0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome to the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast.
0:05I'm Ryan Warmly, joined by Andrew Erickson for our Tuesday show.
0:08We obviously don't do this for week one because it's trays and vines and sells.
0:13It doesn't really make sense ahead of week one.
0:16But ahead of week two, we are kicking things off for the season on Tuesday mornings with Erickson and myself.
0:22We're coming off of a very interesting Monday night football game.
0:26I was telling you, Erickson, before the show that I only watched most of the first half.
0:31I didn't quite finish the second quarter. I had to leave the house, go do some other stuff last night, but I
0:38was following along with the box score. And holy cow, Kenneth Walker.
0:42I mean, he already was like, it was a very interesting game from him before I left.
0:48And then it just got even more exciting for anybody who invested in Walker.
0:52You were also telling me before the show, Erickson, that you saw a stat that there were 28 missed tackles from the Broncos, which is also astonishing.
1:01I want to start off with this game. We're not going to talk about Monday Night Football every single week.
1:08But this, of course, was, I thought, compelling enough that we want to hit on it a little before we get into our buys and sells.
1:16Besides like just holy cow, Kenneth Walker. What can you say about this Monday Night Football game?
1:22I mean, the Chiefs offense. Kenneth Walker, he was the engine.
1:25He was everything that they wanted to do, especially from the jump.
1:29If you just look at the first drive for the Kansas City Chiefs, it was all Ken Walker, all running up the
1:36middle, run out to the outside with Ken Walker, which is very, very different from what we've seen in this past happy
1:43Chiefs offense traditionally under Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes.
1:46So they really are adjusting on the fly. I think considering the personnel that they have, they don't have the greatest array of wide receivers.
1:54Travis Kelsey is an older tight end and Kenneth Walker is the guy they spent big money in free agency.
2:01And yeah, I mean, when you look at who made the biggest moves in the offseason, Ken Walker signing in case he was obviously a massive move.
2:09And they saw the return on their investment immediately with this just absolute monster game.
2:14And then, of course, on the other side, channel waddle does absolutely nothing after the Broncos trade a first run pick to get him on their roster.
2:23So two very different outcomes for these two teams.
2:26My homes had a rushing touchdown, which was really good.
2:29The fact that he didn't look like he was being hindered by his ACL injury, I thought was really encouraging for him rest of season.
2:37Now, the passing game still has work to do with just the general receivers of the Chiefs have.
2:43But back to the Broncos defense, 28 missed tackles, 247 yards after missed tackles.
2:48According to next-gen stats, the most yards allowed by any defense in a game after missed tackles since 2018.
2:54Eight defensive players on the Broncos missed multiple tackles.
2:57And it was comical, dude. Like, Rashi Rice had two targets.
3:00He caught one for a touchdown because the guy just bounced off of Rashi Rice and he just like rumbled into the end zone.
3:08Travis Kelsey had one of his longest catches of his NFL career.
3:1238-year-old Travis Kelsey just rumbling down the field because the Broncos could not tackle anybody.
3:17And, of course, when you are going against a running back like Ken Walker, yeah, that guy is going to definitely make it tough for your defense.
3:25But it wasn't just Ken Walker. I mean, every one of the Chiefs with the ball in their hands was dominating this Broncos defense.
3:33And offensively, Bo Nix, Davis Webb, that marriage did not look like it was in sync whatsoever.
3:39He played rattled. He was under pressure, not making the right reads.
3:43And the fact that Waddle really wasn't involved was very, very strange.
3:46I think only three targets and he also had a drop.
3:50It felt very like there's a lot of jokes on Sunday about with the Chargers.
3:55Oh, the fell for it again award offseason champs.
3:58I feel like I deserve a fell for it again award in terms of trusting Sean Payton for fantasy managers like Jonah Coleman.
4:05He was talking up all summer. Oh, we've seen enough.
4:08We don't even deploy him anymore. So he became a very popular late round sleeper.
4:13You know, Jalen Waddle, obviously somebody that a lot of people here at Fantasy Pros are very excited about and what his
4:20role could be in the new offense. And then, you know, you come through and look at the box score and just in watching the game, you're right.
4:29It feels out of sync. And, you know, they had the early touchdown to Evan Ingram was a nice drive.
4:36But besides that, like you get three points the rest of the game.
4:40And I know the Chiefs defense is sort of revamped this offseason, but like Mansour Delane went out in this game.
4:47So you don't even have that key piece after the early interception.
4:51I know this is an arrowhead. A lot of excitement with Mahomes coming back.
4:55I'll tell you what I kind of felt Erickson and then we'll get into the trades after this is.
5:02I felt like this is sort of the bow, the final bow put on a week one of the bullies are back.
5:09And by that, I mean last season Josh Allen was in the playoffs, but obviously once again didn't make it to the Super Bowl.
5:16Lamar Jackson and the Ravens really like inexplicably down year.
5:20Lots of injuries. Bad season. The Chiefs inexplicably down year.
5:23Mahomes gets hurt at the end of the season.
5:26Tears his ACL. All this stuff. It very much felt to me and it's only week one.
5:31Things could totally change. It felt to me like we are sort of back to where we were, you know, two to
5:38four years ago for that few year stretch of the AFC is.
5:42Owned by some combo of Chiefs, Bills and Ravens as the three juggernauts.
5:46And again, we'll see what happens in January. We'll see what happens in October, right?
5:51It's a long season. But that was kind of how I felt watching these three teams like, oh, we're kind of back
5:58to status quo in the AFC from what we've seen for the earlier part of this decade.
6:04Big dogs are back. That's exactly how I would look at that type of analysis that you just kind of laid out there.
6:11Would say that I think the Ravens drew the easiest of the three opponents in week one and the Saints will probably be a decent layup for them.
6:20But again, what the Ravens did offensively, they looked unstoppable with Zay Flowers when he was healthy and even in the second half.
6:28So I do think that that is a good note to make that.
6:32Yeah, the top dogs are back on top. I would agree with them having the easiest opponent, although I don't think the
6:39Colts are going to prove to be an easy opponent this season.
6:43I think they're just a very average team and the Ravens made them look well below average.
6:49It wasn't like they were facing the Dolphins or the Browns or anybody like that.
6:53There's still other good teams in the AFC. See, I'm not saying that like the conference race is over or anything, but
7:01and to tie a bow on week one, which we saw tied for the highest scoring week one ever in NFL history or since the merger.
7:09What's interesting, though, is the four primetime games all went under their projected totals every single primetime game, which I thought was
7:16kind of a curious nugget when you're looking at it from a betting angle, looking at the projected totals.
7:22All the one o'clock games, four o'clock games, just shootout after shootout.
7:26So just another interesting nugget there from week one as we now get ready for week two.
7:32Let's get ready for week two by diving into our trade strategy show.
7:36We're going to give you some buys, some sells.
7:39We'll emphasize this throughout the episode, but I just want to say it at the top of the episode because I said this a lot last year.
7:47I think it's relatively easy to point out buy lows and sell highs.
7:52Generally speaking, a fantasy, I think what is a trickier skill and sometimes the more valuable skill is being able to point
7:59out the buy highs and the sell lows, the guys that are already going in that direction that you want to lean into.
8:06We're going to have both throughout the episode. We're not just doing one or the other, but I just wanted to mention
8:13that because you often see podcast episodes out there and articles about buy lows and sell highs.
8:19I think the reverse of the buy highs and sell lows are often even more compelling to discuss.
8:25So we're going to have those sprinkled in as well.
8:28The way we're going to kick off this show, Erickson, is with you giving some higher level, macro level trade strategy and
8:35advice that you are thinking about this week. It can be about a type of manager you are looking at when trying to make trades.
8:43It can be a type of player you are trying to identify.
8:47It can just be one player that you are so all in on.
8:51However you want to approach this, what is your 30,000 foot view trade strategy advice for heading into week two?
8:58It takes two to tango worm. You can't do the tango solo as much as I'd love that.
9:04Love to dance. I wouldn't dream of it. I wouldn't dream of it.
9:08The reason I bring that up when it comes to the trade advice column this week is because sometimes we too often
9:15get hyper-focused on, I got to trade this player.
9:18I got to get this player. I got to upgrade at this position, et cetera.
9:23Whereas it's a lot easier if you look at certain managers in your league and help them identify what their team needs.
9:30And the easiest way to do that, because there's no sugarcoating, if you drafted A.J.
9:35Brown, you drafted Zay Flowers, you drafted Lab McConkie, yeah, you need a wide receiver because those guys are all hurt in some capacity.
9:42Obviously, Brown is out for the longest amount of time.
9:46Zay Flowers doesn't look like it's going to be necessarily long-term, but it's a hamstring injury.
9:51And Lab McConkie is dealing with a rib injury.
9:54Also, we have some quarterback injuries as well when it comes to the super flex drafts, like Kyler Murray, who's going to be out.
10:01Sam Darnold, who's going to be out. So I think that targeting these managers with deals to help them fill the voids
10:09of their roster is a really good strategy because they're just more willing to make a deal because they have to overcome
10:16a certain injury, especially if they didn't draft depth behind those certain players.
10:20So I think just easiest thing to do this week, find the A.J.
10:24Brown manager, right? We know he's going to be out for the longest.
10:28He has the biggest injury from week one in terms of being on the short-term injury reserve.
10:34So I would approach that manager and try to make a deal this week.
10:38I think that's fair. And just quickly on the takes two to tango point, it is very easy, I think, in the
10:45age of trade analyzers online, of which I think Fantasy Bros has a wonderful one that I would highly encourage everybody to use as part of my playbook.
10:54But it's not perfect in the sense that you still need the other manager to actually want to do the trade.
11:01You can't just say, oh, look, the value is correct here.
11:05Or, oh, hey, in Dynasty, you should be rebuilding here based on this.
11:09Or, you know, we line up perfectly according to this tool.
11:13Whether it's Fantasy Bros' tool or not, like you do need – I wouldn't even say like negotiation in terms of that as a skill.
11:21Or like being able to – like manipulation sounds too skeevy.
11:24What I'm trying to say is like you need to make sure that you and the other manager are on the same
11:31page about these players' values, these players' timelines, your team needs, everything like that.
11:36And that to me is a real skill just beyond finding value or identifying a good player to go after.
11:42So the takes two to tango point I think is really important because it's very easy to forget that in the age
11:49of trade calculators online or in the age of like everybody's played Madden and can just go, you know, make any trade accepted, anything like that.
11:58I think it's easy to forget that. So I think it's a worthwhile point.
12:02Yeah, I think that the goal of the trade is never just to – I just got to swindle all these people
12:10because that's just going to make people not want to trade with you if you just try to get always the best deal.
12:17You always have to win every single trade. Guys, breaking news here.
12:21Both teams can win the trade. It is very possible and honestly I think should be your goal more often than not
12:28to make both teams making the deal better and making every – the 10 other managers in your league annoyed.
12:34Because two teams just got better because they made a transaction that benefited both parties.
12:39So again, be open to the idea that you don't need to just sell high on a player that's an obvious sell
12:46high or vice versa because you need to get rid of this certain player.
12:51But use trades to make two rosters in your league better.
12:55The goal is not to win the trade. The goal is to make your team better.
13:00And you can do that by taking a quote unquote value hit.
13:04You can do that by finding, you know, whatever it is.
13:07Like I just – the goal is to make your team better.
13:11It's not to be able to post on social media.
13:14Look at this trade I just got away with.
13:17Can you believe how dumb the co-manager is? Like that's – those are two different types of trading and there's one that we prefer here for sure.
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14:28All right, Erickson, we're going to start on the positive side with some players that we are buying right now.
14:35You've got two. I've got one. Who is your player to buy?
14:39I'm going to go with Drake London, wide receiver for the Atlanta Falcons, obviously coming off a terrible game with Cooper Rush
14:46as the Falcons quarterback on the road against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
14:49Predictably, Drake London struggled in this certain contest, but I think it's still not up for debate who the clear-cut alpha number
14:56one wide receiver and pass target in the Falcons roster.
15:00It's Drake London. Still played 98.2% of the snaps, 92.3% route participation.
15:04Did see five targets, so trailing only Bijan Robinson in the Falcons offense.
15:08Still a strong 21% target share. So two catches for 29 yards is obviously terrible, but there's hope at the light of
15:15the tunnel for these Falcons team in the passing game, at least from a Drake London perspective, in my opinion, and that's
15:22in the form of Michael Penix Jr. because the upside case with London was always if Michael Penix Jr.
15:28would take over the starting job and once he was healthy, because if you look over the last two seasons, London was
15:35nearly eclipsing 20 fantasy points per game in full PPR, 92 receiving yards, 11 targets per game with Michael Penix Jr.
15:42as his quarterback over the last two seasons. So the fact that you can now get Drake London cheaper than you drafted
15:49him, and the thesis of the play of Drake London and his upside remains the same, I think that this just makes
15:56a lot of sense, especially if you are one of these teams hurting at wide receiver.
16:02If you have a lad injury, or Zay, or an A.J.
16:05Brown, Drake London is someone that I'm targeting, especially with all my A.J.
16:09Brown rosters that need some wide receiver firepower, that I'm willing to invest even if Michael Penix Jr.
16:15doesn't play in week two or week three. I know eventually he is going to be healthy enough to play, and you're
16:22going to see Drake London flirt with wide receiver one numbers when he's on our center.
16:27We talked earlier this week, actually, with Debro on the tailgate about how Drake, like I view Drake London and Kyle Pitts and everybody not named B.
16:36John Rombasin of the Falcons as very sittable right now.
16:39Like even if you invested a lot of draft capital in these guys, that you should be willing to sit them for
16:46as long as Michael Penix isn't the starting quarterback.
16:49But you made the good point on that show, and again here, that just because we are really nervous about him for
16:57the next one to three weeks, like however long it is that Penix is not the quarterback, that's not the whole season.
17:04And there will be a bounce back that we expect once Penix is healthy on the field again, and we've seen that
17:11in the past, that those two can have a strong connection for fantasy managers.
17:15Let me throw a one-for-one at you, because they're back-to-back in the consensus rest-of-season rankings on fantasypros.com right now.
17:21Zay Flowers or Drake London? Who would you rather have rest-of-season?
17:25Flowers dealing with the hamstring injury, London dealing with the quarterback uncertainty.
17:29Both maybe won't be dealing with those respective issues as of a couple of weeks from now.
17:34It remains to be seen on both. But they are 10th and 11th in rest-of-season rankings.
17:40Obviously there was a bigger gap during draft season.
17:42As of right now, who do you like better?
17:45I'll take the bird in hand with Zay Flowers if that even makes sense.
17:50Well, when you said bird in hand, does he mean the Ravens or the Falcons?
17:55That's why I did it, because I knew I was going to stump you with that, because they're both bird teams.
18:02But Zay Flowers is my guy all draft season.
18:04I can't jump off the Flowers bandwagon, because he's got a little tightness in his hamstring.
18:10Obviously, it concerns me, but I... Dude, how many yards would Zay Flowers have gone for if he didn't get hurt in the first half of that game?
18:19I mean, he was on pace for over 300.
18:22That wouldn't have held in all likelihood, but... Probably, but we can dream, can't we?
18:26200 yards maybe would have been in the range of outcomes.
18:30So, the fact that London still may have some lower end production with the quarterback issues in Atlanta until we see Michael Panix Jr.
18:38versus Zay Flowers maybe missing some time. I'm more confident right now that Zay Flowers attached to Lamar Jackson is potentially supernova type of play.
18:46So, I'm willing to wait on Zay Flowers. So, I will take Zay Flowers in that particular situation.
18:52But I don't think you need to pay a cost of potentially like a Zay Flowers to get someone like Drake on,
18:59because the sentiment around this team is just so bad.
19:02The Falcons, oh my God, they're so bad. The quarterback is so bad.
19:06Everything is so bad. When Michael Panix Jr. can actually really be a big lifter to this offense.
19:12And two, just generally speaking, doing this trade show with you over the years, Worm, I've noticed that any time that we
19:19get a wide receiver, an elite wide receiver, quarterback gets hurt.
19:23I think the process always says just go buy that receiver.
19:26Because it seems like more often than not, the volume triumphs and comes through now.
19:31This isn't 100% hit rate. Justin Jefferson obviously is the bear case from last year.
19:36But remember last year with Jamar Chase? Dude, Joe Burrow went down.
19:40I was on the sign of, I want to trade Jamar Chase.
19:44I want to get out of this business. And that was wrong because Jamar Chase just ended up seeing insane amount of
19:51volume from Joe Flacco as the quarterback. So, I think there's going to be a way where Drake London's going to be fine.
19:58He's going to get a ton of volume as the clear-cut number one in this offense.
20:03And I think that when in doubt, when an elite receiver loses his starting quarterback, you just buy low.
20:10And I think that works out more often than not.
20:13I want to throw a running back at you as sort of a head-to-head.
20:17Because obviously, receiver is more just about the rankings.
20:20I think a running back for a receiver is a more common type of a trade.
20:25So, I'm looking here. If you look strictly at RB11 versus wide receiver 11, that would be like Devon Achan.
20:32Straight up for Drake London. If you look a little bit lower, if that feels like a lot for you, a guy
20:39like Javante Williams, Breeze Hall, DeAndre Swift, Kyron Williams, Jeremiah Love, that might start to be getting too low to get it
20:46done, just depending on if the manager of Drake London is thinking the same way you are or not.
20:52Do any of those names stick out to you as a fair deal for both sides?
20:58Did you mention Achan? Achan is the first. Achan's RB11 and Drake London's wide receiver 11.
21:03So, that would be sort of like lining up those two things.
21:07Travis Achan? Oh, no. I'm sorry. Devon Achan is RB11.
21:10Achan is RB18. He's the next guy after Jeremiah Love.
21:13Okay, I think that's probably more of the department I'd be looking to ship off.
21:18Because running backs, more scarce of a position. So, you definitely want to make sure you're getting a lot back.
21:24I guess you can probably trade a tier down in running back to get a receiver like a Drake London, especially if
21:31you're considering buying low on this particular player. So, I think that Travis Achan would probably be, that'd be more of the
21:39range I'd be looking to deal for London. And, again, you could also just wait another week.
21:44You get another Cooper Rush start. The price is going to keep going down on somebody like Drake London, even though you
21:51should be more optimistic because the more weeks they go by, It's a week closer to Penix.
21:57The sooner, yes, the sooner that we get. So, it is trying to find the perfect time to strike here with London
22:04because Penix is going to be coming back sooner rather than later.
22:08Yeah. Yeah. I'll go to my player to buy here.
22:11It's another guy who was going kind of in that round two range during drafts.
22:16It's O'Marrion Hampton. And this is like, I don't actually know that I have my finger quite on the pulse of what
22:23the fantasy community at large is thinking about Hampton specifically.
22:26Obviously, everybody is very disappointed with week one from the Chargers.
22:30It knocked a lot of people out of their survivor pools.
22:33And it just looked really bad. Like, Herbert did not look good.
22:37The marriage between him and Mike McDaniel didn't look good.
22:40The offensive line didn't look good. The offense really took a step back once Ladd McConkie was out of the game.
22:47And I just kind of want to plant my flag on, man, maybe I'm going to go down with the ship.
22:54I don't want to be out on this business yet.
22:57I want to still be investing in the McDaniel, Herbert, Harbaugh, you know, triumvirate here and trusting that we spent all summer thinking about this.
23:05And some people like Debro, for example, on some of our shows this summer was pushing back a little on, hey, we're
23:12maybe out over our skis a bit on this Chargers offense.
23:16And his big point has been that he always felt like Mike McDaniel was maybe more of a Tyree Kill merchant than
23:23we have been willing to admit in the past.
23:26I'm not ruling out that possibility. But I spent all summer really excited about this team.
23:31I'm not getting off of that from one bad game, especially in that bad game where their wide receiver one got hurt
23:38halfway through and they struggled to adjust. And I think Hampton is the guy that's representative of that for me, because if
23:45you look at his performance in the game, like he did get the touchdown.
23:50But other than that, it wasn't so good. I mean, 43 yards.
23:54It was like what? Three and a half yards per attempt.
23:57I think, yeah, 12, 12 carries 43 yards. So 3.6 yards per attempt.
24:02Zero targets. I mean, this was the first time that any fumbled, any fumbled.
24:06And this was also the first time that Herbert has not thrown to a running back in a game.
24:12Like all this stuff, I just felt like this was really weird.
24:16And I think it's a little bit of lazy is not the right word.
24:21It's a little too easy to just say, well, hey, Patriots lost to the Raiders last year in week one.
24:27Like I know weird stuff happens in week one.
24:30It's not always as straightforward as a Super Bowl representative loses to the team with the number one overall pick, right?
24:37Like I'm not, I think it's too easy to just point to that and say, well, weird stuff happens week one.
24:44We'll just throw our hands up and it doesn't matter.
24:47This could matter. But to me, this matters more in the sense of like, I don't think the Chargers defense is going
24:54to be nearly as good as it was last year.
24:57And I am a little worried about the offensive line.
25:00This is not, I want to get out of the business of these Chargers that we were so excited to invest in this summer.
25:08So Hampton to me is the one that's most representative of it because he had a bad game in every respect other than the touchdown.
25:16I think this could apply to a guy like Herbert if you have a need at quarterback, you know, or wherever else
25:23you want to look with this team. But again, for me, Hampton, I would still pay the same price as I would
25:31have a week ago to go acquire him. He's already 12 in the rest of season consensus rankings.
25:36That's dropped three spots since the games on Sunday.
25:39If you look at consensus, I'm very willing to still pay that like mid-second round value, whatever that looks like in your
25:46eyes to go get him if I need a running back.
25:50I'd rather be overly optimistic about this Chargers offense still as opposed to under optimistic about this.
25:55I don't want to be overly pessimistic about it.
25:58And if, again, if that means I go down with the ship, I'm okay with that.
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28:07Next two weeks for the Chargers are the Raiders and the Bills.
28:10So, prime opportunities for someone like O'Meara and Hampton to run wild.
28:14So, that's kind of the angle I was always thinking in the back of my mind when it came to O'Meara and
28:21Hampton, because missed half of his rookie season, a lot of projection with what his role would be, would there be another running back involved?
28:29Keith Mitchell did get a little bit of run.
28:32The zero targets was probably the biggest concern. In a game where they're trailing, and this quarterback who's been known for throwing
28:40the ball to running backs, an offensive play caller who's been known to dial up targets for running backs, zero targets.
28:46Keith Mitchell actually technically had one target, but it was wiped away due to a penalty.
28:51So, that was just really, really weird. And maybe that's really where it's, okay, that's something that we can't take away too
28:59harshly from week one, because that's not going to happen again.
29:02Especially the fact that Ladd didn't even play fully in the second half, and they still had zero running back targets.
29:09That's just very, very bizarre there. Hampton still scored the touchdown, because ultimately that's how Hampton pays off, where you draft him, is touchdowns.
29:17Touchdowns, yeah. Right, that's what he has to do.
29:20He has to score a bunch of touchdowns, and that role doesn't seem like it's going to be threatened, whether it's Keaton Mitchell or Kamadi Vidal.
29:28And he scored in week one, in a bad performance by the Chargers offense, he ended up still scoring and still being
29:35a decent play for you in your lineup. So, the next two weeks, I think that if you have Hampton, maybe that's
29:42another discussion, you revisit it, because after week, or from week four onward, the Chargers schedule gets much tougher, where they have to play brutal defenses.
29:51So, maybe Hampton, we're talking about him entering week four as a sell high, after he scores four touchdowns, in the next two weeks.
29:58But for right now, entering week two, with the sentiment around this Chargers offense being generally poor, I think that this is
30:06a sharp play, because of the price you have to pay to get Hampton.
30:10I think the schedule is an interesting point, too, because, yes, the next two weeks seem very obvious.
30:16You know, there's a lot of talk, just in terms of national, like, not fantasy-specific analysis, but national analysis about the Chargers,
30:23in terms of, like, well, they better get this Vegas game, now that they've lost to Arizona, because after that, it goes
30:30at Buffalo, at Seattle, home for Denver, at Kansas City, at the Rams, home for Houston, at Baltimore.
30:36There's a bye week in there, but besides that, there is no breaks.
30:40Those are the teams that they are facing the next several weeks.
30:44But, the Bills, not that great against, you know, We just saw what they allowed to David Montgomery.
30:50Seattle's very good. Denver just had all these missed tackles, and got run over by Kenneth Walker.
30:55You know, the Rams might not have Miles Garrett in that game.
30:59The Ravens, despite winning by a lot, still gave up a lot of fantasy points to Jonathan Taylor.
31:05So, like, maybe from the running back perspective, even though that is a very difficult stretch of schedules, maybe it ends up
31:12looking a little easier in hindsight than it feels like right now.
31:16So, that's a possibility as well. Again, I'm willing to pay market price on Hampton.
31:21So, if I can buy low on him a little bit, I still think that's an upside swing that could be a league winning trade.
31:29And that's what I'm looking for in week one.
31:32I can adjust if I make a bad trade this early.
31:36I want to make what I think could be a league winning early trade, but based on another manager overreacting to week one.
31:43So, that's the goal here, even though it's not guaranteed.
31:46I think that the targets is going to be a big shift probably in the next two weeks with Hampton and Mitchell,
31:53especially if Ladd is not a hundred percent or if he misses time.
31:58It seemed like in week one, so much of the game plan was like, we're just going to use Ladd as our
32:05wide receiver one and just have him rip up the defense.
32:08Because that's what it looked like. To start the game, it was, oh man, Ladd's going to go for 200 yards in
32:15this game and just destroy the middle of this Cardinals defense.
32:19And they didn't really do a lot of game planning for using the running backs in the passing game.
32:25And then they didn't really have any answers. So, I would project that Mike McDaniel is going to scheme up more of
32:32these running back targets, especially in week twos and week three against some of these defenses.
32:37So, yeah. Give me another player to buy, Erickson.
32:40Sticking to running backs here, I'm going to go with Bashal Tootin, who now gets to draw a really juicy matchup.
32:47Maybe it didn't look like that before last night, Monday Night Football, but this Denver Broncos defense, is this Buns against the running back position?
32:55Potentially, off a short week, they're going to be licking their wombs, playing the Jacksonville Jaguars, who last year went to Denver,
33:02because the Broncos have been playing at home, hosting the Jacksonville Jaguars.
33:06They went to Denver and destroyed the Broncos. 34 to 20, Trevor Lawrence diced up that Broncos secondary.
33:12So, I think with Bashal Tootin, who I was impressed probably isn't the right word, but I think that, relatively speaking, week
33:19one was a win for him in the battle between Tootin and Chris Rodriguez, who's going to emerge as the Jaguars RB1.
33:26Relatively speaking, I think it was a win for him.
33:29Now, the one part that I didn't like was, Chris Rodriguez ended up getting the one goal line, carry one red zone
33:37touch, out of this backfield for Jacksonville, but they were just so efficient.
33:41They didn't really spend a lot of time in the red zone, and a lot of those red zone drives ended with
33:48Trevor Lawrence touchdowns to a bunch of different receivers.
33:51So, it seems like Jacksonville might not have one particular player that scores the majority of their touchdowns.
33:57It'll probably kind of be spread out between all the depth they have, but everything else, Tootin checked the boxes off of.
34:04He was the snap leader. He was the carry leader.
34:07He had 15 carries. He played 48% of the snaps.
34:10He had one target, but he actually had another target that was removed by a penalty.
34:15So, 17 total opportunities for a second year running back playing on a high powered offense.
34:2188 yards from scrimmage. If he had just 12 more yards, right?
34:24We'd be talking Bayshel Tootin, 100 yards from scrimmage in his first game, and I feel like that would be a really
34:32high selling point for a player like Tootin. When you look at Chris Rodriguez, he played 40% of the snaps, but six carries for 23 yards.
34:40Woof. Nothing really special there besides the red zone touch.
34:43And of course, zero targets because Chris Rodriguez doesn't ever get targets.
34:47So, Tootin, 4.3 yards after contact per attempt. He forced nine missed tackles.
34:51So, the Denver Broncos better saddle up because they're going to be facing another running back that is really good at forcing missed tackles.
34:59So, I think Bayshel Tootin right now, after not really popping in a big way, even though the Jaguars offense played well,
35:06I think this is a good opportunity to buy a starting running back on a high powered offense.
35:12That's right. Just quickly on the target point, like Tootin only had the one target.
35:17Abdullah had one. That was it, as far as running backs go.
35:21So, like I know Chris- No, he had two.
35:24No, he had another one that was, it was a penalty.
35:27Oh, okay. I was looking for box three. I forgot the penalty one.
35:31Okay. Yeah. So, a little bit more then. So, not a ton of throwing to the running backs though.
35:38So, so it's not like Tootin was getting that where Rodriguez wasn't, but yeah, that's a fair, fair point.
35:44I was curious when you put this into the show sheet, if you were going to tout him as a buy low
35:51or a buy high, because I came away from this game very encouraged by the usage, even though the ending stat line
35:58wasn't some huge fantasy day for Tootin. I was like, oh, 15 carries.
36:02Like, I was really worried about Chris Rodriguez. Not worried.
36:05I was excited about him as a late round flyer, right?
36:09Like I thought, you know, the connection with Liam Cohen and what we might see the usage be.
36:15Now, the part of the usage that I was most excited about for Rodriguez was goal line carry.
36:21So maybe that will still pan out in the future in that regard and be a frustration for the Tootin manager.
36:27But 15 carries out of only 25 carries for the running backs total in this game.
36:33Like that's 60%. He had over half of the carries for anybody in this game.
36:37I thought this was really encouraging from Basial Tootin.
36:40And I didn't invest in him a ton. He just felt risky at a spot in drafts where I was more interested in receivers.
36:48If I took that risk or if anybody listening took that risk, I would feel pretty good about where he's at.
36:55And if you think that anybody is looking at his game and saying, oh, we're more nervous than we are encouraged, then I totally agree.
37:03I would be going to look and buy. Like, I don't know that I want to pay up and like use the phrase buy a high.
37:11I guess, I guess it's maybe like a buy medium if that makes sense.
37:16Like, cause it's not. I think, I think that's what makes it a deal that you can get done because it's not
37:23an obvious buy high or buy low type of scenario.
37:26It's just, hey, I wanted to kind of see Basial Tootin in week one, see how this backfield shakes out.
37:33Obviously he didn't explode for three touchdowns like half the other running backs did in week one.
37:38So that works in his favor that he's not being the most talked about running back.
37:43I think that's kind of the reason why, where I was probably underselling his performance cause you were saying, yeah, I was
37:50like more impressed with Basial Tootin, but I guess relative to every other running back this week, that just like absolutely went nuclear.
37:58Basial Tootin's 88 scoreless yards as playing under 50% of the snaps doesn't really pop off the page as much, but maybe
38:05that's why he can be acquired, especially after what we saw from Denver last night where their defense couldn't stop anybody.
38:12Now their defense obviously is not going to play historically bad every single week, but it is an opportunity where it looked like a bad matchup on paper.
38:21Maybe not so much hitting into week two. Rest of season, would you rather have Basial Tootin or Cam Skadaboo?
38:27Hmm. I think I'm going with Cam Skadaboo. What about Tootin or Price?
38:32I'm going with Basial Tootin there because the J.J.
38:34and Price thing is, it just seems like it's going to be Ken Walker 2.0 all over again where it's just going to be so, so annoying.
38:43And the Zach Charbonnet thing concerns me because Zach Charbonnet's allegiance with the Seattle Seahawks is completely different in my opinion than
38:50Chris Rodriguez's allegiance in the Jacksonville Jaguars room where we've already seen right now.
38:55I mean, I would be interested to see the stark difference between what Tootin got in week one versus Rodriguez comparing that
39:02to Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet all of last season because if I look at just the touch distribution and opportunity distribution,
39:09Basial Tootin probably already had one of the highest gaps that we really never saw from Ken Walker at all last year in Seattle.
39:17So that's my concern with Price. Again, not to say Price didn't look good.
39:21I thought that he looked really, really good and he should get more opportunities but we've seen the Seattle coaching staff.
39:28I know it's a different odds of coordinator but with Mike McDonald they like to feature a bunch of guys and they
39:35love, love, love Zach Charbonnet so that does concern me about Price rest of the season versus Tootin.
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39:59All right, Erickson, let's get into the players to sell.
40:02Who do you have for us? Travis Achan talked about him earlier as a piece to move to potentially acquire someone like Drake London.
40:10I was really high on Achan heading into week one thinking, okay, he's got the Detroit Lions, they got a banged up
40:17defense, he should smash here in a game with a really high total.
40:22There's no Alvin Kamara so he should see all of the backfield touches.
40:26I was very, very discouraged. What's the word? Uncouraged?
40:29Discouraged. Not happy with... You had it right the first time.
40:32Uncouraged by Travis Achan's workload in this particular matchup.
40:35Now, the targets in the catches are what really pops off here.
40:39So, seven catches on nine official, 11 unofficial targets when you talk about two that were erased by penalties.
40:4519% target share. That was second among all the Saints pass catchers behind only Chris Olave.
40:50So, really heavily involved as a pass catcher which is awesome to see but the fact that they took him out at
40:57the goal line in the red zone is what concerns me the most.
41:02Kendrick Miller is the one that ended up scoring the touchdown for the Saints out of their backfield because they just didn't use Achan in that role.
41:10And this is something that has been one of Achan's weaknesses over the last two seasons.
41:16He has not been a good red zone running back.
41:19He has not been effective at the red zone and the fact that the Saints have already shown their cards shown their
41:26hand here with week one of not taking him and not considering him as their featured goal line back concerns me about his season long outlook.
41:34And, he got his fantasy points through receiving in this particular game.
41:38Does that stay steady when Alvin Kamara comes back?
41:41When you had Jordan Tyson now a bigger part of this passing attack.
41:45So, that's where I get concerned about Achan and his rest of season rank in terms of do I really want to rely on him?
41:53Again, we talked about all the dead zone running backs that hit.
41:57Achan to me did not feel like one of those guys that actually ended up hitting in week one.
42:03And, I felt like before week one played out he had the perfect run.
42:08He had the red carpet with no Kamara in the ball from the offense in a really good matchup.
42:14So, that's what concerns me. And the fact too they used C.J.
42:18Donaldson in short yardage situations a undrafted rookie free agent running back which I thought was very, very bizarre.
42:24So, Achan for me stocked down and someone that I would be looking to potentially shop.
42:29Do you feel like you mentioned the other dead zone running backs do you feel like the success that those guys had
42:36is maybe by comparison making you feel a little lower on Achan?
42:40Like you look at the names if you look at like from the real time ADP the last update we had right
42:47before drafts Achan was in the same range as Brees Hall he was going ahead of DeAndre Swift Cam Scadaboo like these
42:55are guys who you know David Montgomery about a round later these are guys who had huge weak ones in some cases
43:02or at the very least very good weak ones for all those guys Bucky Irving in that range as well do you
43:09feel like it's like just relative to those guys you feel worse about Achan or even in a vacuum are you still
43:16feeling like I want to get out of the Achan business?
43:19Kind of both it doesn't make me feel better about Achan knowing that there were running backs two or three picks behind
43:27him that all did better in week one and also project to be better for the rest of the season it just
43:34seemed like Achan really had a great opportunity from the jump to take this RB1 role and explode especially given the matchup
43:41against the Detroit Lions but now you're going on the road here you can only get so far just catching a bunch
43:48of check down passes like I love that for PPR purposes but the other thing to point out too about Achan in
43:55this particular game so his best carry of the game of 18 yards came on a draw play in the fourth quarter
44:02with less than 30 seconds remaining in the game so you look at the box score and I think that he's over
44:09five yards per carry so you're thinking oh man like Achan had a great game like he was effective as a rusher
44:16caught a bunch of passes didn't find the end zone but okay sometimes you guys there are running backs that don't have
44:24these massive red zone roles which I think is going to be a problem with Achan and his upside but if you
44:31remove that carry in kind of a Lions were kind of playing prevent defense look he would finish the game with eight
44:38carries for 28 yards 3.5 yards per carry which is really really uninspiring so yeah just was not again I was really
44:45high on Achan as one of these running backs you could get in the dead zone that could kind of overcome it
44:52but after week one I'm ready to say nope that's not the guy that I wanted there were other running backs I
44:59wish I had taken instead or I'm glad that I waited to take on you know John Dre Swift around later Javante
45:06Williams a couple picks before so I think that the fact that he's not coming off like a terrible game like he
45:13still you know caught a whole bunch of passes the Saints offense scored a bunch of points because Detroit Lions maybe you
45:20can still use that as a reason to trade him it's funny because I mentioned the running backs that were near him
45:28in ADP by the end of draft season well but if but if you look at the non running backs who were
45:35around him the two guys on either side of him in the overall ADP were T Higgins Jalen Waddell ahead of him
45:42and then Rishi Rice and Colston Loveland behind so maybe he wasn't such a bad pick if you were not going running
45:49back or if you really wanted to go running back in that range because there were some other options that were not
45:56so great at other positions my player to sell is Carnell Tate and this is not about the player I still am
46:03a firm believer in Tate's talent deserving top 10 pick like I think Carnell Tate is a very I don't know if
46:10he's ever going to be a lead but I think he's a very good NFL receiver when he's at his best when
46:17he gets there this is totally reflective of the offense and we have talked a lot about this offense already with you
46:25and Debro so I would encourage everybody to check out the tailgate this week with our week one reactions if you want
46:32to hear more about that I just think like this is a panic fire sale like I do not want to be
46:39in the Tennessee Titans business this season Cam Ward looked really discouraging to me in that game the whole offense did they
46:46didn't have much of a running game and this is against a Jets team that dude like six months ago we were
46:53all making jokes like is there any coach more pre-fired than Aaron Glenn like I'm not even saying that like I'm suddenly
47:00a believer in the Jets here but this was not some juggernaut team that the Titans were having to deal with in
47:07week one and they got the doors blown off them and the offense didn't look good at all Carnell Tate led the
47:14team well tied for leading the team in targets with six he was tied with Wondell Robinson he had four catches for
47:2138 yards obviously no touchdown I don't really know how it gets better unless Cam Ward just becomes a different quarterback and
47:29this offense becomes a different offense going forward and I would rather somebody else bet on that and I get something back
47:36for Tate while there's still optimism as opposed to going down with that ship right there are some ships I'm willing to
47:43go down with this is not one of them and one of the reasons that I highlighted it because I think everybody
47:50sitting here really nervous about the Titans at least the people I've talked to the reason I wanted to actually bring him
47:57up on the show and really emphasize this is as a general rule it is so smart to invest in slow starting
48:04highly drafted rookie receivers that is a great business model to be in in fantasy you know I keep using the word
48:11business but that's a great strategy generally speaking is to these guys who are drafted really I still think in the long
48:18term I would rather have Cardinal what are you going to trade him for coming off a three catch game for 34
48:26yards I just don't think I like having him on my bench as a bench wide receiver because of the talent that
48:33you just talked about he's a top five overall pick in the NFL draft and I mean Robert saw was talking about
48:40how he was impressed by what Tate did versus what did in the preseason he sees a player that's continuing to get
48:47better and get better so I leader again he had 100 yards and a touchdown as the second running back in this
48:54offense again if Swift ever goes down that's going to look amazing for him those are the really big role if circumstances
49:01change that would be the upside swing I would take with him let's go to your last player to sell to Hubbard
49:08running back for the Carolina Panthers I game and considering where you drafted Chuba Hubbard his ADP totally tanked because of the
49:15Jonathan Brooks hype and I was definitely one of those people driving the Jonathan Brooks hype so it did not please me
49:22to see this type of outcome in week one but I'm not ready to write off Jonathan Brooks says oh well it's
49:30over he lost he's not going to be the RB one and maybe I'm just yelling I'm old when we get to
49:37the season week four week five week six I think Brooks is going to continue to eat into Chuba Hubbard's work share
49:44I don't think that this type of split is going to be this split we're going to see every single week from
49:51the Carolina Panthers especially when they're giving up 59 points on defense again kind of weird game script you're playing in a
49:58shootout so I think the fact that Hubbard only had 10 carries in this game Jonathan Brooks had four carries and Jonathan
50:05Brooks also made a really explosive play downfield on a wheel route which I think just goes to we disagreed on Tate
50:12we don't disagree on Chuba Hubbard I'm totally with you here just to play devil's advocate advocate though is there any part
50:19of you that's worried about hey maybe he just is getting back to is more likely to be what he is this
50:27season is that possibility in the back of your mind when you think about trading him away or are you so interested
50:34in Brooks that it he got in this particular game but I think this is the prime Chuba Hubbard sell high spot
50:41for him I think this could be his highest snap share of the year the red zone usage obviously that works in
50:48his I know I take your point no no that is true fair rebuttal but it was considering Brooks was coming off
50:55of his injury and not being 100% potentially for this type of matchup so I still believe in Jonathan Brooks the talent
51:02here and I still want him as I could have put him as a buy but I already had two I feel
51:09like some managers would do that but others maybe wouldn't just based on the rankings a guy who's ranked lower than Chuba
51:16Hubbard in the rest of season rankings is Kyle Minung guy who I mentioned earlier I would love that upside swing on
51:23Minung you and I I again we love Kyle Minung guy I I'm not saying he's getting 100 yards in a touchdown
51:31every week as the back up running back but that's an upside swing compared to Hubbard that I would like to take
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52:20ends for the segment it's Colson Loveland I think that this is the most obvious by the fact that the bears scored
52:2859 points and none of the pass catchers that we the most routes on the team he still had a red zone
52:35target he had three targets when you include plays negative by penalties he plays on the Chicago Bears and now you can
52:42acquire him because he just bombed in the first game of the season so I trade away to acquire Colson I know
52:49it's hard with tight ends usually to make that comparison because it just depends on if the manager needs a tight end
52:56or not and I likely not somebody who drafted a backup tight end because they took one of the top three guys
53:03so it might be harder to make that deal work but just give some names that highlight the value you're willing to
53:10give up to get him I think I would probably try to move a wide receiver for him maybe one of my
53:17bench wide receivers maybe if I had drafted for example I had Christian Watson I had Parker Washington I have all of
53:24these receivers that I was taking shots on in the breakout rounds and maybe one substantially after their big games in Loveland
53:32I don't know if he moved down but he may have moved down just as a other players moving ahead of him
53:39because he didn't do anything in like are going to be apprehensive about the injury history as well he looked so good
53:46though for the diners and like imagine if they needed to throw more to keep if the Rams offense had shown up
53:53like I wonder what kind of day he would have had so maybe I mean if you find the right manager it's
54:00worth asking certainly I mean it certainly is fair based either him I mean I think Washington would probably work Christian Watson
54:07is well ahead actually he jumped up a lot he's about 10 spots higher than Loveland now in the consensus so those
54:14those guys would all work to get a guy what was going in roughly the I know I talked about Drake London
54:21as a buy but the Falcons I don't think they're going to necessarily produce multiple pass catchers that we're happy about even
54:29if they do get Michael Pennix Jr. under center two reasons why I was lower on Kyle Pitts versus consensus during not
54:36as surprised that Kyle Pitts was not involved whatsoever in the passing game with just two targets despite running a route on
54:4380% of the dropbacks he only played 63% of the snaps as well that ranked 32nd among all tight ends in week
54:50one so he was out there running routes but he was not drawing any type of volume use more as a decoy
54:57so that concerns me about with Drake London healthy in the lineup because this is not anything new he has been far
55:04casted out in terms of the number two receiver on this offense when Drake London has been healthy in but to then
55:11also bet on that and Kyle Pitts I think is not going to work so I'm willing to kind of cut ties
55:18with Kyle Pitts who was kind are you thinking you can try to get anything of value from anybody who's like oh
55:25he was tied into last year and maybe it's worth the swing I think that cutting him in shallower leagues is not
55:33out of the question where you got to make a move at tight end you got to add somebody out there on
55:40waivers I mean you want Pitts or likely likely you want Pitts or Dalton Kinkade like like all these redrafted today Kyle
55:47Pitts would be a late round tight end which is about four spots lower than it was during draft season and when
55:54you're talking about tight end 11 12 13 14 some of those guys don't get drafted so I are you when you're
56:01out with Kyle and you're also considering how involved B.
56:04John Robinson is in this passing game which I don't think is going to change maybe changes a little bit with Penix
56:11under center obviously Penix is an upgrade for all the pass catchers including Cooper Rush but I'm just not so sure that
56:19I want to wait for this to happen I'm curious if Stefanski will kind of push Penix to throw to his tight
56:26ends more because Stefanski has liked throwing to tight ends in the past so I'm open to that possibility but so I
56:33don't think I would want to drop Kyle Pitts I would like to at least keep him on my bench but I
56:40think trading him away is smart if you can get something back of value I just don't want to get nothing of
56:47value because that's in the back of my mind is a possibility but um who is right behind him in rest season
56:54rankings for tight ends it's Isaiah likely yeah so I mean like it goes it goes pit to tight end 11 so
57:01Goddard has jumped up to tight end 10 Kincaid has jumped up to tight end 8 Pitts is at tight end 11
57:08and that goes likely Kelsey Juwan Johnson Mark Andrews Brenton Strange are the next five yeah because so he would basically be
57:15at the top of would you rather have Pitts or Mark Andrews I would rather have Kyle Pitts I think that I
57:23think the for the pressing point for me would be Kyle Pitts or Juwan Johnson that's I would I think I would
57:30rather have Pitts but that's that's very close in my opinion of but I think that's what I expect to happen I
57:37think that's the conversation though I think that's the tier that he should be about actually I'd rather have Juwan Johnson I
57:44mean it's it is still close but I do think I have a decision I would rather have Juwan Johnson I know
57:51Fitz is just keeling over right now because we're talking about Pitts being inferior to Juwan Johnson I mean Pitts versus Kelsey
57:58I think is interesting too just given Kelsey's age Kelsey's a sell too there's no I didn't draft Kelsey anywhere this season
58:05so I can't sell him dude yeah no Kelsey would have been my sell too because it's the same thing that happened
58:12last year where he has this monster yards after the catch play where no one tackles him and that's going to be
58:20his highest yardage output potentially of the season so based on these rankings this suggests you could do Pitts for likely if
58:27you can do that go sprint and do that I I'm not saying I believe that it's doable but um I would
58:34try uh for sure all right let's do some quick uh buy sell or hold so the way this segment is going
58:41to work Erickson we did this last year is I'm going to throw three names out at you uh at a given
58:48position and you have to pick one to buy sell or hold this is not a ranking this is one that you
58:55know just based on where they are in terms of market value and rank current ranking in consensus are you buying selling
59:02or holding you got to put each one in one of the three categories Jeremiah Love Travis H.N.
59:08who we talked about David Montgomery buy sell or hold Travis H.N.
59:12will be my sell Dave Montgomery will be my hold and Jeremiah Love will be my buy by the way I put
59:19these together before you gave me your name so I didn't know you were already going to have Travis H.N.
59:26in a category when I put this together makes it a layup baby on record made it for you so you're buying Jeremiah Love you're selling Travis H.N.
59:35you're holding David Montgomery just quickly on Love are you aggressively buying him I mean he looked good but also like the
59:42card like he didn't actually score that many famous points the Cardinals like are they going to win that many games like
59:49what are you doing with Love I think that he is a a buy I wanted to see him be healthy number
59:56one which he was clearly I'm not surprised that Tyler Augere was heavily involved it was the first week of the season
60:03it was a game where they're playing a positive game script so it makes a lot of sense but I just I
60:10just go back to the fact that guys that are drafted in Jeremiah Love's draft slot they usually end up being fantasy
60:17RB1s when it's all said and done so that's always just been in the back of my mind of even though I
60:24didn't love his draft costs especially when he was hurt he was always someone in the back of my mind that hey
60:32I do want to try to get Jeremiah Love in some of my fantasy leagues because I know that when his production
60:39happens it's going to be back loaded in the second half of the season so I'm cool with how week one played
60:46out I think that the fact that Augere was so heavily involved keeps Love's price in check for the most part but
60:53the talent dude was so apparent man like dude the guy was slippery dude like guys were just like falling off of
61:00Love he looked explosive so that's why I like him as a buy because I don't think you have to pay a
61:07leg and an arm to get him he's a good good player I agree another running back trio Jadarian Price Quinshawn Judkins
61:14Ramondre Stevenson again Price Judkins and Stevenson by sell hold Judkins I'd want to list as my sell but he already did
61:21nothing and he's probably gonna do nothing again this week against the Buccaneers so I guess if I can sell him again
61:28he was a player I did not draft for whatsoever because of I was afraid of how this offense would look in
61:36the first two weeks of the season it just which is coming to fruition unfortunately so we'll just keep him as a
61:43sell I guess Ramondre is the keep here because you have production locked and loaded till we see that Trayvon Henderson is
61:50healthy I could see Stevenson as the sell too because I don't think that he was particularly great against Seattle Seahawks in
61:57week one so I could see him as a sell based on the fact that he just got a bunch of volume
62:04Price is definitely the one that's hardest to gauge because I did talk about earlier in the show how if he's in
62:11the Ken Walker role that ceiling is potentially capped however he is a player that I think if he does get more
62:18volume in week two and week three and Zach Charbonnet has not come back you could see him continue to accrue volume
62:25I also like his teammate Jeremiah 11 Notre Dame thought Price looked really really good so he would definitely be my hold
62:33for now because I think that he can accrue more value but I'm not so sure I want to sell the farm
62:40to get him with Zach Charbonnet kind of in the back of my mind I think Price is an easy not an
62:47easy choice to sell but I'm saying I think it might be easier to sell him than some of these other guys
62:54because he played in front everybody watched the opener it was the first game of the season and he looked really explosive
63:01when he touched the ball so it might be something where like other fantasy managers in your league if you are looking
63:08to sell price like hey they saw it too and are excited to add that guy to their team and I'm not
63:15so worried about the usage wide receiver trios how about Christian Watson Garrett Wilson Tedaroa McMillan some big names here Christian Watson
63:22Garrett Wilson Tedaroa McMillan so Christian Watson I'm going to hold can't call or make the prediction that he's going to be
63:29a wide receiver one and then jump off the bandwagon after he puts up a monster week once and we got to
63:37hold him even though I can see everyone in the comments saying dude he always gets hurt you gotta sell you got
63:44it so erickson let me tell you right now before you can tell me what you're doing with the other two names
63:51you're wrong about holding Christian Watson you should be buying high on Christian Watson that's how confident I am in him it
63:58like I'm not going to play scared with injuries right like if he is healthy there is no where I'm saying it
64:05right now if he's healthy there's no world this guy isn't a wide receiver one this season yeah man that's that's what
64:12it's looking like after week one so bye slash hold Christian Watson dude I can't buy him because I got him everywhere
64:19dude he's on all our teams so so I'm going to be a great Christian Watson uh Garrett Wilson though I was
64:26also encouraged with with Geno Smith as his quarterback so I think as more of a low-key type of buy where dude
64:34I can get Garrett Wilson a full PPR for like 80% on the dollar because he's Garrett Wilson he plays on the
64:41Jets dude he was clear-cut target leader for the Jets in week one I get that he didn't have a monster performance
64:48like some of these other receivers some of these breakout receivers but dude he's just gonna be solid steady and ready to
64:55go 150 targets locked the loaded rest of the season I mean if he caught a touchdown we're talking about his day
65:02and he just happened to not in this game but like six catches 79 yards if he throws a touchdown on top
65:09of that we're gonna be really happy a lot of weeks exactly so I think that he's just like if you're getting
65:16you need wide receiver help and you're just looking for a steady pick I think Garrett Wilson kind of fits that perfectly
65:23and that brings me to Tetra Roll McMillan who I was probably the highest on I think of the fantasy pros experts
65:30and gotta give credit to Terra D bro they were pushing back on me about Jalen Coker and I thought it was
65:38more clear that TMAC would be the alpha and Jalen Coker would still be a very strong option again I liked Coker
65:45too but the fact that we saw what happened in week one after what we saw in the playoffs in the second
65:52half of last year where the target share was very very close yeah man I think that we could see a scenario
65:59where they were right Terra and D bro about their bold prediction about him out doing and out targeting Tedderall McMillan this
66:06year Jalen Coker now I don't know Coker has his foot in a boot or something like that he's dealing with something
66:13of an ankle injury seems more precautionary about it yeah so that's the only thing I would be hesitant about but but
66:20maybe that's actually the real opportunity for you to be able to sell TMAC after he did get out produced by Jalen
66:27Coker in week one at times last year in the second half of the season maybe this gives you the window oh
66:35Jalen Coker has an injury TMAC's gonna bounce back I still think that's possible I don't hate TMAC rest of season but
66:42I think in terms of selling of this list he's probably the guy had the least amount of confidence rest of season
66:49just after what we saw from week one one more buy seller hold Devante Adams Terry McLaurin Roma Dunze three guys coming
66:56off of not so great games buy Rome because he plays on the Bears so I think that's pretty easy just just
67:03buy him um Devante I would sell he's a player that I did not like heading into draft season I was concerned
67:10about him didn't see a lot of red zone usage in week one for the last nine just rams so that concerns
67:17me also with his age and then Terry ends up always turning around wide receiver two seasons he just does it so
67:24he had a brutal matchup against the Eagles in week one predictably struggled in that matchup he's playing to Dallas this week
67:31so Terry bounce back spot seems kind of imminent I'm kind of interested in buying low on all three of these guys
67:39to be honest that's obviously not the exercise you have to pick one in each category but like I again I'm again
67:46we talked about this on multiple shows already I'm really trying to not put too much stock in what the Rams offense
67:53looked like in Australia so I if I can get Devante Adams for cheap of somebody who's like hey he's older didn't
68:00get the red zone usage and is worried about the Rams like I'm very interested in doing that also especially with Myles
68:07Garrett hurt like maybe the defense isn't this great incredible defense we expected and now they have to throw more so like
68:14I I'm again buy low I don't want to buy high or you know buy market value but if I can buy
68:21low on Adams I'm interested in that McCorin you're right had really tough matchup I think there's better days ahead for him
68:28and at Doonesa just being a part of the Bears and a player that I just really like as a player so
68:36I'm kind of interested in buying all three of these guys I think yeah uh another name just to mention because we
68:43didn't get the chance to talk to them because they play on Thursday night but uh James Williams that dude's gonna go
68:50off on Thursday night football because he had a game that was bad in week one even though he had a ton
68:57of opportunities dropping passes kind of typical JMO boomer bus but what do we do worm after JMO has a stinker you
69:04just buy right back in because then he just explodes the next week especially against the Buffalo Bills yes Jameson Williams do
69:11not lose faith start him this week buy him dude last year after Jameson Williams had a bad game I traded Darren
69:18Waller to get him on my roster okay people hate James Williams after he has bad games so buy low on JMO
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69:47promise our fine listeners that we would do a mailbag at the end of this episode so let's lightning around we got
69:54just a handful of questions here we will go very speed round through these and then get out of here first question
70:01are any Browns wide receivers or tight ends startable until Watson is no longer quarterback okay Concepcion led the team in targets
70:08last week Boston had some nice plays as well however the confidence level with those two players isn't really super high so
70:15I think that I would just keep them on the bench trust in the talent and trust that the Browns make the
70:22correct decision with what they do at quarterback rest of season Coker or McMillan I'll still say T-Mac rest of season but
70:29it's obviously very very it's much much closer gap is smaller than we thought yes uh same question Loveland or Kincaid Loveland
70:37still Loveland I mean yeah it's gotta be Loveland so um I have Bowers currently on IR and Brenton Strange at tight
70:44end but a tough matchup against the Broncos coming up any suggestions or just full ride Strange in the Jets or excuse
70:51me in the Jets so you said Strange and the other options he has Bowers so he's using Brenton Strange until Bowers
70:58comes back yeah uh I mean he's wondering if he should just ride with Strange until then or any suggestions going up
71:05against the Broncos I think Strange is fine yeah I mean he's probably a little bit more touchdown dependent just because they
71:12like to spread the wealth in that Jaguars offense so he might be disappointed if he doesn't score a touchdown so if
71:19you can find a tight end that maybe will run into a little bit more volume maybe that I feel a little
71:26bit better about that but in half PPR standard I think Strange is still a good I would also wouldn't overthink like
71:33hey this is already my backup tight end like I don't want to make these crazy moves trying to just pack to
71:41work a problem for only one to two more weeks like you know you're getting Bowers back I would just roll with
71:48Strange until then and hope for some touchdown luck are we trading away Jordan Mason will this usage sustain when the quarterback
71:55uh with the quarterback switch up until Kyler Murray is back or is there a grouping of wide receivers to target with
72:02him I cannot recommend you trade anyone before they play the Bears I'm sorry I won't do that I mean like unless
72:09you just unless you can literally just trade them based on the fact that and they don't even have to play the
72:16Bears people just expect them to go off then maybe you can make the move but dude his the stock for all
72:23these players is always going to be higher after they face Chicago are we panicking on Herbert especially if Ladd misses time
72:30I'll tell I'll answer for me I'm not panicking I am I'm panic curious I you know I'm I'm a little nervous
72:38I want to see what happens but I'm not actually panicking not panicking Cardinals defense may be just better than everyone wanted
72:45to give them credit for so that's also something you want to take out of that type of matchup that's not just
72:52about the Chargers vomiting all over themselves also the Cardinals like they get paid to play too right they had a lot
72:59of guys this offseason that got healthier so maybe their defense is more average and not just like bottom of the league
73:06bottom five with Herbert one thing that was encouraging about the usage and how he was deployed in Mike McDaniels offense a
73:13lot of play action stuff which typically leads to high-end results for fantasy quarterbacks so yes would not be concerned about Herbert
73:20I think Herbert among the quarterbacks if I didn't put Loveland Herbert would have been my buy low in terms of fantasy
73:27quarterbacks because I do think that the ceiling is still sky high with him in my Daniel-led offense we already answered this
73:34one but just to read it with Geno at quarterback can Wilson actually be expected to meet expectations this season I think
73:42we both would say yes we like what we saw to Garrett Wilson two more here and then we'll get out of
73:49here is Marshawn Lloyd not startable until the snap share gets consistent yeah I mean Chris Brooks started in week one right
73:56and the offensive line for the Packers is not in good shape right now so clearly they don't have full trust in
74:03Marshawn Lloyd even though he did rip off a couple big runs the snap share is not working in his favor where
74:10he can be trusted last question it says flex slash tight end option and then it gives three names I don't know
74:17if they're saying we need to pick two one for the flex one for tight end or let's just rank these three
74:24quickly um just in case because I'm not entirely sure the question but flex tight end option need to pick Dallas Goddard
74:31Colson Loveland and Ramondre Stevenson what do you all think so why don't we rank those three Goddard Loveland and Stevenson Goddard
74:39seems like a really strong play basically whenever AJ Brown is not on the Eagles so that's not going to happen because
74:46he's on IR and he's on the Patriots so Dallas Goddard I think is a a strong start in Stevenson I think
74:53you got to continue to play as long as Trayvon Henderson is not active however it looks like there is a chance
75:00that he could come back I don't think I could live with myself I didn't play Colson Loveland a week two so
75:07because he's just is going to scream every buy low model that is in existence in fantasy football and betting and all
75:14this stuff because so who's the sit then it would probably be Ramondre honestly unless I guess Dallas Goddard would be the
75:21sit if Trayvon Henderson doesn't play and I would just bank the points in volume with Ramondre playing at home against the
75:28Steelers that's probably the move that I would make especially given up there what they give it to the Bijan last week
75:35also the Eagles are facing the Titans right am I misremembering I think they have the Titans this week which is not
75:43you know like they might be able to just not throw that much and win that game really easily with their defense
75:50so it's a good problem to have between those three guys three good players I think I would sit Goddard out of
75:57them unless Trayvon Henderson's playing and then maybe I would consider sitting always got to have our caveats so that we're never
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