0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome to the FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast.
0:05I'm Ryan Warmly, joined today by Pat Fitzmaurice and by Derrick Brown.
0:08We are answering our Week 3 key questions here on the show, previewing all of the matchups for Week 3.
0:15And, you know, this is kind of crazy that we're already here.
0:18This is really when, like, trends become real patterns and it feels, everything just feels a little bit more real, right?
0:25Like 0-2 is like, man, you're off to a bad start, but you can bounce back.
0:30You get to 0-3 in your fantasy leagues, that's where it starts to feel closer to insurmountable, even if mathematically it's not that case.
0:37Reminder for everybody that all of our weekly consensus rankings and tiers can be found at FantasyPros.com slash rankings.
0:43Full slate to get through. So I say we just jump right in.
0:47Fitz, I will start with you with Game 1 of the early slate.
0:51It's Chargers at Bills, a game that looked really fun prior to the season, looks a little bit more one-sided now.
0:58I think the spread last I checked was a full touchdown, which would have been surprising to hear a couple of weeks ago.
1:05Only two defenses, Fitz, have allowed more points this season through two weeks than Buffalo.
1:10Is this the week that the Chargers offense finally comes through for fantasy managers?
1:14I'm still pretty skeptical. The Chargers are 27th in offensive DVOA, 19th in yards per play, 31st in offensive EPA per play.
1:21It's just been pretty ugly. The middle of the offensive line still looks like it's a big problem.
1:26The Colts defense hasn't been great, but it's not Colts level bad.
1:30It's just that the Bills offense has been so good that it's forcing opposing offenses to really put their foot on the gas and try to keep up.
1:39So not a lot of hope for the Chargers just because of how bleak it's looked so far and because that offensive line still looks like a problem.
1:47I think I'm slightly below consensus on a lot of the Chargers.
1:51And to begin with, the consensus is pretty down on the Chargers.
1:55But I don't know, maybe the Mike McDaniel offense suddenly kicks into gear at some point.
2:00It's possible, but there are some underlying issues here.
2:03Debro, what do you think? Both in terms of the Chargers offense, like getting a couple of games under their belt, maybe
2:09shaking off some of this, like, you know, rust and like learning the new offense in terms of the Bills, maybe not having the strongest defense.
2:17Also in terms of like Fitz was saying, the Bills having such a strong offense that the Chargers might just get a
2:24lot of fantasy points from having to try to throw a ton to keep up.
2:29Do you think there's an opportunity here for the Chargers offense to bounce back a bit for their fantasy managers?
2:35I think your hope for the Chargers offense this week is that they look like the Packers did yesterday and you get a lot of garbage time production.
2:44I don't know what kind of Chargers offense we get, man.
2:47I was skeptical about McDaniel in the offseason. I remain skeptical.
2:51But this is this is the type like this is the week where if you want any kind of glimmer of hope,
2:58you got to hope that you get it this week, man, because if you don't get it this week, they have Seattle.
3:04They have Denver. They have Kansas City. They have Los Angeles.
3:08They have the Houston Texans and the Baltimore Ravens right after this.
3:11So hope is it coming this week, people? It might not be coming at all.
3:16So I don't know. Like I see a path for the Chargers in this, like with the Bills, with how bad their
3:23defense has been in the early going. They've given up the 10th most yards per attempt, fourth highest passing success rate.
3:29It's a good matchup for Ladin McConkie in the slot.
3:33They've given up the six most yards per target.
3:35It's a good matchup for Maury and Hampton. The Bills have given up the 10th highest explosive run rate, six highest missed tackle rate.
3:43And yet I lay all of this out and we will see how hard Mike McDaniel can Mike McDaniel this week.
3:49And I hope we get a good performance out of them because I know a lot of people invested very heavily in them in the offseason.
3:57I put it at a coin flip. And by the way, Worm, thanks for going straight into this game and not making
4:04me talk about the Packers and their Thursday night performance.
4:07Yeah, I kind of brought it up there just to fit Gaslight Fitzy a little bit.
4:12Sorry. But I know he's hurting this morning, too.
4:15You know what? Part of it, I would like to sit here and say that, oh, I'm just that kind of friend
4:22and colleague that I was like trying to think about your feelings.
4:26The truth is, because it was such a long show, I just kind of forgot to jump into it.
4:32Worm was so happy I didn't start the show wearing a Saints jersey that he didn't know what to do with himself.
4:38No, no. I mean, it's a good comparison, I think, for what we could possibly see in this game, right?
4:45Because I am very heavily invested in Jordan Love in my fantasy leagues this season.
4:49And I was very happy to see that they were down by so much so early in that game last night, knowing
4:56that we would get some garbage time scoring from that passing game.
5:00So it did end up panning out for the Packers, fantasy managers, the way that maybe it could for the Chargers.
5:06Just to put a bow on this Chargers game, you know, some of the rankings here, Fitz, you mentioned being lower than
5:13consensus on a lot of these guys. And also that consensus looks a little low.
5:18Gadsden is tight end 15 in consensus. Herbert is QB 13.
5:21Hampton is RB 14. And Ladd is wide receiver 18.
5:24So the kind of top guy at each position for the Chargers is all in that mid-teens range.
5:30Does any of those stand out to you as particularly high or low?
5:34Or do they all seem fair? I guess maybe I'm not below consensus on a lot of those guys.
5:40I'm pretty much right at consensus. I mean, that all sounds fair.
5:44And they could, if this gets to be a shootout, those guys all could outkick those week three ranking spots.
5:50But man, it's just hard to have any confidence in what's going on with this Chargers offense.
5:55The guy that I'm kind of the most worried about in this game, and I'll just bring this up real fast because
6:02the fact that he has only a 3.7% target share.
6:05Hampton. Is Amarian Hampton? Like, could he just be game scripted out of this game?
6:10And then it's just a lot of Ladd and Arande Gadsden and whoever the heck else.
6:15Quentin Johnson has been a ghost so far this year.
6:18But I'm worried about Hampton probably the most out of this trio or four pack of players, you know, if you want
6:25to throw QJ into this because he hasn't had any pass game role.
6:29Like, all of our hopes for McDaniel using him in the pass game and dialing up easy button throws for Justin Herbert just has not been there.
6:37I suppose even if it means going out of order a bit, we should give at least a minute or two on the Thursday night game.
6:45There were some pretty big performances. Obviously, Bijan Robinson, Drake London, both getting 194 yards against Fitz's Packers defense.
6:51Michael Penix returns in this game to start for the Falcons and revives.
6:55Not that he looked amazing, but he revives their, you know, fantasy options outside of Kyle Pitts.
7:00Unsurprisingly, Packers run game unsurprisingly continues to not really do anything.
7:04And even the passing game to just behind this offensive line, it just feel like it was already not playing well, taking on more injuries.
7:11It might nuke this season in a lot of ways fits this offensive line.
7:16Yeah, it's the worst in the league. Uh, it might actually make the 24, 2024, 2025 Houston Texans offensive line look like
7:23the, uh, late 1980s, early 1990s, Washington hogs by comparison.
7:26I mean, this line is so bad. They allowed, I saw 15 quick pressures against the Falcons last night.
7:32That's the second most of any team this year.
7:34First, most Green Bay Packers in week one against the Vikings, 17 quick pressures.
7:39Like it's just Zach Bacoboela was the only average to above average offensive lineman they had.
7:44Now he's out for the season. Everyone else is below average to way below average.
7:48And you've got guards playing tackle centers playing guard.
7:51It's just a mess. They can't handle the inside of the offensive line.
7:55Can't handle power at all, which is going to be a major problem.
7:59So even when, if Josh Jacobs comes back, like, I think we're going to see a lot of, uh, 16 for 49
8:06type rushing games from him where you need a touchdown or he's going to let you down.
8:11It feels to me similar to CJ Stroud and the Texans where you're under pressure so much.
8:17And so emphatically that it starts to affect you even when you're not under pressure.
8:21They're not the same quarterback. Right. But, but we've seen that happen with Stroud and Greg Rosenthal from the NFL Network media,
8:28um, had a good tweet about a half hour ago.
8:31He pointed out that Jordan love was first in EPA per play and seventh in success rate when not pressured last season,
8:38this season, when not under pressure, he's 25th and 27th.
8:41Those metrics respectively watching the game. It feels to me like he feels the pressure even when it's not there because so often it is their fit.
8:49And I know people who have Christian Watson and war Matthew golden on their fantasy teams right now are probably pretty enthusiastic because it's a consolidated passing game.
8:58Uh, and the Packers, since they can't run the ball, they're throwing a lot.
9:02I just worry that, um, Jordan love might not survive like this kind of pressure all season and that they're going to
9:09be Tyrod Taylor starts this week, in which case you're going to feel less good about Christian Watson and Matthew golden.
9:16As of right now, D bro, how do you feel about those two receivers?
9:20And I'll throw Tucker craft in there as well.
9:23He hasn't looked great this season, obviously still working his way back from the injury, but the past catchers in this, in
9:30this receiving game, golden has looked very good at particularly compared to last year, a hundred yards and a touchdown last night, Christian Watson.
9:37Ninety six yards and a touchdown. You obviously were all over him this off season.
9:42Do you think they can still continue to produce, even if it is in these garbage time situations and things like that
9:49moving forward, or are you really nervous just about everybody in the Packers, given how love and this offense has looked?
9:55I'm worried about the entire offense because of the volatility, um, with, I mean, riding the rollercoaster with, with Jordan love and
10:02because of this offensive line and everything fits he laid out.
10:05I think the passing volume, because of how bad their defense is will definitively be there regardless of if Josh Jacobs comes
10:12back or floor wants to go run heavy, whatever passing volume is going to be there just out of necessity, because I think they're going to be trailing.
10:21Like their defense can't stop anything right now. They can't pressure.
10:24Like in fairness, the defense was actually pretty good.
10:27The first two weeks, like they terrible game yesterday, but it wasn't a bad defense the first two weeks.
10:33And I don't think it's like, it's not Colts level bad.
10:37I mean, well, the other thing is they did play Carson Wentz and Chino Smith in the first two weeks too.
10:43So I think that kind of helps with the defense, but their pressure rate was surprising.
10:48I talked about that in the primer leading up to this game.
10:52So like the pass rush is there. They can't, they could not stop B.
10:56John Robinson last night. Serious. Like could not like the only times that the Atlanta Falcons weren't able to run the ball
11:03when they wanted to was when they decided to pass.
11:06So I, I worry about that. Plus all the blown coverages.
11:09It's not like they have amazing corners. Like they have a rookie starting, like the ups and downs of that, but like
11:16back to the pass catchers, I think that there will be passing volume, but again, you're going to have to ride the
11:23rollercoaster of what does that look like on a week to week basis?
11:27Because this offensive line is debilitating. And just talking about it from the hundred foot view of the Packers, like when, you
11:34know, you have a quarterback like Jordan love that is, is pressure sensitive as somebody like Jared golf, look at the, just juxtapose these two front offices.
11:42One invests in the offensive line. And the other one says, I will make do it'll be okay.
11:48And it's not okay. So it capsizes everything you want to do.
11:52Also from an offensive standpoint, because LaFleur, we've talked about this ad nauseum over the last few years, all he's wanted to
11:58do is run the ball, play slow, sit on leads.
12:02Like that's been his go-to over the last few years of just running the ball and playing slow and choking at the clock.
12:09Not only did the quarterback play LaFleur cannot do that now.
12:12So what's he going to do? Like we get, like we get all these stats about the Packers blowing late game leads.
12:19Yeah. That's because LaFleur is not adjusting. Like we're seeing an offense and a head coach scrambling to figure out what the
12:26heck to do in real time because their offensive line is patchwork.
12:29I mean, I could joke it right now about like, I'm just glad Tucker craft didn't play offensive line, but that was
12:36a real thing that got brought up last week.
12:39Very quickly. No like explanation or anything. Just give me a one word answer.
12:43Yes or no. Kyle pits is droppable. Yes or no fits.
12:47Yeah. Penix doesn't really look his way. Debra. All hope is gone.
12:51Same thing. Very quick answer. Drake London rest of season is wide receiver.
12:55What's with Penix back? Fitz. Item ranked wide receiver eight this week.
12:58Sounds about right. Debra. He's wide receiver one. Where you want to put them in wide receiver one is fine.
13:05I mean. Yep. All right. Let's get back to the actual Sunday slate here.
13:09Next game up. Panthers at Browns. Only one offense in the NFL has scored more points than the Panthers so far this season.
13:16But of course that has come against the Bears and the Falcons in their first two games.
13:21Although based on Thursday night maybe Falcons defense a little better than expected.
13:25Sorry again Fitz. On a scale from one to ten.
13:28How legitimate is the Panthers offense moving forward in your opinion?
13:32Debra I'll start with you here. I think it's 6.5.
13:35Like I want to believe in it but I'm not totally sold.
13:39And this is not that I don't fully believe in all the skill players and stuff.
13:44This is me going back to the Bryce Young of it all.
13:47And just as we pull open the hood of like okay.
13:51Is what he is doing sustainable? Like the great metrics of Bryce Young is he's 30 yards per attempt.
13:57He's 10th in passing success rate. He's 8th in hero throw rate.
14:00But here comes the ugly. He also has the second highest deep ball rate.
14:05The second lowest catchable target rate. And the second lowest highly accurate throw rate.
14:09So there's a lot to chew on there where it's high variance throws that he's being asked to sit here and complete a lot.
14:17When you're walking that type of tightrope on a weekly basis it's fraught with peril.
14:21Like it might crash and burn at any point outside of the whole like his size is still a limitation.
14:27How you run the offense because of his size and all that kind of stuff.
14:32So I guess I want to believe but the metrics kind of make me be like okay.
14:37Is this the honeymoon phase before we see Bryce Young kind of crater because he is walking a very thin tightrope here.
14:44What do you think fits? Is this legitimate? Is it sustainable?
14:48Is the answer to that the same or there's two different questions your opinion?
14:52Where are you going long term with this Panthers offense right now?
14:56It's funny numerically D. Bro gave the number 6.5 and I had in my head 6.4.
15:01So I guess we're on the same track. Yeah.
15:03So Bryce is averaging 8.9 yards per pass attempt and his career average is 6.1 yards.
15:08And his passer rating this year 30 more than 30 points above his career passer rating of 82.5.
15:14This year 113.3. I don't think obviously Bryce Young can sustain this level of play.
15:19But I think he's going to be better than the career averages have been.
15:23Maybe he's turned a corner. And I will say like the Panthers offensive line has been really good.
15:29Just looking at some of the data they have over on FTN for offensive lines.
15:33Panthers right now 8th in adjusted sack rates. 9th in adjusted line yards which is a run blocking metric.
15:39First in power success which is percentage of runs on 3rd or 4th down.
15:432 yards or less to go that achieved a 1st down or touchdown.
15:47Also includes runs on 1st and goal or 2nd goal.
15:51In the 2 yard line or closer. Panthers number 1 there.
15:54So that offensive line has been performing really well.
15:57That's going to help Bryce Young and the running game.
16:00Do you feel Fitz like Bryce Young to whatever degree you have belief in him?
16:05Is it more are you thinking in terms of as a franchise quarterback or as a maybe a viable in a super flex league fantasy quarterback starter?
16:13Or is it more not for him but for his ability to make Tedrow McMillan and Jalen Coker and Shuba Hubbard fantasy viable?
16:20Startable and super flex. More about his ability to make those guys viable.
16:24I mean he's got good offensive line. Really good weapons.
16:27Got a couple of willow trees he can throw to in the end zone with Tedrow McMillan and Darren Waller.
16:33And Coker has proven to be really really good.
16:36So like he's definitely being helped by the supporting cast.
16:39But he's unquestionably played better than he had earlier in his career.
16:43Can y'all imagine what this offense would also look like if we had Chris Brazel healthy?
16:48Oh yes dude. So much size with these passbacks.
16:51I know. Bryce Young doesn't have to see over the offensive line because again to your point he's got redwoods running across the street.
16:58That's right. I look up and there he is.
17:01Yeah. Oh man. All right. Let's go to Jets at Lions.
17:04Could be a really fun game here. This one is in Detroit.
17:08Like I said, Brees Hall and Garrett Wilson are two of my favorite buys as talked about on the trade show earlier this week with Erickson.
17:16Really in the whole league right now. Both are ranked inside the top 12 with their positions this week.
17:22So I ask you who has the bigger day against this Lions defense between Brees Hall and Garrett Wilson.
17:28Debra? I think it's Brees Hall. And I'm not saying that Garrett Wilson is going to have a monster day.
17:34I think that the production and the target share market share that A.D.
17:38Mitchell has had could make this where it's not leaning in Mitchell's favor, but he's the downfield threat.
17:44Lions secondary sucks. If they don't, if Geno Smith can be, get some clean pockets in this game, because we know again,
17:51going back to pressure sense of quarterbacks, how sensitive Geno is.
17:54There's more volatility on that side where it's like, dude, Brees Hall is going to get 20 touches.
18:00We saw last week he is game script proof.
18:02The Lions have not been good at stopping the run, like ninth highest rushing success rate allowed third yard, third most yards before contact for attempt allowed.
18:11So I'll just lean on Brees Hall because I know regardless of Geno's play or not, he's getting 20 touches.
18:17If the game script goes sideways, the Lions start racking up the points and stuff like that, then he's going to get a crap ton of targets.
18:25Brees Hall RB 11 in ECR for the week.
18:28Garrett Wilson wide receiver nine. And that's with Christian Watson ahead of him, who's already played.
18:33So really wide receiver eight amongst the guys who haven't played fits.
18:37Who of those two do you like better this week?
18:40I like both. And as Debro pointed out, this is not a bad run game matchup for Brees Hall.
18:46I am going to go Wilson here. And yeah, I know Ed and I Mitchell has been a big factor.
18:52He is out targeted Garrett Wilson 15 to 14 this season.
18:56And right now, A.D. Mitchell leads all NFL wide receivers in air yard share at 59.4%.
19:01But Garrett Wilson has a perfectly fine air yard share of 37.5%.
19:04Wilson and Mitchell pretty much account for all of Geno Smith's air yards.
19:08And the Lions defense is just so bad. I mean, Tyler Shuck had 410 passing yards and three TDs against Detroit in week one.
19:16Week two, Josh Allen, 327 yards and four touchdowns.
19:19And without Brian Branch and Kirby Joseph, the Lions defense, the secondary is just awful.
19:23And Avante Maddox now after the season. And Avante Maddox.
19:26That's right. Yeah. By the way, earlier this morning, I don't know if you saw, there's quote, some concern.
19:32A.D. Mitchell is limited in practice today. He caught his finger on a jersey yesterday.
19:37I'm looking at Twitter right now. This is from the ESPN's Jets reporter.
19:41He used the phrase, quote, some concern. And Aaron Glenn said that Mitchell would be limited in practice today.
19:47If there's any way that he misses this game, then also juxtaposed with the Mason Taylor news, I will sneak in some
19:54Kenyan Sadiq love here because he would become like the full time guy or at least I think he's going to run
20:00a higher route share than Jeremy Ruckert. And if A.D.
20:04Mitchell is limited or out of this game, then I think we're going to like Sadiq.
20:09I think we'll probably be competing with Brees Hall, probably for like second and third option in the passing attack.
20:15Isaiah Williams might even be playable. Yeah. By the way, just quickly, do you guys agree with what I was saying about
20:22on the trade show this week that these are two very good guys to buy right now?
20:27Like I don't even want to use it from my low, just guys to buy right now at cost.
20:33I like I like investing in it, especially for week three and week four going against Detroit and Chicago.
20:39The whole schedule really. And they get the Browns after that.
20:42Pretty good. But yes, the next two weeks, especially.
20:45Hold on, but then start there, boys. I'm walking the schedule.
20:48Patriots. Then they get the Dolphins and the Raiders after that.
20:52This is what we talked about on Tuesday. Yeah, it's like remarkable.
20:55And then even like middle of the season, the Chargers defense hasn't looked good.
21:00Buffalo's on there. Miami again. Like there are some really choice matchups to come in the future.
21:05So you called it out like what last week about Geno Smith being an awesome streamer and stuff like that.
21:11And a lot of good mainly these two weeks.
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21:44All right. Game number four on the slate. Texans at Colts.
21:48Key question here. Fitz, David Montgomery was RB6 in week one and RB48 in week two.
21:53Which end of that spectrum will he be closer to in week three against the Colts?
21:58I would err on the high side. The Colts run defense might be the worst in the league.
22:03They've given up the second most rushing yards to running backs and the second most receiving yards to running backs so far.
22:10Monty's got three touchdowns, only 70 rushing yards so far, averaging 2.7 yards per carry.
22:15I think the bigger concern is that David Montgomery has only played three more snaps than Woody Marks this season.
22:21So it's been kind of a split backfield. But the Colts defense is just so bad.
22:26And I think they have the worst linebackers in the league.
22:29And this is going to be a run defense we should target in fantasy all season.
22:34Debro, do you feel like David Montgomery in the scope of this season is going to be more of a touchdown or bust type of running back?
22:43I mean, through two weeks, that's essentially what he's been.
22:46He just happened to get three touchdowns in that first week, so it looked really good.
22:51Or do you expect better efficiency from him moving forward and just to look like a better runner against maybe easier defenses?
22:58I don't know what the efficiency is going to look like because it's a bigger offensive line question.
23:03And just the archetype of running back that David Montgomery is.
23:07Like, he needs that offensive line to give him some space to kind of get into the second level and create.
23:13And I don't know how much he's going to get that for the totality of the season.
23:18What I would say for Montgomery, my bigger thing, and why I am with Fitzy and I'm high on him this week,
23:25is the unfortunate thing we saw from last week is he's apparently going to be more game script sensitive than I think
23:32any of us thought he was going to be.
23:35Like, and the fact of like his rushing volume went away.
23:38Woody Marks played more when they were trailing. Like, the best thing that can happen for David Montgomery is this Houston Texans
23:45defense wakes the hell up and looks like some semblance of what we thought we were going to get into, like, get
23:52this year that we've seen over the last few years.
23:55This defense has been horrid. Their secondary looks lost.
23:58The pass rush hasn't been amazing. Like, they need to wake up.
24:02If they can wake up, we can get a lot of positive game scripts, which is how I'm projecting this game because I'm not scared of the Colts.
24:10Daniel Jones looks like 2025 Kirk Cousins in the freaking pocket.
24:14He can't move. The velocity on his throws isn't amazing, and the Colts are playing passing attack dink and dunk down the freaking field.
24:21So can that work versus the Houston Texans pass rush?
24:24Sure. But if the secondary and this defense wakes up, they could be smothering, and they're not going to sustain drives, and they're not going to do anything.
24:33So a lot of positive game scripts, I think, is coming for David Montgomery, and like Fitzy laid out here, it's a fantastic matchup on the ground.
24:41So I think that he's closer to the week one version of David Montgomery, but until this defense wakes up, we're going to see volatility in this backfield.
24:50So that's a nice transition into, I sort of threw a second question into this matchup about that defense.
24:56Is this the week that the Houston defense finally looks like the juggernaut?
25:00We expected it to be before the season, given both what we think about the defense and what we think about this matchup, Fitz.
25:07Yeah, it's too good for the Texans not to have the boa constrictor defense we thought they'd have.
25:13Like, the personnel's too good. What's going to be interesting, though, Worm, is if the Texans can stop Jonathan Taylor, who has historically wrecked the Houston Texans.
25:21Ten career games against Houston. Taylor has run for 1,075 yards and has scored ten touchdowns, won a game.
25:27And if you take out his 26-yard rushing day against the Texans in week 18 of last season, when the Colts had
25:34already been eliminated from the playoffs and were playing without Daniel Jones, Taylor's averaged 116.6 rushing yards a game and 5.4 yards
25:41per carry against the Texans over his career. But again, totally different Texans outfit now than when Taylor first came into the league.
25:48Yeah. Debra, what do you think? You mentioned it when you were talking earlier.
25:52Do you think the defense does step up this week in a way we haven't seen this season?
25:58I do because I think Daniel Jones looks horrible.
26:01He looks like a guy coming off an Achilles.
26:04And I think his lack of mobility and lack of arm strength and the way that they're running this offense right now
26:10because of the limitations of investing in a quarterback coming off of a freaking Achilles repair.
26:15Yeah, I think Houston gets going. All right, let's go to the next game here.
26:20Patriots at Jaguars. I want to talk about the quarterbacks in this one.
26:24Drake May and Trevor Lawrence both finished outside the top 24 quarterbacks.
26:28Or some, yeah, outside the top 20. Oh, no, it was top 24 in week two.
26:33Drake May was QB 23 in week one. So Drake May has two very bad games.
26:38Trevor Lawrence, one bad game out of the two he's played so far this year.
26:42Which signal caller do you think bounces back in this matchup?
26:46May, Lawrence, both, or neither? Debra, I'll start with you.
26:49I think both. I think both can. I'm a little bit more pessimistic about Trevor Lawrence only because it seems like Carlton Davis is going to be back.
26:58I think he would have had a much easier day if Carlton Davis wasn't going to play in this game.
27:04But two full practices as the time of recording this.
27:07Trevor Lawrence also has the highest turnover worthy play rate in the NFL right now amongst quarterbacks.
27:12And now I know that we got a two game sample and that a lot is not because he faced the Browns.
27:19It's because he faced the freaking Broncos. But it's still noteworthy when you're going against the Patriots past defense.
27:25I do think that like both these quarterbacks can get going in this game, though.
27:30You look at the Jags past defense. They haven't been amazing.
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29:37Fitz, May, Lawrence, both or neither. For what it's worth, Lawrence, QB8 in ECR this week.
29:42Drake, May, QB12. I tend to think both. And I'm way higher on consensus than May.
29:47I think I've got him, QB8. And I'm sensing way more panic for May than for Lawrence.
29:52But here's the thing about May. Seattle in Week 1.
29:55Toughest pass defense in the league. Seattle just held the Cardinals to a game where they did not have a 10-yard completion.
30:02They didn't complete a pass for 10 or more yards.
30:05That has not happened since it was replacement players in the strike year of 1987.
30:10And then Drake May was so terrible in Week 2 that he averaged 9.5 yards per attempt against the Steelers.
30:16And I'm being facetious, of course. May had 22 pass attempts versus the Steelers because he didn't need to throw because the
30:23Pittsburgh offense is so broken and the Patriots won 20-3 and didn't have to stomp the accelerator at all.
30:29So I don't think people should worry about May.
30:32Really tough matchup in Week 1 and then just didn't have to throw in Week 2.
30:37Yeah, he doesn't have A.J. Brown. Doesn't have Keishon Booty around anymore.
30:40But I think he's going to be okay. He was always a spread-it-around guy last year.
30:45And I think he's going to continue to do that and start to pick up the pace.
30:51May is another player, maybe just because he's a big name, MVP runner-up last year, all that stuff.
30:56Maybe it's harder to get him. But another guy who his schedule looks really intriguing the next two months, basically.
31:02You know, Buffalo, Chicago, Miami, Detroit, Green Bay. Like, there are some really fun matchups moving forward for him.
31:08Yeah, I think I tend to agree with you guys that we'll see generally, like, both can bounce back in this one.
31:15I think, like, Trevor Lortz was just a quarterback that I really was going after a lot in drafts this summer.
31:22And I'm not coming off of that just because of one bad game in Denver.
31:26Drake May, I think you guys laid out reasonable cases for why it's been a slow start and why that might change going forward.
31:34So yeah, we're all on the same page here.
31:37We can move on to the next game. Chiefs at Dolphins.
31:40We all expect the Chiefs to roll in this one.
31:43So let's take the opportunity to think about the bigger picture here.
31:47Patrick Mahomes, the offense, have looked very back this season, particularly in their most recent game.
31:52So I want to kind of know where you guys are ranking the following players rest of season.
31:57Mahomes, Walker, Kelsey, Rice, and Worthy. We can take these one at a time.
32:02Fitz, I'll start with you. Where are you ranking Patrick Mahomes rest of season amongst quarterbacks?
32:07QB 10, which might be too low, but there's a big gap for me between the first 12 quarterbacks and the QB 2s.
32:14And Mahomes is in the circle of trust there.
32:17Debra? QB 8, but I'm with Fitzy. Like, I think low-end QB 1 is about right.
32:22Like, I think there's just a large, like, wide scrum of, like, what do you think about Brock Purdy, Trevor Lawrence, Dak
32:28Prescott, Patrick Mahomes, like a lot of the pocket passer type of guys.
32:32I could bump up Mahomes if we see another performance closer to what he did in week two because week one, he looked horrible.
32:40Week two, he was dialed in. Like, that was the best version of Patrick Mahomes that I've seen in the last three seasons.
32:47Yeah, it looks really, it looks really good and really scary if you're a fan of an AFC team.
32:53Like, he looked awesome. All right, how about Kenneth Walker, Debra?
32:56Oh, Kenneth Walker. Obviously, it's gonna be high, but I just know how high you don't.
33:01RB3 behind only Jameer Gibbs and Bajon Robinson. That's where I'm at.
33:05And I want to be very particular about how I describe this.
33:09I do not think that he continues to get 25 to 30 touches per game.
33:13I don't think that that happens because just like we were talking about Mahomes, I think as Mahomes in this passing attack,
33:20if they keep performing like they did last week, we're going to see more passing volume back in this offense.
33:26And I think you're gonna see more Emma Johnson, less Kenneth Walker in between the 20s in the sense of where Kenneth
33:33Walker can be a 20 touch, a 22 touch player and a large portion of that, which we've already seen, good Lord, Andy Reid running backs.
33:41It's all kind of back with Kenneth Walker in the passing game.
33:45I think we're gonna see more of that. So like, I'm not worried about his health in the sense of, I don't
33:52think this like 30 touch workload is gonna continue throughout the entirety of the season.
33:57So RB3 for me. I should have mentioned, by the way, Mahomes in consensus, rest of season rankings is QB9.
34:03Kenneth Walker is RB4. So just one spot lower than Debra has him.
34:07Fitz, where is Kenneth Walker for the rest of season?
34:10Running back four behind the big three of Gibbs, Bijon, and McCaffrey.
34:14And you can make a case for putting him ahead of McCaffrey.
34:17By the way, just in consensus, it's Taylor who is ahead of him, not McCaffrey.
34:22Oh, really? Yeah, that's weird. I would easily put McCaffrey or James Cook ahead of Travis.
34:27It goes Gibbs, Bijon, Taylor, Walker, Cook, McCaffrey is the top six in order.
34:31And then Derek Henry is seven in the consensus rankings.
34:34Okay, since you see, you guys are both definitely up there on Walker.
34:38Travis Kelsey at tight end rest of season. Where is he at for you, Fitz?
34:43TE8. Yes! Hand-holding. He's at tight end nine in consensus, by the way.
34:47I could move him up to tight end seven.
34:50If Daniel Jones and the Colts keep looking bad, like he's going to get a crap ton of volume.
34:56I'm not saying that like I want the talent of Travis Kelsey at this point of his career over Tyler Warren, but
35:03the Colts offense looks a lot worse. Rasheed Rice at wide receiver is rest of season what for you, D bro?
35:09Much low. You tell me where consensus is and I promise you that I'm probably 10 to 12 spots lower than consensus
35:16because I don't understand what people are looking at with Rasheed Rice and they feel comfortable.
35:21So Worm, please tell me that he's a wide receiver too because I know he probably is in rest of season rankings
35:28and I'm going to tell you how horribly wrong that is.
35:31So a week ago he was wide receiver 18.
35:34He has dropped. He is now wide receiver 23.
35:37So still inside. Still not low enough. Not low enough.
35:40He's wide receiver. I've got him at wide receiver 31.
35:43I've got him at wide receiver 31 right now because everybody's like, oh, he got a touchdown in week one and that helped his fantasy value.
35:51Okay, but he got no targets. Oh, in week two he got 80 receiving yards and again so did Xavier Worthy and he got no targets.
35:59Does everybody realize Rasheed Rice is not in this high target voluming role that Kenneth Walker is now in that type of role now?
36:07He's not the drag artist. He's not getting a 30% target share in this offense.
36:11Rasheed Rice has a 9.5% target share 9.5 that is wide receiver five type of market share usage.
36:17How is he a wide receiver to an ECR?
36:20How? Fitz, where are you at? I'm at consensus but I got to drop that because I totally agree with D bro.
36:26I think I saw that right now Xavier Worthy has been targeted and more screen passes.
36:31Yes. And Rasheed Rice has. The role is the role has totally changed and Kenneth Walker like this was my fear and
36:38the reason I didn't draft Rasheed Rice anywhere just that he wasn't going to be needed for the same sort of role
36:45he's been playing in recent years and that's kind of how it's played out so far.
36:50Yeah, where he's basically been the running back catching passes out of the backfield and now the gimmicky role is gone.
36:57Speaking of Worthy last one where is he rest of season D bro?
37:01Oh, Xavier Worthy I've got him in wide receiver for territory.
37:04I probably need I need to bump him up a little bit like I think he he should be living somewhere in
37:11about the wide receiver three ish range. Yeah. Yeah, he's actually a wide receiver five in consensus.
37:16Yeah, I've got him out. I've got him I've got him at 50.
37:20I'd like I've got 42 right now like but you know let me let me ask you this fits because so in
37:27rest of season consensus rankings Xavier Worthy is 51 wide receiver 50 is Marvin Harrison jr.
37:32Who would you rather? That's too rough. I've got Marvin higher.
37:35Okay, really? Are you hoping for a trade? Like they're really close.
37:39I you have to be hope for a trade because he's not a part of that offense.
37:44I believe in Marvin Harrison jr's talent despite everybody's social media clips out there.
37:49Like I just think that Arizona screwing him over bad.
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38:32Next game here on the Sunday slate Titans at Giants Debro how are you ranking fantasy relevant Giants, the first game with Jameis Winston starting this season.
38:40I will be below consensus. I can tell you that I've got Cam Scadaboo at RB23.
38:45I don't know what to do with Malik neighbors because I don't know if he plays like he got a full practice
38:52in yesterday and started out limited for the week but I still don't know if he's going to play with with the bum wing.
39:00Isaiah likely I've got a tight in nine neighbors will probably be like somewhere in the wide receiver two ish range when
39:07it's all said and done if he does play but I don't have a lot of and that are the those are
39:13the only fantasy viable players in this offense for me like I don't care about Darnell Mooney or Malachi Fields or whoever
39:20Jameis is barely having a pulse and QB to land for super flex leagues because he looked god-awful last week.
39:26So yeah, you don't think he might look better like with a full week of knowing he's going to be starting and
39:33I mean he's been a backup in the NFL for how long and he just needs to prepare right now.
39:39I don't know man. I don't I don't know.
39:42There's also something to be said of it. You know when the magic goes it goes and he looked god-awful.
39:48This whole conversation might be kind of so I'll tell you where I have these guys for now.
39:54Jameis quarterback 28 scataboo RB 22 neighbors wide receiver 18 Isaiah likely tight end 10.
39:59We might be moving all these guys to the point where we don't start any of them because they have a nor'easter
40:06coming into the East Coast this weekend and I know they're worried about what this is going to do to the Cubs Red Sox series in Boston.
40:14I don't think this stretches as far down the East Coast as Maryland so the Commanders Seahawks game should be okay but
40:21they're saying like the forecast for New Jersey on Sunday rain sustained winds of 13 miles an hour gusts of up to 27 miles an hour.
40:29Oh man. That's pretty similar to the weather we got in Chicago last Sunday for Bears Vikings and you saw not a
40:36lot of success in the passing game. All I heard Fitzy was whatever the total is still bet the under.
40:42Yeah, I would definitely agree with that. Does that make you interested in Scadaboo though Fitz just like hey they're gonna have
40:49to run the ball because they won't be able to throw or you're just like I don't everything.
40:54I don't think this regime wants to feed Scadaboo the way I last I don't did.
40:59No, they don't. No. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah, I was better off in Bayball tried to get him traded to Tennessee so
41:06you can reunite with all the Giants there in Tennessee.
41:09I was aware of the weather stuff on the baseball side.
41:13I didn't even think about it for this game so I'm glad you brought it up.
41:18The total by the way consensus odds on bettingpros.com 38 and a half for this game.
41:22It's gonna be coming down I think. And by the way just to say for your rankings you are either at consensus
41:29or like one or two below consensus on every one of those players you mentioned for right now obviously.
41:35Yeah, and that's gonna kind of move too because we still there's so much injury news right now like where we're talking about all these players.
41:43Yeah, there's still so many situations left to be decided about quarterbacks running backs what happens with all of that that everybody
41:50needs to make sure they're double checking all of our rankings like on Sunday.
41:54Yeah, all right. That's an ugly game. Let's move on to the next one Bengals at Steelers might also be an ugly
42:01game pretty much any game with the Steelers has been ugly so far Bengals defense has looked much improved to start the
42:08season while the Steelers offense has been completely dreadful.
42:11Just one offensive touchdown for this team through two games.
42:14Debro, are you starting any Steelers this week? I will be starting Jalen Warren if he is the clear workhorse back of that offense.
42:21I will be starting Pat Fryermuth considering the usage.
42:24I don't know if we get Michael Pittman Jr.
42:27back but if he is playing I don't want to start him.
42:31I don't want to start Jeremy Bernard if he's out.
42:34I don't want to start DK Metcalf. DK Metcalf is going to get shadowed by DJ Turner and just for everybody at
42:41home last year in the two meetings Metcalf got DJ Turner.
42:44He followed him on 78 90% of his routes.
42:47Metcalf didn't surpass 50 receiving yards in Turner's coverage in either game and he had zero touchdowns.
42:52I will not play DK Metcalf but Jalen Warren and Pat Fryermuth.
42:56Sure. Fitz, I knew you were going to bring up Fryermuth if Debro didn't just from doing yesterday.
43:01He is in consensus rankings tight end 17 right now.
43:05I know you have him quite a bit higher than that.
43:08Yeah, tight end 10. Yeah. And or wait, maybe I've got likely 10 and Fryermuth 11, whatever.
43:13I'm going to be moving Fryermuth ahead of likely.
43:16Actually, I do have Fryermuth 10 and likely 11.
43:19Yeah, it's just the Bengals allowed the most receptions, receiving yards and touchdowns to tight end last year with Al Golden as the defensive coordinator.
43:27Golden still the defensive coordinator and Dalton Schultz had 12 catches and 140 yards to the Texans for the Texans against the Bengals last week.
43:34And it seemed like this Bengals defense has gotten a lot better.
43:38It just seems like the Bengals are perfectly willing to concede seven yard throws over the middle to the opposing tight end.
43:45Like they are happy with that. They'll bend a little bit on those throws and sacrifice that for breaking elsewhere.
43:51So, let's see. Oh, go ahead. Sorry, sorry. Oh, that's okay.
43:55I was just going to say, so last year Fryermuth had a game against the Bengals.
44:00Five catches, 111 yards, two touchdowns. And yeah, and just echoing what Debro said about Jalen Warren, like quite possibly no Rico Doudal.
44:07Warren gets a huge share of the snaps, carries, and all those check down throws from the 42-year-old quarterback who is doing
44:13pretty much everything he can to avoid hits. Mm-hmm.
44:16To your point, I'll say is I see your Colts' worst linebacker group and I raise you the Bengals.
44:22They were lost last year because they got thrown in the deep end of the pool.
44:27I think they're going to be better than the Colts this year, but I know last year that was obviously like a
44:34lot of weak spots in the Bengals' defense and that was the weakest, but I feel like those guys are going to be better this year.
44:42To your point, though, that Friar Muth should eat them alive in coverage, though.
44:46Yeah. Would you guys start Friar Muth over Colson Loveland?
44:49Just to get a sense. Yeah. Yeah. I have a answer to that because I wrote it in the primer.
44:56I have no freaking clue what to do with Colson Loveland because this Bears passing attack is doing idiotic things and you
45:03talk about broken offenses like they're running the ball well.
45:06What the heck are we doing? We got to throw out week two, though.
45:10Like that was that game was just can we throw out week one to like is the Colson Loveland and Rome and Luther Burden weren't good then, too.
45:19It was weird, but they were having so much success on the ground against the Panthers like they run the ball.
45:25I just I don't think we've had circumstances under which we can fairly judge the Bears passing yet.
45:31I think it's going to be fine. I think Loveland's a great buy low right now.
45:36I don't disagree with you. I just don't know what the heck to do with him this week.
45:41Considering what we see. Don't don't play him with Keith.
45:44I would co-sign. Yeah. Another game in the early slate Seahawks at Commanders, the team from Seattle obviously flying east for an early start in this one.
45:53I don't think it really matters. That defense is going to travel.
45:57So with no Jaden Daniels and facing the best defensive football in my opinion, are you comfortable starting pretty much any commanders this week Fitz?
46:04No. And I've got I'm going to have to move these guys down right now.
46:09I've got McLaurin wide receiver 29 and digs wide receiver 32.
46:12And I looked at those rankings. I'm like, why do I have these guys that high?
46:17Um, you know, like, so I don't really want to play those guys.
46:21I know Seattle sometimes gives up receiving production to running back.
46:25So maybe you could start Rashad white in a PPR league, but I really don't want to start either Rashad or J.
46:32Corey Krosky married either. That that's the one it's white in PPR.
46:35All right. And I saw Debra nodding to yeah, just just quickly on the receivers though, like Terry McLaurin's wide receiver 31
46:42in consensus to find digs is wide receiver 34 in consensus.
46:46And man, I'm looking here like Rashad Bateman is behind those guys.
46:49I don't think they are going there. I mean, with no Zay flowers, he's no, you're not wrong.
46:55I knew you were going there and I agree.
46:58And Wicks is right behind Bateman. I would rather start Wicks.
47:01There's defense than I would those two. And given the circumstances, like, yeah, I think they should be even lower than I
47:08don't feel good about being above consensus on those two guys.
47:11That does not feel good. I think that's correct.
47:14Yeah. D bro. You know, when you look at this matchup, is it just white or is there anybody else you would even make a case for?
47:22No, I'm not making a case for anybody else.
47:25It's just Rashad white. And it's just, if you're in a PPR league and you need your running back room, which again,
47:32going back to the injuries is decimated. Rashad white is a PPR option because again, yeah, Seattle does get eaten up by receiving backs.
47:4012 most receiving fantasy points. Per game this season last year, they quietly gave up the most receptions to running backs.
47:46And it just makes a ton of sense. Like we know the commanders are going to be playing catch up.
47:52Rashad white is the passing down back the coverage structure.
47:55Seattle runs with too high and funneling everything underneath.
47:58And I'll just make sense. Like he probably walks out of this.
48:02If he gets a garbage time touchdown, maybe he's a PPR RV two of the week, but again, a flex, but I don't want to play anybody else.
48:11Like even Marcus Mariota and super flex. No, thank you.
48:14McDonald defenses have always given up, you know, catches to the running back.
48:18So that's, that's not just like a cover structure.
48:21Yeah. Yeah. By the way, just while we're on this game, Adam Peters said on local radio in DC earlier that they
48:27are not considering IR for Jaden Daniels. It sounds like surgery is not currently the, the plan.
48:33I mean, I find it baffling. Honestly, you know, not that I'm a doctor or have looked at any of this stuff,
48:39but it just seems crazy that if every time he falls in his elbow lands the wrong way, it's susceptible to this,
48:46that maybe you would want to get surgery, but it seems like that's not the plan right now.
48:52That could change a lot of moving parts. He's not playing this week.
48:56That's all we know for sure. So good. Good thing for Adam Peters and Dan Quinn.
49:01I mean, that might hopefully save their jobs or something because I'm telling you like if they, if Jaden Daniel goes on
49:08IR and stuff, they will not be back for a 2027 season.
49:11Promise you that. I think Peters would be more likely to be back.
49:15I think Quinn would be. Peters has been God awful as a GM.
49:19I know, but like his reputation, I think is stronger than Dan his rep and what he's actually done with his resume.
49:26They don't, they don't. Yeah, I'm not even disagreeing that.
49:29I just think usually you would maybe just see one and give them a chance to hire a different coach.
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49:56All right, let's get to the late slate here guys.
50:00Smaller late slate because we have a pretty big early slate this week.
50:04Cardinals at 49ers. Key question here. Two weeks into his career, Jeremiah Love has yet to top 50 combined rushing and receiving yards in a game.
50:12Where are you ranking him against a 49ers team that has looked completely dominant so far this season?
50:17I'll be it against a team with weird travel stuff and the dolphins as those two opponents.
50:22Debro. Oh, Jeremiah Love. Where is he out of my rankings?
50:26I have an RB3 and when it all shakes out, that's where he's going to be somewhere in that RB3 range.
50:32But if Jaderian Price is can we get word?
50:35He's going to be like a full go this week.
50:38I'm putting him over Jeremiah Love. It's Travis H.
50:41Chen sounds like he's going to be a full go this week.
50:45I mean, maybe either one of the Patriots backs.
50:48I do not want to play Jeremiah Love at all.
50:51I don't want to play Tyler. I was here.
50:54One, it's the matchup to their usage is just so baffling and idiotic.
50:58I don't understand it. But to your point, worm, the 49ers have given up the fifth lowest explosive run rate, the seventh fewest yards of contact per attempt.
51:06But Jeremiah Love through two games has a 42% snap rate.
51:10He has a 32% route share. He's only averaged 12 and a half touches.
51:14And this is despite him being a player that in the limited volume has 2.85 yards of contact per attempt.
51:20You draft this guy fifth overall to put him behind Tyler Algier and just prove that you are all idiotic.
51:26Do those stats, Debro, normalize early in the season?
51:29Things like target share and those usage numbers or does that tend to be susceptible to small sample size sort of early season flukes depending on the game?
51:38Or is that like usually pretty quickly like this is likely what it's going to be going forward?
51:43I mean, I would love to say the assumption of rational, it depends on it's every different team and how the players are playing.
51:51So every team is its own, you know, microorganism.
51:54But with this specifically, I don't know what they're going to do, man.
51:58Like, I mean, we scream the assumption of rational coaching all the time.
52:02You drafted the guy top five. He's crazy talented.
52:05If it's not related to an injury, then why is he leading the backfield?
52:09It is related to an injury, though. He had the high ankle.
52:13We know that definitively, though? Like, well, it's reasonable to conclude that they are maybe easing him in a little bit after
52:19the high ankle sprain last month, which we know is a pretty severe, like basically is like akin to an MCL sprain
52:26as far as the recovery time and being like full go.
52:30So I think it stands to reason he's going to get more work in the coming weeks.
52:35And I hope so. Yeah, I hope so. I really do hope so, because what they're doing right now makes zero sense.
52:42And just by the way, he is RB 25 in consensus and fits before I get your ranking here.
52:48Just to mention Nick Bosa will not play in this game.
52:51He pulled his calf during Thursday's practice is now expected to miss a few weeks.
52:56And Schefter tweeted like four minutes ago as of when we're taping this, the 49ers now are leaning toward not placing Bosa
53:03on injured reserve in part because they're running out of injured reserve spaces, which is remarkable here before week three has even gotten fully underway.
53:10Fitz, where are you out of Jeremiah Love in this matchup?
53:14RB 24. I mean, I think the talent is evident and the role is going to continue to grow as he does
53:21get closer to 100% after that high ankle sprain.
53:23Like, I really think that's partly why the usage has been what it has been so far.
53:29It's kind of funny, Fitz. I feel like this whole episode, not that you're not giving great analysis or, you know, cogent
53:36insights or anything, but it's a bit a lot of like, yeah, but basically in line with consensus when any of the
53:42specific ranking questions that you've been like very aligned either off by just a spot or two on a lot of these.
53:49Do you feel like consensus is aligning with Fitzy?
53:52Can we just throw it that way? You know what?
53:55That's a much better way to frame it. I know that's the reality.
53:59Fit fits with his top 50 finish in the rankings contest.
54:03Yeah. I know you weren't thrilled about that on the Wednesday show, so I had to bring it up again.
54:09Mayor crushing it. We should really all be following him so far this season.
54:13I can't believe I just said that out loud.
54:16Let's go to the next game. Vikings at Buccaneers with Kyler Murray returning injuries in the Vikings running back room and a
54:23very messy Tampa Bay offense facing a chaotic Brian Flores defense.
54:26This game to me feels very hard to predict, so just make a prediction.
54:30Give me a final score and a guess at who will be the player of the game in this one fits.
54:37I always like the spots where it's like sort of the fat happy team against the wounded desperate team, so I'll take
54:44the wounded desperate Buccaneers here 2120 and I'll go with Bucky Irving as player of the game.
54:492120 and Bucky Irving. I don't have it pulled up here.
54:52I want to check what the total is and that that would be oh, if total is 42 and a half, so that would be under there.
55:01Debra, how do you see this one playing out?
55:04I was going to go like 2118 and I'm also going to take the Buccaneers here and to your point, Warren, but
55:10yeah, I this game feels like there's such a wide range of outcomes with with how both of these defenses are so blitz happy.
55:18The Vikings do not give up a ton, but if you look at their metrics, they their success rates versus rushing and passing are extremely low.
55:26But dude, when they give up big plays, oh baby, they are both top 12 in explosive pass rate and rush rate.
55:33Like when they give it up, they give it up.
55:36So I think that that leads to a lot of volatility and I'm going to go with Fitzy on this one for
55:43Bucky Irving and just for context here. Yeah, Minnesota has given up the fifth highest explosive run rate and the 12th most yards before contact per attempt.
55:51They have specifically been exposed on gap runs and in a very limited sample, Bucky Irving on gap runs this year, 6.9 yards per carry.
55:59Wow. So you guys are very aligned on this one.
56:02Bucky is RB 18 this week. Is that too low?
56:05It's too low. It's funny that the Minnesota defense, the run defense, the stats are that so bad when that they're so
56:12bad when they face the Packers in week one.
56:15Not wrong at all. Great point. Yes, sir. Let me just throw out just if you're looking at bettingpros.com since we're talking
56:22about Bucky, his total consensus odds for your rushing yards is 57 and a half.
56:26First touchdown score plus 625. Rushing attempts 14 and a half is the total fantasy points over under is 13.
56:32These are all different bets you can see on bettingpros.com.
56:36Anytime touchdown, by the way, plus 135. Any of those stand out to you Fitz since you like Bucky so much?
56:42I like to overrun the rushing yardage. Same. Same.
56:45Oh, yeah. Yeah. Weird game. I'm interested to watch it, but yeah, I just feel like this could go in so many
56:52different directions that I really just don't know. So it's kind of funny that I asked this question on this game because
56:58I felt like, oh, who the heck knows what this is going to do?
57:03And then you guys both basically gave almost the same answer of how you see this playing out.
57:08So maybe it is a little more obvious than I thought.
57:12Let's go to another game that I'm actually like weirdly very excited to watch Raiders at Saints.
57:17Tyler Shuck has already been a top eight quarterback twice this season.
57:21He has been a top 12 quarterback in six of his last eight games dating back to week 13 of last year.
57:28And in the only two games that he wasn't a top 12 quarterback, he was still no lower than QB 16 in those two games.
57:35So he has given you both floor and ceiling dating back to, like I said, week 13 of last season.
57:42With all that said, where are you guys ranking Shuck both this week and rest of season, Debra?
57:47So this feels like Stockholm syndrome. Have you been Saints pilled?
57:51I said last week, I was like, that's a good man.
57:54I think they're a good team. They're fun. I like, I'm in on the Saints.
57:59I've got, I got Shuck at QB eight for the week and rest of season.
58:03And just for everybody at home, he is QB five and fantasy points per game.
58:08Rest of season. I've got him at QB. I kind of go back and forth somewhere in the QB 10 to 12
58:15range, like somewhere around between Drake major golf somewhere in that type of area code.
58:19Fitz. I've got him QB 12 this week, QB 14 rest of season.
58:24I know that seems pessimistic. I just got to remind people that he had a 410 yard day against the Lions in
58:30week one after they fell down into a 21 zero hole.
58:34And right now he's second in the league in pass attempts and he's going to be way up there in pass attempts
58:41because Kellen Moore likes to push the pace and, you know, Shuck adds value with his legs.
58:46I think he's good. I think he's a viable starting quarterback in fantasy.
58:50But the Raiders are not the easiest matchup. And I know people think of Las Vegas being this pushover matchup.
58:56They have the second lowest opponent passer rating right now behind only the Seahawks.
59:00And the Raiders have only given up one TD pass.
59:04And I mean, they can get after it with the pass rush.
59:07We know that. So like, I don't think this is a cakewalk for Tyler Shuck.
59:12Oh, and by the way, can I can I give you guys a fun factoid about this game?
59:18They mentioned this on the athletic football podcast. And I guess Saints head coach Kellen Moore dropped this himself.
59:23Kellen Moore and Kirk Cousins were senior bowl teammate in 2012.
59:27Oh, my gosh. That is amazing. I think that's dating Kirk Cousins weren't it is Kellen Moore.
59:32That makes Kellen Moore look like a young man and Kirk.
59:36Oh, my gosh. That is hilarious. So I didn't see what for what it's worth.
59:40Fitz, you're not that low on Chuck relative consensus.
59:43He could be 10 in consensus for this week and QB 13 for rest of season rankings.
59:48So you're one spot lower in one of those and two spots lower in the other.
59:53So you're not that far off you. And if you are fading a little bit relative to consensus.
59:59The only thing I want to add on the Raiders defense, they could be for real.
60:04The only counter that I have for this Fitzy is we're only two games in and they played Malik Willis and Justin
60:11Herbert and that abomination of an offense. So I think they could be legit, but we need a bigger sample size.
60:17I do think that this is a very good litmus test for them, though.
60:21Max Crosby does look like he's an MVP. Oh, dude.
60:25He's mad, mad, mad, baby. The Raiders got to be glad it so sad.
60:29You think he'd be a good Raven, huh? Worm.
60:32The Ravens didn't get under that trade because of this year.
60:35It's because of long term concerns. I think I think everybody expected him to be good this season.
60:41I'm not surprised at all. He does look awesome.
60:44Yeah. But by the way, just like in terms of thinking about the Saints to like Chris Alave rest season's wide receiver seven.
60:51That feels if anything maybe too well. I mean, if he's healthy or awesome.
60:55So good. Yeah. Which certainly helps Shuck. All right.
60:58Let's go to week 13. Speaking of the Ravens, Ravens at Cowboys in Rio de Janeiro in Brazil.
61:03I was not sure at certain points in this week if they were actually going to play there.
61:09There have been rumors about the field. They are in Brazil.
61:12So this game is happening there. I am terrified by the quality of this field and having my team play on it and possible injuries to come.
61:21I really hope Zay does not play. Obviously, this offense looks a lot different without him, but I do not want to risk it.
61:28All that being said, this is the highest total of the week.
61:32It was 52 and a half. Last time I looked, I'll double check while we're talking to see if it's still at that at that level.
61:40But 52 and a half. Is there anybody that you would actually fade in this matchup, whether it's because of the field
61:47or just because it's, you know, a high number and you feel like the game might not go that way?
61:53Or are you guys trying to start as many players as possible from this game?
61:58Debra, I'll start with you. I'm starting everybody that I want.
62:01Okay. Zay Flowers is not going to play. He still hasn't practiced this week.
62:05The Baltimore Ravens are not going to be stupid enough to put him on this rick and field with a hamstring issue.
62:12So I'm just going to get that out of the way.
62:16He did travel to Brazil just to, by the way, so it's not official yet, but I I agree with you.
62:22I'm just pointing out that he is there. Yeah, no, I just don't see a world where he plays in this game.
62:29But to that point, are you playing Lamar Jackson Derek Henry Rashad Bateman and Mark Andrews?
62:34Equivocally. Hell yes. Are you playing all your usual Cowboys?
62:37And the only guy that I think like usage and touchdowns and stuff that maybe I'm kind of like on the fence
62:44just because his usage sucks and you're playing touchdown or bust as Jake Ferguson.
62:48But in a game with a 52 freaking total, he probably gets a touchdown and the red zone equity is there.
62:55So yeah, this is fire up all your usual Cowboys and Ravens.
62:59By the way, that total has actually gone up.
63:01It's 53 is consensus on better. You can find it at 53 and a half in some places, but the consensus wild.
63:08So very, very high total. Yeah, I guess I guess it's the better way to frame this isn't like, you know, are you sitting anybody?
63:16It's are you fading anybody relative to consensus? But still, most of the guys you're starting.
63:21If you have. Yeah, D bro covered it perfectly.
63:24And the only thing I'll add, there was a good tweet by Pat Thorman of established the run today.
63:30He pointed out that Christian Parker's Dallas Cowboys defense sort of predicated on the Vic Fangio defense and Lamar Jackson has historically ripped up Vic Fangio defenses.
63:38So could be a big Lamar game this week.
63:41You also I think it was you. Sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth fits, but I think yesterday on the
63:48show, you might have mentioned that when field conditions are bad, that can sometimes benefit the offensive players because defense offensive players know where they're going.
63:56Defense defenders have to react and not being able to plant and cut as well.
64:00You might see guys kind of slipping around a bit and it's the sort of thing where if Lamar is comfortable on
64:07this field or if they was playing, for example, those quick twitch guys who are really shifty and change direction quickly can be a problem to deal with.
64:16So that kind of leans into or into the higher total here in the offense.
64:20Yeah, that's how it was in week one of 2025 when the Packers and Eagle.
64:25Eagles played in Brazil. There were a lot of big games in the big plays in the passing game that day because
64:32a lot of defenders sort of getting shaken by, you know, quick cuts by wide receivers.
64:37So, yeah, I remember I think Jaden Reed had a couple of touchdowns in that game.
64:42The Eagles, AJ Brown, I think went off in that game.
64:45Wouldn't surprise me. Like, I'm not betting the under on this game.
64:49I'll tell you that. I just want to lay out a really quick scenario, boys, trying to stop a train on any
64:56type of field, much less when you try to dig your heels in against Eric.
65:00Derek Henry. I was just going to talk about Derek Henry.
65:04Obviously, nothing. Everybody's starting to have him, but he's already five and consensus.
65:08That feels. I mean, dude, he could run for a buck 50 in this game.
65:13Yeah. I do not disagree. Like if, if listen, as a Ravens fan, if they get out of this game with no
65:19major injuries, that's all I could ask for. Well, you just need Declan Doyle to hopefully call rushing plays.
65:25Who knows if that happens? He did say he had a quote earlier this week.
65:30He goes, yes, I'm aware Derek Henry is on this team because he was getting good for him.
65:36He's doing his best. Todd Monken. Hooray. Yeah, we'll see what happens in this week.
65:40All right, let's go to Sunday Night Football Rams at Broncos.
65:44Key question here. Devante Adams and Jalen Waddell both bounced back with big games in week two after poor performances in week one.
65:51Which wide receiver has the better week three in this game?
65:54And by the way, when I put this question together, it was unclear on Puka.
65:59Still, we don't have definitive anything on if he's going to play or not, but it seems like it has trended in the wrong direction here.
66:07So maybe that plays into your pick in this one.
66:10Fitz, who do you expect to have a better week three?
66:13Devante Adams or Jalen Waddell? I'm assuming Puka is going to be out right now.
66:18Right now, and taking people behind the curtain, I was doing my first pass at week three rankings while Devante Adams was
66:25destroying the New York Giants on Monday Night Football.
66:28So I may have been influenced by this. Right now, I've got Devante wide receiver 15, and I have, sorry, Jalen Waddell wide receiver 17.
66:35So tell me, despite the likelihood of a Patrick Sertain Jr.
66:39shadow on Devante Adams, and so is this a mistake, D-Bro?
66:42I have them back-to-back. I have Waddell at wide receiver 12, and I have Adams at 13.
66:48Oh. The only reason that I have Waddell ahead of Adams is exactly what you just laid out with Patrick Sertain.
66:54Now, in all of this, do I think that Sean McVay does smart things with Devante Adams because he's freaking Sean McVay,
67:01and he doesn't fall into the same potholes that all the other idiots in the league do, and just put Adams on
67:08an island, and if he is basically your entire passing attack or the clear one, is he going to move him into
67:15the slot and get him off of Sertain? Yes.
67:17But we do have to kind of nerf his line just a little bit because he is going to see Sertain some,
67:24and he's going to play on the boundary some.
67:27So that's where I split the difference between these two guys, where I have Waddell, who was the clear alpha that we
67:34were all kind of hoping he'd be in week two, and I think that that's his role projected forward.
67:40I have Waddell one spot ahead about Devante Adams only because of Patrick Sertain.
67:44That's the only reason. So where did you say they are ranked?
67:48You said you have Waddell ahead. Wide receiver 12 and 13.
67:5112 and 13, okay. Devante Adams is wide receiver 12 in consensus.
67:55Jalen Waddell is wide receiver 15 in consensus rankings.
67:58We're all kind of living in the same neighborhood.
68:00And by the way, again, that's with like Christian Watson, Drake London are still in there.
68:05So it would be a little bit higher if you remove the guys who have already played.
68:11Yeah, I think that's fair. You know, Devante Adams, I mean, it's just if Puka is out, and by the way, the
68:18are they playing tool on fantasypros.com gives Puka a 4% chance to play, which is the same as Zay Flowers and Nico
68:24Collins, guys that we don't expect to play. So like we are.
68:28He has even practice of last. It seems incredibly unlikely that he's going to play.
68:33So yeah, like it's hard to watch what we saw last week and not have Devante Adams pretty high.
68:39Assuming Puka doesn't play just very quickly. I didn't I didn't write this question down, but Terrence Ferguson, like how high would
68:45he rank for you guys if Puka is outfits?
68:48Probably right now I've got him tight end 17.
68:51I don't know how much higher I can move him up.
68:54Like I just Terrence Ferguson versus Colston Loveland. Fitzy, who are you starting?
68:59Right now I've got Loveland higher, but I might have to get Ferguson ahead of Loveland.
69:03I just moved him in real time above Colston Loveland because how I'm projecting the game and the big thing that because
69:10I was very low on Ferguson walking out of last week only in the sense of is this truly replicable?
69:17And the thing that when I got to the primer and I dove into the numbers looking at when that game was
69:23close in the first three quarters of the game, it's not just that.
69:27OK, fine. He had the clear number two target chair.
69:30He was going to use a crap ton. It was the fact that he had a 71% route share.
69:36That makes me think like, OK, dude, like this isn't just maybe just one week.
69:41Maybe he just is the clear dude and the overall numbers take it away because in the fourth quarter they're just running
69:48the ball to take him off the field. They don't need him.
69:52Yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. So like I think that at least for one week.
69:56Yeah, the Terrence Ferguson show is definitely I want to buy tickets to that and I feel good about it.
70:02I had a listener reach out to me and ask Terrence Ferguson if Puka's out or Juwan Johnson.
70:08And for me, like I did say Ferguson easily.
70:11I would Ferguson would be like probably like the top eight ish for me if I knew if Ferguson's healthy and Puka
70:18is not like I am just very I don't I don't mind that there's a chance I'm out over my skis.
70:24I kind of want to be out of Terrence Ferguson.
70:27The other thing is going back to the Devante Adams of all of this, how we're projecting this game.
70:33If certain is on Adams, the ball has to go somewhere.
70:37So we're not projecting a crap ton of like Jordan winning right now.
70:41Terrence Ferguson is lower in consensus than a Ronda Gadsden, Harold Fannin, Carson Loveland, Mark Andrews.
70:46Like, yeah, I'd rather start Ferguson and all those guys if I knew Puka's for sure out, which we're expecting him to be out.
70:53So I want to throw that out there also because this is our Sunday night game.
70:58We're going to open up the prop bet cheat sheet and point out some of our favorite three and four star bets from the cheat sheet.
71:06Fitz, I'll start with you. What's your favorite one this week for Sunday night football?
71:11Matthew Stafford under 243.5 passing yards. It's a three star bet.
71:14That just seems like a tall order with no Puka Nikua.
71:18Debra? I'm actually going to go further down the cheat sheet.
71:21I'm going to go two star action with this one.
71:24I'm going to go back to the Jalen Waddlewell.
71:27I'm going to take the over for his 55.5 receiving yards.
71:30Again, the Rams have been, they looked much better in week two, but they have given up the 13th most fantasy points per opportunity to slot receivers.
71:39And I think Waddle gets fed again this week.
71:41Those were our top prop bets for Sunday night football, courtesy of the betting pros prop bet cheat cheat.
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71:52Quickly compare lines from leading sports books against our daily NFL projections to uncover the props offering the most value.
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72:02All right, guys, one final game here. Monday night football Eagles at bears.
72:06I think we can go quickly on this one just because the bear is obviously there's this quarterback uncertainty assuming Caleb Williams
72:13doesn't play and knowing at least last I saw Tyson Bajan may not either.
72:17I'm not sure if there's been an update there that I missed.
72:21How are you guys ranking bears pass catchers against Philly?
72:24Just given this crazy uncertainty at quarterback D bro.
72:27Luther burden wide receiver 30 Roma dunes a wide receiver 39 Colston Loveland wide or tight end 15 right now.
72:33I is passing attack. I just man, I don't know how you feel any comfort or sliver of like hope of like
72:40my confidence of starting these guys like is that sorry, let me rephrase that is there hope.
72:45Sure. They're all crazy talented and maybe they just do what they should have been doing the entirety of the season and
72:52run their offense through their best players. But what we've seen through two games is just been kind of a mess.
72:58So, I mean, I can't rank them aggressively, especially with the matchup here.
73:02You know, D bro, you're actually ahead of consensus on really?
73:06Oh, I've got to change that thing. Yeah. On both burden and a doons a not on Loveland, but a burden and
73:13a doons a not by a lot, but I mean, I don't want to be above consensus.
73:18Well, the other part about this is like I've got Rashad Bateman behind Luther burden right now that'll move up and there's
73:25some other kind of players again like moving ranks around with injuries.
73:29So what about Devon Velae or Luther burden? They're back to back in consensus.
73:33I feel better about Velae. I know his target volume and the saints are passing at the second highest rate neutral script.
73:40Like, yeah. Fitz, where you at when these pass catchers, we've talked a lot about Colson, love them.
73:45So let's focus on the receivers here. Where you at on burden and a doons a this week Burden wide receiver 38 or excuse me.
73:53I would do and say wide receiver 38 burden wide receiver 44.
73:57Yes, you might say I'm bearish on the Chicago receivers this week.
74:00I'll show myself. Yeah. So burden played fewer snaps than Kalief Raymond last week.
74:05I don't know what's up with that. You know, it's reminiscent of last year when burden was playing fewer snaps than a Lama days.
74:12A case, but that was burden's rookie year. And we thought we got the Luther burden breakout late last season.
74:18So the usage is kind of confusing. Did Ben Johnson sell all of his Luther burden stocks?
74:24I wasn't aware of the insider trading. I haven't been given the update.
74:28Can anybody update me on that? You are Fitz ahead of consensus on a doomsday.
74:32You are well below consensus on burden. You're like over 10 spots lower than consensus on burden.
74:38Would you rather start Fitz Luther burden or Carnell Tate this week?
74:41It's going to be the nor'easter in New Jersey.
74:44So I would rather start. I got a better one.
74:47Denzel Boston. Oh, well, see, the reason I didn't ask that one is.
74:51I know, I know, I know, I know. I know.
74:54You've already talked about this. I know exactly where I'm setting Fitzy up here a little bit.
75:00It's professional alley-oop. Go ahead, Fitzy. Denzel Boston. Yeah, it's Denzel Boston for sure.
75:04Is he still inside your top 30 Fitz Boston?
75:07Yes. Yeah. I had to give Fitzy a layup so he could start.
75:11I know, I know. I shouldn't have stepped on it.
75:14Is Octavian Wicks ahead of both of these guys for both of you?
75:18Oh, yeah. In this same game? He is of the Wicks, like, weirdly kind of lost snap and route share last week.
75:25But he's ahead of burden for me. Devontae Smith, hamstring injury, didn't practice.
75:29Yeah. Yeah, that's sweet. That's such a bummer with the matchup against the Bears defense.
75:34Their outside corners are not bad, though. It's like the slot where they're going to get murdered, the running game where they're going to get murdered.
75:42But I would only counter that with, I think they're bad everywhere.
75:45But, yeah. All right. We'll go ahead and wrap things up there.
75:49Thanks, everybody, for checking out our key questions for week three.
75:53Best of luck setting those lineups this week. For Fitz and Debra, I'm Ryan Warren.
75:57Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you again next time.
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