0:00Welcome to the Legendary Upside podcast and YouTube channel. My name is Pat Karine. You can follow all my content at legendary upside.com. With me today,
0:06Greg Branos for our Legendary Coach Speak Pod. Greg, how's it going?
0:11>> Going well, man. It's It's our final legendary coach speak. Just >> most legendary one of all.
0:16>> This is This is it. This is it.
0:18>> Last one of 2026.
0:20>> Special edition.
0:22>> Um, collectors, >> we have in two days, man. Two days.
0:26>> What a world. We're we we finally made it. Um, I do want to say up top just what a pleasure it's been to do this on
0:33Mondays with you, man. Had had a lot of fun.
0:37>> Blast.
0:37>> Yeah, I think we we we handed out some alpha and uh yeah, I've enjoyed it.
0:43>> I have too. And uh we're not done. We're going to be handing out just that little more alpha. I mean, I don't know about
0:48you, I still have drafts left.
0:50>> Um we're going to be doing a draft on this very podcast. Um, but uh yeah, I've got I've actually got a decent more of
0:58the BBM on DraftKings I'm going to try to get done tonight. And then >> drafting like 50.
1:05>> Oh my god. 50.
1:06>> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I I got I got some some time set aside. [laughter] >> Wow.
1:13>> Um and then gonna be doing a a stream tonight with Leoni Gretch and Pete Overzette on Ship Chasing. We're doing
1:22our our 5K big payback stream this evening. So, check that out over on Ship Chasing. Um, yeah, got got most of the
1:31volume in that I wanted, but still have just a bunch of DK BBMs I got to fire.
1:37So, [laughter] >> that's that's a lot.
1:40And you can't even you can't even do like slow.
1:43>> No, no, no. Oh, I still have slows going. Um, which was one hour clocks, man. But you have you you have 50 like left to do.
1:54Not including slows that that you current.
1:57>> No, no, that does not include slows.
1:59>> Wow.
2:00>> That includes enter draft, start draft for the very first time. Um, let me see.
2:07So, I'm looking at 53. I got to get Well, you're going to help me out here in a minute because we're about to do one of them. So, I'm
2:14gonna at least 52. You >> do like 10 at a time?
2:18>> Yeah. I'll probably do I'll probably do 10 at a time. Yeah.
2:21>> Yeah. It's a good That's a good four plus hours probably.
2:25>> Yep.
2:27If >> anyone needs me.
2:28>> Your your your wife's going to be loving that. [laughter] >> Draft season, baby. [laughter] >> She's going to walk in like the uh like
2:40the are you winning son me >> at your desktop.
2:46It is a bit. Um, all right. Let's uh let's talk through some coach speak, man.
2:53>> Let's do it.
2:54>> Um, I named the the episode optimism and consistency because you were uh sharing some some quotes, a few different optimistic quotes. It's not the best
3:06time of year for someone to be optimistic. We want more concrete. Yeah.
3:10Yeah. You know, he's playing. Don't worry. Obviously, he's playing. He's practicing. Why are you asking me about this? That's not what we're getting out
3:17of Carolina. Uh Jonathan Brooks off to the side again today with soreness.
3:22Brooks has been actually pretty active on Twitter. Um telling people like somewhat cryptically, but he see he seems >> fired up, you know. It doesn't seem like
3:33he's uh >> God bless you, my boy.
3:34>> God bless you, my boy. He he hit someone with uh some various hand emojis.
3:40>> Oh, did he do some more? I only saw that one. I I I don't love him tweeting too much.
3:46>> I think I think there's a line >> there. Yeah. I mean, at what point would it become bearish to you?
3:54>> I I'd say more than like five.
3:57>> I think he's done two.
3:59>> Okay.
4:00>> He did the God Bless You My Boy, which is which is pretty great.
4:04Um, and then let's see, he had well he replied to someone
4:14that said I don't mind him making comments and he gave him he hit him with this uh maybe he deleted the other one, but I
4:23saw he he did like he was like, "Yeah, this is gonna be I don't know. It was something like get like get ready kind of kind of vibes."
4:32So yeah, I don't you know, it seems like um Oh, then there was the other report like report that it wasn't his knee. So
4:42I don't know. It's murky though and they're saying they're optimistic, but like I said, you don't really want optimism right now. We want Yeah, he's
4:50playing.
4:50>> So what what are you what's your read on what we get out of Brooks this week?
4:54Yeah, Canalis on September 2nd said, quote, "I'm very optimistic he'll be available for week one." End quote. And
5:04when we got this quote, I looked back into the database that I have uh on actionable coach speak. And Dave Canal
5:12is not not that reliable overall on injury coach speak, but when he has used the word optimistic, he has a stellar
5:23track record of these guys playing. And he has one instance of saying very optimistic, and that was Rob Hunt back in early January before their playoff
5:34game. And Hunt ended up suiting up for that game. So that's pretty nice. And then yeah, we got these comments today
5:44from Canales. They um they so I'll I'll I'll start with this like basically second question we got about Brooks.
5:54They asked him uh are you still optimistic about Jonathan Brooks playing in week one and Canal said I hope so.
6:00Again, we have to just keep taking it one day at a time. He ran today and then we'll evaluate what that looked like.
6:06We'll see that and compare it to what he looked like before and we'll go from there. Uh, and that's like, you know,
6:12one one of the things that's circulating uh around online being being aggregated.
6:18But Canales like basically opened this presser the same way that he opened the last presser just saying I'm going to give all the injury updates on
6:26Wednesday. Like we don't have to give anything out uh until Wednesday. uh cuz some somebody like right off the bat asked asked about Brooks and then they
6:36basically and ended up asking a a second question um about it later. So like that's kind of typical Dave Canales is
6:44like I I don't really give anything away until I have to speak on on something.
6:50Uh so so I think that's like kind of a necessary context to to bring in there.
6:57>> I haven't been super worried about him, you know, not playing week one or anything. It seems like, you know, he's
7:04coming off this major knee injury, maybe they're they're just kind of making sure they don't overdo it. But the more, you
7:10know, he's out or the the longer we we don't get him kind of participating again, you'd at some point be like,
7:17okay, what's what's going on here? But I think I am also probably waiting until Wednesday before I'd have real concern about what this is. And it doesn't it
7:27doesn't seem like he had a setback or anything so far, but it just Yeah. I mean, I understand if you know if you're
7:34drafting and feel nervous about this, anyone anyone listening, I totally get it because he's coming off of this double ACL tear that has really cost him
7:42his NFL career to this point. So, >> yeah. And >> yeah.
7:46>> Yeah. There there was a video of him running today uh on on the side at practice. Looked uh looked good there.
7:53he did, you know, get get a decent amount of work this this offseason and this preseason. So, you know, could could make sense to kind of just I mean,
8:01if they if if they have like a real plan of of playing him quite a bit in week one, maybe maybe just like ease off the
8:08>> ease off the gas a little bit. Um, but we've we we've talked before about how like, yeah, maybe it's not week one that
8:17Brooks gets this like big big workload kind of thing and they just kind of like see how he looks in because there's a
8:22big difference between preseason and regular season NFL games and just kind of ease him in, see see what he's looking like
8:30>> and um and then kind of go from there.
8:33But I do think by, you know, later in the season, midpoint, I I I just think this talent is going to is going to win
8:42out. And and Canalis talked about that today, too. Like, what what are you hoping that Jonathan Brooks brings this year? And he said his versatility showed
8:49up. The film that I remember is a guy who just makes plays in space down the field in the pass game, the screen game,
8:54the home run speed. His ability where once he sets an angle, all of a sudden you see people start turning and realize
9:00he's moving a lot faster than you think he is because he's such a smooth, long strider. It's a factor. It's a pretty
9:06special dynamic in that regard. So, it's the type of explosion that they did not get from Chuba Hubard last year.
9:15>> 100%. And I think, you know, this is one of the reasons I have still been drafting Brooks and have been, you know,
9:21pretty bullish on Brooks most of the summer. When he was going in the 140s and I felt like it was very speculative,
9:27I didn't really chase it then because I, you know, I'm like, this could be a zero again. I don't know what the Panthers
9:32think about it. But as soon as we got confirmation that the Panthers expected him to play a significant role this year
9:40and and then that's kind of moved in a very bullish direction the whole way.
9:43You know, as soon as we got that, I I was in. So, you know, draft him in the 120s really never stopped drafting him
9:50except, you know, when he got there were times where he'd go in like the sixth round and and stuff where I wasn't
9:55taking a ton of them, but he's since fallen again and you can get him back in the in the seventh. Um, I've gotten him
10:02in the late seventh over the the last couple days. And so, you are getting a little bit of a discount on this
10:08soreness, which just for me makes it easier to, you know, not get overly concerned because it's not like he's continuing to rise. You know, if he if
10:17he had made it up to the five, six turn or something and then we were dealing with the soreness, then sure. But he's
10:22actually back down where he was, you know, more like early August now. So, um, yeah, it it there's, you know, it comes with a
10:33little bit of risk obviously if he's not practicing in full, but I think that's more than accounted for with the the
10:38discount if you're getting in the late seven.
10:40>> Yeah, for sure. Back back back down to a more reasonable price. It got very frothy with him going in like the
10:46>> for sure >> 60s sometimes, man.
10:49>> But he he will have a role in the passing game, you know, assuming he's got a significant role. it will include
10:54pass game work and he, you know, that he profiles as a as a dynamic, versatile guy, you know, with with the ability to
11:03have explosive plays. So, um, ultimately, if if he turns into a 1A back, that's not a bad thing. Like, I think we're we're kind of hoping he's
11:14their 1A back down the stretch. It's not, you know, he's not the archetype of a player who needs to consolidate the
11:21entire backfield.
11:23He can be more of a Bucky Irving, you know, or kind of more like what you're hoping for with a bashial tootin or
11:28something where it's like, yeah, he's he's ripping off some some long runs.
11:32He's getting targets. He doesn't have all of it, but um you know, he's got enough. So, I'm still in. Um
11:43another another optimistic guy, Ashton Genty. Um Clint Kubak has uh been asked if he's optimistic. What are what are the reports there?
11:54>> Yes. September 2nd, uh Clint Kubak first was asked, "Hey, what is Ashton Genty status?"
12:02Kubak said he's continuing to improve.
12:05He's still on the mend. And then they asked him a second question about about it, just kind of rephrasing it uh
12:12almost. Uh, are you optimistic about Ashton Genty playing in week one? And then we get this pause followed by a
12:22smile and just yes from from Kubak uh who who does not, you know, just freely
12:31give out actionable coach speak. So, uh, obviously we don't know how reliable his coach beak is yet because we don't, uh,
12:41really have data on that, but just the fact that like this guy is never really giving it out and then he's like pausing
12:49like kind of thinking like do I do I say anything? It's so funny when these coaches are just like pressed a
12:56second time sometimes and just be like, all right, fine. I'm like I don't want to answer different rephrasings of this question.
13:05So yeah, how do I get this fine?
13:07>> Yeah.
13:07>> Yeah. It is such a funny kind of like conflict like the incentives of what the first incentive is like I can't give
13:13away a competitive advantage and the second incentive is like uh this is this sucks. Let me just get this stuff happening. [laughter]
13:22It's uh it's just like short shortterm outlook of of uh [laughter] how do I save myself >> exactly >> the aggravation in the moment.
13:33>> Yes. So I mean that that seems good. It seems like uh you know things have been trending towards him playing for a while
13:41and if he does miss he would be back shortly you know quickly into the season. Um, yeah, it it this all seemed
13:50pretty positive for Genty, which, you know, given how concerning the initial injury was, this this is like truly truly best case
13:59scenario stuff. Um, and he's a guy I've been taking uh, you know, in the in the mid to late second, sometimes even the
14:08early second, you know, that kind of 203 204 range. I I've taken him there, too.
14:12um getting kind of combos that I'm like, "Oh, yeah, this is this is fun." You know, let me get let me get a JSN Genty.
14:18That's fun. You know, that kind of thing. So, uh I am also optimistic myself on on what happens with Genty.
14:25Now, uh the Mike Washington, uh preseason definitely was of note. Uh, but I still think that Genty,
14:36his ability to operate as a receiving game weapon and frankly just being like an otherworldly college prospect compared to Washington, like the
14:45difference in in what those two did in college really is hard to overstate. So, I think it's very likely that Jens is a
14:52better back uh in pretty much every facet. Yeah, I think if if we had seen a 100% healthy Ashton Genty against like
15:02backup >> Yeah, I think we would have liked what we saw.
15:05>> And third string defenses. Yeah, there's there's just a gigantic >> talent gap between those two. And uh
15:15like you're you'd be so like what does Mike Washington Jr. do better than Ashton Genty?
15:22I mean, I think he literally has like a faster 10 yard split, you know, that kind of that kind of thing. Like his
15:28ability to accelerate is probably slightly better, >> but he was like not a good breakaway runner in college. So, >> and Jenty was um I think Yeah, against
15:39real defenses, I suspect that the gap is actually quite clear. Yeah, I I I think considering that like how could Mike
15:50Washington be anything really other than like kind of a breather back for the Raiders?
15:56>> He's sort of Zamir white coated to me, you know? He's a big dude. He gets moving, but I'm not >> Kaylin Bell was a comp. You know, he's
16:06he's very athletic, but I'm not sure how good of a back he ultimately will be. Uh although, you know, he did look cool, so
16:13that was fun.
16:15Um, consistency was the other kind of buzzword today. Mr. Consistency. Who Who in the NFL has now been dubbed by his
16:24head coach Mr. Consistency? Well, Mr.
16:28Steady was Colston Lovelin in this same press conference.
16:32>> Oh my [laughter] god. You didn't tell me there was a Mr. Steady.
16:34>> Yeah, very [laughter] lead on that one.
16:38>> You really did.
16:40>> But first was Mr. consistency. On September 1st, that was uh Ben Johnson talking about Roman Dunay. They asked him what what
16:51has he liked about a Dunay's performance in training camp. Johnson said, "Mr.
16:56Consistency, I know the dialogue about his foot and all that." And yet, you didn't see any setback from that regard.
17:03I thought he looked completely healthy.
17:05I showed a highlight of him cracking a safety in one of the joint practices.
17:10that inspires me to not want to get him the football, but I need to get him the football when I see things like that.
17:18He's doing all the little things, the things that maybe other people don't notice. He's going to be a key cog of
17:25what we do.
17:28Yeah, I I think Odun I I don't have a ton of Odun because I do think that Burden is the number one guy and I think
17:35Loveland is probably probably the number two guy, but I this is an ambiguous target, you know, share sort of
17:43situation, right? And it's also likely to be pretty concentrated.
17:49>> Yeah.
17:50>> I don't think Xavian Thomas, you know, or Khif Raymond or whoever else is going to eat into this a bunch. So
17:57there's a chance that he is the third target and also getting a lot of targets.
18:02>> Mhm.
18:02>> And he has been considerably cheaper than Burden. Um you know even though we're talking about maybe like 15 picks different. It's like the guys that he's
18:12going near it. It's a a big enough difference that I think that Dunay you know I I want more burden. Um and so
18:21I prioritized him even with a price I don't like. But I'm at 6% on on both guys. And it's just, you know, slightly
18:30underweight on both. But I I could really see Odun beating his ADP uh in a way that I I do not want to be out on
18:37even though I like him third best in a vacuum. It's just that the market also likes him third best. And I think
18:44there's enough uncertainty to where uh you know, you you do want to have drafted at least a decent amount. But yeah, I mean, Lovelin is is the one I've
18:54had the most trouble getting because he's he's expensive and I think there's other ways to play tight end, but uh yeah, where where are you at on a Dunay
19:03right now?
19:04>> I I I I agree with you. And as far as like the range he's going in, he's going like right around the like Carnell Tate,
19:12Raandre Stevenson, kind of kind of that area. as far as the receivers, like there's not a ton of guys that you're
19:19like, "Oh, I need to be very heavily invested in these guys." Like Marvin Harrison Jr. is kind of right around that that same area. Um, I do think he's
19:29he's he's like a very good player. I'm I I don't know if he's like quite the game breaker that Luther Burton and
19:38Coloulston Lovelin um are, but like you mentioned, very concentrated offense.
19:44like it's going to be those three pass catchers in the in the passing game.
19:49This is probably a defense that's going to be like pretty bad with all the injuries that they've that they've suffered. Kobe Bryant is out for the
19:57year. Um like who knows if Kyler Gordon plays uh plays at all. Um yeah, so they could be chasing a lot of points this
20:08this season. and uh like Caleb Williams and and Roma Dunes have had like a pretty decent connection when when both of them have have been healthy. So yeah,
20:20I I think Adun will be like third on the in in the pecking order in the pass game there, but I don't think he'll be like a
20:28distant third like like crazy far off.
20:32Uh and like there will just like there should be enough concentration and and pass volume to where yeah he can he can pay
20:41off that ADP.
20:44I also think, you know, when you get in the we've been looking at these types of ADPs and the same sort of situations
20:52have just been thinking about, you know, do I want this guy at this price? And it's it's now been months and months and
21:00months, right? And so, yes, I think over the course of the season, Roma Dunes is probably the third in target share in
21:07Chicago. I don't know that for sure, though. and you it's a pretty big payoff if he's number two instead of number
21:14three given how concentrated it's likely to be. And also if he's number three over the course of the season, he's not number three every
21:21single week, right?
21:22>> And so in something like baseball, you know, he can pop up and be the number one target earner in a given matchup. Um
21:27obviously so and that will probably happen, you know, >> sporadically throughout the season in ways that could end up being the weeks
21:36where you need it, right? So, he's just it's it's not like he's super cheap and you're getting probably the number three
21:44target on the team at like the late fifth, early sixth round price. It's not ideal, but I do think there there's been
21:52some upside there to at least make sure you're not like super underweight on him.
21:56>> Yeah. And and and he does have more of a downfield profile than than Lovelin and Burden. So talk talking about best
22:04baseball and you know the the Caleb likes to make these kind of like superman improvised downfield throws so that matches up pretty well with the
22:14with the doomsday.
22:16>> Yeah, that's true. Um especially well Burden is is tricky. I'm not sure exactly what his role will be but uh
22:24yeah Rome will will see a higher percentage of his targets downfield than than Burden. I think even if Burden does have some some deep stuff mixed in.
22:32>> Uh, all right. You also had thoughts on Mike McDaniel uh talking about Lad Maki.
22:37>> Yeah, Mike McDaniel on September 2nd was asked what jumps out about Lad Manakey that McDaniel did not see on film and
22:46McDaniel said, "You see all the talent.
22:48What's been awesome is how accelerating the process is of coaching him. The coaching point is awesome when he does it exactly that way with talent and
22:57scores a touchdown. So, it's a good marriage in that way. He's very coachable. Football is about fractions of seconds. So, the little nuance stuff
23:06and little details being able to work through that game by game to be able to feature him as a playm m maker is
23:12exciting. And yeah, this just kind of matches up perfectly with what McDaniel has been saying about the offense in general and like Justin Herbert this off
23:24seasonason, how they're changing his footwork uh in order for him to fire the ball off quicker after the snap this year and and and what we know about how
23:35intricate and complex these Mike McDaniel um uh offensive schemes are, you know, putting these guys in in in motion.
23:44and just kind of maximizing the space that they have. Uh when when you hear stuff about this uh the way that he's
23:51talked about Justin Herbert and then the way that that he's talking about Lad Mani, it really just does seem like a
23:57perfect marriage because Maki is so good. And when you know McDaniel talking about the nuances and these fractions of seconds I think between Herbert and
24:07Manki like that that is such a great mesh like such a perfect mesh uh between those two and then obviously Mike
24:14McDaniel. So I I think we could see like a like there are scenarios where we get just like a nuclear season from Vlad
24:21Makoni.
24:22>> I agree. I think Vlad Makoni is really good. Um, I think that, you know, last year he was less efficient than Quinton
24:32Johnston, but it was in the context of this offense really struggling at times and uh them dealing with the offensive line issues and kind of being a mess at
24:43points and Omarian Hampton has kind of gotten like the treatment of, hey, this this year wasn't really reflective of of what we can expect from this guy going
24:52forward. Makanki has to some extent, but I think he's priced in a range where there's still a lot of upside if
25:00the offense rebounds and then McDaniel has him as a focal point of the offense, which I would expect. I mean, it's one
25:08of the I haven't I haven't taken a ton of Maki because there's a lot of players right around that 34 turn that I like.
25:15Um, and so I am underweight, but he is one that makes me nervous to have not prioritized this summer. Um because on
25:22the one hand it's like okay he's not definitely you know going to be this clear number one. They've got uh Johnston who they've talked a lot about
25:33using you know his yak ability. Trey Harris should have a bigger role. They do have a Ronda Gatson who might be a
25:39healthy scratch to start the year but like at one point we're like well that's a passcatching tight end you got to
25:44worry about. Uh they're probably going to throw some to Hampton. They're going to throw some to Kolar and Jooko whoever is actually playing tight end. It's like
25:50how concentrated is this to the one? And you've got, you know, guys like Wadd where it seems like he's going to be the
25:57clear number one. Flowers looks like he's going to be the clear number one.
26:01Um, you know, there's Garrett Wilson, I mean, obviously he's on the Jets, but like that dude's going to dominate target share. So, you know, there's that
26:09that element of it, but the upside for Maki, I do agree, is is super high. like he and it it's just gonna be one of
26:17those ones in retrospect where it's like yeah McDaniel had Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Wadd and the entire offense ran through them but mostly through Hill cuz he's
26:27better than Waddle and who's better between Vlad Mccunki and Quinton Johnson like who's better you [laughter] know do we have to pretend or do Yeah.
26:38>> Yeah. So, it is one of those ones where I I wish I had more.
26:44Now, I've drafted a lot of teams and as we talked about, I'm going to be drafting more soon. So, >> you got a chance. Yeah, still chance%
26:52tonight.
26:52>> I honestly [laughter] might.
26:54>> Yeah, I'm going to be taking some Maki today. I'll tell you that. Um uh another guy I I have taken a lot of
27:01actually and I've been in on him for a while um is is Ted Hurst. and you you highlighted him as as someone that uh
27:11Jason Light was was talking positively about.
27:13>> Yeah. Tampa Bay Buccaneers general manager Jason Light on September 1st talked about a couple players. First, they asked him who is the Bucks go-to
27:23receiver now with Mike Evans gone. Light said, "We have a lot of options at that.
27:27I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Chris Godwin for all that he's done for this organization." Talk about being a consistent, steady Mr. clutch player.
27:37That's him. He looks very, very good out there right now. We got We've gotten a lot of Mr. Clutch, Mr. Consistency, Mr.
27:43Steady quotes like from coaches and general manager. It's something in the water.
27:47>> Too much mister. What's going on with this mister thing? [laughter] >> Yeah, >> I'm not a big fan.
27:52>> Maybe it was one of these memos that that league sent out or something. Yeah.
27:56Please, please listen refer your players as Mr. Something. All right.
28:04>> [laughter] >> Mr. Steady and Mr. Consistency are just like, "What's happening? What's going on?"
28:11>> You you get a wide receiver room comprised of a Mr. Steady, a Mr. Clutch, and a Mr. Consistency. Now you're
28:18cooking. All right. Maybe maybe the Bears should trade for Chris.
28:22>> Like these guys all getting together and watching Reservoir Dogs. Like what's happening? [laughter] What are we doing?
28:30>> The players are arguing. I I want to be Mr. Clutch. No, no, no. You're Mr.
28:34Consistency. [laughter] Uh, by the way, we're not tipping this waitress. Um, yeah. Jason Light was asked about Ted Hurst growth and has he
28:46picked up faster with Jaylen McMillan and Amecha Eggbuka missing time. Light said that certainly helped him. After we drafted him, I thought this is a great
28:55situation for him to be behind these guys and learn. may not make a big impact for us this year, but one for the
29:02future. But I think he's proven to us throughout camp and even OTAAS that he's been very very steady. And I think it's
29:10kind of evolved into >> I didn't call him Mr. Steady.
29:12>> He didn't he didn't [laughter] he did not call him Mr. Steady. That's a little bearish. That's a just a regular just a
29:18regular young steady >> young upand cominging steady. Uh his father was Mr. Steady. You can call him Steady.
29:25>> He's Mr. Steady. My father.
29:27>> Yeah.
29:29uh he's been very very steady and I think it's kind of evolved into okay, we can use him this year and he's going to
29:35play a role.
29:38>> Yeah. I mean that's pretty good. like third round. One of the things I I looked into or that jumped out to me
29:43when I looked into the rookie wide receivers is from a dynasty perspective, you know, we've gotten some nice hits out of the third round, but looking at
29:52back at the best ball results, it's not been as great in year one for some of these third round guys and and even guys
30:00like Ano Collins who has this monster breakout. um you know, from a dynasty perspective, you wanted to be drafting Nico Collins in your rookie drafts, but
30:09didn't really do a lot as a rookie. Um and so the third round guys just historically haven't had the immediate
30:18impact of the second round guys, which you know, it could be. There's certainly some noise in that, but it did make me
30:26think like, yeah, you we need to be at least aware that we could be getting a Jaylen Hyatt, you know, when we're drafting
30:35these third round guys. And it it made me um seeing any kind of immediate role stuff
30:44around Ted Hurst or any third round pick like, you know, Jacobe Lane as well.
30:50That that I think is really bullish.
30:53like it is not a given um that that these guys establish themselves with any kind of role in their rookie seasons.
31:00And so that has has changed my view, you know, on Lane in a big way who looks like a starter out of the gate, but
31:07Hurst, too. I mean, I think he's going to have a role this year. I mean, the GM is saying that he will and he was given
31:13an opportunity they probably didn't expect him to have in training camp and he he looks really impressed. So, I love Ted Hurst as a late round pick. I think,
31:22you know, he's been intriguing. I kind of cooled off at one point because I thought I was probably taking too much,
31:28but then, you know, with with him impressing in in training camp and fitting quite naturally at X for a team that probably is going to have to
31:37play Jaylen McMillan there who's not as natural a fit at X. Uh I'm I'm I'm excited to have over 20% Hurst right
31:44now.
31:45>> Yeah. And I think with where they're both going right now, you know, Hurst is going past pick like I think like 203 or
31:52209, something like that. Jaylen McMillan is going like 170ish. Uh I think this is a situation where you
32:01could take both of those guys in drafts and you know you're >> I've started drafting a little McMillan because he is so cheap now. Yeah, he
32:09will just fall and fall.
32:10>> And and like it's it's easy to forget about how they talked about Jaylen McMillan in his rookie year. Like he was
32:20destroying in training camp. Like they loved what they saw out of him. And then like when he was healthy and able to
32:27play, like he looked pretty good. Like he he ended up missing a decent amount of time with injuries. uh than like last
32:35year he broke his neck and then still came back and earned targets like almost right away when he came back. Uh so for
32:44him I think it's just like kind of a health thing but like he hasn't been able to stay super healthy and now some
32:50of that is fluky, right? Like the broken neck thing that's not that's not like a oh this guy's injury prone. He's he's
32:56he's out here breaking his neck. Um >> he's got a skinny neck. Have you seen him?
33:03>> Yeah. little pencil neck. He's got 20 He's on Draft Sharks. 20% chance.
33:10>> Oh, no.
33:11>> To to miss games because of his neck.
33:15>> Yeah, [laughter] >> he's got to do more of these guys, you know, get them.
33:19>> Come on. Come on, Jim. [laughter] >> Yeah, I I agree. It's not uh it's not predictable. And uh and he looks healthy
33:27now. So, it's more like to me I think he's he looks potentially a little bit squeezed because Godwin's going to be in
33:34the slot. Ibuka is going to be in the Z and then I think McMillan's going to be in the X to the extent that Hurst isn't
33:41playing. But if Hurst is playing, he will play X. Like that's what his job is, right?
33:46>> And and so I think McMillan is the first one to see his routes impacted by by Hurst. So this is not good news for him.
33:54However, I mean, they could they played some TZ Johnson last year. You obviously you have, you know, Godwin wasn't wasn't playing that well last year um off off
34:04of his injury. I dealt with this toe thing. You know, maybe that could flare back up. Like there are ways where
34:10McMillan just kind of sees work over the course of the season and he's getting now like real cheap at the end of drafts
34:17and stuff. So, I think if you're kind of thinking of him as like a a dark throw at the very end, he makes sense. I I
34:25haven't drafted a lot of him because I I just been nervous about the floor where he was going before, but the price has
34:30dropped enough where I think you can kind of you can kind of mix him in and like the same like I you know, he's not
34:36going that far ahead of like a Demario Douglas or you know, something like that. Like, >> you know, you're you're mixing these
34:41guys in uh hoping for for a few weeks here and there, not like a steady role.
34:46>> Yeah. Yeah. And that and that's a point in in drafts now where where you get to the 200s and it's this barren wasteland.
34:54>> Totally.
34:55>> Because like people, you know, roles are kind of more defined now. We've seen more from these guys. So dudes like
35:03Jacobe Lane who very early in the offseason were going to the final round.
35:06Like they're going way earlier than that. guys like Chris Bell who just like three weeks ago was going in the final
35:12round or undrafted like going going in the like 180ish >> range. So it you get to those like last
35:21two rounds and it's Taekquin Thornton uh who I've taken a decent amount of uh Ted Hurst like maybe Rashad Baitman is there
35:32Xavier Leette. It's like who who am I taking here? Not even fancy zeros, just ugly possible zeros.
35:42>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I I'm completely with you at that point. Um, so yeah, last note you had here was on
35:50EMTT Johnson, which I think is a fun one. Um, he looks to have locked up that number two job pretty clearly. Amari de
35:59Marcato is now a cowboy. Um, and so it's like, you know, they've got Bashard Smith. Uh, but uh it seems like Emma
36:09Johnson is, you know, the clear rushing uh handcuff now, but uh you had a note on uh his pass protection, which would
36:20be a pretty important part of him being able to play more. Andy Reid on September 2nd was asked, "What has stood
36:27out about EMTT Johnson the last few weeks?" Reed said pass protection. We knew he could run the ball, but the thing we had to see was the pass
36:37protection. For him to be the number two back, you've got to be able to do that.
36:41He's a smart kid. He's willing to stick it up in there. He did a nice job with it. Maybe work on your phrasing.
36:50>> Great. That's a true phrasing moment.
36:52>> Stick it up in there.
36:53>> Phrasing. [laughter] Truly phrasing.
37:00Like why it you know what I mean? Like he's >> But a lot a lot of these coaches will say stick his face up in there which
37:08isn't isn't much better.
37:10>> It is better though.
37:12>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Too much too much ambiguity. Like stop leaving it to our minds to fill in what it is.
37:19>> Like you know we're not good at that.
37:21>> Yeah. [laughter] Oh my god.
37:26Well that's good. But I'm glad he's sticking it up in there. And uh I'm glad Reed likes the way he's sticking it up in there. It's all
37:34very bullish for EMTT Johnson. I took Emtt Johnson earlier today. Um I think he's uh >> what round >> late, you know, I forget 14th, something
37:44like that.
37:45>> Um but yeah, I mean I think he he's moved up quickly. You know, people are uh obviously >> excited that he is the number two back
37:56there. So, um, you know, he's moved up, but I think on teams where you you are going zero running back, and I tell you
38:04what, I've actually drafted more zero running back teams, uh, in the last couple days, like just straight up five like five wide receivers off the rip
38:14kind of kind of stuff. Um, which has been fun. Uh, so, you know, with those types of builds where you're you're like
38:23hunting for guys who can who can deliver upside later in the year, um, I think he he makes a lot of sense. I've done stuff
38:32where you take like a Marshon Lloyd and you know maybe Jakory Kroski Merritt and uh and then you're just then I've did
38:42like Jonah Coleman and you know I think Emma Johnson fits great on a team like that where it's probably more contingent
38:48but you know you end up maybe with like a a Helani or a Chimera or something kind of gross that way plus a Lloyd plus
38:58maybe like a an Aaron Jones, something like that. But you're like, who can who could be like a guy in the in the
39:05playoffs? And I I do think Emma Johnson has potential at this point. Um, again, mostly contingent, but if they're talking him up as a pass protector,
39:16that's that's pretty strong for his ability to stay ahead of Bashard Smith the whole season, which, you know, is important.
39:23>> Yeah. there, man. You you can build some really really nice uh zero RB teams like with with the with the first like four
39:33rounds of receivers when you're kind of in that first, you know, four, fiveish picks where you get uh I was helping a
39:41buddy do a basketball millionaire the other day and we started Jamar Chase, uh Nico Collins, Drake London, Tedoroa McMillan.
39:51It's like that that feels pretty good if you're able to to kind of fill out the the running.
39:57>> Jamar Chase, Nico Collins, >> and who?
40:00>> Drake London.
40:01>> Drake London >> and and Tedo McMillan.
40:05>> Yeah, that's pretty awesome, man.
40:06>> And then then you can get guys like Chris Rodriguez at like 130, >> Ka Spears, kind of in that 145ish range.
40:16>> Yeah. Yeah. And I think that, you know, there's enough guys now like if you don't get this is the problem I think
40:23with with the zero running back stuff early in the summer. It's it's not that it wasn't doable. I mean, Marshon Lloyd
40:29was sitting down there who, you know, those teams are better than I assumed they would be at that time. Um, but
40:35there weren't like a ton of guys. And so if you didn't get the guy, you know, you could end up being in a situation where
40:43it's like, well, I'm going to have to take a chance on I guess I'll have to take a chance on Jaden Blue, you know.
40:51It's like, well, that didn't work, you know? So, I think just there being like enough players where you don't get, you know, every single one of them,
41:00you're still okay. Like a Malik Davis has now popped up. Um, >> yeah.
41:04>> You good with JSN here or you want to do Caffrey?
41:07Well, we can do Jason.
41:09>> Let's do Jason.
41:11Um, so anyway, yeah, I think uh like I in this draft I did earlier, I took a
41:20Jonah Coleman and then uh maybe a Dylan Samson and then I and then Brian Robinson like fell all the way back to
41:27me. And so there's, yeah, again, there's just like enough guys where the whole draft isn't dependent on like this one player falling to you. Uh, and Johnson
41:38is is clearly a part of that group. Now, I got a got a super chat question here.
41:46Let me pull it up.
41:48I was just offered either KD or Concaid and Pickins for London in Dynasty and don't know which tight end to take or
41:57just want the best for the next two to three years. So London versus I think I would do Pickins and Concaid for London.
42:07Yeah, if if if you're just picking between those two tight ends uh in dynasty for the next two or three years,
42:12like this might be the last year of George KD. Um at at I mean, we don't even know how he's going to look this
42:21year. Like I do think he'll be he'll be ready for for week one, but like what's his efficiency going to be? How healthy
42:27is he going to be able to make it throughout the entire season? and then projecting that forward like two or three years like might might not be in
42:35the league in two years.
42:36>> Yeah.
42:39Um appreciate uh appreciate the uh been some nice comments of of people, you
42:47know, uh saying they've enjoyed the uh the content this year and uh have appreciated you guys hanging out with us all summer.
42:58>> [snorts] >> Um, we're going to we're going to hopefully ship it with this with this last draft here, Greg. That'd be pretty nice.
43:05Pretty nice.
43:08So, the second rounds we're looking at Walker, Han, Genty potentially. I would be psyched to get any of those backs.
43:18Walker goes uh Henry pops up as the third recommendation. I'd be fine with Henry as well here. Uh, I haven't drafted a ton of Henry. Uh, but
43:28>> at this price, I I'd be I'd be good with it.
43:32>> If we got to take the big dog, I guess.
43:37All right, let's go.
43:40>> Are you Han, Genty? What What's jumping out to you here?
43:43>> Oh, man. They're going to make us pick here, huh?
43:46>> They are.
43:48>> Honestly, I think I'm Genty.
43:50>> I'm good with Genty, man.
43:55Jenty could be anything. Even Devon Chan could be anything. Even Mr. Consistency.
44:04>> Yeah.
44:06Mr. Optimism they're calling [laughter] him Kubak is he's something else, man.
44:16His his his sly little grin he gave.
44:22Somebody asking if I'm from San Antonio.
44:25No, I never played for the Spurs.
44:29I have thought about maybe like putting on some some warm-up pants going down to San Antonio, getting some like stilts, putting on a
44:39a um Manu Ginobi jersey.
44:42>> Yeah, I was about to say you kind you you have a little Ginobi to you. You could you could pull off Ginobi. I think
44:48>> I could do it. until they until they make me shoot a free throw.
44:55>> I literally I just Googled as you were setting that up. I googled Genovi. I was like, is this headed toward Genobi?
45:02So, I'm looking right at him.
45:04>> Yeah.
45:04>> Like, yeah, there's Genobi.
45:06>> Yeah, >> you could definitely. Have you done Gobbi for Halloween at any point?
45:10>> I have not. Nobody in LA knows who Manu Genobbi is. Nobody in France.
45:14>> Yeah, you'd have you'd have to visit uh San Antonio for Halloween.
45:18>> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Be hilarious to be on stilts. Dude, that would be a hilarious costume though.
45:26Like to actually wear stilts. [laughter] >> Yeah.
45:29>> I'm on a >> like do I do do I do I do accurate stilts to make me gobby's height or do I
45:35do do I do like crazy like crazy like novelty size?
45:42>> Yeah. Like I didn't realize Genobbly was 9 foot8.
45:45>> Yeah. Yes. Yes.
45:50Like 13 foot gobbly is kind of what I'm picturing. [laughter] >> Slender Man Genobi.
45:56>> Slender Man.
45:57>> Yeah, just out in the woods.
45:59>> Yeah, that's what I'm picturing for sure.
46:15Wendy with a Genople mask.
46:31Wow. This is this is faced with a lot of decisions here >> indeed. Well, McBride goes, which is a bummer. That would have been a good one
46:42for sure.
46:45Um, Kairen top of the sidekick, then Jeremiah Love, ETN Hall.
46:53There's a lot of a lot of guys we could go. Makanki goes ahead of our pick here.
46:57What jumps out to you here? Oh man. Um, I think like Love would be the running back.
47:07that I would maybe target here. But like I could also go receiver here if we want to do that >> flowers. We could do Yeah, if you want
47:15to do flowers just uh >> go a little bit of a different path here.
47:19>> Yeah. And there's a possibility that a certain >> fella can make it back to us >> in the fourth.
47:31It's happened. It's been happening.
47:33>> It has happened.
47:35Yeah.
47:37I kind of I kind of like that because in the fifth we could be looking at at Lamar potentially uh for if we can get to two and two two
47:46running backs, two wide receivers, I feel pretty good about Lamar. I'm surprised that Jeremiah Love has not slipped down in drafts more than he has
47:55over the last few weeks with reports of like, oh, he's he's like 5050 for week one and then the like
48:05back field with Tyler Algier kind of comments and speculation that we've been getting.
48:11>> I agree. I mean, it's been a little strange because, you know, Bree has fallen so much on on a more minor
48:19injury. Love I'm I'm more concerned about to start the year. Uh, so I I I do agree. I wish he was more at
48:29that three, four turn consistently or even the in the fourth because fourth round love would it's one of those things where it's like, why aren't you
48:37giving me fourth round love a price I would make fun of you for, >> right? [laughter] Right.
48:43>> A price I would say is super inefficient and shouldn't exist. [laughter] >> Why Why won't you give me that?
48:48>> Yeah.
48:50I wonder if we should take Jeremiah Love here in the middle of the third. Why is he not going in the fourth? [laughter]
48:58>> Exactly.
49:02All right. We're not too far away.
49:05Get the board up here actually. Oh, there goes love.
49:12There goes Greece.
49:14>> Come on.
49:16>> Seriously killing us.
49:20>> I've been taking some ETN with uh you know his price dropping and then Chimera is not healthy and >> yeah, ETN in the fourth is very nice.
49:29>> I I agree.
49:32Not nice enough that you got to take it in the next three picks, but I think right around the 47 is
49:38>> the 407's I think efficient. Any earlier >> I think you got to take him.
49:42>> Oh, God damn it.
49:43>> This idiot. [laughter] >> JK. JK.
49:52Where you at on Scataboo these days?
49:56Trying not to catch him.
49:59Catch what? What? diseases.
50:02>> I say, are you up to date on your shots?
50:06>> I'm scatted up.
50:09>> Oh god. [laughter] >> I do think I'd be T-Mac here though.
50:14>> Oh, Sims are in your head, dude.
50:16>> Or Whoa.
50:17>> Whoa, dude. [laughter] >> The berberries are schnazberries >> and the Sims taste like Sims. Blow your
50:29mind, bro.
50:39>> All right. I like this team, man.
50:41>> Oh, yeah.
50:41>> JSN, Genty Flowers, T-Mac potentially looking at at Lamar here or
50:51a running back. I think uh you know, obviously Bernerbuk could get back. They they'd be real sweet in the middle of
50:57the fifth. They probably won't, but these running backs. Um, and then Lamar.
51:02See, the Sims are in my head. I knew I knew if I scrolled down I'd find Lamar right behind the the running backs we
51:07like. So, yeah, this looks like pretty clearcut. We go. Huge value on Ibuka or running back or Lamar.
51:16Yeah, Ibuka gone.
51:20Some very good running back in the fifth options. Where you at on Jadarian Price?
51:27I'm I'm definitely, you know, reasonably in on price. I don't He makes me a little nervous compared like I like Tootin more still. Um,
51:38I probably even like Judkins more, but you know, my concern with him is that if Charbanet comes back, we we're dealing
51:47with a guy who did his best work actually maybe in the middle of the season >> and, you know, is now splitting with
51:53Charbanet who is kind of designed to be annoying from a high touch high value touch perspective, right? He's going to get
52:02passing game work. he's probably going to get goal line work. And so that's that's where I'm at with Price where it's more like I like him after those
52:10other guys go. Uh but I do like him in the kind of mid to late fifth as long as there's not a back that I like better.
52:18But I I do I mean like Bucky I clearly like better.
52:23Um and then Tootton I think I still like better as well.
52:30He's two ahead of us. have a have a pair of running backs already and they're not.
52:43Oh, this one might be sidekicking it, but I don't think this guy is [laughter] James Cook at 105.
52:54>> Probably not.
52:57>> The James Cook at 105 drafter does not seem like a big Bucky guy.
53:02We'll see. I mean, the Bucks do have a good offensive line, you know. Oh, Stevenson. What was I thinking? Bucky.
53:10>> Bucky.
53:11>> It's It's too late in the summer for us to be getting Bucky this cheap, right?
53:14>> It is.
53:15>> It doesn't make any sense.
53:20>> Bucky.
53:21>> He's the stud sandwich.
53:23>> The stud. That's what they call him.
53:25>> Yeah. Zack Robin.
53:26>> You know what they call him?
53:28>> Mr. Mr. Stud Sandwich. [laughter] Dude, if a coach called a player Mr.
53:38Stud Sandwich, how high do you think his ADP would rise?
53:42>> I mean, it would I think Gibbs and Bejon are so locked in that 103 is the earliest he [laughter] could get to,
53:51but I would say 103 is is on the table.
53:55You get you get the social media team putting out graphics of Mr.
54:00Stud Sandwich.
54:06>> Toutin is Leberucky says Toutin is so much worse of a football player, lol.
54:10Than who?
54:11>> I think this was leg that is funny. Tooten was a college workhorse. I mean, I think Toutin can play. I feel confident about that. I'm
54:20actually not sure how good Price is. I'm optimistic he's good, but that's part of my thing. It's hard to say anything with
54:27real confidence about Price because he was literally a college backup.
54:35>> He was a backup to a very very good >> Well, yes. Yes. No, I think it's possible he's like way better than
54:43Toutin.
54:44>> Yeah.
54:44>> But I also think it's possible he's like clearly worse than Toutin, >> right?
54:48>> There's a there's a real wide range here. It's just hard to be like, I know with certainty anything about Jadarian
54:53Price. I mean, he he tours Achilles, right, before he ever played a game with Notre Dame. And then they go out and
54:59they get Love. Well, you know, the guy they they thought would be their their starter, the future suffered an Achilles tear. You can't count on anything from
55:07him going forward. So, they get Love.
55:09Then Price comes back. Love is there, you know, in his sophomore season.
55:14Love's freshman season, and they're both behind Audrey Esté. Love is love. That's another thing. They kind of broke badly for Price where it it's not just they
55:23went out and got love, but he's Jeremiah Love. That sucks for him. And then he has to back him up for the next two
55:29years. So, you know, it could he could be a star.
55:33Like, he absolutely could be a star who just kind of was in a bad spot in college. Drake, let's do it. Um,
55:40at the same time, he could also be like first round Roshan Johnson, you know, like this a pretty low floor on on like a guy
55:52who wasn't a college starter. Uh, so yeah, broke out the uh
56:02the mid 2000s McLemore love is love messaging.
56:09Love [snorts] is pretty good, man. Yeah, love sticks it up in there.
56:18I knew you were going to say Roshan.
56:20Should I beat you to it? I just have to think. You have to admit there's a low floor with Price. Like clearly has a low
56:26floor. Definitely when Charbanet comes back. Yeah, that's that's that's the scariest thing to me is that
56:37where where are you when I need you most? You know, this is the like a reverse footprints in the sand kind of
56:46situation.
56:49We start out >> what's [laughter] the reverse? Is the reverse that you didn't get carried or that you just see footprints and a guy?
56:54>> We start We start out with one set of footprints and then Charbanet comes back and then we got two sets.
57:01>> You know what the reverse is? That there's three sets of footprints.
57:06>> Not three.
57:07>> Who's the third person?
57:08>> Yeah. [laughter] >> I thought it was just me and you, Jay Dog. [laughter] >> Yeah. What? Who's this third person?
57:18What's going on? Oh, that's Charbanet.
57:20Yeah, I know. He's gonna be >> my buddy Zack. [laughter] >> Yeah, he's gonna actually You probably should have drafted Zack. [laughter]
57:38>> Three sets would really throw you, huh?
57:41That's a That's a different That's a different twist on that story.
57:49That's that's how I want coaches to start referring to to their back fields.
57:55Is it a workhorse? Is it a a three footprint situation? How many how many footprints we got in this back field?
58:04>> Don't No. Then they're all going to start doing it and suddenly we have Mr.
58:07Footprints.
58:08>> Mr. [laughter] Footprint.
58:12>> It's no good. Jonathan Brooks, top of the sidekick here. Um, if he makes it one more pick, are you good with that?
58:18>> I'd be good with it. You feeling optimistic? I'm feeling very optimistic.
58:22>> All right, beautiful. I think this guy here, James Cook, Cam Scataboo, Randre Stevenson. Yeah, he stays out of our way
58:28with Brooks.
58:30Let's do it. Hell yeah.
58:38footprint index [laughter] price ceiling is just as high as
58:47loves. Uh some would say legendary upside as a first round or a Super Bowl champ. I think pretty clearly he does
58:54not have legendary upside or really even close but um he's just not gonna have enough receiving. But he goes in the
59:03fifth round or sometimes sixth round. I mean, the other thing I should say is like I was drafting a ton of Price
59:09pre-draft. You get him in the ninth round.
59:11>> Like I I'm not out on the idea of Price being an awesome pick at a certain price, but >> like look look who he went ahead of
59:21here.
59:22>> You you just want to keep it in perspective. Like he was a first round pick, but in kind of a dumb way, you
59:28know, it's the last pick of the first round. They don't take care of running back. Um it's a two running back class.
59:35And this is kind of poor team planning by the Seahawks as much as like some huge, you know, endorsement of him.
59:45And obviously it's good he went in the first round, but first round running back is a little complimentary to Jadarian Price when that like includes
59:55guys like Bjan Robinson and Jeremiah Love, >> right?
59:59>> Yeah. Yeah. Let's put an asterisk, >> a little bit of an asterisk on that >> on first round >> from the upside perspective. Like he's a
60:06he's he looks more like, you know, a two down guy, probably a committee runner to start his career. There is upside. He
60:13can definitely pay off his his current price. Even this 412 price, he can totally pay that off. Uh but yeah, I I don't buy that. He's got,
60:24you know, season changing kind of upside. Blake Cororum. Let's go.
60:31>> Love this price on Cororum. Speaking of prices, some great standalone value. Uh
60:41obviously maybe the best kind of contingent value of of running backs.
60:51Really good offense.
60:53Get these like speculative reports that he might be, you know, 5050 or like 1A. I don't know.
61:03I don't know if I really believe 1A, but I think um could definitely see the kind of drive for drive stuff that we saw.
61:11>> Yeah.
61:12>> Kind of near the end of last season.
61:14>> I think so, too. I mean, I think um Cororm has some of the clearest cut contingent value of any running back in
61:23a in a way of like not just we know it would be him, but he would potentially be like, you know, a second round pick
61:28kind of value. Um, but I do think he can be the lead runner. Maybe not the whole year, but I think he can emerge as the
61:38lead runner >> the back half of the season or whatever.
61:41I mean, he was like surprisingly explosive. Yeah. last season, which I you know the I guess the the like
61:52injuries that he the that he dealt with in in college and and like coming off that injury I believe in his final year
61:59like didn't look super explosive as a runner and and I think maybe the the injury stuff kind of explains that. But
62:07then last year, you know, kind of fully healthy looked quite good. And so if we're just seeing that on a consistent basis, week to
62:17week, like Shawn Shawn McVey has no problem kind of handing the keys over more often to to whoever is uh is giving
62:28them a better chance at winning.
62:31>> Yeah. I mean, this team has Super Bowl aspirations and they're going to have one of the best defenses in a long time
62:38potentially. Um, and so I mean, positive game script's going to be there for sure. Uh, they also passed a ton around
62:48the goal line. I wonder, you know, how much that shifts? We could see a lot of rushing touchdowns.
62:54Uh, >> Lemon >> Lemon, man, let's go.
63:00Did you see that video of a a guy who looks like Mai Lemon being weird at a at a restaurant?
63:05>> No.
63:06There was some fake Mai Lemon FUD that went around of like look at this dude.
63:12He's like listening to music like a It's like a like kind of thing. Yeah.
63:19>> He's just like [laughter] >> and they're like this guy man.
63:23>> It's like dude Lemon what a weirdo. But it's like not Mai Lemon [laughter] some other guy.
63:30Dude, when he came back to practice and he's doing the little like foot little foot thing that they do with the like
63:38grid that they've got laid out on the ground.
63:42>> He's doing the like quick toe tapping stuff.
63:45>> That looked insane, man. That looked like prime Michael Flattley out there. I would say we've the hardest
63:55that we have like of all players, we have the most weak one brain on Mai Lemon.
64:01>> Like this guy was a truly awesome uh prospect and he's going to be a starter out of the slot day one, but like
64:10because he's like behind Wix in two wide receiver sets, we he's in the ninth round.
64:19Luther Burton was behind and actually behind Olita Zakius and was about 10 picks cheaper. [laughter] Like what are we doing?
64:34>> Well, >> yeah.
64:37>> I I think we could do it at this >> I think we do >> at this price here.
64:41>> Yeah.
64:41>> Yeah.
64:42>> Someone asked for a final prediction on the Jacob situation.
64:47uh >> probably six games, right?
64:49>> Probably six games. I think I would expect that we see a six game suspension.
64:53Um but that he does play this year at this point given that he was able to move up his trial date. Drew Davenport
65:00talked about that being uncommon and he seemed more optimistic uh that we get Jacobs playing this year as a result
65:10of that trial date moving up, which probably indicates that, you know, they're working towards a plea. I think the NFL basically through Sher was like,
65:19you have to get this wrapped up if you want to play this year.
65:23>> And then he we've seen, you know, something pretty damn actionable for getting this resolved.
65:30>> What are the by-weeks that we have on the other running backs?
65:35>> Cory weeks, we've got uh 13, 10,
65:41uh 11, and five. Okay.
65:47>> So, not so bad. Uh, we'll have most of these guys. I mean, I could see Jacobs getting hit with an eightgame suspension
65:55as well. It's not I don't I don't have a ton of confidence in sixth. And and I would I think there's a chance he
66:02doesn't play this year still where this just kind of drags on and on. He can't get the court system to cooperate and
66:07the NFL is not willing to let him play until there's a resolution.
66:11So it still comes with risk but >> but they the his team is the one that pushed to to get this court date sooner.
66:20Right.
66:21>> Correct. Correct. And and like right after talk from sheer about um I don't see how this gets resolved until after this
66:31court date which would have been 10 weeks into the se his court date his and its initial appearance. So, it's like,
66:38you know, potentially nothing would have resolved uh at that point anyway.
66:44So, seems to me like the NFL was was telling him to to get a move on with the the case because he's going to get
66:52suspended before he plays and they're not going to suspend him until they have something to definitive to suspend him on.
67:06Uh, all right. This is a choice I've been faced with so often.
67:12>> I'm good with either guy. Uh >> what what are your thoughts?
67:17>> I'd be I'd be good with either guy or Chris Rodriguez, I think, would be another possible option.
67:24>> I think we we want like the more steady option. The steadiest option is who I think we go with.
67:31>> All right, Rashad. Yeah, let's do Rashad White because I what I the the thing with Rodriguez is he might be like a terrible
67:41pick.
67:43>> Um but I he could also be an awesome pick. Yeah, >> you could get the Jaguar starter, >> but on a team like this where we have,
67:50you know, we have Jacobs as we just took on a lot of risk there, but if it works, it's going to, you know, he he's going
67:57to play a bunch down the stretch. And uh we also have Cororm who's more of a home run swing. We have Brooks who's more of
68:04a later season swing. So to me that the purpose of this pick here was like steady Eddie production.
68:11Um I think I think White and Jones fit that better than Rodriguez.
68:20>> Yeah. What what what do you think the the range of outcomes is for for Rashad White?
68:28I think at a minimum he's going to have a passcatching role uh that can be helpful in PPR
68:36and then I think he has the potential to pick up the slack if JCM disappoints. if he's just not a consistent runner, if
68:46he's getting stuffed in short yardage, I think I think White could have like a a pretty nice high value touch role where
68:54he's getting receptions and short yardage work um over the course of the year, you know, as well. I think you could it's it's not
69:03entirely implausible for Bill to get phased out and you have but you probably have Kron picking up some of the slack
69:09in that kind of real downside outcome for Bill. So, I I don't think White has massive upside, but I do think he could
69:17he could be helpful on a team like this, >> dog. Let's take Jordan Tyson.
69:21>> Dude, should we just win $3 million?
69:26>> For for a while, I was thinking [sighs] like, let's get second. I'd like for one of mine to win the $3 million, but
69:35you know, kind kind of way that this is going like, all right, >> it's like, yeah, >> I'll take second. one and a half a bit.
69:45I like how you're rooting against our team because you don't want to split it.
69:52I' I've already thought about scenarios where [laughter] where like where where we have one and I have one and then I have like another
70:01one with with a maybe like Tom Everett Scott, right? And we're like we're all together watching these and and sweating these
70:09in. Like how how much do you celebrate when something good happens for your solo team? How much do you celebrate with the other guy when something good
70:17happens uh for your for [snorts] for for the team that you share?
70:23Like really putting the card before the great the great the great thing about uh counting all your eggs before they hatch
70:32is like you know exactly how many chickens you're going to have.
70:37>> I do like the idea of stress sweating.
70:40Like you're like, "Oh man, like it's gonna be tough when I'm sweating." like my personal $3 million sweat versus the one I have with Tom Everett Scott. Like,
70:49is he going to be offended if I'm overtly sweating mine over our shared sweat? [laughter] Uh, >> it's a good problem to have, you know.
71:02>> I'll take it. I'll deal with it.
71:04>> So, Bryce Young pops up here. We've got two Panthers. We only have one quarterback. Yeah, we got >> I think he makes a lot of sense for the
71:12team.
71:13>> Gotta pull the trigger on our short king.
71:15>> Let's do it.
71:17So, at this point, for the audio listeners, we are through round 13.
71:23We've got two quarterbacks, six running backs, five wide receivers. Have not drafted a tight end yet. The sidekick now flooded with tight end options. But
71:30the running backs are Ashton Genty, Bucky Irving, Jonathan Brooks, Blake Cororm, Josh Jacobs, and Rashad White.
71:38at quarterback Drake May who is unstacked. Uh but we'll see. Maybe we'll do a little late tack on there. Um and
71:47then Bryce Young, who we have with McMillan and Jonathan Brooks at receiver, JSN, Z Flowers, Tedro McMillan, Mai Lemon, and Jordan Tyson.
71:57This team is super fun.
72:00>> I love it.
72:04I've already come to grips that none of my teams are winning that 3M.
72:08>> [clears throat] >> You're devastated by how good this team is.
72:14>> Yeah, [laughter] the rest of the draft I I just got to try and tank it.
72:20>> I'm not even going to do those 50.
72:21>> Let's go David Nooku here.
72:25>> You just trying to tank our team?
72:26>> I'm actually becoming a really big Oscar Delt guy and I don't want anyone else to snipe him.
72:34>> We We have some crazy value photos.
72:40>> This team's too good, dude.
72:44>> The entire room is just like colluding to make [laughter] sure you end up with this awesome team out of spite for old GB.
72:54>> Is Rashad White expensive George Helani?
72:56I think that's a reasonable way to frame it with the idea though that you get a full season of the Halaness. Uh, it's
73:05like if there was no Zack Charbanet, then I think you could you could compare them. Also, Rashad White has done more
73:12over his career than Helani. So, I'm a little more confident, but I think it is Helani-esque in certain ways.
73:18>> Is uh Terrence Ferguson available?
73:21>> Uh, let's see if the old T Fergs available.
73:27>> No.
73:28>> Oh, wow. Okay. Well, I guess I can't.
73:33You go strange. Yeah. Yeah.
73:38>> Yeah. Ferguson. Let's see where he went.
73:40>> Where did we go?
73:43>> He went in the 12th >> 1210. God, >> look at look at what you've done.
73:51>> Clip that. Senator Davis. [laughter] >> A Davis likes.
73:57>> Yeah. After I started talking about him.
73:59>> Yeah. [laughter] You should you should get like uh you should find some very bullish Terren
74:10Ferguson quote and then uh figure out if Davis actually started touting him after after you posted it.
74:18>> Started started theory that that that big Ferguson quote like one of the big ones we got from uh Sean McVey was in I believe early
74:28February.
74:30>> Okay. Yeah. And I believe my very first baseball millionaire draft that I did Terence Ferguson final round.
74:39>> I believe that Davis is pretty protected on the Fergus Ferguson touting wars.
74:44Now, I I would argue he's not protected and in fact exposed, but um if you wanna if you want to make the case that it's
74:50good to be super out in front on Ferguson, then and certainly when he was free, he was clearly a good pick, but he
74:57took him in his very first draft of of uh which I guess was during the the championship games.
75:04>> Right. Right. Right. Right. The the big board, right?
75:06>> Yeah, the big board.
75:07>> Let's do AJ Barner.
75:09>> Love it, man. No tight ends through 13 and then we get Brentton Strange past ADP about a round past ADP and then AJ
75:18Barner.
75:19>> That's nice.
75:19>> Uh I'm into that. And you know what? AJ Barner is a bringback dude.
75:26>> And a build we're building on the stack with JSN. So we've got this this Carolina Seahawks game.
75:33>> Uh un unexpectedly high scoring. You know, injuries happen. The Seahawks defense takes a little little step back by the end of the year.
75:42>> If if I'm setting that over under right now, Seahawks Panthers week 17, I'd say probably like 89 and a half points.
75:51>> I was going to say 51 is my extreme.
75:54>> You want [laughter] 89.
75:57>> Uh, and then for the second half, probably >> oh, >> like probably get some more some more grinded out. I'd say like 70 70 and a
76:06half for the second half.
76:09>> Yeah, 70 and a half. That's a little more reasonable. Yeah.
76:13>> Yeah.
76:20>> Let's just have him put it on Madden rookie mode for a game.
76:24>> Dude, that would be great. Just rookie mode it.
76:31you you know what could contribute to a very very highscoring affair is what Sam Sherman was talking about on
76:41your podcast I think just a couple weeks ago on that sphere except they have two different planes one for the offense one
76:48for the crash >> we were done with the crash I thought we made it through I [laughter] thought we didn't have to talk about the crash
76:56anymore Oh god. Uh, Doulich here, I think, makes sense.
77:04>> He does. Let's do it.
77:05>> Let's do it.
77:07>> All right. Three straight tight ends.
77:09>> Boom.
77:10>> The room is obliging. We need a tight end here. Uh, and we've gotten three straight at pretty good prices.
77:18>> Yeah, this will be a actually a pretty pretty decent little tight end room.
77:23Very much so.
77:26What uh what's what's going on at receiver?
77:32>> What have we got?
77:32>> Receiver. We've got uh Vele, Hunter, Cooper, Tla, Cup. It's getting pretty thin. Uh Cooper and and
77:42Hunter guys we still like here now that they're at prices where you're not asking for a lot. I mean, we talked
77:49about McMillan earlier. He's already gone now multiple rounds by the time we pick.
77:56And so, yeah, I think it's like, hey, you know what would be cool if we got like a couple good weeks from this guy.
78:01I I do think first round pick is a pretty uh I don't know if you guys know Omar Cooper also went in the first
78:07round. [laughter] It's like a little bit of, you know, selective reasoning here, right? with like Jiren Price last pick of the first
78:18round might be better than Jeremiah Love. Omar Cooper taken a few picks earlier.
78:26Basically undraftable. [laughter] Oh, okay. I think I'm going to draft him actually.
78:38Might get our shot here.
78:48I do find this Omar Cooper Price to be >> truly confounding. I I understand the Hunter stuff where it requires some optimism that the Jaguars will
78:58stick to a plan they've repeatedly said they're planning to stick to, but you know, if they don't stick to the plan,
79:05you are kind of screwed. So, I get it.
79:07you know, you you don't want to draft a quarterback. Uh I feel you, you know, if you're fading,
79:16but Cooper, what's what's the concern exactly?
79:22I know it's the Jets, but like he's he's a first round pick who again is going to be a starter out of the slot
79:30like, you know, this week in six days.
79:34So, we're going to see him playing in the slot.
79:37Um, I don't think Omar Cooper is like some sort of emerging superstar type of guy, but I think this price he's barely in
79:46the top 200 picks. It really doesn't make sense to me. It's I don't know.
79:51Yeah, some of these guys as they just start sliding that that slide doesn't really stop.
80:01Um, >> yeah, >> especially if there's like a little bit of FUD >> surrounding them. Same kind of thing that we're seeing with like Bree Hall
80:10who's on the same team, right? Like picked up the the groin injury. We got some like Aaron Glenn, I love all three
80:18guys type stuff, but then also Frank Reich being like, he's a bellcow for us.
80:23And then like that doesn't even affect his price. He just still keeps slipping into the fourth round.
80:32Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. The Jets stink. It's real. But dude, I I'm going to pull up their schedule in a minute
80:39here once we once we make our pick.
80:42>> Coler.
80:43>> Yeah. Let's go, man. Coler has finally moved up a little, but still in the 18th round. Not exactly expensive. Uh might
80:50might have the starting tight end for the the Chargers there in a way that actually matters. Um yeah. So, let me just pull up
81:00the schedule for the Jets because it really is wild how many easy games they have. Um,
81:09I wrote up, uh, for anyone still drafting, I I wrote up over the weekend, um, an article on the running backs
81:17going in rounds three through five. And this is this was one of my takeaways of like, man, the Jets schedule, I mean,
81:24they play the Titans week one, they get the Browns week five, they get the Dolphins week seven, they get the Raiders week eight, they get the
81:33Dolphins again week 12, they get the Cardinals week 15. uh very, you know, it left me feeling like, hey, this team
81:40might actually be able to be like close to 500, you know, early in the season in a way that's keeping Gino Smith as the
81:49quarterback and things aren't completely falling apart. Um, and then, you know, ultimately they're not going to be good, but they it might
82:00not be just a total disaster.
82:04Do you want to do pop here? Stack >> pop with May.
82:08>> I'm happy to take pop here.
82:12>> Get that get that May stack in there.
82:14Now, did it hurt you to suggest such a fun pick for the week 17 final since you're going to be anti sweating this
82:22team?
82:26I'm just really scared of this 60 point game we're [laughter] going to get from the Seahawks and Panthers.
82:38>> Do you do you actually like Pop Douglas or was that your attempt to sabotage?
82:42>> No, no, [laughter] I like I like Pop. Uh obviously he's he's a guy who is kind of sensitive to personnel
82:52groupings. He's not going to play very many two receiver sets, but figures to be like a pretty
83:01um pretty big slot guy for them in 11 personnel. We we'll see how much Kyle Williams plays this year in in three receiver
83:11sets. But um yeah, >> I honestly don't even think Kyle Williams is a slot, though. I think they're going to put Kyle Williams in to
83:18give AJ Brown a breather and just have him run go routes.
83:22Like I I really Yeah. I mean >> I was think I was thinking like three receiver sets where um like Dobs moves in
83:31>> to the inside for like a big thing >> and and Brown will move in some as well.
83:36I think so. Yeah, you're right about that. You're definitely right about that.
83:40>> The other thing with Pop is that they're going to play some 12 and maybe a good amount of 12. So that could be,
83:48>> you know, he didn't have very strong rout participation last year and I'm not sure he will this year either, but I
83:55could also I could see him being one, he gets used downfield in some fun ways.
84:01Um, and I could definitely see that continuing. Uh, and then two, you know, this is a an offense that has used kind
84:07of this underneath slot guy, you know, as a a key part of what they've done. I could see that continuing as well.
84:16Uh Darnell Washington's here. Tavon Sanders as a stack. Uh >> I'd be into into Washington or doing the like Kyle Williams with
84:27>> I'd be fine with that. We have four tight ends. I think >> we want to go with the Okay. Kyle
84:33Williams. It is.
84:35>> You got a bunch of Darnell Washington, too, huh?
84:37>> Yeah. Oh, I mean this guy This guy let you play like it's the 90s. I don't know if you heard about that. I think I can't
84:44remember where I saw that. It was in some Discord. Yeah. Uh but someone's been been posting quotes all summer about Mike McCarthy saying, "This guy
84:54makes me feel like I'm young again."
84:59When I when I >> when I see this guy out on the field, just makes makes me want to put on a
85:06slap bracelet.
85:10I Yeah, but watching Darnell Washington play, it fills me with vigor. Makes me want to just stick it up in there. I
85:18mean, [laughter] did you did you see there was a It's like we we got that press conference where they asked McCarthy about Darnell
85:26Washington. Like they just mention his name. goes. And then there was one with um there's a podcast recently with one of the with the players and one of the
85:37players asks his teammates. He was like, "Hey, this uh Darnell Washington and and one of the players responds like like it's the same reaction from everyone."
85:48And and Darnell Washington did >> out snap uh Fri when they were playing together in the preseason. So, I yeah, I
85:56mean, there's there's a chance we see him as the inline Y tight end >> in uh in in 11 personnel and then
86:04obviously he'll be out there in 12 personnel. So, to get this guy in the final round, they really >> we didn't we took Kyle Williams.
86:11>> Oh, that's [laughter] where he's going in the final round.
86:17>> You're like talking I'm like I really wish we took him down. [laughter] Now I'm Now I think we're we're probably
86:21this team's probably dead to win. So, this is a second this was your second place. Yeah, >> you successfully steered us the second
86:28>> Washington. That is the part where I think maybe people um you know because he he's free, right? Uh but I think the
86:34reason I take him >> uh >> is I I do think he's live to be their starting tight end in 11.
86:40>> Yeah. And he goes undrafted >> still quite a bit. Like look right here.
86:44Does not go drafted. Uh high yards per route run.
86:49>> Yep.
86:49>> Missed.
86:50>> Dude, he he's awesome. like when his when the ball's in his hands, he is so fun to watch. I recognize that he's
86:56mostly like most of his awesomeness is like awesomeness that like is kind of more or less him being like the tight
87:05end Joe Alt, you know what [laughter] I mean? Like it's not it's not fantasy awesomeness.
87:11>> Yeah.
87:11>> But uh [laughter] it's still pretty fun.
87:15Uh and then he actually can catch the ball as well. So >> yeah. All right, man. We did it. We uh
87:23we made it through the the entire summer sharing some some fun actual coach speak nuggets, drafting some good teams, drafting a a second place team for for
87:35$2 million here. Uh good luck to your your Tom Everett Scott team, which apparently is finishing third, and then you're solo shipping this for $3 million
87:43is is what you told me before.
87:44>> Yep. The stream. [clears throat] So So good luck. Happy to share uh a $2 million second place prize with you
87:50though on this team today.
87:52>> Old Pat stuck at 2 million. Can't get over that 2 million mark.
87:56>> It's a it's a real curse, dude. Let me tell you.
88:00>> I don't know what's going on.
88:05Yeah. But uh thanks again to everyone watching and you know who's been with us all summer. Really really enjoyed this uh new addition to uh to the channel. Uh
88:15excited to to run this back next year.
88:17If you're down, >> I'm down. Let's do it.
88:19>> Let's do it.
88:19>> Breaking news.
88:20>> Um speaking of running stuff back, I will be uh doing the angles and upside podcast with Rich Rebard again this year
88:28as we we break down the weekly slate. Um so I'll I'll talk with Rich about our plans for this week, but but absolutely
88:36week two going forward, we'll we'll be doing it. So uh yeah, excited for that to return. That was a ton of fun last
88:43year. And uh yeah, can get into the regular season grind here. We got football in two days, Patriots playing.
88:53See if Kyle Williams and Deari Douglas can hit the ground running and uh and help us ship this thing. But thanks
88:59again. We'll be uh we'll be doing lots more content. You uh you want to tell people what you got going on here for
89:05for inseason stuff?
89:07>> Yeah. uh at coachspeakindex online uh the coacheindex discord where I put all the notes from all these head coach offensive coordinator general manager
89:16pressers uh not going to do a weekly podcast this year but I think uh instead what I'm going to do is uh create a
89:25channel in the discord where I just drop in some uh some like audio uh kind of memos and just kind of kind of recapping
89:34some of the bigger >> coach speak that's that's been going on and breaking that down every every few days or so and definitely on like
89:41Saturdays before before the games.
89:44>> Awesome. All right. Uh and then yeah, over Legendary Upside, we'll we'll have Inseason ranks, my my weekly walkthrough article uh every week this year. So, um
89:55yeah, excited to uh to finally have some football that we can digest and analyze.
90:00So, thanks again. We'll see you guys later. Good luck this season.