0:00Top 10 Takeaways Whoa Whoa B B B B B Well that was a week, that was week 4.
0:06I hope you all survived and advanced somehow. I don't know of many of my teams that won their matchups.
0:12Full disclosure, this is the worst week the Podfather has had in fantasy football in a long time.
0:18In a long, long time. Perfectly happy with the usage of a bunch of players that we liked.
0:24Very unhappy with the results almost across the board.
0:26Some good processes, some bad results, but also some bad processes and some bad results.
0:31And yes, there was a little bit of good process, good result along the way.
0:36Yes, that did happen, but it wasn't like week 1, 2, 3.
0:40Week 1, 2, 3, we saw everything coming. We knew week 2 would be a shit show as it always is.
0:46And week 1, week 3, we completely shredded. Nothing was a surprise.
0:50Everything was normal. Through three weeks of NFL action, everybody's talking about how weird this season is and how weird week 1
0:57was, but it doesn't compare to how weird week 2 was.
1:00And then all week 3 was such a weird week.
1:03I didn't find anything weird about anything that's happened so far until now, until today.
1:08And there was, there was a signal. It was known that this would be a cataclysmic week for fantasy points scoring, NFL
1:15points scoring, some very smart people with a lot of money to spend with sports books.
1:20They knew it. They knew it. And I found the breadcrumbs leading back to what they knew and how they knew it.
1:27These are the NFL week for betting odds on ESPN.
1:30Okay. The NFL week for betting odds. I think that you'll see something interesting as we scroll down and look through these odds.
1:37Colts commanders opens at 48 and a half close at 48 and a half.
1:42Nothing to see here. All of a sudden we see jets bears opened at 45 closed at 43 and a half Patriots
1:49bills opened at 49 and a half close at 48 and a half Cardinals giants opened at 45 and a half close
1:56at 44 and a half Cowboys Texans actually bumped up from when it closed from when it opened by a point Jags
2:02Bengals stayed at 51 and a half the entire week.
2:06Now look at Packers Buccaneers. It opened at 47 and a half.
2:09I couldn't even get my head around this. Like I was like, wait, is that a seven or a five?
2:16That's actually a seven. It opened at 47 and a half.
2:19It closed at 38 and a half. When this line opened originally, maybe it was pre Baker Mayfield injury, but it went down even more from there.
2:28Rams Eagles opened at 47 and a half close at 42 and a half.
2:32No quarterback injuries there, right? Titans Ravens. There was a quarterback injury in game.
2:36Lamar Jackson opened at 47 and a half close at 42 and a half.
2:41Dolphins Vikings opened at 43 and a half closed at 38 and a half on and on and on and on.
2:47We're seeing up to a 10 point correction from when the line opened and again could have opened before the Baker Mayfield
2:54injury comes down to 42 and a half after the Baker Mayfield injury with the super early lines come out before the
3:01games on Sunday have even finished for the following Sunday understood and then it corrects and it corrects.
3:07Most of these games kept correcting down, kept correcting down those that are studying with the most computational firepower finding out.
3:13Wait a second. This team is a terrible matchup for that team.
3:17That team is also a terrible matchup for this team.
3:20This team strengths are going right into the teeth of this team's defensive strengths.
3:25So the offensive strength is going up against the defensive strength and it becomes strength against strength.
3:30Or you have a situation where the Packers, they have a strength, which is air yard pushing the ball downfield.
3:36They're going up against a pass funnel defense and the Buccaneers.
3:40You would think, well, that's, that's strength against weakness.
3:43But then what that's offset by the fact that you need competent quarterback play on the other side to force the Packers to throw it all.
3:51So I loved this idea of the Packers playing the Buccaneers.
3:54If Baker Mayfield were under center, I think that would have been a very different game.
3:59It would have been a prolific Jordan love game.
4:02A lot of interesting stuff. When you look at these lines, it becomes clear that once all the data came in and
4:09all the conclusions were drawn about how these game scripts were going to play out and how the strengths and weaknesses of
4:16the offenses and defense that were matching up in week four, that very smart people with a lot of money to spend
4:23came to the conclusion that most of these games were going to disappoint.
4:27And that the games where there was going to be a lot of scoring, it was going to be a lot of
4:34random events and outcomes on the field and wouldn't necessarily affect your fantasy team in a positive way.
4:39So if you had a bad week for just know that the bookmakers and the smart money saw it coming and you shouldn't feel as bad.
4:48Like I felt much better about this. Like after I woke up very tilted, I went to bed tilted.
4:54I woke up tilted. This was a tilting week.
4:56This was the week. Everyone's talking about this. Talking about every week.
5:00This is the weird week. This was the weird week.
5:03I mean, it started so badly on Sunday morning where we needed Marcus Mariota to stay healthy.
5:09I can't believe I'm saying that out loud, but that's something we needed.
5:13We needed Marcus Mariota to stay healthy. And what?
5:16Right. He goes down and then they're bringing in a guy.
5:19It's hard to pronounce name. Not even going to try.
5:22And they bring in a guy that I barely heard of.
5:26And of course, what does that mean for what the Colts are going to do?
5:30That just means the Colts are like, okay, we're just going to run Jonathan Taylor.
5:35We don't need to. We don't need to throw the ball to Josh Downs.
5:39And the commanders are like, we'd love to throw the ball to Diggs if we could.
5:44So us fantasy gamers playing Josh Downs, playing Stefan Diggs with a matchup that was supposed to have a high, a high
5:51total with two pass funnel defenses playing against each other.
5:54This is what you want. It was a 48 and a half point total.
5:59You cannot feel bad if you streamed Daniel Jones or you streamed Marcus Mariota, the two most popular streamers of the week.
6:06Like when we were setting up the plays of the week, I felt bad.
6:10I was like, we're going chalk with these streaming quarterbacks.
6:13But I mean, Daniel Jones, there's no better week to play him.
6:17There's no better week to play Marcus Mariota. So when they're both in great situations to play each other, you should just play one of them.
6:25That was the logic that was sound logic. And then Mariota gets hurt in the first half and it's over.
6:32It's finished. It's vaporized. The game becomes just foobard.
6:34You can't worry about it. When injuries happen before the game, that can really help us.
6:39You can find a way to plug in Emmanuel Wilson when you hear, oh, Jadarian Price, he's going to IR.
6:46Oh, where's Emmanuel Wilson? Where's Emmanuel Wilson? That news comes out Saturday afternoon, Saturday evening.
6:50I had a birthday party to go to. I'm finding out about this stuff and I've had some cocktails and then I
6:57got to wake up and do starter stream with Chuck.
7:00And I'm trying to process on this foggy brain.
7:03What is Emmanuel Wilson's upside? This is pretty good.
7:06Pretty good situation. But also there's George Alani. Then it depends.
7:10Can the Chargers force the Seahawks into passing situations where we're going to see some George Alani or is it just going to be the Emmanuel Wilson show?
7:18And every single week, I think, well, the talent of this team, it has to find some balance at some point, some
7:25footing where they can at least make it a game where it's not just going to open up 20 to six in the first half.
7:33And you just lean on Emmanuel Wilson the entire game.
7:36If you've watched football over the past three weeks, that's what you assumed would happen.
7:41But knowing the talent profile of the Chargers offensive line, their quarterback, their weapons, this vaunted, esteemed coaching staff, you'd have to
7:48think that, well, they could eventually give the Seahawks a game.
7:51No. And what does that mean? It's the Emmanuel Wilson show.
7:55Touches, targets, consolidate, JSN, Emmanuel Wilson. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe you're going to get some Rashid Shahid, maybe a deep bomb to
8:02Rashid Shahid, but they don't need it. They don't need it.
8:05These teams are not putting the Seahawks in a position where they need to throw the ball down the field as much.
8:12And so Rashid Shahid has not yet had a spike week.
8:15But then again, the Seahawks didn't have to do it last year either.
8:20The Seahawks have been in more close games, been playing with a lead less this year than they have been last year.
8:26A lot less this year. And still no Rashid Shahid.
8:30It's an incredibly different, it's an incredibly difficult team environment for a deep bomb taker, a deep bomb executor, a shot caller,
8:36if you will, in a Rashid Shahid to have a spike week.
8:40Things really need to line up and they're not.
8:43So really it's consolidating around Emmanuel Wilson and JSN.
8:46Then, when you find out about these injuries before the game, you can get excited.
8:51When they happen during the game and you're streaming Marcus Mariota or you're streaming Daniel Jones, all you can do is shake
8:58whatever device you're watching the game on. We found out.
9:01Thank you to Adam Schefter, by the way. We found out well before the game.
9:05Jalen Coker is unlikely to play. We found out in the morning.
9:09That was so important. Before Adam Schefter was around, we used to go into Thursday Night Football wondering whether Jalen Coker was going to play.
9:17And then if you have to sub him out, now your choices are highly limited.
9:22So I want to thank Adam Schefter for letting me know to take Jalen Coker out of all my lineups.
9:28It was actually quite a tedious process to take him out of all my lineups, but I'm glad I did.
9:34Sleeper has this auto sub feature. Use the auto sub feature every time I see a guy is questionable.
9:40Even though I thought Jalen Coker was going to play.
9:43We assumed he was going to play. Seemed like he was on track to play.
9:48Didn't play. It happens. But at least we found out beforehand.
9:52Little less notice with Terry McLaurin because the game is starting at 930.
9:56But still, it's like, oh, we have time. We can get Antonio Williams in lineups in these deep leagues with lots of flex options, especially dynasty leagues.
10:04I'm in a lot of dynasty leagues, as you know, all these orphans I took over plugged in some Antonio Williams.
10:11Seemed like a good process play. He almost scored a touchdown.
10:14But his quarterback went down and the game became, hey, let's watch the Colts sit on a lead with Jonathan Taylor.
10:21And then we're just crumpling up papers and throwing them away.
10:24But before the game, the Carolina game, we knew it was going to be consolidated.
10:29We knew this was Tett McMillan week. Shift into Tett McMillan overdrive.
10:33It was just a shame that that game wasn't on the main slate.
10:37Oh, if only that game was on the main slate.
10:40Oh, baby. Tett McMillan, Tett McMillan, Tett McMillan. And it was the most consolidated touch distribution of the year.
10:46That was the beauty of that game. And then we saw the law of the conservation of touches was on display like
10:53never before in Carolina with this Carolina game. I mean, it was a beautiful thing to watch.
10:58It was a beautiful thing to behold. What if you don't have any more running backs left?
11:03And what if you don't have any more wide receivers left except your number one running back and your number one receiver?
11:10It's just it's a very rare thing that that would ever play itself out.
11:15And yet it did. And they happen to be at home against the Lions.
11:19It was just the absolute nuts setup for Tett McMillan.
11:22And then typically what would happen is just when you were ready to go all in on young Hubbard McMillan, that that trio, Bryce Young would go down.
11:31Right. That's what would. Oh, that's we can't have nice things throughout the day.
11:35We couldn't have nice things. We couldn't have nice things.
11:39The NFL kept dangling and then taking away, dangling and then taking away.
11:43But I can't claim that it was the most shocking random event, because as we talked about at the beginning of the
11:50show, the smart people, the bookmakers, they knew. And during the Starter Stream show, we get questions about why is Player X?
11:56We had the questions about Jalen Coker. How could you have Jalen Coker ranked so high in week one, week two?
12:03I remember these questions on Sunday morning and a lot of it went right back to, hey, the game total is up
12:10there now, like especially week two, week three, week four with Carolina.
12:14The game total is getting up there. So you got to get McMillan in your lineup.
12:19You got to get Coker in your lineup. We recommended playing Darren Waller and, you know, it was a catastrophe.
12:25We're going to get into this a little bit later in the show, but we are going to go through some of
12:32the plays of the week from last week. Some of my top 10 takeaways, some of the fab guidance.
12:38I want to do a retrospective, a learning retrospective to find out where the process was wrong, but the outcome might have
12:45been right, where the process was right and the outcome was wrong and so on and so on and so on.
12:51McMillan had 16 targets and almost 200 yards with two touchdowns because the second receiver was John Mechie.
12:57John Mechie becomes interesting in that game environment. When you're me and you have John Mechie in these deep dynasty leagues, John
13:04Mechie is a guy that I played. I started some John Mechie just like I played some Antonio Williams because it's a
13:11question of, will I have all these wide receiver threes and I'm trying to find the exact right scenario.
13:17And I thought, as we talked about in the plays of the week, it might've been Sky Moore.
13:23No, no. Sky Moore, playing Sky Moore as a fringe desperation option was not good enough.
13:28That was bad advice because the game total was 38 and a half.
13:32That's why. For no other reason. No other reason than that.
13:35Game total is a fun marker in the sand to aim for, to challenge, to push.
13:40Every week there's a game where we're like, every game has tens of millions of lines of code grinding predicted outcomes, projections
13:47for yards, points scored, ultimately fantasy points for all these games across all these bookmakers, all these sports books.
13:53It's the law of big numbers, the big data game.
13:56That's the best thing you can go on is the game total.
14:00That is every week, our starting point for creating projections is what is the game total?
14:05And we work from there because that's where you have the ability to take advantage of big data.
14:11Big data is your friend and it is best illustrated in the world of betting and fantasy sports in the game totals.
14:17And yet there are situations where we have edge and we say, I think this game is going to go over.
14:24I think this game is going to go under.
14:27I have a self-imposed rule that because game totals are such a powerful signal, such an incredible tool, the foundation of any
14:34projection system that you can at most go against game totals.
14:37Predict a game total to be significantly one way or the other over or under once a week only.
14:43That's it. And the game I chose last week to say, you know what?
14:48I'm going to take some players in this game with a 38 and a half point total.
14:53I posted it on Twitter. I said, I think I got to play Bucky Irving this week.
14:58I got to do it. I might even dabble with a little Sky Moore in these deep leagues.
15:04And the theory is that it's not a pass funnel defense that the Buccaneers have.
15:09It's not just that. It's that not only do the Buccaneers have a pass funnel defense, the Packers themselves have a pass funnel offense.
15:16So you have pass funnel defense with a pass funnel offense.
15:20They meet. It's a pass fire hose. We coined the term we talked about on every show.
15:25We coined the term on the starter stream show.
15:28And I just couldn't get off it. Couldn't get off Matthew Golden.
15:32Couldn't get off Christian Watson. Couldn't bench those guys.
15:34Wasn't saying these are plays of the week. But when I was trying to pick a fringe wide receiver three, not knowing
15:41all these guys would eventually become wide receiver twos because of injuries being reported on Friday night, Saturday, Sunday morning.
15:48We identified Antonio Williams and Sky Moore. Antonio Williams like, oh, he's a wide receiver too.
15:53If we were republishing it Sunday morning, I would have said John Mechie wide receiver two.
15:58Right. If we had the option, I like Roman Wilson.
16:01We didn't have those options. We ended up with Sky Moore in a game, a wide receiver three in a game with
16:08a 38 and a half point total. And playing Bucky Irving in a game where the Buccaneers had the fewest implied points
16:15of almost any team on the slate. It was a terrible game situation to play Bucky Irving.
16:20They're going on the road with their backup quarterback.
16:23And this is not a top 10 backup quarterback in the league.
16:27What are we doing? Right. It was actually at home.
16:30It was actually at home. That was why. That had to be why.
16:34You know what? That is why. I think that is why.
16:37I was concerned. If you go to my tweet at fantasy underscore mansion, I was concerned about the game total.
16:43I said, in spite of the game total, I'm playing Bucky Irving anyway.
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17:31It's going to be great. Played Bucky Irving. Right.
17:34In spite of the low game total. And the reason I did was because he was at home.
17:40I was like, OK, well, at least he's at home.
17:43You know, if it were a road game, if they were going to Green Bay, no way I play Bucky Irving.
17:49No way. But I talked myself into it because it was a home game.
17:54That is how that is how it played out.
17:57I'm thinking through like, how did it come to be?
18:00There's no way I would have played him on the road.
18:03But at home, what else are they going to do?
18:06They're going to be drawn up plays for Bucky Irving.
18:10They want to make it easy. They want to make a point and click offense for Jalen Daniels.
18:15And then a running back did score a touchdown on a dump off.
18:19But it was Kenneth Gainwell. Right. All the usage trends for Bucky Irving went in the wrong direction.
18:25We're like, he's getting a 70 plus percent snap share and opportunity share.
18:29And then now with the backup quarterback, suddenly it's more Kenneth Gainwell.
18:33OK, cool. I could look back and say I was playing Bucky Irving based on this usage trend.
18:38And then the team inexplicably changed that trend. Not my fault.
18:42It was my fault. It was my fault. If there was one takeaway where I made an error or I would admit
18:49making an error in week four, it was playing Packers and Buccaneers in a game with a 38 and a half point total.
18:56Because I said this is the one game where I think it's going to go over.
19:01Jalen Daniels can make plays. He's not Jaden Daniels, but he can make plays.
19:05And this team has weapons. He can get the ball to Ibuka.
19:09They're going to draw plays in and around the line of scrimmage that will allow them to matriculate the ball down the field.
19:16He doesn't have to push the ball down the field.
19:20They got Godwin. They get Ibuka. They got Bucky.
19:22They got Kenneth Gainwell. This is a great setup for a backup quarterback.
19:26I think this game's going over, especially because on the other side, you're going to have Jordan Love airing it out against the Buccaneers secondary.
19:34And the Buccaneers aren't going to let the Packers run the ball at all.
19:39So the Packers won't be able to run the ball at all.
19:42So this game's going over. It didn't. It went under.
19:46And you play this game where you try to beat Vegas.
19:49Sometimes you get got. So we got got. We pushed it.
19:52We pushed it. We're like, okay, three weeks in a row.
19:56We can find the game that's going to go over.
19:59Usually it's because of the Jets. Follow the Jets this week.
20:03Didn't love the Jets. Not sure why. Wasn't super into all these Jets.
20:07Wasn't playing Isaiah Williams as a fringe option. Could have.
20:10Didn't. We were playing Braylon Allen. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.
20:13Not good. Even though that one is the opposite of the Bucky Irving play.
20:17The Bucky Irving play was a mistake. You push your luck every week going against Vegas.
20:22Three times. You, you, you're in the clear. And then you roll a seven on the fourth shot.
20:28And that's, that's what happens. That's sports. But it was a mistake.
20:31Absolutely. Playing Bucky Irving over better options was a mistake.
20:35Playing Sky Moore in that game with that game total.
20:38Even though everything looked like it was going over.
20:41There was information I didn't have about that matchup that a lot of smart money had.
20:46And a lot of big machines with big computers crunching data had that I didn't.
20:50That, that's the, that's the makings of an error.
20:53I was happy to see it actually, because I was looking at some of these other outcomes thinking, man, it's hard to
21:00argue that this was a mistake, but there's no way you can have a week this bad and not have correctable errors.
21:07And putting any chips on a game with a 38 and a half point total is usually a mistake.
21:13And this week it was, but if you played Braylon Allen, you can't, you can't be regretting that decision.
21:19Braylon Allen had a 100% snap share, 100% opportunity.
21:22He didn't have a 100% snap share, but he had a 100% opportunity share.
21:26He had effectively 100% snap share. I mean, you couldn't have asked for anything more.
21:31It's just the, the jets didn't fire at all ever in this game.
21:35You shrug your shoulders and move on. There's nothing you can do.
21:39It was a good process. Just like our process of picking up Ollie Gordon over Jalen, right?
21:44Right. We said, there's going to be an opportunity to get Ollie Gordon at value, put more, even more down on Braylon
21:51Allen because fantasy football, by the time you get to week four, it's a week to week sport.
21:57It's a week to week game. So you might as well go and get Braylon Allen for this week against the bears next week against the Browns.
22:05And then all these future weeks where anything can happen.
22:08You want Braylon Allen and then you want Ollie Gordon and get out of here with Jalen Wright.
22:14And they're naming Jalen Wright, the starter. And I'm just like, okay, go to the dynasty rankings, go to any rankings.
22:20You're going to see Ollie Gordon is here. Jalen Wright is here.
22:24Why? Because Ollie Gordon, sadly, is similar to Ramadre Stevenson in that he's bigger.
22:29He's better between the tackles and he's better in the passing game than a slasher like Jalen Wright.
22:34And that's what's happening in New England is the Patriots are deploying their offense and all these different game situations.
22:40And they're like, well, Ramadre Stevenson actually helps us here.
22:44Ramadre Stevenson is a better, a better player. In this situation, Ramadre Stevenson has more utility in this down and distance.
22:50And then you look up and this is how Ramadre Stevenson has played 59% of New England snaps to Travion's 37%.
22:57Ramadre is almost doubling the route participation rate of Travion Henderson.
23:00This is a, this is an absolute debacle. What's happening with Travion Henderson.
23:04He is looking like a bust. Shadarian Price looking like a bust.
23:08If you go down the board, another takeaway, I think this is takeaway three, four.
23:13I don't know. I've already lost track. Will we get to 10 takeaways?
23:17Will we go over 10 takeaways? We're never going under 10 takeaways.
23:21How far over 10 takeaways really is the question or as, as it is every week, right?
23:26Takeaway number one was nothing compares to full opportunity consolidation.
23:29No Jalen Coker, no Ligot, no HN ETN in the backfield, no Jonathan Brooks.
23:34What does that mean? It's all about Hubbard, all about Ted McMillan, and maybe some Darren Waller for lucky.
23:39And we weren't lucky. That was takeaway number one.
23:42And takeaway number two is, I guess really we're not anywhere.
23:46We haven't gone anywhere. We've really, we're just wrapping up takeaway number one.
23:50So we can move on to takeaway number two.
23:53There was some other sub takeaways in there. So there were some micro takes in there.
23:58I guess that there was a, there was a whole looking back at lessons learned from last week and the biggest blunder
24:05that I've made all season was explainable and something we can build on and learn from.
24:10So that's a takeaway. So now we're on to takeaway three.
24:13So now we're in takeaway three. Takeaway three is interesting.
24:16Robust RB was the only way to go in seasonal league drafts.
24:20That was it. And that was all. And by the way, I know I'm still wearing the Mike McDaniel sunglasses.
24:26If you're wondering why the Mike McDaniel sunglasses, I will be wearing these sunglasses until Mike McDaniel is fired.
24:32And I think he will be the first offensive coordinator fired.
24:36He is a fraud. I think he will get another job somewhere, probably in college.
24:40And he will, he will end up rebuilding his career and he will be back in the NFL, but he has to
24:47go to college and pay a penance in college, but he'll be back.
24:51I'm sure chargers fans are saying there's no way he'll be back.
24:55This is, this is unforgivable. We're all in four.
24:58We were, I thought we're going to make the super bowl.
25:01I thought charges were a contender to make the super bowl.
25:05Did you put it in the comments? Let us know.
25:08Did you think the chargers had a chance this year during the summer?
25:12Did you think the chargers were a contender for the super bowl?
25:16I did. I did. So it's understandable. I think he's gone banished forever, never to return.
25:21Not so fast. We will see Mike McDaniel again, but I will continue to wear his sunglasses until he is fired.
25:27So let's go somewhere. I had a listener, I had a listener send us an email.
25:33Podfather at rotowonderworld.com. Great email by a listener. Said it makes no sense why you wouldn't show the data analysis tool more often on the show.
25:41And I thought about it and I said, well, that's true.
25:44I mean, I use it all the time when I am preparing the show, but I don't often show it on the stream or streaming it live.
25:53So we stream this show, Top 10 Takeaways is streamed on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter X every Monday around one o'clock.
25:59Sometimes it's 1230. Sometimes it's 130. Just depends on how long it takes me to get 10 takeaways.
26:05I wake up in the morning with like five takeaways and then I have to find my next five takeaways.
26:11And sometimes it takes a few hours. Sometimes it takes five minutes.
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26:18So it's in that zone. Now we can't always promise exactly one o'clock, but at some point around the one o'clock, we're
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26:39So we go here. We can look up underdog ADP from this past season, this past summer, and then just juxtapose it with the fantasy points per game.
26:48And you're going to see sorted everyone you would expect to see.
26:51Gibbs, B. John, Christian McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor, James Cook, Chase Brown, Kenneth Walker.
26:55Those were the top 15 players that were running backs.
26:59That's the list. Then you're at Saquon at that point.
27:02I think Saquon went like 15, 16 in most drafts.
27:05Right after him was a Marion Hampton, H. Chan.
27:08So it falls apart, right? The first five plus running backs, seven running backs, they're all delivering.
27:13Chase Brown, not exactly, but Chase Brown's giving you just enough.
27:16And these other guys are smashing. Then you get to Barkley, Hampton, H.
27:21Chan. Barkley has been dealing with nagging injuries. H.
27:23Chan has a season-ending injury. And a Marion Hampton is dealing with Mike McDaniel and a dysfunctional offense.
27:29And then you're at Gentry, pick 20. Derrick Henry is absolutely smashing, 25 fantasy points a game.
27:34Javante Williams, he's up to 20 fantasy points per game after this week's performance.
27:39He was amazing. He was the running back you wanted.
27:42Jeremiah Love, his usage is going up. I mean, it came back down this week.
27:47So it was massively on the rise. His opportunity share was like over 60%.
27:51That was not sustainable. That week three opportunity share was not sustainable.
27:55But I think what you're going to see moving forward is something between what we saw, like 50-50 with Algier getting the touchdown, sadly.
28:02And then the week before, Jeremiah Love was at closer to 70%.
28:06And it'll settle in high 50s, low 60s. The opportunity share tilting toward Jeremiah Love week in, week out.
28:12So I think week four was a blip. I think what we saw in week three, calling the bottom on Jeremiah Love,
28:19it's only going to continue to go up from here.
28:22He hasn't really cashed in with touchdowns yet. That's coming.
28:25So big spike weeks coming for Jeremiah Love. Continue to buy him wherever you can.
28:30And then if you see, if you go right through Swift, went off the board at pick 40.
28:36Then you're into David Montgomery and Cam Scadaboo. If you draw a line right at 50, Quinshon Judkins, Bucky Irving, Basial Tootin.
28:42If you draw the line right there, that would be essentially the first five rounds of fantasy drafts, right?
28:48Or the first five and a half rounds, however you want to think about it.
28:53Depends if you're in a 10-team league or a 12-team league.
28:57So the first, around the top 50, right? If you say, you know, round down, you're pretty much going to go through Basial Tootin.
29:04And Basial Tootin was good again. He didn't score a lot of fantasy points, but Basial Tootin was an interesting process play this week.
29:12Again, it did not work out for Basial Tootin, but he did see a season-high snap share, 57%.
29:17I mean, his previous high snap share was less than 50%.
29:21So this is the first time he's been over 50% with his snaps.
29:25And he had like 70% of the carries. And I think his previous career high for carry share was something like 55%.
29:32So we're seeing continued increased usage, a continued commitment to increasing the opportunity share for Basial Tootin.
29:37It's just that in week four, like with most of these players we like, they didn't actually score fantasy points.
29:43And that's okay. Because again, the smart money saw that most of these games in week four were going to get dragged into the mud.
29:51So we know it. It was, it was identified as a trend for this week before anyone kicked off on Sunday.
29:58I was worried. Chuck was worried. We were worried.
30:01This is this, this week smells and we got it.
30:04We got the stinky week, the inexplicable week, the apocalyptic week.
30:07And there are also some, some performances where players dud it out, especially if they were Broncos players, that we've all seen
30:14this coming, Cortland Sutton, we know he's dust. This alpha profile turns 31, the big lumbering alpha profile wide receivers.
30:20They turn 31, they're dust. They catch one pass on six targets.
30:24That's the Cortland Sutton experience. J.K. Dobbins. J.K. Dobbins is the running back version of Chris Godwin.
30:30J.K. Dobbins was very efficient last year, right? He had like a 40 plus percent success rate on his runs.
30:36This year, it's down to like 25%. Okay. His fantasy points per snap is down from like 0.35 to 0.23.
30:42Like he is not the efficient player he was last year.
30:46The Broncos offensive line is not what it was.
30:48And I'm done, right? I am done. I am done playing anybody behind one of these bottom five offensive lines.
30:55And I could tell you a team that if they don't have a bottom five offensive line, it's pretty damn close to bottom five.
31:02It's got to be the Houston Texans because I understand that J.K.
31:06Dobbins and David Montgomery have had a number of lower body injuries.
31:10And we talked about the, we discussed at length, the Tara McLaurin corollary, whereas if you have a clean bill of health,
31:17you're explosive and you don't suffer a myriad of lower body injuries during your twenties, you can turn 30 and still be a sports car.
31:24J.K. Dobbins does not, does not have that luxury, right?
31:28It's been all lower body injuries, all career for J.K.
31:31Dobbins. And it's been all lower body injuries the last five years for Chris Godwin.
31:35So no one is surprised when these players are not efficient anymore.
31:39You can't be. Well, you can't be now that we have the Tara McLaurin corollary.
31:44I'm surprised about Chris Godwin. I thought I was expecting more from Chris Godwin.
31:48Now, if you were bullish on Chris Godwin, you can blame the quarterback situation.
31:53I'm not. I'm blaming myself for not ideating on the potential loss of athleticism and explosiveness due to lower body injuries that became the Tara McLaurin corollary.
32:01The Tara McLaurin corollary was not invented until week three of this season.
32:05So I ended up drafting some Godwin. The teams, according to Dan Fornick, our offensive line expert with the worst offensive lines,
32:1225 and below, like the bottom seven, the bottom eight, right?
32:16Texans, Panthers, Dolphins, Commanders, Browns, Chargers, Titans, Packers. What's wrong with the Chargers offensive line?
32:20I don't know. They have a lot of talent.
32:23They have a lot of draft capital invested. And they're incompetent.
32:27And it's hard to understand why. The Houston Texans cannot block anybody.
32:30So yes, David Montgomery is like J.K. Dobbins in that a lot of his explosiveness has been sapped over the years.
32:37And he's 29 years old. And he was a purgatory back.
32:40We had this argument. My argument with John Paulson about, is David Montgomery a purgatory back?
32:45Is he a dead zone back? I said, well, he can't be a bad.
32:50I can't. He can't be. He doesn't fit the definition of a dead zone back.
32:55He's being drafted inside the top 50. And this is a team that wants to be a running team.
33:01That's their identity, right? So I think this is a reckoning week for the Podfather.
33:05Where I'm getting wrecked. I want to be reckoned on bad advice in the summer.
33:10The errors of the summer. We're going to surface the errors of the summer.
33:14And surface the errors that happened pre-week four, right?
33:17Betting against all the Las Vegas firepower that was fading Packers Bucks.
33:21That was a mistake. Playing Bucky Irving on sport.fun.
33:24Mistake. Streaming Sky Moore in a deep dynasty league.
33:27In flex. Mistake. Drafting David Montgomery at all. Given the Houston Texans offensive line.
33:31Was a mistake. Just because a team says their identity is we run the ball.
33:36Doesn't mean they just run the ball. If the Packers say we want to run the ball.
33:41Doesn't mean they can run the ball. They can't run the ball.
33:45They have no way to open up any creases or crevices.
33:48To allow a running back. Any space. To get any positive yards.
33:52So then they have to throw. And throw they will.
33:55Oh, the Packers will continue to throw. If you can somehow get Matthew Golden or Christian Watson or Jordan Love now as a buy low, you do it.
34:04That was a blip. That was simply because they knew the Bucks had Jalen Daniels.
34:09And they were going to sit on a lead in the second half.
34:13They didn't have to throw. They didn't have to be prolific.
34:16They will have to be prolific in a bunch of other games against the Lions and Caleb Williams in these games in the future.
34:24Buy, buy, buy. Buy low on these Packers. But I'm not buying low on David Montgomery.
34:29Because this offensive line is giving him no room to operate.
34:32And even when they have a lead against the Cowboys, the offensive line does not allow them to run for first downs.
34:39And then they have to punt and the Cowboys can come back.
34:43That's the situation when you actually really want a good run blocking unit.
34:47It doesn't matter as much. You'd much prefer to have a great pass blocking unit than a run blocking unit if you had to choose.
34:55However, in the fourth quarter, if you have a lead, that's when you really want your team to build a run block.
35:02And the Texans can't. And if you have David Montgomery, it's a damn shame.
35:06Because David Montgomery has an all-purpose skill set. He is a touchdown machine on a team with an offensive line.
35:12No matter what the Texans are saying and what they want, it doesn't matter if they can't execute it.
35:18So that was my mistake of the summer thinking, well, we're going to draft based on identity.
35:24Texans want to be a running team. I'm going to, if Dave Montgomery slips to me, I'm going to draft him.
35:30I think he's a potential value pick in the fifth round.
35:34Look where he's going on underdog. He's going in the fourth round.
35:38I drafted him in the player profiler staff league.
35:40I was like, oh, why? Guys don't want David Montgomery?
35:44I remember bragging about it. Don't want David Montgomery.
35:46I'll take him. I'm going to draft him. Value trap.
35:49Dave Montgomery was a value trap. And Bucky Irving at his discounted salary was a value trap this week.
35:55Dave Montgomery was a value trap in redraft and seasonal leagues.
35:59And that's about as much podfather, blunder, post-mortem as we're ever going to get on this show.
36:04Because I don't like looking back. I like looking ahead.
36:07I like looking ahead. But sometimes we have to look back to look ahead.
36:12So what was one of the takeaways? Do you remember takeaway number five last week?
36:16Takeaway number five last week was Basial Tootin is officially the bell cow in Jacksonville.
36:21You have to get him now. This is a team that is going to what?
36:26Play with a lead. Everything we've learned, right? Everything we've learned about what matters, what scores fantasy points, where do they come from?
36:33Just in the last five minutes points us where?
36:36It points us to Basial Tootin. You have a team with a quarterback that can operate the offense competently at the very least.
36:43Now, the problem with Trevor Lawrence is their defense and their running game with Basial Tootin at the head of it is too good.
36:51So if you wanted to sell Trevor Lawrence in seasonal leagues, by all means, move on.
36:56Because this is a situation where they're going to be able to sit on a lead.
37:01They play the Titans, right? This is not good, right?
37:04There's going to be plenty more games where Trevor Lawrence just doesn't produce.
37:08You're thinking, oh, he's playing the Bengals. I'm starting him.
37:11And then they didn't necessarily need him. It was 13-3 at the half.
37:15You know what happens? 13-3. Their game plan is like, we've got to take the air out of the football in the second half.
37:23And that's what they did. The team ended up running the ball almost 30 times.
37:27Again, we talked about it. Basial Tootin had a huge share of the snaps and the carries.
37:3317 carries. But no touchdowns. Didn't get a lot of catches.
37:36Though he ran more routes this time than he's ever run.
37:40And yet only 10 fantasy points. And one of the reasons why was this was a road game.
37:45If they were at home, I'm sure Basial Tootin would have scored a few more points.
37:50But Tootin is still under the radar. He is still very attainable.
37:54So what we wanted of the Texans is what's happening now with the Jaguars.
37:59What I thought would play out with the Texans is this is a great defense.
38:03They're going to play defense. They're going to want to run the ball.
38:07They have David Montgomery. They're going to find their running game.
38:11They're going to architect a running game. How could they not at least architect a successful running game?
38:16They've been talking about it all offseason. That's all they care about doing to support their defense.
38:22I thought they would. And instead of going player by player across their offensive line depth chart and come to the conclusion
38:29it's not going to happen for David Montgomery. Jacksonville's offensive line is much better.
38:33And so Basial Tootin does have that crease to make a big play.
38:37And he has the speed where he gets through that crease.
38:41And suddenly it's a 20-yard run. It's a 40-yard touchdown.
38:44That is very much in his range of outcomes this year over and over and over again.
38:49We're going to see more of that. I'm all in on Tootin now.
38:53I've seen enough. Because week four was such a strict week.
38:57A guy like Tootin is actually still attainable. There's a bunch of guys that didn't score because random players scored.
39:03Michael Wilson's a buy low still. You can, well, buy low, buy high, wherever you think your league mate is on Michael Wilson, buy.
39:10Maybe your league mate was expecting more somehow. I think Michael Wilson's delivering at about what I expected.
39:16So I guess whatever that is, buy neutral. Michael Wilson's a buy neutral because he's getting all the opportunities.
39:22The opportunity share is huge. Target share for Michael Wilson, like 35% the last couple games.
39:27Marvin Harrison Jr. got the touchdown. Elijah Higgins got the touchdown.
39:31But not so for Michael Wilson because, again, we couldn't have nice things in week four.
39:36That's the theme. We weren't allowed to have nice things.
39:39We certainly made some errors and didn't help ourselves in some situations.
39:42But also, the team matchups were conspiring against us with strengths on strengths and weaknesses on weaknesses.
39:48And Vegas saw it. Saw it clear as day.
39:51Saw it better than I could see it. But thankfully, I don't need to have supercomputers running.
39:56I can just check the lines and be like, wait, these lines have all moved down.
40:01Four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten points. Oh, this game, this game, this game, this game, this entire slate.
40:07It's going to be a debacle. And it was.
40:10But I mean, I stand by Ollie Gordon over Jalen Wright.
40:14Feeling pretty good about that. Stand by Braylon Allen getting, oh, I don't know, 100% opportunity share.
40:19Even Kenyon Sadiq, right? Go back to the fab guidance.
40:22We said, get Kenyon Sadiq. Bid up Kenyon Sadiq.
40:2510 plus percent of your fab budget on Kenyon Sadiq.
40:28Why not? I'll spend more on Kenyon. We suggested spending more on Kenyon Sadiq than any wide receiver last week.
40:34And Kenyon Sadiq put up a zero. But he put up a zero with a higher snap share and a higher route participation rate.
40:42The underlying usage metrics on guys like Basial Tootin, guys like Kenyon Sadiq, Braylon Allen, Ollie Gordon, all good.
40:48All good. Especially, especially the one, the one metric, the one usage metric from week four.
40:53I was very encouraged by Ollie Gordon's route participation rate compared to Jalen Wright.
40:57It was 45 to 10. So Ollie Gordon is absolutely a buy high coming out of this week because it's not that high.
41:04The beauty is with a guy like Ollie Gordon is whoever has him thinks that they're hoodwinking you because, oh, I got
41:11lucky with a long run for a touchdown from Ollie Gordon.
41:15I'm going to sell high. I'm going to pump and dump.
41:18Go to the fantasy manager with Ollie Gordon and let them cash out on their pump and dump scheme thinking, oh, well,
41:25next week it's going to be Jalen Wright. No, no, no.
41:29Jalen Wright is not the receiver that Ollie Gordon is and certainly not a guy that you can run between the tackles like you can with Ollie Gordon.
41:37Ollie Gordon's a 2000 yard rusher. How they're still naming Jalen Wright the starter, I don't know.
41:43It's not my problem, right? It's just like with Houston.
41:46I don't know why they thought they could be a running team.
41:50That's not my problem. Offensive line's not good. So you stay away from David Montgomery.
41:54I mean, Badgen looked good. No fantasy points, right?
41:57He was more efficient than Jameis Winston, threw fewer picks than Jameis Winston, was in general, performed better as a backup quarterback than Jameis Winston.
42:05But Jameis Winston threw for three touchdowns. All the touchdowns in Chicago went to Monungay.
42:10When you look up and guys like Monungay are dominating DeAndre Swift and you see that trend repeating itself over and over
42:17and over again, go all the way back to Thursday Night Football.
42:20A problem I had with Thursday Night Football is I would have played Roman Wilson.
42:25And I'll show you a team. I'm going to put a team up on the screen soon.
42:30One of my Dynasty League teams in the Kings Classic.
42:34I played Cody. I'm going to show this team.
42:36I'll put it up there right now. Okay? I'll put it up there right now.
42:41So put this team up there. This is it.
42:44Okay? I'm starting Bryce Young, Kendra Miller, Emmanuel Wilson, Devon Vele, the aforementioned Sky Moore, Zay Flowers, Tyler Warren, Mike Gusecki, Arande Gadsden, Michael Penix.
42:52This is a bad team. This is an 0-3 team.
42:55But guess what? I won this week. I'm going to beat Cody.
42:59I haven't won yet. Okay? But I will win.
43:02Okay? I'm probably going to win. Actually, given how this week is gone, I probably won't win.
43:07I'm favored to win 68% to 32% based on win probability on Sleeper.
43:11That means nothing. Why? Week 4. Means nothing. I can't believe I just assumed.
43:15I'm like, this is a game I won. No, you haven't won yet?
43:19What are you talking about? You're far from winning.
43:22Think Vele and Kendra Miller are going to come through?
43:25Maybe. Maybe not. Think Michael Penix is going to come through?
43:29I hope so. He has Shuck. He has Shuck.
43:32Now, I do have Shuck in Monster Leagues. I played my daughter.
43:35And for the second week in a row, you play whatever opposing player on Monster Leagues you want to play.
43:42So you take your players, your team, and you match it up with whoever you want.
43:47The only catch is if you beat the player you're matched up against, you get to capture that player and they're on
43:54your team and you get to play them moving forward.
43:57They're on your roster. So you get to decide how aggressively do you want to try to capture players?
44:03And with Jalen Warren being the primary back with no Rico Dowdle, I'm thinking I can shoot high.
44:08I can aim high. I can go for Jeremiah Love last week.
44:12Got beat by one point. Less than a point.
44:15Fraction of a point. This week, I said, I'm going to capture Ashton Gentry, right?
44:20They'll be playing from behind against Kansas City. Well, they weren't playing from behind.
44:24That was the problem. Why? Week four. Because a lot of...
44:28Again, some blunders, but mostly... Who knew? And then, of course, I said, there was like a minute left and I said, I'm going to lose this.
44:36I'm not going to be able to capture Ashton Gentry.
44:39Watch it happen. Watch him overcome Jalen Warren. And sure enough, boom, he did.
44:44My daughter, on the other hand, picked up Malik Neighbors last week because she played against him last week in a genius-inspired move.
44:51Then decided to play Neighbors against Pickens this week.
44:54Captured Pickens. Then she played Wandale Robinson. No! Actually, what she did was...
44:58No, no! She did something even crazier. She played Neighbors against a Dunze to just get the win.
45:03So now she has a Dunze. Great. Caleb Williams about to come back.
45:07I'm like, that was a smart decision. Way to go capturing a Dunze.
45:12Then, with Wandale, she had him matched up against Pickens.
45:15I couldn't even get my head around it. I still can't.
45:18And how did you know to do that? She won't say.
45:22I want to share it with you guys. I was like, we have a duty, right?
45:27To tell the audience of Top 10 Takeaways. How did you know to do that?
45:31And she's like, well, the cornerback matchup with Houston was tough.
45:35And I thought this was more of a lamb week.
45:38I was like, what? No way! Stop it! Stop it!
45:41No. I mean, it's great logic. That was actually the logic of playing Dalton Kincaid, right?
45:46Dalton Kincaid. The logic was, well, Christian Gonzalez, right?
45:49Well, Christian Gonzalez was ruled out. And then I was like, oh yeah!
45:53This is just all the papers this week thrown into the air.
45:57Like, oh, I guess the logic behind Kincaid is now invalid.
46:00And then you're like, well, does that mean I don't play Kincaid?
46:04Because Kincaid's usage has been way up this year.
46:07And he's been one of the best fantasy tight ends.
46:10This is going to be a shootout. Look at the game total.
46:14Why wouldn't you just play Kincaid? So of course you're playing Kincaid.
46:17Still, regardless, Christian Gonzalez or not. It's just Christian Gonzalez playing would force more throws to the middle of the field.
46:24So it's understandable. Just like Stingley playing forces more passes to the middle of the field.
46:29I don't even know if Stingley played. Did Derek Stingley Jr.
46:33play? Did he play at all? I'm sure he did.
46:36I hope he did. Now I'm like questioning everything.
46:38I'm like, wait, did I miss that one? Did I miss that inactive?
46:43No, no. Of course. Why did Pickens not produce?
46:45She knew. She just knew. This girl, she has been trained well.
46:49I'm still not sure because I'm not 100% sure that the thought process is as sophisticated as she makes it sound.
46:56Because if it is, she's like the smartest 14-year-old in the history of fantasy football.
47:00So I'm like, I'm a little dubious of how you're doing this, but I'm getting beat in this game.
47:06Okay. I'll tell you right now, I was winning after this week.
47:10I'm now losing. It really is going to come down to shuck.
47:14The reason I even mentioned this is because Cody has shuck and I have shuck.
47:19So I have shuck against my daughter, but Cody has shuck against me in the Kings Classic.
47:24And if we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago, I'd be like, oh dude, I definitely want to get
47:31a W in the Kings Classic, even though I probably should be trying to tank.
47:36I'm not because I'm just wired to win and too bad.
47:39And it will help me in the long run.
47:42And I want to beat Cody and that's it.
47:45Now I'm like, I don't even care about what Cody does with shuck against me in the Kings Classic.
47:51I need to beat my daughter. This is getting out of hand.
47:54And now she's capturing all these great players and the rope is like just slipping through my hands.
48:00Oh, I captured a Buka this week. That was my big inspired.
48:04I was like, oh, well, a Buka. Everyone knew to bench a Buka.
48:08Okay. That was not like, that was not a super sophisticated under the radar expert play.
48:13Right. That's what she, she does. The expert plays.
48:16I'm doing these like chalk plays, like playing against a Buka, which of course it worked, but it's not like I'm going
48:23to come on here and brag about it because it was just the chalk move.
48:27Just like I, you know, I had a choice of Emmanuel Wilson or Ollie Gordon and it actually worked.
48:33I played Emmanuel Wilson because it was a home game and game script.
48:37And Ollie Gordon was going on the road to Minnesota.
48:41Nothing to do. You have to believe me. It had nothing to do with Jalen Wright.
48:46It was all about our typical process that we follow on this show and the plays of the week show and playing
48:53Emmanuel Wilson worked even over Ollie Gordon. And hopefully it results in a win against Cody, but because Pittsburgh was playing on
48:59Thursday night, I did not play Roman Wilson. I wanted to play Roman Wilson.
49:04I think Roman Wilson is actually the best receiver on the Steelers.
49:08I am looking every week for reasons to play Roman Wilson, but I also knew there were a bunch of wide receivers that were questionable.
49:15Some would be ruled out. And so I was like, I need to hold back because I might want to play Antonio Williams.
49:23I might want to play John Mechie. I might want to play one of these players.
49:28That's an actual wide receiver two instead of a wide receiver three, which technically Roman Wilson's a wide receiver three Brown's game is not supposed to shoot out.
49:37So I didn't feel like I was missing out a lot in keeping Roman Wilson on the bench, but it's just, it's
49:43part of the strategy that goes into these Thursday night games where if it is a fringe option, I will typically leave
49:50that guy on the bench just because I know a wide receiver will end that.
49:55I can play that. I can either pick up and play, or I have on my bench already.
50:01I can pick them up and stream them because there's an injury ahead of them in the depth chart.
50:07I have Laquan Treadwell on that team. I have Roman Wilson on that team.
50:11I have Demario Douglas on that team. I have Isaiah Williams on that team.
50:15I had a lot of options that produce 15 fantasy points.
50:19You know who didn't produce 15 fantasy points? Josh Downs, right?
50:22Again, that one, not our fault. In-game injuries. No, feeling fine.
50:26Josh Downs continues to be a buy low. Oh, the tight end position, man.
50:30Last week, if you played Darren Waller or you play Dalton Kincaid, don't feel bad.
50:35We were playing him. Darren Waller, I would do it again.
50:38I'm just telling you, tight ends, targets can consolidate.
50:41The moon and the stars can align. The game can shoot out.
50:45Where you can set your watch by a number one wide receiver like a Tett McMillan, you can never truly set your watch by any tight end.
50:53And that was part of the whole thesis of selling high on Travis Kelsey.
50:58Like Travis Kelsey is outperforming his target share and he is enjoying positive touchdown variants.
51:03You got to get out of Travis Kelsey. So certainly we're feeling good about some moves we made last week.
51:09It wasn't a complete debacle, especially Malik Neighbors. Calling the bottom of Malik Neighbors felt good.
51:14His route participation rate was up to 91%. Target share went up.
51:18Air yards went way up, right? Everything's been up from the beginning of the year.
51:22It's been climbing. If you combine week three and week four, it's interesting because he had the 29% target share week three, the 24% target share week four.
51:31So you saw as of week three and four, the target share was starting to get back up to the traditional Neighbors level target shares.
51:39But the air yards did not kick in until this week.
51:42We had five air yards last week, week three.
51:45This week, 113 air yards. And that's when you get the fantasy points.
51:49Ba-boom. And we're getting air yards from Xavier Worthy.
51:52Xavier Worthy, that was a spike week. We called the spike week on Xavier Worthy.
51:57And of all of our calls from last week that I feel good about is just going through, was this, did this come through or not?
52:05That's not interesting. What's interesting is to talk about how and why it may have come to fruition or not.
52:11Xavier Worthy technically did not have a spike week because on his 41-yard bomb, it was not a touchdown.
52:17The touchdown scored, the long touchdown on a 55-yard bomb was scored by Taequann Thornton.
52:22So if you combine Worthy and Thornton, it was a spike week.
52:26It was a massive spike week. It was like Tett McMillan level spike week.
52:30CeeDee Lamb level spike week. If you combine Thornton and Worthy, not quite Tett McMillan.
52:35Nothing could compare to Tett McMillan. But then you're starting to be like, okay, I can compete against Tett McMillan if I
52:42have Worthy and Thornton in one wide receiver spot.
52:45But that's not possible in fantasy. Okay. This was the rare case.
52:48What you saw from Xavier Worthy was the rare case where the number one wide receiver goes down.
52:54And because the next man up was actually a redundant player, it hurt Worthy.
52:58The fact that Rice got hurt meant more snaps and routes for Thornton.
53:02And then that's a second choice. Now a second choice is on the field for Patrick Mahomes and his huge arm to connect deep.
53:10I contend that if Rice never left the game, Worthy gets those bombs.
53:14Worthy does get the spike week. But the Rice injury inadvertently suppressed Worthy in week three, in week four.
53:20Does that track? Are you following me on this?
53:23Is that being followed? Does that even make sense?
53:26Let's bring our producer in. Justin, I'm going to bring you in.
53:29Did that make sense, Justin? Makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
53:32Worthy actually looked really good too. I love how surprised you were.
53:36We did talk about you joining the show at some point just because you're so good pre-show.
53:41I'm like, listen, man, we got to get you some more airtime.
53:45And so now you're here. But we didn't say when.
53:48Like it's not on the show sheet. I just like clicked a button, turned the camera on.
53:54Oh, there's Justin. And you're like, oh, what? Worthy?
53:56What are we talking about? So knowing that we were touting Worthy, yet we had the spike week alert on the plays of the week.
54:04Would you like what you saw from Worthy? I did.
54:07I liked the involvement. Mahomes seemed to look at him on third downs until, like you said, Rice was there.
54:14And then Thornton started being the number one deep target, number one big play target.
54:18And he made the plays, but then he had that ugly injury.
54:22So it's probably going to be Worthy again. We're going back to Worthy.
54:26We're going back to Worthy. There was an, what was the ugly injury?
54:30Thornton, his ankle is looking the opposite way. He made a big play on the left-hand side.
54:36You could see the, how it didn't even, he didn't even feel it.
54:40But he stood up, like he was so excited to make a play and immediately fell back down.
54:45It was, it was an ugly one. It was, it was turned the opposite way.
54:50It was, it was a bad one. I didn't know that.
54:54Yeah. I didn't know about that injury. Apologies. I should have led with that.
54:58The empathy. Apologize. There's just a lot of injuries in the NFL.
55:02It's not good, man. It is not good. So, okay.
55:05Worthy continues to be a potential smash. Nothing's changed.
55:08Okay. Okay. Now another, another, I guess we went with sell high, buy high, sell low, sell high, sell high was Kelsey.
55:15A buy high has to be Purdy. I think about quarterbacks.
55:18I want people trying to, I'm moving on from Trevor Lawrence.
55:22I know we have people that are saying, Hey, we're moving on from Trevor Lawrence.
55:26Is that fine? And I'm thinking, yes, it is fine because this is a team that's going to be relying on their defense.
55:33They're going to be able to sit back. They're not going to be incentivized to throw.
55:39They clearly have a running game with Tootin in this offensive line that's working.
55:43So there's gonna be plenty of games where you just don't get much from Trevor Lawrence.
55:48This is a team I think where you want to play Parker Washington, play Brenton strange in spots.
55:54We said this was the get right week for Brenton strange.
55:57I always say it's so funny. We focus on the negative.
56:00I'm like, Oh, it didn't work out with Darren Waller.
56:04Oh, right. Uh, Christian Gonzalez actually is out. So the, the, the thesis around Kincaid has fallen apart, but actually the other
56:11tight end we talked about did that did hit one out of three is, is all you can hope for a tight end most weeks.
56:18And the buy high continues to be after what we saw this past week on Brock Purdy, right?
56:24I mean, we're talking about a 0.6 EPA per play for the first three weeks, which was number one among quarterbacks the last decade.
56:32Talked about that last week. And then what did he do this past week?
56:36Just an efficient 19 for 32 touchdowns, no turnovers.
56:39He is one of the most efficient quarterbacks of the decade, but you can actually get him.
56:44You can actually, you can actually get him in fantasy because he was the last pick and you know, he's just, he's
56:51not yet perceived as the elite talent that he truly is.
56:54Would you agree with that? Yeah. Uh, I mean, Mike Shanahan or Kyle Shanahan, excuse me, Bronco fan, uh, Kyle Shanahan hand
57:01picked this guy, you know, even though he drafted the Trey land super high, wasted all the capital he saw with this guy doesn't practice.
57:09Like you said, he's just efficient. He gets the ball out on time.
57:13He runs the offense the way it's supposed to be run and he just keeps getting better.
57:19I, you know, I don't see why he isn't, uh, and I'm in the MVP, uh, conversation this year.
57:25He should be. I think he will be like, yeah, I think he will be.
57:29You need to get him now. You need to get him coming off the back of an uninspired fantasy performance.
57:36That was actually quite good in, in real football terms.
57:39I think that's the perfect time to buy a player.
57:42Uh, we, all you're seeing is, is, is good things, good signs, good signals, but the fantasy gamer in the box score
57:49is like, ah, I wish I would've got more from Purdy.
57:52It's funny. My daughter captured Purdy this week. So she played, she played Bryce young against Purdy and captured Purdy.
57:59So all she's doing is like stacking players that I can't compete with.
58:03Like I have Jordan Addison. I have Brian Thomas.
58:05I've captured a Mecca Egbuka. She's rolling out pickings.
58:08She's rolling out neighbors. Purdy. I can't compete with this girl, man.
58:12I'm getting dominated. Pod daughter is dominating me. It's in the blood.
58:16There's some, I don't, I'm very proud. It's tough when you're getting beat, but at the same time, there's a little bit of pride there.
58:24So it's a very cool experience. I've got some clips you want to show coming up, some wide receiver clips.
58:30So I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to go back to the, uh, the solo show.
58:37Justin's great. Love having a producer to jump in and, and, and, uh, and, and, and, and talk, talk, football.
58:43I can't believe how long the show is going.
58:46The show is just going on and on and on and on.
58:49There's no stop. We're not, we're not even close to being done because we're buying low on Carnell Tate.
58:55We're also buying low on Carnell Tate. Uh, I, if it's even low though, I mean, how many fantasy gamers are ignoring targets?
59:03He's not getting any touchdowns. I only say it's by low because it should be so much better.
59:08There should be so many more fantasy points for Carnell Tate.
59:12He's unbenchable. Okay. He's got a 30% target share.
59:15That's Malik neighbors, Drake, London, Puka Nakua level that those are the only rookie receivers that have ever posted a 30% target share.
59:22That's the kind of class that he's in. That's the company he's keeping, but he's not getting touchdowns.
59:27So he doesn't have these spike weeks that are making fantasy gamers drool salivate.
59:32So he's gettable. He's still very gettable. He's not a buy high.
59:36He's not about, he's very much like Michael Wilson.
59:38Michael Wilson actually has a 35% target share in the last couple of weeks and he's getting red zone looks just couldn't
59:45quite convert in the red zone, but he will be.
59:48So Michael Wilson and Carnell Tate, these are by neutrals.
59:52These are by neutral players. Absolutely. That is like takeaway seven or eight.
59:56I don't know. I do want to talk about Darius Cooper.
59:59I want to talk about Efton Chisholm. Takeaway nine is wide receivers are much better than they were 10 years ago.
60:06It's now commonplace for wide receivers to make one hand catches.
60:09I mean, it's pretty unbelievable. If you watch Darius Cooper, if you watch Efton Chisholm, we need to play these clips.
60:16I mean, they are ready to go. We got a clip ready here.
60:20So we're going to play it. And you just got to see this to believe it.
60:25I mean, it's unbelievable. It really, to see it to believe is unbelievable.
60:29So we'll play it. And then he comes over the top and then somehow Moss is the guy.
60:35I have a bunch of Darius Cooper. I have him in that King's Classic roster.
60:39If I was scrolling down, if I had scrolled down past Roman Wilson, you would have seen Darius Cooper.
60:45But I didn't play Darius Cooper because Darius Cooper was technically the wide receiver three.
60:50And that game total was one of those game totals that had come down.
60:54So my rule of thumb, when I'm streaming one of these random wide receivers into these deep dynasty rosters, the third or
61:01fourth or fifth flex spot, I'm picking the player, regardless of their talent profile, that is highest in the target pecking order with the highest game total.
61:10Right. And that's why it was like, at first I was thinking Jordan Watkins is interesting because there's a high game total there.
61:17He's now moving into that wide receiver three role.
61:20We talked about him in the plays of the week, but by the time Sunday rolls around, we had Antonio Williams, Laquan Treadwell.
61:27We had all these players. They're actually moving into the wide receiver two spot.
61:31The difference with Cooper, the reason why Cooper was, is more of a dynasty stash and wasn't necessarily an obvious play this past week.
61:39Of course he wasn't. Is that the team loves him just based on the Parker Washington corollary.
61:44I suggest adding Darius Cooper everywhere. Are you going to be adding him aggressively in the waiver wire?
61:50No. The guy to aggressively add on the waiver wire this week is Emmanuel Wilson, because it's a week to week sport.
61:57And the best thing you can do is get a primary back on a team with a great offensive line.
62:03That's going to be enjoying a lot of positive game script.
62:07That is Seattle. Okay. And I, and the reason why you can get Emmanuel Wilson and he's not even that expensive is because look at Zach Charbonnet's leg.
62:15Most people are like, Oh, Zach Charbonnet back soon.
62:18Zach Charbonnet is back soon. Janarian price only out for four weeks.
62:22What are we really getting from a, you know, Emmanuel Wilson's going to give us a few weeks of production.
62:28Okay. Well, you bet you should have picked him up on Saturday and Sunday.
62:33Even if you didn't just like with Braylon Allen, I say bid a lot.
62:37Like if just get out ahead of the fab guidance, we're going to drop on Patreon, patreon.com slash podfather.
62:43You're going to want Emmanuel Wilson. He is going to be the key to victory for some teams in the next few weeks.
62:50He already has been, he already was in week four, but he's going to do it again and do it again because
62:57this is the time he's going to outproduce David Montgomery.
63:00Don't buy low on David Montgomery. You want to buy high on Emmanuel Wilson because look at that leg.
63:06Look at Zach Charbonnet's leg. Though I thank you, Justin, our, Justin, our producer mentioned that Joe Mixon is working out.
63:13Joe Mixon is dust. I don't care about Joe Mixon.
63:16I'm not getting fooled into underbidding on players. I know are going to be primary backs in great situations.
63:22I'm not going to get fooled. This, there is a significant difference in the size of the leg.
63:28Look at the thigh of Zach Charbonnet on the right versus his thigh on the left.
63:33His quad is half the size. The quad on a surgically repaired leg is half the size because his muscles have atrophied.
63:40It's going to take many weeks for him to build that back up.
63:44And in that amount of time, Emmanuel Wilson is going to be playing the primary back role in helping you win fantasy matchups by scoring touchdowns.
63:52And sometimes he's going to catch some balls out of the backfield on random occasions and score like he did last week on a reception.
64:00But that's how you play fantasy football. You go out and you put it, you put your, your bids down and you
64:07go get a Braylon Allen for two, three, four weeks.
64:10You go get Emmanuel Wilson for two, three, four weeks and you piece it together and you make the playoffs and you make a run.
64:18That's how you play. You don't waste it on wide receivers.
64:21You don't waste those fab bids on players in doom situations like Caleb Johnson.
64:25It's a doom situation with that offensive line in Green Bay.
64:29That's why we weren't. We would have been super in on Caleb Johnson if Green Bay had a better offensive line, but they don't.
64:36So we weren't. But it's just, it's super cool to see how good these players are.
64:41I mean, it really is unbelievable, right? Look at Efton Chisholm.
64:45I mean, Efton Chisholm is a backup to a backup to a backup.
64:49And you look at what he's doing, making these one hand catches, getting his coach fired up.
64:54It's a pleasure to watch. And we did not have this level of talent in the league.
65:00The Patriots could not just roll out their number five wide receiver and have him make spectacular one hand catches a la
65:07Edelman in the Super Bowl that you just wouldn't see that.
65:10I mean, this was, this was a feel good video that I saw where you have Efton Chisholm getting congratulated.
65:16Look at that. I would want to play for that right there.
65:20That's all I need to see. I want to play for Mike Vrabel just based on that.
65:25I felt so good for it for Chisholm. Felt good for the Patriots to win this game, even though Romeo Dobbs, man.
65:32Romeo Dobbs. Again, how smart and how good at this is my daughter?
65:36When she saw Romeo Dobbs score a touchdown, she was both happy and sad at the same time.
65:42And I was like, why are you, why are you conflicted?
65:45She's like, dad, I'm conflicted about this because I don't want people thinking Romeo Dobbs is good.
65:51And I was like, well, that's a, the right perspective.
65:54I agree with that. And then he does this, right?
65:57He does this in that game as well. I think this might've happened before or after.
66:02I don't know. It might, I think this happened after the touchdown or he scored two touchdowns.
66:07Maybe this happened between the two touchdowns. I don't remember the timeline of events, probably between the two touchdowns.
66:13He, he, he, uh, he caused an interception that, uh, boggles the mind.
66:17So there were some mind boggling catches and interceptions in this one game and in the NFL in week four, that's a
66:24Romeo Dobbs special where he somehow makes the catch and then flicks the ball up in the air as he's rolling over untouched.
66:32And then it becomes interception. I mean, that was just so Dobbs right there.
66:36And yet what does he do? Has it, hasn't he, he puts up a nice fantasy performance because you follow the targets.
66:43He's still playable, startable in fantasy. Why? Because he's the number one in a high point total game.
66:49It's supposed to be a shootout and he's the number one receiver.
66:52So you have to play him. I hate it, but you have to play him just like you're considering.
66:58Maybe I play Laquan Treadwell. Maybe I played John Mechie.
67:01Why? Because they are operating as wide receiver twos, starting receivers in games that are supposed to shoot out.
67:07You can't worry about the talent profile of the wide receiver at that point.
67:12You just can't. You can't. If you chase a guy like Darius Cooper, because you know, the team loves him and he's
67:19capable of these kinds of big plays and he's been touted wildly throughout training camp, you're probably going to end up with
67:26fewer fantasy points at the end of the year.
67:28If you keep playing wide receiver threes and wide receiver fours, just hoping that they get an opportunity as opposed to the
67:35guys, you know, are going to be running the routes.
67:38You know, we're going to get targets. It might be eight fantasy points, but they might score a touchdown.
67:44That is the way to go. So I don't want to chase Darius Cooper, though.
67:49I love him. I didn't play him at all this week.
67:53I don't feel bad about not playing him, but you can love.
67:56That's why we have dynasty teams and we have seasonal league teams so we can pick up players and play them in
68:03seasonal leagues and a dynasty as well. But also if we're not ready to play them, if they're still technically the wide
68:10receiver three, but we know there's a lot of positive buzz.
68:14We know there's talent 40% dominator rating at Tarrington state.
68:17Darius Cooper is a good player. He's a good football player.
68:20We know this. The Eagles know this. But playing a wide receiver three in a low point total game is not good
68:27process no matter what, no matter how good that player is.
68:31So you pick them up. You stash them in dynasty and you reap the rewards.
68:35That's the way to that's the way you capitalize.
68:38Right. Just like when teams are playing the jets, you play those running backs.
68:43Right. If you play DeAndre Swift, don't feel bad.
68:45Right. Week four was a debacle. DeAndre Swift was a great process play.
68:49Just all the production went to modern guy. This coming week, you're playing Quinshawn Judkins.
68:54Doesn't matter. It's the Browns. It's the jets. You play Judkins.
68:58And I'm running it back with Braylon Allen as well because he had 100% opportunity share.
69:03So running it back with Emmanuel Wilson, whether he signed Joe Mixon or not.
69:07Mike McDaniel is going to be fired. At some point, a Marion Hampton is going to erupt.
69:12He got the touchdown this week. So now you might see a manager thinking, well, actually, I'm going to sell high.
69:19This is a little mini sell window. You should approach the Marion Hampton dynasty owner because they might view week four as
69:26a mini sell window when you're not trying to pick up a Marion Hampton for next week.
69:31You know, this offensive line, this coaching staff is a debacle just like week four was the debacle week.
69:37But you want a Marion Hampton for his career.
69:40He is going to be awesome. He is a total all-purpose stud being dragged down by circumstance.
69:45And this might be a little, you might convince the fantasy manager who has him to sell now on the back of
69:52this touchdown, but there's no better buy low right now.
69:55I mean, Hampton's a buy low in dynasty in a very specific search circumstance.
70:00Where the manager that has him is a win now manager.
70:03You could potentially pry a Marion Hampton away from that manager.
70:07I would use this as an opportunity to do that, that touchdown he scored in week four.
70:12But the buy low of all across the board in every format right now is Colston Loveland.
70:17Nine more targets in week four, still no touchdowns, even though he's getting red zone targets in every game just hasn't actually scored a touchdown.
70:25As soon as he scores a touchdown, everyone's going to wake up.
70:29But for now, you got to get him. From here moving forward, he will be the second most productive tight end in all of fantasy after Brock Bowers.
70:38And the final thing I want to say before we wrap up today is thank you to Drake May.
70:44It was a huge relief. We talked about it on the Starter Stream show at length, how there was so much at
70:51stake for a couple of these teams. Number one being the Patriots.
70:54That if they got embarrassed by the Bills, their season was over.
70:58Drake May rose up and showed why he has a Josh Allen comp on playerprofiler.com.
71:03There have been whispers at playerprofiler that maybe, maybe Drake May would lose his Josh Allen comp.
71:08And he rose up and he said, no. He said, I know receivers matter and I don't have any.
71:14And that's okay. They both did. You know what?
71:17He and Josh Allen both did. They said, you know what?
71:20DJ Moore's out. We're going to feed Keon Coleman.
71:23We're going to be competitive in this game with Keon Coleman in the back of the end zone.
71:29Why? Because Josh Allen's elite. And then Drake May says, I see your Keon Coleman and I'll do you one better.
71:36I have Romeo Dobbs. We're going to make him a top fantasy producer this week.
71:40Both Romeo Dobbs and Keon Coleman posted exactly 23 fantasy points in week four.
71:45And if that is not the perfect illustration of one of those weeks, I don't know what is.
71:50It would have been great for Wilson. It would have been great for Wilson.
71:55Wilson. There's a lot of Wilson to talk about today, but not necessarily in that game.
72:00It would have been great for Watson. Great for golden.
72:03Guess if you could buy in golden and Watson, you get Wilson.
72:07That's probably where that came from. Anyway, that's what we talked about with Chuck on the, on the place, on the top
72:1410 takeaways on the, on the starter stream show doing too many shows.
72:18Can't keep them all straight. I probably talked about it all.
72:21We coined the term. We talked about it on every show.
72:24We coined the term on the starter stream show.
72:27It's a past fire hose. I think I'm going to lose this particular performance on the other brother's allerdings.
72:33I always say in the serenearnya, you know where we're on bone tackle.
72:37Thank you.