0:00Top 10 Takeaways Whoa Whoa Boo Boo Well, that was a week.
0:04That was week four. I hope you all survived and advanced somehow.
0:07I don't know of many of my teams that won their matchups.
0:11Full disclosure, this is the worst week the Podfather has had in fantasy football in a long time.
0:17In a long, long time. Perfectly happy with the usage of a bunch of players that we liked.
0:22Very unhappy with the result almost across the board.
0:25Some good processes, some bad results, but also some bad processes and some bad results.
0:30And yes, there was a little bit of good process, good result along the way.
0:35Yes, that did happen, but it wasn't like week one, two, three.
0:38Right? Week one, two, three, we saw everything coming.
0:41We knew week two would be a shit show as it always is.
0:45And week one, week three, we completely shredded. Nothing was a surprise.
0:49Everything was normal through three weeks of NFL action.
0:52Everybody's talking about how weird this season is and how weird week one was, but it doesn't compare to how weird week two was.
0:59And then all week three was such a weird week.
1:02I didn't find anything weird about anything that's happened so far until now, until today.
1:07And there was, there was a signal. It was known that this would be a cataclysmic week for fantasy points scoring, NFL
1:14points scoring, some very smart people with a lot of money to spend with sports books.
1:19They knew it, they knew it. And I found the breadcrumbs leading back to what they knew and how they knew it.
1:26These are the NFL week for betting odds on ESPN.
1:29Okay. The NFL week for betting odds. I think that you'll see something interesting as we scroll down and look through these odds.
1:36Colts commanders opens at 48 and a half close at 48 and a half.
1:40Nothing to see here. All of a sudden, we see jets bears opened at 45 closed at 43 and a half Patriots
1:47bills opened at 49 and a half close at 48 and a half Cardinals giants.
1:52Giants opened at 45 and a half close at 44 and a half Cowboys Texans actually bumped up from when it closed
1:59from when it opened by a point Jags Bengals stayed at 51 and a half the entire week.
2:05Now look at Packers Buccaneers. It opened at 47 and a half.
2:08I couldn't even get my head around this. Like I was like, wait, is that a seven or a five?
2:15That's actually a seven. It opened at 47 and a half.
2:18It closed at 38 and a half when this line opened originally, maybe it was pre Baker Mayfield injury, but it went down even more from there.
2:26Rams Eagles opened at 47 and a half close at 42 and a half.
2:31No quarterback injuries there, right? Titans Ravens. There was a quarterback injury in game.
2:35Lamar Jackson opened at 47 and a half close at 42 and a half dolphins Vikings opened at 43 and a half
2:42closed at 38 and a half on and on and on and on.
2:46We're seeing up to a 10 point correction from when the line opened.
2:50And again, could have opened before the Baker Mayfield injury comes down to 42 and a half after the Baker Mayfield injury
2:57with the, you know, super early lines come out before the games on Sunday have even finished for the following Sunday understood.
3:04And then it corrects and it corrects. Most of these games kept correcting down, kept correcting down those that are studying with
3:11the most computational firepower, finding out, wait a second.
3:13This team is a terrible matchup for that team.
3:16That team is also a terrible matchup for this team.
3:19This team strengths are going right into the teeth of this team's defensive strengths.
3:24So the offensive strength is going up against the defensive strength and it becomes strength against strength.
3:29Or you have a situation where the Packers, they have a strength, which is air yard, pushing the ball downfield.
3:35They're going up against a pass funnel defense in the Buccaneers.
3:39You would think, well, that's, that's strength against weakness.
3:42But then what that's offset by the fact that you need competent quarterback play on the other side to force the Packers to throw it all.
3:50So I loved this idea of the Packers playing the Buccaneers.
3:53If Baker Mayfield were under center, I think that would have been a very different game.
3:58It would have been a prolific Jordan love game.
4:01A lot of interesting stuff. When you look at these lines, it becomes clear that once all the data came in and
4:08all the conclusions were drawn about how these game scripts were going to play out and how the strengths and weaknesses of
4:15the offenses and defense that were matching up in week four, that very smart people with a lot of money to spend
4:22came to the conclusion that most of these games were going to disappoint and that the games where there was going to
4:28be a lot of scoring, it was going to be a lot of random events and outcomes on the field and wouldn't
4:35necessarily affect your fantasy team in a positive way.
4:38So if you had a bad week four, just know that the bookmakers and the smart money saw it coming and you shouldn't feel as bad.
4:46Like I felt much better about this. Like if I woke up very tilted, I went to bed tilted.
4:52I woke up tilted. This was a tilting week.
4:55This was the week. Everyone's talking about every week.
4:58This is the weird week. This was the weird week.
5:01I mean, it started so badly on Sunday morning where we needed Marcus Mariota to stay healthy.
5:06I can't believe I'm saying that out loud, but that's something we needed.
5:10We needed Marcus Mariota to stay healthy. And what, right?
5:13He goes down and then they're bringing in a guy, it's hard to pronounce name.
5:18I'm not even going to try. And they bring in a guy that I've barely heard of.
5:23And of course, what does that mean for what the Colts are going to do?
5:28That just means the Colts are like, okay, we're just going to run Jonathan Taylor.
5:33We don't need to, we don't need to throw the ball to Josh Downs.
5:37And the commanders are like, we'd love to throw the ball to digs if we could.
5:42So us fantasy gamers playing Josh Downs, playing Stefan Diggs with a matchup that was supposed to have a high, a high
5:49total with two pass funnel defenses playing against each other.
5:52This is what you want. It was a 48 and a half point total.
5:56You cannot feel bad if you streamed Daniel Jones or you streamed Marcus Mariota, the two most popular streamers of the week.
6:03Like when we were setting up the plays of the week, I felt bad.
6:08I was like, we're going chalk with these streaming quarterbacks, but I mean, Daniel Jones, there's no better week to play him.
6:15There's no better week to play Marcus Mariota. So when they're both in great situations to play each other, you should just play one of them.
6:23That was the logic that was sound logic. And then Mariota gets hurt in the first half and it's over.
6:29It's finished. It's vaporized. The game becomes just foobard.
6:32You can't worry about it. When injuries happen before the game, that can really help us.
6:37You can find a way to plug in Emmanuel Wilson.
6:40When you hear, Oh, Jadarian Price, he's going to IR.
6:43Oh, where, where, where's, where's Emmanuel Wilson? Where's Emmanuel Wilson?
6:46That news comes out Saturday afternoon, Saturday evening. I had a birthday party to go to.
6:51I'm finding out about this stuff and I, I've had some cocktails and then I got to wake up and do starter stream with Chuck.
6:59And I'm trying to process on this foggy brain.
7:02What is Emmanuel Wilson's upside? This is pretty good, pretty good situation, but also there's George Alani.
7:07Then it depends. Can the Chargers force the Seahawks into passing situations where we're going to see some George Alani or is
7:14it just going to be the Emmanuel Wilson show?
7:17And every single week, I think, well, the talent of this team, it has to find some balance at some point, some
7:23footing where they can at least make it a game where it's not just going to open up 20 to six in the first half.
7:31And you just lean on Emmanuel Wilson, the entire game.
7:34If you've watched football over the past three weeks, that's what you assumed would happen.
7:39But knowing the talent profile of the Chargers offensive line, their quarterback, their weapons, the, this vaunted, esteemed coaching staff, you'd have
7:46to think that, well, they could eventually give the Seahawks a game.
7:50No. And what does that mean? It's the Emmanuel Wilson show touches targets consolidate JSN Emmanuel Wilson.
7:55Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe you're going to get some Rashid Shaheed, maybe a deep bomb to Rashid Shaheed, but they don't need it.
8:02They don't need it. These teams are not putting the Seahawks in a position where they need to throw the ball down the field as much.
8:10And so Rashid Shaheed has not yet had a spike week, but then again, the Seahawks didn't have to do it last year either.
8:18Seahawks have been in more close games, been playing with a lead less this year than they have been last year, a
8:25lot less this year and still no Rashid Shaheed.
8:27It's just an incredibly different, it's an incredibly difficult team environment for a deep bomb taker, a deep bomb executor, a shot
8:34caller, if you will, in a Rashid Shaheed to have a spike week.
8:38Things really need to line up and they're not.
8:41So really, it's consolidating around Emmanuel Wilson and JSN.
8:44When you find out about these injuries before the game, you can get excited.
8:48When they happen during the game and you're streaming Marcus Mariota, or you're streaming Daniel Jones, all you can do is shake
8:55whatever device you're watching the game on. We found out, thank you to Adam Schefter, by the way, we found out well
9:02before the game, Jalen Coker is unlikely to play.
9:05We found out in the morning. That was so important.
9:08Before Adam Schefter was around, we used to go into Thursday night football wondering whether Jalen Coker was going to play.
9:15And then if you have to sub him out that now your choices are highly limited.
9:20So I want to thank Adam Schefter for letting me know to take Jalen Coker out of all my lineups.
9:26It was actually quite a tedious process to take him out of all my lineups, but I'm glad I did.
9:32Sleeper has this auto sub feature. Use the auto sub feature.
9:35Every time I see a guy is questionable. Even though I thought Jalen Coker was going to play, we assumed he was
9:42going to play, seemed like he was on track to play, didn't play.
9:46It happens, but at least we found out beforehand.
9:49Little less notice with Terry McLaurin because the game is starting at nine 30, but still like, Oh, we have time.
9:56We can, we can get Antonio Williams in lineups in these deep leagues with lots of flex options, especially dynasty leagues.
10:02I'm in a lot of dynasty leagues. As you know, these, all these orphans I took over plugged in some Antonio Williams seemed like a good process play.
10:11He almost scored a touchdown, but his quarterback went down and the game became, Hey, let's watch the Colts sit on a lead with Jonathan Taylor.
10:19And then we're just crumpling up papers and throwing them away.
10:23But before the game, the Carolina game, we knew it was going to be consolidated.
10:27We knew this was Tett McMillan week shift into Ted McMillan overdrive.
10:31It was just a shame that that game wasn't on the main slate.
10:35Oh, if only that game was on the main slate.
10:38Oh baby, Ted McMillan, Ted McMillan, Ted McMillan. And it was the most consolidated touch distribution of the year.
10:44That was the beauty of that game. And then we saw the law of the conservation of touches was on display like
10:51never before in Carolina with this Carolina game. I mean, it was a beautiful thing to watch.
10:56It was a beautiful thing to behold. What if you don't have any more running backs left?
11:02And what if you don't have any more wide receivers left except your number one running back and your number one receiver?
11:08It's just, it's a very rare thing that that would ever play itself out.
11:13And yet it did. And they happen to be at home against the lions.
11:17It was just the absolute nuts setup for Ted McMillan.
11:20And then typically what would happen is just when you were ready to go all in on young Hubbard McMillan, that, that
11:27trio Bryce Young would go down, right? That's what would, Oh, that's what we can't have nice things throughout the day.
11:34We couldn't have nice things. We couldn't have nice things.
11:37The NFL kept dangling and then taking away, dangling and then taking away.
11:41But I can't claim that it was the most shocking random event because as we talked about at the beginning of the
11:48show, the smart people, the bookmakers, they knew. And during the starter stream show, we get questions about why is player X?
11:55We had the questions about Jalen Coker. How could you have Jalen Coker ranked so high in week one, week two?
12:01I remember these questions on Sunday morning. And a lot of it went right back to, Hey, the game total is up
12:08there now, like especially week two, week three, week four with Carolina, the game totals getting up there.
12:14So you got to get McMillan in your lineup.
12:17You got to get Coker in your lineup. We recommended playing Darren Waller and you know, it was a catastrophe.
12:23We're going to get into this a little bit later in the show, but we are going to go through some of
12:30the plays of the week from last week. Some of my top 10 takeaways, some of the fab guidance.
12:36I want to do a retrospective, a learning retrospective to find out where the process was wrong, but the outcome might've been right where the process was right.
12:44And the outcome was wrong and so on and so on and so on.
12:49McMillan had 16 targets and almost 200 yards with two touchdowns because the second receiver was John Mechie.
12:54John Mechie becomes interesting in that game environment. When you're me and you have John Mechie in these deep dynasty leagues, John
13:01Mechie is a guy that I play. I started some John Mechie, just like I played some Antonio Williams because it's a
13:08question of, will I have all these wide receiver threes?
13:11And I'm trying to find the exact right scenario.
13:14And I thought, as we talked about in the plays of the week, it might've been Sky Moore.
13:20No, no Sky Moore playing Sky Moore as a fringe desperation option was not good enough.
13:25That was bad advice because the game total was 38 and a half.
13:29That's why for no other reason, no other reason than that game total is a fun marker in the sand to aim
13:35for, to challenge, to push every week. There's a game where we're like every game has tens of millions of lines of
13:42code grinding predicted outcomes, projections for yards, points scored, ultimately fantasy points for all these games across all these bookmakers, all these sports books.
13:50It's the law of big numbers, the big data game.
13:53That's the best thing you can go on is the game total.
13:57That is every week. Our starting point for creating projections is what is the game total?
14:02And we work from there because that's where you have the ability to take advantage of big data.
14:07Big data is your friend and it is best illustrated in the world of betting and fantasy sports in the game totals.
14:14And yet there are situations where we have edge and we say, I think this game is going to go over.
14:21I think this game is going to go under.
14:24I have a self-imposed rule that because game totals are such a powerful signal, such an incredible tool, the foundation of any
14:30projection system that you can at most go against game totals, predict a game total to be significantly one way or the
14:37other over or under once a week only. That's it.
14:40And the game I chose last week to say, you know what?
14:44I'm going to take some players in this game with a 38 and a half point total.
14:49I posted it on Twitter. I said, I think, I think I got to play Bucky Irving this week.
14:55I got to do it. I might even dabble with a little sky more in these deep leagues.
15:01And the theory is that it's not a pass funnel defense that the Buccaneers have.
15:06It's not just that it's that not only do the Buccaneers have a pass funnel defense, the Packers themselves have a pass funnel offense.
15:13So you have pass funnel defense with the pass funnel offense.
15:17They meet it's a pass fire hose. We coined the term we talked about on every show.
15:22We coined the term on the starter stream show and I just couldn't get off it.
15:27Couldn't get off Matthew Golden. Couldn't get off Christian Watson.
15:30Couldn't bench those guys. Wasn't saying these are plays of the week, but when I was trying to pick a fringe wide
15:37receiver three, not knowing all these guys would eventually become wide receiver twos because of injuries being reported on Friday night, Saturday,
15:44Sunday morning, we had, we, we identified Antonio Williams and sky more Antonio Williams.
15:48Like, Oh, he's a wide receiver too. If we were republishing it Sunday morning, I would have said John Mitchie wide receiver two, right?
15:56If we had the option, I like Roman Wilson.
15:58We didn't have those options. We ended up with sky more in a game, a wide receiver three in a game with
16:05a 38 and a half point total and playing Bucky Irving in a game where the Buccaneers had the fewest implied points
16:12of almost any team on the slate. It was a terrible game situation to play Bucky Irving.
16:17They're going on the road with their backup quarterback.
16:20And this is not a top 10 backup quarterback in the league.
16:24What are we doing? Right? It was actually at home.
16:27It was actually at home. That was why that had to be why, you know what?
16:32That is why I think that is why I was concerned.
16:36If you go to my tweet at fantasy underscore mansion, I was concerned about the game total.
16:41I said, in spite of the game total, I'm playing Bucky Irving.
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17:28It's going to be great. Played Bucky Irving. Right.
17:31In spite of the low game total. And the reason I did was because he was at home.
17:37I was like, okay, well, at least he's at home.
17:40You know, if it were a road game, if they were going to green Bay, no way I play Bucky Irving.
17:46No way. But I talked myself into it because it was a home game.
17:51That is how, that is how it played out.
17:54So I'm thinking through, I'm like, how did it come to be?
17:57There's no way I would have played him on the road, but at home, what else are they going to do?
18:04They're going to be drawn up plays for Bucky Irving.
18:07They want to make it easy. They want to make a point and click offense for Jalen Daniels.
18:13And then a running back did score a touchdown on a dump off, but it was Kenneth Gainwell, right?
18:19All the usage trends for Bucky Irving went in the wrong direction.
18:22We're like, he's getting a 70 plus percent snap share and opportunity share.
18:26And then now with the backup quarterback, suddenly it's more Kenneth Gainwell.
18:30Okay, cool. I could look back and say, I was playing Bucky Irving based on this usage trend.
18:36And then the team inexplicably changed that trend. Not my fault.
18:39It was my fault. It was my fault. If there was one takeaway where I made an error, where I would admit
18:46making an error in week four, it was playing Packers and Buck and Buccaneers in a game with a 38 and a
18:53half point total, because I said, this is the one game where I think it's going to go over.
18:59Jalen Daniels can make plays. He's not Jaden Daniels, but he can make plays.
19:03And this team has weapons. He can get the ball to a Buka.
19:07They're going to draw plays in and around the line of scrimmage that will allow them to matriculate the ball down the field.
19:14He doesn't have to push the ball down the field.
19:18They got Godwin. They get a Buka. They got Bucky.
19:21They got Kenneth Gainwell. This is a great setup for a backup quarterback.
19:25I think this game's going over, especially because on the other side, you're going to have Jordan Love airing it out against
19:32the Buccaneers secondary and the Buccaneers aren't going to let the Packers run the ball at all.
19:37So the Packers won't be able to run the ball at all.
19:41So this game's going over. It didn't, it went under.
19:44And you play this game where you try to beat Vegas.
19:47Sometimes you get got. So we got got, we pushed it.
19:51We pushed it. We're like, okay, three weeks in a row.
19:54We can find the game that's going to go over.
19:57Usually it's because of the jets follow the jets this week.
20:01Didn't love the jets. Not sure why wasn't super into all these jets.
20:05Wasn't playing Isaiah Williams as a fringe option. Could have didn't.
20:08We were playing Braylon Allen. Not good. Even though that one is the opposite of the Bucky Irving play.
20:14The Bucky Irving play was a mistake. You push your luck every week going against Vegas three times.
20:20You, you, you're in the clear and then you roll a seven on the fourth shot.
20:25And that's, that's what happens. That's sports, but it was a mistake.
20:28Absolutely. Playing Bucky Irving over better options was a mistake.
20:32Playing Sky more in that game with that game total, even though everything looked like it was going over, there was information
20:38I didn't have about that matchup that a lot of smart money had and a lot of big machines with big computers
20:45crunching data had that I didn't that that's the, that's the makings of an error.
20:50I was happy to see it actually, because I was looking at some of these other outcomes thinking, man, it's hard to
20:57argue that this was a mistake, but there's no way you can have a week this bad and not have correctable errors.
21:04And putting any chips on a game with a 38 and a half point total is usually a mistake.
21:10And this week it was, but if you played Braylon Allen, you can't, you can't be regretting that decision.
21:16Braylon Allen had a 100% snap share, 100% opportunity.
21:18He didn't have a 100% snap share, but he had a 100% opportunity share.
21:23He had effectively 100% snap share. I mean, you couldn't have asked for anything more.
21:27It's just the Jets didn't fire at all ever in this game.
21:31You shrug your shoulders and move on. There's nothing you can do.
21:35It was a good process. Just like our process of picking up Ollie Gordon over Jalen Wright, right?
21:40We said there's going to be an opportunity to get Ollie Gordon at value, put more, even more down on Braylon Allen
21:47because fantasy football, by the time you get to week four, it's a week to week sport.
21:53It's a week to week game. So you might as well go and get Braylon Allen for this week against the bears next week against the Browns.
22:01And then all these future weeks where anything can happen.
22:04You want Braylon Allen and then you want Ollie Gordon and get out of here with Jalen Wright.
22:10And they're naming Jalen Wright, the starter. And I'm just like, okay, go to the dynasty rankings, go to any rankings.
22:16You're going to see Ollie Gordon is here. Jalen Wright is here.
22:20Why? Because Ollie Gordon sadly is similar to Ramadre Stevenson in that he's bigger.
22:24He's better between the tackles and he's better in the passing game than a slasher like Jalen Wright.
22:30And that's what's happening in new England is the Patriots are deploying their offense and all these different games situations.
22:36And they're like, well, Ramadre Stevenson actually helps us here.
22:39Ramadre Stevenson is a better, a better player in this situation.
22:43Ramadre Stevenson has more utility in this down and distance.
22:46And then you look up and this is how Ramadre Stevenson has played 59% of new England snaps to Travion's 37%.
22:53Ramadre is almost doubling the route participation rate of Travion Henderson.
22:56This is a, this is an absolute debacle. What's happening with Travion Henderson.
23:00He is looking like a bust. Shadarian Price looking like a bust.
23:04If you go down the board, another takeaway, I think this is takeaway three, four.
23:08I don't know. I've already lost track. Will we get to 10 takeaways?
23:13Will we go over 10 takeaways? We're never going under 10 takeaways.
23:16How far over 10 takeaways really is the question or as, as it is every week, right?
23:22Takeaway number one was nothing compares to full opportunity consolidation.
23:25No Jalen Coker, no Ligot, no HN ETN in the backfield, no Jonathan Brooks.
23:29What does that mean? It's all about Hubbard, all about Tett McMillan, and maybe some Darren Waller for lucky.
23:35And we weren't lucky. That was takeaway number one.
23:38And takeaway number two is I guess really we're not anywhere.
23:41We haven't gone anywhere. We've really, we're just wrapping up takeaway number one.
23:45So we can move on to takeaway number two.
23:48There was some other sub takeaways in there. So there were some micro takes in there.
23:53I guess that there was a, there was a whole looking back at lessons learned from last week.
23:59And the biggest blunder that I've made all season was explainable and something we can build on and learn from.
24:05So that's a takeaway. So now we're on a takeaway three.
24:08So now we're in takeaway three takeaway three is interesting.
24:12Robust RB was the only way to go in seasonal league drafts.
24:15That was it. And that was all. And by the way, I know I'm still wearing the Mike McDaniel sunglasses.
24:22If you're wondering why the Mike McDaniel sunglasses, I will be wearing these sunglasses until Mike McDaniel is fired.
24:27And I think he will be the first offensive coordinator fired.
24:31He is a fraud. I think he will get another job somewhere, probably in college.
24:36And he will, end up rebuilding his career and he will be back in the NFL, but he has to go to
24:42college and pay a penance in college, but he'll be back.
24:46I'm sure chargers fans are saying there's no way he'll be back.
24:50This is, this is unforgivable. We're Owen for we, I thought we're going to make the super bowl.
24:55I thought charges were a contender to make the super bowl.
24:59Did you put it in the comments? Let us know.
25:02Did you think the chargers had a chance this year during the summer?
25:06Did you think the chargers were a contender for the super bowl?
25:10I did. I did. So it's understandable that he's gone banished forever, never to return.
25:14Not so fast. We will see Mike McDaniel again, but I will continue to wear his sunglasses until he is fired.
25:21So let's go somewhere. I had a listener, I had a listener, send us an email podfather at roto wonderworld.com.
25:27Great email by a listener said, it makes no sense why you wouldn't show the data analysis tool more often on the show.
25:34And I thought about it and I said, well, that's true.
25:38I mean, I use it all the time when I am preparing the show, but I don't often show it on the stream or streaming it live.
25:46So we stream this show top 10 takeaways is streamed on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter X every Monday around one o'clock.
25:52Sometimes it's 1230. Sometimes it's 130. Just depends on how long it takes me to get 10 takeaways.
25:58I wake up in the morning with like five takeaways.
26:01And then I have to find my next five takeaways.
26:04And it, sometimes it takes a few hours. Sometimes it takes five minutes.
26:08And I think it all comes to me at once.
26:11So it's in that zone. We can't always promise exactly one o'clock, but at some point around the one o'clock, we're going
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26:31Unlike anything else. So we go here, we can look up underdog ADP from this past season, this past summer, and then
26:38just juxtapose it with the fantasy points per game.
26:41And you're going to see sorted everyone you would expect to see Gibbs, B-Jean, Christian McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor, James Cook, Chase Brown, Kenneth Walker.
26:48Those were the, the, the top 15 players that were running backs.
26:52That's the list. Then you're, you're at Saquon at that point.
26:55I think Saquon went like 15, 16 in most drafts right after him was a Marion Hampton, H-Chan.
27:01So it falls apart, right? The first five plus running backs, seven running backs, they're all delivering Chase Brown, not exactly, but Chase Brown's giving you just enough.
27:10And these other guys are smashing. Then you get to Barkley, Hampton, H-Chan.
27:14Barkley has been dealing with nagging injuries. H-Chan has a season ending injury.
27:18Anna Marion Hampton is dealing with Mike McDaniel and a dysfunctional offense.
27:22And then you're at Gentee, pick 20. Derrick Henry is absolutely smashing 25 fantasy points a game.
27:27Javante Williams, he's up to 20 fantasy points per game after this week's performance.
27:31He was amazing. He was the running back you wanted.
27:34Jeremiah Love, his usage is going up. I mean, it came back down this week.
27:39So it was massively on the rise. His opportunity share was like over 60%.
27:43That was not sustainable. That week three opportunity share was not sustainable.
27:47But I think what you're going to see moving forward is something between what we saw, like 50-50 with Algier getting the touchdown, sadly.
27:55And then the week before, Jeremiah Love was at closer to 70%.
27:58And it'll settle in high 50s, low 60s, the opportunity share tilting toward Jeremiah Love week in, week out.
28:04So I think week four was a blip. I think what we saw in week three, calling the bottom on Jeremiah Love.
28:11It's only going to continue to go up from here.
28:14He hasn't really cashed in with touchdowns yet. That's coming.
28:17So big spike week's coming for Jeremiah Love. Continue to buy him wherever you can.
28:22And then if you see, if you go right through, Swift went off the board at pick 40.
28:28Then you're into David Montgomery and Cam Scadaboo. If you draw a line right at 50, Quinshawn Judkins, Bucky Irving, Basial Tootin,
28:35if you draw the line right there, that would be essentially the first five rounds of fantasy drafts, right?
28:41Or the first five and a half rounds, however you want to think about it.
28:45Depends if you're in a 10-team league or a 12-team league.
28:49So the first, around the top 50, right? If you say, you know, round down, you're pretty much going to go through Basial Tootin.
28:56And Basial Tootin was good again. He didn't score a lot of fantasy points, but Basial Tootin was an interesting process play this week.
29:04Again, it did not work out for Basial Tootin, but he did see a season high snap share, 57%.
29:10I mean, his previous high snap share was less than 50%.
29:13So it's the first time he's been over 50% with the snaps and he had like 70% of the carries.
29:19And I think his previous career high for carry share was something like 55%.
29:24So we're seeing continued increased usage, a continued commitment to increasing the opportunity share for Basial Tootin.
29:29It's just that in week four, like with most of these players we like, they didn't actually score fantasy points.
29:35And that's okay. Because again, the smart money saw that most of these games in week four were going to get dragged into the mud.
29:43So we know it, it was, it was identified as a trend for this week before anyone kicked off on Sunday.
29:50I was worried. Chuck was worried. We were worried.
29:52This is this, this week smells and we got it.
29:55We got the stinky week, the inexplicable week, the apocalyptic week.
29:59And there are also some, some performances where players dud it out, especially if they were Broncos players that we've all seen this coming.
30:06Cortland Sutton, we know he's dust. This alpha profile turns 31, the big lumbering alpha profile wide receivers.
30:12They turn 31, they're dust. They catch one pass on six targets.
30:16That's the Cortland Sutton experience. J.K. Dobbins. J.K. Dobbins is the running back version of Chris Godwin.
30:21J.K. Dobbins was very efficient last year, right? He had like a 40 plus percent success rate on his runs this year.
30:28It's down to like 25%. Okay. His fantasy points per snap is down from like 0.35 to 0.23.
30:34Like he is not the efficient player. He was last year.
30:37The Broncos offensive line is not what it was.
30:40And I'm done, right? I am done. I am done playing anybody behind one of these bottom five offensive lines.
30:46And I could tell you a team that if they don't have a bottom five offensive line, it's pretty damn close to
30:53bottom five, it's got to be the Houston Texans.
30:56Because I understand that J.K. Dobbins and David Montgomery have had a number of lower body injuries.
31:01And we talked about the, we discussed at length, the Tara McLaurin corollary, whereas if you have a clean bill of health,
31:08you're explosive and you don't suffer a myriad of lower body injuries during your twenties, you can turn 30 and still be a sports car.
31:16J.K. Dobbins does not have that luxury, right? It's been all lower body injuries, all career for J.K.
31:21Dobbins. And it's been all lower body injuries the last five years for Chris Godwin.
31:26So no one is surprised when these players are not efficient anymore.
31:30You can't be. Well, you can't be now that we have the Tara McLaurin corollary.
31:34I'm surprised about Chris Godwin. I thought I was expecting more from Chris Godwin.
31:39Now, if you were bullish on Chris Godwin, you can blame the quarterback situation.
31:43I'm not, I'm blaming myself for not ideating on the potential loss of athleticism and explosiveness due to lower body injuries that became the Tara McLaurin corollary.
31:52The Tara McLaurin corollary was not invented until week three of this season.
31:56So I ended up drafting some Godwin. The teams, according to Dan Fornick, our offensive line expert with the worst offensive lines,
32:0225 and below, like the bottom seven, the bottom eight, right?
32:06Texans, Panthers, Dolphins, Commanders, Browns, Chargers, Titans, Packers. What's wrong with the Chargers offensive line?
32:11I don't know. They have a lot of talent.
32:13They have a lot of draft capital invested and they're incompetent and it's hard to understand why.
32:19The Houston Texans cannot block anybody. So yes, David Montgomery is like J.K.
32:23Dobbins in that a lot of his explosiveness has been sapped over the years and he's 29 years old and and he was a purgatory back.
32:31We had this argument, my argument with John Paulson about is David Montgomery a purgatory back?
32:36Is he a dead zone back? I said, well, he can't be a bad.
32:40I can't, he can't be, he doesn't fit the definition of a dead zone back.
32:45He's being drafted inside the top 50. And this is a team that wants to be a running team.
32:51That's their identity, right? So I think this is a reckoning week for the pod father where I'm getting wrecked.
32:57I want to be reckoned on bad advice in the summer, the errors of the summer.
33:02We get to surface the errors of the summer and surface the errors that happened pre week four, right?
33:08Betting against all the Las Vegas firepower that was fading Packers box.
33:12That was a mistake playing Bucky Irving on sport.fun mistake streaming sky more in a deep dynasty league in flex mistake drafting David Montgomery at all.
33:20Given the Houston Texans offensive line was a mistake just because a team says their identities.
33:25We run the ball. Doesn't mean they just run the ball.
33:28If the Packers say we want to run the ball, doesn't mean they can run the ball.
33:34They can't run the ball. They can't, they've no way to open up any creases or crevices to allow a running back
33:40any space to get any positive yards. So then they have to throw and throw.
33:45They will. Oh, the Packers will continue to throw.
33:48If you can somehow get Matthew golden or Christian Watson or Jordan love now as a buy low, you do it.
33:55That was a blip. That was simply because they knew the bucks had Jalen Daniels and they were going to sit on a lead in the second half.
34:03They didn't have to throw. They didn't have to be prolific.
34:07They will have to be prolific and a bunch of other games against the lions and Kayla Williams in these games in the future.
34:14Bye, bye, bye, buy low on these Packers, but I'm not buying low on David Montgomery because this offensive line is giving him no room to operate.
34:23And even when they have a lead against the Cowboys, the offensive line does not allow them to run for first downs.
34:29And then they have to punt and the Cowboys can come back.
34:33That's the situation when you actually really want a good run blocking unit.
34:37It doesn't matter as much. You'd much prefer to have a great pass blocking unit than a run blocking unit.
34:44If you had to choose, however, in the fourth quarter, if you have a lead, that's when you really want your team
34:50to build a run block and the Texans can't.
34:53And if you have David Montgomery, it's a damn shame because Dave Montgomery has an all-purpose skill set.
34:59He is a touchdown machine on a team with an offensive line.
35:03No matter what the Texans are saying and what they want, it doesn't matter if they can't execute it.
35:08So that was my mistake of the summer thinking, well, we're going to draft based on identity.
35:14Texans want to be a running team. I'm going to, if Dave Montgomery slips to me, I'm going to draft him.
35:20I think it, I think he's a potential value pick in the fifth round.
35:25Look where he's going on underdog. He's going in the fourth round.
35:28I drafted him in the, the player profiler staff league.
35:32I was like, Oh, why you guys don't want Dave Montgomery?
35:35I remember bragging about it. Don't want Dave Montgomery.
35:38I'll take him value trap. Dave Montgomery was a value trap and Bucky Irving at his discounted salary was a, was a value trap this week.
35:46Dave Montgomery was a value trap in redraft and seasonal leagues.
35:49And that's about as much podfather blunder post-mortem as we're ever going to get on the show because I don't like looking back.
35:57I like looking ahead. I like looking ahead, but sometimes we have to look back to look ahead.
36:02So what was one of the takeaways? Do you remember takeaway number five last week?
36:07Takeaway number five last week was Basial Tootin is officially the bell cow in Jacksonville.
36:12You have to get him now. This is a team that is going to what play with a lead.
36:17Everything we've learned, right? Everything we've learned about what matters, what scores fantasy points, where do they come from?
36:23Just in the last five minutes points us where it points us to Basial Tootin.
36:28You have a team with a quarterback that can operate the offense competently at the very least.
36:33Now the problem with Trevor Lawrence is their defense and their running game with Basial Tootin at the head of it is too good.
36:41So if you wanted to sell Trevor Lawrence in seasonal leagues, by all means move on, because this is a situation where
36:48they're going to be able to sit on a lead.
36:51They play the Titans, right? This is not good, right?
36:54There's going to be plenty more games where Trevor Lawrence just doesn't produce.
36:58You're thinking, oh, he's playing the Bengals. I'm starting him.
37:01And then they didn't, they didn't necessarily need him.
37:04It was 13 to three at the half. You know what happens?
37:0813, three, their game plans, like we got to take the air out of the football in the second half.
37:14And that's what they did. The team ended up running the ball almost 30 times.
37:19Again, we talked about it. Basial Tootin had a huge share of the snaps and the carries 17 carries, but no touchdowns.
37:25Didn't get a lot of catches that we ran more routes this time than he's ever run.
37:31And yet only 10 fantasy points. And one of the reasons why was this was a road game.
37:36If they were at home, I'm sure Basial Tootin would have scored a few more points, but Tootin is still under the radar.
37:44He is still very attainable. So if like what we wanted of the Texans is what's happening now with the Jaguars, like
37:50what I thought would play out with the Texans is this is a great defense.
37:55They're going to play defense. They're going to want to run the ball.
37:59They have David Montgomery. They're going to find their running game.
38:03They're going to architect a running game. How could they not at least architect a successful running game?
38:08They've been talking about it all off season. That's all they care about doing to support their defense.
38:14I thought they would. And instead of, you know, going player by player across their offensive line depth chart and come to
38:21the conclusion, it's not going to happen for David Montgomery Jacksonville's offensive line is much better.
38:26And so a Basial Tootin does have that crease to make a big play.
38:30And he has the speed where he gets through that crease and suddenly it's a 20 yard run.
38:36It's a 40 yard touchdown. That is very much in his range of outcomes this year over and over and over again.
38:43We're going to see more of that. I'm all in on Tootin now.
38:47I've seen enough. And the beauty is because week four was such a strict week.
38:51A guy like Tootin is actually still attainable. There's a bunch of guys that didn't score because random players scored.
38:58Michael Wilson's a buy low still. You can, well, buy low, buy high, wherever you think your league mate is on Michael Wilson, buy.
39:05Okay. Maybe your league mate was expecting more somehow.
39:08I think Michael Wilson's delivering at about what I expected.
39:11So I guess I thought, whatever that is by neutral, Michael Wilson's a buy neutral because he's getting all the opportunities that the opportunity share is huge.
39:19Target share for Michael Wilson, like 35% the last couple of games, Marvin Harrison Jr.
39:24Got the touchdown. Elijah Higgins got the touchdown, but not so for Michael Wilson, because again, we couldn't have nice things in week four.
39:32That's the theme. We weren't allowed to have nice things.
39:35We certainly made some errors and didn't help ourselves in some situations, but also the team matchups were conspiring against us with
39:42strengths on strengths and weaknesses on weaknesses. And Vegas saw it.
39:45So clear as day. So I better than I could see it, but thankfully I don't need to have supercomputers running.
39:52I can just check the lines and be like, wait, these lines have all moved down four or five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 points.
39:59Oh, this game, this game, this game, this game, this entire slate, it's going to be a debacle.
40:05And it was, but I mean, I stand by Ollie Gordon over Jalen Wright, feeling pretty good about that.
40:11Stand by Braylon Allen getting, oh, I don't know, a hundred percent opportunity share, even Kenyon Sadiq, right?
40:16Go back to the fab guidance. We said, get Kenyon Sadiq, bid up Kenyon Sadiq, 10 plus percent of your fab budget on Kenyon Sadiq.
40:24Why not? I'll spend more on Kenyon. We suggested spending more on Kenyon Sadiq than any wide receiver last week.
40:31And Kenyon Sadiq put up a zero, but he put up a zero with a higher snap share and a higher route participation rate.
40:38The underlying usage metrics on guys like Basial Tootin, guys like Kenyon Sadiq, Braylon Allen, Ollie Gordon, all good, all good.
40:45Especially, especially the one, the one metric, the one usage metric from week four.
40:49I was very encouraged by Ollie Gordon's route participation rate compared to Jalen Wright.
40:53It was 45 to 10. So Ollie Gordon is absolutely a buy high coming out of this week because it's not that high.
41:01It's the beauty is with a guy like Ollie Gordon is whoever has him thinks that they're hoodwinking you because, oh, I
41:07got lucky with a long run for a touchdown from Ollie Gordon.
41:11I'm going to sell high. I'm going to, I'm going to pump and dump, like go to the fantasy manager with Ollie
41:18Gordon and let them cash out on their pump and dump scheme thinking, oh, well next week it's going to be Jalen Wright.
41:25No, no, no. Jalen Wright is not the receiver that Ollie Gordon is.
41:29And certainly not a guy that you can run between the tackles.
41:33Like you came with all the Gordon, Ollie Gordon's a 2000 yard rusher, how they're still naming Jalen Wright, the starter.
41:40I don't know. It's not my problem, right? It's just like with Houston.
41:44I don't know why they thought they could be a running team.
41:47That's not my problem. Offensive line's not good. So you stay away from David Montgomery.
41:52I mean, Badgen looked good. No fantasy points, right?
41:55He was more efficient than Jameis Winston threw fewer picks than Jameis Winston was in general performed better as a backup quarterback
42:02than Jameis Winston, but Jameis Winston threw for three touchdowns.
42:05All the touchdowns in Chicago went to Monungay. When you look up and guys like Monungay are dominating Deandre Swift and you
42:12see that trend repeating itself over and over and over again, go all the way back to Thursday night football.
42:18A problem I had with Thursday night football is I would have played Roman Wilson.
42:23And I'll show you a team. I'm going to put a team up on the screen soon.
42:28One of my dynasty league teams in the Kings classic.
42:31I played Cody. I'm going to show this team.
42:34I'll put up there right now. Okay. I'll put up there right now.
42:38So put this team up there. This is it.
42:41Okay. I'm starting Bryce Young, Kendra Miller, Emmanuel Wilson, Devon Vele, the aforementioned Sky Moore, Zay Flowers, Tyler Warren, Mike Gusecki, Arande Gadsden, Michael Penix.
42:48This is a bad team. This is an 0-3 team, but guess what?
42:53I won this week. I'm going to beat Cody.
42:55I haven't won yet, but I will win. Okay.
42:58I'm probably going to win. Actually, given how this week is gone, I probably won't win.
43:03I'm favored to win 68% to 32% based on win probability on sleeper.
43:07That means nothing. Why? Week four. It means nothing.
43:10I can't believe I just assumed this is a game I won.
43:14No, you haven't won yet. What are you talking about?
43:17You're far from winning. Think Vele and Kendra Miller are going to come through?
43:21Maybe. Maybe not. Think Michael Penix is going to come through?
43:25I hope so. He has Shuck. He has Shuck.
43:27Now, I do have Shuck in Monster Leagues. I played my daughter.
43:31And for the second week in a row, you play whatever opposing player on Monster Leagues you want to play.
43:37So you take your players, your team, and you match it up with whoever you want.
43:42The only catch is, if you beat the player you're matched up against, you get to capture that player and they're on
43:49your team and you get to play them moving forward.
43:52They're on your roster. So you get to decide, how aggressively do you want to try to capture players?
43:58And with Jalen Warren being the primary back with no Rico Dowdle, I'm thinking I can shoot high.
44:04I can aim high. I can go for Jeremiah Love last week.
44:08Got beat by one point. Less than a point.
44:11Fraction of a point. This week, I said, I'm going to capture Ashton Gentry, right?
44:15They'll be playing from behind against Kansas City. Well, they weren't playing from behind.
44:20That was the problem. Why? Week four. Because a lot of, again, some blunders, but mostly who knew?
44:25And then of course I said, I, there was like a minute left.
44:29And I said, I'm going to lose this. I'm not going to be able to capture Ash and Gentry.
44:35Watch it happen. Watch him overcome Jalen Warren. And sure enough, boom, he did.
44:40My daughter, on the other hand, picked up Malik neighbors last week.
44:43Cause she played against him last week in a genius inspired move.
44:47Then decided to play neighbors against Pickens this week, captured Pickens.
44:51Then she played Wandale Robinson. No, actually what she did was no, no, she did something even crazier.
44:56She played neighbors against a Dunze to just get the win.
45:00So now she has a Dunze. Great. Caleb Williams about to come back.
45:04I'm like, that was a smart decision. Way to go.
45:07Capturing a Dunze. Then with Wandale, she had a matched up against Pickens.
45:11I couldn't even get my head around it. I still can't.
45:14And how did you know to do that? She won't say she wants, I want to share it with you.
45:20I was like, we have a duty, right? To tell the audience of top 10 takeaways.
45:25How did you know to do that? And she's like, well, the cornerback matchup with Houston was tough and thought this was more of a lamb week.
45:34I was like, what? No way. Stop it. Stop it.
45:37No. I mean, it's, it's great logic. That was actually the logic of playing Dalton Kincaid, right?
45:42Dalton Kincaid. The logic was, well, Christian Gonzalez, right?
45:45Well, Christian Gonzalez was ruled out. And then I was like, oh yeah, this is just all the papers this week thrown into the air.
45:53Like, oh, I guess, I guess the logic behind Kincaid is now invalid.
45:57And then you're like, well, does that mean I don't play Kincaid?
46:01Because Kincaid's usage has been way up this year and he's been one of the best fantasy tight ends.
46:07This is going to be a shootout. Look at the game total.
46:10Why wouldn't you just play Kincaid? So of course you're playing Kincaid still, regardless Christian Gonzalez or not.
46:16It's just Christian Gonzalez playing would force more throws to the middle of the field.
46:21So it's understandable. Just like Stingley playing forces more passes to the middle of the field.
46:26I don't even know if Stingley played. Did Derek Stingley Jr.
46:29play? Did he play at all? I'm sure he did.
46:32I hope he did. Now I'm like questioning everything.
46:35I'm like, wait, did I miss that one? Did I miss that inactive?
46:39No, no. Of course. Why did Pickens not produce?
46:42She knew. She just knew. This girl, she has been trained well.
46:46I I'm still not sure because I'm not, I'm not a hundred percent sure that the thought process is as sophisticated as
46:53she makes it sound because if it is, she's like the smartest, uh, 14 year old in the history of fantasy football.
46:59So I'm like, I'm a little dubious of how you're doing this, but I'm, I'm getting beat in this game.
47:06Okay. I'll tell you right now, I was winning after this week.
47:09I'm now losing. It really is going to come down to shock.
47:13This is the reason I even mentioned this is because Cody has shuck and I have shock.
47:18So I have shock against my daughter, but Cody has shock against me in the Kings classic.
47:24And if we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago, I'd be like, Oh dude, I definitely want to get
47:31a W in the Kings classic, even though I probably should be trying to tank.
47:35I'm not because I'm just wired to win and too bad.
47:39And it will help me in the long run.
47:42And I want to beat Cody and that's it.
47:44Now I'm like, I don't even care about what Cody does with shock against me in the Kings classic.
47:50I need to beat my daughter. This is getting out of hand.
47:54And now she's capturing all these great players. And the rope is like just slipping through my hands.
48:00Oh, I captured a Buka this week. That was my big inspired.
48:03I was like, Oh, well, a Buka everyone knew to bench a Buka.
48:07Okay. That was not like, that was not a super sophisticated under the radar expert play, right?
48:13That's what she, she does the expert plays. I'm doing these like chalk plays, like playing against a Buka, which of course
48:20it worked, but it's not like, I'm going to come on here and brag about it because it was just the chalk move.
48:27Just like I, you know, I had a choice of Emmanuel Wilson or Ollie Gordon and it actually worked.
48:33I played Emmanuel Wilson because it was a home game and game script and Ollie Gordon was going on the road to Minnesota.
48:40Nothing to do. You have to believe me. It had nothing to do with Jalen Wright.
48:45It was all about our typical process that we follow on this show and the plays of the week show and playing
48:52Emmanuel Wilson worked even over Ollie Gordon. And hopefully it results in a win against Cody, but because Pittsburgh was playing on
48:59Thursday night, I did not play Roman Wilson. I wanted to play Roman Wilson.
49:03I think Roman Wilson is actually the best receiver on the Steelers.
49:07I am looking every week for reasons to play Roman Wilson, but I also knew there were a bunch of wide receivers that were questionable.
49:15Some would be ruled out. And so I was like, I need to hold back because I might want to play Antonio Williams.
49:22I might want to play John Mechie. I might want to play one of these players.
49:27That's an actual wide receiver two instead of a wide receiver three, which technically Roman Wilson's a wide receiver three Brown's game is not supposed to shoot out.
49:35So I didn't feel like I was missing out a lot in keeping Roman Wilson on the bench, but it's just, it's
49:42part of the strategy that goes into these Thursday night games where if it is a fringe option, I will typically leave
49:49that guy on the bench just because I know a wide receiver will end that I can play that I can either
49:56pick up and play, or I have on my bench already.
49:59I can pick them up and stream them because there's an injury ahead of them in the depth chart.
50:05I have Laquan Treadwell on that team. I have Roman Wilson on that team.
50:10I have Demario Douglas on that team. I have Isaiah Williams on that team.
50:14I had a lot of options that produce 15 fantasy points.
50:18You know who didn't produce 15 fantasy points? Josh Downs, right?
50:21Again, that one, not our fault. In-game injuries. No, feeling fine.
50:24Josh Downs continues to be a buy low. Oh, the tight end position, man.
50:29Last week, if you played Darren Waller or you play Dalton Kincaid, don't feel bad.
50:33We were playing him. We loved him as a play.
50:37Play of the week, off the waiver wire, Darren Waller.
50:40I would do it again. I'm just telling you, tight ends, targets can consolidate.
50:44The moon and the stars can align. The game can shoot out where you can set your watch by like a number
50:51one wide receiver, like a Tett McMillan. You can never truly set your watch by any tight end.
50:57And that was part of the whole thesis of selling high on Travis Kelsey.
51:01Like Travis Kelsey is outperforming his target share and he's enjoying positive touchdown variants.
51:05You got to get out of Travis Kelsey. So certainly we're feeling good about some moves we made last week.
51:12It wasn't a complete debacle, especially Malik Neighbors. Calling the bottom of Malik Neighbors felt good.
51:17His route participation rate was up to 91%. Target share went up.
51:20Air yards went way up, right? Everything's been up from the beginning of the year.
51:25It's been climbing. I mean, if you combine week three and week four, it's interesting because he had the 29% target share
51:32week three, the 24% target share week four. So you saw as of week three and four, the target share was starting
51:39to get back up to the traditional Neighbors level target shares, but the air yards did not kick in until this week.
51:46We had five air yards last week, week three, this week, 113 air yards.
51:50And that's when you get the fantasy points. Ba-boom.
51:53And we're getting air yards from Xavier Worthy. Xavier Worthy, that was a spike week.
51:57We called the spike week on Xavier Worthy. And of all of our calls from last week that I feel good about
52:04is just going through, was this, did this come through or not?
52:08That's not interesting. What's interesting is to talk about how and why it may have come to fruition or not.
52:14Xavier Worthy technically did not have a spike week because on his 41 yard bomb, it was not a touchdown.
52:21The touchdown scored the long touchdown on a 55 yard bomb was scored by Taequann Thornton.
52:26So if you combine Worthy and Thornton, it was a spike week.
52:29It was a massive spike week. It was like Ted McMillan level spike week, CD lamb level spike week.
52:35If you combine Thornton and Worthy, not quite Ted McMillan, nothing could compare to Ted McMillan, but then you're, you're starting to
52:42be like, okay, I can compete against Ted McMillan.
52:45If I have worthy and Thornton in one wide receiver spot, but that's not possible in fantasy.
52:50Okay. This was the rare case. What you saw from Xavier worthy was the rare case where the number one wide receiver goes down.
52:58And because the next man up was actually a redundant player, it hurt worthy.
53:02The fact that rice got hurt meant more snaps and routes for Thornton.
53:06And then that's a second choice. Now a second choice is on the field for Patrick Mahomes and his huge arm to connect deep.
53:14I contend that if rice never left the game, worthy gets those bombs.
53:18Worthy does get the spike week, but the rice injury inadvertently suppressed worthy in week three in week four.
53:24Does that track? Are you following me on this?
53:26Is that, is that being followed? Does that even make sense?
53:30Let's bring our producer in Justin. I'm going to bring you in.
53:34Did that make sense? Justin makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.
53:36Uh, where they actually looked really good too. Uh, I love how surprised you were.
53:41I, we did talk about you joining the show at some point just because you're so good pre-show.
53:47I'm like, listen, man, we got to get you some more airtime.
53:50And so now you're here, but we didn't say when, like it's not on the show sheet.
53:56I just like clicked a button, turn the camera on.
53:59Oh, there's Justin. And you're like, Oh, um, what worthy?
54:02What are we talking about? So knowing that we, we were touting worthy, we get, we had the spike week alert on the plays of the week.
54:10What would you like what you saw from worthy?
54:13I did. Um, I, I liked the involvement. Uh, my home seemed to look at him on third downs, uh, until like you said, rice was there.
54:22And then Thornton started being the number one, deep target, number one, big play target.
54:26Uh, and he made the plays, but then he had that ugly injury.
54:30So it's probably going to be worthy again. We're going back to worthy.
54:34We're going back to worthy. There was an, uh, what was the ugly injury?
54:39Uh, Thornton, uh, his ankle is looking the opposite way.
54:42He made a big play on the left hand side.
54:45His, you could, you could see the, how it didn't even, he didn't even feel it.
54:50Uh, he stood up like he was so excited to make a play and immediately fell back down.
54:56It was, it was an ugly one is it was turned the opposite way.
55:00It was a, it was a bad one. I didn't know that.
55:04I didn't know about that injury. Apologies. Uh, I should have led with that.
55:08The empathy, I apologize. There's just a lot of injuries in the NFL.
55:12It's not good, man. It is not good. So, okay.
55:15Worthy continues to be a potential smash. Nothing's changed.
55:18Okay. Okay. Now another, another, uh, I guess we went with sell high, buy high, sell low, sell high, sell high was Kelsey.
55:25A buy high has to be pretty. I think about quarterbacks.
55:29I want people trying to, I'm, I'm, I'm moving on from Trevor Lawrence.
55:33I know we have people that are saying, Hey, we're moving on from Trevor Lawrence.
55:37Is that fine? And I'm thinking, yes, it is fine because this is a team that's going to be relying on their defense.
55:45They're going to be able to sit back. They're not going to be incentivized to throw.
55:50They clearly have a running game with Tootin in this offensive line that's working.
55:54So there's gonna be plenty of games where you just don't get much from Trevor Lawrence.
55:59This is a team I think where you want to play Parker Washington, play Brenton strange in spots.
56:05We said this was the get right week for Brenton strange.
56:08I always find it's so funny. We focus on the negative.
56:11I'm like, Oh, it didn't work out with Darren Waller.
56:15Oh, right. Uh, Christian Gonzalez actually is out. So the, the, the thesis around Kincaid has fallen apart, but actually the other
56:21tight end we talked about did that did hit one out of three is, is all you can hope for a tight end most weeks.
56:29And the buy high continues to be after what we saw this past week on Brock Purdy, right?
56:35I mean, we're talking about a 0.6 EPA per play for the first three weeks, which was number one among quarterbacks the
56:42last decade talked about that last week. And then what did he do this past week?
56:47Just an efficient 19 for 32 touchdowns, no turnovers.
56:50He is one of the most efficient quarterbacks of the decade, but you can actually get him.
56:55You can actually, you can actually get him in fantasy because he was the last pick and you know, he's just, he's
57:02not yet perceived as the elite talent that he truly is.
57:05Would you agree with that? Yeah. Uh, I mean, Mike Shanahan or Kyle Shanahan, excuse me, Bronco fan, uh, Kyle Shanahan handpicked
57:12this guy, you know, even though he drafted the trail and super high wasted all the capital he saw with this guy doesn't practice.
57:20Like you said, he's just efficient. He gets the ball out on time.
57:24He runs the offense the way it's supposed to be run and he just keeps getting better.
57:29Uh, you know, I don't see why he isn't, uh, and I'm in the MVP conversation this year.
57:35He should be. I think he will be like, yeah, I think it will be.
57:39You need to get him now. You need to get him coming off the back of an uninspired fantasy performance.
57:45That was actually quite good in, in real football terms.
57:49I think that's the perfect time to buy a player.
57:52Uh, we, all you're seeing is, is, is good things, good signs, good signals, but the fantasy gamer in the box score
57:59is like, ah, I wish I would've got more from Purdy.
58:02It's funny. My daughter captured Purdy this week. So she played, she played Bryce young against Purdy and captured Purdy.
58:08So all she's doing is like stacking players that I can't compete with.
58:12Like I have Jordan Addison. I have Brian Thomas.
58:15I've captured Emeka Egbuka. She's rolling out pickings. She's rolling out neighbors, Purdy.
58:19I can't compete with this girl, man. I'm getting dominated.
58:22Pod daughter is dominated. It's in the blood. It's in the blood.
58:26There's some, I don't, I'm very proud. It's tough when you're getting beat, but at the same time, there's a little bit of pride there.
58:34So it's a very cool experience. I've got some clips you want to show coming up, some wide receiver clips.
58:40So I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to go back to the, uh, the solo show.
58:47Justin's great. Love having a producer to jump in and, and, and, uh, and, and, and talk, talk football.
58:53I can't believe how long the show is going.
58:55The show is just going on and on and on and on.
58:59There's no stop. We're not, we're not even close to being done because we're buying low on Carnell Tate.
59:05We're also buying low on Carnell Tate. Uh, I, if it's even low though, I mean, how many fantasy gamers are ignoring targets.
59:12He's not getting any touchdowns. I only say it's by low because it should be so much better.
59:18There should be so many more fantasy points for Carnell Tate.
59:21He's unbenchable. Okay. He's got a 30% target share.
59:24That's Malik neighbors, Drake, London, Puka Nakua level that those are the only rookie receivers that have ever posted a 30% target share.
59:31That's the kind of class that he's in. That's the company he's keeping, but he's not getting touchdowns.
59:37So he doesn't have these spike weeks that are making fantasy gamers drool salivate.
59:41So he's gettable. He's still very gettable. He's not a buy high.
59:45He's not about, he's very much like Michael Wilson.
59:48Michael Wilson actually has a 35% target share in the last couple of weeks and he's getting red zone looks just couldn't
59:55quite convert in the red zone, but he will be.
59:58So Michael Wilson and Carnell Tate, these are by neutrals.
60:01These are by neutral players. Absolutely. That is like takeaway seven or eight.
60:05I don't know. I do want to talk about Darius Cooper.
60:08I want to talk about Efton Chisholm. Takeaway nine is wide receivers are much better than they were 10 years ago.
60:15It's now commonplace for wide receivers to make one hand catches.
60:18I mean, it's pretty unbelievable. If you watch Darius Cooper, if you watch Efton Chisholm, we need to play these clips.
60:25I mean, they, they, we, they are, we are, they are ready to go.
60:29We got a clip ready here. So we're going to play it.
60:33And you just got to see this to believe it.
60:36I mean, it's, it's unbelievable. It really to see it to believe is unbelievable.
60:41So we'll play it. And then he comes over the top and then somehow Moss is the guy.
60:46I have a bunch of Darius Cooper. I have him in that King's classic roster.
60:51If I was scrolling down, if I had scrolled down past Roman Wilson, you would have seen Darius Cooper, but I didn't
60:58play Darius Cooper because Darius Cooper was technically the wide receiver three.
61:01And that game total was one of those game totals that had come down.
61:06So my rule of thumb, when I'm streaming one of these random wide receivers into these deep dynasty rosters, you know, the
61:13third or fourth or fifth flex spot, I'm picking the player regardless of their talent profile that is highest in the target
61:20pecking order with the highest game total. Right. And that's why it was like, at first I was thinking Jordan Watkins is
61:26interesting because there's a high game total there. And he's now moving into that wide receiver three role.
61:32We talked about him in the plays of the week, but by the time Sunday rolls around, we had Antonio Williams, Laquan Treadwell, we had all these players.
61:41They're actually moving into the wide receiver two spot.
61:44The difference with Cooper, the reason why Cooper was, is more of a dynasty stash and wasn't necessarily an obvious play this past week.
61:51Of course he wasn't is that the team loves him just based on the Parker Washington corollary.
61:56I suggest adding Darius Cooper everywhere. Are you going to be adding him aggressively in the waiver wire?
62:02No, the guy to aggressively add on the waiver wire this week is Emmanuel Wilson, because it's a week to week sport.
62:09And the best thing you can do is get a primary back on a team with a great offensive line.
62:15That's going to be enjoying a lot of positive game script.
62:19That is Seattle. Okay. And I, and the reason why you can get Emmanuel Wilson and he's not even that expensive is because look at Zach Charbonnet's leg.
62:27Most people are like, Oh, Zach Charbonnet back soon.
62:30Zach Charbonnet is back soon. Janarian price only out for four weeks.
62:34What are we really getting from a, you know, Emmanuel Wilson's going to give us a few weeks of production.
62:40Okay. Well, you bet you should have picked him up on Saturday and Sunday.
62:44Even if you didn't, just like with Braylon Allen, I say bid a lot.
62:49Like if just get out ahead of the fab guidance, we're going to drop on Patreon, patreon.com slash podfather.
62:55You're going to want Emmanuel Wilson. He is going to be the key to victory for some teams in the next few weeks.
63:02He already has been, he already was in week four, but he's going to do it again and do it again, because
63:09this is the time he's going to outproduce David Montgomery.
63:12Don't buy low on David Montgomery. You want to buy high on Emmanuel Wilson because look at that leg, look at Zach Charbonnet's leg though.
63:20I thank you, Justin, our, Justin, our producer mentioned that Joe Mixon is working out.
63:24Joe Mixon, is dust. I don't care about Joe Mixon.
63:27I'm not getting fooled into underbidding on players. I know are going to be primary backs in great situations.
63:33I'm not going to get fooled. This, there is a significant difference in the size of the leg.
63:39Look at the thigh of Zach Charbonnet on the right versus his thigh on the left.
63:44His quad is half the size. The quad on a surgically repaired leg is half the size because his muscles have atrophied.
63:51It's going to take many weeks for him to build that back up.
63:55And in that amount of time, Emmanuel Wilson is going to be playing the primary back role in helping you win fantasy matchups by scoring touchdowns.
64:03And sometimes he's going to catch some balls out of the backfield on random occasions and score like he did last week on a reception.
64:11But that's how you play fantasy football. You go out and you put it, you put your, your bids down and you
64:18go get a Braylon Allen for two, three, four weeks.
64:21You go get Emmanuel Wilson for two, three, four weeks and you piece it together and you make the playoffs and you make a run.
64:29That's how you play. You don't waste it on wide receivers.
64:32You don't waste those fab bids on players in doom situations like Caleb Johnson.
64:36It's a doom situation with that offensive line in Green Bay.
64:40That's why we weren't, we would have been super in on Caleb Johnson if Green Bay had a better offensive line, but they don't.
64:47So we weren't, but it's just, it's super cool to see how good these players are.
64:52I mean, it really is unbelievable, right? Look at Efton Chisholm.
64:56I mean, Efton Chisholm is a backup to a backup to a backup.
65:00And you look at what he's doing, making these one hand catches, getting his coach fired up.
65:05It's a pleasure to watch. And we did not have this level of talent in the league.
65:10The Patriots could not just roll out their number five wide receiver and have him make spectacular one hand catches a la
65:17Edelman in the Superbowl that you just wouldn't see that.
65:20I mean, this was, this was a feel good video that I saw where you have Efton Chisholm getting congratulated.
65:27Look at that. I would want to play for that right there.
65:30That's all I need to see. I want to play for Mike Vrabel just based on that.
65:36I felt so good for it for Chisholm, felt good for the Patriots to win this game, even though Romeo Dobbs, man,
65:43Romeo Dobbs, again, how smart and how good at this is my daughter.
65:47When she saw Romeo Dobbs score a touchdown, she was both happy and sad at the same time.
65:52And I was like, why are you, why are you conflicted?
65:56She's like, dad, I'm conflicted about this because I don't want people thinking Romeo Dobbs is good.
66:01And I was like, well, that's a, the right perspective.
66:04I agree with that. And then he does this, right?
66:07He does this in that game as well. I think this might've happened before or after.
66:12I don't know. It might, I think this happened after the touchdown or he scored two touchdowns.
66:18Maybe this happened between the two touchdowns. I don't remember the timeline of events probably between the two touchdowns.
66:23He, he, uh, he caused an interception that, uh, boggles the mind.
66:27So there were some mind boggling catches and interceptions in this one game and in the NFL in week four, that's a
66:34Romeo Dobbs special where he somehow makes the catch and then flicks the ball up in the air as he's rolling over untouched.
66:41And then it becomes interception. I mean, that was just so Dobbs right there.
66:46And yet what does he do? Has it, hasn't he, he puts up a nice fantasy performance because you follow the targets.
66:53He's still playable, startable in fantasy. Why? Because he's the number one in a high point total game.
66:58It's supposed to be a shootout and he's the number one receiver.
67:02So you have to play him. I hate it, but you have to play him just like you're considering.
67:08Maybe I play Laquan Treadwell. Maybe I played John Mechie.
67:11Why? Because they are operating as wide receiver twos, starting receivers in games that are supposed to shoot out.
67:17You can't worry about the talent profile of the wide receiver at that point.
67:21You just can't, you can't, if you chase a guy like Darius Cooper, because you know, the team loves him and he's
67:28capable of these kinds of big plays and he's been touted wildly throughout training camp, you're probably going to end up with
67:35fewer fantasy points at the end of the year.
67:38If you keep playing wide receiver threes and wide receiver fours, just hoping that they get an opportunity as opposed to the
67:45guys, you know, are going to be running the routes.
67:48You know, we're going to get targets. It might be eight fantasy points, but they might score a touchdown.
67:54That is the way to go. So I don't want to chase Darius Cooper, though.
67:58I love him. I didn't play him at all this week.
68:02I don't feel bad about not playing him, but you can love.
68:06That's why we have dynasty teams and we have seasonal league teams.
68:09So we can pick up players and play them in seasonal leagues and in dynasty as well.
68:15But also if we're not ready to play them, if they're still technically the wide receiver three, but we know there's a lot of positive buzz.
68:23We know there's talent 40% dominator rating at Tarrington state.
68:26Wait, Darius Cooper is a good player. He's a good football player.
68:30We know this. The Eagles know this, but playing a wide receiver three in a low point total game is not good
68:36process no matter what, no matter how good that player is.
68:40So you, you pick them up, you stash them in dynasty and you reap the rewards.
68:45That's the way to, that's the way you capitalize, right?
68:48Just like when teams are playing the jets, you play those running backs, right?
68:52If you play Deandre Swift, don't feel bad, right?
68:55Week four was a debacle. Deandre Swift was a great process play.
68:59Just all the production went to modern guy this coming week.
69:02You're playing Quinshawn Judkins. Doesn't matter. It's the Browns.
69:05It's the jets. You play Judkins and I'm running it back with Braylon Allen as well, because he had a hundred percent opportunity share.
69:13So running it back with Emmanuel Wilson, whether they signed Joe Mixon or not, Mike McDaniel is going to be fired at some point.
69:20A Marion Hampton is going to, is going to erupt.
69:23He got the touchdown this week. So now you might see a manager's thinking, well, actually I'm going to sell high.
69:30This is a little mini sell window. You should approach the Marion Hampton dynasty owner because they might view week four as a mini sell window.
69:38When you're not trying to pick up a Marion Hampton for next week, you know, this offensive line, this coaching staff is
69:45a debacle just like week four was the debacle week, but you want a Marion Hampton for his career.
69:51He is going to be awesome. He is a total all purpose stud being dragged down by circumstance.
69:56And this might be a little, you might convince the fantasy manager who has him to sell now on the back of
70:03this touchdown, but there's no better buy low right now.
70:06I mean, Hampton's a buy low in dynasty in a very specific search circumstance where the manager that has him is a win now manager.
70:14You could potentially pry a Marion Hampton away from that manager.
70:18I would use this as an opportunity to do that, that touchdown he scored in week four, but the buy low of
70:24all across the board in every format right now is Colston Loveland, nine more targets in week four, still no touchdowns, even
70:31though he's getting red zone targets in every game just hasn't actually scored a touchdown.
70:36As soon as he scores a touchdown, everyone's going to wake up, but for now you got to get him from here.
70:43Moving forward, he will be the second most productive tight end in all of fantasy after Brock Bowers.
70:48And the final thing I want to say before we wrap up today is thank you to Drake May.
70:54It was a huge relief. We talked about it on the starter stream show at length, how there was so much at
71:01stake for a couple of these teams. Number one, being the Patriots that if they got embarrassed by the bills that their season was over.
71:09Drake May rose up and showed why he has a Josh Allen comp on playerprofiler.com.
71:14There have been whispers at player profiler that maybe, maybe Drake May would lose his Josh Allen comp and he rose up
71:21and he said, no, he said, I know receivers matter and I don't have any.
71:25And that's okay. They both did. You know what he and Josh Allen both did.
71:30They said, you know what? DJ Moore's out. We're going to feed Keon Coleman.
71:34We're going to be competitive in this game with Keon Coleman in the back of the end zone.
71:40Why? Because Josh Allen's elite. And then Drake May says, I see your Keon Coleman and I'll do you one better.
71:47I have Romeo Dobbs. We're going to make him a top fantasy producer this week.
71:51Both Romeo Dobbs and Keon Coleman posted exactly 23 fantasy points in week four.
71:56And if that is not the perfect illustration of one of those weeks, I don't know what is.
72:01It would have been great for Wilson. It would have been great for Wilson.
72:06There's a lot of Wilsons to talk about today, but not necessarily in that game.
72:10It would have been great for Watson. Great for Golden.
72:13Guess if you combine Golden and Watson, you get Wilson.
72:16That's probably where that came from. Anyway, that's what we talked about with Chuck on the, on the place, on the top
72:2310 takeaways on the, on the starter stream show doing too many shows.
72:27Can't keep them all straight. I probably talked about all, we coined the term we talked about on every show.
72:34We coined the term on the starter stream show.
72:36It's a past fire hose.