0:00All right, we are about to diagnose some real fantasy football sleepers. My guy the Ladster from the fantasy stock exchange is joining me. We are going to
0:07go through players who are being drafted not as starters at the position. So at quarterback that would mean outside the top 12, top 30 at running back, top 30
0:14at wide receiver. And we are beginning with a guy I could not agree with more Danny. I mean I feel like generally guys
0:22like Josh DS who are every try and find someone who says something bad about Josh DS, you're not going to find him.
0:28How how is it that his ADP has stayed in the eighth and ninth round despite the fact that everyone loves Josh DS?
0:35>> Yeah, we were uh joking about it on your stream recently like how has he not flipped Alec Pierce by now? Gosh knows
0:41how. Like >> yeah, with Josh DS, very simple. Uh one of the jokes on the channel we had going into 2025 is anytime Bush got optimistic
0:48on Z Flowers, I always come back with, well, you know, Josh DS actually outscored him last year. Now, that unfortunately didn't end up working out
0:55in 2025. As you guys see, the points per game went down 8.5 after a 13.1 point per game year in 2024. But there's a big
1:02caveat there. We know they add Tyler Warren. We know Alec Pierce broke out as that main exceiver. We know Michael Pitman was still on the team. With
1:09Michael Pitman gone, with Alec Pierce banged up with a true opportunity at getting those 12 personnel sets, man, we could see Josh Downs explode 14, 15 plus
1:17point per game player, which should be about a wide receiver top 15 level finish if he gets there. I mean, his
1:22yards per route run and his targets per route run is the same as the 13, 14, 15 points per game players. He has kind of
1:30had the misfortune of playing with guys who ran routes in the similar area of the field as him and who were more
1:36trusted in the run game. Like, I don't think anyone actually thinks Michael Pitman Jr. is a better receiver than Josh DS. He just is probably I mean,
1:43first off, he's a veteran. He was making more money last year. And DS is he's a little guy. Like, you're not going to
1:48have him out there run blocking for Jonathan Taylor. Now this year it'll be a little bit it'll be a little bit
1:53different because the options are Nick Westbrook a Keen. I do think the team probably is going to sign Keenan Allen and I actually think that's going to
2:00hold Josh Downs ADP in check.
2:03>> Let's hope so.
2:04>> And I first Yeah, I definitely do hope so. But I think when Keenan signs Keenan in reddraft leagues will be like an 11th
2:1212th round pick. I I do think he'll get drafted in most people's home leagues.
2:16And I don't think the gap in price between Downs and Keenan is going to be that big. I I I really think he'll be
2:22outside the top 40 wide receivers. Now, if they don't sign Keenan, he's headed he is headed up like to like the Parker
2:29Washington range, I think.
2:30>> Yeah. And Parker Washington would be a good comp in terms of that over the over the middle layup type of target.
2:35Obviously, with Daniel Jones, are we going to see the same verticality out of the passing game with that torn Achilles? That's a big question I have.
2:41Alec Pierce was so damn efficient, what 47 receptions, over 1,000 receiving yards. If we don't see that same verticality, I think the Yakler in the
2:48offense, which I believe Josh Downs to be, is going to be the big benefactor.
2:51And of course, I mean, Tyler Ward goes in round five for a reason. He's going to eat, too.
2:55>> All right. A guy who I've had a hard time wrangling down, Jordan Mason running back for the Minnesota Vikings heading into his age 27 season, has
3:03never had double-digit fantasy points over the course of an entire year. There was a run for San Francisco in 2024 where it felt like, oh man, if I didn't
3:11draft Jordan Mason, like, I'm not going to win my league. He got banged up and then after he got banged up, he never
3:17really like retook his job. He ended up splitting a bunch with like Isaac Ureno.
3:21I want to say Kevin Coleman got resigned somewhere in the middle there. The big issue with Mason, I actually think if if
3:29he does start the year as the lead rusher, like I think he'll smash. I mean, his efficiency, like look at those
3:34yards per carries for the 49ers. The the only issue I have with Mason, it's actually not really much about his skill
3:40set. It's more about the Minnesota Vikings had nine running back rush attempts inside the 10 yard line last year. Like consistently the KOC offense
3:49has been low unexpected fantasy points to running back. So I it's it's kind of like do we think he can either score or
3:55do we think he can add receiving work in there? It's funny because I was actually going to cite the nine inside the 10
4:01carries and six inside the five carries from the Vikings last year as a positive regression candidate here because realistically we know how bad JJ
4:09McCarthy was.
4:10>> And even though I'm kind of less bullish on, you know, maybe what the market is, people are like, "Oh, could Kyler get
4:14back to being like a top 10 to 12 quarterback?" Like, I don't even have that as an expectation. I'm more so in
4:19the line of can he just be an average level quarterback? Because if he is, I look at Jordan Mason as of who can be
4:24this year's Javvante Williams. Who can be that big back that scores 10, 11, 12 touchdowns? To me, it would be Jordan
4:30Mason. I mean, the elephant in the room, Aaron Jones hasn't really been able to stay healthy. Aaron Jones getting up there in his career. And at this point,
4:37when I'm projecting out how the backfield can go, if I'm going to make a bet on one of these guys being a
4:41sustained 15 plus carry per game type of guy, it would be Jordan Mason. We have been getting positive drum beat out of
4:47Vikings camp. And like I said, if the offense is instead of six inside the five carries, nine inside the 10 carries, you're closer to the 20 inside
4:55the 10, 15 inside the five this year on what should be more of an average level offense. And I think Jordan Mason can
4:59pay off in a big way. On top of that, you look at the last two years, the efficiency, the tackle breaking ability.
5:04Like the offense really cratered on the Vikings last year, but Mason actually played well when he got the opportunity.
5:11>> He's always been like a positive rushing yards over expectation guy. even inside of those 49ers offenses where McAffrey was a negative rushing yards over
5:19expectation guy. Now I mean McAffrey is doing a different thing at this stage of their career and obviously I think part
5:24of the Viking stuff was the offense just wasn't very good and they were not sustaining drives and KC does have a
5:30bent towards the pass for sure. I mean I think I think we all know that. But if they go back to a like 2022, 2023 style
5:40offense, there's a lot of meat on the bone. I mean, Dvin Cook had a legendary running back season with the same
5:46configuration. I mean, a very different quarterback. I guess Kyler could steal some of the red zone stuff. Although, we also do know playing with a good running
5:54quarterback adds about half yard in terms of yards per carry, like efficiency. It's one of the big reasons why I like Jaory Kroski Merritt. And I I
6:03I think Mason and guy like going into reddraft season, I was like, I'm probably not really targeting him here, but the more I think about it, the more
6:12I think you you probably are, right? So, we we've agreed on these two. I I'm not with you on the next one. Shod signs a
6:20$2 million contract with the Washington Commanders. He's going to make less than the winner of uh a basketball mania. I I
6:26get it. I get it. You got to sell me on him being able to beat out the early down work for the commanders. Danny,
6:33>> I guess my take is just he's very trustworthy. If I had to make a bet on who's gonna get the consequential
6:37touches in the backfield because ultimately I do think it's going to be a committee whether it's Shakori Crosky Merritt taking 10 to 12 between the 20s
6:43touches whether it's Kron Allen figuring into the backfield maybe in the later portion of the year. But ultimately if I'm making the bet year or week one
6:51who's got the best bet at 14 carries, five targets out of the back field, it would be Rashad White. If I had to make
6:58the bet on who will get the goal line opportunity right away, it would be Rashad White. Now, obviously the financials didn't really dictate that.
7:04Only a $2 million contract. However, the coach speak coming out of camp has indicated that Rashad Whites look like the professional. We know he has a three
7:10down profile. And although he kind of got the stigma in Tampa Bay, you know, first couple years 3.7 3.6 yards per
7:16carry. I look at last year and he was actually quite efficient as a runner because keep this in mind last year the
7:21Tampa Bay offensive line completely combusted. I mean, Kevin Carberry, >> Kevin Carberry had nothing to work with at the end of the year given how many of
7:29those offensive linemen were getting hurt. So, ultimately with Rashad White, I think he's coming off one of his better efficiency years. And when I'm
7:34looking at this backfield, even though I think JCM is a slasher, is going to be that efficiency guy, I don't necessarily
7:40view him as a true number one in a backfield. And even though I think Kron can end up being that, ultimately, I
7:46don't think he's going to be that type of fast play. So, realistically with with Rashad White, you look at the complexion of the offense. You got your
7:52number one with Terry McLaren. You just signed Stefon Diggs. Well, Stefon Diggs last year was a sub 70% route rate type
7:58of guy. Stefon Diggs, yeah, he could be, you know, the number two receiver in this offense, but he's not a full-time
8:02type of player. I do think third long down and distance situations, third and five, the outlet out of the backfield that Rashad White represents.
8:10Ultimately, again, I mentioned with Jordan Mason, who can be this year's Devonte Williams, the ugly type of projection, nobody really wants that.
8:17>> Man, you're so right. It's such a It's such a Javvante Williams style season.
8:21Yeah.
8:22>> Yeah.
8:22>> I I >> He would fit like specific type of builds for me. It would require It would require him to be the goal lineback over
8:32anyone else on the roster. Like Kron can't do it. And I guess Chris Rodriguez Jr. being gone does make it. And if you
8:39if you hold true to this, my guess is that over the next like 10 days or so as people are are starting to do their
8:44drafts, Rashad White is going to fall in ADP a little bit and JCM is going to go up based off not much just like kind of
8:52sentiment just that JCM has been the early down back. Rashad White has been the passing down back um in camp. Now
8:59another guy that we do agree on, >> I actually did not like Boston as a prospect. I thought he was fine. I
9:06thought he was fine. you know, two two yards per route run, you know, like uh you know, four-year guy. My my stuff
9:11that I built does not like the four-year guys. He gives a pretty significant dock to to the four-year guys.
9:17>> But I also and and maybe to my detriment, I guess you could say, I'm pretty woke to training camp reports.
9:24Like I read everything. I I ingest everything. And I do think there's a big difference between everyone says everyone looks great in training camp
9:33and the way that everyone has been talking about Boston in Browns training camp and KCC who I do like as well
9:41banged up a little bit in training camp.
9:42Do you do you think they trade Judy?
9:44Like what what do you think ends up happening with Judy?
9:46>> I think ultimately they would probably keep Judy in some type of capacity.
9:50Again, you kind of do need a veteran in the room, but it's not going to preclude them from giving the better players the
9:55snaps in my opinion. you have a new coaching staff. This regime was the one that took those top two receivers. And I
10:00do think they're going to have every opportunity to make a big impact on the offense. Again, it's a young team. You
10:05want to see what these young guys are capable of. Ultimately, you have to make a decision after the year. Is Shadur
10:09going to be your guy? Obviously, we're probably going to lean no, but the team at least needs to see what happens. You
10:14have to see how Shadur works with this young offense. You have to see how these young wide receivers can operate. And
10:19again, you mentioned it, the training camp buzz right now, specifically on Boston, but I would say out of both of these Browns receivers is something that
10:25you just can't ignore. Denzel Boston, I go on my timeline, everybody's talking about, oh, this guy's the next Jesus Christ, this guy just caught three
10:32touchdowns today. This guy is getting open at will. It's like, well, maybe he's probably a good pick around the pick 150 range. And again, extending
10:39that to KCC, the reason why I'm still willing to target him. I thought he was the better prospect. I thought he's a
10:44tailor made fit for that Monk and Z Flowers type of role. So ultimately, I do think both these guys are going to
10:48kind of eat off of each other. But realistically, when we're looking at the potential wide receiver one of this room being selected after pick 110, take the
10:57shot on the guy you like. One of them is probably going to work out and work out in a huge way.
11:02>> I like taking one of them in like a ton of my reddraft like type situations. I think this year's rookie class is so
11:10interesting. You've got the three guys that you do have to pay for in Tyson, Tate, and Lemon. Although Lemon is getting a little bit cheaper, but the
11:17rest of the guys are basically free.
11:20Like Lane and Serat legit legit free.
11:22Boston, you're taking Denzel Boston over like Rashidi. I mean, no disrespect, like but but just guys who I mean, you're going to have a hard time
11:31starting them. And not that you would be starting Denzel Boston in week one either, but Boston to me has a clearer
11:37path to being a fantasy starter. one, it sounds to me like Shadur is winning the quarterback battle or maybe maybe he's
11:44just not losing it. Maybe it's just that Watson has been so bad. And if you Okay, so we have Monkin who's like a very good
11:50play caller actually. You've got at least the quarterback situation is settled and the staff knows what they're working with. Shur was basically the
11:58worst quarterback him or McCarthy last year. Maybe he gets I I you know, maybe maybe he gets a little bit better. I I
12:04wouldn't bet on it, but also like Fannon had a top five fantasy season at the tight end position with that awful
12:11quarterback play. Like generally speaking, even in the worst offense, guys can pay off. So I I do like I I actually I actually like making this bet
12:20a good bit. A bet I have a much harder time with. People love Jaylen Coker. And I don't even disagree. He did have the
12:27insane playoff game. I frankly I think Jaylen Coker is probably quite good, but I'm not even really drafting Ted Roy McMillan. I mean, he's I just think I
12:36just think he's quite expensive. So, sell me sell me on Jaylen Coker.
12:40>> Well, I think this also gets bumped up with the fact that Chris Brazelle, again, you take him in the second round
12:45this year. Maybe expectations he's going to be your main exceiver, especially in 11 personnel. He goes out with the LCL injury. Ultimately, when I look at this
12:53receiver room, unless you're projecting Xavier Legette to all of a sudden matter in the context of this offense, it's going to be a very concentrated target
13:00hierarchy. Obviously, Tedro McMillan, he's going to do his thing. But when I look at Jaylen Coker, again, first few games took him a little bit of a ramp
13:06up. Obviously had that training camp injury to start last year. Missed the big chunk of the uh of the start of the
13:11year. We see when he fully settled in games of 11.2, 17.4, four 14 16.7 obviously that massive playoff game against the Rams and how they're talking
13:20about him this off season sounds like he's going to be an integral part of this offense again not going to take
13:26anything away from Tedo McMillan but tell me with a straight face you feel a lot more confident taking Tedro McMillan in the fourth round rather than just
13:33getting Coker who was quite simply operating as a true 1B down the stretch at pick 110 120 near 130 on underdog
13:41realistically when I look at it I thought he was a very underrated prospect obviously goes undraft that had to prove himself in year one and we were
13:47truly robbed of a big-time ascension step in year two. I think that's going to be coming in year three. So, when I'm
13:52looking at the fact that I can get a potential 85 90% route shout share player on what could be an ascending
13:58offense, again, I'm not the biggest Bryce Young believer, but they were only 27th in offensive points per game last year. Even if that jumps to, let's say,
14:0522nd, 21st in year three of Jaylen Coker, year four of Bryce Young, I do think there's meat left on the bone to
14:12the point where it hasn't really been priced in yet.
14:15That is probably true. That that actually is probably true if there is any kind of improvement there. Dave Canala's fingerprints. I mean, I would
14:22have a hard time selling it. And I guess it's not that dissimilar for me wanting to draft Adnai Mitchell or Kenyan
14:28Sadique or I mean, honestly, even Bree Hall and Garrett Wilson is like they're probably going to be really bad, but in
14:33a season where Bryce, it's it's kind of true for all these bad teams. It's true for the Dolphins. It's true for the
14:39Browns. It's true for the Cardinals.
14:41give any of these bad teams cuz football's a weird sport.
14:44>> Yeah, >> a lot of times we think these teams are going to be terrible. I mean, everyone thought the Seahawks were going to be
14:48pretty bad with Sam Darnold. They thought that contract was really bad.
14:50It's a weird sport. Things happen that you can't really anticipate where teams end up being better than you think if the Panthers and the Panthers did have a
14:57negative point differential this year last year and made the playoffs. So, it would like it would be a real improvement for them. I absolutely agree
15:04with you on these final two. Tank Bsby uh on my zero running back list would be number one. Like if I was doing a zero
15:11running back, like if you're doing a zero running back build, it would be you absolutely have to take this guy. He he
15:17is absolutely mandatory anything on a on a zero running back style.
15:21>> Let me preface this. Um so these guys, these last two aren't going to be your RB3. Might not even be RB4 on your
15:28teams. Probably going to be your RB5 and your RB6. When I'm looking at a guy that I don't have to depend on on a week toe
15:33basis, all I'm prioritizing is upside.
15:35And when I look at Tank Bsby with how efficient he played last year, with how efficient he looked in his final year in
15:41Jacksonville and then I'm looking at the competition in front of him, we know Saquon Barkley full and through going to be a workhorse running back, but he is
15:49older. He has injury concerns. And if I told you remove the starter of every single offensive situation in the league, the Eagles would rank pretty
15:56high up there. Even without Jeff Stout, even without Jeff Jeff Stoutland, the fact of the matter is the offensive line will be healthier than it was last year.
16:04And ultimately when I look at Tank Bsby, why can't he be a 5.3 yard per carry, 17 carry per game type of back if sake were
16:10to go down?
16:12>> He absolutely would be. There's like I I'm trying to handicap the the likelihood of this like 10% 5% 15%.
16:19They've given a little bit of lip service to, you know, we want to leave a little bit of tread on Barkclay's tires
16:24for the postseason. We don't need to give him 300 rushes or 300 touches. I don't think anyone really thinks that Jaylen Herz is going to be throwing a
16:30ton to the running back, so that's not a big part of it. think maybe they do scale Barkley down to more like 15
16:36rushes per game and and in weeks where they're favored by nine and a half points. Maybe you can start tank big. I
16:42mean, it actually did happen twice last season uh once against the Giants or I guess it was week 18 against the
16:49Commanders, but he had that game against the Giants where he had 100 rush or 100 yards on nine attempts and then did get
16:5617 rushes against the Raiders and mop-up duty, though he didn't end up scoring in that game. I I'm totally with you on
17:02Bixby. And then our final guy >> might not even need an injury, man. Or he might have already gotten it. Danny
17:08and I are recording this on August 6th.
17:10We have got a report that my guy Josh Jacobs has a groin injury and that he is currently working off on this Iowa
17:17trainers. What a what a shocking turn of events that is Jacobs that is banged up in training camp and not Marshon Lloyd.
17:24>> Damn, things are different for once, eh?
17:27>> Finally, finally something a little bit different. I mean, Lloyd has I I I think it's nine career touches, I I believe.
17:35>> I'm buying. I'm buying, man.
17:37Particularly like baseball, the cost of of taking a guy who's going to get you zero points is is obviously worse in
17:44reddraft where if Marshon Lloyd bites the dust, I can just cut him and pick up Demian Martinez. I I think he again is
17:50like a prime prime zero running back target.
17:53>> Yeah, I'm in full agreeance here. It's funny because uh when you initially taped the sleepers uh one of my favorites that was actually picked in
18:00sleeper range before was Jonathan Brooks. Now obviously he has been steamed up to the point where he is no longer a sleeper. Marshon Lloyd could
18:07very well be that guy if we keep getting pessimism on Josh Jacobs injury because ultimately my thesis even beforehand when I wrote him on the sheet before I
18:14got noticed of the Josh Jacobs injury was that well this a very valuable backfield. Josh Jacobs is dealing with the legal stuff. Obviously we're not
18:21going to speculate on that. And now we also have the groin injury. So the fact is I had him at 152 going into this
18:27report. Now you can make the case he's probably a 12th round pick with the Josh Jacobs stuff because realistically when we're projecting the back field, if Josh
18:34Jacobs is out, are we trusting Chris Brooks? Are we trusting uh they don't even have Emanuel Wilson anymore? Are they going to go trade for like a Trey
18:42Benson? Are they going to go sign a James Connor? There's just a lot of ambiguity after Jacobs to the point where I know Marshon Lloyd's efficient.
18:48I know Marshon Lloyd has a three down profile coming out of USC and realistically this is a backfield that I want to be targeting when I look at
18:55Lafleur when I look at the Green Bay Packers even if Josh Jacob's healthy is it all the way out of the range of
19:00outcomes where this could be a uh you know Aaron Jones Jamal Williams split 2.0 0 again obviously very very small chance of that happening like I think
19:09Jacobs would be the workhorse if he is healthy but what if they just say hey this groin injury is going to be
19:14lingering instead of being an 18 to 20 opportunity game guy we're going to give you 14 to 15 opportunities >> 100% yeah it's very very straightforward
19:23how good of a click Marshon Lloyd is to me and uh hey man if uh if you're in the flock league please don't be watching
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