0:00Thesis on the Jets. They are suddenly kind of loaded and maybe even like slightly overloaded with good young offensive players.
0:10>> Look at the release.
0:11>> There's your separation.
0:13>> Great route.
0:13>> Stutter and go. Gets by clean.
0:15>> That is unbelievable.
0:16>> May be the greatest catch I've ever seen.
0:20>> Specifically though, it revolves around one guy to me in Garrett Wilson [music] who I think is a you know again if we
0:28sit here and do the rankings maybe we disagree whatever but I think he's a top 10 caliber receiver in the NFL. Hasn't
0:35really put together that type of season yet but again isolating from surrounding variables I think we all know why he hasn't put together that season. So
0:42before we jump into just the overall Jets part of it I'm curious Dan like as a Jets fan who watches this game
0:49>> Sure.
0:49>> with much more you know emotional attachment to it like where do you think Garrett ranks league wide as a as a
0:55number one receiver?
0:56>> Yeah I'd be curious um on your kind of reception perception studies of him because I think if he were in a more functional
1:06um environment and his you know surrounding variables were far better I think he'd be talked about as a top 10 wide receiver in the league. I think
1:16he's that good. I think he is I think he is so special in terms of his athleticism his wiggle his hand-eye
1:25coordination um his toughness uh his uh just his I like his vibe. I like his energy and I
1:35think he is one good OC and quarterback away from becoming one of the you know biggest stars in the league and if they
1:43don't handle that and to Mark's point he's a former first round pick who they burned through his rookie deal with dysfunction. They were smart enough when
1:51they did their big sell off to say okay that's the guy to keep in the building Quinnen Williams it's time for him to go
1:57Sauce Gardner, hit the bricks. We're going to take draft picks from you guys, but Garrett Wilson's a foundational piece and I think that's instructive as
2:03well that that Moji um identified this guy as if we're ever going to get out of this, he's going to be the star of the
2:09offense. So, yes, I think he put up three straight 1,000-yard seasons with some of the worst quarterbacks in football. Last year, he got
2:16short-circuited by the injury, and I think they were protecting him {slash} tanking down the stretch, so you didn't see him after week seven. He still led
2:22the team in receiving, which tells you a lot.
2:25>> Yeah, what? 369 yards he had last year, led the team. He didn't catch a pass since like mid-October or something, but
2:32um I'm going to do a little my good fancy on you here, boys. I'm going to do a little screen sharing from the RPO
2:37website.
2:38>> Look at you.
2:38>> See if we can Yeah, look at the player comparison tool. Garrett Wilson, this is 2024. Look at the comps here
2:44>> go.
2:44>> Wilson. Ja'Marr Chase, Ja'Marr Chase, Antonio Brown, Stefon Diggs when he's with the Vikings, DeAndre Hopkins when he's with the Texans. I mean, like
2:53these are this is what it for again player isolating statistics, how often he gets open, how often he makes plays in the open field. I mean, this is where
3:01um you see like the talent that is available for him to your point, Dan.
3:06And I think if you what's even funnier is if you look at 2025 data here for him, too. You got like
3:11three Chris Olave comps in the top >> Right.
3:14>> five comps.
3:15>> Same draft class.
3:15>> And same draft class, but I think even more instructive, Dan, it's like what happened with Chris Olave last year?
3:23>> Right.
3:23>> You got a really good offensive play caller and play designer in Kellen Moore, and it looks like at least right
3:28now you found a quarterback in Tyler Shuck. Like and I mean, from from a fantasy standpoint, from like a I think
3:34a real-life statistical standpoint, Chris Olave had a top-10 caliber counting stats statistical season. It's like that path is available for Garrett
3:41Wilson, I think 100%.
3:43>> Yeah, and you can anchor an offense around him, and you know, they made to your point that you know, the talent
3:50they have like Breece Hall who went down with a groin injury, hopefully it's not too serious.
3:54I think a guy that's laying in the weeds a little bit, another guy whose season got wrecked by an injury last year is
3:58Braelon Allen. I think he is a really talented, one of the more talented backup running backs in the league, and he really compliments Breece Hall well.
4:07You bring in Omar Cooper.
4:09He's a little further down the depth chart right now, but I'm not going to read too much into that. I'm going to
4:13more read into it, and that's what I if you don't mind, Matt, if I could ask you, cuz Isaiah Williams you know, best
4:20punt returner in the league last year.
4:23He's a veteran, [clears throat] outplaying a rookie Cooper, doesn't freak me out. In fact, I'm like, you know what? Isaiah Williams Williams
4:29maybe deserves a chance to get some reps show given what he showed on special teams last year.
4:35The AD Mitchell hype, and I know he flashed a little bit after the trade from the Colts, there is a lot of
4:41positivity coming out of Jets camp about what he has looked like, that he is a clear-cut number two receiver in this
4:50offense. And if he is actually a guy, a breakout candidate, first of all, it's starting to look like the potential steal of the decade by Moji, the trade
4:58with the Colts for two first-round picks and AD Mitchell. But I'm curious if you're buying into this, because if Garrett Wilson is as good as we think, and if
5:06the offense with the quarterback and a new play caller is better, it can't be worse, then there's going to be opportunities for Mitchell to actually
5:13be a playmaker. I'd love to see it work out, because I you hear about these type of guys all the time, and then you cut
5:18to week nine, and he has 14 catches.
5:20Where do you stand on Mitchell?
5:23>> Yeah, AD Mitchell is kind of he's like the one of the more bizarro receivers in the league, because I mean, if if listeners of this show
5:33know this, that I'm pretty constantly, you know, even I got to get Wilson last year. He he got this type of role
5:38change, and I'm looking for what's like in Nathaniel Hackett Aaron Rodgers's, you know, kind of old-school static boring offense. Garrett was just pretty
5:46much like an outside on ball receiver, and I think that Tanner Engstrand did wasn't perfect, but he did do some fun things from a pass game design
5:53standpoint, including like Garrett Wilson getting the most snaps that he's ever seen from a percentage standpoint off the line of scrimmage. He got back
5:59to playing in the slot a lot more, much more of like a dynamic pre-snap role.
6:04I'm almost always advocating for receivers to get that type of treatment.
6:08AD Mitchell's like the opposite, Dan, where I'm like, just stick him at X receiver and let him go against press man coverage and we kind of run like
6:16four routes. You want him running nine routes, you want him running curl routes, slant routes, out routes.
6:20Everything else is kind of a show for AD Mitchell, >> [laughter] >> especially when he's like working against zone coverage. He doesn't have
6:27like the timing and tempo to consistently settle and separate there, but he is really good when he's working in those isolated one-on-one man
6:36coverage situations, which for the most part, that's what the Jets had him do last year once they got him. He was
6:40mostly an outside on ball boundary receiver. And again, that allows you to do more fun things with Garrett Wilson.
6:46And we never really saw those guys together, right? Like Garrett was basically out for the season by the time, you know, AD Mitchell was there.
6:53>> a snap together.
6:54>> No, they didn't Yeah, they didn't play a snap together. So like, I think that will be really fun to watch those guys
6:59in tandem cuz even if AD Mitchell is limited in that way, and I think he will always be you know, just a little bit
7:06mistake prone and not perfectly again like a zone coverage being receiver. I mean, 6% tile success rate versus zone coverage last season. Obviously, that's
7:14not what you want, especially in a very zone heavy league, but 82nd percentile success rate versus press. So there's that kind of wide gap there.
7:22>> Yeah.
7:23>> And And that's I think the high variance type of player Mitchell is, which ideally is a number two or complementary.
7:29>> I was going to say like we know there's there's situational pass rushers. Are we dealing with a situational receiver here?
7:35>> Yeah, definitely. I mean, again, that's why almost always I'd want to see a guy move around, you know, do this, that,
7:41and the other, but he is someone that I think needs to just do a small handful of like limited things, but he could be really good at
7:48those limited things.
7:49>> Omar Cooper, let's let's move our way up the step chart.
7:52>> Well, okay, by the way, can I Well, don't you feel too like it would it compared to our Browns conversation
7:58where there's a void under center like and and we've had conversations back and forth about Gino on our show and like um
8:06I do think Gino at least gives you a steady presence at quarterback. I guess my question is like do you trust and I
8:13do, but I don't I I have some questions if Frank Reich is going to revolutionize any offense at this point, but it's
8:20better than some of what they had play caller.
8:23>> [laughter] >> Revolutionize? Who's asking Frank Reich to revolutionize anything?
8:27>> of course I'm saying he's not going to revolutionize anything, but I do I I do and I have questions as as well, Matt,
8:32but I do think it's better than they've had a lot of hot and cold and mostly cold play caller situations in New York
8:39and obviously a mess at quarterback.
8:41Like Gino and Reich feel steady to me.
8:43If if slightly dull, steady.
8:48I'll leave it there.
8:48>> say majorly dull. I would say majorly dull on the Frank Reich side of it there. Dan, how did you as a fan, how
8:54did you feel about the Tanner Engstrand offense?
8:56>> Um I thought he did show some promise, um but also it's very hard to get a gauge on it when Brady Cook and Tyrod
9:07Taylor and Justin Fields is afraid to throw the ball. It's just like it was kind of it was kind of wonky. I think
9:14everything about [clears throat] the off season with Glenn was is a as a Jets fan, like if you're asking Jets fans,
9:19what are you most nervous about? It's not Geno Smith. In fact, on our show I've been talking about the I feel like he's he can he has a chance
9:26to really uh move the ball and um play much closer to a Seattle days than his Raiders days, which is not at an all pro
9:34level, but at a respectable professional level and I think Reich doesn't [clears throat] give you the highest ceiling, and he's certainly not
9:40going to be revolutionary, but maybe he brings um some just steadiness to the offense, and they're league average. I think uh that would be a huge I don't
9:50think, I know, that would be a huge upgrade. Uh the question is with Glenn, like does he have the ability and Jets fans, their questions are about
10:00Aaron Glenn, right? And Engstrand, you certainly could have made the case that he deserved a second year on the job, but Glenn, I think part partly or mostly
10:09out of nerves about his own job security, kind of cleaned house, and I think Reich was to him the safer bet.
10:15And what he might not have realized, Aaron Glenn, is cuz you got to play chess as a head coach, is that Frank
10:21Reich is also kind of the perfect interim coach to ride out the rest of a season if ownership decides and management decides, okay, this thing is
10:31not going to work or eight we have 18 Now we have 24 games of evidence telling us that we made a mistake with Aaron
10:37Glenn, let's just slide in Frank Reich, get to the end of the season, and reboot with a new play caller.
10:42>> So, like, I think Reich has potentially multiple roles in this organization. Um >> But yeah, like I don't know, like he's
10:4964 years old. He's been around the block. The last time we saw him was with the Carolina Panthers, and that wasn't
10:55going well. He got fired after a one and 10 start. Uh they scored more than 20 points three times in Reich's 11 games,
11:02did not score more than 15 in his final five games. So, that's not good. So, sure, we could definitely look half
11:09glass full with the Reich um setup, but I do I just like Gino with these weapons. Like getting back to your
11:16original thesis, Gino, and not just the weapons, the offensive line. I think this is a really potentially good offensive line with
11:25Olu Fashionu and Mims on the tackles.
11:28Joe Tippmann emerged as one of the better right guards last year. They just gave him a new contract. Josh Myers does
11:33a nice job at center. The only new guy is Parm um at left guard. I think if you give Geno time, which he had no time
11:40with the Raiders, I think he's going to make plays with a potential top-10 level wide receiver and some exciting guys. We
11:47haven't even talked about Kenyan Seddik.
11:49>> Right. Seddik's a tough one, too, cuz he's he's banged up, you know, through camp and everything, but I mean, that
11:54that was what was interesting on draft night is they take Kenyan Seddik, who more is more of that like move tight
11:58end. He's not the traditional wide body type, get your hand in the dirt, do all the blocking, but that's what Mason
12:03Taylor is. So, you have the makings of kind of an interesting 12 personnel group there again with a traditional X receiver in Eddie Mitchell and then a
12:11movement guy like that Z receiver in Garrett Wilson, who, you know, you can kick into the slot and like two-by-one formation. All kinds of really things
12:18really fun things you could do there with a guy like Garrett Wilson and that 12 personnel package, but their first-round pick, Omar Cooper, their
12:25second first-round pick, third first-round pick, >> third first-round pick, >> third first-round pick, Omar Cooper, um is a kind of an interesting variable in
12:34all this, too, Dan, because he is to me like probably a slot receiver in the NFL. He was a slot receiver last year at
12:40Indiana, and obviously he's been competing and, you know, maybe even lost the starting slot receiver job to Williams who you mentioned from camp
12:47here.
12:48Like that was an odd kind of pairing there cuz how do you get both guys on the field if Seddik is this move tight end
12:56and then, you know, one guy's like a pure slot receiver who's not going to be on the field in two receiver sets, 12
13:01personnel. How do you maximize both players? And that's where the Frank Reich thing comes back to like it's a little bit of it. Like I can get myself
13:07hot and bothered about this receiver group and the offensive line together, but it's like is that the cold shower here? Like, oh, well, I don't know I
13:14don't really trust Frank Reich. The last time we saw him pretty much just ran a RPO, you know, 11 personnel. And
13:19by the way, Cade Klubnik, their fourth-round pick, >> Yeah.
13:23>> that was a little bit of a canary in the coal mine, too, to me. He's like all Cade Klubnik in in in college was RPOs
13:29and that type that very kind of offense that's going a little stale in the college football ranks. And man, you saw the phone call between him and Frank
13:36Reich and Frank's all gassed up like, "Yeah, I got my RPO boy in here. Like we're going to do this thing just like
13:41it's Carson Wentz in 2017 or whatever."
13:46That makes me a little nervous like putting all that together.
13:48>> Yeah, I think uh Yeah, I think it's to again connect the Jets and the Browns. I think as a Jets fan you want
13:55to and you hope that you have enough offensive um intellectualism to get these guys opportunities to make plays, develop as
14:05rookies, and if Aaron Glenn ends up getting shipped out of here, which I think it's a coin flip whether he makes
14:10it through the season quite honestly.
14:12Like you want this job this Jets job to be very attractive to the top play caller / coach out there. And obviously, you
14:20don't want Arch Manning or whoever to be like, "I don't want to go to the Jets."
14:22You want people to look like at what we're talking about this time next year is like, "Wait, if I go to this team
14:27they had a maybe a top 10 back of the top 10 offensive line and like how many first-round pick playmakers here?" Like and it's like,
14:35"Okay, I want to go to the Jets." And then then you could very quickly get this team into a very optimistic place. But
14:42that's not the 2026. It's a developmental year for this team as well.
14:46>> Yeah, in some ways it's almost like they could be too good to find their way to a top quarterback.
14:50>> saying. They're going to win eight games or something and then it's >> But they have three first-round picks and that's going to really that's going
14:56to really help them. And the the first-round picks that are not their own, it's the Indianapolis Colts where there's a lot of high variance there.
15:04And I know we're all gassing up the Cowboys or a lot of us are this this season, but you know, the Cowboys that
15:09could go always go sideways as well. So, you could end up hypothetically with three picks in the top 15 and maybe two
15:15top 10 picks if the Colts the wheels fall off. And then you can make a move up the board and you'll get one of these
15:21guys. And you'll by the time you get to rookie mini camp, you will be talking this guy up like he's Sam Darnold or
15:28Joe Namath or >> Yeah. It It certainly feels to me, you know, if somebody if like you're doing dynasty fantasy football whatever, and maybe
15:36this has been like always the case with like a guy a player like Garrett Wilson, but these guys could all be so much
15:41better in 2027 if they find the right quarterback. You know, I mean even AD Mitchell like I think he could have a
15:46solid season this year and he's part of your long-term core and you know, Omar Cooper almost certainly is going to start the season slow, but I I will tell
15:52you this Dan, I skill set wise I have my I did have some questions about him. I thought he was kind of more like a high round two
16:00when he went late round one. It kind of went in an appropriate range I think for his skill set. He is coming from a
16:05little bit of a Mickey Mouse offense in Indiana. Like a slow learning curve might not be the biggest surprise for him. But man, that guy is definitely
16:13going to work his ass off. Like that is for sure. He is the one receiver I've been doing this now since like I
16:19said 2014. Obviously my amount of talking to players skewed much more in my recent career than than in 2014 certainly, you know, but he's the one
16:30player I've talked to over the course of all that time that has ever asked me like I usually like to ask the guys,
16:34"Hey, what's your you know, what's your favorite route to run?" Like let's compare it to your chart or whatever.
16:38After the interview was done, he was like, "What's my like worst graded route? What can What's What's the area where I can actually get better?"
16:46And and funny enough like it was I told him he's like, "I think like dropping your weight, stopping on curl routes is
16:51something that I noticed was is is like success rate wise your lowest one." He was like, "Yeah, that's actually funny that's that's what I've been working on.
16:58Like I know that's something I got to get better at." Like specifically against man coverage. So, I don't know.
17:03>> I like living in a I like living in a universe where Omar Cooper becomes like a Jets legend and Matt Harmon had maybe
17:11a slight role in that happen.
17:13>> You had something to do with it. You just like >> 0.5% credit. You know, he becomes a Hall of Famer.
17:18>> Like you maybe get a shout-out in like when he gives his speech. Or maybe he asks you to introduce him because that
17:23just like stuck with him as like a part of his journey in the narrative when he thinks back.
17:27>> That feels great. Yeah, I I I think >> [laughter] >> like maybe I can mention that story on the podcast God willing, you know, 15
17:34years from now.
17:34>> My friend Omar, we were talking we were chopping it up one day over beers.
17:39>> [laughter] >> When he's doing his like cell phone prospect interview, you know.
17:44So I'm sure I'm sure he has fun memories of the entire thing. But again, a guy that we'll see skill set wise but I
17:50would bet on him eventually figuring it out in this whole kind of young core coming together. So