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0:17Happy Friday everybody! Welcome to the show. The next time I say happy Friday to you, we'll be breaking down the NFC home games for week one.
0:25Dave and Jamie, we've pretty much made it. Kind of crazy, right?
0:29I mean, how many more drafts do you have left, Jamie?
0:33Oh boy, another guillotine draft tonight. I have one Sunday, no, two Sunday, one Monday, one Tuesday.
0:38So four or five left. Dave? Not nearly as many.
0:41I've got an auction draft this afternoon. I've got my Keeper League draft on the 7th.
0:46We have the FFT draft, if we're doing that league again, Jamie.
0:49We've got that at some point soon. Tuesday. That's it.
0:52I'm keeping my number low this year. My focus is on the job, not my team's.
0:57Yeah, fair enough. All right, well, it's a fun weekend for a lot of people.
1:02A lot of fantasy drafts going on. Obviously a holiday weekend.
1:05And we are maybe going to do a show Sunday night instead of Monday morning, but we will have a Labor Day show for you in some capacity.
1:14And I'll give you a programming update soon. Today on the show, we're going to review our pick-by-pick series.
1:20And I think that's better than a mock draft at this point because we can just give you some takeaways from what we've already done.
1:27And I asked on Twitter, what are some of the toughest calls that you've encountered during your drafts?
1:33I'll read some of those. Oh, nice. Yeah, and let's get into the news and notes, though.
1:38We had a little bit of a Bears scare yesterday.
1:41Romo Dunze and DeAndre Swift both left with injuries, but Swift, it was just a cramp, and Odunze is reportedly fine.
1:48Good. So we shouldn't care about the Bears scare?
1:50I think that's fair. All right. Are you a Care Bear?
1:54Oh, I used to love the Care Bears. Just to no one's surprise.
1:58Here we go. So anyway. Text Heath. What the hell was I saying?
2:02Did you guys change your rankings at all for Swift and Odunze?
2:05No. I used to love the Care Bears, in quotes.
2:09Andrew Destin of The Athletic thinks that George Helani will be the third down back, but also the short yardage and goal line back early in the season.
2:17Okay, Jamie, what's your reaction to that? Of George Helani potentially being the goal line back?
2:22Look, they weren't going to put everything on Jadarian Price's plate.
2:25They're going to use Helani and Emmanuel Wilson to some degree until Zach Charbonnet's back.
2:30The hope is that Price gets the majority of touches and is not a trap back.
2:35So I think you should still go into the draft process, or if you've already drafted, have Price as a low-end number two running back.
2:43I would take him as early as round five.
2:45You know I've been drafting a lot of George Helani late just to see what this would look like and how it all will play out.
2:53He's still a good dart throw late in your drafts.
2:56And probably by the time you're listening to this, you'll see the last ADP review for our CBS Sports data, along with
3:03an early look at the waiver wire. It's a combination of both.
3:07And Helani will be mentioned in there just as if you have an IR spot that you can use or if you
3:14just have someone that you hate and you want to drop.
3:17You can stash. You know, George Helani is among many players that you can stash that are widely available in our leagues.
3:24So I think it's just we're in a discovery phase early in the season with the Seahawks backfield.
3:29So that's a great way to put it. Okay, but if Helani is this is exactly what Zach Charbonnet was and Kenneth Walker was RB 28.
3:37He had a good year last year. He averaged 4.6 yards per carry.
3:41He played a full season. He was RB 22 overall.
3:44He was RB 28 per game in basically every format.
3:47And that's because he wasn't the third down back.
3:50He wasn't the two-minute drill back and he wasn't the goal line back.
3:54Zach Charbonnet got all the touchdowns basically not all the touchdowns, but only five for Walker.
3:59So if they use Helani and then eventually Charbonnet comes back the way Charbonnet was used last year, then you could clearly see bust potential.
4:07Am I overreacting here for Jadarian Price? I think a lot of people are going to be concerned about that.
4:13I mean there's obviously bust potential when you're talking about uncertainty for both sides of it.
4:18There's uncertainty in how good Price can be. There's uncertainty in how they're going to use everybody.
4:23There's uncertainty on the timeline for Zach Charbonnet. So the thing that you're kind of hanging your hat on is that George Helani has never really done anything.
4:32That Jadarian Price has been a part-time running back and has to prove himself, but it was also a first-round pick and has plenty of talent and upside.
4:40And then again, what version of Charbonnet are we going to see when he comes back, if he comes back early in the season?
4:47So it's just a lot of moving parts. I think when you start to compare him to those other guys in that
4:54range of Scadaboo, who could be in a timeshare, of Montgomery, who has, you know, if you're watching, you see the report
5:01that there could be an even split between him and Woody Marks with a questionable offensive line.
5:06That you have Basial Tootin, who could be in a timeshare and may not even be the better running back in the
5:13timeshare or could be similar to Price where he's losing touchdown opportunities.
5:17So it's that whole round five through round seven group of guys.
5:20Ramondre Stevenson is now in this conversation, but we know Trevion Henderson is still looming.
5:25So, I mean, it's just a matter of like when you want to, you know, dip your toe into this pool of
5:32backs, how confident and how comfortable you are with them as starters.
5:35Uh, I would just look at it as there's 400 vacated touches in the Seahawks backfield.
5:40If you like Jadarian Price and his situation, you should be overly excited about just that possibility alone.
5:46You could potentially be terrified about the possibility of everything else that's around surrounding him with Helani and Charbonnet.
5:52So if, if you don't want to draft any of those running backs, it's easy to pivot to wide receiver and then
5:58just kind of go back to the, go to the next group of guys, which might be in a similar situation.
6:05Jordan Mason, the commanders guys, the Steelers guys, you know, we talked about this a lot.
6:10Sure. And that's one of the tough calls that, uh, one of our listeners, let's see, uh, let's have some fun on
6:16Twitter said tough call is what to do in the mid with the mid round running back.
6:22Sometimes you have to take some, but starting at the middle of the fifth, I get nervous.
6:27And yeah, I think that's kind of what we're talking about.
6:30Understood. If, if you're too nervous, if you're identifying yourself as someone who hates that, then take too early, you know, and,
6:37and don't be so reliant on that group. Um, all right.
6:40Uh, Ian Rappaport thinks Mike Washington jr. Will be a thing this year.
6:44So that's kind of been a steady drum beat for a little while here.
6:49Yep. Travion Henderson was not seen at practice. It's obviously could make you feel pretty good about Ramondre early because they're a week away from, their first game.
6:57They play on Wednesday, but Seattle, Seattle, New England week one, those two run defenses were absolutely, uh, shut down, lockdown, arguably
7:04the best in the NFL last year. I don't know what we're going to get from the running backs in week one.
7:11Uh, we have finally seen Stevenson pass Henderson and ADP.
7:14Hey, how about that? Um, okay. Zay, Zay flowers practiced.
7:17Anthony Richardson is Indianapolis is backup, which man, I don't know from a receiver perspective, if you could have a much worse backup, you know, I don't know.
7:25He looked much better though in the preseason. Like I, I think you got to give him a little bit of credit
7:32for some of the work that he's put in.
7:35Okay. Okay. I mean, look, he's, he's never going to be, Oh, Hey, look, that's the guy I want to watch throw the football because it's pretty.
7:43But you know, if he continues to work on his mechanics and, and builds off of what they've tried to do with him, I would not be surprised.
7:52If he becomes a reclamation project someplace else, if given a chance to compete for a starting job.
7:57And look, Daniel Jones has had a rough time staying healthy in his career.
8:02So it could be something that is relevant for the Colts at some point this season also.
8:07So dynasty leagues super flex, mostly he still might be somebody you should keep on your bench.
8:12Yeah. That's kind of why I brought it up because Daniel Jones does have that injury history.
8:17Cam Scadaboo said he thought about retiring after his ankle injury last season.
8:21He said he told himself if he had a serious injury in the NFL, that'd be it.
8:27But it wasn't. Thankfully he's back. Dave Texans beat writer, Jonathan M.
8:30Alexander. Jamie just kind of mentioned this. He reported, he thinks that Dave Montgomery and Woody Marks will have a fairly even split.
8:37What do you think? I'd be surprised if they had an even split in terms of rushes.
8:42And I saw what you were talking about. He thinks they're both going to get 800 rushing yards this year.
8:49That would surprise me. If you were to tell me that they were each going to get, I don't even think 800 total yards is in play.
8:57Let's call it 600 total yards. I think Montgomery blows past that as long as he's healthy, but I think Montgomery can get there or I'm sorry.
9:05Marks can get there between just catches and playing on passing downs, no huddle offense, that type of role.
9:11I think that's his role. And I'd be shocked if they put him anywhere near the goal line, unless it was in
9:18a specific situation like the hurry up offense, maybe third down, third and goal, something like that.
9:23I think Montgomery is obviously still a decent pick, but he's in that round five blob of running backs that you look
9:30at and you go, okay, there's a pathway to them being great.
9:33And there's also a pathway to them being absolutely terrible.
9:36I'd be shocked. I really would be. And I don't like drafting marks unless it's with a very, very late round pick.
9:43Matt Barrows of the athletics says that the plan for Dijon Stribbling is for him to be the primary slot receiver and
9:50to be Mike Evans understudy as the X receiver.
9:53They want versatility in their receiving core. He also says that Debo Samuel.
9:57What's that? That's interesting because they could just as easily put Debo in the slot.
10:01Yeah, they're probably going to mix and match. If they put Stribbling in the slot heavily, that's a matchup problem.
10:07For smaller corners because Stribbling's a big dude. So I, and we've saw him run a bunch of horizontal routes in the preseason.
10:14I would imagine that they would ask him to do something like that.
10:18He's also an interesting late round pick, certainly more interesting than Woody Marks.
10:22The Cardinals signed Michael Wilson. Oh, he also said that Debo Samuel looked good and they haven't been shy to give him carries.
10:30He always looks good this time of year. And George Kittle won't play his usual 95% of the snaps in week one,
10:36but that doesn't mean he won't play 80%. Just he won't play a full snap share.
10:41The Cardinals signed Michael Wilson to a three-year $70 million extension with $47 million guaranteed.
10:46I'm not going to give the numbers because we're running out of time, but Michael Wilson and Parker Washington, same draft class, pretty similar career arc.
10:54Michael Wilson, first 38 games. Parker Washington, first 36.
10:57Basically did nothing and then finished with an absolute blitz.
11:00It was amazing. And a few late round players that have gotten some buzz that I basically never mentioned.
11:05Adonai Mitchell for the Jets. Rashid Shahid for the Seahawks.
11:08Eric all for the Bengals. I can't imagine people are going to be drafting Eric all, but a name to know maybe in tight end premium.
11:16And you guys like Adonai Mitchell or Rashid Shahid better as a late round flyer.
11:21Mitchell. Sheet. Mitchell's been getting buzz all camp long.
11:24And I think he's their number two wide receiver and probably their number two target in that offense.
11:29The problem is, is it's the Jets offense. But if you're just taking shots on wide receivers with late round picks, he's toward the bottom of the list.
11:38Like, stripling easy. You're taking him three rounds before you would even think about Adonai Mitchell.
11:43Yeah. The thing about Shahid is they didn't use him enough last year.
11:47You have Kupp at 33 and another injury for Torrey Horton.
11:50Yeah. You want to hear something gross? I like Kuppers.
11:53I think that is weird, not gross. I wouldn't be surprised if Cooper Cupp had a decent role and that could hurt the upside of Shahid.
12:01I thought you were going to say. Yeah. I mean, you can say the same thing about, you know, Sadiq in New
12:08York and Omar Cooper when those guys are finally up to speed.
12:12Right. When they're ready. They're not ready. Yeah. All right.
12:15So who are, what are some tough calls that the listeners had?
12:18John Seeley says, I had Pickens, Collins, London, and AJ Brown fall to me at the two, three turn.
12:24That's pretty cool. Maybe 10 team league Pickens, Collins, London, AJ Brown.
12:28I went London and AJ Brown, but that was a tough call.
12:32Did he get it right? One hundred percent got it right.
12:35I mean, it's it's tough call because they're all great players, but I think the upside favors the two that you took.
12:42OJ Weber and actually other people, too. But OJ Weber, who donated to St.
12:46Jude and will be co-managing the FFT team with Dan Schneier this year, which two wide receivers.
12:51Long time donator, too. Yeah. Yeah. Which two wide receivers should I draft at the three, four turn?
12:57Which two? Yeah. What's your ideal? Jamar Chase and Pukenikua.
13:00Yeah. I mean, ideally, Devontae Smith falls there. Sure.
13:03If possible. I love Lad McConkie there. How about Garrett Wilson?
13:06If he's there, Wilson would be behind those guys.
13:09But yeah, Wilson's in that conversation. Yep. DJ Moore, Jalen Waddell, you know, depending on how heavy wide receivers go.
13:15There's so many options there. So I'm looking at Fantasy Pros ADP.
13:19These are the wide receivers, 36 through 46. We've got Garrett Wilson, Ted Aroa, Zay, Burden T, Devontae McConkie.
13:24Those two are at the bottom? That's not hard.
13:27Devontae? No way. Devontae is 45th in ADP on Fantasy Pros right now.
13:31Well, in their real-time ADP, he's 30th. Yeah. That's weird.
13:34I think, okay, the real-time ADP is McConkie. Just use ours.
13:38Ours is very accurate. Okay. McConkie, Higgins, Flowers, Waddell, McMillan, Wilson.
13:41Abuka. All make sense. Yeah. My two would be of those.
13:44It would be the first two for me, McConkie and Higgins.
13:48Yeah. If Smith is there or Flowers is there, I think they're worth two.
13:52But any combination of those type of receivers, Ted Aroa, they're all great.
13:56And that's part of the reason why if you're picking late in round one, you shouldn't be afraid to go RBRB because
14:03these are the receivers that will make it back.
14:06You have to like these wide receivers in order to take them in rounds three and four.
14:11But if you're hearing these names and you're going, okay, these guys could be my wide receiver one, wide receiver two, yeah,
14:17this is the reason why starting RBRB does make sense.
14:21Or if you go and you just mix it up and you go Lamb or Jefferson with a running back in your
14:27first two picks, you still have one of these guys as your second receiver.
14:32And then you can still or take two and just go here RBRB.
14:36So you start Chase Brown, CeeDee Lamb, or probably you go Chase Brown, Jefferson in that regard, or Lamb, Hampton.
14:42You might get Lamb-Brown. You could get Lamb-Brown. And then you go two wide receivers, and so you just go with a here RBRB approach.
14:49Right. But then you're in late round five, and we're right back in that conversation we had six minutes ago.
14:56But your receivers are amazing. Yeah, the receivers are amazing.
14:59You can't do this in non-PPR, but in full PPR, that works.
15:02Well, Team 12 did this in the pick-by-pick that we're going to do.
15:06Team 12, do I have that up? Yeah, Team 12 went A-Chan.
15:10Oh, sort of. A-Chan, London, McMillan in round three, and Loveland in round four.
15:14But that could have been McConkie. And then got Scadaboo and Marshawn Lloyd at 60 and 61, which I just don't think,
15:21like Scadaboo at 60 was a real, like, wow, great pick.
15:24But that could have been Montgomery and Marshawn Lloyd, something like that.
15:28Okay. That's pretty – oh, one more tough call from Victor.
15:31Took Puka at seven, couldn't pass Bowers in round two.
15:34So I had a tough call with the running backs still available in a 12-team league.
15:39Yeah, I don't know. So the running backs versus Bowers?
15:42I wasn't sure if he meant the running backs in round three.
15:46That's what I – that's how I'm interpreting it.
15:49Yeah, like if you go the first two rounds without running backs and you have kind of a later pick, or I
15:56guess it doesn't really matter where you pick, which running backs would you like to come away with in rounds three and
16:02four, maybe just one of those two rounds? Three and four?
16:06I think you're looking at Javante. You're looking at Travis A.
16:09Chan, DeAndre Swift, Kyron Williams, Jeremiah Love. You know, that's the group of guys you're dealing with, either late round three or early round four.
16:17So, Breece is in that range too, isn't he?
16:20Breece as well, yeah. Okay, I've got some comments about me that – Of course you've got to read that.
16:26We'll see if – Oh, yeah, look, we're going to read this, sure.
16:30We can save it for the end. One of them is – Aren't you doing a solo show today?
16:36You can just talk about yourself? Yeah, there you go.
16:39It's well, at noon Eastern. Adam looks like he brings a clipboard to a cookout.
16:43What does that mean? I mean, you brought your laptop to a date on the beach.
16:48That's also – it was not a date. We will come back after this with our Pick by Pick series.
16:54Were you meeting a woman there? I was. I married her.
16:58Yes. That sounds like a date. I mean, listen, she loves your quirks.
17:02That's the most important thing. But you did bring a laptop to the beach, correct?
17:06I did because I was that dedicated of an employee.
17:09And I had – And you were wearing jeans correctly?
17:12No, I was not wearing jeans. That's why Nando's an idiot.
17:16I was not wearing jeans to the beach. Did you wear sneakers?
17:19Has Nando spoken to you yet? Are you guys still fighting?
17:23No. We're still – He's still mad at me for something.
17:26I have no freaking idea what he's mad at me about, but he's mad at me and I'm seeing him tomorrow.
17:33All right. We'll talk to you. We'll talk to you in two – we'll be back in two and two on Fantasy Football today.
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18:39And yeah, I have just a couple of questions because we'll never get to the whole show if we do our normal thing here.
18:46But all right, pick one was Jamie, right? Yes.
18:49Yes. All right. So you took Jameer Gibbs and then you took Brock Bowers and Chris Olave.
18:54Why did you decide that was the right time to take Brock Bowers?
18:58And which wide receivers would have had to have been on the board for you to not take Brock Bowers at the 2-3 turn?
19:05Oh, I would have been perfectly fine taking Olave and Neighbors or Olave and Devante Smith.
19:10So it really wasn't a question of which receivers were on the board because there was plenty of options for me.
19:17But to walk away with the number one running back and the number one tight end and the upside for both those players, it's hard to pass up.
19:25So that's the range that I like to consider Brock Bowers.
19:29I think you still can get good receivers, as you saw what was available to me in the 5-6, right?
19:35No, the 4-5 turn, excuse me. Terry McCorn was there.
19:38Parker Washington was there. Devante Williams was there. I'm fine with those guys as number two receivers, just knowing that Bowers has the upside that he has.
19:46And if we're being realistic here, the ADP suggests I probably have better options at receiver than those guys if I go that route also.
19:54So no real run on quarterbacks as we see here with Josh Allen not going to round four.
19:59There's probably three or four quarterbacks off the board by that point that pushes some receiver talent back to me or some running back talent back to me.
20:08So I really think Bowers is going to be an absolute monster this season.
20:12Yeah. My question, though, was like if Nico Pickens.
20:15Oh, I'm sorry. You're saying if it was the other way around.
20:19Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. If it was Nico, I'm just being realistic, I guess.
20:23Nico Pickens, probably. Rice? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If like AJ Brown's probably not going to get to the 2-3 turn.
20:30But Nico Pickens, Rice, like two of those three could definitely get there.
20:34Correct. Would you have taken Bowers in that scenario or would you have gone Gibbs receiver receiver?
20:39I would have gone if it was Nico Pickens, Olave, I'd probably take two of those guys.
20:44If it was any of them or sorry, one of them and Rice like it was, I would probably go Bowers.
20:50So I think I have a Bowers-Rice in my rankings.
20:54So I prefer Bowers over Rice. Second question, Jamie, is this is a three receiver league PPR.
20:59So what we're looking at here is pick by pick where me, Dave, Jamie, Heath, Dan, and Jacob each had two picks.
21:06One pick in the first half, one pick in the second half of the round.
21:10So this is a PPR league with one quarterback, one tight end, two running backs, three receivers, and a flex.
21:16Do you like your receivers? Olave, McLaurin, Brian Thomas Jr.?
21:19Yes, but you have to throw Bowers in the conversation there just based on what the upside is.
21:25So I love Olave. I like McLaurin. A little concerned about Thomas.
21:29You know, so I don't remember who the fourth receiver is.
21:32I'm sorry. Carnell. Yeah. So it starts, you know, it's a very slippery slope as we get down there, you know, in
21:39terms of who the other players are. And since doing this draft, I've dropped Tate even further.
21:44So I would have taken Sutton. I think just, again, the idea would be is you have to understand when you take
21:51a tight end early or if you want to, you know, make it a quarterback early that you're going to be a little deficient someplace else.
21:59And so my hole in this roster is number three receiver.
22:02So the high end potential of this team, though, is number one running back, number one tight end, potential top five receiver.
22:09And then. And then decent number two receiver, decent number two running back, you know, but like this is I don't want
22:15to say it's like a studs and duds approach, but it's very high end in terms of if those guys hit to
22:22the potential that they're going to hit. Like, that's what you're looking at for those three guys to, you know, basically carry
22:29a lot of what my team is going to be.
22:32OK. And his quarterback is Trevor Lawrence. So team one team one is fun.
22:36I came up with a really fun team names for all these.
22:40One is fun as Trevor Lawrence, a quarterback. Brock Bowers at tight end.
22:44Jameer Gibbs, Quinshawn Judkins at running back. Olave McLaurin, Brian Thomas Jr.
22:48And the flex will be Rico Dowdle or Carnell Tate.
22:51OK, next team. Team two. Two. I have a question for you.
22:54Yeah. OK, so go ahead to set up your team.
22:57Two loves you is team two. And I took Jamar Chase instead of B.
23:02John Robinson. And I will tell you that if you have that decision, you're probably going to feel a lot more comfortable
23:09with your team if you take B. John Robinson around one, just because the things we've been talking about for the last
23:15eight years, those those running backs, they dry up pretty quickly.
23:19But what's your question? That was my question going to be.
23:22So knowing that you can get two receivers in rounds two and three, most likely.
23:27Now you took Travis H and a little bit ahead of his ADP.
23:31And I think a lot of people have him ranked.
23:34But if you look at the way that it would have played out.
23:38So B. John Rice, let's say you go neighbors.
23:40You like your start better? I like Devante Smith better than neighbors.
23:44So B. OK, so B. John, B. John Smith, B.
23:47John Rice Smith or Chase Rice A. Chan, Travis A.
23:50Chan. Yeah, so it's basically a team with Rasheed Rice and either Jamar Chase and Travis A.
23:55Chan or B. John Robinson, Devante Smith. I would go with B.
23:59John Robinson. So doing again, that's what you would do?
24:02Yeah, it's just like just have this thing where it's like I'd rather trust the Bengals offense than the Falcons offense.
24:09But I understand most people are going to take B.
24:12John, too. That's overwhelmingly the ADP. So, yeah, you're going to feel more comfortable.
24:16Now, right. The question for this team here is, yeah, if you I think this is really more for most people who are picking third.
24:24But for me, it's picking second because I did go Jamar Chase.
24:27And if you go wide receiver, wide receiver, what do you do in round three?
24:32You know, because whichever running back you take there, unless Gentry falls to you, is going to be a quote unquote reach based on average draft position.
24:40Did I take Travis A. Chan too early? I also could have taken Jeremiah Love, Javante Williams, Brees Hall, Kyron Williams, DeAndre Swift or something like that.
24:49Did I make a mistake, Dave, in taking Travis A.
24:52Chan? Because we just talked about all those running backs in round five.
24:56I don't want to be so reliant. I don't want to have two guys after the first four rounds.
25:01You know, so I'm OK with it, but don't love it.
25:05But did I make a mistake with A. Chan in round three?
25:08I think you made a mistake on two fronts.
25:11Number one, I would have taken Jeremiah Love and his upside over Travis A.
25:16Chan. I understand that A. Chan was a good running back last year in Jacksville.
25:20Really, he got a lot of work. He's in a good offense again this year.
25:25We think we are going to see good things from the Saints.
25:28And he should be a feature back there. I would rather have Jeremiah Love.
25:33I would rather have Javante Williams. Both of them went after A.
25:36Chan. So I think you took the wrong running back.
25:39The second one is you passed up Trey McBride, who I'm still believing in as a difference-making tight end for fantasy.
25:46Real close to Bowers, if not ahead of Bowers in full PPR.
25:50In my opinion, he is ahead of Bowers in full PPR.
25:53And if you had gone with that approach of Rice, Chase, and let's say not a running back, you could have just started hammering RBs in round four.
26:02It's kind of a zero RB approach. You could have had Quinshot Judkins in late round four.
26:07You could have had Ramondre or Jadarian Price in round five.
26:10It wouldn't be the best running backs for your team, but you just think about the studs that you would have with
26:17your first three picks, and you'd feel a lot better about it.
26:21I wouldn't feel better about those. Hold on a second.
26:24Hold on a second. We have somebody here joining us.
26:27Oh, come on. Hi, Nando. I don't want to do this.
26:30Hey, man. That's all you said. Call me. Yeah, Adam thinks you're mad at him.
26:35Why? We're probably skipping the party tomorrow because I don't want to hang out.
26:39No way. That can't be. No way. Do you hear him?
26:42Yeah, he'll see. I guess he'll see tomorrow. You don't skip the party.
26:46That's ridiculous. Why would you do that? Why would you punish yourself?
26:50I think you skipped the party. I'm in the same place as Amanda.
26:54What did I do? All right, we'll settle this afterwards.
26:57I don't know why you're mad at him, but we would.
27:00I did literally nothing to this man. You know why.
27:04No, I don't. I honestly don't. I have no idea.
27:07All right, I'll call you back. It's so weird.
27:09It's so weird. All right, bye. Did you tell everybody I'm hurt?
27:13No, bye. All right, all right. I'll talk to you later.
27:16Bye. It's so weird, man. I really like I did nothing.
27:20What did you do? I told him to not try to sell the posters of my brother photoshopped into movie posters or whatever.
27:27I was like, it's not me. It's my brother.
27:30You can't do that. And he got mad at me for that?
27:33I don't know. Anyway, all right. So that's just, you know, look, maybe I took the wrong running back according to Dave.
27:40All right. Let's just say hypothetically, Dave, I had taken Jeremiah Love there.
27:44Would you? Okay. Not Javante Williams. Williams would have been who I would have taken.
27:49If I was dead set on a running back.
27:51That's the one I would have taken. Okay, fine.
27:54Did you consider not taking a running back and just going either Smith or McBride?
27:59So this is, and I think this is a tough spot for people that are picking early in round one.
28:05It is a tough spot. This is tough. So I'm looking at my rankings.
28:09I would have taken McBride and I would have had the differentiator at tight end and then just tried to find some running back starting in round four.
28:18So let me tell you the two, the two guys that if they had made it back to me in round four,
28:25I would have been comfortable with going receiver, receiver, receiver, or receiver, receiver, tight end.
28:29But no, again, Jamie always says, no, you're drafting with.
28:32I didn't think they'd make it to me and they didn't.
28:36ADP says they have a better chance of making it to you at two.
28:40So you have the second pick or the third pick.
28:43You take Jamar Chase, you take a wide receiver.
28:46Then you take another wide receiver or a tight end, Trey McBride.
28:49And if Bucky Irving, not in that order, if DeAndre Swift or Bucky Irving had made it back to me in round
28:56four, if I had felt confident that they would be there, I would not have taken Travis HN in round three.
29:03But I didn't think they would because I know this group and I just felt like they go earlier and they did.
29:09Swift went mid round four. Bucky Irving went two picks before mine.
29:13So those were the two guys that I was thinking, okay, if I could get them as my RB1 in round four and ADP says you could.
29:21So maybe you don't have to, don't have to do what I did.
29:25I just didn't think they'd be there. I didn't want Quinchon Judkins to be my RB1.
29:30There's one other point if I may make it.
29:33Yeah. And then we'll move on to team three.
29:36HN is your guy. You believe in him. You like, you want him on your team.
29:41That might be the most important point we make here.
29:44When you're drafting this weekend, take your guys, get the guy you want.
29:48You don't have to follow ADP. We talk about it all the time.
29:52I think Jamie just mentioned it recently on one of our shows.
29:55It's just something huge. When you like somebody, don't worry about ADP.
29:59Get your guy. And if HN was your guy, then you shouldn't care that, oh, I like Javante better.
30:05You shouldn't care about that. Just get your guy.
30:08All right. Pick three. What is it? Oh, pick one is one is fun.
30:12Pick two is two loves you. Pick three. And three is the broken skull crushers.
30:16Three loves me. Broken skull crushers. B. John Robinson, AJ Brown.
30:20Terrific start. Trey McBride. Was this you, Dave? Yeah.
30:23Okay. Trey McBride. This is a team. Who else would take Trey McBride in early round three?
30:28A lot of people would. And Trey McBride. So this is a team that has an elite tight end and a top
30:35five, top three quarterback in Drake May with your first six picks here.
30:39So May went really late. I don't think you're going to expect him to go late in round six most drafts.
30:45But how do you like your build investing a lot in a tight end and a quarterback the first six rounds?
30:51I don't have a problem doing that in the first six rounds.
30:55This is going to sound nitpicky, though. I do have a problem.
30:59And I've found myself having problems when I take a top tier tight end and a top tier quarterback within my first five picks.
31:06There's something about that difference between the first five picks and the first six picks.
31:11You get just a little bit more breathing room to build your roster and your lineup the way that you want to
31:18when you're not taking the onesie positions a little bit too soon.
31:21So I made it a point round five. There wasn't a quarterback I would have taken in that spot anyway.
31:27So I knew that I was going to wait a while.
31:31Plus, I wanted to get wide receivers. This is a three receiver league.
31:35I wasn't interested in taking a quarterback in rounds four and five when I knew I needed to target wide receivers.
31:41I loved the start. I've had maybe a little bit of buyer's remorse over DJ Moore ahead of Quinshawn Judkins.
31:47I would imagine that in a full PPR league, by the time we get to the end of the season, it'll be close between those two.
31:55And the reason why I was jittery is because my number two running back is Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt.
32:01And Jamie talked about you're going to have a weak spot on your team somewhere.
32:05I opted for my weak spot to be RB2.
32:08The way that I combat that is the thing that I do in every single draft I'm in.
32:14And that's just take a lot of running backs late and hope that one of them can be my RB2 to begin the season.
32:21Fingers crossed. It's Krosky Merritt. Next round after I got Merritt, I got Mike Washington Jr.
32:26If there's a world where Ashton Gentry doesn't play in week one, then obviously Washington Jr.
32:31would be my RB2. But I love the start.
32:34I love the stack of May and AJ Brown as well.
32:37And in a full PPR, I think this is a really, really good team.
32:41Don't know why you took chase over Bijon Robinson, Adam, but I'm grateful that you did.
32:46Yep. So team three, again, if you want to wait on running back, he takes Bijon Robinson as the hero RB, Ja'Cory
32:53Krosky Merritt and Mike Washington in rounds seven and eight, and Zach Charbonnet in round 10, Najee Harris in round 13.
32:59But it's the starting lineup is Drake May, Trey McBride, Bijon Robinson, Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt, and then a terrific trio of receivers,
33:06AJ Brown, DJ Moore, Parker Washington, and the flex is probably Korten Sutton.
33:10We should probably revisit this if you had taken Bijon two and I took chase at three, because that's going to be what happens in most leagues.
33:18Most people are going to get Jamar chase at three.
33:21If I take chase at three, do I still take AJ Brown in late round two?
33:26In this case, I believe I will. Yeah. And then in round three, do I take Trey McBride or do I take Javante Williams?
33:34It's a tough call between those two for me.
33:37Right. I think I'd still lean McBride over Javante, but then I would absolutely not take DJ Moore in round four.
33:43That would be Quinchon Juggins. And then Washington versus one of those running backs in that round five range, Price, Montgomery, Tootin, Ramondre.
33:50That's a tougher call for me. I'd probably take the running back there instead of Parker.
33:55Team four. Four scores more. This is one of the two teams that did a wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver build.
34:02And this is a three receiver league, but you could do this in a two receiver league as well.
34:08So team four went receiver, receiver, receiver, and then four straight running backs.
34:11And it's Puka Nakua, Nico Collins, Malik Neighbors, Bucky Irving, Ramondre Stevenson, still Jadarian Price, Bachel Tootin, Cam Scadaboo were on the
34:18board, but team four wanted Ramondre Stevenson. Jalen Warren and Jordan Mason.
34:22And then Stefan Diggs, Dijon Stribling. Like, my only beef with this team is like, I don't think you need to take
34:29six running backs or five wide receivers before you take your quarterback and your tight end.
34:34I don't think you have to have Kyler Murray and Dallas Goddard, Jamie.
34:38So I think I love the first seven picks.
34:40Puka, Nico, Neighbors, Bucky, Stevenson, Jalen Warren, Jordan Mason.
34:43And then after that, I mean, I feel like you could take, you could take a higher end tight end, like, well,
34:50Kelsey, Goddard, whatever, it's not a huge deal. But I'm looking at the quarterback.
34:54Like, could have taken Dak Prescott. Could have taken Trevor Lawrence.
34:58I don't know. I understand waiting on those positions, but I think this team waited too long.
35:03Well, potentially. I mean, you know, unless you just have that strong, I'm assuming it's Dan, so you probably have that strong feelings.
35:10No, I think it's Jacob. That was Jacob? Okay.
35:13I mean, they probably share a brain. They share a brain, yeah.
35:16Very long. You know, that Kyler is, you know, I know a favorite of Dan, so I'm assuming Jacob probably likes him also.
35:23So you're just getting the quarterback that you like.
35:26You know, so if that's the case and you have a grade on Kyler that's similar to some of those other guys,
35:33then you just wait it out as long as you want to.
35:36I love this build. You know, you got to get a little lucky, and I think you do here, by getting Irving, Stevenson, Warren, and Mason.
35:44Like, you could have four starting running backs there.
35:47Two that could still qualify as very good number two running backs, and Irving and Stevenson, two that could be high-end flexes
35:54or number two running backs in Warren and Mason.
35:57So it worked out well, assuming that the three receivers do what they're capable of doing.
36:02So if you're comfortable enough with this, you're going to feel queasy, but if you're comfortable enough with this, like, this is
36:08what you want to do at the three spot, at the four spot, at the five spot, potentially the six and seven
36:15spots, depending on, you know, where those, you know, picks go with, you know, JSN and Amara St.
36:21Brown and how the running backs fall to you.
36:23So you see it happen again two picks later with the JSN selection.
36:27So at six. So it can work out really well, but you got to get lucky with the running backs.
36:34I think, obviously, if you're watching this, it's easier to see than if you're just listening.
36:38It's easier to follow along. YouTube.com slash Fantasy Football Today.
36:42It's also on the site if you want to follow along while you're listening to it.
36:46Good. Thank you very much. Um, but yeah, team four went receiver, receiver, receiver.
36:51Team five went running back, running back, running back.
36:53And team six went receiver, receiver, receiver. So we'll see which builds we like better.
36:58We'll talk about team five. We're going to take a little break here and then we'll talk about team five, which is team number Johnny five.
37:06And there's no way Dan gets that reference. This is Dan's team.
37:10But yeah, I think we definitely think that this three receiver build works for you.
37:14Puka, Nico, neighbors, Bucky, Stevenson, Warren, Mason. Um, yeah, again, I think you can probably go a little earlier on quarterback and
37:21or tight end, but Dallas Goddard and Kyler, Kyler Murray, you could do worse.
37:25Um, all right, we'll be right back to talk about team five, which is running back, running back, running back, and the
37:32fatal flaw that this team might have. And, and a mistake, I don't want to call it a mistake, but something you
37:39might not want to do when we come back on Fantasy Football today.
37:43So we like the three receiver build, three receivers with your first three picks at pick four.
37:48Do we like three running backs with your first three picks at pick five?
37:52Dan picked Christian McCaffrey, Ashton Gentty, Jeremiah Love, and then a Mecca Abuka as his wide receiver one.
37:58And no risk. Yeah. We've got two ankles and a toe there and Christian McCaffrey.
38:03When Christian McCaffrey is the healthiest player on your team with the first four picks, that could be a little much.
38:09Um, but just the build of McCaffrey, Gentty, Love, Abuka, Jameson Williams, Quentin Johnston, Kyle Pitts, Justin Herbert, and then Flex.
38:15Oh no, we already have our Flex and Love.
38:18We are third. Yeah, that's it. That's your starting lineup.
38:21Uh, I, I like it, Dave. McCaffrey, Gentty, Love, Abuka, Jameson Williams, Quentin Johnston, Kyle Pitts, Justin Herbert.
38:27Dan's playing for first or last. He's not trying to take any safeguards.
38:31He's willing to take the chance on Christian McCaffrey.
38:33He's buying the dip on Ashton Gentty and Jeremiah Love.
38:37Answer this question. If Gentty had never been hurt, would he even be in this conversation in mid to late round two?
38:43If Jeremiah Love had ever been hurt, would he ever be in the conversation of early middle round three?
38:49Yes. Yes. But I don't think Gentty probably would have been around two, but I think Henry probably would have fallen close to that spot.
38:57Because Gentty was going in the first round. Maybe.
39:00But I think he's buying the dip on Gentty and Love by getting them in these spots.
39:05And Abuka, we should throw him in the mix too.
39:08Is he a late round four pick if he doesn't hurt?
39:11Yeah, Abuka fell. I don't think Love, this was kind of the range for him to begin with.
39:17And Gentty was anywhere from round one to this spot.
39:20So it's a little bit lower. I remember loves ADP being closer to the 2-3 turn.
39:25Maybe. It doesn't matter. I wouldn't constitute this as a dip.
39:28I think if you're getting him late round three or early round four, that's falling from where he was.
39:34The thing that I just don't love about this, no pun intended, is like you're passing.
39:39I would have taken receiver in round three, especially with Devontae Smith staring his face.
39:43So you go, those two running backs, they're great.
39:46You could have easily, to me, the lineup looks a lot better if it's McCaffrey, Gentty, Smith, Abuka, Jameson, and then if
39:53Quentin Johnson's your flexor, you want to go another running back there.
39:57I like that a lot better. You could have had Warren at running back or Pollard.
40:02But look, it could work. Definitely could work. Obviously, the round two pick has to be one of those top 12 running backs.
40:09If not, you're not taking them. And Gentty's probably going to be 12th at this point.
40:14But McCaffrey, Gentty, Jeremiah Love. Now, that could have been Javante Williams instead.
40:17Emeka Abuka, Jameson Williams, Quentin Johnston. You know, not bad.
40:21And then Herbert hits. All right, moving on. Let me just add, this wouldn't be my favorite way to build, but I
40:27don't hate the idea of I'm going to shoot for the moon and get as many high upside players as I can early.
40:34We always talk about getting high upside players late.
40:37Dan's applying that to literally every pick that he made.
40:40And Team 6, 6, go Knicks. Is Jeremiah, no, is Jackson Smith in Jigba?
40:44Shouldn't it be Knicks in 5? Oh, like for Team 5?
40:48But I love making a Johnny 5 reference, you know?
40:51Yeah. Why talk about a generational championship when you can refer to an average 1980s movie?
40:56Because I did it with Team 6. Team 6 is 6, go Knicks.
41:00Jeremiah, jeez, I did it again. Jackson Smith in Jigba.
41:03George Pickens, Zay Flower. So this is the other team that went receiver, receiver, receiver.
41:08This is Heath's team, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Heath texted me during our IDP draft yesterday that I drafted four of his six most rostered players.
41:15Oh, that's tough. In your IDP league? In an IDP league.
41:19Because we were on opposite ends, I think. I think I had the second pick.
41:23I ended up with Pickens, Pitts. No. You didn't get Pitts.
41:27Oh, maybe you did. It was Pickens, Burden. I don't remember.
41:30But he was like, I said, maybe I'm using your rankings.
41:34Sounds like you two are going to make a trade down the line.
41:38All right. JSN, Pickens, and Flowers. So the difference between this team and Team 4.
41:42Team 4 went receiver, receiver, receiver. And then four running backs.
41:46Team 6 went receiver, receiver, receiver. And then running back, tight end, running back, running back.
41:50So three running backs with the next four picks.
41:53And, again, a quarterback in round eight. So another good build here.
41:57It's Jalen Hurts at quarterback. Sam Laporta at tight end.
42:00JSN, Pickens, and Flowers at receiver. DeAndre Swift, Jonathan Brooks, and J.K.
42:04Dobbins at running back. And maybe flex. Could also flex D.K.
42:07Metcalf in there. We have Woody Marks. We have Brock Purdy on the bench.
42:11Trey Tucker. So, yeah, another way you could build the team.
42:15It's pretty solid. But what do you think about going to war with DeAndre Swift, Jonathan Brooks, J.K.
42:20Dobbins, Woody Marks, and Dylan Sampson, Dave? I'd be nervous about going to war with them.
42:25But this is the price you pay for going receiver, receiver, receiver in the middle of the draft.
42:31So, round one, obviously, you're in the middle of every single round.
42:34And getting those first two receivers, this is almost the same thing of what Jamie talked about with Dan's team.
42:40When you start your team with JSN and Pickens, that's great.
42:44Like, no one's going to complain about that duo.
42:47But do you even look at Javante Williams, who was available there?
42:50Do you look at Brees Hall? Do you look at Kyron Williams?
42:54Because you might be able to get – you definitely could have been able to get one of those guys plus DeAndre Swift.
43:01Then you don't have Zay Flowers. He took Flowers in round three because that's one of his guys.
43:07And so I can't fault him for that. I would have taken a running back there.
43:11But if he had taken Devontae Smith instead of Zay Flowers, T.
43:15Higgins instead of Zay Flowers, I would have liked it a lot better.
43:19I wonder how he would have felt if – because I decided to take Josh Allen in round four.
43:25I felt he just fell too far. That would probably, in most cases, be DeAndre Swift for me because I take him in almost every draft.
43:33I'm guessing he would have gone Judkins. If what?
43:36He might have gone Allen. If I had taken Swift.
43:39Oh, oh. He might have gone Allen. That's true.
43:42But let's assume it's not a quarterback. So does it look as good as FitzJuckins?
43:46Over Swift? No. I mean, Swift looks – I'd rather Swift than Judkins.
43:50Yeah. I think Swift fell a little bit in this draft.
43:53So assuming he's healthy. It just like – that kind of saved him, in my opinion.
43:58Okay. I agree. That helped him for sure. Well, let's see.
44:02I mean, I don't know that he fell. The real-time ADP for Fantasy Pros is 46 for DeAndre Swift.
44:08Well, I mean, we can't judge that because we're the quarterbacks are.
44:11I'm just saying. Are we using the real-time or not?
44:14Why wouldn't I use the real-time? No, I'm saying you can, but it's not realistic of what our drafts are representative.
44:21Our drafts. Our drafts, he's going 38th. NFC, he's going 45th over the last week.
44:25So I think it's pretty realistic that DeAndre Swift is there in the middle of round four.
44:31Yep. What's CBS ADP? 38? 38. Yeah. We should just hire there.
44:34I don't know what the reasoning for that is.
44:37But okay. All right. Team six. Oh, wait. Just to compare teams four and six, they both went receiver, receiver, receiver, then a running back.
44:45But team four has Ramondre Stevenson as RB2 and Dallas Goddard at tight end.
44:49Team six has Sam Laporta at tight end and Jonathan Brooks as RB2.
44:53Anyway. Team four has better running back depth, though.
44:56So for whatever he loses from Laporta to Goddard, his depth at running back is way better than what Heath has.
45:02All right. Pick seven here, which is seven minute abs.
45:05This was Jamie. He took Josh Allen in round four, 42nd overall.
45:09So that's the only quarterback you would have taken there, right?
45:12Oh, for sure. Okay. This is a pretty balanced team.
45:15Team seven here. We've got running back. We got receiver, running back, receiver, quarterback, running back, receiver.
45:21So you're starting Allen, likely, who you took 90th overall.
45:24Derek Henry and Jadarian Price. St. Brown, Devontae Smith, Marvin Harrison Jr.
45:27My question for you here, I guess, would have been, what do you think is a better start?
45:33Amon Ross St. Brown, Derek Henry, and Devontae Smith, which is what you did, or Amon Ross St.
45:38Brown, A.J. Brown, and Javontae Williams. So it's Henry and Devontae Smith in two and three, or A.J.
45:44Brown and Javontae Williams in rounds two and three.
45:47What's a better start for this team? The way I did it.
45:50I agree. Dave, Henry and Devontae Smith. I don't have a problem with the one bit.
45:55A.J. Brown and Javontae Williams. Which one would you prefer?
45:58Yeah. Henry and Smith is good. Okay. Yeah. It's a really good team.
46:02And the quarterback value just staring him in the face.
46:05Honestly, I don't think we have to talk about this team that much.
46:09Let's go to pick eight. Sorry, I wasn't trying to shortchange you, but nothing but running backs and receivers in the first seven rounds.
46:17And then George Kittle in round eight. Juwan Johnson to back up George Kittle.
46:21The pick on this team that's just kind of ridiculous is Dak Prescott, 113th overall.
46:26His ADP is like 59. Yeah. So you can look at this team and say, do I like this team if that
46:32pick is Jared Goff instead of Dak Prescott? But yeah, so it's Cook, Barkley, T.
46:37Higgins, Kyron Williams, Christian Watson, Chris Godwin. One thing I'd point out about this team is that it's a PPR league and
46:44we've got James Cook, Saquon Barkley, T. Higgins, Kyron Williams, Christian Watson with the first five picks.
46:49None of those guys are catch standouts. Does that matter?
46:52I think that's probably a little bit of a nitpick, but like the expectation is that Cook and Barkley should be more
46:59involved in their offenses catching the ball this year than they were last year.
47:03Higgins, if healthy, will offset some of the reception issues with his touchdowns.
47:07Kyron, I think, is just amazing value in round four.
47:10I think that's, you know, him falling that far as or falling to that spot is good.
47:15And then hopefully you get just healthy seasons from Watson and Godwin.
47:19Like you drafted very well here. You could probably say, okay, maybe you don't take Kyron since you went running back, running
47:26back, and you had the chance to take a Buka or DJ Moore, you know, as one of those, you know, I
47:33think high end, you know, wide receiver twos, especially if a Buka is healthy.
47:37But I think you covered yourself well, just how it fell with Watson in round five and Godwin in round six.
47:43So you did, you did really well here. I wouldn't worry about like, oh, I don't have a strictly pass catching running
47:50back as, as one of my two or three guys, or I don't have a high reception total guy as one of my top two receivers.
47:58I think Godwin could be that guy, but it's questionable.
48:01So I really think you did a great job here.
48:04Just capitalizing on some great value picks and guys that just, you know, give you such tremendous options.
48:10And just to compare the two teams in seven and eight, cause that was me and you, um, are you and me,
48:16excuse me, that, um, you waited on quarterback and ended up with just a steal.
48:21So to go back to knowing your, who you're drafting with, I, I, when the minute I took Josh Allen and I,
48:28and I didn't see any other quarterback go until Lamar Jack was like, oh man, I, I hate this.
48:34You know, like it had nothing to do with Josh Allen, just taking that position.
48:38And so then seeing you take Dak Prescott where you got him, like if I took Deandre Swift there, like I love
48:45that team even more knowing that I could have gotten, let's just say all the quarterbacks get pushed down.
48:51And I take somebody else where I took, let's say Marvin Harrison.
48:54Yeah. Last point I'll make about this team. If you're in a league that starts two flexes or three wide receivers or
49:01something, for me, the ones I feel the most comfortable with doesn't mean they're going to be the best, but the ones
49:08I leave them like, okay, I like this team is the ones where I pretty much wait on both quarterback and tight
49:15end and just load up on running back and receiver.
49:18And then drafting Kyron Williams, a cook Barkley Higgins, and then Kyron in round three, in round four, instead of a Buka
49:25or DJ Moore, that allowed me to skip rounds five and six at running back, which we talk about as the ick
49:31rounds and taking Christian Watson and Chris Godwin. And I just, I was really happy with those two picks, preferred them so much to add the running backs.
49:40I would have taken there. All right. Except I really do like Marshawn Lloyd.
49:44If he had made it back to me in round six, I would have had to have taken him even as a
49:51fourth running back, but that's just me. All right.
49:54Number nine, nine. Team nine. Torture demon hell ride.
49:56Or nine saw the sign. So Dave picked this one.
49:59Shout out Wesley Willis, RIP. You went running back receiver, running back receiver.
50:03Jonathan Taylor, Justin Jefferson, Javante Williams, and Garrett Wilson.
50:06In retrospect, and then you got Tyler Warren, 57th, which was really good value.
50:11And then David Montgomery and Joe Burrow, 81st, which is insane value.
50:14It's a great team, but was Justin Jefferson the right pick?
50:18You went Taylor one Jefferson over Barkley and Henry and Javante.
50:21Then Javante Williams and Garrett Wilson. Do you think in retrospect, Justin Jefferson was the right pick in round two?
50:27Not only do I think it was the right pick.
50:30I feel like I got good value on every single one of my first seven picks in this draft.
50:36I loved this team. I think Jonathan Taylor should go before ninth overall.
50:40I think Jefferson is, I mean, it's a little bit of a value for Jefferson.
50:45This is about the range that he's going to go in, but I've seen Jefferson late round one, early round two.
50:51Javante to me is an early round three running back.
50:54The fact that he went late round three is good value.
50:57Garrett Wilson. This is about the range for him.
51:00This is about the range for Tyler Warren. I thought Montgomery for, we talk about Montgomery in the round five.
51:06Ick. Well, he's around six stick. I don't know.
51:09I like, I sure as hell I'm going to take anybody that I'm nervous about taking around five, but I can get them in round six.
51:17That feels like a win. And then I practice what I preach.
51:21Joe Burrow felt like an absolute steal in round seven.
51:24Okay. Good pick here. Again, a very balanced team running back receiver, running back receiver.
51:28Now, as we get toward the one, two turn and we have picks 10, 11, 12, we've talked a lot about going RB, RB, wide receiver, wide receiver.
51:37If you're picking late and team 10 did exactly that team 10 wins again, chase Brown, Kenneth Walker, Luther Burden, lad McConkey.
51:44And you know, if you didn't love the Luther Burden pick at 34 overall, that could have been McMillan or Waddle or
51:51McConkey and maybe get Garrett Wilson or a Buka in the next round.
51:55But Jamie, we, we know we like running back, running back wide receiver, wide receiver.
51:59With pick 10, we have Bejal Tootin over Cam Scadaboo in round five.
52:03Do we think Scadaboo fell too far in this draft at 60th?
52:07We never saw Tootin go ahead of him. Do you think team 10 made the right call taking Tootin over Scadaboo?
52:13I have Tootin over Scadaboo. So yes, I, I co-sign that.
52:17I'm nervous about Scadaboo just with the committee and what this could be for him.
52:21So committee potentially in Jacksonville. I think the offense is better in Jacksonville.
52:25So despite maybe some schedule concerns, I would still take Tootin over Scadaboo right now, given the uncertainty for both.
52:31But yeah, I, I think this build is great.
52:34Brown and Walker are awesome. Two of my favorites.
52:37Like you said, I would have probably flip-flopped the receivers and just taken McConkey first, but to get McConkey in round four is amazing.
52:44And so, you know, if you don't love those two receivers could have had McConkey and Wilson could have had Wilson, you
52:51know, Wilson, McConkey, whatever, you know, Waddle or, or, or Tet, any of those guys, you know, make, make a ton of sense there.
52:58Even a Buka was, was available. So, um, I love, I love this build.
53:03I love this team. You know, if there is maybe a nitpick, it's, you know, did, did you take craft over maybe
53:09another wide receiver just because we start three receivers in this league and could you have come back and take another tight end the next round?
53:17But I think it just ended up in a really good spot.
53:21If there is a hole, it might be wide receiver three, but if you love downs and Pittman and that combination, just
53:28sort of mixing and matching it, you should be great.
53:31Yeah. That was actually my question for you, right?
53:34So, so this is a really good question at a tough call for teams picking late here.
53:39Chase Brown, Ken Walker at, at starting from the 10th pick, Chase Brown, Ken Walker, Luther Burden, Ladd McConkey, Bejal Tootin.
53:45Was Tucker craft the right pick at 63 overall could have taken, let's probably a wide receiver there to get your number three wide receiver.
53:53Mike Evans had just gone off the board, could have taken Chris Godwin, Marvin Harrison Jr., Quentin Johnston, Brian Thomas Jr.
53:59Those are probably the only wide receivers in play there.
54:02If this team, 10 wins again, had taken Chase Brown, Ken Walker, Luther Burden, Ladd McConkey, Bejal Tootin, Chris Godwin, you now have three running backs, three receivers.
54:11And in round seven, you could have taken maybe Harold Vanden Jr., but almost certainly George Kittle and Isaiah likely.
54:17In fact, ADP says you can get Isaiah likely in round nine or 10.
54:21Is that better than taking Tucker craft 63rd overall, Dave?
54:25I think it is by a little bit. I don't mind craft in early round six, one bit, because I think he
54:31can be, I think he can finish as a top three fantasy tight end if he can stay healthy and if the Packers run game can't get going.
54:40But those are ifs. And I think I would have preferred taking, like if you really value Evans and even if you
54:47don't, you could have taken Odunze where Jacob took Tootin.
54:50And then you could have gotten one of those settle for RB twos where he took craft or you could have just
54:56taken craft and hammered running backs in round seven, eight, nine.
55:00And remember, this is a three receiver league. If you're in a two receiver league, then it makes that craft pick, you know, you're more palatable, I suppose.
55:08All right. Team 11, team 11 and team 12, uh, both started similarly.
55:1211 went 11 is heaven. Went lamb and Hampton and 12 on the shelf.
55:17Couldn't really come up with anything. That's what everybody calls their team.
55:20Like 12 H and in London, but we'll look at 11 here.
55:24Lamb and Hampton, Jalen Waddle, Brees Hall, Romo Dunze, Mike Evans.
55:27So you've got your starting running backs and your three receivers and a flex in your first six picks.
55:33Lamb, Hampton, Waddle, Brees Hall, Romo Dunze, Mike Evans with, with your first six picks.
55:38Harold Fannin Jr. in round seven, Patrick Mahomes in round 11 and Malik Willis in round 13.
55:43Um, I guess Jamie, we could say maybe this team could have gone Kittle and likely over Fannin, but whatever.
55:49How about Patrick Mahomes and Malik Willis as your quarterback duo?
55:53Because other than that, I don't know how you can be upset with lamb Hampton Waddle.
55:57Maybe you don't like Waddle there, but if there's whatever, pick a wide receiver McConkie Brees Hall, Oh, Dunze, Evans, tight ends,
56:04Jordan Addison for depth, Chris Rodriguez, Emmett Johnson. I think it's really good, but my homes and Malik Willis.
56:10Did this team wait too long to get quarterback?
56:13I did. Did they take my homes over somebody better?
56:16Goff. Okay. So I would have preferred Goff. You tell me he's Goff Willis, then A++.
56:21And Stafford too. Yeah. I would have taken either of those quarterbacks over my homes, but sure.
56:26But this is like any comments on this build that we like this team?
56:30Like this build a lot. Yeah. Again, you could swap out some of the players.
56:35So I don't mind Waddle in that range of receivers.
56:38I would have preferred McConkie. So you put McConkie there and then Brees Hall in round four is great.
56:44Oh, Dunze, you can clearly debate Oh, Dunze versus Evans.
56:47But I think Oh, Dunze is fine. If somebody is healthy, you swap out Fannin for Kittle or Lightley.
56:53That's great. Addison, that spot is perfect. So just keep going down.
56:56And the quarterback is probably just the biggest issue.
56:59What is better as a build for pick 11?
57:02What did I say? I said, oh, so this team took London and Hampton.
57:06Which team took London and Hampton? Sorry. Took Lamb and Hampton.
57:10Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. This team went Lamb, Hampton, Waddle, Hall.
57:13What's better that build or this team could have had a Chan, Hampton, Waddle, McConkie, you know, the running back, running back,
57:20receiver, receiver, or in this case, Lamb, Hampton, Waddle, Hall.
57:23So if both teams would have had Hampton and Waddle, but would you rather have Lamb and Brees Hall with Hampton and
57:30Waddle or a Chan and McConkie with Hampton and Waddle?
57:33I think this is evidence that Dan doesn't subscribe to the all or nothing kind of theory that he did with his earlier team.
57:40Remember, he's the one that took McCaffrey, Gentty, Love.
57:43He bought the dip on all those players that got some injury history going on right now.
57:48And there's huge upside with them. This feels a little bit safer.
57:52And I don't hate what he did. Knowing that when you take Lamb in round one, he's the last elite wide receiver.
57:59You can make the case for Jefferson, too, I guess, if you really like Kyler.
58:03I would have taken Lamb here, and then I probably would have hammered running back just as he did with Hampton in round two.
58:11And I don't mind his team. I would have taken McConkie over Waddle.
58:15The build, that's what you're asking about? I mean, look, you know, I have a better question.
58:20I think the build that he went with is fine.
58:23But if he were to really, like, lean into upside only, A-Chan would have been the pick in round one.
58:29Walker would have been the pick in round two.
58:32And then in rounds three and four, I probably would have taken Loveland in round three and then McConkie in round four.
58:39Okay. And Dan said on our mailbag, which you'll hear Saturday, that Hampton is his RB4.
58:43So he loves him. Right, right. Okay, let's look at Team 12.
58:47There's the difference of Team 12. We can compare these two teams, right?
58:51Lamb, Hampton. Team 11 was Lamb, Hampton, Waddle, Hall.
58:54And Team 12 was London, A-Chan, or A-Chan, London, McMillan.
58:57So we got receiver, running back, receiver for both teams.
59:00But Team 12 takes Colston Loveland. And Team 11 took Harold Fannin Jr.
59:04in round seven compared to round four for Loveland.
59:07So did Team 12 on the shelf do the right thing?
59:10A-Chan, London, McMillan, Colston Loveland. And then, I mean, I love Scadaboo Lloyd at 60-61.
59:15I don't know how you guys feel about that.
59:18Yeah, very good value. And then Jane Daniels at 84 is insane.
59:21The quarterback value in this draft was insane. So I think it worked out pretty well if you just look at those
59:28first six picks of taking London and still not really feeling all that weak at running back with A-Chan, Scadaboo Lloyd.
59:34But are you weak at receiver? London, McMillan, and then Alec Pierce, who by the way practiced in full, and Debo Samuel later in the draft.
59:42Jamie, what do you think about how the Loveland pick at the 3-4 turn changed this team?
59:48I love the build. I don't love the players in particular, but I love the build.
59:52So for me, if it was Walker instead of A-Chan, if it was A.J.
59:57Brown instead of London, if it was McConkie instead of McMillan, then the players, I think, separate it.
60:02But the build is great. You've got to get a little lucky here because while I'm concerned about Scadaboo, 60th overall is
60:09still great value, especially for somebody whose ADP was a week ago at 34.
60:13And Lloyd is all over the map in terms of where he'll go at this point.
60:18His ADP is still in the 90s, but we know that's not very realistic because he's just continuing to climb.
60:24So knowing your draft and knowing that quarterback's going to go late, you have a borderline top five quarterback.
60:30You have a top three tight end. You have, again, if you believe in A-Chan, still top ten running back no matter
60:37where you – I'm down on him, but I still consider him that.
60:41So the build is fine. It's just a matter of, again, where's your hole?
60:45So your hole could be RB2. Your hole could be wide receiver three.
60:49Your hole could be flex. But at the same time, you could have hit home runs at all of those spots.
60:56So I think the build is absolutely fine. Yeah.
60:58Nice work by Heath on the shelf. All right.
61:01We have a YouTube poll. Heath does a good job.
61:04So if you like following people that buy – you talked about this.
61:08I think Dave said about Travis A-Chan. You buy into taking your guys.
61:12I don't think there's anybody who does it better than Heath does because Zay Flowers, you see, middle of round three, probably
61:19a little bit early, but ahead of some other receivers that I think will go ahead of him in most drafts, he's going to get his guy.
61:27He's going to take Laporta. You see it. Heath talks about this a lot.
61:32You see here he loves Drake London. He loves Devon A-Chan.
61:35He's going to take those guys. He's going to take Ted Earl McMillan over some other receivers that might be better.
61:41So if you believe in that strategy and that theory – You should.
61:45Follow – well, I mean, again, you could get in trouble.
61:49You've got to have conviction with your picks. You've got to like the players you draft.
61:54Yeah, you could get in trouble. And I think one thing that Heath also does a good job of is when he
62:00does that to an extreme, then he starts to diversify a little bit.
62:04So like in the IDP draft, he didn't take Laporta, I'm sure, on purpose, and took Kyle Pitts.
62:10So good to have a little bit of diversification with your rosters if you do a lot of drafts.
62:16If you only do one draft, go get your guys.
62:19Yeah, that's the thing I was going to say.
62:22If you have a lot of drafts – There's just been too many times where I haven't gotten my guy or I've gotten someone I didn't like.
62:30And it ended up being a really good pick.
62:33I mentioned the Tucker Craft pick from last year.
62:35I hated that pick. It was one of my best picks in that Super Flex League.
62:40Adam, I got to run. Okay. I couldn't agree more in terms of trying to get players that you don't have enough of.
62:47So so far – and I do this with players that I don't like.
62:52So last night I had a draft where it was Keeper League draft, and I was not expecting to take McCaffrey.
62:58You know I'm not the biggest McCaffrey fan, but there are a lot of players off the board.
63:04It just made the most sense to take him in the first round where I took him.
63:09The second time that this happened to me where I took McCaffrey, just what I thought was good value.
63:15I don't have Devon Achan in any league yet.
63:17So I'm going to try and change that because I don't want to miss out if I'm wrong.
63:23And I like Barkley. I just have not taken Saquon Barkley at all because usually I end up taking Walker and Hampton ahead of them.
63:31So actually the player I was hoping to take instead of McCaffrey last night was Barkley.
63:36Like I was planning out the draft in my head.
63:39I'm like, oh, Barkley will be there. I finally get Barkley.
63:42I'll get that card. I'm like, oh. I'm not going to take Barkley over McCaffrey.
63:47I tell you, I've got three drafts left, I think, and I need to start drafting more Cowboys, be it Dak, Lamb, or Pickens.
63:54Lamb's going to be tough, but Pickens is the one I really have to start drafting.
63:59I do like him, and I never take him, and I really want to.
64:03I have a funny thing last night. So my friend, he'll appreciate the shout-out, my friend Brett Frankel, I was drafting at
64:10his house for the league that we're in together, and his son was there who's 15.
64:15He's named Spencer. And so he has as keepers Javante Williams and George Pickens.
64:19He drafted Dak Prescott, and he's a very animated guy.
64:22He's all in on the Cowboys. So then he takes Brandon Aubrey, and his son looks at him, 15 years old, keep that in mind.
64:30His son looks at him and goes, what are you doing?
64:33You're counteracting exactly what you want to happen. You want them to score touchdowns, and now you're banking on their kicker scoring
64:40field goals as good as he is. And I'm like, he gets it.
64:44I appreciate this. 15-year-old schooling his father, explaining exactly how it goes.
64:48That's funny. I should do some research on the best red zone teams.
64:52Do their kickers still do well, whatever is the highest.
64:55You get extra points. That counts. You do. You do.
64:58All right, the YouTube poll. Who was Adam's favorite Care Bear?
65:01Bedtime Bear, Grumpy Bear, or Oopsie Bear, or other?
65:04I don't remember a single Care Bear. You know, there was the Care Bear movie that I used to watch when I
65:11was like six or something like that. But I wasn't really that big of a Care Bear.
65:16I'm going to go with Oopsie Bear. I think we should call Nando back and settle this.
65:21What the hell? No. I don't get it, dude.
65:24I didn't do anything. He came on and humiliated me for an hour on the air.
65:29And I told him to take, you know, that I didn't want those posters online and instead of talking to me.
65:35No, this is crazy. No, we're calling him. Hold on.
65:38All right. Other stuff I wanted to tell you.
65:41I'll be live in 42 minutes for a little Q&A.
65:44Programming next week, we're going to start focusing a little bit on drafts, but also week one.
65:49We've got games on Wednesday, Thursday, Sunday, and Monday.
65:52We've got a YouTube live stream every Sunday morning from 11 a.m.
65:56Eastern until 1 p.m. Jamie, are you going to be?
65:59What's your Sunday looking like? I'll be on, I'm sure, for a good portion of it, but I don't know exactly yet.
66:06Okay. But I didn't know if you're doing HQ stuff or what.
66:09Yep. Okay. So you'll be doing that. Also, CBS Sports Network every week, Tuesdays and Thursdays at noon Eastern.
66:15Okay. Anything else here? Oh, why don't we do stupid comments about...
66:19Adam looks like he's a... Let's see. Adam looks like he has a Costco membership card on a lanyard.
66:25I go there for pitted cherries for my fruit salad.
66:28I go there for the hot dog only, the dollar hot dog only.
66:32I go there for bulk sanitizer, yes. I would never go anywhere other than like a really good deli or bagel place
66:38for lox and bagels, so you're wrong about that one.
66:41I go to Costco to people watch. Adam looks like he takes off his shoes at parties without asking.
66:47Yeah. Most people in my circle, we're all shoes off people.
66:51You come into my house, you take your damn shoes off.
66:54Oh, wait. Here we go. All right. Oh, all right.
66:57All right. We're at the end of the show.
67:00Let's settle this. Why are you mad at Adam?
67:03I know you're still on air, man. That's why you...
67:06I don't want to talk about it in front of all these people.
67:10There's no case. There's no case. Why are you...
67:12You're shy all of a sudden? Well, yeah. I mean, my kiddo, it's very personal stuff in there.
67:18It was not. I'm not allowed to talk about it.
67:21Yeah, personal for me. No, he's already brought it up.
67:24Personal for me. I don't know, man. I just feel like first and second year in a row, he tried to make me miss the show.
67:32That's not true. And then I spent all this money on posters and credits on perplexity to make these posters.
67:38Not even a thank you. Just you got to get rid of the stuff.
67:42Dave tries to auction the stuff off for charity.
67:45He's like, no, I don't like St. Jude. Oh, God.
67:48It was all just very rude. It was very, very rude.
67:52And then he never asked how I'm doing, Jamie.
67:54You and Dave ask all the time. He's just never like, hey, man, how you doing?
67:59So, you know. I hope that's not true. But if it's true, I'll do better.
68:04It's a one-way friendship. A one-way friendship with a guy who humiliates me every time he gets a chance.
68:10He just humiliates me. Tells stories about my family that I don't want.
68:14Tells stories about my wife that I don't want to be on the air.
68:18And it's a one-way friendship on my end. I'm sorry.
68:21I will do more of what – I will be more like you going forward.
68:26And I will start humiliating you and your family every time we speak.
68:30I can't hear anything you're saying. I just hear family over and over again.
68:34This sounds like a good way to make up with each other as you can – No, just so you let me know.
68:41The whole chat is saying Team Nando. I stand with Nando.
68:44Oh, thanks. They all love you. So does Scott Fish.
68:48Okay. All right. Well, that was really uncomfortable. Thank you, Jamie.
68:51All right. That's my job to make you phone calls.
68:54Nando, I love you, buddy. I hope you're doing okay.
68:57If something's got like that, I don't want to speak to you.
69:01I don't want to speak to you. It's the same reason, basically.
69:04Scott likes everybody. Love you, bud. I'll talk to you later.
69:08Bye, everybody. Have a great weekend, everybody. And good luck in your drafts.
69:12See you later. Podcasts.