0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. All right, welcome everybody to the Fantasy Pros Podcast.
0:04I am your host Matt Modai, joined by Ter Roberts and hopefully Niffen Natwa will join us as well.
0:10His first time doing this, so just a little bit of technical difficulties.
0:13He's our injury expert, but we might have to put our doctor hat on for the, put our scrubs on for the
0:19evening and pretend to play doctor if we don't get him the situation figured out.
0:24So, um, recap in Week 7, NFL Sunday. Um, before we get into the injuries and stuff, did you have a good week?
0:30Fantasy went well? I don't know what fanhood team you are, but...
0:33I'm Packers fan, so I'm currently not happy about what just went down.
0:37Okay, I did check to see how that game ended.
0:40I guess it didn't end well. Last minute field goal, Detroit.
0:43I mean, drives extended by penalties just... Ugh. Well, yeah, I saw, I saw the, um, the, the, Dan, uh, Dan Campbell went for it on fourth down.
0:50I'd like the 24-yard line got, got stuffed. And then I didn't see what happened after that because just because I was prepping for this.
0:57Yeah, it was, yeah, I don't know. Miss Gilgal?
1:00It was a mess. Um, everything was just quite a mess.
1:03Yeah. Yeah, that happens. Anyways, um, we can just kind of go through the big injuries and hopefully we can get, uh,
1:09we can get the doc in here. But, um, for the graphic, we have Devontae Adams.
1:13So this one happened at the very end of the 4 p.m.
1:17games last week. Um, and we didn't know what the situation was when we were streaming.
1:21Obviously, we now have clarity on that, that we can talk about.
1:25Aaron Jones Sr. left early with a knee injury.
1:27Tyrone Tracy Jr. left early with a hamstring injury.
1:29Uh, Cole Komet out for the year. That's a bummer with a knee injury.
1:33And then for Monday Night Football, not only do we have Saquon Barkley questionable, but we also have, uh, Devontae Smith and Tay Wicks out for the Eagles.
1:41So Eagles, obviously a little bit shorthanded, obviously don't have Jalen Hurts.
1:44So we can, it just, me and you can just kind of go through what the reporting was for the injuries.
1:50Um, and we'll start with, uh, Devontae Adams. So out six to 10 weeks is what I saw with the hamstring injury.
1:56I believe surgery, which is, which is rare for a hamstring injury.
2:00Um, not great for Devontae Adams. That's for sure.
2:02Yeah. I mean, the same game is still going on right now, but I mean, takeaway was pretty clear.
2:07It's Puka or bust in terms of, and that was the fear with Kanate Mumfield was that, you know, he might have value.
2:14And it was weird because obviously, you know, Puka got a questionable tag at the end of the week and was always going to be game time.
2:21And then Saturday came through. Okay. No, no, we're feeling a lot better about him.
2:25So with the receivers, I think it's very clear at this point, there is not a pivot.
2:30Whenever one receiver goes down, uh, it's a pivot to the tight ends predicting which tight end it will be is the great carousel of life today.
2:38It was Davis Allen day. Um, and we should have Terrence Ferguson back at some point, but I do want to caution people.
2:44Cause I know this will be something that people want to jump on.
2:48Um, the Rams have a week 11 by week.
2:50Terrence Ferguson can be added or can be activated from IR next week, technically, but they already went ahead and said that they're not going to do that.
2:58Um, he's not ready. So if you're ready to activate, that's not even close.
3:02So considering the week 11 by, there's a very good chance that it's not until week 12.
3:06So if you're looking at options, it is nothing but these tight ends that are active right now for the next couple of weeks.
3:13Yeah. And like, obviously you're going to start Kyron and you're probably going to start Blake Corum, but the biggest thing that
3:19I've noticed when like a big name receiver is out is the receiving work.
3:23A lot of times doesn't necessarily go to like the backup wide receiver.
3:27A lot of times it goes to the running back.
3:29Um, and that's not the case a hundred percent of the time.
3:33Obviously there are certain situations where this receiver does step up, but it seems like with the Rams, like you said, it's, it's puka or bust.
3:40And then from the receiver perspective, and then, yeah, you can play, um, Russian roulette with the tight ends, but like Higby
3:46was set up for a great start. And last I checked, he had like over one fantasy, like barely over one fantasy point.
3:52Um, and then for the Rams, it looks like it's going to be, it's going to be Kyron.
3:57Um, but, uh, there we go. We got Nathan in here.
4:01If we can get his devices connected anyways. Um, I was going to ask, so I want to get the doc's opinion
4:07on this, but with puka, he's got a pre hernia, which is scary.
4:10He pulled up lame with a calf injury, which is scary.
4:13He's still performing well. Like if you just look at his game logs, he is healthy and playing incredible.
4:19Are you, would you be willing to trade him for a haul or are you, are you just holding and you're not even going to bother?
4:26I'm holding. I mean, it's possible that you can trade for a haul, um, at this point trying to predict in terms
4:32of like, Hey, we're going to hedge against this injury.
4:35It could go this way. Yeah. We attack the injuries as we know of them right now, but unless you get the
4:41most significant haul ever, just stand pat where you are.
4:43There we go. All right. We got, we got the doc in here.
4:47There we go. New for all of us. Anyways, thank you for, thank you for joining us.
4:52Um, we were talking about Devante Adams. So real quick, what do we have on the hamstring injury for Devante Adams?
4:58Yeah, sorry. My late start, by the way, I was having some technical difficulties, but yeah, great to be here.
5:03And Devante Adams, he had a great three hamstring injury.
5:06So the interesting thing about it is that it actually attached at the knee part of the hamstring and it actually seems
5:12to be the less common injury to hamstring. So the return timeline is a little bit variable there, which is probably why
5:18they gave us that broad six to 10 week period of time.
5:21It doesn't sound like they need to reattach anything.
5:24And for that inside knee thing, there isn't really a surgical attachment procedure that needs to be done.
5:29That would not come out for the entire season.
5:31So basically they're just cleaning up the freight edges there and they're waiting for it to scar down, heal down, and then
5:37he should be able to come back. So with, um, it's seeming like they pulled off the wind today, keeping their playoffs, uh, kind of insight.
5:45I do think that he'll be back this season and he should be back near full strength, but it'll be in the,
5:51in the end of the regular season. So might not be really worth keeping on for fantasy purposes.
5:56If you have another player that you're looking at targeting.
5:59Got it. And let's say you're able to stash him on your IR when he returns production should be the same.
6:04So he should be back in your lineups. Yeah.
6:07I think that they'll take it back. They'll take it back until he's pretty much able to return back near full strength.
6:13One, I would anticipate just a one week ramp up, but that one week ramp up is kind of arbitrary.
6:18If he's playing really well within that first quarter, they're not going to limit him.
6:23They might start off by saying he'll be on a snap count, but once they feel comfortable with it, that's that imaginary snap counts in a disappear.
6:30Got it. Okay. Got it. That makes sense. And then the next one that we had is, uh, Aaron Jones senior left early with a knee injury.
6:38So he, I mean, he'd been fantastic with, with, uh, Jordan Mason down.
6:41Now he's down with Jordan Mason's back up. So what do we have on, uh, Aaron, Aaron Jones senior?
6:46Yes. And he had that NCL sprain a little bit earlier in the season.
6:50And I think the staff said that he re aggravated that injury.
6:54I, I talk a lot about NCL sprains. They have really good recovery rates.
6:58I'm sure Dr. Shonan talked about that as well.
7:00So it's something that shouldn't hold them out for a long period of time.
7:04I know we've seen other players like Jackson dark get thrown off at the season, but he had an associated meniscus injury with it.
7:11Usually MCL sprains are like a one to three week absence.
7:14And in rare cases, they don't need to miss any time at all.
7:17So we just kind of have to see how they decide to grade this, but usually they're grade one.
7:23Usually it's about a one to two week absence.
7:25Okay. So assuming we don't have them next week, the Vikings are obviously passed their by, so we'll have Jordan Mason.
7:31And, um, Tara, as it wheels up on Jordan Mason, you had a good game this week.
7:36I'm not sure who their matchup is next week, but I've always liked Jordan Mason.
7:40So is he in your lineups next week? Yeah.
7:42100%. Um, regardless of matchup or anything like that, you lean towards it, go into Detroit that they have Detroit.
7:48Yep. I just looked that up. Yeah. Um, which Hey, you know, can be, can be tricky, but at the end of
7:54the day, we know it's going to be volume on top of volume because we saw enough ample evidence while he was
8:00out and Jordan and, uh, Aaron Jones got all the volume in the world.
8:04That it's just going to be the Jordan Mason show.
8:07Yeah. Cause they don't seem to trust the rookie.
8:09I forget, I forget the guy's name, but the rookie they had, uh, they don't seem to quite trust him yet.
8:15Cause yeah. DeMond Claiborne. Yeah, exactly. Claiborne. Yeah. Cause I, I picked him up as a flyer when, uh, Mason went down, but yeah, there is.
8:22He didn't trust him yet. So anyways, the next one, another running back here, Tyrone Tracy Jr.
8:27I believe that was a hamstring injury. Scott came back to life.
8:30Singletary had a good game. So what's the prognosis on Tyrone Tracy?
8:33The good thing is I think they have a buy next week, correct?
8:37That's correct. Yep. So that's perfect. I think both we can tackle both scat and Tracy, the same one, because they both came down hamstring issues.
8:44Oh, that's right. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Tracy ended up leaving the game, not returning.
8:48I would say that he had an actual grade one hamstring strain.
8:52We'll see if they image it and they call it a higher grade, but minimum, it sounds like he has a great one strain.
8:58Usually those are about one to three week absence.
9:01So I would expect him to be at risk for missing the week after the buy.
9:05Scataboo said that he felt his like tighten up and we didn't really get more clarity on it.
9:10So optimistically it could just be tightness, which basically means like a little bit of a spasm without an actual acute strain or injuries in the hamstring.
9:18So he could potentially miss no time at all.
9:20And I'll be a little bit more leaning on the side of optimism that he's able to return back after the buy.
9:26So we went from like having a four headed monster for the giants for two weeks from now, it could just be Devin Singletary by himself.
9:34We'll see. But they're on a buy next week.
9:36So I don't want to spend too much time on that.
9:39I'm sure we'll get some questions about it. So we could just move on to the next one.
9:44Cole Komet, I don't know, like, you know, out for the season, not a huge fantasy guy, but really important for the bears.
9:50Should we see him healthy week one next year?
9:53Yeah, it seemed like they didn't release what ligament was injured, but you saw him land kind of awkwardly on an almost
9:59extended leg, buckled, and they said it buckled. And then he took that need to be collision.
10:04That would typically be an ACL mechanism, especially when they're saying that they're already ruling him out for the season.
10:09But he's got plenty of time to recover fantasy wise.
10:12I do think that bodes well for Loveland. It's kind of coinciding with his finally breaking out fantasy wise and being out
10:18just means that there's more targets that will go to Loveland, but no issues with him.
10:23Week one next season, in my opinion. Okay, good to know.
10:26Yeah. And like I see, he's not much on our fantasy radar, but important player for the bears.
10:31So yeah, I mean, Loveland, that game was on Thursday.
10:33So we won't talk about him a ton today, but two good games in a row for Loveland.
10:38Is he back in the trust tree, Tara? Yeah.
10:41Yes. Ish. I mean, there are multiple pass catchers there and it can always be a, the only one I feel super good about is Luther Burden.
10:48But I think Colson is Colson Loveland is still back somewhat ish in the circle of trust.
10:53We'll get there. Yeah. I agree with you on everything you said.
10:56So no notes there. And then, so we have Monday night football, Saquon questionable, Devante Smith, take weeks out.
11:02So we'll go ahead and start with, with, with Saquon.
11:04I think you've got three limited practices this week.
11:07So what do you have for us on, on Saquon?
11:10Yeah. Insiders have kind of been a little bit less reliable this season.
11:13So they do seem to be projecting that he's playing tomorrow, but I'm kind of putting a little bit less prevalence on that nowadays.
11:20But the fact that like you said, he had a bunch of limited practices this week.
11:24He's not a player who has missed a lot of time recently in his career.
11:29He's had an adequate amount of time to rest a hamstring.
11:32And honestly, they don't really have that many other playmakers in that offense right now.
11:36They sure don't. They kind of have to put him out there.
11:39But Devante Smith, it's kind of funny that you were talking about the burden there because someone even put in my comments
11:45that they're like, oh, should I take this risky maneuver and trade Devante Smith for Luther Burton?
11:50I was like, I don't think that's risky at all.
11:53I think that's, that's honestly like one of the, I was like, I think it's risky for the guy trading you.
11:58Yeah. Risky the other way. But yeah, with Smith, I'm, I'm really concerned that he's going to go on IR.
12:04People were talking about him being shut down for the season.
12:07I think that's a little bit of hyperbole because as we've seen it with Devante Adams, who literally tore his hamstring off
12:13the bone, he's still not a risk for being ruled out for the season.
12:17So I find it out of the realm of probability for at least a hamstring that Devante Smith is going to be shut down for the season.
12:25That seems to be just some re-aggravation. I would say it's about a four to six week recovery in that, in that range.
12:31And if they do shut him down, I don't think it's the injury so much as maybe they're just, you know, lost season.
12:37Yeah. The, the, um, I'm glad you brought that up, the shutting down because that was never reported.
12:42It was never brought up by Nick Sirianni. He was asked, do you guys consider shutting him down for the season?
12:48And it was, and then he answered the question.
12:51So I think, um, someone was trying to kind of get a gauge and maybe he was trying to write an article about that is my assumption.
12:58Cause it was never reported anywhere. And I think someone just wanted to like ask the question and then, so they could, they could get it down.
13:06Um, so I'm glad you brought that up and then less important, but Tay Wicks, I know he, he had an ankle injury last week.
13:12He did have returning in the game, obviously didn't practice an out for this game.
13:17Uh, you have anything just kind of moving forward on Tay Wicks?
13:20Not too much there. Uh, it seems like he was just a little bit too banged up to, I believe they held him out of this game.
13:27Correct. Yeah. I think he was just a little bit too banged up to get out there this week, but nothing that
13:34I would anticipate holds him out long-term. There hasn't been any language of ankle and I didn't actually see the film of the injury.
13:40So I can't comment on whether it was an eversion or inversion sprain, but assuming it was an inversion sprain, I have really no concerns about it.
13:48If indeed it was the ankle turning outwards, meaning towards that little pinky toe, then that would raise my alarm bells.
13:53I was the same mechanism that shriveling had that Lamar Jackson had.
13:57We've kind of seen how they've missed the same period of time.
14:00So it's a really big deal on whether the ankle twists inwards or outwards based on severity.
14:05Yeah. And he, like I said, he returned to the game last week.
14:08So I'm guessing it's not going to keep him out for too long.
14:12And Tara, my question for you. So with everybody out for the Eagles, even if you get Saquon back, the other pieces
14:18on the offense, like you're starting Saquon. If he's back, you're starting Goddard, presumably, but like, are you starting Darius Cooper?
14:24Are you starting Makai Lemon on if you need, like if you had Smith and you're, and you're scrambling?
14:29I would start Lemon. If you need to Cooper, I'm a little bit worried about because theoretically, and probably they don't need
14:35to shadow Dallas doesn't need to shadow, but theoretically that would be the Joey Porter junior matchup.
14:40And assuming he gets a higher snap count this week, that would not be fun for him.
14:45So it makes Cooper a little bit more risky.
14:47And maybe we get, maybe we get that shift towards Makai Lemon.
14:51Finally. Hopefully. I mean, the targets are there, but they're like these ridiculous screen passes.
14:55I, he looks good on film. He's getting open, but he's not getting the ball.
14:59It's, it's a weird thing going on there. Um, and then just a couple of quick hitters that we have here.
15:05So this happened at the very end, right before we hit record, uh, Jalen Waddle looked like chest shoulder arm.
15:10Would you, were you able to catch that and see what happened there?
15:14Yeah. Did they specify, did they specify the body part?
15:17Last I saw, they said shoulder. I saw the video though, but I was curious if they didn't know if they specify the body part anymore.
15:24I think they said arm. At least that's what sleeper is a report I got on sleeper said.
15:29So maybe nothing too specific. Okay. That's it. He seemed in a lot of pain.
15:33So I know some people were thinking about a shoulder dislocation.
15:36The way that he landed was like right on the chest and his arm was kind of bunched up underneath them.
15:42So it would be, it's just like not a typical way that you dislocate, uh, that you dislocate your shoulder with just direct pressure on the front.
15:49Cause it's really hard to dissipate it backwards. I would be thinking more of an AC joint sprain that we've seen with
15:55DJ more, where you take a direct hit to that clavicle.
15:58It irritates that just ligament that connects your clavicle to your shoulder blade.
16:02That's the most common injury in football, but with them saying arm, uh, then, you know, it's a little bit more up in the air.
16:09Like we like rotator cuff strain or just a labral irritation there.
16:12We really have to wait till they say a little bit more without any information.
16:16If I just saw that video in isolation though, I would say risk of an AC joint sprain is the number one concern in my mind.
16:24Got it. Yeah. Not like a long, long-term absence though.
16:26But could it like, like we've seen with DJ more, it could be a high re-injury risk.
16:31Is that right? It's more so that to DJ more, it's not that injury risk that's limiting him.
16:36It's that pain. Uh, the like AC joint sprain really limits the above shoulder pain tolerance.
16:41And when you're not able to lift your arms over your shoulder, then obviously as a wide receiver, you're not going to be able to play.
16:48So basically they're just not able to get pain under control.
16:51AC joint sprains are injuries that you can play through as long as it's not significant tearing.
16:56And they've said pretty much he's on the verge of returning multiple weeks.
16:59So to me, it just seems like a pain tolerance issue for DJ more, which is not, it doesn't have pain tolerance.
17:05It's just that that is a very painful injury.
17:08Sure. Yeah. Yeah. No, nobody's questions on anybody's pain tolerance or manhood here.
17:11Um, and then the, the last one, and this was, this was small, so you might not have anything, but chase Brown,
17:17I saw he got tackled kind of awkwardly. It looked to my, to my eye.
17:22Also what I saw the post say, like a hyper extension.
17:25He, he didn't get ruled out. He, I don't think he ended up like being checked out, but the running back split
17:31was a lot more 50 50 after that, where he had been dominating the snaps prior.
17:35So did you see that? And do you have anything on chase Brown?
17:39I heard about the offer tackle. If it was a hyper extension, then we'd be a little bit concerned about there's like
17:45this cartilage that lies on the back of the knee, like right here.
17:48Oh wow. There's like this cartilage right here that can get strained when your knee pops backwards.
17:53It's just called the post-seared castle. So with hyper extension injuries that cause a little bit of inflammation there, you can also get a bone bruise.
18:00I would just be up in the air about it because chase Brown has kind of been lackluster and been splitting carries pretty, pretty decently already.
18:08So without any kind of confirmed injury report, I would just kind of chalk it up to gameplay and game flow.
18:13But yeah, if they come out with a limited report and it's very limited info, I would go off that hyper extension
18:19that you reported and say that there's a risk of having a bone bruise there or posterior capsule orientation.
18:25And that would be about a one to three week absence in most cases, kind of minimally.
18:29Okay. Got it. So we'll just have to monitor the injury reports and then kind of go from there.
18:35Cool. Well, we appreciate you for, for joining us.
18:37We'll, we'll send Nathan on his way here. And then Tara and I are going to talk storylines.
18:42We're going to talk panic meter. We're going to answer some questions at the end, but first we have a quick video
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20:59Before we do real quick, the buys that we have next week, there are four of them.
21:04Saints, Giants, Texans, and 49ers. But in terms of storylines, the first one I want to talk about, and that's why I
21:10was kind of moving us quickly back or past Chase Brown and the Bengals, because there's a couple, I mean, there's a
21:16lot to talk about with the Bengals. A, Joe Burrow and the Bengals might be back.
21:20We see this all the time. They're a second half team.
21:23But Chase Brown, we got some question marks. He's only gotten two games this year with double digit fantasy points for Chase Brown.
21:30Samadji Piran got the goal line touchdown. Maybe Brown was banged up and it would have gone to him.
21:35But then we see T. Higgins, six receptions, 148 yards and a touchdown all in the second half.
21:40Five receptions, 62 yards and a touchdown for Jamar.
21:42And then Burrow, almost 300 yards, four touchdowns. So a lot to talk about here.
21:46And I don't even know where to start. So I'll just kind of let you let you go where you ever want to go regarding the Bengals.
21:54Yeah, let's start off at the sad part, Chase Brown.
21:57It's an interesting one because while you don't necessarily want to sell low on a guy, oddly enough, he does still retain
22:03more value than at this point I think he should.
22:06Because people still view him as I get a lot of trade questions of people trying to trade for Chase Brown.
22:11And I've been very hesitant on that one because there are a lot of guys that are in that range that are
22:17a little bit lower than him that I think, you know, there might be a little bit more volatile, but offer a
22:24higher ceiling like a Bucky Irving, right? Would be theoretically below Chase Brown in terms of value.
22:28But we know that in the right game script, the right matchup, he can hit that ceiling.
22:33And with Chase Brown, it seems to not really matter what the matchup is.
22:37He's just struggling. We have this continued usage of Pirine.
22:40He was in the series and they got to the goal line where they got to the goal line.
22:45They kept him in. He got the touchdown. So if we're not getting that preferential treatment, we know that touchdowns are already
22:51a little bit scant for Chase Brown because of the fact that they go so aggressively through the air.
22:56I get very worried about him overall. So there's still some a little bit of appeal there because he plays for the
23:02Bengals in the past catching upside that you might be able to trade and get out of it.
23:07But if you were thinking about that one as a buy low, I got a bad feeling that this is just something
23:13that we are going to continue to see from him.
23:16Yeah, I go back and forth because I love Chase Brown.
23:19And the last like last year and the year before he was so much better in the second half.
23:25Now you had a lot clearer reasons for that the last two years, like two years ago, he was splitting time with
23:31Zach Moss at the beginning of the year. It's like funny to think about that in hindsight.
23:35And then last year, Burrow went down. They had Jake Browning for a while and then they got Flacco.
23:41And then guess what? Chase Brown was fantastic again.
23:43And then Burrow came back. So this year it's been weird.
23:46He's been he's been inefficient. He's losing snaps to Pirine.
23:49I still and maybe this is just me not wanting to let go of my priors view him as a as a
23:55buy for because Pirine is not like a 22 year old rookie running back who's like got explosion.
24:00You know what I mean? He's 31 years old.
24:03He's he's a vet. He's not bad, but he's not somebody that I'm super scared of.
24:07Like with Bucky Irving, like when he was a rookie, he was like, oh, wow, like we actually can't take this guy off the field.
24:14He immediately pops. I'm like to me, that's not Pirine.
24:17Now the snap count heading into the bye week was concerning.
24:20It seemed to fix itself until maybe he got banged up.
24:23So the drive where Pirine got the goal line, that was after the fact that that Brown got banged up so you could go both ways.
24:30You could say, well, that was a split that it was before the bye, or you could say it was the injury.
24:36So just reach out to the chase Brown manager and see if you are interested, but or if you're like Tara and
24:42you're not interested that you just you just wipe your hands clean and say and say not for me.
24:47But in terms of the other guys, like obviously nobody was benching Jamar or T Higgins or Burrow, but I think we
24:53can now confidently put them in our lineup and think like, OK, we're going to see some high flying Bengals offense because
25:00they did literally everything in the second half. Yeah, it's funny.
25:03It was looking a little shaky to begin there, but they eventually wore down that Baltimore defense who and you know, hey,
25:09on the opposite side of that, Tyler Huntley fought very valiantly.
25:12We finally saw that massive game from Zay Flowers with Huntley.
25:15So, you know, on the opposite side, there's positive takeaways as well.
25:18Yeah, Flowers is just an absolute animal. I mean, that guy's that guy's insane.
25:22But we can move on to the next one.
25:25So JJ McCarthy, are we buying it? He didn't throw a touchdown, but 252 yards went against the Texans.
25:30They put up 31 points. I believe neighbors had a good game.
25:33Seven receptions, 111 yards. Scat, we talked about, had a good game.
25:36Likely not so much, but you're OK with that for kind of a tight end like that.
25:41But are you in? Are you buying this this double nine resurgence for the Giants?
25:45Not in a way that I would trust him in any way, shape or form in a lineup.
25:50I mean, you can theoretically because of the rushing upside.
25:53But as we saw, you know, today, that can be that can come and go.
25:57It's not as reliable as, you know, our Josh Allen's or Lamar Jackson's in terms of consistent upside.
26:02But what I am buying, well, I'm not buying into JJ McCarthy from a fantasy perspective.
26:07I am buying into, I don't really care who's a quarterback with Malik neighbors.
26:11It's perfectly fine. Like I know because a lot of people were a little bit worried in terms of like, hey, what is no one was benching him.
26:18But there were a lot of people maybe like in 10 team leagues that had a bunch of high end options and some in good matchups.
26:25And they were putting him in like, you know, start sets.
26:29And no matter what, we're expecting volume on top of volume.
26:32And it's a very narrow target funnel. And it was good to see finally, you know, there was a little bit last week.
26:38But, you know, maybe JJ also brings along a little bit of upside for Malachi Fields.
26:42Sure. Well, maybe that helps as well. And but regardless, that's a very tight target funnel.
26:47You're not spreading it around to guys like Darnell Mooney.
26:50So we feel very positive about these pass catchers in general.
26:53And maybe we can get a little bit of Malachi Fields moving forward.
26:56Yeah, sure. I mean, I'll admit that I was terrified of of neighbors with with nine coming in.
27:01I was getting JJ or Justin Jefferson flashbacks. I was like, we've got a really good LSU wide receiver.
27:06His quarterbacks JJ McCarthy, but he did a lot in the fourth quarter last week.
27:11And then he did a lot against the Texans.
27:13Now the Texas defense, like I think every week I keep expecting to bounce back and they and they have another two and five.
27:20Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of with you.
27:23I'm not buying nine, but sure. I mean, the league neighbors is, is that good.
27:27Uh, the only really one is like, is there any concern for Isaiah likely or just one of those games?
27:32I need to see one more, but we've got to buy a week, so we're not going to see it, but I
27:38would need to see one more down game with, uh, JJ McCarthy to really say for sure.
27:43Like this was a bad switch and he's hyper-focused in on neighbors.
27:46Sure. Okay. All right. Next one. Another, are we buying segment?
27:49Uh, the Browns six receptions, 91 yards, Harold Fannin jr.
27:52Eight receptions, 129 yards for Casey Concepcion. Judkins, two touchdowns, the five and two Browns come back victory against the Titans.
27:58Denzel Boston quiet game, but he had a targets.
28:01So you like that. Um, I feel like everybody on the Browns, like the receiving core in, in Fannin's had a tough
28:07year, but the receivers have been good. Just had like a stink over them because of the quarterback play, but it's been better.
28:13Are, are we buying it? Or if we have those players, are we selling them?
28:17Uh, well, we got to remember it was a matchup against Tennessee.
28:20So that does benefit us, um, from that extent.
28:23So we got to be careful about those matchups.
28:25We've got a one coming against Pittsburgh next week.
28:28That's going to be a little bit more difficult.
28:30Um, and we've seen that one before. Deshaun did, he had volume, but I wouldn't say it was a good performance from
28:37him, but yeah, it's funny that we, you know, just rolling through the list.
28:40Ironically, everyone benched Harold Fannin Jr. And was rolling off.
28:43And now we finally have that breakthrough. It's the inconsistency for Deshaun.
28:47You, you can't completely move on from Fannin because he's a starter.
28:50We know the talent. It's just that every now and then, you know, we've got that volatility from Watson in terms of
28:56overall volume, finally getting that breakout game for Casey Concepcion.
28:59Um, and you write the targets there for Boston.
29:01So we still have hope this, this is what we want to see for the back half of the season.
29:07So if anyone has any wavering thoughts around, um, or had, you don't have them now around Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston
29:13rookies, talented early round rookies back half of the season on a team with a sketchy quarterback situation as the season wears
29:19on, they just get better and become more reliable from a fantasy perspective.
29:23So these are guys that you, you want on your team.
29:26You want to be able to turn to them as you hit the playoff run and have these high upside talented rookies.
29:32Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. I mean, you, you always see rookies get better the second half of the year.
29:37The really only concern here is that it's like a decent, like it's kind of funny to think about, but it's a decent target funnel.
29:44Like you have those three guys, like Jerry Judy kind of pops off randomly.
29:48Uh, Dylan Sampson can, can get loose in the receiving game.
29:51So it's sneakily like a decent amount of targets for an offense that we don't necessarily trust.
29:56So I think you're going to have games like with Denzel Boston, where you look up and he had like the team
30:02played well and he barely did anything from a fantasy perspective.
30:05But, um, yeah, you're definitely not. I mean, if you could sell high, sure.
30:09If you can get something big, but I don't think anybody's going that crazy for them.
30:13Uh, I think the only one that is maybe Judkins, maybe like a running back that scores two touchdowns.
30:19Maybe you could, you could look at like, if, if, if your team's in a good spot, look at like who's on
30:25a bi-week and see if you can get, I mean, guess, I mean, not going to get Christian McCaffrey and it's a
30:31tough week, tough bi-week for running backs. So maybe not, but that's kind of what I would be looking to do with Judkins regardless.
30:37With me with Judkins. So when we were talking about Chase Brown and his price tag being hefty, instead of like, for
30:43me, instead of overpaying for a Chase Brown, Judkins is cheap.
30:46People are like, it's, it's, he is one of the cheapest lead backs that you can get on the market.
30:52And as we know that, you know, the Browns are not great, but they're just decent enough to make sure that these
30:58are not blowout scenarios and they stay competitive in games.
31:01And as long as they're staying competitive, there's plenty of work on the ground.
31:05And because Deshaun's not lighting it up through the air, they stay extremely balanced.
31:09So you don't see the run being abandoned as it was last year when we had a lot of those rough spots
31:15for Judkins where they were just scripted out, unfortunately.
31:17So I, even though, and it was good actually, because it should actually lower his value as well, because we had Simpson
31:23come back and Samson gave a nice, good performance.
31:26He took some of those receptions as well. So people might think that they're selling super high on Judkins, but if you're
31:32in need of a cheap way to get an RB one, that's a low value one that you can sneak in there
31:38and get for not pennies, but maybe something like just some nickels, right?
31:42Yeah. You're probably right. And I can see your argument where it's like, why change for Chase, like, why should we go out for Chase Brown?
31:49And we have quinched on Judkins at home. It's like, it's like, they're kind of putting up similar numbers.
31:54All right. The next one that we have, I want to talk about the Panthers because maybe I was too high on
32:00them, but in all my leagues, I was looking to trade for Chuba and Jalen Coker.
32:05Cause I just felt like the market didn't value them as, as much as they should through one week.
32:10That's a big fat L for me. I did get Chuba in a league, but he didn't have a terrible game.
32:16Like he had eight half PPR points, so he didn't kill you.
32:19But then Coker, one reception, eight yards, Tet, four receptions, 40 yards.
32:22They lost like their best offensive lineman. Like that game just got out of hand really fast.
32:27And maybe it was just like a, you ran into a bus saw, even though you're at home, that happens.
32:33Is there any concern for you on those guys on the Panthers?
32:36No, the only concern would be they had offensive lineman Taylor Martin go down.
32:40That is, that could be critical, right? That's a big deal.
32:43Um, but I think, I mean, I was along with you with the thought process of buying on Chuba.
32:48This was just, unfortunately a defense that is underrated and has, you know, I thought there might be some hope for Coker
32:54to come through as we've seen, like with, you know, CD lamb, I think he got slightly injured in that game, but he played over 50% of snaps.
33:02So CD lamb was kind of shut down in this game.
33:05And then I think Christian Watson was shut down in this game against Tampa as well.
33:09So I was like, okay, might be a down game for Tet, but we can have one of those secondary options, which is only, um, Jalen Coker.
33:17It turns out it was, um, you know, Darren Waller, one of those secondary options come up and have a good performance.
33:23So I wouldn't panic. Tampa is a defense that can shut you down and Baker Mayfield coming back.
33:28Maybe that just accelerated things to where, yeah, okay.
33:31We're, we're having this offense run a bit more smoothly.
33:33We're not leaning on the pass. We're handing the ball off to Bucky, and we're not trying to win it at all through the air.
33:40We don't have to do anything fancy, just somebody that can manage the game properly.
33:44It might've just worked out from that perspective. It was just a, um, bad matchup defensively for, uh, Carolina.
33:50So I wouldn't panic. He's still a clear RB one.
33:52Maybe it's a buy low opportunity. Cause he's a clear RB one who was competing with him at that backfield.
33:58No, not, not HN, not Trevor HN junior, HN junior.
34:01Did he change his name too? No, I'm just kidding.
34:04Yeah. Yeah. Good question. Um, yeah, I also thought Coker was going to have, I like looked into that one a ton.
34:10Like the, the bucks play zone coverage at like the six highest rate and Jalen Coker.
34:14If you look at like his yards and targets per route run, it's like JSN is the only receiver in say flowers better than him against zone.
34:22And it just obviously didn't work out, but weird game fumble recovery.
34:25Some, some, like you got flashbacks of the rookie year, um, Bryce young, but yeah, I think you kind of teams have
34:31those, you flush it and you move on. Which we can do with the last one.
34:35So the last one I want to talk about here is the jets and it's Omar Cooper jr versus Garrett Wilson.
34:41So Omar Cooper jr got hurt. He was on IR.
34:44He missed some time returned last week. And the only thing that he's done in the last two weeks is 2019.3 PPR points.
34:50He put up five receptions for 115 yards and a touchdown today, last week, six receptions, 103 yards and a touchdown.
34:56And those same two games, we saw 6.4, 3.6 half PPR points for Wilson.
35:00So are you selling high on Omar Cooper jr?
35:03Are you buying low on Garrett Wilson? Or are you just saying, I don't want anything to do with a Gino Smith in this jets offense?
35:10Well, next week is Gino's revenge game. So might be on board for that one.
35:14Um, but Vegas is a good matchup. So if to that extent, I would be starting Omar Cooper jr and I would
35:20be starting Garrett Wilson, even though we've got this downturn, I don't know.
35:24I don't think I would, I don't think I would sell if you can sell high on Cooper.
35:29Yeah. But again, while the reports, maybe the reports during camp were just dramatic because they were saying that he was performing
35:35poorly and he was second team and we never got a chance to actually see that on the field because he got injured so early.
35:42So we don't know if all of that really was just an over-exaggeration.
35:45And this is somebody who is, um, going to have this significant role moving forward in an offense that seems to be
35:51well-balanced pushes good volume and the right matchups. Right.
35:54And we've got a good matchup next week. So if you want to look at it and potentially sell high, but I
36:00also think you can just ride it out with that one and try to maybe take advantage of it.
36:05Yeah. And I think you could probably buy Garrett Wilson.
36:08I think somebody is probably like they see Gino as their quarterback.
36:11Yeah. I, the Omar Cooper thing was, was crazy because he, you didn't get it.
36:15You, from my memory, you didn't hear anything about him in the off season.
36:19It was like a first round receiver who like was completely silent and then he was on IR.
36:24So like, I was ready to just think it was like a lost year for the rookie.
36:29I loved Adonai Mitchell and what we'd been seeing from him before his finger injury.
36:33So it's interesting. It's not an offense that we'd love, but, um, it's two receivers that could give you some value over the course of a season.
36:41And I feel like those receivers on the gross offenses might have some value.
36:44So yeah, I, I, I think it's worth, um, checking in and seeing.
36:48But so the next thing that we're going to talk about here is the, we're going to do a panic meter.
36:54But before we do that, I want to talk to you guys about the waiver planner.
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37:21That's fantasy pros.com slash plan. Now we have the panic meter.
37:24So get your player names in the chat. We want to know who you want to know.
37:29We want to know who you guys want to know if we're panning, panicking about them or not scale of one to 10.
37:35One means we're not panicking at all. 10. You're in full blown panic mode.
37:39And while we're waiting for you guys to comment, I put some names in the chat here that we can just go through quickly.
37:46A lot of these guys we've talked about, so we don't need to spend too much time, but Chase Brown, we panic.
37:52Like what's your panic meter on Chase Brown? Yeah, it's a seven.
37:55I'm at it. I'm not to the point where I meant, but I don't, I would want to sell it off.
38:01Unfortunately. Okay. I think again, maybe we're just confirming.
38:04I'm just confirming priors here, but I I'm still willing to buy.
38:07I'll put mine at a four. Yeah. Jalen Warren.
38:10I, this game was so early. I feel like the international games, they might as well be six weeks ago, but to my knowledge, he was fantastic.
38:17If that's my memory from 18 J Mac here.
38:20So panic meter on Jalen Warren. I'm, I'm, I'm guessing it's with Rico back and Rico playing well, but I'm out of one.
38:26I, I, I, Jalen Warren's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I think it's just the Rico thing.
38:30Cause Rico did get a lot of burn. Mike McCarthy is, you know, no, it was a lot of touches to be fair.
38:37Um, I would not panic whatsoever. They're a well balanced team, lower scoring than I expected, but those are international games.
38:43So it is what it is. Yeah. And he is just, I mean, he's amazing.
38:47Uh, it's, it's like, how did the Steelers hide this guy for so long?
38:51Um, all right. Nico Collins. He was actually somebody that I wrote down from Axel Gonzalez two bad weeks in a row.
38:57Um, where's your panic meter on Nico Collins? It's at a three.
39:00I don't think that it's not as if anybody else went off.
39:03It was like one of those quintessential. Yay. Marvin Harrison Jr.
39:06Got a touchdown. What else was there? Um, Jay, Noel got hurt.
39:10Tank Dell came back, got a catch. Technically speaking, that was not his catch.
39:14Um, I can't wait to see what the, um, snap count was for everybody just to really kind of get my, um, wrap my head around it.
39:21But we're still holding faith with Nico Collins. So I, he could be an interesting bilo candidate because I know a lot of people are definitely concerned there.
39:29So it's more like a three, maybe a four for me at the end of the day.
39:34He's still the wide receiver one there. He, I'm a, I'm a hundred percent agreement.
39:38He's a two for me. He's, he's the alpha.
39:40I actually think he's a fantastic by candidate if you can afford it, because he has the buy next week.
39:46So, um, whoever has him, he just witnessed him having two down games and now he's on a buy.
39:51Maybe they lost two games in a row. I think you could probably swing a trade for Nico Collins.
39:56Now is the perfect time to move on here.
39:59So the last we're going to do is a Q and a, but before we do that, um, if you want a
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40:44Don't miss your chance to claim your prize. And now we will answer some questions.
40:48So I already, we got, we got some throughout the stream that we're going to answer, but we have about 10 minutes here before Sunday night football starts.
40:56So get your questions in, uh, the first one that I want to answer and we have Tara back.
41:01That's good. Um, so we got a super chat from BCB MLB 58.
41:04So thank you for that. We appreciate it. Um, so I want to spend some time on this one.
41:10What should I get for Jefferson? Obviously I'm guessing it's Justin Jefferson.
41:13My starting lineup this week, 12, my starting lineup this week, 12 team PPR running backs are Swift Dobbins wide receivers, Puka
41:19Jefferson, Bernard craft is your tight end. And you got shock.
41:22Your bench is Lamar, um, Jonah Coleman, lad McConkie, Emmett Johnson and Dallas Goddard.
41:26So when you're looking to trade Justin Jefferson, what would you be looking for?
41:30Obviously he's a huge name, got quarterback issues, but he's still Justin Jefferson.
41:33If you're trading somebody like him, what would you be looking to get?
41:37So if you were going to do a positional one for one flip, let's say, but I'm guessing you're wanting to go running backs on this one.
41:45But if you were going to do like a one for one flip for a wide receiver, I would try to go
41:51down to like a Christian Watson or Parker Washington.
41:53But if you are looking to do a running back to kind of reinforce your team, I mean, honestly, I know it's not going to be appealing.
42:01You might need to add something in because, um, value wise, it's kind of a little bit tilted, but Bucky Irving is
42:07an interesting one for me for the ceiling that he offers.
42:10Um, perhaps you could see if you could get an Ashton Gentry.
42:13Um, and that's when it's actually probably realistic because people seem to have an issue with Ashton Gentry because of the upside
42:19on the ground being a little bit limited because of the offensive line and whatnot.
42:23But the pass catching remains there. It's not volatile.
42:26It gives him a safe floor. So I could lean that direction as well.
42:30Yeah. I, um, I like your thought on Ashton Gentry.
42:33He did have a receiving touchdown. So we had a good game.
42:36I actually, and you can tell me if I'm crazy.
42:39What about Chuba? Um, I actually have Chuba higher in my rest of season rankings than Justin Jefferson.
42:44I think the person who has Chuba obviously is loving life because he's been fantastic, but I feel like nobody was ever
42:50really going to believe that it was real. Cause it's not like we know what Chuba is.
42:54He's been in the league forever. This Panthers offense, um, like this year, aside from yesterday, or this today has been fantastic, but we have two years evidence.
43:02So maybe people were thought that they were going to come back down.
43:06Um, so I don't think that's crazy. You could probably, even though I have Chuba higher in my rankings, you could probably ask for something else.
43:13So it's like Jefferson for Chuba plus, like maybe you add in, like you send Emmitt Johnson to the, um, to the, to the Kenneth Walker manager.
43:20Obviously they have to have the same players, but something like that.
43:24That's what I'd be looking to do where like, according to my rankings, you're actually upgrading, but because of the name value,
43:30you could probably ask for something back. So that's kind of what I, what, what I think.
43:35Um, so another question here and started off hot, but, um, should we drop?
43:38Should he, this person, he, she drop Juwan Johnson by week.
43:42So, uh, I think two gooses in a row, if I remember correctly.
43:45Yeah, I just, I don't know why it's happening.
43:48I won't say I love him. So I won't say he's washed, but it's time to move on if you need to,
43:54because now we can't feel comfortable on our starting lineup.
43:56And realistically it's possible that after week eight, we do have during Tyson back.
44:00So, and that would throw a little wrench into everything.
44:03And we're getting more Bryce Lance as well. And so, um, yeah, it's, it's just a mess.
44:08So he, you definitely don't have to hold him.
44:10It obviously depends on who's your tight end and with tight ends are on waivers, but I mean, he, he, so he
44:16goose last week, this week, he gave you 1.2 fantasy points, one reception for seven yards.
44:21So thank you for that. And the week before he gave you two, uh, four receptions for 16 yards and a nice 3.6 half PPR points.
44:28So yeah, you, you can drop him again. It just, it just depends on who's available.
44:32Um, so another question here that I thought we did talk about him, but I think we can, we can answer this one from 18 J Mac.
44:40So Casey conception breakout game and can it continue?
44:42Yeah. Yeah. Again, you know, short on that one, 100% back half of the rookie season, especially in PPR.
44:48That's where we're going to see the money for him.
44:51Yeah. I don't think necessarily. And I don't, I know you're not saying this, but don't expect, um, what was the stat line?
44:57I think I, I definitely can continue. Um, another interesting one.
45:00And I, I have my thoughts on charbs, but we'll let, I'll let you go.
45:04So the question from dark side wrestle Charbonnet was dropped in on waivers this week.
45:08What fab would you bid to try and get them?
45:11I would bid 5%. This is a perma committee.
45:14You're going to lose. Probably someone's going to drop more fab.
45:17I don't know that I want to blow like maybe 10%, but blow all your fab on that.
45:22When you know that price is going to be back soon as well.
45:25Manuel Wilson still exists. Jadarion price. We have no idea if they decide to run for deep.
45:30Like I just, I don't feel super comfortable. And the fact that they have pushed it this far and he's not active
45:36again, that was a super quick turnaround. So I'm not even sure why they put like, why they had, I guess maybe
45:42they wanted a month of ramp up time in terms of practice to try and get them ready.
45:47But I assume it's going to be a slow ramp up because of the turnaround for this injury and that we're not
45:53going to have an aggressive workload put onto him.
45:56It's still going to be a committee. Okay. I'm in total agreement.
45:59I thought, cause I have, there was some charges believe or charges truthers out there that I didn't know those people existed.
46:05If, if they're doing a committee with Kenneth Walker on the team, they're going to continue to do a committee.
46:11And we like charbs is a totally fine short yardage back, but he was already not super explosive.
46:16And now he's coming off of a torn ACL.
46:18Um, I would let somebody else, I mean, sure.
46:21Put 5% on him and then try to trade him.
46:23I would let somebody else deal with that landmine.
46:26Cause I think he's a running back. I just don't necessarily think that there's anybody that you can, that he's anybody that you're going to want to start.
46:34Yeah. So, all right. We got one here from J red at nine, seven, nine, nine.
46:38My RBs and PPR are Mondra Stevenson, Irving and Pollard.
46:41Should I trade one or hold all? I still don't know which two to start each week.
46:45Yeah. That is frustrating. Um, I mean, absurd performance from Tony Pollard, but if these are your, I'm guessing, I don't know
46:52if like they're your only three running backs or if they're like, you have to weekly decide between two of them, but
46:58regardless, what are you doing with those three? I mean, technically speaking, no matter who you started, you had a great week,
47:04but, um, yeah, long-term I feel I, I want to keep Bucky.
47:07I've sucked. Like God, I've been pro. I was not pro Bucky heading into the season.
47:12So, but just based off everything we're seeing, I would want to keep Bucky because you know, the upside and matchups that
47:18are advantageous is just way too high. And then between Stevenson and Pollard, you're going to have to, that gives you the option.
47:24I know it's like, you know, you don't know who to start on a weekly basis, but that gives you the option to platoon based off matchup.
47:31So neither Stevenson or Pollard have super high value.
47:34You could trade Pollard and maybe try to do that.
47:37Um, that's the one that I would try. Stevenson is one of those that no one is ever really going to give
47:43you something, but because we had the injury to Spears and, uh, Singleton was out.
47:47And so it was just really like, okay, is this just going to be the Tony Pollard, um, aggressive show moving forward
47:53now that he has had a breakout game, you could make that argument, right?
47:57That maybe he just has an aggressive workload and succeeds moving forward.
48:00So try to sell that one, but otherwise you can just end up going back and forth there.
48:05Yeah. I'm probably trying to sell high on, on Pollard.
48:08I mean, he three touchdowns, 35 points here. I can promise you you're not getting that again this year, but I don't know.
48:14He randomly had crazy games at the end of last year.
48:17I think when everybody kind of had given up, so maybe you'll do it again, but I doubt it.
48:23And I would probably try to sell him. Um, the last question before we get on out here and you guys got
48:29to watch Sunday night football, um, from James, we got, we, um, he's asked if Barkley is playing tomorrow.
48:34So we had the doc on earlier reports are that he's going to play reports have been a little bit untrustworthy recently.
48:40So he's taking that with a grain of salt, but he is expecting him to play.
48:45He is not saying that it's a stone cold guarantee.
48:47And I believe, and also Deepak was pretty consistent on this as well.
48:51When Barkley is in his production shouldn't be like the re-injury risk is there, but the production should be fine.
48:57It's the sprained ankle where the production is a little bit iffy on return.
49:00Um, but that is all we got. So Sunday night football is starting any minute.
49:05I appreciate everybody for joining me. Um, thanks for spending time with us tonight.
49:08Uh, right after Sunday night football, you can join the fantasy dude on the tailgate YouTube channel, which can be found at tailgate NFL.
49:15You can hear takeaways from tonight's action, but hopefully we got a good game tonight.
49:19We got a revenge game from Kenneth Walker. So hopefully he has a good game.
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