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0:06Hello everybody, welcome into the tailgate. I'm Ryan Warmly, joined by Derek Brown and by Andrew Erickson.
0:11Reacting to all things Week 7 of this NFL season continues to fly by.
0:15D-Rope, you have a topic we're very excited to talk about.
0:18Besides that, how are you feeling here after Week 7?
0:21It was good guys. Up and down betting week, which has just been the norm unfortunately for this season because the NFL
0:27has been so freaking up and down and wacky.
0:30I feel like, guys, do you remember a time whenever we're walking into almost close to the halfway point of the season
0:36where it still feels like, okay, I know this and this and this about certain teams but there's so much that I
0:42don't know about any of these teams? It just feels like we have had such a topsy-turvy NFL season and when I
0:48feel like we've gotten to the way point, like the halfway point of an NFL season in most years, it's kind of
0:54like, oh, I've got a decent feel about lay of the landscape, player usage, how the teams are running and things like that.
1:012026 said, uh, no, no thank you. It feels very, very up in the air and every NFL season, it does feel weird in its own unique way.
1:08But this one does feel it's not even that it's weirder than other seasons.
1:12It's just that I feel like we know less than other seasons.
1:16I'm constantly surprised every week and don't feel like I have the best sense of what's to come in the second half
1:22of the season, which makes it quite exciting. Honestly, Erickson, how you feeling?
1:25I wish we saw more points in the lines of Packers game.
1:29I wish that Jameer Gibbs scored a touchdown and didn't let himself go down at the three-guard line.
1:34Luckily, he avoided any type of injury because this always happens to the players because they're not used to sliding and then
1:40they end up hurting themselves, which is always like a really big concern because nobody teaches these guys.
1:45They don't have the baseball coaches coming in like so long ago when they did with Mark Sanchez when they were trying
1:51to teach him to slide back in the day.
1:54They brought in players from the Yankees to help Mark Sanchez learn how to slide and he never really learned how to
2:00slide only knew how to do the classic butt fumble.
2:02But besides that, I mean, we saw a kicker miss a 26 yard field goal and then the corresponding move.
2:08The head coach of the other team went for it on his own 24 yard line.
2:13It was like Bill Belichick. Hold my beer. I'm Dan Campbell.
2:16I'm going to go for my own 24 yard line.
2:18They don't get it and they don't give up any points anyway.
2:22It's just crazy. But I mean, that's why we love it.
2:25Right again. The unpredictability of the NFL is why it's a must watch.
2:28Every Thursday, Sunday, Monday, and then as upcoming in the months of November, we're going to have football on Thursdays and Wednesdays
2:35and Fridays and every day of the week because it's going to be on all the time, especially during the holidays.
2:40So looking forward to that. Roger Goodell says we're going to a seven day a week schedule.
2:45We're going to play in every single country. I mean, we're going to Tokyo next year, boys.
2:50We're going to have games in every single country.
2:52Soccer stadiums, rugby stadiums. We're actually going to play.
2:55We're possibly going to have like in a dirt stadium.
2:58I mean, there is no limit to the NFL, baby.
3:01All the time. Every day. 24-7. It's going to be like tennis.
3:04You have different champions on different surfaces, like the grass champion, the clay champion.
3:08There's a clay core? There's a clay core team?
3:10Nobody wants to be the turf field champion. Nobody wants to play in the clay core.
3:15No. All right. Well, speaking of turf fields, let's get into the injury roundup here.
3:19We usually start the newsy notes with that. Not as robust an injury roundup.
3:23Actually, for the second straight week, there was a lot of them this week, but a lot of those players returned to their game.
3:30So it looks a little bit better than it could have if those guys didn't come back.
3:34Jalen Waddell left late in his game with, there was like a chest slash shoulder.
3:38I'm not sure exactly what it was. Cam Scadaboo went down on that long run in overtime with a hamstring.
3:44They said he should be okay. They have the bye.
3:47So that's good timing for them. But he did go down right before they won that game in overtime.
3:52Jalen Knoll, turf toe. That's no fun. We love Jalen Knoll on the show.
3:56Aaron Jones. They said he should be okay. He's day to day, but he did leave his game with a knee injury.
4:02Christian McCaffrey. He did come back in his game, but just because he's such a big name and has such a long
4:08injury history, I wanted to at least mention him.
4:11He left his game, did come back in that loss.
4:14And then the only other kind of report I had here injury related was that Lamar Jackson is likely to return in week eight against the Bills.
4:21He didn't play this week, but there was reporting during the game that the Ravens were surprised he wasn't playing and that
4:27the very, very strong expectation is that he will be the starter against the Bills in that one.
4:32So obviously that's a pretty seismic return for any NFL team, but particularly in a fun matchup with the Ravens and Bills.
4:38So that was the injury roundup I had. Debro, let me know if I missed anybody or where you want to start from those names.
4:45No, I mean, I think he hit everybody, but I will say there's a lot of like painted optimism with a lot of those injuries.
4:52Like Cam Scadaboo, we don't know if his hamstring is going to be better after a freaking week.
4:57Aaron Jones has an aggravation of a knee injury that he's been playing on one leg for the last few weeks.
5:03I don't know if this is truly day to day when the guy's been hobbling through all of it.
5:09So I will say there's a lot of media, not for you, Worm, but like, I think like how these are getting
5:15framed a lot of optimism and also do the Lamar Jackson stuff.
5:18He legit came out in the media and said, I am not a hundred percent.
5:22I cannot play the way that I want to play.
5:25That's why I'm not playing. And the team is like, sure.
5:28He'll be a hundred percent next week. No problem.
5:31And we'll get the fully healthy version of Lamar Jackson because Worm, you and I thought about this all, like during the off season.
5:37It's like when he's not fully healthy, that's not a great version of Lamar Jackson.
5:42Is that going to really be a good game versus the Ravens and Bills?
5:45I don't know. If he's healthy, it will be.
5:48But yeah, he needs to be healthy. But you can agree with me.
5:52He's not really truly fully healthy, correct? I would guess that's the case.
5:55I think it's possible that he was close this week.
5:58And the only reason he didn't play was because he does think trying to play through it, but not a hundred percent.
6:04It's speculation. We won't know until we see. We'll know very quickly when he's back on the field.
6:09If this is like last year where he's limited or if he's back to Lamar, that will be very obvious early, I think.
6:16But yeah, I mean, we, there's, we, you can't possibly know for sure right now.
6:20High ankle sprains last several weeks. They always do.
6:22Um, Erickson, what do you, what do you take away from this injury roundup this week?
6:27The one that I'm kind of intrigued the most by is probably the Giants back because Tyron Tracy also got hurt in
6:33that game, which is why Devin Singletary was the one that had the final dagger in his under the radar revenge game.
6:39Oh, that's a good call out. Game winning touchdown in overtime for the 10 and a half point underdog Giants to beat
6:45the Houston Texans who fall to now two and five, which is crazy to think about because I think that if we
6:51all agreed, like who, who would be favored in a game between the Texans and the Vikings right now, neutral field, the
6:57undefeated six and all Vikings against the Texans. I'm pretty sure we're all taking Houston.
7:02Yeah, no, you're not wrong because I believe in teams that could put up more than 20 points.
7:07I believe in teams that actually have a competent passing game.
7:10Just an interesting quirk, but the Giants backfield, because I agree with Debro where Scadaboo talking about and telling reporters after the
7:16game that this is before any type of imaging or he's seen medical people, which is like, oh yeah, I felt some
7:22of my hamstring that is never, you never want to feel your hamstring, right?
7:26Like the best thing scenario is like, oh, I don't even know if I have my hamstrings exist.
7:31No, they're good. But if you feel them as you get older again, it's just worst case scenario for a running back like Scadaboo.
7:38So I know that they're going on the bye week and it's going to be, oh, he's going to be fine.
7:43Wasn't this the same thing that the news outlets sold us about Rashi Rice?
7:47Oh yeah. Like his hamstring, he's fine. He's going to be great.
7:51Comes back after the bye week, DMP. Two weeks later, still.
7:54Like still not back. So I would not be holding my breath, hoping that Scadaboo is going to be back and healthy and ready to go.
8:01And we know hamstring injuries last. So that's something that I'd be concerned about this Giants backfield as a whole, as we
8:07get into some of these trade discussions of some of these veteran running backs.
8:11Dude, I think that the Giants, I know Debro kind of teased it when we first started recording, but I think that
8:17they are so alive to add a running back before the trade deadline.
8:21So they were talking about that during the off season.
8:24That was, that was one of the things with Jeremiah Love and their interest with him.
8:28They, they were one of the teams that was in on Ken Walker.
8:32Yep. The New York Giants, despite the fact that I had Scadaboo and Tracy and Najee and all these dudes.
8:37So I think that's a backfield that even over the bye week is going to be one that we're going to monitor very, very closely.
8:44And it's going to be a lot in the up in the air because you don't get injury reports during the bye week.
8:51Unless the players like talk on a podcast or something like Scadaboo was like, yeah, dude, my hamstring is like, he's going
8:57to be on a Twitch stream like playing Fortnite.
8:59Like, yeah, guys, I got a nice back on the old hammy right now.
9:03Woo! As he cuts a backflip again. Yeah. So, so that's something to pay attention to.
9:08The Aaron Jones, dude, sit this guy down. He keeps re-aggravating the same exact knee injury.
9:12And they're like, we got to keep loading him up with touches, even though they got Jordan Mason back and thought Mason
9:18looked fine, except for when Kyle Murray was like throwing it 10 feet over his head on all of the dump down passes.
9:25I thought that Jordan Mason looked good. Just feed him, right?
9:28Give Aaron Jones a break so you can at least have him available to you in the second half of the season.
9:34Because right now he's just going to keep re-aggravating this knee injury.
9:37So those things I looked at, obviously anytime McCaffrey misses time, everybody's holding their breath because we know of his injury track record.
9:44They have a bye week. So again, fingers crossed, but still drop Caleb Black and any of your fantasy leagues.
9:49Don't do it. Like, it's not worth the risk, no matter how glowing they are about, oh, McCaffrey, he's great.
9:55He's fine. Like, there's nothing wrong. No, you lock and key hold on to Caleb Black forever.
10:00You don't let anybody pry him away from your fantasy team.
10:03So those are some of my thoughts. And then Jalen Waddle, the dude just has real estate in the blue medical tent.
10:09And I hate it so much, but it's constantly ganged up.
10:12Can we also talk about the fact that it didn't matter whether he's out there or not.
10:17Bo Nix can't complete passes and Bo Nix doesn't target him.
10:20That's also true. So it's like, Jalen Waddle's like, bro, you're not featuring me in this offense anyway.
10:25What's the point? Also, the fact that he gets hurt on like an end around play when they're trying to like run
10:31out the clock in the fourth quarter. And they're like, let's do an end around to Jalen Waddle.
10:36Like, this is a great idea. Did you see the Sean Payton presser too?
10:40When nobody in the media, I don't, did you guys see, even see this clip?
10:44I don't think so. Sean Payton was talking to the media after the game and nobody asked him about the Jalen Waddle play.
10:50And Sean Payton's like, uh, so is anybody going to ask me about the dumb play that I called on the end around to Jalen Waddle?
10:58No. Okay. Well, I'm just going to answer the Jalen Waddle question that I know should exist here.
11:03And Sean Payton went on a rant about how stupid it was and blah, blah, blah.
11:07And yeah, yeah. Sean Payton like owned an L, which I was like, oh good.
11:11Accountability. Loving it, baby. Are we sure this was not the AI?
11:15I don't know. We got the AI version of Worm.
11:17We actually got got by AI and didn't realize it.
11:20We got, we got the vampire AI version of Worm before starting this show.
11:24I mean, it's running rampant, baby. Golly. Yeah. Erickson, I'm going to start referring to the hamstring as the offensive line of the body.
11:31Like you only hear about it when it's not a good thing.
11:34I think is a good way to put it.
11:37Cause yeah, you don't, you don't want to ever feel it.
11:40And that's, that's tough for, for Scadaboo and everything else you ran down.
11:43Before we get out of the news and notes, Erickson, give us a quick update on our tailgate fantasy league.
11:49Got another dub this week. We're actually protecting a small lead with two guys left to play tonight in the Monday night
11:55football game between the Cowboys and Eagles. We have Dallas Goddard going.
11:59We have George Pickens going. So we started off pretty rocky cause we had a lot of injuries.
12:04We also drafted Puka Nakua. So as you can imagine, a lot of teams that drafted Puka Nakua to start the year
12:10did not start with very glowing records, but team is starting to come into form and we finally got the benefits or
12:16we reap the benefits of drafting Kenneth Gainwell finally for the first time.
12:19So yeah, that was good. Good to hear that.
12:22We're kind of on the ups and where, where are we in the standings?
12:26We're in the bottom. That's okay. Unfortunately, bottom core tile, but like the Bengals still in range of owing our listeners something
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14:17All right, guys. Let's get to our week seven reactions.
14:20We've got three apiece. Ours are all actually somewhat related to each other.
14:23Our first ones, at least. So we'll be kind of a larger conversation here about this particular game and organization.
14:29But Erickson, you are asking about the Colts selling after another loss.
14:32Yeah, I think that's the question that we're all kind of wondering.
14:36Is this the beginning of the market sale? The yard sale for all these Colts players that are either on expired contracts.
14:42They're veteran players because the Colts are going in the wrong direction.
14:45Falling to 2-5 after they lost against the Minnesota Vikings.
14:48They had a chance to win that game too, right?
14:51But they missed a field goal. Daniel Jones just constantly under pressure.
14:54It was actually insane how much Brian Flores just did not.
14:57He puts Daniel Jones on like over 80% of Daniel Jones' drawbacks, which is like the most by a team in the last 10 years.
15:04Flores just like was no fear. And yet it's somehow less than I thought he was going to do against Jones.
15:10I mean, he's been doing it every single week.
15:12Every week. He just doesn't care. And it's just, it's absolute insanity.
15:16But another loss for the Colts. 2-5 now. And we got a report before Sunday's game from ESPN.
15:21Dan Graziano, I believe, that four of the main Colts players that were going to be on the trade block that they
15:27were going to be looking to potentially move. DeForest Buckner and Grover Stewart.
15:31I think those are the two names that make the most sense.
15:34Veteran defensive tackles where playoff teams are looking to bolster their defensive lines, whether it's because of pass rush, whether it's because of helping stop the run.
15:41I think Buckner and Grover Stewart make so much sense to be offloaded by the Colts as older players that can contribute
15:48to a playoff team, especially as part of a defensive rotation.
15:51So I think those guys are going to be the first to go.
15:54It would not surprise me at all if those guys are gone before the Colts play again.
15:59Like, they're playing the Jacksonville Jaguars this week. That's on the road.
16:02They are touchdown underdogs. And they're facing the Dallas Cowboys.
16:05So I think it's very realistic that the Colts are going to be 2-7 by the time the trade deadline comes.
16:11And, I mean, JT and Quentin Nelson are the guys that are tougher to move, in my opinion.
16:16But they were also players that were featured in that article just because these guys are like faces of the franchise type of players.
16:23So if you're moving away from Jonathan Taylor, you're moving away from Quentin Nelson.
16:27Again, JT just signed a new contract with the Colts this offseason or contract extension.
16:31So I think those are massive moves. I think it would take a lot to get Jonathan Taylor.
16:36But I think the Colts, what they showed us by giving Seth McGowan basically season highs across the board, I don't think
16:42that's a coincidence that you saw him get a highest opportunity share of the season, highest snap share of the season at the expense of Jonathan Taylor.
16:50In a game that you're trying to still win.
16:52I mean, Seth McGowan's out there on the first drive.
16:55It wasn't like, oh, we're going to get McGowan mixed in in garbage time or whatever.
16:59Now, he was playing legitimate snaps in a game that they were trying to win.
17:03So is it soft tanking, whatever you want to call it?
17:07Look, I think the Colts are definitely open to trade Jonathan Taylor.
17:10It just depends on what the price would be.
17:12So it's just a matter of who is willing to pay what for Jonathan Taylor, knowing that he's a little bit of
17:19an older running back with a contract that you have to pick up.
17:22So what do you guys think about the Colts?
17:25Like, are they already looking ahead to 2027? Are they going to draft a quarterback?
17:29They sure should be. Can they draft a quarterback?
17:31Chris Ballard, such an idiot. The other player that I think can get moved that you didn't mention, Erickson, is Josh Downs.
17:38Tons of teams with receiver needs. Now, Graziano, did he mention him in the article or not?
17:42He actually mentioned Keenan Allen. Okay, well, I mean, both of them make sense, though.
17:46Because Keenan Allen is a veteran. Keenan Allen makes sense.
17:49Josh Downs makes sense. I'll also throw another name.
17:52Charverius Ward, an aging cornerback, makes sense. Like, lots of really good spots where he could land and stuff.
17:57Like, yes, I think if you're the Colts, you're not reading the room.
18:01You're not looking at everything, all the parts and pieces, if you're not putting the for sale sign up on everything inside of the house.
18:08Because, again, I'll harken back to it, guys. What was it, three or four weeks ago when the Colts were 2-2?
18:14And I said, okay, yeah, burn it all down.
18:16Burn it to the foundation. Burn it to the ground.
18:19This is a broken franchise. It's being run into the ground, not because of the owner, because of the head coach, because
18:25of the GM, because of everything in between. Tear it all down.
18:28Tear it all down. I was just going to say, Miami did it right.
18:32Yeah. Commit to the bit. Lead and steer into that skid.
18:35Like, if you're going to do it, do it.
18:38Don't say, oh, Quentin Nelson has been such a great player for so long.
18:42Go get something for him. You can get probably a pretty decent pick for a guy like Quentin Nelson, even at his age.
18:48Fully commit. Because he's been so good for so long.
18:51Commit to the bit. Do it, Colts. Don't worry about the face of the franchise.
18:55Don't worry about that stuff. Just be like, hey, the smartest thing we can possibly do is get back the most value we can for these players.
19:03Just unequivocally. Nothing else really matters for the rest of the season for this franchise if that's the direction they're going.
19:08And I think they should. You don't worry about the face of the franchise for 2026.
19:13You worry about bringing in the face of the franchise this offseason.
19:16That could be the face of the franchise for 2028, 2029.
19:19Yes. 100%. Yeah. The emotional attachment to these players.
19:22I get it. Like, at the end of the day, these owners are like, we do want to still sell some jerseys.
19:28But, like, the smartest thing long term by far is to not care about that stuff.
19:32Well, because eventually all these, like, glittering pieces just become a chandelier in an outhouse.
19:37That's all it is. Yeah. I'm going to go before D-Row on this one because I want to talk about the other
19:43side of this game and talk about the Vikings.
19:45But they are undefeated, the last undefeated team in the NFL.
19:48And I'm still not sure that they're a playoff lock, guys.
19:51I just don't believe them. I know at a certain point it becomes a math, you know, not problem, but solution for
19:58them where, like, you win so many games and it will be very hard to miss the playoffs.
20:03Having said that, this offense is not working. I cannot believe how unsuccessful they were against the Colts.
20:08They win this game, of course, 16-10. Yet another week where the offense is not good, but the defense is so excellent.
20:14And they're facing a really bad team that we're talking about.
20:17Like, they need to go full Miami Dolphins here, their opponent.
20:20And they win by just six. Again, I thought they were going to win by two touchdowns because I thought the offense would do something against this defense.
20:28And, again, I knew the Minnesota defense would be good.
20:31But, man, like, it is just not working right now with Kyler Murray.
20:34It's not working really with anybody in this offense.
20:37They obviously take the Aaron Jones injury as we discussed today.
20:40They're 6-0. Again, the last undefeated team. But, man, I was looking through the schedule last night.
20:44I'm going to pull it back up now. And it's not like it's a murderer's row or anything like that.
20:50Like, it is manageable. But there are tough games.
20:53And if the offense really doesn't get going, like, it gets harder than it has been.
20:57Like, to date, they have beaten the Rebae Packers, the Bears.
21:00But in that monsoon game, Caleb gets hurt. The Bucs when they were absolutely terrible.
21:04The Dolphins, who they barely beat. The Saints, who have been, you know, slumping hard.
21:08And the Colts. Like, they have not beaten a lot of good teams.
21:12Coming up, they have at Detroit versus Buffalo. At Green Bay, who looks better than they did in Week 1, even though they saw a loss yesterday.
21:20San Francisco, who only has one loss. Atlanta, who's the only team to give San Francisco a loss.
21:25Carolina, who's been up and down, but their ups have been really high.
21:28At New England, who's playing better again. Detroit again.
21:31I mean, like, it gets a lot harder here for this next stretch.
21:34It wouldn't surprise me if this team ends up, like, 9-8 or something.
21:38And the NFC, I know it's not that strong.
21:41But there are at least seven pretty good teams in there to make the playoffs.
21:45So, I think it's just the bottom that's pretty weak.
21:48And I could see the Vikings have been the outside looking in.
21:51So, that's a bit of a bold prediction to say, like, that definitely will happen.
21:55So, I'm kind of couching it a bit by just saying they're not quite a lock rather than going full bold prediction here.
22:01But, man, this offense is just non-functional. And it's really hard for me to believe that the defense is going to be
22:08so good the entire season that it won't matter.
22:10And that they will really be contenders at the end of the day.
22:14I think one of Detroit or Green Bay, probably Detroit's going to win, going to win that division.
22:19But they're all decent teams, right? We still think there's maybe three playoff teams out of the NFC West.
22:24You do run out of space as quickly when you have some of those divisions like that.
22:29And I don't think – I think Minnesota might not get in, Debro.
22:32The Vikings are a fraud, have been a fraud, and will continue to be a fraud.
22:37Just to put numbers behind everything that you just mentioned.
22:40So, first of all, the war of attrition with injuries, Erickson talks about this constantly, and he's always right about it.
22:46The Vikings sustain any kind of injuries to their defense if their defense takes a step back from being historic top five, top three defense.
22:53If they become a middle of the pack or a top 12 defense.
22:56If there's any cracks in the pavement for that defense.
22:59This offense is god-awful. Kyler Murray is a terrible freaking quarterback.
23:02The Vikings are idiots for investing in Kyler Murray this season.
23:05Just some numbers to back all this up, guys.
23:08Anything you want to pull up, this offense is wretched.
23:10It is a dumpster fire. The Vikings, sixth worst in yards per play.
23:14Eighth lowest in points per drive. Fourth lowest in EPA per play.
23:17Fourth lowest in passing success rate. I could keep going and going and going for another ten different stats right now, but there's no point.
23:24Because you get what I'm putting out there. The Vikings are a terrible offense.
23:28And I don't see that changing when the quarterback is the problem for the entire offense and your head coach has quietly always been a fraud.
23:36I just want to say quickly, I don't think they were an idiot for investing in Kyler because it was so cheap.
23:42Yes, they were. They didn't invest anything in him.
23:44They got him for the minimum contract. They invested in a toddler playing quarterback at the NFL level who has never been a serious quarterback.
23:51You're wrong about this. It's a smart process. He has not been a serious quarterback in the NFL over the last five seasons.
23:58He hasn't. He has not. It's not idiotic. It is a smart process to say even a guy who has struggled recently
24:04and coming off of an injury to say you can get a guy who has been a successful NFL quarterback at some
24:10points in his career and who isn't that old.
24:12But he's not one now. For the literal veteran minimum, that's not a bad investment.
24:17Cool. Every NFL team would and should do that.
24:19Cool. You signed a bad quarterback off the trash heap for nothing.
24:22Do we want kudos for signing a bad quarterback for nothing?
24:25No. He's still a bad quarterback. They're not idiots for taking that swing.
24:29That's a high upside and the floor sitting. But is there upside?
24:32It cost them nothing. But is there upside? It cost them absolutely nothing.
24:36Is their offense good? It doesn't matter. It's not a bad investment to say let's take a swing.
24:41It just hasn't worked out and that's fine. It's a bad investment when the quarterback was bad to begin with.
24:47That is what makes it dumb. They knew there was a chance it wouldn't work out and it hasn't.
24:52That was always a risk. But it was, again, you spend literally nothing on a guy.
24:56That's not idiotic. That's like saying the gas station sushi if somebody gives it to you for free is still a good investment for dinner.
25:03No, it's not. It's still bad and it's still going to make you sick.
25:07Well, I mean, it depends on what the alternative is going to be because I know you wanted them to bring in Willis.
25:14Yeah. Right? I mean, they could have signed Malik Willis.
25:17But again, you want the alternative. Like, would they be 6-0 with Malik Willis as their quarterback versus Kyler Murray slash Carson
25:23Wentz slash whoever has started because Kyler Murray's obviously missed games.
25:26Obviously, the McCarthy thing was not going to last.
25:28No, that was never going to last. No matter what.
25:31But like, so you had to get an alternative.
25:34I mean, would you want them to bring in Tua?
25:36Like, I don't know. Like, so like, again, I think I agree a little bit more with Worm here where you're not paying him literally any money.
25:44It's not like Kyler Murray's working his way into an extension.
25:47Right? I can't imagine that Vikings media is like, oh yeah, we got to sign this guy long term.
25:52I think it's like, okay, like. Here's the counterpoint to that.
25:55We got to move on. Signing Kyler Murray for nothing versus what if they just reunited with Kirk Cousins?
26:01What would this team look like at this point right now?
26:04I mean, they still might. And they should. You never know.
26:07If they want to actually try to salvage their season, and I know this sounds crazy in the year 2026, they should
26:13trade for Kirk Cousins is what they should do.
26:15That's honestly, I mean like. It's always hard to play that game from free agency signings though, because like the players got to want to sign there too.
26:23Like, Malik Willis might not have wanted to go play in Minnesota.
26:27No, that's fine. If I was a quarterback, I wouldn't want to sign with KOC either.
26:31Yeah. But just some of my final thoughts just on the Vikings.
26:34So Kyler Murray. So again, not playing well. He's actually playing in terms of his EPA per drop back.
26:40It's actually career low. He's been terrible. He's been horrible.
26:42And even though it seemed like at least the last couple games, it looked like he was progressing.
26:47This particular spot was really, really bad. Given the fact that it was a really bad Colts defense.
26:53He posted season low and completion rate over expectation minus 12.2%.
26:56It's like really, really bad. And there were no excuses, right?
26:59With Kyler where I was at least holding the light on for, okay, he's going to have the first game with all the weapons.
27:05Like he's going to have Addison and Jefferson and Hawkinson and Derrissau and the running backs.
27:10And it didn't mean anything. It was just more of the same thing.
27:13Running around, holding the ball on for too long.
27:16Career high time to throw this year for Kyler Murray is 2.91 seconds.
27:20They've also been really inefficient on first. I will say from the Vikings overall, I think that building the ship and entire
27:26offensive infrastructure like out of Aaron Jones is also not the smartest thing in the world.
27:30Like why? Like why is this? Because they don't have anything else to do.
27:34Let's give our aging running back a billion touches and he can barely survive any game because he gets re-injuring the same knee.
27:41So that kind of blows my mind from just like a play calling standpoint of why they're doing it.
27:46I get that they can be more conservative because the fact that their defense has been so good.
27:51But about the schedule, like that's not going to happen anymore.
27:54Like you're going to have to score points when you face the Lions, when you face the Bills, when you face the Packers, when you face the 49ers.
28:02So as good as Brian Flores' defense has been, dude, like it's not going to be as easy over the next month.
28:08So I agree with you guys. And I'm curious before we get out the Vikings, what do you think the odds are
28:14for the Vikings to miss the playoffs? Oh, I'm sure it's like probably – It's actually like kind of insane.
28:20Like I was really surprised. To miss the playoffs?
28:22I'm sure it's like plus 310. Is that okay?
28:25What's your guess, Warren? Boy, I don't know. I mean because you're asking the question, that's making me like – You've got to bake in the narrative.
28:32It's going to be aggressive because it's 6-0. Like a 6-0 team in a vacuum, again, the last undefeated team in the
28:38NFL, I would think to miss would be like pretty unfavorable odds there.
28:42But the way you're saying it, is it actually closer than you would think?
28:46I was – I mean it's minus 400 for them to make the playoffs.
28:50So – Yes. So it's plus 420 – 475.
28:52So almost 5-1 for them to miss the playoffs.
28:55And I'm kind of like – to your point, Warren, there is a point where the math just kind of takes in
29:01place here where they could drop – I mean they could finish what?
29:049 and 8. Or excuse me. Yeah, 9 and 8.
29:07I miss it. Yeah, they could finish 9 and 8 and still make the playoffs.
29:11They could finish 8 and 9 and still make the playoffs.
29:15Like they could drop a ton of games in the second half.
29:18I don't think an NFC team is making the playoffs as a wild card in the below 500 or even at 9 and 8.
29:25I think it will take 10 wins to make the playoffs.
29:28Oh, maybe. Maybe I'm wrong. I mean maybe. Maybe the – Look, again, obviously like the books have done their math in
29:34some capacity to have it this heavy in terms of just making the playoffs.
29:38I mean I'm looking at a lot of other teams.
29:40It's basically where do they finish their division because if you think that the NFC West is going to have two wild
29:47cards, there's only one wild card to go. We don't think it's going to come from the south or the east.
29:52So it's can they finish first or second in the NFC North because if they're third and those two NFC West teams get wild cards, then they're out.
30:00So do you think the Packers and Lions and Bears, two of those teams, will finish ahead of them because if so,
30:06then I actually think that's a pretty reasonable path, a case for that happening.
30:10When you're looking at these other teams, they have some of the – in terms of best odds or like implied probability to make the playoffs.
30:18Like the only ones that are longer or excuse me, shorter odds are the Chiefs minus 900 to make the playoffs.
30:23Like, okay, yeah, we all kind of know they're going to make the playoffs.
30:27And I'm just looking and scrolling like Broncos are minus 335, Jags are minus 600, and the Vikings, yeah.
30:33Like, I mean, even like the Rams are minus 110 to make the playoffs because they've lost so many games to start
30:39the – and then the Bills, right? It's the 6-0 start.
30:42That's what's – that's all of it. So that's what's driving – and then the 49ers as well have really obviously favorite losses in playoffs.
30:49I'm going to change mine from I don't think they're a playoff lock to you.
30:53I'm going to make this a bold prediction and say they missed the playoffs.
30:57I fully agree with that. But I co-sign that.
30:59Fully co-sign that. I think that this is a good kind of an interesting bet to make especially because if you look
31:06for the next couple games, they're probably going to drop a couple games.
31:09You're going to see these odds obviously dramatically shift away from the Vikings.
31:13This is a big game this week for these odds.
31:16If they beat the Lions this week in Detroit, then – Yeah, that'll.
31:19Okay, 7-0. You've gotten a good win under your belt in the division.
31:23Yeah, you beat the Packers too. But if they lose this week, then that starts to feel like it could fall off quick.
31:29Because it would be 3-0 in the division. Yeah.
31:32Because they would have beaten everybody. Yeah. At least one.
31:35So the worst case would be a split. So maybe that's really what the odds are suggesting.
31:39It's more of a, hey, this is – if they beat the Lions, like it's just really hard for them to not make the playoffs.
31:46I would say that – Depending how you feel about the game this week, if you like the Lions to win this
31:52week, go bet the Vikings to miss the playoffs.
31:55And if you like the Vikings to win this week, don't go make that bet.
31:59I just went to bettingpros.com and put a no bet at plus 475 for the Vikings to make the playoffs.
32:05So let's ride. I like it. Debra, let's stick with the Vikings here for your big takeaway.
32:09We'll clear the paint. We'll let you go to work here.
32:13You were stretching those hamstrings for the victory lap before the show, as you told us.
32:17Let's not go too overboard here, even though I know you want to.
32:21But take some time and celebrate your boy. So the reality is nobody should have been shoving J.J.
32:26McCarthy into a dumpster when he hadn't even started a full complement of an entire regular season of games.
32:31So my point right here is so J.J. McCarthy isn't a bust, huh?
32:35He's not a bust, huh? Because I was told by national media, all of Vikings fandom, hell, everybody in the known universe that he was god awful.
32:42He was a terrible quarterback. He was the next Josh Rosen.
32:45He was never going to do anything ever again in the NFL, and he was terrible to begin with.
32:51I'll let the numbers push back on that for me.
32:53Amongst 39 qualifying quarterbacks right now in the NFL, J.J.
32:56McCarthy, first in yards per attempt, fifth in catchable target rate, seventh in CPOE, first by a mile in hero throw rate.
33:02The closest competitors to him in hero throw rate, Lamar Jackson, C.J.
33:06Stroud, Jared Goff, good quarterbacks, living in that 5.8, 6.3% range.
33:09And McCarthy's up in the 14% range. Also just led the Giants to a win.
33:13Almost led them, should have led them to a win against the Saints because I will consistently say, Isaiah Likely, that was a penalty.
33:20Again, we can't go back and rewrite that. But if J.J.
33:23McCarthy leads the NFC East leading Giants to the playoffs, boys, we are going to have a very, very interesting offseason in New York.
33:29And the thing that I always thought was so insane about all the J.J.
33:33stuff was like, dude, like his numbers on a per dropback basis were never as bad as everybody painted them to be.
33:39He improved his play over the back half of last season, but everybody said, oh, it's because the defenses or oh, whatever.
33:45Or they just piled on him on every other bad play.
33:49But the same consistencies weren't had for every other quarterback of his class.
33:52People don't do that for Caleb Williams. Hell, he was on the middle, on the front of a freaking Madden cover and
33:58he had a worse catchable throw rate. So yes, J.J.
34:01McCarthy, I never gave up the faith and I still believe in him because I think he's a good quarterback.
34:07And now we're seeing a player playing with confidence in a room where it's so great to see him playing with confidence
34:13because the thin line for players in the NFL, they have to play with this innate confidence of it doesn't matter whether I can jump over that building.
34:21I have to believe I can jump over that building.
34:23And from his entire tenure in Minnesota, it was like they tried to rework everything about how he played quarterback, how he
34:30threw the ball, how he read defenses, how he ran an offense, all the parts or pieces.
34:34You're seeing a quarterback now that's playing with confidence.
34:37He's letting it rip and he looks damn good doing it, guys.
34:40And the final point I'll make here because everybody will also say, well, he's only played the Saints and the Texans and those defenses aren't good either.
34:48Just tell me you didn't watch the film. If that's the point that people are going to lead with, just tell me
34:54you didn't watch a single freaking snap of either one of those games because the throws that he's putting on film are absolutely awesome.
35:01And the way that he's layering passes and the throws that he's making, you're making those throws against a bad defense or a good defense.
35:08It's impressive nonetheless. Okay, pencils down. I'll shut up.
35:10Let me quickly, Debro, follow up with this before bringing Erickson.
35:13Seven months from now, we're in the middle of the NFL offseason.
35:16It's ranking season on all the shows. They're doing their quarterback rankings on some episode of some national media pockets.
35:22Where is J.J. McCarthy falling? What will be his consensus sort of general range seven months from now?
35:27Obviously, we don't know what the rest of the season is going to look like, but I'm asking you to sort of make your projection here.
35:34Put your money where your mouth is. He will be in what range of quarterback rankings?
35:39He will be. So a lot of this is contingent upon how he plays out the rest of the season and what that looks like.
35:46If he does what is possible for this team, he continues to play good.
35:50Is there going to be bumps in the road?
35:52Sure, there will be. But if he leads the Giants to the playoffs, if he continues to play even at like 75%
35:58of the level that he's playing at right now, he's going to be ranked.
36:02You're going to see almost an overcorrection by the national media because of all the horrible takes that were out there by J.J.
36:09And the fact that he was made into a meme.
36:11The national media will put him probably somewhere in the 15 to 16, 17 range.
36:16I think he'll be above that. Okay. That below or ahead of Bo Nix?
36:20Oh, easily. Dunk on Bo Nix now. Dunk on Bo Nix now.
36:23Which again, a player that I was low on as a prospect, never wrong.
36:27Just early, boys. Well, no, because I bring up because they were all – because that quarterback class, right?
36:32Above or below Michael Penix? Give me J.J. First-round quarterbacks.
36:35I think that's really where the discussion is. I do think he'll be ahead of Michael Penix if those rankings.
36:40Bo Nix, I'm not even saying he shouldn't be ahead of him.
36:44I don't like Bo Nix very much. But like 5-2, we're actually going to talk about the Broncos later in the show.
36:50But like if they keep winning games, like I don't think McCarthy is going to be ranked ahead of him by national media members.
36:57Again, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. 15, 16 feels high to me.
37:01I was thinking like even low 20s would be like – that would be an incredible season for McCarthy given where the reputation was coming into this season.
37:08If he could be like QB 22 or 23 in those sorts of rankings would be incredibly impressive.
37:13Like top half of the NFL, I don't think there will be an overcorrection that gets there.
37:18But I mean I could be right. If he plays awesome – he was awesome this week, no doubt about it.
37:24If he continues to play awesome, then sure. I mean just play it out though.
37:28Like if he continues to play awesome and – because if he does that and say like he leads the Giants to
37:34the playoffs, which right now they're leading the NFC East.
37:37We've called it the NFC East on this show numbers of times before.
37:41Just look at – I'll just go back to a similar Giants quarterback.
37:44Not a similar, but a similar narrative street with all of this.
37:48Just look at the rise and fall of Daniel Jones.
37:50Like where he was basically a meme. He was garbage.
37:53He led the Giants and Brian Dayball's first year to the playoffs and stuff like that.
37:58Everybody jumps on the train and they believe in him and stuff like that.
38:02And I'm not saying J.J. McCarthy is freaking Daniel Jones.
38:04I'm not saying that at all. He's better than Daniel Jones.
38:07Always has been. But to that point, I think you're going to see as much hate was out there in the national
38:14media, there will be a massive overcorrection. Because this is what happens every single time.
38:18People love to crown people too early. People love a redemption story.
38:21People love all of that stuff. So eventually I think that you will see a slight overcorrection with all of that.
38:27But I mean, maybe I'm crazy, guys. Does that sound wrong to you, though?
38:31If he does lead the Giants to the playoffs and all that stuff happens and then we walk into an offseason where
38:37it's like, this is a real question. Next year, who is the starting quarterback for the New York Giants?
38:42Is it J.J. McCarthy or is it Jackson Dart?
38:45Yeah, that is a really interesting question to pose, especially if, to your point, they make the playoffs.
38:50They are in the driver's seat right now, sitting at 4-2-1, especially when you just look at the other teams in this
38:56division where no one really seems like they're going on an upward trajectory.
39:00Where the Giants right now have a lot of momentum, right?
39:03Coming off this big win against the Houston Texans with that 10.5-point underdogs.
39:06And I agree with you. Again, the McCarthy numbers look really great.
39:10Just watching him play, he just looks comfortable in this offense.
39:13And he looked so out of place at times in Minnesota with what they were doing with him.
39:18I know that I mentioned to you in our Slack channel.
39:21But the way that they're using his legs a little bit more, the RPOs in this offense, I get that the reason
39:27why they traded for McCarthy or part of the reason was because they could reinstall the Jackson Dart offense in New York,
39:33which they could not do with James Winston. And it kind of sucks because it's like, oh, this could have been an
39:39even better version if had Jackson Dart not gotten hurt.
39:42What would this team be like if Dart actually stayed healthy the entire weight?
39:46Would they be 6-0? Would they be a 7-0 team just based on what this offense has shown from a ceiling perspective
39:52when the quarterback is able to operate at a high level?
39:55And I think, too, the fact that McCarthy doesn't have the weight of the world on his shoulders anymore.
40:00You have to be the savior. You have to be amazing.
40:04No, because we don't even know if you're going to be the quarterback for the Giants next year.
40:09So he can play loose. He can play aggressive.
40:11That's what he's always done best is throwing the ball downfield, being aggressive.
40:15Again, he had a high hero throw rate last year.
40:18He made a ton of big-time throws last year, but it was compounded by the big misses and Justin Jefferson pouting and
40:24the fact that, okay, he's not doing exactly what we want, even though they were actually still winning games in Minnesota, even when McCarthy was the starting quarterback.
40:31So, again, the matchup really worked in his favor with the Texans.
40:35Again, I don't think the Texans defense is bad.
40:37Now, they're not as good as they were last year, and they've given up a lot of explosive plays, which kind of
40:43played into what McCarthy does really well as targeting the ball downfield.
40:47So I know when you posed the question about the rankings, I was kind of thinking, like, fringe top 20.
40:52Like, that's kind of where my mind kind of settled.
40:55So kind of in between, which I kind of—obviously, D-Bro, you're going to be the highest.
41:00Yeah, yeah, yeah. That doesn't surprise me. And then I'm kind of coming a little bit more conservative.
41:05But look, he's still a really young quarterback, right?
41:07Like, that's the biggest thing. Like, when you compare him to someone like Michael Penix, Michael Penix, what?
41:12He's 26, 27 years old already. Tyler Shuck, 26, 27 years old already.
41:16Like, these aren't young quarterbacks. Like, they're young in terms of experience.
41:19But J.J. McCarthy actually is a young quarterback in terms of his actual age.
41:23He missed his entire rookie year because of injury.
41:26So I think the biggest thing, too, is he has to stay healthy, right?
41:30Like, that's what really derails this in any capacity.
41:32Obviously, with most quarterbacks, it's obviously injury. But with McCarthy specifically, because he has been dealing with a ton of injuries.
41:38So that's the only thing I'm just, like, in the back of my mind, because they are using his legs a little bit more in this offense.
41:45They've got to keep him upright. They've got to keep him protected.
41:49And I hope that, you know, this offense— Again, I've been—one of the biggest things I've been wrong about is this offense overall.
41:55With Matt Nagy and Greg Roman and Callahan. Like, the fact that they've kind of been able to design this type of
42:01offense with this type of quarterback, you know, applaud them.
42:04I did not think they had it in them after what these guys had done in their separate stints.
42:09But maybe you put all these boomers together, and it just, like, works.
42:13Because so far, the Giants offense has been really fun to watch.
42:16And that's another point. I'm glad you let us here, Erickson.
42:19For all of the worries that I think, collectively, media space, all of us had, too, Matt Nagy's doing a pretty damn good job, man.
42:26Like, can we also—like, he's— Despite—not the backfield. The backfield stuff's annoying.
42:30I don't agree with the way the backfield's been.
42:32No, but that also comes down to, like, do they have a real answer in the backfield?
42:37Is the backfield stuff based out of necessity? Because they obviously do not believe in Cam Scadaboo.
42:42More on that later. They should go— Maybe they get a guy.
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43:13Erickson, what's your number two reaction this week? Fernando Mendoza watch.
43:16Is it happening here in Las Vegas? So I brought this question up because Clint Kubiak is already getting questions about, okay,
43:22like, are we going to go to the future now?
43:25We've lost four games in a row. And if you're Kubiak, I don't know if this really makes a lot of sense
43:31to pull the plug on Kirk Cousins. I was actually kind of amazed.
43:35He leads the NFL in passing touchdowns this year, Kirk Cousins, at 16.
43:38And to look at him and be like, you know what?
43:41But you're the reason we've lost the last four games in a row, which couldn't be anything from the truth.
43:47Look, has he been played perfect? No. But I don't think it's really his issue that's holding back this Raiders team from winning games.
43:53It's because they had to go up a weight class in competition over their last four games.
43:58And the defense has failed the test in four straight games.
44:01Like, like defense has been absolutely atrocious over the last four games that they have absolutely they've played.
44:06So I'm trying to pull up the numbers I had for them.
44:10Given the their defensive struggles. Eric, so while you're looking for that, also, can I can I ask you a question with all of this?
44:17Yes. Do we want to throw Fernando Mendoza out to this part of the schedule where they are going to play after they play the Jets?
44:24They play the 49ers, the Seahawks, the Broncos, and then the Browns.
44:27Is that really where we want to expose? And I talked about this last night, actually, on the betting pro show.
44:33We talked a little bit about Mendoza. And I've made it this point.
44:37I was like, they either need to start him this week and say at least he gets one under his belt against
44:43the Jets or they got to wait till after the bye because that is a brutal stretch.
44:48I think you wait until after that. You let him start versus the Chargers, Broncos, Tennessee Titans, Cardinals and Chiefs to kick it off.
44:54It might be like Chiefs backups considering at that point of the season.
44:58So the defense since week four, they have allowed an average of thirty five point eight points and four hundred and sixteen
45:04and a half yards per game to add more concerns about throwing Mendoza into the situation.
45:09Do you want to put a rookie quarterback in when his defense is giving up bleeding points to every offense that they
45:15face, putting you into pass heavy game scripts because the Raiders can't run the ball, right?
45:19At all. It's crazy how Ashton Gentry, his fantasy production is all about the receiving game.
45:24I look at his box score this past week.
45:26I'm like, oh, my God, dude, this guy was a mega bust.
45:29And then I look at, oh, he would have caught eight pass.
45:33He's Alvin Kamara. Is he not Alvin Kamara right now in Las Vegas?
45:36Like we're kind of we're fine for fantasy. So this is something that I when is this going to change or is this going to change?
45:44I mean, they had all these investments in the offensive line, bringing entire Linderbaum, getting guys healthy on the tackle positions.
45:50The run game looks broken like you did last year.
45:52Now, obviously, sometimes these things take time to gel.
45:55We saw last year Ben Johnson's offense from the run game perspective was not good to start the year.
46:00But the big difference was they had an early bye week and then they were able to kind of fix things out
46:06of their bye week, which I would just leave was like in week four, week five.
46:11And then they ran really effectively the rest of the season.
46:14The Raiders don't have that luxury, right? Their bye week is still weeks away.
46:18So is this run game going to get fixed?
46:20Is the defense going to get fixed? Kubiak has talked about, hey, we got to go back and watch the film to make adjustments.
46:27And I don't think his takeaway from watching the film is going to be, you know what?
46:32Kirk Cousins, you may leave the NFL passing touchdowns.
46:34I think we've got to sit down to put Mendoza in it.
46:38And like, this is coming from someone that I wanted Mendoza in like right away.
46:42I have tickets for him to win offensive rookie of the year, which don't help when he's not playing.
46:47So for me, I think that the Raiders probably have to keep rolling with Kirk.
46:51Maybe they think they lose two, three more games.
46:54Maybe they're like, all right, like, let's just get them out there because the season is kind of going down the toilet
47:00because of our other issues on defense, which Kubiak do.
47:03That's not his domain, right? He's an offensive minded head coach.
47:06How is he going to fix the defense? I will just say, sorry to interrupt Erickson.
47:10Like it is a really tough four game stretch for any defensive face.
47:14Kansas City, New England with Drake may play well again, the bills and then the Rams, Sean McVay, Matthew Stafford.
47:19Like I think a lot of defenses would struggle in those four straight games.
47:23Now they've struggled maybe more than you would like to see.
47:26They've been really, really bad, but it is like, you could hardly have had a bigger swing from the start of their
47:33schedule to the last month of their schedule in terms of the competition you're going up against.
47:37So, you know, I'm actually really curious to see how they do against the Jets, like sort of a more middle of the pack.
47:44Like they're definitely not good, but they're definitely not as terrible as, you know, like the Chargers have been this year or anything like that.
47:51So I, I'm curious to see what this league looks like specifically for the Vegas defense.
47:55So to the point that you pose the question, can Las Vegas, uh, fix the run game?
48:00Not unless this offensive line turns around massively. Boys, do you want to know who has the lowest yards before contact per
48:06attempt in the entire NFL as an offensive line?
48:09Yeah, it's the Las Vegas Raiders. They're not even giving the running backs one yard before they're hit one yard.
48:14It's at 0.91. Just for context, the next closest horrible run blocking offensive line is the Cincinnati Bengals at 1.32.
48:20That it's so like, and also when you understand the archetype of running back that Ashton Gentry is, he's not like this
48:26four, three speed guy where it's immediate and actual burst.
48:29He's a volume back. Get it like where he does.
48:32His best work is giving him a crease and allowing him to get into the second level of a defense, even fully healthy.
48:38I mean, this is what we saw for Ashton Gentry last year.
48:41So if they want to fix this, so I am very much on the side of do not play Fernando.
48:47Not, not with barely any offensive weapons outside of Brock Bowers.
48:50Ashton Gentry is not healthy. Your defense is suspect.
48:53You're going to be put in pass heavy game scripts, whether you like it or not, because your defense and the constitution
48:59of everything, just this depth chart and the offensive line is not good.
49:02Like they're not run blocking. Well, they're being kind of hidden because of the low time to throw for the Raiders passing attack that have, okay.
49:10Are they even good at pass protecting? Well, the numbers aren't horrible, but when it's get the ball out of your freaking
49:16hands or you're going to get annihilated, it kind of helps your offensive line numbers.
49:20I think one thing that they could try and do their team that could definitely be a buyer at the trade deadline
49:26because they have the future of Fernando Mendoza so they can get a player.
49:30What if they trade for Quentin Nelson, right? Let's upgrade one of our interior offensive line positions, try to create more space for running backs.
49:37Why can we add a deep threat wide receiver?
49:39Hello, Brian Thomas Jr. Hello, please make it easier so that it's not as easy for teams to stack the box against these Raiders running backs.
49:47Having a legitimate deep threat. We like Trey Tucker.
49:49We like him, but like, is he really like forcing defense?
49:52Oh, we got to make sure we have a too high shell because they have Trey Tucker.
49:57Like he's not that type of gravitational pull. Whereas Brian Thomas Jr.
50:00In the right offense, we saw he did his rookie year.
50:03Like we know that this guy can be a big play threat down the field and is going to force defenses to
50:10at least pay attention to him and open things up underneath for the tight ends for Brock Bowers and especially for this run game.
50:16So that's one thing that I think the Raiders should look at when it comes to, Hey, we're not a threat downfield.
50:22That's what we need to improve here. And I know they have some guys on the roster like the Thornton guy they drafted last year.
50:29He's like a high speed guy. But to me, I think that the Raiders would be buying even almost not even dependent
50:36on what their record is because I think that whoever they end up buying could be a part of their future plans in 2027.
50:42We got to move on. D bro, let's go to your reaction.
50:46You were talking about the running situation. You want to talk about some other backfields in the NFL.
50:51Who has the top three as far as the one, the best one, two punch as far as running backs in the NFL.
50:57And we can kind of narrow some of this.
51:00So I kind of composed a list of like at least off the dome, like what I think are the best, like
51:06at least in the conversation for best one, two punches as far as running backs go in the NFL.
51:11But I'm curious where we sit with the top three guys.
51:14So let's whittle this list down pretty fast. Okay.
51:17Okay. Ramondre Steven, Travion Henderson. Are they in the conversation?
51:19I'm going to say no. I wouldn't put them in the top three.
51:23All right. I don't either. So good. Clean sweep.
51:26DeAndre Swift, Kyle Mononga. I think they're firmly in the conversation.
51:29Yes, for sure. Moving on. Kenneth Walker and Emmitt Johnson.
51:31I think that that could be a surprise for a lot of people.
51:35I think Emmitt's really freaking good. Thoughts, guys? For me, that's more of like a top six in the NFL than a top three.
51:42I think it's fair to have them in the conversation.
51:44I don't think they're in the top three, but I do think it's worth shouting them because Emmitt Johnson's really good.
51:50I think it's a good honorable mention. All right.
51:53I think it's still too much like it's Ken Walker and Emmitt Johnson's just like happy to be on that.
51:58But they're worth a mention for sure. The Robinson twins in Atlanta.
52:02I would have them in this conversation. All right.
52:04Erickson, you agree? You co-sign that? I just, I think Brian Robinson.
52:08Just very mid. Okay. Let me just quickly before you go to the next one, D-Bro.
52:12Are we saying who has the best backup? Because that's not the best is one, two.
52:17Bijan being the number one is really relevant to this being a one, two.
52:20They have one of the two best running backs.
52:23I think it's in some of the parts. It's, it's both the running backs in this because we're, we're going to talk about a lot of elite guys.
52:31It also, but also. I think Brian Robinson is good enough as a backup that the fact that he's paired with maybe
52:37the best running back in the NFL makes them very much a contender for this conversation.
52:41I, I wouldn't. Okay. So we, so we disagree on this.
52:44Okay. Okay. All right. We'll, we'll leave them out for the sake and point, uh, just for elimination sake, Aaron Jones and
52:51Jordan Mason, we're limiting them easy, right? No. Yes.
52:53Okay. No. Ashton Gentium, Mike Washington. No, I would not put them there.
52:57All right. Okay. We're, we're whittling this down fast boys.
53:00Bucky Irving and Kenneth Gainwell. Okay. No, not for me.
53:02So I mean, it's a one, two punch that they keep trying to sell us on.
53:07It doesn't actually exist. So the only one we've, we've collectively said yes to is Deandre Swift and Kyle Manonga.
53:12So if the final two are in, then we have our top three and then we can just talk about who is the best.
53:19Okay. So Brees Hall and Braylon Allen. I think considering what Braylon has done this year, I, I'm, I didn't expect to
53:25be here, but I'm kind of here. So, so I definitely think they're worth having a conversation about for like, for me,
53:31I would rather, I would put the Atlanta duo over the Jets duo.
53:35Um, but I think they both deserve to be in that conversation.
53:38I think the Jets duo over the Atlanta duo for me only because Braylon, I think this year has shown me a lot, man.
53:45I wasn't expecting to see this version of Braylon Allen.
53:48Erickson be the tiebreaker. I guess for me, it's, we still haven't seen the, but we haven't seen this one, two duo like in action this year.
53:55Okay. Like even when Brees Hall was healthy, did we see, oh, Hall and Allen.
54:00No, but you've seen both of them carry the starters load and do really well with it.
54:04So regardless of seeing both of them or not.
54:07When you ask the question is, but this isn't who has the top two running backs.
54:11It's who has the best one, two punch. And when I think about that, I think about how they compliment each other.
54:17And I think that like conceptually, yes, this makes so much sense, but it hasn't really played out that way.
54:23Like when we're talking about this in a month and Braylon comes back healthy, it's like, oh wait, this backfield is so sick.
54:29He, they have to be in the top three, which I agree, but I think it's still more of a projection versus
54:36like, I mean, we've already seen DeAndre Swift and Colin Madon guy like do this and be a one, two punch and be really great.
54:43Whereas Aaron Glenn keeps telling us, oh, we love this one, two punch with Braylon Allen and Brees Hall.
54:48And it's like, but do we, but do, but to your point, do we see that once Brees comes back now considering what Braylon Allen has done?
54:55Yeah. Okay. So we're projecting a little bit, but I think also it's a conversation about the talent of both these guys and what they've both done.
55:03I would just say to your point, like we have, again, we have seen the Atlanta guys use them as a one,
55:09two punch and both have big games in the same, same game and kind of come in and compliment each other.
55:15So like, I do think they, they kind of fit that narrative a little better than the Jets do, honestly.
55:20Yeah. Worm's got a little bit of, and I think obviously a shoe in is Kyron and Blake Corum.
55:26Yeah. I was going to say that tip to me, Chicago and the Rams are the two like no doubt about it.
55:32So one actually that you guys didn't. So actually, please, please.
55:35Yeah. I put a Jalen Warren and Rico. Oh, that's a good poll.
55:39They came to mind for me and I was like, I don't know if I want to make the, like, again, that
55:45feels more like a top six or seven than a top three.
55:48This is so, they are so thunder and lightning, dude.
55:51And they're both good. Like. Oh my gosh. I can't believe I left them off.
55:55So I would put them, they were my, they were in my top three when I was doing it.
56:00They're more like six for me, but again, it's serving of the conversation.
56:04Okay. So we, we, we can whittle this down to like, we got to like, I think a submitted kind of top five here, right?
56:11Like, it sounds to me like basically one and two in some orders, Chicago and the Rams.
56:16And then we all kind of have a different like potential third.
56:19It could be the Steelers. It could be the Falcons.
56:22It could be the jets. Those feel like the next three.
56:25That's fair. I feel like I'm now that like, and I will apologize as the Jalen Warren truther.
56:30Oh my gosh. I feel so bad that I did not.
56:33I came on this show and said he is the most underrated running back in the NFL and I'm underrating him.
56:39I feel terrible now. So now he's in my top three.
56:42That's a overcorrection season is here. So yeah. Oh man.
56:45I think that's fair. Can we settle? Can we agree on that as a top five though?
56:49Yeah. Oh yeah. I think that's a, that's a very like cemented top five.
56:53We, we, we, we do have a lot more tops to get to.
56:57So we, we got to move on, but who's number one between Kyron and Corum is number one.
57:02They're number one ahead of Chicago for you. I actually do agree.
57:05I didn't know if you guys were going to disagree with me though.
57:09Kyron and Corum is number one easy. No. Cause it's just like, it's just like great running back wanting great running back.
57:15I think Kyron versus Swift is a wash. I think Blake Corum is a better running back than Kyle Manon guy.
57:21And this is no shade to Kyle Manon guy.
57:24Like, well, I also don't think it's a wash.
57:26I think Kyron's better than Swift too. So I think they are probably both a little, not by a lot.
57:32I think they are both a little bit better than their counterpart.
57:35That's fair. On the Chicago side. Especially in some of the, dude, some of the games where we've seen Kyron used in
57:41like a full CMC type of role has been incredibly impressive.
57:44Ben Johnson also is one of the, like maybe the best run game coordinator in, in football.
57:49And so like that, I'm not trying to take away from Swift, I'm a guy, but like that's a benefit that they have.
57:55Yeah, splitting hairs. Nick Vey's very good at that too, of course, but yes.
57:59So, all right. Well, let's keep the rankings going for my number two reaction here.
58:03Zay Flowers, guys. We were really excited about him early on in the season.
58:07And then we haven't really talked about him on the show that much in the last couple of weeks.
58:13And I think it's time to bring it back.
58:15He had another one of those epic first halves this season.
58:18He is the what best wide receiver in the NFL, the blank best wide receiver.
58:22Where does he rank for you guys? I'm going to throw out some stats for you.
58:27He has three different halves this season with 119 yards at least and a touchdown.
58:31In the first half of week one, he had 150 and a touchdown.
58:35In the first half of week four, he had 119 and a touchdown.
58:38First half of week seven, 120 and a touchdown.
58:41He is wide receiver six on the season despite missing time.
58:44He has 40 catches for 608 yards and three touchdowns this season.
58:47Second at yards per outrun behind only JSN on the year.
58:50Omar Cooper is also higher, but he's missed some time.
58:53So if you take that out with the smaller sample size, he's behind only JSN in yards per outrun.
58:58Guys, he has played just four halves this season with Lamar Jackson.
59:02The two of them have been on the field for four halves of football this year.
59:06And by the way, two of those halves were when Zay was really limited in Brazil.
59:11We weren't even sure he was going to play and he came back and played limited stats.
59:15He's played two healthy halves of football with Lamar Jackson this season.
59:19And he's putting up these kinds of numbers. I was looking through the wide receiver rankings, but you know, coming here to make this, this conversation.
59:26And obviously there are a few names that are clearly no doubt about it better than Zay Flowers.
59:31I'm not going to get crazy and say he's better.
59:34So Jamar Chase is better. JSN is better. Puka went on the field is better.
59:38He has the off field stuff hanging over that.
59:41I'm in a St. Brown is better. And despite the lack of stats stuff, I don't know if I'm in a is better.
59:47I'm just so consistent. He's like, he's like one of the only receivers ever to be putting up this like hundred catches,
59:53thousand yards, 10 touchdowns, just three straight years in a row.
59:56It's he's so consistent. And then Justin Jefferson, I was going to say, I know it's, it's the quarterback that's limiting him.
60:02He's, he's, he's still better. The guy, the two, I wasn't sure about it were CD lamb and Drake London.
60:08I think Zay is at worst. The next name up after those in terms of real life NFL, not talking fantasy, the way he's playing right now.
60:15He, I think of him. Lamar had been healthy all season.
60:18This would be like similar to the JSN breakout last year, statistically, just like what he's doing.
60:23Absolutely unbelievable. So again, for me, there's four or five that I think are definitely ahead.
60:28One or two that are like, I think it's arguable.
60:30He's in that tier. And then I don't think you can make the case.
60:34So like at worst, we're talking the eighth best receiver in the NFL for a guy who, by the way, everybody was
60:41making fun of his contract this off season. And that looks silly now.
60:44I wasn't. No, we weren't. Well, we were like, yes.
60:47It was for sure. Well, national media is foolish.
60:49You got a lot of people talking out their butts and don't know what they're talking about.
60:54So there's that. Dude, I think the Amonra line is really, really good.
60:58The only name you didn't mention that I think is above him.
61:01So I think it's JSN, Chase, Puka. Malik Neighbors is above him.
61:05I think Neighbors is above him. I was making a list on the fly as you were rolling through names.
61:10I think other players names to evoke in here, you said CeeDee Lamb, Drake London, Chris Alave.
61:15I don't think Justin Jefferson is still in this rarefied air.
61:18I just, I think Jefferson's fall off came last year, but that's a conversation for a different day.
61:23It's fair. I think the Amonra line is, and, but that, I think Zay is a top six receiver.
61:28I truly do. Neighbors is in the Puka category of when he's on the field.
61:32Yes, he is better. It just has not always been there, but obviously like, yes, that's a good one to include.
61:38Like, I think there's a cemented top four. There's JSN, Chase, Neighbors, and Puka is my top four right now.
61:44Again, just doing this off the fly. Yeah. And I think the conversation for Zay Flowers starts in that five, six range with him and Amonra.
61:51Like, I feel like I have to give it to Amonra just to know consistency.
61:55Yeah. I don't disagree with that, but I will say if you put Zay Flowers, drop, air drop him into the same
62:01circumstances Amonra's had in a pass heavy offense over the last few years where it wasn't bottom three, bottom five, Zay Flowers is putting up similar stats.
62:09Not, I'm not, I'm not going to say the same, but dude, his, he's so dang good.
62:14Like people look at Zay Flowers and his size, sorry, Warren, but like they look at his size and like, and they
62:20say, well, Zay Flowers isn't that good versus man coverage.
62:23He can't be press. And I'm like, based off of what, what?
62:26Nothing real of consequence. No, no stats. I mean, again, again, Erickson, like he would be on pace to break the receiving record this season.
62:33If he had been healthy with Amonra so far, it feels like the way they have played when they've been on the field together and both are healthy.
62:41Like he has been on a record shattering pace that could slow down.
62:44Of course, I'm not saying he would have broken the record, but like, again, it, it felt like when we've seen them
62:51on the field together in this version of the offense, it felt like JSN a year ago, what he's able to do after the catch is unreal.
62:58I think that if you want to make the argument for the best player with the ball in their hands after the catch, I think, right.
63:05I mean, Zay, I think has the most yards out of the catch.
63:09It's probably up there with JSN. I don't know how the exact numbers, but dude, that's how he's doing so much of his damage.
63:16It reminded me so much of what he was doing in the first half against that Bengals defense is what Jamar Chase
63:22usually does to the Ravens defense every single year where he's just like, he gets the ball and he's like, well, there's
63:28another touchdown for this wide receiver that nobody on this defense can catch.
63:32And that was the breakaway touchdown, right? It's like, oh, the Bengals, oh, they're going to catch up.
63:37Nope. Gone. Touchdown. Like doesn't even, doesn't even need red zone usage to score touchdowns.
63:41Like that's how good say flowers has been after the catch.
63:44So I think that the Amon Ra discussion is a little bit nuanced because you're kind of comparing a little bit of
63:50receivers that work in different ways because Amon Ra, again, so consistent, just great hands.
63:54I mean, he broke the record for most catches in the first six years of an NFL player, like a wide receiver this past week.
64:01So yeah, to your point, like the body of work with Amon Ra has been like every single year.
64:06It's a hundred catches, 1300 yards, double digit touchdowns, like clockwork.
64:10So that's something that you can't just wipe away with Amon Ra.
64:13Whereas they flower. Yes. A surging player right now entering year four, definitely the best year of his career so far.
64:19And the fact that what he's able to do after the catch is just absolutely, it's electric.
64:23Just for all the haters out there over the last two seasons.
64:27So since 2025 amongst 72 qualifying wide receivers, because I know people are going to say, Oh, he's talking out of his
64:33butt versus man coverage with Zay Flowers. Okay, fine.
64:35Here's numbers. 72 qualifying wide receivers versus man coverage.
64:38Zay Flowers is second. Actually, he's not second. He's tied in separation score with JSN and he's third in route win rate behind only JSN and Devontae Adams.
64:46He's really freaking good. Yeah, he is excellent. We're going really long here.
64:49So I still want to get in these. We can speed run mine.
64:53No doubt. Let's just, let's just speed run these.
64:56Cause we did want to talk about them. I'll actually go first.
64:59Cause I think mine's the quickest. Are the, are the Broncos actually good or not?
65:03They're five and two. We don't really believe in Bo Nix.
65:06No, we're frustrated by this offense. It's a, it's a pain to watch.
65:10But again, they're five and two. If they win this week against the chiefs, they're gonna be in first place in that
65:16division right now, which is kind of crazy to think about.
65:19So Debra, I ask you, are the Broncos actually good?
65:22No, there is one thing that they are elite at and the rest of things are questionable or terrible.
65:27Their offensive line is still above average. You could say they're very good.
65:31That's fine. Not going to push back on that.
65:33They are an elite pass defense as a run defense.
65:36Horrible. As a run offense. Horrible. As a passing offense.
65:39Horrible. Bo Nix. Horrible. No. No. Having said that, Erickson, they've beaten the Jags who we really like.
65:44They've beaten the Rams who are really talented. They've beaten the Seahawks who just looked really good against the previously undefeated chiefs last night and are defending champs.
65:52So they have three really impressive wins under their belt this season.
65:55Are the five and two Broncos good? And their two losses are against teams that entered week seven undefeated.
66:00The loss of the Chiefs, the loss of the 49ers.
66:03So for me, Denver, I don't think it's fair to say they're not a good team because they are their last 21 games.
66:09They are 18 and three. Like this team finds ways to win.
66:13So they're not without their warts. Of course, they were left off our top seven AFC teams last week.
66:18And I noted that as, okay, like one team that could potentially make noise here would be the Denver Broncos.
66:24They won again against the Arizona Cardinals. It was not pretty.
66:27So to me, above average is probably more of a better way to describe them.
66:31And they're going to kind of be in the mix.
66:34I think maybe it's like, are they contender or not?
66:37Right. And I think that we probably all agree that they don't feel like a contender, but I mean, you got to
66:43give credit where they find ways to win games, right?
66:45And again, that's sometimes one of the best things about some of these teams is it's not pretty.
66:51Sometimes you got to win ugly, but they do it.
66:53And their schedule is going to get a lot easier as the season progresses.
66:57Again, it was brutal to start the year. Murderers row.
67:00And the fact that they're five and two, like, I think you got to give them some credit and to the run game.
67:06Hey, Jonah Coleman, let's get this guy going. There are paths and ways where you can see this team potentially improving over the next couple of weeks.
67:14And look, we've seen good versions of Bo Nix before.
67:17So it's just a matter of, can that guy show up at some point for this offense that has kind of been
67:23going through growing pains with the play call or switching and all these things going on.
67:27So I guess, I don't know if I answered the question, like good or not there.
67:32They're above average is my opinion. You stated the question or you framed it as they find ways to win.
67:37I, the only difference that I have there is I think they find ways not to lose games by playing safe as
67:44an offense and allowing their defense to suffocate teams once they get a lead because their past defense is so good and unleashing the pass rush.
67:51I think they find ways not to lose games as opposing ways to find ways to win it.
67:56So let's keep the rapid fire going here. Erickson, I'll go to you next.
68:00Who's going to win the NFC South is your question.
68:02Yeah. So I have the odds listed right here.
68:05So the Panthers are currently favorites at plus 150 followed by the Falcons at plus 220.
68:09Then Tampa Bay at five to one and the saints at nine to one.
68:13So who do you think wins and, or who is your favorite bet of those is the Falcons at two to one.
68:20Yeah. Yeah. But favorite is relative to this is the tough division to predict.
68:23It's not that like I'm not banging the table for it, but, but that there, I mean, again, none of these teams have a winning record.
68:31Caroline is winning. Atlanta is such a clear delineation between pre Cooper rush and post your, you know, Cooper rush getting Michael panics back.
68:37I should say, yeah, not pre Cooper rush, but Cooper rush pre Michael panics that to me, they're the one that has
68:44the best chance of just going on or I mean, they just beat the team that we thought was the best team in the NFL.
68:50I'm not saying that makes them the best team in the NFL.
68:54They're, they're far from it in my opinion, but I think this is the best team in the division when Michael panics jr is healthy.
69:01So if he stays healthy the rest of the day, I think they win the division.
69:05And the fact that they're not favorites, I think is a benefit.
69:09I'll take the Falcons. And the only reason I'm taking the Falcons is because they have the best defensive unit.
69:14Um, Tampa Bay's past defense has been improving, but they cannot rush the passer.
69:18The saints defense has fallen apart and it's got awful.
69:21The Panthers have been playing a little bit above their heads as far as an offense and a defense.
69:26I think some of that's coming back to earth.
69:29If Bryce young, if he, if he looks as bad of the next few games as he looked last week, which I don't think he does.
69:36But at the same time, I don't think their defense is like a solution for them.
69:40I'll take the Falcons. Although, you know, like we said, like every team has their own warts.
69:45I guess I'm backing the best defense out of this division.
69:48The Falcons have a really tough stretch starting in week nine of Bengals chiefs by week at Minnesota versus Detroit.
69:54But outside of that four game stretch, the rest of their schedule is pretty, pretty manageable.
69:58Yeah. So really, can they play defense? It can Bajon Robinson take over games.
70:02And if they can do that, all they got to do is win enough games to get to play Carolina again and be Carolina.
70:09It's fair because Carolina has the tiebreaker, I believe, against them, which is why the odds Carolina destroyed them.
70:14And the Saints have no defense and they can't run the damn ball.
70:18Yeah, dude, the Saints. I mean, I wish, dude, that I just, it seems like it's just two steps back with the Saints.
70:24Every time it looks like they're going to make a step forward, they shoot themselves It's because their offensive line issues have become a problem.
70:31And really, the defense has legit just fallen apart.
70:34Debra, you want to play a little matchmaker here?
70:36Let's go really quickly and get out of here.
70:39Yeah, I got a four pack of players. Let's say, okay, all these four players get traded.
70:43Where do they go? Let's fight about it. Tony Pollard.
70:46My prediction is he goes to the Seattle Seahawks because they don't have a running back of consequence on that team right now.
70:53Jadarian Price, Zach Charbonnet. No, no, no. Thank you.
70:55Can Tony Pollard go to Seattle, fix the run game woes and just play the Kenneth Walker role of yesteryear?
71:01If Tony Pollard doesn't go to Seattle, where does he go, boys?
71:04I honestly can't find a good spot for Tony Pollard.
71:07I think Seattle's a perfect fit. The thing I like about Seattle as opposed to a Jonathan Taylor is they just spent
71:13a lot of draft capital on a running back, even Jadarian Price.
71:16So they're not going to want to spend another huge amount of draft capital on a different running back.
71:22Pollard feels more attainable. So I like him for Seattle more than I like Jonathan Taylor for Seattle.
71:27I mean, I guess if I had to say something, maybe the 49ers just as more insurance for McCaffrey.
71:32If this thing is legit again, you know, Robert Sala has a connection with Kyle Shanahan.
71:37He'd be like, Hey, you want a veteran running back that is proven producer can play on all three downs.
71:42Again, do they want to overlook Kalon Black potentially as a rookie running back in an offense that's already down so many playmakers?
71:49Maybe the only other place I could say Pollard is maybe the Vikings.
71:52Like if they're in Jones stuff. The Vikings, I think I was also live for running.
71:57I was going to say maybe like maybe if something else happens in the Josh Jacobs saga, the Packers, if it's like,
72:03if he then ends up not being an option, but I just feel like a running back is not going to fix
72:09the, he's not going to fix the woes there.
72:11Is he like, it doesn't matter what running back you bring in.
72:15They're all going to be horrible running behind that line.
72:18All right. Staying, staying on the running back position.
72:20I think this is Locke said forget. I'm just going to go ahead and just say it.
72:25Jonathan Taylor's going to the Giants. It makes too much sense, man.
72:28It feels too much sense. Yeah. Too much sense.
72:31They lost Saquon. They've been screaming for a bell cow running back.
72:34They were like Erickson and I were talking about, I think earlier in the show, it's like they were in on Jeremiah Love.
72:40They're out on Kim Skadaboo. Harbaugh wants the bell cow running back to define his offense regardless of whoever the quarterback is for this season and next season.
72:48You know, you got Jonathan Taylor. It makes too much sense, guys.
72:52I might even argue against it. No. And I think it's a wonderful marriage.
72:55I think it's beautiful. I think JT would be awesome for them.
72:59Okay. So moving on. Tariq Wollin. Where does he go?
73:02I think the Locke said forget fit. And this goes down to the Brad Holmes of it all.
73:07Brad, you're going to give away any draft capital?
73:09We shall see. Tariq Wollin to the Detroit Lions.
73:12Yeah. I can't find one that's better than the Lions.
73:14I mean, he would allow for them to do exactly what they want to as far as play press man as well as he's awesome in zone.
73:22So that ability, because a lot of corners you're getting, not everybody can man up and play press coverage.
73:27Tariq can. Almost every contender could use another cornerback.
73:30It's just a position where you always could use another one.
73:33So like the Lions needed the most. Yes. That's my point.
73:36It's like, yes, the Bills could use one. I think the Ravens could use one.
73:40I think the nine, like a lot of teams out there could use one.
73:44You can't, like, you can't find a better fit than the Lions.
73:47No, no, no. And also, this is the low-hanging fruit, I kind of think.
73:51DeForest Buckner, is he just going back to the 49ers?
73:54We're just going to reunite the man. The Colts get like a round four pick for him or round five pick, just any pick for him.
74:01It just makes too much sense, man. Yeah. I think that makes sense.
74:05A couple other names I threw out, the Rams, potentially, because they've had some defensive line injuries as well, putting Puna Ford
74:11on injury reserve, Kobe Turner went on injury reserve.
74:14So if they're looking for more bodies up front, I think that they make sense.
74:18And then just bad defensive lines in general, Carolina, Chicago.
74:21The Bears was mine. The Bears make a ton of sense.
74:24Damn, that's a good call. I didn't even think about the Bears, but the Bears make a ton of sense.
74:29Their front seven could really use that heft. But yeah, that was going to be my call.
74:34Kind of like they should have never traded Gervon Dexter away.
74:37Oh, weird. All right. We'll go ahead and wrap things up there.
74:40We went extra long for you guys. Hope everybody enjoyed the episode.
74:44Sorry, I had a 15-minute rant. For Erickson and Debra, I'm Ryan Warmly.
74:47Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you again next time.
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