The 10 Players We Disagree on Most This Fantasy Season
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D'Andre SwiftAlec PierceAlvin KamaraAudric EstimeBlake CorumBrock PurdyBucky IrvingD.J. MooreDak PrescottDalton KincaidDaniel JonesDavante AdamsDavid MontgomeryDavid Njoku
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Alec Pierce
NegativeInjury20:00
Alec Pierce is a point of disagreement between the hosts, with rankings of 113th and 84th. The source expresses concern regarding his health, noting he is currently limping and not walking in a straight line, despite reports that he is hopeful to return to practice.
Insight pageAlvin Kamara
NegativeBust10:20
The source expresses skepticism regarding Alvin Kamara's effectiveness, citing injury concerns and the team's financial investment in other options to replace him.
Insight pageAudric Estime
NegativeDepth Chart15:15
Audric Estimé is mentioned as a backup running back behind the starter, with the source implying he does not pose a significant threat to the lead back's workload.
Insight pageBlake Corum
PositiveRole2:12
Blake Corum is carving out a meaningful role in the Rams' backfield, with the coaching staff utilizing a drive-for-drive rotation during the season's final stretch. This usage suggests a permanent shift toward a committee backfield, likely settling into a 60/40 split that threatens the fantasy ceiling of the incumbent starter.
Insight pageBrock Purdy
PositiveProjection25:20
The source ranks Brock Purdy 77th overall, significantly higher than the market's 103rd, citing his efficiency as the QB5 in points per game last season despite playing through injuries. The source highlights Purdy's role in a high-scoring offense, his league-leading volume of throws 10+ yards downfield, and his viability as a stacking target alongside players like Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence, and Bo Nix.
Insight pageBucky Irving
NegativeValue17:14
The source identifies Bucky Irving as a player with a higher fantasy point season potential than Tyler Warren, placing him in a preferred draft tier.
Insight pageD.J. Moore
NegativeUsage33:42
The source notes that DJ Moore is expected to be the primary target in the Buffalo offense, which could impact the target share for other players like Dalton Kincaid.
Insight pageD'Andre Swift
NegativeValue16:28
The source uses D'Andre Swift as a benchmark for draft positioning, placing him in a tier of players that the source wants to target in drafts.
Insight pagePositiveValue16:57
The source categorizes DeAndre Swift within a preferred draft tier of players they want to target, placing him alongside Garrett Wilson.
Insight pageDak Prescott
PositiveProjection28:29
The source views Dak Prescott as a full tier ahead of Brock Purdy, citing his superior supporting cast, including CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens, and a returning offensive line. The source maintains that Prescott is simply a better quarterback in general, though both he and Purdy are considered acceptable options for draft stacking.
Insight pageDalton Kincaid
PositiveBreakout33:15
The source prefers Dalton Kincaid over George Kittle, citing Kincaid's health, younger age, and potential for a breakout role under a new offensive-minded head coach. The source suggests Kincaid is an elite talent when utilized as a route runner and could see increased usage if the staff moves away from the constraints imposed by Sean McDermott.
Insight pageDaniel Jones
NegativeProjection14:18
The source ranks Daniel Jones 197th overall, noting that he is coming off an injury and expressing concern about the overall health and effectiveness of the Colts' passing attack, despite reports of his readiness to run the same offensive scheme as last year.
Insight pageDavante Adams
NegativeValue17:07
The source places Davante Adams in a draft tier that they are skeptical of, positioning him behind the group of players they prefer to target, while simultaneously identifying him as a player with a higher potential fantasy point season than Tyler Warren.
Insight pageDavid Montgomery
NegativeValue17:03
The source positions David Montgomery as a player drafted after the tier of players they are currently targeting, serving as a benchmark for draft value that they are skeptical of.
Insight pageDavid Njoku
NegativeProjection34:32
The source is fading David Njoku compared to George Kittle, noting that Njoku's high production last year was largely due to being the only dependable pass catcher on the Browns, a role that is unlikely to be replicated this season. The source ranks Kittle 13 spots ahead of Njoku, citing the 49ers' superior offensive scoring potential.
Insight pageDevin Neal
NegativeDepth Chart15:14
Devin Neal is identified as a backup running back behind the starter, with the source implying he does not pose a significant threat to the lead back's workload.
Insight pageGarrett Wilson
NegativeValue16:57
The source identifies Garrett Wilson as a player in a preferred draft tier, noting that his current Yahoo ADP—drafted right after Tyler Warren—is considered an insane valuation.
Insight pageGeorge Kittle
NegativeProjection29:50
The source is conflicted on George Kittle, ranking him 13 spots ahead of David Njoku due to the 49ers' superior scoring potential, but expressing skepticism regarding Kittle's age (nearly 33), recovery from Achilles surgery, and the need for a ramp-up period during the first half of the season.
Insight pageIsaiah Likely
NegativeRole36:52
The source is skeptical of Isaiah Likely's fantasy value due to his projected part-time role, noting he will likely play fewer snaps than Travis Kelce did last year. While he is the team's second-best pass catcher, the source questions his weekly consistency and touchdown upside, ranking him behind full-time players like Juwan Johnson, Dallas Goedert, Andrew Ogletree, and Jake Ferguson. Disagreement exists on his ranking, with one source placing him 108th and another 137th overall.
Insight pageJalen Hurts
NegativeValue16:04
The source suggests that in the draft range where Tyler Warren is being selected, they would prefer to stack a mid-range quarterback like Jalen Hurts with a wide receiver rather than drafting Warren.
Insight pageJavonte Williams
PositiveValue7:07
Javonte Williams is ranked ahead of Kyren Williams because he is the clear lead back on a high-projected offense without the immediate threat of a teammate stealing goal-line work, unlike the situation in Los Angeles.
Insight pageJaylen Waddle
NegativeValue7:18
Jaylen Waddle is identified as a preferred draft target over running backs like Kyren Williams in the current ADP range, as the source favors selecting high-upside wide receivers in that draft tier.
Insight pageJaylen Warren
PositiveUsage33:56
The source projects Jaylen Warren to serve as the featured back in the Steelers offense, citing his RB20 finish in usage last season and his ability to catch passes and excel in pass protection. Despite concerns about his low goal-line conversion rate (6 of 30 inside the 10-yard line), the source argues that an improved offensive line featuring Troy Fautanu and Zach Frazier, combined with the team's need to utilize running backs under Aaron Rodgers, will lead to significant volume.
Insight pageJonathan Taylor
NegativeUsage12:08
Jonathan Taylor serves as a statistical benchmark, trailing only Travis Etienne in fantasy points on drives starting in opponent territory last season (52.4 points). His presence in the Colts' offense facilitates a balanced approach, particularly in the red zone, which the source suggests may limit passing volume for other pass-catchers.
Insight pageKeenan Allen
NegativeUsage13:18
The source expresses concern that Keenan Allen will cannibalize Tyler Warren's target share, noting that Allen performs many of the same underneath routes and roles that Warren occupies in the Colts' offense.
Insight pageKendre Miller
NegativeDepth Chart15:16
Kendre Miller is mentioned as a backup running back behind the starter, with the source implying he does not pose a significant threat to the lead back's workload.
Insight pageKyle Pitts
NegativeProjection40:25
The source references Kyle Pitts' rookie season as a cautionary comparison for Isaiah Likely, questioning if Likely will see enough consistent usage to be a reliable fantasy asset.
Insight pageKyren Williams
NegativeUsage1:52
Kyren Williams faces significant usage concerns; his snap share dropped to 50-63% in the final four games of last season, down from 85%. With Blake Corum's emergence, a 60/40 committee split is expected, making Williams risky at his top-25 ADP. While he remains a strong pick in tied/trailing game scripts (75% snap share) and finished as the RB11 last year, concerns persist that any offensive regression or injury could cause his fantasy value to tank.
Insight pageMalik Nabers
NegativeValue7:20
Malik Nabers is highlighted as a wide receiver prospect that the source prefers to draft over running backs currently available in the same ADP range.
Insight pageMike Evans
NegativeInjury25:13
The source expresses significant concern regarding Mike Evans due to a recurring pattern of lower-body injuries, including a current groin issue, a previous quad strain, and a history of hamstring problems that have caused him to miss games in each of the last four seasons. At 33 years old, there is skepticism about his durability and potential for a reduced, non-every-down role to manage his health. The source notes that Evans is currently not participating in training camp and is being repeatedly scaled back when attempting to ramp up. Consequently, the source views him as a 'do not draft' candidate, preferring younger wide receivers like Jameson Williams, Christian Watson, and Rome Odunze at his current Yahoo ADP.
Insight pageParker Washington
PositiveValue40:54
The source expresses a strong preference for Parker Washington over Jaylen Warren, stating they would draft Washington 100 times out of 100 despite him being selected three spots after Warren in current drafts.
Insight pageQuinshon Judkins
NegativeValue17:07
The source places Quinshon Judkins in a draft tier that they are skeptical of, positioning him behind the group of players they prefer to target, though they acknowledge he has a higher potential fantasy point season than Tyler Warren.
Insight pageRashee Rice
PositiveInjury41:33
The source expresses skepticism regarding Rashee Rice's health and target dominance, noting they have not seen him run without a limp and questioning if he will maintain his previous target share in the Chiefs' offense.
Insight pageRico Dowdle
NegativeRole35:24
The source views Rico Dowdle as a 'four-minute bruiser' type rather than a primary receiving threat, doubting he will reach 50 receptions. While some local writers expect him to lead the committee, the source suggests he is a veteran grinder who could fall off a cliff, leaving the featured role to Jaylen Warren.
Insight pageTerry McLaurin
NegativeValue17:07
The source places Terry McLaurin in a draft tier that they are skeptical of, positioning him behind the group of players they prefer to target, yet they also view him as having a higher fantasy point ceiling than Tyler Warren.
Insight pageTetairoa McMillan
NegativeValue7:23
Tetairoa McMillan is identified as a player the source would draft ahead of Kyren Williams in the current ADP range.
Insight pageTheo Johnson
NegativeInjury39:43
Theo Johnson left practice after an incident where he threw his helmet and removed his gloves, requiring assistance from trainers. This injury status is noted as a potential factor that could force other tight ends into a heavier snap count.
Insight pageTravis Etienne
PositiveProjection9:13
Travis Etienne is in his best environment yet, benefiting from Kellen Moore's neutral pace, an improved offensive line, and a lack of proven backfield competition. Ranked at the 3/4 turn, he is projected for high-volume usage and increased pass-catching opportunities, with the source noting his production metrics last year justify a higher consensus ranking.
Insight pageTravis Kelce
NegativeUsage38:15
The source uses Travis Kelce as a benchmark for tight end production and snap counts, noting that even in his current form and coming off a down year under Matt Nagy where he finished with 9.1 fantasy points, he remains a full-time player who is superior to Isaiah Likely.
Insight pageTyler Warren
PositiveProjection12:19
The source projects Tyler Warren as a TE4 and the 48th-67th overall player. Evidence includes 19 red zone targets as a rookie (11th most among WR/TE), top-three tight end route participation, and the departure of Michael Pittman Jr. as a catalyst for a 7-9 touchdown season. Counter-evidence includes a lingering groin injury and Keenan Allen's arrival as a direct threat to target share.
Insight pageXavier Worthy
PositiveBreakout41:33
The source ranks Xavier Worthy at 113th, preferring him over Rashee Rice due to injury concerns surrounding Rice. The source believes Worthy is well-positioned in a Chiefs offense that emphasizes play-action and deep passing, and expects him to emerge as a full-time player in his second year.
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Episode Transcript
0:00After a 100 hours of shows this offseason, this is the episode you've all been waiting for. Me versus Hayden.
0:06Yes, the players that we disagree on the most. Some of these we've discussed this summer, Hayden. Some we haven't. Maybe we've held some of our opinions close to
0:13the chest >> so far in our discussions. Uh this is a good one each and every year.
0:18>> Yeah, this is going to be a great show.
0:19Some of these names we it's just like we're on the total opposite sides and sometimes we're both kind of on those
0:24the same side, but one of them just takes it to the extreme, which I like to hear as well.
0:27>> Yeah. Before we get going, leave in the comments down below who you think we're going to talk about. Pause this video.
0:33Do that cuz I know so many of you watch these episodes that you can tell I'm on this side, Hayden's on this side, and
0:39vice versa for certain points. Uh, and let us know, you know, some of your flag plant players this draft season as well.
0:46Okay, we'll kick things off with a name that I wouldn't have expected us to be on this opposite ends of, but here we
0:52are. Kairen Williams leads off this conversation. Hayden, you are 34th overall. I'm 26th, by the way. You can find our rankings in the description
1:01down below. Both happy PR and full over on Yahoo. Uh it's all free to all of you. Hey, I guess you should go first
1:07here. Like give me your overall thoughts here on Kron Williams and why we might be different.
1:12>> In the final four games of the year, including the NFL playoffs, Kairen Williams played between 50 and 63% of the snaps. In the game that they got
1:18eliminated, he was at 50% of the snaps.
1:21A near coin flip here. Uh, keep in mind that most of his games when he was like the locked in top five, top 10 fantasy
1:28running back, he was like at 85%. What happens is Blake Corm just starts offering something uh that the Rams really appreciate and we just have to
1:38wonder how good the Rams are going to be. Obviously, they're going to be good, but last year they were number one in
1:44points per game, yards per game, and success rate last year. It was one of the highest success rate rushing offenses of the decade. And even with
1:54that, he was kind of where he is in in ADP, RB8, RB12 usage and half PPR. In previous seasons, he would have been in
2:01the mix for like an RB3 type of finish.
2:04So, I'm expecting the Rams to still be very good, but maybe not be quite as good as they were last season. They have
2:10a left tackle possibly can get suspended. They're just like it's a kind of a fragile team, one that we expect to
2:16go all the way. And I don't think that the Blake Corm stuff is going away. It's probably going to be 6040 somewhere in
2:22that range, but I'm just looking at the last four games of the season when they're trying to win the Super Bowl.
2:26And that was a drive for drive rotation.
2:28That's okay. When you average 30 points per game, if we're averaging 25 26 points per game, uh that's where I think
2:35he gets a little bit trickier inside like the top 25.
2:37>> Interesting. You said the last four games of the season. Obviously, three of those were wins, one of them was a loss,
2:44uh a very close one, a narrow one. Mhm.
2:46>> Um, overall though, Kyron Williams has played 75% of the snaps when the Rams have been tied or trailing compared to
2:53Blake Corm's 24.4%. So, while I understand that there were moments and some of them happened towards the end of the season again when they were three
3:01and one um that it was drive for drive, I do believe that just overall when the Rams and it isn't very often when they
3:09are trailing or even close to the scoreboard as maybe their opponents. Um I think Shawn McVey leans more on Karen Williams and he's going to continue to
3:17do that. Now, 73% of the Rams touchdowns last year were passing, the fourth highest rate in the league. So, I think that that could
3:26naturally get back to more rushing scores and that would be incredibly advantageous for someone like Kairen Williams because despite that number,
3:36Kairen Williams finished as the running back 11 in points per game. And right now, he's being drafted on Yahoo as the
3:45running back 14. And he tied for the third most red zone rushing scores on the fifth most rushing carries inside of
3:52the 10 yard line. So they can, you know, and once again, they're projected for what, the most points in the league. If
3:58they do that again, great. If they still pass for a lot of touchdowns, he is still getting a lot of work in these
4:04high value touch areas that lead to fantasy points. If they're a little bit worse, and I think that that might mean
4:10fewer passing scores, then I still think like this rushing aspect and a short yardage aspect has been so beneficial to Kron Williams over the last three
4:20seasons that I just love to take the lead back. Now, I think he is the lead back uh on one of the highest projected
4:26offenses in the league.
4:27>> Yeah, that's why I have Javvante Williams one spot ahead. I just don't have to worry about somebody stealing goal line work in in that situation.
4:34They're very similar play players. And then like the other thing is there's a bunch of wide receivers that I kind of
4:38put ahead of these uh running backs uh in this range. One of them being like Jaylen Wadd, Tedoa McMillan, like those
4:45types. Um so, it's not that like I think Kairen's like the worst pick uh out there. It's just that I think that this
4:52season's not not going to exactly resemble the previous seasons. And if the Rams take a step back, whether it's injuries or something like that, this
5:01committee backfield is like one that would like really cause him to tank.
5:04Like the Rams have to be elite elite for this to work. Uh decent case that's going to happen, but in those other
5:12cases, it's going to be a pretty bad pick.
5:14>> Yeah. I'm just looking at where consensus rankings have Kron Williams.
5:17him 31st. So, they're basically, you know, fencing it in in between us. Yeah.
5:22I mean, >> over the last three seasons, Kron Williams has finished second, first, and third in fantasy points scored inside of
5:27the red zone.
5:29>> I mean, we just talk about touchdowns all the time. And Kairen Williams, even when, you know, there have been challengers for his backfield and not,
5:38Kron Williams still scores a lot of touchdowns because, uh, he's on the LA Rams. All right, next up is Travis Aan.
5:45We're flipping this one. I'm 43rd, you have him 35th. Why are you so into Travis Han this year for the 17th time
5:51this offseason?
5:53>> Yeah. Uh, well, I don't think anyone has agreed with me, so I got to make my case once again. I think it's the best
5:58environment he's ever been in in terms of uh neutral pace. They're going to be number one, number two, just how they
6:02were this last season. That's something that Kell Moore always has. And the offensive line, I would say, is average to good. And every single season with
6:09Jacksonville, it's been bad to horrific.
6:12And even with that, in three of his four seasons, he's uh totaled 1399 yards.
6:18That's plenty enough to be worthy of an early round four selection. Alvin Chimera is injured. I don't think Alvin Chimera is very good. They gave him a
6:28lot of money to replace Alvin Chimera.
6:30They didn't know if he was even going to be a part of the team. Uh the backups behind him are completely unproven
6:35players. they want him to be uh a um explosive type of player and I think that he has the juice to do that behind
6:43an offensive line that's going to be better than it ever was before. And then even last year uh he was the RB11 on
6:49RB14 usage and that was with a committee. He was getting like cut in into two different ways. Uh and he was
6:55still an effective player. I'm not sure if this is going to actually be cut into that many different ways. I think that
7:00he's going to be out there for a lot of the early down snaps. I would be very surprised if Chimera is ever mixing in
7:06at the goal line. That's a pretty exciting role for a team I think uh should be at least uh pretty high up
7:12there in terms of play volume.
7:13>> So to me, no player benefited more in fantasy football from turnovers than Travis Han did last year. Rich Rebar had
7:20an unbelievable stat over on chart football analysis that Han led all players last season in fantasy points scored when the drive started in the
7:28opponent's side of the field with 82.2 fantasy points. The next closest running back was Jonathan Taylor at 30 points less at 52.4.
7:38Uh and that's important because really in the second half of last season since Jacksonville's week 8 buy, like ETN his underlying metrics were not good. You
7:47know, uh he rushed for 3.6 yards per carry. That was 24th of 32 backs with 100 plus attempts. A 32% success rate
7:54that was 30th across the league. He failed to gain any yardage on a league high 26% of his attempts over that span.
8:01Now, a lot of that can be attributed to the offensive line. As we always talk about with these running backs is not
8:06just individual stuff. Uh, as we discussed yesterday's show, Jacksonville's offensive line for kind of the second year in a row is going
8:14through some chair shuffling. You would like to think that the Saints with how much investment they have their two tackle spots and then bring in David
8:21Edwards at guard could be better in that department. Um, but those are the numbers that we're working with. And just overall with this one, I am
8:28basically lock step where he's being selected. You're the one kind of on the ledge here, ranking him almost 10 spots higher than he is going anywhere else.
8:37>> Yep. I dropped him a ton. He's right the three four turn to me. This is where he finished last year, if not even higher
8:43than this in the overall scoring. I think a lot of those metrics that you pointed to was just the offensive line
8:48difference that I'm going for. And there's only so many uh ways to kind of beat consensus right now. I think offensive line remains one of those.
8:55We're talking about two first rounders at tackle. David Edwards, the veteran, been there before. Eric McCoy, when he's out there, is rock solid. And then their
9:03worst one is at least still a former uh first round pick. Um they just don't have like that many guys in the skill
9:09group. I think that he's also like a candidate to catch more passes than ever, just more play volume. Um and it's
9:14going to be Devin Neil and Audrey Estay and Kendra Miller behind him. Like I don't think he's going to come off the
9:19field very much. I am starting to wonder if and get a bit concerned that the Saints offense in a perfect world on
9:26paper looks great and then when you dig below the surface it's quite fragile.
9:31Like every single one of these peach pieces is fragile. Uh Jordan Tyson that's already happened. Chris Ave exited practice today. Hopefully he's
9:39totally fine. But as we heard he actually has a clause in his contract.
9:43This is from Nick Underhill that if it goes back to why he missed so many games for consecutive seasons about what head
9:49injuries and he can't be cleared anymore then they basically can get out of that deal. We know about Tyler Shuck's injuries in college and Travis Achan's
9:55in the NFL all this type of stuff. So I think though the number one talking point with Travis Ahan for me is this
10:02glut of wide receivers. Again it's the conversation every single time. I appreciate him, but for you, you are basically selecting him, and you can
10:10tell me if I'm wrong with these names, ahead of again, this is just where the board has him. Uh, Z Flowers, Jaylen
10:17Wadd, Terron McMillan, Mechuka, and Lad Maki.
10:20>> Yeah. I think what happens though, especially on Yahoo, there's so much great value in like Matthew Golden, like those type of guys, Dean Stribbling
10:28later on that I feel better about, you know, like drafting one or two strong wide receivers and then just like throwing three or four names into the
10:37like the Jordan Addison tier. And then a lot of times you can get like Rome Adun who I really like, Christian Watson kind
10:43of at that five, six turns. Just kind of depends on the the format that you're in. uh DJ Moore, those type of names,
10:49Jameson Williams, even sometimes Luther Burden can fall uh that far where um I I still, as much as I like those wide
10:57receivers there, there are still some really strong wide receivers at the next turn like or you're going to have to like be stuck with, you know, the
11:03Trayvon Hendersons, like that's like the five, six turn running backs and >> or you just pick your running backs before this.
11:08>> Yeah. Yeah, you definitely can. I I'm not afraid and I'm not above going running back, running back, picking a wide receiver in round three and then in
11:15round four, filling out my flex with Travis Han. I've done that plenty.
11:18>> There you go. Yeah, I just can't take him above Z Flowers, Jaylen Wadd, and some of the other wide receivers that we
11:23mentioned. So, I think that's really the gap here versus maybe our actual running back ranking might be identical. It's more just the overall comparing him to
11:31the wide receivers selected around him at this point. I didn't mention at the top of the show, now's the perfect time.
11:36uh you might be the judge of who wins this battle of the brains here. So let us know in the comments at the end and
11:44you can even tag them by player by player if you want to who wins for Kyron Williams, Travis Aan and throughout here
11:51and let us know at the end who won the Hayden versus Josh debate of the rankings today. Next, I mean it's
11:59basically the entire Colts passing game we disagree on. Uh Tyler Warren, you have 67th overall. I'm 48th. Alec Pierce, Hayden, you're 113. I'm 84th.
12:09Daniel Jones, even 197 for you. I'm 133rd. So, where should we begin? Tyler Warren or Alec Pierce or what should we
12:17do here?
12:18>> Uh, well, I'm going to win the Alec Pierce stuff. So, let's let's start let's start with Tyler Warren because that would be actually an interesting
12:23debate here. Um, I'm factoring in the Keenan Allen stuff as a direct uh threat to Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren's dealing with this groin groin injury. Obviously,
12:32that matters to some degree. I'm assuming he's going to be out there, but that's something that you can that can always linger. There can be a setback.
12:39In a perfect world, the Tyler Warren stuff is underneath Dink and Dunk all the way down the football field. Uh I'm
12:46not sure if the Colts are going to be quite as great this year just looking at all these injuries. Josh DS, Alec
12:52Pierce, uh Tyler Warren, Daniel Jones coming off injury. That's a lot when you're already losing Michael Pitman.
12:57So, I'm not sure if this Colts offense is going to be that amazing. I think Tyler Warren is a fine manufactured
13:03touch player. I don't think he's like Mr. uh isolation route runner. I think he's fine at that, but this is a pretty
13:09big difference between Coulson Leland and Tyler Warren uh in that degree. So, I I just I'm just a little bit nervous
13:16about the floor of the entire offense.
13:18And I'm also nervous that Keenan Allen does a lot of the stuff that Tyler Warren does. And Keenan Allen has been
13:24just uh snatching souls for the last couple years against guys that we draft in this territory. And I just think in
13:30general, uh, some of the the mid-round, late round tight ends, I think are starting to look a little bit better where at one point I was like, you got
13:37to get a top eight guy. Now that we have some some better names at like the tight end 10 to tight end 15, I do think you
13:43can punt this position off and reddraft and play the matchups if you want to.
13:46>> So, the number one scoring offense from weeks one through 13 last year makes you concerned that there's no floor for this
13:53offense this year, >> la last year or this this upcoming year?
13:56>> Well, last year they were. I mean, that was the number one scoring offense with 30 points per game. 36 injuries to go.
14:03>> Fair, but that doesn't mean that they're going to go from like the number one scoring offense down to the 24th scoring
14:09offense. You know, like there's >> when they got when they got injured, they were like the 24th offense.
14:14>> Well, I mean, this is all kind of tied also to Daniel Jones who by literally every single account, either Robert May
14:20going there, the Beat Riders, everyone.
14:22They're saying that overwhelming positivity that he's in good shape, that he is good to go and they are doing everything basically that they did last
14:31year. And so to me, like that is the start of where everything goes from from here. And with the Keenan Allen taking
14:38away from Tyler Warren, I think a large portion of that. If this team's going to still run some 12 personnel and he's
14:45going to come in in 11 personnel stuff is is the third downs. Well, Tyler Warren, 49 of his targets last year were
14:50on first down last year, 39 were on second down, and then just 24 on third and fourth down of last year. So, like
14:57weeks 1 through 13, again, when Daniel Jones was healthy last year, 10.7 points per game, that was a tight end six, and
15:04that was only on four touchdowns all season long, catching, one rushing score. So, like to me, it's very easy how this goes up to the next level where
15:13he's a top four scoring tight end. It's going from five total touchdowns to eight touchdowns or nine touchdowns or 10 touchdowns. And I think that's
15:20important because like he led this team in targets already as a rookie. And it was very clear when you go back and
15:25watch this team that Shane Syen absolutely loves to dial it up with him.
15:29It was split flow action, it was play action, it was boots. He's the best screen guy on the team, too. So, I think
15:35Shane Sen is going to continue that. And then he had 112 targets. Pitman had 111.
15:40The next closest was about 85. I don't think that the gap's really going to change that much. And I think Tyler
15:45Warren is like still going to lead this team in receiving. And I think they're just, you know, maybe not going to be a
15:51top five scoring offense, but 15th, great. I'm still going to roll with Tyler Warren as a tight end four and the
15:56uh 48th overall player this year.
15:58>> Yeah. I just think there's too many good wide receivers and running backs in that range. Um, and then to me versus like
16:04Jaylen Herz or you named one of the the elite quart not the totally elite quarterbacks like one of those like mid-range quarterbacks. I'd rather stack
16:11up my quarterback with one of those wide receivers than go with with Tyler Warren. I think it's it's he's a good
16:17player. I'm not sure if he has like I'm literally going to be like one of the guys that you need type of talent. I
16:24think that he's one tier below that. I'm just not sure that the volume's ever going to get there with that. It's going
16:28to be a pretty balanced offense as always, especially in the red zone. I think part of those red zone numbers just because you have Jonathan Taylor
16:34out there like you don't need to be throwing the ball uh too much. Um so there's just there's just too many other
16:40tight end names that that I feel comfortable with. At one point I was kind of with you but kind of as we learn
16:44more and more about the Colts I'm just starting to get a little bit nervous.
16:48See, for me he's like in the perfect spot behind your immeasis, Garrett Wilson's and DeAndre Swifts and then ahead of Dave Montgomery, Quinn
16:58Sean Judkins, Terry McLaren, Devonte Adams, all that area. Like that is a, you know, void in a draft where I think
17:07it's a clear tear in I want all these players and then I'm skeptical about all the others and I would put him right at
17:14that group.
17:14>> Yeah. I mean, right now on Yahoo ADPwise, uh, Garrett Wilson goes right after Tyler Warren. I think that's that's insane.
17:21>> Okay, but you're you're much later than that though on him. So, like, I think you can easily say, okay, if Garrett
17:26Wilson's off the board, then you're still taking, you know, a bunch of the other players after Tyler Warren ahead of him.
17:32>> Yeah. I mean, I think Terry McLuren, Quinnshaw Judkins, I think uh Bucky Irving, Devonte Adams, like there's there's still a lot of names that I
17:40think just have a higher uh fantasy point season uh available to him. And there's just been too many other tight ends that are kind of rising up my
17:48rankings because of injuries uh elsewhere that I'm starting to get a little bit more comfortable with that rather than uh waiting too long.
17:54>> Yeah. I mean, 19 red zone targets last year as a rookie. That's the 11th most of any wide receiver or tight end across
18:00the league. And now he doesn't have Michael Pitman on top of it. And I hear you as like maybe I mean I'm never going
18:07to say that he is the isolated route runner of Coulson Loveland. He did have a sick ass rep of one-on-one against
18:13Patrick Certan and just bodied him and demolished him and won that. I think he's fearless. I think he's strong. I think he absorbs contact. I think he
18:20wants to be the hammer on every single time he has the football. Um and he was tied in three in route participation
18:26last year. So again, the pathway is so easy for me to see how he's not the tight end six again.
18:33>> It's by scoring more than five touchdowns. And I think he's going to score more than five touchdowns here this year. Seven, eight, nine on top of
18:41that. And I again I guess the crux of the whole thing is I'm actually way more optimistic than seemingly everybody on
18:47Daniel Jones and Shane Sty getting this back to again I'm not saying they have to be 30 points per game but if they're
18:53down to 24 points per game >> I mean hey we're rolling here and then like even Alec Pierce it's interesting whenever I post about him online it is
19:03met with you know a lot of pessimism out there except for Colts fans who like closely follow the team and they all
19:12firmly believe that he is going to be ready for week one. We got the report today that he's quote hopeful to return
19:18to practice this week. Now, obviously, anytime that you see him walking on the sideline, especially with Josh Downs right now, it does not look great. Both
19:26are limping, but I there's like this area of wide receivers where it's just like, okay, I can make the case here or
19:34there for them. And with Alec Pierce when he's on the field, I know this is a very long season and I understand he's
19:39coming back from a major injury, but at some point I'm like, I'd rather take the shot on Alec Pierce knowing what we know
19:45versus these unknowns that uh I haven't seen do it to the same degree that Alec Pierce has done. And that's why I have
19:51him at 84 so far.
19:52>> Yeah. I'm just waiting for him to walk in a straight line. Like that's kind of the threshold I'm looking for. It just
19:59seems to be like the same exact limp.
20:01And like when he's uh signing autographs, he's limping there. He's walking next to Josh down is also not walking in a straight line. Uh to your
20:09point there and maybe this is how Tyler Warren can get home where he is literally the last remaining body and they have to give him uh the rock a ton.
20:16But um it just seems like his like knee and ankles buckling when I sit there and watch him walk. And um if I knew that I
20:23was being filmed every single time I would walk, I would try my hardest to walk normal. And it seems like we
20:29haven't cleared that threshold yet. And I think just times time's ticking. Okay, let's talk about Jaylen Warren. I think he might be your favorite player in the
20:37league.
20:38>> Uh, you have him 65th overall.
20:41>> I have him 81st overall. So, again, this is one of those players that um I think we're actually quite opposite on in that
20:50>> he's going 73rd on Yahoo. So, there's a nice eight section gap between kind of both of where you have him and then much
20:58later where I have him. So, we talked about him yesterday's show on the preseason two, week two notes. So, what do you want to add here about Tyler or
21:05excuse me, Jaylen Moore?
21:07>> The RB20 on RB22 usage last season. The Steelers were fourth in running back usage as a team because, you know, his
21:16his teammate was the MVP and caught a million passes. Uh, and that's what Jaylen Warren could could do with Aaron Rogers this year. I don't think that
21:24Rico Dattle was ever going to be a threat for 50 plus uh receptions. He was always like the change of pace kind of
21:30like hammer type uh with Mike Mccarthy and in general the McCarthy offenses want to be a little bit more pass heavy
21:38than runheavy. I think that he fits the bill. And then I always have thought that Jaylen Warren is just a really good
21:43player in general. I think he's good in pass protection. I think he runs uh really hard for for his size. He's 5'8
21:50215. There's a lot of running backs that have had awesome seasons kind of in that ballpark. Uh he can catch the ball
21:56cleanly and I think that he's not I think he's going to probably split the goal line work with Rico D while
22:03catching a lot more passes than Rico Dow. So he's one of these uh running backs where I'm looking at the offensive
22:08line. It looks pretty solid to me. I think that Aaron Rogers is kind of like pigeonholed into an offense that's going
22:14to have to be using their running backs quite a bit here. And there's enough talent on offense in general for this
22:20team to be uh hopefully close to league average uh on offense. So this is more just watching Jaylen Warren and finally
22:27we have like a season where it seems like they're going to like really lean on him. Uh and I think that Rico Dow is
22:32going to be like a fourminute bruiser type, but the actual featured back will be Jaylen Warren. For someone who loves touchdowns as much as you do, I'm
22:38surprised you like Jaylen Warren this much because for his career, Jaylen Warren has converted six of 30 goal to go runs for touchdowns. Uh that's 20%.
22:48Uh if you look at inside the 10 yard line, his rate is way worse than someone like Rico Dattles, for example. Um so,
22:56you know, recently we've had either local writers or national people Mike Defabo, Mike Veiano say they expect Rico D to be the leader in this running back
23:05committee. Now, they might be extrapolating based on, you know, Rico Dao's relationship with Mike McCarthy when he did have over, you know, what
23:1212, 1100 total yards together. Um, but I I guess I get to the point with Jaylen Warren is he better catch a whole bunch
23:21of passes. Can he do it to the same level that Kenny Gainwell did last year who was like a legit downfield player?
23:28Are they going to use someone in that way when, you know, they added Michael Pitman this year? Probably not. But at
23:33the same time, obviously, we talked about the great Gretch stat that he posted that six running backs got 85 targets last season. Five are going in
23:40the top two rounds. The six was can you gain well? We know that Aaron Rogers always incorporates his running backs and stuff, but I'm just looking at
23:47touchdowns and Jaylen Warren hasn't scored a whole bunch of those inside the 20, inside the 10. And if that is like
23:53the real I think delineation in these sixth, seventh, eighth round running backs, uh I'm not sure he's going to have it, but he will have passing volume
24:03obviously to hopefully make up for it.
24:05>> I think just from when he was drafted by the Steelers versus what their offensive line is now, I think it's just a lot
24:12better. I mean, they have like two firstrounders that they can plug in uh at tackle at any point or kick them
24:19inside. Troy Fatano, Zack Frasier, those guys are really good players and then uh they've been able to to develop a bunch
24:26of these other types out there. Plus, you have Darnell uh Washington kind of clearing lane. So, um I think it's it's
24:32a function of of mostly like Aaron Rodgers. Uh, I think they have to get these running backs involved. And uh, I
24:38would just bet on the Steelers offensive line paving the way for um, these touches. And plus, just Rico Dow types, like at a certain point, the changing
24:47veteran grinder type, these guys like fall off a cliff sometimes. And if that happens, I I would I would not be that
24:54surprised. Uh, I'm going to use the same logic that you previously used as well where uh Parker Washington is going three spots after Jaylen Warren and I'm
25:01going to take Parker Washington 100 times ahead of Jaylen Mo.
25:05>> Yeah, I have not been in too many drafts where that's the decision like to all the drafts I'm in. Parker Washington's
25:11long gone, but maybe send me an invite.
25:13>> Next is Mike Evans. And actually, we're going to talk about some other 49ers here because it's interesting. You're ahead of me on Mike Evans and I'm ahead
25:20of you on Brock Party and George KD. I don't know how that logic makes sense, but let's try to figure it out. Okay. Uh
25:27I also don't think we've talked about Mike Evans one time this summer.
25:31>> So, let's do it cuz I I actually think it's an extremely important conversation. He is my 67th overall player and you just moved him down to
25:3860th >> overall. My issue with Mike Evans, uh right now he's not participating in training camp. It's a groin issue >> and that is after he had a quad issue
25:49already. I mean, reading between the lines, it seems like every time he tries to ramp up, he gets scaled back down
25:56again. And he already left practice twice this week. So, quad strain, groin strain, and we're not talking about groin strains with Bruce Hall or Tyler
26:05Warren or Bill Crosky Merritt. We're talking about a 33y old groin strain.
26:10And Hayden, we also haven't even discussed the hamstring that has kept him out for about four straight seasons for multiple games in each of those
26:19years. So, to me, we know that Mike Evans is a Hall of Fame talent. I would have loved a 27-year-old Mike Evans to
26:26be a part of a Kyle Shanahan offense, but we get a 33-year-old version of it that uh has barely touched the field
26:33this year, and that is highly, highly concerning for me for also a player that I mean, I think we can expect him to
26:40miss a handful of games because he has done that almost each of the last few seasons.
26:44>> There was also a stint where he had his foot and ankle wrapped and he wasn't able to practice. uh on that as well.
26:50So, it's like literally his entire lower half here. Plus, he had the the collar bone injury from last year. So, yeah,
26:56he's one if he stays healthy, he's gonna he's going to be pretty sweet. But, uh even then, I I I do wonder if they're
27:02going to like make him not an every down player. If they're going to, you know, try to keep him healthy for for parts of
27:09the season. Uh Deshawn Stribbling, your guy George KD coming back, CMC. Uh we'll see. I I'm equally nervous. there is kind of like a a pretty big tear break,
27:19you know, around Mike Evans in wide receiver land. So sometimes in like round five, uh he's like kind of like the best name available, but I never
27:27feel comfortable with him. And I think a lot of the running backs in that range I feel a little bit safer with. Um I
27:34thought he was fine last year. I didn't think that he was like the best player uh like he had been um in previous
27:40seasons.
27:40>> Yeah. And again, I am like 23 spots just at wide receiver. Not overall, just at wide receiver, ahead of the public in
27:47the market on Deshun Stribbling. Yeah.
27:50>> And then Mike Evans now just on Yahoo is going next to Jameson Williams, Christian Watson, and Roman Dunay. I'd rather take all three of those names
27:58ahead of Mike Evans. Like to me, he's almost on a do not draft list at this moment.
28:02>> Yeah. Yeah. All those younger guys I I like a lot more.
28:06>> Okay. Well, I'm still very into Brock Birdie and George KD. Um, again, you have Brock party 103rd. Ivan him 77th
28:16here. He's in that cluster of other quarterbacks to me that I think this is why uh he's this much higher than he is
28:26for you. Like I him ahead of Dak Prescott and Trevor Lawrence. Um it's simply put like this is a beat up group
28:33he played with last year. Offensive line skill room. He was beat up too and he still was what the quarterback five in
28:40points per game. I understand they had the easiest schedule in the NFL last year other than the New England Patriots. But what I love is in this
28:47offense he scores fantasy points and in this offense he throws down the field multiple times. He has led the NFL in
28:54terms of uh throws 10 or more yards down the field and uh he's healthy at this point. It's very different than
29:02hopefully he was last year. Uh, and if that's the case, I I still believe in him as kind of a pseudo gunslinger, even
29:08though he didn't have that mentality early on in his career.
29:10>> I I agreed with a lot of your analysis.
29:12I just like disagree with with how we're valuing it. I just can't put him ahead of uh like that entire tier group and
29:19I'm just like letting the board kind of fall to me where like just whoever's still available is going to be my
29:24quarterback. But I do think someone like Dak Prescott is just a full tier ahead.
29:29just looking at the weapons, the offensive line, uh I I just think it's just two totally different animals that we're working with with CD Lamb, George
29:36Pickkins, an entirely returning offensive line rather than what what Brock Party's deal dealing with. And I just think that Dak is still just a
29:42better quarterback in general. Uh so yeah, I'm fine with Brock Party. It's just I don't draft a lot of Mike Evans.
29:50Um I don't draft a whole lot of George KD, which we'll get to. So there's not that many times where like I'm forced
29:55into like stacking up Brock Perie and I I draft like a lot of the other um wide receivers that are attached to the
30:03quarterbacks that go around him. So like to me quarterback's easy this year. I'm waiting and then I'm stacking and I don't really have to like nail the exact
30:11rankings. These guys kind of all are pretty similar to me and I just want to stack my quarterbacks and I'm not going
30:16to force the issue with Brock Birdie versus somebody else.
30:18>> Yeah. I mean, as we talked about in the round by round analysis of our favorite picks, like I'm taking the guy that's
30:25falling here, whether it be Pertie, Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence, or Bon Knicks, like I'm happy to do that. But again, if I'm prioritizing striveling,
30:33if I'm taking George KD uh and happy with him like around ahead of where he's going right now, which yeah, by the way,
30:38I think that is going to extremely change over the next couple weeks, then um then yeah, I do end up with Brock
30:45Party because I am already drafting his stacking options. Just quickly on KD, um, when they played together, he has a team high in terms of end zone targets
30:54at 33%, 2.18 yards per route run, which ranked third among tight ends last year.
30:59You know, he's third in fantasy points per route. He's an animal. He's a freak.
31:03I think he is one of these guys that uh is just built different and despite his age, comes back from these injuries at a
31:09high level. And to the point that you said before, he's very easy to pair if you have some early season concerns with
31:17Jawan Johnson, for example. And so if I am out on Mike Evans and I'm in on Brock Perie, then I need to also be in on the
31:24likes of George KD and Strippling because I believe in this offense and I believe that the passing game is still going to be successful. And if Evans
31:32isn't going to do it >> to the degree that other people think he is, then I think KD and Stribbling are
31:37going to do it for them.
31:38>> Yeah. To me, the KD one's fascinating because it just comes down to like how healthy he is and like he's gonna be out
31:44there early on. Is he gonna be out there in a full-time capacity or anywhere near that? Uh I I'm maybe more skeptical than
31:51many people with that. And then also he's never been an elite like volume guy. He's just been the best and like
31:57the highest efficient uh player in the entire league. And I think that's asking a lot. So, he he either needs to just be
32:06as good as he was before the injury, which is I think it's asking a lot, or his volume has to come up, and I'm just
32:12not sure if this would be the season where all of a sudden his volume's going to come up. So, you should like start uh
32:17dinging down his efficiency numbers and like kind of keep his volume kind of where it is. It's hard for me to make
32:22the math work. Now, your point is he's been an outlier forever and he's just going to do it again. And that is
32:29possible, but I think that we're kind of pushing this pretty far now. talking about a what 30 almost 33 year old uh in
32:379 months uh from his Achilles surgery will be week one. Um and I think that's uh it's possible that he returns there
32:44but I would just guess like the first half of the season he's going to be like ramping up and by that point it's a
32:49little bit too late.
32:50>> Do you have Harold Fannon still over >> I do KD?
32:54>> I do. I think that I think that the target difference between the two is going to be um pretty substantial. Um I
32:59don't have like those guys like that far apart anymore. moving KD to me. Someone like Sam Leapa, Kyle Pittz, like those are the ones where I
33:09just think that there's like way more upside well ahead of George KD.
33:15>> Yeah. Um I think that Dalton Concade versus George KD's fascinating. Dalton Concaid is healthy right now. He's also awesome on a per route basis. Um and
33:25he's the younger player. Both offenses are good. So I think George KD versus Concaid's interesting. Uh, I would just rather take the player not coming off
33:32the tornles.
33:34>> Interesting. I think with the concaid stuff is in the last few years he has supposed to have been the go-to player
33:42for them and now DJ Moore is going to be the go-to player for them.
33:46>> Maybe. Yeah, I think DJ Moore is going to be a factor there. I also think that Dalton Concade has been playing through
33:52like a ton of injuries over the over the years. And I do wonder if like now that he's healthy right now going into the
33:57year if he's going to be like able to be a bigger part of that offense. Um plus you just have like different uh like the
34:04the fact that the offensive coordinator is now the head coach and stuff. I do wonder if they're going to kind of
34:08soften some of the stuff that maybe McDermott wasn't comfortable with with Dalton Concade. Maybe the offensive mind's like, "Dude, we're trying to put
34:15up points here and we're going to pass the ball and Don Concade is going to be a big part of that." every single time
34:19he's out on the route. I think I do think that Dalton Concade is an awesome tight end. It's just only when he's out
34:24on the route.
34:25>> He runs routes. He's just not on the field as much. But maybe that changes like you said.
34:29>> That's that's that's kind of what I'm hoping for with him.
34:32>> Okay. Yeah, I'm still 13 spots uh from George KD to Harold Fannon, hiring KD because um I mean I think the 49ers are
34:42going to score way more points than than the Browns. And we have talked about how Harold Fannon last year really got home
34:49because he was the only dependable pass catcher on that team and he was the easy button on that offense and I don't think
34:55he's going to be the easy button on that offense anymore. That's case up to you.
34:59>> Yeah. The other thing that the 49ers this year are projected for 25 points.
35:02There's been a lot of seasons where they've been like close to like 30 points when KD's been getting home. And um I do think I'm pretty nervous about
35:10the 49ers just in general. Like it's another one of these like pretty fragile offenses where like I would not be surprised like this is the first time
35:16ever like they finished outside the top 10 in scoring just because of how fragile everything is.
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36:12Saturday, August 29th at 3 p.m. Okay, let's talk more tight ends then because you have Isaiah likely highest among everyone at Yahoo at 108th overall. Um,
36:23interesting though, you are the lowest on the quarterback.
36:27I have Isaiah likely 137th overall. So, uh, talk to me about Isaiah likely and what you love about him this year. Yeah,
36:35this to me is just about the other wide receivers that are that are out there.
36:40It's going to be like Malachi Fields and Darius Sllayton in a part-time role and Isaiah likely is going to be out there
36:46for almost all of the passing snaps. Um, and he's going to be out in the route.
36:53It's just be like him, neighbors, and fields because like they're going to have like, you know, a second tight end or um a Patrick Ricard, one of those
37:01types out there. And in the preseason whenever they were passing the ball, he was like a a slot wide receiver. Like he
37:09was never had his hand in the dirt. And I just think the Giants are going to have some some games where they're going
37:15to have to pass the ball late. And they paid him a lot of money. And there's some familiarity uh with this. and he's
37:22been so dominant in training camp that um I'm willing to like somewhat ignore the preseason week one usage from him which was I think moderately concerning
37:31and just look around the room here and like you know NFL offense is still passed the ball a lot and I'm not going
37:38to pencil in Malachi Fields and Darius Sllayton for more than a couple catches per game and they signed Isaiah likely for that for that reason. So, um, some I
37:48know some are a lot higher than I than I am with Isaiah Lakey. I still think this is a pretty rock solid price for him.
37:54>> Yeah, I I think we agree that he's going to probably be the second leading receiver on the Giants. I'm just
38:00concerned at how valuable that's going to be on a team that has told us all offseason they're going to run run run.
38:06And I don't want to kind of overestimate how much of a fantasy impact or an impact overall that the second leading
38:15pass catcher on the Giants is going to be. Like Travis Kelce last year was a full-time player. I even think Travis
38:22Kelce in his current form still is a better player than Isaiah Likely was. He was playing for Matt Naggie last year
38:27and Travis Kelce finished with like 9.1 fantasy points. Um, I think Isaiah likely is gonna play fewer snaps than Travis Kelce did last year, and I'm kind
38:37of just not in the business of really recommending part-time tight ends. Um, so this team has Theo Johnson, they have
38:47Chris Vanherz, they have Patrick Ricard, they have Isaiah Likely. So yes, when they have Likely and another tight end on the field, that will mean good things
38:56for Isaiah Likely because again, he's the second best pass catcher out there.
38:59I also think there's going to be a number of snaps where he's not on the field and they can run and pass in in
39:05those situations. So, I kind of wonder if we even get like a Cal Pitts rookie season from him in a way where it's
39:12like, oh, we get a thousand yards, but then he's also the tight end 10 because he doesn't score touchdowns or he has
39:17fewer yards and maybe scores one or two extra touchdowns than that. I I just I guess I'm concerned overall of how
39:24valuable this Giant second best pass catcher is going to be in the grand scheme of things when we look back on
39:28the season >> if he gets a thousand yards. But that's that's a W. That I'm not expecting even that. That would be that would be
39:34amazing. Uh other thing Theo Johnson left practice yesterday. Uh apparently he uh threw his helmet, ripped his glo
39:43uh gloves off, and then uh had to be um pushed away with with trainers. So, we'll see. So, we're getting to the
39:50point of the the calendar where there's some some of these mystery injuries which I have no idea what it's what it's
39:55going to be about. But the second we start losing a blocking tight end, then they're going to have to like be out
39:59there for for all the snaps. And at that point, uh the number two target uh that would be playing in a like a really
40:05really heavy role, I think, is too too good to ignore.
40:08>> Again, the team that has told us over and over and over again that they're going to run the football, I'm just not
40:15exactly sure how big of a deal their second best pass catcher is going to be.
40:18Yeah, I I have him as of the tight end 12. So, it to me, this is just the part of the draft where the Yahoo ADPs like
40:25normalize.
40:27I'm still trying to figure out why every tight end on Yahoo goes like two or three rounds, sometimes even more than
40:33that earlier than anywhere else. Um, so it's like always just like shocking to me to like get into the Yahoo draft and
40:38then like all the players I'm used to drafting in like the eighth and ninth round are like now fifth round picks.
40:43I'm like, what am I supposed to do with that?
40:44>> Right. Just overall though, like I have it Jawan Johnson, then Dallas Goddard, then Andrew Strange, Jake Ferguson, and then Isaiah Likely. So, he's in that
40:54same tier, the last four names I just mentioned, but all those guys are full-time players compared to Isaiah Likely. And that's why he's at the end
41:02of the group for me. Yeah, he's just more like the mystery box where like there's a chance that he can kind of
41:06like uh get out of like that like tight end two upside kind of tier where like he could just be such a big part of the
41:13pass game uh because they argue though that all those guys have already escaped the tight end who mystery box for stretches
41:20>> previously of their season.
41:21>> Yeah, I I think like those are those are a lot of like older players and um I think Isaiah likely is in the prime of
41:29his career. Okay, next is Xavier Worthy.
41:33I have him 139th. You have him 113th.
41:36Talk to me. Why are you into Xavier Worthy in the year of 2026?
41:40>> Well, I have not watched Rashi Rice uh, you know, run without a limp. Xavier Worthy's coming back from practice, but
41:47that was like a more mild shoulder injury rather than, you know, he wasn't rehabbing his knee in jail, for example.
41:53So, I just feel better about Xavier Worthy coming back to the practice field rather than Rashi Rice. I've just noticed the Chiefs offense both in the
42:02training camp reports and then what they've shown on preseason. This is going to be a like under center play action and then throw some deep passes
42:09type of offense. And I do think that Xavier Worthy has a much better chance uh in that uh situation. And I'm I'm
42:15just very skeptical that Rashi Rice is going to be as target dominant as he was. Same thing with Travis Kelce. And
42:21if you're look looking around that that tier, there's a lot of wide receivers that are on like, you know, pretty bad
42:27offenses around him. And I think that Xavier Worthy, uh, he's at least attached to a to an offense that's always going to be like top 10 or just
42:35about, uh, top 10. So, we'll see. Year three, lot lots riding on him. This entire last season, if you wanted to,
42:42you can press the the ignore button because they were forcing him into a role that they did not want him to be in
42:47because of the injury. Um, and at some point I think they have to like let go of the of those kind of um the ways that
42:55they're hiding them and see what they actually have with Xavier Worthy. So I think it's just a pure dart throw. Um,
43:00and after Matthew Golden's gone, Xavier Worth is one of these names or like I think he's gonna be a full-time player.
43:05>> I think he has proven he's quite a bad downfield wide receiver in the NFL. And from he's like a nine yard underneath
43:12wide receiver so far in his career. I mean, he's caught four of 16 20 plus yard targets last year, seven of 21 the
43:18year before that. I mean, he was four of 13 the intermediate section again back in 2024. I think there are some physical
43:24limitations to him where these NFL corners just don't allow him to play fast. They force him to play at their speed and you need to be, you know, more
43:33than speed to be a vertical pass catcher down the field. He has three games of reaching 80 yards receiving over 34 in
43:40his career so far. Um, and then yeah, the Erkolano stat in games where Rashi Rice has played, Xavier Worthy has averaged 2.7 catches per game. So Xavier
43:50Worthy right now is the one who's not in team drills and Rashi Rice is the one who's in team drills.
43:54>> Yeah, I I think those that's just a totally different styled offense. Like if we think this is going to be the
43:59Kenneth Walker show under center, then I think a lot of the ways that Rashi Rice was getting the ball to was because they
44:05didn't have that type. And when you do have that type, players like Xavier Worthy become uh a little bit more effective. So, we'll see. I'm I think
44:13I'm I'm okay rolling the dice on a player that played through injury the entire previous season. And every single one of those stats, those are included
44:21when he was just not uh healthy uh in those seasons. And if that gets kind of squared away, then maybe that those data
44:27points were just like not uh all that exciting to to be using as we, you know, project forward for a season where I'm
44:34I'm expecting him to be healthier this year than he was uh last year for sure.
44:37>> Yeah. I also believe that Taekquin Thornton has shown himself to be a better downfield connection than Xavier Worthy has been throughout like again
44:45the 34 games with Patrick Mahomes.
44:47>> Yeah, Patrick Mahomes has missed Xavier Worthy. That can't happen.
44:49>> Yeah. No, I mean he's missed everyone.
44:51He's missed everyone down the field over the last couple years.
44:54>> I would say a lot of those downfield numbers that you're citing, um, I can look at those and be like, well, Pat M
45:00just puts it on the money. We're looking at 80 yard touchdowns.
45:02>> I think a lot is a stretch. I think Xavier Worthy has really struggled to get down the field against physical
45:07corners. Like to me, he just kind of gets bodied in those situations.
45:11>> Yeah. I don't disagree. We're talking about the wide receiver 50some in in drafts.
45:16>> Yeah. Well, you wanted to talk about him. This this was a name that you brought up.
45:21Yeah, I'm saying the Chiefs full-time player. Let's see what happens. Former firstrounder.
45:26>> Let's see what happens.
45:27>> Okay, we'll close these out with uh I guess a wide receiver and Travis Hunter.
45:32You have him 163rd. And that's really the talking point here is you have him 163rd. So like that is fringing on your
45:38top 150 overall players. For me, I'm not really like because with Yahoo, we have to factor in these defenses and kickers.
45:45So like his ranking of 200ish for me like doesn't matter here. But uh why why do you even have Travis Hunter close to
45:52the top 150 which to me is like what everyone from home should be drafting off of? Like there's a chance Yeah. that
45:57they end up with Travis Hunter at the end of their drafts if they use your rankings.
46:01>> Perfect. I mean most players around him are going to score nothing and they're can't be relied upon and I think that's
46:08going to happen with Travis Hunter until it doesn't until there's an injury. By the way, Jacobe Meyers like mystery injury. Don't know what the hell it is.
46:14No one has a good idea what the the exact injury is. Um, and that's all it takes for Travis Hunter to become uh
46:22somebody that they really need. I think that his wide receiver film is very good. And the second he's in the starting lineup and he's a a player
46:29that's getting more than 50% of the snaps, I think he's going to be very intriguing. So, he's almost like a a
46:34contingent running back. We draft a lot of contingent running backs. Um, not a lot of those contingent running backs were the second overall pick uh in the
46:42NFL draft. I think there's a lot of talent with him and he's just waiting for somebody to go down with an injury
46:46and he's going to be forced out of there or Jacksonville just says we're getting this guy on on the field and this guy is
46:52actually one of the most unique players uh to to ever enter the NFL. So with the last pick in your draft, I'm okay
46:59waiting a month figuring out figuring if it's going to work or not. And if I lose out on, you know, Brian Robinson Jr. or
47:07something like that, so be it.
47:08>> Yeah, I mean I would love for him to play more wide receiver. Uh he's awesome at it. I really feel like last year
47:14there was a sliding doors moment that if he did play more then he would be almost locked into the starting one of the
47:22starting wide receiver jobs this year.
47:23But the injury did happen last year and to me the Jaguars have shown like very little inclination of adding snaps to
47:32wide receiver and in fact Hayden I think they're drastically taking them away.
47:35Um, Travis Hunter spent the vast majority of his reps over the last week at quarterback according to our guy John Shipley. He did not spend a single 11 on
47:44111 rep on offense on Sunday, for example. That was with Jacobe Myers hurt. So, if we look at the depth chart
47:50and we read some of the beat writers, they're saying that Travis Hunter is basically only working at X and that is
47:57as Brian Thomas Jr.'s direct backup and that's it. um in the joint practices, which you know, I think for a lot of
48:04these teams, especially someone like Travis Hunter, who we're not going to see probably for a single snap in preseason. Um maybe we should read into
48:09that more than any of these preseason games for the Jaguars. He had 28 snaps on defense and two on offense. Now, that
48:17is notable. They were splitting the field, so it was just offense on one side and defense on the other, and they're going back and forth and all
48:23that type of stuff.
48:24>> Yeah.
48:25>> But, uh yeah, I mean, I think he's the Jaguars quarterback one. I know the season's extremely long and if he does
48:30line up as a starting wide receiver and I think he's capable of doing it, then I'd be really excited. But again,
48:37despite what Travis Hunter and Liam Cohen and James Gladstone have said, I think their actions have spoken so far this off season that Travis Hunter is
48:46going to see the vast vast vast majority of his snaps on defense. I think they've told him to put on weight because they
48:53want him to play a ton of snaps and I think that's means on both sides of the ball. Um I think that the scrimmage
48:59stuff I I don't know how the layout of the practice is like it might have literally been impossible because they were scrimmaging on both sides of the
49:06field and stuff like I just don't know what that that split could be. That could be total nothing burger. Um Brian
49:11Thomas left with an injury today.
49:13Jacob's banged up right now. like this is how all of a sudden if BR if he was a full-time player in this offense, we
49:19would be drafting him in the fifth round and like we're not that far away from that happening because one of any of the
49:26three wide receivers going down in front of him would unlock the potential for him to get out there and then there's
49:31also just the potential for him to play both sides of the ball and that's it. Um and he'd be a totally unique player if
49:37that happens. But I agree with you, season is long and that's why I want to hold on to Travis Hunter with my my last
49:42pick. I think he's going to be tough to hang on to if he's not playing wide receiver in week one or week two or week
49:48three at the end of your bench and like we have these waiverss and everything of players that are showing out and all
49:52that type of stuff. So to me, he's kind of a tough pick to hang on to that you do make in your final round.
49:57>> Yeah, obviously depends on how how big your league is. There's also just like too many wide receivers I just don't see
50:03like the true upside of them connecting on. So, like, you know, it's it's kind of like the the Trey Harris uh we'll see
50:10about like Debo Samuel, Pat Bryant, like these type of guys get drafted ahead of him. Like, Rasheed Shahid, like what's I
50:17like Rasheed Jahed, but he's only going to get so many targets per game. Like, I just don't see the pathway for for a lot
50:23of the guys in front of them to get enough volume where they're going to like be consistent top 30 assets. And
50:30we're one injury away from Travis Hunter, I think, being one of those guys. So, it's kind it's just like the would you rather have Kenny Gainwell or
50:37Tank Bsby debate. It's like the same exact thing at wide receiver. And I'm always on the side of the Tank Bigs
50:43where if something goes our way, we have like a league winner rather than someone that was like moderately helpful in helping you out.
50:50>> I mean, it is on my radar that the dude had no idea where to line up for the first seven weeks of last year and then
50:56he has spent these last week and a half doing almost solely defensive work. And so then asking him to know exactly where
51:05to line up in any of these three wide receiver spots seems like a stretch to me. So I kind of understand it from
51:10their perspective. If he's only learning X and he's the direct backup to Brian Thomas Junior. And so if BTJ misses time
51:17or gets traded or whatever, then yes, I am allin. But again, for someone that seemed kind of overwhelmed and it made
51:26sense based on his college days, um I'm not sure if I've and it doesn't seem like they're comfortable with him being
51:31like, "Oh, Jacob's out. You're just going to play Jacobe spot or Parker Washington's out, you're just going to play in his spot." Like I'm not sure if
51:37they're there yet with him right now.
51:39>> Yeah. Well, learn this just to me just like all about the the upside play. And I think in reddraft like that's the best
51:43that's a really good spot to to be in because you're not going to play them until you feel comfortable with it. I
51:48think we would have the signs that like they're they're ready to to unleash them. And I think that's going to be due
51:52to injury if anything else. But, you know, how many teams have their top three wide receivers stay healthy the entire season? This doesn't happen very
51:59often.
51:59>> Yeah. You and I also really disagree on Rashid. Like I have him 126th. I'm the highest of the group and then you have
52:04him 145th. I think this could be like a real Rashahed breakout. Uh now, who knows if the Seahawks are going to be as
52:11good as they were last year as the most efficient, you know, offplay action, all that type of stuff, but I think it was a
52:16tall ask for him to hit the ground running after being traded mid-season for a team that was already winning a whole bunch of games, uh despite knowing
52:25Clint Kubak's offense. And obviously now it's Brian Flurry calling passes or calling plays. Um but I think it's quite easy for him to overtake Cooper Cup in
52:35this offense. And Tory Horton's already injured. Yeah.
52:37>> And so Oh, yeah. Uh I think Rasheed Jied is >> one of my favorite late round wide receiver picks right now. 100%.
52:45>> Yeah. I I think he is the same thing with talking about defenses and kickers and whatnot and in my rankings where uh
52:51maybe I'm a little bit more aggressive on those positions than Rasheed Sheet. I think Rasheed it's not even close versus Cooper Cup. It's like not even close.
52:58>> Right.
52:58>> Yeah.
52:59>> Right. Yeah. He's kind of maybe like one of the I think quiet winners of the offseason that he's getting zero work
53:05mainly because of you know barely playing but uh I highly doubt he barely plays this year. So I'm excited to see
53:13what Rashidi does.
53:14>> Um okay I think that does it.
53:17>> Um >> beautiful.
53:18>> The next show is your least favorite pick in every single round. We already have our favorite pick in every single
53:26round. Both those videos are already on the channel. My version of that comes out on Sunday. And then while I'm out
53:32away up in Buffalo, New York, uh which by the way, Dick's House of Sport, all of you can come join me and Matt Harmon
53:40and Justin Boon there on uh Saturday for a live show. Um you're going to have some guests on for Thursday, correct?
53:47>> I am. Jacob and Sam from the Waverwire shows a previous. They're coming on.
53:51We're doing like a little truth serum.
53:53Just like let it rip. Uh don't be afraid of being wrong. Just let it rip. Give me the the actual truth. and those guys uh
53:58aren't afraid of doing that. So, I'm excited for it.
54:01>> Love that. It's going to be an awesome show. I'll definitely watch it while I am away. Um you all have been watching
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