0:00Oh yes, it is mock draft day. Not just me, not just Hayden, not just producer Weaves, but nine of you. Yes, I sent out
0:08a feeler. I sent out a tweet and nine lovely people from this community, from our viewership joined in on this mock
0:15draft. It is full PPR. You've been asking for that. Two running backs, two wide receivers, and two flexs with no kickers in defense. Hayden, how you
0:23feeling?
0:23>> Feeling good. I see that we have Beef Candy has joined uh the mock craft with us. [laughter] Happy to have Beef Candy
0:28here. Uh yeah, full PPR. And then Josh, I was looking around the the draft board here and then in the dropdowns, I see
0:35that you could have our rankings individually right there on the site. So you guys can choose if you want Josh's rankings, my rankings, the consensus
0:43around Yahoo's rankings, or just, you know, the default rankings.
0:46>> Yeah, this this is why you need Yahoo Plus because you get to decide if you want to pick from Hayden's brain, or my
0:52brain. Uh and we get a notification every single time uh who picks who. So I better be in the lead of that one. Or,
0:59you know, you can pick from Harmon or Pianowski or Justin Smith at the same time. That might be that might be smart
1:04as well to get a different opinion than what we have. Yeah, I'm going to be zooming in and figuring out the draft
1:09board and everything else as we go along. We're about to kick off here. Um, some amazing names in this group. Stun a
1:15Goat Fins Up the Villa. Why Banana Elway again nine of you and if you autodraft, uh, you're banished to the Shadow Realm
1:23for eternity. So, that better not happen to those people. But, yeah, I can't wait to do this. Uh it's really our first
1:28draft I think together since maybe June.
1:31So uh we'll see. I mean we're going to talk through even more training camp updates that have happened since the last 24 hours that we have uh you know
1:39gone through an entire show. So uh this is going to be a good one to to figure out for sure. Since the vast majority of
1:44our conversation is about half PPR, how much does it change your strategy from the eight spot uh in full PPR?
1:50>> I think it's kind of twofold. It's also how many wide receivers/ flex spots do you have? If they're only starting two
1:55wide receivers, which is the Yahoo default, then that's makes the those wide receivers less valuable. If there's now in our league, we have four up to
2:03four wide receivers, up to four running backs, it kind of evens out. But a half PPR makes the quarterbacks devalued and
2:08then in the first round or so, you can kind of break ties like an Ammon Rob versus a Jonathan Taylor, like those
2:13type of things by all means. But still, there is some level of scarcity with the running back points in the first couple
2:19rounds. I mean, I think the seven spot might be the most difficult for me if I want to get one of those wide receivers
2:24that falls. But then the tear break typically for me is is it happens with the running backs on the board.
2:30>> Um, so I would love for Aman Rosen Brown to fall to the next spot, but if not, then I get one of the two sweet running
2:37backs. I I guess though from our conversation of like how we would view the top 15, then after this CMC John
2:43Taylor tier, but I guess maybe full PPR, you might put Justin Jefferson in that top spot too. Yeah, I think I'm moving
2:48Justin Jefferson down a little bit just because like there's at least some risk that Kyler's not going to be out there
2:52the the whole season just because of the training camp seems like to be a little bit more even than I was expecting. I
2:57still think it's going to be largely Kyler Murray. So, um I just really warmed up like the Kenneth Walker types out there. So, uh to me, these are the
3:04first six picks I think and then I would have Christian McCaffrey as the clear seventh best uh option in in full PPR.
3:12And then once you get after that, um I'm still probably going to be looking at Jonathan Taylor, eighth overall, even though he's not like a full PPR type. Um
3:21he still is really awesome uh in the format if the the Colts can keep moving.
3:25>> Yeah, I just took CMC the the first six as Hayden referred to. Jamir Gibbs, Jamar Chase, Bejan, Puka, Jason, and
3:31Aman R St. Brown. But we just talked about the 49ers. Uh, I mean, if more and more of them are already getting banged
3:37up, then that's just more and more of the stuff that continues to be funneled in CMC's direction, just like last year.
3:42>> Yeah, it's the same type of thing. We got dribbling. He's apparently back at practice. That's a that's a win. George
3:47KD is ramping up a little bit. Mike Evans still daytoday. And then obviously Debo Samuel looks, I think, all things considered, pretty good. So, uh, still a
3:56long ways away till week one. So, don't want to like completely um ignore training camp uh injuries, but also, you know, you don't get fantasy points on
4:04August 6th.
4:05>> As much as we would like to, we do not get fantasy points on August 6th. Okay.
4:10I guess I can ask that same strategy question from round one to round two as we're about to get into round two. By
4:17the way, producer Weeds is in the 11th spot here if you want to pay attention to the picks that he makes. Um, so often
4:23we love the running back running back starts. Does your mindset change here when we get a full point per reception?
4:28>> Um, a little bit, but nothing too much.
4:30Like if you're at the back half of of round one, early round two, it's it's pretty much all wide receivers. I think
4:37Brock Bowers becomes interesting. Uh, when we have two flexes like this, you can start up to four running backs.
4:41Like, by all means, if you can start four running backs, I still like that strategy as well. So, I think that's
4:46just it's it's not I'd say it's equally as important how many positions are starting as if it's half PPR versus full.
4:53>> Okay. as we go along here. It's not necessarily going to be exactly a pickby-pick conversation. I I do want to
4:59update some things that have happened over the last few days. And hey, I think number one is a player that we've talked
5:06about so often this summer that we are well above ADP on and that is Jaylen Wadd. Uh we got a, you know, practice
5:14video from the sidelines of him limping.
5:17Now, since then, Shawn Payeyton has come out and said it's just a strain and he should be back in practice in four or
5:22five days. But, uh, do you think that's an optimistic limit that coach Payton is putting things through?
5:28>> I mean, if he's returning in four or five days while he's limping, I would just say, what's the point of returning
5:33that quickly? This seems like maybe it could be a multi-week thing. But once again, it's still only August 6. Don't want to move him down too much. But
5:40these are the type of things as we get closer that I do want to start reacting to. Like when somebody has a legitimate
5:46injury right before the season and like uh I'm not concerned about Jaylen Waddler learning the playbook. He's a veteran. he's had all offseason to kind
5:53of figure that out. The timing and stuff, they'll get that all sorted out.
5:57But as we get closer, I just remember like the Darnell Mooney injury and stuff like some of these missing training camp
6:02is a big deal. We we have learned that over the last few seasons.
6:05>> Huge deal. So like I think like you missing one or two weeks, I don't think that's big as big of a deal. But if
6:09we're talking about like uh Kenyan Sadi for example, who's going to miss almost all of it up to week one and stuff and
6:15it's a it's a setback to an injury he's already been dealing with. I don't like these setbacks and missing time. Mai
6:21Lemon's kind of in that area, too. So, I think those are the bigger ones. The Jaylen Wadd is such a big deal because
6:26like I've been drafting him so much.
6:27>> Yeah. And specifically on Wadd, he has kind of been one of these players so far that even if he doesn't miss games, he
6:33does get banged up a lot, like leaves halfway through contests that >> uh he's one of these that you think if
6:38he could just stay healthy, he'd be so good. And then this happening right now, and we have four weeks until the season
6:42starts, right? So, there is some time, >> but we definitely just want him to be healthy as we go through. Okay. You did
6:47take Brock Bowers just before me. Why?
6:48Uh, I think in full PPR is the best time to be drafting Brock Bowers and especially in reddraft just because it's
6:54it can be so maddening try to playing the the touchdown or bust game uh every single week. And I think that there's a
7:00pretty clear drop off after the top eight tight ends in fantasy this year.
7:04Then you get into your like aging veterans uh or players coming off of injuries or sometimes both there. And I feel good about the top eight. Um, but
7:12uh I do think that Brock Bowers has like just as good of odds as like the Nico Collins, George Pickkins, AJ Brown types
7:18of having well over a thousand yards, 100 catches. Um, and I think that the drop off at tight end is pretty
7:25significant versus the wide receivers that you'd be getting in like rounds 7 8 9 10 11 12.
7:30>> I'm in a big dilemma with 10 seconds left. Amaran Hampton or Drake London?
7:34Um, I'm gonna go Drake London.
7:39I'm gonna go Drake London. Like I love the running back running back starts. I think I'm more optimistic than most people on Marian Hampton. Like I
7:46understand the flaws in his game, but just the system they say with Mike McDaniel, but at the same time, even if
7:52the Falcons are projected for low points, even if it is to a tongue of Aloa, I I do trust them enough to funnel
7:58so much in the direction of Drake London as an outside to inside player that if it was half PPR, I would have taken a
8:04Hampton. Since it's full, I am taking Drake London. Well, also we have Falcons defensive uh injuries where you one of their first round picks might not be
8:11able to play because you he's probably going to to prison eventually. And then their other one Jaylen Walker just tore his ACL. I'm very nervous about the
8:18Falcons in general. Like this team is could be picking in the top five. Their defense could not be nearly as good as
8:23it was this this previous season. And in that scenario, Drake London is going to catch a million passes.
8:28>> Okay, just to go through some double-ups here to start at the 12 spot, it's James Cook and Ken Walker. Weaves at the 11
8:36with Squan Barkley and Devon Achan >> love it.
8:39>> Justin Jefferson and Chase Brown, CD Lamb and Ashton Genty, Jonathan Taylor, Brock Bowers, Christian McCaffrey, Drake London, Aman Ross Brown and Nico JSN and
8:48AJ Brown. So, I I love that we have some of these starts that are two two running backs and then two two wide receiver
8:55starts. And we'll see how that pans out once we get to like that round four, five territory where you really are,
9:01>> you know, doubling up on the wide receiver or running back conversation and and doing some this then that statements for each. I think the
9:10interesting part around the beginning like of the the of the draft when you're deciding between Bejon versus Puka for example, a lot of the running backs do
9:19kind of dry up at the two-3 turn like in this one Derrick Henry does fall which is more likely to happen in full PPR but
9:25in half PPR he never falls that far. And you are kind of looking at a bunch of wide receiver Trey McBride at the two
9:31three turns. Like I want to rank Puka like first overall because I I think he's going to go absolutely crazy this
9:36year, but at the same time I know I'm going to have a bunch of wide receivers to pick at the 2-3 turn that I do think
9:42still taking Jir Gibbs and Bejon does make sense.
9:46>> Malik Neighbors just went about 10 spots ahead of ADP at the 301. Smart.
9:51>> Yeah, definitely smart. I feel more encouraged about this every single day.
9:54Uh I was listening to Bobby Skinner and and Jordan uh Ron and they like what they see at practice.
10:01>> It's one of those that even if he doesn't play like a single snap in preseason, that's fine. Like that might
10:07limit him from going in the second round, but just staying healthy could place him anywhere from I think like the 301 to the 311 where he is right now.
10:15>> Yeah. Just based off of what I've seen in practice, I think that Malik Neighbors looks a little bit better than
10:19Rashid Rice. And I know that Malik Neighbors is infinitely better than Rashid Rice. Um, >> well, one one got his rehab work in a
10:26training room and the other one got it in a jail cell.
10:29>> It does matter, I've heard.
10:31>> Yeah. I mean, again, the round two, three wide receivers are some of our favorites. And then the round four, five
10:36wide receivers are are some of our favorites as well. So, we'll see if I regret not taking a second running back
10:41here, but uh, you know, Franklin, not such a bad consolation prize. Um, I'm wondering, Nope, Javvante Williams. I think that's somewhat of the pickle that
10:50you get into someone who doesn't, you know, have a whole bunch of pass catching in their repertoire, but you did start off with JSN and AJ Brown out
10:58of the five slot here.
10:59>> Yeah, Javant's not going to add too many receptions this year. Jaylen Blues coming on, he didn't catch that many passes last year and was like extremely
11:04inefficient on them. You're drafting Javvante Lewis for all the touchdowns.
11:07Um, I think that he's still a good pick.
11:09He's typically goes a little bit later than this. I personally would rather have Bree Hall especially in full PPR see that he's going to be more involved
11:16in that area and like this is where it becomes interesting with the Trey McBride uh and Josh Allen of it all. I
11:22think that Brock Bowers is a tier above above those two options. But yeah, >> uh with Josh Allen, it's the consistency
11:29but the opportunity cost and then with Trey McBride, it's just can he survive even more target competition and probably even worse quarterback play
11:37this year. U but man, he was awesome last year. Yeah, I mean he's the falling name right now. He's going around the
11:42212 typically on on Yahoo and uh Trey McBride is still on the board here if pick 31 overall. Um and I'm not going to
11:51take him. I'm I'm still not taking Trey McBride here. I'm going to force you to make the decision if you want to go
11:56Brock Bowers and Trey McBride. Um >> I won't >> I'm going to go with S Flowers. Like I It's one of these things that you can
12:03talk yourself into and I already have of just a reset. And I'm not saying Todd Monkin was a bad play caller. he really
12:09transformed this offense. But Zay Flowers with a new contract, with new eyes on everything, and just with the lack of, you know, Isaiah likely and
12:17other tight ends on the roster here, like all Z Flowers has to do is score three or four more red zone touchdowns.
12:24And if he gets to like five or six, like just double up the 10 targets he got inside the red zone last year up to 20
12:30of them this year. And we have like a legit entirely new fantasy football lens that we've used a Flowers from.
12:37>> Yeah, I I totally agree with this. So, I feel very good about Z Flowers. 34 uh turn is is really where I I rank him. Uh
12:44there's so many wide receivers, but with like Jaylen Wadd injured, I would never pick Waddle over Z Flowers at this point. Same thing with like a Mecca, uh
12:51he still has to prove it a little bit more than Z Flowers. So, uh plus sign that huge contract, they got to make it
12:57uh look good. Um and I think that the difference would just be the touchdowns.
13:00>> And I'm not saying the touchdowns have to happen for him to have a good season.
13:03like he just has to return what he did last year to have a good season at his ADP. I'm saying to get him into the top
13:1010 scores at the position to get to double digit touchdowns, which he really hasn't come close to in previous years.
13:16>> The Mark Andrews reports out of training camp have not been good. I didn't think that his tape was very good. I still
13:21think Mark Andrews is like a fine enough dart throw if you're really punting it off just because he can catch 10
13:26touchdowns and not even be good and that's all you kind of need here. But in terms of like target share and stuff,
13:31it's really looking like it's going to be all Z Flowers in this offense.
13:35>> So, we talk about strategy a lot. We will talk about even more strategy as we go along this summer. Um, when you let
13:40the board come to you and when you have I think such a flexible roster construction here with two running backs, two wide receivers, and two flex
13:49here. I I think I am probably trending just knowing how boards typically fall to having like that running back two spot kind of be my weakness and loading
13:58up at my wide receiver, wide receiver, number one running back and then the two flex is probably at wide receiver.
14:03>> Yeah, there's a million ways to to I like these types of leagues where there's a lot of freedom uh to the
14:08construction.
14:09>> I love more flexes rather than locking you into like three wide receivers or >> it does make it more fun. It does make
14:14it more fun. Josh Allen's the one that's falling. His ADP is at 20th overall.
14:18This is the type of league when you're in full PPR adding an extra flex where his value does decrease uh the most. At
14:25some point here, we're going to be looking at players that you just don't feel great about. But, uh I think our
14:30our mock draft here is pretty sharp that he's the one that's falling right now.
14:33>> They're all listeners, Hayden. Like, we're we're in a tough spot here where they know all of our opinions. And uh
14:38like we talked about it all summer how Trent McBride's ADP should probably be closer to Coulson Lovelands than Brock Bowers. And then what happens here? It's
14:45a five spot or a four spot gap between Treving Pride and Coulson Love. Josh Allen just did go off the board here at
14:51the uh 403.
14:52>> Who took him? Is that Mr. Candy?
14:55>> Candy, [laughter] Justin Jefferson, Chase Brown, Chris Alave, and Josh Allen at the >> I like it. I like it.
15:01>> Yeah, I like it a lot, too. Uh just to go through some players that are still on the board here with the fourth pick
15:06of the fourth round. Kairen Williams, Garrett Wilson, T-Mac, Travis Achan, Terry McLaren. We're going off my rankings. No, that's composite rankings.
15:14that's pulled up. So, I have my rankings on a separate tab here.
15:17>> Yeah. So, I'm considering right now it's Kairen ETN and then uh Cam Scataboo or I can go with Garrett Wilson. I don't have
15:24a wide receiver. Do I really want to do Bree Hall and Garrett Wilson on the same team and it's starting to make me a
15:29little bit nervous right there thinking out loud. Um I will go with I'm gonna go with Kairen Williams. I think this one's
15:37really close >> uh between the between all of them. This is a good I think it's still a really good group of running backs. Like this
15:45is kind of dead zone profiles because that's where typically a lot of the worst running back selections have been kind of in this round. I don't know man.
15:51I I still think that the the Kairen Williams stuff even with Corm around there's still so much upside. Like he doesn't have even have to do as well as
15:58he did this last season to pay off this ADP.
16:00>> Yeah, I I was probably going to take Kron there. I can't. So, uh, I am gonna dip my toe in the Garrett Wilson waters
16:07and have him as my first flex spot here.
16:11My start just to go through this CMC Drake London Z Flowers, Garrett Wilson.
16:16And I've been trying to pull up the Ron Stewart tweets because you know that Ron Stewart has some good ones about how
16:21this is actually Garrett Wilson's time to shine uh versus in in previous years, but it's naming about like first read targets that Gino Smith has thrown and
16:29then Garrett Wilson and his first read targets and how successful he's been on those. And so, you know, >> despite the Adai Mitchell stuff at X and
16:37drafting Omar Cooper in round one and then Ken Sadi now missing camp, I really think so much is going to flow through
16:43Garrett Wilson here. And it's not just the short to intermediate stuff. He can also win down the field too.
16:47>> You are certainly winning the target share uh league right here. Four picks.
16:53>> One of the categories is uh >> target share leaders per week getting extra plus five.
16:57>> I mean we are very close for real drafts to be based off of expected fantasy points and [laughter] target share and
17:02like firmly just like spreadsheets fantasy.com. It's probably actually not a bad business idea if any if any of you guys want to build it.
17:09>> I love that. Uh and talking through yours, you have the exact opposite of me. Basically, you are Jonathan Taylor, Brock Bowers, Bree Hall, Kairen Williams
17:18heading into a PPR draft. Hayden, would you expect to not have a single wide receiver through four rounds?
17:23>> When the board fall to me, I'm going to take my fantasy points from last year uh and hopefully that Bree Hall um and
17:30Brock Bowers can just have better environments around them. But I still think that in full PPR when we're talking about two flex spots, like
17:36gobbling up a bunch of these running backs, um it's going to make the rest of the room feel real nervous about who
17:41they're starting in their flex. I think still in full PPR, Kairen Williams is going to outscore a lot of the wide
17:46receivers around them. Um, and you can any of these running backs, Cam's Sky, but these guys just project more straight up. So, when extra flex spots,
17:54I lean towards running backs even more.
17:56>> Yeah, I'm going to be nervous about who I'm going to start my running back two spot. But, uh, maybe I won't. We'll
18:00we'll we'll figure that out as we go along. Yeah, I I was nervous that you and I were drafting back toback here,
18:04but doing two opposite strategies, I think, makes it all worth. All right, since my pick Tyler Warren, Travis Han, Luther Burton, Terry McLaren, Roma
18:12Dunay, and Cam Scataboo. I would say of that group, if we're just looking at Yahoo ADPs, uh Rome at the 411 when in
18:21half PPR, he's going at the 68. Hayden is the first and I would say biggest quote unquote reach so far.
18:27>> Yeah, he might be drafting off the Matt Harmon ranks or my rankings there. Uh I think that this is justifiable even if
18:33it's a little bit earlier. Um, I'm hoping that you guys can draft Roman Dunes later than this. But in full PPR,
18:39man, he was he was wide receiver, 18 in targets per game last year. You just got to catch more of them, but that's what
18:44we should expect with Caleb and those guys uh entering second year of the system, young players.
18:47>> Yeah, I mean, again, I'm just so focused on my team that like there's this glut of running backs coming up, hay, that's
18:54DeAndre Swift, David Montgomery, Quinn Sean Judkins, Bucky Irving, Bejo Tutin, and in whatever order. And I'm going through my head of okay, what's the cut
19:02off that I'm willing to still push running back with a wide receiver on the board and Christian Watson would have been that. And I think there was a
19:10chance that he was still going to make it back to me at the 57, but uh since he just went at the 5-1, um I mean this is
19:15a loaded team. Jamir Gibbs, Rashi Rice, Malik Neighbors, Cam, Scataboo, Christian Watson. Uh that's like a mix of our favorites there.
19:21>> They are uh let's see how many games they play would be be the the one problem with that. But uh we don't we
19:27can't predict injuries and as long as you can keep saying that that team looks awesome.
19:30>> Still remaining on the board, DeAndre Swift, Devonte Adams, Lamar Jackson, Dave Montgomery, Quinn Sean Judkins, Mike Evans, DJ Moore, Bachel Tutin. Uh
19:42this is this is when it gets tight, you know. Oh, Drake May just went as quarterback, too.
19:46>> Yeah, we have a stacking. So that's the thing. Do you push Drake May another round? Are you willing to not stack up
19:52AJ Brown? that to me those type of uh type of decisions I would push quarterback in a full PPR extra spot
19:59even I acknowledge stacking is important I would just see there's a chance Drake May falls to you and you don't have to
20:04stack your quarterback uh every single time >> well frozen Tundra just made the decision for me it was between Bashial Tutin and one other name uh because if
20:12I'm honest as much as I love Quinchon Judkins uh he's not going to catch a lot of passes and while I like DeAndre Swift
20:18um I'm gonna take DJ MOORE HERE. WOW. I wanted him. I wanted DJ Moore. Why? Why him versus Swift? Cuz now I'm I'm on the
20:28clock and like if I'm [laughter] really going to fill out my flex spot with a fourth running back here. Um this Yeah,
20:35this is where you're really starting to push it. Um it it's Mike Evans, Devonte Adams as my wide receiver. One is kind
20:41of where it's at. Um you know what? I'm going to do >> really The only reason I did it, Hayden, was uh to put you in this situation.
20:47That's why I did it.
20:48>> You think I care, dude? I'm going DeAndre Swift, man. This is this is about applying the pressure.
20:53I feel really good about my flex spots being Kyrie Williams, DeAndre Swift. Uh and this is where I think only having
21:00two wide receivers, like a bunch of my next picks are obviously going to be wide receiver here. Uh and then I just
21:05got to hit on two sleepers here. Uh I'm really hoping Parker Washington comes back.
21:10>> H he will not. I thought I thought you might have jumped the olds even if your ranks don't say it cuz sometimes that
21:16happens, right? Like sometimes as you're building a team and it doesn't necessarily fall exactly how it does, you don't want to rely on Mike Evans and
21:24Devonte Adams playing 17 games and instead you might have taken like Parker Washington in that spot instead.
21:30>> Yeah. The the one caveat to that is when there's only two wide receiver spots, I'm like almost more willing to take on
21:35risk cuz like you just need to find one more option there. Um, I think in general, just looking at the ADP
21:42landscape, there's so many sleeper wide receiver types like the Josh Downs. I'll throw Matthew Golden in there. Pick a Xavier Worthy if you don't love the
21:50profile.
21:51>> I'm I'm at this draft with with Xavier Worthy as your wide receiver, too, please.
21:56>> No, no, no, no, no. We will not release those screenshots. Do not release the tapes. [laughter] Uh, this is one of
22:02these situations where I I need like four or five wide receivers in a row here and then we're going to hit on two
22:08of them. Luckily, you have like Tyson upside swings and you have Alec Pierce has done it before. There's I'm not panicking yet. [laughter]
22:15>> I'm laughing at myself because this might be the shortest stint ever at Yahoo if we release our first draft at
22:21Yahoo and Xavier Worthy is your wide receiver, too. And and they just fire us. They just let us go.
22:26>> Honestly, they should. [laughter] >> They should.
22:30>> They should. I do get excited, you know, in in the Yahoo lobby when it's has, you know, the the your turn line and like
22:38there are two names right below that that I would really really love to take and I'm just hoping that it doesn't get
22:44reordered until then. And it just did.
22:46It just did with one of the picks that happened.
22:48>> The longer this training camp goes along, Hayden, the more and more and more I'm into Jadarian Price.
22:54>> Why?
22:55Because when you think about it, we're talking about George Hani in like pure passing situations. And I think that's even a different
23:06discussion that we got of the Kin Walker, Zack Sharbonet stuff last year.
23:10And for sure, it might be an organizational structural thing where they're like, "Hey, we need to keep our best runner fresh at the end of the
23:18season for their playoff run." But at the same time, I also feel like Jarian Price versus George Helani is a much
23:25bigger gap than how they perceive the backfield of Ken Walker and Zack Charbanet. And especially that Ken Walker would get them to the 15 to the
23:3510 yard line and would come Zack Char. I doubt they put George Harlani in in those situations and Jarian Price would
23:41just be able to continue running it in from the 10 versus the 15 that K9 didn't get last year.
23:47>> Yeah. Yeah, to me it's not about the first couple weeks or months of the season. To me, it's once Zack Charban
23:52gets involved, then are we just in a situation where I don't think that Price is going to be as good as Ken Walker and
23:57then you're in that kind of same situation where you're splitting carries and goal line stuff. Um, and Sharp is way bigger than Price. So, uh, Price
24:05could just be so good that he's going to run away at the job and then even when Sharp comes back or, uh, it it's not
24:10going to matter. I think that he's like appropriately priced, but he's not one of these guys that I want to steam up
24:15the draft board. Um, keep in mind like you're losing Clint Kubak. There's a chance that the Seahawks, you know, >> totally
24:20>> they score six, seven fewer points per game.
24:23>> Well, that would be a lot. Six or seven fewer points would be >> I mean, I think they average almost 30
24:27or something including they were rolling.
24:29>> They did.
24:29>> Yeah. And like if you take an individual standpoint from each of their players, like the offensive line just individually doesn't have rock stars at
24:36each spot, but they played like a cohesive unit last year, too. Um, it's a fascinating team to watch this year, that's for sure. Okay, you're almost on
24:45the clock here. Your thoughts.
24:47>> I'm looking at the wide receivers and then I have >> talk about the wide receivers that are still available. It's like,
24:54>> well, it's now I'm looking at Lamar Jackson versus wide receivers that you just like don't feel very confident about and you're like, I'm almost
25:00willing to push these wide receivers once again. Like, am I really going to draft Carell Tate over Lamar Jackson?
25:05Like, that that seems insane to me. Uh, and in fact, we're going to take this is an experimental draft. Let's see if you
25:10guys like it. I'm taking Lamar Jackson.
25:12Well, I was gonna take him with the next election because I have Z Flowers.
25:15>> Well, you you sniped me the round the previous. So, if you want to powers DJ more shows together. Nope, not doing
25:22that. Um, yeah. I mean, I I think this is the perfect territory to stop pushing quarterbacks because again, we're getting into like the Jaylen Warren
25:30versus an elite quarterback here. Now, I think the big discussion is who is the next quarterback off the board after Drake May and Lamar Jackson. Is it Joe
25:37Burrow? Is it Jaden Daniels? Is it Jaylen Herz? fair conversation.
25:42>> I have them pretty much all back to back and I'm just letting who I've drafted before dictate to uh dict that to to me
25:48and then also if just one of the guys are falling. I don't I think I might like Jaden Daniels the best, but that's
25:56really really close. Um and with with Jaden and then with Jaylen Herz of that mix, you can at least draft, you know,
26:03Mai Lemon after Dallas Goddard after where with Joe Burrow, there's nobody else to stack with you. The players are already drafted ahead of you. Like it's
26:10those type of decisions, but to me, this is the line. Like look at the wide receivers and running backs around it.
26:14Like this is where I think quarterback gets interesting.
26:16>> Totally. Uh I went with Jaden Daniels.
26:18>> I might regret that and want to take Joe Burrow, but I did not have Jamar Chase and I did not have T. Higgins. I did not
26:24have Chase Brown.
26:25>> That's what I would have done, too.
26:26>> I'm gonna go with Jaden Daniels and and maybe get some Stefon Digs a bit later on.
26:30>> I like that a lot.
26:31>> See, three in a row here. Uh Frozen Tundra just took Joe Burrow on top of that. So yeah, I mean the one
26:38quarterback versus Superflex drafting, I think this year more than any other might have the biggest difference in terms of where quarterbacks are going
26:46because there are legit, you know, 24 quarterbacks and at least 12 that are good. And so like >> in your home leagues, if these
26:55quarterbacks go much earlier, we keep talking about it. You can push it to the Kyler Murray's of the world. you can
27:01push it to someone in that vicinity unless they get pushed to the sixth round like here and then the values just
27:08don't make sense taking you know skilled players over that quarterback.
27:11>> I it's a good point. This these mock drafts like expert mock drafts and then obviously all you guys are are sharp
27:17here. The quarterbacks go much later than typical in like your against your high school buddies. So that those are like the big exceptions of like you know
27:25when I'm advising punt quarterback in general that's because all these quarterbacks were gone in the fourth round which I really like you know the
27:32players that we just drafted over them but in a situation like this this is to me is like the appropriate cost where I
27:38think the best picks were the quarterbacks just skating the draft board Trevon Henderson went at the 601 Stevenson at the 610. We just did one of
27:48our I guess it was they all run together. The updated rankings episodes and one of our big conclusions was they should be ranked much much closer
27:58together and here they are drafted much much closer together.
28:00>> Yeah, I'm expecting that to continue. I don't think that anything about the training camp is necessarily going to lean towards Trayvon. It seems like
28:06Raandre is still catching some passes.
28:08He's better in pass protection because he's, you know, there's just a mass thing that's required in pass protection. And then I just don't think
28:14that Trayvon's ever going to be the goal line answer over Raandre for the same exact reason. So, uh I think they should
28:19be pretty close together. I think mo ultimately I think the most likely scenario is both of them finish outside the top 15 this year. Uh and then
28:26whoever just stays healthier is the better one to pick. Uh but I think their ADPs should be pretty close together.
28:31>> Yeah, they're two rounds apart in half PPR Yahoo leagues right now. Uh typically Trevon's going in the fifth round, Raandre is going in the seventh
28:40round, and here they both go in the sixth round. Makes sense. Um, I was really eyeing Sam Laaporta here in the
28:45seventh round, but uh, Fins Up, Fins Up got me. Uh, but I think this might be a tight end round for me, Hayden. There
28:52there's a lot of picks on the board that I really like.
28:54>> Yeah, this this is a great range for the tight ends and it's kind of to me last call. There's only the top eight that I
28:59feel good about and then after that, I'm just going to wait as long as I can. And I I typically don't like to do that um
29:07in in reddraft leagues, full PPR leagues. Like to me, this is where, you know, Harold Fannon's never looked better than if he's on the on the clock
29:14right here.
29:15>> Still rushing to get that running back.
29:17Uh, still do not have a starting lineup out there yet, but >> but we'll see. Yeah, a big dilemma for me once I get on the clock for a lot of
29:25leagues is going to be Harold Fenan versus Cal Pittz. One obviously younger than the other.
29:30>> Um, >> obviously Stfansky coached one guy and now he gets the other one. Um, I think my rankings have it right now. Fannon
29:38over pits. I might flip that. I might flip that.
29:41>> Yeah, I think it depends on the format for me. I think that fan is going to catch still a bunch of passes. Um, but
29:46that one's really close.
29:47>> The decision was made for me. Cal Pittz just went to a stiff arm at the 705.
29:54Chris Godwin. Hayden, I feel like we've talked about 300 players this summer. We have not said one phrase about Chris Godwin who just went at the 704. Is
30:03there a phrase you would like to say about Chris Godwin? I didn't think that he looked right last year and um I'm a
30:08little bit nervous about that because there's so many injuries and they're very serious injuries and I liked what I saw from a Mecca and he's getting into
30:14uh a better role and more underneath role. So I think there's a lot of competition. Reports out of Jaylen McMillan's uh camp have been positive.
30:21He's missing a little bit of time here, but not nothing I'm concerned about. So I've not been drafting a bunch of Chris
30:26Godwin. There is also the the narrative of just, you know, the slot wide receiver in this offense has been uh really good. I think that's more of the
30:33the Acha Ibuka position more so than the slot, but um I understand it.
30:38>> You know, when he came back last year, there were just a bunch of passes that fell off his hands on like extended
30:45grabs along the sideline and I thought he was kind of moving okay, >> but then again, he came back from injury
30:50after he rushed it the first time and he still wasn't productive. So, it's a weird one. like I can totally envision a
30:56bounce back and then I could also see him like hitting this decline after this injury and I don't know what outcome it
31:02is and he's one of the hardest and most difficult players for me to rank right now.
31:05>> Yeah, I just there's too many young players around him that I would rather take shots on. Um you know so I haven't
31:11drafted >> uh if I really wanted to get a running back then I would push here for Tony Pard and Chuba Hubard. That's not really
31:18what I want to go into this doing. So I'm going to take uh Harold Fannon here as my tight end. I like that a lot. Um,
31:25I'm pretty much forced into a wide receiver here. I don't have one. The rest of my starting lineup is is filled
31:29out. So, I'm debating between Jordan Tyson, Quinton Johnson. Those are the the top two guys >> in my uh list here. Tough call. I think
31:39I'm going to go with Jordan Tyson. I think that he has, you know, just like this kind of theoretical upside that I
31:45really do need to hit. He's out there in training camp. He he was not my favorite prospect, but he's also not being
31:50drafted in a spot where he had to be my favorite prospect. I still I still really like Jordan Tyson's film and
31:56stuff. I was kind of boom bust. Look, I need a boom. So, he's he seems like a pretty good guy for me.
32:01>> Well, I think when in doubt and when when trying to win your league, like go with the rookie in this spot. And I
32:07think they're doing a really good job of managing his snaps from what I can tell from Underh Hill tweets and stuff. Like
32:11they're not asking him to go full go every day in practice. They're saying, "Okay, we know you have a history of X,
32:17Y, and Z, and so you're going to take some drills off or some days off here and there, and uh treat them as like a
32:23veteran in some instances, which I I think is really smart.
32:26>> It's smart. Also, one of the benefits of this offense is first a neutral pace.
32:30This been a Kell Moore staple for a long time. There's a chance Jordan Tyson plays a little bit of slot in this
32:34offense uh as well, and that's been another kind of through line with the Kell Moore offenses." So, um, lot lots of good stuff from from Nick Underh Hill
32:42about the Saints offense right now.
32:44Yeah, it has sounded like that the Saints defense has dominated the offense in a lot of practices, which may not be totally shocking. Like he's
32:54saying that there's a lot of new pieces.
32:55I'm not sure exactly what the new piece is other than Jordan Tyson and Travis Han. like everyone else has kind of just
33:01been there other than the left guard and David Edwards, but um as we have seen, it's not always the case that a
33:07struggling offense during the preseason, Allah, Caleb Williams, and the Bears last year, then takes that into the regular season.
33:13>> Yeah, still we're barely started stuff.
33:16Yeah, barely started with it.
33:19>> Four weeks away. Uh still on the board right now, Justin Herbert, Juba Hub, Trevor Lawrence, Dak Prescott, QJ, Josh DS, and we go on from there. You
33:28mentioned that this is going to happen at some point this summer. No surprise it happens with our audience. Jonathan Brooks was just selected over Chew
33:36Hubard.
33:36>> Yeah, I think in full PPR is going to play more of the pass down work. As long as he stays healthy, it's I think a true
33:41tossup here, so not surprising. Their ADP should be pretty close together, though.
33:45>> Okay, let's go through producer Weeds' team. He's in the 11th spot. Okay.
33:49Saquon, Devon Achan, Jaylen Waddle, Coulson Lovelin, Parker Washington, Quinn Sean, Justin Herbert, Quinton Johnston. Uh, I think I'd rather be in
33:59the 11th spot than the seventh spot.
34:01>> This team looks good. The the Herbert to to QJ stack right there. Um, Parker Washington, somebody I'm really warming up to, uh, after everything I'm reading
34:10there. Uh, saw a report out of um, from Shipley talking about he's not going to come off the field, he's going to be a
34:16SWAT to Z player. Um, and then, uh, Travis Hunter is gonna play more snaps, but it sounds like that's gonna come on
34:23the boundary, which to me could mean a little bit of Jacobe Myers because Parker Washington can kick inside. That could come at the expense of Brian
34:30Thomas, but does not sound like it's coming at the expense of Mr. Parker Washington.
34:34>> I just had a dilemma. Uh, Chuba Hubard versus JK Dobbins. I don't know if I loved either pick. I did go with Chuba
34:40over JK Dobbins. Would you have made that same pick?
34:42>> That's how I have it in my rankings still. Um, but I do think they're very similar in type in their terms of the
34:48profile. They've had nice runs before.
34:51Um, then they kind of get banged up and things don't look uh the same. Um, Harvey versus Jonathan Taylor or Jonathan Brooks. I think that Brooks is
34:59probably a better player. Um, so I do think those two like tandemss there should be probably picked pretty close to each other. I think the Panthers
35:08one's a little bit better because they don't have like an established RB3 where we know that Shawn Peyton wants to get
35:13an RB3. Uh, and Stefon Diggs off the street and into your starting lineup as your wide receiver, too.
35:19>> Yeah, just how you draw it up. Uh, Jordan Tyson, Steph Diggs [laughter] as your wide receiver, one, too. Uh, I was
35:24thankful that he was still available. I I do think that early in the in the year, as long as he stays healthy, I do
35:30think there's a pathway for him being a top 36 wide receiver. Terry McLuren's never been like a true volume uh dependent uh type of player. Uh, we
35:38watched Zack Z. I mean, you remember the Zack Z with Jaden Daniels? How many underneath catches did that guy have?
35:44Uh, and Steph Diggs was moving way better than the Zachary stuff. So, I do think that like I'm taking the Steph
35:50Diggs stuff seriously on a per uh route basis last year coming off an ACL tear.
35:54He was pretty dang good. Um, so I I think he's got plenty of energy coming off that boat and uh I think that he's
36:01just a a nice pick right now.
36:03>> I think our Yahoo rankings, which by the way in the description down below, are getting a big update today. So, I can't
36:08wait for those because uh I'm still hoping that there's a certain player here in in round nine at running back that's going to fall to me. Oh, Matthew
36:15Golden just went off the board right next to Jordan Addison, which is a very interesting uh one-two combo there.
36:21Yeah, I mean, does the scoring matter for Matthew Golden versus half PPR and full PPR or is that just reading into it
36:28too much?
36:28>> No, I was listening to Justice Mosca and other Packers reporters trying to get to the bottom of it. He's going to be
36:34playing the ex receiver spot. That's the Romeo Dobs rule. Their analysis of that was just what if we had Romeo Dobs
36:41receptions like over the middle, but now you have the threat of him taking off for explosives. So, I think Matthew Cole's going to be involved. What
36:48happened?
36:49>> Bill just went off the board. Needed Bill. Needed Bill on my team to, you know, Dr. Frankenstein, that running back two spot with with Chuba Hubard.
36:57Um, I I think people might get a bit over their skis on, you know, the the clips that we've seen of training camp
37:04of him catching passes. To me, it's more notable if he's not just a total liability not catching passes. Like, if he can just prove that he is serviceable
37:12out there and it's not a total tell when he's on the field that it's a run, then that's a big deal. Uh, and I think Ben
37:17Stan has done a great job of covering that for the Commander so far.
37:20>> I think you should draft both of them.
37:22you know, the Commander offense is better than a lot of the um backfields that we're talking about where there's two running backs going ahead of both of
37:30them. Like the Steelers, for example, as when the Panthers like the Commanders probably a better team than those and the running backs are going behind them
37:36and we haven't heard anything from Kron Allen, like move both of them up. That's what I just did.
37:40>> That that's what I just took is was Rashad White here. If Bill went earlier than Rashad White, especially in full
37:44PPR, um I'm happy with Rashad White there because he has ranked, and this is the most obvious statement ever, higher for me in full than he is in half.
37:51>> I promise you I wouldn't have Xavier Worthy as my wide receiver, too. I got him as my wide receiver three.
37:56>> You're one round away from us getting fired after 10 days on the job.
38:01>> I was considering him versus Jaden Reed versus um >> somebody else that just won.
38:06>> Why Xavier Worthy over Jaden Reed? Like that that actually surprises me. just because I think that the Rashid Rice stuff is um very uncertain and um I
38:16think they're going to get Xavier Worthy back into the role that he had as a rookie in that there was some screen
38:22involvement. There was some underneath stuff. There's some crossing routes where I think last year uh they didn't trust him staying healthy. Uh it's a
38:28it's a dice roll here. Obviously, >> is he healthy now?
38:30>> Dice roll. And we're talking about way late in the draft. I'm [laughter] gonna be taking more dice rolls here in a
38:36second. I think Xavier Worthy might end up, especially if I'm drafting with you, uh, as one of my most avoided players.
38:41>> Yeah.
38:42>> And that that can be totally wrong. And yeah, you're definitely banking on Rashy Rice not being 100% if you're taking
38:48Xavier Worthy. We keep citing this, but Erolano posted that in games where Rashi Rice has played, Xavier Worthy has averaged 2.7 catches per game.
38:55>> He was banged up in a lot of them. This is it's like kind of contingentbased upside at this point. Um, I think in my
39:01first couple weeks here, he would not be in my my starting lineup for sure. Yeah, I mean this is already the part of the
39:06board where your draft falls off a cliff. I got to be honest. Um it's a bunch of the quarterbacks that some
39:12people be taking late for their starter.
39:15Then it's like Jordan Mason, Don Concincaid, Travis Kelce, Isaiah Likely, Juan Dale. You keep going on and I'm down the list. But
39:25>> and this is what we're talking about with the quarterbacks. Like if you're waiting on quarterbacks, a lot of the best picks on the board are still the
39:31quarterbacks and you can kind of doubleclick two quarterbacks in this range. So I think especially when the quarterbacks go earlier uh than what we
39:38had in this mock draft. I love just pick any of them. Stafford, Kyler, pick any combination. Dart with uh Jordan Love. I
39:46think Jared Goff has a chance to lead the league in passing yards. Like double clicking quarterback in this range is is
39:51awesome. like uh you know the 11th and 12 spot here are going to have this or that with Justin Herbert and Jane Reed
39:59versus Mai Lemon and Trevor Lawrence for example.
40:02>> Um the Mai Lemon pick I think is very early at the 712 at this spot in preseason when we haven't heard from him
40:07very much.
40:08>> Yeah, I I'm nervous about Mai Lemon to start the season. I think that he was an awesome prospect and you can figure
40:13things out. It's just this offense you have to be in two wide receiver sets.
40:16We'll see.
40:17>> Uh I'm going to take the falling Jacobe Myers. I'm I'm a big Parker Washington guy. Uh I know you also love BTJ on top
40:24of it, but uh it's not lost on me that Jacobe was the one that settled everything once he arrived last year and
40:30then they gave him an extension uh before hitting free agency. So I think Jacobe there's still a role for him to
40:36be played. I do think the X-actor in all of this and this buzz is building a little bit and we don't want to be the
40:42boys who cried wolf but the uh Travis Hunter offensive buzz speak on it. So, I was listening to Shipley and he thinks
40:49there's a chance like Travis Hunter is getting closer to like 50% of offensive plays and they said that in general he's
40:55playing way more offense than they were expecting. When I listening I listen to everything Shipley post and typically that was like at 20%. Uh now they're
41:04like that it's just going up and up and up and he he looks absolutely jacked.
41:07He's probably going to be able to survive both uh sides of the ball and maybe on defense he plays like 80% of
41:13the snaps and like it gets a little bit closer. Um, and he's gonna be winning down the field, which is the role that
41:19he >> That's my point. That That's my point.
41:21Like, I know there's some talk of him taking away from Jacobe in that area.
41:25What if he's taking away from Brian Thomas Jr.?
41:27>> I think it's possible in in that uh podcast that I keep talking about. They both agreed the most likely scenario for
41:35Brian Thomas is he exits after the season.
41:39>> Yep. and they'll just take the compensation the third round uh uh compensation uh pick uh compensatory pick and that they're probably not going
41:48to resign him. So if if you're kind of like reading between the lines and Travis Hunter just dominating, maybe there is a little bit more of a rotation
41:54between those two.
41:55>> Why why would Brian Thomas Jr. though have to exit after >> maybe it's the the year after that? like just that he's not
42:04>> to me he would be like a perfect trade candidate if Travis Hunter is playing and knowing where to line up and balling
42:10that he can be, you know, in the three wide receiver sets as the X and winning down the field and they can flip Brian
42:17Thomas Jr. to like the Las Vegas Raiders or something like that.
42:20>> Yeah, I definitely misspoke. I think what you said is possible. I think they're just saying in general Parker Washington's going to get the extension
42:26and that eventually Brian Thomas will not get the extension. He will just walk. And in that scenario, you can start seeing that, okay, maybe Brian
42:32Thomas is at 80% of the snaps instead of 100.
42:35>> When are we going to start talking about Travis Hunter on offense again?
42:38>> Um, probably this next pick. If you don't take him, I'm taking him. I need him. [laughter] >> I mean, he looks freaking yolked, man.
42:48He really >> And I just can't get over that the season was ripped away from him last year. Now, like to open it, he he
42:55truly didn't know where to line up, right? and they were running him on the slot stuff, the underneath stuff, the screens, whatever. The the gimmicks,
43:03but then like the downfield snap that he had against the 49ers, the Jaguars don't win that game without that. The downfield stuff he had against the
43:09Chiefs, the Jaguars do not win that game without that. And these are tough contested grabs.
43:14>> Oh yeah.
43:15>> And then I'm going to bring up what the Rams garbage time stuff because that is what it is. But during that week, it was
43:22like, oh, now we're going to build our passing attack around this guy. He's going to get the wide receiver one treatment and then the injury happens
43:28and then the move for Jacobe it makes.
43:30So like I am 100% leaving the door open for Travis Hunter playing off.
43:35>> I think he's going to average like two yards per route run. Um and when he's on the football field on offense, he's like
43:40going to get the the football more so than if he was a full-time player. And I think that he doesn't even have to play
43:46all the snaps to matter. Like here's just a perfect example uh in like the ADP landscape uh on on this. He's
43:55sandwiched between Tyreek Hill, Isaac Teslaw, Rasheed Shahee, Jawan Jennings.
43:59Like these are the guys in the ADP uh on Yahoo. It's like I mean what are we even doing here? Like the by far the best
44:06wide receiver in real life available without question is Travis Hunter. So let's roll.
44:11>> I thought you might have said Rashad Jennings. Uh and I was like the guy who retired years ago.
44:16>> Yeah.
44:17>> Um I'm about to take someone who has not had his ADP updated yet. Uh, and as much as I do want to take Travis
44:25Hunter, I'm just going to take Deshawn Strippling here.
44:29>> And I I love this pick in this area, 11-7. It wouldn't surprise me at all. I know he has to get back to practice, but
44:36uh if he winds up in like the 10th round coming up soon, there's some anchor bias going on of people hating on Deshawn
44:42Strippling and being a shock that he was a 33rd overall pick. Hopefully you tune in to our channel with Dane Burgger that
44:47week where he said, "Hey, the football bubble's going to be shocked of how early he's going to go." And um he has
44:54flaws to his game, don't get me wrong, but he also has like a willingness to get after it and he could be the best
45:00blocker in this class too. And we know like that has been one of the reasons why young wide receivers have been kept
45:05off the field by Cal Shanahan. I don't think he has that problem. And like if you just zoom out in any other draft
45:12class and really any other name, if the 33rd overall pick got thrusted into the wide receiver 2 role and he was
45:19competing against a 32 and 30year-old for it that have missed time with injury over the last few years, people would be
45:26going freaking nuts and then no one gives a [ __ ] because it's Deshawn Strippler.
45:29>> Also, it's the 49ers, too. It's like not even like that he went to some scrub offense. Like we're talking about
45:33>> that might be part of the negative because they don't like how Kyle drafts.
45:37Brand was a hit in that range until he wasn't.
45:40>> I did have a question to ask you because even through all of our research and you know talking about 22 situations
45:48yesterday, I missed that Jaylen McMillan has a knee injury and his timeline is like uncertain. Like they don't know when he's going to return. Like that
45:58that's a pretty big deal here.
45:59>> I I thought that was borderling on on on fake news. He got he banged his knee on somebody else. like wasn't like some
46:07like non-cont injury expected to come back like the next week or so and he seems he seems fine. They just said like
46:12they don't know exactly what it is but that's just like Todd Bull's you know Todd Bull's lied to us about the Bucky
46:18uh stuff.
46:19>> This is true. Okay, you're on the clock.
46:20>> Okay, I think I've drafted enough wide receivers in a row where I could go somewhere else. Um let's see.
46:25>> Is there anyone that you want?
46:27>> Um man, I think I'm going to just take I'll take Matthew Staf. I'll take the MVP of the the of the league um this
46:35late in the draft.
46:36>> A second quarterback.
46:38>> I think this is a year to be drafting a second quarterback. Um just because there's a big fall off and uh I these
46:45quarterbacks are going to be really really strong. So, uh who knows? Like I could I can trade Lamar Jackson for a
46:50wide receiver uh once the season starts if this wasn't a mock draft. So, I think that at a certain point, you know, the
46:56MVP of the league should probably go ahead of Marshon Lloyd as much as I'd like him. Uh, and like that's kind of
47:00like the range that we're getting to now.
47:02>> Uh, I almost took Tyron Tracy just to bank on Cam Scaboo doing a backflip that doesn't land over the next four weeks. I
47:09decided against that and I went with Alvin Chimera. Uh, again, some of the reports of how tight the snaps have been
47:14in certain situations out of the Saints camp. Obviously, Travis Achan is going to play a lot and get a lot of the work.
47:22And I am not one of the people that got so concerned after the quote that hey that's going to be the early down guy
47:29and then the third and fourth down guy is going to be Alvin Chimera because as you and I outlined 35 of the 36 A chain
47:37receptions last year happened on first and second down.
47:40>> I think Chimera is draftable. I think he's draftable. Um >> thanks.
47:45>> I think he's draftable as far as I'll go.
47:48>> Thanks really likes Miller. Yeah. No, full PPR. You know, this is this is where he should be drafted.
47:55>> Well done.
47:55>> Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it.
47:58>> Uh we do have just three more two more rounds after this. Um and without kickers and defense, you know, things get really tight towards
48:06the end of year. So, uh this is a truly take your favorite player at the spot.
48:10like maybe I should have stuck with that and despite you know the Stefon Dig signing gone with Chico Quanquo and just
48:17an unlocked ceiling for him with a you know David Blau offense that we just didn't know was possible because again this is the area where tight ends just
48:25truly might outscore the wide receivers and running backs >> definitely. So we got two flex spots where you can start throwing them in
48:31during the by-weeks. Um this probably be my last pick up ahead. Just wanted to recap my draft real quick where I have
48:37to before I have to run. Uh, typically you're not going to take four wide receivers that or four running backs as
48:41early as I did, but I do think by the time this draft's over, I took enough upside swings where I can at least
48:47figure it out. And like I think if you are going to punt it off like I did here, you just want to take five dart
48:52throws like really. So like I think Tyson's one, Diggs is definitely one worthy Michael Wilson, Travis Hunter, and then I would just take two more here
48:59at the end. Um, and to me, whatever position you draft in the first couple rounds, just, you know, draft the other
49:05positions later. Um, and I think that this was as far as I would ever push that, but I do think I actually um feel
49:10okay with this team.
49:11>> I think it's awesome that you push it that far publicly on a setting like this because um that doesn't happen very
49:17often, but we got to put it here in a mock draft.
49:19>> Yeah, it's good thing it's a mock draft.
49:21>> Good thing it's it's a mock draft. Um, okay. Hopefully this next tight end makes it to me with this next pick
49:27because I'll just take uh Bretton Strange over these wide receivers and running backs because again so much talk and I understand it with all the wide
49:34receivers on the Jaguars right now, but uh Burton Strange still scored quite highly when he was on the field last year.
49:40>> Yeah, it sounds like Jacksonville is still going to use a bunch of three wide receiver sets and they just were just
49:45want some tight end depth. I don't know why you'd take a second second round tight end if you're looking for depth,
49:49but um that is interesting. All right, my last pick. I'll do uh Florenoi. He's pretty much a waiverwire guy, but if
49:56something happens to one of the top two wide receivers, I do think that he would be somebody that we'd be ranking. So,
50:00I'd be like the top 36 or so. So, it's my last pick.
50:03>> Hayden had to bounce to appear on another show. Uh but on that note, and I should have mentioned this earlier, we
50:08have Eric Froton just after this for the three players he can't stop drafting in college fantasy football. Yes, that is on Yahoo right now. Play NFL fantasy
50:19football. Why why not just, you know, do the same thing on on Saturdays? He has a top 300 rankings for every single
50:25position. Uh so all you ball knowowers that watch a ton of ball throughout the entire weekend, and I'm sure your significant others love it, and you've
50:32never played CFF, now's the time to do so. And uh Froon has a bit of a primer for you after this. Okay. Uh Hayden's
50:40team, just to talk through it, and he mostly did here. Jonathan Taylor, Brock Bowers, Bree Hall, Kyron Williams, DeAndre Swift, Lamar Jackson, then his
50:50run of wide receivers of Jordan Kais, Stefon Digs, Xavier Worthy, Michael Wilson, Travis Hunter, and then Matthew Stafford, and Ryan Florenoi. Uh, my
50:59team, CMC, Drake London, Z Flowers, Garrett Wilson, DJ Moore, Jane Daniels, Harold Fannon. So, that's basically my starting
51:09lineup. And then I tried to put two or three names together for that running back two spot. Obviously, when you get
51:16into drafts like this, you're going to have a weakness when you come out of it.
51:19Uh mine, I know, is going to be my running back two spot. But again, wafer wire pickups, backups getting into that
51:26area, uh or a combination of Chuba Hubard for the rushing and Rashad White for the receiving can make up that running back two spot. And then I went
51:35with Jacobe Myers and Deshawn Stribbling. again, my wide receivers and my flexes should be totally taken care of along with Alvin Chimera and Britain
51:43Strange. And uh who should we close this thing out with? Who should we close this thing out with? Um I have the likes of
51:51Aronda Gadson, Adnai Mitchell, AJ Barner, Greg Doulich, Trey Harris. I'm going to go I'm going to go with AJ Barner. I should have gone with Greg
52:01Doulsuch. I should have taken the receptions that Greg Doulsich brings to the table. Um because he truly might be like the top receiver of the Miami
52:11Dolphins this year. And again, the two flexes rather than like the three wide receivers in one flex, I think opens the
52:16door in this format if you all have the same one for truly starting tight ends in that second flex spot. Before we get
52:24out of here, let's talk through producer Weaves. All right, he's in the 11th pick. Saquon Barkley, Devon Achan, Jaylen Wadd, Coulson Loveland, Parker
52:32Washington, Quinnshaw Judkins, Justin Herbert, and Quinton Johnson. Like right there, his starting lineup is filled out after that. Jaden Reed, Romeo Dos, Kalio
52:42Shakir, Jawan Johnson again on the radar from Under Hill saying that he is undervalued in all drafts right now.
52:48Jordan Love and Ray Davis absolutely love us. Let us know in the comments down below which of these teams from Stunna to Fins to Beef Candy to Serenity
52:59now that you like the most and we'll send it on over to our conversation with Eric Fronton right now. Oh yeah, college
53:05football fantasy is here. You know, you can't just have your fantasy football love on Thursdays and Sundays and Mondays. You need it on Saturdays as
53:14well. We know you all watch ball and we have the man to bring it to you. The knowledge that you need. This is Eric
53:19Froton. Eric, we typically bring in guests on the summer for NFL fantasy football side on like a five players or a handful of players they can't stop
53:28drafting. So, I thought that was the perfect way to bring you in for this college football fantasy season. Uh they can be drafted in any order in any point
53:39of the draft board, but uh give us your first player that you can't stop drafting this year.
53:42>> Yeah, we're going to go right to the top here with Nick Marsh, transfer from Michigan State to Indiana. Now, as we
53:49know, I know I know you're NFL guys, but I know you know Indiana won the national title last year, right? I know we're all
53:55up on that, but when it comes to Michigan State, I don't blame you if you don't know what's going on Michigan
54:01State because there really wasn't very much happening last season. One of the worst quarterbacks in the power four, ranked dead last among quarterbacks with
54:11200 plus dropbacks in ontarget throw rate, that was Aiden Child. Despite that, you know, they were still force-feeding Nick Marsh the ball last
54:20year, 29% target share with 75 targets over his last seven games, forcing 28 missed tackles on 58 receptions, a goddy
54:3148% miss tackle rate.
54:34>> The beauty of Nick Marsh is he's going to have Josh Hoover to work with now this year. He's going to have Curt
54:39Signetti's more structured offense. He's going to get more quality targets uh in that Elijah Serat xboundary wide receiver role. Now last year Serat
54:49scored a touchdown in almost every single game last year and Marsh is worlds better than Elijah Serat. He is going to be a true wide receiver number
54:59one. And for 2027 NFL draft purposes right now I have him as my wide receiver too behind only Julio Jones. the the new
55:10version, Jeremiah Smith.
55:12>> Yeah, my ears perked up when you said he's a boundary exceiver, but he's breaking all those tackles. You typically don't get those two profiles
55:17together. I thought you were going to say Omar Omar Cooper role because he was kind of the force miss tackle guy in
55:22that offense, but boundary and force miss tackles in the same profile is definitely interesting.
55:27>> Yeah, Eric, I have a question. Like when you think about a team like Indiana that lost so much talent to the NFL and it's
55:35Fernand Mendoza, it's both the wide receivers, it's it's also Kalin Black, right? Like how much does the system change based on the new talent that
55:45comes in or is this hey the signetti mold this is what we do no matter what and we're going to fit these pieces
55:52while some of them might be better some of them also might be worse. So how difficult it is for you to project
55:56year-over-year with that stuff? You know, typically systems are pretty consistent year-over-year. You have a certain style of play caller with offensive coordinator or if it's an
56:07offensive-minded head coach who takes that play calling that will typically be repeatable. Um, so I see and that's kind of why we got into Indiana, how they
56:17still have Charlie Becker at the Z-roll and Charlie Becker was an absolute monster down the stretch with those back shoulder throws and highpoint catches on
56:26the boundary. He was almost unstoppable.
56:29It was basically like a rebound when they're throwing it down field because he was just so dominant against those inferior boundary corners. Uh he will
56:37stay on the Z in my opinion. You're just going to see Marsh go and slot right in the Serat role. And then on the the
56:43running back side, you mentioned Kalin Black. They bring in Turbo Richard from BC who had some pretty encouraging advanced metrics and he'll just slot it
56:51in the Hemi role who was the pretty much the the primary even though it was almost a straight split last year.
56:58>> You'll see Kobe Martin filling in and they also bring in Lee BB another uh running back from UAB. So you'll see
57:06another rotation there. um somebody will emerge as the nominal one, but it it really hurts the profile of a guy like
57:15Turbo Richard, who you would think would have top five round draft capital, but because of the three-way dance, it really clouds his profile.
57:23>> Turbo Richard's such a college football uh name out there. And just for clarity, this is this is power four plus Notre
57:29Dame when we're drafting on Yahoo.
57:31>> Yes, sir. 68 teams, the 67 nom, you know, traditional power four teams plus Notre Dame, despite the fact that Notre Dame plays basically a G6
57:41schedule. You know, I had I [laughter] have to get that dig in there. They got they got to have been strongest
57:45schedule.
57:46>> And Eric, I know you already have on Yahoo a top 300 plus positional rankings for all these. So, uh yeah, if we think
57:51we're overloaded with 32 teams, you go uh deep deep with with 68 of them. Okay, one name down, two to go. Who else can
57:58you not stop drafting this summer? Yeah, we're going to go over to Oregon. You know, we're going to stay in the Big 10,
58:02another alpha dog of the Big 10. And we're going to go to actually their backup or their RB2 heading in the
58:10season. We're going to get spicy here, guys. Come on. We're going to have some excitement >> because this is about players that I
58:16can't stop drafting. And I cannot stop drafting. De'ar Hill, D I E R E. Get used to his name.
58:24>> Averaged a ridiculous 8.2 2 yards uh per carry on only 59 carries as a freshman.
58:33Still 6.5 yards after contact is what you average. If you get if you get 6.5 in college, you're already like a
58:42prospect. You're getting 6.5 after contact.
58:45>> That kind of illustrates just the kind of elusiveness and explosiveness that we can really expect to see out of De'ar
58:51Hill with his 39% missed tackle rate.
58:55We're getting into Bejon territory there. Uh could not be more excited about him assuming a much larger role for what would probably be a run-based
59:03Oregon attack this season as they roll over a very palatable schedule in the Big 10.
59:09>> How often did uh like returning players like juniors and seniors versus like all of a sudden a freshman hits the scene?
59:13So like obviously De Hill came in came in hot towards the end of that last season. How often are you looking at
59:18rookies or freshman versus uh returning players? Yeah, it's it's always a dicey proposition with these freshman coming in. Not rookies.
59:27>> I know freshman. I know. I know. Hey, we're trying we're trying to remold everybody to come down and give it a shot here. No offense, of course,
59:36but um uh with that uh the younger guys coming in and sort of vulturing carries from the older guys. It happens all the
59:45time. You know, this is about wins. And if you have a better back that is gives you a better chance to win, these
59:51college coaches lines are on the job.
59:54You get on the hot seat. You're doing everything you can to get off of it or you're moving out quick. There's very
60:00little um you know, I would say loyalty when it comes to the coaching and at the same time they're going to play the best
60:08guys they can. Eric, when you mention an Oregon player, uh, I immediately jump to the schedule and the game that I circle
60:15is September 26th, Hayden, because you know from, uh, at least I do from going through all these draft prospects, Eric, every single spring that every single
60:25one has their best game against the USC Trojans defense. Literally every single one. And this goes years over years over years. I mean, go from Don Kade to Taj
60:32Spears to, you know, Jadarian Price having both of his kick return touchdowns against these USC Trojans.
60:38That's just the star of the list. I can go about 10 deep with it. So, uh, I cannot wait for the Oregon running backs
60:43against your USC Trojans, Hayden, on September 26th.
60:46>> Can I ask a selfish question? Uh, what's going down with USC's offense this year?
60:50We got, uh, returning quarterback. I'm kind of optimistic there. We're a bunch of new skilled guys. Who's who should we be drafting for USC?
60:57>> Sure. Well, I I you mentioned Jaden Mayava, the quarterback there. I love Jade Mayava. I think he's underrated for NFL draft purposes. He's got the size.
61:05He's got touch. He can layer the ball and my gosh, you see some of the throws he made when supplanting Miller Moss two
61:12years ago uh to Jacobe Lane like his placement on the balls in that in the back corner throws Jacobe Lane when
61:19they're in the gold zone and it's like all right we're throwing this up.
61:24Excellent ball placement. Um I knew pretty early on that he was going to supplant Miller Moss in 2024 when I went
61:30to the spring game and it it certainly came to pass. That being said, uh, with USC, it's all about the receiving court.
61:37They've got a great pair of running backs, if you well know. Um, King Miller certainly established himself behind Wayman Jordan when he got hurt, but
61:46Jordan is expected to be back. I think he's electric in an NFL back. But the receiver core, uh, Tuk Hines is the wide
61:52receiver three. He returns, but obviously they vacate two of the best in the Big 10 with Jacobe and and Mai Lemon. So they have three freshman
62:01coming in that are expected to contribute immediately. You can see Trent Mosley, see Wyatt Dixon, Booby Feaster reclassified from the 27 class,
62:11the 26 in order to come in. Um bring in Terrell Anderson from NC State. So there is plenty of opportunity in the wide
62:18receiver room opposite of Tanuk. So I'm very curious to see what we get out of these freshman. shades of the Branch
62:26Lemon Jacobe Lane class years back from this freshman class for USC.
62:31>> All right, we have a wire time.
62:33>> There you go. All right, Eric, one last name. Close it out.
62:36>> Final one. You can't stop drafting this summer.
62:38>> Yeah, we're going to try. We're going to go over to one position each. We got a a running back. We got a wide receiver.
62:44We're going over to to Pit where you guys will appreciate this. Kerwin Bell, old friend. Cerwyn Bell, OC, now the
62:53head coach of Western Carolina. His son, Cade Bell, is the offensive coordinator at Pit. Don't get too excited there, NFL guys. We're all right. We're It's still
63:04college. We're okay. But, uh, their quarterback there, Kbell's quarterback, Mason Heightshaw, was a true freshman last year. was behind a former Alabama
63:15commit um named Eli Holstein who was the starter last season. Few games in it became very clear that that was not
63:22going to work. Bring in Hechill and he wins his first five games as a true freshman throwing 12 touchdowns. Oh, he
63:30was incredible. But a fatal flaw kind of kind of ruined the season for Pittsburgh. They had one of the worst offensive lines of any winning team in
63:40the power four last season. 44 sacks allowed.
63:45>> Kid was running for his life out there.
63:48They have now they have since three departed. They bring in three new uh transfers and they have six offensive linemen now who have started 11 plus
63:58games at the FBS level. So they have addressed that issue and with Heinchil it's so important for college fantasy quarterbacks to have a running component
64:06to them.
64:07>> Y >> even though he only had 86 yards last year and two touchdowns in nine starts again in college you go you lose the
64:15rushing yards when you take sacks >> y >> 44 sacks it just killed him. However he broke 19 tackles last year as a runner.
64:24That is something that I project to to really translate well with a better line and another year where he's under center
64:32and he's taken all those starter reps in the offseason. I expect Mason Heightil to ascend in the pits offense who is
64:40known for throwing 35 plus passes per game and scoring 35 plus points per game. That is a magic formula in college
64:50finanes and production. You make uh Kenny Picket look like a firstrounder. This is like one of these [laughter] offenses to buy
64:57into.
64:59>> Small hands. Kenny probably. Yes. Oh god. I couldn't couldn't have been happier to see him bust. He was extremely smug to me when I [laughter]
65:05talked to him at the combine. So that's what you get. Kenny Picket.
65:10>> Had had Jordan Addison if if I believe that that that'll do it for you.
65:14Correct.
65:14>> True freshman Orton Jordan Addison,00 plus receiving yards as a true freshman.
65:19One of the greats.
65:20>> Yes, that'll do it. Eric, you've said it all. You all can draft your CFF teams right now over on Yahoo. Get a bunch of
65:28your buddies, start a league, or join a public league. And yes, Eric has you covered. Top 300 rankings along with positional ones. So, go and draft at
65:37this very moment. Thank you all for tuning in. We'll see you all next week.