0:00the one thing you love about the show, positivity. You know, we always bring the optimism, right? Not today. Really not these next two shows over the next
0:08five days. Uh we're bringing the heat, we're bringing the pessimism, we're bringing the negativity here. And uh Hayden is on the hot seat with the what
0:17is it, 16 names you need to avoid before round 10.
0:20>> Yeah, I was writing this and one name per round wasn't enough. I I decided to throw in multiple fades uh for each
0:26round. And here's what I'll say. I looked at my exposures. I'm going to do like 200 drafts this year. These are the
0:30guys I'm taking like either literally 0% of the time or like under 3 4% of the time out there. So, we'll talk about
0:37this in the lens of Yahoo ADP, how I'm building teams. Uh, but just know if I'm wrong here, I'm paying for it.
0:44>> The hater rate is flowing over today.
0:46Uh, as you said, our two shows will be slightly different since they come out so close together. Yours is all in
0:51relation to Yahoo's ADP. Mine will be in relation to all homely ADPs kind of aggregated together, combined together.
0:59So, you get a different flavor from each of us. And in fact, I think we might only cross over about two or three names
1:03in our entire list. So, this is going to be a very, very good exercise. All right, we also have the inverse of this,
1:09by the way, where our favorite picks in every single round. So, you know, go watch that video after this round one.
1:16uh give us both names, but start with one of uh who you have the most hesitation of in the first 12 picks,
1:23even though we know the opening 12 picks, they're all pretty damn good at football.
1:26>> These guys are good. Uh James Cook, I've not been drafting all that much. He was the RB6 per game last year. He led the
1:32NFL in rush yards and carries per game.
1:35His 16 half PPR points per game, were two to five points behind the top five running back. So even though he was the
1:42RB6, there was a pretty substantial back uh or difference between CMC, Taylor, Bejan Gibbs, and Devon Adrian just because he didn't catch the ball enough.
1:50That could change.
1:52>> That seems like asking a lot to change when Don Concincaid's actually healthy and you just add DJ more like are you
1:57really going to throw the ball to your running back more uh in that scenario.
2:00He was the RB 39 receptions per game. So I just don't see like that crazy ceiling to compete with like the the top five,
2:07top six picks uh in the draft. So, I've been kind of like doing some funky things at the end of round one. I'll do
2:14Devon Aan with Kenneth Walker, Derk Henry, with Chase Brown. I'll get Unique at the end of the round. Uh, and I think
2:20James Cook will be a very, very strong RB1. I just don't see the pathway for him to like really be the guy that you
2:28needed this year.
2:28>> Yeah, I don't want to press you too much on round one guys because again, they're very good players and it's not like you
2:33dislike James Cook. you just simply tend to prefer some other names that are typically going after him and select him above. Um, which is totally fine. You
2:42know, >> you, me, 10 other people at Yahoo have, you know, an expert draft that is going to be streamed for like three hours next
2:50Tuesday. Uh, obviously you and I are selecting back toback. You had the ninth pick and I have the 10th pick. I'm kind
2:55of open to James Cook at the 10th overall pick. you know, he just did an interview with our buddy Matt Harmon,
3:00and Harmon directly asked him, >> "Hey, you're going to catch more passes this year. Is Joe Brady going to expand the passing offense?" And he basically
3:07refused to answer and said, "You just have to watch." And so, you know, James Cook's game has totally transformed over the last few years now that he owns the
3:13inside of the 10 yard line work. Uh he had eight in the rate of runs of 10 plus yards last year, we know, and then
3:18second in yards per rush and all that stuff. So, if he gets the passing volume on top of that, that's how this goes to
3:24the next level. But at the same time, if it's just the rushing aspect, um, you know, he can be a very solid pick for
3:30you in the back half.
3:31>> Yeah. There's some other weird parts about the the Buffalo Bills, like you have a first time head coach, you lost a
3:36veteran guard, like those type of little things. Just you just never know exactly. They might be pass more pass heavy, but not throw uh throw the ball
3:43to James Cook. So, we'll see. And then my other name real quick is Justin Jefferson.
3:48>> This one I have him like 15th 16th overall.
3:53>> What happened? You used to be with me in the top 12 and now you moved him down to 16.
3:57>> Uh I just like am really warming up to like those other running backs a lot more. I mean he was the wide receiver 31
4:02last year. It was nowhere near his fault. And it's not going to be nearly that bad with Kyler Murray. By the way,
4:07Kyler Murray is my most drafted uh player uh at quarterback. Um it's just to me I like my teams when I have the
4:14running backs over Justin Jefferson. And the fact that like Kyler Murray didn't like run away with this job so early on
4:20has me just a little bit spooked on how this thing could could play out. not to like completely fade Justin Jefferson. I
4:25draft him more than I do James Cook. But if you wanted to go two running backs at the turn instead of Jeff instead of
4:30Justin Jefferson, I think totally fine.
4:33>> I am winding up on an island with my Justin Jefferson take because now it's Hugh, it's Harmon, it's Boone, all
4:38having him outside the top 12 rankings.
4:41I I'm still in because, you know, you you go back to it. He was still, you know, wide receiver three in points per
4:47game with Darnold, wide receiver five with Cousins and Mullins. uh he still owned wide receiver four in terms of team targets across the league and wide
4:53receiver five in terms of air yards. So, you know, for me, if Kyler Murray was my number one drafted quarterback, then I
4:59would also be in on Justin Jefferson, too.
5:01>> Well, Jordan Addison happens to be my highest highest drafted wide receiver.
5:06>> Why not?
5:06>> Okay, this is going to get easier as we go through the board. So, let's now go to round two. Who's your number one fade
5:12in the second round?
5:13>> It's Ashton Genty. I think I've settled that he should be going like late round two, early round three, but I have been
5:21in a lot of drafts since the news and he goes just before that still. So, the ankle injury, it seems like it's not
5:27going to be that big of a deal. It's still pretty vague. Uh, we didn't get any analysis from Clint Goo. I think
5:32he's going to miss either zero games or the first four games, somewhere in that range. Uh, I just have concerns about
5:38the Raiders still. Like I still think their offensive line is pretty it's a work in progress up there. And then you
5:45have the quarterback situation. I think I like Fernando Mendoza, but we are talking about rookie quarterbacks. Those guys tend to struggle. And then the wide
5:52receivers are amongst the worst in the NFL. They're projected for 19 points per game. That's number 28 in the NFL. All
5:59of the running backs near him play in top 16 offenses aside from Devon Aan. I know that Devon Aan's a superstar. I'm
6:07waiting to see that from Ashton Genty.
6:09Uh I can't say that his rookie tape like completely wowed me. He's good on contact. I think it takes him a second
6:14to get through the hole. Maybe a little bit more indecisive than I was expecting him to be. And then the advanced metrics
6:20just show a player that really has to improve to get home. So he was the RB11 in usage last year because the Raiders
6:26were just not good enough to get him to the goal line. I think that Mike Washington's going to actually play a
6:31little bit more on the margins for Ashen Genty. There's too many things to get right when he was the RB16 in a per game
6:37basis last year.
6:38>> That crazy 5 hour window a couple days ago. I was expecting that to drop his ADP in his draft slot way more than it
6:46has. Like, you know, these Yahoo drafts are updating every 48 hours. He's still the first pick in the second round right
6:53now. If you look at baseball, you know, he's still the third pick in the second round. And again, those are updating
6:58constantly. And that's to me at best where he should have been going before this injury, right? When you're talking about the likes of Ken Walker III, Chase
7:08Brown, Devon Achan, heck, even Derrick Henry, and obviously Saquon Barkley ahead of him at this point. Um, I don't think they're adjusting enough. It It's
7:16not just the individual stuff that you're talking about with the offensive line. I also believe that even if Ashen Genty plays in week one, it won't be to
7:23the fullon scale. And I'm not a doctor.
7:25I'm just projecting here. And so if that's the case, then Mike Washington is able to get more work than maybe people
7:32expected him to two or three weeks ago.
7:35And I think Mike Washington Jr. is going to show some stuff when getting that work right. And then if that's the case,
7:39and he does show stuff, then the gap of 86% of the touches last year might drop down to 65% of the touches this year.
7:47And that's a drastic difference when we're talking about back to this one two turn.
7:50>> Yeah. To me, it's like really not even as much about the injury. obviously like he has a a higher injury risk than
7:55anybody else going around him because of just like the setback nature and still a vague injury. Um but I just think that
8:01Mike Washington is a whole lot better than freaking Rake Moster and Dylan Lowry from last year. So I would just be
8:06surprised if he got the exact same workload the year before. Basically the Raiders have to be pretty solid to like average, you know, the 20th best offense
8:15this year for Genty to like really get home. And I I think they're still like a year away. It does sound like the uh
8:21lowest of lowest of low sprain ankles based on insiders. Believe it.
8:26>> It keeps getting lower.
8:27>> It keeps getting lower. All right.
8:29>> Um, real quick, I got Josh Allen in uh round two as a fade. That's just a pricing issue on Yahoo. I draft him at
8:36the round three, four turn. Uh I I've done the number fantasy points over replacement per game using half PPR scoring. Over the last four seasons,
8:44he's been a rock star, but has finished between 18th and 30th overall in those seasons. in full PPR, it would even be a
8:51little bit lower than that. That's when he's been like an MVP player. That's when he's been a red zone or a goal line
8:57absolute warrior out there. So, you know, there's like too many things that can go wrong slightly for Josh Allen in round two. In round three, round four,
9:05knock yourself out. I'm not going to say anything else about it.
9:08>> Yeah. Just one final point on Ashen Genty. He's being selected as the running back seven or running back nine, depending on your platform. Uh that's
9:1515th overall at worst. Uh he finishes the running back 17 last year. You know, I think going from awful to average
9:25shouldn't have the running back 17 be the running just the overall 15th player. Like I thought I was doing a massive service going from the running
9:32back 17 to the 18th overall player, but I'm just not winding up with him at all in draft because people just are uh
9:39>> going extreme with with the draft slot.
9:41Okay.
9:41>> Yep.
9:42>> Round three. Give us a name.
9:43>> All right. Trey McBride at the very top of the round here. I think just recent history suggests that we have to be very
9:49careful drafting elite tight ends. Trey McBride was the exception. Last year I was in on Trey McBride that year.
9:55There's just too many new variables this year to feel confident that this is going to repeat. Obviously, I still have Trey McBride as a great pick. As you get
10:03to like the last part of round three, but early round three, I would just rather take my swings on the running
10:08backs. Uh like Jeremiah Love, for example, any of the wide receivers, like if Nico Collins is there, I just feel way better about that. McBride led the
10:16regular season in routes by 63. That's not tight ends. That's all players.
10:20Number two was Michael Wilson. That was because this team was in crazy garbage uh time the entire season. And then even
10:27when they weren't in garbage time, they were still number one in neutral pass rate. I just find that hard to believe
10:32happening again with the floor on the sticks. You add Jeremiah Love to the back field. I think it's going to be a
10:38more balanced offense. I don't think they're going to do the PPR scam here.
10:42And Arizona is still 31st in projected points per game. That feels a little bit light to me. They're only ahead of the
10:48New York Jets. But the difference between the Jets and the Cardinals is the Jets have one pass catcher drafted in the top 160 picks in fantasy. The
10:57Cardinals have three in the top 90. So the target competition versus the projected touchdowns. I think that that math's hard to kind of square away. Uh
11:05McBride's literally one of my favorite players in the entire NFL. If he falls to 34th somewhere over there, I'm gonna draft him for sure. The 25th overall
11:14ADP. I just I think that's, you know, buying the top.
11:16>> We all like to project which bottom offense by the markets is going to outperform that considerably. All the chips and all the draft picks are in the
11:26position of the Cardinals. I kind of want to be in the side of the New York Jets with uh Garrett Wilson and Bruce
11:31Hall of this versus everyone else on on the Cardinals. So, um maybe that's wrong, maybe it's right. We'll see.
11:37Yeah. I mean, you mentioned the next closest pass catcher was what, 63 routes. The next closest tight end for Tre McBry was 120 routes. That's three
11:44games, >> four games, >> you know. So, >> with with that said, >> if he would got 120 extra routes in
11:53comparison like that he did last year, that would be an end of the round one two turn player, you know? Uh, right now
11:59he's going in the two three turn. So, we're already getting somewhat of a discount on it, but I I I totally
12:04understand. And to me, it goes back to the Drew Pettingness of it all, too. Of focusing on tight ends as the primary
12:09read. Anyone else from round three you want to bring up?
12:12>> Yeah, Rashi Rice still working his way back from a second surgery to his knee.
12:16I think that's like maybe kind of like we forgot about that because, you know, he was in jail for 30 days. But right
12:22before we learned that he was going to jail, we did learn that he had to have a cleanup procedure on that knee. And then
12:28I think since then, I haven't just like noticed that he's just like back to himself. Uh the Chiefs reporter Nate Taylor believes that even getting 900
12:35yards for a she rice is asking too much after watching him. Um and I just think that that role that he's had that little
12:42spread shotgun uh get the ball out quickly yards after the catch role. One, if he's not up to speed, there's no
12:49reason to be doing that. Number two, I don't think they're going to be doing that because Patrick Mahomes gonna be playing in a new offense because Kenneth
12:54Walker is gonna be doing a whole lot more under center. Plus, you have all the weirdness with Rashi Rice off the
13:00field. So, I never thought he was like some elite player. I think that he might be the worst real life wide receiver
13:05that gets drafted anywhere in this range. Um, not good against man coverage, really explosive uh in zone and in like the scramble drill. I'm not
13:14sure if we're going to get that styled offense as much this year.
13:17>> All right, take us to round four.
13:18>> This was a tough tough one for me. I have Joe Bros, the last pick on Yahoo um in round four. I didn't really have
13:26anything negative to say about this entire round. It feels like a really strong round this year. Uh you can draft Joe Burrow, I guess, in the fifth round
13:33if you have, you know, Jamar Chase, but that's like only in half PPR. And I think I would rather just wait. There's
13:40some of these like expert drafts, you know, and uh some of the higher stake stuff. Joe Burrow will go like round
13:46seven, round eight, round nine. And I think, you know, maybe we're overthinking that, like the quote unquote experts here, but I do think
13:53that there's still some wide receivers, uh, a Coulson Lovelin falling, taking a swing on like a DeAndre Swift at running back. All those guys are much better
14:01picks in round four than going with, uh, a statue quarterback. He's been the the um, quarterback five um, since 2022, but
14:10the entire top 20 at quarterback is within three and a half points from that. So, I would rather just do double
14:15up quarterbacks way later on and try to beat uh the rest of my league in the flex.
14:20>> The next wide receiver names that span across the entire fifth round after Joe Burrow are on Yahoo are Garrett Wilson,
14:26Terry McCorin, Devonte Adams, Luther Burton, and DJ Moore.
14:30>> Yeah, fun names.
14:31>> Yeah, fun. Very, very, very fun names.
14:34Um, yeah, there are certain rounds where I like every single pick >> and then there are other rounds where I want to completely abandon that and not
14:42take a single player. And yeah, round four, like going halfway through round three, too, to me is like the real sweet
14:48spot in this year.
14:49>> It's nice.
14:50>> Speaking of our our draft again on Tuesday, it's going to be a big deal.
14:52It's going to be streamed live, by the way, on the Yahoo Fantasy channel here on on YouTube. Um, are you happy with
14:58the 109? I'm I love the 110. Yeah, I'm gonna have to, you know, reach on one of the running backs in the first round.
15:04So, we'll see which one I'm going to do that with. Uh, but I do like how the board plays at the 34 turn and then I
15:10usually can get the wide rece a wide receiver that I like in round five to kind of fall to me. So, it's a good spot
15:15to to be in this year. Jir Gibbs is still terrifying to me and like Puka like these guys at the top like but the
15:22round two three turn is a lot hits a lot different than the the top, you know, the top 10 running backs at the one two
15:28turn. I mean, you know this. Uh, two of the running backs that you really want will will not be getting back to you at
15:33the 204.
15:34>> Well, maybe I take one that I want in front of you.
15:36>> I know. Well, I I'm I'm thrilled with this spot. Yeah, Joel Smith has the 101.
15:41Uh, so we'll see. All right. Join us for that. By the way, round five.
15:46>> All right. Two running backs here, David Montgomery and Bucky Irving. Uh, David Montgomery, I think you're first of all, have you you have to overcome like the
15:54wear and tear. I mean, he's been a bellcow for a very very long time. Uh, and he's kind of reaching like the the
16:01spot where we've seen other running backs kind of fall off a cliff. And I think as you look at the Texans since CJ
16:06Straans have been there, the Texans are 31st in EPA per carry, 22nd in rush yards per game. Uh, just not good
16:13enough. Uh, Joe Mixon was able to get home, but Joe Mixon was Joe Mixon before this. Like David Montgomery is just like
16:19not Joe Mixon. Uh and then also the Texans gave him a whole lot more money uh in that season rather than what
16:27they've done with the David Montgomery contract. If you look at it in the 2023 and 2025 seasons, the Texans did not
16:34have a running back inside the top 34 uh on a per game basis. Woody Marks is going to his second season. Seems like
16:41he's like improving as a rusher. I didn't like his tape as a rookie if I'm being completely honest, but he can
16:47catch passes. He can pass protect. He stood out in the preseason games. He seems to be making noise in training camp. It's not going to be a 5050
16:55backfield, but let's say it's a 6238 backfield. I'm not sure if I want the 62% uh of the Texans offensive line.
17:02They're starting an out of position rookie center. I think three potentially washed veterans. They keep changing the offensive line, but they don't actually
17:11like really invested uh into it in a way that makes me feel confident. Plus David Montgomery coming off uh one of his
17:17worst uh seasons in missed tackles per touch rate.
17:20>> We covered this in the 15 rankings changes we made after preseason week two that to me this Texans backfield is one
17:27of the most underdised storylines out there especially when you're talking about Dave Montgomery being a early and I mean the second pick of the fifth
17:34round uh selection and it's because this is the dead zone profile to a team that has bit us in past years. Um, Dave
17:43Montgomery was great with the Lions, but he's coming off technically his worst season with less volume. So, you're not drafting him because of age. You're not
17:51drafting him necessarily because of explosiveness. You're not drafting him because of the great offensive line that he's going behind. It might be good, but
17:57they're still shuffling. And in fact, one of their offensive line that paid a two-year $20 million contract to got card off of practice today,
18:03unfortunately. Uh, and then you're going with a play caller that we just don't know if he can install a running game
18:08successfully yet for this team. Plus, Woody Marks emerging, too. So, like you're saying, if it's 55 or 60% to 40 or 45%, that is a much different
18:19conversation than uh for a guy that to me the crux of the conversation is all about the volume that he's going to have
18:26this season.
18:27>> Yeah, I didn't even see the Braden Smith. That's the right tackle. Um that that would be a big deal if if the cart
18:31means he's out for extended time. And then quickly on Bucky Irving, uh he was 65th in rush yards over expected, 64th
18:38in EPA per carry out of 66 qualifying running backs last year. He was playing through injury, but he also just did not
18:44seem like he was like quite as explosive. And you always just go back to that that rookie season that he had,
18:50but that was with Liam Cohen, who he knows awesome. And that Bucks offense was fourth in scoring at 29 points per
18:56game. Tampa Bay is 18th in projected points at 23. So, like a full touchdown is coming off the board and versus that
19:02season that he went crazy with. He's getting squeezed by Kenneth Gainwell through the air. That's a two-year $14 million contract. Kenny Gainwell's a
19:10pros pro. And then we'll see about the goal line touches after coming back from shoulder and foot injuries in week 13.
19:17Bucky Irving did not have a goal line carry. Shawn Tucker had six of them.
19:20Even Rashad White had one of them inside the 5 yard line there. We'll see if that sticks. The fact that I even have to
19:26mention that is a little bit scary for a fifth rounder. Tampa Bay's offensive line is good that rookie season that Bucky Irving was playing. He was very
19:34good. So, he is one of these guys like there is like theoretical upside here. I just think that we're trying to overcome
19:39a lot and we're also talking about 195 pound rusher who wants like finish on contact with a shoulder injury history.
19:46So, um I I'm there just too many red flags for me in this early.
19:50>> Can I admit something? I think Bucky Irving in my mind is one of the players that has risen up the most this month.
19:57Um, however, it is tough to move him up higher in rankings because I like Judarian Price, I like Bashel Tuton, and
20:05then it's, you know, in draft Montgomery and Quinch Jun drafted ahead of him along with Cam Scataboo. Um, >> yeah, >> I can see though how Bucky Irving, his
20:13running back 23 years, the seventh pick of the fifth round, has a great season.
20:18We're already kind of hearing some of that where Kenny Gainwell is just a pass catcher. You might hear about him in my
20:23episode and version of this. Um Sean Tucker has gotten some reports they might not make the roster and this offensive line is awesome. So like I can
20:33see a pathway as someone who really liked Bucky heading into the league, how this really pays off. Uh, but at the
20:40same time, because of all the wide receivers, not to mention some of the running backs I just mentioned, that might not reflect itself in the rankings
20:46or the drafting that I have this month.
20:49Does that make sense?
20:50>> No. Yeah, he's got there. I I see the pathway for upside. I just like the other players going around him more,
20:56particularly the wide receivers. Like I I would rather like, you know, continue to to go into the running backs with the
21:02Travis Hands and, you know, you like Kairen Williams. like I'm still like those three four uh running backs too where at a certain point I have to stop
21:10taking running backs and I do like a lot of those uh fifth round wide receivers.
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22:06Saturday, August 29th at 3 p.m. Next up is round six. Uh you have one you have one name, a clear name for you here.
22:15>> One one name, Trayvon Henderson, uh drafted him only 2% of the time and I don't remember drafting those 2% of the
22:20time. That might have been, you know, a ghost picks there. Um when Raandre and Henderson were both healthy inside the 5
22:26yard yard line carries went 12 to4 obviously in favor of Raandre when they were both healthy in the four games in
22:32the NFL playoffs. Raandre 11.6 half PPR points. Tayvon 3.4 fantasy points per game. That's when they're trying to win a dang Super Bowl.
22:42So there's a huge gap that he has to overcome this off season. I haven't been reading anything very positive about Tayvon Henderson's off seasonason. I'm
22:50expecting him to get a little bit better. I'm not expecting him to be better than Raandre Stevenson, who's like 245 pounds at the goal line or in
22:57pass protection. Those are two pretty big areas because uh Raandre Stevenson would get there in like the two-minute drill uh and catch some passes. Beyond
23:05that, Raandre is like pretty underrated in general. Like for example, last year NextGen stats, their tracking data had Raandre with the best rush yards over
23:14expected in the NFL. So Trayvon could obviously be the guy that you needed if Randre goes down or fumbles multiple times, but I can say that about Blake
23:23Cororm, Kyle Manungai, Tank Bsby, Mike Washington. Those guys go five rounds later, you know? So I just don't want to take like a who I view kind of like a
23:32contingent-based uh bet in the sixth round. To me, I just I'm looking at other names and I can do that in round
23:38eight, nine, 10.
23:39>> Yeah. Just on Yahoo specifically, Trevan Henderson is the first pick of the sixth round and Randre Stevenson is the second
23:45pick of the seventh round. Uh let's just say I'll have more to say about this name too on my version of this episode
23:50on on Sunday.
23:51>> There we go.
23:52>> All right, round seven. Some interesting names here, Hayden. The first one all the way down at 1% of the time is, you
24:00know, just the fourth overall pick in the NFL draft.
24:02>> Yeah, I'm not drafting Carnell Tate. I looked at it. The Titans are the team I've drafted collectively the least. Uh,
24:09and I feel good about that. Uh, I liked Carnell Tate as a prospect, but I will admit, uh, he is not like the type of
24:16wide receiver that like typically goes like inside the top five. Like there's he is nowhere near like the Jamar Chase level guys. So, um, I think that he
24:24could be like a Calvin Ridley, DeAndre Hopkins if he like really continues to develop, Jeremy Mlin. Um, but we're talking about a 21-year-old early
24:33declare who's going to need some more development. And then the Cam Ward side of this stuff, it makes me really nervous. It might be the worst offensive
24:40line in the NFL. Cam Ward was not good behind it last year. Titans were 30th in scoring, 30th in pass yards per game.
24:46The preseason games have not been great for Cam Ward or anybody. Uh, you know, Carnell Tate's gone catchless on 25 routes, for example. Um, and then I look
24:56look at the tape and it just seems like they're going to do like the RPO quick game nonsense to Wel Robinson this
25:01entire season. So, it's just a lot to overcome. uh car I'll take Cam Ward could just be so good um and they reach
25:08their ceiling and I'll take the L here but it's it's a lot to get right and I just don't trust Dball with that
25:14offensive line.
25:14>> Could this be the end of the road for Brian Dball in the NFL? I mean we're saying that before week one even kicks
25:19off.
25:19>> Well, >> but it it really might be.
25:22>> Yeah. Some people say he's a a Josh Allen merchant.
25:25>> Oh, all right.
25:27>> Not me. I would never say that. You know, you would like to think that you can funnel targets and receptions in the
25:33direction of Carninal Tate, but if he's a pure outside wide receiver, that can be difficult from an offensive line blocking standpoint uh and maybe a
25:41quarterback who's basically in his rookie year all over again.
25:45>> Cardinal Tate's kind of like Marv in that he's going to be a good player, but he's going to be tasked with
25:53>> But those are fighting words coming from you. I mean, that is you buried him saying that. it it's he's gonna have to
25:59be in the most difficult position and I can't say that Carninal Tate is like >> absolutely with like rocket ships where
26:06you have to manufacture touches for him.
26:08>> My god, you loved Carninal Tate in the draft process and here we are >> on August 26th where the headline the
26:15quote is I mean we pull quotes from players and coaches all the time.
26:19>> Carell Tate is kind of like Marv period.
26:23>> I mean is that do you disagree?
26:27Um, other than Parker Washington, do you like any of the wide receivers going in round seven here for Onyahoo? It's Marv,
26:33it's Tate, it's Brian Thomas Jr., DK Metaf, and then it's Alec Pierce, Jordan Tyson after that.
26:41>> I don't like anybody in round seven. I I could >> Yeah, I've not seen a I've not been in a
26:46draft where Parker Washington goes in round seven in a long time, but uh I'm glad that you guys could could do that.
26:52Jaylen Warren is also a round seven pick on Yahoo. So, you have to get past him to get to Parker Washington. Let's put
26:57it that way.
26:58>> Uh, round eight. Oh, no. You have another name here in round seven.
27:01>> Yeah, Jonathan Brooks. I'm not doing the the round seven, round six Jonathan Brooks stuff. Uh, it's too much to overcome. Multiple ACL tears, almost
27:08zero NFL experience. You know, they're the price tag is now assuming he's going to be the Panthers starter. Uh, not even
27:15sure we want the Panthers starter if it's going to be a version of the committee. You know, they're projected for 20.8 points per game. that's 26. Uh
27:23they have like in theory they could have a good offensive line, but it's a lot of guys coming back from injuries and like
27:28new faces that that type of thing. Uh in the last playoff game, Chuba Hover scored two touchdowns on 17 touches.
27:34Like people kind of forget about that because Rico Dattle got hot in the middle of the season, but by the end of
27:38it, it was back to Chuba. And then in 2024, Chuba Huard was the RB12 and RB7 usage. He was RB4 and rush yards over
27:46expected. During that season, they signed him to a 4-year $33 million extension. He's been a team captain for games before. The the coaching staff
27:53does like him. I think that the bar to pass uh Chuba Hubard is higher than other people are leading on. And then in
28:00the preseason, this matters to me the least. I've not seen like, you know, the next coming of a great running back.
28:06He's missed some some pass protection stuff. I think that his cutting and and overall athleticism, it's not standing out to me. It's not like I'm writing him
28:14off. Uh but just too many things have to go right here to get the Panthers starting running back. Uh I'm fine
28:19missing out. Yeah, I that that's very fair that they want this backfield to be a split backfield basically. I >> agree. Um and you know, Rico went off
28:26for the 200 plus yard games when uh it wasn't a split backfield at all and Chuba Hopper was dealing with injuries.
28:31So yeah, I mean the only thing with this team is they run the football when they're good at it and they're bad at it
28:34and they might be bad at it for quite a bit at this point.
28:38>> Round eight, you have two names here.
28:40Give it to me.
28:40>> Yeah, Rico Doubt is a 1% player. I I've weirdly talked about, you know, Jaylen Warren 400 times, so I think I'll I'll
28:46I'll, you know, stop uh going into that.
28:49This is where I have George KD as as a fade in round eight. Now, if he goes later than than this, like I'm to
28:55totally open to this, especially when you have like your Jawan Johnson, Isaiah Likely, uh Daltton Schultz, like these type of guys kind of coming on where you
29:02could, you know, buy some time with George KD. I think if he you're getting into round eight, you're kind of expecting George KD to to matter early
29:09on. and you know he's almost 33 years old and he had his his Achilles surgery on July 14th of this year. Now he's been
29:17the outlier. He can do it again. Um but >> January 14th. You said July.
29:22>> Yeah. Yeah. That would be Now that would be that would be insane.
29:25>> That would be that would be quite the return. Uh January 14th. I think most likely he's out there in week two and
29:31he's not a full-time player and they're easing him into the season. And at some point we're going to have to, you know,
29:36uh say that the snap counts are high enough where we actually trust him. Uh, and he's been somebody that has not, you
29:42know, gotten home like Travis Kelce who were like, "All right, this is another nine target game." His comes in the variety of like, I'm getting six targets
29:48per game and I'm just the best player ever to do it. And if we don't get that exact level of explosiveness coming off
29:54an Achilles tear, then you start to worry about the volume and the numbers kind of mattering. So later on than this, totally fine with it. I'm not
30:02expecting him to be like a top 10 tight end uh until way later in the season.
30:06And you know, we're dealing with somebody coming back from a torn. You never know what happens after that.
30:11>> Yeah. If if tuned yesterday's episode, you know that hey and I disagree on George KD. Uh we won't rehash that here
30:17today. You can just go back and watch that episode. Uh it is the 10 players that we disagree on most in drafts this
30:22year. And I think that was a really quality discussion from start to finish last year. I know people are liking it.
30:27So go and watch that if you want more of the positive end of George KD. you know, a guy that's finished as top five tight
30:33end points per game over the last eight straight seasons.
30:36>> Uh, okay, round nine. Let's close it out. You still have two names here. Uh, and one of them might just be the best
30:43quarterback of his generation.
30:45>> I was speaking of players that just have been awesome forever. Uh, Chris Godwin and Patrick Mahomes. Um, let's start with uh Patrick Mahomes, get this one
30:54just kind of out of the way. He was the quarterback 10 from 2023 and 2024. that was with this exact uh flawed
31:01passcatching group that he still has. Uh it was not his fault, but he was only the quarterback 10. And then last year,
31:08he comes back and he scrambles his way to a careerhigh 30 rushing yards per game. The rest of the quarterback uh top
31:1510 list is on injured reserve. He has an actual quality season. That type of season, I don't think is on the table
31:22coming off a torn ACL, especially when you add Kenneth Walker. I would be surprised if his uh uh scramble yards are even like half of what they were
31:32last year. And I don't think we're going to go back to the Chiefs offense where they were leading the league in pass
31:37attempts. I just don't think that's exactly what they want to do. The interior offensive line is too powerful.
31:43Mahomes coming off this injury. They finally have a running back that Andy Reid could rely on. Uh, and then just you can never trust this receiving core.
31:52Like whatever we're calling Rashi Rice, Xavier Worthy, and Travis, uh, Kelsey at this age, it's just not good enough. So, uh, if I'm not drafting Rasheed Rice,
32:01I'm trying to stack my quarterbacks in this range. And for those kind of like, you know, pushing Mahomes up, I just
32:07think there's no reason to do that when, you know, Jared Goff, Malik Willis, Kyler Murray, all these guys, pick any of them. I don't even care which one. I
32:15just don't think there's a reason to be pushing Mahomes up the board.
32:18>> Yeah. Yeah, if you look at last season, all quarterbacks that started at least 10 games, Patrick Mahomes was fourth in
32:25rushing yards per game at 30.1. That's more than Lamar Jackson, Drake May, and Jaylen Herz had in rushing yards per game.
32:35>> And then if you go over to rushing touchdowns, like you said, uh he was fifth in total across the league. Uh,
32:42and that was only in 14 games played versus the guys ahead of him had 16, 17, 14, and 17 games played
32:48>> without the sneak. Like that's because he was scrambling. Like do you are you expecting to scramble and for touchdowns this year?
32:53>> No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. I'm accentuating your point here that exactly that type of ceiling because Patrick Mahomes in the passing, you
33:01know, is awesome always even if he doesn't have, you know, people around him. uh the ceiling then kind of gets unlocked for someone like him when you
33:09have the rushing aspect of it and uh I just don't expect that to continue this year at all.
33:14>> Yeah, agree with that. Uh and then last one, Chris Godwin, this is just watching Chris Godwin last year and then um watching Amecha Igbuka,
33:25I just think we're the the transition is here. Amecha is going to be the guy that they're going to uh center the pass game
33:31through underneath uh over the middle.
33:34Chris Godman's a slot only player to me at this point and he has to just be way better than what he was last year. Uh I
33:41thought he was dropping passes in contested catch situations, but it wasn't just that. Uh and I'll I'll go over to to Matt Harmon's reception
33:48perception right here.
33:50>> He had a sixth percentile rating against zone coverage last year, a 16th percentile rating against man coverage.
33:56Like that is nowhere near where Chris Godwin has typically been. And if you look at the success rate uh chart that
34:03he has, there's a lot more red than there is green and yellow there. Um so could he bounce back as a 30-year-old?
34:09It's possible, but that's a lot of injuries that he's had, the ankle, the ACL. Uh and I think a mechan can do a
34:16lot of the stuff that prime Chris Godwin was able to do. Um so I I've been fading him.
34:22>> Chris Godwin is one of those names that I have no idea what to do with this summer. Zero. Like on the positive end,
34:28I could say, "Hey, he was coming back after signing that big deal from a dislocated ankle and he just didn't heal
34:33correctly as we have seen with other people."
34:36>> Um, and most likely has a turf toe and that can linger on and on.
34:43>> Uh, and so could Chris Godwin like theoretically lead this team in receiving this year? I that is a small possibility, but I think it's a
34:50possibility.
34:51>> Yes. But on the opposite end, he looked like garbage last year, you know, like his hands weren't even close to as good
34:57and consistent as they were in in previous seasons along with everything that that you brought up. So like again, kind of comes to these veterans where
35:06we've seen the best from them, we've seen the worst from them, and our brains then don't know which side of that to
35:11choose. Even if like maybe there isn't a side to choose, and it's just right down the middle, we get a little bit of both
35:16all season long. So yeah, Chris Godwin again, when I go through all my rankings, I have no idea. My brain freezes if I know to move him up or if I
35:24move him down.
35:25>> I'm kind of he's he's in a range where like I could draft him just when whenever I'm on the clock, I I'll go
35:31Josh DS, I'll go Jordan, I go Matthew Golden over him. Um this also like a decent range to find quarterbacks instead of wide receivers. Like if I'm
35:40double clicking quarterbacks and advising everyone else to do that, like round 9, 10, 11 is like the range to be doing that. So, I'm usually saving a
35:48bullet or two for for other positions um as well. So, yeah, we'll see. It just was not the same player last year. If he
35:55comes back, awesome. Uh I've been loading up on Amecha Buuka a whole lot more. Um hopefully uh the toe injury doesn't bite me.
36:03>> All right, that does it. That's a lot of names in 35 minutes. Hopefully you enjoyed that episode. Uh tomorrow Hayden
36:10has some guests on some familiar faces and uh you know Sam Sherman who just won a whole big tournament in uh you know
36:17fantasy football history last year and Jacob Sanderson who's on this channel too. So uh both those guys are excellent. They've done great work for
36:24us in the past and they're going to join Hayden here on the channel tomorrow's episode and then uh on Sunday we'll have
36:30my fades of the season and then next week we kick things off with uh our final rankings for each position as we
36:37head into the biggest week of drafting out there for fantasy football.
36:42>> Speaking of rankings, I've got my kicker solo video dropping uh sometime this weekend. Uh I actually did some research. Uh you know, don't haze me.
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