0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Ahead on the Insiders, an epic finish to week five on Monday Night Football.
0:07How the Rams regroup. Returning to the lineup, Caleb Williams and Lamar Jackson.
0:11Progress reports on the way and mounting losses for some teams.
0:14Kicking off an early edition of the Coaching Carousel Conversations.
0:17All that is on the way. I think we would all take another couple of possessions from the Bills and the Rams.
0:24We do have some fallout from the finale to week five that we'll get to as we welcome you to the Insiders on this Tuesday.
0:32Presented by Progressive Insurance, Rhett Lewis, Jeff Darlington, Mike Garofalo, Ian Rapoport, and Judy Battista.
0:36As we take you back to how things finished up from SoFi Stadium.
0:40And it was James Cook breaking the 27-27 tie but leaving Matthew Stafford some time.
0:45He expertly guides the Rams all the way down the field.
0:49Puka Nacua with a first down on second and five.
0:52And now inside the five, Kyron Williams had a big catch on third down and he finishes off this touchdown drive.
0:58In the end zone they kick the extra point and we are headed to overtime.
1:03Matthew Stafford, Josh Allen, the last two MVPs in the NFL.
1:06Some respect at the coin toss. Bills get the ball first and Nate Landman who had already punched out the ball from
1:13the grasp of James Cook earlier in the game.
1:16Does it again this time the Rams recover and feel like they have a shot.
1:21Not a winning. For the win, Harrison Nevis from 48 yards out.
1:24No serve. Greg Russo, all six foot six inches of his frame, getting a finger on the football and giving James Cook
1:31and the Bills a new lease on life. And Josh Allen more than happy to take advantage.
1:36Here he goes for 19 already getting them inside the field goal range for Tyler Bass.
1:41Inside the 40, he had another 13 yards to set up a 45 yard attempt and Tyler Bass puts it through.
1:48And Josh Allen with the first overtime victory of his career.
1:5137-34. Bills go to four and one. Rams fall to two and three.
1:55And it was a tough night for Harrison Nevis.
1:58Missed that field goal. Missed the game winner after it got blocked.
2:02Missed more field goals than any kicker in the league thus far and is no longer the Rams kicker.
2:08Released today as the Rams signed Blake Groupie off the Jets practice squad.
2:12And now we will check in with Ian Rappaport on this move.
2:16Felt like the blocking a vacuum is a hard one, obviously, but this felt like it was the accumulation of a lot
2:23of things that had gone wrong with the field goal unit there in Harrison Nevis' time in L.A.
2:28Yeah, that's a fair summation right there. Sean Nevis saying after the game, the special teams unit, not just the block, but
2:35the entire special teams unit in general, just not good enough.
2:38And really threw some of the blame for this pretty stunning loss on that group.
2:43Now you're right. Harrison Nevis, not the only reason that the Rams lost.
2:47The block was not all on him and actually tried a couple different methods of getting it back at the group.
2:54They took him off kickoffs and yesterday put him back on kickoffs.
2:57Either way, it was simply not working. So as part duty to improve these special teams unit, which no doubt the Rams
3:04had needed to do, but also in a way to send a message to a team that if you do not perform
3:11on game day, that you are simply not going to be on this team.
3:15The highest of expectations of what follows the Rams.
3:18Some of the reason for the loss was a dramatic block, which again was not Nevis' fault.
3:23He gets he becomes essentially the fall guy and the entire locker room has been put on notice.
3:29Well, it's fine to change out the kicker. They had other special teams issues.
3:33Also, the opening kickoff was returned 70 yards, so they had some coverage issues there.
3:38This has been an ongoing issue for the Rams over the last few years.
3:42Trouble on special teams. They have lost five games in the last two seasons because of special teams gaffes.
3:48Talking to people around the league, one person said to me, when you have a team full of superstars, you are not
3:55allocating resources to maybe a difference maker on your special teams unit.
3:59And that's fine. You can construct your roster that way, but you've got to find another way to emphasize how important special teams is.
4:06Maybe spend more time in practice on it. Spend more time in training camp on it.
4:11But allocate resources somewhere else. You've got to send the signal to the team that it is still an important part of the game.
4:19I go back to Joe DiCamillis, the former special teams coordinator for the Rams when he left the Rams and went to coach in college football.
4:27He said, I wanted to be back someplace where special teams was emphasized.
4:31Certainly the Rams are trying to fix what has bothered them for the last few seasons.
4:36They did bring in a new special teams coordinator.
4:39They did sign two special team specific players this offseason.
4:42Now they are changing out the kicker. What they've got to hope is that they get it right and that by the
4:49time they get it right, it does not cost them more games.
4:52Special teams being a part of the Rams problems right now.
4:56The other thing is you got to come out of the gate stronger during these games.
5:01I mean, they've been better in the second half.
5:04That's the good news. The problem is they've been sluggish in the first half, sort of like they were last night and like they were against the Eagles.
5:12And they're having to rely on these comebacks. And that's going to be the difference.
5:17That fine line between winning and losing. And look, there is a high expectations for this team that they were not only
5:24going to win a lot of games, but they were going to win a lot of games handily because of all the additions.
5:31Aaron Donald joining an already good defense and coming back.
5:34Miles Garrett as well. We'll see him in the near future return.
5:38Plus that guy, Matthew Stafford coming back as MVP with all the firepower they have on offense.
5:43They just haven't looked like that. Now they're still working.
5:46Sean McVay still got to get these guys to understand that despite what the likes of us said coming into the season, it's still about earning it.
5:55It's still about going out and improving. And they have been good.
5:58They just haven't been great. So this is going to be a challenge for him to make sure that he gets them
6:05to understand the difference between good and great. Jeff, don't be working for it.
6:10Yeah, Mike, you mentioned the fine line at the beginning of that, and that goes both ways.
6:15And I think the thing for me, Rhett, at the beginning of this, you mentioned the stat that for Josh Allen, this
6:22is the first overtime win of his career, but it's even deeper than that.
6:26He was 0-7 in overtimes, three of which came in the postseason.
6:30I mean, that is a huge monkey to get off of his back in this situation.
6:35So I think from that aspect of it, it kind of shows Josh Allen that, hey, maybe things can go your way.
6:42The thing that I continue, you see him running here, 121 rushing yards.
6:46That is awesome when we look at it in a vacuum.
6:49But as we know from this Bills team, it has to be more than Josh Allen.
6:54Yes, it is worth recognizing that they needed that blocked kick to get them to this point.
6:59They need to be able to rely on more than Josh Allen.
7:03And it does help that this is the first overtime win that he gets.
7:08It does kind of shift that momentum in his direction.
7:11But it's got to be more than Josh. And right now, it's still all Josh.
7:15And then there was this situation at the end of the game, after the game.
7:20Some words being shared between Alaric Jackson and Bradley Chubb.
7:23Jackson approaches Chubb with a few other players and staff members kind of standing nearby.
7:28Then comes the punch from Jackson. And so now, after all this is caught on tape, Alaric Jackson has officially been suspended
7:35two games for punching Bradley Chubb in that moment there.
7:38So he will miss the Cardinals week six game here against the Rams week six game against the Cardinals here at home.
7:45And then the following week in Vegas against the Raiders.
7:48Lamar Jackson unable to suit up Sunday night. So, Snoop Huntley helped guide the Ravens to a win over the Falcons.
7:54But things are looking good for Jackson to return from the ankle injury this week against the Browns.
8:00And what do they need to do to know Lamar is good to go?
8:04Well, my understanding is they are hopeful that Lamar Jackson is good to go.
8:09Didn't practice at all last week. And I think a lot of us, including me by the way, assumed that he was
8:15pretty far away from being out there. Sounds like he was closer to playing than maybe we had realized.
8:21I do expect Lamar Jackson to be out on the field tomorrow working his way back from what is a relatively odd type of ankle sprain.
8:29You know, we've seen several instances of Lamar Jackson over the last couple of years taking a little bit longer to recover than one might think.
8:37It has been a storyline for him through the last several years.
8:41My understanding is he was extremely diligent inside the facility.
8:44This time he has been working like crazy to get back.
8:48There's a pretty good chance that Lamar is on the field this weekend for the Ravens, Jeff.
8:53When you get big wins like that without your starting quarterback though, I mean it almost feels like it's worth two.
9:00Because you almost go into these games feeling like, okay, if we can play well here, if we can grab a win
9:06here and there until Lamar gets back, you know, so be it.
9:10And this game I think was a huge statement, not merely because they got a win with the backup quarterback, but because
9:17they did it against a team that felt like they had a ton of momentum coming out of their previous week.
9:24The Falcons have looked really good, but for the Ravens to go out there and show what a complete team that they are.
9:31I think that sends a huge message to the rest of the league and it also affords them the ability.
9:37I'm not saying that they're going to, you know, make a decision on Lamar's health based on the available, the success or failures of Huntley.
9:45But you do feel in the back of your mind like, hey, we're going to be okay.
9:50And I think that's important for this Ravens team.
9:53No question. And for the Bears, Caleb Williams has missed the last three games and coming off their actually for their first
10:00loss without it this week to the Packers. Case Keenum and Tyson Baygent have both seen time in Williams' absence.
10:06Mike, how close are we getting to Caleb Williams returning to his position as the starting quarterback here?
10:11Close rep might be downright imminent here. And I reported on Sunday that Caleb Williams is pushing to return to the playing field.
10:19And that might run counter to some memes and some videos and some pictures that some folks had some fun with thinking
10:25that he was a little dramatic with this injury.
10:28But look, it's a three week injury. That's about the time we thought he might come back.
10:34He got that practice in last week, felt good and was really telling the team, I think I can push this even farther and have a realistic shot.
10:42It sounds like they are in agreement with that.
10:45We've got to see how the week goes. We're always going to put that out there when it comes to hamstring injuries
10:52of the sort where something can be tweaked. But I know that there is optimism that Caleb Williams is on the right
10:59track and could be back on the field pumping his fist while running onto the field, not being taken off on a cart.
11:06Okay. Exactly. Enthusiastically. Yeah. And by the way, I think that, you know, we talk about all these other things about the thin line and the recovery window.
11:15You know, this is a team now that's saying we need him back as soon as we can get him.
11:21And Ben Johnson made it clear. Like, it looks like it could be Atlanta or shortly after the problem is shortly after is really shortly after.
11:29It's a quick turnaround when they play the Patriots on Thursday.
11:32So it's not like they're getting the extra week out of it.
11:36But yeah, man, this Bears team, they need them pumping that fist, Mike.
11:40All right. Knee recovery kept Michael Penix out for the first two games of the season.
11:45And after a stellar two game stretch in his return, Penix unable to finish on Sunday night with a rib injury.
11:52But Ian sounds like there is some optimism that this won't keep him from playing again this Sunday versus the Bears.
11:58What more do you know on that front? Yeah.
12:01Michael Penix is considered day to day with that rib injury and go back to the last game.
12:07Remember he was balling. They were in overtime. He thought he was going to be able to come back.
12:12Then there was just a long log way into the sideline.
12:16It tightened up, got cold. He was not able to get out there, which is why Tua Tagovailoa came on and eventually lost the game with that interception.
12:25But the hope immediately afterward from Michael Penix was that he would be out on the field.
12:30It's considered day to day. Test basically confirmed what everyone had thought.
12:34And if he is able to go out there and practice tomorrow, it sounds like there's a pretty good chance that he is able to do.
12:42Expect Michael Penix Jr. To start to be back in the line up and continue the really, really strong play that he has shown since he's been healthy.
12:50Well, the Tampa Bay Bucs got a win on Thursday in Baker Mayfield's absence.
12:55And this week we kind of marked the very short end of that injury timeline for Baker after suffering the thumb injury
13:02back in week three against the Vikings. Mayfield pushing to make his return this Sunday versus the Steelers.
13:07Mike Garofalo, how realistic is Baker's plan to get back on the field?
13:11Yeah. Baker, like Caleb Williams, wants to get back on the field as soon as possible.
13:16Jaden Daniels, throw him in there as well. There was a thought that maybe he could wait another week, but he worked his way back.
13:24So sometimes you can force the issue, talk your way into it.
13:28But at some point the injury is going to speak for itself.
13:32Now, if he's back on the practice field in some capacity this week, I wouldn't be surprised.
13:37But this is on the earlier side of the window that we thought it was going to be three weeks plus potentially for Baker Mayfield to return.
13:45So he's going to have to make some significant progress to convince the Buccaneers that he can be out there this Sunday
13:52against the Steelers instead of Jaden Daniels. We'll keep an eye on it.
13:56But if he's not playing this week, I wouldn't be shocked yet.
14:00Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't feel quite like the Raven situation with Lamar Jackson and Tyler Huntley where it's like you get that
14:07win and you feel like this has a balanced team.
14:10I think the Bucs are coming out of that saying like, I mean, that's unbelievable.
14:14We just beat the Cowboys. And I think Todd Bowles said it best.
14:18Like when you have a young quarterback, you've got to lean on your ground game.
14:23You're going to live and die by that ground game.
14:26And Bucky Irving basically said, fine, let's do it.
14:29And I think a lot of us need to remember Bucky Irving is a premier running back in the NFL, a top
14:36tier running back who doesn't necessarily get spoken in the same vein as some of the bigger names like Christian McCaffrey and Derrick Henry.
14:43But this is a dude who put this team on his shoulders and said, we're going to win this game.
14:50And you see those numbers right there. If they can keep that going, they're going to be effective.
14:55But I can tell you right now that every team saw exactly what the Bucs did there.
15:00And until they get Baker Mayfield back, they're going to say, we are going to stop Bucky Irving and make the rookie win with his arm.
15:09All right, Jeff, a lot more to come here on this edition of the Insiders.
15:13For some teams, the optimism of a new season has quickly turned to thoughts of next season.
15:19Word around the league on whether next season is even a reality for some coaches.
15:23Plus, Bo Nix and the Broncos scored early in their matchup against the Chargers and then came alive late to hold on
15:30for what was their third win of the season.
15:33And no time to waste with Thursday night football coming down the pipe.
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16:12Speaking of the Super Bowl, we got a Super Bowl matchup for you on Thursday night football.
16:17Broncos and Seahawks. Remember that Super Bowl 48, of course.
16:20And while the Broncos offense not nearly as prolific as it was in that season, they did find a way to win their third of the season.
16:29This last week did score in the first half, which feels like some progress.
16:33Omar Ruiz joining us now live for the Broncos facility there at Denver and kind of getting a sense here for where things go now.
16:41Sean Payton back to calling the plays. Omar, what are the Broncos saying about those continued efforts to get this offense on track?
16:48Yeah, right. Sean Payton, a lot of talk about wanting Bo Nix to let it rip.
16:53He said there is a balance between minimizing risks while also trying to make plays downfield, even when that play appears to
17:00be covered like scrambling until Nix is able to find a throw to make that happen.
17:05As for taking back play calling duties, I asked Sean Payton if it was like riding a bike or if he felt
17:11like he got some rust off against the Chargers on Sunday.
17:15He said a little bit of both, had to get used to a little bit of subtle changes in terminology.
17:21And then he also said this. I wish it was like riding a bike because my memories of riding bikes was always carefree, relaxing.
17:29So I wouldn't use that necessarily. But you do get used to how fast everything goes, especially when you go from college
17:35to the NFL and the clock is much quicker.
17:38It's not easy. It's really not. It's tough. It's, you know, it's a mental battle.
17:43And that's kind of where I find myself, you know, sometimes in a season like this where it's not as good as
17:50you want it to look, but you're winning and you're playing tough teams and you've gotten close against a few more tough teams.
17:57And, you know, there's going to be tough teams down the road.
18:01So it's all about taking it one game at a time.
18:04And at the end of the day, just finding ways to win and then learning from your losses.
18:10As for those big injuries to the Broncos secondary, Riley Moss, who's nursing a ribs injury, was a limited participant in practice for a second straight day.
18:18He missed Sunday's game against the Chargers, of course, as did Patrick Sertan, who did not practice today for the second day
18:25in a row as he continues to nurse an ankle injury.
18:28And Talanoa Hufunga, who also was injured with an ankle injury on Sunday, also did not practice for the second day in a row.
18:36So key injuries to watch, Rhett, as we head into Thursday.
18:39Yeah, and on the Seahawks side, Jackson Smith and Jigba are limited in practice for the second straight day for the Seahawks as well.
18:47Omar, thanks very much. Okay, so once we get past Thursday night, we'll get to London Sunday morning, 930 a.m.
18:53Eastern time. Texans fresh off their first win of the season, going to battle the Jaguars from London.
18:59Again, you can catch live right here on NFL Network and on the ESPN.
19:03Judy, a lot made of D'Amico Ryan's decision to take over play calling on the defensive side for Houston seemed to work
19:10in week five, getting their first win. How do they kind of continue that trend here moving forward against a very good Jacksonville Jaguars offense?
19:18Well, it did seem to work. They held the Titans to three points.
19:22Cam Ward was sacked four times. They were getting a lot of pressure.
19:26They had them in third and long constantly. They just couldn't get anything going on the offense.
19:31So yes, the defense of the Texans certainly looked much more effective than it has in the early games.
19:37Now, of course, the obvious question is, is that a function of D'Amico Ryan's taking over play calling?
19:42Or is it a function of the fact that the Titans have been struggling on offense all season?
19:48We're certainly going to get a much better read on this when they face the Jaguars in London this weekend.
19:54The Jaguars have been very successful so far. They're going to have to get pressure on Trevor Lawrence and disrupt him.
20:01They're going to have to be able to stop the run.
20:04Those are things they had been struggling with early in the season.
20:08We'll see if they can do it against the Jaguars.
20:11Certainly, they have a huge opportunity here if they can disrupt Trevor Lawrence and they have had really good pass rushers, even
20:18though the defense hasn't been playing well. If they can win this game against the Jaguars, they're right back in the mix
20:25in the division despite the 0-4 start. So huge opening here for the Texans and the Jaguars in or a little bit banged up going into this game.
20:33Yeah, I mean the fact that Will Anderson's playing like maybe the best defensive end in the NFL.
20:39It's great for the Houston Texans. Not great for the team that they are facing.
20:44Jacksonville Jaguars not going to have Anton Harrison. They're really, really good and sturdy starting left tackle.
20:49He has been placed on injured reserve earlier today.
20:52My understanding is he is going to have knee surgery when he returns from London when he gets back to the state.
20:59So what's going to happen in this knee surgery is the doctor is going to go in and then decide during the
21:05surgery how long he is going to be out and basically what procedure they're going to do.
21:11If they just trim, my understanding is that it's a meniscus.
21:14So if they just trim the meniscus, then he's out probably a couple weeks, maybe four weeks or so.
21:20If it needs a full repair reconstruction, then he is out months, likely out the rest of the regular season.
21:26So a lot rides on this surgery once he returns from London.
21:30Okay, Ian, thanks very much. Struggles of the season can compound week over week.
21:34Mismanagement in key areas with the game on the line can add to an equation of uneasiness when it comes to job security.
21:42And as the losses pile up, are some teams already considering a reset at head coach?
21:47That is next. This is going to be a battle between the two heavyweights in the West.
21:52JSM makes a man miss. Touchdown! Brock drops back.
21:55Throws! Caught! The lead back! Darnold steps up, throws, and it's caught.
21:58Cooper Cupp dives shy of the line to kick over!
22:01San Francisco improves to 5-0 and now have a stranglehold on the NFC West.
22:06No quarterback better than Brock Purdy in the fourth quarter this season.
22:10Tops at QBR, passing touchdown to interception ratio has not been sacked, has not given the ball away, and a big reason
22:16why the 49ers were able to go eight plays, 43 yards in five minutes of time to let Eddie Pinheiro kick a
22:2344-yard field goal that would serve as the game winner, 32-29.
22:27Seahawks fall, Niners remain undefeated. On the flip side of well-managed end-of-game drives was this in overtime from the Commanders.
22:33Absolutely zero urgency as the clock ran down on second and eight with no timeouts, needing to spike the ball just to
22:40get a field goal opportunity for the win! And the clock simply runs out on the Commanders.
22:45And the frustration, evidence from Dan Quinn and likely everyone inside that Commanders organization.
22:49As you look at their fourth quarter defense this season, at or near the bottom in so many key categories, points per game allowed.
22:57Opponents third down percentage are staying on the field on drives in the fourth quarter.
23:02And now Mike Garofalo back here with us. Mike, that was a tough scene.
23:06Obviously in overtime there for Dan Quinn, Commanders squandered an opportunity to win it over in overtime, look lost, unprepared, the opposite of urgent.
23:13Now Quinn took accountability there. But how does this play out for him inside that building?
23:18We're going to find out and we're going to find out in a hurry because this is a tough game coming up
23:25for them against the 49ers this coming Monday. It is followed by a bye.
23:30And we always look to Thursday night games and bye weeks for potential head coaching changes.
23:35Look, we came into this season and there were a lot of changes on the coaching staff.
23:40The next change after that is usually the head coach.
23:43So we were clear about Dan Quinn needing to have results this upcoming season to continue in 2027 as the coach of the Commanders.
23:50Now the question is, could something happen in season?
23:53And some of those answers inside that locker room were a little bit questionable.
23:58It was like ask DQ and some folks saying no comment with some of the ones that were reported there.
24:04So Dan Quinn's got to get these guys by the bootstraps.
24:07He's got an extra day because of the Monday night game.
24:11But then you got that bye week after and there's a lot of folks, Judy, around the league that are now talking about the potential.
24:18Could this be an opening for a coaching change?
24:21We don't know what the result of the game is going to be.
24:25And if it's, let's say, a close loss, maybe does he hang on?
24:29But if it's a blowout, then some of this drum beats going to get a little bit louder.
24:35All right. Two things from talking to different people around the league.
24:39One is most people seem to think that the original play call was intended to be a pass to the left sideline.
24:45Jaden Daniels decided to do something else. And of course, the most damning part of all of it is that it's clear
24:52that nobody on the offense knew what the game situation was.
24:56And that, of course, goes directly to coaching, not just to Dan Quinn, but to the entire coaching staff.
25:02Somebody needed to be communicating to the offense what the situation was.
25:05Then I talked to another executive who has dealt with a lot of owners, and he said to me, there are some
25:12losses that linger longer in owners' minds than others.
25:15And this is that kind of loss. He said this is the kind of loss that is very, very difficult to come
25:22back from unless you take a team on a deep run.
25:25He said it's really hard for an owner to get past a humiliating loss like that to a division rival.
25:32Keep all of that in mind. Everybody around the league that I have talked to feels bad.
25:37Everybody likes Dan Quinn. They like him. They think he's a great defensive coach.
25:41But this was just something that nobody could understand how this could happen on Dan Quinn's watch.
25:46And they're also not sure that any coach, any coach could survive it.
25:51Okay. More trouble for a potential, more potential trouble for a head coach with Jim Harbaugh and his Chargers.
25:56Now, 0-5 this season, last place in the AFC West.
26:00They're giving the ball away more than any team in the league.
26:03They gave up 13 fourth-quarter points to the Denver Broncos at home on Sunday, leading to their fifth straight loss, 23-17.
26:100-5 on the season. Ian, it's gone real bad.
26:13Real quick here. Any sense that Jim Harbaugh could be in some trouble?
26:17But my understanding is Jim Harbaugh is not in trouble as of right now.
26:21There's nothing imminent. I don't get the sense inside the building that this is something they're weighing or discussing or expecting.
26:28They think this is a talented team. They think this is a team that can win, and they do believe in this
26:34coaching staff, the entirety of the staff, as one that can get things done.
26:39That said, if these struggles continue, if they continue to look like a fully unprepared team, then of course changes would have to be considered.
26:47I just don't get the sense that there's anything being considered right now.
26:51And one of the more interesting parts of this is that Mike McDaniels' offense, which they had such high hopes for, really hasn't delivered at all.
26:59And if that continues to be the case, they do have someone inside the building who has been a really successful offensive coordinator in Adam Gase.
27:07And I know people sort of roll their eyes.
27:10He had, at some point, the highest scoring offense in NFL history.
27:13Pretty good coach. So if they do end up making a move, that would be someone who could step in.
27:19But Mike, they don't seem like they're anywhere close to that inside the Chargers' building.
27:24No, and Jim Harbaugh's had a chance to sort of rally the troops, at least via his press conferences.
27:30And it just doesn't seem like that same fire from Harbaugh, which is why some folks are looking at it and say,
27:37is this a guy that we could be potentially talking about as we get toward the end of the season, into the
27:44end of the season, as a potential coaching change?
27:47I don't know. I mean, Jim Harbaugh, throughout his time as the head coach of the 49ers in DeMichigan, he had that fire.
27:54He had that energy. And that energy seems to have been zapped this year at a time where this team badly needs it.
28:01So can Jim Harbaugh find a way to energize not only himself, but this entire locker room and find a way to
28:08scrape some wins together, Jeff, and get this somehow moving in the right direction?
28:12Because right now they seem listless and so does he.
28:15I think when you look across the coaching landscape, it's always really interesting because the perceptions before the season do kind of
28:22play its part in how we feel now. For instance, Ian saying that, you know, it doesn't feel like Harbaugh is necessarily
28:29in the hot seat based on the people he's talking to.
28:32You look at two guys like Todd Bowles and Aaron Glenn.
28:36They sort of came into the season slightly on the hot seat, at least the very warm seat.
28:41And suddenly though, this is where you kind of have to take pause because as much as it felt like it was
28:48destined for inevitable firings for both of those guys at some point, then they go win two games.
28:54One beats the Browns, one beats the Cowboys. So we are at this weird time of the season when it feels like
29:01you're starting to draw some conclusions and the second you do, it gets flipped on its head.
29:06So I think it's important to be especially patient at this time of year.
29:10But it's pretty crazy when we're looking across the league, seeing backup quarterbacks, we're seeing coaches on the hot seat, and we're really through five games.
29:18And it's incredible how much has already happened. Well, this is very much a week to week league.
29:24And in the case of those two that you just mentioned, Bowles and Aaron Glenn, they both came out with victories.
29:30Their teams looked a lot better. And because of their divisions they're in, they're not that far out of the race.
29:37So if they can piece, especially the Bucs in the NFC South, which is always open, if they can piece together a
29:44few wins here, they are right back in the mix in their division race and certainly potentially in a wild card race.
29:51So hold everything. It's only week five. We'll get to the hot seat later in the season.
29:56Things heating up, certainly in Philadelphia after another Eagles loss.
29:59Good news though, Big Dom says they're going to get things fixed.
30:03How remains the question. Well, getting some key players like Saquon Barkley and Devontae Smith back healthy would be a start.
30:09Updates on that front when we come back. All right, couple of big games in the national spotlight here as we kick
30:16off week six in the Sunday of week six from London.
30:20Texans, Jaguars, AFC South battle live on NFL Network.
30:22We wrap up week six in Santa Clara with the commanders visiting the Niners as they try to stay undefeated Monday night football.
30:308 p.m. Eastern time on ABC ESPN and on the ESPN app.
30:33All right, so the Eagles did not fare well in London, although Jake Elliott kicked a field goal near the end of regulation.
30:41I stress near that put the Eagles up by what?
30:44They left eight seconds on the clock. They kicked to Amir Abdullah.
30:47Amir Abdullah went 53 yards on the return and with one second left on the clock.
30:52Cam Little, big leg from 57, breaking the hearts of the Eagles and sending them back across the Atlantic Ocean with their third loss of the season.
31:01Mike Garofalo back here. Well, look, it would help as the Eagles try to get things back on track to get some of their stars back.
31:09Saquon Barkley, Devontae Smith missed that game in London.
31:12What's the status on their recoveries? They've got a shot.
31:15It sounds like the Eagles are expecting one at least back, if not both, for Devontae Smith and Saquon Barkley.
31:21That is a great indication because these are the two most important offensive weapons available for Jalen Hurts.
31:27Now, just like I told you with Caleb Williams, when we get to these hamstrings, we've got to see because just a little slip here or there.
31:35And all of a sudden the guy tweaks it.
31:38So we've got to see how it goes throughout the week.
31:41But at the very least, the Eagles have some optimism heading into the work week that they are going to get back
31:48some of this huge offensive firepower via Saquon Barkley and or Devontae Smith.
31:52You talk about expectations, Mike. There's no way that we came into the season believing this was a game where we expected
31:59this to be either shootout or exciting. And then the Carolina Panthers started playing some offense.
32:04And, you know, we thought the defense was going to be OK.
32:08They built it up a bunch in the offseason.
32:10That really was the focus. They are. You hope Bryce Young takes a little bit of a step.
32:16But he leaves the NFL in passing. And that is about as big a step as you can get.
32:22And consider the fact Eagles aren't the only ones getting healthy.
32:25Carolina Panthers getting healthy at the receiver position as well.
32:28This is a sneaky, really, really challenging game for the Eagles.
32:32Jaguars were kind of similar. Jaguars are really good.
32:35Stress them on all different sides. The Carolina Panthers are going to do the same.
32:39Can they stop the Bryce Young passing attack? It's a very, very real question now.
32:44Yeah. Bryce Young leading the NFL with 317 passing yards per game this season.
32:48Michael Parsons, torn ACL week 15 last season. Of course, has not played yet this season.
32:53Has not practiced yet as his recovery continues. And will not play against his former team, the Cowboys, which had kind of
33:00been a loose target for Parsons himself to get back from this injury.
33:04And what does Michael Parsons have to do to get back onto the practice field and work his way back into a game situation here for the Packers?
33:13Michael Parsons has to meet the benchmarks that Green Bay Packers doctors have set in order for them to believe that his knee is fully healthy.
33:21Now, it wasn't just an ACL. It was an ACL and a meniscus.
33:25And the Packers are one of the most conservative medical staffs in the NFL.
33:29Obviously, they know about football and care about football.
33:32They care about medical much more. These are all medical decisions for the Green Bay Packers.
33:37The kind of thing that the football side really doesn't influence.
33:41So the doctors don't feel like Michael Parsons is ready.
33:44They really don't care if he's playing the Cowboys this week or whoever next week.
33:48The hope is sooner rather than later. Perhaps next week he'll be practicing.
33:52And they want him when he is on the field, Judy, to be 100 percent and ready.
33:58And just not yet. Well, I think we were all hoping for that reunion.
34:02But what the Cowboys are really hoping for is a better defense.
34:06And to that end, they are bringing in veteran defensive coordinator Mike Pettin to join the staff.
34:11Now, this is being positioned as him being there to be a sounding board for defensive coordinator Christian Parker.
34:17But it's hard to look at this as anything as maybe usurping some of his authority as a defensive coordinator.
34:23The defense has just struggled terribly after they lost the game to the Bucs.
34:28Of course, an undrafted rookie. They ran on them all night long.
34:31Jerry Jones said he felt like the defense was back where it started.
34:35That was a pretty bad indication for where the defense is.
34:39So Mike Pettin is coming in. We will see if that improves the defense.
34:43There is really only one way for it to go at this point.
34:47Okay, Judy, much more to get to as we continue on the insiders.
34:51I won't say not, but could there be something in the air on a future night for the Las Vegas Raiders and
34:58Fernando Mendoza after making his debut last week? That's next.
35:01We'll see you next time. Just wait and see.
35:04This was a 13-7 game at the half. We saw 35 fourth quarter points in this game.
35:09We are going to overtime. Are you ready? This time ball comes out!
35:13His second fumble of the ninth. The winning drive.
35:16They're inside field goal range. And out of SoFi with an overtime win.
35:20Epic finish on Monday night. Bills get their fourth win.
35:23Time for good coverage presented by Progressive Insurance. Josh Allen dominating the Rams with his legs on Monday night rushing for 121 yards and a score.
35:31Allen running for 91 of those 121 yards in the fourth quarter and overtime alone clutch when his team needed it the most.
35:39That ranks second, by the way, by a quarterback in a fourth quarter plus overtime since 2000.
35:44Trailing only Mike Vicks. 94 rushing yards in a game where he helped beat the Giants back in 2010.
35:50All right, Ian. The Bills are staying out west here as they get set to battle the Raiders in Las Vegas.
35:56Raiders got blown out by the Patriots in Foxboro.
35:59We did see Fernando Mendoza make his NFL debut.
36:02Not necessarily because Kirk Cousins was playing poorly. They gave up over 500 yards of offense to the New England Patriots.
36:08But Mendoza played well. Is there any sense that we could be seeing more of Mendoza down the line?
36:14Eventually you hope to see a lot of. Well, yeah, it just doesn't seem like it's in the near future.
36:21And especially, Rhett, you being the proud Indiana alum that you are.
36:24Let's go. Let's go. I know you're the one to push for this question.
36:29Look at how well he played. I know you're the one to push for this topic.
36:34It's fine. You're a homer for our guy, Fernando.
36:36I saw you guys having the bromance when we were in Las Vegas for training camp.
36:41It's all fine. I just don't get the sense, Judy, that it's going to come anytime soon.
36:47And the Las Vegas Raiders, reality is, are good enough right now where they don't need to force anything.
36:53Kirk Cousins is playing well enough where Mendoza can just play when they need him to in short spurts before they eventually
36:59turn it over to him for good. Well, and as Rhett himself just said, Kirk Cousins is not necessarily playing poorly.
37:06And he's really got a chance for a rebound game this week against the Bills, who are winning games and scoring a lot of points.
37:14And Josh Allen puts on the Superman cape. But they're not doing such a great job stopping opposing passers.
37:20And they haven't really since week one. I was at their game against the Texans.
37:24They are getting shredded by opposing passers. They give up a lot of passing yards.
37:29They give up a lot of points. So certainly this is an opportunity for the Raiders and Kirk Cousins to bounce back and maybe keep Fernando Mendoza.
37:37I'm sorry, Rhett, on the bench for a little while longer.
37:41Hey, it's all good. Let's continue looking at another matchup here this week.
37:45Patriots who just got that win over the Raiders getting set to battle the Jets here in week six.
37:51And Drake Bay is starting to play here week four.
37:5437 points per game. QB rating first as well.
37:57Offensive touchdowns most in the league in the last two weeks.
38:00Mike Garofalo. He's doing all of this without A.J.
38:03Brown in the lineup, which could change here soon.
38:06Well, yeah, it can change. But you make that note because when Drake Maye was struggling, we were asking people, what's wrong with Drake Maye?
38:14And they said nothing's wrong with Drake May. He's just making some decisions during the game that aren't the best.
38:20And he's been fine during the week. And hey, don't forget, he's doing this without A.J.
38:25Brown. Well, now that excuse is gone because he's played better without him, which is a great thing because when you add
38:32a really good player back into the mix, you hope not only is Drake May going to continue to play as well as he has.
38:39He may play even better because they built so much around what A.J.
38:43Brown does in this offense and his ability to run with the football after a catch.
38:48So a lot of the quick stuff that they tried to complete here with A.J.
38:53Brown adding more on top of that, that's going to be another element of their offense, Ian, that they didn't have last year.
39:00So the hope is now you've got Drake May on the right path.
39:04Now you've got A.J. Brown healthy potentially this week.
39:07And this offense could get to a new level that we really haven't seen at all since Drake May has taken over.
39:14Yeah, it would be awfully quick for A.J. Brown.
39:17Anything's possible would be a great surprise for the New England Patriots.
39:20Meanwhile, going to play likely for the next couple weeks without a couple of their really, really good players.
39:26Trayvon Henderson, their standout running back dealing with a high ankle sprain, as colleague Adam Schefter reported.
39:32So they have a game this Sunday, then they got the Thursday game.
39:36I would expect him to miss both. That is not great there.
39:39Although Ramondre Stevenson has certainly played well enough. And then tackle Will Campbell, MCL sprain in his knee also week to week.
39:46We'll get at the potential missing both of those games, Judy.
39:50So yes, the Patriots still shorthanded. Well, the loss of Will Campbell is the one to really keep an eye on because
39:57David Bailey, the rookie pass rusher for the New York Jets, absolutely blew up the Cleveland Browns offense last weekend.
40:03He is poised to do it now. Big breakout performance for him.
40:07Three sacks against the Browns, all kinds of pressures, all kinds of quarterback hits.
40:11And Aaron Glenn made the point of saying he's also stopping the run really well, too, which is not something that anybody
40:18is even looking for him to do necessarily. So big breakout performance for David Bailey.
40:22The Patriots are going to have to account for him, especially with Will Campbell out of the game.
40:28Okay. A lot more to get to here on this Tuesday edition of the Insiders.
40:33James Winston and the Giants finding a way to not lose.
40:36It was a tie against the commanders. We'll get into what's next there for the Giants.
40:41Plus some news on a Bears edge rusher out for a couple of weeks.
40:45That's nice. All right. Some news out of Chicago today as the Bears top edge rusher Montez sweat two sacks already this season.
40:53Will now be suspended for two games. Violating the NFL policy on performance enhancing substances.
40:57Bears three and two. They've got to travel to Atlanta this week.
41:01And then week seven will battle the New England Patriots at home.
41:05New York Giants will take on the Saints this week.
41:08And James Winston connecting on 33 of 54 passes for over 300 yards and a trio of touchdowns in a tie.
41:14But considering how things worked out over time feel a lot better about that tie for the New York Giants.
41:21What's working for them right now with James at the helm on offense Judy.
41:25Well what worked for them against the commanders at least in the second half of the game was they went more up tempo.
41:32They were running no huddle. Now this was out of necessity.
41:35The offense was really in a slog in the first half not getting anywhere.
41:40And ever since Jackson Dart went down the Giants have wanted to be a run first team really pound the run.
41:46It just hasn't worked out that way as much as they had hoped.
41:50But what did work out was the up tempo stuff and John Harper in talking to reporters said yesterday they probably need
41:57to do more of that with James. And that means putting the ball in James's hands.
42:02He was spreading the ball around though to Malik neighbors and Isaiah likely that's their two best playmakers right now.
42:08I would expect to see a little bit more up tempo stuff from the Giants going forward.
42:14Well any kind of positive tempo would be good for the Tennessee Titans.
42:18Cam Ward just three touchdowns matched with three interceptions 187 total yards this last week on a loss to the Texans second
42:25time they've been under 200 total yards on offense only team in the league to have that distinction.
42:30Any sense that patience is wearing thin on Cam Ward as a starter there in Tennessee.
42:35Nope nope. Nope. Do I have to say anymore?
42:38No they are sticking by Cam Ward and they believe that his best football is still ahead of him.
42:44And despite the numbers that are not up there anymore but we're up there they feel like there is progress there and they feel like there is momentum.
42:53And at some point there's going to be a breakthrough and at some point it's going to be positive.
42:59Bring those numbers back control room. They are on it right here.
43:02So no still a lot of faith inside that building for Cam Ward and for what's to come.
43:08All right losses continue to mount. Oh and five trying to figure it out are the Tennessee Titans with Cam Ward at the helm.
43:15They will travel to Indianapolis this week to battle cults.
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