0:00All right, it is 12.02 on YouTube, but it is 5 o'clock somewhere.
0:03We're still working out a few technical kinks, but we are live and we are live now.
0:08And more importantly, we are live with Fantasy Football Royalty with the legend himself, former Matthew Berry rider, Denny, Austin Ekeler, number
0:14one running back in Fantasy for multiple years, friend of Fantasy, friend to the Fantasy community, former podcast host, proud Fantasy Life investor.
0:20Austin Ekeler, number 30 on the field, number one in your hearts.
0:23Appreciate you, man. Thank you so much for coming by.
0:26Absolutely, man. Thanks for having me back on the show.
0:28It's always been a pleasure and looking forward to today.
0:31And I know you said it's 12 o'clock, but I see some red solo cups there on your desk.
0:36Yeah, well, it's 5 o'clock somewhere, man. It's the Happy Hour bar.
0:39We're open, brother. Grab a drink. Are you in Vegas right now?
0:43I know you live in Vegas these days. I'm out in the desert.
0:46Absolutely. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's always drinking time in Las Vegas.
0:50All right, we're going to get into the biggest running back questions.
0:53And I'm so excited to have you, Austin, because in addition to obviously being an elite running back in the NFL for
0:59so many years and being a fantasy football legend yourself, you're also somebody that actually plays, right?
1:03You know, you play fantasy football. You're in multiple leagues.
1:06You have your own fantasy company, Fantasy Royale, which we're going to talk about a little bit later.
1:11I know there's ways that people can play fantasy with you this year.
1:14I know you and I are doing something with Fantasy Royale, so we'll talk about that a little bit later in the show.
1:20But Austin Eckler's Fantasy Royale, we're excited about that as well.
1:23But you're somebody who understands not only the game from an X's and O's standpoint, obviously, because you played it at the
1:29highest level, but you understand what we, the fantasy degenerates, all need.
1:32So I'm excited to get your answers on all the biggest questions for fantasy football in the running back position of the year.
1:38But the first question I have to ask you is the obvious one, like, what's going on?
1:43Are we playing this year? Am I going to get to see you on the field?
1:47What's happening? You've got a lot going on. You've got businesses.
1:50I need to know what's going on with number 30.
1:53It's the mystery that's hovering over my head that everyone's wondering about.
1:56And, you know, for me, I got to look for the right situation.
1:59For me, I'm coming off an Achilles tear. I'm fully healthy, back in the weight room, pushing a ton of weight like usual.
2:05That's like my safe place. So I knew that wasn't going to be a problem.
2:09It was just a matter of time for me to get back on my feet, back on my feet.
2:14Now what's next, Austin? Where are you going to be?
2:17Am I going to draft you? I get it.
2:20All the DMs every day. Awesome. Should I take you?
2:22What's going on? Where are you going to be playing?
2:25So for me, it comes down to a few things because now I'm in year going into year 10.
2:30What's the situation as far as the running back as a committee?
2:33Is it going to be, hey, Austin, we want you to kind of be this kind of support role?
2:38I'm at that time in my career where I'm more of a support role guy.
2:42That's kind of where I see myself. And so for me, okay, what is the situation with the coaching?
2:47What's the timing of the team? And is it a right fit for Austin?
2:51So I'm playing it slow right now. I have no reason to rush into anything and looking for the best opportunity for me.
2:57Is that going to be week one? Is that going to be later on?
3:01Maybe there's an injury that pops up and presents an opportunity for me.
3:04That's kind of how I see it right now.
3:07Just kind of looking for the right opportunity. And if it doesn't present itself, am I okay with, hey, that was my career going a different direction.
3:14I'm a new dad. So I'm in the dog days right now of being a new father.
3:18You know, barely any sleep. As you know, I just barely jumped on this right in time.
3:23Because we push snooze one time and all of a sudden, wait a minute, it's been 30 minutes later.
3:28So that's where I'm at right now. Looking for the right situation.
3:31And if that doesn't present itself, we'll see, you know, if I jump into the next life, you know, just looking for the best fantasy players out there.
3:38Well, I appreciate it. You're at a point in your career where you can be picky.
3:43I'm sure a lot of teams have been talking to you and your agents.
3:46Hey, how's Austin feeling? Is he healthy? Is he interested?
3:49He's available. And for sure, you know, like at this stage of your career, why go to a situation that's not going to be right for you?
3:56You need a lot of things. You know, you want what's your role?
4:00What's the coaching? Is the team any good? And let me hit on that.
4:03Yeah, absolutely. Because, yeah, what is the situation? Is that, you know, am I going to a team?
4:08And here's the thing. Depending on how much you love football, you know, will depend on how broad you're willing to have the opportunity.
4:15For me, I would absolutely want to be on a team that's making a playoff run in this part of my career.
4:20If I'm jumping on to, you know, get on a team that's maybe just scraping by, putting my body through that, you
4:26know, the way I play and, you know, just how hard on my ankles, my lower extremities that I am, I'm like,
4:32ah, that's not as intriguing to me, just being honest.
4:35And then, you know, you said, you know, team's interested.
4:38It's always funny because as a player, this is like a little insight for us.
4:41Like you always get people that are hitting up your agent because there's a lot of scouts out there and they keep in touch.
4:48And so like, yeah, they're interested. They're asking about you, but it's all talk.
4:52Like it's all talk. Like until there's actual dollars being, you know, discussed, I don't want to hear, oh, they're talking about you.
4:58Like that doesn't, that doesn't intrigue me. You know, it's great for, that's why you have an agent to kind of take on those calls.
5:04But until that actually gets serious, for me, it's like, okay, the opportunity hasn't presented itself for me to actually want to
5:10go back to an actual opportunity that seems advantageous for me and where my mind is right now.
5:15So yeah, I want to give you a little lore from the athlete's side.
5:19We're like, you hear a lot of talk out there, but it's got to be, it's got to be real.
5:24You know? No, I appreciate that. Absolutely. Yeah. Show Austin the money.
5:27I will say that the chat is showing you the love.
5:30I don't know if you just saw that, but sweep the leg saying, thank you, Austin, for winning me multiple fantasy championships.
5:36I know I speak for everyone. Everyone sweep the leg says you single-handedly won my league in 2021.
5:41Thank you for your regular football and fantasy football contributions.
5:43I know I speak for fantasy football nation when I say thank you, Austin Eckler.
5:47We hope this is not the last time we have seen you play, but if it is, it is an awesome career
5:53that you can hang your hat on, both from an NFL and fantasy football perspective.
5:57You're a legend in our hearts. And so thank you.
6:00And hopefully, again, like we see the right situation develops and we get to see 30 on the field another time.
6:05Absolutely. I got one last story because I think it's important.
6:08I think it's cool for the fantasy community anyway.
6:11Like when I came into the NFL, I had no idea about any of this fantasy stuff.
6:15So really for me, I was just out there playing.
6:18I was like, hey, my fans of my team are going to be my fans.
6:22Like that was what I expected, right? So I came in with the Chargers.
6:26I think I'm just going to have a bunch of Chargers fans.
6:29And I think it was my rookie year. We were playing the Jaguars and I finally had gotten a chance to get
6:35a little bit more of a start. That was kind of my first time kind of coming into the scene in the fantasy space.
6:41No one really knew who I was because I was a special teams guy.
6:45And so I ended up having like I had two touchdowns, like 140 yards one game popped off.
6:50It was my first kind of like, oh, Austin can actually play offense moment.
6:53And there was a situation in four minute where I was in the game.
6:57Melvin was hurt. Melvin Gordon was on the team.
6:59He was a starter at the time. And it was four minute and I fumbled the ball.
7:04And we ended up losing the game in overtime.
7:06And this is the first time I ever realized how passionate the fantasy community was because I had tons of fans, Charger fans, pissed off.
7:13A rookie shouldn't be in the game. You should have never had that opportunity.
7:17You blew it. You fumbled. But at the same time, I had even more fans from fantasy being like, you're amazing.
7:22I love you. And I'm like, wait a minute.
7:25Like, I'm confused. But OK, I popped off for the fantasy community.
7:28But then, you know, for the Chargers, they were pissed off because obviously we lost the game.
7:32So that was my first introduction to the fantasy community.
7:35Like, oh, they don't really care how you do on your how your team does.
7:39They care how you perform for them. So shout out to the fantasy community for showing love.
7:44And nowadays, last thing I'll end with this, is pretty much 99% of people that come up to me are, hey, you have me on your fantasy.
7:51Like, barely any are like, hey, I loved you on the Commanders or I loved you on the Chargers.
7:56And so shout out to the fantasy community out there.
7:58I wanted to share that story with you guys because it's been all love for a long time.
8:03Yeah. Well, listen, I mean, I'm wearing your jersey right now.
8:06And I'm wearing it from, you know, when you were the number one running back in fantasy.
8:11This is this is your jersey. Like, you were my ride or die.
8:14Like, you made me look really smart, you know, in addition to that, because it was the it was the first year
8:20that you scored where you had like 18 touchdowns.
8:22You were a sleeper, but you were stuck behind Melvin Gordon.
8:25I was like, well, no, they're never going to, like, let Austin score a lot of touchdowns.
8:30He's smaller back. You know what I mean? And you were going like towards the end of the second round, maybe early third round.
8:36And I'm like, Austin Eckler is my ride or die.
8:39I'm telling you, they got a new offense coordinator.
8:41He's coming over from New Orleans. They want to use him as their Alvin Kamara.
8:45Like he's going to get he can get that work.
8:48He can convert touchdowns. And I think you had 18 touchdowns that year.
8:51Something insane like that off the top of my head.
8:54I think it was 20 that year. 20. Sorry.
8:56I didn't mean to cheat yet. It's all good.
8:59You know, those last two matter, though, you know.
9:01So, Megan, no. So Austin Eckler was not the first ride or die, but he was probably the most successful.
9:07And he was the one that sort of put ride or die on the map.
9:10He was the one that was by far the one that kind of popped the most because it was such a bold
9:16shake because I was just like the argument was the only way that Austin Eckler gets to be like the number one
9:22running back in fantasy is if he scores a bunch of touchdowns and no one thought that you could score 20 touchdowns
9:28or 18 touchdowns, which you did another year. So that was the story behind that.
9:32Yeah. So like this, I'm sorry, I'm going to a couple of story times here, but it was actually like I didn't
9:38actually think I'd be in that situation either. For me, when I had my deal with the Chargers, I was splitting carries with Melvin Gordon.
9:45So when I signed my deal, it was kind of on that premise that, hey, you're going to be kind of like a tandem back.
9:51We're going to bring in another guy because they didn't resign Melvin to be kind of that split carry guy.
9:56And you're going to be the third down guy, the check down guy.
10:00And then we'll have like a big back goal line guy.
10:03Well, they draft three guys and we never found that other tandem guy.
10:06So it ended up being me the whole time, which I was salty about because I got paid as a tandem back
10:12when I was being your workforce back, you know?
10:15So anyway, don't let me go down that route.
10:17But it made my production and meant my production was high enough where, hey, they trusted me to be on the field
10:23and they were trying to bring in guys that were drafting guys.
10:26And it just wasn't ending up working out because like, hey, we like having Austin on the field.
10:31And then, yeah, I had Joe Lombardi who was with the Saints with Alvin.
10:34And that ended up giving me an opportunity to kind of get that role of, hey, check downs, red zone touches from the backfield.
10:41And it ended up working out for Herbert, too, because I know I think the two years I was there is the
10:47first two years he had like 4,000 passing yards, you know?
10:50So I'm like, hey, this is the kind of a matchup made in heaven right now.
10:54I got a quarterback who's not a runner and he's going to keep throwing me check downs just like Phillip Rivers was.
11:00So that was kind of the reason I came into being able to have opportunity to score as much as we did.
11:06And then I ended up changing coordinators. And, you know, we'll get into that as we talk about some of these other
11:11running backs and how that affects you. Well, yeah, you talk about, you know, hey, you got paid like a committee back
11:17when you were really a workhorse back. Well, somebody that did just get paid like a workhorse back is Bijan Robinson.
11:23I'm sure you saw that deal. That's like the definition of workhorse back right there.
11:27Yes, sir. Sure. So let's move over to fantasy here, Austin.
11:30And we talked about this yesterday with Dan Graziano.
11:32But if you had the number one pick in one of your fantasy leagues, who's the number one pick?
11:37Is it Jameer Gibbs or Bijan Robinson? Ah, look, man, both these guys are elite.
11:41Like these are the guys that are going to carry their team.
11:44They're one of the most stable parts of their offense.
11:47Right. So I don't think you can go wrong with either one.
11:50But I just like the stability more with the Lions.
11:53And so I'm going to go with Jameer Gibbs.
11:55I know, look, I think what they win four games last year, the Falcons and Bijan still was dominant.
12:00Like, again, he's going to be that again. But I just think if you have an offense that's continuing to click, scoring
12:06more points, just like the Lions, I'm going to go with Jameer Gibbs.
12:10I don't think you can go either wrong, wrong with either one.
12:13I think Jameer Gibbs is going to have a headline here in the next couple of days, if he hasn't already.
12:18By the time we actually, you know, see this come out, that he's getting paid, too.
12:23Because I think there was like a tobacco a few years ago where it's like, hey, pay the running backs.
12:28It's like you pay your playmakers. Right. And both guys are the playmakers on these on these offenses.
12:33So I'm going with Jameer Gibbs. Number one overall, if I have that pick.
12:36Yeah. You know, I mean, again, listen, I could not agree with you more about how, like, you can't go wrong with either one.
12:43It literally is a coin flip. They are one and one A, right?
12:46I mean, they're so razor thin. They're both awesome running backs.
12:49They're both amazing talents. They're both going to have monster years.
12:52I have Bijan at one at the moment. And I'm thinking about, you know, listen, I go back and forth on a little bit.
12:59But right now I have Bijan at one. And the reason is, is just the pass catching.
13:03I just think that's more touchdowns, as you know, Austin, throughout your career.
13:07Touchdowns can sometimes be fluky. Right. You know, we've seen it.
13:09Right. Sometimes you get the rock in close. Sometimes they're doing shovel passes to a third string tight end.
13:14And you're like, what? Wait, we just called that?
13:17What the hell happened? You know, like, you know, you run one in from 40 yards out, but there was holding on
13:23the other side of the play that had nothing to do with the run.
13:26And anyway, so sometimes touchdowns are fluky. But pass catching role is is more consistent.
13:30I just think Tua, you know, Penix has said he's at least four weeks.
13:34You know, that I think Penix misses at least the first four weeks.
13:38And I think there's a chance that Tua keeps the job at least for a while.
13:42And so I just think Tua just all he does is dump down.
13:45I agree with you. Lions are going to be in scoring position a lot more often.
13:50But I do think the Falcons is more concentrated.
13:52Just him, Pitts and Drake London. That's my argument.
13:54Again, like you have to you have to you have to nitpick here.
13:58I 100 percent agree. You got a nitpick in these nitpicks.
14:01I think there's valid points on either side. I think, you know, David Montgomery's gone now for the Lions.
14:06And so I think there's more more of a reliance on, hey, you're the more stable opportunity that we have in our
14:12backfield with with Detroit, with with Gibbs. So, you know, and then it makes it a little uneasy about the quarterback situation over there.
14:18We know Tua's got history of, you know, the injuries, Panix coming off the ACL.
14:22So I'm like, ah, like, again, nitpicking. Like, yeah, those guys are going to be healthy when they come back and play.
14:28But you'd rather play in the NFC South than the NFC North, right?
14:31You know, I mean, you'd rather like when you think about that division that the Lions are in, that's the best division in football probably, right?
14:38There we go. I mean, look, what do you want to do?
14:41Where do you want to nitpick? Fair enough. But you've got Gibbs at number one.
14:45So let's talk about, listen, you're in Las Vegas right now.
14:48So I don't know if you've had a chance to go out to camp at all.
14:53Talk to any of the players around there. But there were a lot of expectations last year around Ashton Gentry.
14:58And it was a tough year for the Raiders overall.
15:01So my question for you is how much better do you think Ashton Gentry is and what we think will be a
15:06much better Raiders offense, the addition of Tyler Lindenbaum at center, Clint Kubiak calling the plays, you know, an improvement at quarterback,
15:12whether it's Kirk Cousins or Fernando Mendoza under center.
15:15What are your thoughts on Ashton Gentry this year?
15:17Well, first of all, I've got to address something you said.
15:20Go out and talk to the players. I don't know if I'd be the most welcome at the Raiders training camp.
15:26Yeah, that's fair. That's a good point. That's a good point.
15:28Sorry. I've been playing with the Chargers for seven years and beating up on the Raiders.
15:33Yeah, it's my third show this year. I'm still getting used to it, Austin.
15:36You're still getting into it. It's a fair show.
15:39It's something funny. That's funny. That was funny to me.
15:41No, I would be out there. I'd probably be booed out there, but actually not because I think I would be a lot of.
15:48But I assume you talk to a lot of players.
15:51What I really meant, what I was trying to get to is, and I saw Megan asked earlier, do players reach out for your advice?
15:57Obviously, you're still close with so many players in the league.
16:00So I'm sure you're hearing, hey, this is what's going on here.
16:03This is what's going on. You know, this is what's going on in this team.
16:07Like, I'm sure you're talking and your texts are blowing up with all your buddies.
16:11He's exhausted Texan fans wants to know, is Mike Washington eating the Gentiles workload?
16:15So just, I guess, talk to me from what you hear and what you saw on tape.
16:20Your thoughts about Ashton Gentile fantasy-wise in year two and a new offense.
16:23I appreciate the laugh, though. I appreciate that. That was good.
16:26That was good. Look, I don't think this is like really a revamp with the Raiders.
16:30I think they're still trying to just, hey, let's get something stable.
16:33Let's continue to maybe get some draft capital here.
16:36Make a move. Like, I don't think you can consider it like a revamp for these guys.
16:40And Gentile, I think kind of like Gibbs and Bijan is going to be a stable part in that offense.
16:46Even last year, you know, with him, I think they actually, I think they had the four-win offense, the Raiders last year,
16:51and he was still averaging like 14 fantasy points a game, right?
16:55So even with a struggling offense, you have an opportunity where this guy is still being at least consistent.
17:00They're giving him the ball. I think to save their quarterbacks in a situation, I think they're going to, hey, let's get this run game going.
17:07You know, you mentioned Kubiak. You know, he's got a nice wide zone scheme.
17:10So, hey, hopefully that helps a little bit better with, you know, Gentile getting some opportunities.
17:15I think regardless, I think he's going to be in that same area.
17:18Like, look, he's coming into his second year. As a running back, getting one year under your belt helps so much for you to understand the game.
17:25You get a little break from your rookie year going through the grind.
17:29He was a first-round pick. First-round picks, your first year is a marathon of just media, of continuing to, you know, train from college, going into the pros.
17:36And so I think having a year under his belt, I think he's going to still be in that.
17:41If you're looking for a floor guy, I think he's going to be a good floor guy.
17:46You know, the upside opportunity of a couple pop-offs here and there I think is limited just because of their offense still.
17:51I think they have a lot to prove in the quarterback position too.
17:55And so if they're playing from behind, they're going to be passing the ball a lot.
17:59But I think that might play into it. He might catch a lot of checkdowns though because of that.
18:04Because I remember, you know, even with the Chargers where, hey, we were struggling.
18:08Austin, we're checking the ball down a lot. We're throwing it, but you're our option.
18:12And we need to get you the ball. So I still have him seeing some upside there.
18:16I still see him being in that average at around 15, 16 points a game, which I don't think is a bad thing for him.
18:23So I do see some progress, but because of the situation that he's in, you know, you can't be a one-man show out there.
18:29This is football, and that's what makes it great.
18:32So I think he's still going to have a cap for him.
18:35Yeah, entirely possible. I'm more bullish on Gentry than I think you are.
18:39I'm at 12th overall. I'm running back six, which is about where he's going with ADP.
18:43I think the argument here is just with Kubiak and just in terms of volume.
18:47So I actually don't think Mike Washington will eat into his work, just giving the answer to a question that came up earlier.
18:53Think about this. Under Clint Kubiak last year, Seahawks 30th in pass rate over expected.
18:57And this was with Sam Darnold having an unbelievable year, and Jackson Smith and Jigba having an unbelievable year.
19:02And they were still bottom three in pass rate in the NFL.
19:05Like, they ran a lot last year, and obviously it worked out for Seattle.
19:09So, you know, over his final 13 games, Gentry, 17.5% target share, fourth among running backs.
19:13You know, so they're using him some in the passing game.
19:16And then you just, again, you sort of think about this offense.
19:19Like, if you're Clint Kubiak and you're, you know, I always think that sometimes, tell me if you think of this theory here, Austin.
19:26I feel like us in the world of fantasy community, the people that do what I do, right, that I think, generally
19:31speaking, a lot of times, sometimes we overcomplicate it.
19:34And that, what I mean is, is that we're all trying to, that too many people in our industry, and there's so
19:40many people in our industry that do great work.
19:42This is not me trying to throw shade. But sometimes just, we get very stat heavy, and we're getting really, really deep.
19:48And we forget that these are human beings. That human beings play football, and that human beings have emotions.
19:53They have ego, and jealousy, and pettiness, and anger, and happiness.
19:56And that, you know, all these emotions, and just like with any other job in the world, those emotions play into this.
20:02And so at a very basic level, I think if you're Clint Kubiak, and you get to the Raiders, and you're like,
20:08all right, what have I got to work with?
20:10All right, I got Brock Bowers. I got Ashton Gentry.
20:13And I got Brock Bowers and Ashton Gentry. Like, you know what?
20:16I'm looking around here, right? It's the Will Smith meme, right?
20:19You're looking around like, what the hell do I got here?
20:22And I just think if you're Clint Kubiak, and you're like, I'm trying to make something, I'm trying to make a go of it here in Las Vegas.
20:29All right, I got one guy that was considered a generational prospect.
20:32Let me try to just get the ball in his hands as much as possible.
20:36And even if he's not going to be super efficient, even if the offense is going to be great, does he just get there?
20:43Because he's a guy that touches the ball 25 times a game.
20:46Again, I don't know that for a fact. I'm just thinking, I'm just trying to think human being wise.
20:51If I'm Clint Kubiak, and I'm showing up here with a disaster of a situation, you know, just try to get the ball in your good person's hands.
20:58Am I crazy with that? I think you're, yes, I think you're putting a little too much value in it.
21:04Because what you just said, if I'm a defensive coordinator for a team that we're about to play the Raiders, I'm thinking exactly what you just said.
21:11And so who are we going to stop? Who's not going to beat us?
21:15Ashton Gentty. He is not going to beat us.
21:17He's supposed to be this talent generation. Well, not against us.
21:20Absolutely not. Someone else is going to have to pop off.
21:23Someone else is going to have to prove themselves.
21:25So guess what we're doing? We're stopping Gentty. I don't care if we got a spy or chipping him out of the backfield.
21:31Right? We're going to have a little double team, maybe on third downs, right?
21:35The pass situation. Whatever the thing is. We're going to load the box first and second down.
21:40Gentty's not beating us if I'm playing the Raiders.
21:42That period. And so I think because of that, he's going to have a hard time.
21:46Again, it's the situation he's in. Not because he's not a great player.
21:50I think he can be a great player. I think he can go, you know, be a top three type guy.
21:55But he needs more help to bring some of that load out of the box.
21:59Get him out of there. Right? Back him up.
22:02Put him in a too high opportunity. And he's got to have a quarterback who could threaten that down the field.
22:07And so with the quarterbacks, it's kind of a roll of the dice.
22:11Are they going to have a good year or are they not?
22:14Right? We have these guys that have proven themselves a couple times.
22:17They have a rookie that's going to come in.
22:19We'll see if he gets any start in time.
22:22Kind of see how that plays out. But there's too much uncertainty at that quarterback position for me to be as high
22:28on Gentie as you are at the moment. So that's what I would say.
22:31So I think there is a reason to go into it a little deeper than just who are the guys and, you
22:37know, are they going to be the guys throughout the year?
22:40Because other teams are thinking the same thing. Who are the guys and how do we stop them?
22:45So that's my take on it. Yeah. By the way, VED FFH regular says, did Matthew steal that jersey from the NBC jersey wall?
22:51You're damn right I did. Well, we had to take it down.
22:54When Austin signed with the Commanders, because we had you up there proudly, we had, we have, we, we, on the jersey
23:00wall at NBC, we had all the elite fantasy players.
23:03And then, and so we had, we had a Chargers jersey, but we didn't have a Commander's jersey.
23:08And so we had to take you down off the wall.
23:11That's hilarious. The prop guy just took it off and I'm just, well, I'm taking it home with me.
23:16Screw that. Someone's like, have I seen that before?
23:18Wait a minute. Yeah. Yeah. Good, good call, VED.
23:21Nice job there. Good call out. Get his hat.
23:23Yeah. Well, especially by the way, if you weren't welcome at Raiders camp before, you're definitely not now after, after all that.
23:29Hey, I'm just speaking to how I see it.
23:31I will. True. No shade. No shade. Like this is a business, right?
23:35This is, hey, this is what I've seen in the past.
23:38You are in the NFL, what you've done for me recently.
23:40So it's nothing personal. That's just what I've seen as a player that's watching the league, that's playing in the league.
23:46So nothing personal. Do you want to, before we get on our next question, this, I mean, again, like we talk about, you're waiting for the right situation.
23:54But in a world where the right situation doesn't come about, have you thought about, because, you know, you're right.
23:59Have you thought about broadcasting? Have you thought about a post-playing career?
24:02Like, you know, because whenever that happens, whether it's later this year, whether it's five years from now, like, I know you've
24:08got Fantasy Royale and we'll talk about this. I know you've got a number of investments, including Fantasy Life.
24:13We're thrilled to have you on the cap table.
24:15But have you thought about, like, broadcasting? Is Eckler's Edge coming back?
24:18Like, what are we doing, Austin? Have you thought about all that?
24:22It's a great question. And while I'm in football, like, I've been thinking about it a little bit.
24:26You know, I did the Christmas podcast last year with the Commanders Cowboys.
24:30So I've been in the booth. I can get up there.
24:33I can talk. I can bring energy. Like, that's my personality, 100%.
24:36The question is, am I passionate enough about it to stay up with every detail?
24:40Because as you know, as being a professional in this, it's a full-time, right, homework, full-time job, making sure that you have
24:46good takes, that you can actually know what the hell you're talking about.
24:49So do I want to mentally contribute into that space?
24:52Because I've been grinding this game for as long as I can remember.
24:55I think like 25 years now. I played football every fall, right, since I was a little guy.
25:00So am I still passionate about it like that?
25:03Because obviously, I love the Fantasy Spot. And what I love about Fantasy is the community that it brings together.
25:08Maybe not necessarily all the X's and O's and knowing every detail about every single team.
25:12So it depends on where I want to put my efforts.
25:15And, you know, that decision is going to be coming here pretty soon, either, you know, this year or maybe next year.
25:21It's kind of how I see it playing out.
25:23So stay tuned because I think while there's even a sliver of opportunity for me to go back and play, I still
25:29am not fully committed to, okay, what's the next thing?
25:32You know, so for now, I'm just running my own fantasy league, you know, just to stay involved in it.
25:37And we'll get an answer to that question probably, you know, after this season.
25:41Well, it just occurred to me, just hearing you talk about Gentry, you're so honest.
25:45And I just, you know, and you're good at it.
25:48You'd be very good at it if you wanted to do it.
25:51But SEC Man 01 says, another vote for Eck to be an FFHH regular.
25:54So listen, Austin knows. He's a multiple-time guest on the show.
25:57He is clearly a friend of the podcast. But open seat anytime Austin wants to grace us with his presence.
26:03I appreciate you, Chad. Absolutely. The chat loves you, my friend.
26:06Here's my question for you. Which version of Saquon Barkley are we going to see in 2026?
26:10Last year, he was running back 15. 2024, he was running back one.
26:14I'm just curious how you see Sean Mannion, new offensive coordinator, coming over from Green Bay for Saquon.
26:18Offensive line should be healthier. Which version of Saquon do we get this year?
26:22You know what I love before we get into this?
26:25I love that we're talking about some running backs that are like staples in these offenses.
26:29Like that gets me fired up, man. Because when we were having the whole tobacco about, oh, pay the running backs, not pay them.
26:35It's like, well, it's getting diminished. It's strong. We can't pay these guys.
26:39And it's like, these guys are staples in your offense.
26:41They are the reason that your offense is as stable as that is, right?
26:45Obviously, you have to have a passing game of the quarterback.
26:48But to have an opportunity to go win the tournament, you got to have some type of running game that can help you get through the season, right?
26:56I mean, it might not win Super Bowls, things like that all the time.
26:59But it definitely helps you have some consistency through the season.
27:02So love the conversations today. Shout out to the RBs out there.
27:05Where is Saquon going to be? Look, I think in 2024, when they beat us to go to the playoffs, go to
27:11the Super Bowl with the Commanders, I think that was his pinnacle year.
27:15I think that was the top of the top.
27:17Can he get back to that? I think the stars aligned for him.
27:21I think he had a new contract, new city, came into an opportunity where they were already rolling.
27:25But I don't think that necessarily that timing is still the same.
27:29That opportunity is still the same. I think it looks a little different for him over there.
27:33I still think he's going to be, again, a staple.
27:36Like that guy is an anomaly of a human being, like just an absolute unit out there.
27:40We see the videos, all that stuff. But you 100% are given the opportunity in the NFL based on what is the current situation of your offense.
27:47And so for me, I think over there, I think they're going to have a good season still.
27:52I still think they'll do well. I'm hoping my Commanders can beat up on him a little bit.
27:57But I still see him being in that. Our Commanders.
28:00Our Commanders. Let me bring that back 100%. I should know better.
28:03I should know better. Our Commanders can beat up on him.
28:06I'm hoping for that. But I still see Saquon being in that 1,100, 1,300-yard range where, hey, you're still having a great year.
28:12But being able to actually replicate what he did in 2024, I don't think is going to be suitable at this moment with their current offense.
28:19So for me, I still am high on him.
28:21But I'm higher on him than I am on Gentie.
28:24I'm curious if you are too. I know you have him at like Gentie at running back six.
28:29I have Gentie at six and I have Barkley at seven.
28:32So, I mean, I have them right there. My concern about Barkley, and I agree with you.
28:36I think he is going to be better than he was last year.
28:40I think he'll be closer to 2024 Barkley than he will be 2025.
28:43I do think their offensive line is going to be a lot higher.
28:46But only four runs of 20 or more yards last year.
28:492024, he had 17. He was just breaking off those crazy long runs.
28:53And last year, he just didn't. And as you know, Austin, better than anyone, like breaking off those long runs are really hard.
28:59It's really, you know, you've got defensive play. You can be the greatest running back ever, but just still, it's got to be the blocking.
29:06It's got to be the play call. It's got to be right.
29:09You got to outrun a bunch of DBs. Like you got to just have, you know, to have these long runs.
29:14You got to run everyone. And so it's just really tough.
29:17And I just think, you know, is he going to be involved in the passing game more?
29:22Jalen Hurts throughout his career has never been a guy that really dumps off to the running back that much.
29:27He's more likely to sort of tuck and run when he feels pressure.
29:31And so I also think they're going to be more pass heavy this year under Sean Mannion, former NFL quarterback, former passing game coordinator.
29:37I do think they're going to pass a little bit more this year.
29:40They'll still be run heavy-ish. But like, you know, last year they were like bottom three.
29:45You know, they were one of the most run heavy teams in the NFL.
29:48And now I think they'll probably be like bottom ten in passing rate as opposed to last in passing rate.
29:54And so that's my argument is that I'm with you.
29:56I think he's a special player. He's still elite.
29:59And by the way, also one of the – you know, I'm sure you know him.
30:03A great guy. Just a guy it's easy to – an easy guy to root for even though he's on the Eagles.
30:09Don't get me started. But as a person, I've interviewed him before.
30:12He's an awesome interview. He's an easy guy to root for from a fantasy perspective.
30:16Closer to 24 than 25, but I'm with you.
30:18I don't think we – he gets all the way back to 24.
30:22Yeah, no, I don't think so either. And I think, you know, the opportunity you mentioned, the coordinator.
30:27New coordinators always roll the dice. You don't know what you're going to get.
30:30But I think it also opens the opportunity for some of those touches out of the backfield.
30:35You know, Jalen Hurts runs. Absolutely. Same thing with Jaden Daniels.
30:38He's going to run. But guess what? I'm still catching, you know, checkdowns out there.
30:42And so the opportunities I think can even come.
30:44The thing that always bothers me from a fantasy perspective is Jalen Hurts and the damn tush push, eating up all the goal line touchdowns.
30:51You know, so that is for the past few years has hurt.
30:54Barkley, he would have had even higher season if they didn't have the dang one-yard automatic touchdown, you know, runner on the
31:00goal line and giving Jalen, you know, 10 touchdowns a year.
31:03But I think that's the one thing that always bugs me about that offense as well is that – for a running
31:09back, for Saquon in the fantasy perspective anyway. He's going to have to score from what I say, the three-point line because
31:14he's not getting it from the – he's not getting any layups.
31:18No layups. Matt Ford, Frankie Louvoo agrees with Austin, by the way.
31:21Oh, my goodness, man. Like, oh, like – how do you stop it?
31:24I love – I know people got nuts. I know people were going crazy during that championship game.
31:29I was actually there in Philadelphia wearing my commander's gear.
31:32It was a scary thing. But, like, I love the passion of Louvoo, just going nuts, like, you know, whatever, seven offsides in a row.
31:38Go for it, man. Trying to fire up the team.
31:41Just – Go for it. It was – look, we were in a bad situation.
31:45We were getting beat up on. They were – Saquon was absolutely popping off.
31:49They were just – they had a rhythm, man, that it was not stopping.
31:52So we had to get our own rhythm going.
31:55And, yeah, so for us it was trying to get them – stop us from bleeding and trying to get us going was – it was a desperation.
32:02And that was their year. I see why they won the championship that year because – Yeah.
32:07Wow. No, they were amazing. The defense was just so tough.
32:10You know, Marshawn Lattimore picked a bad day to have, I think, the worst game of his career.
32:15I fumbled the ball. I got to be accountable to myself.
32:17I can't fumble the ball. That was a tough fumble.
32:20But yours was the third turnover. Like it was the third turnover.
32:23I mean, like, you know – It don't matter.
32:26It don't matter. You got to be – see, this is me.
32:29I'm a straight shooter. Whether it was good or bad for myself can't happen.
32:33Especially in too big of a game cannot happen.
32:35And so, you know, the better team ended up winning that day because they were better on that day.
32:40You know, that was a situation. Were they a better team than us?
32:44On that day they were. They played better. So, anyway, don't bring – I don't want to, you know – All right.
32:49Let's move forward. Let's move forward. Let's move forward.
32:52Moving forward. I'm curious about this. Like, so how old are you, Austin?
32:55How are you right now? I'm 31. Okay. So you're 31.
32:58Derek Henry will turn 33 in January. Yes, he will.
33:01Right? Yes, he will. As I like to call him, genetic freak of nature, Derek Henry.
33:05But is this the year – by the way, fantasy managers have been asking this question for I think seven straight years.
33:11But is this the year that age finally catches up to the genetic freak of nature that is Derek Henry?
33:16He's the only running back in each of the past two years to have at least 1,500 yards rushing.
33:21He's done it five of the last seven seasons.
33:24You know, in 2023 he was running back 16.
33:26He's finished lower than running back eight in points per game only once since 2019.
33:30He plays with Lamar Jackson. He's got Jesse Minter, a defensive-minded head coach, new head coach.
33:34But, you know, I always feel like defensive-minded coaches, they want to run the ball.
33:38But, again, he's going to be 33 in January.
33:41And this is somebody that has taken a lot of hits over his career.
33:44Give me your thoughts on King Henry. I immediately think what I think of Derek Henry.
33:49Joel Lombardi had this saying, and he would talk about edge rushers this way.
33:52He'd say they have a werewolf on their team.
33:55We've got to stop that guy. You know, you're talking about the Miles Garrets of the world, you know, the Max Crosby.
34:01They call them werewolves. If there's any other werewolf at a position, it's Derek Henry at running back.
34:05That man is a werewolf. Like, he is big, he's strong, and he's durable, and he makes it work.
34:10And so, for me, look, I think he's got a chance to be the only 32-year-old to go for over 1,500 yards.
34:16So, I think he's got a record that he's going to go get.
34:20Look, I'm guaranteed he's not thinking about that. But, for whatever reason, when there's something on the line, the little things like
34:26that, little tidbits, I think there's an extra mile that comes from our guys.
34:29And so, for us, for me thinking about Derek, I don't think he's slowing down.
34:33He's an anomaly. I don't see any. What's the sign?
34:36There is no sign. Yeah, age, you can't look at the numbers with Derek because he's already outperformed everything.
34:41That you would have thought would have taken him down.
34:44Like, even last year with Baltimore, like, he's got, like, a kind of, like, a split tandem thing going on where they're
34:50giving guys, I think it was, what's his name, Hill over there?
34:53Is he over there? Yeah. So, it's, like, even with kind of, like, an opportunity where they're doing, like, a tandem, he's
34:59still putting out the production that he's always put out.
35:01And so, I don't see how you can say anything bad about Derek Henry at this moment because there's not been a
35:07sign that I've been able to see. And I know this doesn't, I mean, this doesn't really mean much.
35:12But watching this guy, like, on social media, him running, he's still on his hill.
35:16He's on his Walter Payton Hill out there. He's looking jacks, ready to go.
35:20So, for me, I think they're going to lean on him again.
35:23And why would you not? The man falls forward for an extra two yards every time just because he's so damn tall.
35:29And so, I think he's one of those guys that just is a generational running back that we're going to see some greatness from him.
35:36You got to put him in a different category.
35:38Yeah. I agree with him, by the way. I hire on him the consensus.
35:42I'm at 15 overall. He's going 21. I'm at running back 9.
35:45He's going as running back 12. Now, just to be clear, my ranks, when I reference my ranks, and my ranks are available for free on FantasyLife.com.
35:52Go check them out. But my ranks are half-point PPR.
35:55And so, obviously, Henry, if we were doing full PPR, Henry would be a little bit lower.
35:59You know, half-point PPR doesn't hurt Henry as much.
36:02But, again, they don't like to, again, when you think about Lamar, Lamar's 29.
36:05They need Lamar healthy. So, they do not want to use Lamar around the goal line nearly as much as they did very early in his career.
36:12And so, you know, but that's one of the ways, that's one of the reasons you go get somebody like Derrick Henry
36:18is you don't need to use Lamar around the goal line when you got 22 back there.
36:23This is a question from Brian Hickman. Who would win in an Oklahoma drill between Derrick Henry and the robot from the Fox intro?
36:29Yeah, let's bring some AI into this. See if we can stop him, you know.
36:33I'm going to go with Derrick Henry. I agree.
36:36I mean, if you're running back on a one-on-one Oklahoma drill, you're taking the biggest guy on?
36:40Come on, man. Like, you got to start somewhere lower for the – you're going to break the – you know when
36:46the defensive linemen do, like, the jam drill and sometimes you see, like, break and extend?
36:50It would be, like, one of those types of things, I feel like.
36:54There's not enough base in that thing, you know, in the Fox thing, you know?
36:58Yeah, and by the way, I think that – I think the Fox robot has been – he's been in a TV studio for years.
37:04He's soft. He's not out there. He's not pumping curls.
37:07He's just like, I'm a robot. I'm a show robot.
37:10It's not a real robot. Come on, Matt. What question is that?
37:13Matt, come on. Don't insult Derrick like that. Yeah, exactly.
37:15Something funny that you said, actually, that I always do, though, is you said half PPR.
37:20I'm like, what is that? What's a half PPR?
37:22Because I'm always full PPR, man. If you're playing in my league, full PPR.
37:26You're taking me at number one overall. There you go.
37:28Yeah, okay. Figures. Of course. Yeah, pass. Half PPR.
37:31What? Yeah, you're not doing that. That's fair. Any other weird scoring in your leagues?
37:35Like, you know, running backs get more points? Hey, okay.
37:38I'm catching shades on the show. That's crazy. Come on, man.
37:40Come on. Hey, Chad. You can't let that slide, man.
37:43That's fair. They'll bring it to me. That's hilarious.
37:45No. No other crazy scoring anyway. That's funny, though.
37:48All right. All right, brother. Hey. Yeah, actually, we can have one.
37:51Bald running backs actually get another half a point per catch.
37:54That's one that we should have. By the way, I'm down with that.
37:57I mean, you are bald. I am bald-ing. Give me my ing because you can see I still have a little bit of hair.
38:04You're holding on to it. I haven't fully committed to the bit the way you have.
38:08Yes. But you're a good-looking guy. You can get away with it.
38:11I'm just like, I'm desperately clinging on to my hair, you know.
38:14Absolutely. Absolutely. I don't know. Daddy says, who are some running backs you target in a point-per-carry league?
38:19I think my answer there, Austin, but it's like, I think it's still all the obvious guys, all the workhorse backs that
38:25we're talking about, the Genties of the world, the Barclays of the world, you know, guys like that, Gibbs and Bijon that we talked about.
38:32Just point-per-carry league is just like, who's going to get the most touches?
38:35You know what I mean? And it's those workhorse backs.
38:38Yeah. I think Hampton from the Chargers might be an interesting one.
38:41If he's healthy this year, the Chargers run the ball, man.
38:44That's what they're doing right now. So that's an interesting one for me on a point-per-carry.
38:48I know we'll see if they do like a tandem.
38:51I know he's coming off an injury too. So that would be a guy that I would look at for a point-per-carry.
38:57But yeah, all these other guys that are obvious that we're talking about, I just tried to give you someone else that maybe is not as obvious.
39:04Yeah. What about a Scadaboo-type opportunity? I'm curious what's going on with the Giants.
39:08Aren't we all? Aren't we all? Like, I mean, I don't have this on my list, but I'm curious if you have any.
39:14Like, to me, Scadaboo is one of the most fascinating guys here because you've got John Harbaugh coming over from Baltimore.
39:19He's not calling the plays, but, you know, he's going to have a philosophy that wants to be running the ball.
39:25They were rumored to be in on Ken Walker in free agency.
39:28They didn't get him. They were rumored to be in on Jeremiah Love.
39:32He didn't last to him on the draft. So they were kind of big-name hunting at running back.
39:36Scadaboo, of course, was awesome down the stretch. I think eight touchdowns over, like, the final eight games or something like that off the top of my head.
39:44But then coming off of a serious injury, I like Tyrone Tracy.
39:47You tell me if I'm crazy, but I think Tyrone Tracy can play, you know?
39:51And so does he, does Tyrone Tracy, does the combination of Tyrone Tracy and Jackson Dart take enough sort of goal-line work
39:57that's annoying to people that have Scadaboo? Can he be healthy?
40:00You're somebody that, I mean, you're coming back from a serious injury.
40:03I'm curious. You brought up Cam Scadaboo, so I'm curious what your thoughts are on him.
40:07I see all of the stuff on social media because the man is absolutely wild, right?
40:11Like, he's a personality that, you know, that's great for TV, for sure.
40:15Now, does that translate to football? Not always. You know, it's kind of a roll of the dice on that one.
40:20But for me, I think there's too much uncertainty over there.
40:23You know, I bring it up just because the man's a crash out, and I love seeing his energy out there.
40:29And I think it gives the Giants fans some hope of something that's fun to watch.
40:33You know, him and Jackson Dart last year, like, oh, I'm excited about something now.
40:37We might not win a bunch of games, but at least it's fun to watch, you know, watch these guys go out there and the way they play.
40:45You know, they actually won some games that were a surprise.
40:48I think they beat the Eagles last year. I think that was the one that was like, oh, wait a minute.
40:53They might have something going on. And now bringing in hardball.
40:56So, I think that's going to definitely help them out.
40:59As far as Scatterbill, like, yeah, what's that backfield going to be?
41:02Because I know he came in, was splitting, and then started getting some opportunities later on.
41:06Off the injury. I'm definitely not high on him at all.
41:09Like, I'm not saying go out and get him.
41:11I know we were talking about the point for touch.
41:14I'm not saying this is a good candidate for it.
41:17But I'm just more intrigued as a viewer than maybe in a fantasy.
41:20Fair enough. All right. So, my producers are telling me we need to go to the speed run because we have so many questions for you, Austin.
41:27Sorry. Sorry. I got too much. My bad. No, it's all good.
41:31But I want to get through them. Like, let's talk about Devon Achan in Miami now.
41:35Awesome running back, obviously. But, you know, we're not excited about the pieces around him.
41:39Do we think this Miami offense is going to be good enough for Achan to be a top-10 fantasy running back to deliver an RB1 season?
41:46One of my concerns about Malik Willis is that in his three starts, again, and we've got small sample size, but in
41:52his three starts with Green Bay, Malik Willis saw 20% of his team's rushing attempts, 42% of the red zone attempts.
41:57And, again, not a guy that throws to the running back a lot because he's much more likely to sort of duck and run.
42:04On the other hand, you know, you're looking around.
42:06What do they have? It feels like this offense is going to run through Devon Achan.
42:10Well, I had to look up who their quarterback was, not going to lie.
42:14I'm just saying, hey, look, I don't know every single X and O out there.
42:18So when I saw Willis, I was like, oh, no.
42:21Like, yeah, because when you get these runners, like kind of like a, oh, my goodness, what's his name?
42:26Like a Justin Fields type where it's like, I'm running before anything.
42:29Right? I'm taking off. I trust my legs. I can put it.
42:32I can keep the ball out of harm's way.
42:34I don't have to throw it. I can run.
42:37It just, I think, destroys the opportunity on the upside.
42:39And Achan, great player. But that quarterback position, everything runs through that.
42:43And so if you have a runner, and I really don't like the quarterback situation for a running back over there in Miami.
42:49So I'm going to say I don't think he's going to be in that top 10.
42:53I don't think the opportunity is there. Well, I agree with you.
42:56I'm at running back 12. I mean, I'm lower on consensus with him.
43:00I'm in my dynasty team. So I hope I'm wrong about this.
43:03But yeah, he's currently going as running back seven.
43:05I appreciate that. And I'm at running back 12.
43:08So I agree with you. I don't have him as a top 10 fantasy running back this year.
43:12Let's talk about Arizona and Jeremiah Love. You know, there's so many comparisons to Ashen Genty because here's a guy that, you
43:18know, considered generational talent, comes out, obviously, significant draft capital.
43:21We talk about running backs getting paid. You know, a running back going third overall in the NFL draft, kind of crazy.
43:27And it was obviously interesting given Arizona's commitment that they, you know, they already signed Tyler Algier.
43:31James Conner is still there. Trey Benson's still there.
43:34Like, they've got a robust running back room. What do you think the workload?
43:37So my specific question is for Jeremiah Love, his rookie year.
43:40What are your expectations for him this year as a rookie, especially around his workload?
43:44Is this a guy that we think is going to be like an every down back?
43:49Or, again, you look at that full running back room and you're like, I don't know if he's getting, you know, more than that.
43:55I don't think he needs to be. He doesn't need to be a full down back.
43:59He's got Tyler Algier. You don't need. Here's the thing.
44:02You can be, you can be a stud and still have an opportunity to have someone else that's taken some of that, the backfield snaps.
44:09And I know from a fantasy point, that sucks.
44:11But from a longevity point for your team, it's important.
44:14And I think good coaches that have that opportunity will take advantage of that.
44:17And I think Arizona does with Tyler Algier. They have Conner that's been doing it for a long time.
44:22Obviously, he's taking a little bit more of a backseat now with the new guys coming in.
44:27Jeremiah Love, though, you take him number three overall, he's got to play.
44:30Number three overall, you got to play. We're paying you to play.
44:33And look, these GMs, they are prideful in their draft picks.
44:36They want to see their draft picks play. And so especially number three overall, 100% going to be getting some snaps.
44:42I think it's going to be maybe a little tandem there for a while.
44:46And then maybe one of those guys kind of prevails as themselves as the true kind of, you know, 60% of the carry guy.
44:52And maybe the other guys are like 40 and a 10 type of opportunity.
44:56We'll see. But I think, yeah, there's opportunity for him to play.
44:59But I don't think he's going to be the number one guy.
45:02I don't think, like I said, I don't think he needs to be.
45:06Yeah, I think you're right. My theory on him is he's going to be similar to Jameer Gibbs' rookie year.
45:11Remember when the Lions took Gibbs, I think, 12th overall?
45:14And everyone was like, oh, Dave Montgomery's done. And then you're like, no, guys.
45:17They still want Montgomery between the tackles. Gibbs is a special player.
45:21But Gibbs is going to get like 13 to 15 touches a game.
45:24And that's what ended up happening that year until Montgomery got hurt.
45:27And then Gibbs proved he could handle a big workload.
45:30But I think that's what happens with Love early in the season, first half of the year, is that 13 to 15
45:36touches, which, by the way, to your point, he's an electric player.
45:39They'll use him in the passing game. They'll try to figure out ways to get him the ball in space.
45:44But like the idea that he's coming in and being a 20-touch, 25-touch guy, I don't think that's correct.
45:49But also to your point, he's special enough that he doesn't need to be.
45:53Well, it's not that he's special enough. It's that they have the situation in the running back room where he doesn't need to be.
45:59Because they have guys that have done it. They've got guys that have produced.
46:03So Tyler O'Geele's been a solid guy when he was out in Atlanta, right?
46:07So like, oh, hey, we have a guy that we know has proven.
46:10James Conner's been the workhorse for them. So they have guys they trust on that team.
46:15And so now we have a rookie coming in.
46:17You don't have to put the pressure of, you've got to be the man right now.
46:21Because that's the pressure on all rookies. Look, some can handle it.
46:24Some do better with it. But you're still a rookie.
46:27You're still trying to figure it out regardless of how well you can handle it.
46:31You've got to figure out the speed of the game.
46:34This guy hasn't touched the field in a game like Opportunity.
46:37And as rookies, you can get as prepared as you possibly can.
46:40But once you get into the real stuff, it's way different because it moves quicker.
46:44You're getting real reps. You're going to the ground now.
46:46You've got to get up. What's the play? What's the checks?
46:49All these things that play into your upside. And I think a rookie year is the hardest year in the NFL.
46:55So having these other compliments is great. Which I think you're correct in saying that Gibbs opportunity doesn't mean you can't have a great year still.
47:02It just means you might not see that early on because coaches are still trying to get you acclimated to the game.
47:08Yeah, by the way, this is why I'm at running back 13.
47:11You and I are on the same page as it relates to Jeremiah Love.
47:15Special player, but I think, again, more of a high-end RB2 than an RB1 this year.
47:19I just mentioned David Montgomery. Austin, we talk a lot about in fantasy football, or at least I do, that fantasy success comes from two things.
47:26Talent, but also opportunities. We talked about with you, you're looking for the right opportunity.
47:30You want to make sure that you're being used in a way that puts you in a best chance of success.
47:35Does Dave Montgomery, to me, Dave Montgomery, has an incredible opportunity in Houston.
47:39They struggled to run the ball last year. We love Nick Chubb, but just didn't seem like Nick looked like the Nick Chubb of old.
47:45Woody Marks didn't feel like he could be an every down back.
47:49And so they go out, they get David Montgomery, and now he's got an opportunity to be the lead back on a
47:54team that I think wants to run the ball and is going to be a pretty good offense.
47:59So I'm curious where you see David Montgomery this year.
48:02Yeah, I think he's got everything. It's his room to lose, in my opinion.
48:06Like, he could be the workhorse. He could be the three down back, first, second, third down, all backs.
48:11I think he's, or downs. I think he's going to be the guy unless he's hailing off.
48:15So I think it's in his hands. What is David going to do?
48:19I think he has an opportunity to be a guy that actually moves up because of his opportunity over there where it's
48:24like, okay, we have guys that, yeah, have played the game.
48:27Some young guys in the room as well. But this is for you, David.
48:31Like, we brought you in to be the workhorse guy.
48:34You know, and if you hold that reputation and stay with that, here's what I love.
48:38I love new contracts on a new team. Fresh energy coming in, still young, still kind of in that era of like,
48:44okay, still kind of on the back end of his prime.
48:47Perfect opportunity for you to have an upside and go have your career year.
48:51So I think there's an opportunity for him to really pop up this year and even pop into the top 10.
48:56I think there's an opportunity there. The offense, we'll see, you know, how quarterback.
49:00CJ Stroud, yeah. How CJ Stroud does this year because I, we'll see.
49:03But I think there's an opportunity for Dave Montgomery to actually pop into the top 10 this year.
49:08That's kind of like my sleeper if you want to have one out there.
49:12I like it. Regular Rudy says, Dave Montgomery saved my marriage, which is a story I'd like to hear more about.
49:17Regular Rudy for sure. Austin, I'm sure you've saved many marriages, just like you've saved fantasy teams.
49:22But to your point, Houston was eighth in running back rush attempts last season, but just 27th in running back fantasy points.
49:28So the opportunity was there. The production wasn't. So there's a real opportunity for Dave Montgomery to come in.
49:33Obviously, he's not going to get the passing down work.
49:35But you mentioned or you sort of hinted at CJ Stroud's struggles last year.
49:39They want to take pressure off of him. They want to run the ball.
49:43And so I think, again, is Montgomery going to be the most efficient running back?
49:47No, he's not. You see it there on your screen.
49:50He's my running back 21. But I do think he's a good sleeper at least 1,100 yards from scrimmage.
49:55Each of his past five seasons that he's had at least 220 attempts.
49:58He's just somebody that like no one in your draft is going to be like, oh, man.
50:03You know what I mean? Like he's not a sexy sleeper.
50:05He's not, you know, when somebody takes Jordan Tyson, they're going to be like, oh, good pick.
50:10No one's going to do that about Dave Montgomery.
50:12And yet you're going to look up. He's like James Conner was for years and years and years.
50:17He's going to go too low for what the value of the return.
50:21And I think he's kind of this unsexy player that's going to have a real opportunity and fantasy success in Houston.
50:26Speaking about a guy that had a bunch of fantasy success two years ago, tough year last year, and that's Bucky Irving.
50:32Do you think Bucky Irving can regain the role he had as a rookie?
50:36They signed Kenneth Gainwell to a nice deal, Austin, in Tampa Bay.
50:39We like that offense. I'm curious what you're hearing out of Tampa Bay and your thoughts on Bucky Irving going into the year.
50:45Well, you got Bucky on a rookie deal. So you have some money in the running back room that you still can throw around a little bit.
50:52So, look, he got hurt last year. Injuries are going to kill any fantasy season, unfortunately.
50:57I've been through that, no matter your expectations. But you can't judge on injuries.
51:00That's not how you – if you did that, well, that's a different conversation.
51:04Anyway, I think you got to look it upside.
51:06You can look at Christian and all that stuff.
51:09Yeah, yeah, yeah. But still, look what he does when he's healthy.
51:12Anyway, so I think for Bucky, I think it's still worth the risk of taking him a little bit earlier because I
51:18think he's going to be able to grab that spot back.
51:21Again, taking out the injuries, he's one of the better backs in the league if he can put the full season together.
51:27He showed that his rookie year. I think he's going to have an opportunity to bring – it's kind of almost like the David thing.
51:33It's his to lose. And you can lose it either by playing not well or by injury.
51:38And so I think for Bucky, I think he's going to be in a position where, yeah, he's going to be right
51:44there, have an opportunity to get back on the field, get back on his feet, get that roll back.
51:49And then I remember we were playing him in Tampa.
51:51Bucky, Bucky. They got the Bucky chance. I think we're going to hear the Bucky chance going back in Tampa Bay.
51:57Here's some cannons going off for him and getting in the end zone.
52:00So I think he's going to be back in that spot.
52:03Yeah. Berkson Flannels asks, how much does Gainwell eat into Irving's value?
52:06It is worth noting that, you know, basically in games in which – for his career, short, small sample size.
52:12But in games in which he sees a single-digit target share, Bucky Irving averages under 12 fantasy points per game.
52:17So not surprisingly, it's a stat that just tells you what you know instinctively.
52:21When he's more involved in the passing game, it's better for his fantasy value.
52:25We know Gainwell's a good pass catcher. But I will tell you this.
52:28It's interesting. I spoke to a very good Tampa Bay source last week who told me, like, they're using Gainwell between the tackles.
52:34Like, I don't think Gainwell's going to be just like a pure third down back, only passing downs.
52:39Like, I think they're going to mix and match a little bit.
52:42But Raise the Flags also says, like, what about Bucky or Gainwell at cost?
52:46So two questions. How much does Gainwell eat into Bucky's fantasy value, Austin?
52:49And who would you prefer at cost? And I'll give you the exact cost right here.
52:53I'll look up the most latest ADP while you answer the Gainwell question.
52:57Yeah, so here's how I see it. If you don't come out and show that you're one of these elite guys immediately,
53:03I think GMs are looking, okay, how can we, like I say, Quan, like a Derrick Henry, I think teams are looking
53:09for, okay, how can we kind of supplement our backfield?
53:11How can we get guys that can take on some of the role where maybe you're not the best at?
53:17Or just can add some more depth to our backfield.
53:19If you have a guy that can be a staple guy, 100% that you're going to see the low.
53:24Again, it doesn't mean you can't be that guy.
53:27Like, you can't be that guy for your team.
53:29It means you might not be in the top 10, in my opinion.
53:33But for cost, I don't know. I don't know what the cost is at, you know.
53:37Well, I'm going to tell you. So Bucky's going in like the fifth, sixth round, going in that area.
53:42Gainwell's going in the 10th, 11th round. I think the upside for Bucky Irvin to get back in that role and take
53:48on that starting job is worth the cost there in the fifth, sixth round.
53:51That's what I would say. I think there's an opportunity for him to get back.
53:55Again, last year we saw the regression because he missed like seven games.
53:59And he's playing through injury. It's not like you come back and you're all of a sudden 100% healthy.
54:04Like, you're probably like 70% and that's good enough.
54:06You're back on the field. So you're going to have a regression.
54:10I had that, I think, 2023 high ankle sprain, game one.
54:12And all of a sudden I come back in like three, four weeks.
54:16I'm still dealing with it, right? So just realize, hey, coming off of a fresh year, opportunity to go and actually be that role again, be that guy.
54:23So I would take him. Yeah, I like him there in the fifth, sixth round.
54:27100%. Stuntman Chuck says if his name wasn't Gainwell, coaches wouldn't love him so much.
54:31Like if his name was like no yards or more, you know, than, you know, right?
54:36Or run for less. No gain or run for less.
54:38They wouldn't love him as much. But because it's Gainwell, they like him.
54:42That's Stuntman Chuck. A couple last questions for you and then we'll get you out of here.
54:46I want to talk about former commander Chris Rodriguez, C-Rod, now in Jacksonville with Bashal Tootin.
54:50Is Bash, you know, reunited with Liam Cohen, right?
54:53You know, they were together in Kentucky, C-Rod and head coach Liam Cohen.
54:56But Bashal Tootin, we all love Bashal Tootin. So my question to you very simply, is Bashal Tootin more likely to be
55:02a breakout or a bust this year? Oh, oh, I think, yeah.
55:05Bringing C-Rod. Look, C-Rod is kind of like a sleeper back.
55:08Like he's one of these guys that you bring in and you put him on the field.
55:13I did not see bad tape at all from C-Rod when he was out there.
55:17Like he is a absolute downhill running through guys type back.
55:20Because of that, I think he's going to earn some keep over there.
55:23So I hate the word bust because it means like you're terrible, you know, so that's a little aggressive.
55:28But I'm going to say, yeah, it's definitely not a bust, but I'm not taking him highly.
55:33I'm not taking Bashal, you know. Yeah, I think people are sleeping on, you know, just Chris Rodriguez.
55:37Again, he's going to be a nothing in the past.
55:40Rightfully so, though. Let me say that, though. Let me jump in there.
55:44Rightfully so. He was a number three for us.
55:46Yeah. And so, look, we had some injuries, things like that.
55:49He started getting some reps. And so he kind of went under the radar.
55:53People would be like, who the heck is this C-Rod guy?
55:56Right? He has no like national, you know, recognition out there.
55:58So 100% going to be a sleeper. But as someone who's played with him, Duke can play.
56:03That's why he got signed for, I think it was like two for 10 or whatever it was.
56:08Yeah. And so I think, yeah, he's going to 100% have a role.
56:11And I think it's going to, again, like some of these tandem backfields that we see out there, it's going to be like that is what I see.
56:19Yeah, no, I think you're right. Listen, he was a number three for you guys, for the commanders, rightfully so.
56:24He's somebody that spent some time on practice squads.
56:26I know that you're, you're, you're, you know, vouching for his ability, which is great.
56:30I think the argument here is less about can Chris Rodriguez be a viable starter in fantasy, but is Chris Rodriguez good
56:36enough to get enough run that it limits what Bashaw Tootin gets to do?
56:40And I think that's, that's, I think what you're saying is, is like, listen, the ball, the guy can absolutely ball.
56:46There's a reason that Jacksonville went out, got him, paid him, you know, reunited him with Liam Cohen, because he clearly knows
56:51the offense and there's a comfort level there. And so, you know, he's not a guy that's going to sit around hoping
56:57that somebody gets hurt, that he's going to have enough of a role that we think.
57:01I do, I do think that, yes. Yeah. And I have, so I'm at running back 24 Tootin, you know, I'm as kind of a flex play.
57:09All right. Last question before we have last call.
57:11I want to talk to you about our, the commanders.
57:14Megan wants to know, have you ever considered changing the pronunciation of your name?
57:17Like Devon A-chain went to A-chan. And Etienne is like apparently A-chan now too, or something like that.
57:22Although the brother is still Etienne. I'm thinking about being Matthew Bure, instead of Barry.
57:26Wow. Wow. Well, if you don't change your last name, I still think you should try the mustache at least.
57:32Come on. Absolutely. Anytime I can get more hair on my, my head, I can, I need to do that.
57:37Because it's escaping at a fast rate. You know, people already changed my last name.
57:41People already changed it for me, right? I get the Ekeler.
57:44It's pronounced Ekeler. It's just one, one Ekeler, right?
57:46Ekeler is the one I hear a lot. So look, no.
57:49What would I change? I need a meme. How good are your producers?
57:53I need a meme. Let me get a meme up there on the screen.
57:56Come on. They'll figure it out. They'll figure it out.
57:59All right. So let's go to the commanders. Let's go to your former team.
58:03I want to see how you feel this backfield plays out this year.
58:06What do we expect for JCM? What did you see from Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt last year when you guys were on the team together?
58:12Rashad White from the Buccaneers is now over there.
58:15Jeremy Nichols is still on the team. Like, talk to me about this commander's backfield.
58:19And what do you expect under David Blau, that new offense coordinator as well?
58:22You get in the committee, but I think, I think Bill, he goes by Bill, you know.
58:27Yeah, I know. Yep, Bill. I think he's going to be that kind of the, what Brian Robinson was when I was there.
58:33You know, like he's the guy, he's the guy, kind of like the starter, right, on paper.
58:37And then you're going to have guys that come and supplement.
58:40I think you have Jeremy McNichols. You mentioned him.
58:43He was great on third down last year. And, you know, with that backfield, they love to rotate guys.
58:48That's how it goes. They'll rotate guys on first, third, second down.
58:51Offense is different. So it could be different. It 100% could be different.
58:54I'm not in the room anymore over there, so I can't tell.
58:58But it's kind of how I see it. We had a quarterback coach, kind of like a specialty coach that came from
59:03the same offensive kind of tree from last year.
59:06So I think you want to keep Jaden Daniels in a similar philosophy.
59:09You can change up the plays and stuff like that, but I think the philosophy is going to be the same.
59:15So I think for the backfield, you're still going to see that committee.
59:18So with Bill, it's hard for me to take a running back high out of the commander just because of how many they rotate.
59:25That's just going to be honest. I still think Bill can have a good season, but Coach Lynn over there as a
59:31running back coach just loves to rotate guys. And so I think that's going to be tough when it comes to the
59:36fantasy output that comes from that room. Yeah. Rashad White is kind of a trendy sleeper that I think he could be
59:42sort of – some people say he could be this year's Rashad White, a guy that no one is super excited about.
59:48But then you look up and all of a sudden, next thing you know, the guy's got double-edged touchdowns and he's –
59:54I know he's like sort of a – kind of a pros pro solid guy.
59:58But we're all excited about the possibility of Bill.
60:00I agree with you. I think this is a committee where Bill is at the head of the committee.
60:05Yeah. Well said. Well said. All right. It is time for last call.
60:09I want to get your regular season rushing yards leader pick.
60:12But before we do that, Austin, I want to talk to you about Fantasy Royale.
60:16Tell me about this. So, I mean, you've been a fantasy player.
60:19You've been a fantasy stalwart. And now you're a fantasy game owner.
60:22Talk to me about Fantasy Royale and how people can get involved with it.
60:26Absolutely. So what I decided was everyone thinks they're good at fantasy or has like a group chat that they might be the best in.
60:33So I was like, you know what? Who's actually good?
60:35So how can we do this? So I'm starting my own league where everyone can play.
60:39And let me put this out there. It's not traditional fantasy football like we know it.
60:44This is what I call a fantasy sports league.
60:46Meaning you have a few different competitions that you play in that test different skills.
60:50Like knowing who's going to win games, being able to pick players, things like that.
60:54Some pick-ems and stuff like that. And what this is going to do is put us all in one big fantasy league.
61:00We all play. And it's going to give us a ranking of the nation.
61:04And where you stand in the nation. So it's Fantasy Royale Sports.
61:07You can check us out. We have an app and fantasyroyalsports.com if you want to play.
61:11I'll be playing. Matthew and I have what's called a squad.
61:14So there's also a thing where you can compete as a group of four.
61:18So we have squads. Because as Fantasy, we love to have our group.
61:21This is my group. And so now we can all get together and see who has the best squad out there as well.
61:27So we're going to be able to see who is good at fantasy and actually the group.
61:32Who else is on our squad? It's me and you and who else.
61:35Like you even told me who else is on our squad.
61:38Or do we not need anyone else? We have.
61:41No, you got to have four. You got to have four.
61:44That's how it works. So we have Matt Harmon.
61:46Do you know who Matt Harmon is? Of course.
61:48I know Matt. Yeah, that's great. Then we also have Benchwarmer Brandon.
61:51Yeah, we love Benchwarmer Brandon. He's amazing. Yeah, so look, that's our squad right there.
61:55We got the dream team. Yeah. We got the dream team.
61:58It's going to be hard to beat us. And so we have to set the standard of what it is to be good at fantasy.
62:05You know, we got some stuff on the line here.
62:08So really our pride anyway. Everyone else got some great prizes.
62:11And I believe it's free to play, right? All free to play.
62:14Look, here's the thing. You can't put a barrier on the talent.
62:17So you can't make people come in and pay.
62:19Then it weeds everybody out. Everybody get in here because it's all about who's actually good.
62:24And that will pay you out in dividends later on.
62:26So we definitely have some prizes though. And so don't get me wrong.
62:30We got signed memorabilia. If you're the number one person in the nation, I have like game jerseys going out.
62:35We have a memorabilia brand that's given a bunch of signed memorabilia as well.
62:39Fantasy Royale sports. Check us out if you want to try to be the number one person in the world.
62:44Or look, we got some other leaderboards too. We have prizes for you can pick a fan base.
62:49So you're wearing a Chargers jersey. Let's say you want to compete against the Chargers fan base.
62:53If you're number one in the Chargers fan base, we have some Chargers memorabilia that you can win as well.
62:59So a bunch of great, great prizes. One of my favorite contests that we have is what I call a touchdown challenge.
63:05You pick three players each week. If one of them scores a touchdown, you move on to the next week.
63:10If they don't, then you're out. Right? So we have survivors.
63:13We have some weekly challenges. So it's going to be a lot of fun.
63:17It's a switch up. It's a switch up from traditional fantasy.
63:19It's good to always, you know, have a little kink in there just to keep it interesting.
63:24So fantasy Royale sports. I love it. I'm excited to do it.
63:27It sounds like we've got a great squad. Fantasy Royale games, Austin.
63:30We've talked about it privately. I'm excited for you.
63:33It's a lot of fun. I'm a big believer in, in like, you know, expanding the fantasy sports and fantasy football universe.
63:39And so you guys are doing a lot of fun games.
63:42Obviously we're doing it at Fantasy Life with guillotineleagues.com.
63:44Try guillotineleagues.com. Also free to play. It's a really fun way, really fun way to play.
63:48We're going to get Austin in a league this year.
63:51So, oh, what, how about, they're saying, what about E.
63:53Claire? E. Claire for your last name. Not bad.
63:56Ah, that's, that's crazy. With the hat, with the toupee I got up on there.
64:00Austin E. Claire. Yeah. They gave you, yeah, that's, they did you wrong, to be honest with you.
64:05They did you wrong. Yeah. Hey, let's shout out to the producer, whoever that was.
64:09I asked that. I challenged them. So they, they trolled me a little bit.
64:12I get that. I get that. That's good. But that mustache is nice though.
64:16I could probably actually grow that to be honest.
64:18So. Yeah. I don't think I could. Yeah. I have some talents in this world growing hair.
64:23Clearly not one of them. All right. It is finally last call, my friend.
64:27Who leads the regular season in rushing yards? Which run?
64:29Oh my God. I forgot. I will tell you, I will tell you that the current, the current betting favorites are Jonathan Taylor and Derrick Henry.
64:36And you got James Cook, Jameer Gibbs, Bijan Robinson, Saquon Barkley, Devon A.
64:40Chan, Javante Williams. So Jonathan Taylor's, Jonathan Taylor and Derrick Henry both plus 600.
64:43Cook is plus 650. Gibbs is plus 700. Bijan's also plus 700.
64:47Seven to one. Saquon's 10 to one. Hmm. What's Omari and Hampton?
64:50Omari and Hampton is 25 to one. Look. I like that.
64:53The man loves running the ball. This man runs the ball so much.
64:56It kind of, it kind of makes me salty because I loved catching the ball over there in the charges.
65:02Yeah. It runs so much. I'm going with Omari and I'm going to throw, I'm going to throw the philosophy of hardball
65:07wanting to run the ball a ton. Omari and young guy runs the rock for them over there.
65:12Runs hard. Opportunity to actually have a great season this year.
65:15If he stays healthy, I'm going to go with Omari and shout out to the chargers.
65:19By the way, I absolutely love that call. Yeah.
65:22Omari and Hampton was my ride or die last year, Austin.
65:25So again, never wrong. Just early. Just early. I think Hampton has a monster year this year.
65:29He was really good last year when he was healthy.
65:32He just, it was, you know, the line got beat.
65:34I, you know, I had to announce it before.
65:37And anyway, what are you going to do? Um, you know what, um, uh, my, my pick I'm going with, I'm going
65:43to go with, uh, my pick for rushing leader this year.
65:46God, I hate going chalk with Jonathan Taylor, but I think there's a reason why he's the favorite.
65:50Um, but I'll, I'll get, you know what I'll give, um, I'll give one that is, uh, I'll go Kyron Williams.
65:56I'm going to go Kyron Williams. Hey, I like it.
65:5922 to one. Um, as well. I know everyone's all worried about Blake Corum, but you know, in a world where the
66:05Rams who are just so loaded, blow everyone out.
66:07I could just see him getting a ton of work, uh, down the stretch just, you know, as they're, they're up in games and everything like that.
66:14And, uh, so yeah, I'll just, I'll take Kyron Williams just to get it.
66:18My guess is Jonathan Taylor does it, but if I have to take one, it's, uh, you know, longer odds.
66:23Sure. Sure. I don't, I don't mind Kyron. Again, one of those things where, Hey, you're playing well, you're going to get, you're getting the lion's share, right?
66:31Blake's going to come in and sure, you know, he's got all these footwork videos and stuff like that, you know, he's out there doing his thing, but.
66:38Uh, you know, we'll see when it actually comes to actually playing.
66:41Cause if I think it's Kyron's room right now.
66:44And if, if he plays well, he's going to get all that lion's share of work.
66:48Fantastic. Well, Austin, this is so great. Thank you so much.
66:51Please welcome back. Good luck figuring out, uh, all the opportunities that are coming your way.
66:55I'm excited about our fantasy Royale squad. Um, thank you again for your continued support of fantasy life, fantasylife.com for everything I need.
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67:23So, uh, Austin, funny picture or something. Yeah, exactly.
67:26Um, and it's close. I appreciate you. I appreciate you, my brother.
67:29Uh, listen, it's close in time, which means you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
67:34We are back tomorrow noon Eastern with Connor Rogers and NBC reunion and Trevor Sikama, the, the NFL stock exchange guys tomorrow.
67:40We're talking rookies all tomorrow noon Eastern on fantasy football happy hour for Austin Eckler.
67:44I'm Matthew Barry. Peace out.