0:00Yo Jose, is Marvin Harrison Jr.'s Dynasty value saved?
0:03I don't know about that one Jim Future's now open What it do, it's a breaku This is Future First Podcast where
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0:18With your Spanish American host here Jose, I'm good J-Mac, how you doing?
0:22I'm sweating this Monday Night Football game out I'm sweating, I need 12 points And you're cooked because James Cook touchdown Why?
0:29Was it a pass? No This is a good way to start the show, alright Exactly, perfect for you podcast listeners that
0:37are listening to this tomorrow I'm not comfortable at all Well let's get in to the quick hit, shall we?
0:43Let's do it Alright, on tonight's quick hit, it's going to be reasons why we hate James Cook No, seriously Let's talk about the Marvin Harrison Jr.
0:52trade here Obviously, this was the weirdest way a trade could ever be announced There was a deal finalized, but we don't
0:59know who he was going to We don't know what he was going for What's your take on that first part of it, all of it?
1:08I mean, look, I don't want to get canceled by speaking out of turn about things that seem like the NFL is
1:15just trying to ignore But the fact that the reporter that breaks that news is actively engaged and owns futures You know,
1:22betting websites and doesn't specify anything And then rumors start swirling about which team he's going to like crazy I don't know,
1:29man, that seems pretty weird But I mean, I think I heard a take and it was pretty much just like Maybe
1:36the Texans just wanted to see if they were going to be 0-5 And then we're going to say, you know, why even trade for Marvin Harrison Jr.
1:46I don't know But was it D'Amico that ended up breaking it?
1:49That he's like, yeah, we're trading for him before Schefter and anybody else put it out there?
1:55No, no, no, no, no, no It broke, but D'Amico was the one that said that we were getting it Yeah, yeah
2:02Okay, yeah, yeah He confirmed the team Right, that's true In their post-game press call I've never seen that in my life
2:09Yeah, literally the weirdest trade ever, I think And you know, honestly, in terms of all the destinations that were out there
2:17I think this is probably my least favorite For like Marvin Harrison in terms of trying to recuperate him as an asset,
2:24as a valuable asset Could he be a role player?
2:27Could he be a flexible option? Could he be a wide receiver too?
2:31Maybe I don't see it with Nico Collins and with CJ Stroud as, you know, what you drafted him 101 to be
2:38Which is, you know, an elite wide receiver option in the NFL and for fantasy I think that ship has kind of
2:46clearly sailed And if you're buying at that price or anywhere close to it You're, you know, you're obviously doing it wrong
2:53I don't think too many people are But, you know, definitely try to cool your jets You know, stave off the hype
3:00of this trade If for whatever reason you're a big CJ Stroud fan or a big Texans fan Just, you know, pump
3:07the brakes Because I definitely don't think that's where we're headed with this Yeah, it's weird, man Like you said Even if
3:14Houston was like waiting to see if they were going to be 0-5 or not And that was going to be their
3:22decision, you know, to do it this year, right?
3:25Like I guess that makes sense from like a draft pick perspective Like is this going to be a late draft pick?
3:32Is this going to be an early draft pick?
3:35Either way, you're 1-4 Like your draft pick is It's hard to believe that they think they're going to be a playoff
3:42team this year With starting out with that record But I don't know That division is an absolute mess So maybe they
3:49do have their sights set on it It's also just weird That it's a very similar style receiver to Nico Collins Like
3:56they want to fill the same role, I think So I'm curious to see what the splits are going to look like With Marvin Harrison Jr.
4:05in the offense here Because does that mean Nico gets moved around more frequently?
4:09That would be great for Nico And that's what I would assume would happen here And then like is Marvin playing the
4:16X and sometimes the Z Or is he going to be like a big slot?
4:21It's weird I definitely am very curious to see how this plays out here What's your take on it?
4:28And how is it affecting the surrounding pass catchers here?
4:31Either on the Cardinals side with Michael Wilson And now Kendrick Bourne getting elevated into a more prominent role Or on the
4:38Texan side where you have Nico Collins Is he taking a hit?
4:42And all the other pass catchers there that could be taking a hit That's between Dell, Higgins, Noel They have a lot
4:49of pass They've invested a ton into this wide receiving room So just sending away a second to go get Marvin Harrison Jr.
4:57It just feels weird So give me your take here on the peripherals And what is it doing for you?
5:03Yeah, I mean Kendrick Bourne is definitely one of those guys That was probably out there on waivers If you didn't get
5:10him You know, because then he was kind of broken in the middle of Sunday If you didn't get him into the
5:18waiver run I mean, for a dynasty best ball league That's definitely somebody to go throw some cash at I mean, you
5:25know, the Cardinals do a decent job at throwing Especially late when they're behind And I think he's kind of the clear
5:32number two there now Apart from that, for the Texans themselves It feels like just a depth piece Like I'm not super
5:39worried about Nico He clearly seems like the alpha and the best receiver there Maybe if anything, this can just help having
5:46somebody That the defense thinks they have to worry about Because before that they didn't really have anybody It was Dalton Schultz
5:54And, you know, we had some hope for the Who was it?
5:57Higgins that you mentioned, right? That got hurt before And then take Del was coming back But otherwise, I don't think it
6:05does much I mean, you know, maybe there's some special connection That's something, you know, CJ Stroud can get out of Nico
6:12Collins But in terms of the peripherals, it doesn't affect me a ton I think if you were in on Michael Wilson
6:19being You know, a breakout or a large part of a fantasy team Then you can only be happy about that Because
6:26that's, you know, only good news now He is very clearly the one now Undisputed, even if before he was I will,
6:33you know, wonder if it has that negative effect Where now teams can shadow, you know, throw more coverage his side Because
6:41kind of the opposite of what we talked about with Nico Collins Now, like, can they target him more?
6:47Block, you know, block him out more? You know, bracket him, I guess is the word I was looking for I don't
6:54know, it's a little bit interesting Like Michael Wilson is not the type of guy who, like You know, this guy's elite,
7:01he's gonna do so well Now he's getting the wide receiver One coverage all the time Those sorts of things But otherwise,
7:08pretty I want to call it not a big deal Not a big, what's that saying?
7:14Underwhelmed? Yeah, a hamburger, but yeah A nothing burger kind of deal At the end of the day That's what I was
7:21looking at Ah, another rushing touchdown When we're passing Sorry, guys I have both Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford In a league
7:28where I need 12 points to win here And there's just been two rushing touchdowns At least we're going to overtime Yeah,
7:35if there's gotta If a thicker, the kicker doesn't miss this extra point We're going to OT This is the third game
7:42of overtime this week Back to on topic here Yeah, I want to speak to the Cardinals side of this first Because
7:50you made a point You know, like What does this do for Michael Wilson now That he's going to be the wide receiver one?
7:57Is he going to be bracketed? Is it going to be different for him?
8:02Well, we can see J.J. Zachariasen In his data dump here For week five He put out something that I thought was
8:09really interesting And maybe it was More so that had to do with Who they were going up against The Detroit Lions
8:16this week And they are the number one Worst defense against tight ends But Arizona used 13 personnel This week At a
8:23higher rate Than they ever had In any other week I think it was I don't Dang it I don't have it
8:31in front of me I thought he included it in here But they I don't Oh no, here it is Sorry 35.2%
8:38of their offensive plays Came out of 13 personnel Whereas Any week before that It was 19.8% So we saw a higher
8:45usage Of three tight ends On the field Which explains Tegan Quitteriano Getting two touchdowns This week Hopefully he didn't have A
8:52Trey McBride Touchdown parlay bet Like I did And just sweated the entire game Figuring out Why is this Pokemon Quiteriano Getting
8:59all these touchdowns That's That's A plus right there Yeah I was like I do not choose you Go away Anyways Back
9:07to on topic Michael Wilson Saw a 15% target share Which was the lowest Of his season He had an 83% Route
9:14share Which was the lowest Also Kendrick Bourne Had a 17% Target share And his route share Was only 60% So Something
9:21to monitor Going forward This feels more Maybe like a one-off Because they were playing The Lions here But There's a lot
9:28of Moving parts here With Marvin Harrison Jr. Being ejected From the offense here And Now we're just Kind of left With
9:35a bunch Of question marks Going into week 6 And beyond And then on top Of that too There's already Rumors of
9:43Jacoby Brissett Maybe getting pulled In favor for Carson Beck To come in If they don't Win a game Here in October
9:50So that's another Dynamic That we need to Consider For choosing To buy into This offense Because it It's probably Going to
9:57be A little bit shaky Going forward Without Marvin Harrison Jr.
10:01In this offense And A bunch of Other things Kind of Taking the way Yeah I mean If you get Any sort
10:08of Strong reactions From your League mates Or you know Your league mates Personally about Michael Wilson I think I'm Selling high
10:15Like Michael Wilson is not The type of guy Who I'm Holding on to You know For the futures As you know
10:22Some elite asset I think if people Are really hype About you know Him being by Himself and Maybe are not Reading
10:29the tea Leaves in this Sort of fashion I'm definitely You know Hoping to try To sell how I think if I
10:36If I can get Into a guy And more so An offense That I trust More for You know The end of
10:44The season Push Yeah I think That's a wise Move here Like we've Kind of always Been on the Selling Michael Wilson
10:51He has come Out for the 2026 season Kind of proving That he's Cemented himself Into that role But I still Think
10:58that there's Probably a good Chance here that That's the move That you want To make Going forward In terms of The
11:05Houston Side of the Ball I'm This This really Hurts Jaden Higgins to Me more Than anyone Because Jaden Higgins was Already
11:12the Clone of Nico Collins And now We have A triplet With Marvin Harrison Jr.
11:17It's like They're all Collecting The same Type of Wide Receiver For whatever Reason If you Listen to D'Amico Ryan Talk about
11:24Him Getting Him He didn't Sound To us Thinking about Building The team We just Want to Get as Many Talented Players
11:32On the Roster As we Can It's Like Okay But Diversify Your Stocks Man Like Why Are you Guys Building The same
11:39Way It Feels Like They're Fumbling A lot Of Their Player Personnel Moves They Just Don't Line up And They Don't Make
11:46A ton Of Sense And It Yeah I Mean Plus Nico Collins Already Missed His Two To Three Mandatory Games For The
11:53Season So Unless Something Else Happens Like You're Not Also Getting Him As A Replacement Yeah I Financing Fantasy Relevant Players On
12:00There So Hopefully It Can Help Especially For Nico To Just Open Up The Field A Bit More Yeah Man Hopefully We'll
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14:17it's time for breakout or fake out are you ready let's do it man oh man i'm so excited all right we're
14:24purposefully tried to pick uh some players here that we haven't talked a ton about on the podcast more so because they
14:31either weren't on our radar or they just haven't been a priority for us in a lot of our leagues but they
14:39have been making a case for themselves to be a priority on our rosters and maybe your rosters so let's talk about
14:46them and the first one i think that we should talk about here is bryce young he's putting himself into a position
14:53here to be a candidate for an mbp race is maybe a fair way to say it i mean he i'm pretty
15:00sure he's the at least through four weeks he was the league leader in passing yards i believe is what it was
15:07he is the qb i want to say five on this season for for the fantasy season here for the 2026 season
15:14he's made ted aroa mcmillan back on the menu with that crazy touchdown game jalen coker was looking very relevant to begin
15:22the season before he hit the ir or not the ir hit the injuries and has been out for the past couple
15:29games because of it so tell me man how are you viewing bryce young now and going forward are you buying the
15:36breakout no i definitely don't think i mean at least not at this level I think if anything you're just uh feeling
15:43a bit better about bryce's young in like the the future and his um ability to be a relevant super flex start
15:50quarterback i think like you said he's in like the top 10 for passing yards and like the top 10 for um
15:58you know quarterback overall for fantasy but that's with one less game so you can go jordan love dak like all the
16:05you know all the other people ahead of him i played five games so when they take their bye week or once
16:12he comes back he'll kind of regain that because i think he was in the top three for both um before the
16:19break um so i definitely am not buying it i'm not buying it in terms of like when i think breakout it's
16:26like jsn last year right like he breaks into an elite top five wide receiver and that's where you project him to
16:34be roughly for the next handful of years you expect an elite talent or you expect you know players can break out
16:41into a wide receiver to uh court so i would say in that sense uh bryce is breaking into being a solid
16:48quarterback one slash quarterback two now do i believe that this is his form for the future of even the rest of
16:55this season no not at all i think they've started out pretty hot and maybe he's figured some things out but i
17:02think if we look back in a few years we're going to say oh that bryce young 2026 season was wow how
17:10good was that he finished as the quarterback seven and then he'll kind of go back down into you know the mid
17:17quarterback one slash quarterback um two uh range sorry for all the uh barking dogs in the background adding some ambiance here
17:24you know man bryce young is a dog so you can only keep them off the camera for as long as you
17:31can but no i i get it man like as as fun as this bryce young breakout has been there isn't anything
17:38screaming here that you know he's here to stay as like a fantasy relevant quarterback when we talk about it right it's
17:4519 rushing yards so he's not really running he's got nine passing touchdowns through four games so over two touchdowns per game
17:531268 passing yards so that would put him on pace for a 5 000 passing yard season and if you multiply those
18:00touchdowns by four you're talking around 40 touchdowns too so i think that would definitely be what a lot of us would
18:07peg as like an outlier season you know if we're looking back at this in you know 2027 talking about bryce young
18:14going in to the 2027 year i have a feeling that would be the narrative the off-season narrative about bryce young if
18:21it was obviously yeah and sorry just interjecting like the four games he's played two of those have been two of like
18:29what is projecting to be some of the worst defenses in the lions and the bears so you know you have that
18:36cushion i mean against the bears he threw for 361 yards against the lions he threw for 329 so you know i
18:43mean i i definitely think though you've seen an uh a step forward sorry go ahead no no you're good and that's
18:50that's what i was gonna say is that we've seen a step forward right and the other two games were against atlanta
18:57and cleveland so respectable defenses but nothing that's top of the league necessarily but i i was gonna say is it feels
19:05like there will be a jump in dynasty value i mean i'm pretty sure he was around qb like 15 16 area
19:12coming into the 2027 season and i could see him you know jumping four or five spots alone just based on what
19:19we've seen so far and i mean you might even be able to get those prices right now like i i let's
19:26let's wander on over to to ktc here and let's see what the crowdsource rankings have to say about this breakout here
19:33for bryce young and whether or not the the crowd is calling it a breakout or a fake out let's see we
19:40have bryce young fitting in behind i think i've gone too far yeah i think you passed him he's 33 right there
19:48so yeah qb 10 is is what the the crowd ranks are are telling us here i think that might like he's
19:55right next to jayden daniels i think that's probably a little bit of an overshot right i i would probably put him
20:02you know in front of jackson dart tyler shuck i'd rather have jackson dart for sure over bryce young tyler shuck i
20:09won't spoil it because he may be coming up here on it but so overall man it sounds like you're thinking this
20:16is a fake out yeah i mean i think if if that's what he's projecting to be or that's what you know
20:24people are going to be believing in him or even higher if he continues right that's only after what are we saying
20:31uh four games right so i mean if he continues and has like a 4500 yard season and 30 plus 35 plus
20:38touchdowns we're definitely seeing that he climb even higher so uh i'm definitely calling it of of uh not a breakout you
20:45know a fake so what about you how are you feeling i you know i it's it's hard to say the way
20:52i like to think about it is in terms of like a market value here right and if i had bryce young
21:00which i have in a few places because i drafted him in startup seasons he just was too low in in the
21:07dynasty rankings for a starting quarterback to be especially one on what i would call an ascending offense with good weapons around
21:14him i really like the the system he's in and he's shown some promise right so i was i was kind of
21:21in on bryce young going in on the season but it was more about the value and where i was getting in
21:28so i'd be i'd be happy to shop bryce young and if someone wants to give me quarterback 10 prices i'm more
21:35than happy to sell at that price but i'm also kind of happy just holding and seeing what we get here if
21:43no one wants to give me the the respect of what the crowd source rankings are saying here like there are some
21:50trades here like it's bryce young for jayden daniels straight up in a 12 teen super flex full ppr trade database looking
21:57at the otc trade database there's another one here where it's bryce young and a 27 third for a 27 first we
22:04don't know where that 27 first is but it's a 10 team league so that's a top 10 pick next year in
22:11that draft you also have ollie gordon and bryce young for kyler murray and a 27 first he's getting some respect in
22:19these trades man and they know it might be it might be worth exploring trading and seeing him you know if you
22:26can get that kind of value yeah i'm definitely i'm not super interested in picks i mean that sounds kind of crazy
22:33obviously you're interested in picks but as like a swap for a pick in some of those trades i definitely like the
22:40idea more of using him as a trade piece like if you can go trade up for the guys you talked about
22:47jayden daniels jackson dart those sorts of players that you feel a lot better including because they have the rushing upside i
22:55much rather do something like that than trade in for a random 27 first i mean i feel like that's you're basically
23:02just getting your money back then and i feel like he's his value took a big dip but it's going back up
23:09trending towards that value that you know that 102 103 in that you know in that draft hat so i'd definitely be
23:16more interested in tearing up with him if i can what about like a tear off right like what about that one
23:23about kyler murray in a first for bryce young and ollie gordon is that interesting to you yeah i mean kyler has
23:30looked okay i mean i guess you know if you're very solid at the qb1 i don't want to hurt my team
23:38that bad because we still don't know kyler murray is in the situation where he could find himself without a job you
23:45know come the end of the season so then looking into next year you're in a situation where you just gave up
23:52a franchise quarterback who has a long-term contract for that for a random first obviously we're talking about top three pick then
23:59you're changing the equation way more but i'm just saying i think there is a lot of risk in that where you're
24:06not getting as much value as if you are just tearing up if you can yeah there's we might talk about kyler
24:14murray here also so let's kind of save our words on kyler murray there a little bit because i think there's there's
24:21some stuff worth talking about there but you have any closing statements here on bryce young or should we just move on
24:28to the next one on our list here no i think we can hit the next quarterback let's talk about him he
24:35is the new orleans saints starting quarterback tyler shuck was a second round pick in the 2025 draft wasn't highly like a
24:42high prospect coming out of that draft class i think there were some analysts out there who were really high on tyler
24:50shuck but it wasn't like an overwhelming enthusiasm here but he took over the job and i think was like week seven
24:57week eight of the 2025 season and hasn't let go of it and he's looked pretty good i mean for the most
25:04part like good enough to keep the job and good enough to keep the hype going but even to this hot start
25:11that they've had this year the shine is kind of starting to wear off over these past couple games here that the
25:18saints are are no longer getting that kind of um you know that that buzz that that people were having with them
25:25in the off season here so how are you feeling about Tyler Shuck so far and his performance in 2026 it's been
25:33up and down right i mean he started and it was looking like okay maybe shuck really is going to be the
25:40truth really is the guy and then especially this last week oof that was a a real rough game but you know
25:47i mean he played what the best defense i think most people are saying right it was the vikings right i'm not
25:54mistaken so you know it's it's here miss like he is a sophomore quarterback who was not like highly touted in terms
26:01of like his talent coming out of school kind of reminded me a little bit like like uh like dac or one
26:09of these guys that got drafted a bit later jalen hurts like he wasn't meant to be a franchise saver and now
26:16he kind of is looking like it um i think the saints are in a great spot with that where they don't
26:23have to commit to him any like very quickly here so um i'm still in i don't it's hard to say and
26:30i don't want to ride the fence so i'll take the big swing and say the breakout's still here the breakout's still
26:37coming it's tempered a little bit but i think it's still happening i think we could still see a a qb a
26:45very solid like if you tell me in the next couple years that you know i guess since we were talking about
26:52him bryce young and tyler shuck are going around the same area or you know comparable i i wouldn't be so surprised
26:59i i think maybe it takes a a gap here bryce young continues to play the way he is but uh i'm
27:06gonna go for the breakout i'm gonna take the big swing i believed in it before the season i'm not going to
27:13be deterred and reactionary to these kind of couple bad games when we did see him play some couple games of really
27:20good football so i'm still going to believe in the breakout yeah and to me too like i think it matters like
27:28where we are calling this breakout to happen right i think he he keeps the starting gig and i think he's the
27:35starting quarterback going forward i think it's going to take a pretty severe downfall of him just throwing turning the ball over
27:42multiple times for for multiple games for there to be any even calling for his job but we have to like we
27:49have to be aware that that's a reality here right he wasn't a highly drafted prospect and that as soon as the
27:56the stats or the performances start to waver there is going to be the doubters more than happy to jump on and
28:04pile on him and you know call for his job which we saw happen with you know brock purdy right brock purdy
28:11went through something very similar he was able to shake it and like that that's been kind of put to bed and
28:18it hasn't been that sense and this is obviously not the same thing either because mark purdy was a seventh round pick
28:25right and like this is clearly not the same thing and tyler shuck's also old right he's 20 26 years old already
28:32too right so he's got plenty of starts under his belt he knows what he's doing he's experienced he has a great
28:40play caller with kellen moore they want to move the ball and that's really what i attribute this past week against the
28:47vikings i think they only had like 42 attempts or like 42 dropbacks total against the vikings which was their lowest by
28:54far on the season like they're normally up in the 60s of how many plays they're running and that's what the vikings
29:01do they they suffocate you they're they're so good they need to be respected as one of the top defenses here and
29:08probably a defense where you're considering benching players against them going forward at least that's the way i'm i'm kind of thinking
29:15about them and and approaching it it's crazy to me that that they're 5-0 and that they haven't looked any bit of
29:23you know good on offense here yeah i mean i think this this week they got a little bit more on track
29:30to offense you saw kyler connect with justin jefferson i mean look like sometimes you just really do have to do the
29:37meme and say eff it my elite wide receivers down there in triple coverage i'm gonna trust that he's gonna make a
29:44play kyler looked a little bit better he ran better we have to remember kyler barely got to play in this offense
29:51and now he's starting to get the wheels going so but when you have an elite defense like that you can win
29:59you know ugly games because you have that defense all you need to do as kyler and the offense is not you
30:06know be horrendous turning the ball over i don't know if you want to jump to kyler since he's the next guy
30:13did you have more to say no i do i just want to close the book on tyler shuck it sounds like
30:20we're calling him a breakout but yeah let's move forward here into kyler it feels weird to put kyler in a breakout
30:27or fake out kind of situation here since he's been in the league for as long as he's been but this is
30:35really a a new beginning for him and like a new start to his career right and it's interesting how things have
30:42played out for him right he he played like two snaps in that first game before getting injured with a concussion then
30:49was out for the next two games where we saw carson wins but has been back since and winning football games right
30:56you know it hasn't been a great box score wise or fantasy score wise for kyler murray this past week like you're
31:03saying was a little bit better we got a 20 point performance i think from him and mostly on the back of
31:10rushing i think i saw like he had like nine nine scrambles or something 10 for 51 yeah 10 for 51 which
31:18is a great style line for a quarterback to have a great baseline for them to have and it's also interesting we
31:25have the vikings shipping out jj mccarthy to the giants for a seventh round pick regardless that doesn't matter kyler murray did
31:32as the the vikings being a winning team right now have they handcuffed themselves to starting kyler murray going forward they probably
31:39won't have a high enough draft pick to get a decent quarterback going forward and they shipped out their only you know
31:46solid young prospect moving forward for them so it's to me it feels like kyler murray's got the starting job for minnesota
31:54and less contract negotiations go awry next season and then we see someone else come in there like a mac jones or
32:01maybe a kirk cousins reunion or something crazy like that but i think kyler murray's kind of locked up that job yeah
32:08i mean i i could see a baker-esque extension coming like a three-year 30 plus million something not crazy given his age
32:15right like what he baker did with the bucks i could see something like that coming i think it also could just
32:22be that they decide to walk away if they don't feel like they need to but with with them starting this way
32:30like you said it's going to be very difficult for them to have the pick that they need and kevin o'connell does
32:37appear to be the kevin the you know the quarterback whisperer with anybody not named jj mccarthy who you know by all
32:44you know talk seemed like got forced on him by the previous gm that's no longer there so i i'm not super
32:51aware that kyler murray is going to be like out of the league next year but in terms of you know we
32:58were talking about that previous shade it's a lot more risk to take on right but i think for kyler murray specifically
33:05like you said it's hard to call a 29 year old quarterback breaking out but he's not that much older than tyler
33:13shuck if we're being honest i think it's more of like a re-breakout into what kyler was before all the injuries and
33:20and the in the kind of how the time and uh time in arizona ended right he was never elite elite elite
33:27except one year where you finish like top three but that was on like 800 rushing yards and 11 rushing touchdowns i
33:34don't think we see that but like we saw this week he still has that rushing floor right he still has the
33:41speed and the capability so i think him returning to a you know a running back the wide receiver to it okay
33:49we went running back wide receiver let's get it right quarterback to slash quarterback one to the back end is not you
33:56know if that's a breakout i guess from where he's coming from and hit the perception of the fantasy community i think
34:03you know you could call it a so i'd be on that train i mean we've been on this podcast on the
34:10kind of kyler murray hype train at least a career resurgence if you wanted to call it something else instead of a
34:17breakout um and i think i'm sticking with it i think we've seen a decent amount i think in the kevin o'connell
34:25offense he's just going to get better he still has to play um detroit twice so let's see what happens when he
34:32gets to play that defense and what just jefferson addison hawkinson i don't know hawkinson's injury was long term but um oh
34:39he's concussion so he'll be all right so you know uh i'm i'm with it i'm with kyler i've always kind of
34:46believed in him i feel like he's a great quarterback too to have in a super flex league uh and um continuing
34:53right down that line i don't i don't feel comfortable calling the breakout here i feel fine giving him the starting job
35:00here but i mean like we're talking about tampa bay miami and then new orleans as the the defenses that he beat
35:08and he's thrown two touchdowns there are three touchdowns in those games like no just two yeah just two touchdowns and the
35:15passing yards are there for him which are great we want to see that and maybe it comes all together maybe like
35:22you said it's it's kevin o'connell maybe we just trust in the system and that kyler murray can kind of be that
35:29guy to to fill the competent quarterback it takes to run that system i just i just don't feel like we've seen
35:36it yet but the minnesota moves that we've seen in peripherals just make me feel comfortable in calling him a starting quarterback
35:44going forward so so in that case i'll call it a breakout right i'm just gonna i'm just gonna whisper it right
35:51lowercase breakout yeah lowercase breakout right like that's that's what i feel comfortable calling it here as well i'm gonna leave it
35:58at that and by the way josh allen with the latest 32 rushing yards he got got me the win let's go
36:05baby yeah i was gonna save it for the end of the show but i was down like 70 points with kyron
36:12puka and uh kai uh josh allen and i wasn't gonna get it if the rams made that field goal and then
36:20it got blocked and josh allen had those rush shards so yeah you got it both of us over the line there
36:27um always feels good to scrape by a couple point when when you're down that much uh but yeah i mean uh
36:34that's also i think a perfect time for a break what do you say let's do it man let's take a quick
36:41break here and on the other side we'll get back to you guys with our later breakouts and fake outs all right
36:48welcome back let's talk about the next position here that we want to talk about we talked about those three quarterbacks bryce
36:56young tyler chuck and kyler murray let's talk about some tight ends here going forward because there's been a few that were
37:03definitely not on the radar of these top performing tight ends here but they need to be addressed and i'm going to
37:10start off with the most obvious one isaiah likely for the giants going here i think he was like that tight end
37:17probably 12 or 13 and drafts this startup season but he's definitely vaulted himself up to be in the top five maybe
37:24even the top three tight ends i don't have it the those in front of me here but definitely put in respect
37:31on his name and we've seen it with two different quarterbacks now like he broke out really early with jackson dart which
37:39we know jackson dart loves to target his tight ends but we saw this last week with jamis winston him just go
37:46bananas two touchdowns like nine catches for over 100 yards it was really great to see isaiah likely be the guy that
37:53i've always believed that he could be are you buying or selling this breakout here man yeah i mean it was 11
38:00catches on 13 targets 94 yards two touchdowns so it wasn't just the random tight end game where like you mentioned the
38:07pokemon earlier that caught two touchdowns he's an integral part of the offense and he was also with jackson dart which is
38:15a great to see i mean harbaugh brought him in and paid him a ton of money so i think if you
38:22followed the money it made sense it wasn't somebody that i was in redraft particularly high on but i think you could
38:29definitely call this a breakout i think this is what we've seen he's just been stuck behind mark andrews um and it
38:36seems like naggy at least here in new york and with jamis he wants to use likely jackson dart like you mentioned
38:43likes to use his tight end so i definitely it's a full-blown breakout i think if you were in on this before
38:51i think the tight end landscape of dynasty tight ends at the end of the season is going to look you know
38:58a decent shakeup i think you know you're still going to have the heavy hitters of mcbride and bowers but you know
39:05i would it be too surprising if loveland continues the way he's going and i say it likely and harold fan who
39:12we talked about on last episode continue that they could leapfrog him or at least be you know juxtapositioning with loveland for
39:19that next tight end in the pairing or the group and with tyler warren who's also now performing so i think it's
39:26going to be very interesting i mean it's it's exciting when we have good tight ends because it makes the position more
39:34valuable but it also gives you more players that you can go after it's not just like the three guys and then
39:41check out and hope that you know you have the old guy or the random dude that can score points it's it's
39:48good that there's you know a young healthy amount of tight ends to target uh yeah and so i'm fully bought in
39:55i think it's a full breakout coming if james continues to do what they're doing new york giants are first in their
40:02division it's looking like a pretty horrendous division with everybody else kind of you know losing tying there but uh yeah so
40:10i'm all in what about you i'm in also yeah i it's it's great to see isaiah likely right i mean number
40:17one in target share on his team we'll see how long that lasts with malik neighbors being the alpha there but i
40:24feel very comfortable with him being the number two target and the giants going forward in this system and especially for this
40:31year with james winston just throwing the ball all around we are getting the full james experience here that it feels like
40:38has that question has been put to bed here um which is great for these offensive weapons here on this team yeah
40:46man it's it feels really good it's it's one of those things though too is like even if the breakout's real do
40:53you sell on this breakout or or do you do you just hold and ride the wave i guess it really depends
41:00on what kind of building you have and and what you need going forward here i feel like if i'm selling isaiah
41:07likely i'm wanting a first at the very least like that's that's the minimum price of entry i'd be asking to even
41:14think about letting him go but it also kind of feels in a way fragile right like i don't foresee the giants
41:21being a winning franchise i know they're winning their division right but i i i i see that kind of maybe collapsing
41:29around them with james at the helm here i don't see these them continuing to win games going forward i mean look
41:36at what happened they got lucky to get a tie this past week here which is just crazy what was washington doing
41:43but besides the point if they do get a a low or a high-end draft pick next year do they spend it
41:50on on uh one of these top talented wide receivers coming in and then do we see isaiah likely get shift around
41:57into you know a less prominent role or are they bad enough to where they clean house and they go get you
42:05know john harbaugh's just not it and they want to move on from him and we already saw the cringe moments of
42:12him talking to a locker room maybe he doesn't win the locker room who knows it just it doesn't feel stable to
42:19me with isaiah likely i want to hold on to this and i'm i'm going to and i'm just gonna like take
42:26the ride for what it is but there's still these doubts in my mind if if this can keep up and continue
42:33going forward here yeah i mean i mean i mentioned a couple names like i think bowers and mike bride are kind
42:41of those players that are like the gibbs and the bijon where they just become almost too unobtainable to tear up to
42:48but if you believe you know if you were a really big colson loveland believer and you're still there like if this
42:55trend kind of continues how much is it to go from likely to loveland or likely to warren who you maybe feel
43:02better about i think those are kind of the moves to make but yeah i mean if i can get a first
43:09or a first plus if this continues with likely and kind of you know reorganize my team that way if i'm not
43:16in desperate need of a tight end then i definitely think you could do that if the breakout comes i don't think
43:24this is one of those players like i always do say like it's okay to just hold on to good players and
43:31i do think i say i likely is a good player i think given what you're saying though the situation and different
43:38things it's not you know bowers after the year one or mcbride or one of these guys it's it is a shaker
43:45situation which is scary and if you want to kind of trade away from the risk i don't think you're going to
43:52be giving up like the kelsey of the next 10 years who's you know a top three tight end for 10 you
44:00know years to come so i wouldn't hate that if you could tear up or you know like you said um tear
44:07sideways into somebody else who you believe just as much in or a couple first you know a first in something else
44:14or um anything like that that you need in your build yeah it doesn't feel likely but no pun intended there because
44:21i mean when we look at the crowdsource rankings here on ktc they have him at tight end nine behind sadiq laporta
44:28uh tucker craft even he's in front of dalton kincaid george kittle kyle pitts but then too when you look at the
44:36trade database here it's he's not getting much respect i mean isaiah likely and ollie gordon for a 27 first is maybe
44:43interesting to me especially if i'm a rebuilding team i like that move but here we have isaiah likely for josh downs
44:50here's another one for likely for a 27 second and a 28 third you have isaiah likely and a 29 second to
44:57go and get christian watson it just feels like maybe there's you know a little lack of respect maybe if we're buying
45:04the breakout a lot of people are calling a fake out here yeah which means good you know that could be a
45:11potential buy to flip later yeah so you know that's those are things to pay attention where if you you know can
45:19make a savvy move like that but it it is always uh a big risk right to buy a player to then
45:26flip right like a player you're buying that you don't have confidence in to then try to trade because if things fall
45:33out then you're left with a player you don't like and then you've invested more than you might have wanted to so
45:40it's always a tricky uh you know play on the market yeah no 100 it is and in doing so we mentioned
45:47dalton kincaid you know being right there right behind him let's transition into dalton kincaid who has broken out here for for
45:55this season right i mean he had another kind of a stinker game tonight um but did he has he yeah right
46:02i mean the first two weeks of the season were definitely what we all wanted to see even the third week there
46:09was enough usage where we felt good about it but definitely week four and week five it's it's tailed off and put
46:16the doubts into the heads here of maybe this is a fake out right maybe maybe we're being faked out once again
46:23after that rookie season that we had from dalton kincaid always the most efficient tight end on the field but not on
46:31the field enough to make that efficiency matter so where are you here with dalton kincaid coming into the 2026 season man
46:38yeah man i like i want the breakout to happen so bad but i mean he's 26 now and dawson knox is
46:45still in their contract joe brady who was the guy you know now he's the oc the offense doesn't seem like it's
46:52making big changes and dawson knox is going to be there at least another two years like the contract he has is
46:59not a huge like it'd be a nine million dollar cap hit but they seem to just like dawson knox as a
47:06blocker and as a guy that's just out there for the team they seem to you know like him in the offense
47:14and with these two tight end sets i mean dalton kincaid is still running at less snap share pretty much every single
47:21game behind knox it's not far behind it's only a couple percentages of snaps but if you want the breakout if you
47:28want you know what we're talking about likely or what we're talking about with harold fanning or any of these other guys
47:35is you want them to be the featured guy and or if he's out there with dawson knox you want it to
47:42be a very clear dawson knox is the blocker and kincaid is a receiver and it just you know it doesn't seem
47:50that way and it's like when you go back and you look three targets two targets again this game that just ended
47:57right now another just two targets it's like it started so promising right but then you look at it and it's houston
48:04who we thought was a great defense but maybe after all isn't and the detroit lions who are giving up points to
48:11literally everything and anybody at any time then he had to play the chargers new england and now the rams and he
48:18just hasn't been able to get anything and it's not like you know a couple of these games dj moore has been
48:26missing and going out injured so it's it's not like they've had this elite guy that you know that we've been talking
48:33about they've still needed somebody to catch the ball it's just been a lot more james cook you know uh josh allen
48:40running the ball like it just it doesn't seem to be happening so i really wanted it to happen with those first
48:47two games i really wanted to be true but i'm still going to call fake out man i think we're just getting
48:54you know booby trapped again with dalton uh kinkade here yeah no that's fair i mean even tonight he had 44 snaps
49:01just as much as dawson knocks here and 44 of their 63 snaps so well over a 67 percent target or a
49:09snap share there so i mean he's definitely on the field tonight you know more more than he has in the past
49:16where it was you know down in like the 30s or so and and we still didn't see that productive of a
49:23week from him here i mean it it just goes to show like josh allen is going to win the game however
49:30he can win the game right and they this is without a dj moore on the field right they they just leaned
49:37on james cook and james cook was the motor of this offense tonight so i mean they played a great defense against
49:45the la rams but if dalton kinkade is the breakout and who we thought he was he would be more involved in
49:52in these games where they don't have the pass catchers to to kind of make it work and that's not what we
49:59saw i mean he was involved but he wasn't the centerpiece and and dasa knox had i think he out had more
50:06catches than him tonight i know he was he had a target a red zone target that he dropped it's it's not
50:13it's not what we want from from dalton kinkade luckily you didn't if you got him in a startup you didn't spend
50:21you know significant capital on him but yeah man i think i think fake out is is probably the appropriate tag here
50:28which doesn't feel great yeah i mean if you were trying to get him at the breakout or you weren't trying to
50:35see that he's just you just need to see more involvement he needs to be more critical to the offense it can't
50:42be so you know incredibly hot and cold where just one week he's seeing eight targets and the next week he's only
50:49seeing two like that doesn't scream a necessary part of the offense and you can't break out you can't have consistency to
50:56to do what you need to do and to provide what you need to provide from the tight end spot with that
51:04sort of um usage and you know speaking on james cook you know find you somebody that loves you as much as
51:11um whoever the coach is for the bills i can't remember the the head coach's name right now um loves james cook
51:18because he'll you know somebody that will forgive you after your multitude of mistakes you go out there you fumble you almost
51:25give up the game and he just puts the ball right back in your hands you know so find somebody that loves
51:32you the way that you know james cook is loved because other running backs around the league they fumble and they disappear
51:40like they don't come back for the whole game and james you know james cook can fumble twice in one game and
51:47be okay yeah man i mean 25 carries tonight for 111 yards and two touchdowns that's bonkers josh allen outrushed him though
51:5410 carries for 121 yards and a touchdown this uh like on the stats and vibes article i put up two weeks
52:01ago i called josh allen and james cook uh ricky bobby and uh and dale from the ricky bobby stories where james
52:08cook is just like hey you know what man you know i think i was thinking would be really cool is like
52:16what if i score a touchdown on the goal line one time and josh allen just goes well how would i score
52:23a touchdown then perfect yeah i know right yeah it really feels that way but yeah dalton kinkade is we're calling fake
52:30out so i don't know let us know in the comments if you guys agree or not but let's move on to
52:37our next our last breakout or fake out here and it's a tight end eli raritan going forward of the new england
52:44patriots here eli raritan is a rookie but he's a rookie that's involved on his own team here he's dealt with some
52:51injury so he hasn't played in in all the games but in the games that he has played in he's been a
52:59difference maker it's it's pretty wild he's um the the very first week he what i'm just trying to keep it together
53:06because i feel like you threw this name in here because he's a guy you like preseason and you just wanted to
53:13talk about him because i'm like what has this guy done to be called a breakout man come on or a fake
53:20i mean he's faking you out right now to put him on the show i mean did his agent pay you what's
53:27going on here i mean i i cannot confirm or or deny here right but but i'm come on he's he's done
53:35he's done some good stuff here are we are we not on the same page no i mean you wanted to put
53:42him on this i thought it'd be you know a fun like it i figured we'd be on like different sides of
53:49this i thought it'd be interesting but i mean look at this last game man five targets five receptions for 57 yards
53:56he had he had a red zone target he's involved i think that's this is something you wouldn't expect from a rookie
54:03right yeah i'll give you that okay so that that's kind of the point here that i was going on plus we're
54:11trying to keep it on theme here with the tight ends but but i do like i do like raritan and i
54:18have a lot of raritan shares in them i am happy to see this involvement um amount to something here going forward
54:25so give me your take on eli raritan here man yeah i mean he's definitely a deeper stash like if for whatever
54:32reason he's out there on waivers probably not because you know this draft class was kind of so bad that you're probably
54:39getting him in the fourth round or or what have you but i mean if he's out there um go ahead and
54:47scoop him up if he's on a team and you're making a trade and you believe in the in the talent or
54:54an opportunity that could happen once hunter henry kind of vacates that spot then go ahead i mean new york i'm sorry
55:01new england and the offensive coordinator and vrabel they do like to use their tight ends i mean hunter henry is a
55:08red zone target he is pretty involved and does get a lot of work and so raritan is kind of just the
55:15natural replacement now that hunter henry is about to be you know 32 to 33 when his contract runs out and raritan
55:22is just barely 22 gonna be 24 when you know the switch happens i don't hate it i you know get him
55:30thrown into throw him on your taxi throw him on the end of your bench and see what happens maybe in a
55:37year or two you're you know highly surprised about what you got with raritan that's all i would say i mean i
55:44don't think it's worthy of a breakout or you know any sort of large even a fake out because i don't know
55:51that anybody was expecting a ton from raritan coming into the season so it's you know like you said it's nice to
55:58see right it's nice to see a late round kind of dart throw in a rookie draft have some notable performance or
56:06at least usage like you were saying like i think a ton of the other tight ends that have been mentioned besides
56:13like sadique right i mean eli stowers is like almost not considered an nfl player i don't know what what's going on
56:20there like he's just hurt but you know supposedly it's he's not hurt they just don't want him to play um you
56:27know a ton of the other tight ends that people are hype about i can't think of any that have made any
56:34sort of noteworthy you know play so you know it's good to have him and if you have his shares and you're
56:42at least encouraged by what you're seeing yeah on the field pretty much immediately and you know getting targeted and being involved
56:49in the offense in the red zone in in crucial plays so you gotta you gotta feel good about it but you're
56:56definitely right man there's no reason we should be calling him a breakout or fake out on here but we did save
57:03him for the last so if you're still listening go get eli raritan uh thrown in on on a trade uh you
57:10know if you can you know he broke out so it's you might be hard to get him as as an add-on
57:17here i mean he's the type of add-on that like you send that back to somebody they're like the heck why does
57:25this guy want this like that's the type of guy somebody throws in on a trade shout out to like rakim or
57:32um jay walf from the toe clan who would do that they'd throw a guy on a trade i'd be like what
57:39do you know about this guy that i don't like what then you start researching yeah exactly i'm like googling news like
57:46eli raritan news or who's eli raritan's dad like is he a famous person is he a coach on the team like
57:53what's going on here but um but yeah i mean those are the type of ways to gain value it's always not
58:01the third or the fourth it's like a random dude like eli raritan who who you like and then you know that
58:08also feels good when they do become something right like you've had the faith you made him thrown in a trade and
58:15all of a sudden he makes a trade look you know more lopsided because he became a usable tight end right if
58:22the if the league continues at least for a few more years in the 12 personnel 13 personnel status that it's going
58:29in then he is definitely going to be seeing the field like he is and maybe becomes more usable with drake may
58:37down the yeah 100 especially with drake may who likes to target the tight end as much as he does too so
58:44you got to feel good about having him on your roster if you do have them but yeah maybe fake out on
58:51my part by putting him on the show doc here to begin with maybe harold fanon would have been a better topic
58:58of conversation here but we'll save that for the next breakout and fakeout episode because we are running up here on an
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