Jayden Daniels Profile & NFC East Training Camp Preview
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0:00It's the Harris Fantasy Football Podcast with your host Christopher Harris.
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1:50HarrisFootball.com. Today, we're talking about some NFC East teams.
1:52How about reading a profile from an NFC East team?
1:55We probably won't talk that much on the show about Jaden Daniels because I'll just say, I think he's almost like a
2:02perfect example of someone, unless he's hurt, we're going to try to resist temptation to change our rank on him, our opinion on him.
2:10I'm borderline positive the news on Jaden Daniels will be nothing but glowing.
2:14Oh, he's healthy. He looks great. Amazing. So the temptation will be, well, you know, we had him QB3 last year.
2:20Why are we not elevating him? Have you heard what the beat reporters have said?
2:25He hasn't thrown an incompletion in three days worth of drills.
2:28Exactly why we do these July shows to weed out the irrational exuberance and not change based on positive reports.
2:34So instead of talking about him later, which I don't know if we're going to do, but I tend to think we're not.
2:41How about I read you Daniels' 2026 profile now?
2:44It goes something like this. Jaden Daniels' second pass of the 2025 season should have been picked.
2:49A deep out to Debo Samuel, the route was jumped by not very good corner Cordell Flott, and every commander's heart was in their throat.
2:57But Daniels survived that wobbly beginning, played it fairly conservative thereafter in a sleepy 21-6 win week one over the Giants, and
3:04blew his only real chance to make a big play by overthrowing wide-open Terry McLaurin in the second quarter.
3:10Folks who'd selected Daniels as high as QB3 in their fantasy draft sighed.
3:14Daniels rushed for 68 yards, including two option keepers and two QB draws.
3:18A modest beginning, but no disaster. The disaster came four days later.
3:21On a Thursday night in Green Bay, after three quarters in which Washington was stuck on three points and about 100 total
3:28scrimmage yards, on the first play of the fourth, Daniels was flushed left by Micah Parsons, tried to scramble, and took a
3:35helmet shot from Javon Bullard on his knee. Daniels stayed in that game, but missed the next two.
3:41Week five was a win against the Chargers, but Daniels wore a chunky knee brace and did not wow.
3:46Week six, he threw three touchdowns and led a stirring comeback, but subsequently blew the game by fumbling with three minutes left.
3:53Week seven, he lasted barely more than a half before a sack fumble forced him to leave with an injured hamstring, whereupon he missed week eight.
4:01Then in week nine, he was trailing 38-7 in the fourth quarter against the Seahawks and suffered a gruesome dislocated elbow, trying
4:08to run in a touchdown from the five. He attempted a week 14 comeback in Minnesota, a 31-0 loss, and lasted partway
4:15through the third before throwing a red zone pick and re-injuring his elbow, trying to run down the interceptor.
4:21For a skinny running quarterback, it was the sum of all fears.
4:24What Daniels put on tape as a second-year player was awful.
4:28We just have to hope it's all fruit from the poisonous tree.
4:31In a best case, the week two knee injury removed his top gear and made him easier to defend from sideline to
4:38sideline, which allowed defenses to tee off against what turned out to be a poor offensive line.
4:44In a worst case, the angst and agita folks had about Daniels before the 24 draft prove correct.
4:49He's Bobby Three Sticks. I don't think so. Or, rather, I hope not.
4:53I still have visions of Daniels serene in the pocket, firing darts to deep targets in his rookie year.
4:59Can you fake that? I admit, I can't promise Daniels is as good as we all believed when he led Washington to
5:06the NFC title game as a rookie. Cliff Kingsbury's gone from D.C.
5:09The team is threatening to put Daniels under center more.
5:13The receiving core beyond McLaurin is at best untested.
5:15And that bad offensive line is mostly unchanged. A healthy Jaden Daniels theoretically has that tantalizing combo of elite running and deep ball accuracy.
5:23So, if you're ready to walk on the wild side, give him another try in 26.
5:28But the floor is obviously lower than we hoped.
5:30So, that's the end of that profile. But then, it just so happens, that's another one where you get a cousin Josh says.
5:38And here's what cousin Josh says about Daniels. I can't do the voice.
5:42I just gotta read it in my voice. I'm terrified.
5:45At the risk of sounding like a douche. He did say that.
5:48Drafting Jaden Daniels this year feels almost exactly like any time I order a martini outside the U.S.
5:54Their vermouth could be sitting at room temperature. I have no idea what kind of garnish I'm getting.
5:59Are they shaking it? Are they stirring it? What kind of water are they using to make their cubes?
6:05The range of outcomes is just wild. One time, I didn't know the language and I got a pepper-tini.
6:11A martini soaked with banana peppers. Get out of here with that.
6:15So, my problem with Daniels? If I draft him, I don't know whether I'll be getting a nice, mellow buzz, I'll enjoy
6:22all evening, or if I'll immediately need to wash the taste away with goldfish crackers.
6:26You can't fake cousin Josh. Truly. I'm a fiction writer.
6:29I can't do his voice. So then there are film grades in the almanac for Daniels because there are film grades in
6:36the almanac for every non-rookie that I wrote a profile for.
6:40And I give you kind of a little color coding in there to let you know what grades changed from the previous year.
6:47I dropped Daniels' vision grade down to a B.
6:49His running grade stayed strong, though, you know, he's an obvious A+, as long as he's healthy.
6:55He's my QB7 because you're just trying to balance it out.
6:58Last year was scary. We certainly could pick right back up where 2024 ended, as long as he stays healthy.
7:04But yeah, I'm not sure enough about it to feel exactly the same way, to extend myself in a draft to get him.
7:11He's probably either coming to me when, you know, I'm ready to pick a quarterback or I'm passing by on that risk.
7:18But yeah, if you'd like to check out the almanac, pre-order for delivery in just 20 days, harrisfootball.com.
7:24Today's kickoff. Okay, on today's show, our division-by-division preview of NFL training camps and the stories we will and won't allow our opinions to change over, it continues.
7:32We'll look at the teams of the NFC East.
7:35Of course, that means Eagles, Cowboys, Commanders, and Giants.
7:38Our goal is to be flexible in cases where we understand something could materially change and then not be flexible in our
7:45ranks and opinions when the true nonsense starts about players that we aren't going to believe anything about unless they're injured.
7:51To help us keep our eyes on that particular prize, Jake Seeley of The Athletic will join the show.
7:57I do think you'll have a fun time listening and I really do thank you again so much for listening today.
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9:50I was serenading Jake as he joined the show.
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10:00It is quite good. Real quick, to jump in, sorry not to cut you straight off the top but here, there was
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10:22I was like, how do you not tag Chris on that?
10:25I did not see that. I was not tagged.
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10:31All right, brother. Well, thanks for coming on and I'm glad, I'm glad I could sing you a little tune as we
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10:53You also just, you were on hiatus for a couple months but you're back with the All In Speed Run podcast so
11:00you get the breakneck pace of the speed run back already.
11:03I think you're not all the way back pacing wise, nor am I but like, you're doing some shows in July and
11:10then it's all all aboard in August. Yep, that's how it goes basically one, maybe two a week depending in August and
11:17then full on board to possibly three a week in the season depending on how things break out this year but yeah, I always appreciate you mentioning that.
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11:36the fascist email, you are here to heed the rules of all the underlines and all the bolds and all the entreaties
11:43to stick to training camp because we are previewing training camp and my goal is to come up with eight shows and
11:50a list of things and players that we will be willing to change our opinions on based on what beat reporters say
11:56and then a much larger list of players that we are not going to listen to the fluff unless they are hurt
12:03and they are staying where they are in our ranks and of course your ranks are different from my ranks so it
12:10is not like we are trying to convince one another that we are right or we are wrong we are mostly just
12:17saying whatever our opinions are right now they are fully baked and I don't know if you know how we came up
12:24with which division you are going to do but it is because on the Yacht Club show yesterday I asked Andy your
12:30colleague at the Athletic as it were I said all right well Jake's coming on the main show tomorrow what division should
12:37he do and he goes NFC East and I go okay oh is that because he is kind of a Giants fan
12:44even though he is trying to make himself through his own sanity trying to make himself not be a Giants fan and
12:51he said no it is because he has some wild takes on the commanders and I was like oh okay really I
12:57actually would have guessed the same thing you did right I think he might have been kidding but I'm not smart enough
13:04to get his joke so we are doing the NFC East teams so let's start it out with the Eagles because they
13:11have one obvious major upheaval in their offense it's AJ Brown getting traded to the Patriots that is a big deal and
13:18Devontae Smith you know whatever you and I have done with Devontae Smith in our ranks he's 120 pounds and his knee
13:25hurts but he's you know unless his knee hurts in August he's probably staying where he's staying the question is what can
13:31we learn in training camp about everybody else and the main person of everybody else is probably the rookie Makai Lemon I
13:38wonder you know you ranked him where you ranked him I ranked him where I ranked him but I wonder if you
13:45will be susceptible to hype because I'm assuming he's a first round rookie receiver he'll probably look great in the uniform he'll
13:52probably look great in drills he'll probably look great in an exhibition game do you have a little bit of sensitivity to
13:59the idea that he has an awesome August does he can he rise a little bit in your ranks with an awesome
14:05August so I'm actually going the other direction because I have I try not to do what we always try not to
14:12do and fall into confirmation bias but I have a higher opinion seemingly than most of Makai Lemon and the fit in
14:19this offense under Sean Mannion so my effect of the offseason would be actually to move him down my ranks I think
14:26that if we see that this injury and the fact that he's already missed some time continues to linger or that plays
14:32into the fact that hey you know what it doesn't sound like he's going to be on the field all the time
14:39and two wide sets and it's maybe a lot of slot like we hear from Omar Cooper with the Jets and you
14:46know that's going to be an effect of his you know share for the entire offense or you know what Mannion's offense
14:53is taking Hurts more time than we thought like there's a lot of factors in here where I actually have them you
15:00said where we ranked them I have them at 31 I have them behind the other two but they are back to
15:06back to back because I do think Lemon and Hurts and the fit in the Mannion offense can work so I'm saying
15:13like I want to get my full spiel on that because I know that's not what you're looking for but I'm presenting
15:20that to say as you asked can I move him up I actually think I'm kind of almost as high as I
15:27can get on him because I believe so if we see all the things just aren't working and there's a lot of
15:34reporters saying you know what it might be a slow start you know what it might be second half of the season
15:40before they trust him into why the connection isn't there Hurts for as good as he's been over the middle and we
15:47know how limited he throws over the little it's just not clicking like we thought then I'm going to start sliding back
15:54like I'm starting at the top and my only room is to come down on him so you're maxed out and I
16:01don't really look at ADP we're not far off from each other I have him I think 34 among receivers okay well
16:07I guess that's PPR I'm 40 standard so maybe not that far off 34 PPR under the theory as you say that
16:14you know however much middle of the field there might wind up being might go to the Amon Ross St.
16:20Brown clone we're sold as not probably St. Brown clone and I'm kind of as you're talking I was like interrogating my
16:27own feeling about the PPR rank being being a bit higher being closer to where your rank is and is there anything
16:34that they could do in August that would like convince me aha they've unlocked Jalen Hurts throwing over the middle and aha
16:41I now you know really feel convicted that 34 is a great spot for him probably not probably I don't think you
16:48can really believe that until you see a game so maybe I agree with you maybe it's worth paying a little bit
16:54of attention just to how much he's on the field like when beat reporters look at formations and stuff and if we
17:01get the starters at all in exhibition games even though that's always such a scary game to play but it's worth saying
17:08okay there's a lot of Dontavian wicks and two receiver sets I mean they don't run a lot of two receiver sets
17:15they're going to run three a lot but yeah I think that's probably right I think probably he's maxed out at least
17:22in full PPR for me it puts him like in an eighth round kind of consideration for me in standard like a
17:28seventh round and you know last week we said this a couple of times for a young player we said this with
17:35Jordan Tyson too for a young receiver who you know isn't doing the Marvin Harrison isn't getting drafted at the beginning of
17:42the second round you know if you're talking about seventh round if you're going to eighth round probably neither you nor I
17:49can get mad at somebody for saying well you know what I want to make sure I get him so I'm going
17:55to take him in the sixth round or whatever like you're not going to blow your draft we screw up sixth round
18:02picks all the time like it isn't going to completely mess you up to like take the shot on him as your
18:09you know number three wide receiver for example so I guess it's a case where maybe some camp exuberance we're probably not
18:16going to raise him any but we're going to feel more comfortable you and I where we have him and we're going
18:23to be okay if people reach a little exactly I think that's a really good way to put it and it's funny
18:29that I was doing another podcast or another one they asked what are your some of your draft tips and I think
18:36what you just said is that everybody's like oh you know you don't want to go too crazy and you know buy
18:43all the hype and all that type stuff but then at the same time let's remember we have a multitude of picks
18:50between our two rounds like if you're looking at it hey I want to take him to six to make sure that
18:57nobody snags in the seventh if that's going to break your draft you did a lot of other things wrong already yeah
19:03that's that in and of itself isn't going to break your draft because we because like if you look at the sixth
19:10round in ADP from last year or the year before more than half the picks blue you know that's just the way
19:17it is exactly it's very difficult to know I don't I don't have too many other specific Eagles topics for you other
19:24than to say you know if we had we did we gathered you and I on this show maybe not talking about
19:30the Eagles but like last year if we had gotten together to list the offenses we trusted you know I'm always trying
19:37to make situation be the smallest part of why I like a player because situations just change offenses change so much from
19:44year to year so we're trying to make that list of teams that we really super trust we that's like a circle
19:51trust that's small each summer but I think we probably both would have put the Eagles in it coming off a Super
19:58Bowl coming off Barkley's insane season coming off hurts being Super Bowl MVP and having two great receivers and like that would
20:04have been one of the offenses we trusted and clearly by the end of the year the Eagles didn't even trust it
20:11they they poop canned the offensive coordinator they're out on kind of everything trying to redo the offense so we're not going
20:18to put the Eagles offense in our circle of trust right now no no AJ Brown and like the offensive line is
20:25a bigger question and I think we so my question I'm sorry it's a long wind up but is there anything I
20:32think the answer is obviously no I'm asking you a leading question but like can you get your headspace back to the
20:38point where they enter that whatever it is three team five team circle of trust by the end of training camp man
20:45it's pretty much no because I agree it's tough to it's it's tough to say you know like okay Sean Manion's offense
20:52is so much better there's more play action there's more over the middle there's blah blah blah like that's all great until
20:59we see it actually work in game action and that's coming from somebody who's gone on arguments about the hate that hurts
21:06gets for not throwing over the middle so that's coming from somebody that's very much in support of this can work but
21:12it's pat it's no pads it's pads and practices it's preseason like I just don't know that we're going to get a
21:19definitive answer to say you know what yeah I can say it'll be better than last year similar to the commanders which
21:26we'll talk about later when you don't have somebody that has a one trick that doesn't seem to work anymore but at
21:33the same time like I don't think it's going to be enough to say oh they're definitively inside the top five I
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22:47fitbod.me slash Harris we are back with Jake and we're talking about the training camps for teams of the NFC East and
22:54we're on to the Dallas Cowboys who have it just seems like every year it's kind of the same story with the
23:01Cowboys like oh well yeah a lot of good skill guys there's no real competition for anything we care about for fantasy
23:08I guess you know I don't want to linger too long on the possibility George Pickens is going to hold out he
23:14signed his his tag he's he says he's not going to he showed up to everything as much as I think he's
23:21a knucklehead you know and he obviously wants a contract beyond this year but just seems like he's going to play out
23:28the season I guess I probably should ask it this way because I'm just imposing my view on you like if if
23:35if he winds up changing his mind Pickens and holding in I mean we would clearly have to react like what would
23:42you do if that were the case I mean I don't think it's what you expect correct if he did unexpectedly like
23:48do you do you dip him pretty far it wouldn't be far but enough to knock him out of the tier I
23:55have him in like I'm the back end wide receiver ones with like the Nico Collins his teammate and others like that
24:02I think the hold in would be enough to say you know what I'll drop him down to the T Higgins the
24:0916s 15s just to it's a little bit more risk baked in and it's not a ton I'm with you I don't
24:16expect it to happen but if it did and I always go back to referencing I did an interview with Mike Tomlin
24:22years and years and years ago and this was Le'Veon Bell missing the beginning of the season and I asked him if
24:29he was concerned and the quote that I always love to reference from him is that Tomlin said there's a difference between
24:36he said I know every player is going to show up in shape obviously that's not 100% true but his point behind
24:43it is I know they're all going to show up in shape he's like there's a difference between training shape and in-game
24:49shape so to miss those reps we've seen it from other players before does take a little bit of effect for the
24:56first few games so it's enough to say you know what if I have to get somebody like Pickens and he's off
25:03to a slow start in the first two games aren't Pickens it's enough to knock him down a tier but not I
25:10wouldn't go much further than that we got first year you know this first year with the team last year came in
25:17and like click immediately so I'm not too concerned for the entire season yeah and plus we don't really expect it the
25:23fact is there's not that much that we're going to learn in training camp with the Cowboys unless it's a bunch of
25:30injuries or a bunch of like negative stuff they just can't keep from leaking out it shocks me that it's worked out
25:37this way with Pickens because I I just think it's very very bad policy to be playing under a one-year deal when
25:44you're a veteran receiver I know he's making a lot of money this year but if I was his agent I would
25:51forbid this I would say sorry man you're you're going out there with a with a full deal or you're not going
25:57out there you know that you need to make it hurt and I mean he's being agreeable and I guess I don't
26:04know if I admire it so much he's certainly taking it's taking what seems like a team first attitude for a player
26:11who let's just say how many years has he been in the league four years I wouldn't have put George Pickens high
26:18on the list of team first players before this I agree with you there yeah so I mean given that you know
26:25boy you think about 365 days ago and the questions about that backfield everyone was on short money Miles Sanders had a
26:31good chances Javante Williams to be the starting running back they had two rookie running backs that people were talking up you
26:38want to talk about training camp hype last year I heard about Jaden Blue a lot in training camp last year and
26:45he wound up not doing anything so you know Javante is locked in he gets his new contract he now is making
26:52real money this probably seems like you know everybody knows the Cowboys are the loudest team in the league no question about
26:58it any news gets magnified with the Cowboys do you view this just as a training camp where you're you're sort of
27:05as a as a listener who's listening right now your goal should be just every time you see a hype video about
27:12Dak Prescott every time you see how CeeDee Lamb is perfect now all that stuff just click just move along I was
27:19gonna say change your algorithm so you can just not see them anymore just because yeah like you said it's just gonna
27:26be hype hype hype hype and I'm sure there'll be some plays will be like oh it's Jaden Blue time we told
27:32you last year you know I had that work out and then Leak Davis ended up being the backup the entire year
27:39and somebody will talk up Phil Moffat at some point after he breaks a tackle so I think this is more of
27:46a collection of parts that you know it would be tough for me to sit here at the end of the preseason
27:53be like you know what blank is definitively the guy to go to if something were to happen to Javante Williams I
28:00just don't think we're gonna get that answer yeah and would yeah like would it ever just be one guy I Malik
28:06Davis looked fine last year I wrote Davis a profile for the almanac he's in the top 80 running backs in my
28:13ranks but like it's low you know he's not draftable he's not really handcuffable but just I mean given that Phil Moffat
28:20didn't play and given that Jaden Blue very played various occasionally and didn't look very good when he did I yeah I'm
28:27like yeah I think I think I'll say I'm Lake Davis but not as a handcuff agreed yeah it's just it's a
28:33it's a training camp probably we're just best off unless there's negative stuff unless there's injuries we're just not gonna we're gonna
28:40do our best not to react and as such let's move on to the Washington commanders I actually really go I read
28:47Jaden Daniels's profile since Daniels is like the only one you know we're kind of not gonna talk about because the whole
28:54thing is either gonna sink or swim on Daniels and you know I guess I will ask about Daniels just to say
29:01my general message on him at the top of the show was well he's my QB seven and he might be your
29:07QB something else but probably training camp and you know the glowing conversation about the kumbaya everybody's singing about the new offensive
29:14coordinator and the new system and all that stuff that stuff probably shouldn't it can we'll talk about how it affects other
29:21stuff but it probably shouldn't change the way you're ranking Jaden Daniels because I presume your rank of Jaden Daniels is fairly
29:28optimistic saying well he was hurt last year and that's all it comes down to for me I am higher I'm a
29:35QB four and it just really comes down with it yeah sure yeah and it's like okay yeah David Blau and all
29:41that type of stuff which I'm sure we'll talk about a little bit more at some point or just you know the
29:48fact like you said everything's supposed to be better I made the joke earlier that Cliff Kingsbury one trick pony and people
29:55it works for about half a season and then everybody's like oh wait it's just Cliff Kingsbury why are we trying to
30:02play anything different against him and then it stops working and you look at Blau and we're gonna have but it all
30:08comes down to as you said like we can go through that and the same thing with Manion with the Eagles and
30:15be like oh it should be better should be no it just comes down to I don't even need Jaden Daniels to
30:22be an elite passer it's just how many quarterbacks have a thousand yard rushing upside into I think he gets there probably
30:29not even with 17 games it's just pick your poison if you want to stay away from him because you're afraid of
30:36the injury risk sure I'm just not gonna play that game not saying you are by having them so significantly you're three
30:42spots lower than me what are you still saying pretty much the same thing it just comes down to the biggest takeaway
30:49I have on Daniels and then we can just move on from him Chris is that it's so funny that last year
30:56people were drafting him definitively as top three saying he has a chance to be the number one quarterback and now the
31:03injury season happens everybody's like yeah I don't want him anymore let's move him all the way down to nine or eight
31:10or something like that and so it just it really comes down to if he's healthy he still has he's still one
31:16of the few quarterbacks that could finish as a number one yes and if one want I mean I'm probably taking the
31:23position that I'm a little more concerned about I'm staying healthy I got the RG3 thing invoked in my head I am
31:30I can see a range of outcomes that I didn't want to believe was possible going into last year which probably explains
31:37my rank for the purposes of right now like I agree we're not really that far off but you're a little more
31:44willing to reach for him than I am and I respect it and of course completely understand it the point being I
31:50hope he's still your QB4 coming out of training camp I hope he's still my QB7 I don't want to yes succumb
31:57to the hype and or the like oh it's a mess oh boy they can't they can't tie their shoes like no
32:04it's gonna all be like we can't we should probably be holding our water on Jaden Daniels but the backfield the running
32:11backs I feel like that I don't know I'll ask it do you feel like that could be a case where there
32:17are those forking paths story-wise where we could hear a bunch of different possibilities that we don't know yet and it could
32:24significantly change where we have those running backs slotted this is one of the ones where I do think we could as
32:31of right now I have them two of them in the fringe RB3 conversation that being white and cross key merit but
32:38I think there are forking paths here I think that's just really going to come down to if it was a non-change
32:45in offensive style and coach then sure we could make you know a point to a little bit for what happens last
32:51year because we have that but as blouse taking over you know a draft I'm not I don't think a lot of
32:58Allen but that's not that's not relevant here honestly like even though I don't have the biggest opinion of Allen what if
33:05they see what a lot in the fit in the offense again I don't necessarily see it but Rashad White's also top
33:12three in receptions over the past three seasons for running backs what if they're like you know what yeah he's pretty kind
33:19of inefficient at times running the ball but he just fits somebody that we can keep on there for most all three
33:25downs and he's getting 60 percent of the work and so like or you know what Rashad White is the inefficient running
33:32back we saw with the Buccaneers and let's give cross key merit more of a chance after essentially I say this all
33:39the time Ben Standig last year at the beginning you because you remember this as soon as they made that trade last
33:46year it was like cross key merit to the moon Ben Standig who I respect a lot came out and said chill
33:52out because this is somebody who's played one game in two seasons and the commanders are going to save him for the
33:59second half of the year which they kind of did but at the same time cross key merit was just okay he
34:06wasn't to the moon by any stretch of the imagination I just think there's a lot of forking past as you said
34:13is the best way to put it that we could find out something by mid end of August that says you know
34:20what now we do know this is everything's pointing to multiple beat reporters reporters blouse saying it the team saying it and
34:26blank is going to be the lead and I do think in that case we would have to move at least me
34:33move somebody up at least into the fringe RB2 conversation when I have them down in the mid to late 30s yeah
34:40I agree this is one that we're gonna have to pay attention to pretty regularly and we're probably gonna do that thing
34:47where we're reading too much into every little word and we might get misled but it but I think we have to
34:54it isn't it isn't what I love doing I don't love parsing you know verb tense or whatever you know when an
35:00offensive coordinator talks but I do think we it will behoove us to be flexible in this regard let me ask you
35:07like what does that I think that's I think part of what you said there is exactly right and it crystallized it
35:14for me a little bit it really comes down to you don't you probably don't want to over commit on anybody here
35:21among Rashad White Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt Katron Allen the rookie because I think we suspect none of them are great and in
35:28the end yes it's you know we don't know whether it's an elite environment offensively I'm not considering the commanders inside my
35:34super small offensive circle of trust you know they can prove it to me during the season but I'm not gonna do
35:41it right now and given that I don't think it's a perfect offense and I given that I don't think any of
35:48these running backs are great that you know there can be a winner the offensive coordinator can say listen Rashad White came
35:55in and earned this job there can be a winner I just don't want to then put Rashad White RB 23 because
36:01I've seen people do that and it doesn't usually work out very well for you if you do that Rashad White like
36:08sure maybe the commanders get fooled by him for a little bit but we we are not gonna get fooled no and
36:15this it honestly reminds me kind of like the Browns two three years ago in consecutive seasons which by the way Jerome
36:22Ford is also on this team as of today is that is that Jerome Ford Kareem Hunt Nick Chubb of like and
36:29then even mixing in like Deonta Foreman was still around at some point Pierre Strong it's just kind of like at the
36:35end of the day we didn't want any of them it's just like oh look oh blank had 18 points this week
36:42let's go chase him and that's like well that was one game and four weeks later we still haven't seen another so
36:49I kind of am feeling like that's where we might be headed even if the offense is a quality offense unless somebody
36:56clearly breaks free and like you said it would have to be somebody that would move up but probably would not that's
37:03why I said fringe RB 2 in my mind I was thinking more of like the 20 28 ish range where it's
37:09like okay Tony Pollard or running back from the commanders like that's kind of where my thinking would be yeah I have
37:16I have white ahead of JCM I thought JCM's tape was freaking horrible I thought he was pretty horrible last year and
37:23that's very subjective I might be wrong I might not know what I'm talking about but I have white ahead of him
37:30too Chris Rodriguez took that job over and the end of the year and like I don't think Chris Rodriguez great either
37:36you know I Dave Kluge's words are resonating in my head which is that a lot of times in a case like
37:43this you kind of want one of them to go supernova in terms of hype and suddenly Rashad White or suddenly JCM
37:50is being drafted at you know in the fifth round or whatever and then you take the other guy as a bench
37:57player and you don't yeah you know you like it's just an absolute lottery ticket and you just see and you get
38:04rid of it but doesn't cost anything as opposed to you know these guys get up in the fourth or fifth you
38:10start feeling like oh like that's a real cost I don't I don't really want to blow that pick the commanders wide
38:17receivers also important Daniels granted you know the the true allure of Jade Daniels is the running I just mentioned earlier I
38:24gave him an A plus grade for running still even after last year's disaster because he was hurt but we do need
38:31the run you know you can't be Anthony Richardson the running quarterbacks need to be a base level of competence in terms
38:38of throwing and often a base level of confidence means more than one pass target is actually kind of okay for fantasy
38:44Terry McLaurin I have a sense that probably wherever you have them ranked usually that's going to be where you have ranked
38:51coming out of training camp but we'd love to like somebody else there I assume at the moment you're not ranking anyone
38:58like Antonio Williams the rookie Jig Okonkwo my long-time what-if tight end from Tennessee who's now in Washington you know Jalen Lane
39:05all these other guys you're probably not ranking any of those guys either at all or anything but like super loud super
39:11late round draftable would good camp news on any of the other pass catchers have the chance to elevate anybody I don't
39:18think so mostly because yeah like I think the most aggressive I have right now is a Konkwo and that's only if
39:25this team is the same team from opening day just because you know if he gets a bump from the 70 target
39:32range to 90 plus then you know a production on the same per target basis even with the commanders that puts them
39:39in the back end tight end one conversation we're always looking for tight ends Antonio Williams he's fine actually think it's a
39:45good fit I wasn't the biggest Antonio Williams fan so that might cloud my opinion a little bit which maybe I need
39:52to shift a little bit if he's getting rave reviews the entire time but I mean this is a makeshift cast as
39:59makeshift as you can get behind McLaurin of the resurgence of trail on Burks which I put that in major quotes the
40:06quotes are carrying a lot in that aspect Diami Brown McCaffrey Jalen Lange you mentioned Jalen Lange it's just a mish mash
40:13back there where I got it and it's just a pure speculation I have no basis for this the only thing that
40:19could change is if they sign Stefan Diggs or something like that and even then it really comes down to if you
40:26look at two years ago it was Terry McLaurin but the second leading target getter was Zach Ertz and then Zaccheaus at
40:3364 even if Daniels throws 520 attempts instead of 480 like he did that year like okay so he's still a little
40:40bit of a tick up from McLaurin but I feel like the number two if it's like somebody like Diggs I think
40:47even in that case or maybe it is Antonio Williams it's still only a wide receiver four and I think that would
40:53hurt Okonkwo like I don't think there's going to be three super relevant pass catchers yeah Okonkwo can't be somebody you reach
41:00for in a standard size draft right now he's much more waiver guy to just like you're not going to get any
41:07proof in August my god they're you know that's one where if they give the if they give the fluff as much
41:14as I want to believe because I think he's talented I will not change my Okonkwo rank based on that I'm with
41:20you I don't imagine changing an Antonio Williams rank I'm willing to learn about him once we get to September absolutely I'll
41:27be open-minded but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go crazy the digs thing is interesting I mean of course Brandon Ayuk
41:34has been trying to legislate his way there forever I would be way more interested in digs than I you get this
41:41point I just seems like I thought you're gonna say I was trying to find the best way to throw away millions
41:48and end his career and they all season yeah I mean same yeah six six one half does the other digs would
41:54be interesting digs still had something left last year and they don't have a slot guy and he very much we grew
42:01real familiar with what Stefan digs's routine was with the Patriots last year and it kind of had a little bit of
42:08easy volume behind it I wouldn't want to get crazy excited for him but and like the moment the good defenses in
42:15the playoffs had it had to say all right who can beat us here we should probably cut down on that Stefan
42:22digs guy they were able to he wasn't beating man coverage out of the slot so like to build your offense around
42:28something like that isn't gonna work because when the rubber meets the road if they need to take you away they can
42:35because he just doesn't have that anymore but a lot of like five yard stops a lot of like it's a six
42:42catch game for 74 yards and the random chance at a touchdown that's gonna get you into flex territory I'll let me
42:49let me close the book on the commanders by asking you this we're way down the speculation rabbit hole but if you
42:55got a legit signing if you got a digs to Washington to just like balance out that receiving core I personally don't
43:02think that's gonna make me lower McLaurin but I wonder about you it wouldn't I actually think this would be a really
43:09nice fit alongside McLaurin to everything you just said what was going through my mind is this would actually be better for
43:16digs to be the number two and not asked to be the one who even as you mentioned with the Patriots wasn't
43:23even on the field for 90% of the snaps towards the end of the year is more like the 60% but it
43:29was a very efficient 60% so digs would be in the 40s a wide receiver for for me but McLaurin pretty much
43:36I have McLaurin at 17 with or without digs and I don't see myself moving up or down we are sponsored again
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44:58Jake loves this team he's just such a huge fan of this team a massive New York Giants fan from way back
45:04well that's true actually you were a massive fan from way back but would it be fair to characterize you have weaned
45:11yourself slightly from this organization I wean myself significantly so much so when I was like hey you know what I was
45:18always a fan of a lot of the players on the team and nobody seemingly roots for them so I'll root for
45:25the Texans for a while even bought a hat but I tell you what with horrible and everything they're doing this offseason
45:32you might as well just put the Corleone quote right in front of me of just when I thought it was out
45:38they're trying they haven't but they are trying to put the I'll put that word into the quote they're trying to pull
45:45me back in all right well the fugitive Giants fan Jake Seeley interested in his opinion on this on this training camp
45:52the first two names we're going to talk about are going to be a little boring to talk about because they're just
45:59about injury but they're significant injuries and one of them we're worried about and one of them you know hopefully we're we're
46:06rounding the corner Malik neighbors is the one I mean unfortunately it's just you know I guess I'll not say unfortunately fortunately
46:12with Malik neighbors it's it's pretty clear either he shocks everybody and the fact that he had a second knee procedure back
46:19in whatever that was April means nothing and he's immediately ready to go and he's just in all the drills and his
46:26knee is fine and everything's great of course Malik neighbors would have upward mobility for me anyway because I'm baking in some
46:33panic over his knee and then I'll just let you run through all the scenarios like the downside of he never participates
46:39in training camp he probably needs to go lower yeah I like I am a 26 and that's basically my way of
46:46telling everybody that unless he's your wide receiver three I don't want to take that risk you know maybe you know your
46:53makeup or your roster whatever is your two and things you get the point there not you everybody listening I understand where
47:00I'm trying to come from there is that I don't want to take that risk as of today because yeah it was
47:07supposedly they didn't do a great job the first time around and the second was more of a cleanup and make sure
47:13we get things right and no my wife Nicole is not an NFL player but she's had similar situations with her ankle
47:20and it wasn't like oh that second one now it's 100% that's all that I needed like you still have all that
47:27recovery and everybody references the film we watch him play in the softball game where it looks like he's running on one
47:34and a half legs and yeah there's time to get back to 100% but I mean we're talking we're nearing the mid
47:41end of July and we haven't seen him on the field we haven't seen him play we haven't seen super positive and
47:47this is the time of the year where everybody like oh everybody's ready for week one Patrick Mahomes George Kittle everybody like
47:54Zach Charbonnet might play this year and then everybody's like sleek neighbors I don't know like that's that's a lot that usually
48:01everybody wants to wax poetically about how good everybody looks at this time of the season so I have him at 26
48:08if he's out there and he plays some preseason games and he's looking healthy yeah I will obviously move him up but
48:14if like you just said the worst case scenario is we don't see him until week one and then he starts the
48:21year on the injury of a pup like I would move him even further down like I think there is downward direction
48:28possible too agreed yeah I have him exactly 26 in a standard I have him 27 in PPR it's funny yeah I
48:35didn't look at your ranks but it's it's a placeholder rank and if we get amazing news I mean he can get
48:42up I mean wide receiver stinks wide receivers unbelievably flat he could get up to 10 of course he could I he
48:48could get up to 10 I'll tell I'm not even looking at my list I'm telling you right now knowing what it's
48:55like at 10 he could get up to 10 if everything was perfect but I mean I don't think we're expecting everything
49:02is perfect how low could he go would he just be 40 and and like just let somebody else get him uh
49:0940 I think I would take the gamble because once you're talking 40 you're talking at least for me you're not like
49:16mid-season replacements yeah yeah like you're probably waiver wire and at that point I'll take the upshot chance especially when you consider
49:22where 40 is going overall in your draft and how many I mean now we're talking about 33 25 hit rate so
49:29I'll take that gamble that late yeah agreed uh and then the other injury guy for the Giants is the particle accelerator
49:36Cam Scadaboo that's his nickname around here uh he had a he had a that's good I didn't heard you say that
49:43one before that I love that one yeah I don't think I came up with that one I can't remember that was
49:49this winter but I think it was a listener I apologize for not remembering who uh so Cam Scadaboo um his leg
49:56injury was awful but we're told he it's like you said with the Kittles and the Mahomes and stuff uh he's on
50:03the optimistic side until he gets out there everybody's saying nice things and he's saying everything's gonna be okay um you know
50:10I'll I guess let's ask the same question let's just say all right if he's full if he's full bore Scadaboo do
50:17you raise him or do you kind of have him at his max right now and if he's not obviously I think
50:23you lower him and then you start looking at Tyrone Tracy a little bit yeah so right now I'm at 21 I
50:30could see moving him up probably two spots but that would be about it uh and that's because I am leaning a
50:37little bit more positively than I expected to be at this point just because of all the reports we actually have seen
50:44some of his workouts whatever you want to call them at this point but there is a lot of hey it's we're
50:51like surprising he's young enough that the knees already or that legs already looking good and so you know 21 to get
50:57him to 19 cool I think there's more potential downward trajectory to use that again with neighbors than there is upward at
51:04this point mostly because even as positively everything sounds I think we have to also acknowledge what this team is and I've
51:11referenced this a couple times and I know you know this Chris is that people I think are overlooking the fact that
51:18he brought in Harbaugh brought in Roman too and that Roman is going to do what he does focus on the run
51:25game he stinks in the passing game we know that Daigie good passing game stinks in the run game I actually think
51:31it's a perfect marriage but we also need to acknowledge what that likely means and that's not somebody getting 70 75 percent
51:38of the work throughout their history what we know about them so I'm I'm leaning into that assumption as well where I
51:45present all that to say is like I I and I could be wrong by this I don't see him moving much
51:52further in my ranks even if he looks amazing because I don't see him getting into the you know Marion Hampton, Brees
51:58Hall, Kyron Williams realm of like top 16 I think 19 might be about it so if we don't get a lot
52:05of positive talk and like he isn't ready for game one of the preseason or game two and game three and he
52:12barely is only practicing not playing I think there's more potential for him to fall than rise yeah I think so too
52:19more potential to fall than rise based on health based on rehab probably not based on um wow we didn't expect to
52:26see Tyrone Tracy running with the one so much like that's just gonna happen that's just the NFL yeah there's just right
52:32not that many guys who do 75 percent of their backfields anymore there's three or four every year so you don't need
52:39Scadabo to be that in order to draft him to be your RB2 um right you know I think it's funny I
52:46did Kluge show a month ago or something like that and he was all over Tracy and I don't know I don't
52:53look at ADP so I'm sure that's partly about price it's not that I don't think Dave is saying um you know
53:00secretly I suspect Tracy is a better player than Scadabo I think he's probably saying secretly I think people are falling in
53:06love with Gadaboo because he's fun and not realizing that this has a chance to be you know a 50-50 type arrangement
53:13plus one of the guys is a contact seeking missile who tries to plow his chest through everybody's you know his head
53:20through everybody's chest and is a good bet to get concussed again and I want the other guy and to me I
53:27don't think training camp is going to tell us really anything about that but that is not when Dave said that I
53:33was like I think I'm going to file that away because that's not terrible logic yeah I completely agree with what Dave's
53:40saying and I've been on the same like I as I mentioned I have him inside my top 20 but Tracy's in
53:47my 40s because of all the potential backups yeah and like there's not like I don't I would not call the Giants
53:54offense a top five or top 10 maybe if they surprise and get the top 10 but I want to call them
54:01that to say like oh I'm attacking this backup running back because if anything happened to it like this isn't Blake Corum
54:07who actually does get a little bit of share but you understand my point is that this isn't Corum behind Kyron Williams
54:14where it's like oh my god whoever it is probably to the moon for top 12 it just comes down to okay
54:21Scadaboo gets hurt who are they turning to it's not going to be Eric Gray who might not even be on the
54:28roster it's not going to be Devin Singletary this Tyron Tracy is going to get his 60% and in that case like
54:35you just said how many running backs even get 60% at this point so that's really what it is the value for
54:41Tracy is just terrific yeah good value in the in the later rounds even if you don't take Scadaboo as like a
54:48as a bench guy see how it goes this is even independent of Scadaboo's performance in training camp right you and I
54:55are probably on the same page we're both basing our rank on an optimistic health result and then probably beyond health really
55:02for everybody there there's not a lot of we're going to take away from day by day like who look good in
55:08drills kind of stuff although that might not be true because I'll end it on this the tight ends because Theo Johnson
55:15I mean he played like a knucklehead last year he was a wild man he played kind of well he looked like
55:22a he came into the league out of Penn State like looking like a really good athlete he killed his combine he
55:29made some splash plays he also made some really stupid plays he's good really good blocker it turned out and then it
55:36so it felt like they were kind of set and then Harbaugh comes in and is like I'm gonna give Isaiah Lakeley
55:42a whole bunch of money um I don't have likely I have likely way ahead of Theo Johnson clearly that's where they
55:49spent their money I'm gonna kind of defer to that until I'm proven other proven otherwise but I'm not I don't I
55:56personally don't have I've likely 14 among tight ends I don't have him inside the top 12 I don't know where you
56:03have him but I wonder whether anything can happen to change the way you're viewing that balance between those two guys in
56:10August not really mostly because I am more aggressive on likely I actually have him inside my top 12 mostly because again
56:16this is my projecting out like I don't know we talk about this on your show all the time but feeling of
56:23Nagy and going back to like even when he had Cole commit with the Bears as I do get a feel that
56:30we might see what we wanted from the Ravens and I know there's that question of like all right Harbaugh you brought
56:37over likely but why did you never use him all the time when he was with the Ravens and people point to
56:44that a lot and I say you know circumstances whatever it might be like we don't know he's not going to tell
56:50us like this is exactly why uh but at the same time look at Nagy who you know generally has leaned on
56:57a lead tight end it's not that he never uses a too tight end and we know the NFL is moving a
57:04lot to that so I don't think Theo Johnson's going by the wayside I just could see a scenario and it ties
57:11into to neighbors where likely could be the one or the two in targets just because of necessity and design on this
57:17team so for that case I have him as a back and tight end one right there behind pits alongside like a
57:24Kelsey Ferguson range um but this is one where I'm not going to turn a blind eye if it's a ton of
57:31tight end two sets and it seems to that likely his role is going to be similar to the Ravens but just
57:38a little bit of an increase where it's like you know what there is no chance that he's going to get inside
57:45that top one or two for targets on the team then I would move him down so I feel like this is
57:51another one where similar to earlier in the show I have him probably at my peak level like I can't see myself
57:58I'm not going to move him in front of Laporte or Fannin or Kittle so he's probably as high as he's going
58:05to go where his only potential is to slide back in my ranks depending on what we hear or see from the
58:12team in the preseason yeah so basically I don't think he has much mobility for me at all because I've already got
58:19that a little bit baked in but I understand where you're coming from whereas you know I kind of already have him
58:25where you would move him back to if you get what you feel to be somewhat negative news which is I think
58:32that news is likeliest to be I you know I think Theo Johnson becomes more the blocking tight end you know he's
58:39just better at it than likely likely is really a slot receiver Johnson is more of a yeah he's a fast guy
58:46but he's he had a good blocking year last year from what I could see on tape anyway so it yeah I
58:52understand where you're coming from that if you get to that feeling of like well you know a lot of the deception
58:59gets taken away and likely is kind of like I mean people been saying about Evan Engram from last year he was
59:06like the passing tell when he was on the field defenses knew you were going to throw if that becomes likely you
59:13don't want that you know you want some possible misdirection and less predictability out of it so yeah interesting all right brother
59:20well very good thank you for helping me think through these these training camp topics it seems like we came out with
59:26a couple of scenarios we want to pay really close attention to that not injury related Makai Lemon we talked about the
59:33whole Washington backfield certainly big one to be paying attention to you can find Jake all over social media wherever you are
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60:48listening please don't give it a second thought I appreciate you so very much that will do it for this Tuesday episode
60:55and we will be back again on Friday for more training camp previews the gentleman who will join us on Friday I
61:01think you know his voice Christopher Harris it's me that little sound bit there I just checked the date created 2016 so
61:08I'm holding this little tiny pit of Pat Doherty hostage for the last 10 years his little sliver his voice that I
61:15use against him but it will be Pat Doherty of Roto World joining the show we're going to preview the training camps
61:22for the teams of the AFC East which should be a great blast as well until then thanks again so much for
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