0:00It's the Harris Fantasy Football Podcast with your host Christopher Harris.
0:04Hey everybody, welcome in. My name is Chris and this show is guaranteed to have between zero and one parasite.
0:10Thank you so much for listening today. How the heck are you?
0:14I appreciate you being back here for the little podcast that could for another fun season.
0:19Would you believe we actually got some July 16th news that matters?
0:23It's subject to debate how much it matters, but in the NFL in July we'll take every little bit we can.
0:30If you were listening along last week, you heard Jim McCormick come on the show and we talked about training camps for teams in the NFC South.
0:39And I was probably a little bit adamant like, no man, I really don't think Alvin Kamara is coming back to the Saints.
0:46And I probably made Jim frame his preview of Travis Etienne through that lens.
0:51And then, lo and behold, we got the news that Thursday, in fact I am a doofus.
0:57That part wasn't news, but the other news was Alvin Kamara will be back with the Saints, albeit he took a significant haircut, something like $6 million less.
1:06I guess, you know, the point was that there was no way Kamara would be back at his contract number, which that was true.
1:14But Kamara wanted to be in New Orleans. He's definitely a franchise icon.
1:18And we are now forced to contend with a 2026 season that has, at least until someone gets injured, both Etienne and Kamara in the same backfield.
1:27Also, it lets me play this. Bitchin' Kamara! Bitchin' Kamara!
1:30So, revisiting the question of what Saints storylines will be worth keeping track of in training camp, does the Etienne-Kamara split go into that hopper?
1:38I think probably yes. Truthfully, Kamara was still already on the pay attention to me list that Jimmy and I came up
1:45with for that division on that show last week.
1:48Even though I really did think we'd probably be paying attention to him somewhere else and he would go somewhere where there was a clearer, bigger role.
1:57But anyway, he's not. In New Orleans, the problem is that, you know, for the purposes of actually knowing anything, I'm fairly
2:04certain Kellen Moore is not going to gather the beat reporters around him after a day of training camp and say, Alright,
2:12boys, here's exactly how I plan on deploying Etienne and Kamara.
2:15So, I'm a little skeptical that, you know, big info is going to be forthcoming.
2:20What I expect is, well, you know, Etienne obviously gets run with the ones, but then they put Kamara out there some too.
2:28Both guys look amazing. Hey, even Kendra Miller seems to be coming back from his knee.
2:33Hey, Devin Neal is a good backup. They really got this running back room on lock.
2:38But I will definitely allow for the possibility that we get news that feels different from that.
2:44Something like, yeah, I don't know. Kamara's kind of just getting treated like another backup.
2:48This is obviously Etienne's gig. Kamara's talking about how, well, you know, I don't play that much, but I'm happy to help the new guy.
2:57Maybe I'll be in there for a couple third downs.
3:00I don't think that's what's going to happen. But I'll allow for the possibility.
3:04And why does it matter? You know, I made a change in the ranks.
3:09Upon this news yesterday, I did drop Etienne a few spots in the running back ranks.
3:14He's down at RB19 standard. Actually lower than that, 20 PPR.
3:18That's updated in the running back ranks at harrishopal.com.
3:21Because knee jerk, while yes, there are precious few running backs who get anywhere near an NFL team's full workload anymore, only
3:28two running backs had more than 80% of his team's carries last year.
3:32Jonathan Taylor, Ashton Gentty. Even having a really good year last season in Jacksonville, Etienne only had around 70%.
3:39So yeah, it's not going to be breaking news to me that the Saints might not give Etienne the truly massive workload.
3:46And I'm not sure they would have. Even Kamara had left.
3:49But I have to admit, if the quote-unquote someone else was Kendra Miller and Devin Neal, how could you not feel a little more secure?
3:57Alvin Kamara has a legit great career behind him.
4:00He didn't look great last year. I thought he slowed down.
4:04I watched more tape yesterday. I thought he avoided contact more.
4:08I thought he wasn't particularly good before he got injured.
4:11But he is a franchise legend. And he has been one of the great receiving backs of the 21st century.
4:17And I think he probably is a little more of a drain on Etienne than the younger guys would have been, theoretically.
4:25Now, as I say, if we get into August and the Saints are disavowing that like crazy, I will pay attention.
4:32That's a story that could matter if clarity is forthcoming.
4:35I'm a little skeptical it is forthcoming. But if it is, I'm willing to change Etienne's rank back up a few spots higher among the running backs.
4:44So I did have to write an Alvin Kamara profile, after all, for the forthcoming almanac.
4:49And also amend the profiles of Etienne and Miller and Neal.
4:52That is done. We are getting close. The 2026 Harris Football Player Profile Almanac is coming, the first edition on August 3rd.
5:00I got an email from Ben B. in Washington, D.C.
5:03Hey, Harris. Currently being slow-boiled over here in D.C.
5:06My wife's birthday is on August 2nd. Do you think giving her a pre-order receipt to the almanac and suggesting she study
5:13up so she doesn't come in last in our home league again would be a good present?
5:19Oh, Ben. You shouldn't have done that. Hopefully she doesn't listen to the show.
5:23Yes, I think very much if you gave her that receipt and she could wait to the next day and then she
5:30has a lot of homework ahead of her, ahead of the draft, I think she'd love you all the more.
5:37But you know what? Let's give the folks another taste.
5:40Let's read another profile. This one from the AFC East, since that's what we're talking about today.
5:46One of my favorites, actually, in this profile. It goes like this.
5:50It's Drake Maye. Dearest father, I hope this letter finds you well.
5:54I write from aboard my high seas vessel, huddled in the less than comforting embrace of a number 10 New England Patriots
6:01jersey, drenched in sea spray and desperately trying not to repeat mistakes of the past.
6:06And yet, with my compass needle jammed and the overcast offering no bearing, I fear familiar waters that have previously run me aground.
6:13It was but one year ago I pronounced myself a believer in the siren's song of shocking youth.
6:19I supposed it was the sun on my face and not the heat of false promise.
6:24When I reached this point in my journey in the summer of 2025, I cast my lot with a tyke who'd laid
6:32waste, who'd made his station appear easy, and who'd bent the qualities of matter to his will during the most unexpected of January expeditions.
6:39This precocious yunker had performed his magic exactly once, but it was enough for me.
6:44His name was Daniels. He made me a fool.
6:47Father, this time around, it's all so familiar. Again, I know not whether I'm pointed boreal or austral.
6:53Again, a veritable child has presented himself with truly ludicrous promise.
6:57Again, it seems nothing should go wrong. I am chilled not merely by my surroundings, but also by coincidence.
7:03Dare I nominate another nestling to be my helmsman?
7:06I, in theory, circumstances are contrastive. Contrastive, he said.
7:09Daniels, in retrospect, may have been a pony with mostly one trick.
7:13His aerial attack aroused some belief, but his sea legs were most alluring.
7:17This new boy, may, certainly moves well, but it is the aggressiveness of his aviation that evokes most luminous comparisons.
7:24It was only one season, but this shaver was poised and maneuverable, coercive and exact.
7:28To review his performance is to watch a nipper behave as might a leathery old salt.
7:34Watch him swashbuckle against those buccaneers with deep precision.
7:37See him out-virtue some saints with improvisational glory. If May's privateer logs suggested he'd been skirting Davy Jones' locker for a decade, I'd believe it.
7:45Nevertheless, I am at least rudderless, and if you saw my state, you might say terror-struck.
7:50This past January, May's juvenility showed, and his waters will not be so calm in 26.
7:55Last year, his crew was blessed by unearthly vitality, and he himself wielded no particular reputation for heroic deeds.
8:02Like Daniels before him, Father, May has only done this one time, and now expectations are hugesome.
8:07And yet here I am, spinning near-blind on the turquoise hydrosphere, once again ready to embrace the risk of the possible.
8:14Power, touch, mobility, exactitude. At his best, the boy evinces all these.
8:18I fear this communique may never find you, and I'll be cast away forever, chasing the new at the expense of the steady.
8:25But you schooled me for boldness. You schooled me for belief.
8:29And so where some see a tot, I force myself to see that most stupendous of creatures.
8:35A footie pajama king. Truly. That was very early.
8:38That was like the first day that I wrote profiles.
8:41I got ambitious there. May's profile also then has a research project that investigates some one-year wonder quarterbacks over the past 20
8:48years, wondering how likely it is we get yet another, because we've been burned here lately with the likes of C.J.
8:55Stroud and Jaden Daniels not being able to follow up their great first season.
8:59Anyway, I think you'll enjoy the almanac. I even think Ben's wife might enjoy the almanac.
9:05You can pre-order it right now at harrisfootball.com. Today's kickoff.
9:08Okay, on today's show, our division-by-division previews of training camps continue.
9:12We have talked NFC and AFC South. We talked NFC East just this past Tuesday.
9:16Today, as I've said, it will be the teams of the AFC East.
9:21There's about to be so much noise and so much hype.
9:24What should we be susceptible to? What should we try to ignore?
9:28Hopefully, we can get some click discipline going for the footy pajama patriots, the Bills, the Dolphins, and the Jets.
9:35To help me do that, Patrick Doherty from Rotoworld.
9:38He will join. It'll be fun. Thank you again so much for listening today.
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10:49Today's guest. The Berkeley of a personality. Charlie Day, Ringo Starr.
10:52Mr. Also Important at Roto World. Welcome Pat Doherty.
10:55He is Patrick Doherty. That walk-up music goes back a good 11 years or so.
11:00You can find him all over social media. Just look up Roto Pat.
11:04You can hear him on the great Roto World football show with our friend Danny Carter and read him over Roto World as well.
11:12And now, it's so exciting for me, Pat. I have to imagine that this feature was invented with me in mind.
11:19The blurbs, the individual blurbs on Roto World now have attribution.
11:23So I never have to wonder whether you wrote the blurb.
11:26You don't. And now you'll be wondering when I do write blurbs.
11:30Fair. You can see my name on there a ton this summer.
11:34I've been doing some other stuff this summer. I blurb a lot more during the season.
11:39But yes, at long last, we weren't entirely in favor.
11:43But the logic behind it, we all decided it was necessary.
11:46The logic behind it, want to project this is not AI, for instance.
11:51Where now any uncredited writing at this point is almost just assumed to be AI.
11:55Wanted to send the message like, no, this is indeed not AI.
11:59And maybe have the writers just take a little more ownership of it in this AI era.
12:05True end of an era. True end of an era, but it felt like time.
12:10Yeah, and I completely understand why the thought would be not to do it.
12:14Because it's not about us. It's about the product.
12:17It's about the thing. But I think from a perspective of somebody who once long ago left a big media company and
12:25felt like wanted to be differentiated somewhat, I think the opportunity for the individual writers to develop a little bit of a,
12:32hey, this is a me kind of thing is great.
12:35And then also just from a power user of the site, you know I'm constantly texting you about, hey, this is baloney.
12:42I didn't like this one. I can't imagine what it's like in May to be getting an angry text from me saying,
12:49hey, this blurb that you didn't write, I'm very upset by it.
12:53But I do think it, as a reader, I like it.
12:57I like the idea that, okay, this is this guy's take.
13:01This is not the state take. This is not the everybody at Rotor World stands behind their take.
13:06Yeah. That is the thing. We liked the state take.
13:10We liked trying to have a unified voice as a site.
13:13And not that anyone was ever pressured into writing a take they didn't agree with.
13:18But it was just meant to promote like kind of, let's try to have a bigger picture outlook.
13:24And let's also not send mixed messages. You know, one blurb we don't want to say, you got to add them.
13:31And then the very follow-up blurb's like, this guy can never be added.
13:35It was meant to try to create a bit of a unified voice within reason, of course.
13:41But yeah, everything has its time. And it was time to ditch the non-bylined blurbs.
13:46Right. And to be honest, I have to say, I think that state take kind of failed.
13:51Like I think by the end, you were getting too many contrary kind of things on the site.
13:57That wasn't just by the end. It was, that was the entire time.
14:01But well, it was a noble, noble pursuit. It was a noble cause.
14:06Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, big fan, big fan over here of everything that Rotor World does.
14:11And I look forward to, of course, all your columns.
14:14Every time I see one, I tweet about it or I skit about it or whatever the heck we do.
14:20Um, and so you're great and I'm excited to have you here to talk about the preview, the training camps for the AFC East.
14:28And we're going to start with my footie pajama patriots.
14:31Um, what can we learn in training camp or what should we ignore in training camp?
14:37I, I'm going to assume backfield. Well, first of all, we're not going to talk a lot of Drake May because you
14:44got him where you got him unless he's hurt.
14:47You know, I just read his profile a couple of minutes ago on the show, uh, from the Almanac.
14:53Um, and even like the backfield, I assume you're relatively locked in on wherever you have Henderson ranked, wherever you have Stevenson ranked.
15:01I assume it's some level of split because all backfields are some level of split.
15:05Let me ask you this. Is there a level of hype on Travion in training camp that could get you to budge
15:13off of where you are on those two guys?
15:16I think a fairly minimal level of hype. Like he, he's a guy where I would accept even cliches.
15:22Like it's still early enough in his career where I feel like cliches might mean something.
15:27Like cliches, like he's got more trust from the coaching staff this year, or he's playing faster than he did as a rookie.
15:35Like two yearly cliches that we hear that usually don't mean anything.
15:39But if they ever do mean anything, it's typically with a young player.
15:43It's frequently with a young running back. And two, it might actually mean something.
15:47It means less when it's someone who's never produced.
15:50Travion Henderson at least produced as a rookie. Had some big games, had some big plays.
15:56So it's not like some guy's playing faster who, that's just compared to how he looked on the practice squad.
16:02I would, Travion is the rare guy where this year I am, even if we're just getting boilerplate quotes from the coaching
16:09staff, boilerplate notebook reports from the media. I would take notice because there's not a whole lot standing between him and a
16:16bigger role and a lot more fantasy points than he scored last year.
16:21And he's a guy where if he just comes out and has the classic good training camp, I really will be paying attention.
16:28It could end up meaning nothing, of course, as it so frequently does.
16:33But he is in the strike zone, the very limited small strike zone, where I feel like that stuff actually matters.
16:39So I am paying attention to that stuff with Travion Henderson this summer.
16:44So I'm probably less so, but I understand where you're coming from.
16:48Maybe it has something to do with where we have them ranked.
16:51I have Travion like 21 and Stevenson like 31.
16:54Is that, are those the neighborhoods that you... The exact same range.
16:58I cannot, for a guest job by me, I can't quite recall my exact rank, but it is that exact range.
17:05Yeah, that range, that's fine. Here's why, like the things that I need to know about Travion, I actually don't think a
17:12beat reporter observer will be able to observe. Because my concerns with Travion, and again, we're ranking him, you know, 20, 21, 22, whatever.
17:20Like we're saying, take a shot on him as an RB2, he might get better.
17:25But there were some obvious problems. And it's hard to construct a resume that's like really enticing for fantasy when it's basically
17:32like, cool, you either get an 80-yard run or you do, you know, seven touches for 17 yards.
17:38Because this kid appeared not to be able to see color.
17:42Or I don't know. I don't... That's called the Miles Sanders, by the way.
17:46The little Miles Sanders. A little Raheem Mostert in the game, maybe.
17:50Like no rhythm, like just kind of running as fast as he could and smashing into things and falling down.
17:57No ability to cut back at all. And like, and of course then the past, you know, I've said this a million
18:04times on the show, but the past protection problems where the one thing everybody agreed on as a prospect was, my God,
18:11Travion Henderson is the most complete pass blocker you've ever seen.
18:15He comes into the league and they quite literally can't trust him on third down.
18:20They didn't play him at all. They were like, he's a disaster.
18:24So these are all areas where he can 100% improve.
18:27I just am not sure that I would believe it coming from like Mike Reese's mouth.
18:32There's only so many open practices, I know. But they will be able to observe is Mike Rabel screaming at Travion Henderson today.
18:40This training camp is the one time where the media can actually see this stuff.
18:45They get to see real padded practices. And there's joint practices.
18:48Right. Yeah, joint practices too. They matter. Yeah, yeah.
18:51And it's another thing with Travion. I'm glad you brought up the pass protection because that was the horrible incongruency between his
18:58prospect profile and then his rookie performance. The fact that he came into the league with it as a supposed strength would
19:06lead me to believe he can come back around on that.
19:09And it's an area where he can actually improve.
19:12And I think the media could hopefully see and diagnose that.
19:16But the problem with my points is that even if this stuff happens, it couldn't end up meaning nothing.
19:22But he's just in the rare era state of his career where it might matter.
19:27I accept it. I accept what you're saying. Let me ask you this.
19:31Just like if you get everything you want to hear within reason, not Ramondre being hurt or them saying, you know, we've cut Ramondre Stevenson or something.
19:40Does Henderson have like real legit upward mobility in your running back ranks if you get to hear what you want to hear?
19:47I think so. I mean, I'm not going to put him higher than RB18, but I could see a scenario where maybe...
19:55I mean, that matters. Yeah. No, that's a big difference.
19:58Going from 22 to 23 would be... Going from 22 or 23 to 18 or 19 would be a big difference.
20:05I would say that is a possible outcome for me.
20:08All right. Pass catching wise, I just don't... You know, unless he's hurt, A.J.
20:13Brown, you know, it probably is wherever you have him, wherever I have him in our ranks.
20:18That's fine. We can kind of... I'm going to plan on glossing over the fawning over A.J.
20:24Brown. I would love to find someone else with Drake May to be excited as a pass catcher.
20:30I'm not going to buy hype on Hunter Henry.
20:33You know, he is what he is. He's fine.
20:36He's good. He probably can be a fantasy starter-ish, but just be kind of boring.
20:40I just have a hard time imagining what like Romeo Dobbs camp hype even sounds like.
20:46Too quick though. On A.J. Brown, I will be looking for like, I guess more cliches, but looks healthier than he has in years.
20:54Looking much smoother than he did the final two years in Philadelphia.
20:57And just maybe some indication he's reached an accommodation with his knee, basically.
21:02Because it's been a growing issue. The kind of issue that does not usually go away, of course.
21:08But I will be paying attention just to the offhanded health reports of A.J.
21:12Brown. But I do totally agree with you. It's not...
21:15I'm not going to adjust my A.J. Brown ranking at this point.
21:19Like, talk about what we believe to be a finished product in fantasy football.
21:24I'd be pretty bad at my job if I were greatly adjusting my A.J.
21:29Brown rank during training camp. Dobbs, the only thing I will be looking for, if we get this drumbeat that he's taking
21:36the Steph Diggs role, and for the first time in his career, he's actually getting easier looks, more underneath targets, some easy
21:43button usage in the passing game, the kind of stuff he just didn't get in Green Bay.
21:49I would pay attention to that because I think the belief was maybe, just because of how good they are as players,
21:56that it was going to be more A.J. Brown, doing Stephon Diggs type stuff.
22:00But we know they're different kind of players. And maybe it's underestimating the degree that Romeo Dobbs is going to do that,
22:07even though he's always been more of a downfield guy too.
22:11That's just been an early talking point coming out of Patriots practices.
22:15And if we get this drumbeat, like Dobbs is doing the Diggs thing.
22:19I think Dobbs' ADP is a little low. He's basically going as a barely there wide receiver four.
22:25And I think he could be a wide receiver three.
22:28I don't think he has the upside for much higher than wide receiver 34 to 36 range.
22:34He is, I think, the Patriot, even more than Travion Henderson, where I will be dialed in on training camp reports.
22:41Yeah, I'm compiling a list that, in each of these eight shows in July, that when the guest kind of hits on a player.
22:49I didn't plan on adding Dobbs, but the more you talked about it, the more I'm like, yeah, we probably could believe
22:56the reports that say he's just in the slot way more than he ever was in Green Bay.
23:02That is a concrete thing that we could hear.
23:05And that's the Diggs role. And it was pretty valuable last year.
23:09Like, there's a limit to it. But especially in PPR, like, yeah, I'm struggling right now to get him in my top
23:1650 because there's receivers are all the same down there.
23:19But being paired with May in a role that we've seen be valuable, I get where you're coming from.
23:25Yeah, I believe his ADP is outside the top 50, too, not just your ranking.
23:30So not a lot of belief in a guy that, I mean, how much money did he get?
23:36Was it like $80 million? Not that that tells the entire story.
23:40Maybe it was only $64 million. Great preparation by me there.
23:44But a lot of money is kind of how I would put it.
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25:00We're back with Pat and we are talking through the teams of the AFC East and their training camps.
25:06We're on to the bills. You know, Josh Allen should have receivers who matter for fantasy.
25:11That seems like obvious, but they haven't. Now you're asking for too much.
25:15I know a couple straight years where when Khalil Shakir and his three yards per catch or whatever, three air yards per catch is your big allure.
25:24It's pretty gross. They seem to have tried to address it trading a second round pick very controversially for the little badass DJ Moore.
25:32You know, I assume you're interested. I assume you have eyeballs and see that the possibility is out there for a Josh
25:39Allen receiver to once again post Devon Diggs actually produce for fantasy.
25:43But I also assume you feel burned enough that you're not going to go crazy on DJ Moore.
25:49Is there a level of positive hype that could see you, you know, lift him out of your ranks, dust him off
25:56a little bit and put him like five to ten spots higher?
26:00I hate to sound gullible, but I guess yes is the answer.
26:04Two things I'm looking for for DJ Moore. Along the same lines of A.J.
26:09Brown, I would not be surprised at all if we hear stuff like he was just never right last year.
26:15You know, he was literally hospitalized after a game and then played the following week.
26:20I think he was probably not playing particularly close to 100 percent at any point last season.
26:26I guess that's true of probably a majority of players, but it seemed particularly extreme in his case that he was out there battling.
26:33And I would like to hear that he's just more like the DJ Moore we remembered this year.
26:39And then he's finally healthy over whatever was ailing him last year.
26:43Maybe the other thing would be, I guess the Bills offense has kind of gotten away from this.
26:49But if we hear like DJ Moore is being allowed to freelance more like he used to, because him and Ben Johnson did not see eye to eye.
26:58And I'm assuming that was probably part of it.
27:01Just not executing the offense the way like a taskmaster like Ben Johnson wanted him to.
27:06And then maybe if they're in Buffalo, they're just going to let him do his thing, kind of go out there, get
27:14open for Josh Allen, who's one of the best quarterbacks to do that with, even though he's been doing that less in recent years.
27:22If we hear him like they're letting DJ Moore do his thing, I would pay attention to that.
27:27Because I think that was one of the reasons why he failed so spectacularly for Ben Johnson is maybe he was being
27:35forced to play too rigidly in structure. And he's a guy that just needs a little freedom out there once the ball is snapped.
27:42So I will be, that's one thing we might not hear anything on it, but that is one report I'm kind of waiting in anticipation of in Buffalo.
27:52I think maybe I baked it into my, I'm such a DJ Moore honk.
27:56I'm absolutely, you know, just, I'm always ready to believe.
27:59I probably already baked that possibility into my, I have them 20 among standard receivers, like 24 among PPR.
28:06I don't really look at ADP this time of year because it's, you know, nonsense and best ball bros and stuff.
28:13And, but I have been told, and I assume as is usually the case with Moore, that I'm just ahead of the market on him.
28:21I'm trying to think of, for me, is there anything other than injury that I can hear that would make me go, whoa, I'm backing off.
28:29Probably not. Probably not. I'm such a honk. But I assume you have him lower.
28:34Or is there a world where he can get as high on your list as I have him on mine?
28:41Well, how high do you have him on yours?
28:44How high are we talking here? I don't have, I have him in the lower 20s.
28:49I could, there is a world where by the end of training camp, I do make rather dramatic rankings changes sometimes in
28:56camp because you get really locked in on your priors over like six months of the off season where there's just nothing actually changing.
29:04And then stuff can change at such a dizzying rate in training camp.
29:08A lot of times you're going to have that.
29:11Wow, that was pretty dumb to ever have him as low as wide receiver 32 or whatever.
29:17So I could see DJ Moore. I have him in more as like a mid-range wide receiver three right now.
29:23I could see him pushing in to low end wide receiver two status, say six weeks from now for me.
29:30All right. Well, I therefore don't have upward mobility, but you might.
29:34That's interesting. There's not too much else in the Buffalo training camp that's that interesting.
29:39I'll tell you this though. I said this in my notes to you.
29:43James Cook should have a handcuff. He's a little guy.
29:46He's been unbelievably durable. He's been fantastic. He got the new contract.
29:50I wish nothing but the best. He should go in the fantasy first round.
29:55He's going to go in the fantasy first round.
29:58He's been wonderful. You know, turned his career around like a year and a half in.
30:03He's getting benched for Damian Harris. Like he has, you know, really changed the kind of running back that he is.
30:10He's great, but he's little. And I wish we could get a handcuff out of him because it would make me feel
30:17better about taking him in the first round. If in the 14th, I could take someone.
30:22The problem is that Ray Davis, whose rookie film I really liked, limited ability.
30:27He became the kickoff returner basically. Is there anything that could convince you that Davis is a legit, like he would inherit
30:34the earth if James Cook got hurt in August?
30:37Not really. He seems like the kind of player to me that would just get stuck in an unsatisfying committee.
30:43Like Ty Johnson is really involved as a third down back.
30:47Or even if Ty Johnson gets cut, some other random guys really involved as the third down back.
30:53And then for Ray Davis, like, well, at least they'll get the goal line carries.
30:58But I could see that being a scenario where it's just Josh Allen gets even more goal line carries.
31:04So Ray Davis, unfortunately, I don't know if he has another gear to ascend in either his role or his ranking.
31:11Well, let's, I mean, I think that's a judgment on the player.
31:15Let's say they say it. Let's say they say Ray Davis really looks like a player now.
31:20We're talking about maybe renewing his contract, you know, like next year.
31:24We think he's going to get a second contract.
31:27And we think we have our backup in case James Cook gets hurt.
31:31Like teams don't usually say things like that. But if you heard that, would you start to believe?
31:37Okay, if I take Cook. I mean, we're arguing about angels on the head of a pin here.
31:43I understand. But like rather than a judgment about whether you think he himself has the extra gear, if you heard that
31:50someone say in Buffalo they had the extra gear, are you programmed to just ignore that?
31:56I wouldn't ignore that. But I guess we're programmed to just know that that wouldn't happen.
32:01Okay. Ray Davis saying you don't believe it. Yeah.
32:04Yeah. Ray Davis, I have been burned by him in the past.
32:08I will freely admit that. But there's just other – the Cook, despite being a slight guy, there are other situations where
32:15I'd be more dialed in on the contingencies than James.
32:18James Cook just doesn't seem like an area where I'm going to get a whole lot of contingency goodness from the guys behind him.
32:26Yeah. And your point is so right. It's really – the answer is because of Josh Allen.
32:32It's just Cook is already walking – as a first-round pick is walking a dangerous line because Josh Allen can just go,
32:39you know, this year I think I want to have 25 rushing touchdowns.
32:43And suddenly, you know, and suddenly Cook is like, oh, cool.
32:47So that means I get three? And Josh Allen's like, yeah, you get three.
32:51And then we all cry. So, yeah, it is – the answer is probably no.
32:56I agree. All right. Miami, the Dolphins. I guess the upside – The Dolphins and Jets also in the NFL.
33:03That's right. And like as everybody – well, here's the thing.
33:06Let's just have a meta conversation about that because it's going to inform everything I'm going to ask you about with those two teams.
33:14Because they're so widely presumed to be horrendous, and they probably will be horrendous, but you know I say this all the time.
33:22I'm trying to make my anticipation of what the teams are like be as little a possible factor as I can because we're wrong all the time.
33:31The Patriots would have been on that list last year.
33:34The Jags might have been on that list last year.
33:37Like the Colts certainly were on that list last year.
33:40We're wrong all the time. Am I wrong to enter training camps kind of looking for reasons to find value in an
33:48eighth-round pick, a sixth-round pick, a 14th-round pick? Because these guys' markets, except for like A-Chan and Brees Hall, these guys' markets
33:55are all going to get so depressed because everyone's positive those teams have no chance?
34:00No, you're not wrong because value has just become so difficult to find as the market has become so efficient.
34:06There's still inefficiencies in ADP, but it tends to be in the opposite direction as it used to be, whereas 10 years
34:13ago there could be a young player. Basically everyone, quote-unquote, knew was going to have a bigger role, and the drafting public
34:21just wouldn't sink in with the drafting public, and the ADP would never adjust.
34:25And people like us would clean up and say our home league drafts because the words never trickled down.
34:31That doesn't happen anymore where sleepers are almost over-indexed now, so you get guys like Basial Tootin going in the top 24.
34:39It's harder to find value than it used to be unless you're willing.
34:43I guess now the value is always with older players.
34:46People don't want to draft, but there's going to be value somewhere in this Dolphins' skill core because the only guy with an ADP is Devin Achan.
34:55No one else even has an ADP. So I'm definitely sifting through the Dolphins' camp reports.
35:00Unfortunately, I hate to be such a naive, I guess what it would be called, slappy.
35:05I will be monitoring the Malik Washington reports. I did like him as a day three pick coming out of UVA, but
35:13Mike McDaniel, I know there are two good guys ahead of him.
35:17Mike McDaniel couldn't make Malik Washington a thing. I'm not really sure why Bobby Slowick was going to, but he is the
35:24guy where it could be like Malik Washington caught 70 passes this year, and he averaged 9.2 yards per catch.
35:30I'm not sure why they did that, but it all counts the same in fantasy football.
35:35I am monitoring Malik Washington. Devin Achan, by the way.
35:39I can't remember if you asked me about Devin Achan yet or not, but talk about a bet on talent draft pick.
35:46Like, him falling to the RB 9-10 range seems insane to me.
35:50I know it's such a bad offensive environment, but the Dolphins are the rare team where they're going to have to be
35:57committed to the run no matter what the score is, no matter what the game flow is.
36:03Because I'm going to bet on Devin Achan's talent.
36:06I think he should still be in the RB 5-6 range, and he's going in the 9-10 range.
36:11Yeah, these are two very conflicting forces for me, because on the one hand, Achan's size and workload scares the bejesus out
36:19of me, and there are injuries out there for him.
36:22Especially, I think, the worse of the team around him.
36:25There are probably worse injuries for him, because he has to take on more and more.
36:30And then yet, the market forces that are saying the Dolphins have no chance, and he can only max out at five touchdowns or whatever.
36:39That's just, we don't know that for sure. There's a possibility the Dolphins could wind up being a fine, a perfectly okay offense.
36:46We don't know. Even if they're not, who's going to score the touchdowns?
36:50It's going to be Devin Achan. You know, I guess probably I'm a little suspicious of the who else is there argument,
36:58because if you're, you know, there's always someone else.
37:01They'll always put some other body in there. Ollie Gordon accidentally gets, you know, seven touchdowns and ruins everything.
37:07But I think I'm more likely to be on the Achan side of things.
37:11I can't believe it after the way this has gone.
37:15And I've been wrong. I've obviously been wrong on Achan.
37:18I've just been terrified. You know, he is not a stick your nose in there kind of runner.
37:24And I think it's hard. It's hard to live as a pure perimeter player, but he's just so fast that he's been able to do it.
37:32But I guess the reason to be a doubter is to say, yeah, but they always had somebody else to distract the defense from the edges.
37:41And if they just don't have any other playmakers, then they're going to put, you know, they're going to put corners out there for God's sake.
37:49They're going to put safeties out there. They're just not going to let him run around the edge the way he does
37:56all his big plays around the edge practically. And I guess that's right.
38:01And that's the disaster. That's how it doesn't work out for Achan.
38:05But I like what you said. Like, I don't know if this is so much about camp because it's hard to imagine
38:12we're going to get a training camp out of Devon Achan where the beat reporters are like, I don't know.
38:18They might not be using them that much. Like, you know, he's pretty much locked into what he's going to do.
38:25But like, he's so small. I don't want 300 carries out of him.
38:30I don't. I'm happy to have, you know, Jalen Wright take some of the work.
38:34Great. Between the 20s. Fantastic. Ollie Gordon, every so often on fourth and one.
38:39Please take the hammering because I don't want Achan taking those hits.
38:43He's tiny. But I can't believe it. I think I'm probably, you know, I'm with you.
38:48I don't think he belongs at RB11 or whatever.
38:51No, and just every, too, I'll be totally fine with him being subbed out frequently on early downs because he's not going
38:58to be subbed out at the goal line. The high value touches in this offense almost by definition have to be funneled to Devon Achan this year.
39:07And also, I feel like we'll get a little motivated reasoning from the Dolphins.
39:12Like, we just extended this guy. We made him the face of the franchise base.
39:17So, like, he's the one thing the fans have to live for this year.
39:21Like, damn it, we're going to get Devon Achan as numbers.
39:25I'm just not very worried about Devon Achan. Right.
39:28Well, and so maybe we're going to get to August and feel like, of all things, you know, now we're – I can't believe it, but he's value.
39:37You know, whereas I did not call him that previously.
39:40You mentioned one receiver, Malik Washington. They have a whole lot of them.
39:44They have a whole lot. It seems for sure like I'm going to put this group on the list of things to
39:52pay attention to because there's three rookies, are there?
39:55Maybe it's just two real rookies. I believe there are three.
39:58If you consider Kevin Coleman, I can't believe we have to deal with Tevin Coleman and Kevin Coleman on a podcast in
40:05which people can't see my face and I have to go, Kevin Coleman.
40:10So he's the fifth rounder, but then Chris Bell, who was really going to be a first-round pick, I guess, right?
40:16I wrote a profile for him. I learned all about him.
40:20Like, he was – until he tore up his knee, this was going to be a mid-first-round pick, and they got him in the third.
40:28And there's obviously a question about whether he plays at all this year.
40:33There's Caleb Douglas. There's also Jalen Tolbert, who had moments here and there with the Cowboys.
40:38There's Tutu Atwell, who never had a moment in his life, so let's not get excited about that.
40:44But Terrace Marshall is in that camp. Jalen Rieger is in that camp.
40:48I just don't even – I mean, there's so many guys that there are dozens of potential paths that this could take
40:55where people start talking about an undeniable type player.
40:58Probably, probably none of them are undeniable, and the quarterback is Malik Willis, so maybe it doesn't even matter if they're undeniable.
41:05But, again, this is the kind of place where if we can get a little bit of a toehold, just a little
41:12bit of insight out of these camp reports about how well the rookies are acclimating, about Jalen Tolbert really taking over that
41:20room and looking like an alpha, about Malik Washington being a dynamo out of the slot.
41:25Like, this is – I think that matters a lot because so many people are just going to be dismissing the entire situation out of hand.
41:33Absolutely. This is, like, the dictionary definition situation where somebody does have to catch the ball.
41:39Like, it's also the extremely rare situation where I – literally no one is penciled in to guaranteed targets.
41:45So I don't know if I've ever seen a receiver core where things were this up for grabs where you don't even
41:52know – like, usually, like, there's two guys who could be the number one.
41:57And there's – we just don't have any idea how this is going to shake out.
42:02The Dolphins are pretty well covered, so we're going to get a lot of reports on the camp rotations and that kind of thing.
42:10One thing I will be on the lookout for is kind of his skill set.
42:15If we get some Malik Washington is basically – he's like an extension of the running game receiver.
42:20I could see that because it's going to be that kind of offense.
42:25We know they're not going to be trying – other than, like, some occasional, like, take your chances deep shots.
42:31They're not going to be pushing the ball down the field.
42:35It's going to be a run-based offense, one where they're probably looking for small wins, trying not to put too much on Malik Willis' shoulders.
42:43And that is Malik Washington's skill set. So just if we see something along the lines, yeah, he's basically an extension of the running game.
42:51I would pay a lot of attention to that.
42:54But it is the kind of offense where you have to just sift through the really tedious – like, I was out
43:01there and I charted, you know, who had – who ran the most routes in Malik Willis' under center today?
43:08Because we don't have any idea, like, what the three receiver set is going to be or the two receiver set or whatever.
43:15And someone – by definition, someone has to be out there doing it.
43:20I don't think they're going to run a one receiver set or a zero receiver set.
43:25So it's going to be tedious, but you have to be willing to grind Dolphins training camp reports very hard.
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44:48We're back with Pat and we have one more team left in the AFC East and it's a Lulu to talk about.
44:55I guess the Jets have probably surpassed the Dolphins in the market's assumptions about, well, they've built an offensive line and they
45:02signed a veteran quarterback who I've seen actually be good before as opposed to Malik Willis.
45:07And they have the skill guys and I don't know.
45:11I tend to think that probably both Brees Hall and Garrett Wilson will go high enough that I'm scared.
45:17But I'll just say Garrett Wilson. I know what the camp is going to be like because I know every year what
45:24the Garrett Wilson camp is like when he's healthy, which is he looks incredible.
45:29You know why? Because he's incredible. But I can't believe that the market is going to once again just go, yep, sold.
45:36I'm in. Geno Smith. Key to unlocking him. I fear helium for Garrett Wilson's camp stock and, you know, therefore fantasy stock
45:43that I just don't think I'll believe in. I can't go back.
45:47I can never do this again. And I don't even know if I've ever been like truly in on Garrett Wilson, but I was never truly out.
45:56I had shares, quote unquote, sprinkled throughout the years.
45:59And I'd the bowl like when the upside case is that you don't understand.
46:03I know everything was terrible last year, but now Geno Smith and Frank Reich are going to fix it.
46:09Like just can't. There's there's only so much time in the world.
46:13You got to let someone else deal with this.
46:16Like I'm not out here grand and grinding large field tournaments.
46:20I'm managing like eight to nine redraft teams. I have the luxury of just ignoring guys.
46:25I'm going to ignore Garrett Wilson because I there's I cannot do it.
46:29Is he even is he even good, by the way?
46:33Like, is he truly? I think he is. I think he is.
46:37I think he runs a really good route. I think his ball skills are fine.
46:42And I think he's like a body control guy.
46:44Really good. If he was. He is a body control guy.
46:48Precise route runner, too. You're absolutely right. Yeah. Yeah.
46:51But like he's had hands problems. No question. I do think he's he's led a tragic NFL existence by being drafted by the New York Jets.
46:59And that's a big problem. But like. For one minute, do I what I saw out of Geno Smith?
47:06Like if you're if people are romanticizing the year and a half Geno Smith was good in Seattle.
47:12Like, bless his heart. It's great. He had moments.
47:15There's no question. But, you know, a lot of guys have had moments and he hasn't shown anything like that in years.
47:22That is the perfect summation of Geno Smith. A lot of guys have had moments like you can't hold on to a moment forever.
47:30You know, the sun always does set on the day.
47:33And this what Geno? I mean, it wasn't the worst quarterback season I've ever seen, I guess.
47:38But it was in the running when I saw from Geno Smith, the Raiders.
47:43Worst quarterback season ever from an established player, I guess I should say, like a guy who's been starting for a while.
47:50And I know it was by no means all his fault.
47:54The alibis abounded in Las Vegas. But just a truly, truly horrific quarterback performance that I saw from Geno Smith last year.
48:01And it'd be one thing if he landed with some kind of Kyle Shanahan up coaching staff.
48:07Frank Reich is not that. Aaron Glenn is not that in New York City.
48:11And I just don't see how these people are conspiring to save Geno Smith.
48:16And I don't see how Geno Smith is conspiring to save Garrett Wilson.
48:20Yeah. And, you know, I started talking about the bottom half of this division, you know, the presumed bottom half of this
48:27division by saying I'm looking for value. I want to pay attention to the teams that people consider hopeless.
48:33I want to find because the moment they're not hopeless, you found a fantasy starter in the seventh round or the eighth round or whatever.
48:42The problem is that Garrett Wilson's going to still go.
48:45I'm told in the top 20 receivers for fantasy, there's no value there at all.
48:50Like, I don't understand how that. I feel like, you know, you talked earlier in the show about finding edges being harder and harder.
48:58Totally agree. This is an edge that I feel like you can just sort of pencil in, like, ignore everything it's said
49:05about Garrett Wilson and don't draft him. And you've obtained an edge.
49:09Ignore everything it's said about Garrett Wilson. But now this part is really critical.
49:13Pay attention to everything that is said about Adonai Mitchell.
49:17This time it counts. And you mentioned some hand problems for Garrett Wilson.
49:2180 knows a little bit about that. But kidding aside, I think he's, like, going in the wide receiver six to seven range.
49:28I'm a little interested in Adonai Mitchell as a free flyer.
49:32That's all I'll say. Yeah, exactly. That's a good way to pivot it, which is to say we want to find guys
49:39that we can have in week one and week two on our team and then immediately jettison for waivers.
49:45It's fine. It's fine to take shots like that.
49:48Adonai Mitchell isn't going to get any training camp hype.
49:52I can't imagine a world where people talk about Adonai.
49:55Trust me, he actually will. Well, it's New York.
49:58It's a good point. It's New York and it's fantasy people.
50:01We've had our brains ruined by big plays. He'll do, like, two cool things.
50:06And then there will be reports, unfortunately. Well, then let me ask it.
50:10Like, I can't see a world where those – because that's going to happen across the league for 23 other receivers.
50:17Like, I can't imagine that gets A.D. Mitchell drafted at wide receiver 40 even.
50:22Like, there's no – he's going to be free.
50:25No, and Adonai Mitchell is a guy where we've seen enough reports.
50:29Now we have to actually see it on the field.
50:32Fair. Yeah, the point being, though, that free – there's going to be a million options for free receivers.
50:38I don't imagine anything that can come out of Jets camp is going to cause me to go, man, you need to elevate A.D.
50:46Mitchell above all the other potential free receivers at the end.
50:49But if I wound up in a position where in a deeper league I took him as my seventh guy, the last
50:57guy on my bench or whatever, and just saw for a couple of weeks, that's perfectly fine.
51:02That's way more likely to happen for me than taking Garrett Wilson in the freaking third round or whatever.
51:08Everything you just said, there's nothing I could add to it that would make it a more perfect take.
51:15Completely agree across the board there. And then this kind of – I mean, you know, around here we really like Brees Hall.
51:22We really don't like the fact that he winds up signing a – Like, why are you doing this to yourself, man?
51:29I know. What are you doing, man? Like, especially after two years of, like, brick by brick every week, like, all right, do another cryptic social media post.
51:39Now do another one. Now get on another platform and do one there.
51:43Like, he had laid the foundation to break out of this jail, and then he just didn't do it.
51:49And I guess I don't – you know, there's not training camp news.
51:53Well, I'll tell you what the training camp news is going to be because it happened last year.
51:59Aaron Glenn saying, hey, you all want to talk about Brees Hall.
52:03We got three guys here. This is a three-headed monster.
52:06And then, of course, week one they come out and Brees Hall plays, like, all but four snaps or whatever.
52:13Braylon Allen does wind up getting hurt, so we never got to see the full flower of the plan or whatever.
52:20But, like, I kind of don't think, no matter how many times Aaron Glenn says that in August, that anyone's – I
52:27feel like last year people were going, oh, then I'm going to lower Brees Hall.
52:32But I feel like fool me once. You know, I just don't think anyone's going to hear that out of Aaron Glenn
52:39and go, okay, I better take – I'm really worried about Braylon Allen.
52:43I got to take Brees – wherever I have Brees Hall, he needs to go five spots lower now.
52:50Like, I don't imagine that's not going to happen.
52:52Last year, even if you're skeptical, you did have to pay attention because it was a new coach coming in, trying to set the tone.
53:01A coach, too, he was a defensive coach, but coming from an organization in the Lions that had a lot of success with the two-back approach.
53:09So you did have to pay attention last year.
53:12Then it didn't manifest for whatever reason. Braylon Allen injury may be chief amongst them, I guess, although he wasn't doing anything before he got hurt.
53:21But it's on you if you fall for it this year because he's already saying it again.
53:26He did say it like a month or two ago.
53:29We got – and after that contract extension, though, you can just ignore anything he says about it because if Brees Hall
53:37is not playing 70% to 75% of the snaps, it would be one of the biggest upsets of the fantasy season.
53:43Like, they spoke with their wallet. It's not a three-headed monster.
53:47It's the Brees Hall backfield, and I just don't think you have to worry about it.
53:52I agree. And I would like to – I would like to – you know, who knows what his ADP winds up
54:00doing in August on various platforms because even though he's stable, many, many of the running backs around him in that RB2
54:07area are very much not stable, and there'll be news all about whoever you want to throw it.
54:13Jeremiah Love. Oh, my God. Kyron Williams is now, you know, tying his shoes on the sideline, and Blake Horm is taking snaps.
54:20And Alvin Kamara's – He's sitting there getting reps at linebacker.
54:24Right. Alvin Kamara's getting, you know, is – we talked about earlier in the show, like, getting, you know, now that scares me.
54:31Also, Travis Etienne. Like, I would love to have Brees Hall fall to a point where he is being punished for the
54:38Jetsiness, and I can get him at what I consider to be value.
54:43Again, because I think people prejudge offenses too much beforehand.
54:46As hopeless things seem beforehand, they just wind up not being too often for me to ignore it.
54:52I feel like – just like with HN, I kind of want to be on the buy side of Hall, but it's
54:59all going to come down to what the market does with him.
55:03I do. I want to be on the buy side of Hall, too, which is scary because I've always been a Brees Hall fader.
55:11And not necessarily because I didn't believe in the talent.
55:14And just because there was just always – he's always swimming against the tide, like swimming against the current.
55:20And this year is the first time where even though it's maybe the worst overall – probably not the worst overall offense environment he's been a part of.
55:29It's not a good one. I feel like he has just fewer questions than he's had the past two or three years.
55:37Yeah, because he's not getting traded. Yeah, because he's not getting – he's finally – He's not going to hold out.
55:44He's the guy, finally. I don't know how it took this long, but they finally decided – like there's no more weird
55:51bickering back and forth between Brees Hall and the Jets.
55:54He is the New York Jets running back. Yeah, and I think a lot of people will say, I don't care.
56:01I don't want the New York Jets running back.
56:04And my message is always, you don't know what these offenses are going to be.
56:09You know, like I – sure, am I making a bet that the Jets are going to be a top five offense?
56:16No. Would I have made the bet that Daniel Jones would lead a top five offense for three quarters of a season last year?
56:24I very much would not have. I have an almanac from last year in which I did nothing but poke fun at
56:31Daniel Jones and say in every Colts profile that what a wreck this is.
56:36It's either Anthony Richardson or Daniel Jones. And then suddenly, this is just how the NFL works.
56:41We get surprised all the time. Good players are good to draft.
56:45But, of course, we also don't want to overextend ourselves because they could be bad too.
56:50Like the point isn't that everybody could be good.
56:53The point is that some could wind up stinking when we don't expect it.
56:58But, yeah, again, like camp news-wise, the Hall news probably is the least important thing you could possibly imagine.
57:04But the news of Josh Jacobs and Jeremiah Love and Chase Brown and all the guys ranked around him.
57:10And even Javante Williams, Travis Atran, they're all in that same box.
57:14It's all going to matter. And then what that does to Brie Saul will probably change whether or not we want to draft him.
57:22Well, Pat, thank you so much for indulging the fascist email.
57:26Once again, you've survived. I hope you had fun.
57:29I did. I hope you survived having to wait on me and my children.
57:33Your children are great. There's a lot of them.
57:36There's seven or eight. I'm very excited for all of them.
57:40You can find Pat on social media. He's all over the place posting as RotoPat.
57:45Look up his stuff. What do you have coming?
57:48I don't think you're writing like this coming week.
57:50But are you going to do kind of the same topics of like overarching written columns that you have typically done in the past?
57:58We're finishing up our off-season team preview series. I do have one coming up on Monday.
58:04And I forget what it is. I forget which team it is.
58:07I haven't written it yet because we've been finishing up our draft guide profiles.
58:12We're doing a free online draft guide this year.
58:15Details to come. Don't read it. I believe next week you don't read it.
58:20Yeah, don't read it. Because it's because you want people to buy the Almanac, obviously.
58:25But no, you can read both. We probably have a lot of overlap in our customer base that are getting both, I think.
58:32But that's coming later this month. I'm finishing up the running backs today.
58:36We're doing it a little later than a lot of places do.
58:40Because we're not doing a print magazine this year.
58:43But a free online guide. That's coming soon. Our team preview series on the site is almost finished.
58:49I am doing the Miami Dolphins. No, I already did the Miami Dolphins.
58:53I'm doing the New York Jets. Oh, my God.
58:56I just prepared for the column during this show.
58:59I just pre-wrote it. So New York Jets coming on Monday.
59:03Check it out on rotoworld.com. Excellent. Well, I appreciate you doing it.
59:07Thank you. Of course, we'll be back on in August.
59:10And we'll talk to you then. Thank you, Chris.
59:13Always my pleasure. And thank you so much for listening.
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60:36Coming up next week, we're doing three per week.
60:39Two on the main show. Andy Behrens and I will be aboard the Yacht Club on Monday.
60:44And then Tuesday and Friday, more divisions, more previews.
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