0:00It's the Harris Football Podcast with your host, Christopher Harris.
0:03Hey everybody, welcome in. My name is Chris. This show practices pure hydration.
0:08Hello there everybody. Thank you so much for being here today.
0:11If you are a Yacht Club subscriber, you got to hear a fairly discursive conversation on Wednesday's Yacht Club show where we
0:19talked about a lot of Week 2 Ranks and a lot of observations about what we saw in Week 1 and what
0:26these environments might be as opposed to whatever everybody was thoroughly convinced they were before the season started.
0:32And now we are back here on the free side today and we'll definitely talk some of that later in the show for sure.
0:40I wanted to start by thanking Rainn Wilson who had me on his Instagram Live on Tuesday with like 3.7 million followers.
0:48That was kind of nice. And I know that some of you have watched that reel which lives on both on his Instagram page and on mine.
0:57You can see it if you haven't seen it yet.
1:00It's fun. It's like 20 minutes of us talking.
1:03I'll put a link in the show notes today in case you haven't seen it.
1:08Honestly, the best thing you could do, go on over there right now and just mention in the thread of comments that I got the book.
1:17I'm reading the book. I finished the book. It's really great because Rainn has a huge audience.
1:23So like if those folks see that people like Pound Foolish, that would be awesome.
1:28I really do appreciate that. In fact, I appreciate it so much.
1:32Time for your snarky email. Oh, this is for Harris.
1:35Mmm, that sounds so good. It's like an angel singing.
1:39It really is exactly like angel singing. We need to catch up on the mailbag.
1:44It's been a little while. Remember, you can send your snark to heyharris at harrishopal.com.
1:49As always, please let me know where you're writing from or don't.
1:53That's okay, too. These are serious catch-up emails. Some of these are from early August.
1:58You know how it goes. I will catch up here as best I can.
2:03Ray Sroka from Buffalo. Hey, Harris. I've been so good for the past few years.
2:08But after your opening to a recent show, I decided to break the rule and see exactly what I was missing by
2:15not sampling August fantasy content in 2026. So I jump over to a certain four-letter network site, and the first article I
2:23see is, Fantasy Football Insurance Rankings, Which Backups Are Must Drafts?
2:26Against your recommendation. And my better judgment. No click discipline here.
2:30I click. Sigh. Instant regret. The author proceeds to give one example of a backup who popped last year, then lists 16 handcuff running backs.
2:39Yes, he literally, literally listed half of the backup RBs in the league in an article hailing them as must drafts.
2:46To the author, I slay. Thank you, sir, for that is highly actionable information.
2:50Hashtag never again. Hashtag click discipline forever. Nate from Jersey Shore.
2:54Hey, Harris. Look, I know I just bought the almanac and you said you're going to bribe us to buy the new book.
3:02But now you started a survey company too? And Nate includes a screen cap of the Harris Poll offering a $5 gift card for taking your survey.
3:11Nate says, The timing of this cannot be ignored.
3:14$5 practically pays for a quarter of the book.
3:17That's a fair point. Chris Derrick from Parts Unknown.
3:20Hey, Harris. You're always imploring us to let you know where we're writing from.
3:25And yet many correspondents fail to include a location.
3:28The reason is simple. Saying Chris from Parts Unknown is just way, way cooler than Chris from Redacted.
3:34Okay, Chris from Redacted. Also kind of cool, but you get my point.
3:38If you want more geographical information, you really need to think about which behaviors you're rewarding.
3:44I know you're against late-stage capitalism, but it's okay.
3:47Incentives are early-stage capitalism, so it's totally kosher. Signed, Chris from Redacted.
3:51P.S. I wrote to you two years ago the small joy I found singing one of the mixtapes to myself at a
3:58particularly tough time when my son was in the NICU.
4:02I wanted to thank you for reading that email on the show and for the many moments of joy you've brought over the years.
4:10My son is doing great, and I can't wait to start watching football with him in earnest.
4:15I promise not to let him read training camp reports.
4:19I just wanted to end the P.S. there. That's awesome.
4:22Jim from Narragansett. Hey, Barons. Hey, Barons. Hearing that you won't be completing the Taco Bell challenge.
4:28I hope the outbreak of cyclospora did not get in the way of your training for the marathon.
4:34Keep fighting the good fight. Cole Helms, South Texas.
4:37Hey, Harris. Sorry to burst your gastric bubble, but I need to speak up about a topic that's been in the media
4:44recently, I think by which Cole means on my show.
4:48Stress farts. They are not real. Numerous bodily functions are subconsciously controlled by the autonomic nervous system.
4:54The ANS is made up of two systems, sympathetic and parasympathetic.
4:57When one is active, the other is not. Sympathetic equals fight or flight.
5:02Stress response. Parasympathetic, rest and digest. No stress. Gastrointestinal tract is active.
5:06Farts. Like Highlander, there can be only one. Love the show.
5:09Cole in South Texas. Great doctor. Blind spot for dips.
5:13That's the lore, baby. I just love it. I mean, I'll take the information about stress farts, but the idea that a
5:20wonderful doctor in South Texas remembers Josh saying, Dr.
5:23Mike. Blind spot for dips. Blair Harmon in Minnesota.
5:26Hey, Harris. Just wanted to share an incredible picture I took of my toddler girly with Jameis Winston.
5:32And it is the most delightful picture of a toddler girly in front of a Boost Mobile that has a two-story, wacky, waving, inflatable, arm-flowing tube man.
5:41And the toddler girly is absolutely delighted in this photo, and it tickles me.
5:46Brian Craker from Brooklyn. Hey, Harris. Now that my lad McConkie is almost two, your almanac gave us a new bonding moment.
5:54Yesterday morning, I was laying on my Lisa mattress.
5:57When I opened up the Harris Football Almanac for the first time this year.
6:01But with a toddler, I rarely have a moment to myself.
6:05And sure enough, my boy burst into the room with the energy of a surf movie villain demanding I include him in my reading.
6:13So I indulged him and read to him almanac entries until he fell asleep on my chest to the words of a
6:21fictional captain waxing poetic about Drake May. This show is so stupid.
6:25Brandon DePello from Parts Unknown. Hey, Harris. Long-time listener, first-time emailer, my son, who colloquially refers to you as the funny guy,
6:32has been on an absolute tear recently. His favorite lunch is ham and mayo.
6:37No cheese, no seasoning. He wants it every day.
6:40Now, I have never seen a single minute of Dolphins rookie receiver Kevin Coleman play football, but I hereby nominate ham mayo to be his nickname.
6:49Ah, this show is so stupid. Scott Dolan, Wichita, Kansas.
6:52Hey, Harris. I propose Bucky Irving's nickname be changed to foot shoulder soldier.
6:56Knowing how difficult that will be for you to say based on the word cumulative, maybe foot shoulder will always sound like foot soldier.
7:04Sure. Thanks. I will hang up and listen. I love how stupid the show is.
7:09Matt Heller from San Francisco. Hey, Harris. I have time to write you on this Wednesday because I have no podcast to
7:17listen to as I am one of the, I assume many, of your freeloader listeners who doesn't pay for your special Wednesday
7:24show or buy any products you sell or advertise.
7:27This is great, Matt. Thanks. Thanks for copying to the being.
7:31Okay. The email continues. And it occurred to me, what do we call your listeners who completely freeload off you?
7:38Listeners who don't read books or draft guides, sleep on the floor, drink only water, don't clean their houses and so have
7:45no use for blue land, prefer store-bought hot dog buns to actual fresh baked bread, et cetera.
7:51Do we call them stowaway possums, dingy possums, puddle possums?
7:54All of these have some charm. But I think the actual answer is dock raccoons.
7:59Not allowed on the yacht. We still watch its movements from the dock intently.
8:04We scavenge through the yacht's free refuse whilst the true possums bask on the deck, reading their pre-ordered copies of Bound Foolish
8:12and the draft guide while eating their fresh bread and discussing the corporate structure of Cumulative Press Incorporated, we wait knowing that
8:19while every Wednesday will be barren, there will be enough leftovers from the Thursday podcast feast for all the dock raccoons to eat their fill.
8:27Mike Harvey from Parts Unknown. Hey Harris, I felt I had to write in to express my dismay at how football people
8:35have found yet another totally unnecessary combination of words to express something pretty obvious.
8:40Contingent upside. Check me on this one. Contingent upside refers to the fact that if the primary option gets hurt, hurt the other guy would have more value.
8:49With this revelatory phrase in mind, I got to thinking about other things that have contingent upside.
8:55Like my bicycle, for example. If my car doesn't run, my bike has massive contingent upside.
9:00If my favorite Viore joggers are dirty, these Kirkland brand sweats, huge contingent upside.
9:05The ice cream shop is out of strawberry. Oh, the vanilla has contingent upside.
9:10See how smart I am? This show is so stupid.
9:13Josh Soares, Cranston, Rhode Island. Hey Harris, in the bribery drawings for Pound Foolish, is it possible to give away the ability
9:20to draft for Andy Behrens in the movie draft as a bribery prize?
9:25The thing is, I hear you, Josh. But if you've been listening on Wednesday, it turns out Andy is going to crush
9:32me, I think, for this two-month period. It only took a year for him to come back.
9:38There are others that I need to catch up with.
9:41And please do send more. They're great. Man, I busted a gut reading these.
9:46Hey Harris at harrishwoball.com. We'll wrap up today with this one.
9:50Jordan Santos from Parts Unknown. Hey Harris, I just wanted to let you know, I happened across a fantasy podcast entitled, Plant
9:57My Flag, Fantasy Stars We're All In On, and couldn't help but chuckle thinking, I wonder if Harris got his royalty check.
10:05It may have been the title of a podcast by a former employer of yours.
10:10Smiley face. Buddy. Knowing the way that particular network does business, yes, I am sure that royalty check is coming my way anytime now.
10:18Today's kickoff. Okay, on today's show, first up, we will discuss some week two ranks.
10:23And to help me with that, Dave Kluge from Football Guys will join.
10:27Dave has brought his five hardest-to-rank players of week two, and we will discuss them.
10:32He and I will also preview a very attractive Thursday night game, Lions at Bills.
10:37And then my second guest, he is back from his vacation.
10:41It is Jake Trowbridge, and we will talk about our fun DraftKings DFS contest that we've been doing on the show for 11 years now.
10:49I think you'll have fun. I thank you again so much for listening today.
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12:10Welcome to... He's got two sets of ranks to win the contest.
12:14He's got two sets of ranks to win. And here he is.
12:19Our first guest is, in fact, the aforementioned Dave Kluge.
12:22You can find him at Football Guys. You can find him all over social media.
12:27You can listen to him every day on his show, The Football Guys Fantasy Football Show.
12:32It's a good one. I've been on it. He's terrific.
12:36It's Dave Kluge. Hi, Dave. Hey, Chris. How are you doing?
12:39We were just talking a pre-show about how fun this time of year is having real football to finally watch after a long, long break.
12:48Yeah, long speculation about what the teams would be.
12:51And Andy and I talked about it a lot on the Yacht Club show yesterday.
12:56This really is my absolute favorite week. This week of shows is so fun.
13:01And, of course, we recognize that there are going to be a lot of things that fake us out.
13:07You know, the Gerard Mayo Patriots beat the Joe Burrow Bengals on the road in week one one year.
13:14And I was like, see? And then, no, I was wrong.
13:17So, like, we absolutely might get faked out. But it's still, I said to Andy yesterday, if you think about the delta
13:25of what a week teaches us from the beginning of the week to the end, there's no delta like week zero to
13:32week one for, you know, there's more information to come.
13:35We're going to learn lots more. But we'll never learn as much as we learned last week.
13:41Yeah, I think the main thing that I learned is that my mind palace was built on a foundation of wet sand.
13:49I mean, we all have them. We definitely have the mind palaces.
13:53We're just trying, you know, for me, I'm trying to make our assumptions mean as little as possible, but it's impossible to make them be zero.
14:01So, your task for this show was just as you were making your ranks for week two to come up with the
14:09five guys you had the hardest time ranking. And I don't even know who they are yet.
14:15And they may be repeats from yesterday. And I don't care because I want your opinion on them.
14:21So, let's just do a list of five. The order really doesn't matter.
14:25But who did you want to talk about first?
14:28I'm going to break the rules right off the jump and I'm going to do a two for one because I was
14:35looking at Chris Brooks and Marshawn Lloyd and, you know, the Packers running backs trying to figure out where to rank these guys.
14:43And I have no idea because they both, frankly, looked pretty bad to me.
14:48I mean, like, there wasn't anything that I could take away from either of their games saying, like, that should be the guy.
14:56That's the guy who's going to get the workload next week.
14:59So, what I see is a frustrating split backfield.
15:02I guess if I had to lean one way, I'd say that Brooks looked slightly better.
15:08You know, he stayed behind his blockers, came up just short of a touchdown.
15:13But, you know, I look at this matchup on the road against the Jets.
15:17The Jets defense looked a lot better in week one than I think a lot of people expected them to be.
15:24So, now I'm looking at a team going on the road against a tough defense, splitting touches between two running backs that I don't think are especially good.
15:34I kind of copped out and I put them both at RB40 and RB41 back-to-back, which means that you should probably bench
15:41them both if you're going off of my rankings.
15:44But I understand why people would say, no, like, these guys are getting enough work that I want to get them in my lineups.
15:52You absolutely have my endorsement here. I put Lloyd38 and Brooks41.
15:56All right. I don't know. I don't know. It would be tough for me to really feel awesome about extending myself to use them.
16:04It's funny. We had Sam Gold on Monday and he picked that game.
16:09So, Sam talked about what Lloyd looked like on tape and he gave a lot of kind of technical explanations of why
16:16it didn't look good about like his cutting angles were funny and he was kind of like, when he needed to cut, he was like facing the sidelines.
16:25So, he's having to make these 90-degree cuts, which you never want.
16:30All of which was awesome technical analysis. And my analysis was, dude, that guy looks slow.
16:35Yes. And went down on first contact every single time.
16:38Like, you know, I look at the analytics somehow show that he had two and a half yards after contact per time.
16:46I didn't see that. Like, I saw this guy every time a defender would touch him, he would just immediately hit the turf.
16:53It makes you wonder whether they will take a look at Caleb Johnson at some point.
16:59They can't have felt good about what that looked like.
17:02You know, to be honest, you putting Brooks a little bit ahead of Lloyd, excuse me, matches what I saw too.
17:09And like, if I were just going to like break down individual carries, I'd say I thought Brooks looked better.
17:16I mean, the first carry of the game was like 15 yards.
17:20It was the only thing either one of them did.
17:23And so, I kind of admire the fact that you went Brooks a little higher, but I'm with you.
17:30Like, very difficult to rank those guys. And then the weird thing too, I know we don't care what other people are
17:37doing, but you know, consensus rankings, which will not be named, have a huge disparity between these guys where they're putting Marshawn
17:45Lloyd as the RB30 and Chris Brooks as the RB49.
17:48So, I think a lot of people just look at the box score and they say, well, Marshawn Lloyd had more carries, so he is the preferred back.
17:58But so much of that came late in the game.
18:01I think this is one that like, if you just say, I want to bench both of these guys and just wait
18:08to see how this backfield plays out, I think that's probably the best move this week.
18:14Good point. Agree. What is the next player you want to talk about?
18:18Kalen Black, because I thought that he looked pretty darn good.
18:22You know, he is a hard-nosed runner, gets downhill aggressively, and those are all the things that we know Kyle Shanahan really likes about his running backs.
18:31And the workload was there in week one. 14 carries and a reception.
18:35But then we get that story about Christian McCaffrey dealing with cramps.
18:39So, do we think Christian McCaffrey just goes back to his normal workhorse role and Kalen Black is just watching from the sidelines?
18:47I think in most situations, I'd say, you know, just bench Kalen Black and wait to see how this shakes out.
18:54But then I see that matchup against Miami. And I can't help but get enticed that maybe there could be enough left
19:02over for Kalen Black to still get a similar workload to what he got last week.
19:07And if you're telling me that a guy who I think is pretty talented, a young guy who runs with a really,
19:14really heavy running style, if you told me that he's going to get 15 touches every single week, I'd be getting this
19:22guy in my lineup, especially against Miami. But I don't know how much involvement we can expect now with a week of
19:29rest and hopefully Christian McCaffrey not cramping up mid-game.
19:32That's a good one. Where'd you line? I put him 40, so like right behind the Packer.
19:38Oh, actually, like right between the Packer guys. Were you able to get him higher?
19:43I do, yeah. So maybe I'm taking the cheese here.
19:47I've got him at RB33, which I guess would recommend him as an RB3 or a flex matchup if you're not feeling great about your running back room.
19:56I love the matchup. You know, going up against Miami, like that alone could be the reason that you start him.
20:03So I kind of feel scared recommending him as a start, though, because you know how this can go, that you can
20:10put him in your lineups coming off of last week.
20:14Christian McCaffrey gets all the touches. Kalen Black's sitting there with two, three touches, and you're saying, why did I start this guy?
20:22Yeah, that was my thought process, but I don't find that like 33 to 40 to be, you know, if you had
20:29said I have him 22, I'd be like, oh, that's a real statement.
20:33But, you know, you're comparing him to like an unseen Travion Henderson, you know, the backup, the Chris Rodriguez backup, the Broncos
20:41guys, like, and if you're comparing him to those guys and you just go, hell, he's coming off a really nice week
20:48where we got to see him play in the NFL and he absolutely looked like he had a home there.
20:55I don't get mad at that at all. I absolutely think that's like a smart way to rank it, to be honest.
21:02And a couple guys that, oh, sorry. No, you go ahead.
21:06A couple guys that I do have Kalen Black ranked ahead of that you probably wouldn't like think about starting him, like J.K.
21:14Dobbins did not like the role that I saw and he didn't look especially good last week.
21:20So I've got Kalen Black just ahead of J.K.
21:23Dobbins, Rico Dowdle, who I also thought looked pretty sluggish last week.
21:27So there are some guys that you probably drafted ahead of Kalen Black that because you drafted him ahead of, you'd assume that you'd be starting ahead of.
21:36But I mean, I have moved Kalen Black ahead of quite a few guys that I would have been drafting ahead of him just a week ago.
21:45Yeah, that's the neighborhood that I'm talking about. I'm not mad at any of that.
21:50You can get burned. The person who would consider using Black and they don't have McCaffrey understands that they're taking a chance.
21:58And if you get a two-week sample size of a workload that's split like that where, wow, you mean on the first
22:05couple series somebody other than Christian McCaffrey is carrying the ball?
22:09Huh. You know, now it's not just about cramping and muscle tightness or whatever McCaffrey's had all this time.
22:15It's actually just, it becomes clearly a plan to mitigate McCaffrey, to try to keep him healthy.
22:21The thing we've been asking for for years with the 49ers, please do this.
22:26If they're actually doing it, I think it's great for both of them.
22:30I think it's great for CMC because he's always going to score.
22:34He's always going to be good. He's a great player.
22:38Plus, you know, we rank Blake Corum as a usable player.
22:41We rank second running backs as usable players. And, you know, Kalen Black is not.
22:46Christian McCaffrey, he probably didn't show a huge change of direction.
22:50But I absolutely agree with your assessment that, like, a one cut, hit it, punish a tackler.
22:56Like, cool, that works. That's really good. And Blake Corum, I've got Blake Corum one spot ahead of Kalen Black, so that's kind of where I'm settling in.
23:05Like, these guys that are on good offenses that are good running backs that could see, you know, more work than I think people would have expected.
23:14Are the Rams a good offense? I don't know, man.
23:18They certainly weren't on a little sleep traveling to Australia, but we'll see how they bounce back.
23:23I'm not ready to write them off for one week.
23:27I tease, but I also panic because, you know, I made a lot of noise about Matthew Stafford.
23:33How about a third player you wanted to talk about?
23:36This one seems silly because it's Drake London and Drake London, undoubtedly awesome player, one of my favorite wide receivers.
23:43I know you're a fan as well, Chris, but man, I watched that game back last week and it was so, so bad.
23:51Cooper Rush is just terrible and like, I don't even think he's terrible.
23:55I think that he's a serviceable backup, but I think on the limited time that he's been in Atlanta, I don't know
24:03if he just doesn't know the playbook or what's going on, but I saw Drake London doing what Drake London does.
24:10Like he was just bullying Jamal Dean. He was getting wide open, but we just saw so many bad throws.
24:16You know, the first play of the game, Drake London is wide open and Cooper Rush just lollipops this ball to him
24:24like where it should have been like just a quick turnaround, catch the ball, pick up a first down.
24:30Instead, by the time the ball gets to Drake London, he's getting swarmed by seven defenders.
24:36We saw another one just batted at the line of scrimmage.
24:39We saw another one just missing him wide open from five yards out.
24:44I mean, there was one good play that we saw where it was the deep shot down the sideline that Drake London
24:51caught for a 27-yard gain or something like that, but outside of that, like I saw Drake London getting open the entire
24:59game and Cooper Rush just being incapable of getting the ball to him.
25:03So if Cooper Rush is starting again, now he's got this matchup where Drake London is going to be getting coverage from JC Horn.
25:11I think Drake London is one of those guys that you just view as a plug-and-play wide receiver one, but I think
25:19this week he falls into, to steal your terminology, the wide receiver three and infinite sadness bucket.
25:24Somebody we talked about yesterday and Barron's has him lower than I do too.
25:29I lowered him, I lowered London but I lowered him to like 15.
25:33That's exactly where I have him, Chris. Oh, okay.
25:36Oh, okay. Then, because Barron's put him down at like, I can't remember, 27 or something.
25:42Like he like really tried to communicate like I'm terrified and who wouldn't understand it.
25:47So, and by the way, like I wanted to just, because you prefaced by saying maybe this is wrong because we're probably starting this guy.
25:55I mean, I, your task is the hardest to rank players and I absolutely sat there with Drake London's name on my
26:03list going, huh, what the hell do I do?
26:06After, after what that looked like, what the hell do I do with Drake London?
26:11I'm with you that I, I, I, you know, probably the way to say it is I didn't punish him as much as the tape warranted.
26:20It probably warranted a heavier punishment and I, I couldn't do it.
26:24I couldn't take my second round pick and be like, sorry, you know, I just, I'm not going to use you in
26:31week two, but God, I understand why you're talking about him.
26:35And that's it. You know, you talk about how like tight everybody is once you get past that kind of like elite tier of wide receivers.
26:44So when I'm looking at my rankings right now, I've got Drake London at wide receiver 15.
26:49I've got Stefan Diggs at wide receiver 33. But if I'm setting lineups, that's something that like, I am going to be
26:57wondering, like, do I play Stefan Diggs over Drake London?
27:00Because it's just like that whole glob of guys from 15 to 30, whatever.
27:05Like we really are splitting hairs there. And that's, that's I think the difference for me is Drake London was always ahead
27:12of that tier and now it feels like he just falls into that bucket.
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28:26What's another player you wanted to mention here as a difficult to rank guy?
28:31Rashad Bateman. This feels like a guy that you shouldn't even think about starting.
28:36But then you look, say Flowers is hurt, Jacoby Lane is hurt.
28:40You look at the other guys on that roster, Devontez Walker, LeJonte Wester, Chris Moore, like there's nobody else there.
28:46And last week, Rashad Bateman led the team in routes runs.
28:50So he's very much so a full-time player in this offense.
28:54But it was just running cardio routes. You know, 40 routes in one target is not what you want to see from anybody.
29:02So this feels like the trappiest of all traps because now going into New Orleans, we expect this game to be a shootout.
29:09Vegas also expects this game to be a shootout.
29:12So I've kind of got him in that cluster of wide receiver three flex plays at wide receiver 42.
29:19But at the same time, how could you feel good starting anybody coming off of a one target zero point game?
29:26Not only that, but he's Rashad Bateman. We just have such a long history of this dude who he has his boosters.
29:33He has boosters whose opinion I cherish. Matt Harmon just thinks Rashad Bateman is a very good player who's just somehow never, circumstances have always conspired.
29:42You know, there's a game where he's going to be featured but the quarterback isn't right.
29:47Or the injury, the lengthy injury history. Right. That's right.
29:51That's right. Like, I can't, I don't want to just completely disavow the idea that he's a good player and we just haven't gotten to see it yet.
30:00But we've been through it so many times that I put him at 48.
30:05But again, yes, I had, like if Zay Flowers is going to be active and play, I have a Zay Flower just
30:12out of my lineup right now, out of my ranks right now.
30:16But like, that could be wrong. I don't, I have no idea if that's right.
30:21We're going to find out over the course of the next couple days.
30:26This is as high as I could get him.
30:29I put him one spot behind Caleb Douglas and I was like, what am I doing?
30:34You know, this seems crazy, but I just have been burned so many times.
30:39He's a dude I just can't see myself taking a chance on.
30:43It feels dumb though. Yeah. And I've got him in my rankings right now.
30:48I'm also not ranking Zay Flowers. It sounds like he's probably going to miss week two, unfortunately.
30:54But it's kind of funny when I look at my rankings, I've got Jordan Addison and Rashad Bateman back to back two
31:01first round picks that have their supporters that like we think can still be kind of good, but just has never really translated to consistent production.
31:10So this is one of those where like it feels like he should be a start this week.
31:16And if you've got Rashad Bateman, you want to try to get him in your lineup if Zay Flowers isn't out there.
31:23But like I said, how could you feel good starting a guy coming off of a zero point game when we got
31:31so much positivity throughout training camp that, you know, Declan Doyle had him running more routes and that he was going to
31:38be a more featured part of this offense and none of that materialized in week one.
31:43Because he's Rashad Bateman, you know, because like it's just we I never believe this stuff on Bateman anymore.
31:50So it's funny. I have Rashad Bateman and Mac Hollins back to back.
31:54Oh, boy. I mean, you know, like I've just been around the block too many times with both of those players where
32:02teams were like, well, now we need this guy.
32:05Now it really, you know, now it's for real for them.
32:08And then the minute it's for real, you go, okay, cool.
32:12They can't get open. Cool. That's awesome. So, yeah, I need Matt Collins like I need a hole in the head.
32:19And of course, you know, he's so good at the end of games, Matt Collins.
32:24He's so good. And you just wonder why. And the answer is, oh, yeah, because the defense is paying attention to three
32:32other guys and not covering him, you know, because he's not scary man to man.
32:37But maybe that's wrong. Maybe we'll get a funny Matt Collins surprise.
32:41Maybe we'll get a funny Rashad Bateman surprise. Who is the fifth name of a pretty good segue for Romeo Dobbs, a
32:48guy that I'm really struggling to rank because he looked horrendous in week one.
32:53And I think that we have a big enough sample of him looking like a, you know, decent NFL player in Green
33:00Bay that we don't want to completely overreact to week one.
33:04But, you know, that first interception Drake May threw, I think that was just terrible ball tracking by Romeo Dobbs.
33:11I mean, not a great throw by Drake May, but like that was very much so on Dobbs.
33:17And then we see the drop on the wide open third down catch and run opportunity.
33:22So this is one where like if I'm looking just at last week's tape, I'd say this guy is like outside of the top 100.
33:31He looks awful. But then you look at, you know, the money that they're paying him and the opportunity that should be there in week two.
33:40And there's also a difference and you know this, Chris, like when a player leaves a game mid-injury, you know, coaches are
33:47kind of scrambling to make something work. When they have an entire week to kind of game plan without that player, then
33:54they can reset and try to make Dobbs a more focal point of the offense, which I expect them to be.
34:01But I also have this like lingering thought in the back of my head that what if Matt Collins and Navarro Douglas are just better wide receivers?
34:11What if Hunter Henry ends up getting extra work and Romeo Dobbs, the guy who feels like he should be the wide
34:18receiver one this week, ends up just kind of being a frustrating guy that doesn't do much again in this matchup.
34:25That was a difficult one to rank. I agree with this.
34:29I agree with this whole list to be honest.
34:32Each person that you mentioned that I ranked, I was like, oh, I don't know.
34:37I don't know what to do. The guys are going to like that.
34:41You and I disagree a lot when we do shows together, so it's good to have us just like nodding along like just a bobblehead show.
34:50Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Where did you wind up with Dobbs?
34:54One spot ahead of Bateman. I've got him at a wide receiver 40.
34:59So I'm sorry, two spots ahead of Bateman. So they're both just kind of in that close.
35:05Like, you know, I kind of said like when I'm looking at my rankings, I think the kind of cutoff for guys
35:12that you feel okay about getting in your lineup for me is wide receiver 35.
35:17And that's where I've got Diggs and Michael Wilson and Debo Samuel.
35:21Once you get past those guys, then it's Romeo Dobbs, Michael Pittman, Jordan Addison, Rashad Bateman that we just talked about.
35:28So like, those are the guys where I feel like you don't want to get in your lineup.
35:34So I have Dobbs higher than you do. So there's a disagree, even though like the point of the difficulty of the ranking them is absolutely agree.
35:43I just came up with a little more trust in what I've seen from Dobbs in his career.
35:49And that there's, I would be not shocked but a little bit surprised if he's an utter bust as a free agent.
35:57He's just been a good player. Is he a wide receiver 1?
36:01Probably not. Like, this is a little miscast. I have him 31.
36:05So I just basically kind of, it's obviously not based on last week.
36:09It is a leap of faith. And it's, you're absolutely right.
36:13These targets could be spread out to the point where nobody's valuable.
36:17And it's, and it's this good Steeler pass rush.
36:20And it's a run-heavy game plan. And it's like a rock fight that they try to win 17-14 because they're not afraid of the Steeler offense.
36:29Maybe. I don't know. They lost to him at home last year.
36:33I don't know. But I'm making, I'm going to recommend people make a small bet that this guy who, I mean, he had hands problems in Green Bay.
36:42Obviously, he had hands problems on Wednesday night or whatever that was.
36:46He got hurt in Green Bay, got a lot of concussions.
36:50That's on the table too. But, you know, frankly, he was a flake in Green Bay.
36:56He had that week where he just disappeared. MIA got punished.
36:59You know, there have been issues with him in the past.
37:03But mostly, he's been a really good pro. And I'm just letting that sensation inch him a little higher in the ranks and burn me like hell.
37:12Yeah. My brain, go ahead. And I'd love to do like a study on this.
37:17I just don't have time in season. But it does feel like so often these guys that end up like hitting the
37:25free agent market and getting these big contracts, it feels like that hasn't really worked out all that well over the last couple of years.
37:33Like the guys who get traded, they do well with their new teams.
37:37And the guys who get retained by their teams with big contracts, they do well.
37:42But it seems like all of these guys who hit the market, they hit the market for a reason.
37:49Like if Green Bay thought that he was good enough to get the money that he deserved, they would have retained him.
37:56So, you know, I don't want to paint with too wide of a brush here and generalize, but it seems like more
38:04often than not over the last decade or so these big contracts that these receivers get in free agency.
38:10I'm looking at you, Jalen Naylor. I saw you last week too in Las Vegas.
38:15Like these guys aren't really living up to the hype that they should have been.
38:20Yeah. I mean, Diggs did okay for the Patriots last year.
38:24You know, it's anecdotal. I'm glad you qualified it for receivers because the running backs have obviously Right.
38:30100%. They've been awesome. Yeah. The receivers, well, that's something to think about.
38:34Let's do this. Thursday night preview. A Thursday night preview of the Lions visiting the Bills and these are rosters that are
38:42stocked with people that we're mostly going to use.
38:45Fantasy superstars, both backfields. Josh Allen, I think, I mean, based on Andy's conversation with Andy yesterday, he's kind of all the
38:52way back in on Jared Goff as a top 10 option and DJ Moore, I think, is going to be in most
39:00lineups and both of the Lion receivers and Sam Laporta.
39:03I kind of wanted to ask you because I was talking some smack about Dalton Kincaid and I did not like his ADP.
39:11I'm saying before the season. Oh, right. I was talking some smack because his ADP was still kind of like bordering on
39:18that top 10 and we'd never really seen a world where the other DK on that team, Dawson Knox, wasn't annoying and
39:26boy, we get week one and all I can say is holy moly.
39:30Like the catch that set up the winning score, good play, good scheme, got him open, beat a corner, that was good.
39:37The play right before half, oh my God. If I'd seen that from Dalton Kincaid, I would not have been talking smack about him.
39:46I fully gave in on Kincaid. He's inside my top five for this week.
39:50Oh yeah, same. I moved him up. Even in my rest of season rankings, he was a big mover for me because
39:58you know the best thing about his game, Chris, you know, more than the catches and the catch and runs and all that sort of stuff.
40:06He started the week not on the injury report.
40:10Like this never happens. Like every time Dalton Kincaid is a big game, he seemingly ends up on the injury report the next week.
40:18So I'm a believer in Dalton Kincaid and just the fact that he's healthy right now.
40:23I think you got to get him in your lineups until he inevitably picks up some soft tissue injury as he does every single year.
40:31But yeah, he looked awesome. Second on the team in routes, second on the team in targets.
40:37I mean, this is what you want from the fantasy tight end is a guy who's kind of operating as the team's
40:45wide receiver too and that's very much so what Kincaid is doing right now.
40:49Yeah, these are my two and three tight ends for the week.
40:53So let's get some tight end action from this one.
40:57And correspondingly, probably that means if you're a person who streams defenses, I imagine we're staying pretty far away from even though,
41:04you know, the Lions, I don't know. I'll say the, you know, the weird game flow of that Lions Saints game was
41:12maybe revelatory that at some point the Saints were able to come back and whatever.
41:17But it did feel like the Lions played a lot better on defense than I expected given how many people they're missing in their secondary.
41:25But against Josh Allen, you don't want any part of that.
41:29And I think that's what I'm probably most excited to watch tonight.
41:33I mean, we saw like DJ Moore had tough sledding last week with Stingley on him and the Lions don't have anybody of that caliber.
41:41So we saw DJ Moore, you know, five for eight with a hundred and a touchdown last week.
41:47I think he could have an even bigger week.
41:50I don't know where you've got him in your rankings.
41:54Like you said, kind of a must start, but I've got him at wide receiver 10 this week.
42:00I think he's just one of those guys that like we should be looking at as an elite wide receiver one in this offense.
42:0810. I got him 10. Yeah. Wow. Too much agreement, Chris.
42:12We got to start looking at some different things and button heads again because this is going to be a boring show
42:19for the people that want some disagreements. No, not at all.
42:23Romeo Dobbs. There you go. I'm putting Romeo Dobbs in a lineup and you're not.
42:28No, but I mean, I think to some degree that the topic, this is a change format.
42:34We changed last year when we invented the Yacht Club.
42:37The Thursdays changed and the guest comes on and there's not a wrong answer.
42:42I can't tell you, Dave, no, you had an easy time ranking that guy.
42:46No, you're telling me that you had our, but usually if it's difficult to rank guy, everybody feels it.
42:53Every so often you go, oh, funny. I didn't have a hard time, but with those five guys today, I did.
43:00Of course, we will review the Detroit Buffalo game on the show off the top tomorrow and that'll be pretty cool.
43:07Dave, so much thanks to you for coming on and making time on a busy Thursday morning.
43:13You can find Dave on social media, of course, all over the place.
43:17It's K-L-U-G-E and you can listen to him every single weekday at the Football Guys Fantasy Football Show.
43:23What a pleasure, my friend. Thanks for doing it.
43:26Thank you, Chris. Best of luck this week and I'm sure we'll be talking again soon.
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44:54You've got to pick up every stitch When you scratch that DraftKings itch Or start to carry that warning Must be that
45:02old Jake Trowbridge itch And there it is. The season of the Jake Trowbridge itch.
45:07He's back from his sojourn to the east You can find him on Blue Sky You can find him all over Just
45:14look him up Jake Trowbridge He's here He missed week one I think probably it was for the best because Andy Behrens
45:22crashed and burned in last week's contest Hello Jake Welcome back I wasn't expecting my triumphant return to involve Andy Behrens getting
45:29thrown under the bus but I mean whatever has to happen has to happen I suppose I did listen to last week's
45:36episode I want to get this out of the way early I heard it all I know that there are various points
45:44where you had speculated I wouldn't be listening but I would be feeling some of the vibes coming off of your overlap
45:51anyways and I think I did and I would have felt that even if I hadn't listened and let's just like lend
45:59some credence to the to the Trowbridge superstition because neither one of Andy or I cashed we absolutely crashed and burned the
46:06overlap players like we had Jamir Gibbs that was good but we had Jamar Chase that wasn't very good were you proud
46:14of me though that I picked the Cardinals defense as the cheapest one and then they went out and blew doors wasn't
46:21that great yes I mean if we're talking about tropes on this show that exists for a reason I think we both
46:28had our moment in the sun in week one yeah me too well you know now we have some information and let's
46:36let's let's actually pick some teams we have the full slate I mean not the full slate because we have Thursday game
46:43we have the Sunday night game we have the Monday game but the main slate is 13 games gives you lots and
46:51lots of options where are you starting for week two I hate to come out in my very first appearance of this
46:58season and tell you that so much of this lineup rests in the hands of Carson Wentz but that's where we're at
47:06in week two I of course when I was traversing New England did happen to stumble upon a Packers bar so I
47:13could watch the Vikings Packers game the dog and pony tavern if anybody is up near bar harbor that's your spot but
47:20I saw the light switch turn on once Kyler Murray went out and Carson Wentz came on for Justin Jefferson and I
47:28know people were terrified of Justin Jefferson rightfully so after enduring the J.J.
47:32McCarthy and Max Brosber experience last year but I think people forget like when he has a very capable quarterback Justin Jefferson
47:40can look like his usual stellar self so I'm not only going with Justin Jefferson who is $7,800 against the Bears but
47:47I am as of right now expecting Carson Wentz to start and he's only $4,600 so I like that stack against the
47:54Bears against the Bears defense that kind of just seems like we want you to have some points you know because we
48:02want to force Caleb out there to keep putting up record setting numbers so we're going to let you have some touchdowns
48:09Bryce Young like I like the matchup as well I have bad news for you no don't not yet not Wentz but
48:17Jefferson is on my team at 7800 so okay there may be some tinking ahead for you you know I was gonna
48:24say even Juwan Jennings not Juwan Jennings even Jordan Addison with Carson Wentz at quarterback might be okay so who knows maybe
48:32I'll make a switcheroo there I mean I'm not on my account not on my account but you know maybe on your
48:39own I did I did I feel like these early weeks you know you you nail this I didn't nail the studs
48:46last week but if you do nail the studs you just can find so much good pricing so it's Jefferson for me
48:54and it's Bajon Robinson I just took two expensive dudes to build my lineup at the beginning by the way don't crash
49:01your car these lineups are in today's show notes and also as I just mentioned during the DraftKings spot their link to
49:09the week two contest also in the show notes I also put it on social media it's the best contest on the
49:16internet that's what people tell me because they guarantee the prize so like there's overlay if like we don't fill the if
49:23we don't fill it they still give out the same amount and DraftKings does not take a rake it's five dollars to
49:31play if you've heard us talk about it for years and you've never played you really should it's very fun so I
49:38have expensive guys 8200 Bajon Robinson 7800 Justin Jefferson and nobody else with a lot of the expense did you have any
49:46other expensive guys on your roster here yeah it just so happens that I have this Bajon Robinson fellow at 8200 in
49:53my lineup as well but what heartened me is to hear you say that that seems to be the tip of the
50:01iceberg I have a couple of other very expensive guys as well I clearly went the studs and duds route for this
50:08lineup I thought I did too I thought I went studs and duds but not like you you didn't go the studsiest
50:15my man because I and I know why you didn't go with this other fella because he burned you so hard last
50:23week you and Barron's both that I decided I was going to try to get karmic retribution on your karmic retribution by
50:30putting Jamar Chase in this lineup at $7,600 but you know what I did because I'm a good coach and I know
50:38how to inspire my players is he is resting currently in my flex spot which means he's got to work his way
50:45back but I think he can do it on the Yacht Club on Wednesday show yesterday Andy said something similar about using
50:53the flex spot to deliver a message in a regular lineup not just DFS so I really feel like we're onto something
51:00here we're really spiritually motivating these NFL players that is some serious bread that you have laid upon Bajon, Justin Jefferson and
51:07Jamar Chase it's funny Jefferson and Chase in original recipe La Liga Lebowski that we talk about sometimes on the show they've
51:15been on my team on that league for basically their entire careers and I did not win last week they did not
51:22Jefferson was fine Chase didn't do enough and elsewhere we suffered a bit but I certainly am familiar with that combo I'm
51:30trying to even look at who my next most expensive player is so I also have a stack and in these medium
51:37sized pools I mean it's not a small pool I think we can be a max over a thousand or something of
51:45listeners who want to join this thing but it's not it's also not a head to head it's not quite a GPP
51:52because it's not thousands and thousands of people but stacks are a good idea we often endorse them unfortunately last year Jake
51:59was on a streak of endorsing stacks that did not work out but I'm sure it'll change this week I'm sure it
52:07will I am stacking some some Buccaneers I have Baker Mayfield going against the Browns because it's a revenge game even though
52:14he's been on like a hundred since he was on the Browns and I stacked him with a Mecca Abuka so Mayfield
52:22is 5600 Abuka 6400 the feeling I had watching that Buccaneers Bengals game is obviously I need Baker Mayfield not to keep
52:29fumbling that would be great but also I just had the sense even though there were other numbers eventually acquired by some
52:36other receivers boy the plan really did seem to be Abuka early and often so I am stacking Mayfield and Abuka what
52:44do you think about that I love that for you I'm honestly I'm appreciating the fact that one of my earliest notions
52:51for this was to force a Buccaneer into my lineup I didn't make it happen because I did some pre-tinking for this
52:59lineup even but I wanted even Jalen McMillan potentially if he's coming back to be in this lineup because I do just
53:06think it's going to be bonkers amounts of yards and like the defensive matchup is certainly no stress this year it's a
53:14totally different type of defense I wonder why I wonder why but yeah I didn't get any of those guys into my
53:21lineup I did however I don't do I want to go with my next I do I do in fact want to
53:28go with my defense right now okay because I know that the thing on this show is to do the cheapest defense
53:36and I will always appreciate that but if I have a couple of hundred dollars left over after I've set my main
53:43lineup Chris shame I just feel like okay I'm putting it out there now though because it's my it's the Browns okay
53:51it's the Browns at $2,200 and I'm only saying that as means I think that your stack is going to be incredible
53:58but maybe if somebody that's not one of two those two players could turn the ball over like I'd be psyched about
54:06that that's all I want yes but I'm just saying you just I hope it feels great that you doomed your lineup
54:13to failure by okay breaking first of all we both know that the odds of this being my final roster are not
54:20100% fair okay but but I do appreciate that okay I just wanted to get the dirty business out of the way
54:28so I can talk about my next highest priced person on this roster which is Derrick Henry I went $7,200 for Derrick
54:35Henry going against the Saints who at least in the first half of that game against Detroit again it was it was
54:43just turnstile defense for Jameer Gibbs and there's already consternation about say flowers eligibility for this other who is it Jacoby Lane
54:50potentially out I just think that Derrick Henry you know when you can afford him you should and I could sure I
54:57did I mean it's not PPR though how can you use Derrick Henry in a non-PPR oh wait when he scores three
55:05touchdowns is that good is that any good when he scores three touchdowns yeah lane out flowers questionable fair fair I just
55:12can't wait to see these last three doofuses on your lineup and you had extra money for man I thought I went
55:20studs and duds I did not so let's see my other running back is Aaron Jones I think Aaron Jones is going
55:27to be rostered a lot in DFS this week like you said the Bears don't really scare you on defense Jordan Mason
55:35is on IR you know there'll be someone else because there's always someone else but I feel like they're going to try
55:42to ride Aaron Jones as much as they can and then mix in whether it's DeMond Claiborne or someone else so Aaron
55:49Jones makes the team I tell you I actually may have lied I think the first thing I did now that I
55:57look at it I Broncos defense I presume will be better I think how could they be worse that was an unbelievable
56:04tackling display and you always worry that you get Sertan on somebody and suddenly the offense doesn't throw it to that somebody
56:12and they go after Riley Moss because Riley Moss stinks but Parker Washington moves around so much that it just doesn't seem
56:19likely I could get burned because Sertan maybe that's part of why this price is 5900 but that's low I gotta tell
56:27you I think Parker Washington is about to be like maybe a top 12 receiver in fantasy like it's not just the
56:34production from last week it's the way he looks he's just so good he's really freaking good so yeah to have been
56:41on this fellow all off season I gotta admit but the one thing that concerns me about putting Parker Washington into my
56:49lineup every week is just is this the week that they actually trot out Travis Hunter on offense for like three plays
56:56and he gets three big receptions and it just you know cuts into into Parker thing I hope that hint on the
57:04list with the first big play that he makes will be the next one will be his first one not worried about
57:11that all right I got two receivers you need to tell me here because what the heck who are they I went
57:19with Matthew Golden at 4700 obviously Christian Watson guy I totally fine with it Christian Watson got the headlines or at least
57:26any positive headlines that the Packers could muster but you know Golden looked like actually a true and obvious wide receiver to
57:33in Green Bay and that felt nice to see he out targeted all at the end I was a little worried that
57:41it all came at the end like sort of they were trying to come back but it's also 4700 I can't get
57:48too mad at you it's 4700 it's such a modest price and if you know if any of those end zone targets
57:56actually pay off this time around I'll be happy with that I went even cheaper for my last wide receiver it feels
58:03really bad to say his name as a starter above Jamar Chase as a flex but again Jamar you know what you
58:10have to do my that's an okay day at 3700 and I know you don't have the tightest of ends no I
58:18couldn't afford anywhere close to the tightest of ends I appreciated you continuing the tradition last week I was kind of hoping
58:25that you might this week but it doesn't sound like it no no I can't afford it I wish I could ball
58:33together the tight end and the flex then I could have afforded Trey McBride but I agreed thought about Dobbs too I
58:40guess I didn't really think about Matt Collins but you know I see the world where Matt Collins you know not really
58:48so actually Henry is because it's hilarious that Loveland got probably the most hype of any tight end at least on my
58:55show people kept coming on and going you know I'm tempted to have Loveland as my tight end two ahead of McBride
59:02and I'd be like what you what now and then in the bears scoring 59 points Kostin doesn't catch a single pass
59:10but I obviously think he's good so at 5000 he feels underpriced we've done it I'll just quickly rattle off some honorable
59:17mentions I thought about Basial Tootin because the Broncos couldn't tackle and Tootin is pretty cheap I don't think he's great but
59:25he's not starting level expensive Woody Marks is real cheap 4500 Devante Smith if you believe in a bounce back 6800 if
59:32you wanted a couple other cheap receivers but not quite as cheap as the two that you needed to grab Pat Bryant
59:40at 4200 looked like the number one receiver at times in that game and Casey Concepcion 4100 I don't like the Browns
59:47but he was all all all my brothers and sisters and therefore you're back in your homeland of Minnesota just kidding and
59:54so glad to have you back on the show happy to be back doing this with my friend and best selling author
60:02Chris Harris thank you so much for listening he is too kind thanks to both Jake and Dave for being on thank
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60:17Biotics before and you egg sandwich on a croissant oh my god really try it try it just get wild grain just
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60:39pound foolish the audiobook it's me reading it and it's available wherever you get audiobooks and that will see that post a
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60:54on the show on Friday no cousin Josh he's still on vacation he's coming back I believe on Friday night so we're
61:01going to miss him for one more week but Jeff Erickson and not Eric Jefferson will be joining in his place we're
61:09going to do a little mind changing things that we think maybe just based on one week our minds have been changed
61:16a little overreaction little tongue in cheek but some real actual opinion changes as well that will be super fun until then
61:23thanks again so much for listening your hat is awesome you're awesome for wearing it I will talk to you tomorrow the
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