0:00Welcome to the Legendary Upside podcast and YouTube channel. My name is Pat Karine. Follow my content at legendaryupsside.com. With me today,
0:07Rich Reebar for our angles and upside podcast. Reeves, how's it going?
0:12>> It's going good, man. And we've already got two two games in, you know, they both kind of, you know, underwhelmed,
0:18but that's, you know, week one, uh, in the NFL since they've set up this, you know, you new system with three playoff
0:24or three preseason games in the 17th week. Uh these games have historically like since they've done that gone under this week.
0:32>> Yeah. Yeah. Neither game was was was great. And then of course we had uh an injury to AJ Brown that's going to put
0:39him on IR. And um we also had the Sean Stribbling injury scare where fortunately it's an ankle injury.
0:47>> Darnold. Yeah. Darnold's going to be out for a while. So not like an ideal start to the season I have to say.
0:55Yeah. No. Yeah. And even even last night the stuff was weird. You know, we had like obviously there's like a full-on
1:02like pandemonium about like CMC and Kayn Black getting touches. Devonte Adams like didn't even play in the red zone which was really weird. Right. And and
1:09like you know I always try to remind people like you know week one it's obviously 100% of our sample when we get
1:15it. Yeah.
1:15>> But you know throughout the years like there's just so many examples of it. So like if this stuff happens in week nine
1:21you don't bat an eye. But the fact that stuff happens in week one, uh it is like an avalanche uh that you know people
1:27with the full-on panic. Uh you know last year I mean like the the Raiders went into the New England and just like curb
1:32stomped the Patriots, right? Like Gene Gino threw for like 400 yards 362 but like for you know Keon Coleman was like
1:40football Jesus on Sunday night uh last year in week one and did nothing, you know. So it it I understand like this is
1:47our first like a tip of the iceberg. So it's easy to like kind of go crazy with these things, but also let's like let it
1:51breathe a little bit.
1:52>> It's kind of like the preseason where there is signal, but like there's also just a ton of noise and so you have to
1:57be careful not to like just buy everything and throw out all of your priors because of one game. But like at
2:04the same time, the stuff that we I I just I think the probably the most helpful way to do it is like how
2:10confident was I ahead of time like on CMC. Like I'm not worried about CMC.
2:16Like he's he's still was heavily involved as a receiver. He actually looked good as a runner. I was I was more nervous he just looked like totally
2:23washed as a runner. He looked kind of good.
2:25>> It's funny because there's like the trade-off, right? Like would you rather have CMC get 25 touches and look terrible or get 18 opportunities and
2:31look good? way way more the latter. Like it's week one, right? Like we need him to score, we need him to win us leagues
2:39in December, in January actually this year. So it's uh >> Right. Right.
2:44>> To me, I'm like, yeah, have some juice, you know, like if you don't if you don't like have an insane workload week one in
2:52Australia, well, you know, he's reportedly suffering some cramps and stuff. And like I'm sure Kayn Black was always going to get more work than you
3:00and I and everyone else would have assumed.
3:02And that's like not ideal for McCaffrey, but I also think it's like better than my expectation that he looked like he
3:10had some real pop as a runner again.
3:12>> Like that was not a given at all. So I I feel like pretty neutral on CMC. I'd probably like take JT over him now. But
3:20>> that's about it. Uh but on the other hand, Kaylin Black wheels up like like clearly he's the handcuff. He looks
3:28good. So, it's more like I didn't know what to make of the running back two situation. It looked like it was black,
3:33but I wasn't sure.
3:34>> And so, now it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's black and he's probably pretty good. So, you know, I moved him up in my
3:40main event rankings uh after the game because people are still drafting their main events.
3:45>> I moved up him up a lot. Like, I put him up next to like Woody Marks and stuff.
3:49Um, so >> makes sense.
3:51>> If you have I mean, yeah, that might I'm I don't even know if that gets you him.
3:54I I'm not sure. I'm not out in Vegas this year, so I don't know where he's gone today, but >> probably not. Probably not actually.
4:00>> Yeah, it might not be. It might be high enough. Yeah. But that's the kind of stuff like we don't have like our prior
4:04is basically like so if that's your prior then like you move hard on the new information.
4:11>> Yeah. Yeah. I I dig that. Yeah. It's like you said this the funny like maybe he loses like a little bit of like like
4:18top down like because like he he maybe had like the ceiling to threaten like Gibbs in a perfect run out but like I
4:25don't think that exists really now.
4:27>> It it it doesn't I mean Gibbs is just >> Yeah.
4:30>> It's going to be out.
4:31>> It's a perfect intersection. And now we've got Bejon starting at Cooper Rush like >> Yeah. Yeah. I know dude. I know.
4:41>> It's wild. I went to pull up the Cooper Rush thing and he started We'll I guess we'll get there because we're talking He
4:47started two games and it's zero.
4:48>> Let's just Yeah, there's no set order that we need to to.
4:52>> So, um let's just let's just start with Start with an easy one.
4:56>> Yeah, we'll get this one done quick because we we have we have less time. I figured, hey, it's week one. You know,
5:01we we all kind of know what the 2025 season stats tell us. We don't have 2026 data on any of these teams. So like
5:08maybe we'll maybe we'll be a little bit quicker than we sometimes are in the middle of the season where we're diving
5:12into a bunch of trends. But uh let's let's talk the Falcons. Tuang Valoa are now ruled out. Uh he was named the week
5:18one starter and uh Sacrilla just had like a a decent chunk of change on >> the week one starter market for Tua. He
5:28had him as the week one starter.
5:30>> Oh, it doesn't count.
5:32>> No, he Well, he he was smart enough to have cashed out. So, he took his win at 99 cents on the dollar. He got out, but
5:39I think I think the bet technically or the prediction technically settled at uh >> um as like to a winning the job, but but
5:48yeah, he was like, I'm not dealing with whatever happens there. But anyway, he was he was sweating that pretty hard there for about a week because it looked
5:56like Penn was if Penn was healthy, he would have been the starter, I think.
5:59Right.
5:59>> And he will be, I think, whenever he's ready.
6:03Yeah, I think I I mean, yeah, I think so, too. I think they they pretty much done with with Tua is my read on it. How
6:11big how big of a a factor do you think this is, though, for uh the offense to go to Cooper Rush? Like the downgrade
6:18from Tua even to Rush?
6:20>> Yeah, I mean, Tua looked so bad in the preseason, it's hard to even say like if if it's like going to like fully impact
6:25things. I had already like bet the Steelers in this game and was pretty like bullish on, you know, the them kind
6:32of controlling this game script, especially on the road in Pittsburgh. I think the Pittsburgh defense like especially at the start of the year when
6:39everyone's like fresh and like age hasn't set in like looks pretty awesome on paper. Uh if these guys can stay healthy, I mean them adding, you know,
6:47Ray Sean Jenkins, Jamal Dean, and Jaquin Brisker is like a pretty big deal. And we'll see if Joey Porter plays or if
6:52he's still just like kind of holding out. I saw like parentheses back and it's like yeah well his back doesn't have a a big backpack full of money on
6:59it. That's that's why he's holding out still. But as I saw he's questionable. But I mean the there's other concerns I think just
7:08with this offense that that concern me uh in general. Like I think in general the the big thing that I'm most
7:14concerned about is the fact that like Drake London's probably not going to have as great access to like easy targets like these easy button targets.
7:24Yeah.
7:24>> And when Penn comes back I think it's less of an issue because Pennix will throw outside the numbers and he will
7:30throw vertically. But the fact that Almeida Zakius and Zachariah Branch are like default wide receiver three, wide receiver four, like it's just it just
7:38cuts off some of Drake London's slot snaps. And we saw that a little bit in the very small sample of the preeason.
7:45And like if he's stuck playing outside with Cooper Rush, uh, and it would have been a problem with Tua anyways. It's
7:51probably less of a problem with with Cooper Rush, but you know, with Joey Porter Jr. and Jamal Dean. Like it was
7:56just like a a situation where I just thought it was going to be a like a nonsealing game for Drake London to
8:02begin with.
8:05>> Yeah, I'm I'm with you. I mean, Lovelin I I do think Lovelin moves down. I just think the offense, like the potential
8:12for the offense to be just completely non-functional is so much higher with rush and then them also the potential for them to just go really runheavy and
8:21just try to suck the pass volume out of this situation. And then like I was looking at on the Steelers side,
8:29they passed like at a normal rate last year and I don't really anticipate them going super pass heavy. think the hope
8:35if if you're look for like Mike McCarthy to boost uh the Steelers, I think you're really hoping for an efficiency increase. And uh so I'm not sure that
8:45like the Steelers are going to be injecting a bunch of volume into this game. Uh and so that's where this game
8:51starts to look kind of just like a slog.
8:54Um with with Cooper Rush, I with Kyle Pittz, I had kind of started to talk myself a little bit into like,
9:01>> okay, you have Tua. could you do some Injoku kind of stuff with Pitts and just get the ball in his hands real quick and
9:07you know him having more consistent target role and I think that could still happen but even that it's just like with
9:13Cooper Rush I feel less confident about that one like that might not happen and two even if it does what does it get me
9:20so um yeah I think I I had London as like as a wide receiver too this this week >> I don't know how yeah okay
9:30>> I had obviously you're starting Bejan But >> yeah, there's nothing you could do about it. I mean, you're probably not going to
9:35be as bullish on him, you know, from a DFS stance, especially with all the guys, you know, on board this week. And
9:42>> this game probably sets up to just be kind of a quick in-n-out game. This might be the first game done in the
9:47early games. Uh, you know, uh, >> that's a good bet. Yeah.
9:51>> You look at the Steelers, too, with Michael Pitman not practicing basically all preseason. Like Aaron Rogers openly talked last week. He's like, I just
9:58haven't done anything with him, you know, because he's had the hamstring. I think they're going to play a ton of 12
10:02personnel in this first game, you know, especially with James Pierce and Jaylen Walker being out. The Falcons retained Jeff Albrich as defensive coordinator
10:10and they got just steamrololled by tw 12 personnel runs last year. And I just think you're going to get a lot of Rico
10:15D and a lot of Jaylen Warren in this game. And I think they view those guys as interchangeable, too, which is which
10:22sucks for us. I don't >> Well, it's like why do they why like they're actually pretty different backs?
10:29Yeah, I think they're going to just like trade off though, right? Like I mean, how do you envision it going?
10:33>> No, I think you're right. I think they'll probably trade off series, but it is strange to me that they're >> to me like more and I've been a DA guy
10:40the last couple years because D's been basically he was he's very very cheap is you know what ended up being the starter
10:45in Dallas and then he was cheap last year because he's gets he gets treated like he's got no like no skill. He does.
10:53He has like some He's like slightly above a replacement level, I think. Like he's a solid enough back, but I think
10:59Warren's like legit good and, you know, was a better runner last year than Dowel, uh, more efficient, and then has been just a great receiver. He obviously
11:08lost some of that to Kenny Gainwell last year, but he still had 40 receptions even with Gainwell having a great year
11:12as a receiver. So, >> I think long term they're going to realize that Warren is he's more versatile. He's not like going to be an
11:21every down, you know, total workhorse type of guy, but I think it will resolve in Warren's favor this week. I I think
11:28you are right that they're just going to throw them out there and and kind of they'll be in an equal split.
11:34>> Yeah. So, both those guys I think are like, you know, matchup based flex. You hope one gets in the box or, you know,
11:39if you're playing them, you know, that's kind of what you're what you're hoping for.
11:43>> And that's re really kind of how I see the offense kind of rolling through.
11:46Typically in these games like too if they're going to have a run script it means that you will get like more
11:50Darnell Washington in the game than Frier Moose but it is a new new regime.
11:54Maybe you won't. Uh but the preseason we saw the same thing that we saw last year when Darnell Washington was on the
11:59field. Steelers had a 50% run rate. That was exactly what it was in the preseason and pri splits were basically the same
12:05too. So it's kind of hard to just really kind of glom on to like ceiling potential for the passing pieces. Um but
12:11you probably do get a decent target share here for DK. I just don't know how many overall pass pass attempts you'll
12:17get.
12:18>> I agree. I agree. I think Pitman is going to have a little bit of a ramp up period with all the time he missed like
12:23you were saying.
12:24>> Yeah.
12:25>> Um I noted the the tight ends is basically like I'm not touching these guys this week, but I am going to be
12:30closely monitoring it because I would like if they played more Darnell Washington to be honest. I think I think he's just so fun. We've talked about
12:36him. We're fans, but I think it probably is just a split. But it'd be, you know, something that could be a nice surprise
12:43if if Washington gets more run. Um, all right, let's move to Well, we didn't discuss, do we have any wagon of the week candidates? Uh,
12:54>> uh, yeah, I think we our two pretty clear ones are what, the Lions and the Chargers.
13:00>> I think there's a third, uh, candidate.
13:02Let's talk about Let's talk about the Bears at Panthers because I think the Bears could be >> an immediate wagon as well. Uh, I made
13:10Coloulson Lovelin. He's >> a fun game.
13:12>> Uh, and Luther Burton kind of a co- cover boy.
13:16>> Um, and what I what jumped out to me about this game is you have the Panthers not having a good run defense last year
13:27and not having a good pass defense. And this like very much fits with exactly what the Bears want to do, right? They
13:33want to be a team that has a tilt to the run and then they're efficiently um working off of that and creating
13:39explosive plays in the pass game.
13:41Panthers were a clear run funnel last season and uh you know it just like it sets up very nicely for the Bears to be
13:49able to kind of play their style of offense. And then thinking through that a little more as well, it's like okay,
13:55you've got this run first approach then you're probably play actioning off of that. that could set up really nicely for Coloulston Lovelin here. Uh
14:05especially if the the Panthers end up kind of having to overplay the run a little bit because they're just getting getting roasted, you know, by these
14:12consistent chunk gains and stuff. And so, you know, I I was not a huge Coulson Lovelin guy in drafts this summer, but
14:20purely because he was just really expensive. And it's like one of those things where if you drafted a bunch of Coulson Loveland this year
14:29and and you're right, I think you'll know like pretty quickly, right? I'm not expecting the Coulson Loveland bet was not like over the course of the year
14:37he'll kind of earn more. It's like no, he was the guy down the stretch. The plan is going to be built around him and
14:44he's just going to crush right out of the gate in a matchup that's kind of perfectly suited for a passcatching traditional tight end. um which is you
14:53know kind of how he that's what he was profiling as is like a guy who can who can be a force in the run game and a
14:59true downfield weapon as a receiver. So I'm kind of excited about uh the Bears offense here. In addition, the Bears defense is not good. They haven't really
15:11put that many resources into it, which I applaud them for. like good, you know, you have a you have a struggling Caleb
15:16Williams, you bring in Ben Johnson, rebuild the offensive line and get some weapons and and score a lot of points.
15:22Like that's smart team building to me.
15:23You know, you you make sure that that Williams gets back on track and regains his confidence. Like that's going to pay
15:30huge dividends long term. You'll figure that the defense out eventually. Just get the offense sorted out. That's exactly what they've done. I think it's
15:35genuinely very smart, but it's also awesome for us because the defense is so bad that the Panthers should be able to
15:42put up points. Panthers are at home here. Uh, you know, they've got they've got Ted McMillan, Jaylen Coker, pretty good weapons. Uh, Brooks now is off.
15:51Jonathan Brooks is off the injury report. Uh, Chuba Hubard's healthy.
15:55Like, they're they're pretty much ready to go here on the Panthers side. They're not going to be like a high-flying offense, but they they get themselves a
16:02great matchup. So, I think this game could this this total has moved up over the course of the week. Um, I believe
16:08it's 47 and a half now, but I could still see it going over. I think this game's pretty fun.
16:14>> There's a lot of There's definitely a fun outcome here. We need the Bears to score early in this game. We need early
16:18Bears points to push the Panthers. Uh this is what's interesting though is that like you know Ajy Rivero, we talked about this a few times on the show last
16:27year like he the Panthers for not having like a top down good defense. They were like really good and solid against the
16:34meta offenses. Um they were number one in the NFL against the play action pass.
16:39They're they were a top three team and you know from uh pre- snap to postnap looks they they they play a lot of cover
16:45three but they get into it afterwards post snap. Uh so they changed the window so it's why they were really good
16:50against play action like Brock Pury was awful against them. Uh six yards and three interceptions. Six yards pass three interceptions. Sam Darnold was
16:58terrible against them. Jordan Love was terrible against them. Uh they got three turnovers over Matthew Stafford. And like that's what Ben Johnson did year
17:05one with uh Caleb Williams was take him from 28% under center to 48% and then double his play action rate. So there's
17:14like a wildcard element in here too. Uh they did add Jaylen Phillips as a pass rusher um as well and they added Devin
17:21Lloyd in the middle. So like they they are aware of some of their shortcomings.
17:25But I'm I'm with you that just like the the angle for like the upside here to kind of push this is through Lovelin.
17:32think to start the year he will be kind of the catalyst and we're we're going to get you know obviously L Burton involved
17:37and stuff but I do think the offense early on is going to go Glo's way because he's just been the guy that's
17:42worked with Caleb the entire offseason um and I think they're going to have stuff for him and the matchup lines up
17:47for him too. So, typically against cover three tight ends get a target bump anyways leaguewide. And Carolina saw this like firsthand because they're not
17:56it's not a one-year thing, it's a three-year thing with them. Like they're second NFL in cover three rate last year, third in 2024. This is what they
18:03do. And tight ends get that target bump.
18:05So last year, and last year we saw Lovelin against cover three, two and a half yards per out run, just under 30%
18:11target per uh route rate. like definitely sets up I think for him to kind of be like the focal point early
18:18on. Um and we've got Rome coming back from this you know calf injury. He's he's kind of nicked up. So I'm looking
18:25at Lovelin to have like a pretty healthy target share here. It just depends, you know, if Devin Lloyd actually makes a
18:30difference in terms of them defending tight ends. But Lovelin moves around so much. I don't think it's really going to.
18:37>> Yeah, that's an interesting note about them being good against play action but not against tight ends. So I, you know,
18:44you made me feel worse and then feel better about the cover.
18:48>> I mean, we we need to cuz like we know like in in Dave Canales's brothers, I he's not calling plays like Bradick is
18:53this year, but like they'll if they want to like be boring and like nurse Bryce Young, they'll they'll acquies that.
19:01That's why I want like I would love like cuz the Bears were the worst team in the NFL opening drives last year. Like we
19:07need the Bears to to to come out opening drive and score a touchdown. Score score a touchdown. push this thing. Uh cuz
19:13then we can have fun. I had this little note too. B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B
19:16B B B B B Bryce Young shockingly like in he's only played six career games, sample size of six. Note it. Six games
19:23with a total of 47 points or higher. You have just 20 fantasy points per game in those games. And you kind of highlighted
19:29this defense. They tried to spend on Kobe Bryant. He's on he's on IR to open the year. Kyler Gordon's on IR to open
19:35the year. Dallas Flowers is on IR. Uh they're going to be starting first round pick Dylan Theamman secondary. Um, and the Bears were awful against like
19:44interior receivers last year. They didn't really upgrade that. And we've got Tet in this new role and then Coker is like still gonna be the primary role.
19:51>> Like I like the Panther side. If they get pushed here, I really like the opportunity here for Tet and Coker to
19:58have really strong games.
19:59>> Uh, not that that necessarily gets you to Bryce Young, but I do think it sets up to where if we can just get early
20:04Bears points, it does set this game in a flow state where I think it could be a lot of fun.
20:10Yeah, I I'm not real interested in Young, but I I like his ability or rather the the offense's ability on the
20:17Panthers side to to push back and I'm fine if they run the ball a good amount because I think they'll be I think
20:23Brooks gives them the ability to to add some explosiveness in the running game.
20:27I know they're hoping for that.
20:29Obviously, he's a huge wild card coming off the ACL reinjury and you know, then he sat out the end of the preseason with
20:36soreness and stuff and then people were kind of panicking a little bit. I think he's off the injury report. He's he
20:41looks pretty much good to go. How much he plays, big question. You know, how good he actually is at this point,
20:48another big question. But I think there is upside where the Panthers could run the ball a good amount or at least be
20:54balanced. you know, like a minus 2% kind of poe day for the Panthers. I don't think is bad for this game like hitting
21:02the over. I be, you know, it reminds me of like a few years ago the the Lions and the Seahawks playing each other and
21:10that kind of game where yes, both teams are not super pass heavy, but they're effectively moving the chains and they're just like pushing each other
21:20throughout the entire game. And it's at a certain point it's like ah like they're scoring on us every time and and
21:25it just starts to get like a true shootout even though neither team came in chucking it, you know. Um so that's
21:33where the and and again this is all kind of boils down to the fundamental take on on the Panthers versus the Bears side of
21:40things where it's like I just don't think this Bears defense is going to be very good. So, the Panthers can kind of
21:45probably play their style of offense and not have to just have Bryce Young in the shotgun constantly chucking it, which which we know they don't want to do,
21:52right? They're going to they're going to try to avoid that. So, it's it's like a game flow that could set up where both
21:58teams are playing their type of football, scoring points, and then maybe one team has to stop playing their type of football and move to passing the ball
22:06a bunch, but still scoring points because the the Bears are going to be bad against the pass, too. So, uh, yeah,
22:12I think it'll be a fun game. Where where were you on the Tetto McMillan? I don't think we we talked too much about him. I
22:18guess we talked about him on on, uh, the CBS pod for a little bit, but where'd you end up with him in uh, like like how
22:25bullish are you on Toroa this season?
22:28>> I was relatively neutral, but I'm higher on him in my way higher on him in my week one ranks than my seasonl long
22:34stuff. Um, and it just came down to like the peers where he his ADP peers were just in better offenses. Like I had more
22:42faith in like the ceiling outcome uh for those players if they were to hit, you know, like Jaylen Wadd like those types
22:48of dudes. I'm like, well, if it works out for these guys that like I I just have a lot more faith in the offense.
22:53>> But this proof of concept of cuz when they I knew that they had mentioned this, but and when they drafted Brazil,
23:01I was like, cool. When they drafted Brazil, I was like, Brazil's just gonna, man, this dude's just gonna run like so
23:06much cardio and it's gonna help T so much. And when Brazil got hurt, I was a little worried. I was like, oh, like,
23:11yeah, me too. Like, is it going to fall apart? And then the whole preseason preseason, they stuck with it. I mean, I
23:17don't know how static it'll be. Like, he was 40% slot rate in the preseason. If he's anywhere near that, 30 to 40%, like
23:23that is a huge boon because he had the Marvin Harrison Jr. problem. we talked about a lot last year like he was stuck
23:29outside on the ball with a quarterback that doesn't want to push the ball downfield outside the numbers. He wants to throw interior which is ironic
23:37because like Bryce Young isn't like like he's he's not a big dude but he actually functions over the middle of the field
23:42pretty well and it was in his college profile too for being an undersized player and it's like we got to get some
23:48of these freebies because he just wasn't part of the base offense last year. Like when you look at it, he was third in the
23:53NFL on third down target share, >> but on early downs he was 22nd. Like that that can't that's not how your
23:59offense is supposed to run like like you know and it's like you have to get him more these early downs like these these
24:05easy button free squares, right? Like those smoothing targets and >> even if he gets 30 to 40% like slot rate, that's huge for one his floor and
24:14then his ceiling as well. uh because you that's how you have the games especially when you have a matchup like this where
24:19you maybe could have a 10 catch game like you know obviously that's on the the the higher end range of things but
24:25like those exist now and now you can have a six catch game when it in a game that's not that good right and like you
24:31just helps your floor a lot so I'm very much optimistic uh that he's going to have a really solid floor I think the
24:37ceiling big picture I have a little more questions still just because I do think Bryce Young is drawing live to still get
24:43benched like he was benched in year two by this regime team like if on the fifth year option like if they're like two and
24:49seven or something like who knows what could happen at this point they pull the plug on this but uh for week one he is
24:56significantly higher than where I ended up on him I am as a wide receiver one this week >> nice um yeah I mean I I I kind of I do
25:06agree with you that Bryce Young could get benched um I don't think they're looking to do it I think at this point
25:10now probably getting fired right I mean yeah they're like They're like looking really hard not to do like where >> I mean compared to something like with
25:20the Cardinals, right? Like the Cardinals are >> when it comes time like they'll bench purset. I think I think the they'll
25:26fight against it pretty hard in Carolina because I think it I think it means >> canalis is done.
25:32>> Um >> I mean I would love for them to just say we picked up the fifth year option dude like we're just going to throw you like
25:37we're actually are going to open it up.
25:39I know they're not going to do this, but it would be great. Proof of like if you're gonna give him money, show pro
25:45show it, man. Because it his one like effective angle like coming out of college was spread offense, man. Like spread things out and let him work. And
25:53we just haven't seen that so far in the NFL. But the his best moments have come in those circumstances. Like I said, he
26:00averages 20 points in these highscoring games. like when they're when they actually have to make him play. He's actually been decent enough in reality
26:08in fantasy football.
26:10>> He has. And I think with me from, you know, the the McMillan stuff, I I have him as like a high-end wide receiver,
26:16too. Um but yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I think it's a it's an interesting setup for him and a high upside setup. Um, but yeah, I
26:26mean I think McMillan like there's been, you know, I I think some fair criticism about the offense like this offense is
26:35just not going to be something that elevates a good wide receiver to a really really strong fantasy asset. But what if he is a really really good
26:43receiver?
26:43>> And that's why I still was in largely is that obviously I'm always going to be talent forward. Like if I believe in the
26:49player like he's going to get a bump. I was just more I didn't get a lot of him because just the guys he was going next
26:56to I was like well I really like these offenses like you know >> he kind of stopped going next to some of
27:03those guys at the end of the summer he was more in the late fourth mid to late fourth so >> um and Wadd had moved up a bunch I think
27:11I was here >> I think Wadd was the big jumper for a lot of people uh in the 11th hour >> Waddle I think we all kind of we as an
27:21industry we proved that we can still move the market uh you know collectively and then also like what is wrong with us
27:28that why why didn't we just like quietly take waddle why do we have to why do we have to change the
27:34on >> yeah 100% >> but but we did it we did it man um all right let's let's go to um here I've got
27:43the Buccaneers and the Bengals pulled up in the walkthrough so we'll we'll do them um >> give me your your kind of initial read
27:50on uh on the Bengals first because they've done some like we're playing under center now stuff and how much do you think that that we'll see of that?
27:59Yeah, and the Bengals are uh a tough team to trust always at this time of year. And you know, it's it's really
28:05hard because you like try to in your mind want to isolate like week one from 2021 shouldn't have an impact on my
28:11treating of week one of 2026. But Ben, >> even I was like, yeah, >> but the Bengals so notoriously have been
28:18so bad in these week one games. Like they average 15 offensive points per game in Joe Burrow's week one starts.
28:26He's never had 20 fantasy points in a week one start in six of them. the their their games under Zack Taylor are six
28:34and one to the under like and then you have like this Bucks defense that is their front seven is absolutely looks
28:42awesome on paper and like is this the game you want to get him under center like against the offensive line is I
28:48mean the Bucks were bad against play action so maybe that's what like they're visiting the vision like but like are you is your offensive line holding up to
28:55set up this play action against you know Ruben Bane they brought in Aan Robinson they get Kala Cany back. They also have
29:02Vet. Like I just want Joe Burrow to spread it out and and like I want to put him in shotgun and let Jamar Chase and
29:09T. Higgins go against these guys in the secondary cuz they're the secondary looks bad on paper. Uh they we talked a
29:17number of times last year whenever Jamal Dean was out like they were really bad and they give up a bunch of points to
29:22wide receivers and they didn't bring anyone else in. like they they are elevating Benjamin Morrison and Jacob Parish at cornerback outside of Zion
29:31McCollum and both those guys were awful last year and I see I have Jamar Chase and I have T. Higgins. They're a lot
29:37better than your guys. Like why are we pussyfooting around, dude? Are we allowed to say pussyfoot still?
29:42>> I think so.
29:44>> Like let's not get Joe Let's drop Joe Burrow back against this pass rush. Give him time to read the field. Not turn his
29:50back to the defense at all and get the ball out to these guys.
29:57I believe uh I'm not sure the the definition it's to tread or move wearily or stealthily. I'm not sure that where where it originates
30:08from.
30:09>> Yeah, it might be from like a flower or something, you know. I don't I don't know. I don't know where how this
30:14started.
30:17But yeah, I think I think it's I looked on Miriam's, you know, dictionary. It's in there.
30:26>> It's one of those things I said as a way to resol to say that.
30:30>> I think I think Miriam Webster dictionary.com. It's on there. So, uh, so you're good to go. Um, you know what's funny about the Bengals
30:39stuff is like they're gonna do they're going to play the way you're hoping they play eventually. Like that's what they're going to do this year. Like it's
30:48sort of like they have to prove to everyone publicly that like they can't play another way and then they'll go back to playing the way that they
30:57obviously should. Like, hey, you built your entire team around Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and T. Higgins.
31:05maybe play like that. You know, that's that's what you did. You know, like that gives you some real strengths. You're not gonna be strong everywhere. The
31:13defense isn't gonna be great and you know, the run game is fine, but like >> but like there's no way >> like like do you really think that
31:22internally like right now on Friday like they're really like Zack Taylor is sitting there like dude like we're going to run the ball on the Buccaneers?
31:30>> Yes.
31:32>> It's so That's so wild.
31:38>> I think they are. I think that that's the plan. I think the plan is we're gonna we're going to be under now
31:45obviously I mean they're going to they're going to pass like I think >> my read was not that they're going to go
31:50like run heavy because I think they'll have a lean to the pass but that they I do buy that they're going to try this
31:55like new look more under center approach which >> will probably not be great and it will probably it will limit their
32:06effectiveness I think uh compared to if they just play to their strengths. You know, in fairness to them, it is week
32:14one. Like maybe it is a decent enough time to try out like if you're like it's like okay, they're like a they're like a
32:23fastball pitcher, you know, but it's the season just started. They're trying out a curveball, seeing if they can get the curve ball. I got a new pitch.
32:32>> You got a new pitch. It was not a great curveball.
32:35People are hitting on it. you've given up a few homers.
32:40But, you know, I can I can get it. Like, it's not it's not crazy to me to But it is frustrating when you see, you know,
32:47because we're like, "Hey, it's the Bengals season starting. Let's let's get rolling here." I think they probably aren't going to be as effective as they
32:54as they otherwise could be, you know.
32:56>> Yeah. I mean, he's he under in the grant small preseason, but he was under center 55% of the time in preseason. Uh his
33:03highest season is 35% in 2021. And then like the past few years is like non-existent. Like he's just been in shotgun. And I would just think like
33:11that's what you want him doing. Uh because Burrow is such a good processor, right? Like I want him to see the field.
33:17But yeah, especially like they're like this offensive line I think could maybe hold up and pass pro if like you against
33:24these guys, but like there's no way they're bullying these guys in the run game. Like they're not they're not bullying VT like and running down their
33:32throats in this game.
33:35No, you're you're 100% right. What about on the the Bucks side? Um well, let me ask you real quick on the the Bengals
33:42side because one question was, okay, are they going to be under center more, but the other is are they going to pass to
33:47Chase Brown way more? And you know, if they do, like he could he could really crush. I've been pretty skeptical that
33:54they do that because they already threw him a lot last year and his yards per target was terrible. His yards per
33:59outrun was bad. Like he's not a very good receiver, I don't think. But what are your what are your thoughts on the
34:06potential there? Because, you know, if if they're going to throw to him like he's more in like a CMC kind of role, um
34:14that would I mean, he would probably score kind of like CMC like that, you know, that role is is pretty pretty damn
34:21valuable if you're going to see like six receptions a game or something. You know what I mean? Well, I think this game he
34:25should see a lot of catches again, but that's me just trying to projecting what I think is going to end up happening in
34:30this game is that they're eventually going to not be running the ball because I don't think they're going to be able
34:35to run the ball on this defense. Uh that not only have they added guys like they've like historically been good.
34:41It's not a it's not like a one-year sample. It's not a two-ear sample like under Todd BS like Todd BS is like the
34:46complete old school defensive coach like you are not running on me. Like I'm not going to let you run not going to let
34:51you run the ball on me. I don't think they're going to be able to line up a run on them. So, I do think it's going
34:56to turn into eventually like a quick passing game. And I think that just helps Chase Brown uh stack catches in this game, but I do think big picture uh
35:04he doesn't need to have the target share that he had because he hasn't really done a lot with the the targets he's
35:11gotten. I mean, he's under seven yards per catch each the past two years. Uh not really adding a lot to it. uh the
35:18the the offense those balls going to him, but he's played so many snaps and run so many routes that he's been able
35:23to stack so much production that he's gotten fantasy points that way. He's always tough. It's like the inverse of the situation we just talked about with
35:30Tech Millan, right? Is it not the complete difference? It's like he's in this situation and you value this part of this attachment to this offense, but
35:36the player you're like, "Yeah, like right." But so it's it's like how do you handle those? Like it it's tough to take that
35:46guy in round one. Maybe you take him at like the the in the second, but I do think >> this particular game he's going to have
35:53a lot of catches.
35:56>> That makes sense. That makes sense.
35:58Yeah. And I think I mean he's going to have his game. He had a ton of catches last year, so it's not like he's I don't
36:02think he's not going to catch.
36:03>> I think he's a tough I mean, you're starting him obviously, but I think for like DFS and stuff, like it's a tough
36:07ceiling spot, I think, to think he's going to like absolutely crush here. Uh if he gets a receiving touchdown and catches a bunch of passes, that's the
36:15path.
36:17>> Yep. Um all right, let's move to uh the Saints at Lions. What do >> you want to do, dude? Did you want to do
36:25Bucks, though?
36:25>> Oh. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I skipped the Bucks. Um, yeah. What are your thoughts on the Bucks? I mean, they're going against the
36:31Bengals defense that's not particularly good. Uh, Jaylen McMillan is going to be out for this game. It looks like he's doubtful. Sean Tucker also doubtful. Uh,
36:42my read was kind of like, hey, the um the offensive line healthy, >> not healthy to start last year, healthy to start this year. Uh, really strong.
36:54Um, Brandon Thorne has them as an elite unit.
36:57>> Oh, yeah.
36:57>> Uh, they're going to be, you know, facing a Bengals defense that was was quite bad against the run.
37:04>> And while I think Kenny Gainwell is talented, I think Bucky Irving is probably the better pure runner and is also a good receiver. Uh, where Gainwell
37:13he'll play, but Bucky even with Rashad White was was getting plenty of targets, producing efficiently on those targets.
37:21you can get that kind of early down, you know, kind of like Joe Mixon with the Bengals sort of thing where it's like,
37:26yeah, he's not their third down back, but he still gets targeted on early downs. I think Bucky can be really effective as a 1A kind of back because
37:35he's got chunk playability.
37:38I think if Tucker doesn't play, then I feel pretty good about his goal line role and then he's going to be able to
37:42have, you know, efficient efficient receiving element given he's been really good as a receiver now for two years.
37:48last year, even though he fell off a lot as a runner, he was still really good as a receiver. So, it's not really to take
37:55away anything from Gainwell's ability as a receiver, but Jaylen Warren had 40 receptions last year, splitting with Gainwell. I think Bucky can get some
38:02work in the receiving game like that as well, and then be the clear lead runner.
38:06And this sets up pretty nicely for for Irving, especially like if the Bengals don't just go like kind of turbo passing, like let's let's just like
38:15let's see if you can hang with us. if they are kind of messing around with some new looks, which I do expect that
38:20they will to an extent because they spend a lot of their practice time at training camp >> to experiment with that stuff. So, you
38:25know, to some extent, I think they will, and that would help Irving, I think, like, you know, if this game's going to
38:30be a little bit more traditional and less pass heavy, then Irving could be kind of the focal point on the Bucks
38:36side. And I think he could really hit the ground running. Uh I I ended up coming away from this feeling pretty
38:41good about Irving. Irving might be a terrible pick this year, but if he's not, I think that this this game will
38:49will kind of be will pay immediate dividends for us if you know if we're starting him or playing him in DFS.
38:55>> Yeah, he he was a late summer riser for me cuz I think just the tea leaves over the offseason. I think people were
39:01overvaluing the previous uh you know, coordinator uh and Shawn Tucker getting those touches at the goal line. Uh, I was kind of just like I think we're
39:11we're indexing this too far. Like what if Sean Tucker's like not like a real big part of this regime's plans uh and
39:18and Zack Robinson's plans because remember they originally didn't tender him and then they 11th hour tendered him and then there was kind of like the
39:26entire offseason like he wasn't really playing a lot even with the the first team offense that Josh Williams was playing and it's just like are we like
39:34really elevating Shawn Tucker to a role that he doesn't have? And I was like, well then then Bucky probably is drawing
39:39a lot more live for goal line carries than anyone. You know, you see the stat was he had no carries from inside the
39:44five last year. And I'm like maybe maybe we're doing like that's the last year thing like you know he was banged up and
39:49they they had this Shawn Tucker angle but like what if that's not a thing this year because they immediately paid for
39:54Kenny Gainwell. I was like maybe Sean Tucker's not a real part of this offensive plans and uh I still kind of
40:00feel that way. Uh we'll see if I proved to be wrong but at least he >> No, you're I think you're right. I mean,
40:06I'm surprised because they tendered him, but then they they played uh Josh Williams ahead of him. They made they made Tucker take a pay cut to stay. Uh
40:15we had Silva jumped on with me and Eric Bour and he just like just such a dirt bag move, you know? It's like
40:22>> it could have been, man, cuz they were talking.
40:23>> I mean, I still think it is. I still think it is like >> it is >> they tendered him, you know? Don't tend
40:28let the guy go to free agency. I mean, the tags pissed me off to begin with because it's like, oh, you're free
40:33agent. Actually, you're not. And then actually, even though we hit you with this tag, we're now going to cut you right before the season, which is
40:41>> This is the worst players union there is in sports.
40:44>> It's so bad, dude. It's so bad.
40:47>> Yeah. I mean, >> they give up so much, man.
40:51>> Like every time it's like, "Oh, new contract. What are you going to give up us? Nothing. We're giving up nothing." I
40:57mean, think about we have a dude like George Pickkins that who like proved like his worth going to a team is like
41:02he's like playing on a franchise tag this year. Like can't he get like rewarded for it? I mean eventually I assume he will, but like it just sucks
41:08he can't immediately say like catch it.
41:11>> It really sucks. And like hey if the Cowboys aren't willing to pay him after that that's fine. Someone else will like
41:18you know that's how it should work. It's just yeah I mean what's it free agency basically doesn't even exist. But that's
41:25how this game I think does like, you know, go under and potentially disappoints is you've got the Bengals doing their new thing and it's not
41:32really working early in the game and the Bucks have this healthy offensive line and we'll see the adjustments the because the Bengals definitely were
41:39aware of how bad they were against the run last year. I mean, they obviously trade basically the number 10 pick for
41:44Dexter Lawrence. They signed Jonathan Allen. They signed Boy Maf and they also know that they sucked against tight ends because they signed Brian Cook from the
41:52Chiefs and K they added Kyle Duggar. So like cuz the two things we just like everyone knew like a giant northstar at
41:58like by like week six last year was like well you're just going to play every tight end and running back against the
42:03Bengals like this is like what we're doing.
42:05>> Yeah.
42:06>> They kind of at least said like we know that too this year we'll see how early it comes together. It's like the one
42:12lesson I think you learned too from the game last night is like you can make a lot of moves on defense and it looks
42:16good on paper but like it's still like these guys need time to gel, need time to practice, right? Like >> that's true on offense too. like the
42:23Jaguars didn't really click down, you know, until down the stretch. And, >> you know, I think they probably clicked in ways that they were surprised they
42:29were clicking, right? Like Parker Washington emerges as a huge part of the offense late in the season. And and so, yeah, there's like an element of this
42:37like you can you can make legitimate big improvements on one side of the ball, it it might not materialize right away,
42:44>> right? And the I'm also interested to see uh Zack Robinson's imprint on this offense because when they got when Grizzard got the job last year, the
42:53first thing he talked about was like throwing the ball downfield. And it was like dude did you not just watch Liam
42:58Con like what worked? Like you don't want to do any of that stuff that worked and he's like no we want to go
43:03downfield. And I do think Zack Robinson's offense is going to look a lot more adjacent to the Liam Cohen offense. He was there when you know
43:10Baker made that pit stop through the Rams with with Liam Cohen. And I also think Zack Robinson didn't get a chance
43:16to run his offense in Atlanta because remember year one he got put in the spot where Kurt Cousins was coming off that
43:23Achilles and just couldn't move. So they just had to basically be a 100% gun team uh because Kurt Cousins was just he he
43:31was stationary and then Pennix had never played that. So like Penn just got inserted. So I don't even think we really saw him ever really run his
43:38offense in Atlanta. And I do think it'll be a lot more like uh what we saw from Liam Cohen in uh you know two years ago
43:47with the Bucks. Uh and I think that we'll see more running back throws and and things like that of that nature. So
43:52yeah, I mean Bucky was a guy that I think ended I ended up coming around a little bit around on. Obviously we still
43:56have to see like if he's still getting like the route participation stuff, but I do think he's going to get goal line
44:01work. Uh I think he'll be the first guy to get a crack at it and he'll get early down receiving stuff too. And the fact
44:06that McMillan is out in this game, I think helps Ibuka and Godwin because you and I were big Ted Hurst guys. But
44:15buddy, he's about to be a sacrificial X to DJ Turner in week one. Like he is just going out here. You occupy their
44:21best defender and Chris Godwin and Ibuka are going to go Z slot and like >> if you don't think I'm about to not
44:27about the victory lap, 83% route participation for Ted Hurst in week one.
44:31Even though >> best ball he catch one, man. Just catch one. Yeah, catch one. I I I have this guy in the 20th round in a lot of
44:39leagues, so that's fine.
44:41>> Just catch one, Todd, baby. Like, that's all you need.
44:43>> Sacrifice his ass.
44:45>> Give him a 100%, man. But I do think it sets up well for, you know, Godwin and Ibuka.
44:52The fact that you remove a guy that we know at least had like a little bit of target earning equity. And I mean, there
44:59like DJ Turner was so awesome last year.
45:02uh you get these guys free away from him.
45:05>> Yeah. Yeah. Um no, I I Well, between Godwin and Ibuka, what what is your your read there? Because it doesn't seem like
45:13this tow injury is like ultimately that big a deal. Little bit of a concern in, you know, the final weeks of drafts and
45:18you saw Ibuka fall into like the late fourth. Um, >> I didn't take a ton of him there and not because I was that worried about the
45:26toe, but because I was like, well, T-Mac's still here, >> so can I just take him? Um, you know, so I I don't
45:34>> He's a dude I got early and then he was the first spike from that group, remember?
45:39>> Yeah, he spiked.
45:40>> He was the first guy to spike. Uh, and then cuz then when the injury happened, I never like chased back when he fell
45:46because I had already had early and then I was like, well, why am I going to take the hurt guy like you know?
45:51>> Yeah. Yeah. But Godwin moved up and I think rightfully so. It seems like they've been pleased with the way Godwin
45:57looks and I wonder if I I expect I could be the number one obviously, but I wonder if the gap's not that big between
46:04those two guys.
46:05>> It it definitely there's a chance it couldn't be. I mean, Godwin was he was coming back from like a horrific injury
46:10uh last year. Uh like multiple points of like a broken leg, torn ligaments. Like the fact that he >> wasn't really useful at all last year
46:19and it was a complete lost season, I don't think is shocking. Um you know, given his age, too. So, he's coming back
46:24healthy. Everything seems to be on track and he can move around a little bit. I don't think we're going to see him like
46:29when I say like this team, this offense is going to look a lot like the Liam Cohen offense. I don't think that means
46:33Godwin's going to go back to having like a touching all those screens or anything either, but uh I do think we're going to
46:40get a lot of like that that shorter uh like intermediate like play action passing and stuff like that. So, >> I like these two guys just fact that
46:47they're not going against DJ Turner and probably won't have to. Um, but I do think that this game ultimately from like a point total stance like stands
46:54out like for the ones we're going to talk about as being the one that could be like a little bit of like a fantasy
46:58trap.
46:59>> Uh, for the reasons we talked about to this point.
47:02>> Yeah, I I agree with you there. Um, all right. Saints at Lions. Uh, this game now did you who who should be the
47:12because I think I think the late game is where was where where I think the wagon is. Okay. What about you?
47:19>> Do it. No, I'm fine leaving that because I saw someone their bold prediction for week one was I think it might have been
47:25Harmon said the Chargers are going to score 50 in week one.
47:30>> Okay, I'm excit I'm excited to talk about that one. Um, >> but this game as though this game has the two Mad Man head coaches. So like
47:37this I think this is the one game where you look at like in general like has like a clearer path to like be fun all
47:44around.
47:46>> Well, all right. Let me let me ask you that on the on the Saints side. Are we 100% sure that Kell Moore is a madman?
47:52Because they passed a lot last year.
47:55They played fast, >> but they like straight up didn't have a running back.
47:59>> No. No.
48:00>> You know, they So, >> or what if >> right now? I mean, the offensive line's solid now. Like, what if they
48:06>> They all hurt.
48:08>> Right. Right. If they if they >> feel better about their ability to run the ball. I mean, obviously with the
48:14Eagles, Moore was was very runheavy.
48:16this isn't that team and he was more willing to pass uh you know with the Cowboys and stuff but I'm not 100% sure
48:24that his plan with Tyler Shuck in year two is to just like chuck it a bunch and and really lean on Shuck. I mean, part
48:32of it comes from my skepticism of Shuck, who last season in in EPA per game, very similar to toabiloa to Bryce Young. He
48:40was below Kurt Cousins, very similar to Aaron Rodgers there. Better success rate than Rogers, but I mean, wasn't much above Rattler in in EPA. So, it's look,
48:51if we're saying, hey, this guy was a rookie, he can take a step forward. They had a Jordan Tyson. Uh, you once he's
48:57back, Shuck could like really be cooking. Cool. I'm good. Like I I I see the upside case, but like I don't know.
49:05It's like a baseline, you know, most likely scenario that this offense is going to be really built around Shuck just slinging it. I think it would,
49:14especially with the way the NFL is going right now, like wouldn't it make more sense actually if they pivoted to more
49:18of a balanced approach and use Shuck?
49:21What they know they have in Chuck were like, he can run for first down. He's actually like way more mobile than I
49:26think pretty much everyone thought coming in. It's been that part of it has been really fun. He can he can hit big
49:30plays downfield. They've got a guy in a lav who can really, you know, deliver chunk plays, 10 plus yards downfield, all that stuff. They got a passcatching
49:38tight end. Tyson will, I think, elevate the offense once back. But, you know, week one without Tyson, I mean, I not
49:46100% sure that their plan is to get into a full-blown shootout here. I mean a big picture I think I 100% agree with you
49:52with if you just look at the moves that they made you know getting David Edwards and you spending for Travis uh HN uh
49:58which still feels weird to say uh but the thing is >> I'm wait I'm waiting for prime time and for them to do the announcement when he
50:07when he introduced himself that's yeah right now I'm saying like >> etchen and I I know I'm doing it wrong.
50:12Yeah, it just feels weird, right? It's not natural because you look at it on paper and it's not spelled like Hchan.
50:19We have an HAN like like it's it's hard to like to get over that hump. But I agree with you big picture what their
50:26plan is, but they're sevenpoint road dogs in Detroit and I just feel like they're going to get pushed into this direction here.
50:34I actually do agree with you. I think the top down plan is to be more balanced and run the football and to do those
50:39things. I just think that when you look at the way this game >> this game sets up like because the one
50:46thing we can count on is that like tried is the Lions at home, right? Like Lions at home.
50:51>> Uh they've just been in these spots uh league best cover rate at home uh since Dan Campbell's taken over. Uh we've seen
50:59like you everyone knows the golf splits at home. You've seen those at Nauseium.
51:03And the other thing too like golf is awesome when like he faces teams that like have like no pass rush and they
51:10pass rush.
51:10>> They don't have a pass rush, man. Like they didn't add anyone uh you know to to actually both these teams lost like
51:17pieces on defense to potentially even push this thing even further. Saints lost a little bit less. Alante Taylor and Deario Davis, they've got some
51:25backend pieces. Lions lost a lot of backend stuff. Obviously, their safeties are hurt and they're not going to start the year, but they had to release Terry
51:33Arnold. Uh they lost Meek uh Robertson.
51:36They lost Alex Analone. They lost DJ Reer. Roy Lopez and the dudes that they brought in are just that like the
51:44castoffs guys that have been a lot of places. Devin White, Chuck Clark, uh like these are guys that have >> they're having to pay their guys now.
51:51They're thinning out. They're just thinning out.
51:53>> That's and that it's great for fantasy.
51:55Like like oh like you you you drafted well and you had success.
51:59>> Why is it test laws? You're a wide receiver three. Great.
52:02What's funny about Brad Holmes is like he got cart blanch early on but like he's drafted like really horribly and like he's made some egregious trades
52:10like the trade up for Sion Vaky >> what are we doing man but >> the guys that he hit on really good
52:18players >> yeah I mean he's kind of I mean like Gibb the Gibbs thing you're like well I mean I think he's going to be good but
52:27I'm surprised you traded or not trade up but you took uh did they trade up they took a running back early in the first.
52:32I can't remember if they trade up now.
52:34>> No, but you know, it's like >> did they trade up for that one? I can't remember.
52:37>> Maybe they didn't.
52:38>> They traded for one of those because they took two first rounders. It was, you know, Gibbs and Jack Campbell were
52:42the two guys they took.
52:43>> Right. Right.
52:45>> Yeah. And then they did they did trade up for Tesla, which was nuts.
52:48>> And Vaky, like who never even played real football like really?
52:53>> I mean, he he's kind of he might matter now, >> but I mean it's him or Sailors. like I uh
53:01you know like I was looking at the Lions side of this and you're like okay Lions are at home. Saints big run funnel last
53:09year opponents had a 56% pass rate against the Saints with a minus 5% proe um >> they trailed for the most snaps of any
53:18team in the past decade >> the Saints did >> yeah last year.
53:22>> Wow. Wow. That's a that's an interesting nugget. Um >> they led at some point in just eight games last year.
53:32That's wild, man. Um, that's really wild. The, uh, so anyway, you look at the Saints and the way the Lions could
53:42play this. Like, if they had David Montgomery here, you'd be like, I mean, they might run the ball 40 times, you
53:48know, but they're not like, how are they going to run the ball 40 times? They they only so much Gibbs can handle,
53:54right? He's only had one 25 plus career game in his entire career. That was week eight of 2023. He's hit 20 plus rushes
54:02just six times in 49 career games. I recognize that he's been with David Montgomery, but that's not really the type of running back he is, right? You
54:10don't just like load him up with a ton of carries and they don't have a backup functionally. So, I you you and then you
54:18look at this matchup as well, like what else could you do? Well, they don't have a pass rush. Jared Goff's probably gonna
54:24cook them. And Drew Pig was like really down to pass the ball with Jacobe Brassette last year. So maybe they're just like, "Let's just win this game.
54:34Let's score a lot of points." Like Dan Dan Campbell's down. So I I I agree with you. If if the point on the Saints side
54:42of this is, hey, it doesn't matter what they're trying to do. They're about to be 10 points down for a whole football
54:49game if they're lucky.
54:52I think I think you're right. I think it's a good read on it. And uh and the Lions I just don't I see I mean the
54:58other thing is if the Lions just decided to give Gibbs 30 carries, he'd be awesome. Like it would work.
55:04>> Well, remember too the Lions uh they play in Buffalo on Thursday next week.
55:09Like why would you give Jir Gibbs 30 touch or 30?
55:14>> At least it would be an egregious management of him, >> right? Actually really thought about that angle. You're the first one I heard
55:19that to talk about that angle about being even more bullish of the Lions throwing and scoring points.
55:26>> Yeah. Like I have a but but the funny thing is like if they play it strangely, >> they'll still put up a ton of points
55:34because they give Jir Gibbs 30 carries in this game. He's going to nuke. So it's like hard to >> it's hard to see how they don't put up
55:42points.
55:43>> Um and yeah, so I think the Saints are going to be trailing for a bunch.
55:47There's not a ton like you know I think Amanra locked in. Jameson Williams looks like a great play. Laorta looks healthy
55:53and back. So to your point on you know this offense really getting more concentrated. The defense is getting thinned out. Um Lions game should be a
56:03lot of fun this year.
56:04>> Yeah. I mean that week two game I mean opening that new stadium in Buffalo looks like a real awesome time man. I
56:11can't wait for that.
56:12>> Yeah man. Yeah, >> it's a bummer it's a Thursday game, but also like, you know, I'd still gonna be excited.
56:18>> Agreed. Um >> especially with uh Josh coming off a face in the Texans.
56:24H >> how confident are you are are you in in Olive in particular and and and Jawan Johnson I'll throw out as well. Um
56:33>> and ETN as a as a pass catcher because >> if they're trailing right in the the pass volume's up, you know, is this is
56:40this them kind of keeping pace or is this them, you know, falling further behind because they're they're they're forcing it through the air and it's not
56:49it's not clicking >> right. And I think that's the the worry of the game maybe not going crazy is like we are just like assuming like
56:55Shuck can answer this, >> right? Like >> Right. Which I'm not 100% sure he can.
57:00>> Yeah. And I don't think we should be.
57:02Uh, but I do think that like matchup wise just from like the secondary being so bad that a lav is set up just like re
57:09in a in a really great spot and then like remember after the trader Rashid Shahed because the do that the way the
57:15dominoes fell is that elevated Vle into the offense who Kell Moore uh said the one regret he has from last year was not
57:23getting him involved in the offense before the Shahed trade. But it opened up Chris Ave to like this just higher depth of target because he was he became
57:32the lid lifter in the offense. I mean his ADOT everything went up and now we don't have Tyson. So I think a lav is
57:38going to occupy those same types of targets and offer you high leverage targets. So paired with this game script and the the Detroit secondary banged up
57:46like I'm pretty confident in a still being able to do uh his job and then Vle I think gets a bump. They only kept four
57:53receivers on the roster right now and I assume that they will add someone or elevate someone from the practice squad.
57:59Uh but it's basically it it's Vle and Jawan Johnson as the only pass catchers we could trust because Barry and Brown
58:07and Bryce Lance are they haven't played like how can we trust either of those guys. Uh, so I think it's gonna be very
58:14concentrated in a game script where they have to throw at least from a volume stance. Like you're you're not expecting like the moon out of guys like Vele, but
58:21I do think, you know, he's in he's 3500 on DraftKings. Like there's definitely a world where he gets eight to 10 targets
58:29at 3500. Uh, so you just hope he gets into the box. Um, you season long stuff like you're probably not getting week
58:35one to define >> but Johnson I think is startable. Yeah, I mean I have a I have a dynasty league where I had Brock Bowers as a tight end
58:45obviously not being able to play him.
58:47>> Then I was like, "All right, Kyle Pittz, you know, and then the Cooper Rush stuff like I don't know about that." So I'm
58:53I'm playing Jawan Johnson.
58:54>> Yeah, I would play Jan Johnson.
58:55>> I feel good about it.
58:56>> Yeah, I think so.
58:57>> I mean, I feel better if I could play Bowers.
58:59>> Well, they said that the Detroit loses Analone, uh, who was one of their better coverage linebackers. And also, Johnson isn't a typical tight end. uh he only
59:07played 40% of his snaps in line and against slot tight ends, Detroit was 23rd in yards or target and 20th in
59:14touchdown rate allowed. So like I do think things set up for Johnson really well uh in this game. Like like I said
59:21from a like there is the the Shuck wild card of like there is a a lower flare than I think people assume because I
59:27think Shuck's going to be a pretty popular like cheapy play too. But the from a target stance, those three guys I
59:34think are gonna get so many targets that they can get over still.
59:39>> It's the fourth quarter is really going to matter for the Shuck play.
59:45>> You need a productive fourth.
59:46>> Absolutely.
59:48>> I think I might be like, I'm so smart.
59:51>> And then I'm at least keeping open mind that maybe he's okay in this matchup. Uh you know, like next week at Baltimore,
59:58I'll feel a little lot more hesitant.
60:01Yeah, agreed. Um, yeah, >> I would rather play golf though if I had a choice. Like I'm definitely choosing golf over the shuck angle.
60:08>> Oh, golf. I think golf could go nuts in part because you know Gibbs some of his work should be receiving game.
60:16>> Your angle like this is a a I view them as like an intelligent operation.
60:22>> Yeah. Uh, and the fact they play on Thursday and you bringing up them not having backups and Gibbs, like they
60:27don't want they don't want to give this dude 25 carries week one, right?
60:30>> I don't I really don't think so.
60:32>> I And that's the first time first I heard of that angle. Uh, >> all right.
60:36>> I love that. I dig it.
60:39>> Um, all right. Yeah, let's talk the Ravens. Their defense, you know, they they've now got uh new head coach Jesse
60:46Mter running things and, you know, that's exciting. But then Declan Doyle on the offensive side, we'll get to I'm even more excited about. But this is a
60:55defense that now has Trey Hendrickson.
60:58Nami Matabke is going to be back, you know, come back from a neck injury. Oh, he's out. Okay.
61:03>> Yeah, >> he's they ruled him out.
61:05>> Um, but you know, this this defense under Mter should be better. Kind of like Harbaugh had kind of run out of ideas
61:12slashg guys that were giving him good ideas. Um, and so, you know, the defense should be improved from last year. And
61:20then, you know, on the Colt side, obviously, Daniel Jones coming off this Achilles tear. Uh, Alec Pierce will play, but is dealing with this ankle
61:28injury that, you know, cost him basically off camp. So, it's like hard to see the Colts passing game hitting hitting the ground running. The run game
61:37could for sure. Um, you know, and I trust Jonathan Taylor to be efficient even in in tough spots, but how worried
61:43are you about the Colts in this first game back for Jones?
61:46>> Yeah, it's it's a little worrisome. So, first of all, the Colts like absolutely smashed Jesse Miner last year. Like, they went into LA and put 30 point 38
61:54points up on him. So, Shane Stiken h was dialing up a lot of really good stuff in that game. But, I do think the health of
62:00Alec Pierce is like pretty paramount to this offense. uh because he is the only guy to make the defense like respect
62:09like any type of downfield like passing, right? Uh and that's that's the wild card. He needs to be healthy. Uh with
62:16Alec Pierce off the field the past two years and this is 155 rush sample. It's not like a couple games worth like we
62:23got 155 rushes. Jonathan Taylor has faced eight or more defenders in the box on 43% of his runs. But with Ale Pierce
62:32on the field, it goes down to 28%.
62:35>> Yeah, you have to >> This is This is why Yeah.
62:37>> You need >> There's so much about the run in the past.
62:40>> Yeah.
62:41>> Yeah.
62:41>> And and remember the Colts and it wasn't just a a Philip Rivers the injury to Daniel Jones because we had started to
62:47see this the last month of Daniel Jones.
62:48I know he also was playing through an injury, but so much of the Colts takeoff last year was predicated on that RPO
62:55play action game. And like they need that they need that to be uh systemic of this offense and a guy like Alec Pierce
63:04like the the fact that he draws a defender over the top. U and maybe just the fact that he's in a uniform out
63:10there is enough to do it. I don't know.
63:12U you know we actually don't we have no idea like really how healthy he is or like what to expect. But he's dressing
63:19he's dressing so that's a positive right? Like >> yeah I don't know. I mean, it's his ability to actually draw defensive
63:27coverage like you're saying and so much of their success last year was like showing the run and then passing, >> but then if you if you're showing the
63:35run and you have Jonathan Taylor and you don't take that seriously, that can go pretty bad for you as well in an
63:41explosive way. So, they're they were they were, you know, a really fun offense because I mean they were I would go so far as to say a wagon. They were
63:51they were >> they were like setting records.
63:54>> Yeah. I mean they were they they were explosive in both. They're putting you in a run past conflict and then if you
64:01guessed wrong it was a potential explosive, you know, regardless of what they had selected. So that that's what made them so fun. And then they get rid
64:10of Pitman and they clearly prioritize Pierce, which from a fantasy perspective was was odd, right? Like Pierce wasn't this big target earner really. And I
64:21think I still am very skeptical of a lot of the stuff about him becoming like a true number one wide receiver.
64:26>> I think they realized just for their particular offense, he was >> particular offense.
64:30>> Yeah. I I think that's mostly what drove it where it's like we need this guy to make everything else work and we can
64:37find a possession receiver. I mean, they literally just brought in Keenan Allen like you know and Josh DS can do some of
64:42the Pitman stuff. Like there are other guys who can do the Pitman stuff, but but Pierce is sort of the harder player
64:49to find. Um at least performing at the level that he was performing, you know, in that downfield role.
64:55>> 100%.
64:56>> Um yeah.
64:59Well, uh you know, as you look at the the rest of the offense, I mean, if if Pierce isn't 100%, which I think is
65:08probably going to be the case, although you know, he should play.
65:11>> We lean that way. Yeah. Does that then have, you know, effects where like Josh DS isn't stretching the defense downfield? He's actually also like
65:21Taylor benefiting from Pierce doing that. Keenan Allen the same way. So Pierce is really like integral to the just to create space, right? Like
65:31>> yes.
65:33um if they if they don't have that, how how you know is this is this kind of a bleak outlook for the Colts or even
65:42with like 80% pierce, do you think they'll be all right here?
65:46>> I mean, I wish I had like a a great answer. Um because this game, you know, you would love to say like it has chance
65:52to be it's indoors. You've got obviously if the Colts can channel what they had at the offensive last year and then
65:57you've got a healthy Lamar uh with a good mindset to open the year like this game could could be fun like like
66:04absolutely like we could look like we could flip over the cards on Monday and be like these two teams combined for 60
66:09points like yeah we like there was that was in the I think it's just a if this game has a wider scope of variance
66:15because of just the all the moving parts in it but I do think it's a game you do I think want to stack in DFS just in
66:22case >> like just in Um because I do think it has that potential but it has a very wide range of outcomes because the core piece of
66:30this game like you're largely playing anyways and you manage stuff. Uh you know you're always playing Jonathan Taylor, you're playing Derrick Henry,
66:36you're playing Lamar, uh you're playing Tyler Warren, like your decision points are basically like Josh DS like like what are you doing with Josh D.
66:44>> And I didn't mention Warren when talking about the cult stuff but I think he also benefits from you know that space
66:49opening up from the other guys. He's more of a yak guy, more in kind of the Tucker Craft mold of of tight end as
66:56opposed to like a downfield field stretcher. But, you know, I think he's pretty good and I think he'll be the the
67:03focal point of the passing off. Like, as far as, you know, I'm setting lines to like lead the team in targets, I I would
67:09pick Warren as the favorite.
67:10>> Yes. Me, too. Um, but you know, at the same time, if Pierce, if they're just saying like, look, we know what you're trying to do. Daniel
67:21Jones isn't isn't really, you know, going to threaten as a runner today. And so, you're just going to try to get us
67:28with a bunch of RPO stuff that's not particularly deep or run. And Pierce can't really threaten 20 plus yards downfield like he usually can. It could
67:38just get kind of like bottled up.
67:40>> Yep. in a way that's that's frustrating.
67:42And then on the Ravens side, >> I mean, this Colts defense, they should be really good in coverage now, right? I
67:47mean, you have you have Ward and Gardner back. I mean, they dealt with obviously the Gardner injury >> and then and then Ward had concussions.
67:55Yeah. So, I mean, this should be an awesome quarterback duo in a way that doesn't show up in the numbers last
68:01year.
68:02>> Deorest Buckner missed seven games last year, too, and he's going against a guy starting his first game at center.
68:08>> Yeah. So I I think you know you talk about the wide range of outcomes. This could be a defensive battle.
68:14>> It could be. Yeah 100%. And the big Lou is familiar with Lamar too like >> Right. Guess that's a good point.
68:22>> So I mean yeah I feel like this game has a it either I think it either pops or it kind of lets down. It's like there's no
68:28I feel like there's no middle middle crowd.
68:33>> Yeah. I don't know like what I'm doing about it though, right? Like I'm not benching Henry or no >> Taylor obviously or Flowers.
68:41>> I probably would like not start Mark Andrews if I had another option. Well, maybe saying that. But but Andrews doesn't have to face the quarterbacks.
68:47So he's not like as >> you know it's I I guess I won't. It's it's a wait andsee spot for Jacobe Lane.
68:54Is that that the action we'll take?
68:56>> Yeah. I mean, the one I'm very curious because all the signal for the Ravens this year has been like this team's
69:02going to run like a different offense cuz they and they threw a lot more with Todd Mona and they added under center
69:07stuff, but they were still the Ravens at their heart. like they still had Patrick Ricard, they still played two tight ends
69:13and they let Isa they lose Ricard and Isaiah likely to the Giants of course but they don't even have a fullback on
69:20the roster and they didn't they replace Likely with two day three tight ends like and Jacobe Lane they used the good
69:27equity on he's gotten a lot of buzz this summer uh Baitman's been openly talking about how he's moving around for the
69:32first time in his career and like there's a lot of signal that they want to be like an 11 personnel based team
69:38and they didn't do that at all in the preseason. So, like I like scratched in my head that they want did they just not
69:43want to reveal any of that? Lamar also didn't play. So, maybe it was just like a we're not revealing anything thing.
69:48>> Um cuz all the signal to me is like this is an 11 personnel offense now which we haven't seen like really Lamar ever
69:54operate in.
69:56>> Yeah, man. That could be really fun. I I agree with you by the way about the ceiling. I I think I see more the floor
70:02as far as like >> Yeah. for for health reasons on the Colts offensive side and actually for health reasons on the Colts defensive
70:10side, they you know they should be quite a bit healthier. Um but I also have a lot of optimism for Doyle coming in here
70:19and you know he he was with Shawn Payeyton in New Orleans and then uh tight end's coach under him in uh with
70:28the Broncos and then he was the Bears offensive coordinator last year. He's 30 years old and I think one of these guys
70:35who could be a head coach in a year or two, >> you know, as one of these like young offensive minds. So,
70:42>> from a seasonl long perspective, I've been excited about the Ravens wanting to to invest in them. I this isn't like an
70:49ideal week one matchup, but um if they're if they make as big a leap as they definitely can with Lamar Jackson
70:56as their quarterback and and potentially the most creative offense he's ever run, >> then it's like not we're not going to be
71:02like caring that much about I mean you want to talk about potential wagons, you know? Yeah.
71:06>> By week three be like >> doesn't really matter who the Ravens are playing. It matters that they're the Ravens, you know.
71:13>> Yeah. I mean, that's why I was like, you know, using one of those late picks on Baitman, you know, it probably was like
71:18more hoping because I liked it as a prospect, but the fact that, you know, and then he had the the off-field stuff
71:24that kind of showed up too, but it doesn't seem like that's going to be something that we're going to have to
71:29deal with yet.
71:30>> Uh, but the fact that he's going to move around because he's another one of those guys that just been stuck on the line of
71:34scrimmage his whole career because of the offense he's been in. Uh, because he's not as dynamic as a Flowers to overcome those things. No, no. But that
71:41if they're he's a guy though that if if Lane if they go to 11 personnel Lane is you know playing X uh in your free like
71:49yes then I think there's a lot more opportunity because I still think he has talent cuz you you see like all the
71:55separation metrics like he still shows up as a separator >> um every single year.
72:00>> Yes.
72:01>> Like the the open score stuff for him is just nuts. Um, but >> I'm definitely watching it because I will he's a guy that I want to watch in
72:10these leagues because he wasn't drafted in a lot of leagues and probably not a lot of home leagues, but he's a guy I
72:15think I would snap scoop up if like >> he has like a real high route participation and a high slot rate. I
72:20think I would be and doesn't necessarily even have a good gameweek one. I would add him to the end of rosters for sure.
72:27>> I could see that for sure. Um, all right, let's we got to pick up the pace a little bit and we I have just the game
72:32for us here. Jets at Titans. Uh this this one I don't think we need to spend a ton of time on. Although um I will
72:42say, you know, I'm I'm somewhat optimistic about the Jets in this spot >> given their offensive line looking like it could actually be pretty damn good
72:51and at kind of minimum it should be, you know, middle of the road. Uh Bree Hall I think has a lot more upside to catch
72:57passes than he did last year in part because I think Frank Reich knows what he's doing more so than Tanner Angstrom
73:04did. But I also think that uh this offense, you know, the the design of it is one thing, but then just like the
73:13play calling uh run pass splits. I don't I don't expect them to like cower, you know, this year like where they're just
73:21like we can't we can't pass the ball because we might that might look bad and embarrassing. So, we're just going to
73:27run the ball and go home with our loss.
73:29I think they might actually try to win games this year, which is obviously welcome if you're if you're betting on the running back. So, I think I think
73:36Hall has, you know, the potential to catch a lot more balls, but then also run more effectively behind a pretty good offensive line. Garrett Wilson's a
73:46star. Um, I think Eddie Mitchell will probably help them in sort of an Alec Piery type of way, you know, first and
73:53foremost, but, you know, he can draw some targets as well. and uh you know Omar Cooper I think will will be helpful
73:59out of the slot. Um this offense like kind of has all the things it like if it wasn't for Gino Smith being 35 and awful
74:08last year. I think I would like fully be buying in on the Jets. Also, you know, Frank Reich's not a great coach. He's
74:14just not truly truly crap. But um and also like their head coach is like probably going to get fired before the
74:22season ends. But other other than like some glaring glaring red flags, you can kind of talk yourself into the Jets this
74:29year and especially in a match up against the Titans.
74:32>> Yeah, I've been waiting for the like well I was I was playing them through best, but I've been waiting to play them
74:37for DFS. So I shied a little bit away from manage because uh they have the late buy and I was just concerned like
74:44if there's not enough wins, they have to play Kubnik the last month and it's like that's fantasy crunch time. like I still
74:51think he's drawing probably really live.
74:53So it's like how do we play this? And I'm like well I just kind of coped and said well the way I'm gonna play the
74:58Jets is like through DFS like to open year and then baseball cuz who cares?
75:02But >> um I actually think I actually think Gino Smith is going to be relatively solid in this spot. So Gino Smith over
75:09the course of his career is like one of the most pressure sensitive QBs and yeah he was trash last year but remember the
75:16Raiders offensive line situation last year >> Pet son first of all was coaching the offensive line uh Colt Miller went down
75:25Jackson Powers Johnson went down this is a way better offensive line than what he had uh he's got better a better weaponry
75:32on paper um and so I actually think he's going to he's been able to facilitate at least I think it's going be functional
75:39at least a lot more than we saw at the Raiders. Um I think this particular matchup is tough for them to run the
75:44football still. We talked about the Titans a lot last year and they actually added to their defensive line getting John Franklin Meyers this year. Uh they
75:51didn't allow one RB1 scoring week the final 10 games last year. They allowed the lowest yards before contact to running backs and they allowed the
75:59lowest yards per carry. And remember this is a team that was terrible and faced a lot of runs because yeah they
76:04weren't winning games. But I look at Garrett Wilson in this spot. They were horrendous against wide receivers and their big move was to spend overpay for
76:13cornerbacks that weren't particularly good. They got Cordell Flot and Alante Taylor is who they spent big money on.
76:19But Elante Taylor had his breakout last year playing in the slot for the Saints.
76:22The year before that he played outside quarterback and gave up the most receiving yards in the NFL. And they are asking him to play outside quarterback
76:30here because of the money they gave him.
76:32So, I look at Garrett Wilson in week one and I'm like, man, he looks like a really in a really favorable spot. Uh,
76:39if we can get just like enough dropbacks here, but I think we're going to get drop backs because of the Titans run
76:43defense. If it's as good as what it was, I think they're going to throw and Garrett Wilson could smash in smash in
76:49the spot. He was Garrett Wilson led the team in receiving yards and played 19 snaps after week six.
76:56Like, >> yeah, man. I mean I mean it's like Brady Cook was playing by the end of the year.
77:01So, what what was what was everyone else supposed to do? But, yeah, it's uh it's interesting because I think like I do
77:12think the the offensive coordinator upgrade combined with the quarterback change where you have you go from Justin Fields um and Trod Taylor.
77:23>> Yeah.
77:24>> To a guy who is just a straightup pocket passer at this point. like the the pass attempt per drop back rate should be a
77:31lot higher and then the drop back rate should also be a lot higher and it's just it's just going to be a more
77:38traditional offense which is really nice if you're trying to bet on pass catchers um and and like as good as Wilson is I
77:48think Eddie Mitchell can play >> Omar Cooper was a first round pick I don't think he's going to be like he's
77:52literally nothing all year so there is some target competition and Kenyan Sadique will probably have a role by the end of the season. So, he kind of need
78:00Garrett Wilson kind of needs uh there to be like sufficient dropback volume.
78:06Things could get shakier as the season goes on. Um obviously like if if they lose a bunch of games and Glenn gets
78:13fired, they they could bench Smith ultimately. We could be looking at Clubnick. Like this could get ugly, but it's a you know, it's a sunny
78:22September afternoon. You know, that's what those those are winter problems, baby.
78:25>> Yeah. We'll deal with that then.
78:28>> Yeah, deal with that later.
78:30>> We'll deal with that.
78:31>> And that's what I kind That's how I kind of treated the Jets. I was like I was like, yeah, like I see a lot of problems
78:35down the line, so I'm going to be a little skeptical, but right now right now it's like, let's get another round.
78:47>> This night's probably going to end in disaster, but it's it's nice out. So yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you on the Jets. I'm kind
78:57of intrigued by them here. Titans less intrigued by. I mean, obviously the Jets defense is not going to be good, but I'm
79:03just not sure what the Titans are going to be able to do even in in matchups like this. You know, I I don't trust the
79:10run game. I don't trust Cam Ward. And and while I do believe in Carnell Tate, I'm not sure that week one is the is the
79:17the week that he's going to really help me out. So, it's more of like an information gathering week for me on the
79:23Titans. There's not like really a single Titan who jumps out as someone I'm excited about this week.
79:28>> Down the line, I could see Tate emerging as like a, you know, a star. Like I think he has he was the fourth world
79:34picked. You know, he could be a true star, someone who's able to emerge um as a playmaker even in a very un ideal
79:41situation. Or maybe Ward takes a step forward over the course of the year and, you know, that that helps him out as
79:46well. But week one, even against the Jets, I I just don't really see much fantasy goodness here at all.
79:51>> Yeah. I mean, Cam Ward, we were in very much in a zone where like he's got to show us something. Like, it's just
79:58really hard to have a lot of blind faith, right? Uh I mean, this this preseason, it was, and I don't know,
80:02it's just preseason, I don't know, crazy, but he was awful. Like, awful.
80:06>> Yeah.
80:07>> Um and and the Jets are basically redoing their entire defense. So, like maybe there's an opportunity here because they they have seven new
80:14starters basically on defense.
80:16>> Uh and you can kind of catch them in that gel period. But like this is a spot where especially because of what I just
80:21said.
80:22>> He can catch him in the jail period in January. I'm pretty sure.
80:25>> But like dude like he show this but I I expect something from Cam Ward here and like I can't have any confidence in it.
80:31But like like this is a spot where I'm like dude like you got to show me something. Like you have to like you're
80:36at home against this defense starting all these new players. The secondary is still really weak. Uh their second round pick D'Angelo Ponds isn't playing.
80:45I mean they you gotta you got to show me more of this.
80:48>> What do you mean? What do you mean I gotta I don't got to do anything.
80:54>> Oh yeah.
80:55>> That's what I'm What do you mean?
80:57>> Yeah.
80:58>> I just don't believe it. I don't >> I know. Yeah. Yeah.
81:01>> But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong.
81:03That's what I'm saying. Like to me this is information gathering. Like I could be wrong.
81:07>> I don't think I'm going to be so wrong that like Ward is shipping tournaments on DK this week.
81:12>> So >> yeah. Yeah. I'd like to be wrong.
81:15Frankly, I have a lot of tape. So, I'd like to be wrong. Please prove me wrong%.
81:19>> But, you know, if but I think I'm in a situation where I can be proven wrong.
81:24Like with I was saying with the Bucks, I have some questions about the Bucks. I wrote this in the walkthrough, but like
81:29I think I can learn the answers to those questions with these guys in my lineup.
81:33Like if I drafted Chris Godwin, I'm probably playing Chris Godwin. Same with the Luca. Same with Bucky. Right?
81:37They're going in my lineup.
81:38>> I'll learn more information. I'm optimistic about what that information will be. Maybe ultimately, you know, Bucky is in more of a split than I'd
81:46like and I'm bummed, but I think it's it's safe to trust these guys. It's like the exact opposite for me with the
81:51Titans, right? I don't think it's safe to trust these guys right now.
81:54Hopefully, we get some positive information in the in the coming weeks and and that changes my mind.
82:00>> Um, all right. We we talked about the Jets and the Titans. Um, so let's talk about an even worse offense and talk
82:07about the Browns. Uh, we got Deshun Watson traveling to the Jaguars. Chat Jacksonville will take on the Jaguars.
82:14Uh more efficient over his Browns tenure than Shador Sanders, but just barely.
82:19We're going to see both these guys this year. Um we're going to see a couple rookies starting for the Browns. Uh
82:26Harold Fannon would be my favorite to lead the team of targets, but not by a lot. I think Casey Conpsion is is very
82:33live to do that as well. Um, Denzel Boston perhaps could, although I think he's more gonna be kind of more sacrificial Xcoded, but I don't know. He
82:42had a really strong camp, so so he could actually be I'm excited to see what we have in him. I was drafting a good
82:47amount of them by the end of the summer.
82:49Um, but this is I mean, Brown's offensive line is awful.
82:56Uh, Jags were pretty good against the run last year and then they were they were kind of a big play machine through
83:02the air. I think kind of a overrated by the numbers, their their pass coverage, but probably good enough for this matchup. What do you think?
83:09>> Probably. Yeah. Uh yeah, their weak spot on paper is definitely that that secondary. That's why, you know, Travis Hunter is basically be playing so much
83:16quarterback this series. He's needed he's needed to play quarterback.
83:19>> Yeah.
83:20>> Um and yeah, you know, uh if you're if you're doing anything with the Browns, it's probably just Conception and Fannon
83:27with more like PPR base. I think we're going to get it. I think the Browns are probably drawing live. to at least have
83:31the most drop backs of week one. Uh because Todd Monan is like tried and true like he'll he'll throw the piss out
83:37of the ball like if you if he has if he's put in that situation and their road dogs the uh Jacksonville already
83:43faced the most pass attempts in the NFL last year. So I think Fannon and Conception >> 69% pass rate against the Jacks last
83:50year.
83:50>> So I think at least Conception and your and Fannon like you don't know what kind of touchdown equity you're going to get
83:55in this game but I think they'll get enough catches.
83:58>> You know generally we We do. So, at least, like I said, those guys can be target earners and stack catches. Uh, and that that's where my
84:07confidence lies with the Browns.
84:10>> Um, Jaguars side, a lot more to parse here. We've got a committee backfield.
84:15We've got some uncertainty in in the wide receiver roles.
84:21I'll I'll start with Hunter where I do think he plays some on offense. I've been consistent on that. I think he's
84:27not going to play a ton though. But I was just looking at his defensive snaps last year. He had he had a game with 61%
84:33round participation where he played 67% of the defensive snaps. Um he had a game with his last two games actually were 89
84:42or 86% round participation and then 89% played 33% and 22% of the defensive snaps. Given that he's not going to plan
84:50a ton of run plays, I think his offensive snaps will be tilted towards routes. So, I was like, you know, I
84:56really wouldn't be surprised if he had like 30% round participation in this game. Are you playing Hunter? No. You know, you're not going to He's basically
85:03just be annoying. But I'm my my read on Hunter is like I think he'll be annoying. Like I think I think he's
85:09going to steal some rounds from other guys still. I know it's kind of cleaner.
85:13I feel like the fantasy community sort of flipped to where like we want Hunter to go away completely. Um, you know, the
85:21the average opinion is that we want him to go away completely because that just makes some things so much cleaner. I
85:26don't think he's going to, though. I think he will still have some role on offense. Um, which just is going to make
85:31it harder to parse uh with the other three guys. Do you do you agree with me about that? Or you think he's just going
85:36to be full-time quarterback this week?
85:39>> I think this game sets up for them to not really need him to play much offense. Uh, just like what's the point?
85:46I don't think I don't think they'll have a ton of drop backs in general versus what they'll have in like their seasonal
85:50average when we get to the end of the line. Michael Dooko, one of their uh beats, actually said he hasn't even
85:57taken a offensive snap since August 25th. Uh because I think they're just preparing for this game. Like they're I I assume that they're just not thinking
86:06about him needing to play offense in this game. uh they're probably gonna be in a run script and that's I mean I'm not saying he's
86:14gonna run zero routes but I would be surprised if like this is the game I think the games where you look at Hunter
86:19to run routes like the games where the Jags are like getting push and need to open up the offense. I think even if you
86:25hate the the matchup and who knows what we're going to get out of the Browns defense uh I still think it looks good
86:31on paper. Uh but who knows, right? Like it's just an element of variance like they Jim Schwarz is gone, Miles Garrett's gone. I think they have a lot
86:38of really good pieces. So, who knows?
86:40But I do think that just the Jaguars being home favorites against a team with a 15-point team total, we're going to
86:45get more handoffs in this game, the Jaguars will have their base average for the season.
86:50>> I agree. And to be clear, I'm not saying like he his peak was basically like 127 128% of snaps,
87:01>> you know, like I don't think >> this isn't one of those games, but I'm basically wondering, you know, if we get
87:06to where he's still playing over 100% of snaps this week um because he he is playing some on the
87:16offensive side, which is I think I don't think it'll be among the highest probably be among the lowest that he plays on offense, but I still I
87:25basically I think the floor is still some which which makes things maybe a little bit trickier for the receivers.
87:33Um like you're saying this is already going to be a low drop back volume game uh probably. So what are what are your
87:41thoughts on like Washington Thomas Meyers? You have Brenton Strange as a passcatching tight end. Um it's just crowded. This has been
87:51>> very crowded, >> you know, a tough a tough one to I found it, >> you know, in baseball, like part of the
87:56reason I wasn't that in on Parker Washington is like I don't think I want the most expensive guy here. I don't
88:01have a lot of Brian Thomas either. It's not like I I was paying up to get Thomas. Um it's like the cheaper the guy
88:07got, the more interested I was because it's like it's just hard for me to know exactly how this plays out. But in
88:12writing the article, I was looking at Parker Washington splits and stuff and his weekly game log down the stretch. It was quite good. You know, very good.
88:22>> You know, you do you do uh that jumps out to you, you know, when you got the color-coded charts, you're like, "Oh,
88:28yeah, he was uh absolutely nuking." Um >> so, obviously, I'd say he has the most upside here, but, you know, the volume side of it is a
88:38concern. Now, the nice thing about Washington is that he had a deeper A dot last season and he's kind of this like
88:44like field stretching slot as opposed to like a underneath target accumulator.
88:49And so, I think he still has a a decently high ceiling here if he is like the true number one and is able to uh
88:59capitalize on on, you know, some big plays even if dropback volume is limited against a bad team.
89:05>> Yeah. I mean, he's just has the best of both worlds role, right? Like where you look at Brian Thomas Jr., he was
89:11basically, you know, Jaguars, Alec Pierce, when these three guys played together, Jacobe Myers, Park Washington, Brian Thomas, and if he's going to be
89:18locking up with Denzel Ward, like yeah, he could still catch a touchdown, but like in a low volume game, like you
89:23probably need that. Um, the Browns faced the fewest targets per game to wide receivers last year because one, they were bad, and two, they have good
89:30quarterbacks. like um so like it's hard to see like a lot like a huge ceiling for all these guys. Washington I'm like
89:38just like reconciling with like still having the most like per target upside of the three guys. Maybe he can get over
89:44that way. So like I'd still be confident like at least playing him as like a with like dampened expectations of like a
89:49wide receiver three plus versus there will be weeks where I he treat I'd treat him as like a wide receiver two plus and
89:55greater. Um but yeah, I I think that this game eventually turns up in a lot of handoffs. the wor like the most
90:01probable out for this game is it not just like the Jaguars winning like 20 to3 and like like no one smashes they
90:08just control the game and it's just stupid.
90:11>> Well, if they do that they're going to run the ball a bunch. What what's your read on the back field
90:16>> so far? I mean I think that they they do want to split these guys. Uh you've get a more explosive guy and Bashel Tuton.
90:22He gets a little bit of an uh of an opening I think to more receiving stuff early in the year now with Laquin Allen
90:28out. I do think we're going to see Amir Abdullah play the pointless plays and people always in fantasy overrate these because they're like how they're empty
90:35calorie plays anyways like these long down and distance snaps like Amir Abdullah is going to play on those for pass blocking but like he was never
90:41going to like catch passes on them right like and I think Quinn Allen was going to be that anyways so I'm like not
90:46>> sorry Goomba stuff.
90:48>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And uh but I do think he has a a pipeline to catch more early down stuff. It's just on paper, I feel
90:55like the Browns have an advantage here defensive line versus the Jaguars offensive line. The Jaguars offensive line looks flatout bad and they already
91:01lost one of their better guys than Patrick Mccari to an injury, a back injury this preseason. Um because it's not like the Browns didn't get anything
91:08for Miles Garrett. Like they got Jared verse back. They still have Mason Graham. They still have Malik Collins.
91:12Like this still looks like the makings to be a good run defense. It's just the element of Jim Schwarz like leaving and
91:19you know then throwing kind of like just a little smidge of variance in here.
91:24>> And then just how hot the Jaguars ran last year. Are they able to roll over that capacity? Uh probably in week one
91:30because like this was the number one team in terms of uh drives that started uh in the opposition side of the field
91:35due to turnovers. So maybe that still is in play here. Maybe that that regression takes a week to get going because of Deshawn Watson. It would be
91:45funny if like the Jaguars are like regression's about to hit and they have like three pick sixes.
91:50Like this is so many.
91:53>> Well, they're the hot the the streamer, right? Like how could they not be?
91:57>> Yeah. How could they not be >> against Sean Watson? But I think both those guys, you're still playing those guys. It's like they they're probably
92:03more touchdown dependent fantasy plays still, but >> at least there were worse spots attached to a home favorite by a touchdown,
92:10right?
92:12>> Yep. Yep. Um, yeah. I mean, I think you're right about the the the funny thing about the Browns last year is they were a run funnel. Teams
92:23had 57% pass rate against them, minus 5% POE. They shift teams shifted 2% to the run from uh their their average P over
92:31the course of the year. So, you know, this is a team that opponents were attacking on the ground, but like so
92:40clearly because they just didn't want to deal with Miles Garrett and it was not about them attacking a weakness. The the
92:47Browns were really good against the run, seventh in rushing DVOA, sixth in EPL opera rush, fifth in rushing success rate. They were second in run stop win
92:56rate. their their defensive line was awesome last year and I agree remains really strong even though they don't have Garrett.
93:02>> Yeah.
93:03>> So, yeah, it's not a great matchup for the Jaguars run game, but there should be volume here and that makes me feel
93:12good um for Tuton and for Rodriguez because I'm just not sure like what the split is. you know, if it's 5050,
93:22maybe there's not a lot of games where I can count on a bunch of carries for either guy. I probably can here. And so
93:29I, you know, in lineups where I'm like, "Yeah, I kind of need Toutin. You know, I'm thinner at running back. I took him
93:36in the fifth round. I'm gonna I'm gonna start him and hope for the best." I I think I'm comfortable doing that here.
93:41It's not like a smash spot by any means, but, you know, you you've made the bet with Tuton. I think it's uh it's not a
93:47DFS spot for me with him either, but No, >> it's definitely like in in season long leagues. I think I'm if I drafted him, I
93:53think I'm I'm good about I'm good to just put him in lineups right away.
93:56>> Yeah. I mean, you have him as attached to a a touchdown home favorite with uh a probable volume spike. And if there's
94:03one of the guys that's going to turn uh a chunk play or an explosive, like he would still be the bet. And you're the
94:10more volume you get, the more chances you have a bite at that apple of turning in that explosive. Uh, >> and the explosive could be a little dump
94:16off screen type thing, you know, just a little quick hit or pass. Like it doesn't have to be just him slamming it
94:22up the middle. I think that's probably going to be more Rodriguez anyway. So, >> correct.
94:26>> Um, and I'm talking when I when I say that too, it's like I'm thinking it's second and six, you know, it's like not
94:32some uh, you know, he doesn't even need to be on the field for a long distance play or whatever. Um, all right, let's
94:41go to the Bills and Texans. This is a tough spot for the Bills and it's a tough spot for us a little bit because I
94:48want to learn about the Joe Brady Bills.
94:51I'm not sure we're going to get like definitive answers about what he's trying to do because this is such a difficult matchup. They're going to be
94:57very kind of game plan. This game plan will be like specific to how you deal with the Texans more so than telling us
95:03a ton I think about what the overall plan is.
95:07Yeah, I mean, uh, we've we've already seen this story two years in a row with, uh, the Bills and, you know, Joe Brady's
95:12obviously been there, but, uh, it's been bad for Josh Allen in these two games.
95:18Uh, two years ago, he had a 30% completion rate against the Texans, the worst of his career. Uh, he was the QB
95:2417 in that game. Last year, he was the QB 21. They pressured him, and think of the Bills offensive line, like you don't
95:30see Josh All with these types of pressure rates. They pressured him in the last two years. It's 43% and 45% of
95:35his drop backs uh under pressure in these two games. Josh Allen combined four of 22 passing.
95:41Like this is not Josh Allen. And they got you can make the case the Texans got better. They added Reed Blankenship
95:48which allows them to do this like complete chess piece move which we've seen like NFL defenses start to do with like Kyle Hamilton and Nick Warary. So
95:56now Jaylen Petri is just like a movearound piece for them. Like he's going to play slot. he's going to play safety. They might even blitz him like
96:04like they could be better. They could be better on defense this year. Um they're at home which is where these last two
96:10games have been the last two years and you know understand like people aren't streaming like Josh Allen paid based on like the capital you paid for him and
96:18like the because he has a ceiling versus anyone but like it's very hard to project it here.
96:24Gosh, I'm just I'm enjoying the idea of Josh Allen as a streaming quarterback.
96:31>> There was a couple guys there was a couple guys like May was one and and Allen I was like I know it's not easy
96:37but like these are guys that like you might just want to have one dude for week one like maybe.
96:42>> Yeah. Yeah, I know. I know. It's wild.
96:45Um, but yeah, I mean the the Texans were they were so good last year and it is very much driven by their talent. So
96:57they had the lowest blitz per drop back in the league last year. They were seventh in quick pressure rate. They're fourth in pressure rate. Like this is
97:07the this is the formula for for how you get I mean it's like the classic you know pressure >> history of football in the history of
97:14football >> right the history of football get pressure at the front front four don't blitz sit back in coverage right like
97:23it's just the cl like this is it is hard to assemble >> but if you can you you definitely should because it's like it it's just absolute
97:34kryptonite for quarterbacks, including elite quarterbacks, Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Like, this is just a super super difficult setup to overcome.
97:43Texans are just going to be an insane defense this year. Uh like they were last year. It's very much talent driven.
97:49Not to take anything away from Demetry, but like it's just this is like you want a defense that's like this, right? Like
97:56this is the goal is to build a defense where it almost doesn't matter what the scheme is because the guys are just like
98:02all such differencem defensive players and you know you can play kind of the best scheme there is which is not having
98:10to blitz like ever. So yeah, it is it is a really tough spot for the Bills. Last year I I did note in the walkthrough
98:17that they had uh a 69% pass rate in this in the game they played against the Texans. Now, it didn't go great, but
98:27you know, last year we had frustrations with, frankly, with Joe Brady as well as Shawn McDermott. Uh, I didn't really let
98:34Brady off the hook there for the way he was calling the offense, but the issue with the Bills wasn't that they were
98:42just like week in week out runheavy.
98:44They they had uh above a 61% pass rate, which was the average pass rate last year. They they hit that in 42% of their
98:51games, eight of 19 games. Um, so it wasn't like they were just always running the ball, but there were certain games like against the Steelers last
98:59year, against the Panthers last year, against the Jets last year where like they'd have, you know, for example, against the Panthers, they had a 54%
99:08expected pass rate, they passed 42% of the time, they lose the game. So like it's that that was my issue with the um
99:18with the Bills. It was like they kind of it was sort of like more like the Packers where like it's like hey like
99:23what are you doing? You've got an incredibly efficient quarterback and you're playing like you're trying to hide your quarterback. Like can you just
99:30play to your own strengths and win? Um but in a tough matchup like this, they didn't go into a shell. They didn't they
99:38didn't try to hide Allen. I'm actually like less concerned about that. They played the they played the Ravens week one before all of their injuries and
99:48they had a 70% pass rate. Um, so they weren't like they weren't a fearful team. They were like an over they got
99:56tight actually in like matchups they should easily crush people in. They would like get tight. Uh, so I I have a
100:05little bit of optimism that the Bills will at least like play to win this game, do what they have to do, and you
100:12know that we'll see some drop back volume at the very least.
100:15>> Yeah, 100%. It's just the the confidence level of like they're going to do the things and just how successful can you
100:20be doing the things they just need to do enough of the things successful to maybe win the game. But from us, like it's
100:26just hard to like latch on to like any like ceiling outcome. Like you're just hoping and like you say, you're you're
100:31playing your guys probably. You know, you're probably playing Josh All.
100:34>> I mean, I I discounted Cook, you know, you're probably playing him, but like I >> Oh, yeah. I think he had two he had two
100:41okay games from a fantasy stance in these two matchups. And you hope that too with Tai Johnson being out and and
100:47all the rumors that with Pete Carmichael they are going to throw to him more that maybe helps him in matchups like this
100:53where previous years you didn't have that out or at least last year you didn't have that out. uh because he's the opposite of what we talked about
101:00Chase Brown. When they have thrown to James Cook, he's been like an a plus when they throw to him >> and they caught the ball a bunch in
101:07college. Like that was kind of >> Yeah.
101:08>> Like he he looked like he'd be a >> a like a 1B receiving back and he's a one or more than 1A. He's like a true
101:16starter. Um but but doesn't play third downs and doesn't catch the ball in early downs. It's really weird.
101:23>> Yeah. Yeah. 100%. But you're hoping like I said like Pete Carmichael in institutes some of that and it's like added here because it's hard to project
101:30any of these guys winning on the outside in this matchup like and they don't have to necessarily win on the outside. DJ
101:36Moore and Khlo Shakir are going to move around but like I'm not projecting DJ Moore and Khlo Shakir to like dominate
101:41this matchup like no like at all. What one guy that I the guy I'm like most intrigued by not really because of the m
101:52I'm not intrigued by anyone because of the matchup but Daltton Concincaid at least I'm like hey my upside case for him is just like he's healthier he runs
102:01more routes and his we were too tied to his 51% route participation last year and actually he's at 65 now and which is
102:13you know closer to where he he was before last year. And it's like, you know, he's a good player. He can do a
102:19lot more when he when he's out there for like 15% more of the the routes. So, I'm uh I'm a little bit optimistic on
102:27concaid.
102:29>> Uh or I I guess I'm less worried about what this matchup might do because my upside case really just relies on him
102:35playing more of the snaps and I don't think anything about this match would change that, >> right? And he plays a lower bar
102:42position.
102:42>> He plays a low bar position. So like I I can see like where you're just in a spot where like you just
102:46>> you look at concade versus like I don't know like who you would even be considering like to to start over him.
102:52You would just be like yeah I'm just going to play him and and hope I get more out participation and I get more
102:56upside and that maybe the receivers are getting suffocated. But like I said the fact that they added Reed Blankenship to this defense and it allows Peter to move
103:03around like he could be on him. Like who knows? Like >> I I'm treating the Bills like I I understand what you have to do where you
103:10drafted some of these guys. Uh, I'm probably, you know, benching DJ Moore.
103:15Like, if I had Coker or DJ Moore, I think I would play Coker uh versus DJ.
103:19>> I think I would I would play Coker.
103:20Yeah, I would play Coker.
103:21>> Yeah, but like I'll see these Bills in week two against the Lions. I'll see all you guys in week two.
103:28See you all. Wheels up. We're going to get those points back in week two.
103:31>> I don't know. I don't feel as good about the Bills off this match up playing on Thursday. True about the lights,
103:39>> but they're opening that new stadium like it's going to be the juices will be there.
103:44>> Come just got our asses kicked in a rock fight for three hours.
103:52>> So brutal. Um but yeah, the Lions defense will be a a welcome change next week.
103:59>> Uh all right, Texans side. I mean, the Bills big big big runf funnel last year.
104:04Um Ed Oliver was was in and out of the lineup last year which I mean he he had an impact. Um but it's also like one
104:13player and I'm not sure um you know ultimately if this dynamic is really going to change for the Bills. They were
104:20they were second worst in rushing DVOA last year, 28th in rushing success rate, and teams had a 58% pass rate against
104:29them, which when you think about it's kind of nuts that the Bills opponents had a had a uh pass rate 3% below the
104:38NFL average. Like like h how how are you as the Bills like allowing that to be the way the teams are are taking you on?
104:47You know, >> I wrote about this in the offseason, man. Go for go to finish. Yeah, I wrote about this though. This is the angle I
104:53took.
104:55>> They should just be passing on people more so they don't they can't run on them like this.
104:59>> No. Well, so like me, Sanderson, and Gretch all wrote different articles about like the the heavy personnel and like we all approached it from like
105:06different angles and like my angle was about how teams were doing it to get defenses to come out of sub packages.
105:14But Shawn McDermott was one of these coaches that stayed in sub packages and didn't have the personnel to do it because remember Shawn McDermott hit the
105:21height of his powers. Like he went he came through the 11 personnel boom like he was part through like like Big Nickel
105:27was at the forefront and part of his undoing was he died in Big Nickel. Uh they were you know the last year they
105:35were fifth in the NFL in rate of sub packages on run plays against two tight end sets. Dude, they allowed 7.6 6 yards
105:42per carry on those plays. Like >> yeah, >> the NFL league average pass play was seven yards.
105:48>> Like this is why it happened. Like this is why it happened. Uh they were one of these teams that just died it and so you
106:00can do it like you can play sub package against the run if you're the Seahawks, >> right? Like when you had the personnel
106:05to do it. The Bills never had the personnel to stay in that. And I don't think we're going to see that. Uh, you
106:10know, they hired Jim Leonard who comes from uh he he he coached uh under Vicio.
106:16Uh where's he been? He's been the defensive backs coach last year for Denver. Uh they're going to play they're they're going to switch their offense
106:23but or defense, but it's hard to get to where is how good it's going to be because they have so many guys that are
106:30leaving the defense and so many new guys on defense. Like they're just losing a ton of snaps. Like Matt Milano, Joey
106:37Bosa were all over 600 snaps. AJ Epenza, like even if you didn't think these guys were good, they played a lot. Uh Daquin
106:45Jones was at 500 snaps. Terren Johnson 700 snaps. Tradavius White 800 snaps.
106:49And like they brought in D. Alford and Bradley Chub and CJ Gardenner Johnson.
106:53Like it's just a mystery box. Like it's just a real mystery. But I don't think they're going to just like die in sub
107:00package anymore because that's not obviously what Denver did. Uh you know, so I would assume that we're not going to see that happen.
107:07>> Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. It is. It's interesting though because you're going against a Texans team that like was balanced last year
107:17and they didn't have, you know, we talked about the Saints earlier like, well, they didn't have a running back really. So, what were they supposed to
107:24do? Well, the Texans didn't have a running back and they still just kind of ran the ball. So, you know, now that
107:30they have David Montgomery and Woody Marses apparently looks better. Um, so, you know, maybe they feel even more confident than just leaning on
107:38Montgomery, but you'd have to imagine that they're going to be testing this this Bills run defense here. Um, given that, you know, they they want to lean
107:46on their defense. They want to keep Josh Allen off the field and they clearly want to run the ball based on the way
107:51they ran the offense last year when they didn't even have a running back. Um, so, you know, I feel pretty good about David
107:57Montgomery getting a good amount of carries here for sure. Right. Um, I have him as a high-end RB3. It's not like
108:03he's some kind of smash play, but you know, you you feel confident about the volume.
108:07>> Yeah, 100%. And we're going to find out about that subpack just like you said, they're going to line up and run the
108:11football uh regardless. Like they they added Marlon Klein, they added uh you know, Talon Rutled in the first round.
108:17They got rid of all their bad man gap runners a year ago or blindman. So, they're going to put this to the test
108:24like right away. So, we'll know right away if like there's a true change under Jim Leonard, which I still believe there
108:29will be. The question that I want to know, the million-dollar question for me though with the Houston Texans is they've got all this signal that they're
108:36going to do these things and they could potentially run the football better is now are they in a better spot for Nick
108:43Kaye to make adjustments to doing some of the things we want to do like pre- snap motion and play action because they
108:49didn't do any of it in year one with him. And CJ Strad when the the the little bit that he got to play with the
108:56easy buttons, play action and pre- snap motion. He was a top 10 quarterback in both yards for pass and yards per
109:02completion in both categories. And I at least want to keep the door open for Nick Kay saying like maybe you didn't do
109:08that year one because you had no faith in your offensive line, your wide receivers were hurt, and you couldn't run the ball. But if he's not doing it
109:14early on and they're a they're running the ball, I'm I'm going to have big questions about Nick Kay. Yeah, I already have questions about Nick Kelly.
109:22>> That's fair.
109:23>> Yeah, >> but yeah, we'll see. Um, >> not too not too much else here. I mean, obviously Nico Collins is Nico Collins
109:34and you know, Daltton Schultz looks like the number two pass catcher probably Kahan Booty number two wide receiver, but not exactly a big time separator or
109:43anything. So, >> I don't know. There's too much more to say on the Texans side. Did you have anything?
109:48>> No, that's that's it.
109:51>> Yeah. All right. Um the we've done the one o'clock window.
109:58So I think we can kick things off in the four:00 window with our wagon of the week.
110:05>> This is our wagon, baby. The wagon of the week.
110:07>> The team's just rolling right now. This team is just they're wagon.
110:11>> They are [ __ ] wagon. We're going to have a nice old picnic. Load that wagon up. Like we're whatever you need to put
110:16in that wagon.
110:17>> Their wagon.
110:18>> Yeah, this is our wagon of the week, baby.
110:21>> What does wagon mean?
110:24>> Got to use that. I >> forgot how good that clip was, too.
110:29>> It is so good. The All right. I mean, you got the C hat, you know. I think it's it's quite apt. Chargers officially
110:37the wagon of the week. Tell tell the people about why the Chargers are an absolute wagon right now.
110:43Yeah, I think this this works from a multiple angles, but I think they're going to just I think they're going to
110:47be in a great spot to score points in this game. The big addition of Mike McDaniel that uh not a lot of people
110:53talk about is what he's going to do for this offense is they're going to be better in the red zone and they're going
110:58to be better on early downs. Uh the Chargers were 29th in red zone touchdown rate. They were 19th in goalto touchdown
111:06rate. Last year the they were they were ahead of only the Tennessee Titans in rate of set of series that didn't make
111:14it to third down like that like they they face third down on the highest rate of the Titans the only team worse. Uh
111:20and when you look at Mike McDaniel uh his tenure in Miami they were seventh in scoring rate on red zone possession
111:27seventh in goal to go possessions. Even if you just look at last year alone they were still effective. Uh, one of my
111:33favorite stats that I always bring up and Davis always hates it is that Tua has had a higher touchdown rate than
111:38Patrick Mahomes in each of the past three years. Uh, because Mike McDaniel manufactures touchdowns, man. This is what this is what you still get. U, and
111:47then the other side here is Arizona decided the first year under Michael Flor to just address the offense. They
111:57only used two draft picks on defensive players this year. One was in the fourth round on Caleb Proctor. He's out for the
112:03year with a knee injury. And then they use a sixth round pick on an offball linebacker who's not a starter and not
112:08going to play. In free agency, they signed a three-tech and Roy Lopez, not a pass rusher at all, and safety Andrew
112:15Windgard. They kept re uh defensive coordinator Nick Railis, who has been uh with the team since they hired Jonathan Ganon. no changes on a team that they'll
112:24be healthy better because they'll be healthier, but on a team that had got no pressure, couldn't stop to run, couldn't stop to pass. I mean, this you're at
112:33home indoors, there's just not a better setup, man.
112:39The setup is great. Um, and part of the reason I I mean the part of the reason I love the setup is you've got, you know,
112:49what what is Mike McDaniel going to do like at a macro level? It's I love I love the red zone early down
112:55>> notes. I also think he's going to be focusing more on, you know, getting the ball out of Justin Herbert's hands
113:02quickly, focusing on yards after catch, and then Mike McDaniel's been great at designing the run game as well. So, you know, kind of more consistency on the
113:13offensive side of the ball, better running game, more yak. That's kind of like the macro level stuff. But at the micro level,
113:21how? And that's what I'm not I'm not sure. I don't know.
113:26Is he gonna just like use Amarian Hampton as an absolute workhorse because he was an absolute workhorse in college and he's good, you know, the offensive
113:33line is back, he could have some really fun plays for Amarian Hampton. That would make sense to me. Would also make
113:39sense to me if that's not the plan at all. And he's got like a whole thing for Keaton Mitchell worked out and you know
113:45Keaton Mitchell. I was looking at Ke Mitchell and I haven't been the biggest Keaton Mitchell guy this summer.
113:49Although I did draft some of them when the mysterious injury happened. That's when I got my exposure up a little bit.
113:53>> Yeah. Yeah. Um he had uh he ranked running back three in rush yards over expected per attempt last year. He was
114:04running back 22 in rush yards over expected per game. He had he had 15% of the Ravens carries last year. So he was
114:14he was able to get to running back 22 in a a per game metric despite barely playing. So he was very very explosive.
114:22Um, he definitely has that going for him. How much he plays though, I really don't know. I want to find out. I'm
114:29excited to find out.
114:31>> Vlad Maki was incredible two years ago.
114:342.59 yards per route run.
114:36>> He has had an incredible open score in in each of the last two years. He's been really good there. Uh, over the last two
114:42years combined. He's wide receiver 12.
114:45Quinton Johnson's wide receiver 86 in that metric. He was better than Johnson in yards per route run last year, but only at 1.44
114:54for Johnson was better than than Maki.
114:571.44 to 1.35 two years ago when the offense was actually good. It was 2.59 to 1.63 in Makkey's favor. So I think that Makanki
115:06is clearly the better receiver and that the offense will be designed to feature him. But I could be wrong. Maybe Trey
115:12Harris who was really efficient in college or Quinton Johnson who's really good after the catch. Maybe those guys will be actually be driving things.
115:19Charlie Kolar, what's his role? I was drafting him in baseball. That that'll be fun to find out, you know, or does
115:23Ronda Gatson emerge from, you know, is he is he undertake taker meas, you know, on 45% round participation actually have a pretty good role or is he a healthy
115:33scratch? There's like so many kind of player level things that I just don't have a good read on. I could see there's
115:40a wide range of outcomes. I could see a number of different ways that these things play out, but I'm pretty sure
115:46that whatever McDaniel has planned is going to work.
115:52>> It's hardly here.
115:53>> Beautiful.
115:53>> You know, it's like whatever they And so for DFS and stuff, I'm like I just need to like try some different combos. I
116:01think like I would like to have multiple Chargers lineups because the know I do I tend to do like six lineups in a week.
116:08So, I'm thinking like, you know, a third of my lineups might be Chargers stuff because I can total or maybe like, you
116:15know, I've got Chargers oneoffs in my non- Chargers stacks be there's got to be points here. There's something good things are going to happen for the
116:24Chargers. I just don't I'm not sure what, but it's hard to see how they put up a stink bomb. They just don't take
116:30advantage of SP. They have an implied team total 28.5 and that the defense is is going to be is going to be bad on the Cardinal side.
116:39>> Yeah. So they didn't address it any like they've chosen year one to you know they they they bought a lot of linemen in
116:44free agency. They tried to draft Chase Bantis at the top of round two. He's unfortunately out for the year. They draft Jeremiah Love. They add Tyler Air.
116:52Like they really focused on adding offensive pieces this year. So, I expect them to understand like defensively they're probably gonna they're going to
117:01be against it. I think they told Nick too like you're going to fall on the sword. We'll we'll continue to to employ
117:05you. Uh and it's just the way >> but not for long.
117:10>> Yeah. Um yeah, I've been kind of like cautious with the Chargers this year.
117:15not believing like top down I believe like they're going to be successful but the one element I've been trying to be
117:20cautious with them is trying to project too much what McDaniel did with the Dolphins on the Chargers because one is obvious
117:30versus Herbert. I mean, anytime you've seen >> anytime you've seen Mike McDaniel talk about Herbert, he looks like a kid that
117:36got like the thing he asked for on Christmas, like >> he did. That is what happened.
117:41>> Trying to play with a guy like this for his whole life.
117:43>> Like Herbert, there's that clip of Herbert making like a one that one throw in practice and he's like, I didn't even
117:47know you could make on that combination make that throw, that route combination.
117:50Like, holy [ __ ] man. Like uh and then the other difference too is like those Miami Dolphins teams were so inherently
117:58topheavy where the Chargers actually have like a like viable >> Yeah, that's true. That's true.
118:03>> Like cuz McDaniel got he was like, "Hey, my d my three best players are Jaylen Wadd, Tyreek Hill, and Devonte Chan. I'm
118:09going to get these three guys the football as much as possible. I'm going to design it to do that." Does does he
118:14feel that way about like a set core of these players? Maybe he does. I don't know. Right. like, but he might be
118:20looking at it and saying like, "No, I have three usable tight ends. I have multiple usable running backs. I have three usable receivers." Right?
118:27>> Brennan Thompson's had kind of an interesting camp. He's, you know, he's a guy you could scheme up, you know, some
118:32some stuff for, you know, like he could be someone you're mixing in and Yeah.
118:37>> Yeah.
118:38>> Yeah. Right. And you know, >> and also we have never seen we've the only player that's even come close that
118:44Herbert's played with that can run like Brennan Thompson is Jaylen Gayton. Uh and I encourage anyone if you've never seen the throw, go back to year two
118:52Herbert. He has a touchdown to Jaylen Gayton against the New York Giants. It is the most bonkers throw. I've been waiting for him to just have one of
118:59these throws in him again. Uh and I think it's going to be to Brennan Thompson at some point. Now, maybe not
119:04week one, uh, but at some point he's going to unccork like a a ball like this where you're just going to be like,
119:09"What? What the hell was that, man?"
119:13>> Yeah. I mean, I I agree with you, though. Like it could be also frankly like he had Tua, you know, and so
119:22there's certain types of throws that he has to be the offense has to be very particular in the types of throws that
119:28it's creating the windows and and the the timing like the ball needs to get out quickly and you know we've got to
119:35really jump through a lot of hoops to create explosive downfield throws because Tua doesn't really have the arm to do that. But I mean he did. McDaniel
119:44was able to create that effectively for a while. He's quite sharp. But I mean, yeah, he doesn't have to like Herbert is
119:51can can take a lot of that stuff off his plate a little bit and then maybe he is able to do more interesting things with
119:58the depth that the Chargers have. you know, they do have like Gadston is I I I have been surprised that they don't seem
120:06that interested in using him because he is an interesting guy as you know, a big tight end hybrid receiver type of dude.
120:13Um, but you know, Injoku, Colar, like there's guys that this could be like a total committee, you know, at at tight
120:23end. could be a really spread out target tree at wide receiver >> or like the I mean Maki could be like an
120:31absolute star like I just I don't know but like I'm >> I guess the answer might just be Herbert you know I think Herbert
120:39>> Yeah Herbert's not he's not platooning >> so yeah this is a great spot for Herbert >> 100% that's why yeah Herbert's in a
120:48great spot I still think like as a uh this big of a home favorite like against in this matchup like you this is
120:55like if you're not excited to play Hampton like you'll never be excited to play him.
120:59>> I know I know we need some kind of reveal still but I feel like you play this spot in general and I'm definitely
121:06going to play it with a spot with a 220 pound first round running back that actually catch passes like >> it's it's a definite like I it's not
121:14even an F around find out situation.
121:16It's like like come on man I'm just doing that like always at face value.
121:19>> Yeah. Uh, so >> I think Keith Mitchell could have like seven carries, three targets, and Hampton could still score two touchdowns
121:25and just be like, you know, like you don't need to get it perfect on on Hampton in this spot.
121:30>> No. And I know that there's some interior offensive line stuff that is still exist on this team on this roster,
121:35but uh you're still getting a big explosive back uh that I think in in a home favorite spot with almost 10
121:43points. Uh I'm still playing. I'm nibbling. Like you said, I mean, Makanki stuff, if they do run back the Miami formula, right? Then you've got Lad as a
121:53as a rookie was destroying in one to two wide receiver sets and he was destroying in pre-net motion. Like he's going to be
121:59the movement guy like for sure.
122:02>> And like he was destroying. I mean, on plays at motion as a rookie, 2.95 yards per out run on plays with play action as
122:09a rookie 4.3 yards per out run. like like >> that's wild.
122:15>> The the one thing with Lad that's that was always the toughest point is like he's never been like a huge target
122:21earner like like he's he has like no individual he has like I think three games through two years where he's he's
122:26hit a 30% target share. Um, and you know, he's the one guy too, like he has the body composition like can he survive
122:32getting a lot of targets.
122:34>> Like he's like he's like always picking himself off of the ground. And I have one main event team where we got Lad
122:40Jaylen Wadd and and Christian Watson. I was like [ __ ] Blue Tent City here, man. Like >> did you change the name to Blue Tent
122:47City?
122:48>> No, I should have though. But uh yeah.
122:51And then Quinton Johnson, if they do some of this stuff too, like dude, he's he's a guy that runs in a straight line
122:57fast and a guy that can break tackles after the catch. Like if they're going to give him vertical shots and quick
123:01hitters at the line of scrimmage, like yeah, he could be good at doing that.
123:05Like uh yeah, he averages 7.1 yards per catch uh on throws at or behind the line of scrimmage the last two years. And
123:13that's with 31 of those targets. The base rate for receivers 5.6 >> uh on those catches. and he's 8.9 yards after the catch because remember you're
123:20catching somebody's behind the line of scrimmage and the base rate is 8.2 for those guys and like lad that's just not
123:25his game. I mean lad on those same plays three yards per catch 61.1 yards after the catch. Like so if there's a guy
123:31getting those quick hitters it's probably going to be him. So I treat this as they're the wagon for a reason.
123:37I need to smoke them if you got them game. If you got the Chargers smack them up, play them >> 100%. Yeah. No, this is the game. I
123:44mean, I always do the the um the cover boy for the walkthrough always comes from the one:00 window because then I
123:52can start the article with that game.
123:54But, you know, if the NFL had scheduled differently, it would have been uh Chargers leading leading the article because this is a very very fun uh setup
124:04for the Chargers. I don't know ultimately if it's going to be that fun for the Cardinals. Um, right.
124:12>> They, this is not the 2025 Cardinals. I do not expect them to pass like they did last year. They had just an absurd pass
124:19rate. Um, and really like it was it was after they they moved to Brassette from Kyler Murray where they really just
124:27started passing it. Uh, they weren't particularly efficient even with Brassette. They were actually less efficient with Brassette than they were with Murray. They just trusted him more
124:36and were more willing to to chuck it.
124:37So, you know, there is obviously game script will call for a lot of passing, but I'm not 100% sure about the way that
124:47the Cardinals handle that. Last year's Cardinals would have really leaned into it, but we we do see teams just try to
124:54get these losses over with. You know, they'll do >> six, seven minute drives to cut the lead to 13 in the third quarter kind of kind
125:02of crap. You know, like I I could definitely see that. So, it's, you know, I'm a little nervous about playing into the volume side of this.
125:12Yeah.
125:13>> On the Cardinals side, other than I'd say Trey McBride, who I mean, he is there. I just think I'm betting on him
125:19as the clear best receiver in the offense, >> just coming off an incredible season last year as a target earner. Not super
125:27super efficient, but pretty efficient for a tight end at 1.78 yards per hour run. Is actually a little bit of a down
125:32year for him, but finally scored touchdowns. I think he he's been too discounted this off seasonason. Um the garbage time stuff is both true and I
125:41think now being like like overcounted as far as trying to figure out if McBride can can turn in another really strong
125:47season because ultimately Trey McBride is just like a different guy at the tight end position. He's one of these rare guys who emerges that over the next
125:56like five, six, seven years, we're going to be talking about Trey McBride going high in drafts because he does something that other players don't do at this
126:04position. And that's that's what I'm betting on with McBride more than anything. Um, and I just feel very confident about that part of it. And
126:12they're going to have to pass some because they're huge dogs on the road.
126:17>> And Jeremiah loves Banged Up. I think the intersection I I also agree. This is like their our Saints take earlier. Like
126:22I think big picture they are going to be significantly lowered in terms of just raw dropbacks. But I do think for week
126:28one it sets up with Jeremiah Love being banged up, them being 10-point road dogs, them to kind of be pushed here a
126:34little bit. I would say the one way you don't get like that type of volume is that like we're getting the Mike
126:39McDaniel like run scheme and they're just running down their throats and >> which could happen.
126:44>> Which could happen. But uh I'm very interested in Trey McBride from a if you are going to bring someone back in this
126:51just because like a DFS spot like Micro Mayor is going to be so significantly owned because of his price point this
126:56week. But uh if Chris Liry is taking over Jesse Mentor, he was with Jesse Mentor in 2024. He coached Western Michigan's defense last year. But if
127:05he's going to run adjacent scheme, which he did at Western Michigan, I mean the Chargers the past two years have played
127:11the lowest rate of man coverage in the NFL. uh only Minnesota played cover one at a low rate. They play quarters at the
127:17third highest rate. And like over the past two years, not even just last year, where you're looking at this high drop
127:21back game, like McBride is the highest target rate per route run against zone coverages of any tight end in the NFL.
127:28Uh so if they're going to get a little bit bump of in terms of dropbacks and we typically will get big picture, I think
127:34he can get a lot of targets in this game. I think he makes sense to go against kind of like the way people are
127:39going to be building DFS lineups because you're starting trend cred regardless in your season on leagues. Uh yeah, like he's just not going to be a highly
127:46played guy though uh in DFS and I do think he offers a chance to have maybe you know you know eight plus to maybe
127:53even double digit targets in this game.
127:57>> I completely agree. Yeah.
127:59>> And that's it. That's the only Cardinal I feel good about. No, and I I just the way I wrote it up with the receivers is
128:05like I I think we're looking in an offense that all the things I said about the drop back volume like I do really
128:12care about that for the receivers because I'm not sure which of them is really the number two. I'm pretty confident that they're not the number
128:17one that McBride is and then which of these receivers is the number two option in the offense. I don't know. I think
128:23one of them could break out. Harrison was obviously an incredible prospect.
128:27you know, he could I I said, you know, his year three breakout could maybe end up looking like kind of Nico Collinsy,
128:32like he's like, oh, this, you know, this bigger downfield guy took a little while to to emerge, but now he's he's a star.
128:40I could I could still see that with Harrison. I could also see Wilson dusting Harrison and and being, you know, kind of the the Z in this offense,
128:48getting more targets over the middle.
128:50Um, and and also breaking out, you know, what it' be year four, I guess, for Wilson. But um you know I think that's
128:59possible. I I just don't have any confidence in either thing happening and I kind of think that's what you need because you're looking at a Jacobe
129:07Brassette offense that's about to lose a lot of dropback volume. Um and I you know you can talk about Mike Laflur and
129:14that's somewhat interesting as far as what he could be but he's got Nathaniel Hackett as Zoe.
129:20First of all, huge red flag for for Laflur that that's what he's like, I got to go like my first offensive hires. My
129:27first call is Nathaniel Haggett. Like that's incredibly bearish.
129:31>> I think he's going to be pretty caut if there was like a healthy Jeremiah Love too, I could maybe get uh more
129:37optimistic, but I definitely think for for the [ __ ] he took after that preseason usage, he's going to be extra
129:44cautious, I think, in week one.
129:46>> Yeah. And he unlike Jy because Jie's practiced in full all week and with no brace on or anything and it has been
129:52love has been limited all week. So I think we are going to see him kind of be limited in week one.
129:58>> I do too.
129:59>> Whereas kind of jainty is a little sneaky I think in week one.
130:04>> Interesting.
130:06>> Um well let let's talk about that. Let's talk about the Raiders and and the Dolphins. Um, neither of these teams.
130:15Uh, I tried to talk you into it. You said these this P this is not our wagon of the week.
130:21>> Is this where you're going to the the Kirk Cousins?
130:24>> That's what I was trying to Yeah. Kirk Kurt Cousins, baby. Come on.
130:28>> Kurt Cousins. I got to lose the >> Okay.
130:33Beautiful.
130:35>> Um, so we got Yeah, the Kirk Cousins starting for the Raiders. uh they passed it a pretty good amount last year. It
130:43was, you know, not the best kind of passing volume that you can get, but um I think their passing volume will
130:50decline, but hopefully they'll be a lot more efficient through the year. Um although then again, their number one receiver is Trey Tucker. They don't have
130:58Brock Bowers uh for the next few weeks and so it's hard to imagine them being super efficient. And I was pointing out
131:06in the walkthrough like, hey, you know, Michael Mayer was going to play a lot already. You know, it's not like he's a
131:11backup. You know, they're going to play a lot in 12 because they don't have any receivers. So, this still hurts the
131:15offense even with Mayor being like a pretty good replacement at tight end.
131:19>> They're like, well, now like you're playing like what are you're playing Jack B more, you know, something bad is happening. Some player who shouldn't be
131:28playing is now playing >> Bowers.
131:30>> Yeah. Someone who's not Brock Bowers is playing. like Michael Mayer was probably going to play half the snaps anyway or
131:35even more. So, uh yeah, I'm uh I'm not feeling great about this passing game.
131:41Genty against a Miami defense that could be awful. He I agree with you. He he looks interesting.
131:48>> Yeah, I think the one guy like all this movement does help like Bowers being removed and them having to play either
131:54Jack Bash or Ian Thomas more cuz either whether you want to stay in 12 or you're 11.
131:59>> This is nuts. Are you kidding? But >> I didn't know he was still in the league.
132:03>> Yeah. Like Jack Bash is basically like a a tight end anyways. So if you play more 11, I just think you're still getting a
132:09better blocker on the field than Bowers was. So like you could still just run and I think you're going to be able to
132:14run on this defense.
132:15>> Wait, are you saying Bes is a better blocker than Powers?
132:18>> I am.
132:24>> That's incredible. Yeah. Uh I mean this this team this Miami team that that's literally starting three rookies like I mean and the Raiders are the Raiders
132:35have this overhaul, right? It's not just Clint Kubak. It's what we talked about.
132:38Brennan Carol's no longer the other line coach. They brought in Rick Dennison who's been coaching 30 years. They had Tyler Lindal. They had Colton Miller
132:45back. They had Jackson Power Johnson. I was talking to Warren about this earlier to I was really pushing him to give out
132:50JT's rushing yardage as a prop because they didn't know where to line him and he's practiced in full. I'm like, Warren, if they if if this was set
132:58without this prayer circle thing, which I I'm assuming right now doesn't even matter because he's just he was full practice all week, like this Lion would
133:07be 20 yards higher than what it would be. Like he's he's a home favorite, which we'll never have again the rest of
133:12the season probably, I'm assuming. And against the worst team in the NFL, >> like >> Yeah. and and and he's he's he's priced
133:20really favorably uh on FanDuel particularly, which is probably more geared to him anyways, but like he would have been like a guy that had 20%
133:28ownership easily. Like this would have been the one spot people would really bullish on him and no one really knows how to be bullish on because of the
133:35injury, but I don't they're treating the injury as like there is no injury now.
133:40>> So, and I guarantee you we will see Mike Washington. I'm expecting to see Mike agree >> the ne because last year you can't have
133:47the same split, right? It's a it's not quite like the Kale Black thing, but like >> the who was second on the team in
133:52running back touches on the Raiders last year and what was the number? It was uh Raheem Mostard had 34. I think Mike
134:00Washington's going to have more than 34 touches this year. Uh, so I'm not I wasn't counting on Ash and JT to have
134:07this 100% thing even with the injury, but I think even Ash and JT at an 80% clip here is like very intriguing on a
134:14lot of levels. And we could still theoretically get 100% Ash and JT.
134:19>> I think so. I mean, I don't We never got a full read on the Raiders. I mean, >> can we get some fines? Can we get some
134:25fines going for the Raiders?
134:26>> They didn't have to tell us anything.
134:28>> I for Oh, we're going to have all of our guys on Sunday. Oh, you are because one of them's getting surgery right now. You
134:35dare. What are you talking about?
134:40Why are you lying? The day the guy's getting surgery. Like, we're going to find out like immediately. Anyway, I'm not mad. Don't put it in the paper. I'm
134:47mad. Um, but yeah, Mike Washington looked pretty pretty fun in the preseason. He's got a literally a 10 rass. You know, he's he's probably he's
134:58the type of guy kind of designed to look good in the preseason. He wasn't actually a good breakaway runner in college and I'm I'm pretty skeptical of
135:05him being very good. Still >> Evan comped him to Nile Davis was his comp and I like that. I was like, "Oh
135:11he does good."
135:13>> Nile Davis is a really good comp. The guy that um he comped to me statistically was Kaylin Bell.
135:19>> Oh yeah, that's a good one, too.
135:21>> Yeah, just just a freak athlete, but not probably a very good running back is is kind of how he profiles. 0.77 yards per
135:28out run in college, which is which is bad. And and didn't run a ton of routes.
135:32So, he's just not I think the thing I'm most confident with in Washington because he could be he could just be
135:38good enough at getting up to speed quickly that he has some utility as a runner in the NFL. I mean, he had like
135:43an insane 10 yard split and again, he did like I I saw him in the preseason, too. He looked looked pretty fun. Um,
135:50>> but I think the big thing for Genty is can he in year two take a big step forward as a pass catcher and
136:00because it because he was incredibly efficient in 2023 in college.
136:06>> Um, and then in 2024 as a receiver, I mean, and then in 2024, he was barely used as a receiver, but he just had
136:11absurd rushing usage. So, it's like, well, yeah, like what a he was also supposed to like catch, you know, a ton
136:18of passes, too. Like, they just there's only so much they could use him. So, I think his ceiling this season on this
136:24Raiders team really is going to come through him emerging as like a real receiving weapon, you know, kind of a like the Chase Brown style receiving
136:34role, but he's more explosive, you know, >> and Bowers being out helps him get targets, too.
136:41Bowowers being out I think could help for sure. Um and so that's where yeah if he sees you know some carries to Mike
136:48Washington but he's catching four or five balls like I will I will make that tradeoff a 100 times out of 100 and I
136:57think it's pretty likely that that is what happens.
137:00>> Yeah. I mean I'm I became throughout this week I just said if I can get one full practice and the fact that not only
137:05is he practicing full every day but that he was even wearing he was even wearing an ankle brace. That's awesome.
137:10>> Like I mean just Yeah. So I'm I'm not one of the super sleuths out here of the Twitter doctor streets, but I'm just
137:18like I don't know, man. He looks like they're treating him like he's not even really hurt right now.
137:23>> So Trey Tucker is probably the the top receiver for the Raiders and probably the top wide receiver in this game.
137:29Would you say that? Or or would you have Chris Bell?
137:33>> Yeah, I mean I I would say if if at least for week one, I'm still going to take the Caleb Douglas side of the Miami
137:38side. You're taking the Caleb Douglas side at least right now, >> which I think is fair. Yeah.
137:43>> Yeah. I I mean, cuz Chris Bell, he had a statement this week that said he is 80 to 85% himself. Uh, and I know they did
137:50the depth chart where they listed all three guys as starters, but um, they also took Kale Douglas ahead of Chris Bell, but um,
137:58>> yeah, >> which could mean nothing and that they but just I I think Kale Douglas also is very much the archetype of receiver that
138:04meshes with Malik Willis, but the Dolphins in general outside of Achan, I am treating like your Titans take like if if I end up being surprised, I'll be
138:13like cool, >> like very cool, but >> I can do something with this later.
138:18very won any money against me.
138:20>> Yeah. And you could play I think Willis at in 2QB. Uh nice floor. He's the throwback Konami guy. I don't know how
138:28much in one QB like what's the line where you would stream him over in week one.
138:32>> Um in hindsight, you would play him over some guys that played already, but you don't we don't have that luxury. Uh and
138:39then >> pulling up my rankings. Uh I have him over Straoud.
138:45>> Oh yeah. Yeah.
138:47But behind I haven't.
138:48>> But like in one QB in one QB I don't know how like who you're really getting him over that was drafted as a one QB,
138:54right? Like >> no one.
138:58>> Yeah, there's nobody.
138:58>> No one. There's nobody. There's nobody.
139:00I think Yeah, you you have someone better, >> right? Uh and like you said, if you end up surprised, you're like cool. You're
139:09cool.
139:10>> Yeah, exactly.
139:12Yeah. Um Yeah. Well, Achan obviously is the big, >> you know, um, >> well, before we get to Achan, let me
139:20just ask you quick about Dulich because he do you think he could be the number one target in this offense? He was very
139:25efficient last year. His playing time is sort of a little bit of a mystery, but what are your thoughts on him?
139:31Yeah, he has like uh kind of like the the problem that like this archetype has the the Dalton Concade, Chica Conquo,
139:39Isaiah Likely, the the fact that like he just he needs to be so much better in the in the run game because the Dolphins
139:45are another one of these teams like we don't expect them to be good, but I don't expect them to like really tilt to
139:50like the pass heavily. Like they're they're a team I think that's going to be really cool to like they're going to
139:55be really cool to like lose games like tight like as tight as possible uh and be like It's going to be tough for them
140:01to do that. Like their defense is so bad. They really have to be Jets level committed to running the ball, which I
140:06think they probably will be, but that's >> Yeah, I think they will be.
140:09>> It's in a in a sense it's like worse that they have a bad defense because they can't >> The only way they can make games close
140:17is to burn so much clock that the other team can only like score 17 to 24 points because they just don't have enough
140:27drives to score more than that.
140:28>> Yeah. you know what I mean? And it's like, hey, >> 17 to three this week.
140:33>> He's a guy I feel like at least like I could see it happening. Um, but another guy where like I'm pretty cool like
140:40saying like, all right, I have this on my bench. I can play this in the future.
140:45>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But so Han, I mean, this is a the >> the table is similar, right? Yeah. It's
140:53this is as good as it will get.
140:56>> Their favorite in one game is here right now. It's at home against the Jets. And I don't even think that it should be on
141:01paper a true a truism.
141:04>> Give me the Jets.
141:06>> Yeah.
141:07>> But this is as good as it going to get, right? Like you're you're you're not going you're going against a team that
141:12had the worst record in the NFL. Like you expect the game script not to be stupid. Like you can get him the ball a
141:18lot here.
141:20>> Yeah. No, I He's a clear-cut running back one here. Um, you know, the fact that like I
141:30Ham was a tough guy for me in drafts because I ended up like pretty even on him in baseball. Like I like I think I
141:36was rated at 8%.
141:37>> And he was not someone I was that interested in the early part of the second, but in the late second or the
141:43mid to late second, I would I would take him enough to where, you know, I didn't fade him. But also like
141:50I could the second round was the wrong round. like he's either he was a first round pick or like a three four turn
141:57pick probably >> and I really don't know which one.
142:00>> Well, you have >> because I could see both.
142:02>> You you really have to have 2012 Jamal Charles. Like that's what he has to be as a first round pick. Uh Jamal Charles
142:10in 2012 for those that are familiar remember the great Jamal Charles. uh had 1,700 yards, only six touchdowns on a two and 14 Kansas City team that was
142:21absolutely a Brisb coached by Romeo Cornell. Uh they played Brady Quinn and Matt Castle. Like it was a horrendous like that's the outcome you need. And to
142:28be fair, like in the thin like it's a small percentile outcome, but like he is the kind of guy like if there was a new
142:34Jamal Charles like might be this dude.
142:37It might be him. The thing that makes me nervous about him is like I think he could very easily be that and then it
142:42still doesn't work out because there's just not, you know, Malik Willis is stealing too many uh correct, >> you know, he he's turning too many drop
142:51backs into rushes of his own, you know, and then there's just not enough drop back volume where like if if you could
142:56give me like, >> you know, Jamal only caught 30. He only caught 30 that year.
143:04>> Yeah. Okay.
143:05>> He only had 35 receptions. I mean, he was just that good as a runner, man.
143:09Like, dude was just that he r he ran for 1500 yards.
143:15>> And I think that, like I said, I'm not I'm not saying that's probable. I'm saying that's what you have to have
143:19happen.
143:20>> That's kind of what you need to have for him to like pay off as a first.
143:22>> That would be your legendary up. I don't know how you wrote up his legendary upside, but like that. Did you write it
143:26up 2012 Jamal Charles? Like that's >> I didn't write it up exactly as 2012 Jamal Charles, but it was Yeah, it was
143:31one of those ones where I was like this this seems hard to do. It was more like it's it's easier to get him to like 21
143:38points per the 23 points per game. Like okay like um because when I do that article I'm like I can get it's always
143:47interesting like here's what's realistic and I'm like >> you're at 20 points buddy. Like oh okay >> something needs to improve here. It's
143:56probably not very likely if I'm I thought I was already being kind of kind to the guy and I'm three points per game
144:02short. Um, but yeah, I mean, he is such a talent.
144:06So, I think in these good matchups, you do I I think putting aside some of the macro concerns and just saying, "Hey,
144:13this guy's awesome. The matchup's good.
144:15>> Uh, I'm going to I'm going to play him.
144:17I think he's very very playable."
144:19Obviously, in your season stuff, but I like I haven't I haven't started building in DFS yet, but like I wouldn't I wouldn't be opposed, you know? I could
144:26see I could see him making sense this week for sure.
144:28>> Yeah, absolutely.
144:30>> Uh, all right.
144:32Let's go to the Packers and Vikings.
144:39So, um, thoughts on on the, uh, the way that the Packers are going to handle this game because the that what jumped
144:49out to me when I was writing this up, I was like, okay, Matt Leforce talked about I want to, you know, play my main
144:56receivers more and stop rotating in Bo Melton or whatever, and I want to, you know, maybe actually pass a little bit
145:02more. They they had the most Jordan Love had the highest DPA per game of every quarterback in the league last year.
145:08If I feel like with just like a better overall approach, we could have been talking about, you know, the Packers having an incredible season, love being
145:17truly in the MVP conversation like, but they they were so conservative, you know, they they played in this way.
145:23You're trying, you have this incredible advantage at quarterback and in the passing game, and then you're hiding it with this overly runheavy offense. They
145:31were playing very similarly to the Eagles and to the Bills last year in terms of really dictating the run. They were playing from ahead, but it cost
145:40them some games where they got overly conservative and ultimately like play to your own strengths, which was so clearly the passing game last year. Jacobs is
145:49out. Marshon Lloyd has not been able to stay healthy. It's like hard for me to imagine that loading him up with a ton
145:54of carries. The other options are Chris Brooks and and Caleb Johnson. So, you know, when I think about like before I
146:00get into the matchup level stuff, I'm like this really could be them actually playing aggressively. But then you're facing Brian Flores. He's going to blitz
146:09the crap out of you.
146:11>> And the Vikings were a massive, massive runf funnel last year. 52% pass rate against the Vikings last year by opponents. Uh minus 9% proe, a 6% shift
146:22to the run. Teams weren't messing around here. They they were running the ball.
146:26They did not want to just expose themselves to a Vikings team that had they ranked number one in pass rush win
146:32rate, number one in pressure rate, number one in quick pressure rate, and number one in blitz rate. So like Forest is coming for your ass, man.
146:42That's what's happening here. So it's like I it was a I kind of had a whiplash writing this up because I'm like, "Oh,
146:49nice." like, yeah, so many things point to Laflur actually like delivering on these promises to be more normal, but then he's in this matchup that you kind
146:57of can't be normal in. What are your thoughts on this one?
147:00>> Yeah, I I'm pretty big I was pretty big on the Packers pass game like in longevity, but I also wrote them up as
147:05like a team in the offseason like just have something else for week one just like except for maybe a couple different
147:10pieces. Uh because Jordan Love last year, well, this is the worst offensive line Matt Laflur's had uh by far uh since they've been there. I mean, Zack
147:20Booule is the only like plus starter they have on the offensive line. Um he changes it was Zack Tom. He changed his
147:26name this offseason, but like the Packers did this thing for and it's finally biting them in the ass where like they would draft guys instead of
147:33having them play one position, they would have them learn every offensive line position. And now they don't know where to play these guys. And it
147:39happened last year when they started to have injuries. they just didn't know where to play guys. So, this year, Jordan Morgan's moving to left tackle.
147:44Shawn Ryan's the one guy staying put at left guard. Anthony Belton uh is getting is getting thrown uh in at right tackle.
147:50Aaron Banks is back. Like, this is a terrible uh offensive line. And Jordan Love was the most pressure sensitive quarterback last year when he was from a
147:59clean pocket. Number one in the NFL in completion rate, number two in yards or pass attempt when pressured. Number 30 in yards or pass attempt, number 30 in
148:07completion rate.
148:09Brian Flores in five matchups against Jordan Love has blitzed him 47% of the time. The last two matchups 53% and 48%
148:19when they've pressured Jordan Love. And this is even just last year. This is like the the full accompanying sample.
148:24Jordan Love's only completed 50% of his passes for 5.6 yards or pass attempt. It like again I like I would love to be I
148:32would love Jordan Love to Cadron Cook. I think he could be capable of doing it.
148:35Uh, I think they have enough talent as pass catcher and I think he's talented to do it, but like I'm not leaning into
148:40that being the most probable outcome. I feel a lot similar to like what we talked about Josh Allen with against the
148:45Texans on like a lower scale here.
148:48>> Yeah, that's I I'm with you. And I also think, you know, the the guy I'm probably I think the guy with the
148:55highest ceiling in the offense to me is Christian Watson. Um, I'm sure some people would say Matthew Golden, you know, first round pick, potential
149:04secondyear breakout, but, you know, Christian Watson was awesome last year coming off of injury, 2.28 yards per out run. He's also been awesome like in the
149:13past, you know, a really good rookie season. Um, you know, somewhat driven by by touchdowns and stuff, but he immediately produced and then, you know,
149:21he gets hurt, comes back, he's really efficient, and he was able to do that with an AOT of 17.4, four hit a 22%
149:29targets per out run despite an eight out of 17.4. So he he's kind of doing that Alec Pierce thing. Frankly, I think he's
149:35he's doing the Alec Pierce thing but better. You know, he's >> he's you know, able to draw targets and, you know, be really efficient while also
149:45like truly stretching the defense and creating space for his teammates. Um, and you know, that's awesome for them because they do like to run the ball and
149:53then they got some yak guys in and Tucker Craft and Jaden Reed. So, I think one thing you're like, well, how could
149:59Christian Watson's production improve?
150:01He's probably one of the guys, especially now another year removed from the injury. When you talk about playing your main guys more, he had 72% round
150:10participation last year. He it's such an obvious one to to play him a lot more.
150:16And like even even down the stretch, you know, in week 16, he was at 69%. Week 17 59% 84% in the playoff game. like get
150:24him up the high 80s into the 90s even.
150:27That would be huge for Christian Watson.
150:29But it's also something where I'm not sure he fits this matchup like great because are you getting 17 yards downfield, you know, before you're
150:38you're getting rid of the ball here against this blitz. Um I feel similarly about Golden. I think he'll probably have a a higher AOT as well. Uh Jaden
150:47Reed, maybe it could be okay for him.
150:50He's a lower AOT player. 9.58 out last year. But yeah, overall it's just like I'm not I'm not confident in love in
150:58this spot because of my respect for Flores. So, you know, it's a little bit it's like I I have the concentration of
151:05the offense. Like I I do believe with floor there that he'll he'll play these guys way more. Um the guy I'd be most
151:11excited about normally I think is Craft, but but you know, he's coming off an injury and I'm I'm not 100% sure what
151:18we're going to get from him in this first week. So, >> right. Uh, do any of these guys jump out to you, you know, on the Packer side as
151:25weapons? Are you interested in Lloyd? I mean, Lloyd should get at least a good amount of work.
151:29>> Yeah, it's it's real tough because you even talked about like uh the the volume that the Vikings faced last year.
151:35>> And the thing is is that they were still they were number one in they were like a lot like the Browns. Like they just
151:40faced a lot, but they were really good defending it still. Like they allowed the fewest fantasy points and yards per touch to running backs last year. And we
151:49still have a guy who's largely unproven, especially in pass protection. He was a really bad pass protector coming out of school. And I'm assuming not playing
151:55football didn't make him better at pass protection. Maybe, maybe it did. Um, and we just don't really know like are they
152:01going to be forced to throw? Like it's really tough to get a gauge on the back field and saying like to be bullish on
152:06even Lloyd. Uh, I think there are upcoming weeks while Jacobs is still this matters like unresolved or he's on the exempl list. You feel good. This is
152:14how I like wrote the pack. Like their schedule gets really good after like the next month, but like you just have one
152:19tough spot on the road here, right? Like it just we got to get through it.
152:23>> I think the the pass catchers you could play with lowered expectations. Reed, ironically, like two of his three highest scoring games of his career have
152:31come against Brian Flores. So like maybe the low eight out stuff and the creation he has like that that aids him in this
152:38regard. Um, I mean that's anything like you're not going to say like I'm going three for four here, but like maybe
152:43that's just an out if you were like on the fence. Like I you took Jaden Reed versus like maybe Josh DS or something,
152:49right? And like you're trying to break a tie.
152:52>> Yeah.
152:52>> Uh something like that. Maybe you break that. Like you're not elevating Jaden Reed like over dudes you took as wide
152:57receiver threes, right? Like >> No. No.
153:00>> So that's where we are, man. That's just where we are.
153:04>> Yeah. It's a tough one on the on the Viking side. um more optimistic. I mean, I was I've been kind of, you know, a bit
153:14of a Murray apologist this off season.
153:16And I mean, frankly, relative to the Murray opposition, I've been like super super correct because, you know, it's like you're never going to be a starter
153:25again was kind of the attitude. And it's like, no, he's definitely is. And then, uh, he goes to Minnesota. It's like,
153:30well, he's, you know, J.J. McCarthy is gonna be Oh, he is. JJ McCarthy's gonna beat him out.
153:35McCarthy stinks. And he stinks so bad that I was I was digging into this stuff from last year. I'm like, the way I try
153:43to frame it in the walkthrough is like, hey, imagine last year if the Vikings had had Bryce Young. That would have
153:50been a huge improvement on what they got from JJ McCarthy. Like it it it's the whole offense could have at least
153:59functioned. Like there's a huge difference when you look at guys like what McCarthy, what Zack Wilson has done over the years, frankly, what Cam Ward
154:07did last year with the Titans. You hope that, you know, he improves in year two, but you get these guys where they're
154:13playing the level of quarterback that you can't do anything with it. Like, it's impossible to work with. Then there's another level above that where
154:21it's like, this is frustrating and we're never going to get where we want to go with this guy, but it doesn't like kill
154:27us every week. And that's kind of where Bryce Young, you know, was last year and and probably will be again.
154:34>> Yeah.
154:35>> Kyler Murray was at level above that.
154:37Kyler Murray's efficiency last year was in line with Jaylen Herz's and it was a bad year for Herz, but it wasn't this
154:44like ultra awful season and he's been better than that typically. So, it's like, you know, McCarthy and uh or
154:54sorry, Murray and and Okonnell, I don't think are like a perfect marriage, but I do think Murray can provide like a
155:02massive boost from what McCarthy was uh providing. And I think he can be better than than what Carson Wentz was providing as well. And so, you you have
155:11everything else is here. You know, you've got Kevin Oonnell, you've got these weapons. Uh the bar is kind of low for for Kyler Murray. Like I don't think
155:20we need the best of Kyler Murray. I think we need Kyler Murray to be a little bit better than last year. And
155:26like we're cooking with gas here. It's it's kind of like hard for this like not to be at least like oh this look this is awesome you
155:36know like because because we're all so scarred by by what the Vikings were last year you know.
155:44>> Yeah. Kyler is at I'm very interested like the to see the full reveal uh finally happen because I'm curious to
155:50see like where the marriage is between what Kevin Oonnell has done and versus what Kyler Murray is good at. Uh because
155:57they're two very different things, right? Because he tried to make JJ McCarthy run his offense and it didn't work. And Kyler is also like a guy that
156:04doesn't play under center, doesn't rip throws over the middle of the field for group and he's he's not big like uh and
156:10I'm curious to see like what he acquies in the offense to do that. But uh the difference between Kyler and guys in the
156:16past that have like been in this bucket of like do we hold the candle still like Russell Wilson and Deshawn Watson is we
156:22didn't have to pay for it this year.
156:24Like that was my whole thing. I was like like why wouldn't you take a shot on Kyler Murray as like a QB2 in this range
156:30because like if he sucks who cares like you just get another dude you like but like the upside here is actually pretty
156:36significant. Uh, so like, >> well, you're drafting him, you're drafting Kyler behind guys he was literally more efficient than last year
156:44in a season he got benched and it's like, well, so you think Kyler's going to get worse with Kevin Oonnell, you
156:50know, like that it just Yeah, I I drafted a ton of Kyler Murray. I thought he was >> he was a smash. But
156:56>> but I do think one of the things that's going to change in this offense that could maybe bring that marriage together
157:02and it's actually I think been under reportported this off season is that the Minnesota Vikings brought in Frank Smith uh to be their offensive coordinator. Uh
157:10Frank Smith was the offensive coordinator and the run game coordinator under Mike McDaniel uh the last four years in Miami. Uh and the Minnesota
157:20offensive line they've just been snake bit like is a very good offensive line.
157:24Uh they are bringing a big-time emphasis on like the outside zone runs. This is where Jordan Mason is absolutely cooked.
157:30I mean the past two years uh he's 11th in yards per carry out of 69 running backs. So 100 more carries and yards per
157:36carry and outside zone, 13th in success rate, eighth in explosive run rate. I think they're going to be a way more
157:42runheavier team than they've been in the past because I also think Kevin Oonnell knows he can't ask Kyler Murray to do
157:50these things. I think he learned last year. So, how do you get to coax out the best of Kyler? I think they have to be a
157:56more balanced team, and I think they're going to run the ball a lot more than they have in previous years. Uh, and you
158:02know, you're going against this team now. The Packers, uh, aren't going to have a healthy Michael Parsons to start the year. Uh, they were really bad
158:08against the run without him last year.
158:10And not that he's he's way better pass rusher, too, uh, than he is a run defender. They're out Rashan Garry. Uh
158:16like so I would I could see this game like being like uh kind of slower and maybe uh more emp but again this is all
158:24like stuff like I'm projecting this. I'm I'm curious to see the reveal. Like I want to see the reveal. Yeah.
158:28>> But uh I I do think the Vikings have the look of a team that can effectively run the ball and probably wants to run the
158:35ball more because I think that's how you get the best out of Kyler Murray.
158:40That's interesting because I mean they're both backs were were pretty cheap in drafts this summer. I mean obviously Aaron Jones is an older back
158:49might be completely washed. I drafted a lot of him because he was like in the 120s 130s and I I you know looking at
158:56Jordan Mason's profile he has been kind of shockingly efficient. Like even last year he was in the 85th percentile in rush yards ever expected per game. Um
159:05which is like pretty damn impressive given how poor the offense was. However, he had a 3% target share that 0.32 yards
159:13per out run. He's just gonna offer nothing there. And I do think that Jones won't be like a true backup as a runner.
159:20I think he's going to be kind of a committee 1B runner, but he had a 13% target share. Still okay in the
159:28efficiency department, 1.07 yards per hour on that 60th percentile for a running back. So, a lot better than Mason. And I I I think I still prefer
159:37Jones this week as just like a PPR kind of scammier or play. But if >> from an upside perspective, I think you
159:44sold me on Mason as being like the dude, >> if they do bring in, you know, more of this uh zone running and more run
159:52heaviness that that would flow through Mason.
159:54>> I was basically handling Mason as a cleaner way to play for JK Dobbins.
160:01Like, >> yeah, >> I like that. That's like basically what I like said. Like you know what you're getting in terms of like he needs
160:08touchdowns for you. Like weeks you don't get touchdowns from him.
160:11>> He's not he's not just not gonna catch you passes, man. He's just not. No. And like so like Dobbins has always been
160:16going ahead of him, but then you're buying the injury history still and you know Dobbins had 37 receiving yards last year. So it's like I was like why don't
160:23I get the healthier guy has easier schedule and that. I actually was drafting Aaron Jones too for the because I think he's like a best of both worlds
160:30dudes because they don't want to give Aaron Jones the workload he had the last two years because he got he's gotten
160:35hurt he's at his age like he's gotten banged up like he's you know uh you know he missed five more games last year with
160:40you know hip shoulder toe and hamstring issues cuz he's they've had to extend his workload at different points of the last two years more than they wanted to.
160:48>> Um but he still can run too like he still can run as well and he's gonna catch up more passes than than Mason.
160:54And so I do think that that this I'm like I said, I think that this backfield can work. The offensive line obviously
160:59has to stay healthy. It's been a bugaboo for this team the past three years basically running now is keeping all these guys together, but I think that's
161:06how you get the best out of Kyler Murray, too. Uh so I'm intrigued by the offense, but like I said, I it's we
161:13haven't seen it yet, so I'm waiting for the reveal.
161:19>> Thoughts on Jefferson and Addison? I mean, obviously, you know, they're locked in as the top two guys.
161:24Jefferson's a superstar, but, you know, how optimistic are you for Jefferson to bounce back to what he was versus just
161:34not it being a total disaster like last year? Yeah, I'm I was willing to find out, but the fact that his ADP just like
161:42basically stayed the same, I was like, "Oh, we're not going to price any like like anything back into this like any
161:48like I don't know if I could do that either, right?" Like I like I am very optimistic, but I also wasn't like let's
161:53just draft him back to where he was pre like cuz that situation also doesn't exist cuz Kyler Murray has facilitated one player for fantasy football as a
162:02pass catcher and it's DeAndre Hopkins and that was literally just outside the numbers in a Cliff Kingsbury offense throwing like hitches and go routes. Uh
162:10Justin Jefferson is is good enough to do stuff like that, but like Justin Jefferson since he's entered the NFL on this offense, like the dude is a middle
162:17of the field murderer. like he's he's killing on digs, posts, all that play action stuff that Kevin Oonnell runs.
162:24Like there's a reason he had his best stretch of fantasy games last year with Carson Wentz because Carson Wentz will rip those throws for better or worse.
162:32>> JJ McCarthy will not rip those throws.
162:34I'm hesitant to know if Kyler Murray's going to rip those throws. So, I I'm very interested in the talent of Justin
162:40Jefferson. I think that it can work out.
162:42I was just not paying like the full price again. Uh but I have him.
162:47>> What about Trey McBride? I mean, Trey McBride had, you know, uh, 111 receptions in 2024 >> with 146 yards.
162:55>> Getting getting like tight end scheme stuff versus a number one receiver is is is different.
163:01>> It is, but I'm saying, you know, it is also more over the middle of the field.
163:06He had 15.2 points per game, which is disappointing for Jefferson, but >> he's running stuff like uh, you know, interior hitches, like mesh and stuff
163:14like that, and like that's just not what Jefferson's going to be doing, right?
163:17Like uh it's the same reason why like >> I I was definitely into Brock Bowers cooking in this offense, but like when
163:23people were just saying like Brock Bowers is going to be Jax with the jig, I was like no, he's not they're not
163:28going to do you can't ask him to do the Jackson with the jig with thing as good as Brock Powers is like. Right. It's the
163:34same thing.
163:34>> It was more conceptually that's Yeah. Um so I'm curious to see how the marriage will work out. Uh I want Justin
163:42Jefferson to be good. I hope he I hope he smashes. Do you think Addison fits any better with Kyler or not?
163:47>> Not really. Uh but >> I I think these guys are good football players though. So I was in on the the
163:54Addison's Price a little bit because of where he was going.
163:56>> Yeah.
163:57>> Um because I do think he's a good football player. I mean I even go back to college when everyone when Kenny Pick
164:01was going the first round. I just remember watching every Kenny Pick. I was like, "Oh, that dude's pretty good.
164:05The receiver he just bo like that guy's pretty good." Like, so I was drafting it down because he was going like in the
164:12wide like wide receiver 45 and stuff like again like I'll just throw darts on dudes I think are good at football at a
164:18certain point.
164:19>> Just just to you know free advice to NFL teams. If you signal openly that you're going to take a quarterback in the first
164:25round and then don't feel the need to trade up for that player because everyone knows that you're taking them and they're actually cool with it and
164:32hope you do. Maybe don't maybe don't take him.
164:38But I probably won't play like Jefferson and DFS. Uh >> okay.
164:43>> I don't think so. I mean there like I said like we we talked about so many guys in like just really good spots at
164:48the top that have a little more confidence in. But I would love to get like a reveal that like we could start
164:52treating him as like a locked in wide receiver one. Again, >> that's one of those ones we talked about the information not burning us. I could
164:58see not playing Jefferson and being like, "Oh, the answer was Jefferson."
165:03>> Yeah, it's true. you know. So, that's one where I'm if I don't end up with the Jefferson lineup, I'm going to be
165:09probably pretty nervous about it. Um, all right, final game, Commanders at Eagles. Uh, we've got two new offensive
165:17coordinators in this game facing off. I don't know if it's sort of an equal match. should seem, you know, one one
165:26guy has been getting a lot of positive buzz and the other guy has been getting uh beat writers saying it's, you know,
165:32the worst offense they've ever seen. So, thoughts on, let's start with kind of the new offenses for both teams. What are your thoughts there?
165:41>> Yeah, these are very curious situations, right? you're asking two quarterbacks that we just haven't seen play under center and uh I don't have either of
165:48these guys like high school data but like I assume that they weren't really under center in high school either given the type of quarterback athletes they
165:54are. Uh and you got to be really nervous I think for the commander side at least the open year I've I've like kind of
166:00labeled them like if it works if this ends up working it's going to be like last year's Jaguars and maybe you're not
166:06going to have that kind of pop but I think it's going to take time. This is gonna need stuff in the oven because you
166:11have the tonsil injury in play.
166:13>> They go at Philadelphia, at Dallas, and then Seattle the first three weeks of the year. Like >> I mean like how are you how are you
166:22supposed to be like bullish on like this the layout there? Uh then like the back end of the season they have like all
166:27these cupcakes like Cardinals, Titans, Falcons. Like >> it could look a lot better with at the end of the line, but I think it's going
166:33to be really turbulent to open up here.
166:35Uh, and this is another team, too. Like, how long?
166:37>> It could get that could make things more turbulent because Dan Quinn's not like, does he get to those cupcake matchups?
166:44>> Yeah, it could be. Um, but it's like they're another team that when we talk about the Bengals, like they want to do
166:51this, but can they stick stick with doing it?
166:54>> Yeah.
166:54>> You know, given the state of the offense of the line, >> should they stick with doing it?
166:57>> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Should they even be trying it >> right >> like right now? Uh, so I think it's gonna be a bumpy ride. It's hard to have
167:06any faith in this matchup. Uh, with a committee backfield, like we're not expecting to be able to run the ball in
167:12this matchup. You know, healthy Jaylen Carter. This team was awesome. The secondary is awesome for the Eagles. The one weakness the Eagles had last year
167:20was cornerback two was terrible and now they added Reek Woolen. So, like it's not even like a hole anymore. Maybe now
167:27losing Reed Blankenship opened some stuff up. Uh, but like who's taking advantage of that here? So, with the tonsil injury, the matchup, them being
167:36on the road, I I don't have confidence in any of these guys, man.
167:41>> Yeah.
167:43Yeah, I feel you. I mean, the one guy I think I'm I'm two guys I'm actually most intrigued by in this um matchup are
167:52Jakori Kroski Merritt. um more from a seasonl long perspective where it's like I'm willing to take the leap uh with him
168:01and Chica Conquo. Again, more from a seasonl long perspective. But the reason that those two guys jump out to me, it's
168:07not really anything to do with the matchup. It's just that the way I think I win is that they have bigger roles
168:14>> than they were kind of priced to have where, you know, Bill was was talked up um towards the end of camp as being kind
168:22of having done enough as a as a pass catcher where they don't feel like he's just such an obvious he's here to run
168:29the ball type of player. And it just he needs to be a plausible threat in the receiving game. And they don't even need
168:34to throw to him like hardly ever. But he can't he needs to be able to be on the field when there are drop passes.
168:40>> Yeah. There are passes.
168:41>> Yeah.
168:42>> Yeah. And that is not where he was last year. It was it was a real problem. He had 36% of the team attempts. He had 39%
168:51of the team snaps. You know, he's not he just wasn't getting uh 25% route uh route participation was 25%.
169:00>> So, he just wasn't running routes. 3% target share. Uh they they need to get him up to where they can at least
169:07threaten that a little bit. It sounds like they have or at least they're optimistic that they have. Maybe he'll pull a Tyrone Tracy and we'll never see
169:15him again uh after week one. But, you know, for now, I think I'm I'm I'm hopeful that he is going to have a much
169:25bigger role and he's an explosive runner, so you can kind of get there with him just like, "Oh, oh, damn."
169:31Like, he's he's like a clear-cut starting running back. That's awesome.
169:35And then Chiga Conquo has been a part-time tight end his entire career.
169:40He was at 64% round participation last year. They could really use him as a third receiving weapon. and they were talking him up in a big way before the
169:50dig signing. Obviously, that's going to hurt his targets, but I don't think it hurts his routes and uh you know, he
169:57could be out there 75%. Could you get it, you know, kind of a 10% bump from the mid60 to mid70s, maybe even into the
170:0380% range? That would really that's sort of a different type of player when you get a tight end who is a pass catcher
170:11and he's running 75% rout participation, something like that. um you're kind of drafting him with with the idea that maybe he's in the 60s, he ends up being
170:20in the high 70s. You kind of just win on that and then you hope obviously that variance goes your way with, you know,
170:27the way these these matchups don't tell us everything, right? So that those two guys just because of the role uncertainty I'm intrigued by, but it's
170:34it's not because they're playing the Eagles defense. That's that is not ideal.
170:39>> No, no. I mean, this is another team, 20 point team total. Road Dogs. Do we even get the 20?
170:45>> Um, right. This this will go a long way though if David Blau does do some things that are creative. Uh, you know, gets
170:50Terry McLaren targets that are away from Quinn Yan Mitchell. I thought Brian Flurry on the Thursday night game did an amazing job with Jackson Smith and Jigba
170:58in that game because he had all but one catch against someone that wasn't Christian Gonzalez. Like they were moving in the back field and I I don't
171:04think you can do those types of things with Terry McLaren. But, you know, one of the initial quotes when David Blau
171:09took that job was like, "How do I get Terry McLaren 10 targets per game?"
171:12Well, against Quinan Mitchell in this in this Eagles defense, like buddy, you put to the test right away.
171:17>> I would also say that's bearish because in offseason, you're supposed to be getting guys 20 targets a game.
171:23>> Yeah.
171:24>> So, the fact that he only said 10 worries me a little, >> but Terry's had no success in this matchup. I mean, uh, he does have two
171:33touchdowns in the five games the past two years, but he he has his highest receiving yards in this matchup, 60 yards. Uh, fewer than five catches in in
171:40all but one. Five was max. He's had three or fewer catches in three of the five matchups. Just it's tough, man.
171:47Quinn Mitchell's that good. It's the same thing. It's >> Yep. Uh Eagle side. I'm I'm Sean Manion's been one of the guys that I've
171:56been excited about this off season. Uh I have a lot of Jaylen Herz. Uh I've drafted Saquon Barkley. Mai Lemon's my
172:05highest drafted player. Um, I don't anticipate him having a huge role this week, but I'm excited about what he could look like when he gets up to speed
172:12for sure. Uh, but with the idea that Mai Lemon's going to play a more limited role this week. And I'm not that
172:20impressed with Dantavian Wix. I know he had that that fun rookie season back in what, 2022, 2023. Um, but he hasn't been super
172:29efficient. Yeah, it was 2023. He hasn't been super efficient in 2024, 2025.
172:34uh you know be the number two outside wide receiver. But I think when you look at the way things will probably go for
172:42as long as Wixs is like the number two guy, I think that's just good for Smith, for Devonte Smith, like the offense
172:48running through him more. Um and this is a Commander defense that like they were a get-right spot for bad, you know, or for struggling offenses. I
173:00mean, the the the Lions when they, you know, couldn't seem to figure stuff out on offense like, "Oh, we're playing the
173:06Commanders. We're good." You know, it's just like they were so slow and really, really poor last year.
173:14Uh, new DC, so so maybe things pick up a bit, but I do think that the Eagles could be really efficient here. Uh, I
173:24think they could get Saquon Barkley rolling. I think they could be doing some some fun, you know, passing game stuff off that, some of the play action
173:31stuff off of that and I think it could be really effective. So, Goddard, Devonte Smith, and Barkley, you know, the kind of the key pieces right out of
173:40the gate here all jump out is pretty interesting plays where I I think, you know, the Eagles favored at home. I I
173:49think they're going to deliver on that.
173:51uh given this defensive matchup >> they have the opposite of what we talked about with you know David Blau's layout they have you know this if there if
173:59there are like if there is a learning curve for Jaylen Herz you know playing this offense and acclamation period and you know we've already heard the
174:05whispers this offseason like people are now starting to look at him for all these coordinator changes they're saying wait the one common denominator has been
174:13this quarterback that's also won us a Super Bowl and gotten us to another one >> well that's a I mean Herz is
174:19>> Herz is a tough one because he clearly has weaknesses and he's like he is limited in kind of the things you can
174:26ask him to do. But like >> blaming him for offensive coordinator changes is kind of hard when like >> why did Stiken leave cuz Oh, cuz he got
174:35a head coaching job.
174:36>> He got a head coaching job. Yeah.
174:37>> Well, so did Kell Moore.
174:38>> Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Milton Moore, too.
174:41>> Pull was just bad.
174:42>> Then Padilla was bad. And who was the other guy? Brian Johnson. They were both just bad.
174:45>> Yeah. Brian Johnson.
174:46>> Yeah. So >> they got no other jobs.
174:48>> They got no other jobs. So he's either has had two guys who got head coaching jobs and still have those jobs or guys
174:54who didn't get other jobs. So >> yeah, that's true.
174:57>> I'm like that seems like a pretty unfair framing that he's constantly getting new OC's.
175:03>> But they if there is like an acclamation period like they have the layout commanders, titans, bears to like kind of work through like any type of you
175:11know they have they have like a lot of leeway, right? like the the the air band is a lot wider than it is probably for
175:17the commanders to open the year. Uh >> for sure.
175:20>> So yeah, >> I I definitely think though the as this is like coming together, the most obvious thing is like we're going to
175:29>> have Saquon Barkley like we're just gonna we're gonna have Saquon Barkley, right? And we're going to be our defense plus Saquon Barkley can is going to let
175:37this thing come together, right? Like so I think they're going to swerve into the run uh while still like doing some of
175:43the stuff they want to do because all again all the stuff that that Manion probably wants to do is predicated off
175:48of playing under center and doing stuff.
175:50Um and the offensive line's healthy right now. Uh the guys went and got stem cell uh in in Europe this yeah Jurgens
175:59and Dickerson went to uh forget where they went but they definitely went and got injections overseas. Uh, so you've got you've got Saquon fresh again and
176:08Saquon still like like we knew there was going to be regression and it takes a lot of pulling parts to like have that
176:15type of regression and he still had 1,400 yards and 19 touch and nine touchdowns like like >> it's not like this dude was a complete
176:22bomb like it just what you paid for and where the expectations level were coming off of his 2024 like you felt
176:28disappointed. But he played one game against Washington last year 130 yards and a touchdown. Like I think they're going to be able to run the ball here
176:35even with the additions Washington's made. I think there's still a lot of question marks. Uh Dofawa and uh Kavon Chasan have been injured. They are
176:44they're probable to play. It looks like they were limited in practice, but you know, Sunny Styles uh they added um like
176:50it's it's still a spot where you just look at the Eagles being home favorites.
176:55They they have this to lean on, right?
176:57And it makes me just bullish to say like Saquon's in a really good spot. like we should be a little bullish on him too.
177:04>> I agree. Yeah, I think Saquin I mean that's like one of the things it I've called Kevin Patulo a Kell Moore cover
177:10band where like he just tried to do all the same stuff but it was so much less effective.
177:15>> Yeah. And I think my hope with Manion in part is that he can do different stuff that will have a similar effect to what
177:26Kellen Moore was doing where you know he understands like what the end result should look like >> and you know Patula just felt more like
177:34yeah okay so you just run the ball a ton with Saquon Barkley and you know be predictable and it'll all work out.
177:44It's like, no, you have to stay ahead of the competition, but you've got some real advantages u with a, you know, the offensive line
177:51and Barkley and and these weapons and a quarterback who does some stuff really well. You know, he's far from a perfect
177:58quarterback, but he's, you know, you've got clear advantages with Herz, you know, as well as some things you have to work around. So, uh, I I think this
178:06offense can can really like obviously not every single offense that we're excited to to rebound this year, uh, or take a step forward will do so. Um, but
178:16some of them are going to in some really exciting ways. And the Eagles are on the short list of of teams that could just
178:22be a big time bounce back um after after a down season last year.
178:28>> Yeah, for sure.
178:28>> To your point, Barkley was still pretty good. Yeah, I mean it's just, you know, versus expectations, you know, it's you
178:34have that. He had one of those years, man. I was thinking that was going to be a JSN thing, but uh it is not it is not
178:41going to crush again.
178:42>> 50% target share right away like right where we left off.
178:47>> And I thought they did a great job. I thought just creatively using him. I was very impressed by cuz cuz that touchdown
178:54that JSN had, I didn't even know he had that in his bag >> to be honest. Like I didn't know if he
178:59was a guy you could give a four yard reception to and he's just gonna burn past everyone on defense. I didn't
179:04>> Yeah.
179:04>> I was like [ __ ] if he's gonna start doing stuff like that. Like it's just inevitable, bro.
179:08>> I know.
179:09>> And it was it was fun too cuz he just he stayed like just ahead of everyone. Like it wasn't like you know it wasn't like
179:14watching Tyreek where it's like he's gone. He was like oh he's going to get caught. Is he not he's not going to get
179:19caught.
179:19>> Nope. He's not caught.
179:20>> It's sort of an optical illusion.
179:22>> Yeah. So >> but hey, you know that's you don't have to be. You need to be just a little bit
179:26faster. That's enough. So, I mean, yeah, he's he's gonna nuke. He's gonna nuke.
179:30>> Yeah, I'm with you though. Just you played Devonte. I I'm more bullish on Seaquan on the spot, but Herz, you're
179:35starting obviously Devonte, you're starting. I think you're starting Goddard.
179:39>> Yeah, agreed. Yeah, I think this this is a good one for God.
179:42>> Lemon, you're probably waiting and seeing.
179:44>> I'm waiting and seeing. I mean, I think if I'm waiting and seeing uh and I ended up I think on DraftKings, I ended up
179:48around 50% on Lemon because I did a lot of my volume. What you're hoping for with Lemon, at least these first two
179:55weeks, is he's getting mixed in against the Commanders and Titans, like games they should win and control. And then by the time you get to week three where you
180:03have this run where they play the Bears, the Rams, the Jaguars, and the Eagles are getting push, he's he's gotten that
180:10like acclamation period. He's starting to play more, and he's starting involved, and you see more of him like these weeks.
180:17>> Yeah, I I would be totally fine if he's running. I mean, first of all, I do think that he's going to run routes.
180:24>> Yeah, absolutely.
180:25>> He's like there's sort of this weird thing and I I feel this way more so than in years past where
180:32>> we got like really focused on routes this off season about like who's the number one, who's the number two. Like
180:39the number one and number two receivers aren't necessarily the guys who run the very most routes. It's the guys who get
180:46the most targets, >> right? And you know, there's so like Wixs can be the number two outside wide receiver for
180:56the Eagles and very quickly not be the number two wide receiver for the Eagles, you know, because Mai Lemon can just
181:04earn targets at a much higher rate. Like you could have a 14% targets per out run for Dantavian Wixs and a 21% targets per
181:12run for Mai Lemon. Like air outs ain't doing it at that point, you know? So that's where you know I I do think that
181:20like what what do you think Jan Datson's route participation was last year?
181:26>> Uh she geez I'm trying to think what was it was high though right because they were they they did run a lot of 11
181:31personnel was probably at least 75 right >> it was 71%.
181:35>> Okay.
181:36>> If you're telling me that Mai Lemon is at 65% >> right >> I'm stoked you know and I think and but
181:42I'm not like surprised either. I'm just like great we did it. Yeah, I still think it'll be higher than that. I I
181:47think these first two weeks the setup is to like they're going to probably control these games >> and you might not have like the super
181:53drop back rate. They're like getting almost like extended practice to to do some of these passing concepts.
182:00>> And then when they have to >> they're going to have to score points weeks three, four, and five. Like for
182:05sure. like they're gonna have to. Yeah.
182:07Uh and then you know that's when you get the where the 65 to 72% route rate is actually coming along with like actual
182:18high route numbers because they're growing more >> and Yeah. And then the targets per route runs really starting to shine through.
182:24>> Yeah. And at that point as well, you know, somewhere in there, you're hoping that, you know, kind of like Garrett
182:31Wilson early in his his rookie season, you're like, "Oh, this guy can play."
182:37And then, you know, you don't have he got kind of quiet again. And you know, these rookie wide receivers like you're
182:45you're taking him more for the end of the season. But I'm I'm thinking that Lemon I the Lemon stuff has been truly
182:52truly strange to me where he has continued to fall even after the hamstring injury kind of resolved and you know he'll like I said I mean I
183:01think he's going to run 60% plus of the route 65% maybe 70% plus like he's going to be out there plenty and I think he's
183:09really good so you know I'm going to get a chance to evaluate that see what we have you know for season long purposes
183:16But like you're saying, the matchups get tougher. Hopefully he pops off at that point. I am just waiting and seeing.
183:21It's a factf finding sort of situation with Lemon. But I'm also not playing Wix. I mean, I don't know what kind of
183:28league you'd be in, but like >> he was more baseball and stuff anyway, but >> yeah, >> you know, I I do think that the I think
183:37for now it's Smith. Like Smith is going to be the guy. They're going to run it through Smith. I expect Smith to produce
183:42quite well.
183:44>> Um >> Yeah. I think people forget like how good Devonte Smith was as a prospect like as a prospect was like incredible
183:51and you know was in offensive he played next to AJ Brown.
183:54>> Yeah. And I don't have a ton of Smith in best ball stuff because it's expensive and it's and again I'm thinking about
184:01what does the end of the season look like? But for for DFS >> to me these are the weeks, right? like
184:06if if >> you know if you do think Lemon's going to have a bigger role down the stretch, then the weeks when he hasn't fully
184:13established himself are kind of your money weeks for for Devonte Smith. So, he's someone I I also like this week in
184:18addition to Barkley. I I could see him being a big time alpha this week.
184:24>> 100%.
184:25>> All right, man.
184:27>> Think we did it.
184:28>> Kept you longer than you wanted.
184:29>> Yeah. So, no. Well, the the the concerning part is not that I missed my heart out an hour and 15 minutes ago.
184:36It's that I would have missed it if we started when we said we were going to.
184:43It's not that we went over. That's fine.
184:45I rearranged some stuff. It's that we that I'm worried about when we have another hour to work with that we're still going to go over. So,
184:53>> we'll get it we'll get it a little tighter.
184:55>> We try >> next week hopefully.
184:57>> The thing is we don't [ __ ] around though. It's it's just saying we have a lot to say, man. A lot to say.
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