0:00Talking flag plant players for the 2026 fantasy football season as well as some rankings risers and fallers with Evan Silva of establish the run. Evan, we
0:09podcasted a couple months ago and we talked about Kenneth Walker. You were in then and you seem to be all the way in
0:17right now. How excited are you about his first year in Kansas City and just how high of a ceiling does he have for
0:23fantasy football?
0:25>> Yeah, all the way in on Kenneth Walker this year to the extent that I have he's my favorite offensive player of the year
0:30bet at 40 to 1.
0:33Um, he's my my RB5 overall, my number nine overall player. I I'm surprised every time that I'm in a draft. Although
0:39I I feel like his ADP has started to move a little bit up. But I'm surprised every time that he lasts until like pick
0:4614, pick 15 because I think he's a locked-in fantasy first-round pick this year. It makes all the sense in the world for the Chiefs to build their
0:54offense around Kenneth Walker with Patrick Mahomes coming off of surgery to his ACL and his LCL.
1:01Uh, the Chiefs made Kenneth Walker one of the highest-paid running backs in the league. If you look at their pass-catcher core right now, Travis
1:07Kelce turns 37 a month into the season.
1:11Rashee Rice does not look good in training camp after having to rehab from knee surgery in literal jail.
1:18Uh, the Chiefs So, we have Brandon Thorn do our offensive line rankings at establishtherun.com.
1:24And Brandon Thorn has the Chiefs with the number eight overall offensive line in the league. I I I just I think
1:30especially with Mahomes coming off of the double knee ligament tear, I think that you can just make a really good case that at this point Kenneth Walker
1:37is the Chiefs' best skill position player. Um, his backups are Emari Demercado, who was basically in Kansas City on a veteran minimum contract, and
1:47Emitt Johnson, who is a rookie who fell to the fifth round of a really poor running back class. So, very little
1:57in-house competition for work. We know that Kenneth Walker is super super explosive. Defenses love to play against Patrick Mahomes in a cover two, soft
2:07defense soft defensive fronts. I just I I think Kenneth Walker's going to go ballistic this season.
2:13>> We've seen the the pass-catching ceiling in 2024 where he played 12 games, had 46 catches. The Chiefs have talked about
2:22using him in the screen game, using him in the heavily in the passing game. Are you also really buying in on Like,
2:30what's a ceiling outcome look like for Walker for you in terms of like raw numbers for catches?
2:37>> Raw numbers for catches. I think he could get near 50.
2:41Um and I I think he'd go for I mean, if we're talking about an absolute ceiling like 2,000 yards from scrimmage. I mean,
2:46I think that's in play for Kenneth Walker if he stays healthy and everything goes right. Obviously, everything's got to go right. You know,
2:52but if we're talking just strictly in terms of ceiling, 50 or so catches, 2,000 yards from scrimmage, you know, a bunch of
2:59touchdowns.
3:01He's just That's, you know, coming out of Michigan State, that was the big knock on Kenneth Walker was that he had so little
3:07experience in the passing game. But, he has gained that in the NFL. And I I think that with Patrick Mahomes I mean,
3:13he's just come out and said that he's not going to run this year. I think the Chiefs don't want him to run either
3:18coming off of the the knee surgery. That means he's going to be in the pocket dumping off a lot more. That's going to
3:24be really good news for the reception outlook of his running back of course of course Kenneth Walker.
3:30>> Yeah, I mean, I I've you're you're not the only guest I've had recently that's been all the way in on Walker. You've
3:35certainly been there for a long time, and he's moved up my ranks a little bit.
3:38You can find those over at rotowire.com.
3:41And I know Evan, your top top 150 ranking, he's also very very high up there. So, make sure you go check out
3:48both sets of rankings. Talk about Derrick Henry a little bit because he's sort of the forgotten man. Was the fantasy football league winner last year
3:55in the playoffs. We know for the the Underdog Best Ball Main Mania Championship, uh Sam Sherman won that one and he had Derrick Henry on that
4:04team. We've seen multiple FFPC NFFC very high finishers had Derrick Henry on their teams. He's sort of in his little own pocket at the tail end of the second
4:15round. You're slightly ahead of ADP on him. How confident are you with Declan Doyle's offense that Derrick Henry continues to deliver in a major way?
4:26>> I mean, I think that the extent of the analysis that we can do on Derrick Henry at this stage of his career is just
4:32is he going to defy father father time for another year? You know, and he's been doing this year after year after
4:38year. The dude is a total freak. I mean, he's like a Marvel superhero. Um so is he going to be able to I'm not
4:45really worried about Declan Doyle. I don't even know what kind of an offense Declan Doyle is really going to run. I
4:50mean, I I understand that, you know, he has some history with Sean Payton. He has some history with Ben Johnson, but
4:55he's what 30 years old and this is his first ever opportunity to call plays in the NFL. So I I don't think there's
5:01there's any really any analysis to be done there. It's just when you draft Derrick Henry, you are hopeful that he will be able to defy
5:08logic and father time again.
5:11And yeah, I mean, at this point in my rankings I have him in a spot where I expect him to. He's just he's every
5:17single year, you know, one of the favorites to lead the NFL in rushing TDs.
5:21>> Yeah, it's so interesting because when you start researching 32-year-old running backs, there's literally like no sample size. You've got Ricky Williams
5:29in 2009 who played 16 games, averaged 15 and a half points per game. Then you've got Priest Holmes who played only seven,
5:38but he averaged like 18 and a half points per game. That's it. That's the list. That's the only big fantasy relevant seasons for a 32-year-old
5:46running back. But I think if he stays healthy, Derrick Henry could just fall in the end zone a bunch of times and
5:51structurally, you're able to have him in a two running back start with guys like potentially even a Bijan Robinson, a Jamir Gibbs, a Jamar Chase. So, I yeah,
6:01I think it's for me it's I'm kind of neutral on Derrick Henry. I'm not reaching for him, but it's a hard player
6:07to fade and if the age apex applied for Derrick Henry, I mean, the guy just keeps blowing it out the doors. Next
6:12year we're probably going to talk about like where do we have 33-year-old Derrick Henry? There's no sample size whatsoever of a 33-year-old crushing.
6:20Really an interesting player for sure.
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7:47Talk about the very top of drafts cuz ADP's pretty locked in and rankings are pretty locked in. Uh most of us have
7:56some sort of set of Jahmyr Gibbs, Bijan Robinson, then it was Ja'Marr Chase or Puka Nacua for many.
8:04Puka Nacua now dealing with a couple of things. How are you treating Puka Nacua right now in your own rankings? Uh how
8:12open-minded are you to taking him if you're OTC at the 1.04 right now?
8:17>> Well, I think that from a team level, if you look at the Rams, I I I think that they are due for some potentially severe
8:25touchdown regression this year.
8:28Um first of all, their defense is so freaking loaded. It It's going to take off some of the take some of the
8:32pressure off of their offense. Matthew Stafford had a 7.7% touchdown rate last year, by far the best of his career.
8:41It was almost like Sean McVay was trying to get him the MVP. You know, trying to force-feed all these touchdowns to
8:47Davante Adams at the goal line. Kyren scored a bunch of TDs. You know, I I just I don't think the Rams are going to
8:54score nearly as as many touchdowns as they did last year. So, I think that that is a place to start with Puka
8:59Nacua.
9:00Why I lowered him recently in my rankings was just because of because Schefter is hinting at the possibility that Puka Nacua could face a little
9:09suspension to begin the year. So, I have him in the same tier. I think everybody's got this same tier with uh
9:17Ja'Marr Chase, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Jaxon Smith-Njigba.
9:22And so, I I kept him in that tier, but I put him at the bottom of that tier.
9:27Right now, I have Ja'Marr Chase as my wide receiver one, Amon-Ra St. Brown as my wide receiver two, JSN wide receiver
9:33three, Puka Nacua wide receiver four.
9:35>> Yeah, I think it's the it's definitely the the cautious approach with with Puka Nacua. I still have him at wide receiver
9:40two, but it's super close for those guys. I'd say the one guy in that tier of wide receivers that you're seeing
9:47some people not fading, but a little bit cautious with is JSN. Obviously, you have the coordinator change. Last year, JSN was
9:56just absolutely fantastic and the usage was unbelievable. You have him you continue to have him locked in as like a very strong middle of the first round
10:05pick. Maybe elaborate on that one a little bit. Any sort of concerns with Clint Kubiak now in Vegas or is JSN kind
10:11of too big to fail?
10:14>> I think that J that JSN losing Clint Kubiak is probably the primary reason why I have JSN
10:23uh behind Chase and and Amon-Ra St.
10:26Brown.
10:27Um So, I mean, I still have him as a first-tier wide receiver. Obviously, he's going to be massive in terms of
10:35target share. He's a total freak. I mean, he's like an acrobat kind of wide receiver.
10:40Um but no, I mean, I'm not really worried about, you know, anybody eating into his his targets. Just will the offense be as
10:47efficient as it was last year under Clint Kubiak? Clint Kubiak's like a true difference-maker.
10:53Um and we don't really know a whole lot about Brian Flores. So, I you know, that that's that's the extent of it to me. I mean, I I I love picking
11:01JSN. I just I would rather have Ja'Marr Chase and Amon-Ra St. Brown this season.
11:06>> Yeah, I think I think that makes sense.
11:08Amon-Ra St. Brown, I mean, it feels like the ceiling outcome with that Detroit offense is unbelievable. And kind of if we're looking at a historical trend, we
11:18haven't seen a uh a recent like back-to-back or near back-to-back wide receiver one overall finisher. It feels like it could be
11:26Amon-Ra St. Brown's wide receiver one overall year if things sort of fall his way after after sort of the usage last
11:31year and some of the problems we're seeing in the Detroit secondary and just how that game flow could go for those
11:36Lions. Um I'll continue the conversation a little bit further down into guys who would be second round picks according to your rankings. One player who you are
11:47ahead of ADP on is Chris Olave and the first show that I ever dropped when I came over here to Rotowire was five dark
11:55horse league winners. This was beginning of July and Chris Olave was was one of them for me. Last year we saw 150 plus
12:03targets, we saw 100 plus receptions, Olave stayed completely healthy and now the Saints offense looks like it's going to take a big step forward in year two.
12:12The recent buzz has all been about Jordan Tyson who I we talked about months ago. We were both in on Jordan
12:18Tyson, but talk about the value that Chris Olave presents as just a mega target earner in a good offense.
12:26>> Yeah, I mean there are specific offenses this year that I just want to hammer in drafts and make sure that I'm above ADP
12:33on players from within those offenses.
12:36The Chargers are one.
12:38The Saints as we're talking about here, the Bears, uh the Lions. Those are teams that really stand out to me that can be
12:46shootout teams this year and um Chris Olave, I mean you know, it's it's really not that hard I don't think to really get behind Chris
12:57Olave because we know that he's awesome.
13:00We know that he plays in an in an optimal offensive environment. The Saints have a bad defense they're going to have to compensate for. They play
13:06indoors.
13:08Kellen Moore wants to lead the NFL in offensive plays every single season. Um I think that Tyler Shuck is an ascending
13:16player. He has not had the greatest training camp so far. Then talking to Nick Underhill actually spent it sounds like Spencer Rattler has outplayed him.
13:23Not that there is a threat of Rattler overtaking him. You could actually treat that as a positive that maybe the Saints
13:30have an alternate if you know that that's the one thing that scares me about being high on the Saints is that
13:35you know, we have this fairly limited sample size on Tyler Shuck. You know, so that's how this could go wrong. If Tyler
13:42Shuck is not as good as he played last season, but they also do have a fairly decent alternative that sort of raises
13:48the floor for the offense in Spencer Rattler.
13:51Um but I mean Alave is the the you know, he's he's the best player on the team.
13:54Although talking to Underhill like he thinks that Jordan Tyson could emerge as the best player on the team, you know, by around
14:01mid-season.
14:03>> Yeah, I saw that quote and I heard you and and Adam Levitan talk about that as well. I mean that's just a scary
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15:12>> And Tyson >> The comparison that I've made for for those guys is Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt. I and I think that they kind of
15:20play similarly to them, too. They're not like big physical imposing tackle breaking wide receivers. You know, they they do play indoors, but they are
15:29they're separation specialists. And I that's how Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce were.
15:35>> Yeah, it's I mean that's an unbelievable comparison. I think you could look at it as Chris Olave in in round three. Jordan
15:41Tyson consistently was going inside of the seventh round in leagues like FFPC and and sometimes in NFFC. Now we're going to see Tyson sort of living in in
15:51round six. I think you should be open-minded to drafting both of those players. Does your enthusiasm level for the Saints extend to Travis Etienne
16:00who's become sort of a a little bit of a polarizing player. I've said that he's a little more of a structural pick right
16:05now Evan because of the presence of Kamara at least siphoning a number of those backfield targets sort of limiting the ceiling outcome for for Etienne. But
16:16are you a little bit higher than I am on on Etienne?
16:20>> I like him okay. I I like him when he falls a little bit past his ADP. You bring up the the Kamara thing. I think
16:27that that's like a legitimate concern because Alvin Kamara, what has he always been really really good at? You know, obviously he's lost some juice. He's
16:33older now. He's not going to be a full-time back. But what has he always been good at? Scoring touchdowns in scoring position and playing in the
16:41passing game. And that's what we need.
16:43Those are the you know, the characteristics that we want in our running back. And if he cuts in at all to Travis Etienne near in scoring
16:51position and in the passing game, that's going to hurt. Um and that's what I'm worried about because they're you know, the Saints are bringing back Alvin
16:59Kamara. He is a legacy on the team. I think that they do kind of need to carve out a role for him and it makes all the
17:06sense in the world for that for that role to involve getting the ball in scoring position and getting the ball in
17:11the passing game.
17:13And and if you look at last year like you know, Travis Etienne has I guess are we are we calling him Etienne? We should
17:19call him Etienne, I guess.
17:21Travis Etienne >> What do you call him whatever you want to call him?
17:24>> Call call him whatever. I'm curious is is Trevor Trevor Etienne going by Trevor Etienne? I think that's the ultimate, you know, if Trevor if Trevor starts
17:32going by it as well, then I think we got to do it.
17:35>> Okay, Travis Etienne last year had, you know, the goal line role ripped away from him in favor of Breashad Perriman in Jacksonville. I
17:42mean, Travis Etienne his the way that he runs he's a little little straight line-ish. He's not you know, he he's not a a great short
17:50yardage goal line back. You know, and NFL teams have told us that before.
17:54So, again you know, reading the tea leaves here, you know, trying to put the puzzle pieces together, it seems like Alvin
18:00Kamara would make sense as the Saints goal line back.
18:04>> Talking about one other running back that's in a similar range, you are way ahead of consensus on Javonte Williams.
18:13He's at running back 16-ish, running back 17 in some formats. Uh talk about your enthusiasm level for him and how effective he could be this year for the
18:23Cowboys.
18:27>> Well the Cowboys, you know, they're the Cowboys first move of the entire off-season was to release a linebacker.
18:36I I can't I think his name was I think Logan Wilson. The The Cowboys second move of the off-season was to lock up
18:43Javonte Williams.
18:45Um and then over the course of all they do not draft a single running back and they did not add a single running back in
18:52free agency. The Cowboys love Javonte Williams. The Cowboys are going to score a lot of points this year. Uh Brandon Thorn has the Cowboys with the number
19:00nine offensive line in the NFL this season. Um I just Javonte Williams is not going to come off the field. Uh and
19:08I know that there's been some hype on Jayden Blue and I I I will draft Jayden Blue late. But, Jayden for the Cowboys
19:15if his head is on straight and he's totally bought in and he's not wearing his Louis
19:29Vuitton cleats, you know, so he's getting blisters all over his feet. But, um I'm not really worried about Javonte Williams as it as it pertains to Javonte
19:37Williams. Javonte Williams He He has a chance to lead the NFL in rushing TDs this year.
19:42I think there's also a chance I think that if Javonte Williams if everything sort of runs out perfectly for him, he
19:47might be a little bit more like a like a Keeton Mitchell type for them that they just get some manufactured touches for.
19:53But, Javonte Williams last year was very effective as both a runner and a receiver. And then like you said, the offensive line in Dallas, we've got
20:02in our rankings by Dan Fornic, I think we've got Dallas even even higher up in the offensive line overall ranking. So,
20:08we're both in in in lockstep that that's going to be a really good line, a really effective offense, and the scoring
20:13opportunities are going to be there for Javonte Williams. For me, I just think there's some drafters that are uncomfortable paying this new price tag
20:20for him after multiple disappointing years with the injury run out. And then last year being able to get him in like
20:27the close to double-digit rounds, it's like the kind of profile you want to fade in like the historical dead zone.
20:33But, the offensive situation couldn't be any better. Sticking with Dallas, you've got George Pickens about where I do.
20:40We're We're a little ahead of ADP with him. You've got Both of us kind of have We're about in line with CeeDee Lamb.
20:47Not quite sure what CeeDee Lamb's ADP is as of today, but it's a right around the 1-2 turn in in most formats.
20:53What's the percent chance that George Pickens just straight up outscores him again this year? I I talked about this with a number of people where if I'm
21:01trying to find the best value between the two, I I tend to lean towards Pickens. And then you've got a whole
21:06'nother group of people saying, you know, the last time we saw CeeDee Lamb play a full-on season, wide receiver one overall year, Lamb is just going to
21:15dominate targets, and it's going to sort of be like it was for many previous years. But, I can't get away for what
21:19with how effective Pickens was last year. The drumbeats feel sound really good right now. They're moving him around a little bit more, and it's year
21:27two for him with Dak, year two for him in this offense. I think the ceiling outcome for for Pickens is fantastic.
21:33Where you at on this one?
21:36>> Um that's an interesting case that you sort of present there. I mean, CeeDee Lamb runs super high-percentage routes in a very, you know, fantasy-friendly He
21:45just has one of the fantasy-friendliest roles in the NFL among wide receivers.
21:50So, I I think that what Pickens would need to do would be just, you know, lap him in touchdowns. I mean, Pickens is a
21:57freak, too, though. I mean, he's He is an He's one of the most exciting players to watch in the league. He He
22:03truly is.
22:04Um but the role in within the Cowboys offense is a lot friendlier for CeeDee Lamb, and that's what makes him the
22:12favorite to lead the Cowboys in receiving.
22:15Um but, I mean, it's it's not out of the question. I mean, what what would you put in terms of percentage? Like, 55-45?
22:21>> Yeah, I think that's about it. Um and I think the market might have it a little bit higher than that. I think they're
22:26just so used to seeing Lamb outscore him, but what if Pickens has a higher ceiling than we saw last year? I know a
22:33couple of those spike weeks were with Lamb, and then when Lamb came back, he was playing a little bit banged up. But,
22:39I think there's also a chance Pickens just takes it to another level.
22:43Third-round George Pickens uh shares feel extremely dangerous right now, and with Lamb, I'm not getting any sort of discount. I'm having to use that again
22:53turn pick for him, which is really where he was going in 2023 when he finished as the wide receiver one overall. Uh so, I
23:00don't know. It's a It's a really interesting interesting uh way to play it. I think you can be open-minded to drafting both, but if the Dallas Cowboys
23:08are going to print this year, I know you mentioned in the four teams you were you were targeting, Dallas could easily be
23:13right up there with them in terms of overall scoring, and I think they will.
23:16>> Absolutely. I should I should have included the Cowboys among those teams, the shootout teams.
23:20>> Yeah, so that it's a really an interesting way to play it, and I think getting Pickens is just a great way to
23:25attack that Dallas team, and I think if you want to build correlation, those Pickens stack Prescott stacks could be really really good. You're Is Dak a
23:35player that you're targeting? We're going to We're going to briefly talk about quarterbacks later, but are you also trying to get exposure to Dak with
23:42these players? I know certainly in best ball you probably are, but how about for from a redraft lens?
23:47>> Yeah, a ton.
23:49A ton. Um Yeah, I've done like maybe like 50 or 60 drafts at this point. Um vast majority best ball, but I like to build team
23:59stacks in those. And yeah, one of my most common team stacks will involve like Dak Prescott, Javonte Williams, um
24:08one of the two wide outs, uh Flournoy late, Ryan Flournoy.
24:13Um so, yeah, I I'm definitely on board with Dak Prescott, no question. I drafted him in the FFPC Pros vs. Joes. I
24:19did a Cowboys stack in the FFPC Pros vs.
24:22Joes.
24:23Um so, yeah, totally on board with that.
24:26>> Are you changing anything with your approach to with Jalen Tolbert after we find out it's going to be a month out
24:32with the groin injury?
24:33>> No.
24:34>> No, just leaving it alone.
24:36>> Yeah, I think that what happens here is that uh the the Bears almost milked this to kind of keep Jalen Tolbert out of harm's
24:46way.
24:47Um because I mean he's he's going he's going ballistic. Did you see Mike Clay said that he's like the most overvalued
24:53player in fantasy?
24:55>> ESPN uh >> This This is going to be really interesting, man. Mike Clay is awesome, okay? Mike Clay is really, really good
25:00at what he does.
25:02But that is That's a hell of a take, and I I I think I vehemently disagree.
25:07>> Yeah, there's the I I will say I I love Mike Clay as well. I think Mike Clay might be might be coming on this show.
25:13So, not a not a not a not a criticism of of Mike Clay, but criticism of the the ESPN default rankings this year feel
25:20really, really exploitable. Uh so, I'm sure I'll get a chance to to pick uh Mike Clay's brain on that one about the
25:26Luther Burden thing. I also disagree with him, and I think Ben Johnson disagrees with him, which is really the most important thing there.
25:33>> Yeah, I'm going to In in this particular instance, and look, Mike Clay is usually right, okay? In this particular intent
25:39instance, Mike Clay, I'm going to side with Ben Johnson over you.
25:42>> Yeah.
25:43>> Um but uh I'm teasing. Uh Mike Clay is like a good buddy. Um but what what I was saying is that I think that the Bears
25:51are going to end up milking this with Luther Burden. They might even take it up to week one, put him on the injury
25:56report as like limited, limited, questionable, just to mess with their week one opponent. Um or or I could also see him return it just returning to
26:04practice the week of week one. He practices fully, he's not even on the injury report. Like, I'm not worried about this groin injury whatsoever with
26:12Luther Burden.
26:14>> A wide receiver going close to Luther Burden that you have high, very high up in your rankings. You're definitely ahead of consensus on Tee Higgins, who's
26:23just had some awesome fantasy seasons, especially when he's playing with Joe Burrow. Uh you're you're well ahead on ADP with with Higgins. Talk about that a
26:32little bit.
26:34>> Yeah, it's really nice for these Bengals players. This is another fairly easy team to stack. Um with, you know, say
26:41you get Chase Brown early in the second, even, you know, at the one-two turn. You can get Higgins in the third. You get
26:48Burrow in the seventh. Um Juszczyk really, really late, if you know, he's like a tight end three. But I mean, this
26:54is another very stackable team. Tee Higgins has been a top 20 fantasy receiver in four of the last five seasons. So, that
27:02that gives you a floor. What also helps his floor is that the ball distribution in Cincinnati is so narrow. They have
27:09not, you know, the Bengals have really resisted adding a third receiver that matters. And they also really don't And I just brought up Gesicki. But they they
27:19don't really have a tight end that matters, either. Um, so that makes a very narrow ball distribution. Tee Higgins is a touchdown scorer. Joe
27:28Burrow is awesome. I think he's on a mission this year, as well. Um, so to me Tee Higgins is a high floor, super high
27:36uh ceiling wide receiver. You know, obviously if something were to happen to Ja'Marr Chase, I mean, Tee Higgins could compete for the league lead in in
27:44fantasy points among receivers.
27:46>> Yeah, I mean, we saw the Joe Burrow 43 touchdown season in 2024. It feels like there's a potential another level there.
27:54And I love the Bengals this year because it's so consolidated touch-wise between uh and really usage-wise between Chase, Higgins, and Chase Brown. There's been
28:02also some recent buzz with Eric All. I think all that says is that Gesicki's kind of role is is a little bit tenuous
28:09and there's no second running back to Chase Brown that's going to command touches. So, they're really easy team to draft. And if you like those guys, Joe
28:17Burrow quarterback five, kind of the way that uh quarterbacks are going in some of these leagues, that could still mean seventh round Joe Burrow. So, you're not
28:26having to pay that crazy premium. So, really, really a fun team to attack. One take that you had recently on your
28:32podcast with with Adam Levitan. And congrats to you guys for getting to show 1,000 there. That's uh that's really cool stuff right there. Adam joined me
28:41earlier this off-season here on Rotowire, as well. Um, one take that you've had recently, and I think people are not really talking
28:48about this, but it's Devonta Smith over A.J. Brown for you. It's not like a huge gap between the two of them in your
28:55rankings, but when you put ADP into play, Devonta Smith becomes the clear value to you in terms of where they're going on the board.
29:06>> Yeah, I think this is more of a a sort of anti-A.J. Brown stance here. Um who I don't know. I just feel like people
29:16are making a lot of assumptions about A.J. Brown.
29:20I I mean I have him as a top-30 overall player in fantasy, the wide receiver 14.
29:24I think that that's pretty rich for a receiver who's 29 years old, wide receiver changing teams. He had career lows in yards per target, yards per
29:33reception, and success rate last year.
29:37Um he's missed time with hamstring injuries in each of the last two seasons.
29:41The Rams looked into trading for A.J.
29:43Brown, but they backed out because they were worried that he has a degenerative knee.
29:49Um if you read Matt Harmon's Reception Perception write-up on A.J. Brown, Matt Harmon thinks that he's a player in the descent phase of his career. So, to
29:58me like I think I'm aggressive on on A.J. Brown, yet the entire industry seems to think that he's like a second-round fantasy
30:08pick. I I'm just not getting any A.J.
30:10Brown in drafts because of it.
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32:08Yeah, he's he's definitely steamed way, way up. I was in an NFFC draft last night where he went at the 202. We've
32:15seen him go inside the first round in a couple of those NFFC leagues. Smith just sort of living inside of round three.
32:23And if he takes on similar usage to what we've seen with A.J. Brown and now we have a Shawn Mannion at OC, he could be
32:33a really, really fun pick.
32:37>> Yeah, I think that you can say that the entire Eagles offense this year gets a coaching bump just like addition
32:46by subtraction moving Kevin Petula out of there inserting Shawn Mannion.
32:52Devonte Smith obviously gets the big bump from A.J. Brown going to New England, but he also gets the coaching bump. So,
33:01yeah, I mean a lot of things here are coming together for Devonte Smith who I think has shown or at least flashed the
33:08ability to be a true number one receiver. I think he's going to excel in that role.
33:12>> Yeah, and Smith has missed a little bit of time at training camp, but it sounds like he's working out on the field
33:17today. So, no real reservations on him missing significant time.
33:22Definitely an interesting value. Another player that you are high on not really like above consensus, but you're very confident in Mike Evans this year
33:32producing in a major way in San Francisco. One interesting thing that I was reading is Brock Purdy's going to end up being the
33:39the longest tenured starting quarterback in in a Shanahan offense which I thought was a really interesting way to look at it. The elite play caller, but he's had
33:49so much turnover at the position. Now he's got sort of a signal caller that's been there for multiple years and really
33:56seems incredibly comfortable in the role. Just how confident are you in Mike Evans as his number one target especially with the Ricky Pearsall
34:03injury.
34:05>> Yeah, Pearsall is out for the year.
34:08George Kittle is 30 he turns 33 in October. He's coming off a torn Achilles.
34:13Christian McCaffrey's 30 years old coming off a career high in touches.
34:17Um Jauan Jennings is gone.
34:20So, I mean it's just it's a really really fragile uh skill position group in San Francisco. I I think that you can lump
34:28Mike Evans into that because he is 33 years old. He had hamstring stuff last year. He He is a fragile pick, but
34:36that's the reason that we can get him in the fifth round. Um he's got monster upside. I mean, you know, that
34:43Brock Purdy's a stud.
34:45And there's just so much usage available in a consistently um hyper-efficient offensive environment under Kyle Shanahan.
34:55I I think it's a great year to draft Mike Evans. Let's hope that he stays healthy. I mean, I have a ton on Mike
35:00Evans. I need Mike Evans to stay healthy. Give me 14 15 games, I think he'll smash.
35:05>> Yeah, I mean, the rollout could be kind of similar to what we saw with Davante Adams last year. He could just score a
35:10bunch of touchdowns and and deliver in that regard. Uh I had Scott Barrett on recently uh and that's one of his Exodia
35:17guys this year flag planting Mike Evans in a huge way. So, yeah, definitely some smart guys on on Mike Evans. I'm usually
35:23trying to fade these old guys at wide receiver, but I think Davante Adams was like a big lesson for a lot of people
35:29last year that these guys don't age the same way. And also, we have the truly elite play caller uh in Kyle Shanahan
35:37with Mike Evans. So, it's the vibes could not be better. All the beat reporters are in on this one. De'Shawn Scrubbling getting a lot of positive
35:43buzz as well, but in terms of that being the main target competition at wide receiver, I think Evans has a chance to
35:50do some really fun things this year. Uh one more wide receiver that you are higher on in consensus and is going in
35:57the eighth round is Jayden Reed. Is this the way that you're playing the Green Bay wide receiver room? Uh right now you've got Reed sort of right
36:07around round eight. You got Matthew Golden around call it round 10.
36:12Christian Watson right around that five six turn. So, there's some enthusiasm for all three of them. Is Reed like your guy among the three?
36:21>> I would actually say that Watson is my guy.
36:23Um but I also have been drafting a ton of Jayden Reed. I love that the Packers are streamlining their wide receiver
36:29group now and they're not going to be Matt LaFleur's talked about this multiple times at this point that they're not going to be using those four
36:37and five receiver rotations that they had in previous years. They're going to roll with Watson, Jayden Reed, and Matthew Golden as their primary three
36:46receiver set. Obviously Tucker Kraft at tight end. We talked about the shootout teams earlier. I I don't know that I would confidently put uh the Packers in
36:56that group, but I think that they have a chance to end up in that group as a shootout team. Their defense is is
37:01really, really declined and Micah Parsons not even going to be available until about week six. Um I think we're going to see them throw
37:10the ball more. I mean, I I I I think that Josh Josh Jacobs is on the back nine of his career. He's already been
37:15hurt at training camp. His efficiency fell off a cliff last year. You know, he's got the off-field stuff. Um I think
37:24that we're going to see the Packers throw the ball a lot more. A couple years ago, it was in 2020 three.
37:30Um Jordan Love had almost 600 pass attempts and he was a top five fantasy quarterback that year.
37:38Packers are another team I like to stack and and and they're affordable to stack.
37:42They're easy to stack because they're affordable in drafts.
37:45>> I think it's really interesting when you when you look at the Green Bay wide receivers and and Watson's been sort of
37:50my guy for multiple months here.
37:52Open-minded to Reed and then I drafted Matthew Golden in an FFPC Main Event I think in the 10th round. There's so much
37:59contingent upside with those three guys too because there's not like that fourth annoying wide receiver. It's probably Savion Williams who's more of like a
38:07Swiss Army knife would be like the next man in. Not a big target earner in Williams. So if one of those guys missed
38:14any time, I think the other two would thrive. Then you've got Tucker Kraft who's healthy now, but if there's re-aggravation there, Luke Musgrave is
38:23is injured, so there's not like a second tight end. So, I'm with you. I think Green Bay's a fun team to attack,
38:29especially with sort of the the the unknown with Josh Jacobs right now. Um Jordan Love also pretty interesting interesting player. If they do go more
38:37pass-happy, I don't think ADP's baking that in. Uh we know he's got talent.
38:42Let's talk about one more running back, JK Dobbins, who you are ahead of consensus. I think some people are avoiding this Denver Broncos backfield
38:51entirely, but they're going to be a really good offense, number one all rated offensive line by pretty much everybody ranking offensive lines right
39:00now. Uh we have a lot of confidence in in this offense scoring points this year, and Dobbins is a player that you
39:06have ahead of of ADP.
39:09>> Yeah, so the Broncos are going to have I mean, they're set up to have awesome field position all year long. Cuz
39:14they've got a top three or top five defense, and as you mentioned, the best offensive line in football. So, let's not like overthink this. I understand
39:23that there are flaws in JK Dobbins' profile, okay? He's He gets hurt every year, you know, he he doesn't catch a
39:30ton of passes. I get it, but like he's the lead back in a really really good environment, and JK Dobbins himself is
39:38really freaking good. 5.2 yards per carry in his career, 5.1 last year. He's got one of the best yards per carry
39:45averages like in league history, actually, uh over an extended period of time. So, I understand the injury history. I get it, and that's why we can get him in the
39:55sixth, seventh, eighth round. He He's an easy pick to me in the sixth round. RJ Harvey is a niche back.
40:03Um I think Jona Coleman is actually a really interesting late round pick, too, cuz he can play in the passing game and
40:08run between the tackles, and he's behind JK Dobbins, who has that injury history we discussed. So, Jona Coleman is another guy that I like drafting late.
40:16But yeah, to me, easy pick in the sixth and seventh round, J.K. Dobbins.
40:20>> Dobbins is a really fun structural pick.
40:22I I I think I'll I I like that seventh round value there if you're trying to play catch up at running back, or maybe
40:27you draft a guy like a Trayvon Henderson or a Brevyn Spann-Ford, and there's a little bit of indecision with their role. You can sort of play catch up with
40:34with J.K. Dobbins, and you could get a really strong run out. We know the injury history for him has been really
40:39unfortunate, but last year he started out the year red hot. Could be a similar run out. He could be a 14-15 point per
40:46game guy for the first five six weeks of the season, and maybe, just maybe, Evan, we get like a a season where he actually
40:53stays healthy. So, I'm very open-minded to him as well. Is this the year of the tight end in fantasy football? It feels
41:00like a year where Bro- Brock Bowers, I'm all in on. Love Colston Loveland. Tyler Warren, I'm excited on. How are you approaching the
41:08position, and does it feel like a year that fantasy managers really need to have an edge pick at tight end?
41:18>> Um I think that there's a number of different ways that you can play it.
41:21Um but you know, for me anytime that I'm in the second round, and like all the dudes that I'm, you know, that I love are gone, like I'm I'm
41:32taking Brock Bowers. And I have Brock Bowers in his own tier among tight ends.
41:38Um and then you drop down, I have Loveland as my tight end two.
41:42Trey McBride is my tight end three, and Tyler Warren is my tight end four.
41:46Um I I think that Kyle Pitts goes too late uh in drafts. He had 88 catches in 118 targets last year. He is not even 26
41:57years old yet. He's finally fully healthy. The Falcons gave a contract.
42:00They made They gave him the most uh guaranteed money of any tight end in NFL history. Uh and he has like so little
42:07target competition behind Drake London and Bijan Robinson. I think Kyle Pitts is Kyle Pitts is a guy like I've been drafting cuz no one wants to draft him
42:16and I'm I'm okay with that.
42:18Um, but then I think after those guys like I'm willing to drop down and Dalton Kincaid I think is really really
42:26interesting as a breakout candidate this year. Um, Tucker Kraft is all right. I think that Isaiah Likely is at least somewhat interesting. I liked Chigo
42:35Conkwo, but the Laremy Tunsil injury I dropped him down after that. Um, it's just it's a blow to the offense. Is, you know, are
42:46they going to need to use more of their blocking tight ends to sub in for Chigo Conkwo? That's been an issue for Chigo
42:51Conkwo historically.
42:53Just getting on the getting on the field to be a full-time player. When he has been a full-time player, he's been
42:58really good in fantasy. You know, Chig has 50-plus catches in in three straight seasons. I really like that signing by the Commanders, but the Tunsil injury
43:07sort of took a little bit of air out of that balloon.
43:09>> Yeah, I you named a bunch of players that I'm definitely open-minded drafting. I'll I'll I'll add Dallas Goedert who's been sort of my
43:16not break glass in case of emergency, but structurally very appealing tight end. Tight end 15 and he just sort of stays locked in at tight end 15, but
43:25with Olamide Zaccheaus sort of slow out the gate and banged up, we know that Goedert had like a 20% target share and
43:32I think all of the things you said about the Shane Steichen offense sort of apply to Dallas Goedert as well. He's sort of
43:38locked in in his role. It also Irv Smith Jr.
43:41slow out the gate doesn't feel like a real threat at all. So, Goedert and but I like a lot of those names you
43:46mentioned at tight end. Are you part of the Terrance Ferguson hive as well? Are you joining us, Evan? Can we have you
43:52like pull up a seat at the table and start drafting some T Ferg or you already there?
43:56>> A little bit, yeah.
43:57Um, another guy that I worry about how much playing time is he going to be able to earn? I mean, the the Rams still have
44:02a million tight ends that they can use.
44:05But yeah, I mean, I think makes sense logically to be like um hey, you know, Terrance Ferguson could maybe be the Rams third receiver.
44:14And then you got Puka with some maybe some suspension risk. You got the arrow probably pointing down on Davante Adams' career.
44:23Um Yeah, I mean you you can build a solid case for Terrance Ferguson.
44:28>> How about quarterback targets for you?
44:30You mentioned you've done a bunch of drafts and then you've got a bunch of redraft leagues sort of playing out.
44:35Mike Leone back in the redraft streets with you guys next couple weeks. Always enjoy watching those live drafts with you and Leone.
44:43Um who are some quarterbacks that you're targeting and sort of your general approach to the position this year?
44:52>> Yes. Uh Leone and I and Adam Levitan recorded our you know, we do the show called Man vs. Machine.
44:59Um and I I think it went well. I feel like it wasn't as funny as it has been in years past, but I I think it was I
45:07think it was a pretty good show. I hope that people really like it. I I'd actually we're recording this on Thurs-
45:12Thursday morning.
45:14Um I think it will be out later today.
45:16>> Who won? Who won, Evan? Who won?
45:18>> Oh, I mean that doesn't matter.
45:21>> Okay.
45:22All right, there we go.
45:23>> No, Levitan gave Leone the win, but I mean it was ridiculous. Like his reasoning is just I mean he's a
45:30I love Adam Levitan, okay, but he's a terrible judge.
45:34We actually we had a guy um hit us up who's like an actual like federal US judge and he wants to judge
45:42the Man vs. Machine going forward.
45:44Wouldn't that be freaking amazing?
45:45>> That'd be awesome. I don't know if Adam Levitan would like What What would Adam's role be? Like a juror or
45:50something at that point?
45:50>> he Dude, Levitan needs to seed the responsibilities. We We need to get somebody better, you know, to to be the
45:57judge.
45:58>> That would be a fun one though, for sure.
45:59>> But um quarterbacks. All right, quarterbacks. We've got to stay locked in here.
46:03Um, yeah, I mean, we talked about I mean, Dak Prescott, you know, Joe Burrow.
46:08Those are guys I've been taking a lot of Jordan Love. I mean, you can get Jordan Love as your QB2 pretty late whenever
46:16you want.
46:17Um, I really like Jared Goff this year.
46:19I I you know, we talked about the shootout teams again.
46:22Jared Goff is very, very affordable. And I mean, this is this is an opportunity for him to like lead the league in in
46:29touchdown passes. I mean, because the Lions have a their secondary is a really, really big problem.
46:36After losing Terrion Arnold, they're all kinds of banged up at safety. Um, we have optimism that the Cade Mays injury was was a little bit
46:45discouraging, but um, we you know, the offensive line for the Lions was an issue last year, but we have optimism that that's going to bounce back. Um,
46:56yeah, I think it's going to be a thing So, um, Drew Petzing, who is the Lions new offensive coordinator, he was
47:03willing to drop back Jacoby Brissett like 50 times a game last year. The Cardinals led the NFL in pass attempts and
47:13uh, allowed the fifth most sacks.
47:15So, Drew Petzing is not afraid to wing it. And now he has like and he did that with Jacoby Brissett. Now he has like
47:23the picturesque uh, prototypical, you know, pocket passer here in Jared Goff. I mean, they're they're going to throw the ball a ton. That's one of the
47:32reasons I have Amon-Ra as my wide receiver two overall. Love LaPorta.
47:38Um, you know, obviously this is all going to help Gibbs. He's awesome in the passing game.
47:42Um, you know, Jameson Williams, I'm above ADP on Jameson Williams.
47:47>> I love that take. I actually did a this year's JSN show where we did kind of looking at historical comps. I did that
47:53with Dave Kluge a couple days ago and Jared Goff is the 2026 version of 2025 Matthew Stafford was sort of my big
48:00takeaway there. That we've seen three straight years of 30 plus touchdown passes. I think the career high was like 37. I think this year it could be
48:09something wild. It could be 42, 45 touchdown passes. I'm with you. I'm all in on these Lions. Really, really a fun
48:16team there. What's your favorite way to start drafts, Evan? Like we're hearing a lot of people sort of advocating for the
48:23hero running back. I've heard some people talking about robust RB where you go running back, running back. Do you are you open-minded as a drafter this
48:32year or is there a start that you find yourself gravitating towards?
48:36>> I think it depends on the format. When I start drafting my FFPC Main Event high stakes leagues where it's full PPR, um
48:47you know, and I I think that I what I what I will do is I will go anchor running back.
48:54Um obviously, Jahmyr Gibbs would be optimal.
48:58Uh but Bijan Robinson, you know, Chase Brown, Jonathan Taylor, and then just hammer wide receivers and tight ends for the next like six or seven rounds.
49:08Um but it like in in Best Ball, I I I got to get two big-time RBs. I got to get two workhorse
49:14RBs. Hope that they stay healthy.
49:17Um but I because you know, if you try to go anchor running back in Best Ball, it's just you end up with like six
49:24running backs and five of them are, you know, part-timers or you know, situational players.
49:30And your team's just don't look as good, I think, in Best Ball. But FFPC Main Event, anchor running back.
49:38>> Yeah, I'm with you. It feels It feels like an anchor hero RB here because I think a lot of people are telling you
49:44running back, running back. Um and I think you can also open up with a hero RB start inside of round two, when you
49:53look at guys like a Kenneth Walker, a Chase Brown, those sort of values there.
49:58You could you could basically take a wide receiver in round one, follow up with one of those guys, and then sort of
50:02get it together when you get into the fourth, fifth round with your RB2, or even later. So, really interesting stuff. Evan, I've asked every single
50:11guest of mine this question recently, and we're going to end the show on this.
50:15If you could know the final stats of any player in fantasy football this year, who would it be?
50:21>> Oh my god.
50:24Oh, man.
50:26I think that Quentin Johnston would be a guy that I'd be intrigued intrigued to know because I I think that there is a a
50:34case for him to have a monster ceiling in the the new offense if he can lock down a full-time role in the two
50:40receiver sets, um which I think that he's I mean, Daniel Popper who covers the Chargers is saying that Quentin Johnston should keep
50:48that. I also think that there's a scenario where like Quentin Johnston is terrible, loses his role to Trey Harris.
50:55You know, so if I if I were to pick a player to for, you know, there to be a reveal and
51:00me to know their final season stats, it would be somebody like that who I think that their range of outcomes is like
51:06extremely wide.
51:08>> Really interesting interesting answer there. Yeah, and QJ's definitely moved way, way up in ADP. It would also tell us a lot about the Justin Herbert season
51:16as well, and maybe the Mike McDaniel offense overall. Evan, this was awesome.
51:21Let everybody know sort of what you have coming up for out throughout the rest of August over at ETR.
51:27>> Yeah, I'm always updating my top 150 rankings at establishtherun.com.
51:32I would do a change log where I sort of explain why I make changes as training camp progresses, and then the the big
51:41article that I will have out next is my shy away list, which will name, I don't know, somewhere between like 25 and 40
51:49players that I'm drafting around uh this year.
51:53>> That's always a really good article every single year. Sort of your fades list. Um and it's extensive, too. So, make sure you check out everything
52:01Evan's putting out. Make sure you stick with us here at RotoWire. We're going to be dropping shows like this every single
52:07day in the month of August. We're going to help you crush your fantasy leagues this season.