7 NFL Coaches Who Might Be "LYING" To You ('26 Fantasy Football)
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0:04Identifying players that fantasy managers need to keep an eye on early in NFL training camp, breaking down some of the most recent coach speak to try to
0:13find edges to win in fantasy football.
0:16Theo Gramminger, RotoWire lead fantasy analyst, joined today by Greg Brennos of the Coach Speak Index. Greg, a lot of talk early on heading into training camp
0:25about some uh beat reporters saying that the Texans are going to have a split backfield with David Montgomery and Woody Marks essentially splitting first
0:35team reps. I am dismissing this one.
0:38I've been all over David Montgomery sort of as a clear lead back there. Is there any weight in this one and can you kind
0:44of shed any light with the things you've seen this off season coming out of Houston?
0:48>> Well, it's really funny because we're actually getting split reports on a split backfield. Uh we we we we got the
0:55report from I believe Jane Slater saying that Woody Marks and David Montgomery were going to split lead back duties.
1:03And then we got reports from a Texans beat writer that this is going to be a lot of David Montgomery kind of bell cow
1:09role there. Uh do have a couple quotes here from the Coach Speak Index Discord.
1:15Uh the first one is from head coach DeMeco Ryans on May 28th. Said David Montgomery has been an outstanding addition for us. When it comes to his
1:23approach to the game, he's dialed in mentally, physically, he's in really great shape. I see the running back room as drastically improved by adding David
1:33to our team. And then offensive coordinator Nick Caley on June 4th said about David Montgomery, he's all day tough, his body of work will speak for
1:40itself, runs behind his pads, stays grounded, arm tackles aren't getting it done with him. He's going to try to run through you every single chance, but he
1:49can also set guys up. He understands how to set blocks and help deliver defenders to the blocker. And then you look at his
1:56pass game production. He's just got a really good feel. He's refined. He takes a lot of pride in his route running. He
2:03brings a lot. That's one of the many reasons I'm really excited about him.
2:08This is pretty bullish stuff for David Montgomery. And I I I I love when they without saying it explicitly, but they say it subtly where
2:19Demeco Ryans is saying that our running back room is drastically improved by adding David Montgomery.
2:25That tells you what he thinks about David Montgomery. That tells you what he thinks about the other running backs in that room. We saw Woody Marks last year
2:32be a very very inefficient runner. And actually one of the things that Jane Slater when she was saying, um, you know, I I I I expect them to split lead
2:42back duties. She was saying, "Well, well, look at Woody Marks last year. He led the team in rushing." Yeah, he had
2:48703 rushing yards on on a pretty big workload. He was not impressive at all.
2:53And he can't do the in between the tackles stuff. We knew this about him coming out as a prospect. They're here
2:59talking about David Montgomery being able to do that stuff so well. We've seen that uh throughout David Montgomery's career. This is a team that
3:06I think is going to want to really grind in between the tackles, really grind games out. This is the exact skill set
3:13that David Montgomery brings. And then you talk about the pass catching stuff, right? Where Woody Marks is is is expanding his route
3:21tree and and all this and people assume that he's going to get all of the past game work, but David Montgomery's
3:27actually really good in the past game.
3:29And he's also really really good as a pass protector as well. So, I I think David Montgomery is just so much
3:38better in so many categories that are important to a running back. We we we saw how much the Texans struggled with
3:45their run game last year. Part of it was the offensive line, but another part of it was Woody Marks being inefficient as
3:51a runner, and that killed them in the playoffs.
3:54>> Yeah, for me it's like, you know, when we talk about somebody says the word split, split it doesn't mean 50/50.
4:01Right. Split I mean, we're going to be talking about this could be a 75/25 situation where Marks is sort of like
4:07the contingent value handcuff, but he gets mixed in a little bit. David Montgomery's 29 years old. Like, him coming in there and getting the most
4:15touches in the NFL is probably out the window, but I think that this sort of report it's a kind of like the silly
4:21season, Greg, where, you know, somebody says something and then somebody retweets it and sort of runs with it, and it's like one beat reporter's kind
4:28of opinion in a way. I I you see it all the time. When you you mentioned DeMeco Ryans, I think one of the interesting
4:34things that you do over the Coach Speak Index is you grade these NFL coaches sort of on their honesty. Uh is DeMeco
4:43Ryans a coach that, you know, is is sort of in in your in your good graces, or is he one throwing curveballs at the
4:50>> community?
4:50>> He's not in our best graces. He's He's he's a little he's a little wild sometimes as as far as his reliability on stuff. And
5:00and this is one of the reasons why I I I I do like to look at these, like I was mentioning, things that may not be
5:09explicit that they're coming out and saying, but there's just subtext that is really jumping out at you. And and and and they're they're, you know, like
5:18subconsciously explicitly saying this.
5:22>> So, when we look at David Montgomery, very close to him in ADP, another running back who's been moving up most
5:29recently is Breashaad B Tuiton. This has been a a player where there's been a lot of discourse over throughout the off
5:35season, but we've seen Tuiton's ADP trending up. We've seen Chris Rodriguez's ADP trending down. What are the vibes for you, and what are some of
5:45the the indicators maybe on the coach speak side in terms of like quotes you've seen that make you sort of a
5:51little more optimistic about a Touton breakout this year, Greg?
5:54>> We got a really good one the other day on on July 21st from Liam Cohen in this interview he did on the
6:02Peter on on the Schrager hour with with Peter Schrager and talking about how Touton has had this really good spring how there's a bit of a learning curve as
6:13a rookie with protections and all the stuff that that comes with being a a rookie running back in the NFL and
6:18highlighted how hey, this guy started at North Carolina Central, then he went to Virginia Tech and then he came into the
6:23NFL and had this kind of a a learning curve and then he pointed out how you look at what he did in the
6:29playoffs, you look at some of the other games in the red zone, he does a great job of finding the end zone and then
6:36quote his yards after contact and rushing yards man, when he can get going and get downhill. I mean, he was 428
6:42coming out, he can fly. He was so conscious inches about ball security last year and doing right. Okay, now Touton, you've got it, you understand it
6:51more, now just go be you, like go do what got you here, go be special, that's who you are and we're definitely
6:59expecting Touton to have a big year for us and quote. They they've talked this off season and they talked a little bit at the end of of
7:09last year as well about how Touton was really special in college as this kind of breakaway runner and forcing miss tackles, but they
7:18didn't actually task him with a lot of that stuff last year. The those kinds of schemed up, you know, runs to the
7:24outside real special design stuff was was all for Travis Etienne last year and they used Touton in this short yardage role and they used him a lot at
7:35the at the goal line and they didn't even know that that was really in his bag, which I think is super bullish
7:40because Touton proved to them that I I can do this short yardage stuff. I can be your goal line back and be super
7:48effective and give you a really high success rate. Also, you happen to know from my college tape that I can do this
7:54other stuff, that I can be this explosive back. He has home run speed.
7:58He forced a lot of missed tackles in college and we didn't get a huge sample size last year. The people people like
8:05to point out, oh he he he didn't have many explosives. He didn't have any runs over 15 yards. Well, he wasn't in that
8:11role last year, but they knew but they know that he can do that. And they also found out last year he can do the short
8:17yardage stuff. So, people who were automatically assuming that Chris Rodriguez, because he has, you know, 10-15 lbs on Bashaul Tuton is is is is
8:26going to hog all the goal line carries, that's not the case. They love Tuton as a goal line back. So, I I I think all of
8:34this stuff is just really really bullish for Bashaul Tuton this year.
8:38>> Yeah, I'm with you. And I I'm I'm writing a uh zero and hero RB targets article on rotowire.com. That's going to
8:46come out soon enough. You can get access to rotowire using the code Theo20. Get yourself 20% off of any package. That's
8:53going to be a really good one. But I had uh Tuton in there as a target. Uh and that's sort of changed where a while I
8:59was kind of looking at him as a value, but signs are for me pointing towards it being a Tuton backfield. And I've always
9:06sort of been on the Tuton side of things, but for me it's like the Chris Rodriguez arguments get get lesser and
9:11lesser sort of as we move deeper into the summer. I think Tuton could end up having a really strong training camp
9:18here. And Greg, I I feel like it's like we go back to James Gladstone, the general manager, where when he was
9:24interviewing for this job, he presented Bashaul Tuton as like a priority target on as a day three priority target like during his interview process and like
9:33showed, you know, the the franchise, this is the kind of player that I want to go after. This sort of high-value
9:40touch, big play ability, home run hitters, sort of this analytical approach where NFL teams are valuing the big play more and more. Being able to
9:49rip off like 125-40 yard play is so important for NFL offenses these days that I feel like it's Tuton's going to get every chance
9:57to be a valuable contributor. So, I know you're drafting a ton as well, Greg. Are you drafting a lot of Brecial Tuton in
10:03your best ball builds?
10:04>> I am. I'm I'm I'm drafting a ton of him.
10:06He's he's still somehow going near that five-six turn a lot, which I don't think he should be.
10:16The you know, we we talk so much about upside. I mean, this guy provides unbelievable upside. Like if if he just
10:23gets the workload that Travis Etienne got last year, like that's a lot. And then another thing that I don't hear people
10:31talking about a lot is with Chris Rodriguez. This guy's an absolute zero in the passing game. And for Liam Cohen's offense to
10:42to to to really hum, right? To to fulfill the potential that it has, which we've seen in Tampa Bay, which we saw last year in
10:51Jacksonville, he needs a pass-catching back there. If If you have Chris Rodriguez in the backfield, the defense knows like, "Okay, this this guy's not going to be
11:01used in the in the passing game. This is one less thing that we have to worry about on this play." That that that
11:07really shrinks down the playbook for what Liam Cohen is is able to do. And And And when you have a, you know, an
11:13offensive maestro like Liam Cohen, like you don't want to limit that guy. Just like if you have a really great player
11:20who does a lot of things really well, you don't want to limit the the number of things that you're having them do.
11:26So, with Brecial Tuton in the game, it just opens up the playbook so much more.
11:29It gives you a a more explosion.
11:31Obviously, it gives you that the the pass-catching aspect that that is you know, we we saw Bucky Irving go crazy in
11:39Liam Coen's year as an offensive coordinator in in Tampa Bay. I think we could see something similar this year with with the Jacksonville offense that
11:47probably finishes top five in points scored this season.
11:50>> Yeah, I love your your optimism about the offense saying top five in in scoring this year. They were really effective last year. It's year two for
11:58Liam Coen and it's great call out you've made because it's been two straight seasons where we've seen huge ADP wins from a Liam Coen back. Bucky Irving
12:082024, Travis Etienne last year, and now Bucky and Braelon Allen now even in like the fifth round, there's a chance that
12:16if he runs away with this backfield and ends up getting the majority of the carries and the receiving work with how
12:22good this backfield could be, you know, you could be looking at a a top 14, top 15 type scorer and he'll beat his ADP as
12:28well. So, I think Tuton's very interesting. The elite athleticism, I remember Tuton sort of bragging that he's faster now than during the combine
12:36when he's running like 4-3 flat. The guy's unbelievable athlete. So, interesting one there. Let's talk about JaMycal Hasty because we talked about
12:45Montgomery, we've talked about Tuton.
12:47Those guys are going a little higher.
12:49We're starting to see more and more seventh-round exposure for JaMycal Hasty in a couple of these formats. Right now, the ADP is still in like round six, but
12:57Hasty is an interesting one. Even today, we're seeing some beat reporters talking up George Holani. Where are you at with this situation?
13:05Is Hasty sort of underrated in where his usage could be?
13:10Or do you share these concerns that some of these guys like Holani and Emanuel Wilson could limit the JaMycal Hasty ceiling outlook for the
13:19beginning of the season?
13:20>> Yeah, there there is a little bit of concern there. On on draft night, head coach Mike McDonald was asked whether
13:27Jadarian Price is immediately RB1 with Zach Charbonnet injured or does he have to earn his way up? McDonald said, "I don't have a standing philosophy. He'll
13:35come in, we'll coach him up, he'll probably get reps with all the groups at some point and we'll go from there.
13:40We're not just going to stick him right there with the ones, but he's going to have ample opportunity to earn a bunch
13:46of carries and a bunch of touches. They They They have not been super into like, all right, we got a bellcow running back. You know, we saw
13:56last year with with Kenne- with Kenneth Walker, who's a much better running back than Zach Charbonnet, and they pretty much split that that stuff last year.
14:05Now, part of that was managing Kenneth Walker and making sure that he was healthy for the playoffs, which you know, they ended up being right
14:14there, but I do think they are going to mix in Holani, they like him. I could see him definitely playing on long down and
14:22distance type stuff, but if if Jadarian Price is worth the selection as a first-round running back,
14:32like he he should be able to do what Mike McDonald is talking about of hey, he's going to have ample opportunity to
14:38earn a bunch of carries and a bunch of touches. So, it's really up to Jadarian Price and and you know, when when you're
14:47drafting, it's like, okay, how much do you believe in this guy's profile? The general manager John Schneider was asked about his skills as a runner that stand
14:55out. He mentioned Price's instant acceleration, his vision, cutback ability, contact balance, home run speed. I mean, I think Price is a better
15:03runner than than Holani. I think he's a much better runner than Emmanuel Wilson.
15:08So, I I do think we will see him be able to earn opportunities. The The big question for me is what happens when
15:17Zach Charbonnet comes back? Because we know how much they love Zach Charbonnet, and this is a guy who will, you know,
15:24help There's different reports on timelines for him, but pretty much all of them are like, "Yeah, he will be back by the time that the fantasy playoffs
15:32roll around. So, you know, if it if it's best ball, if it's redraft, if it's I mean, dynasty as well, right? Because
15:40Zach Charbonnet is still going to be there next year. And and and and how much work are these two guys going to
15:47split? So, for me, it's we Pat Corrain and and and and and I have talked about uh you know, chaperones.
15:56The guy who will get you uh there, and that's usually a veteran, but Jadarian Price is kind of a rookie chaperone for
16:03your team who uh if if if if you're at a certain point in the draft and like, "Ooh, man, I'm I'm kind of thin at at at running back,
16:11and uh I need somebody to just kind of get me through the first whatever weeks uh eight weeks of the season, then Jadarian
16:19Price could be a good pick, but it it could hurt to spend a sixth-round pick on Jadarian Price, and then you're
16:26not even able to to to play him when uh when the fantasy playoffs are here.
16:32>> Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting one.
16:33It affects the way you build your team if you're have to adjust, but running backs we sometimes have to adjust on the
16:39fly during the season anyway. Guys, there's attrition. Guys break down. I think there's a flip side argument that when Price starts falling into round
16:48seven, the opportunity cost gets a little bit easier, and you could end up with an incredible touchdown equity in this backfield. Like, every time we get
16:56one of these beat reporters talking up George Holani, I think the team does like George Holani, but you're talking about a undrafted free agent. Just how
17:04big could his impact be? Maybe on passing downs, I think he could be there. I mean, I've heard some bull cases for him, but I look at Jadarian
17:11Price, and he's sort of a player that people were beating up during the draft process. Now, it's sort of like rinse
17:17and repeat kind of beating him up during the the redraft process and I don't know. He's becomes very enticing in round seven. You know, you're talking
17:25about maybe drafting him as your running back three, potentially as a flex and there's a chance that we go through like
17:31the first 10 games of the year and he has like seven, eight rushing touchdowns because that offense could be good. So,
17:37I'm open-minded to to to price, but I think it's one we need to monitor sort of the the coach speak as well as the
17:43beat reporters and see if there's any like flip side arguments like where he just dominates first team usage and stuff in
17:49in in training camp.
17:51Greg, you're continually updating what you're doing over there at Coach Speak Index and I think it's very interesting.
17:57Like this is like your busy time where we're into NFL training camp. You start getting like the real talk. It's like
18:04the more important coach speak.
18:06Talk a little bit about where people can find your work and what you have coming out and maybe some recent buzz that
18:11you've heard really early on here.
18:13>> Yeah, they can find me at Coach Speak Index online and my my job is it's exhausting, but it's very fun.
18:23We we have a couple teams who are back for training camp right now. I believe July 28th every team will will be back
18:32by that time and it's just non-stop press conferences from then until the NFL playoffs.
18:39So, so I'm I'm I'm going to have a lot of 80, 90 hour weeks. There's there's like 4,000 press conferences and interviews and
18:47stuff that I watch every year and that all goes into the Coach Speak Index Discord. I have a separate thread for
18:54every team. So, as soon as I watch a presser, I put the notes in there and people can check those out. You can also
19:00go through the thread. You can search by someone's name, which is what I did today in preparation for this show. I
19:06went in and and and I searched like, "Hey, Jackson Dart." And I pulled up the the Jackson Dart quotes.
19:13Uh so, it is the biggest edge in in fantasy. And it doesn't matter what format you're playing, if it's redraft, if it's best
19:20ball, it's uh people call it a cheat code for dynasty because you can just immediately trade on information from press conferences that are happening in
19:29February. Uh it's it's it's an incredible resource.
19:34>> Yeah, it's awesome. You've been an invaluable like addition to the fantasy space since you got it going. Um like I'm always checking the Coach Speak
19:42Index. It's like when you drop something and and it's it's absolute fire. Uh if it's like sometimes it it can if it
19:48confirms my priors, it's like nothing better than when we get like a Greg Brando bomb and you get some coach like
19:54hyping up a guy that I like. So, yeah, congratulations on on all your success there. Didn't mean to cut you off. Keep
20:00it going.
20:01>> No, all good.
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21:56>> One of the guys that we both like a lot.
21:58We just got uh some coach speak today from Dave Canales on Jonathan Brooks.
22:03They're they're running back saying that he feels great, he feels strong, he looks fast, he looks like the guy that I
22:09remember, and I'm really excited for that. You can feel a gratitude on him.
22:13You can feel a focus and how important this opportunity is for him. They've been very bullish on Brooks this off season with their quotes. There's a
22:21quote back in, I think it was February from Dave Canales where he was saying that Jonathan Brooks could be their RB1
22:28this year. And you don't really hear that from coaches a lot talking about a running back who is not the incumbent
22:34running back. But they they seem very open to that. I think the fact that Carolina did not bring in another running back, I mean, if you want to
22:43count AJ Dillon, sure, but they didn't go out and get a running back in the NFL draft either. I think that speaks to
22:51their level of confidence in Jonathan Brooks this season. And and that's a guy who I've been taking a ton of. He
22:57started off in like the 140s and then went up to the 130s, 120s, 110s. I'm still taking him up to his ADP right now
23:04of right around 100. I I think this is another guy we talk about Breashaun Tichen versus Chris Rodriguez. I think when you look at
23:11Jonathan Brooks versus Chuba Hubbard and you look at those skill sets and what Jonathan Brooks brings to the table as a
23:17pass catcher, which Canales has talked about and how explosive he is in the pass game and then how explosive he is
23:23as a runner and how good he was as a prospect coming out. I I think he could just straight up without an injury with
23:30no no contingent stuff, just straight up take over this backfield by the midpoint of the season.
23:35>> Yeah, I'm with you. I've been very I I mean I've been hyping up Jonathan Brooks on multiple platforms here. I was doing
23:42it sort of at my old stop at Fantasy Points and I've continued to do it here at RotoWire. Um you know, it's sort of
23:48like the Jonathan Brooks dream never died for those of us that were so bullish on him coming out of Texas. It feels like he's
23:57been revitalized and has this potential new lease on life and Dave Canales is is completely buying into it and you talk
24:04about coach speak, Canales had moments of complete clarity with us last year during the Rico Dowdle situation where it felt like he was almost broken down
24:14by the situation and then just sort of talked up like, "Yeah, we've got to get Rico Dowdle more usage cuz the guy's
24:19ripping off these incredibly big games."
24:22And then he stuck by it. We had a couple weeks usage where Dowdle was getting like true bell cow workload. You know,
24:28you mentioned sort of the the DeMeco Ryans and former player worked for Shanahan. It's like being being like a little bit shifty with the
24:38media sort of plays into hand when you come from that Shanahan coaching tree.
24:42What are the coaches off the top of your head that have been honest with us and what are coaches that when you hear them
24:48you're like, "I don't believe a single thing this guy's telling me."
24:50>> Well, Kyle Shanahan surprisingly is actually very very reliable. You can take a lot of his stuff to the bank. I know people
24:58don't believe with that, but believe that, but you're when you when you argue against it, you're just arguing against data that I have in my
25:06database for going back to his first years as a head coach in 2017.
25:13That I mean he just tells it like it is. He's he's he's he's very straightforward. Um Dan Campbell is a guy that's super super
25:21honest. He'll he'll shoot you straight.
25:23Nick Sirianni is another one that that is that is very honest, but the problem with him is that he just doesn't give
25:29much actionable coach speak. Um he very rarely very rarely will speak on a situation, you know, with with actionable coach speak, whether it's
25:38injuries or depth chart or whatever, but whenever he does, you can take it to the bank. Uh one guy that you definitely
25:44have to watch out for is um Sean Payton of the Denver Broncos. Uh when when it comes to player usage and and workload,
25:54we we we've heard the Marvin Mims stuff so many times from him throughout the years of man, we got to get this Marvin Mims
26:01guy going. Okay, we're finally going to get him going. Uh we're going to involve him more uh in our offense, and then it
26:07just never never transpires. So he he has a 50% reliability rating on on um usage and workload coach speak, which is
26:15which is not good. And anything really under I mean I I I don't start getting like really confident uh in in
26:24actionable coach speak unless uh unless they have like 80% or higher, and then I feel pretty good. One once you get to
26:31like 70-75%, we start getting in that danger zone, and then any anything below like 70% is is is is pretty rough.
26:40>> Yeah, it's very very interesting. Um I I capitulate on Kyle Shanahan. I will not argue against your data. It's too good.
26:47Um but what's interesting is you bring up the Sean Payton one, and I think he likes being able to manipulate people
26:53and manipulate situations. I just remember the the NFL draft where when Denver drafted Bo Nix, he sort of uh he talked about the the Minnesota Vikings.
27:04He he um basically baited them into trading up for JJ McCarthy, or at least he like sort of he he sort of claimed that one, which I
27:14thought was interesting. I remember back to that one. So, and it constantly we're worried about like the Sean Payton rug pull when it comes to running back
27:21usage. So, that's uh that's definitely interesting. Make sure you check out Coach Speak Index. I love the little meters kind of showing the the the
27:28truthfulness of these guys. Let's talk about wide receivers. Is there a better hype man in the NFL than Ben Johnson when it comes to Luther Burden?
27:37>> If if there is, I don't know, man. And it kind of makes sense when you look at Luther Burden's skill set and and what
27:45he's able to do. So, I think Ben Johnson is just recognizing that because he's closer than than anyone, but we get this
27:51quote on May 28th from Ben Johnson saying, quote, I'm buying Luther Burden stock right now, end quote. Then went on uh to say, quote, when we drafted him,
28:00we saw an explosive athlete who was really dangerous with the ball in his hands. The question was, how can we get
28:06it in his hands? The easy things to do were screens or short throws, but I think there's a lot more to his game
28:13that we've worked to unlock, and he's been really receptive to how we can get that done. He ran a route yesterday that
28:19was the first time he'd ran that route, and he ran it as well as I've been around. So, things like that really get
28:26you excited as a as a coach, end quote.
28:29And then Johnson also talked about how Luther Burden is playing at a different speed right now, and he is not thinking
28:35as much. Luther Burden has consistently been the first name that Ben Johnson mentions whenever he's talking about his pass catchers this season. It's been a
28:43lot of Luther Burden and Kalon Loveland are going to be a huge part of this offense. Uh That that that's an actual
28:50quote from from Ben Johnson.
28:53And then we look at the the personnel that they are likely to run this year.
28:58We're likely to see some heavy personnel. You know, we saw them draft Sam LaPorta and they still have Cole Kmet there with Coleston Loveland. So,
29:06I'm expecting a lot of 12 personnel.
29:09We'll see some 13 personnel as well. And and and we know that as the personnel gets heavier, then that's great for the
29:16wide receivers who are out there because that kind of condenses the the available targets for for pass catchers. So, you know, we we could be in a lot of sets
29:26where it's just Luther Burden and Roman Wilson out there or maybe some 13 sets and and maybe it's Luther Burden out
29:32there because it's not like Ben Johnson said, it's not just the short stuff. We saw Luther Burden do you know, catch catch several deep balls
29:40last year, a couple for for touchdowns.
29:42And he is so good at the short and intermediate stuff. So, this is the guy that can win at all three levels and
29:49obviously one of the focal points of a Chicago Bears offense that we expect to do pretty well this year.
29:55>> Yeah, I mean, we remember how like different his usage was at Missouri between you know, 2020 2024 and 2023 where he
30:04had like the massive season and then it was like they used him in that lower A dot role and it is interesting because
30:10people try to pigeonhole what Luther Burden will be and they naturally gravitate towards like could he be an Amon-Ra St. Brown in this Ben Johnson
30:18scheme, but it's sort of like elements of many different players. The ability to have those Jameson Williams type plays where he can make big play ability
30:26too. So, he's really interesting. But like every everything you search if you just search Ben Johnson Luther Burden, you don't even need to go to the
30:33Coachspeak Index for this one. He goes, "I'm buying Luther Burden stock right now. Luther Burden is exactly who we thought he would be when we drafted him.
30:41This guy just loves football. It's like all these like constant praise and there were sort of the backhanded stuff that we heard last year when it came to like
30:50DJ Moore. Uh, so Ben Johnson's not one that's just continually hyping everybody.
30:54>> No. No, definitely not. This is This This guy's a hard ass, man. And and and you know, maybe it's Dan Campbell
31:03rubbing off on him. Uh, they were together down in in Miami and then obviously in in Detroit, but I mean it's it's
31:11probably more just Ben Johnson's personal makeup. Like this is a very very intense guy who doesn't have time for a lot of BS. Like let's let's let
31:19let let's talk about the truth, you know?
31:22>> Let's talk about Ladd McConkey. What are you hearing uh, coming out of um, you know, specifically Mike McDaniel and the
31:28rest of the coaching staff in LA? Uh, what are you seeing with the beat reporters? What are like the vibes with
31:33McConkey? He's been a player that I think a lot of the fantasy community has been trying to uh, project to be a huge year three
31:41bounce back guy after the unbelievable rookie season and the very disappointing year two. He gets the Mike McDaniel bailout in the off season. Where are you
31:50at with McConkey and what is your research telling you?
31:55>> Yeah, the vibes have been really good.
31:56Offensive coordinator Mike McDaniel on May 8th said, "I really saw him as a perfect fit for the multitude of ways you can get on the ball and how he takes
32:05low risk throws and completions and turns them into long gains and his ability to separate versus man coverage, all of that."
32:14And we also know that Mike McDaniel has changed Justin Herbert's footwork in order to get the ball out quicker and they're talking about how they want this
32:23more YAC focused offense, which is very very good for Ladd McConkey, good for Quinton Johnston as well, but I think we
32:32see Ladd McConkey, you know, Mike Mike McDaniel's the guy who uses a lot of motion uh in his offense and I
32:39think Ladd McConkey is going to be one of the guys that really benefits from this, getting moved uh pre-snap into advantageous situations. And man, like
32:50what an upgrade this is for the Chargers offense to get Mike McDaniel. And what an upgrade for Mike McDaniel to get
32:58Justin Herbert and this Chargers offense. I mean, we we saw the kind of stuff that he was able to do with uh Tua
33:05Tagovailoa, who was not a good quarterback. And now he gets one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and he gets
33:11guys like Ladd McConkey, Quentin Johnston, Rondale Moore, and you know, there there have been some good pieces this this offseason. I think uh I
33:16believe Ryan Heath was one who pointed out, you know, looking back to last year with the with a heavier personnel uh stuff that we just talked about for
33:30for the Bears that that helps Luther Burden. Last year, we saw that in Seattle helping Jaxon Smith-Njigba uh when when when they went heavy
33:39personnel. Now, with the Chargers, well, Mike McDaniel runs a lot of heavy personnel. It's a lot of 21. It's a lot
33:45of 12 and and some 13 as well. So, I I think that highly benefits Ladd McConkey.
33:52>> Yeah, it's interesting for me because I've talked about Ladd McConkey, who I view as a as a solid pick structurally,
33:58but he's not a guy that I'm reaching for. And shout out to Ryan. Ryan's super sharp. We've we've been arguing about
34:04this sort of for months about McConkey.
34:07Um and Ryan came on this show as well.
34:10Um interesting player because, Greg, he's kind of going around all these wide receivers that everybody likes. With your own personal conviction, have you
34:19been drafting, you know, a lot more Ladd McConkey than, let's say, you know, Chris Olave, Emeka Egbuka, Garrett Wilson, Jaylen Waddle, Luther Burden,
34:29who we just talked about? He's going like ahead or right next to every name I listed. So, it's like the opportunity cost of getting it wrong
34:39with McConkey could mean missing out on a wide receiver who's like a top-five scorer this year just based on some of
34:45the upside outcomes for those guys.
34:47Where are you at on McConkey sort of in his range of ADP?
34:51>> I think that is probably the toughest area of drafts this year.
34:56And and and it's because there's so many good options there. Like I have Zay Flowers, Ladd McConkey, Tee Higgins, uh Jaylen Waddle all all kind of in that in
35:08that same area. Uh you know, Tutu Atwell, McMillan, Garrett Wilson are are a couple other names there there as well. Olave's falling uh kind kind of
35:17mid-third round. So, man, it's it's it's really tough. It's so tough because I think there's so many good options that I I'm I'm just trying to play it kind of
35:27ADP value. It's like, okay, this guy dropped in this draft. You which which is it's it it it's something that you can
35:35do if if if you're getting a lot of volume down. If you're doing a lot of drafts. Now, for people who are who are
35:40just in a in in a couple leagues, man, like that's that's that's that's a pretty tough one.
35:46I think I'm like Zay Flowers uh then Ladd McConkey then Tee Higgins then then Jaylen Waddle. I do have Emeka uh who I know you love and I think is a
35:56really good player, but uh I I do have him after those guys just because I I I I think the situation for him is going
36:03to be a little bit tougher in in Tampa as far as the the competition that he's facing there.
36:09>> So, we talk about, you know, these higher-end wide receivers and and Burden and McConkey are sort of locked-in wide receiver twos. Let's go way further down
36:18the list and it's a very interesting range of wide receivers. We always talk about like uh a shout-out to Andrew Shelnberger who's a high-stakes FFPC
36:27drafter that I split some teams with over the years and he'd always talk about like the last draftable wide receiver and it's certainly not the last
36:35wide receiver you can draft, but the last group of wide receivers where you can make like an upside argument that they can really beat ADP and they're not
36:42just like a maybe a weekly good in best ball type. So, there's a couple of these guys that fall in line here where you
36:48look at like the wide receiver 60 range in drafts and you're seeing names like Jalen McMillan, Omar Cooper Jr. Then you
36:57got Jaelen Nailor, Trey Tucker and Denzel Boston and then certainly for Dallas drafters, Ryan Flournoy can be thrown into that mix, too. But you've
37:07got a wide receiver from Vegas here that you wanted to discuss and when we're looking at the Clint Kubiak scheme, you know, Bowers in the
37:15JSN role, you've got Ashton Jeanty in the dare I say it Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet combined role, which could be really cool.
37:23>> Yeah.
37:23>> Um could we have Trey Tucker in like the 2024 Rashid Shaheed New Orleans role? Is that jarring to dream?
37:31>> Dude, it's it's so funny that you mentioned Shaheed because we did not talk about this beforehand, but Clint Kubiak was asked in a press conference
37:41uh this year if um Trey Tucker reminds him of any player that that he's had and any
37:49receiver and he basically said Rashid Shaheed. He he he he he doesn't like to bring up the name uh unless he's really pressed on it and
37:59they didn't follow up, but I uh everything that he said like matched up perfectly with like oh yeah, he thinks this is Rashid Shaheed basically and
38:07Trey Tucker is a name that they keep bringing up and often times it'll be unprompted. Uh Clint Kubiak was asked on
38:15March 31st, "What has been the biggest pleasant surprise?" Now, just very open-ended. Could be anybody, could be anything. And Kubs said one guy that
38:26sticks out is watching Trey Tucker play football. He's kind of everything that we're about with his play style and how good of a teammate he is. He's one of
38:34those guys like Max Crosby. There's already a culture of hardworking guys in our building and he's an example of one.
38:41And I I believe there was an actually another point this off season where like he groups in Trey Tucker with Max Crosby
38:49and Brock Bowers. So they they keep talking about Trey Tucker. I know Kay Adams asked general manager John Spanos like, "Hey, are you guys are you guys
38:58going to bring in any receivers because this receiver room looks a little thin?"
39:02And John Spanos is like, "We like our receiver room. We're we're big fans of Trey Tucker here." And we saw Trey
39:09Tucker be good. You know, just because we do this a lot of times where a guy's not a household name, he's not
39:16somebody that really hit our radar coming out of college, and then they'll have a good year in the NFL or they'll
39:23show something and then they'll be like, "Okay, well, maybe, but let's see him prove it again." And then they prove it
39:29again. And then we'll still be like, "Yeah, but like he's he's he's not a household name, he's not he's not he's
39:35not a big name." Well, I mean, sometimes these guys become big names and sometimes they're held back a little bit by
39:44by other regimes, by, you know, really terrible coaching staffs.
39:48But but we we we saw Trey Tucker be very good in the NFL. We saw him drop a 40-point fantasy game last year. This is
39:56a guy who does have this Rashid Shaheed downfield burner speed, but he's also really really good over the the intermediate part of the field where
40:06where he can make an explosive play happen there with with his yak. So I I think he's going to be very involved in this
40:14offense. I am absolutely taking him ahead of Jaylon Nailor and I've got I got a good deal of Trey Tucker this
40:21year.
40:22>> Yeah, he's I've been I've been really hitting that range. It's and sometimes when you end up like and if you draft a
40:28lot of best ball like we do, if you ever have the opportunity sort of double tap receivers, I've liked taking the Trey Tucker Jaylon Nailor combo.
40:37Denzel Boston really hard for me to pass up in that range, but what's interesting about Trey Tucker is the snap share. I
40:43think he was top five in wide receivers last year in terms of snaps. I remember you know, I podcasted with Scott Barrett
40:49weekly last year when we did school of Scott. When I was working at Fantasy Points and Scott would always sort of
40:55talk about the Trey Tucker to kind of make a little bit of joke out of it because his snap share was just
41:00otherworldly, but he had like a 95 plus percent snap share. So, we're looking at like Jaylon Nailor who was sort of a
41:06wide receiver three type in Minnesota that they have aspirations for. Jack Besh who was really quiet as a rookie.
41:15Um, those sort of guys taking a big step forward. I mean, I think Trey Tucker, he's going to be on the field in in
41:20pretty much every single play just like he was last year.
41:23>> Yeah, I'm absolutely and and he's a good player. So, obviously it's going to be Brock Bowers who's the focal point of
41:30the passing game, but I Trey Tucker is going to be a guy who's going to be very involved there.
41:36>> Let's talk about Jaxson Dart. You brought him up earlier.
41:39Um, this is an interesting player because he was so effective as a runner last year and it feels like a player that fantasy
41:48managers would be chasing a little bit more, but there's been a ton of apprehension with Dart where you've got the new offensive scheme element.
41:56There's people who don't want any part of like a Matt Nagy offense and then they worry a little bit about Jaxson Dart getting banged up, but I I
42:04keep gravitating towards the rushing production. 487 rushing yards, nine rushing touchdowns, a lot of analytical metrics he was up
42:13there for for for designed quarterback runs, for runs inside the 5-yard line.
42:19Like, Dart was really effective there.
42:22Then there's people that are very smart that have pointed out that Matt Nagy doesn't like to run his quarterbacks around the goal line. Do you buy into
42:28any of that stuff? And sort of what is the coach speak telling you?
42:31>> This is what This is probably the question that I've gotten the most this offseason from from people in the industry who have, you know, just like
42:38been in my DMs asking like, "Hey, is uh have the Giants said anything about Jackson Dart running?" Right? Because we did get that split last season. We saw,
42:48you know, how he can be a reckless runner sometimes. And um when Mike Kafka took over, they they kind of clamped
42:55down on that. But John Harbaugh did an interview on July 13th on the Dominique Foxworth Show. And he was asked about the importance of
43:03figuring out a way to make sure that Jackson Dart stays healthy and protects himself. Harbaugh said, "Definitely important. He's aware of it. You've got
43:10a fine line. I remember hearing the same thing about Lamar Jackson, especially after the first season, playing people saying that it's unsustainable the way
43:18he plays, that it's never going to last, that you have to protect him, and he can't run as much." And then you say
43:24something like that to Lamar, and he looks at you like he's got like you've got three heads. Like, "No, I'm going to
43:29play ball." And I just knew and I trusted that he was going to protect himself because he wants to be out there
43:34and he wants to play. It's not the type of sport where you can put yourself in bubble wrap. I do think play the game in
43:41a way that respects the fact that there are other guys out there that are capable of doing damage to you when you
43:46have the ball in your hands. That's especially important for the quarterback. And I trust that Jackson understands that. And then Harbaugh went
43:53on to talk about how Dart can live in a lot of different worlds football-wise.
43:57He can live in a power running game. We can run RPOs. We can run quarterback-driven runs with Dart. And a lot of the stuff that we did in
44:05Baltimore with Lamar as well. Jackson gives you a chance to live in all those different worlds. So, if he can do it,
44:12then we're going to do it, and that's what we plan on doing. And I would really expect nothing less from a John
44:20Harbaugh team. You know, we get these these reports about how his training camps and his practices are so rough.
44:27Like he's he he he's he's he's really pushing these guys to the limit, and that's what he's going to do with
44:34Jackson Dart.
44:36This is one of Jackson Dart's superpowers. It It might be his greatest strength is uh it is his legs and and
44:43running the ball. So, there's just no way that you can take that off the table, and it actually sounds like they're going to lean into it.
44:50>> Yeah, it's very interesting because I think a lot of the people, you know, again, some really bright people have said this, where they'll point to like
44:57the Matt Nagy, the usage for some of these quarterbacks, and sort of as a negative for Dart this year.
45:03Uh Matt Nagy's the OC, and and Harbaugh's the head coach. And at the end of the day, Greg Roman's in the
45:08building, too. So, it's like you've got all these voices and factors that from Baltimore, where it was so centric on having a running quarterback. Um and I
45:18think that's really it for for Dart. You know, 15 touchdown passes, only five interceptions, but it's the the rushing ability that makes him enticing at his
45:27ADP. And more and more people sort of beating him up and sort of elevating the quarterbacks that are going in his
45:33range. Um I'm open-minded to drafting him. I think in best ball, it's almost a no-brainer. You can build out a quarterback room with like Jackson Dart
45:40and like two other guys. In redraft, it also becomes interesting because you can take essentially you can be the last manager to take a quarterback in your
45:49draft and end up with like a Brock Purdy Jackson Dart type team or even cheaper, and you have potential for a really
45:57high-end rushing season. So, I'm interested in Dart. I think he's a cheap cheap way to find rushing production at the quarterback spot, and that's been
46:04sort of a cheat code for us for for many, many seasons. And also, you look at sort of the the the makeup of the
46:10team. Francis Mauigoa, they signed Ricard to play fullback. I mean, there's pieces there that could really support an effective running quarterback. And a
46:19healthy Skowronek doesn't hurt either.
46:20So, really fun one there. You've got two young tight ends to talk about here. Let's talk about Kylen Granson, a player that
46:28I haven't talked about um, on this show too often. Obviously, he was drafted very highly, um, and they have seemed to have high
46:36hopes for him in New York. Where are you at in your enthusiasm level for this year regarding Granson having a fantasy
46:43football type impact?
46:45>> Yeah, on draft night, general manager Darren Moji said that Kylen Granson was a player that we spent a lot of time on
46:51and valued as an offensive weapon. When he was there at 16th overall, it was really a no-brainer for us just to add
46:59another weapon to the offense. And Frank Reich has a great vision for the player and how we can use him in multiple ways
47:05and get in 12 personnel and do different things and just use him as another weapon and make it tough on the defense.
47:12And then in that same press conference, head coach Aaron Glenn said that with Kylen Granson, we're going to be able to
47:18dictate as far as the defense is concerned. Are you going to be in base?
47:21Are you going to be in nickel? There are so many positions that he can play for us that's going to make us be able to
47:27open up the offense. Frank Reich has a really, really good vision for this player. And then if you look at the the
47:34the telephone calls that they were making, and their celebration, dude, Frank Reich was over the moon about this pick. And he he had actually told Kylen
47:46Granson and his family that, like, we're going to take you at 16. Like, told him ahead of time that this was going to
47:52happen. This This is a guy who they truly, truly have a vision for. He's going very late in drafts in Best Ball.
47:58His His ADP is around like 160.
48:01And, you know, they're talking about this this 12 personnel that they want to run. Like, again, they have this vision for him. He's going to
48:08be very, very involved in the offense this year. They're talking about what an athletic freak he is. Like, they had their their their sights set on this
48:17guy. So, that's I I think it's a really good value where he's going right now.
48:22>> It's interesting. I mean, when you look at the Jets, we have I I I really like Breece Hall, especially structurally,
48:28and I know I'm not I'm not in like a majority there. There's some people sort of potentially fading the Jets offense,
48:34but third round Breece Hall sort of feels right to me.
48:37Uh there's Garrett Wilson enthusiasts as well, but if this offense does take a step forward, there's a chance that we see a secondary pass catcher at least
48:45have some viability. I think there's been a lot of people sort of in in the Best Ball streets with you gravitating
48:50towards Adeniji Mitchell, but Sedeeq just kind of chills there. And there's been um multiple rookie tight ends who have had impacts over the last couple
48:59years. Guys have been been streamlined and fast-tracked. It's a copycat league, and when they draft a guy like Sedeeq that highly, you know, it sounds like
49:09they have a major plan for him. I mean, you're very supportive with the the coach pick there, and he's falling into
49:13a range that's really easy. You could take him as like your your tight end two in a redraft format, and in Best Ball,
49:20like in a three tight end build, he's really enticing really fast. I mean, again, with with Kony Ealy Sedeeq, I mean, the further we get removed from
49:28the NFL Combine, it we have to remind people it's a tight end who runs the same 40-yard dash time as Jahmyr Gibbs.
49:34It's not rocket science. There's going to be NFL head coaches who want to get get the ball in that guy's hands. Um and
49:40when the people bring up sort of oh, these some of these uber athletic early round early first round tight ends have
49:47failed historically, that's not in 2026.
49:50We're 2024 and 2025. Uh there's been ex- and for that matter there's been a ton of rookie tight ends producing. It's a
49:57copycat league. So that's a really fun one. Last player to talk about you're the second guest who sort of talked about this player recently. I've had
50:05actually a number of smart people sort of bringing up Terrance Ferguson.
50:11Zane Denani joined me recently. That was a great podcast and he talked about Ferguson Ferguson's tight end 28 but he's got a lot of outs Greg to return
50:21some value.
50:22>> He does. We we got this interview from Sean McVay on February 2nd where he said I think Terrance Ferguson is a total stud. I think the
50:32future is incredibly bright. He's got the ability to play he's got the ability to basically play every skill position on our offense. That's every receiver
50:41spot. That's every tight end spot.
50:43That's a real credit to his overall maturity, his intelligence, his football instincts and makeup. I think he played with great toughness and I think the
50:50best is yet to come. He's got an incredibly high ceiling particularly as a receiver where he can be able to make
50:58plays short intermediate and down the field. He can win from different locations whether that's attached in the slot or out wide. I'm really really
51:07excited about him. Also said I'm I'm really excited about Colby Parkinson and Davis Allen continuing to take their next steps. Looking forward to seeing
51:14what Tyler Higbee wants to do. Then McVay said I think Terrance had a really good rookie season and I think the best
51:20is yet to come. He's everything and that much more than I hoped he would be and I had tremendously high hopes for him and
51:27I think that he's going to be a huge part of what we're going to do for years to come. Now McVay talking about the
51:33different positions that he can play and also saying how he can make plays short intermediate and down the field. Now we knew that
51:42coming out of college. Terrance Ferguson was known for his yac abilities. He he was um first among tight ends coming out
51:49of college that year with a average of nine yards after the catch, but we didn't really see that. We didn't see
51:56him used in that way last year for the Rams. We saw a very very high A dot. I believe north of 18 yards um per per
52:04target for him last year, but again, we we we talk about a similar thing with Basile Tuten where like they didn't know
52:14that this guy really had this one thing in his bag and then he proved it but and they didn't even tap into one of the
52:19other things that made this guy great uh coming out as a prospect. And that's kind of the same thing with with
52:25Terrance Ferguson. Like what if we continue to see uh a lot of these downfield shots, but we also see him implemented uh
52:35in in in in the intermediate part of the field. What What if we see them use him uh as as another YAC guy? And that's not
52:43even to We're like we're not even getting to contingent value of like if something happens to to to Puka who has
52:48like some off-field concerns and plays in a pretty reckless way. You know, like he's always putting his body on the line
52:56out there. Then Terrance Ferguson becomes more important. What if Davante Adams in his age 24 season drops off a little bit? Terrance Ferguson suddenly
53:03more important. Terrance Ferguson was also a really good inline blocker last year when they did use him as a Y tight
53:11end. He was one of their best run blockers. So in you look at this tight end room, there's a lot of tight ends there, but
53:19this this is the most unique weapon.
53:21This is the best weapon that they have there and it sounds like Sean McVay is has started to realize that. He He
53:27started realizing it last season and um he was talking about like, "Man, we had him on the practice squad and then I see
53:34him what he's doing in practice and I think to myself, how stupid am I for not having him active on game day?" And it
53:43was unfortunate on a lot of those deep shots that he saw from Matthew Stafford.
53:47I There were There were nine players on the Rams who saw at least 20 targets last year. Terrance Ferguson um had the lowest catchable target rate
53:56of those guys at 60% and you look at the cut up that Jacob Gibbs put out this great cut up on on Twitter of of
54:03Terrance Ferguson's targets last year.
54:04There were a lot of like really bad uh misses from from Stafford. It It It seemed like this was the only guy who
54:13was really overshooting uh in in 2025. So, you know, we we we get some better targets this year on that deep stuff and then we also get
54:23Terrance Ferguson used uh as as a YAC threat. Man, I I think he could have a really really big season this year.
54:31>> Yeah, and I'll I'll go back to a little uh coach speak after he was drafted where Sean McVay said, "He reminds me a
54:38lot of Chris Cooley. He's got got some similar body mannerisms to Travis Kelce.
54:43Chris Cooley's one of the first players I ever coached in this league. He's a great football player." Um and then he
54:48also talked about how when he evaluated Travis Kelce out of Cincinnati, Ferguson had a couple of like characteristics that he that he thought
54:56were similar. So, like McVay hyped him.
54:59This could be like a post-hype sleeper.
55:01And we saw just how good the 2025 draft class was at the tight end position last year. Ferguson sort of joining the fold
55:09a year later would make sense. Like, you know, we could talk about this being a historically good class. Ferguson was a
55:15second-round pick last year, went ahead of guys like Harold Landry Jr. So, really an interesting one. And again, tight end 28. And And we drafted him
55:24together when I was on your show, too, Greg. So, Terrance Ferguson could make us some a million dollars over on DraftKings.
55:29>> He can make us three million dollars over on DraftKings.
55:32>> Yeah.
55:32>> Yeah, well, I was, you know, >> go for third?
55:34>> Yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah, let's go for first. That's absolutely right.
55:37>> and a half each.
55:38Yeah, we that's that's what I meant. And we will probably, you know, we're good guys. We'll give a little bit to charity
55:43and we're also going to throw an awesome party to celebrate. So, you know, won't be quite a million five each after we're
55:47done with those two things, but it'll be a lot of fun. Let everybody know once again what you got going on, where they
55:52can see your shows and all that.
55:53>> Yes, @coachspeakindex, coachspeak the coachspeakindex on on YouTube. Just search that, you'll find me. And and the biggest thing is the
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