0:06live drafting a $350 entry FFPC big gorilla contest going for a million bucks. Theo Griminger, lead fantasy analyst right here at Rotoire, joined
0:15shortly by Jacob Gibbs of CBS. Jacob's going to join the stream in a minute, but the draft just started, so we're
0:21going to get started. Bjan Robinson goes off the board at the 101. Usually he's been going 102, but Jamir Gibbs, uh,
0:28still holding out a little bit. I believe that's Tommy Ley in the one hole. I could be wrong on that one. Uh,
0:34former overall champ over at NFC. I think that's him in in this 350 streets.
0:39Not sure. That a lot of people change their names this time of year. Uh we're picking out of the 12 spot today, which
0:46is a really fun spot to pick at because it gives us options where we could get access to some very strong running backs
0:54as well as some wide receivers. And then you always have the temptation of tight end in FFPC. If you want to compete
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1:22free ones you're going to get from us at Rotoire. Jonathan Taylor goes at the 105, Jamar Chase at the three, Pukanakua
1:29at the four. So Aman Ross St. Brown, Jackson Smith and Jigba, and Christian McAffrey all go behind Jonathan Taylor in this one. We are waiting for Jacob
1:38Gibbs. He'll join us shortly. But we've got the 12th overall pick here. I I have the queue completely loaded. There's a
1:45bunch of really really strong options here that we can go with here at the 12 spot.
1:51We see JSN go off the board at six.
1:54Probably going to see Aman Ross St.
1:56Brown. There he goes right at seven. So like clockwork. And then we'll see Brock Bowers go off the board very shortly.
2:02Again, 1.5 point tight end premium format here at FFPC. James Cook goes at the eight spot and then Bowers goes at nine.
2:24And right like clockwork, we've got Jacob Gibbs for our pick. So Jacob, we lose out on James Cook. He goes at the
2:31eight. Brock Bowers, the dream of Bowers falling to us at the the one two turn.
2:36It was never going to happen. He goes at nine. I've loaded up the queue. We'll talk about it when we're OTC. Christian
2:43McCaffrey calls all the way to 10 in this one. We're seeing some one-off drafts where he falls, but Okay, so Justin Jefferson goes off the board.
2:50Jacob, talk us through the process. We have two picks here at 12. So, we could go running back, running back, we go
2:57wide receiver, running back, and I know you're not on Trey McBride this year, so he's not not even in consideration.
3:03>> I'm intrigued by the idea of running back, running back. If you had two in mind that you had here, I would hear you
3:08out. Um, who I've been thinking was Amarian Hampton and CD Lamb. I really like pairing those two together. You have the stability with Lamb. And I do
3:14think there's upside and then there's massive upside with Hampton who's a bit of more of an unknown. But if you want
3:19to go two running backs, I'm curious who they would be.
3:21>> Well, I'm in on Omar and Hampton. He was second in the queue here for me.
3:26>> Genty still on the board.
3:27>> Genty still on the board. So, I think we could go The one thing I'll point out is let's lock in Hampton and then give
3:32ourselves another 60 seconds to talk about it. Yeah.
3:35>> Um, and I'll I'll run this down. Um, if we go Genty here, we're going to get access to a number of the wide receivers
3:42that I know you like at the 34 turn.
3:44Let's lock in Hampton.
3:46>> Yep.
3:47>> CD Lamb's really interesting when you get him in the second round, though. So, >> Lamb in the second round. It just sort
3:52of your comfort level of maybe starting out with a a hero RB approach as opposed to walking out of the end of round four.
4:00Cuz the one problem with the five six turn is a lot of those fun running back targets of ours will be gone by then. So
4:08like a lot of the Scataboo tier even Bashel Tutin they're starting to go before that 512. So my structural lean would be going Ashton Genty here.
4:17>> Me too.
4:18>> Okay. So let's go Genty and we'll lock it in. So we're going with >> Yeah. It's the It's the You're trying to
4:22win a million bucks here. Jacob, how are you going to spend your 500K? [laughter] >> I think this is a uh I have got no idea.
4:29I've never thought about even having that much money. I think this is a unique start, too, because I think often people are faced with the decision
4:36between Hampton or Gent, you know what I mean? People are like kind of choosing one of those two, falling into those
4:42camps. Um, I really like pairing them together here. I I've got Scott Barrett coming on the box score soon and I know
4:49he's very low on Lamb. Um, I think he had him as like his 19th overall player or something like that. Um, and I know a
4:56lot of people are kind of falling into that camp and I really want to hear more of that from them because I I've ended
5:03up with a lot of land this year. Um, so I really like structurally starting with these two and then also just from a game
5:09theory perspective like pairing them together if both of these guys hit Hampton and Genty. Um, I think we've got a massive amount of upside here and
5:17there are a lot of late round or middle to late round receivers that we really like too. Wow. Achabuka here. Yeah, I
5:23mean we we knew he probably was never making it back to us, but I would I would have loved to to see it.
5:28>> Yeah, we're seeing it Ibuka in in NFC, which is uh non-tightend premium. He's been living in the second round. We're
5:34starting to see it in NFPC. And the big gorilla contest, this is paying out a million dollars to first. You get paid
5:40out obviously very well if you're in in the top 10. You're also uh trying to win money for the regular season. It's a
5:47great contest for sure. Um I'm going to be drafting a couple of these right here on the stream. This is Jacob Gibbs'
5:52first FFPC draft. One of the sharpest guys out there. So, welcome to the FFPC streets, Jacob. Uh, really, really fun drafting with you today. We see Kenneth
6:00Walker go with to the JSN team. That's a dangerous build, I think, with JSN, Kenneth Walker. You see, uh, one team in
6:07the seven hole go wide receiver, wide receiver. Almond Ross St. Brown and CD Lamb. That's a potential ton of firepower there. So, different way
6:14different ways to build out. We'll see Coloulston Lovelin go here in the next few picks. What what was your what's like the the highest you would take
6:21Loveland? I know you don't play a whole lot of tight end premium, but he's sort of been going from the midse and then
6:27never seems to fall past the 301 uh recently. Jacob, where are you comfortable taking him in that range in this format?
6:33>> Yeah, I think about here is right for me. I'm extremely high on on Loveland.
6:38Um just had a really interesting conversation with Ryan Heath about his article, The Anatomy of a League Winner, and he's just like so hardressed to ever
6:45go with a tight end in this range. I'm really curious how that might change in this format. Um, but especially the ADP
6:52that you sent me that we're looking at here on FPC where potentially you can get some of these Sam Laora Harold
6:57Fannon Jr. um Tucker Craft type names at the round five six turn or whatever. Um I think I would I would probably be more
7:06inclined to go running back receiver early on. Try to hit on some league winners here if you can get those tight
7:10ends a little bit later.
7:12>> Now shout out to uh Nikki Banks and a number of people in the in the chat right now. uh very very active chat.
7:17We'll get to some of Shout out to Kyle's money. Um one comment that we've gotten and we're going to have to deal with
7:23this one.
7:24>> Um I had I rose him up big time >> in my in my rankings and I'm I think I might still be a little too low. The
7:31injury optimism is there with Malik Neighbors. Obviously a lot can change in camp, but what's sort of your comfort level here with uh Malik Neighbors? I I
7:42know that it's a player that we've sort of had to play catch-up on because we didn't necessarily anticipate even the possibility of a week one appearance for
7:49him, but elite talent, but a little bit of risk. Where are you at on this one?
7:54>> Yeah, I currently have neighbors behind Ibuka [snorts] and behind Z Flowers, who you know I'm enamored with, and just the
8:01head of Dvont Smith and Chris Ave and Jaylen Wadd, Lad Mani, Luther Burden.
8:06So, that's a group of five receivers that I really really like, but I do think that there's some risk built in
8:12with each of them. Um, whether I mean, we seem to have forgotten it with a, but like there's the health risk with him.
8:19Um, there's a chance that things look a little bit different. He doesn't run quite as hot with touchdowns. Devonte Smith, I'm a little bit nervous about
8:25the offense there. We think it'll be a lot better, but um, if the offensive line isn't great, if Jaylen Herz is a
8:31little bit uncomfortable, we'll do more of the under center stuff. um if we have the the time we need to get those timing
8:36based routes down to Smith. That scares me a little bit. A lot of speculative upside there with Manki and Burden and
8:42all these guys. W is one that you and I both feel really great about. So that's kind of where I'm putting Neighbors
8:46right now. But honestly, he could push so much higher than that, right? Like would it be any surprise at all if at
8:51the end of the year if he's healthy, they've got a really soft schedule at the end of the year. Neighbors could be
8:55like the wide receiver one in fantasy, man. At the like the last like eight weeks of the season, that wouldn't shock
9:00me at all. during that time if he leads a position in scoring. There goes Lovelin at 3-1. Um, so that's I I'm
9:06having a hard time with it. I don't know exactly where to to push him. If we get him here at the 34 turn, I think that
9:12feels like a great spot for him.
9:14>> Yeah, I agreed. Um, it's interesting when when we talk about So Neighbors went off the board here at the at the
9:20210. So Neighbors No Neighbors off the board. We're not going to have any any uh possibility of access to him. And
9:27>> London.
9:28>> Yeah, ahead ahead of London. London's been falling a little bit here. I think people are getting a little bit scared
9:33of uh potentially Cooper Rush seeing some time at quarterback for Atlanta this year with uh you know the the potential injuries to the to Tua and as
9:42well as Michael Penn. I I thought that that Cody Carpenter and Alex Dunlap had a really good take on this where Cooper
9:48Rush like hyperargeted CD Lamb in his starts a few years ago when Dak was out and he actually doesn't mind it for
9:54Drake London. I think London could start to be a real value for drafters as he falls. The one hole is Tommy Ley. So
10:01Tommy, I see him in New York when I draft NFC. He took down the Silver Bullet and the NFC, I believe it was the
10:09Classic that year. He had two overall winners the same year in NFC. Won a ton of money that year. So, you never know
10:15who you're going to bump up against in these drafts, but a big time overall winner in this draft with us. Uh see
10:21Kairen Williams go off the board at the start of round three here. We're going to see Jeremiah Love. We're going to see
10:26Bree Hall in this round. We're probably looking at breaking ties to wide receiver. One other player that could be in consideration here. Your thoughts on
10:36Tyler Warren? Uh he's been going higher and higher, but in in the 1.5 premium uh PPR scoring for FFPC, a lot of teams I
10:45feel like when they don't feel like there's an edge when they're picking, they just take Tyler Warren in this range. like Lovelin goes and then maybe
10:52five six picks later you see Warren. Uh your open mind to Tyler Warren if he's OTC here if we're OTC and he's available
10:59to us.
11:02Jacob you're muted.
11:05That's how I would view it too. I think the way you phrase it is perfect where it's like an open-mindedness. If you
11:09don't love what's on the board there, if you don't feel like you have an edge with any of your picks and it's like ah
11:14I kind of view a lot of these guys similarly. I think Warren is really interesting in this format where the Colts could find themselves potentially
11:21playing from behind a lot like um Jared Sm's fantasy environment score we looked at Vegas expectations has them protracted to play in a lot of shootouts
11:29and I think they might be trailing in a lot of those games and you might see a ton of receptions for Warren. So in this
11:34format specifically I think it could be really boosted. I'm shock Pickkins is still on the board right now.
11:38>> Yeah, there's a chance there's a non-zero chance he falls to us. I Pickins is weird. I don't know why people are starting to let him fall a
11:45little bit, but uh we have I've loaded the queue. I don't know if you have that open, uh Jacob RQ on your
11:53>> I'll get that. Yeah.
11:54>> Yeah. So, I'm not sure also if you're in our I know Tommy's in our draft, but Tommy's in the other end of the board.
11:59So, uh Tommy Tommy commented, but if you're in our draft, let us know.
12:03>> Cool.
12:05>> Okay. So, Pickkins goes >> Yeah. So, the other oneoff position player at the 401
12:15that's interesting is Josh Allen, even though he's the QB1.
12:20Okay. And we see Josh Allen go, so we don't have to make that decision. Maybe we'll talk about how you're treating
12:25Josh Allen when we get when we get past our picks.
12:29Okay. So, I have in our queue Tyler Warren, who I think structurally is great here. Uh it it opens us up to some
12:37wide receivers at the 56 turn without having to you know I know you like some of the tight ends there at 56, but Tyler
12:43Warren I think is doesn't it also doesn't prevent us from taking one tight end at the 56 turn because we can flex
12:49one of these guys with a 1.5 premium.
12:52401 is starting to be really good price on Warren. I've got Garrett Wilson. I've got Jaylen Wadd. I've got T. Higgins. Uh
12:58I could throw Lad Macy's name into the mix here as well. little less enamored with him than some. Uh Luther Burden,
13:06this would be very early for him. I would say if you're good with it, locking down a Tyler Warren here at this
13:14range is I think it's going to be it's going to be plus in terms of like the ADP value you're getting.
13:19>> I think Jaylen Wadd is the pick here for sure.
13:21>> So, let's take let's take Wadd. Let's take Wadd.
13:24>> Okay. So, now I'm down with Waddle. I we'll talk about Jacob's takes on Waddle. If you listen to our show the
13:29other day, he broke it down, but we'll break down the sort of the bullcase on Waddle. We get a wide receiver. We have
13:34two running backs. Uh Wilson's really interesting to me. T. Higgins, obviously a spike guy. Um Lad Macy, I I get the
13:42allure of him. I probably wouldn't want to stand for him. And then Warren for me, I just think he could end up being
13:49the highest targeted colt. I think he's got very high pass catching numbers ability. Um he's he's just going to be a
13:56PPR cheat code I think this year and with the 1.5 premium he could put up some really big weeks.
14:02>> Yeah. So personally I would take T.
14:04Higgins here or Lad Mani. Um but I like where you're at with Warren. I I think there's a lot of tight ends to like and
14:10I always get Josh Downs. We don't know how it's going to go and I don't have very much Warren so I'm totally fine
14:14locking him in here.
14:15>> Let's take Warren on the ADP value. So our start through and that's that's a great great thing about splitting teams
14:21with people where >> you know you talk about it. I mean I get it T. Higgins we could have even taken
14:26T. Higgins over Jaylen Wadd. It's weird to take a wide receiver two over uh wide receiver one but T. Higgins is a special
14:34kind of wide receiver 2. It also potentially opens us up to some Joe Burrow correlation later on. But I think this was the right move structurally to
14:42go with Warren. Um, Warren, Warren is just just super super interesting to me.
14:48I know there's some people pushing back, but again, 1.5 point tight end premium.
14:52I think Warren's really appealing. Talk about uh Josh Allen, how you're handling him. He's sort of in a league of his own
14:58where I don't want to take him in this range. If he fell to like the fifth round, I think it would be a whole
15:04another conversation. And I think in some one-off situations, we could see that. But there's like a massive gap between quarterback one and quarterback
15:12two. But Josh Allen, very interesting >> for sure. Yeah, I think Josh Allen might just light fantasy on fire this year.
15:19Absolutely. Um Dan and I on Beyond the Box already said an episode where we drafted like we just pick one after the
15:25other who we think is most likely to finish as QB1 overall. We just excluded Allen from the conversation just cuz it's like a foregone conclusion. I feel
15:32really really good about everything that I'm hearing out of Buffalo. DJ Moore feels like he might be a really good pairing with him where he now has him
15:39and Khalil Shakira is two guys you can work really well with in the improv game. Um Don Hane seems to be in a good
15:45place with his health as well. So I think it's there's a chance that this is like the best version we've seen of the
15:50Bills offense since like that the prime Stefon Diggs era here. Um and then Allen is obviously at the peak of his powers
15:56too. just continues to be so good with the way he's able to mitigate pressure um and keep drives going and then is a
16:02is a threat to score um 25 PBR points per game any any season and just completely change fantasy. So I think
16:10he's valid if you could get him like where I I wouldn't really like him the three four turn kind of like you were
16:15saying if you could get him more in round four or five I like that and that does happen sometimes where pe drafters
16:20are just like all playing the waiting game at quarterback. Um, occasionally I would be okay with taking him, but really I I I might be just getting too
16:29Ryan Heath pilled, man. Um, the research shows that like your your biggest wins from these early rounds by far come at
16:37running back and receiver.
16:38>> Yeah, >> that's I mean that's even looking at the MVP Lamar seasons where you were able to get him in round four. That's looking at
16:44the Travis Kelce seasons where you're able to get him a little bit later sometimes or last year's McBride season where you're able to get him a little
16:50bit later than you probably should have.
16:52even those seasons haven't been quite as big of wins in terms of the percentage of ESPN teams that made playoffs that
16:58had those players on their teams compared to the biggest, you know, round one through four wins at running back and receiver. So, I just want to swing
17:06on those types of players like at Jaylen Wadd who I really think could be if healthy and everything comes together a
17:14complete game changer for fantasy.
17:16>> Team five with a really really good looking hero RB start if Jonathan Taylor hits like he did last year. AJ Brown,
17:22Nico Collins, T. Higgins essentially gets three guys that can put up massive weeks in combination with Jonathan Taylor. Waddle you're huge on. Um George
17:30Pickkins would have been fantastic there at the 312, but like Wadd versus like Wilson, Manki, T. Higgins. It's a difficult decision to make, but I think
17:40Wadd's really priming to be the the offensive focal point in Denver. It was a team that passed at a very high rate
17:46last year. Make sure you go check out the show that Jacob and I did a couple days ago, maybe last week, Jacob. We we
17:52did one like very recently right here on this channel. The days are starting to blend together when you record every single day like I do and I know you're
17:59pretty close to it. Um over at Beyond the Box score. Yeah, I would say team five best start through four rounds, but
18:05we have a two bullets in our chamber at the 56 turn. I like drafting out of the 12 spot this year in FFPC.
18:13You're able to sort of uh dictate how the next few picks are able to go.
18:17sometimes and you're able to double tap certain positions. Like I think you can double tap running back at the one-two turn. You can double tap wide receiver
18:24at the 34 turn, the 56 turn. Um sometimes a running back can fall to you at the 512. I'm open-minded to the 12
18:30spot being a really really good spot there. Wilson over Warren. I I tweeted out uh a really positive thing about about Wilson there the other day where I
18:41don't know, Wilson just seems like he's falling in a nice range. He was scoring at a wide receiver one level when he
18:47went down with injury. Uh has always been a high target share guy. Jets offense is not good, but it's not going
18:55to be putrid. I think Gino is a stabilizing force there. Your thoughts and open mindness to Garrett Wilson, especially in round four. I think
19:03Garrett Wilson is like maybe one of the most interesting and important players to think about given like what happened last year and what might happen this
19:11year and what we' also seen before 2025.
19:14So I think of Drake London when I'm thinking about this and then also I think it's really relevant to what we
19:19might see from Wilson this year. Last year the um was it Tanner Ingstrand? Is that the name of the guy that was there?
19:26I there's so many coordinators that go in and out of my brain. um was actually moving Wilson around a lot and getting
19:32him different ways to attack defenses and make it a little bit more unpredictable in terms of where he's going to be before or at the snap of the
19:40football with motion with condensed formations and different ways to um get him where it's not just out isolated.
19:47He's clearly, you know, the exceiver out there working on the outside. And it's not so much that he needs that he's able
19:54to beat press coverage, but it's that this allows defenses to not be so focused on him and dedicate so much attention to him with the extra cloud
20:04safety coverage and everything. And all of a sudden, we see Wilson pushing his target sharers into just absolutely ridiculous levels. And I think that
20:13that's really important. And it's something I'm thinking about with London too because he's had a similar type of phenomenon where Zack Robinson has done
20:19such a good job and he's been able to have this consistently like 28 29% target share number and I'm not so sure
20:25if that's going to be the case if it's more of a traditional offense this year for London and especially with Wilson.
20:31I'm worried about that with Frank Wright coaching. So, he's not somebody that I've taken much. And really, I just think that's a larger discussion to have
20:39about him and motion and everything and the way that that unlocks this additional target share um upside where you can get really pushing up into that
20:46elite range and there might be a cap on that because we've seen plenty of really good receivers in really bad offenses
20:53where it's clear that that's the only guy. Why don't they just get a 50% target share? You know, because you can't you can't facilitate a functional
21:00offense that way. defenses know if it's going to that player over and over and over that they just have to stop that,
21:06you know. But if you're able to move them around and do a lot of things to make the ball where it can get to them
21:12quickly before the defense knows where they're going to go, what the route concept might look like, then I think you can get an extra 5 to 10 percentage
21:18points on that target share. That's a massive amount to add. Um, so that doesn't really answer your question about Wilson. I'm kind of just not sure
21:24what to do with him, not landing him much, just kind of avoiding the Jets.
21:28But I do think it's really interesting in general and now we need to make a decision. Terry McLaren is what I was
21:32hoping for. Dang it.
21:32>> Yeah, I had I had McLaren in our >> I love the tight end here though, man.
21:35Is it crazy to go more tight ends here?
21:37>> No, I don't think it's crazy to go tight end. I think it's a fun tight end range here. And again,
21:41>> Watson here.
21:42>> Watson would Watson would be >> there's some good options here.
21:45>> Yeah, Watson would be a no-brainer if we get him. But I think Team 11's going to take him because he's got three running
21:49backs. He's got one he's got one wide receiver.
21:52>> Team 11 probably goes wide receiver tight end or wide receiver wide receiver with their two picks. We're open-minded here with a with uh what we can do. We
22:03saw a running back run in round five. So Trayvon Henderson, Jarian Price, Bucky Irving, Bachel Tutin, DeAndre Swift, and David Montgomery all go in round five.
22:12We're one pick away.
22:15It's And then team one has a pure uh Chicago Bears stack running. Lovelin, Verden, and Roma Dun.
22:23>> Can you make trades?
22:25>> No, this is no trades. Absolutely no trades. Yeah, no trades. It's a wild way to approach this draft. Three Bears
22:32J. Yes.
22:33>> Okay, so J Mo goes, okay, I think this is Christian Watson is the clear wide receiver for me here.
22:40>> Okay, so let's lock in Watson. Let's talk about what our next pick will be.
22:43So we have a plenty of time to do this.
22:45Um >> it's pretty clearly Sam Leaporta for me.
22:48>> Okay, so that's fine. I we'll just say exp like explain the Leaporta versus Craft versus Fannon. Um, is it a bet on
22:56just Detroit's offense being one that you trust and Leaporta being the run out here? Like I'm open-minded. I have I like the idea of Fannon. Um, and you're
23:05also ruling Kyle Pitts out here.
23:07>> Yeah, I think that Leapora was one of the players we talked about on the league winner show that you and I did,
23:12wide receivers and tight end league winners on Rotoire. Um, I really love the setup here. I think Detroit's defense could be kind of sneaky, leaky,
23:19where they're giving up a lot of points on the back end and then we're getting into these shootouts. I like their
23:22schedule. lots of dome games and I think Leaport is just way better than people realize. He averaged a career-high yard per run rate last year. Like he's
23:30continued to be a really important part of that offense. Um I love Craft, but we already have Watson.
23:36>> You can't you don't want to double tap the Packers. I think that's that's a tough tough one to take.
23:40>> I I'll just throw out to you because we're running out of time. We're I'm okay doing Leaporta. The one the two
23:45players I'll just throw into consideration Parker Washington BTJ. If you want to go one more wide receiver, we do have tight end fire.
23:51>> Two, right?
23:53>> You can start three tight ends if you want in this format.
23:56>> So, Leaport is fine.
23:57>> Start two receivers, right?
23:59>> Two receivers. We have two receivers.
24:00There'll be some more receivers. I think you're going to like the receivers. You know, I'm not going to love the receivers at the next turn, but there's
24:06going to be some viable ones. Um, if you want to want to flag plant Leaporta here, let's do it. Um, and I think I'm
24:12fine with if you want to go Parker Washington, we could do that.
24:15I would pick Leaporta, but I'm I'm totally fine with Parker watch. Let's take your guy. I will be I will be
24:21drafting plenty of these. So, I want to I want to have a shared a shared team here. So, through six rounds, we have
24:28Omar and Hampton, Ashton Genty. Uh we went running back, running back. Then at the 34 turn, we went Jaylen Wadd, Tyler
24:36Warren, and then at the 56 turn, we go Christian Watson, Sam Laaporta. We go wide receiver, tight end, wide receiver, tight end at both at both turns. And
24:45Jacob, I think that's what's interesting here is some people will look at this and say it's like kind of an unnecessary
24:49pick. But other people will say, you know, the value of the 1.5 point tight end premium. You have two guys that are
24:55that are outside shots at being maybe the tight end two overall, the tight end three overall, if not better. Um, everybody's very locked in on the top
25:04three tight ends. But I look at Leaporta who had a tight end one overall season under his belt. The potential that the
25:10Lions are a shootout team. They have uh problems in the secondary right now in Detroit. They play all these games indoors. Jir Gibbs being there without
25:20like the backup running back David Montgomery. I feel like it's going to be a lot more fast-paced. Uh more potential for pass attempts. And I think Goff
25:27could just run pure this year. There's a chance Jared Goff could be, and people don't like this take, but I'm throwing
25:32this out there. I'm workshopping it.
25:34workshopping it with our live audience here and with the the brilliant mind of Jacob Gibbs. Jared Goff being the 2026 version of 2025 Matthew Stafford and he
25:43has a careerhigh in touchdown pass. He has like 42 touchdown passes this year instead of his usual like 35 and we all
25:49go nuts. And Goff who's drafted as like the quarterback 16, quarterback 15, finishes as like the quarterback six despite uh not being mobile or cool or
25:57young just passes for a bunch of touchdowns.
26:00>> Yeah, for sure. No, I think you're right on. I also think us doing that is is it puts pressure on the rest of the draft
26:05room, right? And so you immediately see Craft and Pitts go next >> and you'll see and you see Fannon go.
26:10>> There's >> and then you'll see KD and Isaiah likely within the next 12 picks, >> I think. So yeah. Um I think it was a
26:17really good move. I think you know Rich Reebar pointed out that the the Titan won in fantasy each of the past five
26:22seasons simply led the position in routes run.
26:26>> That's again like you you look at this Lions team, >> I think there could be a lot of passing.
26:30I could be wrong, but I think that we could see a shift um now that they don't have David Montgomery. Um and I I I
26:37obviously Jir Gibbs is awesome, but do you really want to load up Jir Gibbs with 20 rushes per game? Um I think
26:43maybe the the best way to do it is like 14, 15, 16 rushes per game for him, five for PCO, get Gibbs involved in the pass
26:50game a lot, and just drop back a lot.
26:52You're playing all these dome games. The strength of your your team, I mean, is Gibbs as a pass catcher, Gibbs in space,
26:58and then a Monora St. Brown and Jameson Williams and Sam Laaporta, you know, they've got even Isaac Tesla, like they've got really awesome passing game
27:05pieces and then especially if the defense contributes to it by giving up points, then you could get in a lot of
27:11shootouts. And if you look at the tight ends that get drafted early, a lot of these teams, the Raiders, Clint Kubak,
27:17the new regime there in Arizona wants to play slow, Ben Johnson with Loveland, um Jonathan Taylor Colts, like a lot of
27:24those teams want to play really run first. To me, if you look at these guys at the top, Leaporta is one of the most
27:29likely names to actually lead the position in routes run. And we saw last year when he was healthy, he had like a
27:3590% route rate in some games. That was the highest it's ever been. So, I feel I feel really good about that pick. And
27:40there's touchdown upside, too. It could be one of the best offenses for passing production.
27:44>> I want to go back to a dynasty question.
27:46I know this is a a reddraft draft and uh not the best time for it, but I thought it was a really interesting way to sort
27:52of leverage multiple situations. I'll just ask it because I don't see I'm trying to find the question in the chat, but whatever. It was Lad Makanki for
28:01Parker Washington and a 2027 first all day long. All day long, I'm taking the Parker Washington and a 2027 first for
28:08Lad Mani side there. Where are you at on that one, Jacob?
28:12>> Lad Manki and you you're trading him away for Parker Washington in a 27 first.
28:17>> Yes.
28:21I I think I'm fine with that. I think I I'm fine with getting the first and and Parker, is that what you said? Sorry, I
28:28was >> Yeah, I'm I'm taking the I'm taking the package and I'm doing an updated Dynasty rankings. Uh you can get those over at
28:34Rotoire. Use the code Theo20 and get 20% off of any Roto Wire subscription. We're doing a bunch of cool stuff over there.
28:42But I just think it's like the the ability to get access to a 2027 first and Parker Washington like we're projecting Lad Maki to finish well like
28:50ahead of him. But I think there's a chance that it's closer than than ADP suggests with Parker Washington if the runout is similar to what we saw at the
28:58end of last season and I get that 2027 first. I think it's a great a great uh run out here. Now we see team nine CRB
29:05Aussie is in the chat right now. Team 9, I really love the Brock Bowers uh George Pickkins values you got there. We love
29:12your Terry McLaren pick. If that Mandre pick uh works out for you, that could be a really really dangerous build. So
29:19yeah, let us know if you're in the chat.
29:21And I'm going to be in Vegas drafting FFPC. One year I'm going to drag Jacob out there. Um, and uh, come up and say
29:27what's up. I'm going to be drafting all day long. Dan Williamson and I are splitting a couple of of uh, of teams. I
29:32also have a team that I split with Dan Williamson and Andrew Shelonburg. So look forward to seeing I always look forward to seeing everybody at the FFPC
29:38drafts and NFC drafts as well in New York and Vegas. Um, Jacob, what do you have going on over at Beyond the Box
29:45score right now? You're crushing it, >> dude. Yeah, I'm just looking at this team name now here. Pickings, Makoni, McLuren is such a nice run.
29:51>> That's a It's a Gibbs. It's a Gibbs like roster right there.
29:54>> I love that. Yeah. Oh, Jonathan Brooks.
29:57Yeah, Jonathan Brooks. I knew with our draft range, we probably weren't going to get him, but it would have been so
30:01nice for our brand if you and I could get Brooks on.
30:03>> I mean, we we have friends recommending Jonathan Brooks that you take him in the 10th to 11th round of your draft. I we
30:08have friends that none that will not be named mentioning that a lot. Guys, I if if Jonathan Brooks is a 10th 11th
30:14rounder in your draft, might be time to level up the level of competition in your fantasy league because I think Brooks is going to be living in round
30:21six by the time we get to uh the end of August. And and I think there's also a a small chance you're going to start
30:27seeing some fifth round like five, six turn Brooks picks cuz they're sitting him out the first preseason game which usually when you hear the word Jonathan
30:34Brooks sitting out you're like, "Oh no, he's injured again." No, it's like we're going to keep him keep him under wraps
30:39because it's going to happen this year.
30:40here. I think the enthusiasm is there in Carolina. I started to load the queue up, Jacob. We'll keep an eye on that as
30:46these picks are going. Just to for the podcast audience, in round six, we see six tight ends go off the board. Travis
30:54Kelce and Isaiah Likely join Harold Fannon Jr., Kyle Pittz, Tucker Craft, and our pick of Sam Laaporta. We see four wide receivers in Parker
31:02Washington, Carnell Tate, BTJ, and Marvin Harrison Jr. Michael Pitman goes at the 702 right behind those guys. And we see our quarterback two go off the
31:12board, Lamar Jackson, who goes so much further, so much further, like three rounds behind Josh Allen. Uh this year, it's a wild gap between QB1 and QB2.
31:23That's a whole conversation to be had.
31:25The just how to handle the QB position this year. We are going to be it's going to be like uh the the Matt Damon Odyssey
31:32meme of like the the the guy like tormented like crying like tied to the mast of a ship. when we get to the 78
31:38turn, Jacob, I'm gonna say there's going to be quarterbacks who are going to be like, "Oh my gosh, I want to draft this
31:42quarterback. We'll also have good quarterbacks at the nine10 turn." So, it's like the the siren call of quarterback starts about now. You see
31:49Joe Burrow go off the board to team three who had Jamar Chase at the at the 103. Now, they have that uh that
31:56correlation. And I'll say that's a that's a little less common this year than the T. Higgins, Joe Burrow uh stack. We see uh Fantasy Mojo Darren
32:05Armani who runs Fantasy Mojo, he had a post on X talking about the most common uh the most common correlation in this
32:12tournament. One of the most common stacks right now, AJ Brown and Drake May. That's super common. And then Joe Burrow T. Higgins is super super common.
32:22So, you know, you're not if you if you have a Drake May, AJ Brown team, then you better get a little bit different
32:28with your build um because it's not giving you a massive edge in the overall field. still can help you get to the
32:33promised land if those guys are great.
32:35Jaylen Warren I had in the queue. He's off the board here. Uh not really pressed at at running back, but there
32:40are some running back options here. Wide receivers, some good ones. Um there's a chance to build a little bit of correlation too in a in a different way.
32:50I'm just going to throw two guys in in in this option, but I think we're I think we're in the right the right
32:57mindset. Uh, we have six guys in in the queue and we are six picks away. So, we'll we'll see how this goes. I would
33:06really like one of these players, but I think the way the where your mind's at is is good on the other ones. I also
33:12have the ADP open so we can sort of cross-check that.
33:17I'll throw one name in there just for a potential correlation play and I'll put him right next to the guy in the queue.
33:24Jacob, I don't know. I'm like frozen on this one.
33:28Okay. So, three and four in our queue would be an interesting way to correlate.
33:33>> Yeah, >> we don't have to though.
33:36>> Yeah. Uh we'll see as we get there. If I mean, if if some of the top players are still there, then I think it's pretty
33:41easy for me there.
33:42>> That's fine. That's fine.
33:44>> Um so, again, we are a few picks away here. If you want to compete against Jacob and I in the FFPC streets and
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34:13>> Hell yeah. I'm just >> Dallas Scott goes off the board here. I was going to say I'm just happy to see
34:17so much purple here after we we went Warren and Leaporta in rounds 46.
34:23>> Yeah, I mean Goddard makes sense here.
34:25Um structurally that team needed their first tight end. I don't think it's an edge pick, but structure-wise it makes a lot of sense. Jordan Tyson was like a
34:32punch a punch in the face. Team is living very clean. Yeah, >> you knew it. team team nine team nine and we didn't even say the name but
34:40Jordan Tyson I uh did a Reddit AMA yesterday and I thought Jordan Tyson was priced priced the best of all the
34:47rookies to return an an incredible amount of value. Jordan Mason goes here uh people trying to catch up at running back there the the CMC drafter was a
34:55hero. Okay, so QJ goes. Okay, so we're OTC here. I I think we're looking at we're looking at a wide receiver and I
35:05think it's a little bit early in terms of ADP, but I think this is where this player is headed. I think it's Josh DS
35:12and leaning into it because it's very early, but he wouldn't come back to us.
35:18Um, the only problem is I I guess you have the Josh DS with Tyler Warren combination, which is kind of a tough
35:25run out, but >> I do like DS and it's early, but I don't mind reaching for him and and locking him in because I think that the drum
35:34beats are pretty strong. He's going to be on the field in two wide receiver sets. Is there a player in this queue
35:38you absolutely want be instead of downs?
35:42>> I'm fine with who you have at two and three. I don't really want to go QB here quite yet, but I I do
35:47>> Daniel's Daniels White would be a fun run out.
35:50>> Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think that that's a unique >> Let's take it. Let's take it.
35:53>> Yeah, >> let's take Daniels and then before we do it, >> uh I think it's Rashad White over downs.
36:00Uh we're going to get a little We're going to get into the kind of the weeds with uh wide receiver, but there are
36:06some wide receivers at the 910 turn that are really interesting. we get this correlation play with Jaden Daniels, mobile quarterback, um, and Rashad
36:15White, the passcatching running back.
36:17There's also ways to build like further Washington correlation a little later on that I think has some at like very cheap
36:23price tag. So, I like this correlation play. I if if it's it's a tough it was a tough run out for us with those last
36:32couple of wide receivers. I think that if Tyson or QJ were there, we would have taken them. I think that if Jaylen
36:38Warren had fallen there, which he rarely does, it would have been an easy click.
36:42Um, but Rashad White, I I've taken him a few times. Some people absolutely hate when you take Rashad White here. Some
36:49people absolutely get it. Um, he's my bet. I've had Davis Madak came on with me the other day and he made a big big
36:55uh stand for uh Jaory Krosky Merritt there. But my bets on White and if it's a split, it's a Rashad White backfield
37:02where he's better than what Austin Eckler was years ago. Um, and I think that White can get there with touchdowns. I think White can get there
37:10with receptions. It feels a little bit like somewhere in between last year's version of Kenneth Gainwell and last year's version of Javvante Williams. I
37:20came on your pod with you and Dan and we talked about the kind of value he presents in this range.
37:26>> Yeah, [snorts] we did league winning running backs with you on Beyond the Box score and I've really been thinking more
37:30and more about Rashad White since then.
37:32I was initially on team Bill um just because I love him as a talent as a rusher, but the man has never um really
37:40been involved as a receiver. I think that he could be in theory just watching him, but even back to college, it's like
37:46nine receptions in a season in a year where he had like 1500 rushing yards or whatever, you know, like he was a clear bellcout
37:53running back, but just wasn't used at all that way. We know that White has that skill set and if you look at
37:59Washington's schedule at the beginning of the year, it's really tough. They face some defenses that could get a lot of pressure um against their offensive
38:05line. They they could get in shootouts a lot in those games, I think, potentially. Um just in general, they're expected by Vegas to have a lot of
38:12potential shootout game scripts this year. And I think in some of those quicker pace back and forth games, especially if they're playing from
38:18behind, it does set up to potentially be Rashad White game scripts. And if we see that a lot in the early portion of the
38:24season and he plays well, I think we could just kind of see him and Daniels get where it's like this is the
38:29backfield. You know, they've got familiarity from their um time in the past and everything and like just think it could be a good fit. The other thing
38:36with White is he's really transformed himself as a runner where he's very much a north and south guy. Um we saw last
38:42year the percentage of his runs that got to the line of scrimmage before initial contact was the highest in the league of
38:47any running back and then Bucky Irving was like on the far back end of that stat. Um, so that was pretty wild to me
38:52that white was so high with Tampa Bay's offensive line in shambles for a lot of the year. I think that has a lot to do
38:57with his style of running and I think that that could fit really well in the under center stuff that David Blau wants
39:02to do. So, I'm really coming around on it. I think that it makes sense here.
39:06>> Yeah, it's it was a tough run out here and I I feel like every time when we get to like the 11th or 12th round, we're
39:12going to be like, what if we had done this instead of Jaden Daniels and we might like our team better, but that's
39:18not necessarily a guarantee. We're a little bit fragile. We're a little bit fragile at wide receiver right now. But again, if you're watching this and
39:26you've never seen an FFPC draft, FFPC, you can start two wide receivers and then you have two flexes, but with the
39:33tight end premium, uh, we've we've made a big bet on Leaporta. Leaporta is going to be in our starting lineup with Tyler
39:39Warren every week and we're a two tight end build. So, that's one flex sort of taken care of. And then uh their second
39:46flex, it's right now it's Rashad White, but I I think there's going to be some really strong values at the the 910 turn
39:54uh as well. Uh we're going to keep an eye on this one. And I think that there's, you know, I saw the same and
40:00people in the chat, shout out to to Zayn Dani who came on this podcast. I saw the same thing Zayn put out, but I think
40:06there's also some positivity with the passcatching role with Rashad White. So, we'll keep an eye on that one. Jacob, what do you think of our team so far?
40:17>> I I really like the team. Um the I wasn't wanting to go quarterback with this last pick. I would have loved to
40:22get Tyson or Quinton Johnson there. I think made sense with a Wadd and Watson being guys that I like, but also have
40:30both had their fair share of injury concerns, you know. Um so I would have loved to get another receiver that could
40:35give us some upside, particularly Tyson, I think is interesting. But as I look at this team on paper, it's like there's a
40:41lot of paths to upside. I think Gaporta could be a high-end flex for us. These receivers could produce really well.
40:47Obviously love the upside for the running backs and then the Jaden Daniels Rash or Shad White stuff. You could tell yourself a story where that works out
40:53really well, too. Um, and so there's a chance that I mean, we basically got the whole lineup filled out already, which
40:58is not necessarily how I usually draft, but I actually like it a lot. And I think there's a lot of upside with all
41:03these picks. Um, and that's what you're really shooting for in this format, right? is like you you want to be a team
41:09that's producing a ton of points at the end of the year. Um, and I think this team has the chance to do that and
41:15there's even more sleepers down the board here that we really like that are still available. So, I'm I'm I'm liking it. How do you feel? You've done more
41:21this than me.
41:22>> I feel I feel okay. I feel like we're going to have to get there. I think that a lot of our team depends on uh Warren
41:28absolutely smashing and I think that there's and then you have the idea that Leaporta is one player that I have a
41:35good amount of exposure to now. Um, I'm with you on that one. I do worry a little bit about the back. Back injuries
41:40are funny. Um, and then of course it's the Jaden Daniels here where Jaden Daniels were basically making a bet on 712 Jaden Daniels. There's going to be
41:49quarterback options at the 910 turn.
41:52There'll be quarterback options at the 1112 turn. So, when we go back at the end of the draft and we look at our team
41:57and we say, would we have liked our team better if we would have gone with, let's say, Jaden Reed and Rashad White or Josh
42:05DS and Rashad White or Josh DS and Jaden Reed instead of both those players there. There's a chance on that one. So,
42:12I feel good. I think we got a lot of work to do in the next 10 rounds, but we've got a, you know, we've got uh 12
42:18more rounds to go, Jacob. So, we've got a chance to make this team look really, really good. And some of the players you
42:22had in the queue before are still in the queue now. I'm going to be checking uh I'm going to be checking the um Yeah,
42:29you didn't like that Mai Lemon run out.
42:30I pro versus Joe's. Yeah, Lemon would have been great. I took him in the ninth round on on pros versus Joe's the other
42:36day um in FFPC over a few solid locked in wide receiver values. I think he could end up being really really fun. I was butting heads with
42:45some of my former colleagues at Fantasy Points when I was at Fantasy Points as sort of like the resident Mai Lemon uh
42:52like bull. Where are you at on Mai Lemon? Talk about what you're seeing there and how you think his season could
42:57go and really his career. Jacob, >> so what actually really got me thinking more and more about Lemon um was your
43:03episode with Pat Karine. I think people should check that out if they missed it.
43:06Um that was really good. He had some really underlooked I think um upside cases. he made. Um, and then I had Matt
43:15Harbin on and Matt was talking about on Beyond the Box and he was talking about the fact that he thinks that the offense
43:20could actually function in a way where if it's not working that we maybe see more and more Lemon than we do Devonte
43:27Smith, more and more these short targets. Um, and I just loved him as a prospect. I think he fits potentially really well with what they want to do
43:33with getting the ball out quickly and then getting through the reads quickly.
43:37Um, I I I really I think he's set up to to be potentially a high-end PPR type of producer, like a like a low-end wide
43:45receiver, too, even um down the stretch here. Um, as he if he hits his stride during his rookie season, >> we see a pretty early pick on Hunter
43:53Henry there.
43:54>> Yeah.
43:55>> Um, I wonder if it the drafter there just has conviction. It's not a correlated play. It's not like they were
44:00forcing it with Drake May. Actually, that drafter has been taking a few players ahead of ADP. They took Katon Mitchell in round eight and Hunter Henry
44:08in round nine. Not how I would have played it, but Henry was pretty good last year. And now we're OTC. Wandell
44:14Robinson was in the queue. I'm sort of glad that we not I'm not glad we didn't have the option to take him, but I I
44:19think that would have been an interesting conversation.
44:21>> I think we're we we we kind of have to go wide out wide out here. Um I'll throw Okay, so let's take our our preferred
44:28wide out here. I think we both are on Casey Conpsion >> for the brand. This is easy. So, this is easy, but let's run it down the clock so
44:36we have time to talk about the second pick here.
44:38>> Okay, KCC is is locked in. Um, high upside wide receiver selection here.
44:43I've been taking him in a ton of formats. I love him. I know you love him, too. Jacob made a case that he's
44:49going to crush it this year when he came on my pod recently. The other wide receiver that I think is interesting
44:55that we have queued up is Stfan Diggs who won't make it back to our next run and we could end up with correlation
45:01with him and Jaden Daniels if he signs.
45:04>> Um, and then we could check a let's take a like take KCC.
45:08>> Mhm.
45:08>> Okay. And then I'll just make the I will make the the the case for Matthew Golden here. I know it's it's Okay. So, here's
45:18a here's a scenario. Tucker Craft has reagggravation. You have a scenario where Golden and Watson are on the field the entire time. They both have the
45:26ability to put up spike weeks and exceptional speed. Obviously, Watson's the way better bet. Um, Diggs gives us the correlation. Golden gives us an
45:35upside swing. And I'll throw out one more play. Chigga Conquo, who's priced kind of right for a correlation play with uh Jaden Daniels. There's been some
45:44speculation he could be the number two target in Washington. And then you've got Jacobe Myers in the queue. I think my lean is Diggs. Where are you at? We
45:52got 20 seconds.
45:53>> Jacobe is definitely who I would take.
45:56Um, but if you want to go Diggs, I'm fine with that. I would go with him over a Conquo.
46:00>> So, no. No Golden.
46:02>> No Golden for me.
46:03>> Okay. So, let's take Diggs before I time out. We're taking Stfane Diggs. I just think with Diggs, Diggs, Digs to Washington, you've got here's
46:14the scenario with Diggs where Diggs is on the street right now. So, he avoids the Baltimore landing spot, which would have been just okay. Z Flowers would
46:22have been the number one target there.
46:24Um, yeah, and and anybody sort of commenting with the Golden thing there, this is the thing when you split teams, I'm higher on Golden than than Jacob is.
46:31I'll have plenty of Golden uh in my own builds, but this one we sort of want to come together uh and have something we
46:37can both like. Golden, I think, is a is an interesting one. Okay, so Diggs, the people of the haters here, Diggs goes to
46:45Washington. you get some correlation.
46:47You make another bet on Daniels with Diggs. Diggs last year averaged 12 and a half points per game. Played only about
46:52what was it 65 70% of snaps last year in New England.
46:57>> Um had a thousand receiving yards. If he ends up in Washington, I think there's a chance that he's a viable flex for us
47:04this year. And he's always been sort of a strong target earner. He's never had less than a 20% target share in any uh
47:12season of his entire career. and let's say he doesn't sign with Washington. The other scenario is Diggs is on the couch
47:19somewhere and you see an injury, another injury happens here in the preseason and that team says Stefan Diggs is out there
47:27and he becomes the wide receiver too for another really interesting team. There's been like connection with him with Kansas City. Could there be connection
47:36with him with another team if there's an injury? I just think Diggs has a lot of outs here. Um, at this 10 11 at this uh
47:43910 turn, Malik Washington goes off the board. This team is going a little uh a little bit interesting selections here from the uh from the eight hole here
47:53after a James Cook uh start with Ibuka and Rashi Rice, Mike Evans, David Montgomery, Lamar Jackson, Dallas Goddard, and then it's gotten pretty
48:01interesting. Uh your thoughts on on my my pro- Diggs take here. Let us know in the chat where you think Diggs is going
48:08to end up.
48:09>> Yeah, Diggs played really well last year. It's hard to say to what extent that's like a skill um based result. Um
48:16in terms of all the per route efficiency and everything, I think playing with Drake May really really helps. Um and McDaniels did a really good job of of
48:24scheming him open. Um but at the same time, he he played well. He performed well for sure. And I think that there's
48:29a chance he still has juice. And of course, if he lands with Washington, that would be really interesting. like there's a lot of uh targets available
48:37there. Um Terry McLuren is fantastic, but has never really been a guy who's pushed his target share up very high. I
48:44think that that could change if they move him around more and focus the offense on him and he's not just stuck
48:48out on the left side all the time like he's been with Cliff Kingsbury, but we've really seen his whole career McLaren even day to college, Mike
48:55McLaren's never been like a huge target share type of guy. He's been more of a field stretching player. Um, so I think
49:01we could just see like you just alluded to, digs continue to get this big target number. Um, and if everything plays out
49:08like we said it could with Washington with the projected shootouts that that could be a lot of uh PPR production for
49:14really really cheap. Ryan Heath just wrote up his uh anatomy of a league winner article he's been working on all off seasonason. He narrowed it down to
49:2218 players because that's how many uh difference makers there were last year in fantasy football. So, he just went with 18 and Diggs was one of them. You
49:30know, you could choose 18 players in fantasy. You've thought about it all summer long and to land on Diggs was really noteworthy to me. Um, but that's
49:38who he landed on. And so, I think I'm fine with it this range. Like I said, I I feel um like there are other options
49:44we could have gone with, but I think Diggs makes a lot of sense. And the teams that he's linked to the most,
49:51pretty much all of them feel pretty good. I mean, maybe the worst one that I've heard for fantasy would be Buffalo,
49:55but it's like, is that I mean, that's not that bad, right?
49:58>> No, I mean, yeah, a digs a digs Buffalo run out. But it sounds like, you know, and appreciate the live chat. I've
50:04always really appreciated ever since I I came over here to Roto Wire, I had some people sort of that were that I knew
50:09from my chats at at Fantasy Points and then some new faces. There's been so many like sharp locked in people who are
50:16drafting a lot of teams that are in these streams. So, really appreciate you guys and how active you are in the chat.
50:21even when you dislike my picks, I I really appreciate it. Jordan Schulz is saying expectations around the league are that Diggs ends up in Washington
50:30soon. So, that's pretty much a run out like we wanted here. We made the big bet on Jaden Daniels at the 712. We
50:37correlated with Rashad White and now that we have further correlation with Stfan Diggs, I think we could even open open ourselves up to Antonio Williams in
50:46the 16th round if it sort of lands that way. I'll give a shout out to team nine who continues to draft very very well.
50:53Kenneth Gainwell in round nine, Chicaquo in round 10. Uh and then we'll go back to team one who Tommy Leretti who
51:01crammed in a bunch of Bears missed out on the Caleb Williams stack. Uh but ended up with Blake Cororm and Jonathan
51:09Brooks sort of playing catch-up after his Bejon Robinson start. And then Tommy takes Matthew Golden, who I sort of made an argument for at the 1001, falls all
51:19the way to the 1101 to Tommy. So, pretty clean living for team 1. Uh, let us know in the in the comments which team you
51:25like besides team 9. Team 9's doing a really really good job. Um, we're going to come back to the 1112. I think we're
51:33open-minded to, and it's official now, according to multiple people in our chat. Jacob Gibbs and I, I think we influenced this signing. Uh the
51:43Washington commander said, "We want to we want to make uh Jacob Gibbs win some money this year in his first FFBC
51:48draft." Uh so we're going to get that little correlation play. Okay, now let's galaxy brain it. Jacob, we're both very much on Terry McLaren. Terry McLaren
51:56target shares historically are not quite the same level as Stfan Diggs. Uh historically, where are we at on what is the percent chance that Stfan Diggs
52:06leads the commanders and targets this year?
52:08>> Um yeah, like 40% something like that. I think it's realistic. I think if he might have the highest I don't know like
52:16yeah it's probably him and and McLuren are dead even that might be insane but I just think we could they don't want
52:23Jaden to get hurt they want to get that ball out quick you know I think that we could see a lot of the quick targets go
52:28to him I think all the play action design stuff is probably going to be focused on trying to unlock Terry McLuren deep um he's been with the team
52:34they've been working on all offseason but yeah I I I think that this could be a a massive season for Diggs lowkey for
52:40fantasy for PPR purposes is.
52:43>> Yeah. No, I'm with you. It's a really, really fun one. I I like where your head's at in in our in our queue, too. I
52:49You've been cooking in the queue. You've been loading up some really, really fun names. I think number three in our in
52:55our queue, and apologize to apologize to the people who want us to talk openly on this, but there's multiple teams that
53:00are in our draft that are that are uh watching and and commenting. T number three is an auto pick for me if he's
53:07here.
53:07>> Okay, >> that's the one I want. Um, and then I'm open-minded towards a number of other players there. Uh, we'll talk about it
53:15when we get there, but we are five picks, four picks away now. Five picks away, excuse me. Uh, and we're about to
53:23be at the 1112 turn. So, we'll review our team after we make these two selections. We have three running backs.
53:29Uh, and through 10 rounds, but good ones with Omarian Hampton, Ashton Genty, and now Rashad White. We see Jaory Kroski Merrick go just a little bit later than
53:40Rashad White. Uh we have correlation now with Stfan Diggs, Rashad White, and Jaden Daniels. So we're betting on go David Blau. I hope you have a great
53:48first season as OC there. Uh maybe we'll fasttrack him, get him a head coaching job. And I think we're still breaking
53:55ties with wide receiver to catch up a little bit. I'll also say that wide receiver um is going to start really
54:02drying up where there's going to be uh a lack of like draftable wide receivers.
54:07Um not draftable, but guys that you can foresee would be a consistent starters for you. Uh those guys are going to
54:14start drying up really quickly. So, I think we're breaking ties at wide receiver here.
54:19Running back, I like some of the guys you have in the queue. Number three would be super interesting. I don't love
54:25him, but I'm willing to bet against myself with that one. Jacob, is anybody else in the queue that really stands out
54:30to you?
54:32>> Uh, no. I think the top guys are all really good picks. Um, I would I think I there's a number of receivers who I
54:38still like, so I think I would like to go wide receiver running back here. I also think that there's a tight end that
54:44we could consider. Um, we don't have, you know, I it would be a big upside swing. Um, but it's somebody who could
54:54uh I don't know if I love him for this format, to be honest. I I think he's fine. I agree with you when you say for
55:00this format that in a maybe in a half point PPR, a regular PPR, he maybe is a little more valuable because he's I
55:06don't think he's going to be peppered this year. Um I think that there's multiple players. Okay, so we are OTC here. I think that and Marshon Lloyd
55:16goes he would have been an interesting conversation for us to have. I think Dejon Stribbling is a no-brainer here to get some upside at the wide receiver
55:24position. Uh, some juice here. I mean, stribbling is a Mike Evans injury away from being utilized like kind of like
55:33Brandon Iayuk. I mean, even if it's a six week stretch, he could be a really fun one with his athleticism and his
55:40ability to score touchdowns. I think we take him and then we could lock him in. What's your lean for the second pick here?
55:51>> It's the running back. I have I have Chris Rodriguez here. um would be my pick. I'm also fine with Jonah Coleman.
55:57So, I love Stribbling. That's a great pick. Um go ahead and lock that one in.
56:01I think so. Rodriguez, we don't have any Jaguars on this team. Um and I think he's an interesting way to get access to
56:08that and somebody who might end up having sneaky value. I think their schedule at the beginning of the year is really tough and we could see Tuton
56:15struggle for as much as I like Tuton as a pick this year.
56:18>> Let me throw out one thing. Debo Samuel out.
56:23double tap the wide receiver room in San Fran.
56:25>> Picked.
56:26>> Okay. Well, he's he's okay. He's been picked.
56:29>> Yeah.
56:30>> Yeah, he was. Excuse me, I missed that one. Okay. I I don't mind Rodriguez. I don't really love him. I'm a tootin
56:36stand, but it's a >> conviction on any of these other running backs. [sighs] >> Not really. I think they're all in sort
56:43of a bucket here. I like the idea of going with Tank Bsby if we want to go upside upside swing hedge against the
56:49field. If if Saquon goes down, he'd be awesome. The guy who I actually have ranked the highest is Zack Sharbon. And
56:55I think at the end of the year he could score a lot and we feel pretty good about our running backs early season.
56:59>> Let's go Rodriguez. You liked him before. You made an argument. He's he's uh he's a fine bet. Um I turned I tuned
57:06into a draft. Uh I had Ron Stewart on.
57:08You ever pod with Ron Stewart?
57:12>> I think maybe last year. I don't know if I did or not. I've watched his YouTube channel a little bit.
57:16>> It was my first time potting with him. I thought he did a really great job and and and the audience really liked him.
57:20But, uh, I I tuned into one of his drafts and he sort of made a case for Rodriguez. I know Scott Barrett's made
57:25cases for Rodriguez. I've heard you sort of talk about Rodriguez. And even if you're a even if you're a uh, Bachel
57:33Tutin stand like I am, Rodriguez having a run out where he just scores a bunch of touchdowns in that offense could be
57:39could be sort of what gets him there.
57:41Um, so I'm I think it's fine. And I mean Tank Bsby there, it's more of an upside bet where Rodriguez is so limited as a
57:49pass catcher. Not like Tank Bsby is anything special there, but I think Digsby could see a more Saquon-esque role with like Will Shipley mixing in,
57:58whereas Rodriguez would still be like a high volume running threat to touchdown threat uh if Tutin were to miss time.
58:07But I think Rodriguez is is fine there.
58:09So we end up with Dejon Stribbling and Chris Rodriguez. Not a bad turn of events at the 1112 turn there. Uh and we
58:18were able to catch up at wide receiver I think where Casey Conpsion, Stefan Diggs, and Dejon Stribbling in rounds 9, 10, and 11 after being incredibly thin
58:27at the position. We're not done at wide receiver either. Um I think that there's multiple options that are going to be
58:34there. just there. It's it's a way longer bets when you get into like the 13th 14th round, but I don't think
58:40you're at like the end of the line for wide receivers. But I think if you're drafting structurally in the FFPC these
58:46days and you need to catch up at wide receiver, you've got to kind of attack it in 9 10 11, it really does start to
58:53dry up. We see Romeo Dubs go at the 122.
58:56He was in RQ. your thoughts on Romeo Dubs who's getting like some positive buzz, some slot usage talk up in New
59:04England right now.
59:05>> Yeah, I thought that was really interesting. Scott Barrett came on and we did a birthday episode. Him and I have the same birthday and we did a
59:10bunch of advanced stats and he was like, "What if Romeo Dobs is just the the slot there? What if he's like actually
59:17prioritized and AJ Brown is kind of like more of a a field stretching X for them like he has been?" And he gave some
59:23stats on his separation score from the slot. Um, his production has been really good. Green Bay has used him a lot on
59:29those outbreaking routes. I think he's a lot better than people realize, like first down per route run rate is a stat
59:35that's been really important for predicting future fantasy scoring, and he's been consistently good at that, like the leader for Green Bay
59:42year-over-year. Um, and then the other thing that Scott likes to bring up is that, uh, Drake May has in the past had
59:49a tendency of spreading the ball around.
59:50So, I'm really in on AJ Brown. and I think he just has such a massive upside case. Um, and it's unlikely that he's a
59:58huge miss unless he has health problems.
60:02Um, so I don't end up drafting a ton of Dobs. Um, but there's a chance that he matters if the if the offense is good
60:08and passes a ton even as just the secondary receiver and you can kind of plug him into the flex like you might
60:15with Michael Pitman or you know Jacobe Meyers or Stefon Diggs or whoever it is as kind of a volume based play and then
60:22it's like well what if something were to happen to AJ Brown with the the knees or whatever you know and Dubs has to kind
60:28of step in as the wide receiver one it could be really good like I I I feel like the offense could still be pretty
60:35dang functional. Like I even like Kyle Williams and some of their other pieces there. Kan Booty has played well and Dubs could be like the leading targeter
60:43in that situation. So I think it's a great pick in round 12.
60:47>> Yeah, you make a really really strong case for it. um looking at some of these teams and look at sort of the the structure here. You
60:56know, I think one thing to consider in the double digit rounds for FFPC is you start getting the the you want to kind
61:03of swing for upside here. You also have to remember there's going to be a waiverwire run uh before the season.
61:09There's also going to be a waiverwire run after the two weekn night games. And then the other interesting thing in FFPC
61:16is you have the free look. So the Wednesday and Thursday players can go in and out of your lineup. So taking
61:23breaking ties when you get to like rounds 17 through 20 on just guys who play for San Francisco, LA, New England,
61:32Seattle and sort of tell yourself, could this guy have a big spike week? Like the the viability with those guys is always
61:39interesting. and sort of the even the special teams players, you know, if you want to go kicker for New England or
61:44something like that, if he has a poor game one, you can cut him and put in a different kicker. So, different ways to
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62:17Beyond the Box Score. Jacob and Dan are putting out awesome content over there.
62:22How many shows a week are you doing, Jacob? It's it's it's like the volume's ticking up.
62:26>> Yeah. Yeah. This week we'll probably put out like eight episodes or something. I feel like maybe even more. We've kind of
62:32lately just been like, "What if we did this?" You know, like we just talked off air like this is a fun episode. Like we
62:36could do this in 30 minutes. So most recently we just um drafted like which quarterbacks do we think have the most
62:41potential upside to get to QB1 which and then we're going to do that for every position and then another >> Well, give us a taste. Give us a taste.
62:46Don't just say it. Who give us like two quarterbacks?
62:48>> I took Drake May first. That was my top pick. And I I feel like people are just forgetting about what May did last year
62:53and I don't really >> I have him QB I have him QB2 overall in my rank. I feel like it's all
62:56sustainable, but he goes I mean I'm pretty sure Scott Barrett I saw had him at QB5 and I see him sometimes go at the
63:01back end of that elite secondary group and it's like he wasn't that much different than Allen at times last year in year two in his first year with a new
63:09coordinator. I feel like it could just get better. They could pass more. People point towards the schedule as like the reason that they played well, but it's
63:15like the defenses they faced were not good, but they weren't like abysmal. It was more so that they like I think
63:21they're 21st or something in DVOA overall in the year. for the defenses they faced more so it was just that the
63:27teams were bad so they were blowing them out. They were playing with a lead all the time and it's like what if they just
63:31get into more back and forth games and they lean on the pass game because they invested in it because they have MVP
63:35candidate and their line is better at pass protection than run blocking. Like I I feel like we could see May play even
63:41better than last year as crazy as that sounds and he's going to keep running.
63:45He's really early in his career. I feel like he's just a chica for fantasy. Um, but yeah, we didn't Another one we did
63:50was like what if we just crossed off like 10 teams? Just like didn't draft any players from these teams. Which teams would they be? And then do we
63:58still feel good about how our fantasy teams would look? And so we did that. We just went one by one and picked which
64:03teams we think we would be fine getting rid of um from the fantasy pool and got rid of 10 of them. And then we looked at
64:08the players left available. We're like, we could still build a really good team with [laughter] with these uh these players crossed off our list. The only
64:15ones that I cared about were like Malik Neighbors and Cam Scataboo and a few players like that. But really, I think
64:19you can get away with it. Jeremiah Love, you know, you're missing some of those players. But basically, the idea is like
64:25if you just focus on the best play designers, the best coaches that are doing all the fantasy friendly things, you could still just be fine. You could
64:33just draft just the best players from the best teams and be fine. As simple as it sounds. Um, so yeah, lots of lots of
64:39good content over there with Dan. long form content and then also individual player specific stuff. Like over the past two months, I've just been putting
64:48out as much context as I can looking back at like historical comparisons like is Ashton Genty the next Leia Thomasson or is he the next Trent Richardson and
64:56like digging into all this advanced data from history and like what it might suggest for these players going forward.
65:02So if there's anybody you're specifically curious about like can Z Flowers finally get his target share unlocked in the red zone? like here are
65:09other small receivers and what their careers look like and it's like wow his red zone target share early in his career is higher than Antonio Browns was
65:15it was higher than Tyler Lockett was and then when their team realized how good that player was and they started building everything around them you see
65:22the target share in the red zone spike and now Tyler Lockett scoring 8 10 11 eight 10 touchdowns for five straight
65:28years you know and it's like could something like that happen so all sorts of content there at your fingertips go binge it all beyond the box score
65:35fantasy football today >> uh some notable able selection structurally. We've seen a big run of running backs. We took Chris Rodriguez
65:43at the 1201 and then we see Zack Charbano a few picks later. Then you get Jonah Coleman, Woody Marks, Aaron Jones,
65:50Tai Spears, Isaiah Pacheco, Jaden Blue, and Tank Bsby all going off the board within the 10 consecutive picks. So, it's running back cleanup. Then we see
66:01it's always notable that Patrick Mahomes just went in the 13th round as the quarterback 15 off the board. Team uh number six has two quarterbacks. A lot
66:11of two quarterback builds in this one. I think it makes you know the the team number two uh who's took their first
66:17quarterback in round 11. That makes a little sense. I don't necessarily know if taking Jackson Dart uh when you're team number three when you took Joe
66:26Burrow makes a lot of sense in this sort of format, but uh you're seeing a lot more two quarterback builds with
66:32quarterback quarterbacks following this year. Rasheed Shahed goes uh at the 1310, which would have been an awesome pick for us here at the 1312. I've been
66:41taking Shahed a lot. The market is just like letting him fall. I've taken Shahid in so many drafts now, Jacob. We'll talk
66:47about him in a minute. Um, but we're two picks away. Structurally, we're open.
66:53Bone Knicks goes. Okay. So, we we are we are uh open-minded here.
67:00I'm going to kind of say >> what I would do here is I would be a dick and take two tight ends. And I
67:04there's two tight ends I really like here.
67:06>> Okay.
67:07>> I just feel like I still think we need another I I Okay, I'm I'm down with one of the tight ends.
67:13>> Okay.
67:14>> I'm not down with the with number four.
67:15or I just feel like it's a you're never going to start him. You're just never going to start him. I don't think it's
67:19going to ever happen. Um we could talk about it in a minute, but I think for me it's Denzel Boston, which seems like a
67:25double tap on Cleveland, but I think that they're both going to be the highest scoring wide receivers in Cleveland this year. It's a bet on
67:31talent. I'll also say Jaylen McMillan is very interesting to me here. McMillan or Boston? Do you have a preference? I think and I'll throw Omar Cooper in the
67:40mix.
67:41>> Um McMillan is who I would lean to over Boston. I would take the tight end here and then give us a little bit of time to
67:46talk on the receivers.
67:48>> Okay. So, let's take Terrence Ferguson.
67:50>> Like it. Yeah.
67:50>> Okay. So, let's take Terence Ferguson.
67:52We'll talk about him in a minute.
67:53>> Let's talk out this wide receiver selection because I think it's an important one because they're not all going to hit.
68:00>> McMillan is in the best offensive situation and he could be the spike week guy in Tampa Bay.
68:05>> I had Sigman Bloom on. He's all over Jail McMillan this year. Boston has sort of been my guy where I've actually liked
68:12combining him and uh and KCC. I think Pat Karine and I have talked about that too. Boston is just a bet on talent and
68:18then Omar Cooper has a better pathway um with uh with Kenyan Sadi on the sideline, but I like another Jets wide
68:26receiver later. I'm good with taking McMillan here if if you are. Um let's take McMillan. I mean >> I love Boston, but I mean I'm betting
68:34against betting on it's just different levels of offense. Either either of these rookies could fall to us in the next round. I really think they could if
68:41people don't like him.
68:42>> McMillan is McMillan's easy.
68:45>> I keep taking McMillan. I have so much exposure to him on underdog. I have so much exposure to him in in best balls,
68:51but he's just good. Jel McMillan's just good. And it's sort of like Jacob, we're both making the huge bet on a Mecha
68:57Ibuka this year, but I think like what's the percentage chance that McMillan outscores Chris Godwin this year in PPR without an injury?
69:05>> 20%.
69:06>> Yeah. So, I think that's and that's a that's reflected with the draft capital.
69:10And then you've still got the you've got the the chance that Godwin just gets injured again and there's aggravation.
69:16He's 30 plus. And McMillan, I think what's interesting is he was so good in 2024 down the stretch. There was so much
69:24positivity with him in 2024 after they took him in the third round, just how good he was in training camp. I remember
69:29like sort of the the talk of the of of fantasy was how good Bucky Irving is and how good Jaylen McMillan were um in the
69:37same off season. Then McMillan has the scary injury last year. Comes back from it and now the vibes are really good. I
69:44mean Tampa based social media is trying to to pump up Jaylen McMillan every chance they can. Uh so really an interesting one there. Let's give a
69:52quick um review of our team. I think we've done damage here. Like we said, how do we like our team after that
69:59Washington tilting correlation play? I think we've caught up very well. Omar and Hampton in round one, Ashton Genty in round two, Jaylen Wadd in round
70:08three, Tyler Warren in round four, Christian Watson in round five, Sam Leaporta in round six. Then we tilted out, went Washington with Jaden Daniels
70:19and Rashad White in the seven eight turn. Then we got Casey Conpsion, a player that we both really really like at the 912. We took Stfan Diggs and
70:30miraculously at the same time we took him essentially people are announcing Jordan Schultz is saying he's signing with the Commanders. So we end up with
70:37three Washington commanders. We get Dejon Stribbling at the 1112, Chris Rodriguez at 1201, Terrence Ferguson at the 1312, Jaylen McMillan at
70:47the 1401. We just talked about the bullcase with Jaylen McMillan. What's a bull scenario? Give us like your biggest positive scenario for Terrence Ferguson
70:57this year. What would have to happen for him to be a really fun player for us to roster in fantasy?
71:03>> Probably an injury to Devonte Adams, which is realistic. Um, I mean, he's probably near the the top of, you know,
71:10predictable injuries at wide receiver.
71:12You obviously don't want to bank on that, but it's definitely a possibility.
71:15Um, I also think if Puka were to get hurt, which again, you don't want to bank on that, but the guy plays like an
71:21absolute maniac >> and he's a little bit maniacal in his in his personal life, too. Let's throw that out there, too. You don't see uh you
71:28don't you don't have the same levels of fears with Jamar Chase or Aman Ross St.
71:34Brown or Jackson Smith and Jigba that you do with Pukuna just doing something a little crazy. [laughter] >> So, I like Tfur because he can do a
71:42little bit of everything. He can definitely coming into the league, I thought his best trait was probably the getting him moving on a horizontal path
71:49and then running and striding out. Um, super long dude and I think can just catch that ball and outrun people, out
71:56angle people. He's a lot faster than they're they're realizing and can get some chunk plays that way. Um, so I think some of the catch and run stuff is
72:03like some of the stuff that you do with Puka you could potentially do with him, but he also last year showed a real
72:10ability to win in contested catch situations and he needed to come down with all of them, but I thought it was
72:15encouraging that they went to him a lot.
72:17Sean McVey went to this rookie a lot where on important like third downs, they would isolate him on one side as
72:24the only route runner over there and have route designs where they're trying to get him a jump ball, get him a
72:30one-on-one on that side because they're overloading the other side for where the defense is more focused on the receivers over there. And he came down with some
72:37of them. And then in the red zone, they were doing some of that, too. And in the preseason, I remember watching his his
72:42deployment. He didn't he missed a couple games, but then he got in his deployment and his route running and everything.
72:46and it seemed like they were really focused on using him down the field more than I would have expected. I thought he
72:52was going to be more of just a catch- run guy. You don't often see a lot of tight ends that are used vertically. Um,
72:59unless that was very clear that that's what their skill set was coming in like Elijah Royo or Kyle Pittz or something
73:04like that's what they did in college.
73:07But that's not exactly what Ferguson was. He was more of a catch and run guy at Oregon. But right away it was clear
73:12they wanted to use him that way. And I really liked the the tempoing to his routes and stuff where he was actually
73:16able to create separation and then stack and it's the preseason, but stack defenders and beat them down the field with his speed. I'm like, "Wow, this is
73:25really interesting for a tight end."
73:27>> And then we see them slowly build to roll out as the year goes on. Um, but I think that there's just a lot of
73:34different ways he can contribute. So, if anyone in the offense is to get hurt, then maybe he steps in. Um, and then I
73:40also think he has the requisite size and physicality to potentially be a big blocker. We often see Titans from year one to year two make that step where
73:50they can play way more than they did in year one. Um, because they've got a better grasp of the offense. They had
73:55another offseason. They did all the training and everything necessary to get stronger and ready for the rigors of a NFL season. And so I just feel really
74:02really good placing that bet on a guy who's I know is very talented and is very cheap as he goes into year two
74:07where we often see so many tight end breakouts in a great offense.
74:10>> Yeah, I mean you you nailed it. There's been a a lot of like bullish takes on Terrence Ferguson on m with multiple
74:18creators who've come on my podcast. Um, I think he's he's a really fun upside bet. And we talk about the 2025 tight
74:24end class where I remember going on Dynasty podcast and I said, "This is a transformative year at the tight end position." And I got people sort of
74:32laughing at me a little bit with that take. It It came true. Look at where these guys are being drafted. Tyler
74:38Warren, Harold Fannon Jr., uh, and certainly Colston Lovelin. All those guys are steaming up. Well, Terrence Ferguson was also an early day two pick
74:47for LA. Um, I think he's athletically gifted. There's just a lot to like and it's a cheap upside swing. And we take
74:54Terrence Ferguson and then you see AJ Barner, Kenyan Sadique, Pat Frith, Daltton Schultz, Gunnerhelm, and Greg Doulsich all go off the board within 10
75:02picks of one another. So, I think we were right to get our tight end three.
75:06Interesting one there. Uh, we have the the queue loaded up. EMTT Johnson goes off the board here. Um, we also see
75:13Antonio Williams go to Tommy Lerretti at the 101. He would have been an interesting way to build a little bit further correlation. Sort of a if one of
75:22the older wide receivers goes down, Antonio Williams would have a pathway. I do think that like Antonio Williams is the biggest loser from the Stfane Diggs
75:32signing with Washington. Jacob, do you agree with that? Yeah.
75:35>> Yeah. I was curious if we might get him to fall like to round 18 or something.
75:38You know what I mean? If people would react to the news. Um, in which case then I would be fine taking him because
75:43I do think he could play inside and out.
75:44I don't think that Diggs presence necessarily has to preclude him from still having a chance to produce if he's as good as they build him up to be. Um,
75:52and if they pass a lot, but yeah, I think at this draft range, there's other players I prefer.
75:58>> Yeah. And I think we've got a really fun Q coming up. Uh, running back-wise, we're only at four, but we're at a good
76:06four. Um, you're in the kind of the fun upside uh handcuff tier here. You were correct on the wide receivers that we
76:15talked about. One of them would fall, one of them will fall. Uh, I think we're we're open-minded to multiple things here. I'm I'm just going to throw out in
76:24terms of a quarterback two here, I might like the two guys that I have queued up sort of a little lower than than player
76:33number one. Um, and it that sort of makes me open-minded and maybe we could push it back to the next one. Having a
76:40QB2, I think, is not the worst idea in the world. I'd rather lean into very good offenses than the rushing upside
76:49here. I I understand Malik Willis, but I think if we're going to go QB2, I might prefer a Mayfield, which gives us a
76:56little correlation with with McMillan, Shuck, which just gives us a great offense. Before we do that, we're wide receiver. Do you want to cram in one
77:04more wide receiver? I also think running back is interesting here. Uh, running back-wise, I think that the the two handcuffed running backs actually
77:14make sense for our build. It allows us to stay fragile. What's your lean? Who's your favorite player in the queue here,
77:20Jacob? Let's get one of yours and then one of mine.
77:22>> I Is it out of consideration to just go two receivers here and just draft both of these rookie receivers that we like
77:27and we were considering last round? I know. Oh, I don't think it's I don't think it's I don't think it's out of the
77:31question.
77:32>> That's what I would do.
77:33>> Let's just take him. Let's take uh Who's your preferred one? Let's take Boston, who I like.
77:38>> Mhm.
77:39>> And then let's let's take Omar Cooper Jr. Um Kron Allen would have been interesting. Just before we take it, I'll say Kron we had in the queue.
77:47Anybody sort of wondering, Katron Allen?
77:50Katron Allen went. So Kron Allen and Rashad White would have given us a double bet towards the Washington backfield. I'm kind of glad we didn't
77:57have to build that. I do think some of these running backs will be there. Um, Cooper, I've I've been taking a lot of
78:05Adai Mitchell, but I do think Cooper's got a pathway after the Kenyon Sadi being banged up. So, we can always cut
78:14one of these guys if it's not working out, too. I think we'll know very early on sort of the usage. But, Cooper, they
78:20took in the first round. Let's make a double rookie wide receiver bet. And we're officially done at wide receiver, Jacob. We have actually in in FFPC you
78:30definitely don't need to have an eight eight wide receiver build. You can walk out of a FFBC room with six wide
78:36receivers and feel fine. But I do think we were chasing a little bit of upside here after only having two through the
78:43first eight rounds and we've sort of scattershoted it with a number of these guys. Um, >> I feel a little uncomfortable at running
78:51back, but I think what we've got here is you get to week one, you see what the role is for these two rookies. And I'm
78:56fine dropping Boston right away. I know that you love them. I would even be fine dropping Cooper, too. Um, I want to I do
79:02want to talk about the two of them. Um, and compare them side by side. Um, to me, they're both really interesting
79:07where it's like you might get right away confirmation of what their role could be. Um, and of course you always want to
79:13be patient with rookies, but at the same time I just if Boston is like not a big part of their plans. I'm I'm fine
79:20letting him go because I don't even know if he's ever going to have a fantasy friendly game as a rookie um with a
79:26quarterback situation that they have.
79:28Cooper Jr. is a little more interesting, especially if Sadique is missing time early on and takes a little bit more time than expected to find his footing
79:35where he could be the second piece in the offense, right? Like I I like AD Mitchell, but I think I just I gravitate
79:42so much more strongly towards the short inside out receivers who can you can build out catch and run opportunities with than I do the downfield guys. Um it
79:52it just is it seems very unlikely to me that AD Mitchell is going to get enough targets to matter for fantasy. Um
79:59whereas Cooper, you could see him get six, seven, eight targets in games early on in his rookie season. Um, I I think
80:07Garrett Wilson is where the offense obviously functions through and then they've got more of these short catch and run guys and AD Mitchell is going to
80:14be creating space for those guys. Um, so I I like the idea of taking as many shots as we can on these later receivers
80:23to see if any of them have upside or are trending in the right direction and then we can always kind of filter out and try
80:28to get more upside handcuff type running back bullets on the bench. And I really think it it's weird to have so many
80:36receivers on the team, but [snorts] again, we went sort of light at receiver where we started with running backs. Um, we took two tight ends in the first, I
80:44think, five rounds. Um, and so then you've got Watson and Wadd who we like as conviction bets, but are both prove
80:50it guys. We need to see them actually do it, live up to the upside, and we need to actually see them be healthy. And if
80:56either or both of them aren't, then we really need as many shots at upside, I think, as possible, which is why I like
81:02drafting a bunch of receivers here and just letting it play out.
81:05>> Yeah, it's fine. And I think like the we lose out on Tyler Shuck there going people used to do this in 350s in FFPC
81:14and sometimes in NFC where a couple years ago it was naked QB builds where you took only one quarterback. Now, it's
81:23gone completely opposite where you're see you'll end up seeing more teams that take three quarterbacks than take one quarterback. But the thing to remember
81:31is quarterbacks get cut. The teams draft three quarterbacks don't necessarily carry three quarterbacks. Um so I think like passing up a quarterback there was
81:41felt weird, but um it's it's not the end of the world. I think we can end up with a quarterback. I think we're going to
81:48need another running back before the end of this draft. Um, we do miss out on Mike Washington, which would have been
81:54sort of the rule in these drafts. And I'll shout out to Abib Agboba, who's uh won this contest twice. Uh, his sort of
82:02general rule for handcuffing is one that I usually follow as well, that handcuffing is fine if you really like your team. And I think we like our team.
82:11We could have gone Mike Washington there. Um, will we regret it only if Ashen Genty gets injured? But it if it
82:18the thing about handcuffs is I think a lot of people look at it as as a zero sum game where running back goes down
82:25and handcuff goes in and plays the entire season. It could also be Ashen Genty takes a slight knock and you have
82:32a 2 three week period where Mike Washington leads the backfield.
82:35>> Are those weeks going to be valuable enough that they're going to kill us?
82:38Potentially. Depends on when they fall.
82:41Um, but you know, handcuffing is not a necessity, but I think some people will look at it and say, "I never handcuff in
82:47these major tournaments." I think that if you talk to some of the most successful drafters, they don't necessarily agree on that. Uh, so I
82:54think you have to be open-minded with that. Um, shout out to Nikki Banks in in the chat. She's saying, "Rip" to the
83:00Chika Conquo stands out there. How much does uh Stfan Diggs hurt Chika Conquo, Jacob?
83:05>> I think probably a lot, right? I I could be wrong, but I think that they'll probably operate a lot in the same area
83:10and Diggs will be more of the priority there. So, Ako is probably at this point more of the checkown option and I think
83:17Jane Daniels likes to run a lot, you know, so I don't know how often he'll actually be checking down.
83:24>> Speaking of the three QB builds, interesting team, too. Um, waited on quarterback till round 11, took Matthew Stafford, then took Jared Goff in round
83:3312, and then takes Baker Mayfield in round 16. We've seen some very successful drafters sort of utilizing this three quarterback build strategy,
83:42sort of taking a bet on which teams have the best sort of game flow and usage.
83:47Probably they're going to end up cutting one of those quarterbacks though would be my my prediction. It's just very difficult in a 20man roster FFPC format
83:56to carry three quarterbacks throughout the year. even if they're three good ones, it's just hard when when it starts the season starts moving along, you get
84:03to week one, week two, week one and week two, if you play in these sort of formats or really fantasy football in
84:10general, you don't want to sit out the week one waiverwire run, it's always one of the best runs of the season cuz even
84:16guys as smart as Jacob and some of the guests I've had on this show, and maybe myself a little bit, even if we predict
84:22things very well, there's going to be guys with way better usage in week one that we weren't anticipating. ing and NFL teams finally have to tell us the
84:30truth in week one, Jacob. It's no like no hiding it. If a guy comes out, it's the Cordel Patterson corlary where
84:37Cordary Patterson played all those snaps week one and people are like, "Oh, wow.
84:40Cordary scored 11 points, but I'm going to leave him on the waiver wire." And then all of a sudden he finishes as like
84:45the running back 12 that year. Uh teams tell us the truth in week one a lot. And sometimes teams in week two, if a guy
84:51does it two weeks in a row, uh that guy becomes very viable. Round 17, we're two picks away. Uh, we are looking at
84:59multiple options here. There's pretty clear one for us here. I think this is a no-brainer, and it fall fell to us in a
85:05in a really easy way here.
85:07>> Um, actually, no, he went. Never mind.
85:09Um, okay. We are quarterbackwise, you want to grab your QB2. And then let's take a let's take a a running back option.
85:19I'll throw out.
85:22Man, that Kamani Vidal would have been a really nice run out here, huh?
85:24>> I know. That's who I wanted. I really like Vidal. I have him at like ahead of a lot of the running backs who went like
85:30round 134. I think he's fantastic >> running that killed us where Mike Washington and Vidal we had considered last go round. I think two for two. If
85:39we would have taken Kamani Vidal ahead with our Omari and Hampton pick, we would have liked things a little bit more. Uh let's take I think I I see your
85:47Adam Randall enthusiasm. I think it's Justice Hill though. Let's take Malik Willis. at our QB2 that you like and a lot.
85:53>> Do you have any is Jordan James off the board? I mean, he's a couple of weeks.
85:59>> It's again, it's a tough player to keep.
86:00I think it I think the pick is Justice Hill. Um, I don't think Adam Randle is going to get drafted. The other player
86:06we could potentially draft. What's going on with Jaylen Wright right now?
86:10>> I don't know for sure. We'll have to see on that one. I don't think we're going to get any definitive answer until week
86:16one. Um, and or maybe it's a preseason thing, but I really think Olli Gordon is an interesting fight.
86:21>> I think Ollie Gordon's fine, too. It's Olly Gordon versus Justice Hill versus George Hani for me here.
86:26>> Um, George Helani is interesting. Kayn Black went for somebody who's saying take Kalin Black. He's gone.
86:34>> Gordon, who I have ranked the highest.
86:36>> Let's take a Olli Gordon. I think it's fine.
86:38>> Okay.
86:39>> I think it's the run out here. Um, probably the handcuff in Miami. He could probably fall the next turn, but I'm not
86:46going to mess with it. When you get into these sort of weeds, um, you know, you're you're taking some swings here. You just get a sort of a
86:53double Miami bet here as well. I don't want Devon Han to miss miss any time.
86:57Devon Han is my guy. Um, but we we go we take our running back here. So, we're extremely fragile at running back in
87:03terms of sheer numbers. After going running back at the at the the one two turn, we end up with five total running
87:10backs. and Jacob, we are officially done with skilled position players because in the FFPC you in the FFPC you are uh you have to
87:20take a kicker, you have to take a defense. Couple people saying George Hani George Helani I took him in a couple of drafts here. I've actually
87:27combined him with Jadarian Price in a few drafts. sort of a anti-Zack Charbanet coming out earliest and I think it's a fun double tap in baseball
87:36right now especially 20 round best baseball to take Helani and Price and sort of hedge against Charbanet returning before Thanksgiving Jacob I
87:45mean when are you expecting Charbanet back? I know you were you were standing for him a little earlier.
87:50>> Yeah, I just think he's way better than people realize. Um he's been super efficient on a like fantasy point per
87:55touch basis. Um he's also shown an ability to be a workhorse. He's a great pass protector. He's great in short yardage situations. The team loves him.
88:02Um and he works his ass off and like might be back sooner than expected.
88:06Cyrus Allen. Um of course that's a person who's here in the chat. Um I like the James Conor pick too.
88:13>> I don't my guess is that they ease him back in and he's at full strength in the second half or something close to full
88:20strength in the second half and that's just enough to be annoying for the um Jarian Price drafters. Um, but I do
88:28think there's a there's a chance that he's if the offense is better than expected that he's, you know, somebody you can plug in as a touchdown based
88:34play as a flex late in the year. So, I actually do draft Sharbon some. I don't I haven't taken Helani anywhere. I think
88:40it's interesting that people gravitate towards him because even last year when he played it was basically just it was like um Laquent Allen for the Jaguars
88:48where it's like he's he's a pass protector basically um and it's a worse offense than the than the Jaguars potentially. Um I don't I don't really
88:59know. I mean I'm I'm a little bit nervous about Seattle. I told you we did that episode where we just took some
89:05teams off the draft board, took 10 of them off the dboard. And Seattle was one that I was considering taking off, as
89:09crazy as that sounds, because they scored a lot of points last year. But I think they could take a step backwards.
89:13I'm nervous about their offensive line.
89:16All of the volume goes to one player and you have to pay a huge price to get JSN.
89:22Um, and I think the rest of the the team is just kind of split up where you've got Cooper Cup doing his thing, Rashidah
89:27doing his thing, Tory Horton potentially playing a role, two tight ends that play, and you've got a backfield that might be compartmentalized among three
89:35different players. So, I just kind of avoid Seattle for the most part.
89:40>> Uh, question in the chat. This is actually a good way for us to promote something at Rotoire. Thoughts on quarterback running back stacks in
89:47general. Is it better to have a mobile quarterback or pocket passer with a bellcow? There was a great article just most recently written by John McKnney.
89:56You can read that for free over at rotowire.com. We did a baseball uh guide where you can get access to that. It's a
90:03usually like a like a 20some dollar package, but we're giving it away for free. You just need to add your email in
90:09there. But if you just put in best baseball uh stacking or anything like that, it's going to pop up into like
90:15Google or wherever you search. It's an excellent article in terms of reddraft for the correlation between pocket passer with a bellcow quarterback
90:26running back stacks. It's there's some argument towards it. I think that the passcatching running back would be more of the correlation play that I would
90:34look for as opposed to the uh bellcow like running quarter running uh running back with the quarterback. Your thoughts on correlation when it comes to
90:44quarterbacks and running backs, Jacob?
90:46Yeah, I mean in some instances I I like it. Um like Jared Goff and Gibbs obviously comes to mind. Like if you've
90:53got a quarterback who doesn't like to run a lot that's willing to check down or they even build stuff into the
90:57running back. Um and it's an offense you think could score a ton of points. Um, I in some instances will get Herbert and
91:04Amarin Hampton together where people take Lab and Cony earlier than I want or whatever and I so I'm not sure if I'm
91:10able to get a pass catcher, but I do end up getting a lot of Hampton early and I kind of like that where it's like I
91:15think this offs could score a ton and all of the touchdowns are probably going to come through these two for the most
91:20part. Um, so it's a not quite as intuitive as of a stack as like the quarterback pass catcher, but I think I
91:26mean obviously Joe Burrow, Chase Brown together, like you can get a lot of touchdowns from those two players and and most of the time that offense is
91:33going to be putting points on the board.
91:36>> So we're coming up to the end of the 18th round here. We see a quarterback cleanup in this round with Sam Darnold,
91:42Cam Ward, CJ Strad. We see David and Jooku go off the board. Uh Cyrus Allen, you mentioned Team Nine had a really
91:49good draft. Uh Cyrus Allen a riser right now in baseball uh and in reddraft people mixing him in. Jordan James went
91:56two picks after us. Um Olly Gordon we took where it's just a complete swing.
92:00It's a bet on Ollie Gordon being the cuff in in Miami. I think it's a team that really wants to run. Gordon I was
92:07enthusiastic about heading into 2025.
92:10Disappointed with what he was able to to deliver, but he was a hype guy at this time last year going way earlier. There
92:17was some fears with with Devon Achan that were really overblown in terms of his soreness and and his ability to play
92:23week one. So Gordon like steamed way up.
92:26He was like a 10th round pick at this time last year. Uh Jacob, and now we're starting to see the defenses go off the
92:32board. Is there a preferred defense for you? Have you started even break that down yet?
92:37>> No. Um, can you drop the defense and pick a running back up after this or do you have >> No, you have to hold the you have to
92:42roster a kicker and a and a defense um in FFPC. I think if you're drafting on Sleeper or ESPN or Yahoo, Ryan Heath
92:50always talks about this, the old don't draft one and take another shot on an upside running back or wide receiver and
92:57then add one last minute. I think that's a great way to play it. Um, but in these formats, they absolutely make you take
93:02it. Uh, we see Tyler Loop go. Uh, so we're starting to see a few kickers go off the board here. We can sort of take
93:10our pick of the litter when it comes to kickers at the 1912. Also, we got to talk about Brandon Aubrey. Brandon
93:17Aubrey goes in the 11th round. I've talked about this with with Scott Barrett. He's sort of the Josh Allen of kickers. Cam Dicker goes right after
93:24him, which almost never happens. Cam Dicker goes rounds ahead of ADP in this draft, but usually it's Brandon Aubrey and then no kicker for like several
93:32rounds. Your thoughts on that? uh like an edge pick Aubrey and in the NFL today the kickers who can kick the very deep
93:40field goals also have an edge be especially in FPC you get the uh six points for a 60 yard Bates makes sense here uh good offense
93:51indoor games >> want to take him >> hell yeah I want to take Jake Bates >> I know that's your I told Scott last
93:57year Scott does the and I'm drafting with Scott Barrett we're drafting an FFPC main event over on the Fantasy Points YouTube channel tomorrow night.
94:05Go check that one out. Scott and I, we've won an FFPC main event for like two straight years. I think the three
94:11years ago, we had like a number two finish, but we've won not the overall, not life-changing money, but we've won a
94:18nice chunk uh back-to-back years winning FFPC leagues. So, we'll look to run it back this year tomorrow night. We don't know what pick we are at. Um let's take
94:27Jake Bates. And then defensewise, >> I'm looking at either Detroit playing against New Orleans in week one.
94:35>> I worry about that secondary with Detroit, >> too. Yeah. But I think they could get a lot of pressure on Chuck in that game.
94:40That's a team that's going to pass a lot and might have to pass a lot playing from behind against Detroit and you
94:44could get turnovers and sacks. The other option for me would be the Chiefs playing uh against the Broncos in week one. Similar type of setup. I think
94:52>> I don't mind Kansas City. I think Kansas City's interesting. None of them are none of these are great options. Here's
94:58one other option, and I don't think they're a great defensive target this year by any means, but they do have a
95:03free look with San Francisco. Um, and I'm I'm interested in in Green Bay a little bit. Your thoughts on those defenses?
95:11>> I would lean towards San Fran. I think that that makes sense, too.
95:14>> I think only because of the free the free look the free looks. I like Green Bay, though, is kind of nice, though.
95:24>> Let's take San Francisco. Get the free look. I don't really know what you're >> So the free so the free look being we
95:30get San Francisco defense if the Rams end up smoking them or if they have a run out where they it's a lowscoring
95:37game but we don't get any defensive points let's say we get five points or something from them then we just cut
95:43them and pick up another streamer on the waiver wire. So that's the free look for FFPC. Uh if you're playing an FFPC, it's
95:51a great way to play it where, for instance, if Terrence Ferguson scores two touchdowns and we can go put him in
96:00our lineup too, Jacob. It works that way as well.
96:04>> Little free look, little free look advice. Okay, so we're going to review our team and we'll have Jacob sort of
96:10give his thoughts and then we're going to wrap it up. Again, if you want to play against Jacob and I and FFPC, use
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96:52over at Rotoire Live YouTube. And look for Tyler to join me on one of these shows soon. Really excited to work with
96:58Tyler. I think he's a rising star in fantasy. Uh just an awesome awesome get for us. So Jacob, we go Amarian Hampton
97:05Ashton Genty. Any thoughts on that run out or just move on?
97:09>> I like it a I think there's massive upside. I think either one of those guys could be like a top five pick next year.
97:14>> That's a great way of looking at it.
97:15Like those guys could both be top five picks next year. And that's probably the best run out for us is Hampton and Genty
97:21are going where Gibbs and Bejian are going next year. Probably means we won some money with this team. Jaylen Wadd, Tyler Warren. Any regrets on the Warren
97:29pick when you look at how the board ran out. Yeah. So, if I would have known for sure that I could go craft Leaporta at
97:37the five six turn, I probably would have passed on on Warren and I would have taken I think Lad Mccon would be my pick
97:43or potentially T. Higgins. Um, so that would have been tough though because I know you like Garrett Wilson a lot. So,
97:48it would have been a pick we might have regretted either way because no one knows what to do with these receivers.
97:53Maybe Luther Burton outscores all of them, you know. So, I'm pretty happy just getting Warren here and locking him in. Also, we were able to potentially
98:00get Josh Downs later, too. Um, so like the run out that I would have dreamed up kind of did play out. Um, so, you know,
98:07maybe it would have been better to go T.
98:08Higgins or something. There's a lot of upside there, but I'm I'm intrigued by the Warren Leaporta pairing.
98:12>> Yeah, I don't think that the Warren's going to hurt us. I think Warren we're going to end up liking that pick. I
98:16think it's going to be a consistent source of of tight end premium PPR value. And I think that he is probably
98:22even with Josh DS being a really strong pick right now, Warren would still be like my bet to lead the team in targets.
98:28We'll see. Downs and him will be really really close, but Warren was good last year. And if you take out the the stats
98:34from when Philip Rivers started, Warren looked even better. So I think he could take a big step forward this year.
98:41Watson Leaporta, I love that run out at the 56 turn. We Watson was such a big pick for us because if if Watson was
98:48sniped, let's say that somebody took him and he went like one pick before, then we would have been kind of stuck. We
98:55probably would have taken Parker Washington with Leaporta, which is less dangerous in my opinion. Then the Daniels White correlation along with
99:04Diggs, that ran out really well for us, didn't it?
99:07>> Yeah, I think so. I'm pretty intrigued to see how this is going to play out. I mean, if Washington hits the top of
99:11their range of outcomes, this team could score so many points, dude.
99:15>> So, Casey Conpsion, you made the long form take. If you want to hear Jacob's long form bull take on Casey Conpsion,
99:22look at our most recent podcast. If you're listening on the podcast feed or if you're watching on YouTube, the most recent Jacob Gibbs uh show, he talked
99:29about the bullc case for Casey Conpsion.
99:31Let's go like the two sentence version or you know the the 30 secondond version. How does Casey Conpion get there this year?
99:38>> I think he's almost as good as Luther Bird with a ball in his hands. I think he's the type of player that you can
99:42just scheme things to and I think Cleveland is going to have to potentially be passing the ball a ton. I know they would like to run but they
99:48might have to pass a ton if they're playing from behind. So you could see Conpsion get a lot of manufactured touches and potentially create some
99:54explosive plays on his own.
99:56>> Love the Diggs pick especially how it worked out for us. Dejon Stribbling really really fun one for us. Chris Rodriguez we talked about before. Uh
100:04Ferguson we went on at length. The one guy that we didn't get really get your thoughts on was dribbling. Stribbling at
100:091112 again felt like a great value to me.
100:12>> Yeah man, that's I I like this team a I'm looking at it and I'm like, we have like 10 players who are in year one or
100:18year two. And so in a format where you're really focused on trying to get a lot of upside at the end of the season
100:24specifically, um, if I'm understanding how this works, it's your cumulative points across weeks 15 through 17 and then you add your seasonl long average
100:34to that.
100:35>> Well, no. So you start out if you get to the let's say we get to the promised land where you win this league, you
100:39finish second or you win the little playoff. Um you there's multiple ways to get there. It's you can be the team with
100:46the best record, you can be the the team with uh the most points and again top top two get in and then there so top two
100:54get in of of weeks uh one through uh 14 >> and then you get to the playoff run or excuse me 1 through 13 and then the
101:02playoff run. [snorts] Sorry, I'm misspeaking here. I've done a million of these. But basically you have multiple ways to get there. If you get to the
101:09weeks 15 through 17 playoff run where you're competing for the massive money, your your score for the season counts and then it just gets cumulatively
101:19added. So your teams that have been one overall in the regular season doesn't really mean a whole lot. It does mean
101:27something but >> you score 400 points across the three playoff weeks and then you averaged 120 points. Is your number 520?
101:38Yes, it's cumulative. Um, so but but yeah, 120 is not getting you there. Not 120 is not getting you there. We got to
101:44we got to aim way higher. We want to average 150 plus points per game in this format.
101:48>> Yeah. So we've got um scribbling.
101:51Stribbling is fun. You talked about Cro, you talked about Ferguson. We talked about McMillan. You made the bullcase for Cooper Boston. Make your little
101:59Malik Willis uh uh stand here. Like Malik Willis, how good could his season be? Well, we really have no idea, but at
102:06this price, it's such an easy click. Um, because he's on a per game, per drop back, per opportunity basis, per rush,
102:14he looks like one of the best, if not the best rushing quarterbacks in the NFL, and that tracks dating back to
102:20college as well. I watched every snap that he took in Green Bay. Um, and I watched all his Tennessee snaps, too.
102:27Um, over the years, and he's made clear progression as he's gone along.
102:31Obviously, the play caller and designer and everything that was happening at Green Bay helped to um put him in such a
102:36good infrastructure there, and we don't know if it's going to be like that in Miami. But if this guy's out there
102:41playing, I think the rushing alone is going to be enough for him to be like a top 15 quarterback. And if you have to
102:46plug him in, if Jaden Daniels gets hurt, then you can trust that you've got a floor of at least like 12ish points if
102:52he just has the minimum like six points as a passer, six points as a rusher, you know? But there's upside for a lot more
103:00I think because he actually can dude it's there's only a handful of these plays 10 15 plays but like on drop backs
103:08where it was just a straight drop back you have to read out the defense it's not even play action or anything it's
103:12like third and 14 third and 19 you have to just actually make a real quarterback play you see glimpses of him in Green
103:17Bay throwing with anticipation throwing with accuracy and timing and touch and it's like we don't know how this is going to extrapolate. we've barely seen
103:25him play even in college, you know, where he was dropping back very often.
103:29But if it does, then it's potentially like a top eight type of fantasy quarterback that you got for free. Um, I
103:37don't feel super confident in his weapons there, but I think that there's some path to him potentially scoring points um in a big way if the offense is
103:47just fine. And he's got talented offensive linemen. I think they could build out an interesting run game there.
103:52Um, and then he's got some guys who can create after the catch. Obviously, Achan Malik Washington is somebody who can create after the catch as well. And then
104:00I'm actually irrationally high on Chris Bell, the rookie that they drafted, and think he's somebody who could add to the offense, add an explosive element down
104:07the stretch. Um, so you can kind of tell yourself a story where it's like this could work if he stays healthy and is in
104:13there all year.
104:15Yeah, it's an interesting pick and I think as a QB2, especially in a in a four-point passing touchdown format like this, it makes some sense. Ali Gordon is
104:23is simply a contingent upside bet behind our guy Devon Chan.
104:28>> I actually think there's a chance that he has a role in week one. They >> they used him in short yardage
104:33situations. Like they actually had a role for him last year. Um, and there were times where he was coming in and
104:39getting like a significant playing time and even taking away some of those short yardage plays from Devon Achan. Um, there was all the the steam on him last
104:47year going into the year for a reason.
104:48He looked really good in the preseason.
104:49And he's a guy who we've seen operate in a three down role in the past. Like in college, this guy before his offense and
104:56his team completely fell apart and lost 10 straight games in his final season.
105:00The year before that, he was expected to be like a top three running back in his draft class. So the talent is there for
105:06him to play on all three downs if something were to happen to Han. And I also think he just offers a nice
105:10complent to Han. And because he has the three down skill set where he can pass protect and he can do the shortarded
105:15stuff that gives you the creativity if you want. I don't know if I'm trusting Bobby Slow to do this or whatever, but
105:22you can split a Chan out more and more out wide and stuff like that. This is the classic fantasy football dream where
105:28the nerds think that you're going to have two running backs on the field at the same time and it almost never
105:31happens. But they could do that, right?
105:33like on a team with no receivers, play a chain at receiver. He's been awesome.
105:36Anytime he's been able to go out and play receiver, you see him routing people up, winning on contest catches down the field and stuff. He's such a
105:43freaking talented guy. And Gordon, I think, could allow them to do more and more of that because you can trust him
105:48in the back field, even if he's not some super explosive play threat or anything.
105:52>> Yeah, really interesting one there. Jake Bates, uh, shout out to our guy Scott Barrett. Uh, Jake Bates was my Exodia
105:57kicker last year. I know Scott Scott never reveals an Exodia kicker, but Jake Bates was my guy last year. you get all
106:03these indoor games with him. He's also a very good kicker. Uh easy click and we don't have any other Lions besides
106:08Leaporta. So, you know, that sort of level of correlation is fine. Um I I don't necessarily love like having a kicker with like a quarterback, but a
106:17kicker with a tight end is perfectly fine. And then San Francisco defense, not a big like stat stamp of approval on
106:24San Francisco. It's just simply a let's have an ugly opening game where Terrence Ferguson catches two touchdowns, no other Rams score anything. uh and San
106:32Francisco wins 17 to 14 Jacob and they get a pick six with one of them, then we'll we'll roll with them. And if not,
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