0:00breaking down highlevel fantasy draft strategy and flag plant players with NFC Hall of Famer Chris Vicaro. Chris, one of your guys this year is Aman Ross St.
0:11Brown. Could we be looking at a Darkhorse wide receiver one overall season for St. Brown? We know we've got some problems in the secondary in
0:19Detroit. St. Brown's coming off of a careerhigh in terms of targets. And now you've got the Sam Laaporta uh dealing with a couple of injuries here. nothing
0:28longterm, but just opens up even more of a clear alpha wide receiver one role for Aman Raw.
0:35>> Absolutely, Theo. Uh I think he has if there's going to be someone that challenges Jamar uh for wide receiver one this year, uh I think it could be
0:43Aman Rah. Uh you factor in what, like you said, you're dealing with a team that has a a below average defense to
0:50put it nicely. Uh, and what we're looking for in fantasy here is we're looking for the the shootout games, the back and forth games, the up and down
0:58the fields here. When you compare him with Puka and JSN, listen, they're both solid. I I I don't want to knock Puka or
1:06make this seem like I'm knocking Puka or JSN, but these are teams with two elite defenses. You don't see uh, you know,
1:13maybe an avenue for Puka and JSN to be in weekly 38 28 games like that. A Manra has the opportunity. He's the focal
1:21point of the passing game here. Plays indoors. Um, again, a defense that is uh on shaky ground and a division that you
1:30could see a lot of games breaking out uh with the Vikings, the Bears, the Packers, all defenses that are below average. Um, and you could see a lot of
1:39highscoring games here. Add in the Sam Laapora issue now and we don't know if Sam Leaporta is going to be there from
1:45the start and you got a really condensed offense here with Aman Rah and J Mo uh in the pass game here. I don't see how
1:52Aman Ra doesn't smash on a weekly basis.
1:55>> Yeah, he's just so locked in. It's also been three straight years of double digit touchdown catches and he gets all
2:02those end zone targets. Like he's continually getting end zone targets, continually getting like hyper utilized in the red zone. There's there's like
2:10not a whole lot to like. If anything, it's like Aman Ross St. Brown's sort of the boring pick because he's been so
2:16good for so long. And there was so many years where he was going behind CD Lamb, behind Justin Jefferson. And it's just
2:24like he keeps trending up. Those other guys now go behind him. It's it's been a just a complete takeover by Aman Raw.
2:31And then >> don't we want to be safe? Yeah. Yeah.
2:33And Thea, don't we want to be kind of safe in that first round here when we're picking in the middle there and you you
2:38you know, Puka's got a little bit of a head case now. Uh he's got a groin issue. He hasn't practiced in weeks. You
2:44know, you factor in you got JSN who's got the offensive coordinator change. Um and you look at a Monrod and it's like
2:52you really can't find any warts here. So when you're in that four through six spot, it's a nice comfortable click to
2:59pick uh to click on a Monra.
3:01>> Yeah. and also just sort of the way things are sort of shaking out uh NFC wise uh where you play the the majority
3:09of of your of your fantasy football competitions. You get access if you want to at a running back inside of round
3:16two. So you can start off with that high level wide receiver and then it keeps your sort of flexibility in round two.
3:23But one other player sort of going inside of round two that we're seeing trending up and up and up ever since the
3:28Jordan Tyson injury, >> we're talking flag planes today. One guy who's been sort of my flag plant has been Chris Alave and I was really happy
3:35to see that you had him listed as one of your guys as well. Last year over 150 targets, over 100 catches. We expect
3:43this Saints offense to take a big step forward and now with no Tyson it feels like a Lav's role is so solid on a
3:51weekly basis. Another guy who's a sort of a dark horse to I think lead the NFL in targets this year.
3:57>> Yeah, we saw it last year at the end of the year. he was just lighting up the the scoreboard. Um, you know, I think
4:03there's a case to be made, Theo, after AJ Brown comes off the board at that turn. You know, you got Lamb, you got
4:09Jefferson that kind of living right there at the end of the first and then AJ at the turn. And then there's, you
4:15know, I feel like in drafters heads, it's like, all right, what are we going to do with the wide receiver position
4:21here? We start moving guys up here. Uh, you know, Drake London is usually a name that comes up off off the board next,
4:28but what we're seeing in drafts now, Theo, on a nightly basis this last week is it's becoming all green at the turn.
4:34Uh, the running back position is taking over that like 10 through 16 round range uh pick range there. I think there's a
4:42case to be made for a to be that name uh that next wide receiver off the board when that second round starts after AJ
4:50Brown comes off the board. you're dealing with London. Some people are loving neighbors moving up the board.
4:55Um, you know, uh, there's a lot of other names here, but I think a lav could be comfortably looked at, uh, right there.
5:04Early second round.
5:07>> Yeah, I think a lav is completely completely locked in. And and Chris, we're recording this on Wednesday. uh you got a pretty big draft on Friday and
5:16I you've you've had some serious skin in the game for for years and years and years. Uh you know, shout out to the
5:22IRS. We're not going to ever reveal anybody's true number on this show, >> but it's going to be hard to get away
5:27from these guys this year because uh big entry fee draft on Friday night. Uh why don't you talk about that that league,
5:35the NFC Legacy League.
5:38>> Theo, I'm pumped for this one, man. How can you not be if you do what we do, right, and play in these high stakes
5:43leagues? Well, they pretty much created the ultimate highstakes league. Uh this Friday night at Circa in Vegas, uh 100k
5:53entry, uh 12man league PPR, NFC rules, um you know, it's it's the big one, Theo. You win this and and your whole
6:03year is uh is is made. You know, >> you can go over you can go over every other every prime time. You just win
6:08this one and you're you're you're all good.
6:10>> I don't care how many leagues you're in.
6:12If you hit this one, um the you know, you win 600K uh to the winner, which is crazy. Um I'm really looking forward to it. It is, you
6:22know, you got a lot of heavy hitters in this league. You got Nelson and Hubard and and Steve Stevie G uh as one team.
6:30You got Chad Schroeder and Mike Santos, some of the big names, the big whales in this industry. Uh it's going to be
6:36interesting, Theo, because I think a lot of strategy goes into this uh type of draft. You know, there's a lot of people
6:43in this draft that aren't NF uh NFC drafters, right? So, maybe they don't know the flow of how drafts go. The
6:51maybe the wide receiver heavy build. I know a couple guys are FF um PC drafters. Maybe, you know, they're not familiar with the style. Then we're
7:00bidding on um we're bidding on with fab uh money uh our draft spots. So that's a whole strategy before you even enter the
7:10draft. You know, where do you want to set up your your spot? Who do you want to put your position yourself in front
7:16of behind? Um a lot of stuff goes into this, Theo, but I am telling you I I am pumped for it. Um and uh Friday can't
7:25get here soon enough. Yeah, it's I I'm doing a a $2,500 entry New York super draft with Chris and I also do another
7:33$2500 Well, not not splitting a team, actually split that one with Nelson. We go headto-head with Chris and then your podcast partner Dan Williamson who I
7:40split a team with him and we do a $2,500 entry uh super. So, just put that into perspective. It's like 40 times that
7:48entry fee for the Legacy League. Really a fun one and I'm going to cover it on this podcast. I'll do something because
7:54it's it's such a big draft that I want to sort of get it out there to my audience and sort of go over some of the
7:59picks and the strategies that different drafters execute. You bring up those drafters who are not necessarily high volume guys. I think an entry fee like
8:07this size is going to attract people who are gamblers and that sort of thing, especially when you put it in Las Vegas.
8:14Um, so you never know what you're going to get. And I know there's some some years where, >> you know, we draft against each other
8:20and it's sort of the usual suspects where you recognize the names in the room. You sort of get into a cadence in
8:25the flow. This could be a wild draft, Chris, because people, I think, are going to go get their guys and then
8:31you've got these people who they don't care necessarily about the same ADP that other people are seeing, and they don't necessarily uh know what you and Chad
8:40and Nelson and Dave Hubard have been doing because they haven't been drafting against you guys. So, it could be a net
8:45benefit for you. It could also just be a wild one. So, it's going to be a really fun board uh to review. I'll try to do
8:51that sometime this weekend. You're drafting a ton, though. And let's stay at the wide receiver position. A player that you're into, and we had like an
9:00injury scare, but now everything's looking really good. And we've got sort of a a a real parallels where everything's looking really good for
9:09Josh DS and everything's really looking shaky and questionable when it comes to Alec Pierce. There was a video that leaked this week where guys limping
9:18around does not look right. Um it's it's kind of hard to describe the gate unless you actually watch the video, but
9:25doesn't look like a guy who can get out there and sprint at a high level and he's not even close in if this video is
9:31any indication. DS could be in store for a career year and sort of gives you a little bit about like that discount
9:38Parker Washington sort of where he's going in drafts.
9:42>> Well, first off, I I've believed in the talent of DS uh right off the bat um for the last couple years. It just hasn't
9:49come together. Okay, now you come into this season, Pitman's gone. Okay, Theo, one of the things that shocked me the most so far in draft season is how
9:59people keep clicking on Alec Pierce. I don't know if it in in the 80s. You know, I'm waiting for this guy to fall
10:05to where I believe he should be on the board, and that's past pick 100.
10:09Everybody's just clicking on this Alec Pierce like I I know what he did last year. Uh it's a bet on him being there
10:16week one. this guy didn't have an off season, you know, when he's dealing with this issue and having surgery, he's got
10:22to get ramped up again. I don't see how I I know that the reports now are, oh, he's going to maybe return back to
10:28practice. That doesn't mean anything. He still has to ramp back up. He's he's hasn't been in his same regimen all spring and summer getting ready for the
10:37rigors of the NFL season. He's going to be lagging too far behind. To me, there's no way this offense in the pass
10:44game isn't centered around Ty Tyler Warren and Josh DS at least for the first half of the season. And when you
10:52could click on Josh DS in that sixth, seventh round range right now where you're seeing an actual little bit of a
10:58dip on Josh DS um in the last couple weeks, maybe because a of the the injury uh getting nicked up a little bit to him
11:07personally, but also the the talk of Alec Pierce coming back early. Um when you factor all that in, you're getting about a little half a round extra round
11:18now on Josh DS. Josh DS could be my wide receiver for any day of the week uh on all my teams this year and I've been
11:26doing it regularly.
11:28>> Yeah, I like that a lot. And again, NFC is a start three wide receiver with a flex and a lot of times people are
11:35putting a wide receiver in that flex spot. uh maybe maybe less so often that this year than than others Chris where
11:41where people are sort of running back centric but if you could get a run out where you get Josh DS and he's your wide
11:46receiver four and you end up with a top 24 season out of him that's a significant edge and there's also been a
11:53lot of um really it's the the coaching staff as well as the beat reporters talking about how Josh DS is going to be
11:59used in two wide receiver sets which was a real knock to him. I know in my rankings over at Rotoire, which you can
12:05get access to using the code Theo35, get 35% off. I've moved Alec Pierce like way lower than ADP. I I I mean, he's to me a
12:16a little bit of ahead of like Jordan Tyson, but you're looking at a a really potential annoying long-term injury. And then it's the ramp up period where his
12:26game is based on athleticism and speed and that high yards per reception uh total which he's been so dominant with.
12:33Pierce was also a guy that we were I mean in some NFC leagues and FFPC leagues, he was a waiverwire pickup last
12:39year. It's not like he's some established star. So completely with you on that one. Let's >> I also like what you just said, Theo.
12:45Sorry not to jump in. I actually like what you said with the Parker Washington comp. Uh, I I could look at Josh DS as a
12:52as a, you know, a knockoff three round.
12:55Um, you know, you get an extra three rounds on Josh Downs as a a Parker Washington clone for the Colts offense.
13:04So, uh, I like that comp a lot.
13:06>> Yeah, we can just keep going down the list and keep finding those PPR scam guys until until we run out of them,
13:11Chris. And we will we will run out of them. Um, let's let's pivot off of some of the flag plans. I want to talk a
13:16little bit of draft strategy because I mentioned the running back running back.
13:20It's been you've got so many analysts out there and then there's so many highstakes players that I've been seeing this year that are starting their drafts
13:29out running back running back. I just recorded with Darren Armani. Uh Darren Armani runs Fantasy Mojo. uh does so much stuff that's great in terms of ADP,
13:38in terms of high stakes, >> but he was talking about how this year is really it's like the lowest we've ever seen with these zero RB starts. And
13:47his he was talking about uh FFPC, but something like 5% of main event teams right now are choosing to start out
13:54their drafts with their first running back off the board in round five. You notably, Chris, you won uh the prime time using a zero RB strategy. So Chris
14:04took down and you were really like you don't get credit for this Chris there's always like guys sort of like a little
14:09bit and you've done content before but you're definitely a player first but I believe you were the first highstakes manager to take down a major contest
14:18using a quote unquote zero RB strategy back in the day.
14:22>> Where are you at with this strategy? Is it even obtainable this year the way running backs are getting pulled up? And
14:28what has been sort of like your go-to structural strategy with your own drafts this year? Or are you open-minded to different builds?
14:36>> Definitely open-minded to different builds. Uh and you're seeing it all. I think that's the great uh I think that's the interesting uh part of being in all
14:43these drafts on a nightly basis this year, Theo, is you see down the board, you know, the guys that are in that 345
14:49slot that start off with Jamar and JSN and Puka. A lot of these guys are hitting four yellow stickers in a row,
14:56right? They're hitting the four wide receivers. There's good value at running back in this fourth, fifth, sixth round range uh right now at the running back
15:04position. So, you could come back to it after these three or four wide receiver starts. Uh to me, this year, it's not my
15:12go-to strategy at all. Um I like getting um you know, a robust running back strategy. You know, the one bellcow. Um
15:21I think there's great value. I think there's a significant dip off after the first two rounds at running back when you can get those click on uh one of
15:30those elite top 12 guys ending with usually Derek Henry who is I think going to be living in the end of the second
15:37round now u when you can get one of those bellcows it makes it opens up the board for you no matter what spot you're
15:44in um you know to you can if you get some wide receiver value to keep coming you could keep going uh wide receiver.
15:53After that, you could get your third, fourth wide receiver in rounds four and five and then come back and get a second
15:59rate running back to be your RB2 in the sixth round or the seventh round in drafts right now. Um I see a lot of
16:07people going running back running back out of the back end and I can't blame them. The names are are tremendous.
16:12These are Bellcows, guys that are going to touch the ball 20 times a game, guys that are doing it both in the rushing
16:18game and receiving game. Uh the problem I see with that Theo is and I'll just speak for NFC drafts because that's my,
16:26you know, home base is, you know, you're in that 8 to 12 spot. You start off with the running back running back and you're
16:33in a golden spot uh this year for a wide receiver in round three, right? when you start off and you're in that, you know,
16:40overall pick 25 to 30 range in the in the third round to the middle of the third, you're getting a an animal at
16:48wide receiver, a stud wide receiver uh one uh to start it off with, but the the market starts shutting down a little
16:57bit, starts uh you know, drying up a little bit when you get to the end of the fourth round and into the fifth
17:03round at the wide receiver position. And for me, I don't like to see my wide receiver two not be a big dog. Uh, never
17:11mind a wide receiver three. So, it's tough for me to go running back running back and then try and hope I get lucky
17:18in a draft room where nowadays there's really not that many soft rooms to get a solid wide receiver two and three late
17:26in the fourth round and early in the fifth round. So, one running back is good enough for me, Theo, whether it's
17:32at the end of the first or early in the second. And then if somebody falls in those middle rounds three, four, five,
17:40that I like at the running back position, I'll click on them as my RB2.
17:44So, um, I hope that answers that question.
17:47>> Yeah, for sure. And I think you really make a good argument. And some people listening to this, you know, if you play
17:52in a Sleeper or Yahoo or an ESPN or even an FFPC, it's very different to think about having picks number 12, 13, and
18:00then 36, 37, just a routine snake. But NFC, you've got the third round reversal. So 12, 13, and then like you
18:09said, 25. Then you I mean, you could be sitting there just dying inside watching the wide receiver run between picks 25
18:17and 48. And it feels like a lot of the guys that we were getting earlier in the summer at 48, 49, once there gets to be
18:24a little steam and momentum, those guys are going to be way off the board. So then you feel like you're having to pull
18:29up and sort of settle for the wide receivers left as opposed to going and getting your guy. On the flip side,
18:364849, if you want to go wide receiver at like 12 or 13, then get one at 25. I know I'm going to get access to a
18:44running back at 4849 there 100% of the time. Guys like DeAndre Swift, really appealing names are falling into that range.
18:51>> So it's it's a really interesting strategy. One one question I'd have for you and I think this is a a really a
18:56philosophical conversation for a lot of players with your success level. Let's you're in a herb build. You draft let's say Chase Brown at the beginning of the
19:06of the second round or let's say you started your draft out with Aman Raw at the at the 105 and then you ended up
19:12with Omari and Hampton in round two.
19:14>> Yeah.
19:14>> How likely are you in a hero RB build to prioritize having your own handcuff running back? You see some of these guys
19:22coming out and saying I never handcuff.
19:25Handcuffing is low EV. Then you got other guys coming out there and and first of all the guys who say I never
19:30handcuff I never hear like Chad Schroeder Nelson Susa Ab bagoba make some like big statement like that. It's usually an analyst but there's guys
19:38saying never handcuff your own running back because Chris I I'd rather take some other upshot guy. Maybe I'm going to hit on somebody else's handcuff in
19:46like round 14. like how important is it to you to structure your draft with your own handcuff? Is that something you
19:52routinely do in here builds?
19:55>> Uh yeah, listen, you know, I I definitely do. Um I have no problem. I I'm not one of those guys that shies
20:02away from handcuffing your own running back. uh your your bellcow. Uh if I can do it, you know, if I draft a Bree Hall
20:09in the third or fourth round and there's and I'm getting through the draft and you know, uh there's not somebody that I
20:17really want to click on hardcore um you know, at my wide receiver position or I'm good at everything else and I need
20:24some running back depth. Yeah, I'm clicking on Brilen Allen. No doubt about it. um you know when he could sit there
20:29on my bench as my running back four or five and I you know I don't have my team blown up if Hall goes down um I'll do
20:38that all the time. Absolutely. I am inclined though to you know once I have my team filled out Theo and you're
20:45through like 12 rounds and you have everything covered you know I'm a guy that likes to build that running back depth B on my bench. you know, I start
20:53going in for the handcuffs and you'll see me go three, four green stickers in a row, um, with all the, you know, the
21:00Ray Davis types. Um, just because you give yourself on the bench three or four shots where this is a violent game
21:08football and you see guys not only not just go down for the year, but hey, oh, pull the hamstring, he's out two or
21:14three weeks. Those weeks are valuable when you could stick a Ray Davis in there or any handcuff for two or three
21:21weeks and you could get your your RB2. A lot of times we build our teams where the weaker position we're loaded at
21:27receiver. We have a good elite tight end, elite quarterback. Our RB2 spot is a little uh you know shaky. You know,
21:34maybe your RB2 is a Jaylen Warren or a JK Dobbins. Well, now if you can bring in a Ray Davis who's going to get uh,
21:41you know, 15 20 carries in a big offense for two or three weeks and and not have any drop off, you know, it's big. It
21:48completes your whole team for that time span. And never mind like, you know, an injury for the whole season. Now you
21:56cash in on one of those lotto tickets that are sitting on your bench in rounds 13 through 18. So, uh, I mix it up. I do
22:02it all different types of ways. I like to come out of my draft with at least seven running backs on my roster.
22:08>> Yeah, seven running backs. And again, NFC is a 20 20 round 20 roster spot format. I'm with you. Getting that
22:14running back depth. It's also like those handcuff running backs when you have them on your roster. They might be zeros, but there's never any question
22:22mark about when you have to start them.
22:24It's an injury. It's an opportunity.
22:26They go right in your lineup. And also those guys are all like if James Cook were were to go down for the season
22:32besides ruining like a whole month for me like I'd be dead inside. Uh Ray Davis would be a 45 50% waiverwire ad if he's
22:41sitting on their on the waiverwire. And even if it was a 3-week absence, he'd still be a 30% ad, maybe a 35% ad
22:49because people are desperate for those plug-and-play running backs. So really really like that.
22:54>> Let's talk about one wide receiver. It's sort of a segue to one of your running back flag plants, but one wide receiver
22:59you didn't mention that I've been really coming around on and I sort of keep moving him up in my rankings, Garrett
23:05Wilson of the Jets. We just had Frank Reich coming out and calling Garrett Wilson and Bree Hall both bellcows. He talked about how he's got all these
23:13starting depth, but he's got certain guys are different than others. Goes Bree Hall's a bellcow, Garrett Wilson's a bellcow. I'm all about coaches calling
23:20wide receivers bellcows, but Wilson was running so pure to start last year.
23:25We've seen these big target totals, these big target share seasons for him, and it feels like this could be like a
23:31post hype sleeper Wilson year. Quick thoughts on Garrett Wilson. Chris, we're going to leave a little bit in the tank here. I know you got a $100,000 draft,
23:38but I'm going to pick your brain on one guy that I'm into and see your thoughts on him.
23:42>> No, don't mess this up, Frank. Right. I mean, that's what we're that's what we're looking at here for this Jets
23:47season, right? He comes out today and he and he calls Garrett Wilson and Bree Hall his bellcows. Uh, yeah. No kidding.
23:54you know, like this is what we wanted to hear. Uh, Theo, I think they're both a little mispriced. You know, I think you
24:01can make a case for Garrett Wilson being an end of round two wide receiver. I think you can make a case for Bruce Hall
24:06being a third round running back. Uh, you know what it is in this industry and in regular football, it's the Jets,
24:13right? So, everybody has to, you know, spray the the the smell uh for the Jets when we talk about them. You know, you
24:20hear it all the time on shows. As soon as you talk about Hall of Wilson, you get the negative, ah, but it's the Jets.
24:26Something's going to go wrong. This and that. Listen, you got to, you know, I don't, I'm in the camp of not knocking
24:32Gino. Okay, Gino is a um, you know, a veteran quarterback. Knows what he's doing out there. Does he have all world
24:39talent? No. But just like a Jacobe Brassette last year, he could come in and run an offense. And what do we want
24:46from our wide receivers like a Garrett Wilson is just get me the ball. just know who your guy is that you need to
24:52feed and who your main guy is and sit back there in the shotgun and pepper him all week all day long. And I think
25:00Gino's smart enough as a veteran quarterback to know that's where his his bread is buttered. And Garrett Wilson's going to eat this year. He's going to
25:08have uh you know a lot of double-digit target games in this um offense. And it's another defense that is subpar and
25:17you could see this team playing catch-up. And when you're playing catchup, Garrett Wilson's gonna have a lot of those empty catch uh you know, a
25:24lot of those games where you look up at the box score, the Jets lose maybe 31 to 17, but Garrett Wilson's 9 for 125 and a
25:33touchdown. And that's good enough for fantasy for me.
25:37>> Yeah, know I'm with you. And we don't need Gino to be fantasy relevant. We just need him to support guys and run a
25:42normal offense. You think about like the some of the quarterbacks that that Garrett Wilson has had to deal with. Uh it's been tough and we talk about
25:50getting guys who we know are supremely talented. Garrett Wilson obviously uh offensive rookie of the year was a first round high first round pick for the
25:57Jets. G they gave him a ton of money and we've drafted him early. There was NFC drafts. I remember heading into year two
26:05he was going as like a late first round pick. Now you're getting him at at an affordable price tag. In FFPC sometimes
26:12you'd get them in the fourth round right now. I feel like that's almost an autoclick. And then we mentioned Bree Hall and the first show that I dropped
26:19here when I when I took over uh at Rotoire was a Darkhorse League winners uh video/podcast and the running back there was was Bree
26:28Hall and we're just coming back full circle here. Bree Hall you mentioned sort of being underrated. Bruce Hall was another guy that we were drafting him at
26:35one point as like a top five pick in these drafts. Now he's just sort of sitting there. He's going to have to get
26:42the work as a receiver. How confident are you that he can bounce back and get to maybe those numbers that we saw? Not
26:492023. We don't need 70 plus, but we do need we need 50. We need 55 catches this year.
26:55>> And I think that's going to happen. And I think it's twofolded here with Bree Hall so far. I think he was going to
27:00start getting steamed up. He was starting to move into where you saw drafters taking him late in the third round a couple weeks ago. Uh then what
27:09happens? He gets hurt in practice, right, Theo? So now the price isn't going to keep going up. is only going to
27:14come back now because people aren't seeing him hearing the the the blurbs each day. Oh my god, Bree Hall do dominating practice. He's on the shelf
27:22for a couple weeks, but it looks like we're in the clear here where Bree Hall is going to be okay and he's going to be
27:27in the lineup week one. I think what's going to happen with Hall is he's going to be there the first day of practice
27:33leading into week one. They're resting him down. They know he's got a lot on his plate. Um, also mix in the fact
27:39that, you know, Brilen Allen breaks off that 30-yard touchdown run in that first preseason game and now everybody starts jumping back in on the Brilen Allen. Oh
27:47my god, he's going to be in a, you know, Hall's going to be in a 6040 split with Brillin Allen this year. Um, we know
27:54what Brilen Allen is. Okay, to me, Bree Hall is a complete back. He's been on some crappy teams the last couple years.
28:00He's flashed. I think uh you know he's there's that stat where I don't know how many 15 plus yard runs he had last year.
28:08Even running behind a subpar offensive line. The offensive line is upgraded this year. I like what they're doing on their offensive line. They keep
28:17investing in it. He's going to be able to run behind that line and we know what he can do in the pass game. Uh to me he
28:27he's a a really good foundational back if you start off wide receiver heavy in your drafts when he's there in the
28:34fourth round. I cashed in um uh Theo the last couple prime times that I did. I got him 47th overall and 45th overall uh
28:43in those drafts in the fourth round. And like I said, I think when you start off with three monsters at the wide receiver
28:49position and your running back room can start off with a fourth round Bree Hall, uh, I think you're in really good shape.
28:56>> Yeah. I mean, you're getting the her RB build in a modified way because if everything shakes out, Bree Hall could
29:03end up returning the same sort of value that we're seeing with some of these running backs going in the late second.
29:08I have Bree Hall like like really high in my rankings over at Rotoire. high enough that it could get me in trouble
29:14if he has a bad year, but I'm willing to sort of bet on him. I've been taking him in FFPC whenever he's there at like the
29:20310, 311, 312. That's like an auto pick.
29:24And again, FFPC, I can start an extra running back versus NFC. So, the this gets a little different in the ADP. Um,
29:31one running back, just before we move on from the Jets, Theo, you know, let's look at what's happened here. You know, Omar Cooper
29:38hasn't gotten off to the hottest start here at uh in Jets camp. A first round pick. They thought maybe he would
29:44contribute right from the jump. It doesn't look like that's going to happen. And then Sadique at the tight end position. He's been banged up all
29:51summer and we know how important it is for tight ends, rookie tight ends to get in camp, learn the, you know, not only
29:57what you have to do in the receiving game, but in the blocking game. So, this is two major pieces that it looks like
30:03the reigns are going to be held back a little bit early on and that just means more touches for Wilson and Hall here.
30:10Uh I I know we have Adai Mitchell, but um and I think he's a good click uh as well as a wide receiver, five or six
30:19down the board uh for your fantasy team this year. But man, it just looks like this is a condensed offense that Wilson
30:25and Hall are going to be the focal points uh as they should be. Yeah. No, completely with you. One running back
30:32that you also added to your flag plant list and this one sort of hurts and I've had to move this guy up and I've had to
30:38slightly move down. I'm a Trayvon Henderson guy. Everybody knows that.
30:42I've been a Hen I've been a Henderson guy since he came out of Ohio State and I was a Henderson guy in the draft and
30:48dynasty wise I'm I'm still a Henderson guy. But it's looking very apparent that Stevenson's going to have a massive role to start the year. I've moved Stevenson
30:56up uh begrudgingly. Um, where where are you at with Stevenson? How much exposure do you have to him on your own builds?
31:02>> Yeah, Theo, I I just think first off, we're seeing it in drafts this last week. You know, him going from being
31:08drafted in the late 80s and 90s where people were taking this guy reluctantly three rounds after Tayon Henderson, three, four rounds after Trevon
31:17Henderson would come off the board, clicking on Raandre as their RB4 or even like their RB3. Now look at it, you
31:24know, now look at it. At this point, we're we're taking a starting running back on a big-time offense with a big-time quarterback, and you were
31:32getting him in rounds seven and eight and even nine for the last two months.
31:38Uh to me, it just looked like it was a perfect scenario to put a Raandre, you know, one of those builds. It's all
31:45about how you build these teams. Also, Theo, you you can get a nice Bellcow come back in with a Jonathan Brooks
31:52type, a guy that you know, Blake uh I don't want to say Blake Corin because he's a little further down the board,
31:57but you know what I mean. In terms of the way you build these teams, there's certain running backs that you get in
32:03those fifth, sixth, seventh round range.
32:05And uh you need a solid veteran early in the season, you know, to get you through to see what you have with some of these
32:12players like a Jonathan Brooks. You know, we all have high hook high hopes for Jonathan Brooks, but uh you know, we
32:20need to see it here. We need to see him take over the role and that's why we're drafting him in that fifth sixth round
32:25range. But if you could start off the year with a JK Dobbins, a Jordan Mason, a Tony Pard, a Raandre Stevenson as your
32:33RB3 on a build and use them in September as your RB2 to give you that solid 10 15 points at your starting running back to
32:43position to get you to October when these guys that you draft earlier or have a Blake Corum on your roster or
32:51Brooks, guys like that to flourish. Uh, I just think it's in the build. I think that's where Raandre Stevenson is best
32:59drafted as, uh, on builds like that.
33:03>> Yeah. I mean, those guys are a bridge to like the chaos. You talk about the handcuffs and potential running back
33:08injuries. Uh, and with some of the younger backs, maybe potential takeover down the line. Those guys, we know what they'll be in the first six weeks of the
33:16year, and they're going at a range where it's not a huge price tag. some of those guys are moving up and I think with
33:21Stevenson >> it could be a really tilting one for fantasy managers especially with the free look where one of those two running
33:29backs is going to move up when we when we see the you know the post New England Seattle game I'm guessing one of those
33:35two guys is going to have a real game.
33:37Um but if the usage is dominant for Stevenson I think that's going to be enough to make him move up regardless of
33:43whether he scores 20 points or 18 points or something like that. Henderson also could fall if it's really if it's a
33:50really low touch game for Henderson. I could see him fall, but I think it might be a 50-50 split, Chris. Um, but a
33:57cheaper one. Yeah.
33:58>> And Theo, that's okay. Even if you're drafting Raandra at his price right now, now he's moving up in the last week.
34:03We're seeing people click on him in the 70s, you know. Uh, now you got to take him in the sixth round. He's like that
34:09name that comes off the board right after that next tier after like the Scataboos and ETN's come uh where he was
34:15going where the Jaylen Warren and Tony Pards and Dobbins were going. You know, he's moved up two full rounds pretty much now. Raandre adding the fact of
34:23this, you know, Trevian Henderson uh getting banged up at practice in the last couple days. We still don't have a clearer picture on that. If that turns
34:32into a multi- multi-week absence, you're talking Raandre maybe in the in the top 60 65 overall on draft boards. Again, Theo, when you're building these teams
34:43and you are like maybe the Jir Gibbs or Bejian owner in the one or two hole, right? And then you hit your four yellow
34:50stickers at receiver and you load up at receiver and you could come back in round six and click on a Raandre
34:56Stevenson as your RB2. I mean, there's not that many players that you can do that with that you can build a team with
35:04the the one Bellcow and then get a solid running back in that sixth round range and a Raandre Stevenson that could touch
35:12the ball 15 20 times a week. You know, he could catch the ball. Um, and like I said, you're getting it attached to a a
35:20really big-time offense that a lot of us love.
35:23>> Yeah, it's it's a really we're keeping an eye on on the Henderson injury. Uh we'll have some clarity hopefully in the
35:29next couple days, but sometimes these things are nothing. Sometimes they can be something that lingers. We'll keep an eye on that one for sure. Uh let's talk
35:36about tight end in just sort of a big picture thing.
35:39>> I've said it feels like the year of the tight end where elite tight end could matter a lot more. You got Brock Bowers,
35:45you got Trey McBride, then you have these two awesome year two guys in Coloulston Lovelin and Tyler Warren.
35:53Then down the down the board, you also have another cluster of I could see it happening. Tight ends that are in that
36:00potential tight end five guys who could potentially break into top three scorers, the crafts, the pits, those level guys, Fann and juniors. But let's
36:09talk about Tyler Warren and Coloulston Lovelin.
36:12>> They feel very important this year, Chris.
36:15>> They do. Um they are I I'm those two guys. I'm always interested early in drafts who's going to get Lovelin and
36:24who's going to get Warren just because the the build to me is so unique and I feel like it's such an advantage. You're
36:30not paying the round two price on Bowers. You're not paying the round three price on McBride and you're still getting these guys in Loveland and
36:40Warren who go off the board uh at the end of the fourth round and in the middle to end of the fifth round in
36:47Lovelin and Warren. And I think these two guys could make a run at both McBride and Bowers. It allows you to go
36:55through the first three rounds and get your combination of two elite receivers, one elite running back, or vice versa, then come back and still get an elite
37:05top four tight ends. There is a drop off after these four guys. Uh the the position as a whole, Theo, I agree with
37:13you. It seems like it's as deep as ever, but we know what happens. It just seems like it's a repetitive thing every year.
37:20We're always saying, "Oh my god, the tight end position looks so good. It looks so deep." And then the season starts and it's all like, "Oh, there's
37:28two guys dominating at the position."
37:30And guys are dropping off left and right at at uh tight end. But it seems like it's, you know, a solid 12 guys deep
37:39this uh this year. you get into that other um tier that you talked about with Craft, Pitts, Leaporta, Fannon. My god,
37:47I mean, when you can wait and build a a roster of running backs and receivers through six rounds, seven rounds, and
37:54then click on one of those guys to be your starting tight end, that's a great luxury as well. So, I mean, I really
38:01think the tight end position, you're good along the lines as you go through the draft board as long as you're not
38:06the the the the owner that's the last one or two to not click on one of these guys. But to me, I think Lovelin and
38:14Warren could easily next year be in the place of on draft boards where Bowowers and McBride are going.
38:22>> Yeah, I think you nailed it with that one. I think there's a chance like if we look at FFPC tight end premium, both
38:27those guys could be potential first round picks next year if it all falls their way. With Lovelin, it's like this truly elite talent. We already saw it
38:36last year down the stretch. With Warren, he's also extremely talented, but like you talked about with Josh DS, the picture is there for him to get like
38:45Trey McBride usage to have a 100 catches at the tight end position. They're they're both really really solid there.
38:52I I think that just when we look at tight end and big picture, uh this is going to be a record-breaking year for
38:5815 point per game scorers at the tight end position. It just feels like that's where we're headed. You've seen a last
39:04couple years of some of these guys getting extremely high catch totals.
39:08It's a copycat league and I think we could see it there. The the real wild card will be if one of those guys in
39:14that next tier ends up sort of being like a a shock tier two tight end. If you get like sort of a dream year out of
39:21a craft or a pits, that could sort of shake things up. But I think the best bet is probably Lovelund, Warren, those
39:28guys returning similar value to maybe potentially even a Trey McBride, but you're getting him at a much cheaper discount. I'll also bring up KD looks
39:36like he's going to play early. Um, I like Dallas and then I think Jawan Johnson, he gets a benefit from the
39:42Tyson injury. So, tight end gets a little deep, but you want to make sure you get it right. And then everybody
39:47likes Terrence Ferguson. We won't even talk about him. Everybody likes him.
39:50>> Yeah. Everybody likes Terrence Ferguson.
39:52And you can, like you said, Theo, you can build your tight end room with two or three of these guys if you're not one
39:57of them, one of the drafters that gets one of these top eight guys, right? Uh starting with Concincaid and moving on
40:03to KD and Goddard. Uh you bring in a Jawan Johnson that I think should could easily be a weekly top 12 tight end.
40:11Now, we saw last year what he can do.
40:14And now while Tyson is out probably for the first couple months of the season, I think if you start your tight end room
40:19with a Joan Johnson and a Terren Ferguson, uh that's solid. We're not even mentioning Jake Ferguson who's a name there and another guy Mark Andrews
40:29who nobody wants is forgotten about, but you know, Baitman, who knows what's going to happen with him. There's so many con, you know, that passing tree
40:37looks very condensed in Baltimore. Mark Andrews just might sneak out one more decent year. And if you have that veteran upside mix with a Mark Andrews,
40:47Terrence Ferguson or a Terrence Ferguson with even like a Theo like a Dalton Schultz now with what's going on in Houston. He's somebody that's entered my
40:56draft plan as like a backup tight end in round 16 17. There's just name after name where you could complete your tight
41:03end room. And I don't fault anybody Theo this year and I've been saying it for months on my show. If you're the
41:10Lovelind or Warren owner or even the McBride or Bowers owner and everybody in the room on the draft board just wants
41:17to keep waiting and passing on tight end, if you could come back and click on a a Fannon or a Leapora or Craft or
41:24Concaid in that eighth, ninth round if people want to give it to you and flex them out. I don't care what league
41:31you're in. I'm not even talking tight end pre and flex these guys out. you know, it's not a bad move cuz if I'd
41:38rather have the starting tight end that doesn't leave the field on some of these offenses like a Fannon over some of the
41:45receivers that go off the board in that range that you're just hoping, you know, hit.
41:51And it's an interesting interesting conversation uh in PPR leagues because I I know Dan Williamson and I split a team in that tag team uh online championship
42:01where McBride was sort of the best value on the board and it would went Bowowers McBride. I've seen a couple of people go
42:08with Bowowers McBride and then you get like the push back. Oh, you know, you took that second tight end and I thought
42:14um you know, I'll give a shout out to to Andrew Geller, the guilds, uh who plays a lot of high stakes. He said to the
42:19guy, I'm like, "Trey McBride versus wide receiver 28." Like that's that's really the argument. And wide receiver does dry up, but does Trey McBride outscore wide
42:28receiver 27 28? Coloulston Lovelin versus wide receiver 30. Trey uh Tyler Warren versus wide receiver 35. I understand you have to fill out the
42:38three wide receivers in a lot of these formats, but you start going down the list and I think you can find wide
42:43receiver versus tight end. you might go with the tight end scorer a lot even though historically that's been sort of a bad bet to make. Let's talk about
42:50stacking and correlating before you give kind of give your quarterback flag. You know, this has been a conversation I I I
42:57had Justin Herszig on recently. Great baseball uh player, won best baseball mania, does really good work. But when we get into reddraft, when you're
43:06talking about a format like the online championship or the prime time, you're going against a pretty large field, but certainly not the level of teams as like
43:15a baseball mania where it's literally like a 100,000 plus teams out there. How often are you correlating and looking to build stacks like one quarterback with
43:26one receiver or one quarterback potentially with two receivers? once in a while a quarterback with a passcatching running back. And then to
43:35kind of elaborate on the question, when you're in a closed team like the Super or the Legacy League, does that become
43:43way less important for you?
43:45>> Let me answer that one um first. Uh definitely becomes less more important when you're when I'm just in a in a
43:52private 12 team league. The stacking does not uh factor in for me. Um definitely a secondary thing, Theo. Um, when you're talking an overall, like a
44:02prime time, FFPC, any any overall, uh, yeah, it's I think as soon as you start putting your team together through the
44:10first two rounds at the wide receiver position for me, do I chase it? No, I I don't chase it. The the only thing I can
44:17be honest about is I think if I'm in the three hole this year and I take Chase now it immediately goes in my head like
44:25all right, you know, when am I going to pull the plug on, you know, pull the trigger on on Burrow? Do I do it in the
44:31fifth or the sixth? If somebody wants to jump me and take him, that's fine. I could live with, you know, Burrow. Uh I
44:37could live with Chase by himself. I think that's one that, you know, you start immediately doing. But um I'm not chasing any stacks, Theo, but as soon as
44:49you take a receiver in the first to second round, it starts it's in the back of your head if that makes sense. You
44:55know, if you if you click on Lad Maconi in the third now, all right, maybe Justin Herbert moves up a slot or two
45:02over, you know, a group of quarterbacks that you have in that range. You know, if you click on Loveland or Burden, you
45:10know, maybe Caleb steps over Herbert.
45:13now, you know, Parker Washington, Brian Thomas, like that. All right, maybe it's Trevor Lawrence that on this team that I can get in the uh, you know, in the
45:21eighth round. So, that goes in my head, you know, same thing with Lamb and Dak, you know, um, and Pickkins. So, um, I
45:30don't want to cop out on that answer and not give you a solid yes or no, but based on who I draft early, that's who I
45:38start thinking for down the road. I'm not moving them up. Oh my god, I have to go get, you know, because I drafted CD
45:44Lamb, I'm moving Dak up two, three rounds. No, if it comes to me, then that'll be my quarterback. Um, so that's
45:50the best way I can explain it, I guess.
45:53>> I think you explained it well, and I think it's it's when the correlation becomes of value to you. Um, you're
45:59willing to do it, but it's not something you're going to reach in order to execute. And I think we saw people doing
46:04that years ago, Chris, where people would reach to execute a stack, and it rarely ever pays off. Once in a while
46:11you might thread the needle and get access to a guy who goes absolutely bonkers in round in like week 15 or week
46:1816 and you get sort of a a little bit of a boost. Obviously in some of these leagues where uh there's a a playoffs it
46:25might make a make a difference. But it's one thing where I'll give a shout out to Scott Barrett who I uh podcasted with a
46:31ton at Fantasy Points. He talked about like sort of getting out of best ball mindset where a lot of people draft
46:37these best teams all summer long.
46:39They're drafting hundreds of best balls.
46:42Then they get into like their 12 team Sleeper League or Yahoo League or ESPN league and they're like, "Boom, I've got
46:48this wide receiver. I've got to force this stack. Maybe I'm going to get his teammate as well." And then you end up
46:53with a two wide receivers and a quarterback from one particular team.
46:57You could end up sort of not only missing out on other values, but if you kind of uh uh if you attack the wrong
47:03stack, you could sort of ruin your home league build. So, I think Chris, you nailed it. like the super, the legacy
47:09league where you're going up against 11 other under managers, it becomes way way less important. But it's a nice thing to
47:15have uh sort of that combination if you're in a prime time and you're going up against at the end a couple hundred
47:20for a chance to win some huge money.
47:22>> I I will say this, Theo, you know, we we talked about the the going after your main quarterbacks. What I find myself
47:29doing a lot in these drafts is secondary stacks. And and what I mean by that is, you know, if I come out of the first
47:37round with Justin Jefferson, right, and then I come through and I get my, you know, my starting quarterback, I like to
47:44take Kyler Murray as my second quarterback, you know, my backup, so I could pair them up where if Kyler Murray and Justin Jefferson are on fire this
47:53year, maybe Kyler steps in for a couple weeks and becomes my my my hookup with my quarterback. I do that a lot with
47:59Christian Watson and Jordan Love as my second quarterback. I do that a lot with Ibuka when I was drafted I buouah a lot
48:06with Baker as my second quarterback. So I I think that's a sneaky little way to put stacks together where your team
48:13isn't surrounded by it. But if those combinations are on fire and they become like the top duo, which we could see all
48:20those happening, I have it. I have it on my roster. You know, there's no there's nothing guaranteed in this fantasy game
48:28which says that your QB1 that you draft in round six, seven, eight becomes your starting quarterback. You know, Jordan Love, Kyler, Baker, any of these guys
48:37that I mentioned, Perie, Stafford, these guys could all look at what happened with Stafford last year. You know, Stafford was barely drafted. He was QB1
48:44basically every week. So, these guys, they could be your backup quarterback.
48:50You can have correlation with your main receivers early in the rounds. You could do it with Goff and and Amanra. Goff's
48:57not being drafted as a top 10 quarterback right now. You could do it with all these secondary combinations this year. And if they're on fire and
49:06those are the offenses, then maybe they move into your starting lineup. So, uh, that's more what I've been doing a lot
49:13this year.
49:15>> I have a ton of Jordan Love late QB2.
49:19Um, and I'll say Jared Goff and and Bo Nicks to me, they sometimes both they just fall in that range where you can
49:26take them and they could end up being your starting quarterback for the entire year if things kind of run out their
49:31way. Really, really strong stuff from you, Chris. And let's talk about your flag plant quarterback, a quarterback that we saw take a huge step forward
49:38down the stretch last year.
49:40>> He's got uh some strong offensive skill position players around him and we love the play caller. talk about Trevor Lawrence and your expectations for him
49:49this year.
49:50>> I I love when first off, we saw it all come together for Trevor Lawrence late.
49:54It looked like everything just finally clicked, right? It took a while with Liam Cohen to to get everything down, but end of the season, middle of the
50:02season on, it started coming all together. I love when you give me a quarterback that has this upside, can also take off and run like Lawrence Ken,
50:11and now you put him in the same system with a great offensive mind like Liam Cohen here, and then you're going to
50:17give me all these weapons. Now, are they the greatest weapons when drafting these guys uh in the first or second round?
50:23No. But what it does is it gives me a lot of outs. You got Parker Washington, you got Brian Thomas, Jacobe Meyers. You
50:31could bring in a Travis Hunter as your wide receiver for and then nobody likes to give Brenton Strange any respect, but
50:37Brenton Strange is a solid move the chains tight end here that Trevor Lawrence loves. So even if a piece or two get nicked up, hurt out, this
50:48offense isn't going to collapse. There's a lot of weapons, there's a lot of outs for Trevor Lawrence's at Trevor Lawrence's disposal. So, you mix all
50:57that in, you you put it with the fact that you have a a a brilliant play caller, offensive mind, and Liam Cohen
51:04in another year where he's got the system down, and it just seems like if there's going to be a quarterback that
51:10makes a run at a top three overall uh season, it could be Trevor Lawrence, and we don't have to pay a heavy price for
51:17him.
51:18>> We also saw he was so effective as a runner last year. It's like the rushing touchdowns, >> most people are saying, you know, it's
51:24it's a those are are are something that are going to regress. And I think in terms of like the rush attempts and and
51:30getting the touchdown rate, if you're chasing like the analytics, then yeah, they should regress, but >> they're not going to go to zero. and
51:37Trevor Lawrence, they showed that he shows the opportunistic scrambling ability in this offense when you get the comfort level of year two with the same
51:45guy knowing when to take off and run and Liam Cohen knowing when to call his number on those design runs. We also saw
51:52that with Baker Mayfield and Liam Cohen.
51:55When Baker Mayfield had that huge year, he was also very effective as a runner.
51:59So that's been sort of a signal with Liam Cohen where quarterbacks produce in a major way throwing touchdowns and also producing with their legs. So I think
52:09you're spot on with Taw. He's also going in a range where Chris >> you see like the Josh Allen then it gets
52:14down to like the the next tier where it's the inf it's the Joe Burrow, Drake May, Lamar depending on your draft. then
52:22it's like the next tier and you get to sometimes where TAWA is like a low-end QB1 but you don't necessarily know when
52:29he's going to go. Usually you could sort of predict the run, but you're getting that sort of discount. So if he does
52:33give you a top three scoring year, it's even more impactful. So I I love that call out. Let's go rapid fire here.
52:41>> Brandon Aubrey or no Brandon Aubrey?
52:44>> Oh god, I love Brandon Aubrey so much.
52:46Uh Theo, I know it's rapid fire. I I just think there's I just think there's other um kickers that are just going to
52:54be as valuable or right behind him now that could kick it from 60. Dicker, Fairburn, um you know, uh Cam Little and
53:03you don't have to pay. You could get these guys four rounds later in good offenses as well. So, more inclined to
53:10give that spot to a running back or receiver.
53:13>> And I'm sorry about rapid fire. I know.
53:15No, no, no. But I had to give a little more context. [laughter] >> I mean, it's it's less a minute is rapid
53:22fire enough with us when we get going on talking on talking football.
53:25>> But Brandon Aubrey, we get a we get seven points for that 70 yarder when he hits it this year, right?
53:30>> Oh yeah, we do. Uh we get seven points.
53:32I can't even knock it. I will have some Brandon Aubrey teams just because I had him last year on on a lot of my big
53:38teams. uh Theo and my god like every week it just seemed like 18 points, 22 points. You're playing with an extra
53:46running back and you go up against a team that just kicks three extra points and you know uh he's indoors and anytime
53:55they're past the 45 yardd line of the opposing team, they're going to bring Aubrey out. He's just an unbelievable weapon.
54:03>> Yeah. I mean, I think kickers are a whole another conversation. I'm going to do a kicker rankings show. I think some
54:07people hate that. I like kickers. I think we could find another edge.
54:11>> I love it.
54:11>> I appreciate that. I appreciate that.
54:13Yeah, we find edges in fantasy football.
54:15And I think one thing you hit on was you named a bunch of big-legged kickers. I think that these coaches are way more
54:22comfortable letting these guys I mean 50 yarders used to be like, "Wow, my kicker hit a 50 yard." Now it's like we get 50
54:28yarders. Like Brandon Aubry is going to end up with like 14 of those this year.
54:32Cam Little uh they let him Cam Little could end up attempting a couple 70s this year. I think some of these coaches
54:39are sickos and they want to be attached to these guys who challenge NFL records and they're just willing to take a shot
54:45on it. Kickers are getting way better. I think this is a signal. So looking for those biglegged kickers as your initial
54:51draft strategy. I think that's the way to do it. And then obviously chasing good offenses, chasing indoor environments, and then Chris being
54:58willing to abandon ship early and get your kicker off the waiver wire and just stick with that guy. I think that's an
55:04underrated thing. Like there's no sunk cost with kickers. Be willing to grab that guy who's getting a bunch of field goal attempts and looks good early on.
55:12Good way to go about it.
55:13>> If you could know the final stats of any player in fantasy, who would it be?
55:18>> Okay, I'm going to go off the the the deep end a little bit on this one, Theo.
55:22Um, and and stick with me on this one.
55:26Tucker Craft, >> okay?
55:28>> Okay. And I'll tell you why. If I know Tucker Craft is healthy and he's going to put up the numbers that he was on
55:36pace to last year and basically hit the board, he's he would be being drafted right where Colston Lovelin is being drafted right now. if he's not healthy
55:45enough this year. We're seeing all the clips of him um that, you know, looking pretty good, looking like nothing ever happened. But he's also saying that, oh,
55:54they're going to manage his reps. And that's fine with me as well, cuz if you want to run the ball and have him on the
56:00sideline, I don't need him in there all the time. But if I knew what Tucker Craft's stats were going to be and if he
56:06was back to that elite top three or four tight end, then maybe it helps me determine if Christian Watson belongs more in the wide receiver round three
56:15range where all those Lad Mcconi Wadd uh Garrett Wilson guys go. You know, the the book is open on Christian Watson
56:23every draft. Some people feel like he's that end of third, early fourth round click. Some drafts you see him get to
56:30the end of the fourth, fifth round. Is he elite? Is he a solid wide receiver too or what? And then you bring into the
56:38fact that there's two more receivers that a lot of us love and Jaden Reed and Matthew Golden. And if Tucker Craft I
56:46knew his stats and if he his stats weren't going to be that good, that means Reed or Golden or both are going
56:52to pay off big time from that eighth round price range. One of them is going to be more like a fourth or fifth round
56:59price range wide receiver that could cash in big time. So, if I knew what craft stats would be, it would help me
57:05out with all the other guys in the offense. Never mind Jordan Love, who if they're all clicking, could be one of
57:13the biggest sleeper quarterbacks on the board who is a QB2 on a lot of my teams.
57:18He could be my QB1 if I knew Craft stats.
57:21>> It's a it's a really great wellthoughtout answer there. Craft was 14 and a half points a game last year when he went down and he had multiple
57:29tight end one overall weekly finishes. I had him on so many FFPC teams. That was really a huge painful loss. Um we're
57:37getting him in the eighth round in tight end premium last year, but he could bounce back this year. I mean the
57:43yakability that he has is special. It's sort of like the George KD type usage.
57:47And then uh yeah, if he kind of continues on what we saw last year when he was trending up, then he becomes the
57:53major value at tight end and with even with respect to Warren and Lovelin, Craft goes so late in some of these PPR
58:00formats. So just awesome stuff. Chris, you you record a podcast that's sort of dear to my heart, Fantasy Empire. Uh love the stuff you guys put out over
58:10there. Dan Williamson, Nelson Susa, Matt Modika, and yourself. all friends of mine and you guys are talking shop on high stakes fantasy. Uh really strong
58:20stuff. Let everybody know sort of what you guys are putting out and what you have planned for the season.
58:25>> Yeah, we've been going at it for over a month now. Theo uh our our show is every Tuesday 11:00 YouTube fantasy player pro
58:32uh profiler, you know, back in the day.
58:35Uh% man% that's where you came up uh in those streets. uh every th every Tuesday uh Fantasy Empire with like you said
58:44Nelson, Dan, and Matt. Uh we've been doing live streams. We have a live stream prime time draft tomorrow night, Thursday. Um uh you know, for everybody
58:54to get into and compete against the fantasy empire. And uh that's it. You know, we'll be every Tuesday throughout the whole season looking forward to it.
59:02Chopping up shop, talking about the week that just h happened right off of Monday Night Football and the week ahead. So,
59:09we have a lot of fun there.
59:10>> Yeah, I think that podcast really helps you out if you're a fantasy manager pretty much anywhere. All four all, you
59:16know, you all four of you guys have incredible amount of success playing high stakes and it's also like unique perspectives. You guys don't just
59:24blindly agree on all the same guys. It's it's a really great cadence and you know, wish you guys nothing but the best
59:30of luck this year with the show. It's one that I and just sort of like how the sausage is made here. I don't like
59:35listening to a lot of fantasy football podcasts in season because I want to lock in my own takes, but I make sure
59:40and I listen in on Fantasy Empire on a weekly basis, at least part of your show. Sometimes you guys go long, but
59:45you get a ton of like useful stuff with your thought process and and your delivery with it. So, really back at you
59:52and the feelings mutual for you and how you're killing it at Roto Wire and uh there's not that many shows uh that I
59:59tune in for uh because they don't speak my language, right? Right. And that's the high stakes language and and and I
60:05could relate to the shows, but I could relate to all yours and the guests you have on and how you chop it up with
60:12them. So, uh you know, great success uh for you uh continued success and you're doing a great job and I look forward to
60:20uh battling in uh New York >> with the live drafts uh next week.
60:24>> Yeah, we're going headtohead. Um I'm going to be in New York City. Actually, it's at Chris's spot. So, let everybody
60:30know about your your spot if you're in the New York City area. Chris, you're hosting the NFC Live Drafts. You got an
60:36awesome bar down in Tribeca. Let everybody know about it.
60:39>> Yeah, thank you. Uh, Theo, next Friday, September 4th, um, live at my bar, the Greenwich Street Tavern in Tribeca, hosting theFC drafts. I'm glad this is
60:50the second year in a row. First year was a a pretty major success according to everybody. So, uh, Greg Ambrocious, uh,
60:57jumped on the phone with me right after it was over and said, you know, hey, we're in for year two. Uh, this year's
61:03even bigger and better, Theo. Uh, you know, more leagues, more people attending. Um, it's going to be a packed house. All our leagues are sold out
61:12other than we have one prime time available at 10 p.m. So, if you're uh a late uh if you're a night owl and you
61:19want to come through and get in a high stakes draft, uh, come on through. uh food and drinks for anybody that has a
61:25draft. Uh looking forward to it. I'm going to be drafting six drafts in a row. Um I know a lot of us are guys like
61:32uh Nelson and Edelman and uh Theo. I know you're in the house for the New York.
61:37>> I do I do I'm doing three of you. So I go I'm going to go prime prime time prime time and then the New York Super I
61:44split with Nelson Susa. Why don't you talk a little bit about that New York Super draft? It's really sort of uh
61:50become sort of an appointment board that people want to see in high stakes.
61:54You've been in it longer than I have, but it's a it's like a murderer's row of drafters.
61:59>> Uh Theo, how can I describe the New York Super? It is hands down the hardest draft, the toughest draft with the most
62:08skilled highstakes drafters anywhere.
62:11That's including the 100K that I'm doing on Friday. this draft, even though it's $2,500 the New York Super, it'll be way
62:19harder with way more talent at the table than the 100K, the Diamond, the Platinum, any drafts you want to talk about. The best players are at this
62:29draft table. There's six Hall of Famers.
62:31There's overall champions, on and on and on. There is not a soft spot at that table. Uh you have to go get your guys.
62:39The builds are unique. Um, it's it's uh, you know, the draft I look forward to the most every year. I think most of us
62:49that are in that draft will stay the same. And when you win it, it's probably the biggest, uh, badge that you can
62:56acquire. Uh, you know, you know, regardless, minus winning an overall, if you win the New York Super, that's something to hang your hat on.
63:07>> Yeah. 100% 100%. Nelson and I we've we've >> we've had some some awful awful luck there. Uh we last year I I think we had
63:16a team that was challenging for it. Get to that final. Yeah. I mean it's been I had a year a couple years ago where I
63:22thought my team was really trending up and then I lose Will Fuller just to kind of show like the but this year you know
63:28we all go into it ton of confidence and it's and like you said it's a very challenging draft. It's like that draft.
63:35It's a really hard one, but it's also so en enjoyable going up against some of the best players in the country. So, I'm
63:40going to hope to take it down. I know you are as well, Chris. Best of luck from all of us here at Rotoire.
63:45>> You back to back, Theo. I'm going >> There you go. I know, man. You You got it last year. And best of luck from
63:50everyone here at Rotoire for you in the Legacy League. I'm going to be covering the Legacy League on a podcast. Uh I'm
63:56going to review the board. Uh so, we'll look and see sort of what Chris did in that draft as well as all these other
64:01great Mad Schroeder. Uh you mentioned uh Santos is in that, Nelson Susa, Dave Hubard, just a murderer's row there. Uh awesome stuff. And make sure you stick
64:10here with Rotoire all off seasonason long heading up to the to kickoff. We're going to help you crush your leagues this