0:05Live drafting in FFPC $350 entry Big Gorilla. Theo Gremminger, RotoWire lead fantasy analyst, joined today by Ryan Heath of Fantasy Points. Ryan, we're
0:15going to attempt to take down a million dollars. We're drafting out of the sixth spot. Your thoughts on this? How how
0:21dangerous are you feeling right now?
0:23>> Oh, I am feeling dangerous, Theo. I am so ready to get into this FFPC draft. So much fun. I I can't even like describe
0:33how pumped I've been for this all day.
0:36Uh Bowers goes here, so we're staring down a JSN or a Christian McCaffrey. We talked a little bit before the draft,
0:43but I'm kind of happy with whichever way you would like to push that.
0:46>> I want to push JSN here. I think JSN is a player that the two of us were ahead of market on last year.
0:52Um and we we were kind of unwavering with that one. I had more exposure to him than you did, but you were sort of
0:58talking about the upside case. Let's not make them the same mistake. Uh let's get you a JSN share. An awesome player,
1:04awesome usage, uh and I think it's a really foundational way to start our draft. I love him at the 106.
1:11>> Yeah, he's a very solid pick here for sure. I kind of like how from the middle of draft just structurally how starting
1:19out wide receiver goes, especially uh in this format where you have the extra flex. It just adds a little bit of value
1:26to wide receivers at the back end. So, I yeah, definitely not against going JSN here. Uh even if that's maybe not how I
1:34have it ranked exactly for people drafting in like shallower home leagues, but I do think yeah, he's definitely a format fit here and he's a a fit for
1:42kind of the plan that we have laid out.
1:44>> Yeah, I moved him up um in my overall PPR rankings. I I'm very bullish on JSN.
1:50I've taken Amon-Ra St. Brown ahead of him like once, but I don't know. I feel like with the pure upside case, they're
1:56both have strong upside cases at wide receiver. When you get into round two, we talked about structurally, especially in FFPC, you can catch up at running back at the
2:052.07 where we're going to be picking, maybe more so than in other years. It feels like there's going to be some
2:10really high upside bets. So, I think we're kind of rooting for probably after the JSN start, we want to see A.J. Brown go, we want to see Drake
2:18London go, and potentially push a a running back down to us. And also, the big wild card, how are you treating
2:24Malik Nabers? I had to move him way up in my rankings at RotoWire.
2:28>> [snorts] >> Yeah, I have him very high is is what I'll say. I have him much higher than any sort of aggregated ADP or expert
2:36consensus would show you. I'm considering him basically at the 2.3 turn is [laughter] where is where I've ended up.
2:45I do think he's one you have to be careful with in terms of the build you use and the players you pair him with. I
2:52think it's a little scary to pair a Nabers with like a Jeremiah Love, for example, who just as a rookie could kind of start
2:59slower, take a little bit of time to get a full workload. A Josh Jacobs who has like the suspension risk, right? Like I
3:06think there's some guys where you have to watch yourself for just early in the season.
3:10If Nabers is taking a few weeks to get up to full strength and full effectiveness. But, yeah, outside of that, I'm super super in on Nabers.
3:21>> So, we have three players in the queue.
3:25Uh actually, I just added a fourth for consideration.
3:28We are five picks away.
3:31Right now, we saw just for the the podcast listening audience, you saw Devon Achane go inside of round one.
3:38That's been a slightly early for him.
3:40We'll get Ryan's thoughts on Achane after we pick. Scott Barrett and I drafted Achane in an FFPC main event. We see Saquon Barkley go at the 2.03. So,
3:50Trey McBride, Colson Loveland very much in play in this range. And there goes Chase Brown. So, two picks three picks away here Ryan with a couple of really
3:59fun players on the board.
4:02>> Yeah, yeah, I have been pretty happy with how this has fallen so far.
4:07I guess I'll say that two of the guys I'm not really targeting in round two of drafts this year would be Saquon Barkley
4:14and Justin Jefferson. Those are kind of just fades for me for some reasons I lay out in my draft guide, but yeah, happy to see them go
4:23here at the 202, 203. It's going to push down some nice options here for us. I guess I didn't really consider the
4:32possibility of Trey McBride here pre-show, but yeah, that's also pretty interesting that he might end up falling. So, yeah, we have a couple of
4:42different directions we could go here.
4:44>> Yeah, I mean Trey McBride when you start getting past the one-two turn it's sort of like almost too big to fail
4:51in this and again, this is 1.5 points for tight end reception and recent reports are this Arizona staff wants to target the the hell out of Trey McBride.
5:01A lot of reports coming out of camp that this this staff has a plan. You start thinking about a Sean McVay type offense
5:07and how they could hyper-utilize a tight end.
5:10A Marion Hampton goes here. So, that we're we're sort of Okay, this is the unexpected Ryan. I will say if you draft Trey McBride here,
5:20it takes away your your round three running back target cuz that's a kind of a hard double tap.
5:25>> Yes.
5:26>> If you want to go tight end, I'm I'm totally open to it. I think for me it's between Derrick Henry and the two tight
5:34ends. I would lean towards tight end for like a overall winner type value and I think we could sort of piece meal
5:41together running back. I know we're both open to the dead zone this year. But a McBride JSN start is pretty scary, Um
5:48but I'll I'll defer to you on this one.
5:49Last one I I kind of got my way.
5:52>> I Yeah, I think I want to go with the running back here that we discussed, Derrick Henry. If you If you Yeah. If
5:59you want to make a crazy team, we can, but I'm I would prefer Henry.
6:03>> Okay, so we'll lean into the structure.
6:05Um I'm going to I'm not going to use the word begrudging, but I It's That's the great thing about splitting teams is,
6:11you know, you you you're open-minded to some other things. I know you've talked about the high-end outcomes with with Derrick Henry. Um you are are very into
6:20him. Talk about this one and the value he presents in round two. You are a noted ageist, Ryan, so it really It
6:27probably hurts you deeply to have to talk about Derrick Henry in a positive light, but but here we are.
6:33>> It is, and I I won't lie. There's a part of me that's terrified. Like, of course, finally the season that I'm in on
6:38Derrick Henry would would be the year that all the nerds have been predicting for the last three to five years, right?
6:44Uh but but no, I really like how this season sets up for him.
6:49Uh with the new offensive coordinator coming in, uh Declan Doyle, I He just sounds like he wants to kind of use
6:57Henry Not like to say, "Oh, Henry's going to suddenly turn into Devon Achane and be like highly involved in the passing
7:04game," but Henry has been one of the most efficient running backs in the league on like a yards per target or a
7:10yards per route run basis. He's awesome with the ball in his hands. I don't get why you wouldn't want to give him all of
7:16the kind of opportunities and space that you could. Uh Everything we've heard out of camp is that Declan Doyle's of a
7:22similar mindset there, and I think you're also just getting a discount on Henry that doesn't make that much sense given uh just kind of the Vegas win
7:32total and the projections of how good of a team the Ravens are going to be that even if he is still just in his two-down
7:39role, like the the touchdown equity that you're getting here is massive. Lamar has been running less and less at the goal line with each passing season. Like
7:48I just see a smash outcome here for Henry.
7:52And he's not like that different of a pick to me than a Jonathan Taylor is that goes a full round earlier on ADP in
8:00every site.
8:01>> Yeah, I think he's interesting. We're betting on him to just basically do the exact same thing as last year. I think
8:06like from an analytics and and looking at like historical comps, there's really none.
8:11There was like one season of a 32-year-old playing the entire season and and and producing in a major way.
8:18Okay, so we're OTC here. George Pickens goes. I had him in the queue.
8:22We're looking at Zay Flowers. We're looking at Tyler Warren. We're looking at Chris Olave. Uh my guy Emeka Egbuka.
8:34Uh I'm I'm into, but the toe scares me a little bit. I know Jacob um Jacob Gibbs is is not moving off him. What's your
8:41initial lean here? I will say if it's Flowers, you're double tapping Baltimore.
8:45Uh and I will throw Tyler Warren into the equation. Egbuka, Warren, and then I know you put Devonta Devontae Smith in
8:52there. So, talk about which way you want to go here.
8:55>> Yeah, Smith would be my lean. He's my highest ranked wide receiver uh here. To me, I just am very bought into Shawn
9:03McVay as a play-caller, and I think that Smith can kind of just fully take over the the role that A.J. Brown left in the
9:10offense. I think the Eagles will be a lot better this year, but I'm also cool with Chris Olave if you Yeah, if that's
9:15your preference.
9:15>> I think let's let's lean into Olave. I think Olave um I like Smith a lot, but I think Jordan Addison sort of the the
9:23injury box being opened up. I talked about this with with Jacob Gibbs today, where like I'm team Emeka Egbuka. I've taken him in a main event. I have a lot
9:32of exposure to him, but I think if if there was anything that sort of re-aggravates with Tyson or if Tyson missed some time, we look at like how
9:40incredible the usage was for Olave last year and with the first read rate, we looked at the air yard share, the target
9:47share, the overall counting stats where it's like 150 targets, 100 plus receptions, and there could be a little more room to run this year because the
9:56overall offense is going to be better.
9:58Tyler Shough is a year older.
10:01Apparently, the Tyler Shough's been sort of a mixed bag. Some really phenomenal moments in training camp, some poor moments. Rattler sort of also played
10:08pretty decently, but it's Tyler Shough's offense. And Ryan, you've also often talked about just how fantasy friendly the Kellen Moore offense is. Where with
10:18Sean Man Sean Mannion's is still like I'm into Sean Mannion and I know you are, I know a few smart people are, but
10:23Kellen Moore is more of a proven thing.
10:25Mannion's a little bit more of a theoretical offensive coordinator.
10:29>> Yeah. No, and that that is all entirely fair enough. I I have like the Olave versus Tyson thing I've been
10:38like wrestling with recently cuz my take coming in was I think Jordan Tyson is somehow like kind of being underrated as
10:46a prospect. I think he was an excellent prospect. I think there's like a real chance that he's even with Olave in
10:53terms of target share when both are healthy. But yeah, as you're pointing out, it's like what will both of them be
10:59healthy? Is that is that even like a relevant consideration at this point?
11:04I've been kind of waiting and dragging my feet on moving Tyson up my rankings just because it's generally a little scary to bet on rookies that have missed
11:14most of the summer of their rookie season, which was the case with Tyson at OTAs.
11:22And yeah, he made it through a couple weeks of training camp, but now he yeah, has pulled his hamstring again, it
11:28sounds like. We're still waiting for updates on that, but yeah, I don't know.
11:32On like Monday or Tuesday when the Saints next practice, if he's out there, I could be coming out with a much more
11:37bullish Jordan Tayson take. But But yeah, right now I think that as you point out, like being a little bit more
11:44aggressive on Olave makes some sense here and and just in this moment of time that we exist in.
11:49>> And I think the the fourth and fifth round, depending on how they go, Tayson is a player I think I'm still very wide
11:55open to taking if he's available at the 6-7, and it'll be hard to to not take him if he's there at the 7-6, which I
12:02don't anticipate. I think it's probably 6-7 or bust, but I think this could be a consolidated offense. I think Juwan Johnson is going
12:08to have a role, but Olave and Tayson can both produce. Olave was wide receiver seven last year on sort of a poor
12:15offense. I think there's a chance he returns to wide receiver one land, and Jordan Tayson's like the wide receiver 22, and this offense takes a huge step
12:23forward. I'd say if there was no like Mike McDaniel, then the Saints, there would be a lot more talk about this
12:28being like the breakout offense. There's certainly some really smart people on New Orleans right now.
12:33So, we've a very balanced start. If you're listening on the podcast, Jaxon Smith-Njigba at the 1.06, Derrick Henry in round two, Chris Olave in round
12:41three, two wide receivers and a running back. This is FFPC tight end premium, so it's it's a PPR format, 1.5 point for
12:50tight end reception. It's 20 rounds, and you start two flexes in this one, Ryan.
12:55So, gives us a lot of flexibility. If you want to play against Ryan Heath and I in FFPC, use the code Theo25,
13:03and if you're a new sign-up, you are going to get 25 free dollars, which is pretty cool because they have a $35 best
13:09ball contest that pays $100,000. So, you basically would be getting that for $10.
13:15Pretty pretty great place to play. I have a lot of dynasty teams over in FFPC as well. Ryan, how many FFPCs are you
13:22going to draft a couple? Are you doing a main event this year with Scott and Jacob again?
13:26>> Uh yeah, on I should I should I even announce when we're in it? I don't know.
13:30Yes, uh, me me, Jacob Sanderson, and Scott Barrett will be drafting a Main Event team together, uh, at some point in the next couple of weeks. Uh, I I
13:38don't know the etiquette on that if I'm supposed to tell people when it is, but >> No, go for it. No, go for it.
13:43>> Yeah, it's a it's on it's on August 20th is is when we'll be doing it. We'll be live streaming that, uh, from the
13:48Fantasy Points YouTube channel. Should be a lot of fun. Uh, we make we won our pod last year and ended up with the free
13:58roll entry, so we knew we had to run it back. Uh, hopefully we can keep rolling that forward.
14:03Um.
14:04>> Okay, so we're OTC here, Ryan, and I I think it's there's there's interesting running backs, but I think they'll probably be a running back at the 506.
14:13I think that for me it's Luther Burden's banged up, but I think he's really, uh, an interesting target.
14:21Garrett Wilson would be my personal favorite here. The vibes are really good. He's going to be a high usage player. He's perfectly healthy. I put
14:30Cam Skattebo into consideration. I put Josh Jacobs and then Tederall McMillan.
14:36Your thoughts on this pick here, which way you'd go? I think I'm on Wilson. 26 seconds.
14:41>> I'm on Wilson as well. Yeah, he's my highest ranked player here, too. Um, I just recently flipped him and Luther
14:48Burden in my rankings, uh, just off of the injury. That was like the only slight adjustment I made. Um, no, so any
14:55anyone listening that's a Fantasy Points subscriber asking if I'm like wavering on my targets or my thoughts on Burden or any of these guys, I'm not, but on a
15:05platform like this, FFPC, where the ADP is much more efficient, uh, than on a lot of the home league platforms that I
15:12might be making content for, uh, yeah, I do I do like, uh, Garrett Wilson just ahead of a Luther Burden right now. Uh,
15:20really my my only response to the Burden injury was that I just slightly increased like the gap between Loveland and Burden in my rankings by like a
15:29couple of spots like either like either way I just yeah moved him slightly apart. Uh not really changing overall draft strategy for people that aren't
15:40going to be in like these maximally efficient ADP markets, but that that was kind of what I thought was appropriate just
15:48based on it like as much as I think Luther Burden can absolutely smash and like is probably going to get the role
15:56that we want.
15:58It's hasn't like happened yet, right?
16:00Like I would like him to be on the field when the like during this preseason when the team is installing all of this
16:06stuff, right? If he's going to be taking on a new role in the offense, it's just like a slight concern. I there's no like
16:12reason to doubt his week one availability. So it's it's like very very minor, but it in this case that like small micro adjustment and ended up
16:21making me agree with you here.
16:23>> Yeah, it's it's a fun team. We're here RB build right now and I think that's the way you want to play Derrick Henry
16:30sort of draft like you're right, draft like you have 17-18 points per game with spike weeks at the RB1 position and we
16:37really leaned into wide receiver.
16:40T Higgins would have been an interesting player there, but T Higgins obviously the target competition with Jamar Chase.
16:45Garrett Wilson 30% target share probably a reasonable bet and if he stays healthy for the full year with Geno at quarterback 140 target floor, 170 target
16:57ceiling.
16:59>> Yeah, no I I have no I [laughter] I have no arguments against that. My My only argument against Garrett Wilson is is the offense going
17:07to be competent enough for any of it to matter, but yeah I I absolutely expect him to just completely dominate the
17:13targets there and be and be one of the yeah one one of the highest target share highest target rate receivers in the
17:20NFL. That's certainly what we saw from him last year in the games that he was healthy. So yeah, he he's a nice get
17:26here. I'm pretty happy with him. Would also have loved a T. Higgins fall but I think we're set up well here
17:33to there's a a couple ways we could go here. I want to hold my tongue a little. Okay, and Basile Tuten
17:41goes one spot up.
17:41>> Okay, so Basile Basile Basile Tuten goes. Okay, so you do have two interesting wide receiver one types in Christian Watson and Terry McLaurin
17:52still on the clock. Would really lean into wide receiver. Mike Evans little banged up here. I took him a little later than this yesterday.
17:59I am kind of of the opinion that we might get burned at tight end if we don't push one up tier
18:06and we can't really rely on the sixth round. My lean would be the tight end we have in the queue who I know we're both
18:12very into. Where is your lean right now?
18:16>> I I have Sam LaPorta ranked higher than the tight end you have in the queue, but I'm okay with taking this guy and I'm
18:23okay with going tight end at this point cuz yeah, a lot the running backs I was into as an RB2 are gone. So going tight
18:30end either with LaPorta or the guy you queued is cool is cool with me.
18:34>> I like I'm going to let's go with let's go with Harold Fanin Jr. I know you're really close with LaPorta.
18:40I hate to say this one because it's our first team together, but I have with with so much Sam LaPorta right now it's
18:45scary.
18:47And and I and and Harold Fanin Jr. I love to play catch up on.
18:50Shout out to Pizza Machine doesn't like don't go tight end there. I get it.
18:54There's going to be some tight ends in in the sixth round as well potentially, but I really love getting I think
19:00another number one target in Harold Fanin Jr. there. LaPorta I love. I think the spike weeks could be there. I love I
19:06love betting on Detroit's offense.
19:07That's my pick to sort of lead the NFL in points per game this year and I'm open to drafting all of those guys.
19:15Running backs are I don't think that they necessarily the edge there that Fanning has and I think there's sort of a nightmare scenario that we reach on a
19:21running back, that running back doesn't pay off here at the 506, and then we get kind of steamrolled at tight end, and
19:28then we're sort of having to piecemeal it together. I do think there are some running backs that are going to be
19:32intriguing from rounds like 8 through 12 where we're going to play kind of play catch up a little bit at the position,
19:38but we're already a hero RB build.
19:40Fanning, I I think he's a little underrated in the community. Uh, last year he was the youngest tight end in football and he's like basically nuked
19:49David Njoku, came out of the MAC and no player comes out of the MAC. I mean, historically none of the stars that have
19:55come out of the MAC, um, some of the stars that have come out of the MAC, they all take a while to ramp
20:00up, um, and then you end up getting like Fanning doing it last year at 21 years old. So, shout out to Pizza Machine who
20:07says, "No way he stays number one target with Kacy Concepcion and Denzel Boston."
20:11I get that argument, but I do think the fact that it's going to be two rookies out the gate, we're going to get an
20:16exceptional target share to start out the year. I've been drafting also both of the Browns wide receivers. I think they're all priced pretty well. Um, I
20:24like too many Browns. I like Quinshaun Jenkins as well this year.
20:27Uh, but really an really an interesting one there.
20:30>> Yeah, it it's really tough. Um, my like LaPorta argument is mostly like we've
20:40A, we've seen him be even with or ahead of Jameson Williams in the target pecking order for essentially both of their entire careers together. If you
20:48look at per route stats, if you look at target share when they're on the field together, it's always clearly been LaPorta ahead.
20:55Uh, you have Drew Petzing coming in who has is like amazing for tight end usage, comes from like the Stefanski kind of
21:04coaching tree that's also always been amazing for tight end usage. You see that Trey McBride has been above a 70% route share in like his last 27 games in
21:15a row or something like that is the stat.
21:18LaPorta has been in terms of non-tight end premium that which is just a number I have in my head like 15 fantasy points
21:25per game in his career games above a 70% route share just when he's played the full-time role. I expect that for
21:32LaPorta this year. That's why he's kind of my favorite flavor of this like middle round tight end tier.
21:40But yeah, Fanning's a baller, man. Like the season that he just had as a rookie.
21:46And then so not not only just the season he had as a rookie, but then that you get a new coaching staff coming in.
21:54You have the GM and Todd Monken comparing him to Brock Bowers. You have them not not just that, but also them
22:01not making a move to add like a serious every down inline Y tight end, which just tells you that Fanning's going to
22:08play that role despite any potential blocking deficiencies you might want to nitpick.
22:14That's really bullish. I totally hear it. It ultimately does just come down to like offense expectation for me and what like breaks the tie. But there there's a
22:23great case for either of them, I think.
22:26>> So we're two picks away and I think there's two players that really stand out for me here at the 607. So I think
22:32we'll get one of them.
22:34Let's wait and see what the and let's you know, we don't necessarily need to even talk about player number three, Ryan, cuz he might come back around.
22:41I'll throw one other player into consideration just as the swing for the fences guy.
22:46But let's see which way this team goes at the 606.
22:50About 30 seconds left on the clock.
22:52Okay. So this it's Ryan Ryan, listen listen, it's this is this is it here. This is we we argued about this player, but I think at
23:00the 607 he's clearly the the value on the board here. I think we jump into Jonathan Brooks here. This is right in line with
23:08I think your comfort level for him. Uh where are you at on this?
23:13>> No, it is. We can I absolutely give give you my blessing to click the draft button on Jonathan Brooks >> Okay. There we go.
23:20There we go.
23:21>> I was kind of ranting about this on Twitter this morning that Theo is referring to uh where and to be clear
23:30like my engagement with like the cutting edge of the high stakes fantasy football ADP markets is basically that I follow Theo on Twitter. I I do not I'm not as
23:40plugged into this like side of fantasy football nearly as much as Theo is. Um but yeah, my kind of
23:49perception from what I'd seen and like what other analysts were just tweeting in terms of where they're willing to rank Jonathan Brooks now uh
23:58was that people were putting him up kind of in that round five tier with a DeAndre Swift, with a Bashaul Tou in,
24:05with like a Bucky Irving, like all of those kind of running backs. Uh I would I'm very against that. I think Brooks is
24:12clearly a worse bet than anyone in that range. I largely because all of those are just better offenses. We are at a
24:20point with Brooks now where I've been ahead on his ADP pre-Hubbard injury just because I believed yeah, he's a more explosive player than Hubbard. He's a
24:31He's very likely a better receiver from what we saw from him in college, from what we've seen from Hubbard in the
24:36league. I like I totally buy that he was going to take over the backfield at some point and I had him ranked aggressively
24:43accordingly.
24:44So, but the Hubbard injury doesn't actually change that much. It just kind of brings the timeline up. It just makes it a lot more likely that he has like a
24:52strongly projectable week one role. Uh but I could say that I would say that about all of those other players, all
24:59those other names I just mentioned. So, uh, on a build like this where we already have a Derrick Henry, I I think
25:07Brooks is a totally reasonable pick as our RB2 here to swing for the fences a little bit.
25:13Ramondre Stevenson is the guy that I haven't ranked him ahead of just because I think Stevenson fits more builds. He fits like the catch-up build. I think
25:23the overall upside is relatively similar between the two of them. Of course, lean to Ramondre for the better offense. But, yeah, I mean, arguably Henderson,
25:35depending what you think of that whole situation, is more of a threat for touches down the stretch. But, that that's like where he should be
25:42considered, in my opinion. It is like if I rank him right behind Stevenson, and if you draft him ahead of that, it
25:49should be because your team allows you to take that upside swing.
25:52>> Yeah, I mean, I think in an ideal world, Jonathan Brooks is your running back three, and in your flex is a better than
25:57on your RB2, but I think for theoretical unknown upside, he's as good as anybody in this range, especially with Chuba Hubbard, a player who's been kind of a
26:05compiler, lacks explosive runs, not a great receiver, versus Brooks who has all this juice in the passing game, and Dave Canales sort of has talked about
26:13it. For the podcast listening audience, it goes Tray Sermon Henderson, then Judarian Price, Jonathan Brooks, Ramondre Stevenson, a mini running back
26:21run inside of round six, uh, with Tucker Kraft in the middle of those guys. Then we get a wide receiver run. Jameson
26:28Williams would have been really fun.
26:29Jordan Tyson would have been really fun.
26:31A lot of fun wide receivers just went off the board. George Kittle also would have been a really fun tight end two.
26:37He's gone now, as well. Um, we we have a really uh, fun upside team here. Tony Pollard just goes, "Okay, so Ryan, I
26:45know we talked about this, and we talked about the siren call. But, I think at this point we can do it if if if you
26:51want. It's It's I mean, waiting on QB is the way to go, but we have this correlation bet with Derrick Henry. We have a chance to
27:01take his quarterback here.
27:03Um and I don't see an edge pick. You don't like Isaiah Likely. So, I don't want to twist your arm and make you take
27:09Isaiah Likely.
27:10He would be my pick of the position players. Do you see another player you really want to push? Or do you want to
27:15go with quarterback and and break what we talked about?
27:19>> I'm very cool with going quarterback here. The only other player I'd put up for consideration would be a Chris Godwin, probably. But, I'm
27:28totally cool with our build and we're getting him four rounds after Josh Allen. I'm very fine with I'm very fine with that with Lamar Jackson.
27:37>> I think we can get a wide receiver similar to Chris Godwin around eight.
27:40Let's take Lamar Jackson. Okay, so this was not We talked about this and I talked about this with Scott Barrett in the when we did our FFPC Main Event.
27:49And it was Yeah, wait on QB, guys. Wait on QB, but Lamar Jackson we get the correlation with with Derrick Henry.
27:55It's sort of a double bet on the Baltimore Ravens. I think there's the it's positive sort of there's been studies on correlation between running
28:03back and quarterback, but I think when it's the rushing upside quarterbacks like that that bet gets a little bit easier to make. It's a double bet on
28:11Baltimore with Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson. Waiting on quarterback, I've had FFPC builds where I wait till like round 12 and get my quarterback then and
28:20it's worked out fantastic. But, I do think in round seven the fact that we're talking about players that are not necessarily edge picks like Chris
28:29Godwin is more I feel like a structural pick. Um Isaiah Likely I really like, Ryan does not. You have a bunch of these
28:36bets in round seven that are very similar to the bets in round eight, very similar to the bets in round nine. So, I
28:43feel like us passing up on a Chris Godwin is not like a break us type deal.
28:48With Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry, if you run pure in weeks 15 through 17 and you get spike week after spike week
28:54after spike week, you could theoretically move way, way up in an overall contest like this. So, that's it. And I do have Drake Maye and Jayden
29:02Daniels right in line with with Lamar Jackson, if not ahead of them in my own rankings. I did a big rankings update.
29:10Drake Maye's my QB2, Daniel's my three, Lamar Jackson my four. But they're all so close in my rankings. Ryan, you have
29:16Lamar Jackson as your QB2 though and you have him as a viable threat to Josh Allen.
29:24>> Yeah, I mean, he he led all quarterbacks in fantasy points per game before he had his lower body injury last year. I mean,
29:31that that was only a few games and he didn't play well when he came back from injury. I think it's it's absolutely true of Lamar Jackson
29:39that defenses do not treat him the same way when the run threat is not there.
29:45But when it is, like if these two guys, Lamar Jackson plus Derrick Henry, run pure, that's just like one of the most
29:51broken like match-up cheat codes that exist in the NFL. As we saw in the 2024 season. And yeah, I think the
30:00correlation between quarterback and even like a non-pass catching running back from a seasonal perspective is underrated. People, especially like in
30:11DFS, people are often saying, "Well, I don't want to play Lamar Jackson plus Derrick Henry because Derrick Henry's not going to
30:19catch any passes. They're taking touchdowns away from each other." But A, for like a 99th percentile outcome, that hasn't been true. Those guys have
30:28been optimal together in plenty of weeks over the last couple years.
30:33And yeah, from a season-long perspective, it's just a bet on the Ravens having one of the best offenses in the NFL.
30:40And I say this like in on Underdog when people are saying, "Oh, well, I want to draft like a Tony Pollard or
30:49like a running back on like kind of a two down back on like a not as great team." I'm like, "You should be drafting
30:54their quarterback as well. Like you should be doing Tony Pollard and Cam Ward because you need the Titans to be a
31:01better team, a better offense than expected for that pick to work out. You may as well bet on it in both ways." Um
31:08But yeah, I I think obviously this is like the much more exciting version of that bet, but I yeah, I think you're
31:14smart for bringing it up here.
31:16>> Yeah, I mean, I get it and and we when you wait on quarterback, a lot of times you the the two-for-twos end up being
31:21pretty good. And but in this case, I think we can we can live with it. Uh shout out to Tom Strachan who's in the
31:27chat over here on YouTube. Tom is a a great best ball mind. I highly recommend all of his podcasts.
31:35Um R.J. Harvey goes off the board. I know you had him in the queue, Ryan, sort of a poor man's Jonathan Brooks
31:41outcome. Uh you've sort of talked about that. We avoid having to have that sort of our argument. Um and again, if you
31:47want to play against Ryan and I in the FFPC and you are a new sign-up, use the code Theo25, get $25 off. And if you
31:55want to play in the Big Gorilla or the Main Event, I dropped a Main Event and Big Gorilla Targets by round article
32:03that I'm updating throughout the the summer, sort of players that I I consider priority targets, players I consider targets. And Ryan, I'll say I
32:10hit on priority target Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson, Harold Fannin, Jonathan Brooks.
32:16Lamar Jackson I don't have in there because I don't want to consider him when he's in the round five, round six,
32:21but round seven completely open-minded to it. I'm also going to have to redo the article cuz Jonathan Brooks' ADP is going to move up. Ryan, we are going to
32:29track this one and I will get in in your DMs for sure.
32:32Um we see Blake Corum, R.J. Harvey, Chuba Hubbard go off the board, Courtland Sutton, Joe Burrow. We're going to see a quarterback run. Ryan, I
32:39have a couple guys in the queue here.
32:41I'm open-minded to several of them.
32:44Uh I think it's the guy at the top who I know is boring, but I'm into Um if you want to go with a I think the
32:52two tight ends are also interesting, but we need to get play a little bit of catch-up here at the running back position.
32:59Um so, I think I'd like him more than the running backs that I think will be there in round nine if he's there, and I
33:06think the tight ends there's going to be some interesting tight ends in round nine. I just put one more in the queue,
33:13and I think your guy could be there potentially as well the way this board is settling.
33:18So, I I think we should take J.K.
33:19Dobbins here.
33:22>> I think I agree. That's He's not like my favorite pick to make, but structurally I think this makes sense if you're
33:31waiting this long on RB2 and going with the Jonathan Brooks. I think you want like a stable early season presence there. Dobbins certainly fits that. Uh
33:42yeah, I'm I'm totally good with him here. The only My other consideration would be Rashad White, uh but I I think
33:48if you're a little more bearish on White based on >> I like them I like them both.
33:53>> news, that's fine. Yeah.
33:54>> I think we're still open to to Rashad White. I think there's a chance he's there in round nine. I've taken him in
33:58round eight. I think the Stefon Diggs has sort of pushed him down a little bit. Let's take Dobbins, and I think
34:05White is absolutely still in play for round nine, and I put in a couple of guys in in the queue that I know you're
34:11into.
34:12>> Yeah.
34:12>> One of them I One of them who who's number three in the queue I don't even like, but I think it's a
34:18good bet with this team. Um and then I put one of your favorite guys sort of at five in the queue that I'm very very
34:25open-minded to. I'm going to add in one more guy that I think you're going to like that I think we'd be playing kind
34:30of chicken to see if he's there in round 10. If we want him, might want to just take him in the ninth. So so for the
34:36podcast listening audience, fun team Jackson Smith-Njigba in the first round, Derrick Henry in round two, Chris Olave in round three, Garrett Wilson in round
34:45four, Harold Landry in round five, Jonathan Brooks in round six, Lamar Jackson in round seven, JK Dobbins in round eight, Rashaad White does go one
34:54pick later, Kyle Monangai two picks later. So we're going to see a little bit of running back clean up. After our
34:59Lamar Jackson pick, Drake May, Joe Burrow, and Jayden Daniels all go. We're going to see a few more of these quarterbacks go off the board. Um your
35:08thoughts on this team, Ryan?
35:10>> Yeah, I really like it so far. I think we have drafted very well structurally.
35:16We haven't uh kind of gone super far uh into like one direction. We've always pulled it back and played catch-up where
35:23we need to. Uh I I guess I am just like looking at this board and thinking had we gone with Trey McBride over Derrick
35:30Henry, would we have liked how this team turned out as much? Uh we probably would have had to pull up a running back in
35:37>> have taken maybe Breece or you would have maybe gone Breece Hall Breece Hall and or Cam Akers. So I think the
35:43two-for-twos are fine, but you you have a lot of conviction on Derrick Henry, so I don't mind it. Um really really fun
35:48one. Q J was in our queue. He goes at the 8.12. I think that's pretty good value for him.
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36:32Ryan, our queue's getting a little bit beat up here, but we still have a couple of bullets.
36:37Which way are you leaning here?
36:40I think that I prefer the the two wide receivers, but if you want to lean into the structure, I think he's not going to be there in
36:50round 10.
36:52If you want to lean into the correlation, we can. Or if you want to just go with the most dangerous pick. I
36:56think it's probably Jayden Reed for me.
36:59I'm open-minded to Stefon Diggs as well.
37:02And then the other player we could sort of talk about him if we pass him up.
37:07>> Yeah, let's We can I think we're okay in terms of the first guy in the queue.
37:14So let's go with Jayden Reed here and I think we can catch up on in terms of that other position.
37:20There'll be enough to do after him.
37:23>> Yeah, I mean we made a big bet on Harold Landry Jr. So you know, I think we're pretty good. There's going to be a few
37:28tight ends coming up. There's also going to be some other other wide receivers, but you've sort of talked about Jayden Reed
37:34as as a player you you're very open-minded to. You've talked about him pretty much for like 6 months now. Why don't you share sort of what an upside
37:42outcome season looks like for him and the value he sort of presents to us in a potential flex role?
37:49>> So there are kind of two things that have been happening with Jayden Reed for the last handful of seasons that have
37:55been depressing the upside and kind of making him be a guy that like analysts are constantly talking about but that never like seems to put put it all
38:04together.
38:06One is that he has basically never played in two receiver sets, so he can only really be on the field when the
38:13Packers are in 11 personnel. And second is that the even beyond that, the Packers have just used this wide receiver rotation where we would get all
38:23of these Dontayvion Wicks snaps, we would get all of these Bo Melton snaps that nobody asked for. Savion Williams, like there would always just be this
38:31like flux of names kind of with the Packers like rotating through five different wide receivers at three starting spots.
38:39That is very likely not happening anymore.
38:43Matt LaFleur has been pretty consistent this off season in saying that while they're going to miss Romeo Doubs and Dontayvion Wicks, one of the nice things
38:52is that it means more playing time and more targets for their star players that they can just be a little bit more
38:58concentrated now. And now we're looking at at worst a three receiver set of Christian Watson, Matthew Golden, and Jayden Reed. And I am personally off of
39:09Matthew Golden. To to me he has never shown anything in college in the NFL that makes me think he is a fantasy friendly wide
39:17receiver. He has never commanded anything even approaching the target share or the target per route run that we've seen from a Watson and a Reed. So
39:25even if it is only Reed in three receiver sets and the Packers lean a little more in that direction this year,
39:32which I think makes sense given their personnel now, then that's great for Reed. He could like approach a season high in routes.
39:40Whenever that happens, Reed will be a very strong fantasy pick. Or he could simply overtake a Matthew Golden in two receiver sets. From preseason usage last
39:49night, that wasn't what we saw, but I'm at least open to it. I don't think it's a done deal like it is with a Josh
39:55Downs, but yeah, down here in a league that has like some additional flex spots and you want like a little bit more of like an an upside
40:04hit from wide receiver, I think Reed like fits this build very perfectly. And he's going to kind of let us I I think I
40:11feel very strong about like this kind of group of starters and flex options we have. So we I think we can do fun stuff
40:18in terms of like filling out our bench now and maybe platooning some tight ends. We'll see what we do up here, but
40:24I think we can go anyway now.
40:27>> Yeah, big a shout out to Mark Lambert in the chat who was talking about Jacquory Crosskery Merritt if he came back to us.
40:33He goes off the board. He would have been a really fun pick in round 10. I think the market is leaning into
40:39Crosskery Merritt. I think I'm way more open-minded than you are on Matthew Golden. Actually wouldn't have like completely minded the double tap. I
40:46think it's a strong bet. My Just my whole take with Green Bay is there's so much contingent contingent value when it
40:53comes to the wide receiver position where if one goes down Savion Williams would be on the field in like three wide
40:59receiver sets. I think he's got a really limited ceiling in terms of targets he could take on. And I think Golden the
41:04potential he's a full-time player there with Reed still being like annoyingly used as as a three wide receiver set 11 personnel
41:12only guy even though the drum beats are there that you could see him in more two wide receiver sets. You've also got
41:17Tucker Kraft where if Kraft goes down and there's re-aggravation there, there's no Luke Musgrave this year. So it's going to be like a complete zero at
41:25tight end. So I'm kind of into Golden, but we don't need to consider him here.
41:29Again, he might be gone by the time we pick. We see Debo Samuel go off the board, Casey Concepcion. Stefon Diggs
41:36was in our queue. We are three picks away here. I like a couple of these guys in the queue.
41:44I think we've got uh some really fun options when we get here.
41:48Okay, so we're we are OTC here. I I think for for us here we can play this and potentially get two
41:56of these guys, Ryan.
41:58Um I think for me now is probably the time if you want to take Mark Andrews, we take him right now.
42:06>> I want to take him. Let's do it.
42:07>> Okay.
42:07>> That's fine.
42:08>> take Mark Andrews. I love the I love player number three.
42:12And I think number three can be there at 11:06. I think number four number four, too.
42:16>> names I wrote down before this draft, Theo, was that player number three that you have. So, yes, that's >> Okay. So, we're on the same page. We're
42:23on the >> board.
42:25Yeah.
42:25>> Andrews? I mean, for me, Mark Andrews, this is just a For me, it's a structural pick. We made a double bet on Baltimore.
42:31Now, we have a triple bet on Baltimore.
42:33Um you know, I much prefer guys like Dallas Goedert to him this year. I mean, I could be completely wrong about Mark
42:40Andrews. I just don't love the the edge he presents this year. But again, now when we're we're when we're in positive
42:48matchups for Baltimore, and besides Zay Flowers, they don't necessarily have a secondary pass catcher. It feels like Justice Hill has a real chance to be the
42:58highly used wide receiver there. It's Rashod Bateman. It's Elijah Serratt.
43:01It's Tez Walker. Uh maybe a little Justice Hill out of the backfield. Not much maybe with this staff. So, and Mark
43:07Andrews, it's Mark Andrews and a bunch of tight ends they're trying to break in. There's no Charlie Kolar. There's certainly no Isaiah Likely. Um where is
43:14your enthusiasm level for Andrews? Do you view it like I do structurally, or do you think this it could be a
43:19potential edge?
43:21>> I Right now, if you asked me, like, Ryan, which tight end should I kind of draft later in my home league draft,
43:28Andrews is not one of them. I But I mean, I get the case for him, right?
43:33He's on one of the best offenses in the NFL, and he's the effectively the only red zone target that we've ever seen get get actual
43:41targets uh in the red zone that it that is on this offense right now. Like, the touchdown equity could be insane with
43:48Andrews, even if he is uh kind of a declining uh closer to part-time player.
43:54So, in this format uh where it's tight end premium, you can have like the deeper benches to kind of platoon your
44:03tight ends and play the matchups potentially uh in like playing Mark Andrews stacked with Lamar into shootouts,
44:12like in the playoff weeks of this format sounds amazing to me. I I think he's worth it like just for that fact of
44:20having that kind of optionality. And who knows, he could come out in week one and have like a better role, more like a higher route share than
44:28we've seen from him in previous seasons.
44:31I'm not like entirely ruling that out, so yeah, I think just since we've gone so heavy on Ravens, he makes a ton of
44:38sense here.
44:39He's like a a nice kind of second leg useful piece in our tight end room. Uh and yeah, that's that's my thoughts on
44:46him. So, no, he's not someone I'm drafting ahead of a Dalton Kincaid or a Dallas Goedert who I would have been
44:51excited about and probably lobby lobbied for if they'd made it to our pick in the round before where we picked Jayden Reed. I think where we got
45:00Andrews is great and he makes a ton of sense for this team.
45:03>> So, we get sniped on MarShawn Lloyd and I think if we didn't have Lamar Jackson, MarShawn Lloyd would have been the pick
45:09in round 10. Uh he goes at the 10.12.
45:12So, we sort of rolled the dice and he'd come back in the 11th round. We're still only at three running backs with this
45:19build, but I think a fun three running backs with Derrick Henry, Jonathan Brooks, JK Dobbins. We're going to have to hit some running back values. We have
45:26two tight ends. We're at four wide receivers. Very balanced here.
45:30Juwan Johnson goes off the board. That was another player we had in the queue.
45:34Would have been so sort of a maybe an unnecessary player to take after we took Andrews and Fant, but Juwan Johnson in
45:41tight end premium does have a lot of value. And Ryan, I'll just remind everybody this is where we talk about the siren call in FFPC. Where we took
45:48Lamar Jackson and yeah, the two-for-twos are are fine. It's not like we feel like Chris Godwin missing out on him or I
45:56probably would have preferred Josh Downs. But now you look at the quarterbacks still on the board. I mean, it's it's gross. You get a Dak Prescott,
46:04Brock Purdy, Jared Goff, all these really strong values are going to go in these next couple of rounds. So, just if you're
46:11going to draft FFPC, understand when you do what Ryan and I did, you don't have to do it. You can build your your QB
46:17room with like a double tap in the double digit rounds. We are three picks away.
46:22Um >> Yeah.
46:23The The only two V2 I'm beat up about is the guy that got Jalen Hurts, Josh Downs instead of Lamar Jackson and Jayden
46:30Reed. That That's one that I'd have liked, but the rest I think I'm all right with.
46:35>> Okay, so for me, I I sort of like this is the the thing where we we're partnering up and I think we've already
46:40made a bet. I think we make a second bet here.
46:42And I think we take the the biggest edge pick on the board for me is is the guy at the top of our queue. I know you
46:47don't like him, but 11th round I feel like is a good one and it's sort of a double bet with what we've done with the
46:54other pick.
46:55We could also take player number two in the queue, which I know you like.
47:00Player number three might be their 1207.
47:02Uh we're going to have to start playing catch up at running back though. I would advocate strongly for player number one.
47:08>> Yeah, I'm good with Matthew Golden here.
47:10You can go ahead and hit draft player.
47:12I will say had had Chris Rodriguez gotten to our pick, I would have fought you to draft Chris Rodriguez, which would have been a very funny
47:20kind of role reversal for anyone familiar with my stance on the Jaguars backfield.
47:26>> Yeah, I I also I'll give a I'll give a shout out to a commenter here. My guy Mark Lambert, who I think that was you
47:31Mark, was furious that I had a guest making the pro Chris Rodriguez take. I had a guest who's well known in fantasy made a
47:39very pro Chris Rodriguez take and I've but I've been on the record Ryan. We've been Breaux To 'em guys for six months.
47:46I want people to understand like I'm Breaux To 'em guy, but Chris Rodriguez in round 11, you're open-minded to that Ryan and Ryan, you are Mr. Breaux To 'em
47:55right now.
47:56>> I am Mr. Breaux To 'em, but I mean I have to acknowledge reality which is that in a on a team like this where we
48:04kind of want to stack bets in ambiguous backfields. Chris Rodriguez makes some sense to me. Like I don't think C Rod as a ceiling ever can
48:13is ever getting like the the screen work the receptions that we could potentially see out of a Bashton this year if everything goes
48:21right but it's totally in the range of outcomes that C Rod kind of just hangs on to goal line work for most of the
48:28season and gets enough on the ground that he's like a kind of a startable like member of a platoon at our RB2
48:36slot. Like that totally would have fit this team. The contingent value is awesome. It this is like the backfield I've been that I and I guess everyone
48:44has been the most obsessed with like on a team like this I would have been running to the podium to draft C Rod if
48:50he had lasted two more picks than he did but I'm fine with Golden. After C Rod I really think like it flattens out
48:57considerably at running back so we can kind of go any which way here in terms of catching up there but yeah that that would have been fun
49:06if I if I got to lobby for him.
49:08>> Yeah we're we're there's a few running backs that are interesting. There's also a couple other players in our queue that
49:14I think are interesting.
49:16The one player you added in I understand like you like him but there's no there's really no correlation there. So I don't
49:22know if it's necessary necessarily an edge. There'll be some other guys a little later. I you you added player number three or did I misclick him Ryan?
49:30>> I did not add number three. I only added player number two.
49:33>> That's that yeah I don't I I put that evil on you Ryan. There's like I'm like but it was just me misclicking
49:41a big shout out to how active our chat is. If you're listening on the podcast come check out the YouTube tube feed as
49:47well. We are at over 40,000 uh Ryan came on earlier this uh this I think that was in August, Ryan, or was
49:56that in July? It doesn't matter. This summer, Ryan joined us here. That show did great. Uh big shout out to all the
50:01people supporting the show, and also all the guests I've had on. It's been a great summer here at Rotowire. I podcasted with Ryan about a million
50:09times at this point. Um and make sure you're checking out all the work he's putting over at Fantasy Points. Really one of the best writers there is in
50:16fantasy football, period. Uh Ryan, you I hope the FSWA gives you the award this year. I was talking about it with Scott
50:21Barrett. I mean, what are these guys thinking, man? What are these guys thinking? Give Give Ryan the award. It's over. Might as
50:27well not write another article over at Fantasy Points this year. You've done enough. Uh Jonah Coleman goes, "That would have been a player that I would
50:32have really liked in round 12." Double bet with JK Dobbins. I think double tapping the Denver Broncos room when you don't have to reach on a guy,
50:41it's very viable because JK Dobbins, we know the injury history.
50:46RJ Harvey, I think he's a huge wide range of outcomes guy. And uh Jonah Coleman is sort of the the mystery wild
50:53card here.
50:54We're three picks away. Uh there's a couple of really fun uh players in our in our queue still.
51:01For me, number three is the upside pick, though. I think he's really good. And I think he's uh potentially huge viable player. We
51:10already had a little injury scare with the player ahead of him. Again, it was a a minor note, but a guy who's a little
51:16bit older.
51:18Player two is really, really strong upside swing if we want to go there.
51:22Player number one, obviously, I'm open to him. He's uh he's the goat. Um player number four is really more of a 13-round
51:29consideration for me.
51:31I put one more 13th-round guy in there.
51:34What's your lean here, Ryan?
51:37>> I think player number three, based on the team we've built so far, should be our priority, and then we try to get
51:44player number two in round 13. Uh I'm okay with missing out on him if we are just trying to yeah, push it like that.
51:53I'd I'd be disappointed, but I yeah, I think I I think the Okay, now we're on the clock.
52:00I think Tank Bigsby makes the most sense here for for our build and then the player we have above him in the queue, I
52:06think would be next round.
52:08>> Yeah, I think we got to be prepared to lose him. We'll see if he's there in round 13, but Tank Bigsby we both I
52:15podcast with Ryan Paganetti. I know he's come on your channel. He's sort of sung the praises of Tank Bigsby. I put out
52:21like a positive thing on on X about Tank Bigsby where Bigsby last year was just terrific in terms of like a lot of the
52:28analytical stats in terms of running the football. He was sort of ahead of Saquon Barkley on on a lot of stats and there's
52:34drumbeats that I think he's going to be mixed in. Not a guy that we're we're going to want to start. But if Saquon
52:40Barkley were to miss time, Tank Bigsby would be a top 15, maybe even a top 12 running back based on the
52:47quality of the offense, quality of the offensive line, the running threat of Jalen Hurts. Getting him as our running back four, we're sort of having to make
52:55a bold case for him, but he's good at football and he's in a really good offense and we're going to start seeing
53:01these handcuffs fly off the board. We had Woody Marks in the queue. We had Tyjae Spears in the queue. Again, we
53:06talked about Jonah Coleman.
53:08We're we're going to start seeing running backs fly and fly. So, I think that was the correct move to make and it
53:14takes a little bit of the pressure off of us.
53:18And I think we can also I'll throw in one guy in the queue just for for late for us to for this
53:23team we should consider. I'm going to throw in a couple more guys in.
53:28>> Yeah, I'm throwing I just threw one in that we might consider later.
53:33Um not married to it, but just so we don't forget about it.
53:37>> I think it's fine. I think it's fine. I mean, I think we're we're in great shape there.
53:42Uh I think we're thinking you're thinking edge and upside whenever you can here and really I I had this conversation with Ben Gretch where
53:50we get so captivated into like which guys should we take in this round and there goes Terrance Ferguson. We would have loved to have gotten him.
53:57>> Ah.
53:57>> Uh, Terrance Ferguson he's a priority target for me in my FFPC article over rotowire.com.
54:03Really really like him a great deal uh, especially in this range like a theoretical big-time asset at the tight end position and then it sort of gets
54:12way way more boring at the position.
54:14I'll throw one other guy that I think is a fun structural pick here at four.
54:19Um, really good counting stats last year. His role is pretty solid.
54:24Uh, we are pretty open-minded to a number of guys here Ryan.
54:28I'm going to pull up one more guy that I think is really fun.
54:33And he was actually taken. So this is the problem with these live drafts. I missed a couple of the picks.
54:38We're we're sort of wide open here in terms of which way we can go.
54:46>> Is there So I guess I'll ask you this.
54:49Is there anything and we you don't have to say names, but is is there anything at tight end that you that excites you
54:57after Terrance Ferguson is off the board? Do you have like priority targets after that?
55:03>> Yeah, I mean my my >> I don't think you need to add Yeah, go for it.
55:06>> My guy I have it My guy I have it four in the queue.
55:09It's not something that's going to like get us all excited, but you look at his counting stats last year. You look at
55:15like what the team's trying to do this year. I think like if you want to grab a tight end uh, Dalton Schultz is fun. I have one
55:23other sort of break glass in case of emergency tight end that I like as well that could goes a little bit later. Um,
55:30there's a couple of late tight end bets that I think are interesting, but if you want to catch up structurally I think he's the play
55:38And I don't think there's another player like I would advocate for player number three uh or number four. If you want to go
55:45with an upside quarterback, the player at the very top, Bo Nix and Jared Goff are both strong QB2 bets, but we don't
55:51really need a QB2. We've already made our bed with Lamar. So, I'd say for me it's Dalton Schultz or Rashid Shaheen.
55:58>> Yeah, I think we go Schultz and just be done at tight end.
56:01>> Yeah, that's fine.
56:02>> cool with that. Yeah, I I've I really feel like it's Terrance Ferguson is like Terrance Ferguson and Aronde Gadsden are like the
56:10last trains to leave the station at tight end for me. Those are the guys that I want as my tight end stashes in
56:17deeper formats. Uh with Gadsden, I understand it's not great that he's uh playing with the twos, but he's not like a guy you're looking to start in week
56:26one anyway. The bet there is really that uh through whether through attrition or through uh just Mike McDaniel trying different things as the season goes on
56:35that he works his way into a role. Uh that was what had to happen with Jonnu Smith when he had his insane breakout
56:43with uh >> [laughter] >> with Mike McDaniel. That was largely what happened to Darren Waller. Uh I guess including an injury early in the
56:50season for him.
56:51But, it doesn't like Gadsden doesn't need to pan out in week one. Like he he can be a guy that pops later in the
56:58season in a deeper format where you can hold him all year. That's something I'm fine with. Um I prefer Ferguson at this
57:03point. Uh yeah, just based on recent events, but he's those are like the last like upside tight ends to me. I I think once they're
57:11off the board, I'm totally cool with saying, "Yeah, we we we were good at tight end here. Like we kept up. We can
57:17just kind of cap it off with a Dalton Schultz um and then just not worry about it for the rest of the draft cuz I yeah,
57:23there's no other names after that that get me particularly excited now.
57:28>> I'm surprised you haven't been uh Jacob Gibbs-pilled onto player number five in our queue who Jacob is like I think
57:35that's his his his white whale at the tight end position from some of the analytics.
57:42>> Yeah, I [sighs] I I get it. I think player number five is going to run a lot of routes um but
57:49that's like the nicest thing I feel like I can say about him. I don't know. I haven't heard the Jacob Gibbs case for
57:54him so maybe I should >> a couple of He's got a couple of remarkably good stats backing him up.
58:01Um so yeah, we'll we'll we'll talk about him. We'll talk about him. The chat's already talking about him. So uh if you're if you're in our draft, the
58:08chat is talking about him but uh and and people are making fun of my Dalton Schultz is is fun. There's nothing really fun about him but
58:15structurally he is fun and look, the counting stats on Dalton Schultz were there from last year. I really like Jayden Higgins. I've drafted uh Jayden
58:24Higgins. Yeah, I don't want to be associated with Dalton Schultz but when we look at tight end premium, how effective Dalton Schultz was last year,
58:32I had Dalton Schultz on like uh some dynasty benches and I was able to use him. Really strong year for me in
58:37dynasty last year in FFPC. Schultz had over 80 receptions. This is tight end premium.
58:43Uh there's a chance that that regresses significantly but he was pretty good last year in this sort of format. Not a
58:50player that gives you a whole lot of upside but I think structurally he helps you get there. We're at three tight ends
58:55like Ryan said, we don't feel any pressure here at the tight end position now that we have these three guys. And
59:02Tom Strackan called me a Dalton Schultz stan. I'm I'm ruined here guys. I'm effectively ruined >> Yeah.
59:08Don't put it in the newspaper that Theo is a Dalton Schultz stan but I I did hear that.
59:12>> it. I'm going to rock I'm going to rock the jersey. Uh shout out from Rubio, they're talking about Juwan Jordan in in
59:19Houston.
59:20Pizza Machine who was furious at our Lamar Jackson pick likes the Schultz pick.
59:26Um the active chat here, really appreciate you guys making these uh drafts a lot more fun. I'm I'm doing back-to-backs here, Ryan. This is not
59:33one, this but two drafts here. Drafting with Mike Shope tonight. I love Mike Shope. I'm going on his radio show at
59:404:00. So, if you're in Western New York or Upstate New York, Mike doesn't want me to call it Upstate New York, but it's
59:45Buffalo. Don't you people from Buffalo consider yourselves to be in Upstate New York? You're way higher than we are on Long Island. Uh, Western New York, I'm
59:52going to be on WGR with Mike and the Bulldog this afternoon. And then, Mike Shope's joining me at 7:00. We're doing
59:58an FFPC Main Event. We don't have our draft slot. Ryan, what's your least favorite draft slot when you look at some of these FFPC ADPs?
60:07>> Uh, I think the roughest one is like seven or eight for me, just because I don't I don't have like the strongest
60:15feeling in like round one there. And then, it's like in round two, you're kind of having to pick between running backs that I have ranked really closely
60:23together. So, that's probably my least favorite. I'm kind of good with anywhere else though, drafting this year. I I don't think I I think one and two is
60:30clearly best, but I don't think it's super unbalanced, um, like as some people make it sound.
60:37>> I mean, I think for me, the edge pick here is probably going with an elite defense.
60:43And the Rams defense could easily be the best in football. Denver also, I'm open-minded to Denver was fantastic last year, and they have a fantastic pass
60:54rush.
60:55That's probably my lean is defense.
60:58Unless you want to lock up quarterback two, but I think we have multiple guys in in in quarterback two that could be
61:04there at fifth in the 15th round. All of the running backs we have in the queue, I think could be there in the 15th round
61:09as well.
61:10Um, I'm I sort of lean defense here, Ryan. Where are you at?
61:14>> You know the format better than me. I don't play many defenses so >> Denver or LA. Denver or Denver or LA,
61:21which one do you like the most?
61:22>> I'll I'll go LA I'll go LA for yeah.
61:24>> Okay.
61:25>> Let's do LA.
61:25>> the we took the Rams defense.
61:28We also get the free look. So, if you're if you haven't played in some of these FFPC NFFCs, you get a free look. So, the Seattle New
61:39England game and also the Rams and San Francisco game, you can take players in and out of your lineup. So, it's a nice
61:46little little fun caveat where the Rams defense if the 49ers come out and hang 35 on them and we get like an like hey,
61:54let's root for that in fantasy. Let's root for a 35 to 30 game Ryan and start the season off right, then we can take
62:00the Rams out of our lineup and put someone else in, pick them up off the waiver wire. It's just a nice thing to
62:06have. So, it's really fun if you're breaking ties in the second half of drafts, looking to grab guys like Keyshawn Boutte, guys like Tory Horton,
62:15uh just the the chance that they put up a spike week. Jake Tonjes is a really fun uh theoretical bet, especially if
62:22George Kittle might not play week one.
62:24We see a few more QBs go off the board.
62:26We're going to have to uh play catch-up a little bit at running back. I think we will draft a second quarterback. Not a
62:33whole lot of pressure there. There's one that stands out very, very uh well for us. Um especially with our build Ryan if he's
62:42there based on a couple guys we drafted.
62:45>> Yes. Yeah, I like that call a lot um that you just made. Uh the only guy that I might
62:55be like kind of pounding the table for at this point uh out outside of that uh is player number two in the queue,
63:03which I've I'm so happy that we have found a format where I I can like have a take on this player and feel really strongly about
63:11it, but we can get to it uh when when we get up on the clock maybe. Um I don't I don't know what you're
63:16>> Devil's here.
63:17>> Yeah. Like I had this conversation with with Scott, I've had this conversation with Nelson Sousa and Allen, and other people, Dan Williamson, people I draft
63:25with and people who I talk draft strategy with.
63:29One of the problems is you're kind of pot-committed to keeping him on your bench. And it's you're going to want to play that waiver
63:35wire early on. It's sort of I'm probably a little more open-minded to him next round than this round. I think there's
63:42kind of better bets to make for kind of our structure.
63:45I think Mike Washington went off the board, he would have been a really fun pick for us. I think number four is
63:51really a good pick for us here. And obviously number five would be a good pick. I haven't really been paying attention to the board, I've been
63:57looking at our queue.
64:00A lot of teams already have their second quarterback.
64:03So I think we can sort of risk it and push him back around. Team number 12 only has one quarterback.
64:11Everyone else has two quarterbacks. So Ray Davis goes there, that would have been my pick here.
64:17Uh, Ray Davis is gone.
64:19>> Yeah, and I think we can push that quarterback because the other obvious, uh, the other teams that might be interested
64:26have two quarterbacks as well, it looks like already. Yes. So I think we can wait on that quarterback.
64:33>> Yeah, I think to me it's leaning into one of the two tight ends in the queue is probably the edge
64:41pick for us, Ryan. We get the free look with number five.
64:44And number six is sort of a fun bet to make as another upside bet. I'll also throw in one more player to the bottom
64:52of the queue, which is in sort of direct handcuff territory. And we do need swings here.
64:58Um, obviously the other running back in that backfield is dealing with an injury.
65:02Where is your lean here with this pick?
65:06>> Uh, I don't see the running back you put in the A So you're going to have to call him out.
65:12>> Allen Braylon Allen was the one I put in.
65:15>> Oh, okay. I'm all set with Mr. Braylon Allen. We can We can take Gunnar Helm if we want to go a fourth tight tight end.
65:23Shout out Jacob Gibbs.
65:24>> Yeah, Jacob Gibbs has some I just did recorded a show with Jacob Gibbs. Not sure when he's dropping it, but we did a
65:30hot I've turned I've turned Jacob Gibbs into a hot takes artist. So, he did he came over here we did our bold predictions
65:36here. Now we did a bold predictions over there.
65:40Really really really really fun to record with Jacob.
65:43I know Ryan and Jacob you guys have recorded like 25 times at this point.
65:48But Jacob had some really strong takes on Colston Loveland. I had some on Brock Bowers. And then every time he does his
65:55tight end research, you end up with some like very very cool stats on Gunnar Helm.
66:02So, Ryan you might have to dive into that on Fantasy Points Data and try to see if you could uncover some cool
66:07Gunnar Helm stuff. But now we are probably officially done at tight end. I will say Jake Tonjes if he's there in
66:13round 20 with the free look and the chance that George Kittle might not play, you might get like a 17 point game
66:18out of Jake Tonjes in tight end premium.
66:20So, we can't completely take him off the list, but we are very very fragile at running back. We're pretty strong at
66:27every other position. We only have one quarterback, but we did take the second quarterback off the board. We took quarterback two in this draft, but we
66:35took him in round seven with Lamar Jackson. So, pretty fine value there.
66:40Starting to see a couple more running backs go off the board.
66:43Ryan, I'm going to throw a few more guys in for consideration. Your thoughts on this build and really any other teams
66:50that you you like what they've done in this draft.
66:54>> Yeah, I really like the build.
66:56I think we're we're like towing the line at running back.
67:01But I do think kind of just annoyingly like there were just have been a couple of runs that we've missed on some of
67:07these later guys, but I think we can maybe finish off with an another one or two running back picks. Give us uh
67:14at least like some outs there. Um but yeah, overall I really like the team.
67:21Uh not really good spot to get Lamar Jackson. I'm I'm really not that beat up about going early QB uh even despite your warnings. Um in terms
67:30of other teams that I like I I I really like uh team number one is kind of speaking to me a little bit. Uh the Jahmyr Gibbs,
67:41Colston Loveland, Malik Nabers on the turn is extremely fun.
67:46Uh they kind of yeah, anchor RB2 with David Montgomery.
67:50Yeah, that that's a nice team and they add Terrance Ferguson.
67:53Uh I team number one, I wonder if that I wonder if that guy's a Fantasy Points subscriber. He's kind of drafting like
67:58it.
67:59>> Uh well, according to according to Scott Barrett, every single FFPC Main Event drafter is a Fantasy Points subscriber by this conversation with Scott. But big
68:07big shout out to Scott. We just dropped a great show and um I'm going to be doing an FFPC Main Event draft with
68:12Scott this week. I did one over on the Fantasy Points channel.
68:15Um loved working with you guys over there and continue to podcast with you.
68:18So I think team eight did some cool stuff. Team 10 did some cool stuff.
68:21We'll look at it at the end. Kamari Vidal goes at the 16.02. That's a really disappointing player to see go. Uh he's
68:29starting to move up. I have so much Kamari Vidal in in Best Ball because for a while you were getting him like very
68:35end of the line. Now you're starting to see him go a little bit earlier. So that's disappointing. You see Nicholas Singleton go, Kaylin Black go. You're
68:44starting to see a lot of these players go. And then Pizza Machine said, "What does an edge pick mean?" To me, it's
68:49just a high upside pick that I think structurally gives you an edge or potentially season long gives you an edge. I think some of the picks that
68:56sort of like hard to see them offering any sort of upside, but I think often times I use the the the term edge pick.
69:04It's sort of an undefined thing, but that's sort of where I'm at with it. I'm just used to saying it. And I think it's
69:08really what player when you're picking sort of makes your build the most dangerous. So, for instance, for our team, the Matthew Golden pick, I think
69:16in round 11 was an edge pick. I think that the uh Lamar Jackson pick certainly was an edge pick. So, that's sort of
69:22I'm un- unwrapping it. And apparently I say steaming up too much in ADP. People think that I People think that I say
69:29that too way too much, Ryan. So, I have a couple of like common phrases, edge pick, steaming up, but hey man, we're
69:34just putting them out there in the common vernacular. Um let's uh keep this going. We We've got a number of players
69:41in the queue here. I am going to advocate for my guy at number five here, Ryan, when we're looking at direct
69:45handcuffs.
69:47He could be there in the 17th round, too, if you want to push it and and take I know probably you want to take player
69:51number three in our queue.
69:55>> Um I do. I also but I also feel like there are not that many more direct handcuffs. I I have one that I'm going
70:04to bring up later probably, but I I think if you want to take player number five just owing to the fact that we're
70:12pretty fragile at RB, I think it's fine with me.
70:15>> Let's take him. Let's take him. Let's take Braelon Allen. You know me, I've always been a sucker for Braelon Allen.
70:19I will continue to to add some Braelon Allen shares. At some point, he's going to give us some big week, Ryan. I think,
70:26you know, when when you look at what's going on in the in the New York backfield with Davis dealing with the
70:31knee injury, Braelon Allen I think it is the one there.
70:35Kamani Vidal I will point out. This happened with when I drafted with Jacob Gibbs, we had a Ashton Gentty Omarian Hampton team,
70:43and we sort of pushed uh Kamani Vidal and Mike Washington down a little too far. We ended up getting sniped on both
70:48of those guys. Kamani Vidal I feel like that ADP's trending up. Uh I feel like the the Mike Washington ADP's going to
70:55trend up. It's a clear backup role to Ashton Jeanty and Clint Kubiak offense has been very very running back friendly.
71:04Another couple guys we're seeing really steaming up in ADP is we're seeing Jayden Blue. He goes at the 11 12 in
71:11this one. MarShawn Lloyd goes at the 10 12 in this one. We're going to start seeing some MarShawn Lloyd in round
71:18eight, round nine with drafters who are high volume and trying to play the anti-Josh Jacobs either suspension suspension also banged up with a groin
71:27injury. We're starting to see some kickers go off the board. Cameron Dicker and Jason Myers go off the board.
71:32You need to draft a kicker and a defense. So anybody sort of anybody sort of looking to play like the old Yahoo and
71:40Sleeper cheat code thing where you don't draft a kicker, don't draft a defense, you were unable to do that in this this
71:45format. A lot of hatred in the chat on our Braelon Allen pick. I will I will take the bullet on that one. Ryan tried
71:52to avoid Braelon Allen. You guys can put that one on me. Um Pat Bryant goes at the 16 12. Have you moved him up in your
72:00rankings? I saw him going like the 14th round in an NFFC draft this week.
72:05>> Uh yeah, no, I need to. I am I totally buy into the idea that he could overcome Courtland Sutton and just yeah out out
72:14produce him or out target him this year.
72:16I think that's very much in the cards. I went on a long rant in my draft guide on just kind of how Courtland Sutton was
72:23diminishing down the stretch of last season in every metric that you kind of look at and it was pretty stark. So I'll that's
72:32like really is affecting how I think about the Broncos. And yeah, in deeper formats I think Pat Bryant is clearly the winner of that. I believe I added
72:41the wrong running back to the queue that I meant to.
72:47Hopefully you see what I'm going for here. I just can't seem to find this guy. Maybe maybe he's been drafted already. I don't think he has been,
72:55though.
72:55>> I added a couple of fun guys in there. I have to I added one player at at six uh six in our queue, I think it's super
73:02interesting.
73:03Um because he's got this very very um every down kind of role and there's been some positive vibes. I think we do what
73:11we wanted to do here earlier where we take our QB2 and we take Jordan Love and we have a double bet on Green Bay. We're in round
73:1917.
73:21Jordan Love as the QB2 makes sense and his bye week is not overlapping with with uh Lamar's. I think it's almost a
73:27no-brainer pick.
73:29I'm looking through the other options in the queue. I think pretty much everybody could be there at the 18th round and and
73:34Jordan Love is sort of the last quarterback available that I could see having like just smashing through.
73:40I we're probably not going to ever have to start him, but if we're trying to chase points, you know, double tapping
73:46the Green Bay wide receiver room, potentially viable. Uh I believe Lamar Jackson, correct me if I'm wrong, Lamar has like a week seven bye. I got to pull
73:56that one up.
73:58>> That sounds right to me. Uh I'm not entirely certain, but Jordan Love to me is a really strong type of
74:06>> Yeah, week 13.
74:08>> Jordan Love to me is a very strong uh like super flex or deeper league pick. He's always been by fantasy points
74:16per dropback one of the more efficient quarterbacks in the NFL, which is especially rare for like a pocket passer. Uh it's basically like him,
74:25Brock Purdy, and then like every mobile quarterback that leads that stat every single year, season after season. And with this team that we've drafted where
74:34we've taken multiple Packers pass catchers, I really don't mind leaning into the idea of maybe this Packers team uh with Josh Jacobs banged up and
74:44suspended in the beginning of the year, uh with their defense not uh like fully up to 100% right now.
74:53There's a world where this is a more pass-heavy team than we've been used to from them the last couple of seasons.
75:00Now, with Matt LaFleur, it seems like it's always very run-heavy, very slow-paced, kind of boring for fantasy, but yeah, enough like if the defensive
75:10injuries kind of start to stack up, I I could totally see the Packers like leaning into the pass. I think they're
75:16built to do it if they want to or and or that it could be something they kind of discover this season if they're forced
75:23to. So, that's yeah, a pretty a really strong pick there. I'm glad that we kept pushing Love off and got him anyway,
75:30like two rounds after we started considering him, but I think that was well-executed.
75:36>> Yeah, I think I think we're in good shape here. I think we just bite the bullet and we take player number one in
75:41our queue and and and lock that in.
75:45It's a good enough team that we can afford to do that move. And I think that the other player in that backfield is
75:52probably a little more theoretical.
75:54I think if it was like a one-week absence, the this player would be it and you know, I don't necessarily feel like
76:01it's a necessity to to go about that route, but the fact that we are so pot-invested in Derrick Henry sort of makes me want
76:10to do it here, Ryan.
76:13>> I hear you. The only other name I would put up for consideration would be if I can find this guy. Like
76:22the the draft room is so it's very difficult to actually just search a player in the in this uh draft room with how my computer is
76:30handling it while streaming at the same time.
76:32>> I know, it's weird. FFPC FFPC always gets me on that one. Um it's the other format I'm fine. And uh
76:39shout out, my my Exodia kicker is still on the board here. Scott Barrett always every year Venmo's me an exceptional amount of money for the Exodia kicker
76:47and I release it to him begrudgingly.
76:50He's still on the board here.
76:51Um any interesting Chris Bell injured guy? I do think that Chris Bell in dynasty is a fun one to stash. I
76:59think some of the Caleb Douglas, we've seen him steam up a little bit in ADP recently, especially in NFFC uh where there's three wide
77:07receiver starts. I think Caleb Douglas, you'll start to see him. We are OTC here. Ryan, I think we just do it.
77:14We You know, the idea of of handcuffing it's sort of when you're when you like your team is the time you handcuff and
77:23I don't love Justice Hill, but I think if it was a two-week absence for Derrick Henry, something like a little knock and
77:29they gave him two weeks off, I think it would be Justice Hill. I like Adam Randall, um but I think it's Justice
77:35Hill. You good with Hill here?
77:37>> I'm good with it, yeah. I I think he's fine. Yeah.
77:41>> [laughter] >> I'm not I'm never that excited about Justice Hill, but he fits the team. I'm not going to make too much of a stink
77:46about it. Um so we I assume we're going to be taking your Yeah, we haven't drafted a kicker yet. So we have two
77:52picks left. Uh I assume your Exodia kicker >> Yeah, he if if if he's gone if he's gone, he's gone.
78:01Um we have two picks left. I think there's uh some really fun players in in the queue still.
78:06Uh the player number five has the Excuse me, player number three now has the free look. Uh player number two sort of been my bet. He's kind of
78:15unnecessary at this point.
78:17And uh let me go into the queue and we'll consider a couple of kickers.
78:21I like the thicker kicker, too.
78:24Um and you get the free look with with Harrison Mevis, the thicker kicker.
78:27There's no better nickname than the thicker kicker. How many C's should we use? Cuz you're Ryan, you're you're way younger than I am. When you're when
78:37you're spelling out like thicker kicker, is it like one of these like four C's for thicker? Are you spelling it thicker?
78:43>> least Yeah, at least four if not like five or six C's. You can you can never really go wrong on the number of C's. If you feel
78:51like adding another one, you you just do it as far as I'm concerned. There's no certainly no upper limit on the number
78:57of C's in >> [laughter] >> when you're talking about the thicker kicker.
79:02I disagree though. I think my favorite nickname that I've heard and I I know this is a guy that everyone's like tired
79:08of hearing about and talking about.
79:11It's is the the Kohler bear, Charlie Kohler.
79:14The Kohler bear is an amazing nickname.
79:16I'm sorry. That might that might be my favorite from this off season.
79:19>> We we need the season to start guys.
79:21We're too much Charlie Kolar talk. Um really and and and I'll say this and I think Adam's correct on this where
79:29the like Justice Hill sort of held back Keaton Mitchell at times and it felt like Justice Hill guy.
79:37But Hill's been there a long time.
79:38Here's how we'll add it. I think it's a the caveat is if let's dare I say it, Derrick Henry goes down for the season, then I think they
79:47maybe try to ramp up and go with the rookie. But if it's two weeks, Justice Hill, Lamar Jackson, the familiarity, that's where it is. And and hey, we're
79:57we're probably we're dead with this team potentially unless Jonathan Brooks goes full on 17 points a game or something.
80:03We're probably dead if Derrick Henry misses most of the season. But I'll say two weeks absence, we're we're back OTC Ryan. Do you want to go with
80:11um you know, I like your idea of player number one, but again, I I think it's player number three for me or we take
80:20one of our kicker preferences. We can wait on three till round 20 and go with one of these high upside kickers or do
80:26you want to go with three and three >> take what Let's take your favorite kicker and then we can just debate everybody else in the
80:32queue for the final pick.
80:34>> Okay, so my favorite kicker is Jake Bates, but you also have um Mevis gives you the free look. I Let's go Jake
80:41Bates. It's season-long viability. I don't want to have to stream kickers here. And we get access to to the Lions offense. Uh you know, we always say
80:48draft your Lions even in round 19 with with Jake Bates, but the thicker kicker would have been would have been good,
80:54too. And then we have one pick left here. This has been really fun today, uh Ryan. I'm sure this won't be the last
81:01time I'm dragging you on the show. Um let's go through our team just for everyone.
81:05It's Jaxon Smith-Njigba in the first round, Derrick Henry in round two, Chris Olave in round three, Garrett Wilson in round four, Harold Landry Jr. in round
81:14five, Jonathan Brooks falls all the way to 607, arguably the greatest value we're going to see on Jonathan Brooks for the rest
81:21of the summer, Lamar Jackson in the seventh round, really strong value for us.
81:26We had planned on going late at quarterback, but hey, here we are. Uh and then we have JK Dobbins in round
81:31eight, Jaden Reed in round nine, Mark Andrews we took in round 10. Ryan, that's one where I think if we could
81:38have gone like the two-for-twos here, we would like our team more if we would have taken Keaton Mitchell or Marshawn Lloyd or De'Shawn Stripling. That's like
81:45the one pick I wish we could have gotten back. Um we leaned into the correlation, the stack with Andrews and hey, maybe it
81:51pays off for us, but I think season-long viability, Marshawn, Stripling, even even like Rodriguez would have been fun. Keaton Mitchell would have been
81:59great there. But then we get uh Matthew Golden, Tank Bigsby.
82:04We go two tight ends in round 13 and 15 with Dalton Schultz and Gunner Helm, the Rams defense in round 14.
82:12Uh then we go back going back to 16th round, we go Braelon Allen.
82:16Then we get Jordan Love, so we have Jordan Love with Matthew Golden and Jaden Reed, really strong quarterback two value in round 17, Justice Hill for
82:25the handcuff, Jake Bates in round 19 and now we're coming up on the 20th round. If you're watching this on YouTube, make sure you
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82:45big rankings update this weekend. If you're playing FFPC, I'm going to have to update the the targets article because a couple of these guys are
82:53moving up in ADP and a couple are moving down Ryan. So, that's going to be sort of a fluid article. Ryan, you just
82:58dropped a free article.
83:01>> Sorry, what did you say? You just cut out for a second there.
83:03>> You just dropped a free article, I believe, that people have access to.
83:06>> Yes, yeah. Been dropping a few like quicker free articles on fantasypoints.com.
83:12Just dropped one about just the most predictive running back stats. So, if you see people citing running back stats on the internet or if you just want to
83:22argue with people and tell them this is predictive and this isn't. That's a great article. That's a great reference.
83:27It's just called what stats actually matter for running backs in fantasy football. There will be There's a quarterback version out already. There will be wide receiver and
83:36tight end versions as well. But yeah, I mean the kind of the big jewels over at Fantasy Points are Anatomy of a League
83:43Winner, my massive article. It's literally over 20,000 words just breaking down kind of how to beat your all of your home league structurally.
83:54And then of course my draft guide, both a little bit more geared toward people playing in home leagues versus on something like FFPC here. But yeah,
84:03anyone that wants to check out my work, you can do that at fantasypoints.com as always. We got Yeah, we got to make a
84:11decision here, Theo. I like as nice as the free look sounds in theory, I'm not like what what are the chances that we're actually taking
84:22advantage of that and that that's giving us like an edge? Like what that Jake Tonjes is going to give us >> have to score if he'd have to score
84:30Yeah, 13 points in in week one. We can take your preferred guy here. I like Ali Gordon as my 20th round pick. He's sort
84:36of my bet as the as the running back two in Miami. I know you like Michael Mayer.
84:41Do you want to draft Michael Mayer and sort of see which way this goes? I feel like just with Tonjes, we could probably
84:46pick up Michael Mayer on the waiver wire if he doesn't score in that opening game. We'll just cut him and then we can
84:52go pick up Mayer.
84:55>> You're probably right, honest honestly.
84:58Um yeah, let's just Yeah.
85:00>> Yeah, I mean, Ryan, it makes that opening opening game a lot more fun to watch for you just to have a little bit
85:05of a free look where uh free look counter. Are you guys saying that I say the word free look way too often in these streams?
85:13>> that's what we're hearing. We found it another Theoism that >> [laughter] >> that he can't stop saying. Yeah.
85:19>> Oh my gosh, I'm I'm getting I'm getting killed here. I'm getting killed. Really appreciate the chat. Uh really makes these these drafts a lot more fun,
85:27especially when you have like this group of of really knowledgeable people. I'm always sort of blown away, Ryan. Really, when the two of us podcast together, it
85:36sort of draws these people that are really high-level fantasy players and they're looking to find an edge, but there's some just tons of knowledge. I'm
85:43always blown away by how knowledgeable uh my listeners are and I know yours are as well. Uh so, this was really really
85:49fun.
85:50>> Another uh vibes, yeah.
85:52>> I mean, listen, if you're not talking about vibes in August, you Rubio, do you want me to to to talk about players with
85:57bad vibes? I like talking about good vibes and we like bringing that out there to the people. We want to win
86:03leagues together here. Ryan, what's your favorite pick that we made in this draft and and what's your least favorite pick?
86:10>> Uh favorite pick, let's see.
86:14I Okay.
86:16Ooh, this is tough.
86:18I really like that kind of an an odd choice maybe. I really like the Garrett Wilson pick. I felt like we got him in a
86:25really nice spot. Uh Lamar Jackson would be up there for me, too. I think that's kind of what really makes this team
86:33stand out is I feel like we got an awesome price on him. We have like a really nice bet on the Ravens going
86:38here. So, those would be up there for me. Uh in terms of least favorite pick, uh I I do think that somewhere in like
86:47round nine or round 10 we did miss out on just adding a running back. Like we really missed the boat there. I think
86:55for this build I would have just loved to get even if it were over Jaden Reed to add a Keaton Mitchell or a Bill
87:01Croscry Merritt uh or a Chris Rodriguez or Marshawn Lloyd. Like that that's like such a fun kind of tier of backs in this
87:08format and we just completely missed out, unfortunately. Uh but it's okay because we we got the best price you're going to get on Jonathan Brooks in a
87:17high-stakes draft in uh like any at any time over the next month. We the yeah, the price is only going up. We we got a price I'm
87:27comfortable with on him. We squared the circle of what I was complaining about on Twitter. Uh so, yeah, overall really happy with this draft. Uh this this is
87:36going to be a fun one.
87:37>> Yeah, I think my favorite pick is probably the Jonathan Brooks and it sort of saved us getting him there. If the
87:43drafter who took Mike Evans or the drafter that took Tucker Kraft would have pulled up Brooks and pulled up price, then we would have had to maybe
87:51push Stevenson up around. So, I think Brooks is the value for me. We got him at running back 28. I'll predict by the
87:58time we get to Vegas he's like running back 21. I think he could pass by a bunch of these guys. Uh so, that was
88:04probably my favorite pick. Really like our wide receiver start. I mean, we talk about JSN, Olave, Garrett Wilson.
88:11There's somewhere in the multiverse that we're looking at 300 plus catches from those guys. Um and I like I really like
88:18what we were able to do with Harold Fannin Jr. who I know you talked about LaPorta, but Fannin also could catch a
88:24ton of passes.
88:26My least favorite pick is easily the Mark Andrews one. Leaned way hard too hard into the correlation and stack.
88:32Where if I could trade Mark Andrews for Keaton Mitchell, for MarShawn Lloyd, for De'Shawn Shribling, uh I think our team would have looked a lot better. And then
88:41the fact that we got Dalton Schultz and Gunnar Helm a couple of rounds later, it was like such an unnecessary pick, but
88:48hey, maybe Mark Andrews sort of beats expectations. I'll give a shout-out to team number eight. I'll give a shout-out to team number 10.
88:56Uh I think they both did a nice job. I think team number 12 is a really dangerous build. They had Devon Achane
89:02who they they took maybe a little higher than you'd be comfortable with, Ryan, but Lamb, Mims McConkey, Flowers, then they get Kyle Pitts in the sixth round.
89:10They've got a little bit of of upside with that build. And then team number one I've got to point out, Jahmyr Gibbs,
89:15Colston Loveland, Malik Nabers. I mean, if Malik Nabers is Malik Nabers, then you might have just won your draft with those three picks. If Loveland has the
89:23sort of upside season that I know Ryan, the two of us are on him. And what's up with Scott Barrett not being fully in on
89:29Colston Loveland? I talked about this with Jacob Gibbs. Like, what's going on?
89:31We need like an intervention. The three of us just showing up at Scott's place and being like, "Are you want to watch
89:36some Colston Loveland highlights?" But this was this was really fun. Um yeah, this is a and just for the record, there's a lot
89:44of talk in the in the chat about my team fandom here.
89:47I am into Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall, and I'm supportive of the Jets in a sense because I live on Long Island,
89:55and like my son likes the Jets. And then I have in in the background photo, I have Sean Taylor. So Theo is a a
90:03Redskins/Commanders fan. Growing up, I grew up in DC, so it's sort of a fandom.
90:08My team is my fantasy team. I have moved so far off of being a die hard. It's sad, Ryan, but I think once you Yeah.
90:17Yeah.
90:18Once you cross that bridge, man, yeah.
90:20>> I I'm a Patriots fan, always have been, but yeah, it's like it it's very hard to get as like emotionally invested in an
90:27NFL team when you do what we do for work and you have to be so plugged in to everything around the league. It's just
90:34like a different like switch in your brain that's like very hard to kind of flick back to and think about football
90:40from the perspective of a fan. Um but yeah, some people are better at that than than I am or than it sounds like
90:46you are, but it is a little bit of a of a sad thing. I agree.
90:49>> Yeah, it's it's a little sad. Um I think it's the moment that you sort of wa- watch Red Zone over watching your
90:56own team and you and you're immediately like, "I don't want to watch that. I want to watch Red Zone so I can see all
91:00my guys." Um that's sort of the the day and then it's all you know, like you you talk about it. It's like I if I'm
91:06watching a team and a guy that I have on a high stakes fantasy team scores 30 points against them, I'm way more
91:12excited about that even if it's it's completely messed us up, but hey guys, let us know in the comments, are we
91:17jaded? Are we jaded NFL fans here? Um Red Zone is is the way to go. Um but I'm I'm you know, again, the if the people
91:25want to put the Jets on me here, I love Long Island, love all my peeps from Long Island. I might you know, obviously
91:31raising kids on Long Island, so the the number of Jets fans around me, uh we we kind of support that, but again, I'd
91:37much rather see my guys score, but hey, I got a lot of Breece Hall and I got a lot of Garrett Wilson this year, so I
91:42guess JETS. Ryan, let everybody know once again what you got going on before we get out of here.
91:48>> Yeah, you can find me on Twitter @RyanJ_Heath.
91:53Uh you can find all of my draft content, all my written work over at fantasypoints.com. I am on the Fantasy Points YouTube channel with uh now
92:02Graham Barfield uh every Monday at 10:00 a.m. Come check us out. That's a really fun show and of course Theo is very
92:10missed over there. But yeah, we've got a lot going on over at fantasy points.
92:15Highly recommend if you guys are new to hearing me or like anything I have to say or the way I think about anything.
92:20Come come check us out.
92:22Yeah, and thanks so much for having me Theo. This was a ton of fun. I was getting an itch to get into the FFPC
92:30streets this year. It's good good practice for the main event team that I'm going to be drafting with Scott and Jacob Sanderson in a few days here. So
92:39yeah, thanks so much and yeah, this was a blast.
92:42>> Yeah, and and make sure if you're enjoying these live drafts either on the podcast or on the YouTube feed. Got a
92:47bunch more coming up. Got Mike Shope, Dan Williamson who's one of the best high stakes managers around. Also does some great content as well.
92:56He and I are going to split a NF FC prime time sort of their version of the main event. That's over the next couple
93:03days. John Daigle at this time next week from establish the run. He's going to join me for one of these FFPC 350s.
93:10And then Scott Barrett, we're going to draft an FFPC main event. And then if you're watching this live on Friday Mike Shope and I we're running it back
93:19at 7:00. So in a couple hours I'm drafting again Ryan. There's no theoretical content here. We're looking to make money and we're looking to help
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