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Ben and Jakob Chase Upside in a Challenging Draft for $1M

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2 hr 42 min

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Sep 4, 2026

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Fri, September 4, 2026

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Jameson WilliamsJaylen WaddleJonathon BrooksKenneth Walker IIIMichael WilsonRashee RiceBrashard SmithCeeDee LambEmmett JohnsonGarrett WilsonJahmyr GibbsJavonte WilliamsJosh DownsKeaton Mitchell

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Brashard Smith

PositiveSleeper14:55

Ben Gretch highlights Rashard Smith as an intriguing late-round target who could fill a Jarek McKinnon-style role. Smith showed explosiveness in the preseason and maintained a high target-per-route-run rate last year, making him a valuable asset in the Chiefs' backfield.

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CeeDee Lamb

PositiveValue27:06

CeeDee Lamb is identified as a top-tier target at the 1.10 turn. The source considers him a priority pick, especially when paired with a tight end in the 5th/6th round, as he remains one of their highest-ranked players.

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Emmett Johnson

NegativeRole27:46

The source views Emmett Johnson as a high-upside contingent play who would be a 'smash' if Kenneth Walker were to miss time, though they do not believe he is talented enough to threaten Walker's immediate starting role as a day-three rookie.

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Garrett Wilson

NegativeProjection43:42

Wilson has consistently commanded 150 targets in every healthy season of his career, though the source ranks him behind Jalen Waddle and Rashee Rice.

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Jahmyr Gibbs

PositiveValue4:56

Ben Gretch expresses frustration at his lack of exposure to Jahmyr Gibbs in Best Ball Mania, noting he only has 4% ownership despite believing Gibbs is a clear-cut 1.01 candidate. Gretch plans to aggressively target Gibbs in an upcoming high-stakes auction draft.

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Jameson Williams

PositiveUsage20:35

Ben Gretch notes that the Lions keeping only four receivers on their 53-man roster is a bullish indicator for Jameson Williams. He expects Williams to run a high volume of routes and play a major role in a concentrated offense alongside Amon-Ra St. Brown and Sam LaPorta.

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PositiveProjection45:57

Williams has been the top-ranked receiver on the source's board for some time and is consistently drafted in the high fifth round.

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Javonte Williams

NegativeUsage37:24

The source removed their 'fade' tag on Javonte Williams, noting he is a volume-based floor play who will score touchdowns and receive significant work, though they do not advocate drafting him at his current price point.

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Jaylen Waddle

PositiveProjection40:40

The source is very high on Jaylen Waddle, ranking him aggressively and viewing him as a priority target in the 4th round. They believe he is a tier above other available receivers in that range.

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PositiveBreakout43:54

The source is highly enthusiastic about Waddle's theoretical upside, noting he could run more routes and is a priority target at his ADP of 3.03.

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Jonathon Brooks

NegativeInjury31:40

Jonathan Brooks is currently working on the side field due to soreness. While there was speculation on social media that it was not knee-related, the situation remains uncertain as he continues to recover.

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NegativeValue60:00

Brooks is a risky but potentially high-upside pick who pairs well with Marshawn Lloyd, balancing early-season and late-season production concerns.

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Josh Downs

PositiveValue61:00

Downs is highly ranked by the source, who dismisses concerns regarding his health as minor and believes he is a great value in the current draft range.

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Keaton Mitchell

PositiveValue80:29

The source identifies Keaton Mitchell as a priority target, noting a significant tier break at the running back position occurring immediately after him. He is viewed as a high-upside selection in the late rounds.

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Kenneth Walker III

PositiveProjection26:06

The source views Kenneth Walker as a strong structural pick at the 1.10, preferring him over other running backs like Chase Brown, James Cook, and Saquon Barkley. While some concerns exist regarding Emmett Johnson's potential role, the source believes Walker will command a significant workload from the start.

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NegativeUsage42:46

Walker is viewed as a volume-heavy running back, though the source notes that the math regarding his target share is questionable.

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Malik Nabers

PositiveValue44:51

Nabers was selected at 3.05 after the source missed out on Jalen Waddle, and the pick felt like a strong value.

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MarShawn Lloyd

PositiveBreakout55:15

Despite the tumultuous situation with Josh Jacobs, Lloyd is viewed as a potential league-winner who could command a significant workload even if Jacobs returns.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

NegativeProjection64:27

The source maintains that Marvin Harrison Jr. is not a 'bust' candidate and his profile is not disqualifying, but argues his current draft price is inflated compared to his projected role. While he will likely produce explosive plays and touchdowns, the source believes he will be used more as a vertical threat off play-action rather than the high-volume target earner that Michael Wilson is expected to be.

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Michael Wilson

PositiveBust60:15

The source is skeptical of Wilson's breakout potential, noting his irrelevance when Marvin Harrison Jr. is on the field and questioning his prospect profile.

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PositiveRole64:08

The source identifies Michael Wilson as the primary slot/move receiver in the Cardinals' offense, noting he is being utilized in a 'Puka role' that involves blocking and high-percentage catch-and-run opportunities. Despite Marvin Harrison Jr.'s talent, the source argues Wilson is positioned for more consistent volume and targets in full PPR formats, supported by preseason usage where Wilson was the focal point of the offense while Harrison was used more sporadically.

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Mike Washington Jr.

NegativeRole26:06

Despite reports of internal team support for Mike Washington, Ben Gretch remains skeptical that Washington will significantly eat into Ashton Genty's workload, provided Genty remains healthy.

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Rashee Rice

PositiveUsage42:31

Despite concerns, Rice looked good in the third preseason game and has historically commanded massive target volume whenever he plays full games.

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NegativeUsage42:36

The source acknowledges concerns regarding Rashee Rice but notes his impressive movement in the preseason. They question who else will command targets in that offense if not Rice, indicating they would have been content drafting him at the 3.10.

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Rome Odunze

PositiveValue50:13

Odunze is considered the last player in a significant tier of wide receivers, making him a priority pick at the 5.06 turn.

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Tyler Warren

PositiveValue39:07

The source identifies Tyler Warren as a high-value pick at the 3.10, noting that securing him at that price point is a significant win for their roster construction.

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Xavier Worthy

PositiveProjection72:27

Xavier Worthy is identified as the top-ranked receiver available in the current draft vacuum. The source expresses strong confidence in his potential, viewing him as a high-end receiver option to round out their roster.

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Full transcript

Episode Transcript

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0:00Drafting in the FFPC Main Event from the 110.

0:03That's what we're doing today on The Long View.

0:05I'm Ben Gretch. You can find the Stealing Signals newsletter at bengretch.substack.com.

0:09With me, as always, is Jakob Sanderson. You can find the Thinking About Thinking newsletter at jacobsanderson.substack.com.

0:14And, Jakob, we're kind of breaking from some of the things we talked about.

0:18We didn't really have a great show topic for today.

0:21We've told all the Patreon people we'd have our drafts behind the paywall, but we are right before the last real draft weekend.

0:28And we figured, hey, we'll just do a draft as our show this week for everybody.

0:33All of our listeners that we've enjoyed doing shows for these last couple of weeks are people that we also want to listen to us do a draft.

0:42That sounds fun. So we are going to do one in front of the paywall as our main show this week.

0:48We are signed up for the FFPC Main Event.

0:51That draft starts in a half an hour. In 29 minutes, we are giving ourselves that much time to do a draft.

0:57We are going to take our time to try to get through the short view this week, which there's a ton of stuff since we last talked.

1:06I was surprised at how much stuff you had on here, but I guess I didn't realize the cut down to 53

1:12and all that stuff happened since we last talked.

1:15We'll try to burn through it. If we don't, we have a deadline.

1:19The draft's going to start at some point. We'll get into that.

1:23for those of you who have listened to me with some of my other drafts or read me in the newsletter I

1:29am extremely tilted to be picking from the 10 for I think maybe this is only the second time from the 10

1:36but I've picked from the 8 or later in 5 of my 7 so now 6 of my 8 you and I

1:43had the 5 last time so at least you and I get a pick from the opposite of you know from 1

1:49in the early half 1 in the late half but my 5 with you was the only time I've gotten in the

1:56first half in the first 7 picks other than 1 other time I also got the 5 I have not gotten a

2:03pick in the top 4 through 8 main events it's driving me a little bit nuts so I built a lot of

2:09teams in this back range I'll certainly be open to a lot of the directions you want to go I know you've

2:16built more in the front part of drafts but yeah before we jump into that really the middle section of drafts and

2:22some in the late I mean this is my 20th FFPC draft if I'm including main events and big gorillas and some

2:29that I've done solo some that I've done with ship chasers some with otherwise I have not yet gotten the 101 it's

2:36really annoying and I've gotten two top 3 picks out of those 20 so it's been like predominantly it's been the 4

2:42the 5 and the 6 that I keep drafting at but it's also been some 9s some 10s some 8s so it's

2:49not so you're saying it can get worse for me as I ramp up my volume here yeah I mean and it's

2:56even affecting my best ball season like I'm I have 148 of my 150 best ball mania teams drafted and I'm sitting

3:02on 4% Jameer Gibbs that doesn't feel good that's obviously not on purpose and that includes twice where Bijan Robinson was drafted

3:09ahead of Gibbs and I got him at the 102 so I if everyone was drafting correctly at the 101 I would

3:16have like 2% Jameer Gibbs that's crazy I think I've gotten 3 101s or 4 101s in like 148 drafts in 148

3:22drafts it's horrible and it's a lot of times I don't even agree with the 101 or I'm ambivalent like there's been

3:29years where I'm like I'll take the 101 because that's what everyone else is doing and it's fine but I don't see

3:36a difference like last year with Chase was that I was like I think Chase is a fine 101 I'm not passing

3:42on him but I don't feel like he's like I need the 101 but this year I really do I think he

3:49is like the clear cut 101 he's one of the most decisive 101s and now I need to root for his failure

3:56because I don't get him anywhere anyway I just ate 3 minutes of our time complaining I think I ate the first

4:0290 seconds of that and then you had the other 90 but we agree about Gibbs we've talked about it before about

4:09how dynamic this season could be for him it's not great as analysts to believe that and not be able to actually

4:16play it so I actually have an auction tonight I have signed up for an auction so I can go bid on

4:22Gibbs and I'm going to make sure I have him I'm going to have to find like I'm going to like I

4:29don't know I'm going to do something irresponsible like empty out my wealth simple account just so I can enter like some

4:36high stakes auction league so I can spend whatever I need to spend on Shamir Gibbs it's getting ridiculous anyways short view

4:42yeah so obviously the big ticket item that's happened since we last talked although you've probably heard each of us address it

4:49in our newsletters or on other shows is the Jacob stuff we're going to save that for the end so that we

4:56can try and get through other stuff so let's go through some of the cut down day takeaways both of us wrote

5:02up some of the takeaways from cut down day you wrote it at much greater length and I read through your great

5:09piece on there some of the top ones for me would be Justin Jolie the fifth round interesting tight end pick he

5:16was waived by the Broncos was claimed by the Dolphins the Giants kept all four of their running backs on the roster

5:22a lot of ambiguity on how that backfield is going to play out Sean Tucker with the pay cut was something we

5:29were kind of talking through whether he was going to be on the roster if you listened to our last main event

5:35draft that was on our premium Patreon episode we were discussing whether or not Tucker would keep the job and we kind

5:42of found out almost immediately after the episode ended but the biggest one to me is Emmitt Johnson clearly I think won

5:49the RB2 job maybe depending on your view of Brashard Smith with Amari Di Mercado getting cut and then actually going over

5:55to the Dallas Cowboys to replace Jaden Blue how aggressively are you moving Emmitt Johnson up the board when you're looking at

6:02your final draft this season as a late riser yeah I did I did preseason stealing signals week three and wrote down

6:09every you wrote up a bunch of stuff and included some small thoughts on some of the cut down stuff that was

6:15trickling in because I was writing that Sunday and then Monday morning I got up and I just was like screw this

6:22I'm going team by team and I'm going to write about every every team in every division and look at all their

6:2953 man rosters and what it meant and what was surprising and what stood out to me because obviously I was spending

6:35a lot of time with those rosters going through the projection process and all these things and I had a bunch of

6:42you know signal and notes and things in my you know summaries of signal in my write up I did say that

6:49the Emmitt Johnson one was the biggest riser of cut down day for me I've moved him up considerably I think I

6:55mean he still seems I think a little bit underpriced relative to that when I actually get into some of these rooms

7:02and I think I kind of maybe knocked him back down a little just to be like all right I don't have

7:09to pay these prices but I mean he looked awesome in the preseason he's got a great profile I know you loved

7:15him everyone I've talked to that does prospect stuff more than I do loved him Siegel was way in on him even

7:22before he was a Kansas City draftee Siegel famously a Chiefs fan but he was pumped when they got him because he

7:29already wanted him I remember texting him during the draft being like oh the Chiefs got Emma Johnson because that was like

7:35his guy in the late rounds he really liked the profile and he looked great he looked apart in the preseason and

7:42I'm surprised they cut Demercado they gave him 550 fully 550k fully guaranteed that's not an amount that you can't cut but

7:49it's also an amount that you give a veteran running back that you're gonna have on the team you don't usually I

7:55mean teams don't usually like a lot of the other veterans didn't get more than a lot more than 1 or 2

8:02million guaranteed like Rashad White got less than that Isaiah Pacheco got less than that I think Chris Rodriguez got more I'm

8:09trying to think there were some a few others that would I think surprise people that it was like it's under 2

8:15million guaranteed so to get a half million guaranteed Demercado for the player that he is it's not nothing and the Chiefs

8:22were like look we are satisfied enough with the guy that we got in the draft Emmitt Johnson and then how he

8:29performed because obviously the draft comes after they paid that contract but then how he performed throughout the process they did play

8:35Demercado ahead of him in the second preseason game they shuffled every game we talked about this they did this a couple

8:42years ago when they had Carson Steele and stuff they played Demercado a little bit ahead of him in the second preseason

8:48game it fooled me a little bit the third preseason game they did play Emmitt Johnson ahead of Demercado again was pretty

8:55substantial I think it's very positive for Rashard Smith too and I moved him up as well and I think he's a

9:02really intriguing very late target now if he gets like a Jarek McKinnon role they threw to him more than 30% targets

9:08per outrun last year he only ran like 100 routes but to get 35 targets on 100 routes is like they won

9:15the ball in his hands with intent and he looked explosive this preseason as well he's got a huge athletic profile I

9:22think they were just like look we got enough talent with Emma Johnson and Rashard Smith behind Ken Walker we have enough

9:28talent we don't need Emory DeMarcado clogging it up but that's what the Chiefs always do is they have these guys clog

9:35things up I thought they were going to keep DeMarcado the fact that they did not is extremely bullish in my opinion

9:42and now DeMarcado is on another team it's not like he's on waivers on the practice squad or some way that they

9:48could go acquire him if Ken Walker got hurt I mean I think if Ken Walker really strong double digit round running

9:55back target now yeah I agree big time with Emmett I've been drafting him pretty aggressively all season but I'm now even

10:02way more encouraged I'm really curious what do you think that the breakdown looks like early in the season because the one

10:08thing that DeMarcado has done well and has kind of proven to do well at the NFL level is the pass protection

10:15like the third and long the two minute drill stuff that's kind of the natural role that you would give to another

10:22running back who's sharing time with Ken Walker like that's never really been Ken Walker specialty so to me it was kind

10:28of like the way I was envisioning the backfield being most likely was okay Ken Walker is going to play basically everything

10:35and then DeMarcado is going to play some of the strict passing down stuff but I thought Emmett Johnson had a pretty

10:42good chance to then be like the early down backup kind of like how you know it is in Buffalo where like

10:48Ty Johnson has his own role if James Cook went down Ty Johnson's role increases but probably Ray Davis gets more of

10:55the James Cook stuff than Ty Johnson gets I'm curious how you would now expect like are they going to play a

11:02rookie on some of the pass down stuff are they going to play like a converted wide receiver in some of that

11:08stuff or is it just going to be like all Walker or is Walker going to play that stuff but then Emmett

11:15play some of the early downs like I'm not really sure but I'm curious if you have a particular read on that

11:22I think the Bills point was an interesting one for Johnson for me to have a standalone role I think it's going

11:28to have to come over time I did move Walker up on this and think we had talked about how that within

11:35that tier I was back and forth with a veteran and gone into the season with Rashard Smith who they didn't want

11:42to play a lot last year there's a reason they were limiting him and a rookie so I think yeah it's a

11:48really big signal for Walker I think it's a huge signal for Emmett Johnson and I think it's positive for Rashard Smith

11:55and I have all three of them as targets in my rankings because I think where they not practicing recently they haven't

12:02said what the injury is they have said they're hopeful for week one Keaton Mitchell has had like a mysterious injury that

12:08we're not even sure what it is he hasn't been practicing there was speculation that he might even start on short term

12:15IR by some like Chargers media people that did not happen they also cut down to three running backs so I think

12:21that's a could potentially miss time Isaiah Pacheco was put on short term IR they're four now three other backups Jacob sailors

12:28is you know Dan Campbell had said they're confident with him as their RB2 and say on Vockey plays on special teams

12:35and however this all works out they only kept four receivers which I got really excited about the Jameson Williams stuff there's

12:41no other team in the league when I went through that kept four receivers and there were some teams that kept five

12:48and if I'm not mistaken I think they only kept four tight ends also or maybe only three and only four receivers

12:55so it's like I don't Jameson Williams is going to play every single town he's going to run a ton of routes

13:01and obviously Aminrah is going to and it sounds like Laporte is pretty healthy and this is going to be that concentrated

13:08offense we there's all stuff about Brian Robinson is going to take touchdowns from Bijan I don't think people realize or are

13:15accounting for the fact that a lot of these coaches are going to play their running backs every down because the running

13:21back health has been better and he basically didn't realize how much they played McCaffrey last year and he didn't intend to

13:28play him that much but also they didn't want to take him off the field because their passing game revolved around their

13:35running back and if you're passing game and you don't want to tip your hand when you take them off you can't

13:41run the same passing concepts and so just pre pre breaking the huddle by making that substitution with the personnel package on

13:48the field the defense is going to put in more run based players and things like that they're to be aware hey

13:55Brian Robinson is on the field we're going to back in ADP I'm pretty confident the long down and distance stuff a

14:01couple of the other situations and some of the teams it's two guys like the Patriots it's all Ramondre and Travion Henderson

14:08they cut every other running back that was in camp they traded for Corey Kiner from the Cardinals camp to add some

14:15depth probably special teams whatever but it's going to be every touch is going to be Stevenson or Henderson where it's going

14:21to be Rico and Warren and I don't know exactly what the split is going to be and if either of them

14:28go down the other one is going to get 95% snap share they traded Caleb Johnson it's a great one they traded

14:35Caleb Johnson because they're not worried about depth behind it a lot of these teams are tipping their hand on that they

14:41wasn't even a running back in this process he's a seventh round rookie that did running back wide receiver like slash things

14:48and they kept the full back another rookie a fifth rounder they're going to play Warren and Dowdle every down so yeah

14:55we're going to see this type of concentration around the league a lot because they don't want to make these substitutions and

15:01get these two so anyway that's the Pacheco thing is like well who's the handcuff I mean I don't even know it'll

15:08be fascinating to see their offense would change so fundamentally I mean I think they'd have to throw a ton and I

15:15think they'd be capable of it because golf is pretty solid and they have three great receiving weapons I mean it he's

15:21under 200 pounds he ran a 466 he wasn't even over 5 yards per carry in the UFL I don't know I'm

15:28dubious that this is a player but anyhow that's the Pacheco stuff a couple more quick ones Trevion Henderson has not yet

15:34returned to practice still optimism apparently that's not something that's serious are going to bleed into week one the Saints backfield is

15:41pretty fascinating Devin Neal was placed on season ending IR Alvin Kamara was not placed on short term IR I thought you

15:48noted very wisely that they were already using up short term IR slots and so it's a little bit harder to tell

15:54whether Kamara is in fact going to be back before week four or not based on him not being placed on short

16:01time you know there's been a lot of optimism about Mike Washington there was the story of Clint Kubiak standing on the

16:08table for Mike Washington in the draft room that came out recently Ian Rappaport was saying that Washington is going to be

16:14a real thing this year and not just in real life is going to be a thing in fantasy how are you

16:21approaching the Ashton Gentty Mike Washington split and specifically like we're going to be on the clock at 203 is Gentty a

16:28consideration there would he be a consideration further into round two he's definitely consideration later into round two for me I it's

16:34pretty unlikely in my mind that Washington is really going to take a lot of work from a healthy Gentty and I

16:41do think everything about the ankle has been incredibly positive about Gentty now the way this has gone I would circle back

16:48on my own discussion and commentary from our last couple shows where I felt that Gentty was going to be a one

16:54two turn guy by Labor Day I was just in a draft last night where he went at the one two turn

17:01but it seems like he's going to sit in the he is a good role it's about what you can do with

17:08it and how good of a player you are so compared to somebody like Chase Brown or something like Gentty is a

17:14better long view profile I love Chase Brown too and I ahead of the wide receivers so yeah 203 it's hard to

17:21imagine him being my highest ranked player if we just want to take him anyway I reason why some people were fading

17:28Gentty even when they assumed he was going to get a 90% workload is that he's on the Raiders and I'm pretty

17:34optimistic about Clint Kubiak about this offensive line improving I'm still dubious that this is going to be one of the league's

17:41most valuable backfields and I don't know what even in the most bullish case for Mike Washington it might be annoying if

17:48you drafted Ashton Gentty in the second round I don't see a scenario in which you're starting like a probably early down

17:54like trap back it's Blake Corham but in a worse offense right exactly it's Blake Corham and before Corham like a much

18:01worse profile than like whatever early in the year last year or he was kind of doing it in 20 no last

18:08year was the year where he wasn't playing at all into a breather because he's a rusher but he's unknown and he

18:14would have a high rate of touches per snap you get a couple design like screens and stuff to get him in

18:21space and then I also don't think the actual rate of touches per snap or whatever will be quite as high as

18:28it was for Pollard that's like the ceiling case if you said 7 to 12 to 13 carries and sometimes efficient carries

18:34but it's like 8 for 53 rushing with no receiving in week 3 13 for 58 which is 4.5 yards per carry

18:41in week 9 13 for 56 the next week but that's 5.6 5.8 points in PPR and Kyron Williams had a 250

18:47point season alongside this and I think this is probably more than we expect from Washington which I definitely do I agree

18:54with that analysis for sure I'm going to move quickly we got four minutes before the draft starts we're to hit at

19:01least one more point here we've been pretty efficient I'm I'm yeah I guess it's better when you put us on a

19:07literal timer I want to talk about the Carolina Odd that you're really into Caleb Johnson, so we will have to talk

19:14about that because I don't know that I'm quite as into it, but we'll talk about that during the draft.

19:20Yeah, so Carolina Chuba Hubbard is back practicing, and then notably, Jonathan Brooks is not.

19:25He's working on the side field. He's dealing with soreness.

19:28I don't know if you saw this this morning, but his, I don't know if it was his girlfriend or his wife,

19:34but a compatriot of Jonathan Brooks said on Twitter that it's not knee soreness.

19:39I don't know if you could take that as a certain source, but it's what was on Twitter.

19:44That's great to hear. Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna lie.

19:47I thought it was knee. Look, I don't know.

19:50I'm just saying what I saw on Twitter from a person who apparently is within the Jonathan Brooks universe.

19:56I could be reporting fake news. That's all I got, but- No, that's what you're here for.

20:01You're more plugged in than me. I need to know these backroom- I mean, I might be plugged into things that are straight up not real.

20:09Like, I have no idea. Yeah, but like, you're not an idiot.

20:12I'm gonna guess that you're at least like 70% likely to be finding truth to this.

20:17Oh my God. So, yeah, I'm curious like how- I don't know if I was- I got got the other day.

20:24I didn't tell you this, but there was- Did you get got by the Cyrus Allen thing?

20:29I did. I moved him down my list. I was about to jump on a pod and I moved him down.

20:35And then I was like, wait, this wasn't real.

20:38But I was making so much fun of my buddy Tom, who I podcast with on Dynasty Points because he got completely got by that.

20:45And I was like, get it together, man. Like, come on.

20:49I didn't say it on the pod. I didn't bring it up anywhere.

20:53I just, I did change. The only way I got got was I changed my rankings and I had to write about

20:59it because there's a change log in my rankings tool.

21:02And so I was like, God, I was doing a rankings update yesterday.

21:06And I was like, I got a note that for about an hour, I had moved Cyrus Allen like 20 spots down my ranks.

21:14I was like, he's obviously going to be on the practice squad.

21:17There was a report that he got cut. It's like, that's a surprise.

21:21Well, it wasn't a report. But he's going to be back on the practice squad.

21:26Sorry. You're sorry. It was definitely not a report.

21:28It was not a report. But it got, so this is the thing.

21:32Twitter is now forcing you onto, or whatever, X, whatever we want to call it.

21:37It's forcing you onto the for you tab. I've always set my settings to not be on the for you tab, but it's like demanding that you start.

21:45Every time I open the app, I'm on the for you tab and I start reading something.

21:51I'm like, I don't follow this person. I don't care about this tweet.

21:54It just has a bunch of responses. And that one I saw via a quote tweet that also had a bunch of interactions.

22:01And then I literally was getting on a pod and I was like, oh crap, I better update the ranks real quick in case somebody's drafting.

22:09It was like in the afternoon, but I was like, somebody could be drafting this afternoon.

22:14And anyway, I got got, I got got. I was annoyed.

22:17Well, I'm proud. I'm proud of you for admitting that.

22:20It's, you know, exactly. Blame Twitter. Blame Twitter. Are you, where are you at on?

22:25Where are you at on Brooks right now? Do you ever go on, before, before I answer a real question, cause we've done so well.

22:33Do you ever go on the for you tab?

22:35I have no interest for the for you tab.

22:38I want to see the people. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

22:41Wow. That's why your brain's so rotten. I live on the for you tab.

22:45Yeah, exactly. That's why I'm into Caleb Johnson. I'm spending my time on the for you tab.

22:50Do you see that photo of him like hugging?

22:53Did you see him big boying Marshawn Lloyd? He had like his arm around him.

22:57Like he was his son. I mean, come on.

23:00Undraftable. No, who's, who's undraftable. Caleb, the guy. No, no, very draftable.

23:04There was, there was a, there was a photo of the way back in on Caleb Johnson.

23:09This is disaster for, for your, yeah, it's going to be, it's going to really, it's going to really compromise our round 16 of our draft today.

23:17God, we did the spike. Dude, we did the 20.

23:20We did, we did the spike draft yesterday, which we're going to start in like 10 seconds.

23:25So I guess we're not getting a job at the Brooks, but maybe we'll get to him when, when we're on the clock about it as we go.

23:34So we did the spike draft yesterday on ship chasing, which was the, the original idea of the spike draft was that,

23:40well, as you very well know, because you were on ship chasing for years, we draft all these teams together.

23:46Sometimes there's certain players that you really want and you keep losing votes on.

23:51And so you don't get them as often as you want to get them.

23:55And the idea was we'll all draft against each other.

23:58And it's our chance to make sure we get all of our guys.

24:02Some people did that. And other people just took other people's guys in a way to be, to be rude for content

24:08purposes in a draft that cost us like two K each anyways.

24:12And Davis took Caleb Johnson at around 14, which sent me into like an absolute spiral.

24:17That's amazing. That's really good content. I mean, yeah.

24:20Say what you will, but it's great content. Pete, Pete went like on a run where he went Matthew golden right before me, Xavier worthy right before Davis.

24:28And then Keaton missile right before Davis again. And he was like, I mean the, it started right at the one, two turn.

24:35Cause Pat was at the 12 Davis at the 10 and Davis.

24:39Um, has the last time we all drafted at the 12.

24:42He really wants to take Ken Walker and me and Pat strong armed him into a wide receiver, wide receiver start.

24:48And then this time Pat goes up at the, at the 12 takes Ken Walker.

24:53He doesn't come back to Davis. It was so good.

24:56Dude. one of you guys is going to win the whole thing.

25:00This is how Sam Sherman won the, whatever it was 1 million or 1.5 or whatever it was.

25:05Cause I've never seen anyone be more down on a player than Sam Sherman was on JSN.

25:10And then he decided to draft him and goes ahead and wins the entire BBM.

25:15So, uh, I think that's the way you do it.

25:18You draft guys that you just, you want to get some exposure to, even though you're, you know, it's always your, your

25:24friends that are talking them up and you don't even buy into somebody, somebody like probably Caleb Johnson is going to hit

25:31and Davis is going to win the whole thing.

25:34We haven't talked about this draft at all. So we're not at all.

25:38We're going to be on the clock soon. Um, we're going to be at the one 10 for audio listeners.

25:44Uh, the first seven picks have come off the board and those have been Jameer Gibbs, Brock Bowers, early pull on Brock

25:50Bowers at number two, then Bijon, then chase, then Amon, raw, then JSN, then Taylor.

25:55Uh, at eight. Yeah. We can talk freely cause we're, we're pre-recording this.

25:59So Puka is there. CMC is there. Both of those would be huge followers to the 10.

26:04I assume they both go here, but if they don't, there goes Puka.

26:08Puka goes eight. And, um, who's picking at nine, Ben?

26:11I've gotten the eight a bunch and have never gotten a Puka Nakua there.

26:15And I've never gotten a top four in case I haven't made that clear.

26:19Why don't you tell the listeners who's drafting right now?

26:22I will. I will. Yeah. Um, my stealing bananas, uh, co-manager, Sean, Sean Siegel is picking in the nine here.

26:29He, we get our, our, our, um, draft slots emailed to us.

26:32Once the, for people who don't know the process of, of FFPC, once the draft fills, the draft slots are emailed out

26:39and that we get them emailed out, uh, you know, uh, an hour and a half ago or so.

26:45And we see that we got the 10 and Sean Siegel's in the nine and I, he, okay, we're on the clock.

26:51We'll tell the story in a second. So Sean just took CMC, which means building a CMC team.

26:57That's hilarious. Sucks. So that's, so who would you have here?

27:00I I'm like, lamb is my highest rank, but I'm, quite ambivalent between him, Jefferson Walker, even Trey McBride.

27:06Who do you like the most? I mean, it's Walker, but I've taken him in multiple mains already.

27:11I don't have to take Walker here. Um, I could be Walker.

27:15It could be lamb. I've taken lamb and multiple means too, though.

27:18So I, I really don't have a strong lean there.

27:21Is there anyone? Have you, is there anyone you haven't taken a bunch of yet that you'd like, like, would you want to know team or something?

27:30I've been in this area so much. I think, I think it's Walker structurally, unless you really want to do lamb.

27:36Do you want to do lamb? No, Walker's fine by me.

27:39I'm good with that. Let's do Walker. We were just talking about the, um, I, I think Sean actually was telling me

27:46he's a little bit more concerned about Walker because he's so high on Emmett Johnson and the way that could play out over time.

27:53And like Walker's workload could, could be damaged. I think it's an interesting take that I, that I don't necessarily agree with.

28:00I don't agree with that. I, I, I love Johnson as a contingent play.

28:04Like, I think he has the type of skillset that would make him a smash if Walker went down.

28:10I don't think he's like good enough to be a threat to Walker immediately as a day three rookie.

28:16Personally, I would be like, maybe if Walker missed a month and Johnson played great in the Nate, they don't reinstall Walker to the same role.

28:23Like at that point, you're already, you're, you're already in a bad spot.

28:27Um, like I think from the jump, Walker's just going to play a ton.

28:32So behind us, Chase Brown goes back anyway, cook goes right.

28:35I'm not super into, okay. Barkley goes. So I was going to say Jefferson, but I'm, we won't be a worry there.

28:42I have a lot of them. I already have him in three of my other seven mains.

28:47So the part of why I was saying Walker was, I did kind of want to get.

28:52Jefferson. All come back. So my vote personally would be lamb.

28:55And a big reason for that is that I really dislike most of the running backs and receivers at five, six.

29:02So I probably prefer the two V two of lamb plus a tight end in that range.

29:07Who's a tight ends and ride fan, fan and craft, Laporta, Kittle.

29:10Okay. Are you good? I don't, I don't love those guys, but it's a fair, it's a fair point.

29:16I don't. Yeah. I mean, I think we could find a tight end.

29:20We're not getting JMO five, 10 with Sean in front of us.

29:24That's for sure. Well, I think, um, I think we may, I think we may.

29:28That's so that we're not supposed to obviously. So I texted Sean.

29:32I was like, what, what happened? So the, the fun thing about this, I mean, I ultimately, Sean and I were like,

29:38like we have to just draft our own teams.

29:41But one of the things I draft with Sean a lot, one of the things that, um, he'll do sometimes, like, I

29:48think this is his first solo mate, because I think all of the mains he's done so far have been with me.

29:55He'll sometimes sign up and then text me and be like, Hey, I signed up for the blank, blank time slot.

30:01Do you want to do it? And I think he knew I was available this afternoon.

30:06So I think he signed up for this draft thinking he'd be drafting it with me potentially.

30:11Um, or if I couldn't, he would draft it solo, but especially because we haven't gotten any of the early draft slots.

30:18So one of the things he did tell me, he was like, if we got the one-on-one, yeah, I was going to text you.

30:25Like you would be like, he hadn't seen the, he got the one-on-one, you'd be drafting with him and I'd be drafting my own team.

30:32I would be grudging you that he hadn't seen the slots yet.

30:36When he first responded, he goes, Oh no, if I get the one-on-one, you're going to be blocked out.

30:42I was like, you didn't get the one-on-one. You got the one-on-one.

30:45Like we keep getting, if he got, if he got the one-on-one, I know what was happening.

30:50And it's, uh, Ben's texting me saying, Hey, like let's reschedule this plan.

30:54Anyway, have fun at the one 10 on your own.

30:57So it was just a mix up, a miscommunication.

31:00We did, uh, alert the FFPC. There's not any collusion or anything going on, but, um, Sean, Sean did say he's going

31:07to draft a fun team and do it. He likes to draft kind of quirky teams.

31:12Sometimes he and I have had a couple of little disagreements on some last drafts and you're into some players that, you

31:18know, I told him I'm going to let Jacob steer it a little bit more.

31:23You're into some players that, uh, like maybe he's not as into, or he and I wouldn't necessarily be as likely to draft.

31:30It's funny. Cause you and him have some guys that you both like, like he wanted me to take Marvin Harrison in a draft the other day.

31:38And I was like, he doesn't, I don't think necessarily love Marvin Harrison, but based on where you're at that six, seven,

31:45I think of it as the, you said five, six, I think out of the six, seven range, but I agree with you.

31:52There's a tier that breaks off and it gets really cloudy through the sixth round.

31:56When all those tight, it really, the wide receivers end at a point in the fifth, and then it's all tight ends around the five, six turn.

32:04And then those tight ends go off. And when you are later in the sixth, and then potentially early in the seventh,

32:11we ran into this with our last draft, the one that we did in the Patreon.

32:16And it's not the running back dead zone. It's not the receiver dead zone.

32:20It's not the, it's just the everything dead zone.

32:23It's just the, that's right. The, the draft dead zone where like, you feel like the receiver you're drafting in the seven

32:29Oh two is like, no different than the receiver you draft in round 10.

32:34But then you're like, what else am I going to do?

32:37Like, am I going to pull a quarterback up?

32:40Like, am I taking a tight end? Who's the same as the tight ends I'm drafting in three rounds?

32:45Am I drafting a running back? It's yeah, it's just, I don't know.

32:49It's so flat. We've talked about it, but it's so flat.

32:53But yeah, you were saying the Jamison thing, um, you know, obviously getting, getting lined up right next to Sean, who I

32:59draft with all the time is a little bit odd where, you know, the, I was super worried that people would be like collusion.

33:07And then you were like, dude, we just did a spike draft.

33:10Four of us drafted against each other on stream together.

33:13And it's like, all right. I mean, like obviously, um, you know, is, is what it is.

33:18We got assigned these spots and it was actually, uh, completely unplanned and, uh, is what it is.

33:24But the comment I made about, we might get, we might get Jamo is, I mean, I don't think he falls all

33:31the way to five, 10, but I think if he did, Sean's the kind of person he's, he's said, he's going to

33:37probably take some other guys and some quirky guys that he doesn't take with me very often.

33:42So he's, and he's just a nice guy. He's the kind of guy that might leave my biggest stand out there.

33:49It would be my, my guest just cause he's a big teddy bear, but well, I wish he, I wish he had,

33:55uh, been a real teddy bear left as Christian McCaffrey.

33:58So that's what's funny is I, I mean, that was a thing I said to him too.

34:04Cause like, you know, again, people draft against their friends and these things all the time.

34:08A lot of the grinders know each other. They text, they see their rooms together.

34:13I mean, I, I, I'm hesitant to, like even discuss this.

34:16Cause I, people think everything's collusion these days. Um, well, I don't know if that's true, but people would, but yeah, as

34:23we talked through it, just trying to set some valid ground rules.

34:26I was like, don't send anyone. Cause he's in like right next to us on the inside of the long draft side.

34:33I was like, don't send anyone to us that you think we would draft because I'm drafting with Jacob.

34:39You don't know the guys he likes and we may not draft him.

34:43Just draft your team. We may not pick the person.

34:46And if we don't pick the person, uh, and some, and then you wanted him and then somebody else takes him at

34:53the turn or something like that's the worst scenario.

34:55So just draft your team. I'll draft my team.

34:58We won't, we won't discuss whatever. I'm doing a show with Jacob.

35:02We're doing it for content, but yeah, we did want to address it.

35:06Cause it's kind of hilarious. We'll probably talk about his picks a little bit.

35:10Um, but yeah, Jamison is one that he probably would know that, that I'm going to, I'm going to take it five, 10.

35:17And if that happened, that's the only one that I was like, yeah, I think, I think you would know.

35:23Well, I mean, let's see how this board falls.

35:25Cause we might even just take him at the four or three, but, uh, our team so far is Walker and lamb.

35:32Uh, so, uh, you know, making sure to get guys that you don't normally draft at the two players that you keep

35:39drafting at the slot you keep getting. So nice of you to keep, mixing up those exposures.

35:44Insane. I don't have a Walker lamb yet. I have a lamb McBride and I have a lamb.

35:49Bowers. Yeah. A lamb McBride for 12. And then for the one Oh eight, I got Bowers and then lamb came back.

35:56So getting lamb with the running back instead of an elite tight end feels pretty nice.

36:01I think that worked out pretty good because the, the pick I probably would have made if I was just drafting completely

36:08solo at the one 10 would have been lamb.

36:10Um, and who knows if Walker would have made it back and he's my preference of all that next group of running backs.

36:17Like I prefer him to Brown cook Barkley Hampton.

36:20So that kind of worked out perfect. In my opinion, I did a draft last night where on a, on a, it

36:27wasn't on FFPC was on a different site, but all those running backs went before Barkley and I don't really like Barkley.

36:33And I realized that that, that tier can dry up.

36:36So I thought if we didn't take Walker, there was a possibility.

36:40It went Brown. I mean, even cook, I've seen fall a little bit, but it could have went Brown cook Hampton Walker,

36:47in which case I guess we could have went gently, but I don't think we were wanting to.

36:52And so my thought in taking Walker first was that one of these receivers might swing back, which wasn't a guarantee.

36:58He's sometimes seeing lamb, Jefferson, McBride all go at the turn, but I think I'm more comfortable starting running back, running back,

37:05then getting boxed out at, at running back and having to start wide receiver, wide receiver because of, you know, just the structural stuff.

37:12Brice goes here. So now we're into the dead zone.

37:15It gets tricky. So you, you talked about the, the Cowboys cuts and we didn't talk a ton about that, but I took the fade tag off Javante.

37:24I don't know that I like him in, in mains, but he's flipped both Brice and Jeremiah love over at the NFFC.

37:30He's going to score touchdowns. He's going to get a lot of work.

37:34He's going to be a volume play for a lot of people.

37:38Um, and, and a floor play and, and get you some points.

37:42I don't, I wouldn't advocate for him here. Probably relative to the options we'll have, but we won't be drafting him here,

37:48but I do, I do think he, um, I've, I've talked all along about not wanting to rank anyone RB 15.

37:55I do think he belongs at RB 15, but he's more of a dead zone back.

37:59And that makes this turn tricky for running back.

38:02If we had started wide receiver, wide receiver, then you're going pretty much full dead zone.

38:07There it goes. Javante, lad goes, which is big for us.

38:10Cause that's one of the receivers in this range that neither of us were probably prioritizing at our next two picks.

38:17Um, and so I think we're, I have the queue filled up with a lot of receivers that we are prioritizing.

38:23And then another guy that we've discussed a lot on the podcast to like, if he fell all the way here, I

38:30would have a hard time, I would have a hard time stopping that from happening.

38:34Um, um, at this price. Um, we also potentially could get a tight end follower, which would, um, kind of help us

38:41out after we bypass the chance to take Trey McBride at the 203, two of my favorite receivers in this range are there.

38:48Another guy that's one of your favorite receivers in this range is there.

38:52I think we have a plethora of options here.

38:55It's just going to be a matter of what we, what we, I'm trying to decide.

38:59Sean has McBride. Okay. He went ETN here. Travis ETN.

39:02Okay. That's interesting. So we took him together. So many options that we got 55 seconds.

39:07So I think it's clearly Tyler Warren for me.

39:10Is it Warren? Okay. Let's take Tyler Warren then.

39:13And then we'll just figure out what I was going to ask if you were comfortable with that as a Colts fan, but yeah, I am.

39:21I'm good with Warren here. I think, I mean, there's a lot of receivers that can come around.

39:26Rashid Rice. Are you out on rice? I mean, I am, but like if he came all the way back to 403, we can take him for sure.

39:34Um, we have, we also have, so the ones we, we both like are Zay Flowers, Garrett Wilson and, and Teddero McMillan.

39:41You have Waddle in there. I love Waddle and you like Rice.

39:45And one of those guys is going to come back.

39:48So why don't we just take Warren and then.

39:50Okay. Let the room kind of, I think that's the right play.

39:54Neither of these guys behind us has a tight end.

39:57Getting Warren at three 10 is a really valuable pick.

40:00And I was really hoping Sean wasn't going to double tap tight end knowing he likes to do some, some quirky stuff.

40:07Um, I, I had no issue passing rice there.

40:10He goes three 11, but I was just making sure if he came back, like you were okay with it.

40:16I figured he would go, which helps push down.

40:18Like it's helps the possibility of Garrett Wilson coming around.

40:21It helps the possibility of Zay Flowers coming around.

40:24Um, there's, we're going to get at, I mean, I guess there's three picks before our turn.

40:29So it's possible that all of Flowers, Wilson and Waddle go, but we will probably get one of those three, which includes,

40:36um, Flowers who we both really like. Right. So Waddle has a higher ADP.

40:40And I like, and Waddle who I love and you like.

40:43Um, yeah, I was, sorry, I, I wasn't saying the, uh, I wasn't saying Waddle when I was saying those other guys,

40:50cause he has a little bit of a higher ADP and, um, I, I think he would go if all the other guys go that we both like.

40:59Hire and go. So we're guaranteed one of Flowers, Wilson or Waddle to come back to us now.

41:04Right. Or if, if I could talk you into McMillan over Waddle, who I have a whole tier ahead of him, but,

41:11um, I, I, I could get my Waddle share with you for sure.

41:15I would pound the table for, for Waddle over McMillan.

41:18If we, if he is there, I will, I'll give you whoever you want.

41:22The next pick, if we could get Waddle here.

41:25Okay. That's, that's fine. I can get my Waddle share with you.

41:28Uh, I have not gotten him much. Um, so like, despite having him ranked very aggressively, like I was at a point

41:35where I was, um, I was going to take him at three or five yesterday.

41:39And then he went at the three or four.

41:42I was like on tilt. Um, I mean, I was happy because Sean's taking Ted or all McMillan.

41:48I'll guarantee you that. So here's a, here's an olive branch to Sean.

41:51No, you, you were, you were, you want Waddle.

41:54I wanted to get a share of him. I love getting it with you.

41:58You've been really, uh, into him. You, you gave a great case on the show recently.

42:03Um, so we go ahead and take Waddle there.

42:06It was a little bit of a bummer that Boze and Garrett Wilson went to me, at least.

42:11I'm okay with, with Waddle there. I like that.

42:14I, that pick, but I, um, um, I like Garrett Wilson a ton and getting him at four Oh three would have

42:21been really fun with a Walker lamb Warren start.

42:24And then, so that, that guy behind us who started chase Brown, Justin Jefferson just got rice and Garrett Wilson at the three, four turn.

42:31I think that's really impactful. I get the rice concerns, but did you see him moving around in the third preseason game?

42:38Like he looked pretty good. And my question that I've asked you on the show already before is if not rice, then who gets the targets?

42:46The player we took at the one 10. Kenneth Walker gets all the volume.

42:50Yeah. I still think the math doesn't target running back.

42:53Even with that, the math doesn't math either. Right.

42:56I would have been fine. If rice came back, if rice came back to us at the, I mean, had, had Sean

43:02taken Warren, I would have, um, I would have been content with taking rice at the three 10.

43:08Interesting. He wouldn't, he wouldn't have been my highest ranked player, but I, I would have been like content.

43:13I think we would have landed on Garrett Wilson in that case.

43:17I have rice one spot. I have rice. I have rice ranked ahead of Garrett.

43:22Oh, interesting. So I thought you were higher on Garrett Wilson.

43:25I guess you just don't. I like Garrett Wilson.

43:28Uh, I like Garrett Wilson, but I have like, like waddle.

43:31So I have Warren, then waddle, then rice, um, then Garrett, and then Tedaroa.

43:35You like all these, uh, new age per route metrics and don't really care about the actual, uh, routes and targets.

43:42Like Garrett Wilson has had 150 targets in all, basically all three of his healthy seasons.

43:46And she rice has had a million targets whenever he's played full games, but you know, Jalen waddle theoretically could play, could run more routes.

43:54the theoretical upside of Jalen waddle, Jalen waddle, whatever his ADP is, um, his ADP in my drafts has been like the three Oh three.

44:02So I'm just, I'm just so thrilled to, uh, to finally get a share.

44:06It's been, I've had two drafts where I was ready to do the, like, I'm taking my guy move at three Oh five.

44:13And he went at three Oh four in both of them.

44:16And it was now in fairness, like that gave me like, um, like I was so torn.

44:21Cause I was like, especially cause the draft yesterday, the whole idea of the spite draft is like, we're going to take our guys.

44:29Right. So I was so ready to be like, this is my like number one wide receiver.

44:34Like that. I'm pounding the table for all off season.

44:37I'm going to take him ahead ADP. I don't care.

44:40I want to get a share of this guy pumping with three Oh five.

44:44Then he goes at three Oh four. And I'm like, well, that's annoying, but Malik neighbors was there at three Oh five.

44:51So I just took him instead. And that felt pretty good.

44:54We were all the way back to the, yeah, I'm glad you got a waddle share.

44:59I know the listeners can hear the excitement in your voice.

45:02I am. I've got multiple shares of McMillan. Um, so it was an easy decision.

45:07We take McMillan on our last team together. I feel like we did, or did we take T Higgins?

45:12I don't know. We might have, um, took neither of those players.

45:16McMillan must've gone. We have Luther. We should have looked at our go, go pull it up.

45:21And I have, I have it pulled up. So McMillan must not have made it to us.

45:26We must've been ticked about that because we wouldn't have taken Luther burden over McMillan.

45:31Uh, we picked up the five. Yeah. McMillan went right before us.

45:34We took JSN, Hampton, Hall, burden, JMO, Trevion, Henderson, Godwin, Dowdle, Goldenworthy.

45:38That was our first 10 picks. Godwin was the one we didn't love.

45:42Trevion was a really good value. Dowdle was a really good value.

45:46What was after Dowdle? Then golden worthy. Golden and worthy on that team.

45:50Okay, cool. We can do some different fun stuff on this one.

45:53We got Jamison on that one too. Jamison's not coming back.

45:57He's been the top ranked receiver on my board for a while.

46:00He's been going, uh, high fifth. I mean, I don't, don't think there's any scenario where he's coming back to five, 10 in this draft.

46:08That's been pretty receiver heavy since our last pick, just to give the listeners an update real quick.

46:13Ted, Roa McMillan, Deandre Swift, the Mecca, Buka, Luther, Burton, T Higgins, Cam Scadaboo, DJ Moore, Christian Watson.

46:19And at the turn, Josh Allen finally went for 12 Parker Washington, the five Oh one.

46:23So we've gotten Christian Watson, Parker Washington, DJ Moore ahead of Jamison.

46:27Those guys, some of those guys go ahead of him anyway, but I mean, Jamison goes in this tier pretty frequently by ADP.

46:34Jamison's a top receiver, five of the next six picks should be running back by, by recent main event drafts.

46:40Just the last three days, there's been about 30.

46:43So I'm looking specifically at mains. We have David Montgomery, Bucky Irving, Janarian Price, Bachel Tootin and Quinshawn Judkins all in that group.

46:50Sorry. What were you going to say? Nothing. I mean, like I have things I can say, I'm sure, but nothing in

46:56particular that I was going to interrupt you with.

46:59I did. I thought you were starting to say something.

47:02I did the little recap. No, no, I thought I kind of cut you off.

47:07Jamison goes 503. As expected, Tucker craft went five Oh two there.

47:10So we do get that. That guy had taken Watson.

47:13I'm expecting a Jordan love pick there later. He's setting himself up with the Packers build.

47:18We do get, and he had Bowers at one Oh two.

47:22So that's a second tight end. He's, he's doing a fun draft there.

47:25We do get even more of an anti running back lean at this point.

47:30Now these next few teams all have one running back.

47:33Um, I'm sure Sean's not loving it. He has a two running back and one tight end build.

47:38And then he took a receiver. Yeah. So we do get generic price there at five Oh five.

47:44Finally fan and went five Oh four to your point about what we would do at five six thinking maybe tight end there.

47:51We end up getting Warren. I'm glad we didn't go that way.

47:54Cause craft and fan and have already gone. It's possible that like, I mean, we could still get pits Laporta.

48:00I don't really love Kittle. That would have been the one I would have.

48:04I mean, we could have done it, but I wouldn't have been thrilled.

48:08Well, I mean, I don't know what we're going to do here because the five, six is an interesting range.

48:14Um, you know, maybe we got a faller on someone that we like, although that's getting increasingly less likely by the minute.

48:21Um, and then there's like a lot of guys that at least one of us, if not both of us don't like

48:28that go in the five, six turn range. So I'm, I'm curious how we're going to manage our way through this.

48:34Um, like who, uh, you gave me a lot of though.

48:37And I, I, I, Oh, that's right. You gave me the next day.

48:41I'm going to, I'm going to advise, but you get, don't like that.

48:45Um, I suspect that you are probably more into like Judkins and Tootin than I am.

48:50Okay. Uh, yeah, I think, and I, so by ADP, I'm a lot more into Laporta and Kittle than you are.

48:57As a second tight end. Okay. Um, by ADP, it's Bucky, Tootin, Judkins, Adams, Adunze, and then you get to pits and

49:03actually pits is my next tight end as well.

49:06I, and so Adams does go. So it's, it's been wide receiver heavy.

49:10McLaurin went, we only have one running back. So the fact that ADP has given us Bucky, Tootin, Judkins, and then Adunze, I think is a good pick.

49:18Although I'm fine with Adunze. I'm good with Adunze.

49:21In line to take a receiver here. It would not shock me at all.

49:25If he takes Adunze here. Adunze would be the one receiver here that I, he's the last of a tier for me as well.

49:33That's a big tier drop for me after him down to Evans, who I think is draftable, but he goes Quinn Sean Judkins.

49:39Adunze. yeah, I mean, it's ultimately like, you know, I got Waddle.

49:43So you, you get final say on this one.

49:46I know you really like Bucky. Yeah. I do like Bucky.

49:49Bucky's my highest running back, but Adunze is last of a tier.

49:53Do you think we could get Bucky or Tootin back?

49:56They're both. I think that we, if I was drafting this, I'm probably taking Adunze, even though I like Bucky so much,

50:02because I think he's last of a tier at receiver.

50:06And I would bet that maybe Bucky comes all the way back around.

50:09Even if he doesn't, we probably at least get like Tootin or Trevion Henderson, who I would be open-minded to at the 603.

50:16All right. Adunze. That's what you would do. I don't have a share of Rome yet either.

50:22So I'm totally down with that. Yeah. Okay. We're going to take Adunze as our third.

50:26So the other guy here is Marshawn Lloyd. I'm kicking my, I get to decide on the pick down to 603.

50:33It's clearly Adunze. Bucky goes one pick behind us.

50:35He would have been a good pick there. He would have been.

50:39I'll just be like transparent. I have so much Bucky that if you wanted to do Bucky, I would have been in

50:46on that, but I'd have Noah Adunze. And I think he was the last of a tier.

50:51So I'm pretty fine with that. He is. But so Bucky and Tootin go.

50:55And I think they're the, they're the last of a tier for me now too.

51:00I've, I've opened up a tier between this and Travion and Romandre.

51:03The guy that I would like now is Marshawn Lloyd.

51:06If he swings around, are you okay with that?

51:09Um, yeah. Yeah. That's probably, I think it's aggressive, but I think it could pay off.

51:14I've been seeing him go with the five, six.

51:17Some you like Lloyd over Henderson. I have Henderson ranked higher, but we took Henderson in our last draft.

51:22And I do think on a, on a team where we only have one.

51:27Oh God, I'm getting, I can't check recent ADP on him.

51:30Cause I'm getting, uh, no, he, he, he probably won't come back.

51:34I think we just need to pick our, no, I know.

51:37I just want to know how much of a reach it is.

51:40Sorry. He's the ones I've been doing recently. He's been going, um, later than this, but like six, like late six, sometimes

51:47early seven, but not, not like way later than this.

51:50Um, I have, I have it pulled up. Just give me one.

51:54One sec. It was just being slow. We got 30 seconds.

51:57Put, put, put a Lloyd at the top of the key.

52:00I'm going to put Lloyd at the top. The other options to Laporta Kittle.

52:05I, I, I'd like Laporta here. I don't think you're as high on him.

52:09Henderson. We're not going to do Ramond right here, but he's probably highest drafted running back in this range.

52:15Wide receivers. So Lloyd's going 72. It's quite a ways down behind Ramond, Andre and Henderson.

52:20Let's, I mean, I, I think Lloyd's a fun pick here, but sure.

52:23Let's do it. All right. We're going to do Marshawn Lloyd.

52:27All right. Welcome to the team. Marshawn Lloyd. Ignore the, um, Patriot running back situation.

52:31I have a ton of Henderson. So I'm like, I have, yeah.

52:35Henderson is all of a sudden become, I did not foresee this path for me.

52:39Um, earlier in the draft season when he was going at like the four or five turn, but he's, he's actually now

52:46my highest drafted running back in the main event.

52:49All of which have been, uh, even later than this price.

52:52So I don't, I'm, this is, I'm happy to add a Lloyd instead.

52:56That's fun by me. Yeah. I mean, that's my thought too.

52:59We already have multiple Henderson shares. I've done it with Sean.

53:03I did it with, and we, we have one together and it's like, you know, break a tie, a cheaper share.

53:09We got them in the late sixth on our other team together.

53:13Um, kind of break a tie away from that.

53:15It's aggressive on Lloyd, but the other running backs were Henderson and then Ramondre Stevenson.

53:20We, I mean, you could have pulled Jonathan Brooks up, but he's got some surprise soreness.

53:25I think he comes back to us actually with, uh, he may come all the way back.

53:30We have Warren and Dowdle. So as far as, as far as ADP in just the last couple of days here, I

53:37mentioned, um, I'm just looking from eight 31. Road of this has a great tool on this.

53:42Um, we're drafted on nine three. So since Monday, since after cut down day, there's been 30, 31 main.

53:48Some of them are, are slow drafts. So there's sometimes some guys have been picked 31 times.

53:53Some have been picked 30 times. Regardless, Jonathan Brooks is actually at 28.

53:57So he's been picked fewer times. He may, he may be waiting to fall in some of these mains, but, um, and

54:03this is actually probably updating with results from our draft as well, while it's going, but by ADP, it was Stevenson slightly

54:10ahead of Henderson at about 64 and 65 average pick.

54:13And then Jalen Warren at 69.5 Brooks at 71.5 Lloyd at 72.1.

54:17So he's, I mean, a meaningful eight picks behind Stevenson about seven, 6.7 behind, um, Travion.

54:21It's an aggressive pull up of Lloyd there. 72 is more like the 612.

54:26We took him at 603 at the same. And, and, and, you know, in a pretty receiver heavy room, it wasn't probably

54:32the, the best pick at the same time. Like this is a clear tier to me, all these running backs.

54:38And I don't think in mains, like going and getting your guy is like crazy by any means.

54:44So anyway, no. And he does give us very likely.

54:47I mean, the Jacob situation is completely tumultuous. Maybe this is a good time to talk about it.

54:52We're going to do it in the short view.

54:55We just took a green Bay Packers running back.

54:58I mean, he it's, it's completely open-ended in terms of what could happen and how many games he could miss or not miss.

55:05But most likely I think we're at least getting the first half of the FFPC regular season with Lloyd immediately out of the gates.

55:12And that's kind of nice because it then allows us like we only had the one running back through five.

55:18If you take Henderson, it does put you in a little bit of a bind where you're probably not expecting a really fast start from Trevion Henderson.

55:26And so then you've invested in a running back to, you still only have the three receivers.

55:31You have to find ways probably to address early season running back production still, at least now the way I would look

55:38at it is we're pretty set at running back out of the gates, or at least we project to be, we still

55:45got to build more upside in the room, but I think that it allows us a little bit more flexibility.

55:51So I'm, I'm definitely open-minded to the Lloyd thing.

55:53I mean, if we knew for certain, and we obviously do not that Jacobs was going to miss the entire season, I

56:00would have Lloyd, like, honestly, I might even have him ahead of like Tootin.

56:04Um, I would definitely have him ahead of Judkins in Montgomery in a managed setting.

56:09Um, with the, with all the uncertainty, I don't have them quite that high, but I, I think it's, it's definitely an

56:15outcome where he is, you know, smashing early and he's smashing all season.

56:19I also think it's an outcome that's maybe under discussed that let's say Jacobs comes back, you know, somewhere week seven, week eight, week nine.

56:27If Lloyd has been smashing, you know, maybe Jacobs doesn't come back to a workhorse role.

56:32And Lloyd remains a startable player because they've really loved what they've been able to get out of him.

56:38And maybe they're not anxious to just reinstall 75% workload.

56:41Josh Jacobs. Oh, I thought it was muted. Could you hear me coughing?

56:45Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. No worries. I thought I muted myself.

56:48My bad. Um, I got saliva on the windpipe.

56:50No, I, so I was looking at some data there.

56:53The earliest he's gone is the, is the five 12.

56:56We took him at the six Oh three, obviously an aggressive price.

57:00There will be people who will immediately say, um, why would you draft a guy in a main event that has gone way, way later?

57:08Because before the Jacobs thing, these main events were running and he was going in the double digit rounds.

57:13Uh, number one, this isn't as big of a contest as like the BBM or whatever, like the different iterations of teams that exist.

57:21There's a lot fewer than I think people realize in the main event.

57:24Number two, I don't, I think people think you have to hit on such a nuts draft.

57:30I don't, I don't subscribe to that theory, even in BBM.

57:33And I talked about this a little bit on, uh, Pete's best ball breakfast this morning.

57:38I was on with him. We took Lloyd there as well.

57:41I'm not trying to get Lloyd everywhere. I do think, so we talked about how this five, six turn could be tricky and it would get flat.

57:49The tricky thing that happened was at five, 10, we had three guys that we maybe didn't think would even be available.

57:56They're kind of all slid down. Um, well, I mean, that's kind of unfair to say, cause I don't know who else

58:03would have slid, but like Tucker craft went pretty early.

58:06Harold Fanden went a little earlier than usual. Well, at any rate, we had a dunes, a last of a tier.

58:12We also had Irving and tootin for me as last of a tier.

58:16They both go. Henderson's been a little tricky. He's had some tough off season stuff.

58:20We've gotten him in, I've gotten him in multiple mains already.

58:24We got them together already. I got him with Sean.

58:27Um, not really looking to take a bunch of Stevenson.

58:30I could see taking Stevenson there, but the point is every other guy we were looking at and talking through, and you're

58:36talking about taking maybe a second tight end with LaPorta or Kittle, which I don't think was a bad idea.

58:43LaPorta would have been an interesting. That would have been like, that would have been my pick at a vacuum, Sam LaPorta.

58:49But we had Tyler. sorry. We, we only had one running back in, in, um, Ken Walker.

58:54And my concern was what, what happened would happen, which is that all the other guys have gone other than Jonathan Brooks.

59:01He is the one to your point that may get all the way back to us.

59:06Be hilarious to take Lloyd and Brooks. That's a team that's doomed.

59:09Um, isn't that kind of a good pairing? Because I mean, the fear of Brooks is what are you getting early season?

59:16The fear of Lloyd is what are you getting late season?

59:19I think they pair pretty well together. Yeah, sure.

59:22The fear is also that they're going to suck and, or get hurt or like, you're stacking a lot of, of injury risk.

59:29Um, so I'm getting caught up on my, on my list here as I was coughing and talking to you and a hundred things.

59:36So the best receiver for me at this point is DK Metcalf.

59:40I don't know if you're really into him. I've taken him a bunch.

59:44Well, he's, he's, he's far and away my top receiver.

59:47Okay. He does go right after you said that, uh, Sean is up ahead of us.

59:52Brooks is top ADP. Sean takes Brian Thomas. BTJ.

59:55So my top ranked receiver would be downs. And my top ranked running back would be Brooks.

60:00I don't think there's a tight end. It makes sense here.

60:03there's no quarterback. So, so I like downs to quite a bit.

60:07Uh, I also have Matthew golden in that range and you have golden in the queue.

60:11I like Michael Wilson kind of a lot in this range.

60:15We could talk through that. Obviously you like Harrison more.

60:18Harrison has gone, but Brooks is the ADP pick.

60:21And I know he's falling, but I like the idea that he pairs well with Lloyd.

60:25Okay. Should we just take Brooks? I'm good. I'm good with Brooks.

60:29Let's, let's do Brooks here and then figure out a receiver and hopefully not take Michael Wilson.

60:34Lloyd and Brooks are fascinating together there. Where it's a little bit, certainly a little bit risky.

60:39Um, you don't want to take Michael Wilson at all.

60:42He just had a massive extension. Absolutely not. You, you don't buy the Puka Nakua stuff and that he actually is going

60:49to catch a ton of a million balls. Well, you're going to learn.

60:53He went, thank God. He went. Yeah. I mean, I, the idea that he would be like, like an ick player is, is odd to me.

61:01I don't understand why he's like a discount Parker Washington four rounds later.

61:05He, he had like it. I mean, do you not put any stock at all into just how completely irrelevant he's been

61:11anytime Marvin Harrison has played over the course of his career?

61:15And like, it's not like a long view guy.

61:17Like he was like a pretty meh prospect. Didn't do anything for two years.

61:22Like even last year is total yard run on the season.

61:25Let's talk about Michael Wilson in a sec. Cause we're up our last time.

61:29We kind of ran the clock too low. Yeah.

61:32So Dan, Dan's is my highest rank receiver. I'm also happy with either of the green Bay wide receivers.

61:38Can't count on either coming back. Let's take downs.

61:40He's one of my highest to, he's one of the guys I was disagreeing with Sean on.

61:46So I would like to get him in a draft that I'm not doing with Sean.

61:50Cause I don't think he's as high on downs.

61:53I think he's a little more concerned about some health stuff.

61:56I think the health stuff is mostly just like made up.

62:00Like I, they talked about a growing thing, said it was no big deal.

62:04They talked about what was the other one, a calf.

62:07It was also said to be no big deal.

62:10I don't think Keenan's a Keenan Allen's 34. If he runs a lot of, anyway, you're good with downs, right?

62:16Super good with downs. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that.

62:19We're going to do Josh downs and a wide receiver heavy room.

62:22So we do have Tyler Warren, but I was going to, I was just going to say, is that dumb to take with Warren, but maybe.

62:30No, I mean, I'm, I'm okay with it. We have Walker lamb, Warren.

62:34I mean, it's not ideal probably, but Walker lamb, Warren waddle, a dunze, Lloyd Brooks and downs.

62:39I do think in some respects their, their upside cases probably cannibalize each other a little bit, but in some respects, like,

62:46I think this price is fine on downs. If something were to happen to Warren downs is a great play here.

62:52And it kind of provides a little additional floor to the build in some ways.

62:57The, the Wilson thing you said, do I not put any stock in it?

63:01I mean, it's not that I don't put any stock in it, but it's an incredibly small sample, especially when you consider

63:08that Wilson, you know, pretty clearly broke out last year.

63:11And obviously the Cardinals agree with that. Cause they just paid him $75 million.

63:15Um, like he broke out last year with Jacoby Brissett.

63:18He got to, you know, it's a later breakout, certainly not ideal, but like, it's not that I don't put stock in

63:24that, but I do put a lot of stock in the current iteration of the NFL in scheme mattering.

63:30I wrote a piece early in the off season about scheme being more important than ever.

63:35The way that LaFleur wants to run this was pretty clear to me in the preseason.

63:40They were, they've talked about Wilson and the Puka role.

63:43I don't think like people fully understand what that means, but it's the whole idea of like being the move guy who

63:50inserts in like blocking lanes, like almost as a fullback.

63:53They were doing that with Wilson in the preseason.

63:55And then they, because of that, the plays run off of that.

63:59When we talk about Puka role or the Cooper cup role before that, sometimes it's like motioning in and then sprinting to the flat for an easy reception.

64:07It's like a guaranteed reception. The catch rate on that play has to be 95%.

64:12And it's a catch and run play. Well, they ran that in the preseason.

64:16They ran it again with Jalen Brooks after Wilson was off the field.

64:20Um, and it just seems extremely clear that that's what Wilson's going to do.

64:24And that Harrison's going to be on the outside.

64:27It doesn't mean that Harrison can't be good. Also.

64:30I just think it's like, I think, I think it's fairly clear at this point in my read of how the offense

64:36is going to work and all of that. Like, I don't think Harrison can't hit.

64:41I think it's fairly clear that Wilson's going to get more targets and have more volume and it's full PPR.

64:47And I don't think he's going to do nothing just because of past splits in a completely different offense where we've seen

64:54them talk about his role in that way. And we've seen them now do it in the preseason.

64:59And that's really where it clicked for me. The, the drive where Harrison scored the TD and everyone was like, look, Harrison's the guy.

65:06Harrison was not involved in that drive at all.

65:09Wilson had two very easy catches. And then Harrison caught a play action touchdown in the red zone, which was great, but

65:16it was the only time he was even like looked at on the drive.

65:20And it was like, Oh, Wilson's the guy that the offense is like revolving around here.

65:25Harrison's the guy that they went to off a play action play and he got a score and you know, he'll have

65:32some touchdowns and you'll have some explosive plays. And I do think he like his profile is not at all disqualifying.

65:38You know, when I wrote about like, when I wrote a field tippers in this off season and wrote him up, I

65:45was like, people think he's a lot worse than he was.

65:48And the fact that you can get him in the sixth round is pretty silly.

65:52We passed him on the seventh in that one draft.

65:55It is, it is silly. I get it. But Michael Wilson's going like meaningfully later than that.

66:01We're talking about Michael Wilson at eight Oh three there.

66:04We ended up taking downs. Concepcion's the next receiver to go.

66:07There's no receivers really going in this range. Cause I think a lot of people think this is sort of like where

66:14an end of a tier exists and Wilson like sort of being at the back of that to me is, I think

66:20it's a very viable spot to take him personally.

66:23Yeah, I could be, I mean, I, I think you make a, a very compelling case.

66:28Um, about how this, you know, this offense could be designed and I, and I've seen it by other sharp people too.

66:34I really, really strongly get on board with the Michael Wilson thing.

66:38Like just, I, to me, it would be, it would be such an exception rule, like to go for this guy who

66:45is a second half of year three breakout kind of from nowhere.

66:48Um, like, you know, it's somewhat similar to the Parker Washington thing, but I guess with Washington, it's at least, you know,

66:55okay, this guy's in the exact same role as he was last year with the same coach with the same players around him.

67:02I mean, Wilson, like, I mean, you were talking about it being a small sample.

67:06Like, I mean, to me, the small sample is Wilson being good.

67:10Like the small sample is of the games that Wilson played with Jacoby, where he was productive.

67:15A lot of that was like routes based. Um, but he was efficient in, in that sample, but like Wilson's yards per

67:22hour run last year when Harrison was on the field was even lower than it was the first two years.

67:28It was 0.79 in, in games that Wilson ran at least 15 route or that Harrison ran at least 15 routes.

67:34So the first five games when Kyler was, was the quarterback, he had eight catches in five games.

67:40He was still a very clearly ancillary player. And then the next few games, he didn't do a lot.

67:46And that's when Harrison was the majority of the Harrison split is there.

67:49Harrison gets hurt. He goes 18 targets, 15 catches, 15 targets, 10 catches.

67:53Uh, I think Harrison was back for one of these games and maybe it was the one where he only had seven targets and three catches.

68:01Then he has 16 targets, 11 catches, 11 targets and five.

68:05When Harrison came back after that point, they're like writing, stealing signals being like, um, and obviously you're following it from a

68:11weekly basis too, but being in the moment, the way that I wrote it was like, I expected Harrison to come back and be fed.

68:19This was a loss season. They were three and 14 Harrison's a year two player, top five overall pick.

68:25It was the regime that like, they're trying to save their jobs.

68:28It was like pretty clear to me that when Harrison came back, that like Michael Wilson was not going to just dunk on Harrison.

68:35They were going to manufacture stuff for Harrison. Harrison wasn't particularly good in that stretch either.

68:40But the fact that Harrison, like it really felt like forced at that point.

68:45And then he missed him a little bit more time.

68:48And it was almost like they did the, like JJ McCarthy, like fake ankle injury when they wanted to go to Carson Wentz thing.

68:55And I don't, I don't know that was necessarily entirely true, but it was, it was like, I mean, we can't justify

69:01not building the offense out of, uh, out of Michael Wilson right now because we're like force feeding Marvin Harrison and it's not really working.

69:09And maybe Marvin Harrison's just not healthy. It's another interpretation at that point.

69:13My point is like after the breakout occurred, after Harrison missed time, when he tried to come back a little bit, basically did nothing.

69:20And they then basically like deactivated him again and shut him down.

69:24And so I just, I think there's, there's context to even those splits that I'm not saying you're like, you're missing, but,

69:30um, anyway, we, we don't have to, we don't have to take him in this draft and we don't have to take

69:37him in any of our drafts because we think we're only, we got one more scheduled together, but, um, I do think

69:44like, I understand you struggle to get on board with it.

69:47And one of the other long view points is the, is the long view of the actual league and the evolution of the sport.

69:54And the fact that Parker Washington has become that kind of guy.

69:58And the fact that there's been several others, I think that are limited players that are being used effectively, uh, in a

70:05more scheme based NFL where, um, you know, all of the young coaches taking over all the roles and all of that

70:11stuff that we've, you know, seen, I just think is all very fascinating and all points in a direction of some of these types of things could exist.

70:20I don't think it's really that much of an exception to a rule from that perspective.

70:25I understand that. Like, if you are very long view profile based, it seems like Michael Wilson's probably not going to be great.

70:32I also would have told you that he couldn't possibly have had three games with 15 plus targets last year, but he did that too.

70:39And I know you can say it's routes based, but like 15 plus targets on route volume or not is, you know, it's a lot of volume.

70:47So it's a, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out for sure.

70:52But I think he's a, I think he's a pretty viable, like wide receiver for Sean goes Addison there.

70:57We are down to worthy. McKay lemon. What's up?

71:00Oh, I was just gonna, I was just gonna say, I think, I think it's McKay lemon here.

71:05Is it not? Um, yeah. I mean, he's been sliding a lot.

71:09I really like him. The other guy I was gonna mention was, uh, Terrence Ferguson goes in this range.

71:15That's interesting. I don't know that I've really gotten a lot of him, but I think McKay lemon's a really fun pick with this build.

71:22We have a dunes, a downs that are kind of more floor type plays to me.

71:27What's your ideal split of the two picks we have?

71:30Is it, is it two receivers, a receiver, running back receiver, tight end?

71:34I don't have a strong opinion on that. All right.

71:37Um, it's, let's take a wide receiver. All right.

71:40I don't have a lot of lemon. I would like to get a share of lemon.

71:45Okay. I take a lot of worthy at this point.

71:48Um, getting a share of McKay. I, I, I very much believe that McKay lemon is a steal at nine, 10 is,

71:54is grossly mispriced more than around behind Casey Concepcion.

71:57Um, so, and we've talked about that. So yeah, I like that.

72:01That's a good call. Um, so Ferguson is an option.

72:04Yep. And like worthy is an option for some people.

72:07Stefan, did Stefan Diggs not go yet? No, he's available.

72:10I think he's definitely an option. Um, at, at this range.

72:13I mean, that's, that's a pretty big faller people.

72:16I think people are over panicking about the Washington offense.

72:19Like Jane Daniels is still here. We're at the nine, 10 turn.

72:23Now digs goes. Um, so worthy is my top receiver, but I don't know if we have to go receiver.

72:29We could. Terrence Ferguson, you mentioned, I think is a strong option.

72:32I would normally throw it. Alec Pierce here, but we have two Colts already.

72:37I think that's a moratorium on Colts. Yeah. We're not taking Alec Pierce.

72:40Um, so the other pick is, is Keith Mitchell.

72:43Yeah, that's, we could do that. I'd, I'd probably be inclined to take some other running backs.

72:48If we went in the running back direction, specifically, I mean, my top running back would be Rashad White.

72:54I mean, chance, chance to just like bat out on a vigorous backfield as a pathway to be a starter.

73:00Yeah. No, they're, they're going to be terrible as you just alluded to.

73:04And Terrence Ferguson. I don't think they're going to be terrible.

73:07Uh, no, I think you made a great point that they're going to be terrible.

73:12No, the fact that Ja'Goye Grosky-Mirrit is not going to be terrible.

73:16Practicing a bunch of receiving. I just, they're, they're not going to throw to their backs a lot anyway.

73:21I think he can be fine, but I, I'm, I have him.

73:25Quite a waste. I was into it early, but like the camp news on Ja'Goye Grosky-Mirrit really got me off that.

73:31And then how, how the offense shifted. Now with all the line stuff, maybe that means more dump offs to him anyway.

73:38And the other direction we need for him and pass pro.

73:41Um, but if he's a non-starter, I mean, another running back I'd throw out is Josh Jacobs.

73:46I know he took Lloyd. Um, I don't know if that makes you more or less likely to consider Jacob.

73:52Not in a main. I'm not taking both those guys.

73:56I think that's a bad, bad call. We have 45 seconds.

73:59We don't have to go Keaton. You're not into him.

74:02You had Jonah Coleman in the queue. I think he'd come all the way back with the injury.

74:07I guess we have Sean in front of us, so maybe he won't, but.

74:12No, maybe he won't. We have Jonah Coleman in the queue.

74:15Do you, I mean. Coleman's fun. I mean. I like Keaton over Coleman.

74:19What about Xavier Worthy? And then try to get a running back to us.

74:23Yeah, I'm definitely into Xavier Worthy. He's my top ranked player in a vacuum.

74:27As long as it makes sense positionally. He'd be what?

74:30Our wide receiver six. We could basically be done at receiver.

74:34Right. That's the idea. I'm in on that. I'm in on that call.

74:38It's too worthy. Okay. It's early at 10.03 for Worthy, but.

74:41Not that early. It's fine. Oh, that's probably going to make Sean mad.

74:45He only has three receivers. He probably wanted Worthy.

74:48Take Alec Pierce, Sean. You'll like it. He's going to outscore Michael Wilson.

74:51He's probably not happy. Whoops. We couldn't decide on a running back.

74:55It's a tough running back spot. Yeah, it is.

74:58This is a tricky draft. I mean. So you also have JCM pretty far down.

75:02Like you're that out on the commanders producing a viable running back this year.

75:07So I went to Kobe Lane, by the way.

75:09That's an interesting. He really likes Lane. It was very clearly the last of a tier at wide receiver.

75:15I was just texting him that we couldn't decide on a running back.

75:19And I didn't. I mean, that was a painful snipe.

75:22We ran the clock way down and then took Worthy.

75:25Yeah. I don't know what else we could have done there.

75:28We could have went with a tight end. I don't think we're going with Jaden Daniels.

75:33After T-Ferg, right? We could have gone Jaden, but I think we have like we have Lam.

75:38So like Dak makes a lot of sense later.

75:41I should have just gave you Rashad White. With Lloyd and Brooks, I should have just gave you Rashad White.

75:47I have him pretty far down. Maybe that's a mistake at this point.

75:51But... Yeah, I think that's probably one of our biggest discrepancies.

75:54Is both of the Washington running backs. I liked a lot of what I heard early in the offseason.

76:00I liked a lot of the stuff that we...

76:03That I saw when I was doing the projections.

76:06And I had him ranked pretty aggressively. And I had him as a target, actually.

76:10Because they're talking a ton about him in past work.

76:13And I did a little looking into... Like, obviously, Jaden Daniels is a mobile QB.

76:18He's not going to throw to the backs a lot.

76:21I did a little looking into Austin Eckler, who only ended up playing 14 games with him over the two...

76:27Seasons. But he did average a decent number of targets per game.

76:30Not like crazy different than earlier in his career.

76:33And... Sean texted me back. He said, that was the only pick if you didn't go Daniels.

76:38Which I was thinking Daniels too. But that was sort of...

76:42He understood. Anyway... I... I liked some of that stuff.

76:45That they actually used a guy with a running back background.

76:48Who... Excuse me. A receiving background at running back.

76:51They found ways to use him in the passing game with Jaden Daniels over the last couple of years.

76:56Thought that was maybe optimistic for White. But again, I still...

77:00Like, in the back of my mind, very confidently feel that it's going to be a small pie.

77:05Everything they did with that offense. And they have a new coordinator.

77:09But he worked under Cliff Kingsbury. The idea is they're going to do some of the different things.

77:14Like, some of the under center things. But still, I think, keep a lot of what Daniels does well.

77:20Which is the shotgun stuff. A lot of the stuff they would do in that offense was like wide receiver quick screens and things.

77:27And so... You do have the potential for, you know, quick hits to the perimeter for a lot of these other guys.

77:34Probably, you know, some of the younger guys. Maybe they use McCaffrey.

77:38Luke McCaffrey. They kept seven receivers. They got, you know...

77:41Oconquo now. They kept Luke McCaffrey. They kept Jacoby Lane.

77:44They kept all these dudes. They kept all these dudes.

77:47That could do some ball-in-hand stuff. What have you.

77:49And so, again, I think it's kind of a small pie for the running backs and targets generally.

77:55The thing that was optimistic for me about, you know, thinking, okay, well, he could get three, four targets per game.

78:01Was this idea that Jacoby Krosky-Meritt had a 7% targets per outrun last year.

78:05Which is one of these points of... That's absurdly low.

78:08Anything under 10% is low. 7% absurdly low. And it's a, you know, it's a reminder that, like, you can be out

78:15in routes in a J and Daniels offense. He's probably either going to push it vertically or he's going to extend until he does.

78:22Maybe take a sack or scramble. Like, it's not going to be check down time, typically speaking.

78:27And then they were talking in camp, like, they're really working with Jacoby Krosky-Meritt on his receiving.

78:33And they want him to be doing that stuff.

78:35And to me, that was just like, you already had him as a, you know, a year or two back.

78:41Some rushing upside. Had 808 on the ground last year.

78:44Rashad White's never been an efficient runner. I think, like, part of the point for me with White was, like, he could

78:51get kind of all of the pie for the receiving work.

78:54And then also, he's got a little bit of size.

78:57And maybe he could take some of the Chris Rodriguez stuff.

79:01Maybe take some of the goal line stuff, etc.

79:03It just doesn't seem like that's likely. He kind of lost all that work in Tampa because he has such a slow first step.

79:11Like, it doesn't matter if you're a big back if you can't actually get back to the line of scrimmage effectively.

79:17Behind a bad line. I mean, Daniels can help the rushing efficiency.

79:21Part of my initial thought was, like, with the slow first step, like, Daniels at least can help the rushing efficiency.

79:27Hold the defensive ends. Create some wider splits. Maybe he gets some, you know, gets a head of steam going and gets some bigger runs at times.

79:35I don't think that's going to play up in the red zone, basically.

79:39Like, everything is tighter in the red zone regardless.

79:42And so, I don't know. It's just kind of tricky for me to see if he's not getting enough target volume.

79:48Which I think was already kind of a capped path for him in this offense.

79:53And now it's like, if Gainwell's, or I mean, Gainwell.

79:56If Ja'Kory Kroski Merritt's going to play on early downs at all, it just seems.

80:00Or get targets on early downs is what I meant to say.

80:04Get some of the called screens and things. If they're going to do some of that for Ja'Kory Kroski Merritt, it just seems rough for White.

80:12And then the other part of it is, like, the contract.

80:15Like, working through that stuff as I do as I go through the projections.

80:19Kind of understanding the market on players, etc. Rashad White got $2 million.

80:23He got $1.715 fully guaranteed. $2 million is the cap number, is the max.

80:28It's a one-year deal, maximum of $2 million. They did give him guaranteed money to make sure, you know, he knows he's

80:34going to be a part of the roster. But, like, not a good deal for a 27-year-old that has had fantasy value in the past.

80:42But the free agent market argued people didn't really think he was that good or worth really, you know, pursuing.

80:48Maybe that's, you know, misunderstanding how Washington is going to use him because they may still use him effectively, you know.

80:54I think the most of my pushback would be on the pie argument.

80:58Like, I'm actually not that. I'm not really opposed to anything he said about the White-JCM thing.

81:03I think that's actually the most likely path. Because I, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I also have JCM

81:10ranked a lot higher than you do. Like, I think it's like, to me, it's more about a situational disagreement.

81:16So, Washington last year had really low backfield XFP.

81:19To me, that was more a function of they lost Eckler almost immediately.

81:23Their running backs were Ja'Cory Krosky, Merritt, Chris Rodriguez, Jeremy Nichols.

81:26Like, they didn't really have a guy that they wanted to design passing work around.

81:30And then they also didn't have Jaden Daniels for a large portion of the year, which I think really hurt their offense.

81:37This year, like, I'm expecting it to look more like 2024, which is they were completely middle of the pack backfield XFP.

81:44They're 18th out of 32, which, you know, for two running backs that are being drafted outside the top 30, I think is more than good enough.

81:52That was a great team that had a lot of, like, overall offensive points.

81:56But it was a great team because of Jaden Daniels.

81:59Like, was that roster better than this roster? I think, not necessarily, but I think being middle of the pack on a

82:06team that made the conference championship is actually, like, I'm trying to argue that that's actually, like, the ceiling, you know?

82:12Not like the median. Sure, but I think if they were, I don't know that that's the ceiling.

82:18But, I mean, as long as they're not one of the worst teams in backfield XFP this year, I think that one

82:24of JCM or Rashad White at their respective prices will be a pretty strong pick.

82:29Unless Katron Allen gets into a much bigger role, which I'm personally bearish on.

82:33Like, I think either JCM is going to do what they want him to do and be that all-around back, in which

82:40case I think he's a really great pick where he goes, or he won't.

82:44And then Rashad White's the only option in terms of a guy who can consolidate work and can keep them on schedule in all phases.

82:52And then I think he's going to be a really good pick where he goes.

82:56I'm very bullish on one of these guys being a great pick.

83:00I don't know which one it's going to be, but I'm very overweight both.

83:04Okay. Yeah, no. I mean... All right. We're going to get Mitchell here now, right?

83:09Sean takes Chris Rodriguez. The only other pick that I see is if we wanted to just take Justin Herbert.

83:15The guy behind us has both Burrow and Caleb.

83:17Herbert has fallen all the way through to QB 10.

83:20But I think we just want to take Keaton Mitchell.

83:23Yeah, I think it's a pretty massive tear break at running back after Mitchell.

83:28Oh, you have Bo Nix in the queue. I actually love that because we have Waddle.

83:32Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have other paths at QB.

83:35All right, Keaton Mitchell. Let's do Missal. Okay. Now I'm actually very happy with what we did last round because...

83:41Yeah, I wanted to take Mitchell. I was very scared we were going to get fully shut out of running back and

83:48that we were going to do the thing where we disagreed on the running back.

83:52So then we took a receiver and then we wound up with no running backs.

83:57But I think... So is Algier still out there?

84:00Oh, no. He went in this round. 11.03. Herbert goes at the turn to the one drafter behind us who didn't have a QB.

84:07I kind of suspected that would be the case.

84:10The question is, do we just have to pull the trigger on Nix now?

84:14What's his ADP? I'm not keeping track of ADP well.

84:17I don't... As we... I personally don't think we need to, but I also don't know if there's a pick out there that is worth not doing it.

84:25He's at 1305. Purdy, Nix, Goff, Stafford, and Mahomes are all there.

84:29Purdy has a QB3. Oh my God, we have a three quarterback team.

84:33And we also have a Lamar Daniels team. So we probably should throw out the expected quarterback ADP because there's going to be inflation created by...

84:41If we were going to not take a quarterback, I would advocate for a tight end.

84:46So there's like the tier of Schultz, Sadiq, Strange.

84:48I think that we might be down to like Dulcich, Barner, Hawkinson by the time we're next on the clock.

84:54Schultz is behind ADP. You like Schultz a lot.

84:57He's the one you get really excited about, right?

85:00I do. But you like Sadiq. Who do you prefer the two?

85:03I'd be happy with either of them. Um, Strange is also highest by ADP, but I like Schultz and Sadiq more.

85:10I get Sadiq in every single draft with Sean.

85:13I have him on almost every single team. So I would rather just take the ADP faller on Schultz, to be honest with you.

85:20Sure. Or I mean, TyJ Spears is a decent pick here.

85:23Okay. No, you don't let go. All right. Okay.

85:26We're going to go Schultz. Yeah. No, I would have been open to Schultz.

85:30That was a real... I think you like heard that as a polite but dismissive okay.

85:35That was a real like, I'm considering this. And then I looked at the clock and I was like, fuck, I have four seconds to consider this.

85:43Oh, my bad. I should have mentioned it before.

85:46I... That would have been a fine. Yeah. Just because we have Lloyd, Brooks, and Keaton Missal, I kind of think we're in really fragile territory.

85:54I mean, Kenneth Walker is our RB1. Like, TyJ Spears does the Rashad White thing for me to this build.

86:00Uh, we're not going to get him back and that's fine.

86:03You were worried about getting boxed out. I thought that was maybe an option, but...

86:08Yeah. I think Spears would have been a good pick.

86:11I think Schultz is a good pick too, though.

86:13I like Spears. Um... Yeah. It would have been a couple picks behind ADP for Spears, but it would have been...

86:20We could have pushed tight end. I think Spears was the right pick.

86:24I should have said it earlier. We had five seconds on the clock.

86:28I... Yeah. I do think we could have... Because we already have Warren.

86:31I think we could have pushed tight end too.

86:34There's been a lot of tight ends that have gone, but the drafter behind us is the only one who doesn't have one.

86:41And there's a bunch of people down here that have two already.

86:45So, like, the idea that... And, like, so Schultz, Hunter Henry, Kenyon, Sadiq, Hawkinson.

86:49I still think Friar Muth is a fine number two.

86:52Otten, Barner, Charlie Kohler. Like, there's guys that we could have played.

86:56I think Spears is probably the last for what we're looking for at running back.

87:00Unless you like Dylan Sampson. Samson might give you something similar.

87:04Yeah. I like Dylan Sampson. I think he's a good pick.

87:07I think I'm on your side now that Spears is probably the right call.

87:11And, yeah, don't... It's not just on you for not floating him earlier.

87:15I have... I have eyes to the queue. I should have seen that, too, and thought through that one.

87:21He now goes. He was never going to make it back.

87:24Yeah, we probably do need to take some... I'm not that worried about the running back early season stuff.

87:30Like, I think Lloyd is going to be a pretty easy start early season.

87:34Brooks, like, sounds like he will also be fine.

87:37And I don't think we'll need Mitchell to super early season.

87:40Dylan Sampson goes to... That's too bad. I'm going to...

87:43Yeah. The Spears thing... We're pretty much now in pure backup territory for running backs.

87:48This is one of the things where, you know, people will say collusion and stuff.

87:52Sean's always higher than me on Spears. Honest to God, the Spears thing, the reason I didn't say it earlier in the

87:59clock was it got in my head that it was like, oh, we just sniped Sean on Xavier Worthy.

88:05We'll probably snipe him on Spears here. But he didn't even take him.

88:09He took Denzel Boston. He already has six running backs.

88:12It's actually one of these things... I'm just pointing out to, like, the listeners or whatever.

88:16It's a weird dynamic. I don't want to be a dick to somebody that I, you know, draft with a lot and I like.

88:24And I felt bad about the Xavier Worthy one last time.

88:27And honest to God, the reason I was, like, so late in bringing up Spears and, like, rejecting him...

88:33Well, Sean's mentioned him to me a bunch of times and I'm always out on him.

88:38And he always says on our show, we have, you know, that I'm lower on Spears than him.

88:43But Spears was the obvious pick for this build, even though I'm lower than him on him.

88:48He was the top in my rankings. He was the last of a tier even.

88:53And I didn't bring him up because... So anyone who says, oh, we had some, you know, advantage in this draft, I'll

88:59point out that that just cost us. It absolutely just cost us.

89:03100%. The only reason that I wasn't floating him as the last in a tier was I was like, I don't want

89:10to be a dick to Sean again. And then meanwhile, Sean didn't even take him.

89:14And he probably didn't even think about taking him because he has six running backs.

89:19Yeah. Yeah. He has six RBs, four receivers at that point.

89:22Can you scroll down a little bit just so people can see the picks coming?

89:27Oh, sure. There we go. But golf goes... I'm curious, so had C-Rod made it.

89:31Like, I definitely would have given you Missal if you wanted him, especially since I talked you out of him at the previous pick.

89:38But who would have you preferred between the two?

89:41C-Rod and Keaton Mitchell? I had that same disagreement last night.

89:44I took Mitchell in that one too. I think it's kind of build dependent.

89:49And I could have seen taking Rodriguez in this build for sure.

89:52Because like a little bit more stability, whatever. The same thing as the Rashad White stuff we were talking about.

89:58I was going to ask you about White. What do you think the real ceiling is there?

90:04I think the ceiling for White is big, honestly.

90:06I really do. I know no one else agrees with me on this.

90:10And I don't think that it's like the most likely outcome, obviously.

90:14But I think that the ceiling is that their plan is JCM is our lead back.

90:19White is our receiving complement. But the expected growth that they're hoping for out of JCM as a receiver and as a pass protector does not pay off.

90:27It's a team with offensive line issues. It's a team that probably I don't expect to like be...

90:33I don't think they're going to be as bad on offense as people expect.

90:37But I don't think that they're going to be a team that is consistently playing from positive game script.

90:43And I think that they may come to value what White provides as a receiver, as a pass protector, and as a

90:49guy who allows them to run their full offense, especially in neutral or negative game script, more than what they get out of JCM.

90:56And I could see him snap consolidating and playing like 60-65% of snaps fairly early into the season and being a every week RB2.

91:04Fair enough. Pretty strong disagreement for me, but fair enough.

91:07But I'm also into JCM. Like I don't... It's a team bet.

91:10It's not like a strong White versus JCM stand.

91:13I like both, but... So the only running backs that have gone since our last pick are Spears and Samson.

91:19All of Goff, Love, Dart, and Mahomes went. That leaves...

91:22Nix is still there. It leaves Nix. It leaves Stafford, who's a solid pick just generally.

91:27And it leaves Kyler as well. And I wouldn't mind...

91:30I wouldn't be opposed to going QBQB here. Well, the one thing I was going to float that might be of interest

91:37to you or might not is I think we could really push QB2 because we have Warren and Downs.

91:42So I think adding Daniel Jones as a late QB2 would make a lot of sense.

91:47Yeah. I mean, I don't disagree, but I don't...

91:50I don't think you have to stack in the main as much as you have to in best ball at all.

91:56I don't mind it. I don't think you have to stack.

92:00I think it's more just the standpoint of... I think we bet that the Colts offense is going to be an offense you want to invest in.

92:08And if that bet is correct, then I think Jones just becomes a legitimately good quarterback pick.

92:13I mean, I disagree, I guess. I think Jones is probably a better pick on a Jonathan Taylor team.

92:19I mean, Tyler Warren and Titan Premium is very much volume-based.

92:22And Josh Downs is also going to be volume-based.

92:25And I don't think it requires Daniel Jones to be a good fantasy quarterback.

92:29I think you want more quarterback ceiling than a bunch of completions.

92:33You know? I mean... I don't... I understand your point broadly that we're on both the guys.

92:38And so there's got to be pass volume and we want, you know, reception volume and all that stuff.

92:44I'm saying, like, relative to a bet on the entire offense, this is a situation where just because we have two pass

92:50catchers, I don't think we're betting on Daniel Jones to be...

92:54We still need him to score points, but, like, differentiating QB scores, like ceiling scores, why would we need him to be

93:00a 25-plus fantasy point per game guy or scoring even 25-plus?

93:04He could easily have a 15-point game and both of our guys could get there.

93:08We'll see. Sean gets us back for the worthy pick there.

93:11It's funny. I thought he might go Kyler with Addison, but I know Sean's not a big Kyler guy.

93:17The... I think we... So Kyler is, like, a clear tear break above the rest of the quarterbacks.

93:23Maybe we take him here, but that... You don't like Stafford?

93:26I would float as big... He's gone. Oh, I missed Stafford.

93:29Okay. Then I think we should take him. I bring up Bigsby at running back, too.

93:34I have him next up. I also have Ray Davis in that group.

93:38Okay. And I also think, like, you can argue Malik Davis in this range.

93:42Okay. As a similar play. Obviously... So maybe Kyle...

93:45So is Kyler the pick would be most pissed about missing out on here?

93:49Yeah. And I think the guy on the turn could easily take him.

93:53Totally could. Okay. Let's do that first, then. The guy on the turn took Herbert last time as a faller and sort

94:00of last of a tier at QB. But that's the only QB he has.

94:04Probably won't take him. The other guy has three QBs.

94:07But... I mean, that guy just keeps drafting QBs.

94:10And he has Justin Jefferson. So it wouldn't even shock me if that guy took Kyler at this point.

94:16I missed it. Oh, Stafford went two picks ahead of us.

94:19So when Stafford, Nixon, then us... Pigsby goes one pick behind us.

94:23That sucks. Of course. Yeah. So... I don't think it's the end of the world, though.

94:27You had said you had guys at a similar tier.

94:30And I think that the guys you'd suggested make sense.

94:33We maybe should have just taken Pigsby. His ADP has been early 12 and it's the late 13.

94:39I am... I'm so rattled by the weird dynamic of this that I'm not even, like, tracking the ADP stuff.

94:45This is a... I agree with your take that this is a handicap.

94:49A one-arm-behind-the-back situation. But you gotta deal with it.

94:52It is what it is. Yeah, the Knicks pick hurts.

94:55Obviously, I don't think it was anything personal. But it still hurts, nonetheless.

94:59Sean doesn't even think about stacking very much in these.

95:02He doesn't have... Oh, I guess he does have RJ Harvey.

95:05He probably liked that stack. It wouldn't have even been a stacking thing.

95:09It's just like he... The stack is a bonus.

95:12But he also just would have been clearly my top quarterback, even without having Kyler.

95:16I definitely think, though, even though Bigsby going hurts, Tyler Schock just went off the board, which to me confirms that Kyler

95:23Murray would probably not have made it back. So I'm happy we did what we did.

95:28Great point. So you'd mentioned Ray Davis. Another name I'd throw out is Kalen Black.

95:32I don't know how you feel about the San Francisco RB2.

95:35I have him... So I have Ray Davis, Malik Davis, and Kalen Black as the next three.

95:41I know you mentioned not... Or you didn't seem thrilled about Malik Davis, but...

95:45No, I'm open to Malik Davis. Let's do... To me, all these guys are kind of the same, right?

95:51But I think Ray is the one who has the best profile in a vacuum.

95:55So let's do Ray. Yeah. He's your top? He'd be my top.

95:59He's my top. Easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That's what I thought you were saying, too.

96:04Okay, cool. I'm going to cut you off. Yeah.

96:06No. Yeah, I was just saying I don't think Ray Davis is that different than Tank Bigsby.

96:11So to your point, that Tyler Shuck went as a QB2 on the turn, like, yeah, probably Kyler would have gone.

96:18Although that guy has Jordan Tyson. I don't know.

96:20Maybe he's a Saint fan. But it does feel like, you know, the possibility that he was going to go QB at the turn was there.

96:28And Kyler Ray Davis is nice. I like the Daniel Jones pick a lot now.

96:33Sorry. I thought we could... I thought you were talking about, like, playing for Daniel Jones versus the possibility of going, like,

96:40Nick's Kyler at that turn was something that I was like, I wanted to have...

96:44At the 13-14 turn, that kind of QB upside to me would be really meaningful.

96:49I wasn't trying to poo-poo the idea that Daniel Jones makes sense in this build entirely.

96:53But I don't think we, like, made such a big bet on the Colts through two lower ADOT receptions-based receivers that we may not even play together every...

97:02Like, Downs isn't even technically a starter for the way that, like, our build went.

97:06No. So, we can start him. And obviously, we will start him at times.

97:11But... Probably an early season starter, like, depending on how quickly Brooks becomes a starter for us.

97:16But you get what I was saying there, right?

97:19It wasn't that, like... I do get what you were saying.

97:22I think I still probably prefer the quarterback-running back Jones-later versus quarterback-quarterback.

97:26But... Okay. I don't know. It's a tight margin.

97:28And obviously, it became not really a decision the way it went anyway.

97:32But, yeah. The Knicks one stings. I love Bo Nix this year.

97:36And it would have been a bonus to have him on the team that we have Waddle.

97:41But I like Kyler, too. This is probably making fun.

97:44I'm glad we went Kyler first because I think that's, like...

97:47Kyler, to me, is probably my least favorite of the tier.

97:51But he is firmly in the tier, at least, with Knicks and Stafford and Dart and Love and, like, all the guys that went in that round.

97:59Once you get past him, then it's, like, Baker, Shock, Daniel Jones.

98:02That's a teardrop. So, I'm really glad we got Kyler, at least.

98:06Had we passed on him for Bigsby... Like, Kyler Ray Davis is way better than Tank Bigsby.

98:11I mean, what would we have done at quarterback?

98:14Baker Mayfield? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, Mayfield's the other one.

98:18But I have Mayfield down a tier. And I have Daniel Jones up a tier than probably most people.

98:23I have them in the same tier. I do.

98:26So, I have a little transitional tier. Love is sort of the last of the earlier tier for me that Kyler's in.

98:33And then I have Baker, Malik Willis, Tyler Shuck, and Daniel Jones as a sort of transitional tier.

98:38I do like Daniel Jones as, like, he's the one that doesn't fit there for most people, probably.

98:44I do like him as the best of the group that includes Stroud, Donald, Ward, all those guys, just in a vacuum.

98:50So, the fact that we do have Downs and Warren, like, now I really hope we get Daniel Jones.

98:56Like, I want to be clear about that. I, like, because Kyler could be interesting or he could be bad.

99:02I like, you know, I... Part of my point is to win the sprint, to win the main event, to do this

99:09stuff, you do need some quarterback upside. And so, that was sort of the argument.

99:13And I don't think what you were saying is wrong, that it could exist alongside both Downs and Warren having upside.

99:20Like, obviously, stacking is a thing. I was just saying I didn't think, like, it was a massive bet on the offense

99:26to have low-A dot, you know, catch-related guys. They don't even have to score a lot of points for those guys.

99:33Like, it could be like what... This is, you know, one outcome, whatever.

99:37But it could be like what happened with the Cardinals last year, where, like, Jacoby Brissett was fine.

99:42But when he was peppering Trey McBride and Michael Wilson in late-game situations, those guys were both smashing for PPR leagues without really scoring a bunch of touchdowns.

99:50I mean, McBride was scoring. That was an extreme version of it.

99:54But, like, you could have a quarterback who's completing a lot of passes...

99:58Totally. ...to those types of players. And they're going to be great in fantasy.

100:02And it doesn't even necessarily mean that you're making a huge bet on the offense.

100:07What's sort of my point? I think that that's certainly an outcome.

100:10Like, completely is an outcome. The... Maybe the thing that I would take slight umbrage with is...

100:16I think each of Downs and Warren have volume-based paths that are not very correlated to Daniel Jones' upside.

100:21I do think when you take both, you're betting on the efficiency more so.

100:26Because, like, I think there are... Part of the volume-based, like, pure volume-based argument for Warren and Downs comes somewhat at the expense of the other.

100:33Yeah. But the way that they both smash, I think, is a little bit more reliant on efficiency.

100:39Yeah. I was too dismissive of that. You're right.

100:42It absolutely correlates the same direction. I was kind of aggressively efficient about it.

100:46I just... I really wanted to float the idea of targeting QB upside.

100:50And the whole thing is like... Some people would be like, why don't you just take Daniel Jones later, too?

100:56And, I mean, it's just tough to take three QBs and carry them in this format.

101:01So, it was kind of like, if we could get two meaningfully upside QBs at the 13-14 turn, I didn't want to pass up on that.

101:08Strictly because of the Daniel Jones thing. But you're right.

101:12You're totally right on this. I'm the one that's...

101:14No, I think it's... I think there was... I mean, it didn't end up even being possible.

101:19But I think there was definitely a good case for, like, a Bo-Kyler turn or Stafford if he had fallen.

101:25Malik Davis goes. So has Kalen Black. So has Braylon, who we didn't even talk about, but I had him in the queue.

101:32That's kind of like a tier of running back now that's been washed out.

101:37So the pick... Who are some of your favorite, like, late running backs?

101:41Yeah, I mean, like, DeMond Claiborne, Brashad Smith are fun guys that I have as targets.

101:45They're the last two targets for me on my list.

101:48Caleb Johnson makes sense on the Marshawn Lloyd team.

101:51I don't mind, like, considering Caleb Johnson. The pick that I was going to float to you is...

101:57McGowan. Because... And particularly because we have Warren and Downs.

102:00And I was just talking about, like, a meltdown scenario for the Cardinals offense leading to a lot of volume for guys like that.

102:07If something were to happen to JT, does that mean that this offense becomes, you know, a lot more pass-heavy and a lot more short targets?

102:15I think definitely it does, right? It has to.

102:17So we're kind of already bet on that. And then, yeah, I mean, I have a ton on Taylor already, but the

102:24Warren-Downs correlated ceiling is probably an anti-Jonathan Taylor bet.

102:27So why not just correlate Seth McGowan into it?

102:30I like that a lot. I forget what main it was.

102:33I think it was... I don't know. There was one of these drafts that I did, I think, with Ryan Heath.

102:39And we had done kind of a similar thing where I think we had Devonta Smith, and then we took Bigsby, and

102:46I'd made a similar point in that direction. I think the McGowan pick makes a ton of sense.

102:51Other names in the queue, you'd mentioned Richard Smith.

102:54You'd mentioned my guy Caleb Johnson, who is, like, weirdly negatively correlated in some ways with Marshawn Lloyd, but in some ways

103:01very positively correlated because they both obviously get way better if you assume a bearish outcome for Josh Jacobs.

103:06And then similar picks to Claiborne. I threw Nick Singleton into the queue.

103:10I've thrown Catron, Fatman, Allen into the queue. So McGowan goes 16-09.

103:14Caleb goes 17-09. But obviously to go... I think McGowan is a clear pick first to me.

103:19Oh, yeah. No, sure. I was saying, is that the turn?

103:23Because we have Walker, Lloyd, Brooks, Mitchell, and Davis.

103:25So Sean takes Pat Bryant there. The other guy here is Trey Harris.

103:29We have six receivers. Lamb Waddle. I'm just adding him into the queue as he said that.

103:34Yeah. Nice. Lamb Waddle, Adunze, Downs, Lemon. Worthy. We don't necessarily need a wide receiver seven here, but I don't mind that.

103:41But are we worried about McGowan going at the turn?

103:44Not super, but like anyone can kind of go.

103:47The other name I'd throw out too that's similar to Trey Harris would be Pat Friermuth as a third tight end, who I like as a value here.

103:55Me too. And then we might just want to take Daniel Jones.

103:59So what do you think positionally? I'm going to throw this to you.

104:03We only have 20 seconds. What do you think positionally?

104:06Okay, I think one running back, and then I would personally be quarterback or pass catcher with the other pick.

104:12Okay, let's take McGowan and then talk through the other side of that.

104:16But I could be talked into running back. What's that?

104:19You could be talked into it. Oh, I just said I could be talked into running back.

104:24Yeah. I think with Walker has never been the picture of health.

104:28Lloyd and Brooks are your two and three. Keaton Mitchell's your four.

104:31I mean, Ray Davis and Seth McGowan as handcuffs for first round running backs.

104:35I mean, if they were to work into actual roles because of injury or whatever, it may be very needed.

104:41It may be pretty necessary. So I thought running back was the position that felt most important to address first.

104:48Is Daniel Jones going to go ahead of? So he goes in the late 18th.

104:52So yeah, normally he wouldn't. This room has me a little spooked just because you have the three quarterback drafter at 11.

104:59That's essentially just taking a quarterback off the board that would not normally go.

105:03You have a Lamar Jackson drafter who frequently normally Lamar team sometimes doesn't even take a backup.

105:08He took Jaden Daniels. You have a bunch of other teams.

105:11In recent drafts, Daniel Jones has been going 1809.

105:14We would pick again at 1710 at the next turn.

105:17We'd still be taking him a full round before ADP.

105:20Yeah. If somebody takes him more than a round before ADP, I'm kind of inclined to be like, fine, we'll just roll with Kyler.

105:27Are you not inclined to do that? I'm trying to think through that right now.

105:32I guess my point would be that I would not be that surprised if he went more than a round ahead of

105:39ADP in this specific draft because of some of the weird quarterback dynamics.

105:43But I don't know if that's necessarily that bad.

105:45Like we have a... Okay, so the only drafters that only have one quarterback are a Drake May drafter and a Josh Allen drafter.

105:53Would not be a surprise if the Josh Allen drafter doesn't invest in quarterback two at all.

105:58The May drafter, we'll see. We do have Baker as cover.

106:01He usually goes ahead of Daniel Jones. So I think my conclusion would be pushing it makes sense as long as there's

106:08something that's worth it to push for. And what do we think that would be?

106:12Harris is now gone. Yeah, as long as there's something that's worth...

106:16Is the right point. It's what I was just thinking through.

106:19Harris was what was worth it. And arguably should have been the pick before McGowan because I think McGowan would have came around.

106:26And Harris would have been a really nice wide receiver seven on this build.

106:30And this guy has Herbert. And I did see that.

106:33But I... I didn't... I was like, whatever. If Harris goes, we have other picks that we want to make.

106:39Is Fryer Muth worth it to you? Or not?

106:42I mean, Fryer Muth is good enough to take.

106:45But I don't... I mean, I would be down to take Jones over him.

106:49It's one of those two. That's where I was going with it.

106:53I also think it's one of those two. And I have like a very minimal preference.

106:58All right. We're going to do Fryer Muth. We're going to let 80...

107:02Oh, I just clicked. Sorry. We're going to let 80 break the tie.

107:05I was just going to say, I think I'd prefer Fryer Muth.

107:09So... Yeah. He goes a few picks after this.

107:12This is right around where he goes. Again, Daniel Jones goes more than a full round after our next pick.

107:18Baker Mayfield still on the board. Stroud, Darnold, a lot of those guys that can go ahead of Daniel Jones too.

107:24There's no lock that Daniel Jones will go ahead of them.

107:28Baker has fallen behind ADP. So I agree with you on the room, but at the same time, the drafters haven't necessarily acted that way yet.

107:35There's a possibility that Darnold, that those guys would go.

107:38And then, you know, as far as if people do consider Daniel Jones for stacking reasons, the fact that we have two of his players also limits...

107:47The only team that... The team that you would think would consider him for stacking reasons is the Pierce team, but he's already got two quarterbacks.

107:54So I don't feel super worried about the Pierce team taking him.

107:58Seagulls are on the clock down. I wonder if you want to Fryer Muth there.

108:03He's a known Fryer Muth fan. He takes Baker.

108:05He takes Baker. That makes sense. He needed a QB2.

108:08So the only quarterback... The only one quarterback teams now left are the May drafter and the Allen drafter.

108:14Neither of whom have Colts, but neither of them have Seahawks or really anyone else with a notable quarterback in the mix either.

108:21So who knows? We'll see. I'll tell you what I'm going to do is after this, I'm going to call Sean and

108:28get the debrief on his whole side of this.

108:30Kind of fascinating. It doesn't make for great radio that I'm so concerned about another drafter in the room.

108:36This would have been a better one for behind the paywall, but c'est la vie.

108:41Why don't we recap the whole team? Um, yeah.

108:43So we started off way back, uh, with Ken Walker and CeeDee Lamb.

108:47Then Tyler Warren is our tight end one. So a bit of a rainbow start running back wide receiver tight end.

108:54Um, I get my guy Jalen Waddle at the 403.

108:57Uh, and then we had an interesting kind of positional debate, I think at the 510 where Roma Dunse was the clear

109:03last receiver for each of us at the receiver tier.

109:06Um, but we were also contemplating Bucky or Tootin.

109:09We hoped maybe one of them would push around.

109:12They did not. That led to, um, an interesting discussion at the 603 where we aggressively took Marshawn Lloyd.

109:18Um, now is set to play a pretty important early season role, at least on this team.

109:23We come back with Jonathan Brooks, another big upside swing at the running back position at the 710.

109:28And then we started pissing. We go Josh Downs at eight, Makai Lemon at nine.

109:33And then we had a, uh, uh, a bit of a mid draft crisis on the clock at the 10th round where

109:39we debated between a bunch of different running backs.

109:42We couldn't agree. Uh, and then we went with the consensus wide receiver six, Xavier Waddle.

109:47Worthy. He's our last receiver might be our only might be our last receiver.

109:51And then, uh, Keaton, one of the running backs we discussed at that 10th round comes all the way back.

109:57So we grabbed him at 11. Uh, we took Dalton Schultz to 10 and two in 12.

110:02And then Kyler as our QB one followed by Ray Davis, Seth McGowan.

110:06And we just took Pat Fryer. How are you feeling so far?

110:10I know it's been a bit of a weird draft, but how do you feel about the team overall?

110:16I don't, I like the team. Uh, the, the Lloyd pick was tough.

110:20I think the biggest criticism that could be levied was taking Lloyd so far ahead of ADP.

110:25Uh, mostly because we had already taken Henderson together.

110:28I think, I mean, arguably we should have just taken Ramondre Stevenson as a play off of that, or, or should have

110:34just taken Jalen Warren, um, as just a little bit more of a stable RB2.

110:39I don't mind that type of a pick in the sixth round, especially with Jonathan Brooks as, you know, a little bit

110:45of a tricky pick in the seventh. Knowing that after the fact, I think, you know, Ramondre with Jonathan Brooks as a,

110:52a pairing for RB2 would have been pretty interesting.

110:55Uh, I really liked the receivers. Lamb, Waddle, Adunze, Downs, Lemon, and Worthy is a really interesting receiver room.

111:01It's not as deep as it could have been.

111:03Like maybe if we grab Trey Harris or whatever.

111:06And then, I mean, with the running backs, like getting both Ray Davis and Seth McGowan, like we do still have running back ceiling.

111:13I will say this has not come together as well as really any other draft I've done this year, which is not

111:20like, you know, it is what it is, but I would just bluntly say that.

111:24I don't love the way that it's come together, uh, in terms of we're picking at the end.

111:30We're picking right behind somebody that we pick a lot.

111:33Like, and like in a lot of cases has taken players, uh, in front of us that we would have been interested in.

111:40Um, and yeah, it's just been tricky for us to kind of get through the guys that we actually want and make the decisions we want to make.

111:48I'm not like trying to make excuses or whatever, but it's, it is what it is.

111:53We have Warren Schultz and Fryermuth at tight end.

111:56Kyler is our only QB. There's like, uh, a lack of coherence with some of the build for me that I, I usually don't have.

112:03I don't, I usually don't like have that as a, as an issue.

112:07It's been harder for me to stay as engaged with the draft.

112:11I wasn't staying as engaged with ADP or even with my own rankings for a bit there.

112:16Um, which is whatever, like, I'm not, you know, I'm not like trying to sound like I'm having a meltdown over it.

112:23I'm really not. I'm just saying, like, I think you could criticize the build some, and I would take that criticism fairly

112:29because, um, I don't necessarily love every decision that we made, but I, I think it's a good team still.

112:36Does that make sense? It's kind of weird how I'm talking.

112:39No, it totally makes sense. Um, but I'm trying to figure out or sorry, maybe I'll make, maybe I'll, I'll make the

112:45first point I was going to make first, which is, so if anyone who's listening to this prop, um, is part of

112:52the long view Patreon and you listened to our first main event that we drafted together, the two of us, I thought

112:59that was, uh, I mean, we both said this where we thought that we executed a plan effectively, and we also benefited

113:05from good luck in the second half of the draft.

113:08Um, where everything went exactly the way we wanted it to.

113:12It was, it was the cleanest draft I've had all year.

113:15The other one, just to be clear. Right. Yeah.

113:18So that was, that was one where like we, the big theme of that draft is we pushed tight end really far.

113:25We threw 10 rounds. We had four running backs and six receivers, which is a, a build that is, is interesting.

113:31And then what happened over the latter half of the draft was basically every time that we wanted someone to fall to us to make our build work.

113:39They just did. And we had a lot of like very easy picks that where we both agreed and the guy was there and it fit our build.

113:48And like, what happened kind of worked perfectly. What happened several times is we had two guys.

113:53We decided between picked one and then the other one came back repeatedly.

113:57And it was like, okay, great. Like we just decided between McGowan and Harris, Harris would have came back on our other draft every time.

114:04And it was like, all right, this is cool.

114:07We'll just take them both. And this has been, this is, I guess the one time where that did happen to us

114:14was Keaton, where we almost took him in 10 and then he came back to us in 11.

114:19But outside of that, it's been like, like it's almost been comical to the degree that, which that hasn't happened.

114:25Like we talked about Terrence Ferguson instead of Makai Lemon.

114:28And then we only had to dodge four picks between our next pick and Terrence Ferguson goes.

114:33We talked about, oh, maybe we'll get one of Tootin or Bucky back.

114:37And they didn't. We talked about, maybe we'll get like Tank Bigsby back.

114:41And he goes immediately after, like it's been, it's been a reversal of fortune.

114:46And so that obviously makes it feel less clean.

114:48I, I'm trying to figure out like Herbert. After we took Keaton, he went at the turn.

114:53Yep. Some of those guys were bound to go.

114:56Probably the Bucky and Tootin ones, I think were, were, you know, I mentioned it's just kind of a last of a tier.

115:03We had three guys, like they weren't all going to come back.

115:07Herbert's another one that was falling a little, but yeah, it has been that way.

115:11That's, I think that's really well put, especially relative to our last draft.

115:15The Waddle pick after we took Warren to have, you know, Zay and Wilson.

115:19I mean, I know you're really happy that we landed on Waddle and I am too, that I have a Waddle team with you.

115:27But that was just another one. The guys behind us have been certainly drafting some similar players to ones we like.

115:33Drafting right out of our queue all day. Yep.

115:36We have, and then the guy in front of us, I don't know how he knows the players that we like, but

115:42we have, we have, we are on deck. Uh, I'm guessing Sean's not going to take Daniel Jones.

115:48One of the guys behind us has three QBs.

115:51The other one has Herbert and Shuck. None, neither of them have any Colts as I was looking through.

115:56I think we could push him around the turn.

115:59Do we need to, or like. If we were going to push him for anything to me, it'd be defense or kicker.

116:06Actually. Oh, Sean, Sean just sniped me. I took your kicker.

116:09That's exactly who I was going to suggest. So do you, how much do you care about any of these running backs?

116:16My ideal turn in a vacuum would be Jones and the Philadelphia Eagles defense, but I'm very open to being sold by

116:22you on a running back or a receiver. If there's one, well, I think DeMond Claiborne is a really interesting pick for this build.

116:30Sure. Let's add another guy. And I actually think Brashard Smith is even more interesting.

116:34If he hits on a Walker, Jack McKinnon role, like if we have some fragility, he could be our RB too.

116:41Cause we have like handcuffs. Like he could do the, he could do the Dylan Samson thing.

116:46Who do you like more to Smith or Claiborne?

116:48And do you want to click them first and push Jones or take Jones first and then decide on a running back?

116:55I want to take Smith. Okay. Let's take Smith.

116:58Would you be devastated if Jones went? We'll find out.

117:01We still had eight seconds. I was, I didn't, yeah, I wasn't trying to completely finalize that, but I actually, I talked

117:07myself into the thesis for Smith being pretty optimistic and I, I would be shocked if Jones goes.

117:13No QBs went in the last two turns. If this guy goes to the third QB, it could even be like a Darnold.

117:20Like there's no one has gone since Mayfield. I wouldn't be devastated.

117:23I wouldn't be devastated if Jones went, I mean, quarterbacks get caught in this once you start getting into injuries and stuff.

117:30And if we have to start out with Kyler, it's like, it is what it is.

117:35Um, and you, you'd mentioned Claiborne who you're interested in.

117:38I'd be hoping open to him. If Jones goes, um, I'd be open to the defense of Jones goes.

117:44So I'm not that I would like Jones if he's there, I think, but I'm not going to be devastated.

117:50One of the tricky things about the Rashard Smith pick is I forgot that we have Kenneth Walker on this team.

117:56So just, I did float that. I did float that.

117:59Uh, but then you still seem to do it.

118:02So sorry. I was pretty into this idea that he could have standalone role, but if he has a standalone role, then

118:09it's really dramatically hurting our, our, our number one.

118:11Although he is path to a standalone role. Definitely rockets up if Walker got hurt.

118:16So there's a little bit of a handcuff. To are arguably, this is the type of team we're handcuffing.

118:22I mean, it's a little bit of an awkward handcuff.

118:25Cause like we don't have Emmett Johnson is probably the much better handcuff, but it's arguably a handcuff friendly team because we are so thin a running back.

118:33If Walker's not doing it for us that, that like at least having someone who could potentially keep us afloat might be helpful.

118:40Agreed. And the way that Smith scores, he, I think there's scenarios where you could play Walker and Smith.

118:46Cause what like Smith was doing the 30% targets per out thing when he only ran like a hundred routes last year.

118:52If he's actually in a role like that, like there was, there was like startable fantasy viability for Jarek McKinnon.

118:58And also, um, and we're clicking Daniel Jones here, right?

119:02Your D actually went, which I don't. My D goes.

119:05So it's really Jones or it's Claiborne, but I think we should take Jones.

119:09Yeah. Let's take Jones. All we have is Kyler.

119:11I think we are very invested in, in the Colts path now with, with Downs and Warren and McGowan.

119:17And I think Jones makes a ton of sense.

119:20It does. It does mean that, yeah, we're kind of doing the last D and kicker thing.

119:25Cause it'll be the 1920 turn. And that's not ideal.

119:28I actually like. I didn't even realize that was, so we're not, we're, yeah, we can't click Claiborne.

119:34So it was, it was going to be, yeah, we were never getting, we were never getting a QB two in both of the running backs.

119:41I didn't actually even realize that, but yeah. And the trick, I liked your idea of going, of going kicker or D first.

119:48I almost always do that. In this case, Jones could go, he could, you know, fairly easily go still Smith was the,

119:55the, the, um, luxury pick that we took there.

119:58I, I, I still like it even with the Walker thing.

120:01I still really like it because of what I was, yeah, I was just trying to say it was like in an

120:08offense is good that we're, people aren't even drafting the wide receivers and stuff.

120:12There's the possibility of like there being a passing down, uh, running back that has real value.

120:17And that still, I mean, not that it wouldn't affect Kenneth Walker ceiling, but it's still not really making it a huge deal for Kenneth Walker.

120:25I'm trying to find the year where I know Jerick McKinnon had the nine TD receptions.

120:30I think Pacheco was the number one. That was 20, this is the year two or 2023.

120:35So Pacheco only had 960 yards. He was a rookie that year.

120:39Uh, only had five touchdowns as well. McKinnon kind of crushed his value or no, sorry.

120:43He was in his, yeah, no, he was a rookie.

120:46Um, and that, that wouldn't be the ideal. You'd want, but that's maybe what happens if Walker's out is one of the

120:53things where like Emmett Johnson's playing the Pacheco. But anyway, I was just thinking that they could be playable alongside each other.

121:00Do you think that's even feasible or is that crazy?

121:03Um, I think it's not likely, but it's definitely plausible.

121:06Um, I mean, I've expressed a lot of doubt about the receiver room.

121:10Um, and I mean, you've been, you've been imploring me to articulate like paths in which the targets go places that aren't Rashi Rice.

121:17You know, maybe, maybe one of those paths is they like, they do a little bit of what we're hoping the chargers do, right?

121:24Like maybe Walker and one of Johnson or Smith, um, can do a facsimile of what we're expecting Hampton and Mitchell to do.

121:31Um, that's, that's maybe like a slight possibility. I don't think it's that likely, but I mean, you know, where you don't

121:38find things that are likely to pay off is round 17.

121:41So, um, I think it's, it's a perfectly plausible pick there for sure.

121:45And he does have the type of profile, like you've mentioned where he could have fantasy value on a very limited snap diet.

121:52My, my thesis has largely been that I don't think he's going to play.

121:56And I think that Walker is just going to do all the stuff they did with Smith last year, which I think

122:03we'd be fine with because we invested the one 10 and Kenneth Walker.

122:07But if that's wrong, then that's definitely, there's definitely a path for Smith.

122:11I'm like, that's great. If that's the case, that's awesome.

122:14We just cut Brashard Smith. I mean, he's our first cut.

122:17That's our preference. Yeah. Our preference is Kenneth Walker is scoring 21 points per game and we cut our round 17 pick,

122:24which is what you do to your round 17 pick like 80% of the time at some point anyway.

122:30So that's fine. I'm, I'm curious. Um, I'll ask you first, then I'll take a stab at it.

122:35So like, we both agree that it's a, a, a quality team, but a team that has been a little bit on

122:42easy now with the complete benefit of hindsight. If there's a pick you would change, what would the pick be?

122:48Ty's a Spears over Dalton Schultz is a very clear one in the, in the 12th round.

122:53Yeah. I don't hate Dalton Schultz, but especially after we got Pat Fryermuth in the 16th, I think we could have been fine with just Warren and Fryermuth.

123:01I don't even think we need a third tight end.

123:04We're kind of almost roster clogging to a degree with the three tight ends.

123:09We may find out, we may, we may find ourselves cutting Fryermuth.

123:12Uh, I mean, I think Schultz is going to be very like playable and flexible, but we also have, um, wow.

123:19I never realized flexible is, you know, he flex worthy, flexible with an a with an a, um, we have the six earlier wide receivers.

123:26I mean, I think, you know, Xavier worthy is going to be flexible.

123:30He's going to be flex worthy. Cause he's Xavier worthy.

123:33Um, Josh down, Rome, a dunze, a Jalen Waddle, CD lamb.

123:37Like we can easily play four receivers from that group.

123:40And so the idea that we would even need to like really flex Schultz is a little bit dubious.

123:45I mean, it's great to have other flex options.

123:48Anything can happen obviously. Um, but I am concerned about the running back room with, uh, Walker Lloyd Brooks, Mitchell, especially if

123:55Brooks and Mitchell are like not great early in the year.

123:58And maybe like, we, we don't get the role that we think with Lloyd, maybe Chris Brooks plays a lot, like 50%

124:05of the snaps, you know, and he's playing on all the pass downs.

124:09Maybe Josh Jacobs gets reinstated. I mean, who knows what's going to happen.

124:13Right. So, and then all we have behind that is Ray Davis and Seth McGowan.

124:17I mean, that's part of why I'm still actually pretty excited about the Brashard Smith pick is like, at least we can

124:24reinforce the Walker pick to a certain degree. Um, I know it doesn't, it's not a clean handcuff as you said, but

124:30I, I think running back is the position where I, you know, I think our roster needs to spend the most resources.

124:37And so flipping one would be flipping one toward a running back pick.

124:41And I think the Schultz for Ty J Spears one is fairly straightforward.

124:45I think that's the, that's like the obvious one.

124:48I'll, I'll like, I'll throw out one that I'm not even sure I believe, but is higher up the board because I

124:54do think Ty J Spears helps us at the margins.

124:57I don't think he fundamentally changes the team because he's Ty J Spears.

125:01Um, sure. I, I think in hindsight, we should have not taken Tyler Warren.

125:05Um, I think five, six turn is like foreseeably rough.

125:08And I think I would like this team better.

125:11If we go wide receiver, wide receiver at the three, four, we take our tight end instead of Lloyd.

125:17And then we hammer running back more aggressively in rounds eight through 11.

125:21I like that. And you were trying to talk about that early and I didn't really listen to it.

125:27I like that a lot. It's a good, I mean, so you're basically saying like Garrett Wilson and Laporta would, or Rashid

125:33Rice and Laporta as a two V two for Warren and Lloyd.

125:37And I think that's, and then we probably hit like at the events, at least two of those downs were the lemon

125:44picks, like one or two of those become running backs probably in that scenario.

125:48Um, we are up. Uh, I like the Tampa defense.

125:51Um, Ruben Bain, they get the Bengals week one, and then they get the Browns week two.

125:56So I really liked the Ravens D have we talked about that?

126:00Do we want to start them against two Colts pass catchers?

126:03We could, I guess that's not actually that empty correlated.

126:06That's fine. Cause then you're playing amazing matchups in five of the six after that.

126:10What did you say? Let's do that. I actually think it's positive.

126:14I think it's fine to play them against Warren and downs because you're hoping the Ravens get up right.

126:20And then the Colts have to pass. Yeah. I mean, pass volume does work.

126:24I don't know that we're even starting downs necessarily week one.

126:27Are we? I think we probably are. Are we starting Brooks week one?

126:31That seems sketchy. Yeah, it probably is positively correlated though.

126:34After you say that, um, I, I really liked the Ravens because we don't have to sit there and get into the, the weekly battles.

126:42Week two is a good matchup at home against the saints week four, five, and six are all like really nice ones.

126:49The Titans are in there. The Browns are in there.

126:52Um, the week three, one is at Dallas, which you're going to get past volume.

126:56And the Ravens might just have a really good defense is they have Trey Hendrickson.

127:01They have a bunch of dudes now and Jesse Minter's taking over.

127:04Yeah. I'm pretty into them. I don't care what we do at kicker.

127:08If you have a, um, probably I probably go McLaughlin.

127:11My usual kicker is Reichard. He just went and I don't like to take the kicker on the same team as our quarterback.

127:18So let's do McLaughlin. If that's all right with you.

127:21It is to see hit long fuels. He does, right?

127:24Yeah, he does. He's a pretty good kicker. And Todd Bowles is super conservative on fourth down stuff.

127:30Okay. Cool. So Baltimore McLaughlin finished the team. Kyler and Daniel Jones are the QBs.

127:34Ken Walker, Marshawn Lloyd, Jonathan Brooks, Keaton Mitchell, Ray Davis, Seth McGowan, Brashard Smith are the running backs.

127:40Lamb, Waddle, Adunze, Downs, Lemon, Worthy, the receivers. Warren, Schultz, Fryermuth, the tight ends.

127:44I do think Lloyd is, as actually, now that you asked, like I answered the question about Schultz and Spears.

127:50Which Lloyd's, like the, I mean, I don't want to say like the layup, obviously.

127:55I mean, I think you're right. Like that's the pick that we struggled with the most.

127:59That's the pick that immediately after taking it, it was like, man, we took a guy really high.

128:05I don't even know that I like, I was the one that was kind of driving the train to take the Lloyd pick.

128:12And I don't even know that I like support even valuing him that high necessarily.

128:16I mean, I've moved him up in my ranks and that was part of the thought there, but I didn't even have

128:23him ahead of Henderson in my ranks, but we took Henderson together.

128:27So the, I mean, the very strong answer, especially because we got Brooks to come all the way back to 710, which

128:33is like kind of a similar play. The very strong answer is if we could change 603 to like anything else, even

128:40if it was our second tight end as Laporta, then we could have taken TyJ Spears where we took Schultz a lot more comfortably.

128:47I think then we would have Warren Laporta and Spears.

128:50I mean, I would rather take Laporta Spears than Lloyd Schultz.

128:54I mean, there's, there's a lot of two V twos that the Lloyd thing can work off of.

128:59The other one I was going to say was a Dunze actually.

129:03Yeah. And that tier was, that was cute. We could have went Bucky.

129:07We should have just got Bucky. And then if a Dunze goes, we, we just, even if we didn't take Laporta as

129:13a second tight end, cause I was kind of anti that.

129:17And I wish I wouldn't have been, I was kind of.

129:20I was being dumb there. I, I don't love taking those court, those tight ends, but I don't, I'm not out on Laporta.

129:27I think that Lions offense is going to be really fun, really concentrated.

129:31I would have loved to get a share of Laporta.

129:34I don't really know why I was, I was just a little bit thrown there.

129:38Regardless, if we went Bucky first, that was the V that's the right one.

129:43Not the Warren pick. We should have just gone Bucky.

129:46And if Rome didn't come back, we just treat one of the tight ends like a receiver.

129:51We just treat one of the tight ends like a receiver.

129:54If we take Laporta or what I was going to say is even if I was like annoying about Laporta for whatever

130:01reason, if we got stuck taking a receiver, I would be more happy having pulled up the other receivers at the end

130:07of that round where Godwin and Harrison, and then Stribling went early seventh.

130:11He's kind of tricky, but I think I would have been more happy having pulled up Godwin or Harrison at 603 than Lloyd at 603 in hindsight, obviously.

130:20But yeah, do you think we also, I mean, I don't know how much you value, like we already took him in

130:26the main event, but would Hendo as an RB three with Bucky instead of Hendo as an RB to be more comfortable?

130:33Yeah, I guess I didn't realize he wanted Hendo that bad.

130:36I would have been fine with Hendo as an RB two over Lloyd.

130:40I just felt like, cause we already took him at a much better price and we're only really doing a couple of

130:47teams together that it didn't make sense to, cause the vibes on Hendo were so off.

130:52But I, I, I wish, yeah, I wish I had a...

130:55I don't hate the Lloyd pick. Like I, I know it was uncomfortable and I think it was like, I guess the

131:02way that I would view the Lloyd pick is that I think that it was a completely defensible and arguably even optimal

131:08pick based on like kind of unfortunate circumstances that led to that pick.

131:12Like, and, and so that's why I wasn't saying like we should have changed the Lloyd pick necessarily.

131:18It's more like without Warren, we probably go tight end over Lloyd or like if we take Bucky, we probably look at other positions over Lloyd.

131:26Like I think once we had made the Warren and a Doonesay picks, I think the Lloyd pick does make sense.

131:32And I also don't want to like doom and gloom over the Lloyd pick.

131:36Like it's, it's quite possible. He's just awesome. I agree with all that.

131:40I think that's a great call. Uh, like, yeah, I mean, that's the point of the Lloyd pick is like Marshall Lloyd had a really good prospect profile.

131:49That's a run-based offense. They've been talking him up for years.

131:52I know he always gets hurt, but at camp last year, he was getting talked up a ton.

131:57The reason we've talked about him in fantasy so much over the last few years is a, the profile has been really

132:04strong and B it's a long view profile for sure.

132:07And then B the Packers have been really enamored with him multiple years in a row.

132:12And now they have a Josh Jacobs issue. If Lloyd just takes off and is really, really good, why would they not roll with that?

132:20And Chris Brooks is a very, as you've talked about the reason that you're really optimistic about Caleb Johnson.

132:25We agree on Chris Brooks. I was doing some long look.

132:29He's a guy too. He's just a guy. He's going to play on pass downs, but they're going to throw to Lloyd.

132:35They did Lloyd in a little angle route over the middle and he caught a TD in the preseason.

132:41Like it's not like it's going to be just Chris Brooks who gets all the receiving work.

132:46They're going to do some route stuff with Lloyd on early downs too.

132:50He's going to catch a few passes. I mean, he, he's not going to get the full Josh Jacobs role because of

132:57the injury history, because of that stuff. But as the season progresses, if he stays healthy and looks good and is able

133:03to handle like a lot of work, I mean, the question is just, can he stay healthy?

133:09Can he do all that stuff? But like, yeah, guys aren't healthy until they are.

133:13I mean, it is, it is possible. And if he is again, we're talking about a really good offense run-based team.

133:19We got him at the 603 and he could play like a round two guy.

133:24That's the point of that type of pick right in the, in the dead zone or whatever is like, can the guy

133:31produce like a round two running back? And I think Marshawn Lloyd very well could adjust.

133:35Jacobs career for all we know could just be over at this point.

133:39That's what happened to like the Ray Rice stuff, right?

133:42Like it's, and part of it is like, where are you at in your career?

133:47Cause we all know that like there's rules exceptions for better players, but Josh Jacobs has played for a really long time.

133:54He's an older back. He's taken a lot of work and he may get kind of blackballed because of that.

134:00And it's just kind of the way that these things happen, unfortunately, but realistically.

134:04Um, and anyway, I, I think the, the, the upside part that you were just driving home about Lloyd is, is very valid.

134:11And I like that because I am kind of like feeling sour about it, but it's not a, it's not a pick to feel sour about.

134:19The reason I haven't ranked so high and all that is, is, you know, having more time to think about it than

134:25just the amount of time we had on the clock.

134:28Feel really good about the, the, the bet, even if it is aggressive to rank him there, the Henderson thing.

134:34When we had talked and you've expressed before, you wanted to get him at better prices because you hadn't been able to bet on the market.

134:42And I think you've made this point very well on the show.

134:46The market has not reflected the like social media FUD on him.

134:50And what you've seen over the last couple of weeks, as we've talked about Stevenson, start to flip in some of your mains and those things.

134:57And so for me, it was like, even though Lloyd wound up being an even bigger reach, it was like, I was

135:04thinking kind of in my head that you weren't really pushing for Henderson at a 603 price.

135:09We got him later. We got him after Stevenson and our other one, the Lloyd decision was sort of like, we don't

135:16have to decide whether to take Stevenson over Henderson or take Henderson over Stevenson.

135:20Or how to, for me, the other one was Warren really kind of on the clock was like, do we just take Warren?

135:27But I've gotten Warren in a bunch of means too.

135:30So it's, there was a little bit of an exposure thing for me.

135:34Um, and I mean, that's a little bit of a reach for Warren too.

135:38It's 603 where he usually goes, you can get him to fall.

135:42All I've seen loin go Lloyd go really high, but I, that's, that was another part of it for me too.

135:48It was a little bit of bias to seeing somebody else take him.

135:52I was in the draft where he went 60, which is his high very recently, whatever it was the last day or two.

135:59Uh, and so that threw me off a little bit too.

136:03I was like, he's going, you know, five, six turn for some people, but I don't think that's actually the case.

136:09He's gone. He's got as late as like our next pick at seven 10.

136:13He's gone as late as like the late, uh, into the eighties in the last few days too.

136:19So there was a, you know, there's certainly a reach there on Lloyd.

136:22Um, but his, his average ADP was not as low as 80.

136:26It was about 72, which is about the 610.

136:29We took our 612. We took him at the 603.

136:32We took him about nine picks early. It's a reach, but it's not like, it's a range that we all agree sucks.

136:39Yes. That was the part of it when we were on the clock that I was saying was like, I'm comfortable reaching

136:45here because we don't want anybody at cost or faller or whatever.

136:49There is no faller. And we basically don't agree on any of the, uh, of the picks being, well, we, we agree

136:55that none of the picks are good. And so it was, you know, I think we both liked Lloyd enough to take him.

137:02So anyway, a fascinating, fascinating, I'm glad that we did not do Ramondre or Warren.

137:07Um, I think that the, there, that, that was, that was never in consideration for, for me at least.

137:13I mean, obviously if you had pounded the table for one of them, I would have heard you out for sure.

137:19Um, but to me, the pick was either we go tight end, but if we go running back, I think we take

137:26a swing and that's Lloyd or, or Henderson. Um, and the way that, the way that Brooks came back to us, I'm

137:32happy actually that we did Lloyd because I think that we took two big swings at running back.

137:38I get that's fragility. Like out of all the teams I've drafted this year, I mean, this is going to sound mean,

137:44but I don't mean it in a, in a mean to like both of us collectively.

137:49Like this would be one of the teams that it's easiest to imagine finishing 12th for sure, because we're so fragile at RB two.

137:57And we took such like speculative bets on Lloyd and Brooks and Mitchell.

138:00And we got Jalen Waddle of the fourth round.

138:03Am I right? Well, that feels pretty freaking great.

138:06Um, you know what, you know what the thing I'll say about the wall too, is I was, um, I, I, I

138:13was, I was an extremely, uh, unhelpful co-manager at the Lloyd pick.

138:16Because you gave me the Waddle pick that I was thrilled about that.

138:20I mean, we were kind of doing it. I don't know how like serious or half joking.

138:25I was like, Oh, I'll give you one. And then we took it do and say, we agreed.

138:31You're like, I'll push the six Oh three. And I was being, I know I said co-manager at six Oh three, um,

138:37where I was like, not really expressing any opinions.

138:40Um, and that was, that was probably, probably silly.

138:43Um, and then, you know, now you're kind of saying like, I don't even know really where you stood.

138:49Like, yeah, I think that the, I think that the, the, the right pick was either a tight end or a swing at running back.

138:56I don't think it was Stevenson or Warren. I don't think it was a receiver.

139:01Um, and I think with Brooks coming back, I prefer Lloyd Brooks that to Henderson Brooks, because I expect Brooks is more of a late season play.

139:09I think Lloyd is, is more of an early season play.

139:12Obviously Brooks could also be an early season play and Lloyd could also be a late season play.

139:18But I think like Henderson Brooks is a really tough combo because I think you then get into a spot where I've

139:24drafted three running backs through seven rounds. And I have no idea who I'm starting running back for the first few weeks of the season.

139:32And I think that's the kind of bet that forces really difficult decisions in later rounds, at least with Lloyd, we're playing for the fast start.

139:40We'll see if we get it. But I think that it's, I think it is actually pretty coherent.

139:45The two of them together. That I love. I love that point about the layering of the running back scoring.

139:51Um, and as we talk about this, I'm all the way back in on the Lloyd pick.

139:56The only thing I don't like about the Lloyd pick is the cost is the, is the fact that we paid it almost maximum cost.

140:04Cause in the main events, I do like to get ADP value, but to your point there, there wasn't a good ADP pick.

140:11And, and so, and I, I think Lloyd, the profile does belong there.

140:15I actually, the more that we talk about it, and especially knowing you're not really in on Stevenson or Warren.

140:21I think Lloyd was the right pick. The part of the reason I didn't want to do Henderson as well on this

140:28build was just that it's what you're getting at.

140:30It's the early season RB two point of he was RB two in round six.

140:35And you asked like, would I have liked Henderson more as RB three?

140:39And I didn't really answer that. I was just like, I didn't know you were that into Henderson, but I think the answer is yes.

140:46I would have liked Henderson more as RB three where I didn't feel like we had to start him in week two

140:53or even in week one, if he looks unhealthy.

140:56But in week two, if the week one role isn't great or whatever, we've talked about this.

141:01Neither of us really expects by like week four, Henderson is doing great.

141:05We expect all the Stevenson slappies to be victory lapping in week four.

141:09That's the bet. That's the, you, you made a great point when I said that you're like, they better be like, they,

141:15they better hope that they are like, because that's the bet they're making on Stevenson is that by week four, Stevenson looks awesome.

141:22And, and looks like he's got the work and he's getting the high percentage of, of the backfield and all the touches and all that stuff.

141:30When you're drafting Henderson, you're aware that you're going to need a little bit of a weight and a little bit of

141:37time, but it's a profile based bet. It's a hope that by the end of his second season, he breaks out.

141:43It's a little bit different position, little bit like Jackson Smith and jig Baffer, his rookie year, who had a really rocky rookie season.

141:50People made a lot of negative comments about his low eight out that rookie year.

141:55Could he even win downfield? He's so small, all of these different things.

141:59He started his second season, not doing all that much.

142:02DK Metcalf gets hurt about week seven from week seven on JSN's yards per hour run in that second season was really strong.

142:09It was like 2.3 or something. I think for his whole second season, it's like 1.8.

142:14The first six or seven games of that year, that's the year that they had Ryan Grubb.

142:19They were throwing a ton. He was running a ton of routes and he had some decent games in there, but really

142:25his second season took off on the second part of his second season when some opportunity freed up because Metcalf got hurt.

142:32And it was this profile based thing where it was like, oh, this is the profile.

142:37And a lot of people couldn't see that going into year two with JSN.

142:41It ended up being a really good second half for him.

142:45And then the point is he ends up being a superstar.

142:48He ends up being a great player in year three.

142:51That's the bet with Henderson is if he hits, he's going to hit in a way that we're taking him in the second round next year.

142:59We're taking him over multiple years as a top pick.

143:02Maybe that won't actually happen with him. It doesn't seem like the vibes are very strong with him, but that's the way

143:08that it could progress in terms of you want a ceiling outcome.

143:12You want a ceiling case. How does this work?

143:15There's uncertainty to it, but that's the way that it works.

143:18That's what it looks like. But to the point of our conversation, that's not something you can play early in the season, as you were saying.

143:26So I love that layering point that you made about him and Brooks.

143:30The other thing I was going to say about the Lloyd pick when we were on the clock, the reason I was

143:37like breaking the tie towards Lloyd as I was processing everything on the clock.

143:41And I mean, I don't think you were an unhelpful co-manager, but I had kind of said I was going to make the decision.

143:48We knew it was going to be a tough decision, whatever.

143:51You were telling me some stuff, but we were down on the clock, and I did sort of make that final decision.

143:58As I was processing what would be available to us, the strong lean for me in that spot is running back when

144:05you start one running back through five rounds. Because I don't love the wide receivers at cost.

144:10If we had taken – so I do think Bucky over a Dunesay would have been the pick in hindsight.

144:16If I could totally redo anything, I think that's the one.

144:19Because then I do think it could have opened us up to take a wide receiver there.

144:24But after taking a Dunesay, I did really feel like we need to get a running back at this turn.

144:30Because you've pointed it out, like Jonathan Brooks coming back to us at 7-10 was not a lock.

144:36And it was actually kind of a surprise. Rico Dowdle went at 7-01, and only one more running back went from between 7-01 to 7-10.

144:43It was Quorum at 7-07. There's a possibility that Jonathan Brooks could have went anywhere in the seventh.

144:49He's gone in the sixth a bunch. I've taken him in the sixth.

144:53Now, we have the soreness at practice, but for him to fall away to 7-10 was kind of nice.

144:59If he didn't – I mean, we proved at 8-03.

145:02We kind of preferred the wide receiver once we got more balanced over the next running backs.

145:07There was no running backs that went at the turn.

145:10The only receiver that we even talked about that went at the turn was Michael Wilson, but you weren't really in on him.

145:17We wound up going downs. If Brooks had gone, we maybe would have went downs anyway.

145:22We were talking about Metcalf, and he goes at 7-08 coming back to that pick, like on the way to the 7-10.

145:28So we end up taking Brooks, but the point is we went downs at 8-03, and then really the next turn, 9-10.

145:35You were okay with Rashad White. We really couldn't agree on that tier of running back.

145:40We go Makai Lemon, Xavier Worthy. It's way more comfortable to be taking wide receivers there.

145:45That's been clear with the FFPC main events all along.

145:48It's been clear, I think, in most formats that in this range, in 9-10, 11, you want to be thinking wide receiver.

145:54I wrote a piece called You Can Have Your Cake and Eat It Too that talked about this very specifically.

146:00You can still get wide receiver length into those ranges, and I think it's a clear wide receiver pick in most rooms

146:07that draft enough running backs early, where after we took Makai Lemon and Xavier Worthy, the next best or the next running

146:14backs that went were Rashad White, Mike Washington, Aaron Jones, Jonah Coleman, Emmitt Johnson, Josh Jacobs goes as a speculative pick, Woody Marks, Tyler Algier.

146:21Those guys all go at the 10-11 turnish. We end up taking Keaton Mitchell in the next round at the late 11.

146:28That's the guy I actually wanted to take over all those guys at the 10-03.

146:32And so it gets back to this thought of how are we, like I was thinking back to front when we were on the clock at 6-03.

146:41When we took a Dunes A at 5 and we were stuck at 6-03, I was thinking, I know that at 8-9-10,

146:47I'm going to prefer wide receivers almost certainly in these ranges.

146:50We already have three. If we go a different, or even pass catcher, if we go with that second tight end, I

146:57was really, that's part of why I was rejecting your tight end comments like so kind of offhand was like, I mean,

147:04part of it was that I don't typically take tight ends.

147:07That range was like, I don't even know that I really like those guys, but I have wanted to get a share of Laporta.

147:14So I'm a little, that's why I was a little annoyed about that.

147:18But more it was like, I was pretty focused on, I want to get a running back here.

147:24I don't think Warren Dowdle are going to come back.

147:27As we were waiting for it to come back, I was saying that was a whole tier for me that had been wiped out except Jonathan Brooks.

147:35And he does end up coming all the way back.

147:38But had he not, I'm glad he did. I'm even with Lloyd.

147:42I'm glad that we got both. But had he not.

147:45I'm super happy he did. Yeah. Had he not, we might've been in a situation where we were like a very extreme anchor running back built.

147:53If we had gone Laporta and then Lloyd and Brooks went in the long turn from six to seven, we might've been

147:59going, you know, with the Adunze pick in five, not having gone Bucky in five.

148:04We might've been going wide receiver for the next several rounds.

148:07And then that's a tough build in this format this year.

148:10So yeah, again, I think that gets back to the Bucky.

148:14It's like the best, the best running backs available in that spot.

148:17If Brooks did not make it, it's like Harvey, Pollard, Mason, Chuba, Gainwell, JCM, Dobbins.

148:22That's all of the running backs that went between where we took Downs at 803 and where we get Lemon.

148:28There were no running backs that went between our picking Brooks and Downs.

148:32So those are the running backs we would have had to decide on at seven, eight, if we were taking a running back.

148:39That is tough. Like that's like Harvey is a, I think probably the one that I dislike least.

148:44And I like JCM, but you do not. I think, and then maybe we take like Gainwell, like that's Mason Hubbard, not ton upside.

148:52Pollard's not a ton upside. Dobbins, not a ton upside.

148:55Tough range. So that group I have ranked Harvey, that next tier, after I said that whole other tier was wiped out, Brooks.

149:01My next tier starts with Harvey, Gainwell, Mason, and then JCM.

149:05So I wouldn't say I'm like out on JCM.

149:08He went after all three of those guys, but Pollard and Hubbard were the other two in that range.

149:13I have those guys as kind of like fade profiles.

149:16I would have been fine pulling up JCM. I have him as a target too, just behind those other dudes that often go ahead of them.

149:24Um, but I have Gainwell as a target and Mason.

149:27I might've floated Gainwell if we needed it. Gainwell would have been fine.

149:31Yeah. That's probably, that would have probably been, well, Harvey would have made, but yeah, we might've had, well, I mean, maybe both picks, right?

149:39Like if we, so if we, if, if our team through six is Walker, Lamb, Warren, Waddle, Adunze, Laporta, we, we probably go Harvey and Gainwell, I think.

149:47Yeah. Harvey Gainwell could have made sense there. That's probably what we could have done or Harvey, Joe Corey, Krosky, Merritt or something like that.

149:55And that probably still works. But I, I mean, I, I, I prefer the downs pick.

150:00And I mean, obviously Brooks came back. We were, we were thinking Metcalf.

150:04Like if we could have had the option of Metcalf, because if Brooks goes, maybe Metcalf's the one who falls.

150:10So then we're at seven, 10 and we're like, we're going to take RJ Harvey over Metcalf.

150:15Like I want to take Metcalf in that spot.

150:17Yeah. It would have been tough to take both the running backs there.

150:21And then certainly at nine, 10, you're like, I mean, that's a tough running back range, man.

150:26Like we, we take two receivers at that turn that we really like in lemon and worthy.

150:32And yeah. I mean, anyone who's listened to this hurt us in like mid disagreement, like an hour ago at that spot.

150:38I mean, it's like, yeah, I mean the, because the running backs that were on option, I mean, you floated Mitchell who we ended up getting anyway.

150:46Um, and like white, I mean, I like more than you, but I totally get why you don't.

150:52And I certainly don't have them ranked ahead of Xavier worthy in a vacuum, like, or anywhere particularly close.

150:58Um, and then it's like, yeah, Coleman is like, I think a fun upside swing certainly doesn't help you early season.

151:04I don't think at all. Aaron Jones is like tough.

151:07Um, see rods tough. Yeah. Tough range. I, I, and, and so it gets back to the dunes avers Bucky thing.

151:13Yeah. I mean, this is going to sound, sound like more excuse making.

151:17It is what it is. But, um, a dunes a is one of the players, Sean and I, we, we had a

151:24little bit of like a, we don't do this a lot, but we had a little bit of an email back and forth kind of rehashing.

151:32We had done two mains together on Tuesday night.

151:35It is Thursday now. And so yesterday on Wednesday, we, we did them at the same time.

151:40And it was kind of tough. We didn't record it.

151:43Cause we were doing two mains at the same time.

151:46And it was kind of tough to keep track of.

151:49And there were a couple of tricky spots. And so then we, we kind of debriefed a little bit yesterday.

151:55Cause we have a lot, we're going to do a lot more drafting together.

151:59And a dunes a was one of the guys that we passed in one of the spots.

152:04And then I kind of made a case for, and he gave me a positive kind of commentary back.

152:10That's why when he was on the clock there in the fifth, I was like, he might take a dunes a cause

152:17he was like, no, I didn't, you know, I would have been happy taking a dunes a where we passed on him.

152:23Um, but so then there's, again, this gets back to that thing of like, it's like, I, what was I focused on

152:30when we got on the clock there? Like part of me, it was like, he took quench on Judkins cause he was

152:37leaving us a dunes a and like, I think I just got like stuck on that, you know?

152:42Cause I had talked to him about it yesterday.

152:45I think, and then I did bring up Bucky and Tootin, I know, and we talked through it and anyway, whatever.

152:51But Bucky pick for me too, is one where like, if you had been, if you had been like, I would really

152:58like Bucky here, I would have been in on it.

153:01Cause like the last thing I ever want to do is like, use my exposures as a reason to not get my co-managers, the players that they want.

153:09But that's one where like, I'm on main number 14 and like Bucky, I have a ton of, and I don't have Rome.

153:16And I'm like, well, like if Ben's like leaning Rome, like I'd probably rather break ties towards the guy that I don't already have a crap ton of.

153:25Um, and like, that's probably not like as helpful for the specific team, but it's kind of a similar logic to why

153:31we didn't take Trevion as we had just taken him on the other, on the other main event draft.

153:37Um, and so I probably got a little exposure brain there.

153:40I mean, had you been like, I want Bucky, I definitely would have been like, sure.

153:45I know. And I should have been pounding the table.

153:48Bucky's going early fifth Rome. We got right at a usually to me.

153:52Yeah. Bucky's been going like five Oh two. That would have been a really nice value.

153:57And even tootin who went behind him. But I mean, I, I think Bucky was the clear pick there and it was kind of a miss.

154:05It was definitely a miss. And I think in hindsight, it changes a lot.

154:09Cause I think, I think I would have been a lot more amenable to your Laporta point.

154:14If we had just taken Bucky there, I think it just challenged things.

154:18I was, when we took a dunes, one of the biggest things I was thinking was, well, there's at least two of Bucky and tootin.

154:26Maybe they both come back and then they both went and it was like, Oh, right.

154:31That was dumb. They were both going to go immediately.

154:34And I think I, we, we identified in my opinion correctly that Rome was the last wide receiver of a tier, but

154:40I think what we probably should have just been, it's like, well, he's the last wide receiver of a tier, but he's

154:47not the last pass catcher of a tier. And if, and if he goes, we'll just take a tight end and act

154:54like our tight end two is our wide receiver three.

154:57Um, anyways, I still like to like, I still like the team.

155:00Uh, I do too. If you would like to hear a very smooth sailing draft.

155:05Well, I think this is way more fun than that.

155:08Right. Like this, I think people probably. Yeah. Yeah.

155:11No. Yeah. Sorry to you're, you're doing a good sell there, but I don't even think people should go sign up for the patron and listen to us.

155:19Just be happy the whole time. I think the fact that we had a lot of challenges.

155:24Yeah, they should. The fact that we had a lot of challenges and we discussed all of this and there's a lot

155:31of, wow, should we have, or shouldn't we have and where the actual mistakes are, I think is the valuable stuff.

155:37And I think the listeners probably agree with that, but I don't, I don't think you were saying anything different, but I,

155:44um, it's been a fun one from a content perspective in that case where there's been a lot of nuance to it.

155:50Um, but no, you're right. The other, I do just want to keep emphasizing that we, if, if we sound at all,

155:57like, we don't know what we're doing. We've both done a ton of these.

156:01Uh, I don't really care about that, but people like to kind of suggest that kind of a thing.

156:07I'm very open to just being like, look, dude, there's challenges in drafts and I don't need to act like I'm super confident.

156:14Some of the like grinders love to act like everything is super clear and their ranks are the, are the correct ranks.

156:21And I mean, those guys, some of those guys are really, really good.

156:25I give them their props for sure. But I feel very strongly that this whole entire endeavor is a very uncertainty based

156:31risk based probability based endeavor and being willing to be whatever the word is vulnerable.

156:36I don't know, like open to the fact that like you can make mistakes and not be certain about how every single player should be valued.

156:44That there's a range of outcomes that there's a lot of overlap in those ranges of outcomes that there are skews in

156:50the probability ranges where some guys are skewed toward their ceiling.

156:54Some guys are skewed toward their floor. Some guys are priced more toward their ceiling.

156:58Some guys are priced more toward their floor. It's very dynamic as well as we learn more information and stuff.

157:04I think everything's pretty static now until week one.

157:07We've gotten through the information phase. Preseason's done. Everything's kind of closed, closed book from the teams at this point.

157:13But there was a lot that was changing for weeks and weeks and weeks right up to cut day and where we're at right now.

157:21And I think as the ADP shift and the tiers take hold and all that stuff, you have to be willing to consider these things.

157:28This question of a Dunzee versus Bucky versus Tootin, it's a very interesting one.

157:32If Lloyd was going here, if we knew the Jacobs thing all month and Lloyd was going here all month, I actually

157:39think the profile belongs here, as I said. So it's a little bit of like, yeah, we pulled him way up and it made it an uncomfortable pick.

157:48But maybe we would have been a lot more comfortable with Lloyd in this range like we were with Jonathan Brooks not

157:54that long ago who has now fallen a little bit because there's been some more information about him.

158:00And these things shift and they evolve. And anyway, I think this is a way more interesting – I said this was

158:06a harder draft and I don't necessarily love this draft and it's been like one of the more difficult ones.

158:12I also think talking through it with you, I've learned more as we've worked through this about what I want to do

158:19in my remaining draft than in any other draft I've done.

158:22Way more than what we did on our Patreon one where we just got all the guys we wanted and it was like, oh, this is super fun.

158:31High five, high five, high five, high five. Like this has been a blast to think through.

158:36This is why we do it. I love this stuff.

158:39I enjoy the puzzle of it. That's why we do the stuff we do.

158:43We're nerds for this kind of stuff. So anyway, I've had a blast doing this particular show with you, thinking through it,

158:50even acknowledging some of the tricky stuff with Sean and some of the snipes behind us with the 11 and 12 with the turn.

158:57Hopefully the listeners feel the same way. If they don't, fuck them.

159:01I don't really care. To be honest. If you have an issue.

159:04And I will add the E tag. If you have an issue with that type of content, this is not the right

159:11show for you is the way I would put it.

159:14Anyway. I love that. I love that as a closing note.

159:17I think that was a challenging but very fun draft.

159:20I think we built a really high upside team.

159:23And we are going to very, very likely do at least one more of these on the Patreon channel.

159:29I guess I shouldn't say very, very likely. We're literally registered.

159:32We're registered. We're registered, but it's for the Saturday morning.

159:35Right. We should tell the people. It's for the Saturday morning.

159:39I'm going to post it immediately after we record it.

159:42Okay. So it's going to be the Saturday morning, the September 12th.

159:45After the first two games are played. So ADP is going to shift.

159:49You're not going to, like week one is going to be the next day.

159:53It's not going to help you with your drafts, but you are going to get our responses to everything that happened in

160:00the Seattle Patriots game and everything that happened in the Rams 49ers Australia game, how we think that should affect ADP, how

160:07that shifted up the tiers, how there's going to be a lot of like rest of season vibe to that and how that fits in.

160:14So I think it'll be still be very interesting content.

160:17Definitely. And I'll mention that's going to be a three person.

160:21That's going to be a triumvirate draft. It's going to be myself.

160:24It's going to be Ben. And it's gonna be our friend, Lawrence Bailey.

160:28In some ways, I don't know how you feel.

160:31You draft with Sean all the time and now you're drafting with me.

160:35Like I find it almost easier to draft for three people because the push pull when you're two people is tough.

160:41Cause you obviously like can't ever have a majority vote.

160:44Like either we agree or we don't. And then it's like, you're compromising.

160:48It's like almost kind of nice to have a third person where it's like, no, I'll just state my opinion very forcefully.

160:55And like, if they would like to outvote me two to one, then they outvote me two to one.

161:01And I'm going to be happy with that. So I think it'll be, it'll be fun to get a third person.

161:07I love, I love that. I agree. Yeah, I agree.

161:10Yeah. I, it made me think of the old ship chasing days.

161:14I, it gets tough at more than three as well.

161:17And when we would do the co-manager stuff, sometimes there would be some, some tricky spots, but when it was just ever

161:23like me, Pat and Pete, it was like, yeah, usually it's two of us or one.

161:28And if, if some, and sometimes when there's three, you there's, it's still quiet enough in the room that if somebody really

161:35wants to pound the table for something and the other two are kind of like, yeah, I mean, it's kind of whatever, like that person can still go.

161:43Anything else you want to say? Otherwise I'm good to wrap here.

161:47And, uh, we will see you guys for that one.

161:50Uh, and probably another show next week.

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