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0:17What's up and welcome to the show. We're going beyond the box score today.
0:21We're recapping Seattle's thrashing of Kansas City 20-3. We're talking about the players that we were talking about last night that everybody's freaked out about.
0:28Garrett Wilson, Nico Collins, Derrick Henry, Chase Brown. What's going on with them?
0:32What's going on with Trey Tucker? The best two-game stretch of his career.
0:36A career high in targets with 12 on Sunday.
0:38Who is this year's JSN? And rookie wide receivers we have to talk about.
0:42Omar Cooper Jr. and Casey Concepcion and Carnell Tate and Denzel Boston and Jeremy Bernard and anyone I may have forgotten about.
0:49Jordan Tyson. Mekhi Lemon. Yeah, whatever. Caleb Douglas. Caleb Douglas.
0:52Mekhi Lemon plays tonight. Jordan Tyson hopefully plays in a couple of weeks.
0:55We'll see. And that's about it, I think, for the rookie wide receivers.
0:59Okay. Welcome everyone to Fantasy Football Today presented by HIMSS.
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1:09Seattle was HIM last night. They beat the Chiefs 20-3.
1:12The Chiefs have a little bit of a kicker problem.
1:15Harrison Buckner missing two field goals. The Chiefs also played this game without starting offensive tackle Jalen Moore, who's in the concussion protocol.
1:22Meanwhile, the Seahawks lost Rashid Shahid to, I believe, a knee injury.
1:25And I don't know the extent of that one.
1:28But Charles Cross, their left tackle, he's going to miss some time with a high ankle sprain we just learned.
1:34So that's a tough break for them. But, Jacob, the Chiefs fan, what was your opinion, your fantasy takeaways from last night's game?
1:40Uh, JSN is him. I mean, my gosh. Like, Monser Delane, so like, you know, LeJerry Sneed wasn't maybe doing the best job on him.
1:48That press coverage from the slot attempt looked about like mine would.
1:51But Monser Delane was actually doing a really good job on him and it just like did not matter, dude.
1:57Like, he was uncoverable yesterday. You dig into the JSN stats and they're better than last year, basically.
2:02Um, just ridiculous stuff. Can't stop the guy. Um, other than that, like the Chiefs side of things, like, it's just one of those games.
2:09It's a weird, I think this game really is a good, uh, like example of why we focus on all of the
2:15nitty gritty advanced stats and stuff like that. Because like there are games sometimes where you run into an extremely weird game script.
2:22And if it's not on an island like this, if it just happens to be with all the Sunday noon games, you're
2:28like, how the hell did this player give me three points or whatever?
2:32You know, like, are they a bus? Is this?
2:35And it's like, no, there's nothing wrong with Kenneth Walker.
2:38It's that literally no player is safe from this type of a game.
2:41Yeah. Where you run into an absolute buzzsaw of a Seattle defense and the Seattle offense gets, I don't know if you
2:48want to call it lucky, but they kept converting on all these third downs and stuff that just like kept them on the field all the time.
2:56The Chiefs barely had any plays. I'm sure you have that information.
2:5950 plays for the Chiefs, 24 minutes and nine seconds of position.
3:02Yeah. Seattle, uh, let's see on third down. They were 11 of 16.
3:06The Chiefs were three of 11. I don't think anyone's going to be worried about Kenneth Walker.
3:11You know, look, the Seahawks are great, but yeah, you know, worthy.
3:15Kelsey, you were hoping to get another good game out of him.
3:18I didn't necessarily think it would be a good game was the Seahawks.
3:22They're so good at eliminating yak. Um, but Kelsey's really disappointing.
3:25Cause he got eight targets. Two of them were on the last two plays of the game.
3:30Like the day targets doesn't even really, to me accurately describe his role in this game.
3:34Cause that seems like he was heavily targeted. And I guess technically he kind of was, but he's pretty invisible for much of this game.
3:42He had a drop. He had a ball where he wasn't even looking and it wasn't considered a drop.
3:47Like he actually could have had a pretty good game.
3:50There was a play where he was open probably for 10, 15 yards and, um, and my homes missed him.
3:56He was kind of hit as he threw. So, I mean, this could have been like a 14 point PPR fantasy game,
4:02but still, I still, Dan wouldn't have come out of it feeling that great about Travis Kelsey.
4:07You know, in the first two weeks of the year looked really good.
4:11He had like a big long play against Denver.
4:13Um, I don't know. It's been, it's been crap for the last four weeks, last four games.
4:18He's on pace for 81 targets, 727 yards, four touchdowns, just really bad.
4:22Uh, so what are you thinking about Kelsey who for the season is actually the number eight tight end per game, but
4:28I don't know if we consider him a top eight tight end.
4:32Which is amazing. Yeah. Considering we wouldn't most likely, I mean, I think the chiefs have a Tyquan Thornton problem disguised as a Rasheed Rice problem.
4:39And it's like Tyquan Thornton played such a bigger role in this offense, just being able to stretch the defense out and
4:46make these plays and adjustments down the field with a rapport that Moe's has.
4:50I think we're well past the point now, as Jacob has outlined throughout my lifetime talking football with Jacob Gibbs of thinking
4:56Xavier worthy as any chance of being having any kind of impact on the vertical plane.
5:01He can do some things underneath. I think Jacob posted a nice cut up of him from the two weeks before this,
5:07where he had some good after the catch plays, but he's really not helpful in the way that Tyquan Thornton was as
5:13far as opening up the offense and the defense.
5:16And without him on the field, it feels like this chiefs offense is in quicksand.
5:20That's what felt like the plays that were made in the passing game.
5:24We're just my homes breaking contain in the pocket and then doing things out off script on the commentators mispronounced the wire
5:30receiver to an wire receiver three's names last night.
5:33Yeah. Yeah. Who Jalen Royals and Jalen Royals. They called like Jacob or something.
5:37I don't remember what it was exactly. And Andrew Armstrong.
5:40They also called the wrong name. They called him Anthony Armstrong.
5:43They did. That guy had like a 56% route rate.
5:46That's playing a ton. Anthony Armstrong used to play for the commanders actually.
5:50So they were probably thinking about him, but yeah, they have a problem right now on offense.
5:55There's no identity in my mind on script off script.
5:57My homes can still make some plays and they're not going to face Seattle every week, but the ceiling for this offense feels, feels down for me.
6:05Um, and I have no concerns with Walker. I don't think Travis Kelsey is in every week play, but I think you
6:12can still play him in good matchups outside of those two.
6:15I can't feel confident starting any other chief. What about my homes?
6:18What about Rasheed Rice? I include my homes in that 165 passing yards or receiving yards at least 131 of those came
6:24after the catch last night and over half of them were Kelsey and Noah Gray.
6:29And we're like, Kelsey didn't have that good of a game.
6:32It's like there was nothing. Do you think Rasheed Rice when he comes back is, is going to be a, is he
6:38going to be a, you know, a good start, a top 20 receiver, maybe, maybe even top 12.
6:44Who knows? And B, is he going to make Patrick my homes usable?
6:47Because look, this was Seattle and next week they get done, which is going to be tough.
6:52But then Jets, Falcons, Cardinals bills. That's a really good stretch right there.
6:56So I don't want to, you don't want to over, you don't want to overreact, but you also want to feel, at
7:02least I feel like Rice's return will mean more for rice than it will for my homes because I have a feeling
7:09the chiefs are going to go back to the gimmicky stuff.
7:12They had to rely on last year with rice just to move the ball on script.
7:16That's at least where I'm at right now with it.
7:19Passion will homes in his first, uh, four games.
7:22He was, um, seven of 18 on deep balls, 20 or more air yards, seven of 18, 285 yards, no touchdowns, two picks last two games.
7:29No, no, uh, zero for three over three on deep ball attempts.
7:33All three were last night and four of his seven deep ball completions this year were to take one Thornton.
7:39So I'm glad we talked about that, Dan, because it is underrated what he did for this, for this offense.
7:44Uh, on the other side of the ball, you know, Sam Darnold has had some tough matchups recently.
7:50He has faced the, um, let's see, he is, I'm sorry.
7:53He has faced the commanders and he crushed them.
7:55Then the chargers, niners and chiefs. And he struggled, uh, last night, like 20 of 28, 257 and a touchdown.
8:01But they threw that interception in the end zone.
8:04He has a good game if he doesn't make that play.
8:07Um, but next up we've got Chicago, Arizona, Las Vegas, and a buy.
8:11But the next three games, like you actually, I'm not saying you have to keep Sam Darnold, but it wouldn't shock me
8:17if he's better than Caleb Williams this week. It wouldn't shock me if he's better than Jared golf.
8:22Golf has the Vikings. Caleb has the Seahawks. Darnold has a history going back to last year of being pretty damn good in good matchups.
8:29So he's got some coming up. Um, you know, I, I was hoping as a Zach Charbonnet manager that Emmanuel Wilson wouldn't be that good.
8:36And he wasn't, I feel like he wasn't really that good until that last long touchdown run.
8:41But I'm curious to see what happens next week.
8:44If Charbonnet is able to play. And I think that's pretty much it for this game.
8:49So, so there you go. Uh, okay. Beyond the box score.
8:52We've got, it's got its own podcast feed. If you enjoy this show and you want to hear more of this kind
8:58of stuff, Dan and Jacob have you covered all throughout the week.
9:02You can watch it on youtube.com and search for beyond the box score or search for the beyond the box score podcast.
9:08Anywhere you listen, incredible show. They dive into the, the nitty gritty, the usage, a lot of things that we don't get
9:14a chance to talk about on the main FFT show.
9:17You can hear on beyond the box score and guys, let's talk about him.
9:21Now it's time for he's him sponsored by him.
9:24There's the guy you are right now. And there's the guy you could be.
9:28Man, do I feel that way about some of my fantasy teams and whatever's holding you back.
9:33Hims has a real plan for it. Be confident.
9:35Be him. Jacob, who is him this week? I mean, I feel like it's just Jason, but, um, I also want to
9:42hear a New York giants opinion on the Kim Scadaboo bounce back.
9:45Cause I feel like their running back room was kind of him yesterday.
9:49And man, so it's funny you say that we didn't talk about this before the show, but that's my him of the week.
9:55And I'm really excited about it being cam Scadaboo because earlier on our beyond the box score Tuesday show last weekend, I
10:02think we touched on it last Monday too. There was a lot of concern about Scadaboo.
10:06And I came out with the opinion that I think that Scadaboo as soon as this week against the Texans will be the clear lead back.
10:14And everyone's like, I was Tracy. It's turning over to him.
10:17I said, no, and I'm happy that was right because this is exactly what the giants need in my opinion.
10:23And I just watched the tape of that game.
10:25Cam Scadaboo from an individual effort standpoint was absolutely phenomenal in the game.
10:29The contact balance, the touchdown run was a one of one type player who can make that play.
10:34Maybe him, Henry, a few others, uh, the long burst, the two long runs that he had were great vision cuts by
10:41him showed me that like lateral jump cut ability that I saw all throughout his Arizona state tape and his rookie tape
10:47felt like there was more burst yesterday. The key is they believe in him being the engine of this offense.
10:53He brings a different kind of energy to the offense.
10:56And most importantly, he fits JJ McCarthy's skillset really well.
10:59We saw multiple runs in this game. I saw at least on tape where the end man on the line of scrimmage
11:05had to pause, had to hold up because he didn't know if McCarthy was going to keep the ball.
11:10That makes such a difference in the run game, specifically for the giants.
11:14I felt like they were able to also add more elements to the run game.
11:18They ran pistol a lot and out of pistol, they had some of their most explosive run plays.
11:24They're able to pull the guard in the center and get moving in a way that looked and resembled more of the
11:30Greg Roman chargers, the Greg Roman Ravens, to be honest in the run game.
11:34So Scadaboo to me is the clear lead back.
11:37You know, we'll still see some red zone touches stolen.
11:40It's not what it was last year when he was the all time, you know, red zone guy.
11:45And I'm seeing from the chat, I would sell.
11:47Yeah. Two weeks ago, I was low on Scadaboo.
11:50You're right. But last week I came back around.
11:52Because of the quarterback change. The quarterback change. Yeah, exactly.
11:55That's that's the point. I was low two weeks ago because of Winston.
11:59And now obviously we have JJ McCarthy. Yeah, I feel like everything you said is probably true, but it almost feels like a best case scenario.
12:07I don't know that I trust it so much.
12:09He was splitting pretty evenly with Tyrone Tracy Jr.
12:12Before Tracy got hurt. He had a 19 yard carry on basically a trick play out of the tush push formation.
12:18And then in overtime, the Texans defense just self-destructed.
12:20And you saw back to back plays where Scadaboo had a long run and then Singletary had a long run.
12:26I don't know if the Texans were tired or they, you know, they were on the field a lot.
12:32But yeah, I don't know. I yeah, obviously was a good it was a really good step in the right direction for him.
12:38He's probably not this good, but I don't know.
12:41He did. I mean, he had hit eight missed force tackles yesterday and he was averaging two and a half per game coming in.
12:48Yeah, I don't know that I would sell or anything like that.
12:51It just yeah, I think be happy. Be happy that you have a guy that you can start like we can't we
12:58can't just, you know, react every time a running back has a bad game.
13:02Be like, oh, he stinks, whatever. You're probably going to have some good games going forward.
13:06Their schedule is not really that bad. Like I didn't think they had a chance of being good in the game.
13:12The fact that I did. No one did, you know, is encouraging.
13:16And they get Philly out of the by Philly's defense has been kind of average.
13:20Then they got like Washington after that, I think so.
13:23Whatever. Right. All right. That is Cam Scadaboo. And that was He's Him sponsored by HIMS.
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13:34Your news and notes. Clint Kubiak, the Raiders head coach, did not rule out a quarterback change, which is if you just
13:40look at the numbers, this is a top five passing offense.
13:43And it's not even because they're throwing a ton.
13:46Their yards per attempt is pretty solid. Touchdown rate is fifth, I think, fifth best.
13:50But we've seen the last two weeks, it's been a lot of garbage time, a lot of catch up stuff.
13:56And eventually they're going to have to, I think they've lost four in a row, right?
14:00They're going to have to make a change at some point, probably.
14:04And Shane Steichen is not considering a quarterback change yet for the Colts.
14:08At running back, you got Tyrone Tracy and Cam Scadaboo leaving with injuries.
14:11Thankfully, they go into their bye. Jameer Gibbs, that was so awkward at the end.
14:16Yeah, I'm so happy he wasn't hurt. That looks so bad.
14:19We had Christian McCaffrey going into the bye week with a thigh injury that he was able to come back from.
14:25So I assume he'll be all right. Yeah. Aaron Jones, knee injury, but good news for him.
14:30It's not a serious knee injury for Aaron Jones.
14:32And that's about it for the major ones. We had Jalen Waddell with an arm injury.
14:37Yeah, that one could be major. Yeah, I'm sorry.
14:40Shoulder. Running backs. Wide receiver, I think. Jalen Knoll with turf toe.
14:43Jalen Waddell with, you know, arm. It's a shame they finally get their offense going a little bit here.
14:49And they get the Chiefs this week. Offensive line.
14:51Big news for Taylor Moten, who's going to miss much of the season with the broken leg.
14:56The right tackle for the Panthers. The Packers have a Thursday night game against Carolina.
15:00So Carolina's not going to have their starting right tackle.
15:03The Packers are probably going to be on their third string center, which they were in this game.
15:08They're going to have their third string center most likely starting for them on Thursday against Carolina.
15:13Baltimore offensive line of Venga Yohane. I just want to say it because I want you all to know that I know
15:20how to pronounce Venga Yohane, even though it's spelled nothing like that.
15:23Yeah. It's spelled I own, but it is Yohane.
15:26And it's spelled Vega. So double bang there. Left.
15:28He left in the first half. And I mentioned Charles Cross left tackle for the Seahawks as they get the Bears this week.
15:35The Bears actually tend to get pressure. So no left tackle for maybe a few weeks.
15:40High ankle sprain. All right. Let's get to some snap counts.
15:43Oh, wait. Did we take a break? Nope. I don't think we did.
15:47We had a technical break a little while ago, but let's take an official break here.
15:51We'll go to commercial. And when we come back, we'll talk about snap counts and the four big topics after this.
15:57I'll just run through a few things here. Kyle Pitts, target per out run rate higher than 20 percent, four straight games.
16:04Didn't run as many routes last game or yesterday, but, you know, expect that to bounce back.
16:08And he has four touchdowns in his last three games.
16:11Jonah Coleman. I'm assuming Jacob's going to talk about that.
16:14He played by far the most snaps among the Broncos running backs.
16:18He played half the snaps. He ran as many routes as R.J.
16:21Harvey. It was maybe, you know, as much of a bad game for for Dobbins and Harvey as it was a good game for Coleman.
16:28And honestly, a bad game for fantasy managers if this is the case.
16:32Jamison Williams had a 29 percent target share after four straight weeks with a target share below 16 percent.
16:38And I know I'm going to talk a lot about Jamison Williams this week, but I don't know how I'm going to feel about him yet.
16:45That's a lot of research is going to have to be done for this matchup against Minnesota.
16:50The last time Goff faced Minnesota was during that stretch last year where the Vikings gave up one passing touchdown in seven games.
16:57And he was terrible. Goff scored like four or five fantasy points in that game.
17:01So you got this really great game from Jamo.
17:03Very encouraging coming out of their bye. He's got two straight games with, I think, two end zone targets.
17:09He also had – and this is what I need from Jamo.
17:12He had a season low 10 yard A dot.
17:15He's pretty much always better when they don't use him just as a downfield guy.
17:19You know, he's not – he doesn't have to be that guy.
17:23So I love the usage yesterday, but what will it mean next week?
17:27I'll do a whole bunch of research and none of it will matter because football is random.
17:31Josh Jacobs played 52 percent of the snaps. So we thought we'd get – I don't know if we thought – like
17:38there was a report that he would probably get more than that, but whatever.
17:42And then the Rams tight end usage is hilarious.
17:44Parkinson, Higby, and Davis Allen, they all played around 71 percent of the snaps.
17:48They all ran between 40 and 57 percent of the routes.
17:52Higby ran the most routes. Allen caught the most touchdowns.
17:54Parkinson had the most targets. Let's hope that they like Terrence Ferguson enough to, you know, make him like a real consistent
18:01number one tight end and not part of this jumbled mess.
18:04That's all I got. Jacob, what do you got?
18:07I'm a little – like as you can tell, I'm a little under the weather.
18:11So I'm kind of catching up. I'll get you a lot more of this on Tuesday.
18:16I thought you did a really good job there.
18:18The two that stood out to me were Casey Concepcion and Zay Flowers.
18:22I'm really intrigued by both of these guys. Concepcion playing with Munkin who is where Flowers, like his career, blossomed there.
18:28I think he plays a sort of similar role.
18:31We've just had really, really bad luck with catchable targets for this rookie, Cleveland Browns.
18:35And so honestly, we're going to talk about both of these guys today as part of our big questions.
18:40But I just wanted to point out 110 yards after the catch for Zay Flowers this week.
18:45He leads – that was a career high. He leads the league – well, he leads all receivers and tight ends in
18:52yak on the year, which is also crazy because he's played without a starting quarterback for more often than not.
18:57And he's missed the game. And he's missed partial other games.
19:00And he still leads the whole league in raw yards after the catch.
19:04Luther Burden also had 93 yak this week, which all came in the first half.
19:09Don't really know what happened there in the second half.
19:11And then Concepcion had 81 yards after the catch.
19:14The other two guys who had more than 60 were Omar Cooper Jr.
19:18and Trey Tucker. Two other guys we're going to talk about today.
19:21Yeah, exciting stuff. Omar Cooper Jr., five targets, caught them all.
19:24Huge game. Pokemon. And – oh, yeah. Let me just ask you this.
19:28As we look at the Bears at Seattle and the Lions at Minnesota – let me just make sure that game is in Minnesota.
19:35Yeah. Oh, no, it's in Detroit. Are you feeling confident in your Bears and your Lions in week eight?
19:41I know we haven't even started. It's Monday. We haven't even started our week eight prep.
19:45But just what do you think between Detroit hosting Minnesota and Chicago at Seattle Monday night?
19:50No, not really. I mean, I'm confident in the Detroit guys generally speaking.
19:54But any game where Goff gets a pass rush like this, like we've seen him get heated up at times and get pretty bad.
20:00Right. Their line is – the line has gotten healthier in Detroit.
20:04I think that – that one I feel a little bit better about.
20:08But the Bears, there's like no predictability at all is how it feels right now.
20:12We just haven't at any point found any like momentum or any sort of like trend.
20:17It's just been like all over the place with the Bears the way that this season has gone.
20:22Lately, Colson Loveland is the one who's been getting more and more first three targets.
20:26He had a 41% first three target rate this last week.
20:29That's great. That's amazing for a tight end. That's good for any player.
20:33So like I guess I would feel confident in him.
20:36I would feel confident in DeAndre Swift generally speaking.
20:38But we just saw what they did to the freaking Chiefs round game.
20:42Yeah, I don't feel confident in either of those two offenses in this game.
20:46I would probably find more confidence in the Bears offense.
20:49I think this is the exact type of game script and matchup where Goff typically struggles.
20:54Judging on – I mean everyone struggles against Brian Flores at this point, but Goff is specifically a type of quarterback that
21:00will really struggle against this style of defense. Okay.
21:03I think I have a – I don't know who I have more faith in.
21:07The Patriots have a solid defense and the Bears just scored 30 points against them.
21:11So – It's not the – nothing is the level of the Seahawks defense.
21:15It really isn't. Or the Vikings, right? Those two defenses for fantasy purposes.
21:19Those are probably the two that I want to avoid the most.
21:23Certainly the Vikings. But the Vikings – I mean Brian Flores – I think Brian Flores blitzed like 88% of the time yesterday.
21:29Look at the Vikings schedule though. You know, like they played Green Bay and Jordan Love had a decent game.
21:35And they gave up 22 points. Since then, Chicago with a backup – oh no, no, no, they did – that was in the rain though.
21:42But they – yeah, they humiliated Caleb Williams I guess.
21:45But that was a 9-3 win in bad weather.
21:48Tampa Bay, Miami, New Orleans, and the Colts. Ugh.
21:51That's going to be tough. All right. Let's get into our four big topics.
21:55A guy on Twitter named Free wants us to talk about the rookie wide receivers.
21:59Do any have season-long wide receiver two upside? And just real quick here.
22:03There are 25-ish wide receivers who are averaging 14 or more PPR fantasy points per game.
22:07So that's kind of what I'm going to look for in this conversation.
22:11Wide receiver two upside. 14 or more PPR fantasy points per game.
22:14Over the last five seasons, there have been seven wide receivers, not including this season.
22:192021 to 2025. Seven rookie wide receivers who averaged 14 or more PPR fantasy points per game.
22:24They were Jamar Chase and Jalen Waddell in 2001.
22:26Puka Nakua and Tank Dell in 2023. I said 2001.
22:29Sorry. I mean 2021. Puka Nakua and Tank Dell in 2023.
22:32And Malik Neighbors, Ladd McConkie, and Brian Thomas Jr.
22:35in 2024. So there you go. Those were the guys who did it.
22:3914 points per game or more. Some of them were on terrible offenses like Malik Neighbors, Brian Thomas Jr., and Jalen Waddell.
22:45They were all on teams that were 25th or worst in scoring.
22:48I'm looking at you, Carnell Tate. So, Dan, what do you think?
22:52Do any rookie wide receivers have top 24 upside rest of season?
22:55Start with the one I think has the most upside, Omar Cooper Jr.
22:59We talked about him last week a lot on Beyond the Box score.
23:03All three shows that I did, including this one.
23:05And I thought his film was really good from week six.
23:09I haven't got a chance to watch what he did yet in week seven.
23:13Obviously five for, I believe, 114 and a touchdown.
23:15The thing I really liked was on the touchdown, he was lined up out of the backfield.
23:20Just finding ways to get him the football the Jets are.
23:23I think the reality is at this point, they're looking at it like, defense are trying to take away Garrett Wilson from our passing game.
23:31What are our other options in the pass game?
23:33And it feels like the next best option is to just get Omar Cooper these one-on-one matchups and take advantage of that
23:39because he's a really good football player. I watch him in Indiana and I thought he was more of like a Debo type after the catch guy.
23:47I watch him with the Jets for at least from last week's tape.
23:51And I think he's more of a just like route you up type of guy.
23:55And he's somebody who can win his routes consistently.
23:58And that's, to me, a very good sign of things moving forward.
24:01I'm not going crazy here and being like wide receiver one in a Jets offense.
24:06And there's obviously still like some concern to me that at some point, they want to see what club Nick looks like.
24:12I know it's not like likely, but it's possible.
24:15And at that point, I'm just entirely out on the Jets offense.
24:18But until now, Geno's playing okay enough to make Cooper, in my mind, get Cooper into the wide receiver two mix.
24:24Do I find anyone else to be in that mix?
24:27I know Jacob will probably say Tate. And obviously Carnell Tate as well.
24:31Yeah, Carnell Tate as well. I think if you could go back and amend the statement, would you say that Tate has more upside than Omar Cooper Jr.?
24:39Yeah, more upside. Sure. I'm not so sure he'll outscore him the rest of season, but I do think he definitely has more upside.
24:46I've got data on the rookies. Can I throw that up on the screen?
24:50Yeah, let's see it. So it's sort of by fantasy points per outrun over on the right side there.
24:55And then this is just all the other relevant receiving stuff.
24:58You can see Omar Cooper Jr. is averaging 16.3 points per game, which is crazy.
25:03You can see the number of games that played over on the left side.
25:07Concepcion is the one who stands out to me.
25:09I think he's like just a better version of Omar Cooper Jr.
25:13I guess that the offensive environment isn't as good.
25:15Yeah. I see them pretty similar, honestly. There's target competition for both of them.
25:20Yeah. They work in and out of the slot.
25:22They're great after the catch. We saw some Concepcion plays after the catch this week that were phenomenal, which is what we'd seen on film in college too.
25:30He's different than Cooper Jr. I think he's more consistent in his yak and route winning ability.
25:35Cooper Jr. had a lot of flashes. He worked two years ago at Indiana.
25:39He worked outside a ton and down the field more, and you got to see more of the route running chops.
25:45And it was good, but it's not consistent in my opinion.
25:48At least it wasn't then. But he had some huge wins.
25:51What he's done so far has been a lot of big play stuff, but it's like all the skills that we know are there showing up.
25:59I do think it's inflating things, obviously. I mean, he's number one in the NFL in fantasy points per hour run right now.
26:06Wow. So like, obviously. Of all players, not just rookies.
26:08Yeah. If you can sell based off that, sure.
26:11But I do think the yak is real. If you look at yak data, it was only Luther Burden who was better than Omar Cooper Jr.
26:19over the last five draft classes in terms of yards after the catch, yards after contact.
26:23He's really, really good in that regard. I think he was using a favorable situation to do that.
26:28It was different than Concepcion. Concepcion's teams were kind of trash.
26:32But very good at that. And Cam went down the field, has a decent feel for zone coverage too.
26:37A few of these catches have been a good zone where he settled into the right spot, then taken off after the catch after that.
26:44I think he's legit. I just don't know if we can expect the opportunities to keep being there like this.
26:50If you want us after two huge games, that could be right.
26:53That definitely could be right. We're still talking about a Jets receiver who plays on a team with Garrett Wilson.
26:59Right. And Mason Taylor and Adonai Mitchell for what it's worth.
27:02Because that's relevant when we talk about Garrett Wilson soon.
27:05I think, I mean, clearly to me, if I could have any rookie wide receiver, it'd be Carnell Tate.
27:11That's the one I'm most excited about. The Titans are the worst offense in football.
27:15They throw for the fewest yards per game. That sucks, but his target share is immense.
27:20His target per outrun rate is really good. So for me, it's easily Carnell Tate.
27:24I have some issues with all of the others.
27:27I don't think this is going to be a great rookie class.
27:30I don't think it's going to be a consistent one.
27:33My issue, if I could combine Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston's profiles, I think we could have a great receiver.
27:39With Denzel Boston, you have a guy who has a 16-yard ADOT.
27:42It's just, and it's week after week of high ADOTs.
27:45And you know what? He got a deep end zone target in this game, and it was a little bit overthrown, and that happens.
27:52I don't know if it's quite an end zone target.
27:55It was close. He had another deep ball. He was wide open, and Watson missed him.
27:59That play would have come back on a holding ball anyway, so it doesn't officially count as a target.
28:05But like, you're going to get these big games from Denzel Boston.
28:08I can't imagine you're going to get much consistency.
28:11With Concepcion, it's a little gimmicky. You know, it's good that they're designing plays for him and stuff like that, but it
28:17is relying a lot on Yak, and he does not have a—he's getting a lot of targets lately.
28:23He does not have a single target in the green zone or a single target in the end zone so far this year.
28:29And I do think he looks like a guy where touchdowns could be a problem, like the profile.
28:34I could see that being a problem. Definitely. He had a target go through his hands this week that could have easily been a touchdown.
28:42It wasn't a green zone target technically, but it was near the end zone.
28:46Yeah, it was like at the 20 or something like that, but definitely he was on the run.
28:51It was a really well-designed play, I think, and he—yeah, he did drop that Concepcion.
28:55This was a great game for him, but I do think that you might be able to sell on these guys.
29:01I just don't think they're going to be consistent, and if I'm looking at 14 PPR fantasy points per game, like rest
29:07of season— Yeah, it's going to be tough to get that.
29:11It's just Tate for me is the only one I think I could do it.
29:15Yeah, averaging out. I think Tyson's got a chance.
29:18I mean, that's just based on hope, but I think he— Tyson's based on hope for sure, but—and talent.
29:23I would say there's sleepers in this category as well.
29:26Like to me, Antonio Williams is a massive sleeper.
29:29All he's done is look good, both on tape and by the metrics, and now Terry McLaurin's out for the year, and
29:35Jaden looks pretty good throwing the ball. Like no one really talks about that one, but to me, that's a big sleeper.
29:41Malachi Fields is a sleeper as well. All he's done is catch every pass thrown to him, and it looked from yesterday's
29:48tape, like he was a big first—I don't know the numbers on it, but like he was a big factor in the game plan, and J.J.
29:55looked for him a lot. Didn't you read my stat on him?
29:59Didn't you read my Malachi Fields stat? I did read your Malachi Fields stat, but you can tell.
30:04What was it? I don't remember. I read a lot of things yesterday, and I don't quite remember your Malachi Fields stat.
30:10He has like a 23% target share with J.J.
30:13McCarthy and Isaiah Likely. I mean, Isaiah Likely has like a 16%, something like that.
30:17And Likely's banged up now as well, playing through what looks like an injury that he's not complaining about, but it looks pretty obvious.
30:24So Malachi Fields to me is another big sleeper.
30:26I don't know if I can find consistency for him or for Antonio Williams, but they're certainly sleepers for me in this class.
30:33And then obviously you've got to at least consider, will Miami build on what Caleb Douglas was able to do this past week?
30:40Is there something they figured out in their bye week that's allowing them to pass the football a little bit more consistently?
30:46Because if that's the case, he could just be in that Carnell Tate range.
30:50Obviously not as talented, but not necessarily a worse quarterback play.
30:53No offense, Adam, dear boy. But like not guaranteed to be worse quarterback play and maybe now becoming that number one type guy for Miami.
31:00I mean, in his first game, he had seven targets.
31:03He had a 26% target share at 94 yards.
31:06Like we've seen him play three games and two of them have been really productive.
31:10Yeah. And he looked freaking awesome this preseason too.
31:13He looks awesome on film. Yeah. Just Tate has by far the best setup, right?
31:17Like he really has no target competition. And unfortunately he has the worst passing game, but...
31:22Tate's like top 15 and first three target rate among all players.
31:25Yeah. His usage is in a different ballpark than the rest of these guys.
31:29Unless Makai Lemon does something different than what we've seen tonight.
31:32Like nobody else is even close. Those guys we're excited about.
31:36Let's talk about the scrubs. Garrett Wilson and Nico Collins and Derek Henry and Chase Brown.
31:40I do have some encouraging stuff for Chase Brown, even more than what we talked about yesterday.
31:45Don't do this. Try. We do this every week.
31:48I'm so sick of this. Everyone's so sick of this.
31:51But first we do have to take a break.
31:53We'll be right back after this to talk about the four concerning players that again emerged in week seven.
31:59And that'll be after this. We'll be right back.
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32:45So, if you were going to give me a rank of most worried to least worried, okay?
32:50One to four. Garrett Wilson, Nico Collins, Derek Henry, Chase Brown.
32:53How would you rank them? Most worried to least worried?
32:56Chase Brown, Wilson, I guess. And then, I guess Nico?
32:59Henry, least worried for you? Henry, by far and away the least worried.
33:03By far and away. I know you've been a little bit more worried about him, Adam.
33:07I just think it's purely a Lamar issue. Once Lamar's back in the lineup, everything changes.
33:12I have very, personally, I'm not a big Tyler Huntley fan.
33:15I would say it's least worried, Henry. Second to least worried, Nico for me.
33:19Third to least worried, Chase Brown. Most worried would be Wilson.
33:22Okay. So, you did it the exact opposite of the way I asked you to do it.
33:27Thank you. You're very welcome. Yeah, I'm not that worried about Derek Henry.
33:31I mean, look, the guy's 32. First time in his career, he's had six straight games where he's failed to average more than 4.3 yards per carry.
33:39And last year without Lamar Jackson, you didn't know that, Dan?
33:42Not that stat, no. Is that also in the article?
33:45You didn't read it. You didn't read my, it really hurts.
33:48I did read it, but my brain is not as good as it used to be when there's a thousand things going on on a Sunday.
33:55He played four games without Lamar Jackson last year, and he averaged 2.2, 5.1, 3.4, and 6.0 yards per carry.
34:01You know, he had a game with 122 rushing yards.
34:04He had a game with 36 carries for 216 yards and four touchdowns, scored 45.6 fantasy points at Green Bay.
34:10So it's not like he was this bad last year without Lamar.
34:13You know, he's got one of the lowest, one of the worst rates of carries for zero or negative yards.
34:19And I looked at, you know, just the first seven weeks of last year, and it was actually kind of similar.
34:25So I actually think if you look at Derek Henry, you could see some things that actually look concerning.
34:31But at the same time, we had the same exact argument or conversation rather last year because it was the first nine games of last year.
34:38He wasn't even really that good. He scored more than 14 fantasy points last year in PPR in two of his first nine games.
34:45And then in his last eight games, you know, he was on pace for over like almost 2,100 total yards and 21 touchdowns.
34:52So I think Derek Henry can get things going immediately.
34:55But two straight games of fewer than six PPR fantasy points is awful and just weak losers for you there.
35:00So we agree, Henry, everybody agrees, Henry, the least concerning.
35:03Garrett, most concerning for Dan was Garrett Wilson. Who was it for you, Jacob?
35:07I guess Chase Brown, but I don't know. Like as you're talking, there's like, yeah, both these guys started so slow last year.
35:14They're both in the exact same situation this year.
35:16I don't know if I'm really that worried about it.
35:19But I guess I'll say Wilson, but I feel the same way about Wilson that I did coming into the year.
35:25Like I think that he can have really good games.
35:28He can target dominate at times. He got extremely lucky in the fact that the Jets lost like every single offensive skill
35:35position player other than him to start the year.
35:37And so they've fed him like a 36% target share in those games.
35:41I don't think he's going to have a 10% target share like he did this week.
35:46But I do think it might be lower than 30%.
35:48And if you have a lower than 30% target share on an offense like the Jets, and you're not creating a ton
35:55on your own three yards after the catch on the year, he's never been.
35:59He can't create after the catch. He's not ever produced a ton there.
36:03He's not getting a ton of downfield looks or anything like he's more he's for fantasy.
36:07He has been more of an accumulator where he needs to get a ton of targets.
36:12Yeah. Um, so yeah, it doesn't feel great with him really.
36:15I guess I'll say he's one of the most worried about.
36:18One other thing to worry about with Wilson. We brought this up on yesterday's show.
36:22The schedule is not that bad for the foreseeable future.
36:25However, the last five games of the season for Garrett Wilson of the fantasy season are a bye.
36:30Patrick Sertan. Then the Cardinals. Christian Gonzalez, who just shut him down.
36:34And then the Vikings. So it is a really specifically for Garrett Wilson, a terrible end of the season.
36:39I don't know that Christian Gonzalez and Patrick Sertan are going to be healthy.
36:43Maybe the Vikings fall apart. But if they were if you're playing all those opponents, you know, at full health, it would
36:50be really bad for for Garrett Wilson. And I think for Nico, it's just like, sorry, dude, you came to the you got to understand banks closed.
36:58The banks closed on Sunday. You just got to understand.
37:00And I've been waiting to say that for so many years, Adam, since the Giants drafted Deontay Banks.
37:06But the reality is this dude's actually turned into one of the better cover corners in the NFL.
37:11It's kind of absurd. This turnaround. It's one of the most unexpected things I've probably had during my lifetime covering the Giants,
37:17given where he was at last year versus now.
37:20But the tape's pretty clear. He's in the hip pocket almost every snap.
37:24And honestly, Travis Hunter is a really good corner, too.
37:26So it's two weeks in a row where Nico's been shadowed.
37:30And I watched the tape. I know you watched the tape.
37:33I watched it this morning. Seemed like the Giants were also giving Deontay Banks a lot of help.
37:38They had a lot of attention on Nico Collins, in my opinion.
37:41And I think there are some. So so you could kind of excuse that.
37:45However, that's not the whole story. You know, last two years, he's run 83 percent of the routes and 80 percent of the routes.
37:52That's not a superstar receiver. That's going to be tough to be like, great, great with that could be good.
37:58But great. It's true. Marvin Harrison Jr. So far is getting so heavily targeted.
38:02He's like a 50 percent target per out run rate is something like that.
38:06And Nico Collins has run 16 routes with Marvin Harrison Jr.
38:09on the field. And he has two targets on those 16 routes.
38:13And like this isn't going to keep up. But Marvin Harrison Jr.
38:16is only going to get more involved. He's barely playing.
38:19And when he's been on the field, Nico's getting basically nothing.
38:22He's got a 23.2 percent target per out run rate for the season.
38:26That's his lowest in four years. So when you ask me if I'm more worried about Nico Collins or Garrett Wilson, my
38:32answer is I'm more worried about Nico Collins based on preseason expectations.
38:36Sure. Had him about a round and a half earlier than Garrett Wilson.
38:40But if I were drafting today, they'd be closer together.
38:42You know, I think Garrett, I think Garrett Wilson would be mostly fine.
38:46But I'm worried about both of them. Like I used to look at my I only have Garrett.
38:51I don't have Garrett Wilson on any teams. I only have Nico in one team.
38:56I used to look at that team like I am set.
38:59I love it. I start Nico Collins. I'm getting points every week.
39:02I no longer feel that way. I don't fear nearly as good about that team as I did.
39:08Sure. I think we have legitimate issues here. However, I do think he's going to be pretty solid rest of season.
39:14You know, I think he'll be a number two receiver.
39:16Garrett Wilson, I think, will be like on the border of a top 24 receiver personally.
39:21And then Chase, you guys agree with that or kind of where you're at?
39:25I have a hard time being worried about Nico.
39:28I know it's been really rough the last couple of games.
39:31Okay. I just think Jacob's right. I mean, prior to this game, CJ Stroud was the only quarterback.
39:36Jacob brought the stat to my attention that had 200 plus air yards in every game.
39:41It's still a high opportunity offense with a quarterback playing really well.
39:44The Giants were able to shut him down, but no one else really has been able to.
39:49The Texans kind of got chiefed in this game.
39:52They had 54 plays. It was kind of like that, whereas kind of like the Giants against the Cowboys in week one or whatever.
39:59Chase Brown. So he played 75.5% of the snaps.
40:01That's a big number. He played 60% of the snaps the last time we talked about Chase Brown in week five.
40:07I think a lot of people saw the one-yard goal line touchdown from Samaj A.
40:12Pirine, and that really stinks. Like, I think it's almost like— I thought they would try to get him a touchdown, too.
40:18He hasn't scored one all year. Yeah, and he hasn't scored yet this year?
40:22Wow. Pretty sure, right? Is that wrong? No, he scored in week one.
40:26Oh, just week one. Okay, so he hasn't scored since week one.
40:29And we need that. Like, your hope with Chase Brown is that you knew he wasn't as talented as James Cook and you thought Omari and Hampton, whatever.
40:37Like, a lot of the running backs— You bought him for the touchdowns, 100%.
40:41You bought him for the offense and the touchdowns, exactly.
40:44And if Pirine's going to get that, it's a real bummer.
40:47But there was a sequence that I didn't really talk about yesterday that I noticed today.
40:52It was after that. It was with eight minutes and 14 seconds to play in the fourth quarter.
40:57They're up by eight. First and goal at the six-yard line.
41:00Chase Brown is in the game. He carries to the two-yard line.
41:04He's in the game on second and goal. Not lined up in the backfield, but he's in the game.
41:09They throw incomplete. He's in the game on third and goal from the two-yard line.
41:14They throw a touchdown at two. Jamar Chase. So I thought that was encouraging.
41:18There was talk that maybe—the report from The Athletic that maybe Samadze Pirine was more suited for the runs out of the
41:24shotgun and Chase Brown more suited for the runs under center.
41:27Well, I mean, Pirine barely had any carries in this game, but Chase Brown actually had six runs out of the shotgun,
41:33so it's not like they took him off the field when they were in shotgun or anything like that.
41:39The usage was great. If he just scores that damn touchdown, we're probably pretty relieved.
41:43I can't predict the future. I don't know what the goal line work's going to be, but if he gets that, then he'll be okay.
41:50Here's a play I want to show you, though.
41:53This really frustrated me. Like, he's got a huge hole here between his right guard and his right tackle.
41:58This is a well-blocked play. His next step has to be that hole.
42:02He takes another step, maybe step and a half straight forward.
42:05He ends up gaining like five yards on the play.
42:08And this one really frustrated me, too. Where are we?
42:11Nope. Come back. Nope. Hmm. Where's the other Chase Brown one?
42:14All right. Don't have it. It was a well-blocked play except for his center.
42:18They had a play really set up, and his center got absolutely destroyed on the play, and he got tackled for a loss.
42:25Also, I didn't get a chance to talk about these Geno Smith screenshots.
42:29Let's take a look at this. I keep clicking things, and it keeps bringing up Chase Brown.
42:34That is weird. It never happens. I see you clicking on the back end.
42:38You're trying to get this Garrett Wilson thing. All right.
42:41Let's remove all the Chase Browns from here if we can.
42:44And I will... Can I remove him from my fantasy teams in life, but get something better back for it?
42:49If we can get those out of here. Him and Hampton are just nightmare picks.
42:54All right. I'm just going to click on a random thing.
42:57Let's see if it brings up Chase Brown. Ready?
43:00Oh. I tried to circle Garrett Wilson on this play.
43:02I don't know if you can tell. That's how open Garrett Wilson is.
43:06The throw does not go to Garrett Wilson. Watch how open Mason Taylor is.
43:10You see this play? Holy cow. Geno Smith has Mason Taylor.
43:13There is no one within 15 to 20 yards.
43:16That's a touchdown. That should have been a three-touchdown game for Mason Taylor.
43:20Doesn't see him. The next play is an interception.
43:22And then you have two options if you're Geno Smith.
43:25You have option one, Garrett Wilson, for about six yards.
43:28Or option two, Adonai Mitchell, for a 65-yard touchdown almost.
43:31And he chose option one. A lot of misses in terms of seeing the field for Geno Smith.
43:36In week seven. All right. Anything else to add on these four?
43:40These four losers? Just kidding. Just kidding. Okay. Moving on.
43:43Next topic from They Know That We're Like That.
43:45Who is this year's JSN? I mean, it's Zay Flowers, isn't it?
43:49It's JSN. It's JSN. It is definitely Zay Flowers.
43:51Yeah. I don't know if there's any other player in competition.
43:54I watch Zay Flowers, and I feel like he's always been good post-catch.
43:58He's even better now post-catch than he was earlier in his career.
44:02And I just can't wait to see him with Lamar Jackson once Lamar gets back.
44:06So to me, it's Zay Flowers. I don't think he'll reach the level of JSN last year.
44:11JSN is JSN. I looked up first seven weeks of data during the time that we have per route data available to us, which dates back to 2013.
44:19And the closest season we have to last year's JSN is this year's JSN.
44:23Is it better or worse than last year? So, I mean, he's averaging 28 fantasy points per game, which is better for sure.
44:30That's the best of all time. The per route data is not quite as good.
44:34He's averaging 3.8 yards per outrun compared to 4.3 yards per outrun.
44:37But they're running more routes. The Seahawks have been a little bit different than last year.
44:42They're a little bit more pass-heavy because of their running back room.
44:45And then they've been in some weird game scripts.
44:48And then he also has eight touchdowns compared to four touchdowns at this point last year.
44:53Last year, he scored 10 touchdowns. He already has eight on the year.
44:56So, yeah, 28 PPR points per game is the most in NFL history through the first seven weeks of a season.
45:02And then Zay Flowers, yeah, he was third. So other than JSN, he's the most similar to JSN dating back to 2013 through an initial seven weeks.
45:10And that's with, again, an overwhelming amount of his drop-back route running opportunities coming with freaking Tyler Huntley.
45:15He's averaged 3.7 yards per outrun on a 33% target per outrun rate with a 15% first down per outrun rate, which
45:22is all pretty similar to JSN last year and this year.
45:25But if you look at the splits with Lamar Jackson on the field, he's averaging 7.8 yards per outrun.
45:30Which is like three great players. Yes. Three elite players, basically.
45:337.8 yards per outrun. He's run 45 routes. 45 routes to Lamar, which is like a game, game and a half, maybe five quarters.
45:40He has 65 PPR points. Yeah. It's insane. And you could throw another name in the mix, Malik Neighbors.
45:46You can throw him in the Malik mixes this year.
45:49He's been now quarterback-proof and matchup-proof at this point, Malik Neighbors.
45:52The big play he made in this week, the long catch, 47 yards, was, again, a slot vert.
45:57So they're using him and they're moving him into the slot to get matchups that are right.
46:02He looks awesome out there. He is awesome. He hasn't even really reached his top form yet because the post-catch burst isn't there yet.
46:09Could that return end of season? Or is it just a next year thing?
46:13I don't know. But he doesn't need it right now.
46:16This is four straight 100-yard games for him. Three, what is it, two different quarterbacks to do it with.
46:21So backups. So I just feel like Neighbors belongs in this mix as well.
46:25Neighbors is amazing. Zay is doing it stylistically in the most similar way to Jason.
46:30Yeah, that's fair. Where it's like coaching change, all the condensed formation stuff, all the big personnel packages and everything that's unlocking him this way.
46:37Also, it just reminds me of Jason a little bit last year, where one of the very first things I saw in
46:43Red Zone this week, after having a bunch of start-sick questions with y'all, and being surprised you didn't have Zay in the
46:50top 10, sorry, no shade or anything, but I was like, how are we just not going to play Zay Flowers this week?
46:56I don't care that it's Huntley. I know the past two games haven't been that good.
47:01Yeah, but because of the last two games. You've got to play the guy.
47:05Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I get that the last two games weren't that good, but that's the floor.
47:10That's fine. I'll take that. Nico Collins just gave me two points.
47:14Who cares? This guy's uncoverable. And then it's like immediately, he just like turns a play into a freaking touchdown.
47:20And then like throughout the day, every single time they flip it to the Ravens, he just looks like a superhero out there.
47:26I don't know what it is, but he's on something different this year.
47:30That's what I'm saying. How is he even more talented than he was before?
47:34It's crazy what he's doing. It's crazy. It kind of reminds me of Jason, where it's like he just looks so locked
47:40in and so damn talented that like he's just transcending everyone out there.
47:44It looks like the best player by far. That's a great word for it.
47:48Honestly, you know, it wouldn't be the heights of JSN last year, but if Matthew Golden could just catch the ball, he'd
47:54be preferred with that kind of year, right? That's actually, I love that.
47:58That's a good call. He looks so good. He's open all the time.
48:02He's got four games with 12 or more targets.
48:05It's crazy. Unreal. You know, 69 targets in seven games.
48:07This is nuts. If he would, how many fantasy points has Matthew Golden left on the field the last two games?
48:13It's probably over 20, you know, because it's two touchdowns.
48:16It's a bunch of yards. You know, it's crazy.
48:19All right. By the way, Dan, when do we get a future quarterback controversy for the Giants?
48:24We're not talking about that yet. Let's just have fun.
48:27Enjoy the time being. Please. All right. Our last topic is just the name.
48:31It's just Trey Tucker, a guy that I just feel like throughout all of the shows, we just haven't really, you know, talked about a lot.
48:38Well, he doesn't do that well. Typically, he never, he'll pretty much never puts back to back good games together ever.
48:44And he's the biggest tease in fantasy, but he's got 200 yards, 10 catches, 200 yards and three touchdowns in his last two games.
48:51He has 48 fantasy points in his last two games against the bills and the Raiders and the Raiders, the Raiders, the Raiders, sorry.
48:58He's on the Raiders. The Rams are really good against wide receivers.
49:02So I think, you know, the fact that there's been some garbage time in there, you know, people don't really take it seriously.
49:08He was started in 65% of leagues and he tends to break people's hearts.
49:12But Dan, what do you think about Trey Tucker?
49:15I'm not very interested personally. I think we're about to undergo a quarterback change here in Las Vegas.
49:20I heard after the game, Kubiak talk, not giving, not really commit to Kirk cousins.
49:24Personally, I think that Mendoza will be considerably worse for the entire Raiders pass game.
49:29Then cousins. We'll see if I'm wrong. He can hit the ground running.
49:32It's possible, but I think cousins to play good football and I don't think he's necessarily the reason why they're three and four.
49:39Is it just that you think he is going to read things out a lot worse than cousins?
49:44Cause the charted accuracy is pretty terrible. Yeah. I think it's going to be just slow.
49:49It's just, I mean, look, it's possible to get away with it.
49:52So I shouldn't discredit it to start because essentially like this is what JJ McCarthy has done the last five quarters.
49:58It's been a lot of first read stuff and it could just be, could be act designs.
50:03Good first reads for Mendoza. He gets the ball out fast.
50:06I just, I'm just personally skeptical about what we'll get from Mendoza as far as like passing game health goes.
50:12So you're saying you think that, they'll play slower.
50:15I think they'll play slower for sure. Yeah. Um, I also, yeah.
50:18And pass less. And I just think it's going to be a lot more first read stuff, which I think we'll go to Bowers.
50:25This is just Tucker specific. Mostly for me. Um, I've got some data on Tucker real quick though.
50:30And say flowers, I wanted to add that he has six red zone targets already this year.
50:35Last year at 10, the year before that he had seven.
50:38Yeah. That's, that's it right there. He has a, he has a 26% target per rat run rate in the red zone.
50:45His rate across the first three seasons was 16%.
50:47So that's a huge increase. Um, so that's just another like cherry on top.
50:51In addition to him creating like ridiculous yards after the catch and everything.
50:55Um, doesn't have an end zone target yet though.
50:58Yeah. I don't, I'm curious how many they even have.
51:01Um, trade Tucker. So trade Tucker's expected fantasy points, which is a model from the fantasy points data suite, um, that looks
51:07like catchable targets and like where the targets are coming on the field and all that end zone targets, red zone targets, first three targets, all that stuff.
51:15Um, his XFP per game puts him in the same range as Garrett Wilson and Luther Burden and DK Metcalf.
51:21Um, a lot of those mid range, like why do I guess like high end wide receiver threes, low end wide receiver two types for fantasy.
51:28Um, so like in terms of XFP, it actually backs up what we've gotten so far that the role has been pretty good.
51:35He's 13th and deep targets. He's 20th and catchable deep targets.
51:38Again, the, the charting accuracy on cousins is not very good this year.
51:42Um, he's 20th in red zone targets, trade Tucker.
51:44He's 18th in end zone targets. And then his first read target rate is 23%, which is the same range as Jamison
51:51Williams, Denzel Boston, George Pickens, so I think you can think of him as similar to those guys so far, at least
51:57in the role that he's playing where he's not the one, a, or whatever.
52:01He may not, may not even be the one B.
52:04Maybe that's Michael Mayer. I don't know. Maybe that's gente, but he's a complimentary outside piece and he's clearly the preferred option among like the, the other receivers.
52:12Um, so he does get down to the looks.
52:15He does get some end zone looks and all that.
52:18And then occasionally it does have some first read targets to, in the same range as those other field stretching types, um, that have been good for fantasy.
52:26I think the office has been designed really, really well.
52:29And so it could keep working for Tucker. Um, there's the other thing that I liked is there's no real drop off.
52:35If you look at the usage when Bowers has been back, it's not like these rates are boosted by the first two games of Bowers was out.
52:43His target numbers are basically identical since Bowers has returned.
52:46And I think if I remember right, you and I did like a Trey Tucker film review when he had one of
52:52those crazy games a couple of years ago, Dan, and you really liked the player, right?
52:56Yes. Yeah. So if you knew that he would get 20 plus percent of the first three targets, would that change your opinion on?
53:03Yeah, it definitely will. I shouldn't, I mean, I'm speculating on Mendoza.
53:07We haven't seen anything. It's certainly possible. You could still be a big part of the game plan and first read.
53:13I just think we're generally headed for a less of a progression based offense.
53:17If Mendoza gets in the game, I just think it's crazy to think that the Raiders are fifth in points per game,
53:23fifth in gross passing yards per game, fourth in touchdown passes, seventh in pass attempts, which doesn't shock me, fifth in touchdown rate.
53:30They cannot run the football. Gentry is the one who's kind of screwing things up for everyone.
53:35Like, you know, Bowers is going to get his.
53:37Gentry is on pace for 83 catches. Right. It shouldn't be crazy, right?
53:41I mean, it's Clint Kubiak. Like this guy embarrassed the whole league on his way to a Super Bowl.
53:47He did whatever he wanted, but he didn't throw to the running backs like this.
53:51You know, I'm just saying, but now he has for Tucker's sake.
53:54It would be great if Ash and Gentry weren't so involved in the passing game, but I'm just saying I, I buy the Raiders stuff.
54:02I think that is actually good. They're them and the 49ers.
54:05They're two offices that have consistently produced fantasy points every single week.
54:08I don't remember this stat. Exactly. I did it last week on a, like, buy low episode where I talk about Gentry.
54:15I think it was like 80 plus PPR points in every single game.
54:18It's just them and the Niners. So someone's, we got a comment in the chat.
54:23I don't know why you were talking about Mendoza.
54:25Kirk Cousins lit it up this week. So, because it could be expresser.
54:29They've lost four in a row. So they keep falling behind and then Cousins tries to rescue them in the fourth quarter.
54:35And he's, you know, he put up numbers, but it was a real struggle through three quarters.
54:40I think they had like three or six points or something like that.
54:44And, um, yeah, it's, that's just not, it's just not working.
54:47So, and then they did ask Kubiak about it and he said that he, he did not commit.
54:52He did not commit to Kirk Cousins. So I would caution you to, you know, look beyond the box score as people, Ooh, let's coin that.
55:00And, you know, Cousins didn't really have that, that good of a game, unfortunately, but there's no doubt he's, you know, he's been, he's exceeded expectations.
55:07It's just, um, I, I actually like from what I saw in preseason and when he came in, like I kind of
55:14came in the regular season, I kind of like Mendoza.
55:17I don't know what to expect, but we'll say, yeah, he's got a better arm than I realized coming out of college.
55:23I don't know why it's like, looks stronger here.
55:25Um, and, um, I've got a better arm than Cousins, but that's not everything, obviously.
55:30Um, yeah, I don't know. I, he's a good compare, good comparison to Jameson Williams.
55:34I would take Jameson Williams every time, but right now he's averaging more fantasy points than Jameson Williams.
55:39So it's crazy. What do I know? Um, all right, everybody.
55:43Thanks so much for watching and listening. I hope you enjoyed the show and, uh, we'll talk to you tomorrow.
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