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0:05I'm Ryan Wormeli, joined by Andrew Erickson. We are talking wide receivers and tight ends to buy and sell on today's show.
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1:49Erickson, without further ado, your wide receiver to buy.
1:51Rookie wide receiver for the Tennessee Titans, Carnell Tate.
1:54I look at this as a buy low hidden as a buy high, because Carnell Tate would have probably gone off in
2:00this game against the Bengals had he actually played.
2:02Because we saw Cam Ward basically post one of his best games of his NFL career in terms of EPA per dropback, in terms of total success rate.
2:10He threw for 300 yards for, I think, the first time in his NFL career.
2:14And he did it all without Carnell Tate. Now, maybe it's more telling about how bad the Bengals defense is, but I
2:20think it does at least suggest that, okay, Cam Ward can get some stuff done when he has some of his receivers working.
2:26So I think that Tate, given his body work so far throughout his rookie season, which I think, again, up and down,
2:33that's usually what it typically is when it comes to rookie wide receivers.
2:36But I think generally mostly encouraging when the quarterback play has been mostly subpar on the year.
2:41Carnell Tate, 22nd in target share at 21%, top 12 in area yard share at 37.2%.
2:45He has one game this season with a target share below 14%.
2:49He has five games with a target share north of 23%.
2:52So clearly he is the number one wide receiver on the Tennessee Titans.
2:55There's no debating that. And he's been relatively productive, 70 plus receiving yards in three of his last four games played, averaging eight targets per game.
3:02In his last six games played. So he missed this past game dealing with a shoulder injury.
3:07The Titans are on a buy this week, so he should be 100% healthy, ready to go.
3:12That's what all the reports have suggested that it's just a one week absence for him.
3:16So he should be ready to go. And he has not moved in the rest of his rankings because he didn't play last week.
3:23But had he had played, he would have moved up at least inside the top 20.
3:27There's no doubt in my mind because it would have been, oh, another rookie breakout game by Carnell Tate.
3:33He's going to take off in the second half of the season.
3:36Those narratives would all be in play, but they're not because he missed the game.
3:40However, I think that is still worth buying into as a top five real life draft pick at wide receiver who's shown
3:46a lot of flashes through the first half of his rookie season.
3:49And what do we see all the time where these rookie wide receivers in the second half of the season coming out
3:55of the bye week, they go absolutely nuclear. So the fact that Cam Ward has shown size of life, that he can
4:02support fantasy viable options and do this schedule for the Tennessee Titans out of the bye week.
4:06It's really, really good. It's really strong in terms of the quarterback schedule.
4:10So I expect Cam Ward to have some big games down the stretch, but Jaguars, Cowboys, Jaguars again, Commanders, Lions, Colts, Raiders
4:16in week 15, or excuse me, Raiders in week 16.
4:19Now the Steelers at home is the one tough one in week 17.
4:22But besides that, and then you get Houston in week 18.
4:25I think this is a really strong schedule for Cardinal Tate to finish the season on a high note and out of
4:31sight, out of mind on a bye week. I think you can get him for pennies on the dollar, put him on your bench.
4:38He's ranked outside the top 24 wide receivers, even though all of his peripheral metrics, everything under the hood suggests this guy's
4:44going to at least be at worst a top 24 wide receiver rest of season.
4:48Yeah, I'm pretty mad that you got to the sheet first.
4:51This is a great call. I couldn't come up with it.
4:54I usually get to the sheet before you and you beat me this week and I couldn't come up with a better one than this.
5:01This, this is, I think a great shout by you to the point quickly, just about the Steelers in week 17.
5:07I am a huge believer. And I think we talked about this a little last year, Erickson.
5:12I'm a huge believer in, I pay much more attention to who has a friendly fantasy playoff schedule than I do who has a difficult fantasy playoff schedule.
5:20Because defenses change a lot, but it usually changes for the worse.
5:23It's pretty rare that a defense that is really fantasy friendly and that you want to be targeting in your matchups all
5:29of a sudden turns it on between November 1st and December 20th.
5:32And it's now this elite defense that scares you.
5:35It's much more likely that there's an injury here or there, or the team falls out of contention and they start playing, you know, not quite as hard.
5:42And then that starts to look a lot more friendly than less friendly.
5:46So I, if, if somebody has a really friendly schedule, I still do look ahead of the schedule.
5:51That's a really relevant thing, but I'm looking for easy schedules.
5:54I'm not really paying that close attention to hard schedules.
5:57I mean, if it was something like they were facing Seattle twice between like weeks 15 and 17 and week 16 is the version of Houston.
6:04We expected them to be, yes, something like that.
6:07I might be scared off, but outside of that true extreme, like the Steelers in week 17 as the only one of
6:13those matchups that looks bad does not scare me.
6:15I'm not, I'm not worried about that right now as we sit here on November 3rd.
6:20So I just wanted to make that point about looking ahead at the end of season schedule.
6:24Um, but the rest of the schedule is really friendly.
6:27It looks pretty good for, for Carnell Tate. The question here has never been about Tate, at least for me, it's been
6:33about Cam Ward and it's been about this offense and Brian Dable.
6:36And if you believe that this was an elevation of Cam Ward in this game, I mean, he, he looked like maybe
6:42a guy who did deserve to be the number one pick.
6:45Like he played really well and the Bengals defense is not perfect.
6:49It's not entirely solved everything, but it is improved from where it was last year.
6:53This is not taking advantage in my opinion of a nothing burger defense.
6:57So if he really is taking a step forward, which maybe he's not, but you know, that momentum going into the bi-week,
7:03like that's got to feel so good for this offense in general.
7:06Then getting Tate back on top of it. And then you throw in just all the history of a wide receiver taken
7:12in the top 10 of the first round as a rookie in the second half of the season out of their by.
7:18It's just like, it is already a no brainer.
7:21This is a smart investment to make. And then you throw in, maybe this offense is ascending a little bit and the under the hood numbers for Tate.
7:28And the fact that he missed this big breakout game, like you already highlighted.
7:32And therefore you is maybe still a little bit more attainable than he would have been.
7:37He's wide receiver 27 and the consensus rest of season rankings.
7:40I'm like, I feel pretty good about him being like for these last four games before missing this week, where we obviously could have been even better.
7:47Why does he ever 11 wide receiver 99? You know, obviously a dud game there.
7:51The wide receiver 11 wide receiver 27. He's already beating this rest of season ranking basically.
7:56And now we have all these more excitement going forward.
7:58I think there's a lot of one for one trades you can make with Carnell Tate to get him.
8:04Jalen Coker. I think that one is an easy one that you could make the flip on.
8:08Coker did score a touchdown in his last game.
8:11But as we talked about on the quarterbacks to sell Panthers schedules, a lot tougher than Tennessee Titans schedule rest of season.
8:17And Coker has to work with T-Mac, you know, as the other alpha wide receiver on his office.
8:22Whereas Carnell Tate doesn't really have that much target competition in his offense.
8:26So I think that's a deal you could make if you're sick of these veteran receivers that are injured.
8:31A.J. Brown, Devontae Smith. You're just like, I was going to throw out Smith as a possibility.
8:35If you're just kind of done with trying to bank on these guys coming back, how effective they're going to be.
8:41Smith's coming back to a broken offense. Just the process says that buying in Tate at this point is a smart move to make.
8:48And go ahead. And I was just going to say, like, for me, it's worst case scenario.
8:53He just kind of finishes what he's been doing where he's fringe top 24 guy.
8:57And if you pay that price to get him, you're not feeling bad about it.
9:01Puts up a couple of spike weeks here and there.
9:04And OK, great. But there's a chance that in his 90th percentile, 95th percentile outcome that he goes on an absolute tear because he is so talented.
9:11I think he's also looked the part this year just watching him play all of these games.
9:16He's had this weird fumbling issue where he keeps fumbling the ball away.
9:19But besides that, I think that he's looked the part as a top five real life wide receiver that can be really productive, especially with favorable matchups.
9:27But what point were you going to make? I was going to throw three names your way that were all three different
9:33from names you just brought up that I think you can trade for Carnell Tate.
9:37One of them we talked about on the on the running backs version of the show, Cam Scadaboo.
9:42I would trade for Carnell Tate. I think that's doable.
9:45They're ranked in similar ranges. And I would do that before any sort of trade is made for to bolster the Giants backfield.
9:51So that's one couple of receivers. I think Michael Wilson, who's ranked about five spots higher in the rest of these rankings.
9:57That's a trade I would make. I would take the rankings, quote unquote, hit in terms of value and just swing for
10:03that upside of the Carnell Tate, which I believe in more.
10:06Obviously, quarterback questions continue in Arizona. I'm Michoania is not meant to last.
10:10Right. So I I would make that trade for sure.
10:13I think those are guys moving in different directions.
10:15And then the one I'm not sure on, but I wanted to throw out to gauge your interest.
10:20What do you think about Mike Evans for Carnell Tate?
10:23Because you mentioned some of these injured veteran receivers.
10:25He's the thought is that he's coming back here after the bye week that they just had last week.
10:31But he's 33 years old, been banged up a ton already this season.
10:34I don't love ever seeing parentheses Achilles next to a guy's name, especially a guy at his age, even if they're saying
10:40he'll be fine and coming back in this game.
10:43He's been awesome in this offense. I have loved watched.
10:46I have loved to watch him paired with Brock Purdy and Kyle Shanahan.
10:49It's not a knock on the player of Mike Evans.
10:52But is that a smart move? Again, he's ranked higher than Carnell Tate in the rest of these rankings.
10:57Are you maybe tapping into some of the upside with just a different type of risk that's less injury driven here going forward?
11:04What do you think about that one? That is a really great one to put me on the spot for, because this
11:10was one I struggled with in draft rankings where I had Carnell Tate and Mike Evans basically ranked back to back thinking,
11:16okay, Mike Evans will be the guy that will open up the season on a heater and then I'll sell him off to get Carnell Tate.
11:23So that was kind of my mindset heading into the season and the fact that it's kind of played out the way
11:29I thought it would where Mike Evans would come out really, really strong, be really, really effective, get banged up and maybe
11:35not be as productive down the stretch. Whereas Carnell Tate, man, he really has everything set for him to finish the season so, so strong.
11:42So this may feel really dumb, too, because he doesn't get to play this week and Mike Evans gets to play against the Raiders this week.
11:49So maybe you can just wait one more week because maybe there's a little bit of hesitance about Mike Evans getting his coming off the Achilles injury.
11:57Obviously, he has to get through this Raiders game.
11:59So maybe you can hold on one more week before you buy Carnell Tate just so you can get the Mike Evans
12:05game if you need his production this week. So that's probably the way I would approach it.
12:10But if the deal has to be done now, I would pull the trigger and just get Carnell Tate on my roster.
12:16Again, this is always tough, right? It's like you asked me, do you want to trade this receiver?
12:21It's like, no, I don't want to buy him for this guy, but you put him on his buy on the sheet, Erickson.
12:27So clearly you got to use something to buy this player.
12:30Another name that's actually ranked higher than him, not a player that's been dealing with injuries, but dealing with more underperformance.
12:36Do you just wipe your hands clean George Pickens and be like, dude, this guy.
12:40I feel like if I'm trading Pickens, I want to get Tate plus just based on name value.
12:45But I agree with making that move. I would definitely downgrade from Pickens to Tate if I can get anything else with him.
12:52Pickens' vibes right now are very, very bad. Did you see the video of him after the Cardinals kicked the overtime winner?
12:58Like someone was in like the, the back room of AT&T stadium and they're like filming the kick going on.
13:03And then they immediately pan to the inter concourse and George Pickens is just running out of the stadium.
13:09He was the first person to leave the game right after they lost.
13:12It's like sprinting out. So that's, uh, that's where it feels weird to you.
13:16This isn't points per game. This is total points that George Pickens is wide receiver 20 on the season.
13:21Like, I feel like it's, it feels emotionally like it's been worse than that.
13:25He has a lot of yardage. So he's whenever he does catch passes, I know I think it's actually coming off a
13:31season low in terms of his reception. I think only two catches in the last game, but the yardage has actually kind
13:37of been pretty strong because he's catches a lot of downfield passes.
13:41But the big blow up games haven't been there like they were last year when CD land missed time.
13:46And remember, this is a player that doesn't have a contract with the team.
13:50And Dallas continues to lose games to George Pickens decide, you know what?
13:53Yeah, I got a little knee this week. I don't know if I can.
13:57Yeah. And they're playing Flournoy a little bit more than him, which is also kind of a concern about his rest of season outlook.
14:04So Pickens is another player. I also considered about a wide receiver to sell based on the name brand.
14:09I know you brought him up a couple of weeks ago when you were way ahead of the game there when he was still right to the top.
14:17I've gotten so much wrong this year. I've been right.
14:20I was right about Pickens the draft season and I've been right about him in.
14:24Again, I only bring that up because I've been wrong about so much else.
14:28But Pickens was a call I got right. Dude, I called Chuba Hubbard to sell after like week one.
14:33Oh my God, dude. And for sure he has as many points per game as B.
14:37John Robinson does. So that's where we're at. My wide receiver to buy.
14:41I didn't have a strong one this week. Obviously, once I saw your Carnell Tate one, I really couldn't think of anybody I liked better.
14:48I consider Parker Washington. We've talked about him way too much on the show this season.
14:52I'm happy to buy low after the down game.
14:55I went with Luther Burden and this is really as it he has jumped five spots in the last week in the rest of his ranking.
15:02So that value is starting to not be quite as strong.
15:05This is basically based on two things. One is I still think he's right.
15:09It's a little too low wide receiver 16. I like I think we're seeing, you know, I don't want to say a
15:15breakout because we saw what he did to finish last season.
15:18But like the last three weeks in half PPR scoring, he's been wide receiver 16, wide receiver 6, wide receiver 10.
15:24So like it is coming along in a way that it wasn't early on in the year.
15:28You know, obviously there was quarterback stuff going on in the first part of the year and he had his own injury in August.
15:35So I'm not surprised by the slow start and he's looking more and more like the guy we want.
15:40You know, 8 for 95 three weeks ago, 4 for 130 and a touchdown last week and then 7 for 56 and a touchdown this week.
15:48He gets Tampa Bay this week who wants you to throw the ball.
15:51Then there's the buy. But again, we talked about this in the running back show.
15:55Erickson, the Bears schedule the rest of season is phenomenal.
15:58New Orleans, Detroit, Jacksonville, Miami, Buffalo, Green Bay, Detroit.
16:01That's how he ends the season. Detroit still getting more and more banged up on defense.
16:05And they've been bad already this year. Jacksonville wants you to throw instead of run.
16:09Miami is a bad defense. The Bills are a bad defense.
16:12Like Green Bay, maybe they get better by then with, with like a Parsons back, but they're not an elite defense.
16:18New Orleans, you've been able to throw on like, it's such a nice schedule that I just think he's still a little bit under, under ranked.
16:25And I look at the other names around him.
16:28He's back to back with Zay Flowers. With the quarterback situation in Baltimore, I would so much rather have with his crazy
16:34because last week we were on the show talking about the historic Zay Flowers.
16:38He's still an amazing player, but I mean, at a certain point, the quarterback situation is bad enough that it doesn't matter
16:44how good of a player you are. I'd much rather have burden than Zay Flowers.
16:48I'd rather burden than Garrett Wilson with all the mouths to feed in that offense.
16:52I'd rather burden than George Pickens. I'd rather burden than Ted Roe McMillan.
16:56You've laid out how difficult the Panther schedule is going forward.
16:59I'd rather burden than Matthew Golden because he's one of two elite receivers in that offense.
17:03And I know there's other mouths to feed in the Bears offense too, but you know, what weeks are going to be golden weeks versus Christian Watson weeks?
17:11You know, assuming Watson is healthy. I might trade straight up to get Luther burden right now just with the questions in the Vikings offense.
17:18So and coming off with a touchdown, I just think I would do that probably so like I just think he's a
17:24he's not crazy under ranked, but I do think he's under ranked and has an awesome schedule going forward.
17:29And that's enough for me to say even though his value his ranking is going up a lot in the last week.
17:35I still I don't think it's enough and I would trade for Luther burden right now.
17:39I think it was my buy a couple weeks ago before week five or week six when Caleb Williams was coming back for the Atlanta Falcons game.
17:47So I couldn't agree more Luther burden was one of the players I was lower on during draft season because I thought
17:53that the hype had just kind of gotten too high.
17:56Clearly the hype was just not wrong, right? Ben Johnson was telling us to buy stock of Luther burden and although it
18:02took a couple weeks to kind of get going as they dealt with some quarterback injuries Luther burden has been the most consistent his own injury, right?
18:09We can't forget that in August. He had his own groin issue like so I think it's totally reasonable that he started slow.
18:16Yeah, he's been the most consistent player in this offense all year long despite all of the different quarterbacks.
18:21So if you look at what he's done, he's one of four wide receivers at least three catches and 30 yards in
18:27each of their teams games this season one of five receivers to go over 17 points in each of their teams last three games.
18:34And this is him doing this without even running the full allotment of routes.
18:37He's just hyper targeted every single time he runs a route.
18:41He's super efficient. He's super explosive with the ball in his hands.
18:44He gets red zone opportunities and he plays on an offense that is an absolute juggernaut.
18:48So I agree man, and I think that you alluded to it.
18:52Tetrao McMillan a player that is ranked right near him viewed as his team's number one and Luther burden.
18:57I don't know if he's like viewed as the team's number one.
19:00I think it's pretty close between him and Loveland of who the actual leader and targets in the office that I have to double check.
19:07But at least in this past game, I think they both tied for the target share.
19:11I think that this is a really good call by you.
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21:24Tetheroa, McMillan, wide receiver for the Carolina Panthers. Talked about it on the quarterback to sell episode segment, where the Panthers' rest
21:31of the season schedule is one of the worst rest of the way for quarterbacks, which obviously has a trickle-down effect onto the wide receivers.
21:37T-Mac currently right now is wide receiver 18 in the most updated rest of season rankings.
21:42He has finished as a top 17 wide receiver one time this season.
21:45One weekly finish inside the top 17, and that was against the Detroit Lions in a game that Jalen Cobra did not play in.
21:52So, unfortunately, as big of a fan I am of T-Mac, I think that he's a super talented guy.
21:57I think that he has superstar potential. He's just being overvalued right now by the market based on one performance that was
22:03obviously elite, but it was in a pristine matchup against the worst defense in the NFL when he had every single target coming his way.
22:10We talked about it on the quarterback show again, week 16 and 17, Pittsburgh and Seattle.
22:15That is brutal for a wide receiver attached to Bryce Young.
22:18So, for me, I love the talent, love the player, but he's overvalued.
22:21And if you can trade him to get Luther Burden, you got to do it.
22:26We're now a year and a half into Tetheroa McMillan's career, and he has caught, he's had multiple games with multiple touchdowns,
22:32but he has only caught at least one touchdown in six games, and he has not missed any time with injury.
22:37It just has not had that touchdown usage that you would look at a player like him and think he should be
22:43a monster in the red zone and in the end zone, and it's just not the way that Carolina has used him
22:50quite yet or at least effectively used him and to the point of actually producing those touchdowns.
22:54And I don't know, I mean, last year it was a really slow start in terms of getting to the end zone,
23:00and is stronger in terms of that touchdown ability.
23:03Maybe we see something similar this year. I'm not convinced that's going to happen.
23:07I really, really like the player, and as a general rule, I don't like trading away players that I just really think
23:13are that talented and that good because I don't want to trade them away, and then all of a sudden the light
23:19bulb goes on for the quarterback or for the head coach, and they start getting used a little differently.
23:24And I thought, well, I knew he was a good player, and I missed out on this opportunity.
23:29But yeah, some of the names around him. Again, Luther Burden is one spot behind him in the rest of the season rankings.
23:35I make that trade easily, like one for one.
23:38Zay Flowers, obviously a little bit different story. He's two spots behind McMillan in an ECR now.
23:43Garrett Wilson as a swing, thinking he might get more usage eventually going forward.
23:47I don't know. I don't know that, like, besides Luther Burden, who to me is the obvious one, I don't know that there's an obvious.
23:53I would trade this player one for one. Maybe Matthew Golden.
23:56He's one spot ahead of him in the rest of season rankings.
24:00If you could do Ted Roa plus somebody small to get Parker Washington, I would do that.
24:04I'm not sure if that's doable or not. To me, I feel like the more obvious one would be him for a running back.
24:11And I'm not a Jenti. I was going to say, I'm not entirely sure the running back should be.
24:16You did talk about Jenti as the player to buy on the other show.
24:20I think Jenti makes sense. I think that gets done.
24:23I don't think that the Ashton Jenti manager hesitates.
24:25I think they're like, I want this guy off my roster.
24:29I think he's there two carries dead to me.
24:31Don't care how many fantasy points he scored. Two carries.
24:34I think we would definitely do something like, you know, for Swift or Bucky if you could.
24:38I don't know that you could. Tootin, I don't know that you could.
24:42We would definitely do that. Him for Chase Brown, I think is an interesting one.
24:46But yeah. Oli Gordon? Yeah, I was going to say Oli Gordon, like, is he enough value for just the talent of Ted Roa McMillan?
24:53I think maybe. I think maybe yes. I think that one to me is not an obvious do it no matter what.
24:59That's a, if you're a deep at receiver and really need a running back, then it's a yes.
25:04But if you don't have that type of need, I don't know if the value is so good that I'd definitely do
25:10it no matter what, if that distinction makes sense.
25:13Yeah, I agree. Because if you ask that question in like a dynasty context, it wouldn't mean like a conversation about you're like, are you serious?
25:20Yeah. No, we're not doing that. But like, re-drops like, well, I do need a running back.
25:25Like. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. My receiver to sell.
25:27I want to look a little bit lower. I felt like I did a, you know, I did a big name running
25:33back on that part of the show. You know, we talked about, uh, you know, some, some bigger names to buy.
25:39I wanted to look a little bit lower in the rankings for this one, which is why I'm highlighting Makai Lemon.
25:45This is sort of under the same umbrella as the Carnell Tate buy in terms of first round rookie receivers in the
25:51second half of the season tend to be really smart bets, almost regardless of the offensive environment, but I kind of am
25:57anticipating that the offensive environment in Philly is going to get even worse just based on morale.
26:02Like it, like this season is such a lost season.
26:05It's a year from hell for Philadelphia that I think even though he's had a little bit of a mini breakout in
26:11the last two weeks, he's had his two best games of the season.
26:14Uh, eight targets, seven catches, 67 yards and a touchdown two weeks ago, nine targets, six catches, 57 yards, no touchdown last week.
26:21I think there might be some managers out there who are saying, Hey, rookie receivers always hit in the second half.
26:27Let's go buy Makai Lemon now as you know, he's going to get, even if it's not a good offense, he's going
26:33to get targets at this point going forward, especially if Devante Smith continues to, you know, be have these injuries that why
26:39would he play through them if it's a lost season anyway?
26:42Um, and I just am worried about what this Eagles offense is going to look longterm.
26:46I have not been that impressed with Tanner McKee as, as much as I expected to be as you can for any backup quarterback.
26:53Makai Lemon is one of these guys who still has a buy to come.
26:57So, you know, you're getting a zero in a couple of weeks from him.
27:01It's not a particularly friendly schedule. I talked about earlier in the show that I'm not typically that afraid of schedules late
27:07in the season this far out because things can change.
27:09But if you're going to be afraid, it's probably with a fantasy playoff schedule that looks like his, which is Seattle Houston at San Francisco.
27:16So to me, like it's not a friendly schedule in the fantasy playoffs.
27:20I'm not convinced we're going to see this rookie second half breakout.
27:23Like we often do with first rounders. He has a bye week to come.
27:27The offensive environment is bad. It's only been really two weeks that he started to quote unquote break out.
27:32He hasn't had like that, a big, huge, you know, game.
27:35He hasn't, it doesn't have 70 yards in a game yet this season.
27:39So I think that this is less, and he's not, he's ranked as like wide receiver 40.
27:44So this isn't saying you're going to go out and get a haul.
27:47But I think if you add him into another trade, he's a type of piece that gets something done that I don't
27:53think you're going to regret adding in. If you're, as long as you're getting the best player in the deal, I don't
27:59think he's going to come back and burn you the way you might be scared of rookie receivers doing.
28:05And it's kind of funny because he's ranked in this stretch in the rest of season rankings.
28:09It literally goes, uh, Casey Concepcion, Jeremy Bernard, Omar Cooper, Jordan Tyson, Makai Levin.
28:13So it's all these rookies right in a row, uh, in ECR Denzel Boston only two spots ahead of those guys.
28:19So they're all, they're all clumped together. And, uh, I just, I worry about people being a little overly bullish on Makai Levin.
28:25I think you throw them into a trade and get it done and you don't regret it.
28:30Yeah. I think that he's a good sweetener in terms of making a deal.
28:34I know I actually treated for a lemon sweetener, a lemon sweetener, which again, we're both battling colds right now.
28:40We could really use a lemon sweetener and some tea would be actually excellent.
28:43So maybe you should trade for Makai Levin instead of trading away like a worm is suggesting here, but I actually did
28:49acquire him in a trade last week, but it was just more of a throw in piece, right?
28:54I think that's kind of how he's viewed. So if you're trying to make a deal, kind of get over the finish
29:01line here, let me add Makai Levin in. Again, I'm where he's ranked.
29:04It's not a, you got to just get this guy off your roster.
29:08He's totally useless. Like, no, I don't really see it that way.
29:11And again, this wide receiver conglomerate that you were talking about, one of these guys is probably going to break out and
29:17kind of like break out of this purgatory in the second half of the season.
29:21Like we do see now that could be lemon could also be conception.
29:25It could be Denzel Basta or it could be any of these guys, Jeremy Bernard, Antonio Williams.
29:30So there's a lot of names that are going to be thrown around here.
29:33So obviously there's appeal with rookie wide receivers. So I think that makes a lot of sense.
29:38If you're curious, the trade I made was I traded away James Cook and Tedaroa, who obviously was my cell receiver here
29:44for Makai Lemon, Brian Robinson and Bijon Robinson. So that's a deal.
29:47I do got to Bijon. I was really concerned for you.
29:51You saved the vest for last there. I was like, I got Brian Robinson and Makai Lemon.
29:55Yeah. I was like, dude, are you all right?
29:58Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's an interesting one. Yeah. All right, Erickson.
30:01You had a quarterback to sell earlier in our show.
30:04How about a tight end to buy? I'm going to buy an Indianapolis Colts player.
30:08Tight end, Tyler Warren. Bold move. Bold move, Cotton.
30:10We'll see how it shakes out. For me, Warren right now is viewed very, very low in the rest season rankings.
30:16He is tight end 10, despite the fact that he is tight end six in points per game this season.
30:21So I think that he's already outproduced where he's being ranked.
30:25I get why he's being ranked this low because he plays on the Colts.
30:28They're a disaster franchise. They're bottoming out. But you know who's not moving from this team?
30:33It's Tyler Warren, right? Like they're talking about training everybody, but Tyler Warren as their second year tight end, he could be
30:39the focal point of this offense rest of season as Shane Steichen tries to save his job.
30:44So last week he came back from his two week absence from the groin injury.
30:48Did not perform well. He only had four catches for 18 yards, but he had 10 targets, 32% target share.
30:53He didn't even play a full compliment of snaps 72%, which was down from his 94% snap rate in week five.
30:59So clearly he was also limited. It was also a blowout game.
31:02So he probably wasn't playing a ton in the second half with the Colts getting absolutely annihilated by the Jacksonville Jaguars.
31:08So that's why I think he's like a sharp by low, right?
31:12Everyone just wants to get rid of Colts players, but I'm looking at how this offense is going to perform rest of season.
31:18They trade away Josh down the trade away Keenan.
31:20Now they trade away Jonathan Taylor. Then do like Tyler Warren's going to see like double digit targets every single week.
31:26We see going to be efficient. I think he can at least bounce back from just catching four passes of 10 targets.
31:32This is where Daniel Jones is going to go with the football to Tyler Warren.
31:36It's not just last week that he had a lot of volume.
31:40He has nine plus targets in three of his last four games played.
31:43And who's he got coming up? Dallas Cowboys, Miami Dolphins, two of the worst defenses in the NFL.
31:48And who does he play in week 16? The Cincinnati Bengals.
31:51The worst defense against guarding tight ends, if not for the Detroit Lions.
31:55So this one to me again, taking it a play out of your playbook worm dude, tight intent is too low for
32:01Tyler Warren, who we view it as one of these quote unquote elite or making the jump into elite tight end territory.
32:07We've seen this before. Even if you were the only show in town as a pass catcher and you play tight end,
32:13even attached to bad quarterback play volume can get you there.
32:16And everything suggests to me that the Colts are going to be trailing in games and they're going to be passing the ball a ton.
32:23One, if injury withstanding with this groin thing, as long as Tyler Warren's healthy, he's easily going to outproduce top 10 or
32:29out outproduce tight end 10 the rest of season, in my opinion.
32:33So I think that you need a tight end rest of the way.
32:36You've been streaming guys. You can put a sizable offer to get Tyler Warren because I think that people just want to
32:42get rid of a Colts player, even though he's not been the problem for this offense.
32:47This one, it's harder for me to get there.
32:49I think you make a really compelling case and I could see this going in either direction, but like I get really nervous.
32:55Tight end as a position is unless you're talking about Trey McBride or Brock Bowers or Colson Loveland.
33:00It's a position where we tend to be chasing touchdowns, right?
33:03If you don't get a touchdown as a tight end, it's hard to have a really impactful day.
33:08And I understand that maybe relative to other tight ends, he can be productive and you have to start somebody.
33:14But what wins in fantasy football, Erickson? It's these big blow up weeks, right?
33:18Whatever position you're at. Having bad games isn't really that important.
33:21The floor is less important in fantasy than the ceiling week to week.
33:24And Tyler Warren has been higher than tight end 10 in half PPR scoring one time all year.
33:29He was tight end four in week five against the Steelers.
33:32Besides that, he's been tight end 14, tight end 10, tight end 13, tight end 22, tight end 29.
33:38Obviously that 29 is coming off the injury. I'm not holding that against him.
33:42I totally get that there is a level of floor with him that in the course of an entire season will make
33:48his overall season ranking at tight end look pretty good.
33:50But if that week to week upside isn't there, and I worry that it will be without the possibility of more touchdown
33:57scoring, which man, if they get rid of Jonathan Taylor, how are they going to get to the red zone to score touchdowns?
34:03I'm so nervous about this offense that if the touchdowns aren't there, I just don't know that the volume is going to
34:09be enough to do anything other than give you a floor at tight end, which like is probably smart process, but I'm
34:15not sure how valuable that really is in terms of winning your matchups week to week or in terms of winning your league this season.
34:22So I get nervous about the ceiling here, just given the offense, even if the volume ends up being kind of ridiculous,
34:28which I think you totally make a good case for why it could be.
34:32Right next to him in the rest season rankings, Rashad White and Almarion Hampton.
34:36I mean, that's, that's what you can get with Tyler Warren.
34:39That's my point. It's, you don't have to give up a lot to get a tight end that maybe doesn't have the
34:45ceiling, but dude, if he's on, if he's the number one tight end on your way of why you're immediately adding him, are you not?
34:52So for me, it's like, even if you're viewing him as like kind of like a streaming tight end through this lens,
34:58dude, he's going to see a ton of volume rest of the way, double digit target.
35:02He's nine plus target in the three of his last four games.
35:06Why is that going to change? And he also gets rushing opportunities.
35:09He gets goal line opportunities. So in the essence that the Colts do actually get to the red zone, like he's going to get the opportunity to score.
35:17I feel very strongly about that. So I'm also, again, we talked about team act of the talent.
35:22I'm a believer in Tyler Warren, the talent. Oh, totally.
35:24I agree with that. Yeah, for sure. Like this guy is a top five dynasty tight end.
35:29So I think that again, I'm pushing back. I'm buying Tyler Warren, especially if I can get him with Rashad White or Marion.
35:35I mean, dude, these are the guys right in front of him.
35:39Chris Godwin, Xavier Worthy, Travis HN. I think for me that the path for Warren is more like it's like, oh, I'll
35:45give you, you know, Kraft and RB 20 and you give me Tyler Warren and RB 16.
35:50Right. It's like it's part of a two for two, not even like a two for one.
35:54I think he's part of a two for two where you're taking the worst tight end to get the better receiver or running back or whatever it is.
36:02But you don't think he's that much worse of a tight end.
36:05I don't see a lot of one for ones for Tyler Warren that I'm a big fan of.
36:10Do you trade Lennon plus insert tight end streamer for Tyler Warren?
36:14Yeah, that one I could get to. It depends on who the tight end streamer is, but that one I could get to.
36:20Someone, Mike Gusecki. Yes, that one I could get on board with.
36:23I would, as long as you don't really desperately need the receiver you're getting rid of.
36:28Yeah, I think Lennon plus a Gusecki type I have a baby on board with.
36:32Let's do some bicycle hold trios here, Erickson, before we get out of here.
36:36A wide receiver, Rasheed Rice, George Pickens, who we talked about earlier, Jameson Williams.
36:40Again, Rasheed Rice, George Pickens, Jameson Williams. So we talked about selling George Pickens.
36:43I think that's still the right move, even though the production has not been there.
36:48I think that the name brand Cache is still kind of holding his value.
36:52And just looking at the rest of the season rankings, I think that he's actually ranked highest between these three players.
36:57I'm just double checking right now to make sure that that is accurate.
37:01Because they're all probably ranked around the same range.
37:03I know you like to put these guys together that are in the same range.
37:08Yeah, he is. Where is he? Oh, he's actually, yeah, he's two spots ahead of Jameson and then four spots ahead of Rasheed Rice.
37:14So it goes Pickens, Williams, Rasheed Rice in the rest of season rankings.
37:18He would be my sell. My buy. Rice and J-Mo are tough.
37:21Yeah. Because J-Mo has obviously been on an absolute heater the last couple games.
37:25And that tends to be the situation where you don't want to buy him.
37:29No, you don't want to buy him while the stock is really, really high.
37:33So I think he's probably the hold. I guess Rasheed Rice would be like the buy then because there's.
37:38I think that he's the buy. And as I'm kind of like thought thinking about this, right?
37:43I'm even hesitant to say that because I don't want to buy Rasheed Rice.
37:47But dude, he came back, immediately stepped in and was the number one wide receiver for the Kansas City Chiefs.
37:52Xavier Worthy is doing absolutely nothing on this offense.
37:55Travis Kelsey is playing through a high ankle sprain.
37:57He's not 100%. So as long as Rasheed Rice is on the field, he's the de facto number one receiver.
38:03I don't love buying Rice, but he is my buy of these three.
38:06I think that's exactly the way you have to look at the situation where I was kind of shocked how low he was in the week nine rankings.
38:14But not also shocked at the same time because he has been one of the most unreliable guys, especially coming off of injuries.
38:20But he came in, caught a touchdown, should have caught two touchdowns.
38:24They love going to him in the red zone.
38:26And if this Kenneth Walker struggle continues over the next couple of games, if they can't get the run game going, then
38:32Rice kind of went back to his PPR underneath merchant tendencies in this last game against the Broncos.
38:37And if that continues, he's going to be closer to a top 15 receiver than where he is ranked now as wide receiver 23.
38:44So yeah, hold JMO, buy Rice, and then sell George Pickens.
38:47I think I could be convinced on holding Pickens and selling JMO.
38:50I would kind of want to sell both of them, to be perfectly honest.
38:54But I think I agree with you ultimately where you landed, which is buy Rice, hold JMO, and sell Pickens.
38:59The other trio I have for you, how about Ladd McConkie, Roma Dunze, and Jordan Tyson?
39:04I thought these were three really interesting names. I don't know if you're going to find this to be particularly easy or not.
39:10Sometimes I think I have a tough one for you, and then you say this is easy.
39:15Sometimes it's the reverse. But Ladd McConkie, obviously the Chargers coming out of their buy.
39:19He has not been good this season. Nobody on this offense has been good this season.
39:24He did lead the team in receiving four catches, 86 yards.
39:27He was so banged up for so much of the first part of the year before the buy.
39:32I wonder if as he gets healthy, maybe there's a little bit more of at least a yardage floor going forward.
39:37Obviously he doesn't have a touchdown since week one.
39:40So an interesting game for Ladd McConkie. He's wide receiver 32 in the rankings.
39:44Roma Dunze, wide receiver 35. Kind of a similar game to Ladd McConkie.
39:47Kind of a similar season, like not with the injury stuff and the overall offense.
39:51You know, underperforming. But, you know, he had four for 87 in this game.
39:55You know, has been underperforming relative to what we believe the talent to be.
39:59So kind of coming off of two similar weeks for them.
40:02They're ranked really close to each other. And then Jordan Tyson, I just wanted to throw in as a total wild card because we think he's really talented.
40:10He has not played, obviously. Could practice Wednesday. Saints have not determined that status yet.
40:14It's the last update I'm seeing on his player card at FantasyPros.com.
40:17Obviously, like we don't know what it will look like.
40:20But he is talented enough that if he comes back fully healthy, he could be really good in the second half of the season.
40:27Maybe you want to sell on that enthusiasm right now.
40:30Maybe you want to buy because we haven't seen him and think it's maybe one of your last buying opportunities.
40:35I don't know how you see it. So again, I kind of gave you a very long-winded preface there to give you
40:41time to think about it because I'm really curious about this one.
40:45Ladd McConkie, Roma Dunze, Jordan Tyson, buy, sell, and hold.
40:47Ladd is definitely the sell. Easy. Easy sell. So you just mentioned how good his box score was.
40:5254 of those yards came on a Hail Mary at the end of the first half of the game.
40:57And somehow the Chargers, because in typical Charger fashion, they complete a Hail Mary and don't get any points on it.
41:03Because that's just how the Chargers operate in the year 2026.
41:06So he is the sell. Do not buy any of that box score.
41:10It is Fugazi, fake. Get rid of it. Get them off your roster.
41:14You don't want Chargers. There's no hope for this team.
41:16Roma Dunze, I feel like, is kind of the low-key buy.
41:19Because he's played on back-to-back primetime games. And I think that, at least in the second half of the Patriots game and
41:25then last night, this dude can make a lot of plays, man.
41:29And I know that he's under fire because a lot of times he doesn't end up making the big splash time play.
41:35And everyone just talks about the drops and the end zone.
41:38But Bears, man, are a wagon, dude. I want as many parts of this team as I can get.
41:43And when you can get one of Caleb Williams' receivers that runs the most routes on the team, that has red zone
41:49equity, that they use downfield a ton. Caleb Williams missed him deep last night.
41:53If they had connected, this box score would look so much better.
41:56That's the problem. They don't give them the easy plays.
41:59They give them the hard plays so it's easier to miss.
42:02If they use him differently, Roma Dunze will be one of my favorite buys in all of fantasy football right now.
42:08I just wish they used him a little more friendly the way they use Luther Burden.
42:12Right. And he's always going to be an unethical battle when it comes to volume.
42:17But splash plays, big, weak-winning performances, I think, are still within the range of outcomes for Roma Dunze.
42:22Whereas Lad, dude, it's like, dude, it took us a Hail Mary to get over 50 receiving yards for this guy.
42:27Like, there's no easy outs for Lad McConkie. Whereas Lad, Dunze has a good quarterback and he's playing well.
42:33So, I will buy Roma Dunze because I just don't think that he's being priced.
42:37I have him straight up over Lad McConkie in my rest season rankings.
42:40I have a Dunze at 32 and Lad at 35.
42:43They're basically flipped in ECR. Actually, they are exactly flipped in ECR.
42:46So, I would just take Rome straight up over Lad at this point.
42:50And then Tyson, which should be my hold, right?
42:52I want to see this play out, dude. I just want to see this guy on the field.
42:57And it's interesting. I didn't look at these odds.
43:00And maybe something we should talk about in the tailgate next week.
43:03But who should win Offensive Rookie of the Year?
43:06Because it feels like nobody has really taken the bull by the horns and run away.
43:10I mean, Fernando Mendoza has not even played yet.
43:13So, he was one of the guys that we looked at.
43:16Jeremiah Love has injured his third ankle. He was the other guy that was heavily favored.
43:20Cardinal Tate is probably up there. All the receivers have kind of had their moments, right?
43:25While Boston was leading the pack. I feel like Boston should be leading right now.
43:29But then Concepcion also had a big game two weeks ago when Boston kind of fell to the wayside.
43:34And then does Jonah Coleman now make a run at it as a running back with a favorable schedule rest of the way?
43:40Who do you think is the favorite? Dude, Tate?
43:43That's what I would say. He's the favorite. But I do not feel strong.
43:47The reason I bring this up is because if Tyson were to come back and just go on an absolute heater on
43:53a per-game basis, he could win the award. But, like, just because no one, in my opinion, has been so dominant and
43:59so good that they should win it instead of Jordan Tyson.
44:02There's a very clear top four in the consensus odds on bettingpros.com right now.
44:06It's – I'll go from four to one. Number four is Casey Concepcion at plus 650.
44:10Number three is Denzel Boston at plus 600. So they're basically tied.
44:13Number two is actually Jonah Coleman plus 550. So that is very much just betting on what we saw this week is
44:20real and that's what's going to happen going forward.
44:22And number one is Cardinal Tate at plus 350.
44:25So there's a little bit of a gap. Plus 350, Cardinal Tate.
44:28Plus 550, Jonah Coleman. And then the two rounds guys at plus 600, plus 650.
44:32But everybody else is like plus 1,200, plus 1,600, plus 1,800.
44:35What's Tyson? What's that? What's Tyson at? Plus 4,000.
44:38That's what I mean because right now the market is suggesting that they really don't know who's going to win this award.
44:44And if Tyson comes in his first game back, let's just say 100 yards, two touchdowns, dude, those odds are going to flip on its head.
44:51And he'll be right in that conversation of the top five guys because how quickly did Jonah Coleman's odds move, right?
44:57Yeah. Two weeks ago this was probably like, yeah, he's plus 8,000 to win this award now.
45:01He's plus 550. I do feel like – I feel like the Browns guys are going to cannibalize each other and it's really Tate and Coleman right now.
45:09And Coleman like could easily get kind of tripped up by just the Broncos of it all and them – RGRV being on IR does help his case.
45:17But I feel like Tate even as the favorite is – like he's the correct favorite I guess is what I would say.
45:23I don't know if he's the right bet, but he's the correct favorite I think right now.
45:28But I think it's a good point by you on Tyson.
45:31Yeah. All right. We'll go ahead and wrap things up there.
45:34Thanks everybody for checking out our buys and sells for the wide receivers and tight ends.
45:38If you miss quarterbacks and running backs, please go check out that episode as well.
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