0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. What's up friends and welcome into Fantasy Pros.
0:04Welcome into Week 9. I'm Chris Welsh, we've got Pat Fitzmaurice, Andrew Erickson, and we are talking ranks.
0:10A rank series coming up here today. We are going to be going through the top 36 running backs for Week 9.
0:16Everything in between starts, sits, where the ranks are at, and we're going to be using Fantasy Pros ECR ranks.
0:22So make sure you go and check it out.
0:25FantasyPros.com slash NFL slash rankings. And you can follow along with the half PPR ranks we've got going on here.
0:31You can check out all the different formats for your ranks.
0:34Your leagues. That's what we'll be referencing as we go through all of this in a low-by-week week, which is kind of nice fitzy.
0:41Only two teams on by. Not that running backs are robust or anything, but, you know, clarity is out there as long
0:48as you're not looking at, like, you know, the Seahawks running back situation.
0:52And then we're also looking on the precipice of the trade deadline if anything is going to happen, but not much of an effect necessarily there.
1:00Pretty chalky as I kind of just do the quick scan of what the ranks are looking like this week for RB.
1:06Yeah, Week 9. A little easier to navigate waivers this week with only two teams on by, and you were talking about the precipice.
1:13Week 9. How do we get so far so fast?
1:16It does feel like we're at the top of the roller coaster, and we are, you know, getting ready to throw our arms in the air.
1:24And the last part of it, the downhill drop is going to be fast from here on in, so buckle up.
1:30Yeah, I forget, like, how close we already are, Erickson, to, like, playoff runs, and preparation is becoming even more key.
1:37I mean, so much so, you know, I know, you know, you were a driving force behind the scenes of, like, we
1:43are going to be turning to a lot of, like, playoff content moving up here pretty soon.
1:48And, like, making sure our focuses are, like, getting people prepared for what matchups and waivers and stuff are going to look like into the playoff run.
1:56Like, we're almost there, dude. Yeah, I know it's an 18-week regular season for the real NFL, but we're way past the
2:03halfway point of the fantasy regular season and the fantasy season overall.
2:06So, yeah, you got to buckle up. You got to get ready because the grind has just begun, right?
2:12It doesn't get easier from here on out. It gets tougher, especially because we have the holidays coming up, just more distractions.
2:19And if you want to win your fantasy championship, you got to sometimes say, hey, sorry, kids, can't open presents.
2:25Got to focus on getting my lineup set. So it's a tough life, but that's how you win.
2:30That's how you win. Tough life of a pretend NFL manager.
2:33Sorry, guys. Not going to be available for this week.
2:36You guys are going to have to spend Thanksgiving without me.
2:39I got important roster construction to do. Yeah, I mean, hey, playoff.
2:43It's serious business, right? Serious business. And we're going to get serious about it here.
2:47We're going to go through the top 36. We'll be looking at the big board.
2:52Do want to give some shout-outs, as we always do.
2:55Look at the ranks contest. Every single week, as we are talking, ECR is powered.
2:59I mean, it's powered by all of our great experts.
3:02But then it is turned into our ranks contest, where every single week we are individually ranking who is the most accurate.
3:09And then we've got like the season total. The season total, that's kind of a big dog, you know, that is celebrated at the end of the year.
3:17But every single week, we like to give shout-outs on this show for what the top three look like.
3:23And this week, Brad Beetson from Bandit Football, number one, baby.
3:26Getting that top spot. Sean Corner from the Action Network with number two.
3:30And Nick Mariano from Rotoballer. Those are your top three most accurate rankers out there.
3:35Not any other big shout-outs. I think Mayer finished pretty well, around like 26.
3:39I was top 50. I think you were like top 35 in that general vicinity.
3:43It was an okay week. It wasn't anything super special.
3:46I mean, shout-out to Brad, Sean, and Nick. Those guys are the gangsters for week eight.
3:51They're really ranked really well. But no big shout-outs for us.
3:54But that's what the accuracy looks like. If you guys want to go and check it out, you can find it.
4:00You can just type in Fantasy Pros, Fantasy Football Accuracy.
4:03And you can see each week. And then you can see what the total looks like as that race is going to
4:10heat on as the season moves for the total, the big accuracy season-long contest.
4:14All right. That's over. Again, fantasypros.com slash NFL slash rankings to follow along.
4:18Gentlemen, let's look at the big board for the week.
4:21Our top 36 and our top 12 for 1 through 12 at RB.
4:25We've got Jameer Gibbs with the top spot going up against the Dolphins.
4:29Ken Walker at 2. B. John Robinson at 3.
4:31McCaffrey at 4. Javante Williams at 5. And Chuba at 6.
4:35The bottom half here, Kyron Williams, Bucky Irving, James Cook, DeAndre Swift, Faisal Tootin, Josh Jacobs.
4:40Pretty jock, friends. Those are guys you're not going to give much thought about.
4:44One interesting note is you guys have kind of a bigger gap between Bucky Irving.
4:48Bucky Irving coming off of just, you know, I mean, the whole Bucs running back situation.
4:53Just a wildly, you know, crazy no completion game all running.
4:56He comes in at ECR 8 going up against the Bears, which is graded a four-star matchup on Fantasy Pros matchup grades.
5:03But you guys are kind of split. Fitzy, you've got him at 7, a little bit higher than ECR.
5:08But, Erickson, let's start with you because you're not the negative Nancy, but you have him towing almost outside of an RB1.
5:15You have him at RB11. So, what's bringing you off of ECR for Bucky this week?
5:20I have two main reasons. And that's because, number one, the Buccaneers are going to have to throw a little bit more.
5:26Well, you think that. But look, when the other offense can actually score on your defense, I think that's the scenario.
5:33I mean, last week it was the rainy, wet conditions that really drove the run game for the Buccaneers.
5:38It's how you win a game when you don't complete a single pass.
5:42And then the week before that, it was Carolina Panthers run defense couldn't stop anybody.
5:47So, I know the Bears on paper, season-long, look like a layup matchup for defenses.
5:51But this Jeffrey Simmons impact needs to be highlighted because he made all the difference in the world when they took on
5:58the Seattle Seahawks on Monday Night Football on the road.
6:01On the eight plays that Simmons was off the field, this is according to NextGenStats, Bears allowed 13.3 yards per play, 63% success rate, 37.5% explosive play rate.
6:09When he was on the field, they allowed just three yards per play.
6:13So, that includes rushes and pass attempts, 25% success rate.
6:16He recorded five tackles for loss, 48 of the 56 defensive snaps.
6:19So, when he's on the field, like this Bears defense is not a pushover unit like it's been most of the season.
6:26And if anything, I think that their secondary is their weakest part.
6:29I mean, Jalen Johnson, dude, that guy, he can't cover or remove anymore based on the injuries that he's dealt with.
6:36So, that's just why I'm a little bit lower on Bucky just trying to bake in some of this regression in terms
6:42of the raw amount of rushing attempts that he's gotten in the last two weeks.
6:47Again, this isn't really, oh, I expect Kenneth Gainwell to eat into Bucky's workload.
6:51Gainwell's obviously benefited, I think, the most from these run-heavy approaches the last two games because he's got a ton of work
6:58in the second halves of these matchups. But that's just why, a little bit lower, still top 12 running back for me.
7:04But that's why. I was trying to look, by the way.
7:07I was putting all the search engines to a test to see if I could get it confirmed.
7:13I just don't feel confident with it. But I was trying to look, has there ever been a quarterback that's had less
7:19completions than Baker Mayfield over a two-full game span in NFL history?
7:23I couldn't realize. The results popped up saying Baker, but that might be a recency thing.
7:28But seven completions over playing two full games has to be one of the lower markers out there.
7:33I mean, Max Brosmer didn't do it last year?
7:36I feel like he might be. I feel like he might have done that last year.
7:40Over a two-game span? I know he didn't complete any passes on Christmas.
7:44I know that. I'm looking real quick. He had that game against Seattle last year where he threw for like 27 yards or whatever.
7:51Yeah, they threw more interceptions than he had the completions.
7:54Nah, sons. You guys are wrong. Look at this.
7:57He had, in playing two back-to-back full games, he had 19 completions, 7, 9, and 7.
8:02Nothing is exciting there, but one game was the amount that Baker Mayfield put up.
8:06Three games with under 10 completions is pretty noteworthy.
8:09I mean, it's all noteworthy with how bad we're looking.
8:12I mean, I think he had two games of seven completions is not something to be excited about, but Baker, historically bad.
8:19All right. Fitzy, anything on Bucky Irving? You're like slightly higher than consensus at 7.
8:23And I'm not sure how the Bucs, like they don't have a comfort level with Baker Mayfield.
8:28Obviously, with weather conditions, maybe they can actually pass the ball a bit.
8:32But I just, I'm not sure I see a story where you go away from Bucky Irving at this point, unless he's just breaking down.
8:39So that's why I'm kind of with you on like high rankings of Bucky.
8:44Yeah. Oh, ye of little faith, Erickson. I mean, Bucky is fourth in the NFL in rushing behind only Jameer Gibbs, B.
8:50John Robinson, and Kenneth Walker. And the Buccaneers have 143 more rushing yards than any other team in the NFL.
8:56They're averaging 5.1 yards per attempt, which is tops in the NFL.
9:00Only the Chiefs, they're the only other team averaging above five yards per carry.
9:04Um, Bucky himself averaging five yards per carry. I know this has been skewed by their extreme run heaviness the last two
9:10weeks, but the Buccaneers, I think, are happy to run the ball, play really good defense, and maybe put the hands in,
9:17put the game in Baker Mayfield's hands a little less than they have in the past.
9:22I do wish Bucky was more involved as a pass catcher.
9:25He's had 11 receptions, uh, or did have 11 receptions in the Bucs' first two games.
9:30Only seven receptions in their last six. But I'm not really scared of this matchup.
9:34I mean, yeah, Jeffrey Simmons, he absolutely helps this defense, but when Jeffrey Simmons was on the Titans, that was not a
9:41matchup anyone was fearing with running backs. So, yeah, I'm just continuing to play Bucky Irving and feeling great about it.
9:47Yeah, it's pretty chalky overall. Like I said, RB1s, I don't think there's any big questions.
9:52Not that you even have the ability to not start one of these guys.
9:56So I don't think there's a whole bunch more we need to tackle on these.
10:00There was just a slight difference there. We're going to get into the RB2s, more conversation around those.
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10:35All right, getting this next big board up here, 13 through 24 at running backs.
10:40We've got Chase Brown at 13, followed by Jonathan Taylor, Ramondre Stevenson, Jonah Coleman popping up at 16, Derrick Henry, Saquon Barkley,
10:46the back half, Quinchon Judkins at 19, Cam Scadaboo, Ashton Gentry, Ollie Gordon, Tyler Algier, and Braylon Allen.
10:52So those are going to be some conversations we're going to be able to have in this grouping here.
10:57So let's start with Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry moves down to 17.
11:01It is a bad matchup against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
11:04And they have, I mean, the worst quarterback situation you could have.
11:07I'm trying to think of like, if there's a way to properly, it's not good.
11:12Like nothing about the quarterback situation is good. And that obviously is going to lead to an already tough defensive matchup that
11:18is probably going to stack the box and say, sure, try to beat us.
11:22So Derrick Henry at 17. You guys are in the general vicinity.
11:26Phytosy, why don't you kick us off? You're at 17.
11:29Erickson, you're at 19. Should we have more hesitation?
11:32Or is the reality we just, you know, this stinks for Derrick Henry owners.
11:36We really don't have the luxuries where Derrick Henry wouldn't be an option, even though we got to all agree like this
11:42is every bit of this is less than ideal.
11:45I feel like I should probably have more hesitation.
11:48And it is a strange feeling to look at a ranking of Derrick Henry at RB 17 and worry that you're way too high on him.
11:56But the Jaguars have given up the fewest rushing yards in the league.
11:59Derrick Henry has one touchdown run in his last four games.
12:03And with Joe Feniano at quarterback, what are the odds that Derrick Henry gets into the end zone?
12:08Like 50-50 at best? You do have to figure, though, that Derrick Henry is going to get a lot of work.
12:14The per carry average could look pretty ugly in this game.
12:18But I would think he's getting 20 plus carries unless the Jaguars get blown out and they pull him early.
12:24What's the odds? Unless the Jaguars blow out the Ravens.
12:27What do you think the odds are he gets in the red zone?
12:30Like the Ravens get in the red zone. Yeah, that's it.
12:34That's, I think, the worry. I think that's the big worry.
12:37So Erickson, you do have a little bit more hesitation.
12:40You've got him at RB19. You haven't pushed him outside the top 20.
12:44Not that there's like, you know, a lot that we can do here.
12:48But where does your hesitation lie in the same vein of what we're talking about?
12:52Should we even be a little bit more worried than what we're sharing?
12:56Well, the thing with Derrick Henry is he hasn't been the same guy.
13:00He's shown signs of the age cliff a little bit.
13:03And I think it's not all his fault. The environmental factors around him.
13:07The offensive line for the Ravens has been really bad this year.
13:10They've been battered with a ton of injuries, especially on their interior.
13:14That's why they had to trade a future second round pick to get Cam Juergens.
13:18They just lost their starting quarterback, Lamar Jackson. They lost their backup quarterback, Stu Puntley.
13:23And we were already seeing the impact of losing Lamar Jackson.
13:26Derrick Henry this year, 3.5 yards per carry without Lamar Jackson, 4.5 yards per carry with Lamar Jackson.
13:31So not having that mobile element under center is a big deal and a big loss for Derrick Henry, who's been hit
13:38behind the line of scrimmage or at the line of scrimmage on 60% of his carry since week six, which is the highest rate in the NFL.
13:46And he's not generating as much yards after contact like he has done in previous years.
13:51Fewest yards after contact in a season 2.6 since 2018.
13:54It's the first time he's been under this number under three yards after contact per carry since 2018.
13:59So teams are stuffing Derrick Henry at a much higher rate.
14:02I do think that the volume play is still the angle that you're looking at.
14:07I don't think that you can afford to still bench Derrick Henry because the one silver lining here with the Baltimore Ravens,
14:13in my opinion, just looking at this from like a larger scope, they are playing at home.
14:19If you're Jesse Minter and you're game planning for this matchup, you have a undrafted rookie quarterback making his first start on Thursday night on a short week.
14:27How do you simplify the game plan? You give the ball to Derrick Henry 30 times.
14:32You play defense. Jesse Minter, you are a defensive minded head coach.
14:35Your defense has to show up and keep you in this game.
14:39You have the home field advantage. Theoretically speaking, the Jaguars are not the same type of team on the road that they are at home.
14:46Like they are an absolute unit. They destroy teams every time they play them in Duval.
14:51But this is only their third true road game that they played this season.
14:55And Trevor Lawrence, as good as he's been this year, he does have a little bit of the Sam Darnold turnover worthy
15:02thing going on where he does do a lot of dumb things.
15:05Sometimes you're pulling your hair out thinking, dude, what are you doing?
15:09So that's how you could get like a cheap red zone opportunity for Derrick Henry to find the end zone.
15:15And then the last point to make about this gaunted Jaguars defense against the run, they lost Devon Hamilton this past week.
15:21Their defensive tackle cannot tell you how big a loss that is.
15:25Here's what it's looked like when he has missed time so far this season when he's not been on the field, the
15:32Jaguars have allowed 6.9 yards per play when he has not been on the field over three yards more than their average
15:38with him on the field yards per carry 3.8 when he's on the field, 8.8 yards per attempt without Hamilton.
15:44So like he matters so significantly in plugging up the run.
15:47And if you were Jesse Minter, if you're Declan Doyle, you're going to look at that and say, okay, this is the
15:54only way this is our path to victory. It has to be Derrick Henry carrying the ball 30 times, breaking more tackles
16:00and taking advantage of a defense that lost one of its best nose tackles.
16:05So again, I say that all while also being lower than ECR and Derrick Henry, because I don't know if this is
16:11the same version of Derrick Henry that can take advantage of this type of matchup because he has been significantly worse and
16:18he doesn't have a mobile quarterback helping create some of his lanes.
16:21So I think that the volume is going to be there.
16:25It could be easily 20 carries for 60 yards and no touchdowns.
16:28And you kind of just like wipe your hands clean, or it could be, Hey, you just need that one big run
16:35in the second half as he wears down the defense and the Ravens keep it a little bit closer.
16:40So that was a lot to unpack, but I just think this is really interesting spot for Derrick Henry.
16:46And I think that in most cases you do want to keep them in your lineup.
16:51Yeah. I mean, I think the ring kind of dictates that it's just 30 for 80 is not going to really do
16:57a whole lot for everybody, especially with any touchdowns.
17:00I'd love to see him get involved maybe a little bit in the past game, a little bit more like if they're
17:07going to have trouble moving the ball deep or having check down stuff or really getting Derrick Henry involved is get him
17:13involved a little bit in open space, you know, on short things.
17:17And I don't know if we'll end up seeing that, but something to keep in mind.
17:22And he's moving down a little bit in ranks.
17:24It's a really rough matchup going to RB 19 on the list.
17:28Quinshon Judkins. He's got a five-star graded matchup going up against new Orleans for running backs, or at least given the four or the five-star grade here.
17:36ECR 19 Erickson, you've got them at 21. So you were lower, but Fitzy, you were quite a bit higher.
17:42So let's jump to you, Fitzy, 15, top 15 running back Quinchon Judkins.
17:46He is, um, he is higher than Derrick Henry for you this week.
17:50Now that doesn't show up in ECR, but that is for you.
17:53Talk to me about, uh, Quinchon Judkins. There are a couple of things to really like here.
17:58Volume check matchup check efficiency. That's the one drawback.
18:01Um, the volume has been really bankable. Judkins is averaging 17.4 touches a game, and he's had at least 13 touches in every game this season.
18:09Um, he's even averaging three catches a game. So obviously the efficiency hasn't been great.
18:13Just 3.4 yards per carry. It's been kind of a problem ever since Judkins arrived in Cleveland.
18:18The offensive line just isn't great, but he gets a Saints run defense that ranks 31st in DVOA, 32nd in EPA per rush.
18:25Saints are giving up 120 rushing yards per game to running backs and 4.9 yards per carry to running backs.
18:31So I know there's some concern about this now being a split backfield with Judkins and Dylan Sampson.
18:36We're going to talk more about Dylan Sampson in a few minutes, I believe, but I do not think Judkins investors should be worried about that at all.
18:45I mean, yeah, it's been kind of, it's a receiving game thing for Samson, if anything, but Erickson, um, talk to us about where you are with Judkins.
18:53You are lower. You've got him at 21, still RB2, nothing crazy.
18:57He's RB19 again. So this is still like the RB2 range, but just a little bit lower than ECR.
19:02So do you have a little bit more worry of what Samson is potentially taking away or efficiency or, or what do you have?
19:09It depends on how the game script plays out, right?
19:12If the Browns go on the road and are trailing in this game against the New Orleans Saints who are coming off
19:19a bye week, then you're going to see more of Dylan Sampson in the past game.
19:24Cause that's, what's been nuked in Judkins role over the last two games.
19:28The receiving role was there when Samson was on injured reserve, but over the last two weeks, it really has disappeared.
19:34So you're not getting that receiving floor. If there's a chance where the Browns fall behind their underdogs on the road.
19:40And there's a chance that it's not Deshaun Watson on our center.
19:44It's just Sanders. Now you can look at that as maybe that's a plus and that they're going to be better without
19:50Deshaun Watson, but still a younger quarterback making us a road start.
19:54Never I necessarily ideal, especially in new Orleans, which is a tough place to play.
19:58So yeah, I get the matchup is really good.
20:01The saints have been the giving up the most or second most rushing arts to running backs this season, most fancy points per game.
20:08So that in itself with Judkins volume overall is yeah, man, he's going to be in the RV to conversation.
20:14I just questioned what the ceiling is for running back.
20:17That has been brutally inefficient again, second worst in success rate only ahead of Pat Fitzmore's favorite running back, JK Dobbins.
20:23So, okay. All right. I'm going to jump over a back because I think the more that I stare at this, people
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23:52Ollie Gordon is going up against Detroit. And Erickson, that is you.
23:56You've got him at RB16 this week. So that is higher than Jutkins.
23:59You've got him higher than Derrick Henry. Kind of an all-in on Ollie Gordon here.
24:04So why don't you kick us off with Ollie Gordon versus Detroit?
24:07Yeah, Gordon versus Derrick Henry was one that I looked at for a long time trying to figure out how I felt
24:14about it because I believe that both guys are good volume plays for sure.
24:18Gordon has seen the bell cow usage basically since A-chan got hurt every single week.
24:23And last week was really the only game that he had where he didn't perform up to expectation.
24:28It was just because he didn't score a touchdown, right?
24:31Patriots have a good run defense. So he ended up not finding Pater.
24:35But now you're looking at a matchup against the Detroit Lions who they lost three more linebackers last week.
24:41Two of their safeties are still banged up. I just don't see a scenario where I don't like or where I feel
24:47more comfortable at Derrick Henry with a third string quarterback against the Jags defense than Ollie Gordon, who has seen, if not
24:54equal, if better volume than Derrick Henry has over the past or this season, since Gordon has basically taken over as the
25:00starting running back for the Miami Dolphins, his touches per game, 18.6.
25:04So that's higher than Jutkins. That's right. It's right.
25:06It's not as high as Derrick Henry, but still over his last five games, top 15 running back in four of his
25:13last five games played except for last week. Because again, he did not score the touchdown.
25:18The Dolphins gonna be a shutout against the Lions playing at home.
25:21I don't think so. So Ollie Gordon to me, I think that I think this is where I probably draw the line
25:28where if it's you, it's Gordon versus Derrick Henry.
25:31I think I'm going with Ollie Gordon, right? It just he's been better this year than has been.
25:36He's looked so good. And I think you just mentioned this, but yeah, half PPR, RB 13, RB 12, RB 14, RB 14, and then RB 30.
25:44So four of the last five weeks, he's been a top 15 running back when he's out there.
25:49I mean, he's just looked good. Yeah, last week, 20 of the 23 opportunities in the backfield, 87 percent the week before 80 percent.
25:56So Jalen Wright barely plays. It's all Ollie Gordon is backfield.
26:00I know that. And I he is a very fiery personality, too.
26:03Like he's just like yelling up and screaming because I think that he feels like this is my time, like this is
26:10my moment to be the team starting running back, because as a former day three pick, like he knows this isn't usually
26:16meant to last for these types of players. So he's trying to take advantage of his moment to be a leader on this team.
26:24And he is one of their best offensive players.
26:26So in a matchup that I'm not afraid of with Detroit, just so banged up defensively, the money dolphins like to run the football at home.
26:34Yeah, man. Give me Ollie. Yeah, I think I'm with I'm with you on the higher rank.
26:39Fitzy, you got him slightly higher. You also get to be in this camp.
26:43It's not quite as high, but you're 21. He's ECR 22.
26:47You share a lot of the same sentiment, but maybe just not the aggressiveness and making him a top 20 back.
26:53Yes. And I like the point Erickson just made about like how fiery Ollie is.
26:57It seems like there's been he's been part of almost like a makeover for this Dolphins team and their first three games.
27:04They lost every game by two touchdowns or more 14 or more points in their first three games, their last four games.
27:10They're one in three, but they have not lost a game by more than seven points.
27:15And they've played the Vikings, the Bengals, the Patriots, some pretty good teams in there and then had the one win over the Jets.
27:22So Ollie seems like he's contributing to sort of just an overall better quality of play for the Dolphins lately.
27:28And Ollie Gordon has had 18 or more carries in three straight games, and he's had a touchdown run in four of
27:35his last five games, had his four game TD streak snapped last week.
27:39I guess my only real concern here is that the Lions run defense has been really good ever since they played the
27:45Bills in week two and James Cook and Josh Allen just ran all over them.
27:50Since then, only one of the Lions opponents has rushed for more than 81 yards as a team and three of their
27:56five opponents have been held to 60 rushing yards or fewer.
28:00And Detroit's giving up the fifth fewest rushing yards per game to running backs.
28:04Ollie Gordon only has six catches for 14 yards this season and one catch over his last three weeks.
28:09So if he doesn't run the ball successfully, it's going to have a bad fantasy day.
28:14And I just worry that he might have a bad rushing day against the Lions.
28:19I think a guy we're going to get a ton of questions about this week is Tyler Algier.
28:24Tyler Algier, obviously there's the Gerald Maya Love news and injury that's floating out there.
28:28Algier obviously went off last week. Bam is banged up.
28:31And you hope that the team can make a commitment to even more touches because he was wildly efficient last week, but it was still like 16 touches.
28:40But he comes in at RB 23 against Seattle.
28:42You guys are split. Fitzy, you're the high guy.
28:45Erickson, you're the low guy. So Fitzy, you've got him as a top 18 back.
28:50Talk to us about Tyler Algier. Jeremiah Love's going to be out for a while with an ankle injury, another ankle injury.
28:56Bam Knight is in concussion protocol. And I would be shocked if we saw him this week after he needed help getting
29:03off the field following his concussion last week. Like this is just all about the volume.
29:08I mean, the Seahawks are a nightmare mashup and Tyler Algier might have 18 touches for 42 yards.
29:13But I think there's a really good chance he's going to get 18 or more touches this week.
29:18Like he will have this backfield pretty much to himself against Seattle and volume is king at the running back position.
29:25Erickson, you do not quite agree. He looks like Jeremiah Love's going to be out like four to five weeks here.
29:31Where Algier is relatively the only guy. It's a tough matchup.
29:34I mean, Seattle's a brutal matchup, but you got him at RB 28.
29:38So starkly different as more of a flex option when he is coming in at ECR as an RB 2.
29:44So, you know, concerns. Is it kind of what we laid out?
29:47Like that they still probably won't be comfortable moving up the touches.
29:51He's not going to be as efficient. And it's against Seattle.
29:54Well, he's been inefficient all year except until he played the Dallas Cowboys.
29:58Yeah. So I think that's really important to point out.
30:01Basically, he had all of his explosive runs the entire year against the Cowboys.
30:05So he had three explosive carries in week eight versus Dallas.
30:09More than his two explosive carries weeks one through seven combined.
30:12To the point that Fitz made about 18 carries.
30:15Week six at the Rams, 18 carries with 38 yards.
30:18RB 38 on the week. So even if he gets 18 carries, like he's still not a lock to finish as the top 24 back.
30:25Obviously, you're looking at can he find the end zone?
30:28I think that his saving grace and this is kind of like an under the radar angle with Algier is he's actually
30:35kind of like using the passing game a decent amount.
30:38He has two catches in every game except for one this season.
30:41And I know we've talked about this on the show.
30:44When you're looking at how to attack this Mike McDonald defense, it's the running backs in the passing game.
30:50Seven most targets and catches allowed to running backs this season.
30:53So I think that you don't look at Algier's first half box score because it's probably going to be like 10 carries
31:00for 20 yards and not be good. And you're hoping that in the second half that he can catch a bunch of dump off passes from Gardner Minshew.
31:08So that's really the angle that I'm looking at.
31:11I think I agree with like the volume play with him, but this offense totaled 95 passing yards against the Seahawks back in week two.
31:18McDonald's defense is built to stop the Shanahan McVay LaFleur style of offense.
31:22So it's one of the worst matchups you can draw.
31:25You I would not take anything from Seattle's defense against the Chicago Bears and projected onto what Arizona could do offensively because it's two totally different units.
31:33Ben Johnson had extra time to prepare for the Seahawks defense.
31:36And this is the Fitz. How do you describe it?
31:39The breathing dragon fire fiery dragon that the Cardinals are going to be facing with Seattle coming off another loss.
31:45Like this is, Hey, we need to get, this is a get right spot for the Seahawks defense.
31:51And unfortunately, I'll do your kind of as many carries as he wants.
31:54I still think that the ceiling is not there unless he scores all source and touchdowns around these streets.
32:00I think the breathing dragon is a Welshism. What is the actual phrase?
32:04What is the phrase? Fire breathing dragon. I didn't combine it all.
32:08I didn't land the plane right there. I'm not a judge.
32:11I don't judge because all I do is take like three different analogies, put them together and hope it lands.
32:17But breathing dragon was a funny one. All right, let's jump into our RB threes.
32:2125 through 36. It's not sexy, but there's definitely some big questions that are going to be floating around in here.
32:27Coming into 25 is Blake Corum. 26 Rashad White, followed by Brees Hall, Woody Marks, Zach Charbonnet, Aaron Jones at 30.
32:34Alva Kamara, Jordan Mason, Mike Washington at 33. Jadarian Price, O'Marion Hampton, and Dylan Sampson.
32:38Blake Corum. You know, I feel like I think even a couple people have said it to me.
32:44Like I kind of underplay Blake Corum sometimes. And I don't want to because I've always said this for years, especially the last two years.
32:51When the Rams do their commitment to just every other drive, like Blake Corum looks amazing.
32:56He looks amazing. But things had sided early on in the year on landing more on Karen Williams side.
33:01And it seems like it's starting to turn. And, you know, Blake Corum just gets it done.
33:07Now, the matchup rating doesn't really love this Washington matchup.
33:10He comes in at 25. You guys are both higher than ECR.
33:13But Fitzy, you are the high man. You got him as a top 20 RB.
33:18So that puts him, looking back, that puts him higher than, who did he, than Ollie Gordon?
33:23I guess he didn't quite have him as high as Derek Henry.
33:26But why don't you talk to us about Blake Corum being a top 20 back this week?
33:31The Rams have had to play with no Devontae Adams the last two weeks.
33:35And Blake Corum is RB10 in half point PPR scoring over the last two weeks.
33:40I don't think it's a coincidence. Not counting Matthew Stafford kneel downs, the Rams have run the ball in 53.4% of their
33:46offensive snaps in their last two games. Um, Corum has scored a touchdown in four straight.
33:51And you're right, Walsh. He looks fabulous. He is averaging 5.2 yards per attempt this season.
33:56And he is averaging 0.94 rushing yards over expected per carry.
33:59Almost a full yard over expected per carry this season for Blake Corum.
34:03And, yeah, faces a respectable commander's run defense this week.
34:06But I think Blake Corum should be in lineups.
34:09He was one of my most drafted guys this year.
34:12And I'm starting him pretty much everywhere this week.
34:14I'm going to come back to Corum on a who'd you rather in a couple minutes.
34:19Erickson, you got him at 24. So you did bump him.
34:23He's the last RB2 for you. It's one spot higher than ECR.
34:26Is there any more slight hesitation on Corum? Or does he belong in a tier that people need to maybe stop questioning so much?
34:33And it's like, nah, you get him in your lineup.
34:36Blake Corum is not like Aaron Jones or Alvin Kamara or a Charbonnet.
34:40Like, he belongs at a tier above those guys?
34:43Or is he just the captain of that ship?
34:45So I did move him up before our recording here.
34:48So he's actually at 22 for me now. Liar.
34:51I think that the way Fitz described how well he's playing just is the reason why you should have confidence in just continuing to start this guy, right?
34:59I get that the projection for him on paper is always going to leave you wanting a little bit more because he's
35:06still splitting the backfield with Kyron Williams. However, I do kind of wonder if he was less efficient, he probably would get more touches.
35:13But it's just because he's so good with the touches that he gets.
35:17It's why Kyron always out touches him because Corum has just been more efficient.
35:21And not to say, again, I'm not trying to throw shade at Kyron because he's also been excellent this year as well.
35:28But Blake Corum deserves to get his flowers here.
35:30You look at his EPA per touch 0.36. That leads all running backs this year with 40 or more touches.
35:3660% touch rate. 13 plus fans points in each of the last four games.
35:41Over the last four games between or excuse me, over the last three weeks, Williams, Kyron has 48 touches, 247 total yards, two touchdowns.
35:48Corum has 40 touches, 234 total yards and three total touchdowns.
35:51So it's basically a split right down the middle, except Corrin is not seeing as many touches, but it's because he's getting
35:58a little bit more yardage with the touches that he does receive.
36:01One thing to point about what Kyron is his receiving has gone down in four straight weeks in terms of how much
36:08he's been involved because the Rams have been leaning more on just running the football straight up.
36:13That's how they're feeding their running backs. Corrin wasn't really involved in the passing game anyway, so that hasn't really impacted his fantasy production.
36:20Whereas Kyron, you're starting to see it dwindle just a little bit because he's not catching as many passes.
36:26So I think that this is also a really good matchup for him.
36:29The Eagles could not take advantage of the Deron painless Washington commanders defense last week because they have a broken Saquon Barkley and Elijah Mitchell running the football.
36:38I don't think that would be the case here against the Rams, who I think between this do what they have, they can run on anybody.
36:46Again, when we get these elite rushing units, it doesn't matter what defense they're facing more often than not, like they can run on everybody.
36:53And the way that the Rams have been deploying this offense, Matthew Stafford, a little bit of got the sore arm.
36:59He's not really throwing the ball downfield. They want to keep him upright for a potential playoff run.
37:05And that means feed the running backs. So I'm, I got to move them up.
37:09I got to find ways to move them up.
37:12And even though it feels kind of shaky, just believe in how talented he is.
37:16And eventually they're going to keep featuring him. Why would they go away from Blake Corum based on how well he's played?
37:23Yeah. If anything, you would want to move maybe even more into him, especially if you want to keep Kyron maybe a
37:29little bit cleaner for the back half of the season.
37:32If you're making your playoff run, a Corum just looks phenomenal.
37:36Every time I watch him, you're just like, how does this guy not get 20 touches?
37:40I love watching him run in the way he like takes the handoff, has that split second pause where he's like punching
37:47things into his GPS to figure out where he wants to go.
37:51And then he stomps the accelerator. It's like a Tesla.
37:54Have you ever seen like, you know, when a Tesla just goes, it just like, it takes off.
37:59Like that is where Corum goes. It's like slight hesitation.
38:02And then bam, he is the RV Tesla. Now I want to, I think this might be the most talked about this
38:08little grouping here that we're going to get, at least from our perspective.
38:12And I think a lot of people are going to be dealing with this.
38:16This is a two-parter. Mike Washington comes in at 33.
38:19It's not the best matchup against the San Francisco 49ers.
38:22They're coming off of the bye. They've got DeForest Buckner back, you know, like it's not that great of a matchup, but
38:29you are coming off of Mike Washington having 25 touches.
38:32So he comes in as a flex option. Kind of talked about this, probably not going to be an RB2, but what
38:39I really want this to also be around is Ashton Gentry's rank.
38:42Ashton Gentry came in this week at 21. He is dramatically higher than Mike Washington and their usage was on completely different planes here.
38:49So getting back to Mike Washington for a second, you guys are both higher than ECR, not by a ton.
38:55Fitzy, you are at 28. Erickson, you're at 32.
38:58I want you to obviously talk about Mike Washington, but I also want it in context of what you think about Ashton
39:04Gentry's rank and should this be the case. So Fitzy, you are higher.
39:08So why don't you jump in and start here?
39:11Mike Washington and Ashton Gentry ranks in startability. Yeah, I have no idea what this workload split is going to look like this week.
39:18And I just wonder how much of Mike Washington getting 25 carries last week and Ashton Gentry getting only two is possible
39:25punishment for Gentry's comments about the Jets tackling and maybe Clint Kubiak wanting to send a message about not kicking a hornet's nest with your upcoming opponent.
39:33I don't know if that was a factor or not, because before last week, Gentry had been averaging what, 3.1 yards per
39:39carry and maybe 2.3 in his three prior games before the matchup against the Jets while Washington was averaging 4.9 yards per carry.
39:46So maybe Kubiak did decide that he wanted to shift more towards Mike Washington on early downs.
39:51But then with the extra workload, Mike Washington's efficiency looked a lot like Ashton Gentry's efficiency over the early part of the season.
39:5825 carries for 83 yards. And Gentry, 2 carries, 2 yards.
40:01But he did have 3 catches for 64 yards.
40:04Still the passing down back. And despite his struggles as a runner all season, Gentry's been really good as a receiver.
40:10So we saw some of the same troubles close in, close in the scoring range for Washington that we've seen for Gentry all year.
40:17Washington had 8 carries inside the 10-yard line against the Jets last year and some goal line carries.
40:23Couldn't get into the end zone. So right now I've got it.
40:26Washington RB 28, Gentry RB 24 in half point PBR.
40:29Okay, you answered what I wanted to hear on the Gentry rank.
40:33So Erickson, it's the same thing. But I'll throw out, I do this a lot.
40:37But hey, listen, this isn't going to be a running quarterback game.
40:41So guess who can... I mean, I guess you're probably going to have Warner probably covering a lot more on Bowers.
40:47So maybe that does open up opportunities for Gentry.
40:50But what do you think about the ranks and the startability, especially the Mike Washington versus Gentry?
40:55Should Gentry be above even though his usage was so low?
40:58And do you think it's going to change? I do think it's going to change.
41:03This is the latest from Clint Kubiak via the Coach Speak Index.
41:06Him, Mike Washington, Ashton Gentry are a big part of our run game and Ashton's going to continue to be a big part of our run game.
41:14In the Jets game, Mike had the hot hand.
41:17He was rolling. And then Ashton did a phenomenal job helping us win the game in the pass game, especially in pass protection.
41:24I can't say enough good things about how Ashton handled that and how well he played for us to win that game.
41:30Ashton Gentry is a pro. He was a team captain in the Jets game for a reason.
41:36We're going to continue to lean on him. So there's nothing to me, at least from that game, rewatching it that suggested,
41:42oh, Mike Washington needs to get another 25 carries.
41:45Right. I think Fitz kind of outlined where the red zone struggles were this.
41:49It was more of the same, right? It was just Ashton Gentry kind of like 2.0 where this team collectively can't run the football.
41:56And then when it's up against the 49ers who are well rested getting DeForest Buckner back, they are number one in the NFL and EPA per rush allowed.
42:04Raiders on offense. 31st in EPA per rush generated.
42:07They're not going to win this game trying to run the football.
42:11They got to win with Kirk Cousins throwing the rock.
42:14Like that's the only chance they got. So I think that plays into what Ashton Gentry has done so well all season.
42:20And that's being electric in the passing game. First in targets, first in catches, first in yards, fourth in yards per route
42:27run, fourth in target rate, fourth in routes run among running backs this season.
42:31Despite the fact that Mike Washington out-touched Gentry by 20 last week, Ashton Gentry scored more fantasy points because he caught the
42:38ball out of the backfield because that's how this game works.
42:41And I'm not saying that's right. I'm just preaching to the choir like I'm a slave to the numbers.
42:46The numbers say he scored more fantasy points because he caught passes.
42:50And that's how this works. And when you look at the matchup, again, who's Fred Warner going to be guarding and worrying about?
42:57Brock Bowers. That means running backs in the passing game, saddle up.
43:0049ers. First in catches allowed two running backs. Third most yards allowed running backs.
43:05Fifth most targets allowed two running backs. This is an Ashton Gentry screaming bounce back performance, in my opinion.
43:10So I think that the carries will probably be closer to a 50-50 type of split.
43:15But I think Gentry continues to dominate in the passing game.
43:18And I think we could see him flirt with six, seven, eight catches, especially if so much attention is being thrown at Brock Bowers.
43:25So I would still keep him in my lineup, especially in full PPR.
43:29Where do you have Gentry? 2020. 2020. All right.
43:3220. That's you guys are with it. I mean, I'm just surprised.
43:36I'm surprised on the ECR front, but you know, the matchup makes some sense.
43:40Even after all of the craziness and waivers, Ashton Gentry still ranking over.
43:44It's going to be an interesting one. Final one.
43:46And then we'll get some deep plays. Fitzy, you kind of teased this earlier that we were going to talk about Dylan Sampson.
43:53He comes in at RB 36 on this list.
43:56And you guys have a split. Erickson, you are 36 on ECR.
43:59And Fitz, you are lower. Erickson, case for Dylan Sampson.
44:02You making him a flex worthy option. Does the efficiency in the pass game continue?
44:07Kind of like a Gentry thing where it's like, yeah, it's fine.
44:10He doesn't. He's not in the backfield a whole bunch, but if he's getting six or seven targets a game and he's
44:17catching anywhere from four to six balls, like he's actually becoming, you know, flex worthy.
44:22Is that the spot that you have Dylan Sampson in this week?
44:25Basically. RB3 flex desperation type of play. Because if there's a scenario where the Browns are running the ball effectively with Judkins,
44:32then Sampson is going to be a nothing burger.
44:34They are on the road though. So these types of games, they are underdogs and you may have Shudder Sanders starting.
44:41So those are the reasons why I think Sampson can at least be like an RB, RB3 type of flex option.
44:47If it's, you said you don't have anything to worry about with Judkins versus Sampson.
44:51And you kind of showed that in your rank where you have Sampson like in the mid forties.
44:57So you're, you're not into him even being a flex worthy play.
45:00Yeah. Um, they're only like, aren't they only two and a half point underdogs Erickson?
45:05Like I expect this to be a competitive games.
45:07I think the Browns might just be a better team than the saints.
45:11Um, and Dylan Sampson played more snaps than Quinshot Judkins last week.
45:15That was a total mirage, uh, attributable to game script because the Browns lost to the Steelers 27 to six and trailed
45:21from the middle of the first quarter on and Judkins at 11 carries Sampson one.
45:26And Sampson did have six catches for 62 yards, which makes it look like he was heavily involved as a pass catcher.
45:32It was the absolute definition of garbage time production on the Browns final drive of the game when they were hopelessly behind.
45:39And I can't remember which side of the two minute warning this was on, but Sampson had check down catches on three
45:46straight plays for 32 yards where the Steelers were just safeties deep, not giving up anything big.
45:51This was not meaningful production. And I think starting Dylan Sampson this week would be a terrible mistake.
45:56Well, there's some deeper plays that are out there that maybe you can start instead.
46:00And you guys both have got those. So Fitz, why don't you jump into who is your not ranked top 36 deeper
46:07play running back that you're ranking up? Well, it's your guy, Kalen Black for the San Francisco 49ers.
46:12Christian McCaffrey with that tender hamstring. The Raiders, big underdogs going to San Francisco and the Raiders have a terrible run defense.
46:19I think we could see a lot of Kalen Black in this game.
46:23Wouldn't be surprised. Fitz Erickson, who you got as your deep play?
46:26This name, I just looked at that name. Oh, who do you?
46:30I mean, Fitz, who do you have ranked higher?
46:33J.K. Dobbins or Dylan Sampson this week? Oh, it's J.K.
46:36Okay. Yeah. See, J.K. is my deep play. Because he's facing the Carolina Panthers.
46:40And that's really it. He's not good, but they're not good.
46:43So there you go. That's what deep plays are all about.
46:46They're not good, but the other team and defense, they're worse.
46:50So that's how you build a deep play. All right.
46:53There you go. Those are the top 36 and a little bit further on ECR.
46:57You'll see some changes. I mean, as we did this episode, we had guys that kind of moved up and down.
47:03And Blake Corum was actually an RB2 a day prior.
47:06And then he moved back. The reason that these move are when more rankers, the experts out there, submit their ranks.
47:13So, you know, go to fantasypros.com slash NFL slash rankings.
47:16You can follow that throughout the week to also track and see what the big move.
47:20When there is big movement as well, we've got indicators on there.
47:24This guy's moved up two or three spots in two days and stuff like that.
47:28But you guys can kind of see where some of the movement is based on what we've talked about.
47:34Hopefully this has helped you get set for your running back decisions.
47:38But we always got you covered on lots of our live streams to make sure you're locked into that.
47:43Wide receivers will be coming up in the next episode.
47:46So make sure you lock into that. But that is going to do it for the RB ranks for week nine.
47:53For Andrew Erickson and Pat Fitzmaurice, I'm Chris Welsh.
47:55Thanks for hanging out. And we'll talk to you next time right here on Fantasy Pros.
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