0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. What's up friends and welcome to Fantasy Pros.
0:04This is the Week 9 Wide Receiver Ranks. I'm Chris Welsh, that's Pat Fitzmaurice and Andrew Erickson.
0:09We've got 36 wide receivers we're going to be going through.
0:13Those are your big starters. Some other plays in between.
0:16Where are the big rank differences? Those are the things that we're going to be covering in this episode.
0:21Pretty much covering everything with Brandon Ayuk. Because guys, just as a little aside, we're not going to be ranking Brandon Ayuk at any point.
0:29Regardless of him getting right and reporting Fitzy. The most ridiculous, stupid news.
0:32I think Erickson was like, is this so interesting that he decided to show up right before the trade deadline?
0:38Hmm, that's so interesting that he got his representation with Ken Rosenthal.
0:42But no ranking. And we don't need to see any questions about Brandon Ayuk.
0:46Regardless if he does not get released and shows up on Friday Fitzy, there's no questions around him.
0:51He's going to show up at the team facility, go to open that front door, pull on it.
0:57Yeah, that meme where they're like the one from Hard Knocks where he can't unlock it.
1:01Jamal Adams. Was that Jamal Adams? It was Jamal Adams.
1:04Yeah, he went in and he's like, dude, this doesn't work anymore.
1:08Totally underused memes. I don't know. That was just like the weird, just the goofy, weird wide receiver news is out there.
1:14And I suspect there's going to be like a person or two that's like, should I stash?
1:19Should I do this? Isn't like the stash episode.
1:22This is the weekly ranks episode. But I just think like all the answers are no.
1:27Like I think those are the easy answers to whatever your Brandon Ayuk question is like, no, that's how we'll settle that.
1:33But we do have a bunch of very relevant wide receivers.
1:36We're going to be talking about ones, twos and threes names and where they're ranked out this week for week nine low by week.
1:43So maybe a few more names that are floating out there.
1:47If you guys would like to follow along with us, go to fantasypros.com slash NFL slash rankings.
1:52And you can see what we're referencing today. You can also switch it to standard PPR.
1:56You can look at the flex ranks dynasty, whatever it is.
2:00We got you covered with all of our ranks.
2:02And just know that the ranks will kind of alter a little bit as more experts go out there and submit their rank.
2:09So this is a time capsule. We are talking to you about the ranks when, as we do this show, but you
2:15might see some changes, maybe in ways that we're talking about being higher or lower.
2:20So let's jump into it and let's look at the big board wide receiver ones for the week.
2:25We've got JSN with the top spot against Cardinals Puka Nacua at number two, CD lamb, Jamar Chase, Amon-Ra St.
2:31Brown and T Higgins as your top six. Man, I don't remember the last time I saw two wide receivers on the
2:38same team be top six, but I know it's probably been these two.
2:41Coming in at seven is Malik Nabors, Chris Alave, Drake London, Christian Watson at 10, Nico Collins and Matthew Golden.
2:47Let's talk about our first one is Drake London.
2:50Abysmal performance by the Falcons and the weather. They did try to throw the ball, I suppose.
2:55But going up against the Cincinnati Bengals, which has been delightful.
2:58It's a five star graded matchup here. He is ECR nine.
3:01Fitzy, you're actually slightly lower, but Erickson, you are higher.
3:04You've got him as a top six wide receiver.
3:07So Erickson, you believe that Penix and team will be right without this crazy big weather game.
3:12And they're I mean, they defied the odds and just said, screw it.
3:16Yeah, this weather sucks. We're going to keep trying to throw it didn't work.
3:20So presumably in a normal matchup with the Bengals where you can do this, you think they're going to get back to slinging the crap out of it.
3:28And Drake London is going to be a great option this week.
3:32Yep. Basically, did you steal the notes from my show sheet?
3:35Did you have you sling the crap out of it?
3:38Was that on your note? Exactly how I feel.
3:41Just kind of right off that game last week where it was the rain they had to throw because they were behind.
3:47And it was an absolute disaster for Michael Penix, who looked like he'd never played in bad weather before, despite the fact
3:54that he went to Washington, which was also very, very weird.
3:57So I think as long as there's no torrential downpours in Madrid, Spain, where this game is going to be played, I
4:03think Michael Penix and company can easily take care of this Bengals defense that just got eviscerated by Cam Ward, who didn't
4:10have Carnell Tate, his number one wide receiver. So I know that maybe there'll be some concerns about Drake London against DJ Turner.
4:16Well, he's also hurt. So considered day to day.
4:19So he's not even a lock to play in this game.
4:22If he doesn't play like Drake London back and tied the top six, which is why I have him at wide receiver six.
4:29Okay. So all in again, these are wide receiver ones.
4:32We're kind of locked in regardless of the point.
4:35But, you know, if you're making tough decisions, Fitzy, you've got him at 10.
4:39So it's one spot lower. It's a wide receiver one relative confidence that this team is going to bounce back after that really weird week eight.
4:47Yeah. So I've got him wide receiver 10. I'm starting him no matter what.
4:51But I am a little worried about the matchup with sorry, Harrison, who did we just do?
4:56I'm blanking. GJ Turner. Thank you. I had DJ Moore stuck in my head and couldn't get it out.
5:01So that and the fact that just the Pennix to London connection has not really been clicking in recent weeks.
5:07So over his last three games, London is averaging 5.2 yards per target and has caught 46% of his targets.
5:13And even if we take out the rain game last week, he's still been under seven yards per target his last two games.
5:20So things just not totally clicking between Pennix and London lately and the possibility DJ Turner, who's one of the best lockdown
5:26quarterbacks in the game, might see a lot of face time with London this week.
5:31You guys have an interesting agreement on a wide receiver that you do not believe is a wide receiver one.
5:37Nico Collins is 11 this week going up against the Chargers.
5:40According to ECR, you guys both have him lower.
5:42It's not in a range where I don't think either one of you are being like, hey, you don't start.
5:48I mean, if you have him at 13, like how are you not starting 13 wide receivers?
5:53But the point is, is you just have him slightly lower than ECR, which is push, pushed him from a tier that's you've got him at 13 Erickson.
6:02You've got him at 15. Fitzy, why don't you jump in?
6:05What's pushing Nico Collins down slightly for you? Just that Nico used to be sort of hyper targeted in this offense.
6:11And now it seems like CJ Stroud has sort of gone into Drake may mode where he's just throwing to the open guy and it's not always Nico.
6:19So since he came back from his hamstring injury in week five, Nico's average 6.3 targets a game and has not had
6:26more than eight targets in any of those four games.
6:29And now he's gone three games without a touchdown.
6:31Stroud just kind of spreads it around now. All right.
6:34Going over to you, Erickson wide receiver 15. So even a little bit lower, not not startable, but and you were shaking
6:41your head kind of on the like hyper targeted disappearing.
6:44Is that the big thing that's kind of pushing you away, slightly away from Nico?
6:48His usage has changed in the Texans offense since they acquired all these other players.
6:53So he's running a lot more of like the clear out route.
6:56So the last time we saw them play Collins ran a vertical route at a season high 47.8% of his routes run.
7:03But so posted a season low 8.8 yards, air yards per target, did not log a single downfield catch for the first time all season.
7:10So we're all happy that Marvin Harrison Jr. is no longer playing the X role.
7:14He's now in the Z, which is much better for his usage.
7:18But that's conversely hurting Nico Collins, because now he has to be the one that's running all the downfield routes, which is
7:24going to obviously invite a little bit more of a boomer bus type of profile, which has been the case with Nico
7:31Collins over the last couple of games. His target numbers have not increased week over week a single time this season.
7:37Catch totals have gone down every single week since his return back in week four.
7:41So he had those two blow up games against Buffalo and Dallas, who are two defenses that we were attacking.
7:47And a lot of teams have been attacking for wide receivers, but every other matchup, it's really been disappointment for Nico Collins
7:54as CJ Stroud kind of spreads the wealth here.
7:56So in this match against the Chargers and the Chargers defense hasn't really been their problem.
8:01They're kind of just like middle of the road across the board.
8:05Most defensive metrics because just Herbert's a turnover machine, which is why the team has been so bad.
8:10Because the offense has been so bad. So there's also nothing about the matchup to me that suggests, oh, like this is
8:16such a bounce back spot for Nico to be a top 10 top five guy.
8:21Now he's always live to rip off one of these big runs after the catch.
8:25So he's going to still be in your lineup, but I don't think he's locked and loaded like top 12 guy, which obviously Fitz agrees with.
8:33All right, we're going to get talk about our wide receiver twos 13 through 24.
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10:27kind of can't blame at this point. Mike Evans comes in at 14.
10:31Parker Washington at 15. Luther Burden, George Pickens, Rasheed Rice.
10:34Our bottom half is a Flowers down at 19.
10:37Jamison Williams, Tedaro McMillan, Garrett Wilson, Jalen Coker, and Stefan Diggs.
10:40A couple things to jump in in here. Rasheed Rice, wide receiver 18 on the list going up against the Jets.
10:46You guys have got a split. We have a high and we've got a low.
10:50The high and low still exist as a wide receiver too, but it's a decent flip here.
10:55Erickson, you've got him at 16. You're the high guy.
10:58Fitzy, you've got him at 23 though. You're the low guy.
11:02Erickson, why don't you talk about the high run of Rasheed Rice here for you?
11:06Last two full games he's played. He has 17 targets, 14 catches and 141 receiving yards.
11:11He's not the best receiver in the league, but he's the best receiver on the Chiefs.
11:15And I don't think it's particularly close. So against the New York Jets, I think this is a good matchup for Rasheed Rice.
11:22The fact that he was able to come back from his hamstring injury last week and be very productive despite being on a snap count.
11:30He only paid 57% of the snaps ran around on 63% of the drop backs still finished with eight true targets, seven
11:36catch for 53 yards and a touchdown. He actually had two touchdowns, but it was called back because of a questionable false
11:43start penalty by Kansas City Chiefs that ended up costing them that game against the Denver Broncos, which as a Denver Broncos
11:49money line holder, I was not necessarily upset with, but as a Rashi Rice investor was obviously upset that the second touchdown did not count.
11:56So I just think that he's kind of in this wide receiver 16 range.
12:01And I think this is where he should be.
12:03Fitzy, you don't necessarily agree. You got him at 23.
12:06You got him outside of a top 20 wide receiver.
12:09I'd say 23 starts to kind of toe the line of like, is there spots where like 10 team leagues and stuff like that could start sitting him?
12:17You seem to have some more worries. You didn't quite push him out.
12:21But talk to us about why you push Rasheed Rice down to 23.
12:25Yeah, maybe in small leagues, you might be more of a borderline guy.
12:29And I've been accused in the past, rightly of sticking to my priors too long.
12:33And I'm kind of sticking to my priors here on Rasheed Rice.
12:37My belief in the offseason was that Rasheed Rice was going to have a diminished role in the Kansas City offense this
12:43season with the addition of Kenneth Walker. And that's kind of how it's played out.
12:48Like last year, Rice saw double digit targets in four of his eight games.
12:52He has not had a game with double digit targets this season.
12:55I just think he's playing a lesser role. Still a wide receiver two for me, but not close to wide receiver one
13:02status like he was so many times the last couple of years whenever he was healthy.
13:06All right. I want to, this wasn't originally in the sheet, but I want to talk about this one.
13:12And this is also a plug. If you guys don't listen to the betting pro show, you, the prop show, you should.
13:19Erickson just had the greatest week you could have.
13:21He, Jial, he look at his blush and he's like, no, don't.
13:25You know, five and a week nailed every single prop and hit a touchdown.
13:29We joke because I had the best week, the week prior of, of a single one of our days.
13:34Erickson blew that out of the water. Why am I mentioning that just to glaze Erickson?
13:39Well, Erickson also previous weeks had said he put the worst bet that's ever existed.
13:44We'll hold my beer because I put a bet out of Zay flowers over receiving yards and he didn't have a catch.
13:50So worst bet of all to Erickson's the greatest.
13:53I'm the worst. Uh, cue the happy Gilmore meme in there.
13:56The reason I'm bringing this all up is I want to talk to you guys about Zay flowers for a second.
14:02I don't know where you have him. I don't actually see the ECR in here cause we didn't originally have him, but he is 19 on this list.
14:10He's moved down. He's going up against the Jaguars.
14:13We talked about the Derek Henry stuff in here.
14:16Where are you guys at on Zay flowers? And should he be more of a concern?
14:20Uh, Erickson, why don't you kick it off since you're the greatest, uh, gambler better.
14:25And I do the worst picks of Zay flowers.
14:27And when he gets no catches, where do you have Zay flowers?
14:31And should we be more concerned about his play this week?
14:34I have him at wide receiver 26. So baby, I receiver 20 is pretty aggressive.
14:39I don't know where fits has him, but I don't know how you can feel good about Zay flowers in any capacity.
14:45We talked about Derek Henry on the running back show and how we feel lukewarm about him just because game plan should
14:52be just load this guy up with as many carries as humanly possible.
14:55But that doesn't help Zay flowers, right? The defense knows who the number one receiver is going to be.
15:01And I know we talk about this every single week where yeah, just get Zay flowers in space.
15:06It's that easy. There's like a make plays out to the catch, but Declan Doyle knows that.
15:11And so does the defense. So I'm assuming that they're going to put all the attention that they can on Zay flowers and then also on Derek Henry.
15:20So if Declan Doyle can only do one thing, what do you guys think he would do?
15:25Would it be just trust in Derek Henry and just run the crap out of the ball or no, we're going to
15:31use our quarterback and we got to design all these scheme touches for Zay flowers and hope that he can just break one.
15:38I think I more leaning towards it being a Derek Henry type of game plan no matter what.
15:43So for me, that's why I'm just lower ends.
15:46They flowers can I love the talent, but it's it's just tough sledding man.
15:5026 is the definite is the definition of guys that are not no brain starters anymore.
15:55And I think that's important to mention obviously 12 team leagues with like three wide receivers and stuff.
16:00You're probably not going to be able to get too cute with it, but there's some major questions.
16:05Now Fitzy, you drop your rank. Where do you have him?
16:08He is easy. He is easy. Again is 19 on this list.
16:12Erickson says 26. What say you? I've got him at 20 and I am of the belief that whatever Declan Doyle is drawing up this week.
16:20I've got to imagine that Derek Henry and Zay flowers are going to be the targets on basically 90% of those plays.
16:26And it's not going to be pretty because the average depth of target is probably going to be like three yards for Zay flowers.
16:33It's going to be bubble screens and quick hitches and just like the kind of stuff we did not want to see
16:40him doing when he was being used as this downfield weapon when he was playing with Lamar earlier this season.
16:46But man, those targets coming from Joe Fagnano or he's banged up.
16:49And if it's not Joe Fagnano, I think it's going to be Keaton Slovis who just got signed off the Packers practice
16:56squad who back in the day was the quarterback for the USC Trojans before a guy named Caleb Williams showed up in LA.
17:02So, man, it's not pretty. I feel for these a flowers investors, including myself, who looking like they had struck gold with him.
17:09And now, man, it's all just crumbled. I forgot to mention this.
17:13I think I mentioned this on the the waiver show because Sealy was there.
17:17Sealy runs the flex leagues. I mentioned in the flex leagues.
17:20I had Lamar Jackson and I went against Joe Burrow.
17:23So that was a fifty nine point swing. I had zero points from Lamar Jackson and Burrow.
17:28Here's what I forgot to mention. I also had Zay flowers in that league and I got a zero.
17:34I only lost by 20 points, too, but I got zero from Zay flowers zero from Lamar Jackson.
17:39It hurts. Are you at all considering that maybe you need to move Zay flowers down a little bit more or are
17:45you just going to plug your nose, close your eyes and he's just a low and wide receiver, too?
17:51So the guys I've got behind him right now are like Tedderone McMillan against Denver.
17:55Lad McConkie. Rishi, right? Maybe I should move him behind like McMillan and Rishi Rice, but he's not going to go down
18:02that far, honestly, because I've got issues with pretty much everyone behind him.
18:06Fair enough. Final one in this range about Jamison Williams.
18:09He comes in at ECR 20 Miami graded out.
18:11Not as great matchup, but we'll see about that.
18:14Erickson, you got him at 23. You're the low man fits.
18:17You got him at 17. You're the high man.
18:20So ECR splits the uprights on you guys. Not a question for you, Fitzy.
18:24You are Jamison Williams over Zay flowers, though, when you have Jamo at 17.
18:28Oh, yeah. And earlier this season, Jamo was grossly underachieving, but he was borderline wide receiver one in terms of expected fans.
18:35He got a lot of fantasy points. The usage was really good, and it seemed like only a matter of time before he started putting up numbers.
18:42Well, he's putting up numbers. Five touchdowns in Jamo's last three games, and Jamison Williams is averaging 77.5 receiving yards over those last four games.
18:50Wide receiver nine in half point PPR scoring since week five.
18:53By the way, shout out to Jamo for our Jamo at Fantasy Pros.
18:57I was thinking how many Fantasy Pros employees do we have that have NFL nicknames?
19:01Because technically Fitzy, Hall of Famer, not a current NFL player, but you got Fitzgerald.
19:06That's a legitimate nickname. We got the great Jamo.
19:08Do we have any others? We'll have to think about that.
19:12Nothing that anybody on this show cares about, but I was like, oh, we've got a J.
19:17How many Jamos have you ever known? I know two Jamos in my life.
19:21The one that I work with, and then the one that plays for the Lions.
19:25So shout out to Jamo and Fitzy and all you NFL nickname players.
19:29Erickson, Jamison Williams, you are not quite as excited.
19:32You pushed him down to 20. All right, never mind.
19:35You're not. Oh, did you just change that on me?
19:38I had an upgrade in the sheet. Yeah. All right, you.
19:41You tricky. I'm just trying to be transparent that he's, I'm right in line with ECR because I don't, I'm not, I
19:47don't want to fade Jamo when he's facing the Miami Dolphins.
19:50Like that's stupid. So I don't want to be stupid on the show.
19:54Try to be smart as I can be. So yeah, Jamison Williams.
19:58We saw last week, Drake may throwing bombs to Kyle Williams against this defense.
20:02Their secondary still has a bunch of no name guys.
20:05They can be beat over the top. That's obviously Jamison Williams bread and butter.
20:09I guess the only reason I'm not as high on as fits.
20:13I do think that this could also be a Sam Laporta game because the Dolphins have also been really, really bad against tight ends.
20:20And that's when you saw the biggest discrepancy in Jamison Williams production early on in the season when Sam Laporta was kind
20:26of being the number two pass catcher in the offense.
20:29So Laporta is obviously taking a step back the last couple of games.
20:33Jamison Williams has benefit because of that. So if Laporta ends up having a bigger game, maybe that just takes a little bit off the top from Jamo.
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22:44Give today at foldsofhonor.org. All right. Wide receiver threes, 25 through 36.
22:47We've got Michael Wilson coming in at 25. DJ Moore and Jalen Waddell at 27.
22:52Ladd McConkie at 28. Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion at 29 and 30.
22:56Back half is Trey Tucker, Caleb Douglas, DeMario Douglas, Keenan Allen, Malik Washington, and Devon Vele.
23:00Michael Washington, he comes in at 25. You guys are both slightly lower.
23:04Erickson at 26. Fitzy, you're at 29. Fitzy, pushing him down quite a bit.
23:08I'm going to imagine this is probably more about matchup.
23:11I don't got that Gardner Minshew relatively efficient and just feels and looks better than Jacoby Brissett, but it's just not a good matchup whatsoever.
23:19So he's almost outside your top 30 for Michael Wilson fits.
23:22Yeah. So, um, Michael Wilson did have eight catches for 111 yards and a touchdown on 15 targets last week against the Cowboys in the grand scheme.
23:30Looks like he had a really good game. He was having a pretty bad game until Gardner Minshew came in and sort of resuscitated him.
23:37Um, and of course it came against a terrible Dallas defense with, um, Minshew throwing a nearly every down to bring the Cardinals back from big deficit.
23:45So yeah, Wilson is getting a lot of targets, but he's averaging 6.3 yards per target this season, 1.5, 70 yards per route run, mediocre numbers.
23:53Um, he's facing the Seahawks this week, which is in absolute skull and crossbones matchup.
23:57And I think the Steelers are going to be breathing fire.
24:00We talked about the fire breathing dragon. Uh, yeah, they are going to be Grendel in this matchup because I think they're
24:07going to be mad about what the Bears offense did to them last week.
24:11And man, I don't trust Gardner Minshew to do it again.
24:14It's always easy to come in against a bad defense when they have not prepared for you at all.
24:20Seattle is going to be well prepared for Gardner Minshew this week.
24:23And I think they're going to snuff him out like a candle.
24:27Erickson, you got Fitzy, uh, Fitzy. You've got, uh, Michael Wilson, all the nicknames now are in my brain.
24:33Uh, you've got Michael Wilson at 28. So also a little bit lower.
24:36So not really buying the, um, the Gardner Minshew.
24:39You know, insertion into the offense of like reviving, uh, him, especially against Seattle.
24:43Of course I'll give Minshew mania one quarter in Seattle before we, uh, before the Cardinals fans already call for Carson back to come into the game.
24:51Because I just don't think that this is going to last.
24:54Don't go chasing. What's the song? Don't go chasing waterfalls.
24:57Don't go chasing Cowboys box scores. Do you know who sung that song?
25:01Yeah. Oh yeah. Extra credit. Do you five and O prop week?
25:05Wilson last three games against the Seattle Seahawks, two catches for 18 yards, four cats for 34 yards, three catches for 15 yards.
25:11Don't don't play this guy. Honestly, I think 28 wherever I have him is too high.
25:16I think that he, I think that he's a bust this week.
25:20I would not start Michael. Well, Jacoby Brissett mentioned this on the Tyler O'Gio breakdown through for 95 yards against the Seahawks defense back in week two.
25:28They may not be able to pick up a first down.
25:31I I'm very concerned about this offense against this matchup.
25:34So Michael Wilson also playing with two broken ribs, not ideal when you're playing a fierce physical defense like Seattle.
25:40There's a chance that he could take one hit and get knocked out of the game.
25:44Like, obviously I don't want that to happen to him, but that's something you also have to kind of keep in the
25:51back of your mind when you're weighing risk versus reward.
25:54What is the upside with Michael Wilson this week?
25:56I don't think it's very high in the risk is immense.
26:00So I'm going in alternative. I mean, I think, yeah, I have to say flowers ahead of Michael.
26:05I mean, that's something I wouldn't even really consider flowers is healthy.
26:09He's better than Michael Wilson. So that's not a start sit decision.
26:12I think it's really too tough even given the quarterback situation in Baltimore.
26:16I just think this is just a brutal spot for Michael Wilson.
26:19Okay. Trivia question. Trivia. Two parter which TLC member that her name.
26:23Yeah, I know you're going to know this. Burn down what NFL players house.
26:27This is Erickson because I know. Yeah, I know.
26:30I don't know the name. I don't know the member.
26:33Okay, I'm going to give you the member. This is it's left eye.
26:37What NFL player. This is a wide receiver from the 90s pretty popular wide receivers house was burned down entirely entirely.
26:43The she burned it down mansion. Yeah, this wasn't yeah.
26:46Yeah, it wasn't like a house that we're living in.
26:49It was a mansion. She burned it in Atlanta.
26:51Area if that's a hint. Yeah, we gave you all the played.
26:55So he played for the Falcons. Is that is that the hint I'm getting here?
26:59I see a bad moon rising. Who was who was a receiver?
27:03I see in the 90s trouble. I don't know Andre Rison.
27:06Andre rise and Andre rise. And that's why I was singing the song Andre rise and number 80.
27:11I think with the Falcons back then left. I burned his house down so that you brought up TLC.
27:17The trivia question came in and I was like, oh, it relates to NFL.
27:21So we have to do that. How many of you knew that that we're listening by the way?
27:26But Bitsy knew it before I even asked the question.
27:29Yeah, don't forget the Andre rise and state with the Green Bay Packers score touchdown in the Super Bowl for them against the New England Patriots.
27:37Patriots and Packers. Big game. That's right. That's right.
27:40It's Brady's doing it. First game that he's doing a Patriots game.
27:43It's about time. We might have. We might have an angle on that game coming up in the show, Erickson.
27:49All right. Let's get some let's get some bets going.
27:52All right. Let's get this out of the way.
27:55Let's talk about Jalen Waddle. Yeah, you know, I love to do that.
27:58Jalen Waddle did. He had a game. You know, touchdowns in there scoring a little bit.
28:03He comes in an ECR 29. I do love to see that you guys are both lower than ECR.
28:09I have can kind of continue. She said if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
28:13It's fine. But I was like, what was going to have the day where people are going to be like, ah, see, it's getting back.
28:20And then you're going to put them in your lineups and then it's going to fail you.
28:25And that might be wrong because maybe the tide is turning a little bit, but you guys about lower than ECR 29 and 32.
28:32It's not me. Some as a wide receiver three, but you know, lower than that, that definitely pushes him out of starting ranges.
28:39So Erickson, you got him at 29. Well, let's start with you on this one.
28:43Fitz, he's at 32. Did your level of confidence change with Waddle or is Waddle still the same as it's always been?
28:50He's a fringy wide receiver three. If you don't have other better fun options, then you're going to put him out there.
28:56Do you feel that the ceiling has grown? Like where are you at on Waddle?
29:01Don't feel like the ceiling has grown because nothing has really changed about what his role in the offense is.
29:06It's still six targets, seven targets, seven targets, mediocre kind of yardage totals.
29:10Last week, he got the touchdown, which you're happy about caught a two point conversion.
29:15So it's encouraging that they're using him in the red zone and their running backs.
29:19Haven't been super great in the red zone. I know Jonah Coleman finally got into the red zone eventually after I gave
29:26him like 15 carries and he finally punched one in.
29:28So in the Carolina matchup is good, right? Denver's offense should be productive, both rushing the ball and throwing the ball.
29:35So I think that's kind of where you're looking at where Waddle has a path to relevance.
29:40But I think we've kind of seen this connection with him and Bo Nix and then they try to use him downfield
29:46sometimes, but Bo Nix is not good passing the ball down the field.
29:50So the fit with Waddle has not really been there.
29:53So I think that puts him in wide receiver three territory and a good matchup.
29:57Yeah, Fitz, he moved him outside the top 30.
30:00So it's becoming a little bit more fringy like wide receiver three.
30:04Has anything changed for you after like this game or even, you know, the parts of the previous game where it looked
30:10like he was getting going and he got banged up?
30:13Like, is your perception changed at all? Or is it still kind of the same spot?
30:18Still kind of the same. And you know, when Erickson and I are off the Jalen Waddle bandwagon, it's bad because we
30:24we caped up for that guy so much last season on the ranking shows.
30:28And we have been reduced to celebrating a performance by Jalen Waddle in which he had three catches for 39 yards and
30:35a touchdown and a two point conversion. So I don't know.
30:38I mean, I guess I could get behind him if you were in a pinch this week as a third receiver or
30:44flex play, but only because of the Panthers are so banged up at cornerback.
30:49They could be without once again, JC Horn and Mike Jackson.
30:52And now a Caleb Evans too. So three of their top four corners, I think.
30:56And Horn and Jackson might be eligible to come off IR this week, but I don't believe either guy is expected to.
31:03Like, I think they were initially worried about JC Horn season being a season ender.
31:07Maybe Jackson is closer. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
31:10But man, with the Panthers down at cornerback, I guess you could play Waddle in a pinch, but we just don't have
31:17expectations of hundred yard games for Jalen Waddle anymore.
31:19We don't often have the difference in this range of one of you calling a wide receiver, a wide receiver two, and
31:26one of you calling a wide receiver, a wide receiver four.
31:29Now it's on the fringe of both of those, but that is the case with Caleb Douglas, where he is ECR 32 fits is got him at 37.
31:37So that's like a flex wide receiver for Erickson.
31:40You got a wide receiver 24. So that is the last of wide receiver twos.
31:44So Erickson, why don't you hit us with Caleb Douglas?
31:47Your trust level clearly has rise risen and they're going up against Detroit.
31:51So I think that's probably a big piece of why you're going to like this one.
31:56So talk to us about Caleb Douglas. Averaging 2.2 yards per run this season that ranks 25th among all wide receivers at
32:02least a hundred routes run Caleb Douglas is the best wide receiver on the Miami Dolphins.
32:07He is their number one guy. And we saw that last week, even in a tough matchup against the Patriots and Christian
32:13Gonzalez caught four of six official targets for four to three yards.
32:17He actually had eight true targets and you include the targets that he saw that were erased by penalties.
32:23So that's good for a 23% target share played 86% of the snaps.
32:26And this is his second game back from his injury.
32:29So he's locked and loaded as this team's number one alpha wide receiver.
32:33And given the fact that he has the best matchup to date against this Detroit Lions defense that they just continue to lose piece after piece.
32:41So you're expecting Miami to have a negative game script here.
32:44If they're going to be throwing a little bit more in the second half of the game, then yeah, I think Caleb
32:50Douglas could flirt with double digit targets. He's been really efficient with the targets that he's gotten so far this season.
32:57So that's why I think that he is a top 24 play.
33:00So Fitzy, why are you not so into him?
33:03You've got him at 37. Um, you know, that definitely isn't a spot where you're not pressing him up to give any starts.
33:10What's the negative case on Caleb Douglas? Yeah, I, I do love the player.
33:14I agree with Erickson. He is the best wide receiver.
33:17The Dolphins have, I think he's much better than Malik Washington.
33:20I think he's better than Chris Bell. Um, and he is averaging 10.3 half point PPR fantasy points per game tied with Justin Jefferson for wide receiver 29.
33:28So, um, the only thing is I don't totally trust the offensive environment with Miami yet.
33:33And we are seeing a little more, uh, more signs of life, I guess, from Malik Willis as a passer.
33:39His last two games, he's gone over 200 passing yards and has had two touchdown passes in each of them.
33:45But before that Malik Willis had thrown two touchdown passes in five games.
33:48And for the season, he's still averaging just 180 passing yards a game.
33:52So it's kind of a, an oxygen starved environment for the pass catchers.
33:56And I'm just a little worried about that. I will move up Caleb Douglas a little bit.
34:01If Brian branches out, he got a concussion. Uh, he concussed himself crashing into teammate DJ Wanham last week.
34:07And Brian branches got to stop leading with his helmet on hits.
34:10But, um, if branches out, then I will maybe move up Caleb Douglas a little bit because that defense was absolutely getting
34:17torched when they didn't have branch earlier in the season has been a little better lately.
34:21But if there's no branch, I'm going to have to move up, uh, Douglas into wide receiver three territory.
34:27I do want to say one thing just to make a note.
34:31I think part of the reason why I've seen Willis better is because he has Douglas in the lineup, right?
34:36Cause he listed out like how the inconsistency has been with his passing yardage.
34:41Douglas was healthy to start the year. I think three of the four best passing games from really cool us have come with Caleb Douglas in the lineup.
34:49So going back to the point why he makes a big impact on this passing game and why we saw him like
34:55Willis kind of struggle a little bit passing wise in the middle portion of the season.
35:00Cause Douglas wasn't playing. Uh, the final wide receiver, before we get to a deep play for both of you, Keenan Allen,
35:07this is a, another kind of split version. And one of this is just like wide receiver three to like more of
35:13a flex option play, but he comes in at 34.
35:16Erickson, you've got it down at 39. So not quite as excited, but fits you've got him at wide receiver 30.
35:22So top 30 wide receiver. So fits. Why don't you talk to us about, uh, Keenan Allen and, uh, your comfort level
35:29of starting him this week versus the Dallas Cowboys.
35:31A high floor, low ceiling, um, four of his last five games.
35:35Allen has had at least seven targets and five catches and granted he is averaging just nine yards per catch this season,
35:41but those short little passes to Keenan Allen. That's one of the few ways that Colts can move the ball these days.
35:48And it's possible possible. The Colts might not have Jonathan Taylor, Josh Downs by this weekend since they're both on the trading block.
35:55Oh, and by the way, the Colts are playing the Cowboys this week who might be capable of making 34 year old
36:01Keenan Allen look like 25 year old Keenan Allen.
36:04So I think he's playable this week. And again, the ceiling is limited, but floor is pretty, pretty sturdy.
36:09Erickson, not so much on the agreement side like that.
36:12Keenan Allen might just be the only live body there.
36:15This might be him and Daniel Jones. Even if not, you know, he's going to get some run.
36:20Dallas Cowboys doesn't do anything for you. I just questioned the ceiling.
36:24Right. And that's where I find it tough to rank him too highly because I want to capture ceiling in my ranking
36:30because I want people to start players that have high ceilings.
36:34But that being said, sometimes you just take your six for 60, take it to the bank, make cash out.
36:40Right. So yeah, I could see myself moving Allen up.
36:43He was someone that I looked at for a lot of my rankings, trying to figure out where I wanted to pinpoint him.
36:49So hopefully the Colts will make it easy for me, the trade away half their team.
36:54And it's just easy to kind of plug him in to be a, okay, lock in double digit targets, him and Tyler
37:00Warren as the two last men standing in the Colts passing attack.
37:04I kind of fun, like Fitzy versus Erickson. One might be Caleb Douglas versus Keenan Allen this weekend.
37:09You guys want to do that? I'll take that.
37:12Do a hair bet. I'm team. Loser shaves their heads.
37:15Caleb Douglas. Well, before we get to the deep plays, can I ask a noted New England Patriots fan, Andrew Erickson to
37:21give me like in less than a minute, just his take on Demario Douglas for this week against the Packers.
37:27His role doesn't really change in the offense. Like last week, he still ran fewer routes than Chisholm or play fewer snaps in Chisholm and Kyle Williams did.
37:36So he's one of these players that teams definitely don't look to take away in any way, shape or form.
37:41They're not really worried about Demario Douglas, especially when there are other playmakers in the Patriots offense.
37:46Obviously with guys like Dobbs and AJ Brown hurt and not playing, you see more targets for Demario Douglas.
37:52But even last week, right? Chisholm had more targets than he did.
37:56Kyle Williams had the big play. Douglas obviously had a couple of big plays as well.
38:00So I just think that he's right. Where's his ECR?
38:03I think it's 36. I think low end fantasy wide receiver three is just like the perfect spot for Demario Douglas, especially
38:10because I think Packers defense is underrated too. Like they've been good the last couple of games.
38:15And may spreads it around and Matt Collins, I think is coming off IR this week.
38:19So. All right. Final thing is your deep plays.
38:22Erickson, why don't you kick us with your deep play?
38:25I think this is your deep play last week as well.
38:28Pretty good. Doesn't come in as a top 36 wide receiver this week, but I think he did leave the commanders in targets lead.
38:35I was so bummed out because he finished exactly where ECR had him last week as wide receiver 39.
38:41And I felt like his performance was so much better than that too.
38:45Right? You get five cats, 54 yards. Obviously digs is the one that scores the touchdown.
38:49So we don't get the top 36 finish for Antonio Williams, but we will not be denied the Antonio Williams breakout game
38:56because it's going to happen sooner rather than later led the team in targets last week for the Washington commanders.
39:02I think that he might be the best receiver on this team, even better than Stefan digs.
39:07So I think that Williams in a matchup against a Ram secondary, that's a little bit banged up.
39:12Trent McDuffie dealing with an injury. Um, their other starting quarterback whose name has escaped me is also dealing with another injury.
39:19Look, he ran the most routes. He's ran the most routes for the commanders.
39:23Every single game that Terry McClurin has either missed entirely or missed most of and on the year Williams has run just one fewer route than Stefan digs.
39:31He has more receiving arts. He leads the commanders in receiving arts this season.
39:35So I'm going to continue to ride the Antonio Williams hype train is is Jalen Watson.
39:40The other corner. Yes. That's I had to do a tone for forgetting DJ Turner's name at the top of the show.
39:46Am I wrong about this? That's what was this also your deep play last week?
39:51Am I going? Ryan Flannoy. Yeah, it wasn't. Wasn't it or did I just make that up?
39:56Oh, I can't. He might've been. I love it.
39:58You guys are running a bit on the deeper playlist before.
40:02Oh yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Let's run it back with the guy who's had either a touchdown or 70 plus yards in four straight games.
40:09And so Flannoy has played more than half his snaps in the slot and he is going to be facing a Colts
40:16pass defense that has just been getting battered by slot receivers all season.
40:20Love it. Deep plays top 36 and more. Hopefully that gets you guys covered for this week.
40:25Obviously lots of offerings are on fantasy pros from live streams and more to get you guys set if you got more
40:31questions, but those are the ranks go to fantasy pros dot com slash slash NFL slash rankings.
40:36If you guys want to see how they update throughout the week and what that ends up looking like.
40:42There's a good core look of where not only ECR currently is, but where these guys have got them.
40:47That is going to do it for this episode.
40:50Thank you guys so much for hanging out and good luck in week nine.
40:54We'll talk to you next time right here on fantasy pros.
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