Target These Second Year QBs ✅ 2026 Fantasy Football
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51 min
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Jun 8, 2026
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Mon, June 8, 2026
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Cam WardAndrew ThomasCaleb WilliamsDarius SlaytonDarnell MooneyDavid EdwardsDerrick HenryDrake MayeIsaiah LikelyJalon DanielsJordyn TysonMalik NabersOscar DelpSpencer Rattler
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Andrew Thomas
PositiveRole0:16
Andrew Thomas gets back and is expected to be fully healthy, which should improve the offensive line infrastructure around Jackson Dart.
Insight pageCaleb Williams
PositiveProjection0:13
Caleb Williams finished as the quarterback eight in points per game after being drafted as the quarterback 14, showing significant improvement from his rookie draft position.
Insight pageCam Ward
NegativeBust0:07
Cam Ward made one mind-numbing play per game that would destroy a drive and give it to the opposition, similar to Will Levis' issues with the Titans, stemming from his desire to change the outcome on every drive.
Insight pageNegativeInjury0:14
Cam Ward suffered a right AC joint sprain (shoulder injury) during the final game of the season and avoided surgery, but this impacts his offseason preparation time heading into year two.
Insight pageNegativeProjection0:30
Cam Ward ranked QB 38 in EPA per dropback, 39th in passing success rate, and 40th in catchable ball rate out of 41 qualifying quarterbacks, with no statistical argument in his favor.
Insight pagePositiveProjection0:35
Mentioned as a quarterback with more total peaks and upside compared to Tyler Shuck, though Shuck's consistency is more reliable.
Insight pageNegativeBust0:39
Cam Ward led the league with 11 fumbles in 2025, many self-inflicted due to tiny hands and scrambling around the ball, which is concerning given his tendency to hold onto the football.
Insight pageNegativeProjection0:48
Cam Ward is projected to take multiple years to develop and hit his potential, with the analyst expecting more optimism for 2027 and 2028 rather than being super optimistic for this year.
Insight pageNegativeProjection0:51
Cam Ward, the first overall pick in the 2025 NFL draft, is currently being selected as quarterback 22 (fourth pick of the 12th round), indicating significant downward draft expectations.
Insight pageNegativeProjection0:55
Cam Ward has a bottom seven EPA per drop back since 2016 among quarterbacks, and only Deshaun Watson had a lower success rate in that timeframe.
Insight pageNegativeBust0:57
Cam Ward's accuracy was underwhelming, particularly on downfield throws where his catchable ball rate was really bad due to accuracy issues rather than arm strength limitations.
Insight pageNegativeRole0:57
Cam Ward has significant progression needed just to be an average quarterback in the NFL, with issues on tape beyond environmental factors that require substantial improvement.
Insight pageDarius Slayton
PositiveRole0:54
Darius Slayton had drop balls last year, with hopes that Malik Nabers and Darnell Mooney can catch more passes going forward.
Insight pageDarnell Mooney
PositiveRole0:54
Darnell Mooney is expected to catch more passes for Jackson Dart this season compared to the drop issues experienced by previous receivers.
Insight pageDavid Edwards
PositiveRole0:31
Added at left guard to prevent instant losses at that position and avoid spooking the quarterback with poor protection.
Insight pageDerrick Henry
PositiveRole0:33
Part of the Titans' supporting cast around Ryan Tannehill, providing a strong running game to complement the quarterback.
Insight pageDrake Maye
PositiveProjection0:07
Drake May finished as the quarterback two in points per game after being drafted as the quarterback 13 last September, demonstrating a significant year-two leap in fantasy production.
Insight pageIsaiah Likely
PositiveRole0:54
Isaiah Likely joins the Giants to replace Theo Johnson and hopefully improve the tight end receiving situation for Jackson Dart.
Insight pageJalon Daniels
NegativeProjection0:21
Jalen Daniels was drafted as the quarterback three but finished as the quarterback 17 in points per game, representing a significant decline from draft expectations.
Insight pageJordyn Tyson
PositiveRole0:31
Added to the Saints offense as an outside ISO winner to provide another receiving option for Tyler Shuck.
Insight pageMalik Nabers
PositiveRole0:42
Malik Nabers needs to be on the field for a long stretch of the season and at his best to make a difference for Jackson Dart, as without him the Giants offense becomes more roleplayerish and high variance.
Insight pageOscar Delp
PositiveRole0:29
Brought in as a real inline presence with athleticism after the catch, providing a different type of player than Jawan with yards-after-catch ability.
Insight pageSpencer Rattler
PositiveProjection0:31
He was one of the two quickest time-to-throw quarterbacks in the league last season under Kellen Moore's system, along with Tyler Shuck.
Insight pageTheo Johnson
PositiveRole0:54
Theo Johnson had drop passes from Jackson Dart last year, with Isaiah Likely now replacing him to hopefully improve that aspect of the offense.
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Episode Transcript
0:00This is an important episode. I mean, last year you saw that quarterbacks took massive leaps in from year one to year
0:07two, and that bore itself out in terms of fantasy points. I mean, Drake May finished as the quarterback two in points per game after being drafted as
0:13the quarterback 13 last September. Caleb Williams, the quarterback, eight in points per game after being drafted as the quarterback 14. And conversely, Jane
0:21Daniels drafted as the quarterback three, finished a, you know, up down stop start year as the quarterback 17 in points per game. That's what we're going
0:29to talk about here today. The year 2 breakouts at quarterback. Four names Hayden and three guys locked into their starting jobs and one who probably will
0:38draw a few starts this year too.
0:39>> Uh perhaps so. Uh well it depends on how you would grade those starts from last year. But I think what you said just
0:45throwing out some of those quarterbacks, there was very clear narratives and about their rookie seasons that you had to make the the argument is it going to
0:53get better or was that just kind of the baseline for what there is? That's that was Caleb Williams in the sacks. That
0:58was Drake May just being playing a little bit quicker and then using his legs a little bit more. Uh accuracy, all
1:03those type of things where like you can see the potential. Are they going to hit it? Is there something about the college
1:08profile to the growth to the rookie year? There's a lot of little things we have to kind of nitpick. Uh and I think
1:12these guys and this next crop of guys, they have a lot to work on.
1:14>> Harp on that point a little bit more. So often once we see these college quarterbacks in the NFL, their rookie
1:20season almost anchors the opinion on what it is for the remainder of their rookie contract. And so we're going to talk about that opinion that we have
1:26from them, not just as prospects, but as rookies and then what can improve and what might not. And for me, I know so
1:33much of the improvement or scaling down a bit can come from the environmental change. So we'll factor all those in here today. So we're not going to go by
1:41ADP order where these guys are being drafted on underdog right now. By the way, we're going to do that when we talk
1:45about tight ends, running backs, and wide receivers the rest of this week in our year two breakout week. Instead, we're going to start with where these
1:51guys were drafted in the actual NFL draft. So, let's kick things off with Cam Ward. We know the first overall pick
1:57in the 2025 NFL draft. Right now, being selected as quarterback 22, the fourth pick of the 12th round. What did you see
2:04when reviewing I'll say it, all of Cam Ward's dropbacks during his rookie season.
2:09>> Very up and down. I really hope Cam Ward turns out to be a guy because the arm strength is it's a tier stuff and there
2:16was some ridiculous throws both in structure and out of structure. Rolling to his right, rolling to his left, and he can really whip it in there. He's
2:22kind of an old school gunslinger uh type. Um and he's got the arm talent where if this thing clicks, then you're
2:29going to have a fun quarterback.
2:30Unfortunately, there's not a single statistical argument in favor of Cam.
2:35We're talking about QB 38 in EPA for dropback, 39th in passing success rate, 40th in catchable ball right ball rate.
2:42That was out of 41 qualifying quarterbacks. caveats are the offensive line was bad, the scheme was bad, the receivers were even, I would say, worse
2:51than the other two factors in there. Uh, things got a little bit better, but it's not fixed for Cam Ward. And then I think
2:57I have some issues just based off his own tape where he really has to progress here, not just to be like a good
3:02quarterback. I think there's a lot of progression that needs uh for him just to even be an average quarterback in the
3:07NFL right now.
3:08>> Interesting. Uh, he was selected as the number one overall pick. He did not play statistically as you said like you want
3:15the number one overall pick to do. But I would say my observation, my belief in him is kind of unchanged of who he is as a player and
3:25how he needs to win in the NFL as it was with him entering the league. We we talked about it. He, you know, just has
3:31a dynamite arm and you see it on definitely these like posts and and corner routes that these sideline passes that to me he throws with an
3:40anticipation to layer it in on these intermediate and especially downfield passes. Uh they can come from a awkward angles, but man, the the loft, the
3:48trajectory, the velocity, it pops out of his hand is a lot of fun. But then like you said, you look at the underlying
3:55numbers. Uh bottom seven EPA per drop back since 2016 among quarterbacks. Also in that time frame, only Deshun Kaiser had a lower success rate. But you know
4:05me, Hayden, I I I like to factor in the environment that he played in. And boy oh boy was it absolutely brutal. And you
4:13know, some of the first round picks that they spent on the offensive line haven't really worked. I look at you at right
4:18tackle uh and then at left tackle and Dan Moore, not great. and then having to literally thrust and build a passing
4:25attack at times around Alec Aaymanor and Shamir DK and like Van Jefferson as we went through and through and then starting seasons off with like against
4:36the Denver Broncos for example from start to finish when your play caller and head coach also gets fired mid-season this is somewhat similar to
4:45like a situation that Caleb Williams found himself in during his rookie year but you know you and I had real confidence that Caleb immediately would
4:53come in in year two and like take it to >> multiple notches, not just the surrounding talent, but also the play
4:58caller and head coach. Were you on that spectrum that Cam Ward can do something similar here in year two?
5:03>> I have my doubt just because the Titans infrastructure is still I think really bad. Like I like Carnell Tate for sure.
5:09Uh do you know who their center is? Do you know who their other guard is? It's still the same >> like the backup center for Brian Day or
5:16has played underneath him in the past.
5:17So yes, it's a lot of Dayball's buddies here.
5:19>> Yes. And then it's Dayball, which by the way, Dayball was fun for for Jackson Dart in terms of like fantasy points
5:25because he kept, you know, calling these run plays. Cam Ward, I think's a fine athlete. You just really never see it in
5:31terms of the ground game. And I think that's going to be the hard part because the Jackson Dart drop backs, which we
5:35get to, there wasn't a bunch of creativity in the past game. Uh, and he's going to have to build that for for
5:39Cam Ward. So, uh, excluding all the like, you know, environmental factors here, just like getting back to what Cam Ward, the process and all that types of
5:46stuff, I thought his accuracy was a little bit underwhelming, the the the arm talent is about just delivering the football instantaneously with a ton of
5:57RPMs. I thought him layering the ball was a little bit more hit and miss. The downfield stuff was really bad in terms
6:02of catchable ball rate, which was kind of surprising to me. And it's not an arm strength issue, it's kind of the
6:08accuracy. And I do think we talked about this in his Cam Ward Miami film is there would be some times where he was a tick
6:17late and he had the arm talent to still rifle it in there and he would make good on that. In the NFL, I think him being a
6:23tick late did kind of catch up to him. I think he had a really bad pick six on a checkown where he just did not check
6:29things out. On other drop backs, I thought there would be somebody coming open, he was a little bit late and by
6:34the time he rifled in there, then you have an interception there. And then the other weird thing that came up with him
6:39is these fumbles. He had uh 2025 leading 11 fumbles. He has tiny hands. If for those that care about this, some of them
6:46like on the windup sometimes he'd be kind of scrambling around the ball get kind of hit. A lot of these were kind of
6:51self-inflicted. And that had me a little bit kind of spooked because if the environment is going to stay bad and he's making mistakes that are just
6:59purely based on him, that's where I'm worried about the 2026 version of Cam Ward here just because I still don't trust the Titans infrastructure. I mean,
7:06two years ago, the Titans had a season with Will Levis at quarterback. He had one of those, you know, mind-numbing plays that seemed like at least one
7:12every single game. Uh, it was funny, you and I, knowing that Kam was going to go first, the Titans said, "Buckle your
7:19seat belts, Titans fans, because you're going to get similar things here with K." It felt like one time per game, he
7:24he made a play that uh literally would destroy a drive, give it to the opposition. Just craziness. And I think that sometimes comes from him wanting
7:33to, you know, change the outcome of a contest on every single drive. Like he is a big play hunter and you'll see that
7:40with how long he holds onto the football, how much he wants to drift and drift and drift. And I I think Brian Dal
7:47wants to change that this year. Like adding Juan Del Robinson, for example, gives you a quick access player, right?
7:54someone who can win easily, back foot, release it, choice routes, all that type of stuff. You also have someone like Carell Tate who can go up and is a
8:02technician as an outside wide receiver at really every level of the field, a a trusted pair of hands that you can't
8:09point to last year having that. I mean, there are these plays against like the Broncos, I think this was in week one if
8:15I'm not mistaken, where second and eight, deep in his own half, he is really wide open on a dig route, but the
8:21right tackle gets pushed back into his lap a bit. So instead of kind of trusting his progre progression, excuse me, and his protection, he drifts and
8:28buys time and he still throws it to Calvin Ridley on like the opposite side of the field out of structure for a gain
8:34of 12. Even though in structure in phase that pass could have been right there for also a gain of 12 yards, but then
8:40two plays later, he hits that same dig route over the middle of the field, but then Calvin really drops it on top of
8:46it. So I even saw like progression in games. However, you didn't see progression for the entire season just because of the useless, abominable, like
8:57awful environment that he was in.
8:59>> Almost gave a platform for zero type of success or consistency.
9:04>> Yeah, I I saw the same build on, I guess, is what I'm saying.
9:07>> Yeah, I see the same thing. Like the outer structure plays were nice. They were not so bankable. Like when we were
9:13watching Caleb Williams, we're like, "All right, the level of athleticism from Caleb Williams, like this is going to happen forever." Cam Ward's a tier
9:19below that. Even if they have the same kind of, you know, arm talent, Caleb Williams just moving differently. Drake May, his scramble ability, just a way
9:28different tier than what we're dealing with with Cam Ward. And I thought that the floor remains pretty concerning because there were a lot of sacks that
9:35were Cam Ward sacks. And then you said too long >> too long. And that's and that's it's it's exactly what we said about him in
9:42college where we're going to be really excited. It's going to hopefully take not as much time as I think it is after
9:48studying this tape. And maybe he can turn into like this Jordan Love type of player who holds on the ball, throws the
9:53ball down the field, but the arm talent takes over. We're pretty far away from that in my opinion. I think if Cam
9:59Ward's going to hit, it's going to take multiple years from now. And I think that he has a lot of work uh work to do
10:05to kind of speed up this thing. And then also he the mistakes just cannot be I'm fumbling the ball in the pocket for
10:12fumble sixes the other way, right? And hopefully those are just rookie mistakes and hopefully it's just because he doesn't trust trust the right tackle
10:17play caller Ellumor all those type of things but at some point the success rate is so low that to get to league
10:25average this is going to take a little bit longer than I was hoping for.
10:28>> Yeah, there there's a difference in you know missing a sideline route and throwing it out of bounds and like that's a negative play versus your
10:34negative play against the Miami Dolphins like just losing a fumble for no reason.
10:39Just a total lack of protecting the football. Um, it's interesting and this goes back to exactly his time with the Hurricanes where I think when he puts
10:48his foot in the dirt and is decisive on scrambling, he has some really nice moments of picking up 12 to 13 yards.
10:56And I really hope that Brian Dball can coax that out of him versus just this hold on to it, hold on to it mentality.
11:03And then there were a couple of plays where moving laterally and getting to the corner that he could evade some sacks. But I'm kind of 5050 split on if
11:12he has the athleticism that can sustain that as his career goes along because it it almost felt like to me, oh, he just
11:20evaded that versus actually having like real burst to to be dangerous in that area. I >> just overall maybe I'm misinterpreting
11:28what you're saying. I believe I'm more optimistic that he can actually turn around immediately, that he can be a really fun watch and a really enjoyable
11:37quarterback here this season because just the environment is going to get so much better. And that combines with that he has a short memory. Like he'll make
11:46those mistakes and then oh in the fourth quarter even if I'm down by 13 points I see a one-on-one shot, I'm taking it.
11:53And I I again I think that's a great mentality to have. Just to go quickly into the structural environment he had
11:59last year. The Titans were first in the NFL with 78% of their snaps being in 11 personnel. Okay. While using shifts and
12:06motions at the second lowest rate in the league and then they were under center just 25% of the time. That was 24th in
12:13the league and also number one in 3x1 sets. So everything was vanilla.
12:18Everything was a bit static. It was a bit stationary. It wasn't creative at all. It didn't feel like he had a bunch
12:24of open receivers once he hit the end of his drop. And then when he did fire it into these tight windows or downfield
12:29shots or one-on-one stuff, he didn't get a ton of help in a lot of those situations. And then when other things
12:35did go well, he held it on too long and had some misses on top of it. So again, it was like this circular cycle that was
12:43kind of self-eing at this point. And uh you just couldn't escape that during his rookie season.
12:47>> And the defense was bad. So hopefully the defense add a lot of players on defense plus Robert Salah that hopefully
12:53like he can stay ahead of the change.
12:54You can get a little bit different of of an offense. I think traits wise like I'd be curious if you have like a good comp
12:59for like a high-end outcome. Jordan Love is kind of like the northstar for me just like as a prospect. That's still
13:05the path I'm hoping he takes. And I think that Jordan Love flashes a little bit of athleticism but nothing too crazy. He's just going to win by having
13:13crazy arm talent. I just think that when Jordan Love saw the field after sitting for a little bit, he was just kind of a
13:20lot further ahead on this this timeline than Cam Ward. Remember, Cam Ward's an air raid guy. Uh so I think there could
13:26be a little bit of a transition time.
13:28The underdog picking lobby, it's only at 17 and a half touchdowns here. So like the bar is pretty low just like setting
13:33expectations. And I do fear that how intriguing his five ten best plays of the year is a little bit kind of, you
13:42know, coding over like what happened on a play by play basis. So I I had a lot of fun watching him. I really hope he's
13:48good. Uh I'm maybe kind of have my eyes towards 2027 and 2028 uh rather than like being super optimistic for this
13:56year. week one, I just want the structure to have some semblance to it and then for it to be on him if he fails
14:03versus, you know, a couple times per game, it's on him that he fails, but then many others that someone is slipping or sliding or blowing a block
14:11or dropping a pass and >> uh give him a platform to uh have a real chance for for multiple weeks. The other
14:17part of this though, and it's kind of been swept under the rug this off seasonason, is that he suffered a shoulder injury during the final game of
14:26the season, uh he did avoid surgery on this right AC joint sprain, his throwing shoulder. Um I'm sure everyone believes he's going to be perfectly healthy
14:34entering the year, but that is something that obviously when you prepare for the draft, you don't have as much time as
14:40other quarterbacks do uh getting ready for a season and preparing for that. And then right now, whatever time he does miss, uh, that is also kind of impacting
14:50whatever potential year two jump you can have. All right, before we get to the next name, our goal this year and even
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15:26who has hit that button and watched it over the last 5 years. Let's put it that way. All right. The other first round
15:31quarterback, Jackson Dart, from your favorite team, the New York Giants, right now being selected as quarterback 12, the 10th pick of the eight eighth
15:40round. When you went back and watched Jackson Dart, what did you see? I think there's a pretty promising player with Jackson Dart. Just looking at it
15:48statistically real quick, 13th in EPA per play, 17th in success rate per play.
15:53I'm using per play because a lot of the stuff is based off what he did as a rusher. It was the second most total
15:58EPA, only trailing Josh Allen on the ground. I do think that's here to stay for the most part because he is he's
16:05quite the athlete. I think comfortably he's a top 10 athlete among starters in the NFL. We're not talking about Jaden Daniels. We're not talking about Josh
16:14Allen that next tier down, I do think Jackson Dar is firmly in there and that provides a floor. He has a ways to go as
16:21a passer, but when I'm watching like shake Zack Bond uh in open field uh putting his head down, uh he was like
16:27splitting defenders on tape, I think that's a real stuff that's going to buy him time to get more comfortable uh as a
16:34passer where I think that he has pretty decent arm talent. It's nothing fantastic. I think he can throw the ball on the run. He's pretty dang accurate.
16:42He's aggressive. So, he's like ninth in PFS big time throw rate. He doesn't have crazy arm strength. I think that's average, maybe even teetering towards
16:51like maybe even below average like among like NFL starting uh calibers. So, I think that puts him like I think stylistically similar to Russell Wilson,
16:58but just does not have the same exact velocity on his throws. But, I do think we have a foundation here. I think it is
17:04worth noting out uh noting that he didn't play with Malik Neighbors last year. like the infrastructure around him, I would say was not.
17:10>> Yeah. And he might not again this year, but I'm hopefully the offensive line plays better. They added a firstrounder.
17:16Andrew Thomas gets back and actually like fully healthy to go. Uh that the infrastructure around him is a little bit better because if you're looking at
17:22the infrastructure versus his results, pretty good season for Jackson Dart.
17:28>> Infrastructure though, you're kind of talking about the players around him because I would say actually the the scheme that was created for him did
17:35accentuate a lot of his strengths. Do you agree?
17:37>> I agree. Yeah. I mean, Brian Dable just like did not care if he was going to be in the concussion 10 at all. Like, he
17:42had to go win those those games. And for fantasy purposes, like that was that was awesome. And he ended up being a low-end
17:47quarterback one uh down the stretch there. I just think that the the scheme uh passing wise and there was a lot of
17:54like drop passes from Theo Johnson, which now they have Isaiah Likely. Uh some drop balls from Darius Sllayton.
18:00Hopefully that's Malik Neighbors and Darnell Mooney. Hopefully can catch some more passes. and then the offensive line was really injured in the red area. They
18:07couldn't move. They didn't have anybody to win one-on-one situations. I don't think we're going to have that perfectly this year, but still the fact that
18:13Jackson Dar was able to escape and have like league average stats on like the advance metrics despite all that I think
18:19is pretty promising here.
18:21>> To me, what I love about him is that he has the same level of confidence in his teammates as he does in himself.
18:29>> Like he trusts his guys. He gives them a chance even if he shouldn't based on a lot of the things that you said. So, I
18:33think with better players, more plays will be made. Now, I also believe there's a question if he has better players around him this year. Definitely
18:42on the offensive line, like that matters a lot. And we'll get into the offensive line element in a little bit, but we
18:47need Malik Neighbors like a true number one to be on the field for a long stretch of the season and at his best
18:53because that makes a difference. And if not, you're kind of going in this roleplayerish range, which can be a bit high variance, and it doesn't really
19:02necessarily change and dictate what the defense is going to do. Uh, I agree with you that leading off with his mobility
19:11is the right way of doing this. And then that will buy him time uh to hopefully develop more as like your typical top
19:19tier quarterback passer or like above average quarterback passer. because to me I was a bit nervous of like how often his eyes dropped but
19:30in that area he did have the athleticism to avoid the pressure. There was a lot of movement in that to like again that's
19:39how he was able to kind of change the numbers in the secondary. One of his favorite plays this year was for the
19:46pass rush to get upfield him to climb up. There were these two sitting linebackers over the middle of the field. One or both would then converge
19:55on him so he doesn't scramble for eight tards and then he would just loft the ball over their heads and there would be
20:01like your inbreaker, your dig route, even if it was kind of an extended play, not necessarily in the structure of an
20:09offense. So you got a whole bunch of those kind of extended plays that on a weekly basis you wonder if they could,
20:16>> you know, repeat themselves week on week. he did. Then I do wonder if defenses are going to kind of change how
20:23they cover him a little bit more this season.
20:26>> Yeah. Yeah. I think that would be the the the bad outcome. I do think that he's just such a good athlete that I
20:31think that's just going to be the reality for Jackson Dart for like the next 5 to 10 years. Um and I I do think
20:36that he's he's an NFL starter and I have like no questions that the Giants are going to commit to him for a very long
20:40time. I thought like the the the floor here was was pretty solid. Uh, I think he's definitely on this Russell Wilson,
20:48Jaylen Herz, I'll throw out, you know, Bo Nicks type of spectrum here where you have a good athlete. There's some very
20:55clear things where if you're an offensive coordinator, you want to be gravitating towards and then hopefully Jackson Dar can get more familiar inside
21:02the pocket. I was looking at some of the splits. His red zone numbers were horrific and there was he had a fumble.
21:08He was trying trying to make too many plays out of structure. I think going back and watching all of them, there are
21:13some elements like he did not have a one-on-one guy and that's huge in uh the red area. And then also he had the worst
21:19splits against two high shells versus not. And I think both of those red zone, two high shells, the best quarterbacks, you got to have the right path
21:28instantaneously. Throw it on the money, know where you're going to be, very decisive, and then it's also helpful to have somebody that you can throw the
21:33ball to consistently. That's where he struggles. And there was just too many times the Saints won one of the worst reps by any quarterback. A dig route, I
21:41mean, wide open. The offensive line is doing their job. He's staring at the guy he should be throwing the ball to. Kind
21:46of breaks out from there, misses them, fumble. There's another play where a dig routes coming open, laid on it, then that turns to an interception. He does
21:54not have the best eyes right now. And that was some of the thing the concern of of playing in a Lane Keifin offense
22:01where things are a little bit more halffield ready. Now, the positive thing is with experience, that's the type of thing that hopefully can get better.
22:09Like all of a sudden, like an unathletic quarterback is just not going to become a great athlete. Where I do think
22:14there's maybe some more progression with Jackson Dart as he gets away from the air ready lean kein offense into a more
22:20structured hard ball under center play action offense, which he's not. This is not what he's used to at all. Um, but I
22:26do think three years from now, if you can just see the field a little bit better, the other tools are are locked
22:31and loaded. So, that's why I'm taking a pretty optimistic look here. We've talked about this often, but so frequently rushing and mobility at
22:39quarterback is linked to a player ceiling when it really should be linked to their floor. Because in this case, like you were talking about the floor
22:47being just his ability to buy himself not only time in a play, but in his career to learn more and become a viable
22:58passer from the pocket in the structure of everything because that is what translates year-over-year. It's fascinating that you mentioned Russell Wilson. I know you did on Twitter as
23:07well because that's an interesting comparison from the angle that you brought it up, but also because there was a period of time where everyone in,
23:15you know, the football cognizante said, "Let Russ Cook, give him the keys to the offense, run less, throw more, that's the highest EPA, that's where the big
23:24plays come from, all that type of stuff." But then when you listen to all the Seahawks that now maybe have podcasts from that era, uh, and also,
23:33you know, you talk to someone like Michael Shawn Dugar who does a fantastic job covering that team, >> Russell was able to have those late game
23:41moments because of the running game.
23:44Like you didn't have to rely on Russell Wilson to carry your offense on every single series because he wasn't going to
23:51stand there and read it out play after play. And on some level, the Giants are kind of using those same buzzwords this
23:58off seasonason a bit. Like reading between the lines, top 12 pick on an offensive lineman. They were in on all the big-time running backs according to
24:06Jordan Ranon. When you talk about Ken Walker to Travis ETN to hoping to draft Jeremiah Love even despite all that, you
24:13listen to Harbaugh and Matt Naggie and everyone saying quote, "We want to run the football." And then when we get into
24:19favorable situations, this is my conclusion from them. Then that's where you can get these, you know, moments of magic from him. Yep. You can ask Jackson
24:27Dart to like have a cool ass play three or four times a game versus asking him to do it 13 to 14 times.
24:36>> Correct.
24:36>> Per game. So yeah, to me he's more of like a see it, throw it kind of guy. And that's why again when I talked about
24:43having the rush converge and him using his athleticism to not just go north and south but also east and west and
24:48elonging elongating these plays that allows the coverage to get stretched out to the play to kind of break down and then he can and he makes some really
24:56cool decisions with that. Like he really does reset and like >> you know push past the ball and do all this flick of the wrist. But then it
25:02also goes into why he was to me such a bummer inside of the red zone because everything is so condensed in that area.
25:09that you really can't stretch everything out that it's much more difficult to elongate those snaps. And then that's when you kind of have to play on time in
25:16rhythm and everything of that sort. And uh that's where I'm going to look immediately in weeks one through three and see if that has progressed.
25:24>> Yeah. And usually when we're like he's not reading things out properly, usually that comes with and he had 14 interceptions and he was making all
25:31these brutal mistakes. he was just like turning things down, not like necessarily making a bunch of bad decisions like and just like forcing a
25:39bunch of passes that he had no business doing. So maybe that's like on the grand scheme of things a slight plus. I I
25:46think that he can be Bo Nicks and like that's the secondyear leap and then all of a sudden we're kind of talking about
25:52him a little bit differently. I think he's very clearly going to be an NFL starter. And I do think there's like a
25:56Jaylen Herz type of ceiling that you can kind of grow into. And I'm hoping that as he gets more experience, just saying
26:02just like we saw with Jaylen Herz over his Eagles career, then you know, three years into this, all of a sudden you
26:06have like, all right, the athletes awesome and he's at least can throw the ball down the football field and it's on
26:11the OC to kind of make things better and you have >> and the playmakers around him like it's kind of >> it it turns into like an environmental
26:17situation like do you have a future head coach that we really like as a play caller or is it one of these bums that
26:23gets fired after a year? Do you have Dvonte Smith and AJ Brown and Dallas Goddard >> and is your offensive line playing well
26:29as your running game doing it?
26:30>> Yes, I agree. Um, long story short for me, if I was redoing the NFL draft, he would be my first overall player from
26:37from last year. Interesting. So, >> um, I I think it's an awesome pick for the Giants, they should be very happy
26:41about where this thing was initially.
26:44And then I would say don't expect the craziest secondyear leap because we're going into a brand new offense. Like you said, under center play action, which I
26:51do think you can do. the Bow Knicks, roll them out, throw the ball down the football field. Same thing with Russell
26:55Wilson. Like we talked about here, he just hasn't done that a whole lot. So, I wouldn't be surprised if this season
27:01feels very similar to last season, maybe with a little bit less rushing. And then 2027 is the year where things all right,
27:06Malik Neighbors is healthy. I'm used to this offense and then we can kind of see the the upside case here. But a really
27:12good athlete, man. Like you could just cannot underell that part of this.
27:15>> There was one moment when he did play with Malik Neighbors. This play kind of stood out to me versus all the others.
27:20like again dropping his eyes. A three-level play where Malik Neighbors literally puts up a mailbox. He's on the deepest kind of corner route and it goes
27:30back to what we're saying that it didn't lead in an interception or a weward throw. He turned it down and instead in
27:36this case ran into a sack and other times, you know, it turned into a run of eight yards or a scramble laterally to
27:42buy more time and then everyone kind of plays backyard football and then you flip it for for a big game on top of
27:47that. So, I have no idea what Matt Naggie is going to bring to this approach. Uh, I would have been much
27:52more excited if it was Todd Monkin uh as his offensive coordinator, which was, you know, the the hope all around when
27:58Harbaugh was hired as coach. And obviously now he's the >> head coach for Shador Sanders, who we'll talk about here in a moment. At the very
28:03least, if he has three quality offensive linemen in front of him and they have really good blocking, then that again already gives you a platform for for
28:11success that you can even have more fun and your athleticism can shine even more from that, too.
28:17>> All right, agree.
28:19>> I'll still take Kam Ward, but we'll see.
28:20This will be a telling season. Okay, quarterback three and actually quarterback two in your drafts. That is Tyler Shuck of the New Orleans Saints.
28:27Uh we talked about him on a recent show, but we'll dive even deeper right now.
28:31quarterback 19, the seventh pick of the 10th round at this moment. By the way, you all can be drafting all these
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28:59he took over in about week eight.
29:01>> Very competent football player here.
29:03Now, that comes with the territory being a 26-year-old. I I get it. But I see all the tools to be an NFL average starter.
29:11And I think that for the Saints, like you're looking at a complete bargain here, second rounder on a rookie cont uh
29:16contract. And uh all the additions that they made this off season, I think you felt that being the weaknesses of this
29:23offense the last year. I thought there was some reps where if it wasn't going to Chris Alavven, he was trying to go to
29:28the next tier of players. Those guys weren't coming open. Uh and then I also thought there was some pressure on the
29:34the interior offensive line. You bring in a veteran. Uh add Jordan Tyson. We liked Oscar Delp a little bit yards after the catch, a different type of
29:41player than Jawan. And I can see how this thing kind of comes together. I can tell that Kell Moore liked what he was
29:47seeing from Tyler Shuck. Uh Tyler Shuck plays a very conservative brand of football. he's willing to throw the ball over the middle, but if he doesn't like
29:55it, he's going to quickly get to his checkown and throw the ball underneath.
29:59Uh there was a little bit of antsiness to him, like he you can feel him just playing really fast. Sometimes that was
30:05a good thing because he can actually make make it through all all of his reads. And then I think other times you
30:09kind of feel some of the antsiness come into play. His numbers against pressure were pretty bad. But otherwise, I thought had a pretty quality season. And
30:17I think that this intermediate 5 to 15 kind of yard window, I thought Tyler Shucks showed a lot there. And while you
30:24didn't get to it a lot, there's some level of athleticism here. He surprised the Bucks a couple times. Uh zone read
30:30scrambling. I'm completely shocked. I'm sure Todd BS is still furious about it.
30:34Uh and then he can throw on the run a little bit here. So there's some warts to his game I think is going to prevent
30:39him from having a big time ceiling here.
30:42Is the pathway to him being, you know, hopefully Ryan Tanahill right there for the taking? I think that's absolutely a play.
30:48>> He's easily in the best situation and it's not just last season he was in the best situation. It's also this year.
30:53>> Uh you can clearly tell that Kell Moore has a vision of what he wants an offense to be. And you know, this goes back to
31:00his time with the Cowboys and the Chargers and the Eagles. We always talk about pace. We always talk about amount of plays. But you know, he had the
31:08answers here for Tyler Shuck. And you could argue he had the answers for Spencer Rattler as well. I think if you're talking about time to throw, they
31:14were two of the four quickest time to throws uh across the league. So again, that's the vision of who they are. But
31:21then how can you upscale that? How can you upgrade that? This year, you talked about it. They had some really nice
31:27designed open stuff, whether it was like a fake screen that leaked out or open extra protection or rub routes on these
31:34vertical routes. But then it goes to the personnel. Like you bring in David Edwards at left guard so you don't have
31:42instant losses at that spot to not spook your quarterback. You bring in Travis ETN to be the starting running back when
31:48you had to turn two late round guys last year. Jordan Tyson to be an outside ISO winner. Uh and then Oscar Delp as you
31:56said to be a real inline presence, but also athleticism after the catch that you can just flip it to on those time to
32:03throw routes. So like while I believe that the Saints offensive line because they still had, you know, two first rounders plus some other guys and then
32:11Chris Ave gave him a combo to have the most chances to play in timing and in the structure of the three guys we've
32:17already talked about already that can even be ramped up even more and lean into the things he does well this season. That that gives him a
32:26springboard to have like a really nice even second gear to it. Even if you would say like in a vacuum to use that
32:34phrase, maybe his traits and his play style don't necessarily give like a huge secondyear leap in comparison to Cam Ward and Jackson Dart, if that makes
32:43sense.
32:44>> Yeah, I think that his arm talent in general is just rock solid. I think his accuracy is fine. I will note that his
32:51uh catchable ball rate and success rate on 20 plus air yards was among the worst in the NFL. Uh his I think he can take
33:00some RPMs and layer throws pretty well and he can even make some throws on the run and then layer them. So I I like
33:05that part of his arm talent. I wouldn't say the ball is like completely being rifled in there all the time, but it
33:11passes every single level to throw the ball down the football field long term.
33:15So I think that the arm talent's fine.
33:16Like we said, the athleticism is fine. I just thought by rookie standards, uh, him throwing the ball over the middle as
33:23often as he did and like working all the way to the checkdown, I thought was was pretty dang impressive. Now, like,
33:28should we expect that from a 26-year-old? Sure. But, I mean, he was executing it. And I I think that there's a a built-in floor here with with Tyler
33:36Shuck. And if we are going to be throwing the ball over the middle and surprising uh players or the the defenders out there, that's kind of like
33:44what like Ryan Tanahill was doing out there. So, that's kind of what I'm hoping for where the Titans can kind of
33:48go on a run because Tan Hill's not overly expensive. They got Derrick Henry. They got competent offensive line play. We like the the head coach and
33:56then all of a sudden you can have like a pretty fun team even if you're not you're going to end up losing to, you
34:01know, the the freakazoid quarterbacks that are out there. So, I mean, >> but this level of quarterback in this system can be a top 15 guy, you know.
34:12>> Yeah, I agree. Oh, yeah. When when you are in the right system surrounded by the right people and your offensive line
34:18stays healthy and it protects you, then you can go on these runs of consistency of knowing where to go with the football
34:23and get it out of your hands that it makes your stats look incredible and it makes your play on the field look in
34:30time, in rhythm, and just successful drive to drive. And >> he's in a potential situation to do that. And that's really the first time
34:38I've said that with all three of these quarterbacks. And so that again that gives him a great platform here. And on
34:44top of that, just as soon as he was inserted in the starting lineup, you could tell he had an understanding of
34:49this offense and that he and Kellen are on the same page and what his strengths are and what his weaknesses are. Like
34:54pre- snap, he >> knows in terms of what the coverage he's looking at on the drop. He's hitting the checklist in terms of reading exactly
35:04which is my zone side, which is my man side. And then once he hits his drop, like the ball is out. And while it
35:10looked kind of boring at times and maybe not as many total peaks as we've talked about with Ward and and Dart,
35:17>> uh you could just hit the next play and hit the next play and hit the next play >> and it was just out out and what I loved
35:25was, you know, a ton of these out routes, these hinges, these curls, these comebacks, all types and the ball was just
35:32>> on time, >> on the moment, exactly where it needed to be. Now, on the opposite end, um I do still have questions about him under
35:41pressure because the sample size is pretty small. Again, the offensive line he played with last year, while it had some holes and they tried to patch that
35:47this year, he had 124 drop backs under pressure last year. 39 completions went under pressure. For example, that's the same number as Justin Fields, JJ
35:57McCarthy, Michael last season.
36:00>> Um and even his adjusted completion percentage under pressure last year is 28 in the NFL. Now, is it to the point
36:06like it was at Louisville when you had those highlight reel or low lightss where he would just like get rid of the
36:12football? No. Like he he showed a lot more strength in that situation and willingness to take shots in those situations. But then there were still
36:21moments like against the Rams for example where it was just a simple four-man rush and he just you could see the discomfort on his face and he popped
36:32it to Shahed in double coverage and it should have been an interception or against the Dolphins like it was a train
36:36wreck of a first half. They confused him. They got him second guessing. He was throwing into driving defenders.
36:42They were down 16 nothing I believe at one point and then even to close it out the interception the two-point attempt
36:47to tie it deep into the fourth quarter.
36:49So, while you can tell that he and Kell Moore have answers and he knows what his answers are be and they have a really
36:55good plan heading into these, I do have some concerns of if he goes in these contests and he is surprised, not just
37:02for series but entire games, then I'm not sure if he has like just the tools right now or the ability right now as a
37:1027year-old quarterback soon to be to then like flip that switch and like put the team on his back.
37:15>> I see it the same exact way. just the internal clock feels very fast and then he can feel a little bit antsy. Uh his
37:21pressure to sack ratio on top of those other metrics was second worst in the NFL is only uh better than Gino Smith
37:27last year. So not only was he not not completing passes, he was just like straight up taking too many sacks on top
37:33of that. This was like the thing that we had more concerns with on his Louisville tape. I will say this, he is tough. Like
37:40I think in Louisville you can be like is he tough enough to hang in the NFL?
37:43there was a plenty of reps where he was taking big shots and delivering it. It was just that he would play kind of
37:49quick and then he'd have some bad decisions there. So, I I saw him playing more too quick rather than like being
37:54fooled. Uh and I I do wonder if like you said ultimately the trades are going to be a tier below where it needs to be to
38:04like really really take off here. But that said, I just think that he does a lot of the the more difficult things as
38:10a rookie quarterback. I think he does that at a pretty nice level. So, I think the Saints right now, they would have to
38:16take like a top 10 pick to to pry pry them away from Tyler Shuck. I think we're re reddrafting. I think he's
38:21easily going well into the first half of of round one and they got him uh what 41st overall or whatever it was. Yeah,
38:29he looks like a 27y old quarterback and like by that I mean he frequently guys on their second contract kind of look
38:36the comfort level that he has right now in terms of >> uh playing out the scheme of of an offense. Um and for him it's the same
38:44same number of positives.
38:46>> Um I I mentioned with Cam Ward and I should have said this with Jackson Dart as well, the motioning and shifting
38:52percentage. oftentimes that's, you know, coaches being scared of putting too much on the plate of a rookie quarterback. So like Dart, uh, he was 32nd last year
39:02with 46% of motion shift plays. Cam Ward 28th, 54%. Uh, Tyler Shuck in the Saints team, sixth most, 70% of snaps. So that
39:13shows again not just a confidence in this is the scheme we're running and I'm gonna get my guys prepared, but also
39:19Tyler Shuck to, you know, get to the line of scrimmage in time and command a huddle enough and uh get people in the
39:25right positions for for all of that to unfold. So like if Jordan Tyson hits as a top 15 pick that he is, if Oscar
39:32Delpch flashes athleticism, if David Edwards is a quality left guard signing, and then if Travis Achan can step in there and be a reliable runner, then
39:43you're already like using last season as almost the floor and then hoping that this becomes even better. And I think that's why that the Saints are becoming
39:52such a uh invogue pick as >> people Cinderella team of the season.
39:57Yep. I see it the same exact way. Do you think there's like a little like Daniel Jones to this all? I think Daniel Jones
40:03a little bit better of an athlete, but I think but you can build a decent offense around Daniel Jones and uh I think that
40:10a quality coach can kind of get the most out of Daniel Jones. I can see Chuck kind of falling into that category.
40:15>> Okay. I wanted to ask you this question.
40:17Um since this is a fantasy program, which of these ADPs do you like the most? Do any of them do you like the
40:26least? Are you drafting all of them with confidence? I understand stacking and all that type of stuff. Uh because we just talked about discussing ADPs and
40:33the markets would tell you that round 10 is pretty rich here for Tyler Shuck uh just in terms of his projected
40:40touchdowns this year and the Saints overall. But again, we know that uh multiple teams every single year throw their projections in uh the markets
40:48faces out there and uh overperform.
40:50Let's say >> I think the Saints I think they're 22nd in projected points. that feels too low.
40:54Tyler Shuck on underdog right now, he's projected for just 19 and a half passing touchdowns. I like taking the higher there. The ADP gets me a little bit more
41:02nervous just because he's surrounded by guys that can like run around a lot. So like Malik Willis goes in the next
41:07round. Kyler Murray would be my favorite in this round. I think that Kyler Murray is going to like easily win that job
41:12with the Vikings. You get the Kevin Oonnell infrastructure plus Kyler Murray's like a legit threat rushing where Tyler Shuck, you know, he was uh
41:20what was it? quarterback 23, quarterback 25 in in rushing yards this last season.
41:24I don't expect that to kind of take over. So, I I think we appreciate what Tyler Shuck is. I think this ADP feels
41:30like a round or two too heavy. I would definitely have him over Cam Ward in fantasy though, like for this upcoming
41:36season. And that's how the markets are.
41:38I just think, you know, >> going up one round and, you know, getting Brock Perie or Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence, I would rather just pay
41:45the premium slightly to go up ahead.
41:47Jack Miller posted about this today that quarterback 1880p by year on underdog.
41:52Uh if you go back to you know 2020 that was at 150. It was around that 135 to 150 range over the first four years five
42:00years excuse me. Then if you go to 2025 that was at 129 overall. Again this is for quarterback 18. So your mid-round
42:07quarterback you're again >> stacking them all together. But now your quarterback 18 is going as 110 overall.
42:15Now you compare that to the elite quarterbacks, the early round quarterbacks are kind of going later than ever, too.
42:23>> So that makes me not want to attack this quarterback 18ish range, but instead go up and get one of those elite guys
42:32because we're getting a discount versus what we did last year. And we've talked about it mainly because uh the athletic ones got injured last year.
42:39>> Yes. And that could change instantaneously. I view it the same way.
42:41I will say this, the quarterback 15 to quarterback 25 on underdog has always been too cheap. Every single year I do
42:48fantasy points over replacement and that's a good way to compare things across uh positions using underdog half PPPR scoring. And every single year the
42:57quarterbacks, they rank way higher in that m metric than their ADP. And this is the first year where I can look at
43:04the ADP and then look at fancy points of replacement and everything almost looks identical. The running backs are up, the quarterbacks are up, the wide receivers
43:12are down, and there's like a legit separation across the tight end landscape. I think that Tyler Shuck should be kind of going in this range.
43:20And if he was being priced at at quarterback or like the round 16 range, that would have just been like old
43:25school fantasy where that was just like straight up wrong.
43:28>> Now, the other part of this too is once you get to round 10, you don't really want to take the other position guys.
43:32And so that will, you know, push up >> the quarterbacks 18 through 25, as you're saying, because it's much easier to click those names versus some of the
43:40wide receivers and running backs.
43:42>> Yeah, that's the bad rookie class from this last year. You know, typically there's a bunch of exciting wide receivers and then this year less so.
43:47>> Okay, we'll close with one more quarterback. This is Shador Sanders of the Cleveland Browns. Uh, I'm expecting to get starts this year, not necessarily
43:55because of what he showed during his rookie season, but just because that quarterback room is Deshun Watson and Shador Sanders at this point. Uh,
44:04somehow he continues to just be a lightning rod of a topic. Uh, and now it's your turn to add more fuel to that
44:09fire, Hayden.
44:10>> I don't think Shidor Sanders could play at an NFL starting level. I think that he has a chance to be a career backup.
44:16There's not a statistical argument for him. 37th out of 37 qualifiers in EPA uh per drop back, 36 in success rate. I
44:24think the athletic traits are pretty underwhelming. More backup tier than starting tier. He maybe evaded more tackles than I was expecting. Uh but it
44:32takes a while for him to kind of get up to the top speed. And that's just kind of what a backup quarterback looks like
44:38versus the freakazoid quarterbacks we have in the modern NFL. And then I think that his accuracy I think is good if
44:46like for example he's in the Pro Bowl.
44:47um by mistake and then he's like throwing the ball at a target. Uh I think he's accurate then. The way he
44:53plays now where he's just kind of like wandering around the pocket and out of time then I think the accuracy is like
44:59actually not good and it was surprising.
45:01He had the lowest catchable ball rate uh when once he removed screens. He had the highest interceptable ball rate uh once
45:08you remove screens as well. Pretty tough combo. So I think when we go back to the college profile is like he's super
45:14accurate. I don't know if I can say he's actually super accurate. It might be one of his better traits, but by NFL
45:20starting standards, I would not say that he's accurate. And then I would also just mention there's just way too many negatives. I think everyone kind of
45:26understands that at this point while the coach is like actively trying to hide him. So I think that Deshun Watson's going to run away with this job. And I
45:35think that there's a lot more traits upside traits with Deshun Watson that Shador doesn't have. So maybe by the end of the season everything goes bust and
45:41we see him again. But I think very clearly a backup if he can kind of hold on to that >> if and when he does get on the field.
45:48The number one thing that I'm looking for that will set him up for potential future success is he can't bail out of
45:56the pocket anymore. Like you you can't go in reverse. He has to climb. There were some promising moments not just in
46:03college but in the NFL when he did put his back foot and drive on it and then climb the pocket and then those were his
46:09best moments. But again, that offensive line at Colorado retreated a whole bunch, then he gets to Cleveland continues to retreat and that just
46:19compounds the negative plays on top of it. So, I am with you. I believe the future with Shador Sanders is as a
46:27backup quarterback out there. And like there aren't 32 backup quarterbacks out there, but let's be real. Like, he from talent should be one of the 64 best
46:37quarterbacks in the NFL. What adds on to this though is everything that comes with the Chador Sanders experience, his father, his brother, uh the let's say
46:48the media opportunity and involvement that Todd Monkin is going to be asked about every single time that Shore Sanders uh is a backup quarterback and
46:57Deshun Watson has a bad start out there, the first question in the press conference is going to be, well, is Shador going to be the starter next
47:03week? And that just, you know, is a bit of a drag at times on on the entire franchise. But just when focusing on
47:10him, I believe he's one of the 64 best quarterbacks in the league. He has some areas that he has success. He has some
47:16areas where he wins. But the number one thing that he has to work on to take the next step in just who he is as a player
47:23is because he's going to hold on the football too long. And it does kind of take his I think release and wind up a
47:30bit too long is he has to have more compact movements and to go forward and not to go in reverse.
47:38>> Yeah, I think it got better than where it was at at Colorado this last year.
47:42And like you said, his best moments were actually him stepping up into the pocket and he actually can layer some throws
47:47in. I think that's where his accuracy comes in when he's like throwing almost a change up to the sideline or somebody
47:51kind of sneaking in around. That's where you're going to get the best plays from Shador Sanders. And there's no question like that is his best trait. His best
47:58rep of the season was a free runner. He was responsible. He rolls out to his right and throws the ball down the
48:04football field. And I think that these kind of out of structure moments throwing it with a little bit of pace. I
48:09do think like he has like the the top 64 talent that you're talking about there.
48:12Now, like you get a couple of those reps per game, like the rest of it has to be at a normal level and he has some some
48:19work cut out for him there. Um, do you want to give credit like this off seasonason been extremely quiet like so
48:25far so like that's that's really good for for >> his brothers made the most noise compared to him.
48:29>> Yes. And you know what like his brothers is his own person like Sudor Sanders you can only grade him by the Sudor Sanders
48:34stuff >> and he's better than Dylan Gabriel you know and Dylan Gabriel was drafted ahead of him >> the Dylan Gabriel stuff like he's would
48:41qualify for the show. We agreed we're not even going to get to the Dylan Gabriel stuff. Uh, I will say Shador and
48:46Dylan Gabriel over overlapped on the chart a lot when I was like going through some of the filters. Uh, but just in terms of talent, like you're
48:53talking about two totally different guys there. He's one of these guys as he gets more reps, I think that his, you know,
49:00his plan initially will get a little bit better. His comfort uh, comfortability throwing the ball over the middle will get a little bit better. He's always
49:06wanted to throw the ball over the middle. I think that there's like varying degrees of success with that so far. But I think that's how he becomes a
49:13stable backup quarterback. Um, and I I just think that the Browns are probably looking at this like Deshun Watson's overall talent is just way more obvious
49:23to us. So, we'll at least see if his Achilles is on straight and give him all the reps this off seasonason and I think
49:29well into the season. So, I'm not expecting a whole lot from Shador Sanders, but um he's definitely better.
49:34>> He's definitely better than a fifth rounder. You know, definitely better than a fifth rounder.
49:38>> Okay, that's going to do it. Again, the most fascinating part to me is three quarterbacks that we talked about in the
49:45show last year were going in the top 14 and then just one is going in the top 14 of this year. And uh there going to be
49:52obvious areas of hey can strengths get stronger of these guys and can some weaknesses get to league average or even some cases can weaknesses turn into
50:02strengths. And if that's the case then you know the first two names that we talked about with Cam Warden Jackson Dart you will see like exponential
50:10>> success and production compared to what they did their rookie season.
50:13>> And if we get three starting quarterbacks from this last class where everyone said it's just such a bad class like that's a win. I think that in
50:19general the gap between Ward, Dart, and Shuck has completely narrowed and I think all three of these guys have a pathway they just have to make up for
50:26for their warts. But three quarterbacks starting by the end of the rookie season versus the expectations that we had. I would say if we got one starting
50:33quarterback from last year's class, that would be a win. I think we're on pace to having two or three of them.
50:38>> That's going to do it. Again, this week we're going to talk about secondyear breakouts at every position. So, running backs, tight ends, wide receivers. So,
50:45uh lock into the channel. This is really what a massive part of your fantasy draft is all about. So, you want to
50:51learn about figure out who these players are, what's now surrounding them, and where they're going to go in their second year. So, shout out to Weaves and
50:59Mosho behind the scenes. All of you for watching. Up the bell. We'll talk to you guys next time. See you.
