0:00This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Do the Eagles still have a clear lane to the playoffs without their Hall of Fame right tackle?
0:07Coming up, we have the latest on the stunning news out of Philadelphia.
0:11Who, or is it whom, is leading the league in passing?
0:14Is it time to give Bryce Young his flowers and his contract extension?
0:18And can the Bengals survive without a run game?
0:21Are we asking that again? It's coming up next on the NFL: The Insiders.
0:25And we have new power rankings as well. Nick Shook is here with those.
0:29Welcome to another edition of the NFL Report. We're presented by Nationwide.
0:32It is a Tuesday week five edition. My name is Andrew Siciliano.
0:36Here is what is news to me. Our latest headlines, big news.
0:39Kind of sort of out of nowhere today, although he was a healthy scratch.
0:43Personal reasons on Sunday, Lane Johnson is retiring. The future Hall of Famer, let's just say it that way, the future Hall
0:50of Fame right tackle for the Philadelphia Eagles is done after 14 seasons, six Pro Bowls, two All-Pros, a two-time Super Bowl champion.
0:56Lane Johnson decides to hang it up. This with the Eagles about to ship off to London on Friday to play the Jaguars.
1:03And this with third round rookie, Markel Bell, taking over.
1:06Cam Juergens also, oh, by the way, is in concussion protocol.
1:09And the Eagles lost to the Rams and the offense looked awful this past Sunday.
1:13And yeah, there's that. Nick Shook is with us.
1:16So the Eagles are two and two. Obviously, they think they're going to the playoffs.
1:20They'd like to play for a Super Bowl. But now no Lane Johnson.
1:24Does this just end their chance for a quick offensive turnaround?
1:27It's going to make it a lot more challenging, I think, for this Eagles offense.
1:32And it starts up front, not just with the loss of Lane Johnson, but also you have multiple contributors who are not playing right now.
1:39It hasn't been an offensive line that's been near what we expected.
1:42You know what we've come to know from the Eagles offense in quite some time.
1:47And you're seeing the lack of a running game.
1:49You're seeing in Jalen Hurts not having time to throw.
1:52You're seeing it in their inability to generate offense.
1:55Their output was terrible in this loss to the Rams.
1:58If they were able to just generate a little bit more offense, they would have won this game.
2:03But the bigger picture is now you're missing a Hall of Famer, a right tackle who solidified this offensive line, made for
2:09one of the best tackle tandems in the NFL.
2:12That's gonna be hard to overcome. Yeah, Jordan, my lot on the other side as well.
2:17Also the emotional toll here, certainly that it's taken on Lane Johnson.
2:20He decides to walk away week five, but really on this locker room as well.
2:25Jordan, my lot of also very much a leader, but he is the rock.
2:29Jeff Stoutland, the offensive line coach for so many years, decides to step away and retire in the offseason.
2:34And now this that is a massive hit is it's a massive hit.
2:38And they're gonna have a really hard time overcoming it because the predication of this offense is built on being able to
2:44run the football, especially under Sean Mannion. And they haven't been able to do that so far.
2:49Again, it is the Eagles and the Jaguars coming up Sunday.
2:52That game is at Tottenham. Let's look at the Ravens as they're gonna play on Sunday night.
2:57And Lamar Jackson status is very much up in the air.
3:01Ian Rappaport says that not only is he in doubt this week, he being Lamar, he might be in doubt week six
3:07when the Ravens have to go to Cleveland to play the Browns.
3:10Former Brown, Tyler Huntley is the backup. He is a pro bowler.
3:14Let's not sneeze at that. But they're a better team with Lamar Jackson.
3:18Cowboys are a better team after going into Houston and having an amazing offensive performance in the second half.
3:23Second half, 28 points, nearly 300 total yards. This week, short week, Thursday at home against the Buccaneers.
3:28Todd Bowles pressures. That's what he does, man. And he's one of the best.
3:33You know, one of the best certainly I've gone up against in my career.
3:37Going back to all the spots he's been. You know, this guy's been a head coach or coordinator, I think for 20 something years, man.
3:44He's one of the best. Got some new faces.
3:46That always makes it a little bit challenging. You know, he's got a rookie, Mike linebacker and Trotter.
3:52He's got a rookie nickel, Keontae Scott, but got a rookie edge piece.
3:55So they've got some of the same things that we're dealing with, with young players.
4:00But the minute you think Todd Bowles isn't going to pressure, you're probably making a mistake.
4:04I understand we've got a team coming there winless, how desperate they're going to be.
4:09And it's the NFL and the parity of it.
4:11And just knowing that we've got to go prove it again.
4:15Nobody cares about the win that happened last Sunday.
4:17It's about what we do now. And it's about us putting out our best version of ourselves come Thursday.
4:23All right, that is how we start week five.
4:25We ended week four with the Falcons and the Saints and the 20th anniversary of the dome coming to rebirth.
4:31Steve Gleason block punt there that just one of the most iconic plays in the history of the league.
4:37Let's just put it that way. Michael panics. Bijan Robinson.
4:40Dare I say an iconic offensive performance last night.
4:42This is the third play of the game. Bijan 59 yards.
4:45He ran for a buck 45 and two scores.
4:48He was basically untouched on that. And the Falcons offense did whatever it wanted the entire night.
4:53That was his third 50 yard rushing touchdown on a Monday night, which is just ridiculous.
4:58That's a short one. And then here on a play fake.
5:01This is classic Kevin Stefanski, Bill Callahan play fake rollout hit Jahan Dotson.
5:05The Falcons have scored 80 points in two games.
5:0780 since Michael panics took over. You thought they were going to have the number one overall pick.
5:12Now they're two and two. We knew when we got the ball first, we were like, we got to score on the
5:19first drive, you know, because it was loud out there.
5:22And, you know, whenever you score and you have a big play like that, you kind of quiet it down like a little bit, like you just said.
5:30So it was definitely big to be able to have that third play of the game.
5:34So you lose the Falcons like that. And especially on a Monday night game, it sucks.
5:39There's no nothing you can say. It was, oh man, doesn't suck.
5:43It definitely does. But I do know as a team that we're extremely close and that we're going to keep going and keep our eyes forward.
5:50We have really good leadership and, you know, our leadership on the team, you know, admits that we got to get better.
5:57We have to get better and watch the film and evaluate that.
6:00There's no hiding that. Now we have to. If you started B.
6:03Robinson last night, you probably did well. Bryan Robinson, the former commander, the other Robinson, any Robinson will do, scored three touchdowns.
6:10Bijon had those two. Or Bijon, I mean, again, he heard it both ways.
6:14With Michael Penix, they are a different team. With Cooper Rush, they score eight points a game.
6:19With Michael Penix, they score 40 points a game.
6:21And they're in primetime again coming up on Sunday night.
6:24They get the Ravens. All right, Shook. Are the Falcons the best team in a bad division?
6:29Or are they actually now, with Michael Penix, a good team?
6:33I think they're actually a good team. Like a playoff.
6:35Like a legit, I don't want to play that team.
6:38I mean, the division part is obviously part of the equation.
6:42But I think they're the best team in the NFC South.
6:45And they're a team that has quickly transformed into an offense that can do so many different things.
6:50This is a classic Kevin Stefanski ideal situation. You have an offensive line that is suddenly blocking well and winning at the point of attack.
6:57You have a rushing attack that features two incredible players.
7:00Really one incredible player and a very good spellback in Brian Robinson.
7:04And we used to go back to the days in Cleveland when Nick Chubb was running hard.
7:09Kareem Hunt was spelling him. The offensive line coached by Bill Callahan was one of the best in the NFL.
7:14They could build out with play action and hit guys downfield, whether it was Jarvis Landry or whoever else was on that team.
7:21This time, it's Drake London. It's Kyle Pitts. You can continue to go down the list.
7:26Jahan, Dotson. They all ate last night. And they ate because Kevin Stefanski's offense serves them a very wide spread with plenty of options.
7:33With Alex Van Pelt there as well on the coaching staff.
7:36With Tommy Reese. And Tommy Reese call and plays.
7:38And Austin Hooper playing tight end. Back to follow Stefanski to another team and find success.
7:43All of them following Kevin down there. And for the Saints on the flip side, we'll talk about them a little bit later.
7:50It's just an emotional gut punch after it was such a huge night and all the buildup.
7:55And right out of the gate, the Falcons were the better team.
7:58But the Falcons stopped complaining about getting them in primetime.
8:01You're going to get them. Again, you're also going to get the Bills in primetime.
8:05That is how we end week five. Cross the street from where we stand now.
8:10It's going to be the Bills and the Rams.
8:12Buffalo is coming off Joe Brady's first loss. And one that featured four Josh Allen giveaways.
8:17I've come in not in a good mood regardless.
8:20It's never the result should not determine how I'm feeling about it or how the guys are.
8:25There's a standard by which we play. And we're either playing to that standard or not.
8:29And, you know, look, we may not ever reach what that is.
8:33But it's my job to consistently, you know, set the tone and understand that if we ride a roller coaster of when we win, it's okay.
8:40And when we lose, hey, we got to clean things up.
8:43Then we're going to ride a roller coaster all year.
8:46And so it obviously wasn't good enough, you know, and we didn't find a way to go 1-0.
8:52But it's not just about the result. It's about all the other stuff that kind of showed up within the game.
8:58Again, they play Monday night in L.A. The Bengals, meantime, are one of the seven 1 o'clock Eastern time games.
9:03On Sunday, they are in Miami. Remember when the Bengals were 2-0?
9:07Now they are 2-2 and they can't run the ball again.
9:10Same old song. 23 carries or 23 yards on 15 carries against the Jaguars.
9:14Joe Burrow says his answer is to throw it even more, Zach Taylor?
9:18Through four weeks, you're finding what your identity is going to be for the year, you know.
9:23And so I think first quarter of the season, you got a snapshot of, okay, here's some things that we can continue to emphasize.
9:30Here's some things that we need. And so we have to improve at them.
9:34We can't just abandon them and find what our identity is going to be these last three quarters of the season.
9:40And like you mentioned, we've got a bunch of experience doing that.
9:44We don't hesitate to put our ego in front of anything and say, well, we said this.
9:48And so this is what we're going to hammer home.
9:51We'll be smart enough to adjust and do what's best for our offensive score points.
9:56Burrow said he wants to throw the ball more after throwing it 54 times on Sunday.
10:00Now, granted, they lost to Marceus, concussion protocol, T.
10:03Higgins, abductor injury. His stat is very much up in the air on Sunday.
10:07But we spent the entire offseason going, oh, they're going to be under center, right?
10:11It's the play-action game. Stop putting Joe Burrow back there and shotgun 50 times a game.
10:16And then all of a sudden, look where we are.
10:19Yeah, they're going to be more multiple. They're going to be able to do so many different things offensively.
10:24It's not just going to be T. Higgins and Jamar Chase.
10:28Unfortunately, we reverted back to what they used to be, which is throw the ball plenty and do it without Jamar Chase,
10:34who left this game to be tested for a concussion.
10:37Eventually loses T. Higgins as well. And you see the product, the result.
10:41The thing is that really frustrates me or at least mystifies me with this team right now is they can run the football.
10:47They ran it well earlier this season. It's just that in this game in particular, every time they had a nice little
10:54run, it got called back by a hold. You can see it right here.
10:58Samaj P. Ryan with a nice touchdown run where I thought this game was about to swing.
11:03It's coming back because of a holding penalty. That's how you become one-dimensional as an offense.
11:07And I love Joe Burrow. I think he's a fantastic quarterback, and that's all great that he wants to throw it a billion times.
11:14But that's just not winning football. So they've got to find a way to balance this out as they move forward.
11:21Yeah, they get the Dolphins this week. Not to say anything.
11:24They get right game. They get right game. Also, the Jaguars low-key have a great run defense.
11:29Not just defense overall with Anthony Cappanelli calling the shots, but a great run defense.
11:33I think it's been like a year since the back has had 85 yards against them.
11:38So that's part of the equation as well. But when you lose Jamar Chase and T.
11:42Higgins, clearly things change. Things have changed as well in Houston.
11:45Why? How? For who? For what? They're 0-4. Are they turning it around?
11:49We're back with that after this, the NFL Report.
11:52You're watching the NFL Report. Let's try to unpack what happened in Cleveland with the Steelers this past Thursday.
11:57Aaron Rodgers yelling at the sideline. If you're reading lips, you know that Mike McCarthy said something that he would later say,
12:04listen up, a grandfather, I probably should not be saying those things.
12:07Yeah, that. He said that. Back at him. And then yesterday, Mike McCarthy talked about cleaning house.
12:12Full context, he meant like cleaning everything up, not getting rid of people.
12:16We need to clean our own house. Our house is not clean right now.
12:20And I get it. It's week five. So you're hard-pressed to find a team or two that feels really good about where they are right now.
12:28And that's the norm. So we're going to stay after the focus of what we need to work on.
12:33So that's what this weekend was about for me.
12:36And we've been working on it as a coaching staff.
12:39And we'll have clear factors of what we need to do as far as cleaning our house.
12:44And then we'll get ready to go beat Indianapolis.
12:46I mean, that's the plan. I think the context here is very important.
12:50In the long answer, he didn't say he wanted a clean house.
12:53He said they need to take care of the things inside their house because clearly there are a lot of issues.
13:00And McCarthy also said, Nick, on the long weekend there on the mini-bye, that he spoke to Aaron Rodgers a lot.
13:06Oh, multiple times. So where are they now as they get ready?
13:09I mean, if he wanted a clean house, he could fire his quarterback for insubordination maybe.
13:14But I don't think they're going to do that because that wouldn't be good for football.
13:18Can they fire all the wide receivers for lack of separation?
13:22Yeah, except for DK late in that game. I mean, Jeremy Fernard maybe.
13:25He beat Tyson Campbell. That's not the issue. The issue is that this is a team that doesn't take care of details.
13:32This is a team that doesn't find consistency offensively.
13:34They don't go to their best player, who is Jalen Warren, who has been their best player all season.
13:40They don't do it nearly enough, especially against defenses that lack the personnel up front to stop him.
13:45And they've lacked an identity. They've failed to find it so far.
13:49But I do think that they're walking into a situation in which everything can be figured out and all the drama and
13:55everything else that people were worried about with the Steelers can go away very quickly because they're facing that man right there,
14:01Daniel Jones, who, while we have a lot of appreciation for what he does well, he has a problem with turnovers that
14:08has reared its ugly head so far this season.
14:10If any defense is going to be capable of capitalizing on that, it's the Steelers' front.
14:15It's a front that's attacking. It's a front that can cause pressure.
14:18And if they can cause pressure, sacks, force fumbles, and then capitalize, I think they'll be able to win this game.
14:25Again, it is the Steelers at home against the Colts here.
14:28Indianapolis is coming back from London without a bye.
14:30Second straight year, the Steelers have had a home game against a team that comes back from London without a bye.
14:36For all the Steelers fans that complain about their schedule, I am just saying.
14:41All right, let's move on here to my favorite segment.
14:43And it's time for we're all shook up. He's not dressed like Elvis.
14:47There is no leisure suit. There is no wig.
14:50But Nick Shook's takeaways after week four. You are all shook up about the Saints defense.
14:54Yeah, maybe they need a wig, a little incognito, you know, fix the hair a little bit.
14:59I mean, they definitely didn't show up last night.
15:02That's for sure. They did not stop the run as we covered with the Falcons.
15:06They ran all over this defense. And unfortunately, for as good as Tyler Shook has been, he couldn't overcome it either.
15:12He was pressured on 49% of his dropbacks in that game.
15:16Against a Falcons team that hasn't really been known for generating much of a pass rush.
15:20They did it really well. That's actually the team that actually has his number the worst.
15:25All three of his highest pressured career games are against the Falcons.
15:28So maybe there's just something to that rivalry. He did do pretty well, 13-22 for 146 yards and a touchdown under pressure.
15:35But this is not winning football. And it starts on the defense.
15:38They have to be able to stop the run and then go back to Shook, get them more opportunities so we can find success.
15:45I mentioned earlier, are the Falcons the best team in a bad division?
15:49We do not forget about the Panthers here. They are quite a good team.
15:53They put on a clinic on Sunday night. Bryce Young leads the NFL in passing.
15:57Crazy. This is the year 2026, and Bryce Young is leading the league in passing.
16:02Don't start the MVP talk yet. I'm not ready to get that.
16:05I'd pay him. Yes, they should pay him. They absolutely should get to the negotiating table and work out a contract with him.
16:12Because if he continues at this rate, it's going to cost him a lot more money this offseason.
16:17The key to this has been their receiving core.
16:20They lost Jalen Coker. He finds a great connection with Tedaroa McMillan.
16:23They're able to run the ball effectively with Chuba Hubbard.
16:26And it's the passes over the middle of the field like that one to Ted McMillan for a touchdown.
16:32He is so poised and confident in year three under Dave Canales.
16:35He's making decisions on time with conviction. He's navigating the pocket well.
16:39Everything's going well for them right now. I love watching Bryce Young play football.
16:43I got to see them in person a couple of weeks ago.
16:46He's dealing as almost like a middle infielder moving around.
16:49And that was his worst game. Yeah. I mean, held under the Panthers were held under 20 points.
16:54I think they score 30 or more in every other game.
16:58All right. The Texans are still winless. Kind of like the Dolphins.
17:01You know, it's the Titans this week for them.
17:04I'm not saying it's an automatic win. But, I mean, they need it more than any team in the NFL not named the Chargers.
17:11This is the best possible matchup they could have gotten on the schedule this week, given what they've struggled with so far,
17:17which is the inverse of what was usually their issue.
17:20It's no longer CJ Stroud. He played a fantastic game against the Cowboys, and they came up short.
17:25He let them down the field for a late score, and the defense couldn't hold up.
17:30That is not the Texans' reputation. They are not a team that gives up late scores.
17:34But in the last few games, that's all they've done defensively is give up big plays.
17:39You go back to the loss to Cincinnati. Cincinnati didn't move the ball consistently, but they hit big play after big play.
17:45And once Dak Prescott and the Cowboys got into a rhythm, they hit tons of big plays.
17:50CeeDee Lamb, a little bit to George Pickens. This is the first time they've started 0-4 under D'Amico Ryans.
17:56Only one team in NFL history has made the playoffs after starting 0-4.
18:00So they've got to really climb out of this quickly.
18:03Okay, we did not plan this. That is a hack of a transition.
18:06You're a talented broadcast professional. That team would be the Chargers.
18:10Can we get to them? Because they, too, are 0-4.
18:12I honestly don't know what's going on. Just listen to this exchange on Monday.
18:17This is a beat writer who's there every day with Jim Harbaugh asking why, and I'm going to paraphrase here, after two
18:23and a half years with him in charge, neither he nor the recently hired Mike McDaniel can protect and elevate Justin Herbert.
18:29That just sounds more like an insult than it does a question.
18:33But, I mean, that's the way you look at it.
18:36But I'm saying that, yeah, it's the kind of competitor that he is.
18:39I've never seen him flinch. I've never seen him rattled.
18:42He's an amazing inspiration, and that's what we do.
18:45We all feed off of that. I know the entire team does.
18:48And you asked me what gives me optimism, what gives me hope with this football team, because I see that throughout the entire team.
18:55And, yeah, we attack. We improve. Can't improve everything all at once.
18:59But we can improve one thing at a time, all the time.
19:02And that's what this team is doing. It wasn't an insult.
19:06I'm just asking him. It's the third season now.
19:08He's still among the most pressured to get quarterbacks.
19:11I'm just asking you why. I think that answers your question.
19:14Can I answer it the same way? You can answer it the same way.
19:18I don't think you answered it, but you can answer it.
19:21I think I did. Okay, by the end of the game, when the Chargers, to be fair, did make a run after
19:28starting so poorly, on the road against the Super Bowl champions, for what it's worth.
19:32They had four rookies on the offensive line because of all the injuries, one of whom, Jake Slaughter, was really playing out of position at guard.
19:40He's initially a center, or he was in college at Florida.
19:43So there's that there as well. But that's a lot to unpack.
19:46It's a lot. And the problem is it's the same issues that are rearing their ugly head.
19:51You talk about protecting and elevating Justin Herbert. They lose so many offensive linemen.
19:55They're right back in the bad plays that they were in in years past, where Herbert's got to play hero.
20:01Except this time, in this offense, he's operating in a complex scheme that he still hasn't found his footing in.
20:07And this is a scheme that Mike McDaniel, his reputation, was as a great run game designer.
20:12Well, when you don't have a healthy offensive line, you can't really get the run game going, which puts more pressure on
20:18Justin Herbert to try to find success. Instead, he's forcing throws.
20:21He's trying to do too much. And it's bringing the entire offensive operation down.
20:25So, you know, you think about how do you fix this?
20:29Well, you can't just magically get healthy on the offensive line.
20:32You've got to settle your quarterback. You've got to give him some layups early in the next game in order to get
20:38him settled and kind of comfortable as they try to dig their way out of this early hole.
20:43You thought you would give him a layup? I mean, that's logically what you do for any quarterback to start a game.
20:50He got picked off on the very first play in Seattle.
20:53And before the Keyboard Warriors could say something snarky on social media, Sam Darnold got picked off on the very first Seahawks play.
21:00Coming up next, do Patriots fans still hate you?
21:02Yes. Okay. Where are the Patriots in Nick Shook's latest power rankings?
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21:42He's a self-loathing Browns fan. He's going to keep them at 17.
21:46They're not moving despite the fact that they punched the Steelers in their collective mouths.
21:50But did you see there that Shook has the Patriots at 18?
21:54Okay. Eh. They went into Buffalo and they got a win.
21:57But they were at 31 last week? Yeah. Because they looked like one of the worst outfits in professional football last week.
22:03What's your mailbox like? It's stuffed with Patriots, angry Patriots fans right now.
22:07Some demanding written apologies. I'm not going to go that far.
22:10Because they've produced one quality performance so far. I'm not going to give them the Steelers win as a ton of credit.
22:17But this game, this win means more because it's in division.
22:20It's against a rival. And it's a game in which you had to come back from a late deficit.
22:25And Drake may have had to deliver. He's back on the right track to success.
22:30But it's still only one game. However, it was funny that going through the process when I did move them up, this was not intentional.
22:37They went right back to where they were before, which was 18.
22:40They do it again. They'll climb. But right now, that's where I'm putting them.
22:45Okay. Call your shot right now. If they beat the Raiders at home, the Raiders are 3-1, have a better record.
22:51Do they move up? They will move up. And I think them and the Raiders will end up very close to each
22:57other because the Raiders are just outside the top 10 right now.
23:00Okay. Tell me that if the Raiders beat the Patriots and go to 4-1, the Raiders are a top 10 team.
23:07They are at 12 right now. So they could sneak right into the top 10.
23:11The Raiders are for real. Take them seriously. No, I know they are.
23:15Week 12, Browns Raiders getting flexed into Sunday night.
23:17Talk it into reality right now. I have no knowledge of that.
23:21It's going to happen. I'm just saying. Let's do some quick hits.
23:24Let's get some other news from around the NFL.
23:27The union for the referees, the NFL RA, says it is going to challenge the severity of the suspensions.
23:32Adrian Hill got a game. Jeff Seaman got two for unprofessional conduct this past Sunday.
23:37The union says that they were too harsh. Okay.
23:39We told you yesterday Joe Mixon is going to sign with the Seahawks practice squad.
23:44Not going to happen. As it turns out, remember, Mixon didn't play last year in Houston.
23:48Some kind of foot injury. He got there and the Seahawks went, nope, we're not going to do it.
23:54So they signed a couple of other running backs instead.
23:57In Los Angeles, UCLA legend Eric Hendricks is signing with the Rams, at least on their practice squad.
24:02Eric Hendricks, not doing media, going back to the NFL, practice squad for the Rams.
24:06Cool. Time for one more thing. Before we go, we'd like to issue a big congratulations to Pat Sertan and his fiancee Kevya.
24:13Got married this past summer. They are expecting their first child together.
24:17I mean, it's such big news. The NFL put it on the IG today.
24:21And the Twitter. Pat Sertan, his status for this week and next or even beyond that, very much up in the air with the ankle injury.
24:28But he has good news with the baby right around the corner.
24:32Power rankings coming up. Coming up. Check them all out.
24:35The biggest surprise is? I mean, Patriots moved. We got a lot of surprises.
24:39Not at the top, though. Still the Niners. All right.
24:42Email him, not me. Bye. This is an iHeart Podcast.
24:44Guaranteed human.