0:00All across the fantasy universe. What's up, everybody? Welcome to a very special edition of the Fantasy Points podcast. I am Brian Drake, joined not alongside the
0:09guru John Hanson, but the auction kings of fantasypoints.com.
0:15It is Joe Dolan and Drew Davenport, and we're bringing back for the third time our auction / salary cap draft plan
0:23episode. We've done this a few times now. They always do gangbuster numbers. People love it. We're so glad that we get to bring it to you.
0:30>> [music] >> Joe, I'll bring you in first. We get to
0:41piggyback off your extensive draft plan article and do this show the first time having Drew as a member of the Fantasy
0:49Points team. Welcome in, bud. How are you?
0:52>> Yeah, I'm really excited to have Drew as part of the team, of course, with with Fantasy Points weekend on SiriusXM. But,
0:58you know, when we were scheduling this the motion man behind the scenes, obviously, he's always keen on the numbers and he's like, "We
1:05got to get this video out there, man, cuz it does numbers every year." And that kicked my butt into gear to update
1:10my auction draft plan, which obviously I have been doing since Fantasy Points launched, and a lot of it is kind of
1:17same stuff every year. But, you always really adapt it every year based to what some to some of the trends, what some of
1:24the individual player takes you have.
1:26And we're going to talk through general strategy. Some of you, if you've watched this program in the past, some of that
1:31will be old hat and will sound familiar to you. But, we'll also talk some specific player takes that I touched on
1:37in the auction salary cap draft plan, which is up for Fantasy Points subscribers. You can see it on the screen right there. And then, of course,
1:43Drew is going to chime in with his tried-and-true strategies and some of the players that he is targeting. So, I'm I'm excited for this program every
1:50single year. I I love doing it. And and now with with with two two Fantasy Points brothers with me, man, that's
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2:17fantasypoints.com. Let's bring in the man, the myth, the legend, the creator of the legendary par sheet. It is the great Drew Davenport. Drew, how's it
2:23going, my friend? You ready to mix it up, talk a little auction?
2:26>> I'm always ready to talk auction. As I said to Joe when he came on my show, I said, "How do we get this thing more
2:32front and center with people?" So, this is one of my favorite things to do is talk about my favorite way to draft.
2:38>> There you go. And if you want to follow more of Drew, he is on the old Twitter machine at Drew Davenport FF. Joe is, of
2:43course, at FG_Dolan. I'm at Drake Fantasy. So, let's go through what we're, you know, what we like to do here. Just start off, how do you prepare
2:52for an auction draft? And I think before you can draft a team, we have to prepare for a draft. So, Joe, I'll start with
2:59you, and you kind of touch on all this in your your fantastic draft plan article. How would one prepare? What do
3:05you show up with? What are you trying to do to make sure that when things kick off, whether it's in person or whether
3:12it's in an online platform, you're ready to go?
3:15>> So, one thing you have to understand is rankings in a traditional sense, you know, I don't think they apply in
3:23auction drafts. I would argue that they don't necessarily apply in redraft as well. But, in redraft, you are often going to be be making a binary decision,
3:34okay? If I have the number one pick, I have to choose between Jahmyr Gibbs or Bijan Robinson. I don't think I have
3:40both of those players. But, in an auction draft, you can kind of group those two guys together because in theory, you have an opportunity to draft
3:48every player. Now, obviously, we know that it doesn't work out that you can draft every player, but there was nothing preventing you before the draft
3:55from saying I am not going to be able to draft X guy because you have an empty roster and a full roster budget. So,
4:03let's just say for instance, Jamison Gibson and Bijan Robinson are their a tier, but let's just go behind them a little bit to the some of the other
4:10running backs in the first, maybe second round turn. And this is just an example.
4:15It's not perfect on our fantasy points auction cheat sheet, but that let's talk about this from this perspective. Let's just say you have Christian McCaffrey,
4:22Saquon Barkley, James Cook, and Ashton Jeanty, just to name four guys. And and let's throw Jonathan Taylor in there as well. Five guys who are tiered
4:30similarly. And you're like, you know, going into my draft, I think the first two guys, Gibbs and Bijan, are going to be too expensive. But for me to
4:39execute my plan to build the team away I want to, I have to get one of those five guys. And they're all kind of in the
4:48same range. And you know, it's one of those ranges, Drake and Drew, where if you had five different drafts, you might
4:54decide to draft all five of those guys because you don't think you're smart enough to parse out the two two to 10 to
5:0110 to 20 point full season difference between those guys or among those guys.
5:06So, you have to know exactly where guys are going in your tier. And Drew, what I like to do is when I have a tier of
5:13players that I know I want to attack, I want to make sure I am drafting in that tier, nominating players, bidding on
5:21players when there are still players left in that tier. Because for instance, there is a chance that even though Christian McCaffrey, I would think
5:31on a binary A/B choice is going to be the choice over Ashton Jeanty in most people's minds, there is a chance that
5:38if Ashton Jeanty is projected by the room as as kind of like this unspoken unspoken rule that he is the last quote
5:48true number one running back, there is a chance that if Christian McCaffrey went for say $50 with the third nomination, but Ashton Jeanty lasts until the 20th
5:56nomination, he might go for $56 because you want to be able to make sure you know who's in a tier, how many players
6:05are available left in that tier, and what it's going to take for you to get one of those players. So, tiering is a
6:11huge and knowing how to attack within those tiers is really important to drafting in an auction or salary cap draft.
6:17>> Uh looking over at the fantasy points.com auction cheat sheet which Drew, uh excuse me, Joe puts together, we do have all of those things available
6:25for you guys. So, again, if you sign up, we have access to that cheat sheet.
6:28It'll give you a range of value and it'll tell you those tiers. So, we're doing the work for you. What's your
6:33thoughts on tiers, Drew?
6:35>> Well, it's one of the most essential things you can do to prepare. And what I always tell people is don't take the shortcut if you don't
6:43have to. Now, Fantasy Points and Joe and they're going to give you really good information. So, if you're a busy person, you know, that's what you pay
6:52for. That's totally cool. I understand that. But, um you know, I think that if you can possibly um do this work yourself, it
7:02really helps you when you get into the draft room. And I say that all the time about the preparation part of it. A lot
7:07of people want to skip to the end and be like, "Just give me values and let me go in there and do it."
7:11I don't think that helps you very much because the process of going through where you believe certain people should be in the tiers is where
7:21uh it that's where you get the wherewithal when you're in the moment that clock is ticking down to say, "What do I actually think here?" And if you
7:30skip the process, then you don't have that knowledge behind to make that tough decision in the draft room. So, I think
7:37that's super important. And putting those tiers together, to get to your question, that's one of the most important things you can do, if not the
7:43most important thing you can do, because then you know in your head like, "Hey, I think that there is a spot after this
7:49player where it drops off." And then you intuitively know that in the draft, and you don't have to go and look and say,
7:55"Hey, what did this person tell me the tier starts at?" So, and another thing I like for for people that are just kind
8:03of trying out the format, or hey, maybe your your league just started to do it, or you're in your second or third one, I
8:09think one of the things that is a nice little crutch to have is something I call a nomination sheet, because it gets
8:15quick and it moves fast in an auction.
8:18And if you have a little sheet in front of you that says, "I'm going to nominate these players I do want, or if I want to
8:24waste around in the in the seventh round because prices are too high, I want a little bit of you know, a sheet
8:30where there's some guys that "Hey, I don't really want these guys. These are waste nominations." I think that's a nice little crutch for people who are
8:37starting out. I don't necessarily think veterans need to do it, but it is something I like to mention because it's nice to go to that nomination sheet and
8:43say, "Hey, who should I be pulling from here?" And it's a it's a good way to not lose your way in the middle of the draft
8:49because those nominations are important.
8:51>> And Joe, you mentioned something like this in the article, and it's it's a question we get over and over again
8:56about auction drafts is nomination strategy. And should you be putting up players that you desperately want?
9:02Should you put up players early in a tier to make sure you get one of those guys? Should you put up somebody you
9:07don't want at all because you want people to waste money? How do you handle nomination strategy, and and how does it
9:14fluctuate as the draft goes on?
9:16>> Yeah, so early in the draft I'm very flexible with it, right?
9:20Most of the players who are going to be nominated in the first couple rounds, now that doesn't mean somebody's going to be cheeky and try to sneak a sleeper
9:27through there, you know, the hot sleeper that everybody's talking about in the first round of nomination. In theory, I mean, every player can be nominated in
9:34in at any time, you know, I think often times you'll see people nominate kickers and defenses to try to see if they can
9:39get a cheap a $1 kicker or defense or see if they can get somebody out there quick. waste money on bidding up a
9:46kicker defense, which you should never do by the way. Um, but nonetheless, um one thing I I I I will do is it just
9:53kind of depends on how the room is going. And here's why I'm almost I'm almost hesitant Now, you can't I can't
9:59put the toothpaste back in the tube. I have to give out recommended auction values. Uh we we changed our process a
10:05little bit on Fantasy Points this year, but I'm a little hesitant to do it because as Drew well knows from doing a
10:12bunch of this the first round or two of nominations is going to dictate the prices around the rest of the draft, right? If I have
10:21Jahmyr Gibbs projected as a $70 player, but if he gets nominated first and he goes for $90, well, that's going to
10:28indicate to you that the big spenders are out there and you have to mentally adjust that. So, what I will do though,
10:34Drake, is I'll I'll I probably probably won't be the first person to buy a player unless I think he's going to be
10:41he's going to go as a value. But then it's good just kind of dependent on, all right, who did I end up drafting? Oh, I
10:47got Bijan Robinson. Well, then I'm definitely nominating Jahmyr Gibbs. I'm definitely nominating these high-priced running backs because I want the money
10:54to come out of the draft and to strengthen my position. If I had if I get like a Josh Allen, for instance,
11:00I'll nominate Lamar Jackson. As we'll get to my quarterback specific strategy because I have certain things that I'm going to do there, but it really depends
11:08on if I get some of those early players.
11:10And in the first three rounds of nominations I'm typically going to want to get two or three high-priced players that I feel really good about, uh
11:17depending on whatever my strategy is, but I don't really have a tried-and-true strategy before I have a player. It's just kind of see where the bidding is
11:26going and then react from that point.
11:29>> I love some of the stuff you're saying, Joe, and I I say this every time we get on the show because
11:33it's really great confirmation bias that I'm not just shouting into the wind all the time about some of the things I
11:38believe. But, one thing about nominations that I just stress over and over and over is there are very few things that you actually control
11:47in the draft room. And that is one of them. And so, you definitely don't want to just um you not want A lot of people
11:55they just nominate the top player left on the board. And that's just That's not doing anything for you. You need to kind
12:01of guide the the the draft as well as you can with your nominations. One of the things I also stress too is make sure you're
12:10you're switching it up. Don't always be nominating people that you want, and don't always be nominating people you don't want. People will pick up on that.
12:17If you're in a smart room, they're going to pick up on that.
12:20And I had something uh the other night that I just want to tell a really quick story that I think this is makes a good
12:25point here.
12:26I was in um a mock auction the other night. I didn't have a running back yet.
12:30And so, it was only a couple nominations away from me, and Chase Brown was still there. But, there was a couple guys
12:34ahead of Brown, and I thought, "Okay, I want to nominate Brown because the other guys on the board are going to command
12:40more money." So, I want to get Brown out there and try to get him locked in before those other guys get nominated.
12:46Well, the nomination before me, Gentry, gets nominated, and I end up getting him for 39. Now, I'm not a Gentry guy, but I
12:54thought 39 was a nice price, and I took it.
12:57And as soon as that happened, I should have switched my nomination because then I went ahead and nominated Brown anyway.
13:03And what ended up happening is Brown ended up going just for a few bucks more than Gentry cuz that's what people think
13:07about him. And we had kind of set this this price with Gentry that people thought, "Okay, Brown should go for more."
13:13I didn't end up getting Brown, which I really wanted to do, but the point The overarching point is just be flexible with those nominations
13:21because I had it set in my brain, "Nominate Chase Brown." But, then it all changed the pick before when I got
13:26Gentry. You just have to change and it's okay to change. Like, that's normal. You might change your opinion four different times while you're waiting on your
13:35nomination. That's okay and that's the way it's supposed to be played.
13:39>> Let me chime in here, Drake, that's cuz Drew brought up a good point that I kind of want to piggyback off of. If you want
13:43to talk about a specific strategy for me early in drafts, it's if there are multiple players left in the tier and I
13:50want to target that tier, then I'll probably nominate someone I do want. But if it's the last player in the tier,
13:58like I told you I I want to be drafting from ahead. Uh eventually you're going to get behind and you're going to get
14:02caught in a bidding war. Eventually it's going to happen. But if I if I already have, say, an Ashton Gentry, like Drew
14:08said, I want to nominate the last player in a tier to get all of the other sharks in the water kind of swarming around
14:14because I'm like, "All right, I've already got my player that I know I want. I want to eliminate some money. I
14:21want to make some people desperate around me. So, I want to be able to try to increase my buying power for other
14:28positions or other tiers because I know I am just going to suck some money out of this room because the tier has now
14:35expired." And that's what the advantage it gets to you if you draft if you draft one of those guys in the middle of a
14:41tier before the entire tier is dried up.
14:43It really can make your you can weaponize your nomination strategy in that way.
14:48>> I've noticed a lot of times as well when we do drafts and people who aren't auction drafters, you know, maybe as much as they should
14:56be. You know, they're they're typical typically redraft players. You can get some steals early in drafts. And Drew and I have talked about this. Maybe the
15:03room's a little cold to start. You walk in, people are trying to feel things out. Those first three, four nominations, you can steal A+ talent for
15:11pricing that you know they they shouldn't be going for because people are just kind of unsure of the room.
15:16They're a little cheap. They don't want to, you know, throw 50 bucks out there already. So, I mean, I mean, you've
15:20probably experienced that a ton and it's something I want people to notice because not everybody in your auction draft is going to be an experienced
15:26drafter.
15:27>> Yeah, it's something that I've dubbed the sitting down bonus. And it happens when you just start the draft, or a lot
15:33of times if you're like say you're in a home draft, or even online, let's say everyone takes a bathroom break and you
15:39come back in 10 minutes, there's a bit of a cold start. And so, it happens when there's a break or at the beginning. You
15:44should always be paying attention to that. If you draw a nomination spot that's in the top three or four, you need to be thinking about putting out a
15:51guy that you ordinarily wouldn't because you can get that deal. Do not sleep at the beginning of the draft, and don't be
15:58afraid because if you know what your plan is, and you see a deal, just take it if it's the if it's with your plan
16:04because you can't pass that kind of stuff up, and it's going to happen in just about every room you're in.
16:10>> Drew, let me ask you about the par sheet. This is something that you've coined in the auction space, and it's a
16:15way for people to track their money throughout the draft and kind of, you know, budget and be able to be flexible
16:22throughout the auction draft. Talk a little bit about what a par sheet is and why people should be using them.
16:28>> Yeah, it's it's like I said, it's it's one of my most innovative things that that I've come up with in this space,
16:34and the only reason that it's gotten to this point is because as soon as I started talking about it, people are
16:39like, I want one of those. Give me one of those.
16:41And it's really it kind of goes back to the thing where people say, "Hey, give me values. I want to see your values."
16:46It's kind of the same thing because people really want that a rigid framework there to work off of, and I understand that that auctions are all
16:55about flexibility. But the par sheet gives you that flexibility because you start out with definite numbers that you want to put on your sheet. And the
17:03reason I call it a par sheet is we're really trying to shoot par here. We're trying to get exactly $200 out. We don't
17:12want to commit at 190, and we obviously can't go over. So, we're trying to shoot par, and that's why I dubbed it that.
17:17Because auctions, ultimately, are just a balancing act. And it's an it's a balancing act, and the reason I say that is because
17:25people that just wait around for deals, they're going to have a mediocre team.
17:29And people that pay up too much too quick are going to have a top-heavy team. And that balancing act that you
17:34got to walk is difficult. And a lot of times people say, "Hey, if I want to spend 40% of my money on wide receiver."
17:40And I stop them right there, and I say, "Look, you're not going to be doing fractions in the middle of your auction.
17:44You can't do that." So, get an exact number that you want to pay. And then, if you pay differently, that's fine. You
17:51need to be flexible. You're never going to hit that exact number that you want to pay. But then it tells you, like, did
17:56I over Oh, I overspent. Okay, I got to pull back somewhere else. But if you go in there and you're like, I need to
18:00spend 40%, you're going to overspend quickly and go, "Whoops, I'm at 42% already." And that's not going to work.
18:06So, that's I believe why the par sheet works. Because it gives you something to lean on, and you don't have to stick
18:11with it. It just gives you something to lean on to tell you where to go.
18:14>> I think it's funny that you talk about it that way, Drew, because like I I I've done the similar thing.
18:19Obviously, we've talked in years past about all this. I did a similar thing in my auction draft plan that I've done for
18:24a number of years, and it effectively functions as the same thing. It's just that I put names on it, right? I do I at
18:30the end of my auction draft plan, I do like six or seven different team builds.
18:34And I like zero RB, hero RB, RB robust, wide receiver robust. And I assign names to those, and I wonder if that might
18:42help effectively it is a par sheet. Like I I am giving people names and within a $200 budget and a finite roster plan.
18:50Now, that's the other key. You have to know how many roster spots you have, okay? So, mine is the what what I do is
18:56quarterback, tight end, kicker, defense, one of each. I do two running backs, two tight ends, two flexes, two wide receiver wide receiver running back
19:06tight end flexes, and six bench spots.
19:08So, 16 16 spots, Like I think that's pretty standard. Um but that I think it helps you visualize. Put put a team together in your mind. Ooh, I
19:18think this is going to be a good team.
19:19This has players I really like at a tier that I want to target. I don't know Ooh, those number two running backs, just for
19:25example, oh, I don't like what those look like. I know Dolan's been babbling about David Montgomery all off-season. I think he's nuts. I don't want any part
19:33of David Montgomery. And then you're like, I want to spend up a little bit more at running back or I want to go
19:38hero running back and then just kind of pick off some values. So, building an example team with a par sheet is is
19:44probably a good way for an auction beginner to start kind of visualizing how they want to build their team.
19:50>> I think it's the single easiest way for a beginner to get better quick.
19:55What about these different builds? Stars and scrubs, balanced teams, you know, maybe if you want to go a zero RB, whatever the case may be.
20:05Uh how do you guys look at these and do you walk into a draft saying, "I'm going to be stars and scrubs" or Joe, I'll ask
20:12you, do you let the draft come to you and it dictates to you how your team's going to be?
20:16>> Well, I I will kind of let the draft come to me, but I will fully admit my build in recent years has leaned
20:23zero RB and/or hero RB. And that was working great for me for a while. And the last couple years it has kicked me
20:32in the ass because of what's happened with running backs and wide receivers.
20:36And and this is going to get into the the Josh Allen conversation as well. The the the conflagration of things, injuries, outsized number of injuries at
20:44quarterback and wide receiver, outsized number of healthy seasons for running backs, but also the personnel shifts around the NFL. Is there really a
20:53sea change where we're going back to old school fantasy football? So, I have had a lot of success in the past building
21:01wide receiver heavy, wide receiver robust kind of teams. And recently, uh Ryan Heafy wrote a great article this off season. It was his lessons learned
21:10from 2025. Um shocker, Ryan Heath wrote a great article. But, um one of them was examining the death of the fantasy wide
21:19receiver, too. Like, the the reliable the reliable, you know, lunch pail, 9-5 whistleblower type of wide receiver.
21:27That guy just has not existed in recent years, whether it be because of quarterback injury, wide receiver injury, or schematic changes.
21:35That is kind of like led me to believe that I should spend a little bit more at running back than I am usually going to
21:44do. And then also, you know, following some of the content we've had on the Fantasy Points channel, you know, Graham just kind of talking about, "Man, I am
21:51hammering some of these round 4 through 8 wide receivers that I really like.
21:55Maybe it's time for me to just start maybe acknowledging that wide receiver is a little bit deeper. I used to want
22:03to really attack the top end of the receivers, get two or even three of those guys. But, the last couple of
22:08years, that has been a really poor way to spend my money in auctions. And it's something that I that I think I have to
22:13examine. But, the question then becomes, is my entire room, the auction room, going to think the same exact thing as me? And Jamison instead of being a $70
22:22player is an 80 85 dollar player. Bijan Robinson is 75 80 dollar player. And those prices are probably something I'm not going to be willing to pay.
22:30>> I'm sure the running backs are going to fly off the board. I've been doing a lot of snake mock drafts. And you get to
22:35like round eight, round nine, they're gone. Forget about it. You're drafting Tank Bigsby and all these handcuffs.
22:41It's it's over with. So, I got a feeling in your auctions as well. You be mindful of those running backs. Drew, what about
22:47your builds? How do you How do you go into a draft? Do you let it come to you? Are you a stars and
22:51scrub guy? Are you a in the middle kind of guy? And And we got to remind folks also, and Joe hits this point in his
22:57article, the point of a draft is to win the league. It is not to build the most balanced team to come in fourth.
23:05>> Yeah.
23:06Well, I like his labeling of the par sheets because actually I do recommend that you bring two or three par sheets that are
23:15possible. Like these are your two or three favorite builds. Like I'm going to go hero running back, two top receivers, um not spend on quarterback tight end.
23:23Okay, that's one sheet. And then you you do three iterations that you like. And then as soon as you land a player or
23:29two, you can scrap a couple of the sheets and go with one. Now, I definitely when you say letting the draft come to you,
23:36that is a 100,000% what you have to do when you're an auction drafter. But it's not quite that simple because you
23:42definitely need to try to exert your influence on the draft and how it's going to go because I think far too many
23:47people go into the auction room and they just say, "I like these kind of guys and I want to have a top receiver." And they
23:53don't really have like they have they haven't really put name to the plan. And I don't mean naming the plan itself, I
23:58mean putting names into that thing.
24:01Like, "Hey, I want a top receiver."
24:02Okay, well, which top receiver? Okay, because you can argue that, you know, Nico Collins is a top receiver and so is
24:09Ja'Marr Chase, but they're very different and they're going to have very different prices.
24:12>> Mhm.
24:12>> So, don't just say, "I want a top this."
24:15Think about which guys are actually going to be the guys you're going to want to go for. And then if you
24:20at the beginning of the draft, you really got to go for those cornerstone guys right at the beginning. And then you can kind of lay back and let it come
24:27to you. But you got to be aggressive early and say, "All right, well, this I think I want Brock Bowers." Okay, let me
24:33just spoiler alert, he's not going to be cheap, number one. And number two, people aren't just going to leave him on
24:38the board for seven rounds so you can get him for a 22 instead of 35. That ain't happening. People like to nominate
24:44the top guys. So, you might as well be the one that does it. If you think, "Hey, I'm going to get
24:49Brock Bowers." And you have the fifth nomination, nominate him. Just get him out there right away and see if you're You're get him because then it allows
24:56you to pivot. And I think too many people just kind of wander aimlessly through like, "Oh, it's going to happen." But no, you got to have a plan
25:03and at the same time you got to be able to just say, "Hey, I don't want to force it. I got to let this thing happen
25:09organically." But but you still have to have that plan in mind. That's the balancing act we're talking about and too many people don't have that plan.
25:16>> You mentioned Brock Bowers and he is number one on our Fantasy Points Auction Cheat Sheet that Joe puts together and
25:20if you sign up for a subscription, again, use our code FPP 26 or code fantasy and you can save some money off
25:26a subscription. You're going to get an updated cheat sheet. They're updated all throughout the summer. Get you ready for your draft. Print it off. Have a lot of
25:32fun. You mentioned Brock Bowers and Joe, a big part of your draft plan goes along with these one-Z positions and you want
25:39to know about Brock Bowers and you want to keep your eye on Josh Allen. So let's let's start with Brock Bowers at the
25:44tight end position. Why are you so keen on him and and why is he such a linchpin to your draft?
25:49>> I mean, a linchpin is linchpin is tough for me to say because I don't know if I'd want Brock Bowers on every one of
25:57my fantasy. I mean, I would take them on all of my fantasy teams, but like there's an opportunity cost that comes
26:02with that and you know, elite tight end has been a debate dating back to the Tony Gonzalez days. How early should I
26:08take a guy at a one-Z position? Um but I really want to examine the market here because I I just I just have this gut
26:17feeling. And you know, I think we had Ryan Paganetti on the the the former director of analytics for the Philadelphia Eagles. Scott Barrett was
26:23talking to him on the Fantasy Points uh YouTube channel and Paganetti was just screaming about Brock Bowers and how special this guy is. It's just like this
26:31gut like feeling of are we going to have a guy who's just going to break fantasy football this year?
26:38Everything that was bad for him last year, you would hope is better this year. The offensive line should be better and healthier. The quarterback
26:44play should obviously be better with both Kirk Cousins and Fernando Mendoza, whoever they go with. The offensive coordinator last year was a joke. Chip
26:51Chip Kelly's one of the biggest jokers in the history of the National Football League. So, all of these things are improving. By the way, he played hurt
26:58and and ruined his own season.
27:01And I just feel like the target opportunity I I think Trey McBride is going to take a step back because the the Cardinals were
27:10the pass-heaviest team in the history of fantasy points data last year over expectation. That's five seasons of data they've been the they were the
27:17pass-heaviest team. You think they're just going to get a new coach bounce that defense should be better by that.
27:22There's more target competition now for Trey McBride because Marvin Harrison's healthy, they obviously have Michael Wilson, Jeremiah Love is going to command some.
27:30I just don't see that kind of opportunity. You know, Colson Loveland and Tyler Warren, I like both of those guys this year, don't get
27:36me wrong, but Loveland has to deal with Adonai and Luther Burden. Tyler Warren has to deal with Alec Pierce and Josh
27:42Downs and then of course a top fantasy running back in Jonathan Taylor.
27:46I the target competition is not there for Brock Bowers. The talent is exceptional. He's the most gifted tight end in the league.
27:54This is a guy who I think might at some point break fantasy football and it could be as soon as this year and I want
28:00to see where he is going. And if he if I can get him in like the $30 range Drew, you mentioned I think he
28:08went for in that range in in in one of your recent >> 36, yeah.
28:11>> Okay, that's perfect. If I can get him in that range, let's just say under 40, it's possible I just drafted the single
28:18most impactful player and it doesn't it doesn't stop me from drafting, you know, a top receiver or a top running back.
28:24That's the beauty with auctions and then I know at that point that I can go cheap at quarterback. I I'm going to go cheap
28:31at one of those two positions, okay?
28:33Um and we'll talk about my quarterback strategy in particular, but if I don't get Brock Bowers, let's just pivot to to
28:40the rest of the tight end. A couple of my linchpin guys are Tucker Kraft coming off injury, but was tied at number one
28:45when he got hurt. George Kittle, if you're willing to assume a little more risk, I'm a little bit concerned that he's not as far along as he as he's
28:52letting on, but we know what kind of fantasy football upside he has. And the cool thing about those guys is you can
28:57you can pair them with a what I call the catch-and-fall-down tight ends, the Dalton Schultz's, the Jake Fergusons of the world, who aren't going to cost all
29:04that much and give yourself some floor.
29:06But man, Brock Bowers is a player this year when I was going through this auction plan, I'm like, "Man, I'm going to have some serious
29:13FOMO if I don't get any Brock Bowers this year." And I don't feel that way I know Trey McBride caught 120 passes last
29:18year, but I don't feel that way about Trey McBride. Maybe I'm nuts, but I just I I feel like the stars could possibly
29:25If just two stars align for Brock Bowers, I think he could be a league-breaking type of player.
29:30>> I had to laugh there at you calling them catch-and-fall-down tight ends. That's great. It's a great thing. I'm going to steal that from you.
29:38But I I absolutely agree and I just the one thing I wanted to add was that I when you're building your par sheet,
29:46build a Brock Bowers par sheet. I I just think that that's you should absolutely have that ready to go. And if you don't
29:53get him and you need to find out early if that's really something that that you want. And the other thing is with the
29:59onesie positions that I I just wanted to to amplify what you just said about the fact that I'm probably not going to do
30:05it for both positions. I just don't think you can go into a $200 cap, you know, 16-man roster and pay up for both
30:13Josh Allen and Brock Bowers. I just your builds are going to be weird and awkward and I just I'm not sure that that's the
30:20way that you can do it, but one or the other, yes. And I would add on top of that, the smaller the league gets, the
30:27more willing I am to try to go at both onesie positions and the more I am willing to blow off my bench just
30:34because of the waiver wire. So in 10-team leagues, I will be trying to shoot for a top quarterback and top tight end. May not happen. Not going to
30:41force it, but the smaller the league generally, the more I want the difference makers at each starting spot coming out of the draft. As the league
30:50gets bigger, you're 14 teamers, then that changes your strategy again.
30:55>> Yeah, tight end, we always say every year before the season starts, tight end so deep, there's 25 guys I draft and
31:01play, and then by week six you're like, all right, there's two guys. Everybody else is a dumpster fire.
31:07>> Yeah, I'm picking up a I'm picking up a backup off the waiver wire to hope he scores a touchdown, right? You know,
31:12like that's and and I I just don't like if Bowers stays healthy, I just don't see a scenario in which he isn't at least the
31:20number two tight end for fantasy, and I just see so much more upside than that.
31:23>> Yeah, if you draft Brock Bowers, too, it's in an auction league, it's essentially like, okay, well, you didn't just blow it all on a on a random tight
31:29end. He becomes your kind of de facto wide receiver one, wide receiver two.
31:34You were just talking about how it's tough to find a good wide receiver two.
31:36In essence, Brock Bowers can be your one or two, and then you say, okay, well, my wide receiver three just becomes my
31:42tight end, and you just play it's kind of like positionless basketball, you know, just get the best players you can get on your roster. And that's the
31:49beauty of auctions is you're not pigeonholed into tiers, where where it's like, oh, well, by the time it comes to me, no one's going to be there. Like,
31:55you're going to be able to get really good builds.
31:59>> $20 cheaper, too. If you want to call Brock Bowers your wide receiver two, he's going to be it's the difference between him and Mit at
32:0835, and somebody that you're paying uh 45 or 50 or 55, like you can go and look at the different guys, like
32:17you're going to get the productions that's close. So, just remember that you're not going to love looking at maybe that one or two spot at the
32:24running back or wide receiver position.
32:25You're going to say, ah, but then just look down at Mr. Bowers, and you'll be okay.
32:30>> Let's transition over to the quarterback plan, and I've been in a lot of rooms where the quarterbacks, especially down the line, in expert leagues go for next
32:38to nothing. You can get a really good, let's say, Matt Stafford, Brock Purdy for a dollar or two at the end of the
32:45draft. But, Joe, you're honing in on Josh Allen, the number one quarterback in fantasy. You want to see where he comes off the board and for how much.
32:52>> So, this is exactly, um, my plan with with auctions. Now, I have a line that I like to tell people. Drew alluded to it
33:00a little bit earlier.
33:03If your team is made up entirely of values, I can almost guarantee you your team is going to suck.
33:11Like, eventually you do have to pay up, right? For somebody. You have to go up and over your budget for the last player
33:18in a tier. Or, you know, if you if you you've been waiting around a little bit, you're going to have to end up spending
33:24up to get that sleeper that everybody wants, even though I'm not sure the fantasy sleeper really exists anymore.
33:29But, if you if you wait around for values, your team is going to blow.
33:34But, now, this is this is specific, guys, to one quarterback leagues.
33:38Superflex, two quarterback, throw it out the window. What I'm about to say though is specific to one quarterback leagues.
33:47You will get a value.
33:48I will absolutely, utterly, 100% guarantee you that if you are patient or if you're disciplined, you will get a value at the quarterback position. It is
34:00100% guarantee. And that's either if you are in on Josh Allen >> or maybe Lamar Jackson on the lower end, but I just think Josh Allen's unique
34:08upside is far above Lamar Jackson's.
34:10If you have Josh Allen earmarked as a $30 player, Drew, you mentioned you were in a mock, he went for $19. All right,
34:17I'm buying Josh Allen at $19. And I I adapted this from something that Scott Barrett wrote a little bit earlier this
34:23off season. It was regarding It was regarding a a best ball uh draft. And like uh he was talking about the best
34:29best ball pick. And he was talking about it as a, you know, what you need to do to advance in a large field bestball
34:37tournament where so many players have the same, you know, kind of roster constructions. But, I I I applied that to my line of thinking, and I'm like,
34:44"Man, in an auction where I can get any player, maybe I should think the same way about Josh Allen." Here is Josh
34:49Allen counting backwards over the last six seasons as a fantasy quarterback.
34:53Overall, quarterback one, overall quarterback two, quarterback one, quarterback two, quarterback one, quarterback one by fantasy points per game over the last six seasons.
35:02His worst finish is as the quarterback two.
35:05Over those same six seasons, over his Excuse me, over his seven best games of the last three seasons, Scott writes, he has averaged 41.7
35:14fantasy points per game compared to Lamar Jackson's 34.2. That is staggering. The the upside of Josh Allen is so huge, and if he's going to go for
35:24under $30, like I'm I'm saying like 20 to $25 range or cheaper than that, I'm in. Because we know what kind of upside
35:31this guy provides. However, let's just say he goes for closer to where his value is.
35:39There is still going to be an outsized supply of start-worthy fantasy football quarterbacks.
35:43And even if Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are going for stupid prices, 40 40 for 40 45, 30 35, whatever you consider stupid
35:52price, I guarantee you, as you mentioned, Drake, Matthew Stafford, Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, they're going to be waving to you later
36:01in the draft saying, "Hi, I'm here. I'm $1. That's all you need."
36:06Because the guys who are spending money on the quarterbacks, those still are one player, and if they fill only one roster
36:12spot, they're not going to want to go spend $6 on Matthew Stafford to back up Josh Allen. So, you will get value. It
36:19just depends on if it's a value at the top or a value at the bottom. If the if there's not going to be value on Josh
36:25Allen at the top, then I'm going to pivot it to the bottom where there's like Drake not Drake May, but like even
36:30Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Bo Nix, even if you want mobile guys, you're going to be able to get cheap mobile guys for cheap. So,
36:38be cognizant of your room and understand that you must get value at the quarterback position. It's up to you though if you want to get that value or
36:46it's up to your room rather at the top end or the bottom end of the quarterback position.
36:52>> Yeah, I I'm pretty much following the same path and for me it's it's something that's been harder for me because in the past few years, now I
37:02didn't do it last year, but in the years before that I've been preaching about the fact that I think that middle group
37:07of guys that were $6 was where you're going to find your value at quarterback and I think that was true for for a little while, but I
37:16don't think that's true anymore and I've been shifting off of that. I shifted off of it last year and I'm fully into that
37:22mode this year and I'm with Joe on this idea because I think it's very simple for me. I'm not even sure I'm going
37:29after Lamar Jackson unless he's really cheap. I think it's either Josh Allen or I'm getting two guys for $5.
37:36And I'm going to try to get I'm going to try to wait. And in auctions a lot of times I preach get your guys out there.
37:44Figure out who you're getting and where you're going, but with guys that you're waiting on value for that big flat tier
37:50quarterbacks that Joe was just referencing.
37:53I'm waiting as long as I possibly can because the other night I got Burrow for five bucks and then I did another mock
37:59and I got Burrow for six bucks. It's like, okay, I what is the point of me going out and spending nine on Dak
38:05Prescott early in the draft when I know that the quarterback prices are going to fall off a cliff later. So, it's either
38:11Allen or it's or it's two guys for for six bucks. I just And when I say two, that is absolutely how I'm going to
38:19operate. I'm going going to get Brock Purdy and Jordan Love.
38:22You know, I'm going to try to get Trevor Lawrence and Bo Nix. I'm just going to try to put a couple guys together that
38:28are the cheapest guys I can find that I still find to be interesting to me. And I will say that Matthew Stafford is not
38:34a guy I'm going after him generally because I do think that there's going to be some significant regression there. I don't know what's going on with Alaric
38:41Jackson on his blindside, that kind of thing. But, you pick your guys and that's what's great about it. You can find two guys
38:48for six, seven, five, whatever.
38:51>> Put Put whatever name you want on. I know Matthew Stafford obviously is coming off the MVP season, but that Matthew Stafford is basically to me just
38:58standing in as an avatar for this tier of quarterback, right? Like just It could be Tyler Shuck. If you you think Tyler Shuck's going to have a
39:04great season. Um if you want a mobile quarterback, Malik Willis is going to be a dollar guy. So, like it's just
39:10whatever whatever quarterback you want, you can get there. So, you're 100% right, Drew. If I'm not If I don't get Josh Allen, I'm almost certainly going
39:17to be one of the last two or three guys in my league to draft quarterback. It's just going to happen that way.
39:22>> Yeah.
39:23>> I like an auction to draft multiple quarterbacks. As you mentioned, if you can get a Kyler Murray and a Malik
39:27Willis, I mean and maybe spend in total three, four dollars, maybe two dollars, who knows. Uh I'm more apt to in an
39:33auction to get multiple quarterbacks than I am in uh in maybe a snake. Well, let me throw it out to you guys. If you've got
39:39a name of a player two at running back, quarterback, receiver, whatever the case may be, some guys that you you know,
39:46you're definitely targeting this year.
39:48Give our listeners somebody that you're looking at that tier and you go, "Man, there's a sweet spot here. I know I want
39:55to be targeting this guy on a majority of my teams here." So, uh Joe, let's start with you.
39:59>> Yeah. All right, so let me throw one name out to you. Um and then I definitely want to get to some late
40:03draft strategies after we do this, Drake, but um uh this is something that is going to pain me to say this because
40:10you are in my auction draft. Uh Drew, you you might be next on the invite list. Uh but the motion man behind the
40:15scenes producing is in the draft. And so, this is not going to work for me in my main auction league, but I think a
40:22guy who's an absolute linchpin is Tee Higgins.
40:25And I am looking at some of the the auction values for Tee Higgins around the industry. Uh if I'm looking at um if
40:34I'm looking at Yahoo's auction values, he is so far underneath where he should be. This is a guy who in 2024
40:43with a healthy um Joe Burrow uh was the wide receiver four in fantasy points per game. The wide receiver four. On Yahoo
40:53right now, Tee Higgins average auction value price is $19, okay? I think he you could make an easy argument he's worth
41:02$30.
41:04And we he was $19 on Yahoo's um Yahoo's auction prices.
41:10On ESPN, Tee Higgins is a $13 [snorts] player.
41:16$13.
41:18Again, this is somebody who was the number four wide receiver in fantasy points per game 2 years ago with Joe Joe
41:25Burrow. He's one of the most prolific touchdown scorers in the NFL. What am I missing here with Tee Higgins? I think
41:30he fits every single build. Um and you'll see on our on my auction cheat sheet if you're a fantasy points subscriber, by the way, that will be
41:38updated for subscribers consistently throughout the the summer. Um I had Tee Higgins as a 20 to like $25 player.
41:46Well, what my auction values do, I teamed up with Chris Wacht, is it takes ESPN and Yahoo's values plus my projected value for them and puts
41:55them into like a realistic kind of where I think they might actually go uh in your draft. And man, Tee Higgins to me,
42:02Drew, I I it's just staggering to me. Um I I would leave every single best ball draft with him. I would leave every
42:08single auction draft with him. Within reason, right? Like I'm not telling you to go spend $40 on him because I don't
42:14think you need to spend $40 on him, but I think there's a chance he could return $40 worth of value.
42:21>> Yeah, I I hear you on Higgins. He actually got called out at the end of a tier, and this is this is what we're
42:26talking about earlier. He got called out at the end of a tier the other night and went for 31, and that's the most I've
42:30seen him go for in 2 years. I normally get I I am the guy who ends up with T Higgins in my auctions because he's
42:37normally like 22 to 27, and I'm just like, "Okay, I can't pass that up as my wide receiver two." So, I like the
42:43Higgins call.
42:44Uh there's a couple guys that I'm looking at that a weird thing happens when I'm preparing for auctions. I think to myself, "Hey,
42:52people are a little down on this guy."
42:54And then I go through some mocks, and I realize that they really aren't. Uh so, I was on Amon-Ra St. Brown early on
43:00because I thought that he was just cheaper cheap enough with respect to the other top guys that I wanted to have
43:07him, and I was hoping to get him between 45 to 49, something like that. But, in every mock, he's going for over 50, so
43:14I'm kind of off that a little bit. And I'd tell you what, I'm taking a look at somebody that Joe Joe, you can look at
43:19me sideways, it's all right. I'm taking a look at Trey McBride early. I'm just taking his temperature. I'm not I'm not
43:24sitting here telling you that I'm going to go for him. If he's 25, I just I don't know that I want to spend 25 bucks
43:30on McBride. I'd rather spend a few less dollars on Loveland. But, I'm taking his temperature early because there seems to be a lot of people who are pivoting off
43:40of McBride in auctions more than snakes because in in snakes, it's just a linear process, and people are going to go,
43:47"Oh, it's now time to draft Trey McBride." But, in auctions, the mood of the room is so much different. And so, I
43:53think the mood could be enough that I can steal McBride for 22 or 21 or something like that. I'm going to take a
43:59look. Now, a guy that I'm actively targeting is George Pickens. And I've done so much looking into George Pickens and CeeDee
44:08Lamb that I just believe that their auction prices should be almost identical and just about every room I'm seeing a four to four to $10 spread
44:19between Pickens and Lamb. And I don't think that should be there because last year when the two were on the field from
44:24week seven on Pickens actually was better than Lamb and they were only four targets apart. I think Lamb got four more targets over the final
44:34stretch from week seven on and Pickens was actually the better fantasy receiver and he actually finished the season as the wide receiver six overall. And so
44:42any metric you're looking at with these two their prices should be even and there's a spread generally and so let let people
44:49I tell you what here's my strategy.
44:51While Lamb's still on the board just get Pickens out there and see what you can do and get him for 32 34 and you're
44:58going to get Lamb-esque production for 12 bucks less.
45:02>> It's almost the same principle as T Higgins versus Zay Flowers right? I think the one thing though with with George Pickens is I I guess you could
45:09say it's the one flew over the cuckoo's nest discount like people are like yeah hey my my wide receiver one is a flight
45:17risk. I'm a little concerned about that but I don't think he has the Rashee Rice push an old lady into traffic risk and
45:24Rashee Rice is more expensive than George Pickens so you know what do I know at this at this stage in time.
45:30>> Yeah. Guy I'm looking at is Josh Jacobs and Drew we've gone back and forth talked about his legal situation and you're of the mindset that he might
45:38not get suspended or have any issue for the 2026 season and while he's a guy that didn't run for 100 yards at all
45:44last year he does have a great nose for the end zone and we know he's going to be in the top five as he was last year
45:49in terms of carries inside the five yard line for a really good offense with a great offensive coordinator. He's not sure in the football at all and I think
45:56with the legal issues and just where people kind of see him ranked right now I think Josh Jacobs is a little
46:01suppressed in his value. I think he should be much higher. So, if you can get yourself a stud running back and
46:06then maybe you get Josh Jacobs for less than he would be what he should be. Now you're sitting there with two banger
46:11running backs to start your draft off and you know, you could do a lot worse than Josh Jacobs as your RB2.
46:17>> Yeah.
46:17>> Well, guys, let's talk about that middle of the draft. And Joe, you like to coin the phrase the hammer. Who has the
46:24hammer in the draft? So, while the draft is going on, what should people be paying attention to not only with their
46:29own teams, but you know, and and not how cold the next Miller Lite is, but what are we doing here? What are the what's
46:35the rest of the room doing?
46:36>> You you have to pay attention to what everybody has. Now, I think in snake drafts there's part of this as well
46:41because especially but mostly for if you're like on a turn, you could say, "Ooh, I'm going to pass up on drafting
46:46my tight end here because the the two teams that are between me and my next pick already have a tight end." Like you
46:52can do that. But in an auction, you have to be much more cognizant of how teams are being built and how much capital
46:58they have left because um because you in theory they're going to be involved in any bid for any player and eventually you are going to get to a
47:07point where the the person who has the most money, which I call the hammer, is going to want a player that you want.
47:13Okay? So, you have to be aware of where you might need to adjust your strategy or you might need to try to stealthily
47:20sneak in and try to see if if if the hammer is asleep at the wheel. But at some point in the middle of the draft, I
47:26I tend to like to wax and wane between having the hammer, having the most money, then using it, kind of dropping to having the to having
47:35the lowest or the second or third lowest, and then eventually naturally you're going to get pushed back up the board and remaining draft budget. So, I
47:42kind of wax and wane between having the hammer, but I'm always cognizant if I'm not the hammer or if I am and somebody
47:49else has a lot of money left as well, I want to be cognizant of how that roster is built. Oh, I have two great running
47:56backs and the hammer doesn't have any.
47:59That's a great spot to be in because you know you're going to be in a position where the guy who has the most money
48:04probably doesn't want to spend the money on the positions that you need. That's a good spot to be, but there's no way to
48:09really guarantee yourself of getting in that spot. So, you have to be in and um in and and out of that. And also in the
48:17middle of your draft, guys, this is where it where I tell you you you do have to start spending aggressively because
48:24you The last thing you want to do is have $50 left to spend when there's RB4s and wide receiver fours and uh left on the
48:35board. Like having a couple extra bucks at the end of the draft, which we'll get to, is great. But, you want to this is
48:41it's not the time to just sit back and say, "Ho ho ho, I'm going to get values here." No. And this is where having an
48:46auction cheat sheet might not be like the most useful. Because, Drew, as you well know, at this range, depending on what level of players are left on the
48:56board, maybe somebody like a let's just say a Javonte Williams slips through the cracks. All right, well, you might have put like a $17 to $19 value
49:06on him pre-draft. But, nobody has that kind of money left over anymore.
49:11Somebody might get him for $11. Or, on the other hand, somebody who has a lot of money left needs a number two running
49:18back, and all of a sudden Javonte Williams goes for $29, which is more than uh Jeremiah Love went for. So, like things
49:25like that happen. Um and you you have to understand that if you need a player at this level, throw your projected auction value out
49:33the window. Go get the player if you have the capital to do so.
49:37>> Yeah, I love that because it's Too many people are enamored with look at this deal, look at that deal. And like Drake
49:44led with at the top of the show, we're here to win. And it doesn't matter if you end up overpaying for a guy. Do
49:51you want the guy, or do you want to be able to brag about the deal you got?
49:54Because I want to win, and that means having the guy. And that means sometimes you're going to overspend, but that's what I love about the tear sheet, too.
50:01When you get down to the end, and you're saying, "Hey, I got X number of dollars left." You can look down and see, "Hey,
50:06where can I put these players?"
50:08And and you said it best, go after that guy, and be aggressive with it, because you I Joe, I know you know this feeling,
50:18I know this feeling. Drake, I'm sure you know how it feels to be sitting there with $41, and be like, "Now I have the
50:23hammer." And oh, my hammer goes for Coker, you know. I I I I just landed Jaylen Coker.
50:30>> okay?
50:30>> Yeah, and it's like, dude, what what did I wait for? So, the other thing I want to talk about with the hammer is, just briefly, I will
50:38say that don't forget we the waxing Wayne thing is a is a excellent way to think of it, because often times
50:46you hold on, and you have that hammer, once you use it, most of the time you lose it, because you are going to be
50:52either overpaying, or you're going to be sinking back down to middle or lower part of of available cap among your league mates there. So, just don't
51:02forget that when you wield the hammer, a lot of times you lose it, and that's okay. It can come back to you still, but
51:09so choose wisely. Hey, what's the best player left on the board? This is why I have the hammer. Go get the best player.
51:15And if that best player isn't worth 24, and you paid 24, who cares? You got the player.
51:21>> All right, Joe, it's the end of the draft. How should people be approaching it? You know, you're not just getting up
51:26and going to the bathroom, and saying, "Ah, give me whoever." You know, a lot of times you're sitting around waiting for $1 players, because that's the
51:33>> And this can get this can get arduous.
51:34It can.
51:35>> Yes, it can. I've seen people lose their mind, because they have to wait until they can nominate someone for $1, and it
51:41could take a little while. So, end of the draft, what's going on?
51:44>> So, I'm number one, I want to let Drew um after I after I go on my spiel here talk about why it might be smart to wait
51:51to draft your kicker and defense here.
51:53And it's going to piggyback off of my point.
51:55And this is where it is very important to remember.
51:59There are two kinds of currency in an auction draft. You have your budget, whether it be $200, $300, 200 pesos, 300
52:08pesos, whatever you want to call it.
52:09Well, it's fake money anyway, at least in most drafts. I guess suppose you could do a real one.
52:13That's finite currency. You can only spend the 200.
52:18But your roster spots are also finite.
52:20You cannot create a roster spot out of thin air just because you have $10 left over at the end of your draft. And this
52:29is another important thing to say. I have never been in an auction. I don't know if these leagues all kinds of
52:35fantasy leagues exist, but I've never been in one and certainly the platforms I play on don't offer this.
52:40You cannot pull back a nomination.
52:43Every player who gets nominated is drafted. And whether that means you throw out a $1 player on a player you want and you end up and nobody bids on
52:52him and you get that guy for $1 or somebody outbids you to two, three dollars, every single player nominated is drafted. So, if you are drafting at the
53:01end of a draft, you've got to make sure number one, it's very tricky here to nominate players you don't want.
53:10You know, at the beginning of your draft, that's easy because everybody's got their money, everybody's excited to draft all that stuff. You can't just
53:16kind of twiddle your thumbs and sit around and say, "Oh, man, Ke'Shawn Vaughn still out there. I think he's got the chance to be the Buccaneers starting
53:25running back." And everybody only has like three roster spots left.
53:30I want to wait. I want to wait and see if I can, you know, kind of push him through until later. And then you
53:36nominate somebody, I don't know. Let let me let me just throw a the Allgeier, okay, just for instance. I want nothing
53:43to do with him. But, oh, you know, the guy who got Jamaal Love, he might want his his hand cuffs. So, but you throw
53:48him out there and crickets. Nobody bids on him. You just spent a dollar on a player you don't want. And that player also clogs
53:56up a roster spot. You cannot cut that player during the draft. You the money is gone, but more importantly at this
54:02stage, your roster spot is gone. And then, once your roster is full, you are done. You cannot participate in the draft anymore, whether you have money
54:10left or not. So, Drew, I want you to parlay this into A lot of times you'll see somebody at the beginning of an auction kind of nominate
54:17a kicker or defense just to get that cost certainty.
54:20But, I have started to understand from your perspective why I want to be maybe one of my last people to draft my kicker
54:27and defense.
54:29>> I always tell people that and and thank you for teeing me up there because it's something that's a that's a real it's a
54:35pet peeve to me that you burn that nomination early when you want the flexibility for that nomination later because when it gets late in the draft,
54:43more often than not, I'm one of those people that has the most money or near the most money and I'm waiting on a
54:49couple guys like a Kenny Gainwell. And I'm hoping, "Hey, I'm going to get him for four bucks." But, if I nominate him
54:54at the wrong time and he goes for 11, it kills me. So, what I want to do is I want to nominate people I don't want or
55:00people that I'm fine with having for a dollar because like you said, you don't want to get stuck with the guy that you
55:05don't want. So, that's where the kicker and D just save them. Just save them.
55:09You're not gaining that much.
55:11It's much better to land a guy that you want late like a running back or wide receiver that's key for you than it is
55:18to go get Brandon Aubrey at the beginning of the draft for a dollar or two bucks, heaven forbid. We don't want
55:23to do that either. But, those are just what I call punt nominations. Your kicker and D are your punt nominations.
55:29And if you nominate, you can even effectively kick that can like several times by just going in there and saying, "Okay, I'm going to save it till late."
55:37And then you get three-quarters of the way through and you're like, "I don't want to nominate anybody." So then just nominate Aubrey. And then somebody's
55:43going to say two. And or nominate the Texans or the Seahawks. Somebody's going to say two and take them off your hands.
55:48And if they don't, great. You got that guy. But otherwise, somebody's going to say Yeah, yeah. Then cuz then you punt
55:55again. And then And then you're like, "Okay, and then the next time I can do another kicker." And you know, then when
56:00it's time to actually get your guy, like who cares who you get? You're going to pick up the hot name anyway.
56:04Um and and another thing, like you had this on your um the This was on the screen just a minute ago about the
56:10hammer and about paying attention to who what the hammer needs.
56:15And I think that's really important and something we kind of glossed over. But this is end game stuff that it's a bit
56:21of an advanced move. But if you know the hammer needs something and you're trying to get them to spend money, aim your
56:27nomination at them. And that could be just like Here's an example that happened the other night that we were getting near the end of the draft and
56:33there was only a couple guys that didn't have tight ends. And Tyler Warren had not been nominated.
56:38We're like in the 12th round and he hadn't been nominated yet. And I'm like, "You know what? These two guys need to
56:44spend for this tight end and if it goes any longer, the guy's going to go for five bucks and I can't let that happen."
56:49So I nominated Warren because I knew these guys with money needed tight ends and he ended up going for 11. Now he
56:55should go for more, but 11 was better than waiting and him going for five. So it's a bit of an advanced move, but aim
57:02your nominations if you can because that works.
57:05>> Yeah, you can't like one one thing that just going back is don't be a total price enforcer. I We have We have past years of this show
57:13that you can go listen to that have a lot of similar discussion here. But eventually somebody in your league is going to get a value.
57:20You know, just clap your hands and say, "Good job." Because it could screw up your team to be a price enforcer. But one more thing I
57:26want to point out about Drake, about the end of your draft. The software that you use, presumably you're using software and I suppose if you do this in person
57:35with a real auctioneer, which is which is an absolute next level move. I've never done that, but I would love to.
57:40Um, your software you use will calculate for you your maximum remaining bid.
57:47And if you have like two or three roster spots left and there's a player you really, really want, okay? And he either
57:54goes up for auction or, um, you nominate him yourself.
58:00Put in your maximum bid.
58:03You will not believe how many times I have seen this this bite somebody in the butt. Okay, so here's a an example. I
58:11put one in in in the article, but you have two roster spots left and $4 to spend. Well, in an auction draft
58:19you need $1 to spend on that roster spot. You can't fill a roster spot for $0. It's not allowed. So, you need at
58:25least $1 to spend for that roster spot.
58:27So, if you have $4 left and you have two roster spots, that means your maximum bid is $3. So, let's just say you, um,
58:37put up, uh, Tucker Kraft for or somebody nominates Tucker Kraft rather for $1.
58:43And you're like, "Oh, I want Tucker Kraft. That's the guy I was waiting for."
58:47$2 bid. Let me raise it. And then the guy who nominated him bids him up to $3.
58:51You could have topped You could have matched that bid, but you can't match it anymore because the $3 bid is already
58:56there. Ties go to the person who makes the initial bid. And you still need that extra fourth dollar to fill out the rest
59:03of your roster. You have lost that player because you didn't put in your top bid um immediately. Make sure you put in your For a player you really want
59:12at the end of your draft, make sure you put in your maximum bid right away. If somebody can beat it, so be it. They can
59:18beat it. You can't do anything about that, but losing a player that you could have otherwise had because you didn't put in your maximum bid, that's a really
59:25good way to want to throw yourself out a window at the end of an auction draft.
59:30>> Yeah, and I I know we're trying to wrap up here, but let me let me piggyback on that by saying you can also see what
59:36their max bid is and make sure that you don't get caught for an extra dollar because sometimes like you'll have 13
59:42bucks and a guy comes up that you want and there's a guy his max bid is eight.
59:47And if you get into a back and forth with this guy and you say seven and he says eight, you end up paying nine.
59:55But if it's at six >> Great point.
59:57>> and he says seven, you you should just go say nine because then you save that buck cuz you you bid his max. So when
60:04you're in a bidding war with somebody, know exactly what their max is. And then if it gets there, then you say their
60:09max, you save a buck.
60:10>> Yeah, it's again, ties go to the original bidder. I can't say, "Hey, I can also spend $8." No, that doesn't
60:18work that way. It's you have to top it in an auction. You can't match in an auction. So Drew, that's a that's a
60:23really good point.
60:25>> Uh so much great information here and I hope you guys out there have learned something and if you want to learn even
60:31more about auctions, we have several ways for you to do so. Number one, go to fantasypoints.com, read Joe's auction strategy uh manifesto, if you will. It's
60:40fantastic. If you need to sign up again, use our code FPP26.
60:44If you want to listen to a draft, I will be the master of ceremonies along with Paul Kelly on Saturday, July 25th from
60:53Canton, Ohio to King's Classic. We will be covering an auction draft that Drew Davenport will be in and drafting in along with 13 other fantasy football
61:02experts. So check that out on SiriusXM Fantasy Sports Radio and Drew is the host of the auction brief podcast and he
61:09has coming up over the next few weeks his auction extravaganza. Oh Drew, what do you call it here where you have like
61:15three nights of auction? I know Joe I think is a part of it where it's just all auction all the time.
61:22>> Well, Joe decided he wanted to go to New Orleans. I don't know, you know, come on air with me, go to New Orleans. Like
61:27these are difficult choices. Yeah, no, I call it the salary cap summit. It's just a way to get get the the format itself front and
61:36center for a couple days in the off season because we are really the the stepchild in the industry that people just, you know, they don't care enough
61:44about auctions. I wanted people to care more. So, it's going to be two nights where 7:00 Eastern time on Sunday the
61:502nd and Monday the 3rd will be drafting.
61:53Um I won't be in the draft. I'll be live commentating the entire auction. And then on Wednesday the 4th, we'll have a
62:01panel of guys like Jim Coventry, Scott Pianowski, Dave Richard, and we're going to just break down those drafts and just all auction extravaganza. It's going to
62:09be 6 hours over three nights of just straight auction goodness.
62:14>> If your wife and kids don't hate you in that now, they will after this.
62:18>> [laughter] >> Yeah, so I apologize. I apologize to both Drew for going to New Orleans. I've never been and when my my wife's an
62:23academic and when she goes to these conferences, if they're cool city that I've never been to, I tag along. She has
62:28to work, I don't. I'll eat my way down Bourbon Street. And Drake, I would have loved to host the the the show with you
62:35at the King's Classic or is it that it's at the Expo, right? The Expo.
62:39>> the Fantasy Football Expo. I wanted you in the draft because I give up my seat in the draft to someone so that I can
62:47nerd out on the radio. I'm actually in the league.
62:50>> No, Joe, you're not you're not allowed.
62:51I don't I don't want you in that draft.
62:52>> Well, but well, even if even if I was going to be allowed, even if I wanted to be, which I which I would, my my wife is
62:59throwing me a 40th birthday party. So, me me and me and Brawley will be we'll be lubricated, let's put it that
63:05way, on July 25th. So, it'll be fun, but I tell you what, I said this to our producer executive producer Dick Stevens Kitner,
63:15I said, "Look, the tunes can wait. I'm going to be putting that that draft on and the guest can listen to the to Drake
63:21and Paul called the draft and while while we're grilling hot dogs."
63:25>> That's a lot of pressure, man. I I better I better get some good deals out.
63:28Better make you proud.
63:30>> All right, guys. Well, if you like this show on YouTube, make sure you leave a comment, share it with some friends in your league. Don't just
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63:44Big shout out to producer Trey behind the glass. For Joe, for Drew. I'm Brian Drake. We'll see you next time on the
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