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1:58Welcome to the NFL Pro Week 4 Reaction Podcast.
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2:09Is offense in the NFL broken? We are four weeks into the 2026 NFL season, and we are already asking that question.
2:16Trevor Sikkema, Brett Coleman here with you guys on another episode of NFL Pro.
2:20We are recapping so much of what we saw from the Sunday slate in Week 4 of the NFL.
2:26And Brett, all jokes aside, this week, teams converted on third down on just 34.4% of their attempts, the lowest rate in a single week since 2017.
2:35See, we can phrase it one of two ways.
2:38Either offense is broken or defense is back. So we can be optimist or pessimist here.
2:43You know, you've been in the sports media landscape long enough to where the thumbnail needs to be both of us doing
2:50this, you know, and it's just offense is broken in the NFL.
2:53So no, but there are two sides of the coin.
2:57But I think there's some more layers to peel back from it as well.
3:01I mean, the biggest difference between this week and Week 1 is that defenses can now tackle.
3:07Right? That's what we talked about after Week 1, all the yards after contact that happened in Week 1, the super high explosive rates.
3:14Every single week since Week 1, the missed tackle rate, specifically on third down, has gotten better.
3:20It was 14.6% Week 1, which is a bad missed tackle rate, down to 12.7% Week 2, 10.8% Week 3, 7% as of us recording this.
3:28We're not done with Week 1 as of recording, but as of recording this.
3:32A 7% missed tackle rate on third down is half of what it was three weeks ago.
3:38So, yeah, you're not going to convert on third down if you're not breaking any tackles whatsoever, especially when most third downs
3:45are going to be third and seven plus, generally speaking.
3:48So I think to me, it's just defenders kind of shaking the rust off and learning how to tackle and get guys on the ground again.
3:56Yeah, and one of the games, at least one that pops into my mind immediately, this stat came to life.
4:02It was that Bengals-Jags game, which we'll talk a little bit more a little bit later in the show, but that fourth
4:09and ten play for the Bengals, Joe Burrow hit Chase Brown well before the first down mark, and what are you hoping?
4:16You're hoping, hey, I'm getting the ball to my guy with momentum, going the direction I want him to go.
4:23He's just got to make somebody miss, and it was a great rally and tackle by Jacksonville, and that ended up being the game right there.
4:31And he's upended close to the first down marker.
4:34He's short. Rayon Lane tripped him up. He's going to be short.
4:38On third and short, so third and one to two yards to game, 60.3% conversion, right?
4:43Okay, it makes sense. That's pretty high. Obviously, you don't have a long way to go.
4:48Third and medium, so three to six yards to gain, right around 43.9%, but then also, Brett, third and long, so third
4:55and seven plus, just a 15.6% conversion rate, and there were 167 plays that were third and long that go into this.
5:02To me, that 15.6% conversion rate speaks right to what you were just saying, the missed tackle rate of, hey, we've got
5:09these plays where sometimes the quarterbacks feel like they've got to pass it beyond the sticks, and they've got to do the
5:16work to get the conversion, but there are other times, certainly we saw this week where offenses were very clearly motivated to
5:23just let their playmakers make plays, and defenses just were not having it this week.
5:27And I do think that, all jokes aside from how I introed the show, that is a cool thing that defenses have
5:34stepped up this much to cut the missed tackle rate from week one in half already.
5:39And you're pairing a lot of these zone coverages with pressure, where the entire goal is just to force a quick throw.
5:46Like, yeah, we'd love to get a sack, but really, we would just love to speed up the quarterback so that they can't throw deep.
5:54Like, that's the whole goal. Just eliminate the deep pass through pressure.
5:58Like, the pressure is the coverage. And if we can just force a quick throw and then rally and tackle, that's the entire point of a zero blitz.
6:07Because most quarterbacks are going to identify, okay, there's more rushers than there's blockers.
6:11I have to get it out. You know, the entire goal is just, you have to throw it under five yards and
6:18see if you can make us miss. And at least this week, nobody could.
6:23Yeah, and I think that that's just an overall strategy, like you said, of how you handle these super talented quarterbacks.
6:29And it was just a little bit of a microcosm of that strategy and that plan working for defenses here in week four.
6:37We'll see how the offense is punched back in the next couple of weeks.
6:41Maybe it is pushing the ball a little bit further.
6:44Not as much, hey, dump it off and not giving these teams a chance to rally and tackle.
6:50And all of that is a perfect transition in the first game that we wanted to talk about here because lack of
6:57third down success very much went into the Philadelphia Eagles not being able to hold on to that game, losing to the Los Angeles Rams.
7:05And we talked in the preview show saying, whoever loses this game, the short-term outlook at least, we start to hit the
7:12panic button a little bit for these teams. There's execution errors.
7:15There's coaching errors. Everybody contributes to it. It's an ultimate team game.
7:19Rams end up winning. Eagles lost a slew of injuries for the Eagles that they've been through this season.
7:25But no matter how you slice it, going 0-12 on third down for Philadelphia, I don't care if you had your starters
7:32out there to make up for it or what, it's never going to be a recipe for success.
7:380-12 for Philadelphia. It was the worst third down performance in the history of the Philadelphia Eagles.
7:43They've been around for a long time. I believe it.
7:47That's how bad that was. And it's so easy for people to jump on Jalen Hurts and say it's all his fault
7:54or it's all the offensive line's fault, specifically Cam Juergens, or the receivers or whatever, or Nick Sirianni or Sean Mannion.
8:00The reality is, if you go 0-12, it's everybody's fault.
8:03Everybody had to be bad for that to happen.
8:06And I think they were all bad in their own ways, and they just all combined into this miserable vortex of badness that resulted in 0-12.
8:14Not the vortex of badness! The vortex of badness.
8:17It was hard to watch. Like, genuinely, it was hard to watch.
8:21And it was one of those games where they jumped out in front and they had a, I guess you'd call it
8:28a commanding lead, but it didn't feel real, right?
8:31Because you get two interceptions on Matthew Stafford. You get a 40-plus yard punt return.
8:36Like, that led to 17 points by itself. And it just, it felt like, yes, the Eagles were capitalizing on mistakes, but
8:43it sure felt like, man, it kind of feels like the Rams are just making a bunch of mistakes here, not necessarily that they're getting massively outplayed.
8:51What happens if the Rams start playing a clean game?
8:54And we saw that in the second half. They started playing like themselves.
8:59And the weight of the Rams' talent relative to the weight of the Eagles' talent that they had left that wasn't injured
9:06yet, that really bore out in the second half.
9:08And I think what was really frustrating for Eagles fans is they could feel that and they knew, not that they were
9:15getting away with one, but they knew that, like, this was a game that they probably weren't supposed to win because of all the injuries.
9:23And yet, late in the game, they had a 96% chance to win.
9:27They were on the Rams' two-yard line. They're up by 10.
9:31They can take a 17-0 lead. And you're feeling great as an Eagles fan because this isn't a game that you're supposed
9:38to be in, let alone winning this handily. And then that third and two happened.
9:43Speaking of somebody who was a spotter, by the way, back in the day, things happen quickly, right?
9:48And the spotters have a few seconds to try to point something out to the broadcast crew before we move on to
9:55the next play, especially if it's a third down going into a fourth and goal opportunity.
10:00It's hard to see things in real time. And at the time, on that kind of bobbled snap that led to what
10:07I guess you can call an improvised run by Jalen Hurts that got stopped short of the goal line, you know, the
10:14broadcast crew said, oh, the snap got bobbled, messy exchange.
10:18It happens, whatever. Move on to fourth down. But again, some of the basic fundamentals.
10:22He dropped the snap. Can't turn his body in time.
10:25He does a good job getting back to the line of scrimmage.
10:29Looks like he had a good crease there for him behind that triple team block.
10:34Oh, so frustrating. Well, the advantage that you and I have here at NFL Pro is we have access to every single
10:41camera angle, whether it made the broadcast or not, in that little 20-second window between third and fourth down.
10:47So I took the opportunity to go back and look at every single camera angle and see, was it just a bad snap or did something else happen?
10:56And I found two different angles that tell an entirely different story.
11:00And this will make Eagles fans sick. Cam Juergens, who's not exactly popular in Philadelphia these days, he false started on this play.
11:07But it didn't get called. Eagles fans probably wish it would.
11:11This false start meant that he was pulling early before Jalen Hurts could actually fully get a handle of the snap and
11:17then pivot and hand the ball off. And so when Cam Juergens false started and pulled, his hand hit the ball in Jalen Hurts' hand.
11:25So that's what caused the bobble, which means he couldn't pivot and hand it off, which means the play got broken.
11:32If the exchange happened cleanly, i.e. if Cam Juergens didn't false start, that probably scores.
11:37And the Eagles do go up by 17 points.
11:40And at that point, that late surge by the Rams likely doesn't matter.
11:44And we're talking about a completely different game at that point.
11:47All Cam Juergens had to do was not false start and run into Jalen Hurts, and this is a totally different conversation.
11:54But it was a very subtle mistake that the broadcast didn't catch at the time.
11:59Not that I blame them. Like, I had to hunt through 15 different angles to find it.
12:04But that's the real story of what happened. And then you get to the fourth and goal situation where we're calling a
12:11shotgun pass on fourth and short, which is not something that I like anyway.
12:16It wasn't a call that I would have leaned on in that situation.
12:20I would have preferred either an under center run or under center play action, but that's neither here nor there.
12:26But I just wanted to set the record straight of what happened in that goal line sequence because that was the game.
12:33The Rams then mounted a 98-yard touchdown drive, completely flipped everything, but it wasn't on Jalen.
12:38It was on his left guard. Yeah, and it was tough sledding, I think, just for the entire Philadelphia offense.
12:45Hurts, second highest pressure face in a game in his career.
12:48Not just this season, but his career. Rams also blitzed on more than 60% of their plays.
12:54Highest blitz rate in a single game they've ever had under Chris Shula, their defensive coordinator.
12:5913 pressures, two sacks on 18 blitzes. That's an insanely high success rate.
13:03And Hurts versus the blitz, I mean, he wasn't good versus the blitz.
13:07Five for 16, 46 total passing yards. He did have a touchdown against the blitz, but like you said, they were kind of barely hanging on.
13:15But I want to say this too, not that I want this game review to be all negative, but do you really feel great about the Rams winning?
13:24I mean, sure, they obviously came back and it was kind of vintage of what we saw from the Rams last year
13:31when we felt really good about them. But I think to myself, it took you a long time in the game to get to that point.
13:39Something that's been bothering me about the Rams was their lack of separation for wide receivers.
13:44They have the lowest average separation to their pass catchers in the NFL at just 3.0 this season.
13:50Now, I looked at it last year. They were also the lowest in the NFL at 3.1.
13:55So it's basically the same offense. The only difference is Matthew Stafford was playing at an insanely accurate MVP level last year, and he's not this year.
14:04And that little margin for error is now turning into a big margin for error for this team.
14:10So look, maybe this is the kick in the pants that they needed, but man, I don't know how much better I
14:17feel about the Rams, even the fact that they got the win in this game.
14:21This offense still looks incredibly difficult every single week, and they just happened to go up against a Philadelphia team that was
14:280 for 12 on third down, could have still won the game anyways at the goal line, like you mentioned.
14:35It was just, this game was two teams that have playoffs aspirations that I feel like it was a mess.
14:41Any final thoughts on this one before we move on to the next game?
14:46It's the kind of game that even if you win, you know, you're silently staring out the window for the rest of
14:53the evening, just saying, oh my God, how did we survive that?
14:56Like, nobody actually won that one. You just lived through it.
15:00Well, the Rams survived it, and I suppose that's all that really matters given the schedule that they have upcoming because they play the Buffalo Bills next.
15:08We've tried to, you know, do a lot of things that were not in alignment with what is winning football, but you
15:15can't win it until the fourth quarter, and our guys came alive when they did.
15:20We gotta talk about the undefeated matchup of the Kansas City Chiefs and the Las Vegas Raiders because the people have been
15:27in the comments for a couple of weeks on us saying, hey, we gotta talk about the Raiders more, gotta talk about the Raiders more.
15:35We previewed the game last week on the Friday episode, and I gotta say, man, this game absolutely lived up to the billing.
15:42This was a fantastic showdown, and when we were going through our picks for who we thought was gonna win this game,
15:49I talked about how, hey, I'm taking the Chiefs, but I think this is gonna be a really close game.
15:56I didn't even think that it would be this close.
15:59This game was a ton of fun until the very end, and we just came off of a game where I said,
16:06I don't know if I'd feel good if I was either team, the Rams or the Eagles.
16:11I'd kind of feel great if I'm either team, the Chiefs or the Raiders, and I know the Raiders are gonna say,
16:18hey, no moral victories, no moral, but you gotta think about what this team was even just last year.
16:24You know you're right there with the Kansas City Chiefs given how good this team is playing, and I'll talk about Mahomes
16:31a little bit more in a second, but what'd you think about this game?
16:36What's your main takeaway here from Raiders-Chiefs? Man, they gave them all they could handle.
16:40Like, yeah. It was right there for the taking, and to get two touchdowns in 19 seconds, it was indicative of the kind of program the Chiefs are.
16:49Like, last year notwithstanding, last year was just, let's talk about a vortex of badness, the 2025 Chiefs, but this is what this team has always been.
16:58They find a way in the fourth quarter. You know, they get a big play on special teams.
17:04I would say two big plays on special teams between the punch out by Jeff Bassa and then the incredible punt coverage
17:11that got down at the one-yard line. That third phase really showed up for Kansas City in a matchup that we thought
17:17was going to be, you know, not defined by, but we knew that special teams was going to be a big factor
17:24in this one because these were two good special teams units going at it.
17:29In this game, in terms of special teams EPA per play, Kansas City was plus .27.
17:34Vegas, uncharacteristically, was minus .27, and it was largely because of that fumble and the kickoff return.
17:39And that was kind of the difference in the game.
17:43Like, these two teams were going blow for blow.
17:45Like, they were making plays on offense. They were making plays on defense.
17:50The Raiders were frustrating them, but Mahomes hit these two big bombs deep down the field.
17:55One to Xavier Worthy early on, one to Tyquan late in the game.
17:59Unfortunately, resulted in a horrific injury to Tyquan Thornton, and we hope he heals up.
18:03But as far as the play itself, it was exactly what they needed.
18:08You know, I thought the Raiders' defensive staff was probably incensed because this was not a man coverage team on third down going into this week.
18:16They were not a big blitz team on third down going into this week.
18:20And yet, those two deep shots on third down were against man blitzes.
18:24I'm sure they're like, how did they know that was coming?
18:28Because they were perfect play calls against man blitzes and Mahomes hit both of them.
18:33So, I just, I love this game, man. The coaches were great.
18:36The players were great. It was back and forth, all three phases.
18:40Like, this was, this was damn good football. Yeah, look, if you're the Raiders, you would have liked to defend the run a little bit better.
18:49Kenneth Walker, 22 carries, 177 rushing yards, which is a new career high after he set his previous career high in week one of this season.
18:57So, look, Kenneth Walker was unbelievable, but he's been unbelievable the entire season.
19:01If you are a Raiders fan and if you're in that locker room, you gotta feel good about the game plan that
19:08you put out there when it came to stopping Patrick Mahomes because you mentioned this, Mahomes did most of his damage against
19:15the cover zero plays that he faced. Mahomes in this game, four for five, 102 passing yards, one touchdown, no interceptions, and
19:22a 158.3 passer rating against cover zero. You look at all the other coverages that he faced against cover three, which he
19:29saw more than 40% of the time in this game.
19:32Six for 12, 41 passing yards, 58 passer rating.
19:35I mean, cover four, three for six for 60 yards, and he had a touchdown, which helps the QBR, but it's like
19:42you look at so many of these other statistics for Mahomes passing.
19:46Nine for 21 on passes where he had more than two and a half seconds to throw the ball.
19:52A lot of times, if you don't get to Mahomes, if Mahomes has got more time to throw it, he's gonna find the guy.
19:59He's gonna absolutely kill you if you don't get to him, and in fact, it was the opposite.
20:05They played so well in coverage for such an extended period of time.
20:09His average time to throw was over three seconds in this game, and it was not effective, at least outside of the man coverage reps that he faced.
20:18So I look at this game, and I go, God, the Raiders are so close.
20:23The Raiders are so close, and even with everything that we just talked about there, if you don't have the fumble on
20:30special teams there in the fourth quarter, you may have still won this game.
20:34So to me, I know everybody hates moral victories, but you gotta feel good if you're a Raiders fan with this game.
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22:32I think it's bittersweet because you know you can hang and you know that the 3-0 start wasn't fraudulent because you hung
22:39with this team and you had them on the ropes and I think if I'm a Raiders fan, I am upset because
22:46it's an opportunity but you know it's not the only opportunity and that's the key takeaway.
22:51They're not going to go away. They are in this race especially when you got the Texans falling to 0-4, the Chargers falling to 0-4.
22:59Good teams are playing bad all over the league and here you have the Raiders surging to a 3-1 start and hanging
23:06with a team that we all expect to be there in the end.
23:11If I'm the Raiders, I'm thinking, okay, I'm not just going to be the plucky seven seed.
23:16I might be able to make a play for the AFC West here and if I'm a Raiders fan, it feels pretty
23:23damn good because I don't remember the last time Raiders fans could actually think about that in October.
23:29First of all, don't call us plucky. We don't know what it means.
23:33That's a fancy word. I'm going to take that as an insult.
23:37Shout out to Avengers Infinity War for that one.
23:39By the way, before we move on, Kirk Cousins continues to look good.
23:44Dude, 31 for 52. That's right. I said 31 and then the second number that I mentioned which was the amount of
23:50attempts that he had in the game was 52.
23:53It's the first time that he's had that many passing attempts since week five in 2024 when he had 58 passing attempts
24:00against, yeah, of course, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 365 passing yards in this game though.
24:05To me, Brett, I love what Kirk brings to the table.
24:09We have talked about this multiple times. The way that he is playing, you understand why Fernando Mendoza is still on the
24:16sideline because it's that veteran presence, especially, I always look at those play action plays where Clint Kubiak is asking Kirk Cousins
24:23to fully turn his back to the line of scrimmage and to the defense, really sell the play action and then immediately
24:29turn around and he knows exactly what he is going to see.
24:33You only get that from reps, from experience, from years in the league and having those play action plays and yet still
24:40a decisive ability to get the ball out of your hands quickly exactly where it needs to go.
24:46That's what we're seeing from Kirk. I feel really good about where Kirk Cousins is right now and I wouldn't have said
24:53that certainly the last couple of years that he was in Atlanta, I was not saying that and I wondered if it
25:00was like, all right, you signed Kirk Cousins to start early on this team ahead of Fernando Mendoza but is that more pageantry than anything else?
25:08It is not. Kirk Cousins can still play in this league and I think that we saw that today.
25:14Especially compared to the recent historical quarterback performances up in Minnesota.
25:18I'm going to refrain from saying something that will make Vikings fans even more sad than they already are but watching what Kirk did.
25:25How sad can you be at 4-0? How sad can you be at 4-0?
25:30Not all 4-0 is the same, man. Hey, hey.
25:33They had 72 plays and scored 15 points. Come on, man.
25:36Those 15 points were enough to get the win.
25:39It wouldn't have been close to getting the win against Dallas and Houston today who, man, 64 total points in this next game that we're hitting here.
25:48Dallas comes away with the win and the exact opposite of 4-0 is unfortunately what the Houston Texans are in this game.
25:54I don't know. When you think of the Cowboys and the Texans this matchup is the takeaway more about the Cowboys or is it more about the Texans?
26:03What do you think? Where do you want to start with this one?
26:08Would you rather get into a shootout with the Dallas Cowboys or John Wick?
26:12I kind of go back and forth. I think you're dead either way and the Texans still chose to do it.
26:19I've seen all four movies and yeah, I think that you are dead either way.
26:23So yeah. And I've seen all four Cowboys games to start the season.
26:27So yes. It's just box office. I mean both the John Wick movies and the Cowboys office.
26:33Oh, 100%. I'm there opening weekend every single time.
26:36Doesn't matter. The movies are exactly the same. The movies are exactly the same every single time.
26:41And I'm basically front row every single time on opening weekend.
26:45But that is how the Cowboys office feels. I literally don't care.
26:48It's like, oh, I'm going to watch Keanu just do crazy stuff for the next two hours?
26:54Great. I'm going to watch Dak and C.D. That's Dak.
26:57That's Dak. Yeah, once we got to like 15 catches, I pretty much understood where this was going and then they just
27:04added a few more on top of that. What about the 16th one?
27:08What about the 17th one? They just couldn't stop him.
27:11They could not stop C.D. Lamb. And this is a good secondary.
27:15Like, it's not like Derek Stingley and Kabari Lasseter and Jalen Petrie and Bullock.
27:20Like, they can all play. I mean, this season doesn't look like they can, but in theory, in a vacuum, they're good DBs.
27:27This is a good secondary. And they just got cooked in this game.
27:31C.D. was getting open at will. George Pickens made a catch in this game where he wasn't open at all and still
27:38made it anyway because he's George Pickens. Like, Dak was on a heater.
27:42If you're looking at just his passing stats over 15 yards, this is absurd.
27:46He was 6 of 7 for 148, so almost 150 yards in just seven attempts here.
27:52A 158.3 rating. That is perfect. He had a touchdown at yards per attempt of 21.1.
27:57So he got anything he wanted deep down the field, even against this Texans defense.
28:01Under 15 yards is still pretty damn good as well, but it was really the explosive plays that were the difference in this one.
28:09The stars came out, man. No pun intended. I just...
28:12C.J. Stroud played great and it didn't matter. It really didn't matter at all.
28:17Kamari Lassner, you brought his name up and Kamari, man, he's a hell of a corner, but allowed eight receptions for 136
28:24yards on 11 targets and over 50 coverage snaps played today.
28:27This is one of... I gotta think it's gotta be the worst Kamari Lassner game that he has played so far in
28:34his career because he is only getting better. Brett, I was looking this up with the Texans defense because I...
28:40I had these question marks myself because you're right, this was not a C.J.
28:45Stroud issue type of a game. It'd be one thing if the defense was playing as good as it was last year and C.J.
28:52was consistently struggling, it'd be an easy thing to just say, hey, the offense isn't working.
28:58And look, going into this week, they were struggling on short yardage situations, converting on the ground when it came to those third and fourth and short situations.
29:06So that's still something to monitor throughout this season.
29:09But when you play the way that the offense did today, you give yourself a chance to win ballgames and this defense
29:16should have been able to win them this ballgame even against the Cowboys secondary.
29:21But I tried to look up some stats for the Texans so far this year versus what they were last year.
29:27And I was like, man, are they playing more zone and more man?
29:31No, the rates are pretty much the same. Are they playing more cover three?
29:36Are they playing more cover four? More split safety stuff?
29:39More single high safety stuff? No, the rates are kind of the same.
29:43Okay, well, what about separation from receivers? You know, are they giving up more average separation when the ball's getting there?
29:50Not really. The only difference that I could find really with the Texans is something that every coach preaches, honestly.
29:56They are the worst team in the NFL so far through four weeks when it comes to explosive play rate allowed.
30:03They are over 20%, 21.4% of the time they are giving up an explosive play.
30:08It was just 16.5% last season. And then when you look at them as a turnover defense last year, they were top
30:1510 in the NFL in fumbles, recovered, and they were third in the NFL in total interceptions last season.
30:21So far through four weeks this year, one recovered fumble, one interception.
30:24You're giving up more explosive plays. You're not taking the ball away.
30:28The rest of the stuff, like you mentioned, this is a talented secondary.
30:32This is a talented defensive line. This is a talented team.
30:36They're just not coming away with the big plays on their end and they're giving up way more big plays on the offense's end.
30:43And until that changes, we're not going to be able to talk about this Texans team as a turnaround type of a
30:50team and even now, the 0-4 hole, I mean, forget the division.
30:54I mean, you're just hoping you make the playoffs at this point.
30:58You are hoping that there is some way that you make the playoffs, but anything else on this game?
31:04It's only been done once, by the way. I was literally a baby.
31:08It was the early 90s Chargers, the only team that's ever dug out of an 0-4 hole to make the playoffs.
31:15I think it was 92 off the top of my head.
31:18And maybe, okay, the 17th game gives them a little bit more wiggle room because there was less tolerance for it when
31:25there was a 16-game schedule, but even then, you can lose maybe two more games the entire rest of the year.
31:32And we have a lot of games to play.
31:35And I do have a lot of, I don't really have a lot of confidence in them doing that.
31:41So, yeah, I have egg on my face. I thought this team could have challenged for the AFC.
31:47I never in a million years thought it was going to be the defense that's the issue.
31:52Meanwhile, CJ Stroud, if you, I just want to read off his numbers and give him his flowers.
31:58He was not the problem. He had a 126.7 passer rating.
32:01He was 11.2 yards per attempt. His completion percentage over expected was 14.2%.
32:05Dropback success rate was 57.1%. We praise the Cowboys.
32:08That's like 13% higher in dropback success rate than even Dallas was today.
32:12They had 51 plays the entire game and put up like 400 yards of offense.
32:17Like, CJ was awesome. I never thought the defense would be the problem with this team.
32:22Really quick, I'm going to list off the schedule because this is actually more interesting than I thought it was going to
32:29be for the Texas schedule because we talked about it being dire.
32:33Okay? It's at Tennessee next week. It's overseas versus the Jacksonville Jaguars.
32:37Okay? Neutral site game. Versus the Giants by week at the Chargers, at the Browns, versus the Colts, versus the Ravens, at
32:44the Steelers, at the Commanders, versus Jacksonville, at Philadelphia, at Green Bay versus Tennessee.
32:48It's doable. It's, boy, it's doable. To go on a run, it's doable.
32:52You have to thread every needle while hitting every green light to do it.
32:57They did it from 0-3 last year. If they could do it from 0-4 this year.
33:02That's the thrill, baby. That's the thrill. It's being alive.
33:05It's being a Texans fan. This sucks, Trevor. This is why you watch.
33:09You're just lucky I don't make you do a segment on the Bucs every week.
33:14Like, I have to do a segment on the Texans every week.
33:18I'm the only one that has to validate my trauma on this show, not you.
33:22Hey, the Bucs segment happened on Saturday when we got to watch future Buccaneer Jeremiah Smith do his thing once again for Ohio State.
33:30But we can talk about that when we get more to draft season.
33:34Cincinnati. Jags get out of Cincinnati with a win here, a hard-fought victory.
33:38That is for sure. This game definitely lived up to the billing.
33:42It wasn't as top-tier execution on offense type of a game like maybe we thought with a potential firework show, but Jamar Chase goes out of this game.
33:51T. Higgins goes out of this game for a little bit.
33:54The Jags offense wasn't quite explosive, but Brett, where I want to start this is to give flowers to the Jags defense
34:01and how they're playing because the Bengals had just 23 total rushing yards on 15 carries in this game.
34:07And I think a lot of that has to do with how we started this show and how we talked about teams
34:14being willing to give you things underneath and then rally and tackle.
34:18Jags, 81% zone drop just a 19% blitz rate in this game.
34:22They were going to rush with four, they were going to keep guys back in zone coverage, and when you threw it
34:29underneath, they were going to be ready to rally and tackle.
34:32A less than 10% missed tackle rate from Jacksonville in this game.
34:36To me, that is what their game plan was going into it, and they executed this beautifully.
34:42Everyone on the team was ready for a run fit whenever the Bengals were going to go to the run game, and
34:49they were ready to rally to the football any time that it was some sort of a short pass between zero and nine yards.
34:56And clearly, it frustrated Joe Burrow as well with a couple of throws that you go, man, Joe Burrow normally didn't make those kinds of throws.
35:04And I think it was just that mounting frustration of how Anthony Camp and I was calling this game as the defensive
35:11coordinator for the Jags, and I just thought it was an excellent job.
35:16Liam Cohen gets a lot of praise on this coaching staff for the offensive side of the ball, but I wanted to
35:23give the flowers to the defensive side of the ball as well.
35:26The Jags are a complete team, and I think through four weeks, they've shown that they can win on the offense and the defensive side of the ball.
35:35It's tough to win ugly games. I mean, it's tough to win any game in the NFL, but especially the ugly games.
35:42It's kind of the theme of today is teams winning ugly.
35:46There were 24 total penalties in this one. 13 were on Jacksonville.
35:5011 were on Cincy, so they didn't necessarily get the benefit of the refs in this one.
35:55Over 200 penalty yards between the two teams. It was terrible.
35:58It was not a good game to watch on TV, at least until the second half, because there was 18 penalties in
36:05the first half alone out of 24. It was hard to get into a flow, and as a player, it's one thing
36:12to be a fan and not be able to get into the flow of the game.
36:17As a player, it's really hard to get into the flow of the game when it's just stopping every two minutes or even faster than that.
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38:16Just because of constant penalties on both teams. And you don't know what down and distance you're in because it keeps changing every 30 seconds.
38:24So it was tough, not to mention three touchdowns got nullified by penalty in this one, two of them for Jacksonville.
38:31Weirdly enough, first and ten in the red zone on the Bengals' last drive, that's when they decided to not call penalties.
38:38And to me, there was like a clear pass interference on that first and ten.
38:43DB got there early. No call on that one.
38:46And that's what frustrates me the most because if you're going to call 24 penalties in a game, it better be consistent.
38:53Like if we're all going to be miserable, we should all be equally miserable here.
38:57But whatever. I'm not bitter at all. But it was a tough game to watch and I think really the stabilizing forces
39:04here were the Jacksonville defense, to your point, and Trevor Lawrence.
39:08He took care of the ball. He didn't throw any back-breaking picks and make things harder on his team than they wanted to be.
39:15He made good throws. He made good decisions. And they were just the more stable team through all that chaotic mess of a game that this was.
39:24Bam Cohen had a good day. Yes and no.
39:27I take issue with the game management decisions they made at the end of this one that I think potentially gave Cincinnati
39:34a way to backdoor this one and come back.
39:37They were at midfield as fourth and three. If you get this first down, the game's over.
39:42Essentially. NGS has like they track decisions that coaches make on fourth downs and they'll give you the expected win probability based
39:49on if you go for it, if you kick, if you punt, all that everything.
39:54NGS had a strong go for it there at plus 4.7% win probability.
39:58I personally would have gone for it there knowing Joe Burrow's on the other side and he's in the middle of a heater throwing 10 straight completions.
40:06even though Jamar's out of the game, like he's still got T Higgins at that point.
40:12Like I just, I don't trust it. I would rather put I wonder if that, I wonder if that went into it for them.
40:19I wonder if Liam was a little bit like they don't have Jamar.
40:23So I feel like it's still Joe and T.
40:26No, I, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying that like it's, it's, it totally against it because I do understand what you're saying.
40:34I just wonder if that maybe went into him going like, Hey, they don't have, they don't have Jamar.
40:40It's possible, but the fact that they intentionally took the penalty and then punted and then since he drove right down the field anyway, right.
40:48And got to the red zone where in my opinion, the non call or the missed call on PI that should have been called happened.
40:56Jacksonville held on fourth and 10, but even earlier in the game, like there was a different fourth and opportunity from Cincinnati's
41:0341 yard line that they also punted on. They were in Cam Little's range.
41:07Cam Little's range is like 10 yards, even more than that.
41:11And they punted Cam Little's range is on the other side of the 50, put him in the parking lot.
41:17I don't care. He's going to kick a field goal.
41:20So do you remember the, do you remember the early Madden games?
41:24Like Matt, I think it was like Madden 04 where you could buy like the trading cards and then activate them sometimes during the game.
41:32And one of them was like unlimited kick power.
41:35So you can, if you, if you played this trading card, you could kick it from like your own one yard line and it would go the distance.
41:44You still had to aim it correctly, I think, but it would actually go 100 yards if you played this card.
41:50That feels like Cam Little a little bit right now.
41:53And he's like factoring in the Coriolis effect for a field goal.
41:57You do. You need to do it. Yeah. But I just, I don't understand like if you have that kind of weapon
42:04at kicker, why are you punting from the 41, like your opponent is 41 yard line.
42:09So Liam, I think he, he got away with one little bit in this game, but you know, a win's a win.
42:16We'll take it. Okay. Those are our deep dives, but we've heard you guys in the comments that you want us to talk about more games.
42:24So we're going to try to do that here.
42:27We're going to go to a little whip around, go through a lot of the games that we didn't touch on for
42:34the deep dives and just say something from our observations that we've seen in the data or what we watched today on film.
42:42First one is the Green Bay Packers and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
42:45Begrudgingly, I am bringing this up, Brett, because we had to talk about the Texans and we had to do that.
42:52And unfortunately you had to slog through that. And so I will acknowledge the fact ball team and lost to the Green Bay Packers.
43:00Packers used 13 personnel on 16 plays in week four, gained 128 yards, the team's most plays and yards in that heavy
43:07of a personnel and 13 personnel in a game in the next gen stat era, which is since 2016.
43:13So heavy personnel packages. And I think, Brett, that's exactly how you're going to go after this Buccaneers team, the linebacker level, not great.
43:20And it's just the defense is all over the place for the Buccaneers.
43:24Side note, can we talk about Lucas Van Dess?
43:27Where did this come from? I mean, what are you talking about?
43:31First round pick? First round pick? First round pick?
43:34I realize that, but he was left for dead this offseason.
43:37I know, I know. He's been a lot better this year.
43:41Yes, you were right. You are right. He's been great.
43:44He's been great. So good for him. Jalen Daniels getting the start for the Buccaneers.
43:49I thought he looked fine for what you would want these expectations to be, but it's a mess in Tampa in a lot of different ways.
43:57The Tennessee Titans and the Baltimore Ravens. The return of the King, King Henry, coming back in this game.
44:03Baltimore wins it pretty easily. I'm not going to lie.
44:06I mean, Tennessee is just not really competitive this season.
44:09Specifically, we get another big Zay Flowers game in this one.
44:13He was a major factor every single time that he is out there when he is healthy.
44:18His presence, I think, makes all the difference in the world.
44:22I think that the Tennessee Titans offense is still just so all over the place inconsistent.
44:27You can have some big plays, but then you've just got some absolute stinkers and some stretches of the game where you're
44:34getting nothing from your offense, at least not what you need to.
44:38Cam Ward, now is the same amount of career losses as your Marcus Russell?
44:42You know, not great. I like Cam Ward. I think he's a hard worker.
44:47I think he is yet another quarterback that unfortunately needed a different situation than what than the one that he got drafted into.
44:54It's it's me. It's no different than Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, like these quarterbacks that they have a ton of talent.
45:00They're good people. They're hard workers. They're just not ready yet.
45:04But when you get drafted that high, you have to play.
45:07And he wasn't ready to play. And I it's just it's bad timing.
45:12Like the timelines do not align. And that's why I'm so happy that Fernando Mendoza doesn't have to play in Vegas this
45:19year, because I think it would have been maybe similar, even though the talent in Vegas this year is better than the talent in Tennessee.
45:26It's just some guys, not even some, a lot of quarterbacks come out of college are not ready to play.
45:33I think he was one of them. And it's just unfortunate, especially in today's age where it feels like if you get
45:40picked in the first round, let alone be a number one overall pick, you start right away.
45:45No questions asked. And I just think that's a horrible rule to have for young quarterbacks.
45:50But that's a topic much deeper for another time.
45:53Denver and San Francisco. San Francisco ends up winning this game.
45:57Man, Bo Nix completed just one of nine passes down the field of 10 or more air yards for 30 yards.
46:03Did not attempt the deep pass of 20 or more air yards until under two minutes in the fourth quarter.
46:10You talked about this last week. It can't just be fourth quarter.
46:13And it just, it feels so conservative for them.
46:16He was over three on deep attempts. I mean, it was just far too conservative for the Broncos for whatever reason.
46:23It just, you've got to get more before we get to the fourth quarter in the two minute trail where you're just,
46:30you're, you're letting it fly after that. It's too late.
46:33I still have to go back and look at the all 22 for every single play.
46:38I'm very curious if it's a, he didn't do it because nothing was open or he didn't do it because he didn't
46:45trust it, which to me are two very different things, but having, having an average air yards per attempt deep into the second half of under four yards.
46:54Like you won't win that way. You won't win football games.
46:58Yes. You'll barely win football games doing that with like prime Derrick Henry as you're running back.
47:03It's just like you, you have to be more of a threat to pass the charges in the Seahawks chargers did make
47:10it interesting there at the end, but it kind of just felt like this was always Seattle's game to win and they do win this one.
47:18The chargers dropped to Oh and four on the season.
47:21To me, the Seattle Seahawks their defense won the day in this one, only seven and a half missed tackle rate for
47:28Seattle 56.3% pressure rate on the day had a four to one turnover ratio in their favor.
47:34Justin Herbert continues to just look broken. Justin Herbert's two interceptions, but the first one was bad.
47:39Second one was worse. I just, there are times when I don't know what he's looking at it.
47:45He's firing it right to defenders and it just going back to when we were worried about what we saw in week
47:52one, it just reeks of frustration already so early in the season.
47:56And, and man, he has just been a shell of the potential that he has early on this season.
48:02Honestly, my main takeaway beyond Justin Herbert, not looking like Justin Herbert.
48:05we complained about the number of penalties in Jacksonville since he, this one had 30, there were 30 penalties in this game.
48:12Like we thought 24 was bad. That's crazy. Wasn't almost 300 yards of penalties between the two teams.
48:18I, I, I got to look what the, it was 280.
48:22It was 280. Like that's awful. Like this game also started with back-to-back interceptions on the first two plays of the game.
48:29This was gross. This was gross football. I don't think anybody enjoyed it on either side.
48:34Everybody's happy just to be done with this game.
48:36We're moving on to week five. It was bad.
48:39The refs almost outgained the Seahawks. The Seahawks had 286 total yards.
48:43Jets and the bears, man, I can keep this one pretty quick.
48:47Bears won this game. Bears had 34 first downs in this game.
48:51Jets had 32 total offensive plays. I mean, when you look at time of possession, when you look at first downs, I
48:58mean, it's just, it is the most lopsided, non-competitive matchup you can find in a long, long time here with this game.
49:05You had Bears defensive players after the game saying like they weren't even sore.
49:09It was the easiest game they'd ever played in their lives.
49:13I saw Devin Bush say he was bored. He wasn't on the field.
49:17Like, they were barely out there. Like, I was messaging Connor after the game because I thought that stat was fake.
49:23I was like, there's no way that's real. And, you know, a gleefully masochistic Jets fan that Connor is.
49:29Immediately was like, yep! That's what happened. That's what I just had to watch today.
49:34Yeah. Yeah. Incredible. A little rapid fire here on the last three games that we have.
49:39The Colts and the Commanders, they played this game in London.
49:43The Colts take the victory. Look, the Commanders were already down to their second quarterback in Mariota.
49:48He goes out of the game. Ethan Kaliak-Manus came in and had some really nice throws once he kind of got warmed
49:55up, but it took him a little while to get warmed up.
49:59And it was just too much of Indianapolis. Indianapolis is one of those teams where they kind of play to the same baseline every single week.
50:07And some teams have a good chance of playing above that baseline.
50:11But if you don't at least hit that baseline, they're going to beat you.
50:15And that feels like the story of the Indianapolis Colts this season.
50:19Daniel Jones was bad in the first half. Can we just acknowledge that?
50:23I don't. Yeah. I don't think the Colts were great at a lot today.
50:28They just happened to play undrafted free agent QB3.
50:31And that's how you get the victory today. Yeah.
50:3412 of 22. This is all in the first half, by the way.
50:3812 of 22, 86 yards, no touchdowns, an interception, a fumble lost, 44.9 passer rating, 3.9 yards per attempt.
50:44They just took the ball out of his hands in the second half.
50:48So Jonathan Taylor, you do your thing. They had more design runs than passes in the second half, which because they had a lead, they could do that.
50:57Exactly. Right. Right. And you have Jonathan Taylor, but Daniel Jones was an anchor on this team.
51:02I and I don't know what happened to the version of Daniel Jones that was so good in the first half of last year before he got injured.
51:11It was really before the broken leg, not even before the Achilles, maybe like first eight weeks of the season.
51:17That's gone. Like it hasn't come back yet this year.
51:20I, and I don't know if we're going to see it again.
51:24The Giants get a win over the Arizona Cardinals.
51:27Brett, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't know how the Giants won this game.
51:33The Giants had 12% less overall success rate than the Arizona Cardinals did.
51:37They had a 28.6% design success rate. I mean, that's incredibly low.
51:40They had almost quadruple the percentage of a missed tackle rate compared to the Arizona Cardinals.
51:46There were so many stats that you look at in this game that you go, yeah, okay.
51:51I think the Cardinals won this game and they didn't.
51:54They lost by 12. Obviously the pick six to the end sort of is, is just a, you know, an icing on the cake with this one.
52:03But this game was just hilarious to me that it was the Giants winning by more than 10 points.
52:09You look at so many of the statistics and you go, yeah, the Giants really struggled in this game, but it's a dub is a dub.
52:17And they're sitting here at three and one. The win probability charts hilarious to look at because it starts out super heavy
52:24Cardinals, then super heavy Giants and super heavy Cardinals and super heavy Giants.
52:28And then it spikes at the end with the Marvin DPI.
52:31And then you get the pick six from banks.
52:34That's like this game was just wacky. This is wacky football.
52:38It was fun. Last thing, Minnesota Vikings and the Miami Dolphins.
52:41Minnesota's offense is so ugly. 72 plays scored 15 total points.
52:450 and 3 in the red zone. Didn't have a single deep passing attempt the entire game.
52:50I don't really know what to think of Minnesota at this point, but hey, they're 4-0.
52:55And on the other side of things, Jacob Rodriguez, 18 tackles.
52:59So shout out to Rookie. Doing great today. Yeah, that was like an average Texas Tech Saturday if anybody watched Jacob Rodriguez.
53:06That's very true. That's very true. He is a tackling machine.
53:09Yeah. And I think he's probably the early front runner for defensive rookie of the year.
53:14He could very easily lead the lead the league in stops, tackles, like just everything.
53:19He's he's a unit and a great guy to, by the way, talk to him with the combat.
53:25He's just he's a bundle of joy and a very, very good linebacker.
53:29But on the Viking side of things. I can't believe they're 4-0.
53:33I cannot believe this particular brand of football is 4-0.
53:36I get we want to be like a hard nose defense running team, but you got to get something from the quarterback position.
53:43Right. Something and they're not and they're still 4-0.
53:46Like to me, Brian Flores should just wrap up assistant coach of the year already.
53:51They wouldn't be 4-0 without him. But I. How do Vikings fans do this every week?
53:56It's awful. It's miserable to watch. It's entertaining when the defense is on the field.
54:01They're 4-0, Brett. What do you mean? It's just like watching.
54:04Our teams are a combined 0-8. But at least they're entertaining.
54:08This is bad TV. I'll allow you to be a bad football team.
54:12You can't be bad TV and a bad football team.
54:15That's very true. You'd much rather be entertaining. Like I learned from a very young age, you can be mean or you can be ugly.
54:23You can't be both. And that's the Minnesota Vikings this season.
54:26It's just awful. A beautiful way to wrap up the show.
54:30There we go, folks. Week 4 in the books.
54:33Ton to discuss. Ton to go over. And there's a lot of film, a lot of data for us to comb through
54:40over the next couple of days before the episode on Friday where we take all this information, pack it up, give you
54:47a little bit of review stuff, but really take that into what you are going to see in Week 5, of course.
54:54If you follow an NFL Pro, you know that's coming up on Friday.
54:58We'll see you guys then. Thank you for listening to our Week 4 Reaction Podcast.
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55:38It can help turn them into an analysis, tracker, deck outline, prototype, or workflow you can review and keep shaping.
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55:56Today, we tip our wrench to Rock Auto customer Dylan.
55:59I actually used to manage a parts department for a car dealership, and we would get stuff from Rock Auto if I
56:06couldn't get it from my dealership suppliers. You pick the year, you go through all the drop-down menus, and it just makes
56:13it really easy to navigate and see what you want.
56:16Like a wheel bearing, for instance, or a Corvair that I have.
56:20Rock Auto's catalog made it really easy to find that specific one that I was looking for.
56:25Rock Auto. Sometimes the road of life goes a little off-road, and the 2026 Nissan Rogue is ready for anything the day brings.
56:33With all-wheel drive and five different drive modes, it's designed for adventure with room for the whole family.
56:38And since the 2026 Rogue has Google built in and a 12.3 inch display, you can just pick a destination, punch up a soundtrack, and take off.
56:47Adventure is waiting for you and the 2026 Nissan Rogue.