0:00When I show you guys lineup, you know, when we talk about the history of the long, luxury-ish, the time for choice
0:07are so bad that you really struggle to figure what was going on there.
0:12We will get to that. So actually, kind of day because there was sort of only one premium player kind of of the whole slate.
0:20You know, if you if you look at Flex projections, I can't remember how many slates we've had Flex projections where the
0:28only players projected above 20 points were B. John Robinson, Puka Nakua, Kenneth Walker, Jonathan Taylor, Drake London.
0:34They were all 8K players except for Drake London.
0:37I think you can certainly argue, I probably would argue Drake London was a little bit over projected.
0:43So that kind of meant that the slate then came down to the cheapies and there were again weirdly actually saying a
0:50lot of cheap guys who projected all right, you know, it was not it was not a slate where it was like,
0:57oh, well, you got to play this guy, which I which was reflected in the ownerships, you know, instead of there were
1:05there were a lot of dupe teams, but there were also a bunch of guys who were 40% owned instead of 60%
1:12on this is actually something we've been talking about a lot on the show.
1:17I dude, by the way, you were you were you were not on the show last week.
1:22Um, Jameer Gibbs only only 66% owned in double ups last week was that oh my god, was that one of the most insane things of all time?
1:32Yeah, you know, it sucks because I smashed last week and I wasn't on the show.
1:37But I heard you guys got to dunk on Levitan a bunch.
1:41So that's pretty great. Yes. Yeah, it was pretty great.
1:45And we all duped each other last week. Nate and I duped each other this week, which is really I haven't even looked.
1:52Yeah, we played we played the exact same team.
1:55So this week at quarterback, there actually were multiple guys who you could play.
2:00I thought the best play was Matthew Stafford jokes on me the Rams by the way, 33 and a half point team
2:07total lose to the freaking Arizona Cardinals in the dome completely insane.
2:11I'm so glad that they lost dude because they played like such hot asshole.
2:16And then they like scored a touchdown at the end.
2:19It's like, oh, they're they're gonna get away with it.
2:23And they didn't get away with it. You know, to go we present had a little magic there at the end and
2:30they you know, had a penalty and it's just like they deserve to lose.
2:35I'm glad they lost. I am also glad they lost.
2:38I'm also glad they lost Sean McVay had a complete shocker, just like going for it on fourth and one but handing
2:45it off to Davis Allen as a fullback was one of the most absurd decisions I've ever seen.
2:51Never see it coming. Yeah, completely, completely insane. So I thought you definitely could have played.
2:57I mean, in my mind, these were the quarterback plays Matthew Stafford, Caleb Williams.
3:01And then I also thought that if you wanted to try and jam multiple high price guys, I, I did not personally end up setting this lineup.
3:10I thought you could have done Tanner McKee. He's got, you know, two career starts for 255 career passing yards per game in the two starts.
3:19He's got Devonta Smith. Goddard was was a big was a big play.
3:23Sammy, you didn't play any of those guys at the quarterback position.
3:27You you you you didn't play you didn't play Matthew Stafford.
3:31You didn't play Caleb Williams. And you also did not play Tanner McKee.
3:35Do you want to do you want to tell the people what you did indeed do a quarterback?
3:41Well, to be fair to myself before I give the big reveal because this is egregious.
3:47I tried to get to Tanner McKee. I tried last minute swapping.
3:51Go to McKee and then get up at tight end to Isaiah likely, which would have been great.
3:57And it didn't work because it was right at 10 a.m.
4:00And my four year old was hanging on me and like, you know, no excuses play like a champion is Levitan would say.
4:08But I tried to go to Tanner McKee. I played Deshaun, the the sexual abuser.
4:13So, so good guy played guy played. Guy played Deshaun Watson at quarterback.
4:17Didn't play Jameis Winston marker marker Tassel guessing Jameis Winston didn't play.
4:21I mean, I thought maybe you could have tried to get real fancy and play Josh Allen, Kirk Cousins.
4:28I just I don't I don't know. I don't know how it got there.
4:32It truly is one of the most phenomenal things.
4:35So I toyed with a lineup that was instead of Matthew Stafford that had Caleb Williams to try and use the extra
4:43money to get from Braylon Allen to Chuba Hubbard.
4:46I thought that Chuba Hubbard was like more or less the best running back play of the slate.
4:52Like I kind of wanted to play backwards in cash from Chuba Hubbard and spoiler alert did not end up doing it.
4:59You guys will see my lineup here in in a second Chuba.
5:03I mean, it took a long time from that game, but it kind of played out how I thought it was going
5:11to play out, which is the Eagles absolutely suck.
5:14They're not going to be able to do anything.
5:17And even if the Eagles defense is good, Hubbard is going to get the ball a bazillion, a bazillion times.
5:23He did indeed get the ball a bazillion times, but I couldn't really really what I couldn't stomach Sammy was not playing Matt Stafford.
5:31I was like, dude, they have a 33 point.
5:34How could they fail? How he's got Puka back, dude.
5:38How could he fail? How could he fail? I wanted to play Stafford too.
5:42I had him and I'll be honest with you.
5:45You got in my head this morning. You got in my head with this.
5:50You must play Chuba Hubbard. He's the best playlist slate because I had Braylon Allen and Stafford.
5:56And I'm like, shit, dude, I'm going to do it.
5:59He's right. Chuba is so good. And he was very good.
6:03He was very good. I was right. Ultimately, I was correct.
6:06The thing that I was not correct about, and I guess, I mean, we're five weeks into the season now and the
6:14Rams have played in all these games. Like, it's got to start leaking into fantasy projections and leaking into the way lines
6:21makers are setting these lines that the Rams are just not that good.
6:25The Rams suck, dude. The Rams are just straight up not that good.
6:30Oh, God. I mean, I'll just say this. And when we get to the tournament lineups, like, it'll be pretty clear.
6:37But I was just like, this is a can't fail spot for the Rams.
6:41A can't fail. They are playing in a great environment against a really crappy defense.
6:46They have been inconsistent this year and they are going to put it down.
6:51This is where they say, okay, it all stops here.
6:54We are going to get after it. I played Kyron in cash.
6:58I played Kyron everywhere. I was like, Kyron's going to...
7:02Kyron is the guy that I wasn't moving off of.
7:05See, and Kyron is... He's kind of the funny one of like, we have experienced this thing with Kyron for so long.
7:12And we, the last two weeks, have made him something that he isn't because the target volume has been so good.
7:19Like, I didn't play Kyron in any tournaments because I know exactly what Kyron is.
7:24Kyron is so, so unlikely to put up like a 37 ball.
7:28You know, I basically, to me, Chuba and Kyron should sort of be projected because Chuba gets the ball so much.
7:35Really, really close. Yeah. I mean, Kyron shares the work, but obviously they trust him the most in passing situations.
7:42First year. Because he's got pretty good hands and he's a really good pass protector.
7:47So he's going to mog Corum in all those spots.
7:50And then, of course, Corum catches the touchdown reception right off the bat.
7:55And it's just like, uh-oh, I may have made a mistake.
7:58Dude, Corum having, Corum having a, Nate, Corum having a receiving touchdown.
8:02How many in your 10,000 Sims of this slate, in your Sim of this slate, how many of them does Blake Corum have a 19-yard touchdown reception?
8:11Because I checked my Sims and it was in zero of 10,000 for Blake Corum to score a receiving touchdown.
8:18Yeah, not the ones I use to build my cash games and tournament lineups.
8:23Wilson, that's for sure. I mean, that Corum thing, that whole game.
8:27I don't think I've ever been more tilted watching a game in my entire life.
8:32By the way, Matthew Stafford is terrible at football.
8:35For the record. Matthew Stafford is done. I mean, this is a spot where literally Jacoby Brissett is on the other side.
8:42And I'm like, this is it. This is everything that would happen in the game.
8:47I'm like, we're just setting up for a massive puka smash.
8:51This is it. This is going to be the drive.
8:54This is going to be the drive. And somewhere along the way, I was like, this is the definition of insanity right here.
9:02Like what I'm doing to myself for these last three hours.
9:06I mean, that was painful. It was extremely painful.
9:09So ultimately, Nate, you and I both played Matt Stafford at quarterback.
9:13Nate, did you consider Tanner McKee? Did you consider Caleb Williams?
9:16Did you consider Kirk Cousins? Did you like I frankly, I actually and you'll see this when we get to my tournament lineups.
9:24Like I liked Caleb straight up more than Stafford.
9:27To me, it was kind of like a blocking play, I suppose.
9:31In a sense, like Caleb is so Caleb is so fucking good, man.
9:35He's so good. It's great. And his stats are being artificially deflated by Ben Johnson's proclivity to call run plays.
9:42Like to just get DeAndre Swift two yard touchdowns or whatever.
9:46It's not just Ben Johnson proclivity. They're literally the best running offense in the game.
9:51Every time they run the ball, it's one of the most effective play.
9:55So it tilts me, but it's also real. And you have to factor that in.
10:00And in this game with Atlanta's like also run heavy, like I don't think Caleb was in play and catch over McKee or Stafford or.
10:08He definitely. Okay. He definitely was in play. You're that's crazy.
10:12He was in play. No, I don't think he was.
10:15You don't know. He's going to run. You don't know how healthy the hamstring is.
10:20He himself said he was not a hundred percent.
10:23You already have overall like play volume concerns. And Ben Johnson has shown how much he's willing to run the ball.
10:30Like I don't think in cash games, that's where you take Caleb.
10:34Like there was other plays that we. Yeah. I don't think Caleb was a good cash game play.
10:40I just don't. All right. Well, let's let's let's talk about the lineup that you and I did play.
10:47So Nate and I duped each other. We played Matthew Stafford, Kyron Williams, Braylon Allen, Pukunakua, Drake London, Jeremy Bernard, Isaiah Likely,
10:54Xavier Worthy in the Carolina Panthers defense. You want to know the play that I feel the worst about in here?
11:01It's definitely not the play. Nate's going to be like, no, dude, he's going to play with my brother.
11:07There's on there. Drake London for five hundred dollars more than Malik neighbors, bro.
11:12I think sometime you just got to take yourself out back or you got to look yourself in the mirror and you
11:19got to say, are you a man or are you a boy?
11:23And if you're a boy, you're going to look at the projections.
11:27You're going to look at the projections. I think a real man would have said, you know what?
11:34Malik neighbors was a first round draft pick in fantasy football.
11:37He is historically great for any any time he's ever played.
11:41His numbers are preposterous. He has Jameis Winston as quarterback, which is actually so goddamn funny that J.J.
11:47McCarthy came in and threw for like 250 yards in a quarter.
11:51Like so funny that J.J. McCarthy came in. And it's not even necessarily about neighbors.
11:56It's just like. Drake London, man, it's like enough already for me personally with Drake London.
12:01I just I what I guess ultimately what I feel bad about is I should not have made Drake London such a
12:09sticking point that I played Braylon in a spot where this was his floor.
12:13I'm not and I'm not saying Braylon is some terrible play.
12:17I think it was fine. It's just Hubbard was so, so much better of a play.
12:22So much better. Well, and we're talking and hold on.
12:26We're talking a lot about how the Bears just like run so well.
12:30And it was a great spot for them. Did we underestimate DeAndre Swift?
12:34Because of that. Now, he ended up sharing a lot of work with Roshan.
12:39He was so hard to get to because he was he was 400 more expensive.
12:44So that like I guess maybe if you would have done a Tanner McKee lineup, you could have done it.
12:51But like if you look at the basis of and Nate Nye's lineup is like stone, stone chalk.
12:57Like this was the this was the big train.
13:00If you start thinking, OK, how do you get a thousand extra dollars?
13:04You're going down from London to like probably if you are a projection guy, it was probably Drake London.
13:10Or sorry, Josh Downs would have projected. It was Keenan Allen.
13:14It was Keenan Allen. It was Keenan. Keenan was if you were not going to play London, you'd play.
13:20But then but then where are you? What are you even doing with that money?
13:25Are you I guess are you getting to Josh at quarterback?
13:29Because Keenan was what? Fifty two hundred. Yeah, the other player getting up there running back one is what you're doing.
13:36Well, except Kyron. Like I'm not actually like I'm tilted that Kyron had a terrible, terrible game.
13:42Um, but like he was anyone good in cash games played played Kyron Williams.
13:46He was he was in the big fifty dollar double up, which is now the biggest double up that like only serious players play on draft games.
13:55He was sixty three percent. Nate, when the cards turned over and Jeremy was fifty four percent, I was like there is actually still an edge.
14:04People people are actually still bad. Like it's just as we were taught, we were we were talking about, um, did you
14:11mere give stuff last week with him being sixty six percent?
14:15I'm like, dude, Jeremy is like the definition of if you did not play him, you have no fucking mojo, dude.
14:22You are. I'll say it right here, dude. Sammy, you got it.
14:26You got to take a look in the mirror.
14:29And this is your team. Sammy, you have your team.
14:32You have two spots that you need to seriously consider.
14:36Like what? What? What am I thinking? Isaiah likely is good.
14:39Isaiah likely legitimately was like one of the easiest plays of the year at tight end.
14:45I think Jeremy Bernard obviously is right up there.
14:48But tight end specifically. I mean, literally, Isaiah likely.
14:51I mean, he had only had nine yards. I mean, he was a yard away from the bonus.
14:57He was like he had multiple plays that should have been could have been worse.
15:02Like if you're lucky he didn't put up a 30 burger on you.
15:06He was a 70% on tight end in cash.
15:09What were you thinking? I tried. I tried to go McKee and likely instead of Goddard.
15:15Instead of Goddard and fucking Deshaun Watson. And, you know, just life happens.
15:19Well, he did the same thing I did. So I'll actually come clean.
15:23I mean, this was the right fucking choice was I had a swap right at lock right at noon that I tried
15:31to save that did not save, which was Chuba and Goddard over Braylon and Worthy, which would have been the higher points
15:38because Chuba beat Braylon by a lot and Worthy and Goddard.
15:42I think Worthy and Goddard literally both got 14.
15:45Yeah. Literally, Nate, I pressed the button at 959 PST and looked and it said cannot be saved.
15:51And I look at the clock and it's 10.
15:54Like that's how close it was to the swap.
15:57Well, Davis, I try to play likely. I try to do it.
16:01That's fair. Davis, if you would have swapped literally Braylon Allen and Xavier Worthy to like legitimately talented people who now have workload opportunities.
16:09Oh, yeah. Xavier Worthy, legitimately talented. Sure would be fucking nice if it would have showed it at some point in my
16:16life at any of the most recent three years.
16:19Would have been would have been OK. He doesn't have scam rice out there stealing all these targets.
16:25And Xavier Worthy was going to be fed the ball.
16:28He's one of the fastest wide receivers that yeah, but this is actually a bad take because Xavier Worthy sucks.
16:35Yeah, he is not. He is. I will say I will say this.
16:39He was playing Dallas Goddard over Xavier Worthy is giving up like 15 points of ceiling for like $300.
16:46That's crazy. That's crazy. Dallas Goddard with 20 games.
16:49Dallas Goddard for sure bet my last dollar is is better than Xavier Worthy in any ceiling efficiency targets for any metric you want to run.
16:57Xavier Worthy with Patrick Mahomes as his quarterback with no Rishi Rice and legitimately average is seven point five fantasy points per
17:05game versus Dallas Goddard with Tanner McKee. You guys are like you guys.
17:09I didn't do that, Nate. I didn't do that.
17:12OK, I didn't do that. I played Xavier Worth and Dallas Goddard and Dallas Goddard.
17:17Well, you know what? To be to be fair, to be fair.
17:21Another thing that a lot of people did. Let me see if I can find it in the big $50 double up.
17:28Another thing people did was instead of playing either of those guys, one of these lineups in here, one of these train lineups has Casey Concepcion in it.
17:38And, you know, I got no no beef. I think I think Casey Concepcion is a is a fine player or whatever.
17:45But there was just really no scenario where I was playing Casey Concepcion over Worthy.
17:50Worthy like I thought Worthy was. Really, I mean, obviously, I thought he was very strong.
17:55I thought he was like lock adjacent. I actually even played Worthy in tournaments that like really elevated ownership.
18:02I can't find Concepcion. One of these one of these lineups had Concepcion.
18:06You know, another guy that I did actually consider in cash games was Burden in the in the London spot.
18:13I considered I considered Burden and which, again, people like the the Concepcion team is it was.
18:19It was Chuba, Goddard, London, likely Concepcion, Kyron, Stafford, Panthers and Puka.
18:23So it was basically. I don't like that. Yeah, I mean, I think Concepcion versus Worthy is just giving up way too much.
18:30Concepcion versus Worthy, I think, is quite bad. Yeah, it's just like even if Concepcion is better than Worthy, which like whatever,
18:38I'm actually happy to grant that the the offensive environments could not be any different.
18:43And the Chargers are so bad, dude. So bad.
18:46Well, it's the decision that I had to make was Concepcion versus Jeremy Bernard.
18:50I chose unwisely. Yeah. Yeah. I put this. I mean, we can go.
18:55We're going to we need to we need to get in.
18:58Sammy, we got to get in the lab with you, dude.
19:02I'm looking at a Deshaun Watson, Casey Concepcion sack.
19:05And I'm just saying we got to get you back to square one, man.
19:10We got to. I mean, I'm not. I can't even argue with it.
19:14This is this is the worst. I haven't played good at all this year.
19:19Like, and you haven't, you haven't. And I I'm prepared to say.
19:23Outside of a lineup that I would have swapped to.
19:26This has got to be the worst lineup that's ever been played compared to like what was optimal.
19:32It's got it's got to be. I mean, there's there's there's been some times I think there was a slate that Nate
19:39paid like forty two hundred dollars for defense. And they scored one point that I think might be might be close, but it's pretty.
19:47It's pretty. It's pretty not ideal. God, I love that.
19:51We need to hire somebody or get Claude or chat.
19:54GBT to like get old clips like ETR does.
19:57And just I mean, the mashup that we could put together is.
20:01You know what? I actually could. I actually could.
20:04I actually could do that. You can start your own YouTube channel.
20:08People would watch this and just like fucking love it, man.
20:12Yeah, I mean, so obviously the train lineup easily cashes.
20:15It was kind of frustrating in the sense that Braylon.
20:18I mean, Braylon looked phenomenal, but the Jets suck.
20:21And I mean, you know, that's the deal. You knew they were going to lose.
20:26The Drake London thing is just like I am just so not a Drake London guy.
20:32I just I don't have very much of him in seasonal.
20:35I don't think he's really that good. I mean, obviously, he's very good, but he just is so slow.
20:42So I could really I think it's something people don't talk about enough, but it's really hard to be.
20:48An elite, elite, elite fantasy option when you're slow, like Devontae Adams can do it because he scores a billion touchdowns.
20:55But like I actually think Bucky Irving is a pretty good example of this.
21:00Like if Bucky was a four, four guy instead of like a four, six and a half or seven guy, Bucky would
21:07be like the best running back in the NFL.
21:10He would be Gibbs Bijon like level of skill.
21:13He really would. Sammy, you also played. I mean, I I mean, I I didn't really think Bijon was that good of
21:21a play because not not because of anything really about him, but the the Falcons play slow and the Bears also are
21:28happy to like suffocate the air out of games and that can go south quickly for.
21:33It's why we said Caleb wasn't a it's why we said Caleb wasn't a cash quarterback to then on the flip side, take Bijon.
21:41Yeah. Okay, let's let's let's do this. Let's rank the mistakes that I made and not not playing not playing like likely likely likely likely.
21:50Okay. Okay. Hang on. Hang on. I actually don't want to take the L on that one simply because I really did try to go McKee.
21:58You know what? That's fair. That's likely. I really did.
22:02Dude, people don't want to hear this or maybe they do because they can relate.
22:07But my fucking four year old is like hanging on my shoulders as I'm like because my wife's gone.
22:13She's running like one of these like Spartan races.
22:16And so I have the kids. I got two little kids do ones hanging on my shoulders and I'm trying to be
22:23a good dad, but also I'm trying to like make this swap and I do it and it just didn't click in time.
22:31I knew likely was the play and I and I and I knew that that was like the way to go.
22:38So I try to do it. Let's talk about the ones that like I just, you know, wasn't directionally correct on.
22:45Number one mistake. Uh, and I want you guys to rank these is playing Concepcion over Bernard straight up.
22:51The second one. It's like inexcusable. It. Yeah, not, not great.
22:55The second one is you are a Steelers. You are a Steelers fan, dude.
23:00It actually, it actually costs me because I hate the Steelers so much and I hate Aaron Rogers so much.
23:06I'm pissed off at the organization because they haven't done a full rebuild and they're just like playing boomer ball.
23:13Like, oh, we have this opportunity. We get rid of Mike Tomlin.
23:17Okay. Let's do what the Ravens did and like bring in new blood and like change everything up.
23:23No, we're going to hire Mike McCarthy and bring Aaron Rogers back and play fucking boomer ball and finish seven and eight or eight and seven.
23:32And just like mid it up for again for the next five years.
23:36Like it's so stupid. I'm pissed off at the team.
23:39The Jeremy Bernard thing. I don't think I'm going to hit on you that much because I do think the Jeremy Bernard
23:47thing, like there was a lot of efficiency that went his way.
23:51The amount of like, I mean, he had like 21 air yards and he put up like 28 drafting points.
23:57I mean, it's like, that is, yeah, but that feeds right into what I was going to say that that's, that's exactly
24:05what I knew I was signing up for. Yeah.
24:08That's what Aaron Rogers wants. He just wants to like spam these like little two, three yard hitches and screens and flat routes.
24:15He just wants to audible to stick nod and, and, and slant flat all day.
24:20Like he's, he's such a boomer. So he ended up with 11 targets or something like that.
24:26Like that, that's what we signed up for. Yeah.
24:29It was 11 targets. It was only a 22% targets per route run.
24:33His whopper was like below 0.5. Like, I mean, it was essentially conceptual and usage because of like where he gets targeted and stuff like that.
24:42So I don't think it was that bad. Okay.
24:45Here's, here's the other one. Here's the other one is I played B.
24:50John Robinson. I thought that, you know, I know it wasn't the chalky build, but I said, you know what?
24:56I think some of these high price running backs, particularly B.
25:00John and Kenneth Walker can really destroy the slate in a spot where other people are playing a jamook in the flex,
25:07you know, in Xavier worthy or Dallas Goddard or something like that.
25:11And these guys can outscore that position by like 25 points easy.
25:15And so I kind of liked Ken Walker a little bit better, but the projections I was looking at had B.
25:22John two and a half points higher. And I said, you know what?
25:27I'm not going to go against that. I'm going to stick.
25:30If I play Ken Walker instead of B. John mega smash.
25:34So those were two of the like one V ones that I thought really cost me.
25:39Um, and then, and then the B. John thing is crazy.
25:43The B. John usage legitimately is, is like potentially record setting for like finishing a game healthy.
25:49And at that salary, having that little expected draft Kings production from a running back is like, I mean, I don't think I've ever seen it this bad.
25:58And he never does this. Like he had seven expected draft Kings points and he was healthy the whole game.
26:05He never disappears. I mean, if they're up, he's running.
26:08If they're down, he's catching the ball. I mean, it's just like he, he is their offensive weapon.
26:14And so, you know, obviously it was run bad here, but it's actually wild too, because they even got the flurry of
26:21a bunch of points in the fourth quarter and B.
26:25John and London both did nothing in a game.
26:28At least London got a two pointer, but yeah, they almost forced overtime, you know, and, and John Dotson and Kyle pits are out here.
26:36Um, balling. Yeah. Kyle pits season. So those are, those, those were the two mistakes where I was just like, ah, you
26:43know, again, I'll take the L on the likely one.
26:47Um, but I tried, I really did. Um, yeah.
26:50Yeah. When my kids are going to junior college, cause I can't afford a UC school.
26:55I'll tell them it's cause you wouldn't leave daddy alone at lineup block.
26:59Yeah. Your fault. Your fault. You know, take accountability.
27:02Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I mean, I don't think there's really that much else interesting about cash.
27:08Like you kind of had to play Kyron. This is probably the last time Kyron ever gets played in cash.
27:14Like ever, like ever again, truly like it. Cause now, now that we're building in like Blake Corum, um, playing on some
27:22of like the two minute drill and stuff, like his receiving projections going to degrade.
27:27And, and Terrence Ferguson will be back next week.
27:30So he's receiving projections going to degrade even more.
27:33So shout out to him. Um, all right, let's go to tournament.
27:37Do you want to talk about DeAndre Swift stuff at all?
27:40Like, do you think DeAndre Swift is now in that like Kyron range?
27:45Cause I mean, it is now like, I mean, every time he's healthy, his expected production is as high as anybody's.
27:52Um, I do think he's fine. The issue that I found with Swift is he doesn't, he is not projected well enough
27:59to be in cash outside of last week. He did actually.
28:03And I never want to play him in tournaments because I prefer like this week.
28:08I was like, well, Loveland's going to be 8% owned.
28:11I'm, I'm not even actually Nate. I did a Nate.
28:15I did a Nate team somewhere in here. There you go.
28:18I played, uh, in the, this was actually, uh, going into the, going into the late games, uh, or going into the fourth quarter of the Rams game.
28:28This team was in fifth place of the $12 Caleb Williams, Ken Walker, Chuba Hubbard, Josh Downs, Luther Burden, Jeremy, Loveland, Swift, and the Browns D.
28:36It was the, it was the full, uh, it was the full Nate onslaught.
28:41But I, yeah, I had a, I, I have a team I want to talk about because, um, well, first off I,
28:48it should have been a huge shipper. Um, and it wasn't, and it actually seemed quite bad.
28:54Um, post lock, but field, field, uh, aware ROI.
28:57So when it knows the, the actual ownerships and the, the combo ownerships, uh, independent field ROI minus 24%.
29:03This was positive ROI pre slate field aware ROI, 17%.
29:07Um, sim ROI overall, like expect to lose $10 on average.
29:10It was a huge smash, uh, in the big spy, Caleb Williams, Bijan Robinson, Chuba Hubbard, Puka Nakua, Luther Burden, the third,
29:18Jeremy Loveland, Xavier Worthy, and the Titans defense. So on this team, if I just straight up play Walker over Bijan, which
29:25clearly, I mean, I, I would have just happily have done.
29:29Um, the only reason I play Bijan on this team is because, uh, the, the correlation, like if the, the bears are
29:36going to get pushed, if Caleb is going to have a really good game, it's the other team.
29:42Eventually the bears are going to get pushed in a game.
29:46And Caleb is going to have like 500 passing yards and five touchdowns in a game.
29:51I don't know. I don't know when it's happening.
29:54Um, but all of those points that Roshan Johnson is just like the fourth quarter Roshan Johnson points.
30:00I'm like, well, you give me 25% of that to my guys.
30:04Can I have, can I have 25% of Roshan Johnson's bullshit?
30:08Uh, but if I play Walker over Bijan on this team, I finished like fifth in the spy, uh, straight up winner
30:15of the spy, by the way, Kurt Cousins team with Trey Tucker in the flex.
30:20No likely, which I think is interesting. Uh, bad, bad.
30:23The only thing I feel bad about, I mean, I played really good today.
30:28All my teams cat, like it was a really, really good day for me, but something I did not do was I did not play any Malik neighbors.
30:37Um, cause I was too focused on the likely stuff, but I, I was always going to have a good day.
30:44Cause Walker smashed Loveland had a good game. Burden had a good game.
30:49Jeremy had a good game where they had a good game.
30:52So it was, it was just, uh, it was just one of those, but I, I did also think it was, it
31:00was kind of interesting that, um, my team did not sim that well post lock.
31:05Cause it, it seemed okay. Pre lock. Um, I guess combo ownership probably of Jeremy and worthy was insane.
31:11And also probably combo ownership of Bijan and Puka was much higher than you would have thought because the textures of those
31:19lineups are going to require the same sort of salary saving players.
31:23Right. So a lot of Bijan and Puka lineups are also going to have like, well, frankly, probably Titans D I wonder
31:30if you, I wonder if I filtered by Titans defense, how many of them also have Puka and Bijan?
31:36Like probably all of them, right? Like that Titans D is so good, bro.
31:41Oh my God. Like 21 from a 3% basically min price defense.
31:45And I think what you had to do to get Puka and Bijan was Bernard Burden were like, you have all of
31:52the, on the flip side, your chalk, your chalk, uh, value plays are all high too.
31:58Correct. Yes. Yeah. Literally, literally all of them are all like, which is like, not to say like, you can't do that.
32:05Like it's fine to play multiple high owned guys, but like also, you know, another one that's kind of funny is I
32:12bet the, um, I bet the combinatorial ownership of Burden and Loveland was also quite high because the type of person who
32:20is still willing to play Colson Loveland. And then a $100 fantasy football tournament in week six is also for sure.
32:27Playing Burden is also the type of person who's like, yeah, dude, why wouldn't I play Burden?
32:32Burden's good. You know, but it's, it's just, it's one of those things that is really funny.
32:38Um, all right, let's see, uh, Nate and in the spy, Nate in the spy, uh, you played, uh, oh, this is
32:45going to be a classic Nate team. Caleb Williams, Ramondre, Braylon Allen, Pukenakua, Drake, London Burden likely.
32:51I knew I, I fricking knew it was going to be Loveland in the flex.
32:56I knew it. Uh, and then the Panthers defense, uh, field aware ROI quite low, uh, SIM ROI.
33:02So pre-lock ROI was 5% positive. Talk to me, talk to me about this Ramondre play, Nathaniel.
33:08Well, I had a lot of Ramondre, um, after the Travion news.
33:12I, I thought that everyone was going to get off Ramondre, uh, where I think you were, I think you were right about, right?
33:20He was not owned. Well, he actually still almost came in and double digits in a lot of places.
33:26Um, so he didn't get the ownership dip that I was hoping for.
33:30And he also did get the workload dip that I wasn't hoping for.
33:35So like, I thought the Travion thing was like, no chance he's going to get workload.
33:40And he did like a lot. So, uh, it was not one of those, like, we're just making him active to, to play him a couple snaps.
33:49It was like, I mean, Travion had more workload this week than any week yet this year.
33:55And so, yeah, that was tilting. So I felt bad about the Ramondre thing.
33:59Um, and then I felt bad about the Drake London ownership thing.
34:03And overall, I did not play well in tournaments today at all.
34:07And so. You know, you know what is, you know, it's funny about that, Nate.
34:12Cause I knew like, I had a bunch of good teams today and I was thinking in the back of my head,
34:20I was like, I bet Nate has a bunch of dog shit out there.
34:24I don't think, I don't think there's ever, I don't think there's ever been a week where we've overlapped on similarly good teams.
34:32Like your like weeks where you're like, Oh, I had this sweat and this sweat and this sweat.
34:38I'm like, I finished dead last in the spy, dude.
34:42I finished 4,444th in the spy, you know, in a, in a really good, in a really good, uh, Nate week.
34:49Um, Sammy, what, what tournament do you want me to look at?
34:53You're making a joke, but I think I might've finished last in the spy.
34:57I'm not quite sure. All right. Mr. Whirling. Dervish in the spy.
35:01Oh my God. Oh my God. All right. Matt Stafford, Kyron Williams, Braylon Allen, Drake London, Devante Adams, Luther Byrd and Tyler
35:09Higby, Travis Kelsey in the flex with the Ravens defense.
35:12Actually post lock. No, that's a good team. The Sims love your team.
35:16The Sims love your, the Sims. Fuck the Sims.
35:19This team is hot ass. Have your team is better than both of ours.
35:24No, dude, Sammy, this is a good team. Honestly, the Stafford thing, like.
35:28Like. Obviously, like it's easy to tilt Stafford. Like I'm, I'm as tilted as anybody, but like Vegas.
35:34This. I mean, you, if you genuinely think Stafford is dust, you should be betting everything you have against, against these Rams
35:42because the lines are not moving against them. Either the rest of the season win game.
35:47I mean, everybody still projects the Rams as the Rams.
35:50And so, I mean, look, we can say Stafford's dust and obviously he's not playing to his standards as well as he
35:58did last year, but his last like three games, he's thrown for 383, 317, 390 and 327.
36:03Like, yeah, he's not playing that well. You're watching the games.
36:07You're like, yeah, he's not doing, but like, dude, he's still putting up numbers.
36:12You know what I mean? Um, I don't know the, the Rams, the Rams are still favored by six points in Vegas next week.
36:20Might be time to put some, uh, some, some down.
36:23I actually think there are a couple interesting things going on in this lineup.
36:28The first is Braylon instead of Chuba. I don't approve whatever.
36:31That's fine. Well, it's also a $600 difference, man.
36:34Like I want to get Nate's. Well, the Browns were expensive or the Ravens defense where they were 3,200.
36:41Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, but what it, what it did, what it did is we're going to drop down.
36:47This is honestly the best team I've seen from Sammy yet.
36:51I've seen, seriously, Sammy, this is honestly the best thing I've seen you put out this year.
36:56You know, you, the only reason you're saying that is because I have a tight end in the flex and I have
37:04like four Rams in the fucking lineup. So you're like, oh, this is, you know, this is amazing.
37:10Um, but one of the, one of the big inflection points, I really wanted Travis Kelsey and all the teams.
37:16I thought Kelsey with Rishi Rice out was like, and, and worthy and worthy chalk and worthy chalk.
37:22And I said, you know what? Like it's, it's so, it's so likely that they just say, yeah, fuck worthy.
37:29Cause he sucks. And they're just going to feed Travis Kelsey a whole lot.
37:34It didn't end up working out like that, but I'll stand by that thought process.
37:39I obviously wanted, uh, you know, a full Rams onslaught here.
37:42I did not bring it back with anything. Um, and then I had the Drake London and Luther burden, mini correlation, a
37:50little zone, uh, in the dome, uh, correlation. I'm kind of surprised you're a burden guy.
37:55I would like, when I think of, when I think of you, I would think you, I would think you'd be more of a, a Rome guy.
38:04Sammy's a Rome guy. Sammy's a Rome guy. I'm not a Rome guy.
38:09I'm, I'm, I'm a guy of the guy who the coach says, oh yeah.
38:13Like compares him to Amon Ross St. Brown. No, Sammy, you're a, you're a stacking Rome and Cole commit guy.
38:20That's you fading this Loveland thing saying, ah, like, yeah, I'm all right.
38:24I'm not going to stand for this slander from you guys.
38:28All right. I got, I got Merck today. It is what it is, but where I'm going to draw the line is
38:35you saying, I like Roma dunes, a this shit ass prospect who's got who like can't fucking run.
38:41I mean, he's dust. It's just like, if you were on a bad team, he'd be Marvin Harrison Jr.
38:48Or, you know, fucking, fucking Brian Thomas Jr. Like Roma dunes is a clown and Luther burden is twitchy and fast and real good.
38:56So I do think, I think there's another thing about this lineup that is something I've actually tried to stop doing in,
39:03in, when I build lineups, which is when the top wide receiver on a team is stone, stone chalk playing the second wide receiver for less money.
39:12So like the Jameson Williams, when St. Brown is, is mega chalk or, um, you know, Jordan Addison is levered.
39:19Not that, not that Devonta Adams is the same, but I just like, I haven't done one of these like worthy when
39:26rice is chalk or whatever, you know, like I, like I have not done that in, in a long time.
39:33Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I get it. But today I, today I think it's different.
39:38I, I like, I actually think the play, the Adams plays different because not only is he still scoring fantasy points and
39:45getting like decent whopper, but he also does so in a way that mega fucks Puka ceiling because he takes the touchdowns away.
39:53Like Puka can do his little PPR scamming, but the, the Devonta Adams three yard touchdowns are so bad for Puka ceiling.
40:00Yeah. And you know, I just wanted access to the Rams in a way that was not going to be chalky.
40:07Like this isn't a super unchalky lineup. So if I was going to do that, I wanted to get a Rams onslaught
40:15in a way that like, wasn't going to be highly owned.
40:18And I thought most people, if they played Stafford, they were going to play Puka and Kua with them.
40:25So, you know, I thought I got access to a lot of Rams in a, uh, you know, in a, in a non-chalky way, mission accomplished.
40:33Uh, unfortunately the Rams eat anus. And so it didn't matter who I played from them.
40:39Cause all right. So I, I lied. I lied.
40:42I did have a really good day, but I will show, uh, a dog shit lineup.
40:47Um, I got to change the, the user here.
40:50So let me, let me, I'll show, I'll show some real, real dog shit.
40:55I played in the red zone. Yeah, maybe. So in the red zone, I played, hold on.
41:00I got to do the user search again. I played Tanner McKee, not even, not even low own Ken Walker, the Andre Swift Puka and Akua.
41:09But here's where it all goes downhill, buddy. I played Joshua fricking downs at 5,800.
41:14It's enough already, man. I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson.
41:18Is Josh downs a different player than Jeremy Bernard?
41:21Many are asking, you know, Jeremy's way better. Jeremy's way, way, way, way, way better.
41:26I I'm, I'm, I'm done. Like whatever points I get from Josh downs and best ball for the rest of the year, like I'll, I'll happily take them.
41:36But like, I'm going to stop trying to make it happen with new money.
41:40Like the, like I'm not throwing good money after bad on Josh downs anymore.
41:45The thing is downs is like, you know, he's five for 47 and he's six for 52, but there's no ceiling on this man.
41:53Like there's, there's no ceiling. And, and every time they do try and throw deep to him, like something bad happens.
42:00And, and like, obviously Daniel Jones is having this like awful year too.
42:04Like Daniel Jones is playing off and you're not even getting like, it's not like huge because there are so many idiots
42:12like me who also play salary cap DFS on draft Kings.
42:15It's not like you're ever getting him at 2%.
42:18It's always like, it's always like 9%, you know?
42:21So it's not even, he's super, super unique or anything.
42:25And I played Goddard on this team for the stack.
42:28And then I played Kyron in the flex, which actually looking at this, this is probably bad because you want to do the non Stafford lineup.
42:37Um, and you're hoping that like realistically, what would have been better on this would have actually to play like a Lave
42:44instead of Puka and like James cook instead of Kyron or something like I'm, I'm hoping that Stafford, like if Stafford gets
42:5131 points and this is my team, even if Tanner McKee has a good game, I probably, I probably lose.
42:58Right. Or, or if Puka and Kyron both have really good games, I probably lose to the Stafford teams, like a huge chunk of the time.
43:07Um, I assume the SIM ROI on this is pretty bad.
43:10Uh, 9% SIM ROI before lock, but then once it knows the field combos and the correlations, yeah, down, down to 10%.
43:18Nate, do you have anything interesting in the spy red zone in any of these red zones to talk about?
43:24Um, you already pulled up the 400k spy, right?
43:27Yes. Yeah. Uh, pull up the, uh, 2.75 millimaker.
43:30I had a, it's not, it's not cash yet.
43:33The only one. So, uh, the guys that run the Sims, I just told them to cash these tournaments more.
43:40So like, Oh, we gather the field for these four, like immediately.
43:44Got it. This, the rest of these are, will be live Sunday, Sunday night.
43:49I can, um, I can put it in this though.
43:52Okay. Yeah. Pull up the, uh, so the, in the 5.55 millimaker, I did a, a Jones team.
43:58How much, what's the field size on that? 4,879.
44:01A Daniel? A Daniel Jones. Yeah. So I did Daniel Jones, Bijan, Ramondre.
44:05Bijan. Hey, I'm going to have to scroll pretty far to get to Ramondre.
44:10What else? Uh, Drake London, Downs, Keenan Allen. Isaiah Lively.
44:13Honestly, honestly, Nate, I just want to say right now, I don't hate this as much as Sammy does.
44:20Isaiah Lively. Braylon Allen. Panthers D. Jones, Downs, and Keenan Allen is objectively hilarious, man.
44:25Dude, not just Jones, Downs, and Keenan Allen. I then said, you know what will make this lineup sexier?
44:31Ramondre. Let's put $555 behind that. I mean, I honestly, like, I, I, I played bad.
44:37Like, I, I don't like anything I put out there today.
44:40What, what were you, were you just out on Hubbard?
44:44Am I, was I, was I out on a.
44:47Dude, if I tell you what I felt about Hubbard, like, you're going to roast me.
44:52He's, I genuinely thought ETN was like going to get Jonathan Brooks level usage.
44:57And I thought like Hubbard's usage was going to like crumble.
45:00Nate, bro, come on, man. I was like, I was like, come on.
45:05And I was like Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, he's doing the bar stool meme.
45:10He's like, ETN's like, I didn't even know I was going to play.
45:14I didn't know I was active. Like Hubbard, the, the, I, I feel like Hubbard is such a Nate guy.
45:21Cause he's not very efficient, but he gets the ball so much.
45:25Like I felt like the whole first half of that game.
45:28Was just like every, every time I would check, it would be, it would be second and one, then third and one, then fourth and one.
45:37And all of the, all of it would go to Hubbard.
45:41Wow. This is so funny, Nate. Literally 0.97% SIM ROI 0.88 top.
45:45Well, that's actually not horrible top 1%, but very low, a very low cash rate in, in this SIM.
45:51So like a 28% cash rate is pretty low.
45:54Well, good news is the ownership came in much better than that.
45:58Downs only came in at 5%. Jones came in at 3%.
46:02Likely was, oh, I mean, he was pretty high.
46:05What about, what about Mondre? Mondre was 12. Mondre was like, he didn't drop.
46:09I that's, I feel bad about Ramondre. Like I had a lot of Ramondre.
46:14I, I get what Nate's saying. Like when we thought Travion was going to be out, uh, Ramondre was a great play.
46:21And then they're like, oh, Travion's in. And it's like, okay, he's six days off of a high ankle sprain.
46:28Uh, he's probably not going to get a ton of work.
46:32Um, little, little did Nate know about Kiner. Yeah.
46:35They like Kiner. And I mean, honestly, the, the Chuba 30 or 28 carries like, yeah.
46:40The fact that I played anybody near that it's tilting.
46:43I played bad. The Chuba thing was just a miss.
46:47Nope. You know, not everyone can be Davis Maddox.
46:50Not everyone can be the best to ever do it.
46:53Great day. You know, sometimes, sometimes that's the way she goes.
46:57They won't. The people hate this iteration of the show or Davis.
47:01I know this is the worst. Just end the show.
47:04No one likes it. I was going to say it was, it was like a great day.
47:10Like I, I smashed like a couple of huge pickups and stuff too.
47:14Like it was a good day. It was a good, it got to got dude.
47:19But maybe this is, this will show you how much of a laundry bro I am.
47:24Truly like the best part of my day was watching the chargers.
47:28Just not being able to do fuck all just like the most hapless loser organization.
47:33Just like every play, every play is just like the worst thing that could happen.
47:39You've got, you've got a bunch of zeros. And you know what?
47:43I also want to give a shout out to my goat.
47:46My guy, Josh Dombrowski, longtime fan, longtime, longtime friend, hangs out in the discord, was in the, was in the NFFC league
47:54with us last year and took first place in the main BR today.
47:58Tyler Shuck, Ken Walker, James Cook, Malik neighbors, Devonta Smith and Isaiah likely.
48:02So the neighbors likely, but no Jameis. Shuck on the other side, not duped, which very difficult to do with mostly players who are 100% drafted.
48:11Got a little bit of scroll action there with Shuck and Devonta, but just a great team from my goat.
48:18Goat Josh. Josh, good, good player. Good guy. And always, always happy to see, to see that.
48:23So respect my goat, Josh. I have, I'll end with this.
48:27If you guys are watching Packers, Cowboys. I was at a wedding last night.
48:32My friend had a 17 leg college football parlay.
48:35And instead of doing a responsible thing and taking any money out, he put all of it on Brevin Spanford for an anytime touchdown.
48:43All of it. The whole thing, whole stack on Brevin Spanford to score a touchdown against the Green Bay Packers.
48:49So as you are watching this game tonight, think of my friend who didn't tell his wife what he was doing until
48:57it was over and then said, Hey, do you want to go to, uh, do you want to go to Cancun or
49:04do you want to go to Jamaica? Because Brevin Spanford scores a touchdown.
49:08We're going. So think about that. All right, boys, I will be back with you guys tomorrow.
49:14Take it easy.
