0:00The Trade Gods He is here behind the scenes with us He has, Justin has a bag of trades, right?
0:06That's what you're trying to get. You're trying to get the bag.
0:10Isn't that what the kids say? You're trying to get the bag, get a bag when you do a great trade like
0:16you get the one on one, the 2027 one on one.
0:20That's a bag. I would consider that a bag.
0:22He has a bag of trades. There's something like 12 to 15 trades in there.
0:27He's going to throw these trades up on the screen and we're going to break them down.
0:32Half and half. Some of these trades you did, some of these trades I did, and actually we have a few that didn't actually happen.
0:40They were trades that we rejected and I'm going to complain about some of those trades because I don't appreciate some of
0:46the offers that I'm getting that have absolutely no chance of ever being accepted and I'm offended and I want to express my offense on the show today.
0:55It's part of the reason this show exists so I can yell at people for sending me sham offers.
1:01So now without further ado, Justin put up on the screen trade number one.
1:05Oh God. Why? Justin, this is what he's starting with?
1:08What? What is this? Okay. Of all the trades in the basket, right?
1:12That he could reach it and pull out. He pulled out.
1:15He he he. This was not, if I had to pick a trade that we should work up to, that we should
1:22maybe just mix in at some point because we want to start shows strong.
1:26We always talk about this at the player profiler podcast network.
1:29You want to start shows strong and end shows strong, right?
1:33Coach. Isn't that the mantra? Start and end very strong in the middle.
1:37You can kind of do what you want. Start and end strong.
1:40And so to start and end strong, we're seeing a trade where I received Tyler Huntley and I give up a fourth rounder.
1:47This was a trade offer. I received from someone named dynasty Zach, right?
1:51And by the way, it says hide usernames for screenshots.
1:54Is anyone on your, why does that exist? My username is Podfather 5,000 on sleeper.
1:59Just like my username on Twitter X is fantasy underscore mansion.
2:02Why does anyone try to hide people's usernames? Is that, is that a thing that's supposed to be kept secret?
2:08Cause I'm not doing it. You want to be in a league with me.
2:13You're in a league with me. Your, your username, Mike, get talked about on a podcast.
2:17You have to deal with it. What, what, why though?
2:20But what is that? Why would that even exist?
2:23Why would anyone care? Name and shame, name and shame, baby.
2:26Put it up there. So this trade, okay. This is a trade that I took offense to.
2:32I wanted to start with just trades that we did that we enjoyed or trades that, you know, we could break down both sides and explain the strategy.
2:40There's no strategy to discuss here. This is just a sham offer.
2:44I get these offers because I'm in so many leagues.
2:47I get a lot of these offers every week.
2:50And so basically part of my day is spent just rejecting the sham trades where clearly the person who is offering the
2:56trade is either not thinking or is actively spamming.
2:59It's one or the other. It's either you're not thinking at all because my team, that team has like three very strong quarterbacks.
3:06Like why would I trade for Tyler Huntley? My team is not in contention and I have three strong quarterbacks, including Fernando Mendoza.
3:13The last player that my team needs in that particular league is Tyler effing Huntley.
3:17So why would you offer it? It's obvious to anyone with a brain that I don't need Tyler Huntley.
3:23And I'm sure this person has a brain. And therefore my only next conclusion is this must be spam.
3:29This is a spam sham offer. That's the only explanation.
3:32If you at least give credit to your league mates that they're not idiots.
3:36Okay. Then the next, you're, you're forced, right? You're forced to come to the conclusion that this was spam and they just
3:43signed up for some software where you can send 11 offers to 11 teams trolling for a fourth rounder.
3:49And I don't agree with that. I don't agree with doing that.
3:52I think that that should be banned. I think if sleeper is going to do something, they should absolutely ban that shit.
3:59I can't even believe it's allowed that you could do that, but it's the only explanation.
4:04That is the best way that you could excuse this behavior is to say, this person just programmatically hit a button that
4:10says, try to get a fourth rounder for Tyler Huntley across all my leagues and let AI do it.
4:16Like, this is like an AI bot offer. And I personally, and this could be the boomer in me.
4:22I personally would never do this shit. I would never do it because I know it's a waste of time and I
4:29respect my league mates too much to make them waste time rejecting all of these deals.
4:34But some people are fine with it. Some people are like, listen, man, I'm going to spam the entire league.
4:40Kick me out if you want, but I'm going to do it because I know for every five spam offers I send
4:46out, there's one person like one in 55 that's going to hit yes.
4:50And I'm going to get a free fourth rounder out of it.
4:54And, you know, by the end of the year, I might have two or three free fourth rounders and I'm grinding so hard at dynasty.
5:01Maybe you're not trying as hard as I am because I'm signing up for this, this expensive software that's, you know, hijacking sleepers servers.
5:09And we're going to, we're going to spam our league mates and they just have to eat it.
5:14This is what makes the data centers run hot and make our climate, our whole globe just warm.
5:20This is a problem. It's problematic. I didn't see you go into global warming on this, but I'm here for it.
5:26Yes. The only, yeah, that fourth round dynasty pick, the world is going to shit, but you're going to get it one in 55 chance.
5:34But I know the culprits. It's those damn kids on those e-bikes who are taking the road.
5:39They're the ones, they're the culprits. They're the new generation.
5:42They're trying to run you off the road with your bicycle out there.
5:46It's terrible and it needs to stop. I think that's what it is.
5:50I'm not, I'm really not passing judgment. My only remark here is that I don't do this.
5:55This is against my ethos in dynasties. A couple of things that I don't do.
5:59I don't send spam offers. You're in a league with me.
6:03You're not going to get any spam offers. You're not going to get any bots running my team.
6:08Okay. That I can promise you you're going to leave with me.
6:12All right. Number one, number two, I'm going to try my hardest to win with the team I have.
6:18So if for whatever reason you were in a league with me and I start a guy in a bye week, or
6:24I started a guy that's injured, or I don't put in a guy that clearly is about to produce this week, that is a mistake.
6:32That is an oversight and absolutely text me, email me, contact me in whatever way you can.
6:37Let me know that on Sunday morning and I will get it fixed.
6:41I will get my lineup ship shape. I take a lot of pride in making sure that guy is out and I'm, I'm a shallow bench.
6:49I got nobody. I'm taking over an orphan team and it's just been hollowed out.
6:53And I have to put in George Helani for those five fantasy points.
6:57I'm going to do that, right? I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed to tell you how much George Helani I've started this year.
7:04And a lot of these are teams that are in the bottom three.
7:08And there are a number of leagues that I'm in where I am in second to last or third to last place
7:14because of this, because I know there are teams out there that you look at their lineup and you're like, wait a second.
7:21Why is that player on the bench? That doesn't make any sense.
7:25You should, that player needs to be in your, wait, what, what, how, how are you not starting Michael Wilson this week?
7:32Right. You can't, what? A bad matchup. Yeah. What are you doing?
7:35Right. You're not starting Michael Wilson against the lions, right?
7:38They just traded Marvin Harrison Jr. You're going to keep Michael Wilson on the bench, but you're going to, you're going to
7:45keep name immediately, you know, Stefan digs in the lineup and he's out.
7:49Like, I don't like that. I don't like that at all.
7:52There's nothing you can do about it. Really? I mean, to get to that level of policing, the only way that you
7:59can prevent it is I know that there is a setting that some of these leagues have, which I really like, which
8:06prevents this, which basically says that even though it's a managed league, we treat the draft order as if it was best ball.
8:12Yeah. That's called a max points for setting, which I'm in a couple of those leagues and basically essentially whatever's on your roster is best ball points applied.
8:21Yes. Excellent. And I think that's a great setting.
8:24It's a great setting. It lies where it lies.
8:26That's the only way to do it. Otherwise, if you try to intervene and manually change lineups or, you know, call out players for the sandbagging behavior.
8:35No, no, no. This max points draft order setup, basically best balling.
8:38The draft order is how I like to think about it.
8:42That's the easiest way to think about it. If you just best ball the draft order, it eliminates a lot of this nonsense.
8:49A lot of this gamesmanship is just gone because I just, I can't stomach it.
8:53I know that in leagues that aren't using that setting, I could absolutely gain the system to make sure that I lock in Jeremiah Smith.
9:01I'm just not wired that way. I'm not wired that way.
9:04And in future, future years, 2027, 2028, 2029, me being wired the way I am is going to help me because I'm
9:11going to be so ultra competitive that I'm going to grind out victories when I'm in win now mode that I was
9:17only able to sharpen that steel to get to this point because I'm wired this way.
9:22I'm not wired this other way. I don't think you can just turn it on.
9:27I think you can say, I'm going to participate in this sandbagging behavior, but then one day I'm going to decide to flip the switch.
9:34We're like athletes, big time dynasty leaguers like us.
9:37We're in 20 plus leagues. We're like professional athletes.
9:40Everybody, you know, it you're in, you're in, you're in 20 plus dynasty leagues.
9:44You know, you feel, you feel like a professional athlete.
9:47You're grinding so hard at this. I get it.
9:50I'm with you. And just like a provider, you don't want to be Marvin Harrison, Jr.
9:55You want to be Michael Wilson. I'm Michael Wilson.
9:57I'm wired like Michael Wilson. I'm not Marvin Harrison when it comes to running dynasty teams.
10:02I had a coach once tell me you got to want it when it's not there.
10:07So when it's there, you'll be ready for it.
10:10So you, Matt Kelly, you podfather are applying that principle right now.
10:14So when the time comes, you will be ready.
10:16My friend. Say that again. I want that one more time.
10:20I want that on wax. That was life advice of the highest order.
10:24You got to want it when it's not there.
10:26So when it's there, you'll be ready for it.
10:29Always grind. So thankfully just to update everybody, none of my other league mates, the 10 league mates, including me, that's 11 total.
10:36None of us accepted that deal. So Tyler Huntley is going to continue to rot away on whatever team he's on dynasty.
10:43Zach or whatever. Didn't get, he didn't, didn't fool us this time, but he, I have a feeling there's going to be more of these trades to come.
10:51We'll see. We'll see. Maybe listen to the show and there's a, some kind of setting in the AI, some kind of
10:58prompt where you can say, send these offers, but not ever to the podfather ever again.
11:03I'm hoping if, if we accomplish nothing other than getting like a, an exception AI prompt to, to leave me alone, leave me out of this.
11:11Yeah. Then we've won. All right. What's next, Justin?
11:13Oh boy. Another one. Justin, like he's, I don't know.
11:16This doesn't seem randomized to me. This really, Justin, this does not seem randomized to me.
11:21This is the second trade that he has put on the board that did not happen that I have a, an emotional
11:28reaction to this was a deal where I was proposed to receive Jordan Addison in a 20, 27 second for Christian Watson.
11:34Hey, maybe next year you can get this deal Addison in a second last year.
11:39Yesterday's price is not today's price. Let's talk about Christian Watson, the wide receiver three overall.
11:44You want to send this AI slot bullshit from Jordan Addison.
11:47And let's talk about two podfather, how good it feels to be right about Christian Watson.
11:52Feel it in my heart, my soul, in my penis.
11:55It feels fucking amazing. It feels so fucking good.
11:58It feels so fucking good. Can I just remind everybody about our tactics in startups from round like eight to 12?
12:04If we can remind everybody what we were up to, what our strategy was, this is, this is verbatim.
12:10This is verbatim. This was our approach was first two targets.
12:13We wanted after the first wave of, of, of wide receivers go off the board.
12:18Okay. We were drafting tight ends. We were getting our running back.
12:21We're drafting Scadaboo member Scadaboo was a popular running back.
12:25And then we were trying to, you know, see if we could see if we could get a Tyler shock was a
12:31popular quarterback that we were drafting in these startups this summer.
12:35And then, and I have some of these teams, by the way, I have some of these teams.
12:40And then we, we said that there's a, there's a real sweet spot for wide receivers that can help your fantasy team now and in the future.
12:48And it's about, it lasts for about four rounds, four or five rounds.
12:52And the band, the, the, the, the, the band, the range of players was, it started with Christian Watson.
12:58And if you remember it ended with Jalen Coker, like it was Christian Watson and Jalen Coker.
13:03The only wide receiver in that range that has not hit this year for us was Jaden Reed.
13:08We wanted access to the Packers passing game. That's what, that was something we were desperate for.
13:14It was Christian Watson after Christian Watson. This is, you can check the tape.
13:18It was Parker Washington. We were targeting, and I have these Watson Washington teams that are in first place.
13:24And I'm thinking back to the streams we did you and me, like this is something we're doing.
13:29And then it, and then we, I remember trying to get Reed and then not getting Reed, getting sniped on Reed and then ending up with Coker.
13:37So there are teams where I have Watson and Washington and Michael Wilson was in there as well.
13:43And Michael Wilson went before Coker. So Michael Wilson was the other one that we were targeting.
13:48And these were all just podfather specials. These are non first round picks players that were just the community, the public slow
13:55to get behind these players, mostly because they weren't first rounders.
13:58That's most of the reason like third rounder, Michael Wilson, sixth rounder, Parker Washington, second rounder, Christian Watson.
14:03Like the theme was none of these guys were first round picks, but they were acting as if their underlying metrics looked
14:10like first round picks and they were in their prime.
14:13They were from age 24 to age 27. This swath of players in sort of the early middle rounds of dynasty startups.
14:20We hammered wide receiver. There were startups where we went four straight wide receivers, just ding, ding, ding, ding.
14:26Cause we were like, well, you can get an alpha receiver in his prime three rounds after the equivalent guy goes.
14:32And then there were also some older receivers that we were, that we were soaking up.
14:37Number one being Devante Adams. Ooh. Yeah. Remember that.
14:39Remember that it was, it was a tier by itself because this was a very specific group of wide receivers in startups.
14:46Again, age 24 to age 27, non first round picks that were underrated.
14:50So we blew through that cohort. And then sometimes Devante Adams would still be on the board because he's 33 years old.
14:57And then there was that one team where we, we stacked Stafford with Devante Adams.
15:01And that was a fun, that was a, that was a pretty fun.
15:05That was a, we, we just, we had some fun this summer.
15:09We had fun. Hey, it's like Vince McMahon where he's like, Oh man, it was, it was special, but we talked all
15:16off season about Christian Watson was the firewall wide receiver too, that you could build on your team.
15:21You could jam in any kind of running backs, quarterback bills, Tyler Shuck in those rounds four and five range.
15:27Dak Prescott was another one that you could get.
15:30So you could scaffold your entire team, get Christian Watson, but look, the signal was all there.
15:35No Don Tavia Wicks. You have Romeo Dubs, who's out of town, narrow target tree between Reed, Golden, Watson, and Tucker Kraft.
15:42We really predicted Kraft and Christian Watson. And then we got even more signal as we got closer to the season with
15:48the Josh Jacobs suspension, or just being out on the commissioner's exempt list, being out.
15:53And then it's just, it's right there for us.
15:56Christian Watson is just absolutely eating. You had the contract.
15:59That was another compounding factor. So there was just all steamroll momentum for us.
16:03The entirety of the off season, we were there.
16:06We were, we had it. We were on it.
16:08We had people call us out pod father. We had fantasy receipts hit us up on Matthew Golden that we missed on him.
16:15Well, guess what? Any dickhead can be in on every single player that's out there.
16:20Every now and then you miss one. Wait, what happened?
16:23They, they got out. They, they put it, they put a graph.
16:27It's from this show. They got, they got us on, they receded us on Matthew Golden.
16:31But all I have to say is what about Matthew Golden?
16:35What happened? I guess there was some bearish content that we put out on him.
16:39Is he a thousand yard receiver? Whoa, that's a little early.
16:43It's a little early on Matthew Golden. I think Matthew Golden has run as pure as can be.
16:48The green Bay Packers have the worst running game in the league.
16:52They are number 32 in run blocking and Jaden Reed got hurt.
16:55So I would be very careful victory lapping on Matthew Golden.
16:59Matthew Golden's a 23 year old first round pick.
17:01Of course, this first round picks. If they have a couple of good games, of course, running the best case scenario, why
17:08first round pick, but I would be very careful with Matthew Golden.
17:12Matthew Golden was not productive in college. Matthew Golden in advanced models, like the breakout finder does not score well.
17:18He is absolutely in the best possible situation to score wide receiver fantasy points right now, especially given the injury to Jaden Reed.
17:25But I would not be running out and celebrating a Matthew Golden breakout until we actually see it.
17:30It's still very early. What do we have? Five games in the books?
17:34And he is a wide receiver two in fantasy.
17:37Okay. His catch rate is like 50%. So he hasn't even been that efficient.
17:41There's a lot of unrealized air yards there. Now maybe he can realize those air yards and he can become a wide
17:48receiver one, but this is an inefficient volume dependent wide receiver that has no one behind him.
17:53I mean, the player behind him in the depth chart is Sky Moore.
17:57He's hurt. Savion Williams, he's hurt. Jaden Reed was already hurt weeks ago.
18:01Bo Melton converted to cornerback, and now he's playing wide receiver.
18:04So this is the target competition that you're going to wave around as a big win.
18:09Maybe wait until he has, I don't know. How about, let's say 500 receiving yards?
18:14How about 500 receiving yards? Or why doesn't he first match what he did last year, right?
18:19At least get to like 29 catches. He's not even at 29 catches yet.
18:23What are we even talking about? So fantasy receipts is going this early on a guy like Matthew Golden.
18:29That's dangerous. Old fantasy receipts would not have done that.
18:32Old fantasy receipts was definitely smarter and would not have potentially been caught out doing this because then the problem is if
18:38you're a receipt company and you try to be first by laying down the receipt, sometimes that receipt can get torn up.
18:45Sometimes that receipt's wrong. Sometimes the receipt can get all wet.
18:48You know how you put the receipt on the bar and it gets all wet with beer on it and you can't see it anymore.
18:56And suddenly the receipts null and void that could happen.
18:59This receipt might go straight in the trash can fantasy receipts, and then you can receipt the receipts.
19:05So we need to save that. Please. I did not know this existed.
19:08That fantasy receipts was going a little early and coming at us a little bit early, like a little, little, little early.
19:15Please bookmark that. And we got to come back to that.
19:18If someone told me that they traded Matthew Golden for 20, 27 first, I'd be like good trade.
19:24Absolutely. He is easily a sell high. This is, I mean, he's the perfect sell high candidate.
19:29He's got the first round capital. He's only 23 years old.
19:32You could absolutely weave a narrative to your league mate that he's worth now a first round pick.
19:38He's golden. Yeah, he's golden. Exactly. It's golden hour.
19:41Got to get him. Got to get him now.
19:43First round pick. Right. And then you could actually get a real first rounder, a player that deserves to be drafted in the first round.
19:51Matthew Golden absolutely did not do enough at Texas to deserve a first round pick that that pick was like wired because
19:58the draft was in green Bay and they wanted golden and they invited him there and he wore the coolest suit ever.
20:04And it was a great moment. And I cried and I loved it.
20:08It was awesome. It was great television, but that doesn't mean he's going to be a great receiver.
20:14Get out of here with that. Wow. I'm actually very pleased about this, that they jumped the gun so early over at
20:20fantasy receipts, because this might be the rare opportunity to receipt the receipt.
20:24Yeah. Think about a Texas teammate, Cam Coleman. Would you prefer him with his resume already?
20:29Of course. Of course. For that 27 one. Of course.
20:32And by the way, back to this trade. I mean, because are we ever going to get through 10 plus trades and we're never going to do it.
20:41I mean, fantasy receipts is, is try to take us down with a small sample.
20:45Matthew Golden. Oops. Uh, okay. So someone tried to trade me Jordan Addison at a 20, 27 second for Christian Watson.
20:52That is such an absurd offer that again, I was offended.
20:55I am getting offended. I am not emotionally detached.
20:58I am not super clinical. I do swing with emotions and I do get pissed off when my time is wasted having
21:04to reject these kinds of sham offers in what world like this.
21:08The person who offered this did not think it would ever be accepted.
21:12Then what are you doing? You're wasting both of our time sham.
21:16What's next? What's next, Justin? Oh, beautiful. So this is part of a team that I'm in active cell mode.
21:22I'm stripping the house of the non-essential copper, but I'm keeping the good copper pieces.
21:26I sent away, this is a couple of weeks ago before the cliff though, too.
21:31Uh, Mike Evans. Sure. He's doing great. Barkley got hurt.
21:34Evans Barkley. They said, throw in Romeo doves. Sure.
21:36Fine. All well, good. 27 first, 27 second. I've accumulated, uh, three 27 first, which includes mine for 27 seconds.
21:43I have two 28 ones to 28 twos. And look, I look at aging assets.
21:47Evans Barkley, weren't going to serve my team. I've kept the younger assets in 1.75 tight end premium, rock Bowers cornerstone asset, Michael mayor.
21:54I've got Jonah Coleman, Marion Hampton, Chris Bell, Jordan Tyson.
21:57So I have very good parts. Still. I'm just selling off the aging assets, which there's a difference between you sell everybody
22:04and you tank and you put in just some slapdick player who isn't even active to get the one-on-one because remember podfather, you're too competitive.
22:12You're going to be in that second and third place spot because of those people.
22:16But this is a different way to attack and be aggressive in dynasty divergent.
22:20It allows the people who want to go in, allows the people who want to go out and build for the future to get stronger.
22:28So both teams get stronger. The team that wants to win now got stronger.
22:32And I fortified my position as soon as 2027.
22:35Gary Gouy sheets, Gouy sheets. I love that we're calling people out by their sleeper username.
22:40If you don't like it, you could email me podfather at roto wonderworld.com and explain why it's a big deal, why you hate it.
22:47I don't care. I don't care. I'm out there in the open with all my teams and all my roster ship and all my trades.
22:55And if you want to hide, hide, but you can explain yourself.
22:58You could DM me on Twitter X at fantasy underscore mansion and explain why you want your username hidden.
23:04But for now, uh, we're out here playing in the, in the arena of dynasty.
23:09And so show your face. Do you want to go out here and play and face off against me?
23:14Show your face to the world. These are trades that we're all accountable for any trade.
23:19I do. You can post it anywhere. Let fantasy receipts run with it.
23:23Sometimes too early. They blow go a little really blew it.
23:27Just really, really. If it just waited a few weeks, it would have had so much more residents, but it's like, Hey man, settle down.
23:34Like Jesus, their pass rate is, is unsustainable for the long run.
23:38Like what are you, this is, this is, this is a sell high situation.
23:42What the hell are you doing? I want to commend you for being able to do this trade in theory.
23:48Sure. You can trade Mike Evans and you can trade Saquon Barkley and players for a 20, 27 first and a 20, 27 second.
23:55A lot of people are not going to go for that.
23:59They're going to see how old Mike Evans is and how broken Saquon Barkley is, and they're not going to do it.
24:05I have Saquon Barkley in a league where I'm not going to compete.
24:09And I waited too long. The Turkey got overcooked and now he's worthless, but that's the thing, man.
24:15That's the thing. Players like Mike Evans, players like Saquon Barkley, they're a concerning injury away from essentially being useless.
24:21They, they say it's dust. The kids say that these players have turned to dust because that's what happens.
24:27Their dynasty value turns to dust. So you got that trade just under the wire.
24:31I mean, chef's kiss on the timing and even being able to pull it off.
24:36I just want people to know that trade only happens in like half the leagues.
24:40I'm in half the leagues. They won't even entertain a deal like that.
24:4420, 27 are off the board. And if you're going to try to give me 30 year old players, they're going to tell you to pound sand.
24:52Yeah. I went to about quarter of the league, third of the league, and I got one rock to turn over that sales, baby.
25:00You just get, you need one. Just know in a lot of leagues, you'll get zero and you have to adjust and you have to adjust.
25:08And if, and if you're, if you're rebuilding, if you're rebuilding, you have to do it.
25:12Like my point is if you let the leak expire this season, the season's over and you have Saquon Barkley in your
25:19team, you've lost like you, if they wouldn't give you a 20, 27 first, and you had to settle for a 20,
25:2628 first or something, you need to do it.
25:28Otherwise you're, you're like me sitting here with a Barkley.
25:31I can't move at all. That's the price of not doing a deal.
25:35There was a real price to letting these older assets just wither away on your rebuilding roster.
25:41You need to scour the league and take what you can get.
25:44It's just that in this particular case, what you got was peak value.
25:48Yeah. It's like a Neil McCauley and heat where he's like, you gotta leave when you suspect the heat 30 seconds flat, you gotta run.
25:56That's what we did. Beautiful trade. What's next, Justin?
25:58Oh, okay. Sexual. See what's happening here. Talk to me.
26:02Stripping the assets, stripping the assets, selling the non-essential copper.
26:05George Kittle on the older side, still a great asset.
26:08DJ less. I want DJ less on my teams and dynasty.
26:11He's DJ more in redraft. So if you want him on a winning team, sure.
26:15You're on the good side of four and one.
26:18Yes. But for me, give me Jonah Coleman and I got the two twos.
26:22I crafted this deal. I feel like it's even, it's good parts for the person who's trying to win.
26:28It's great parts for me for just stacking my picks.
26:31And to me, Jonah Coleman is going to end up being a league winner, especially if you look at how RJ Harvey's
26:38being used and how inefficient and just JK Dobbins, it's over, man.
26:42It's about to be over for him. I cannot wait next week until Jonah Coleman comes back.
26:47Dust to dust. Yeah. People forget about Jonah Coleman.
26:49Easy to forget about Nicholas Singleton. There are running backs that are waiting in the wings that are bigger, better, faster, more
26:56explosive versions of the players that they are currently backing up.
26:59Jonah Coleman, you could argue they might, they might decide just to put him in, in, in upgrade on JK Dobbins.
27:06We're seeing this around the league where there are teams that are just there.
27:10Think about the Texans. They pay all this money to David Montgomery.
27:14And a couple of weeks go by, they're pulling them off the field.
27:18Like I've been surprised about how quickly some of these backfields have become meritocracies, pleasantly surprised.
27:22And Sean Payton, I mean, talk about, I want some metrics on Sean Payton, his yell rate, his holler rate on the
27:29sidelines, the, the angry rate of these coaches in Denver.
27:32I've never seen a higher rate of anger with players and each other, how much yelling between the coaches there was on the sideline.
27:39This is the perfect environment for them to say, just Vaudevillian cane, these guys out of here, these veterans out here, put
27:46the rookie in, get somebody else in there. I got to see a new face.
27:51I got to see something. I got to see something different.
27:54Bo Nix is safe for now, for now. Bo Nix is safe.
27:58Bo Nix also not a player I have. I looked, I don't have any, I don't have any Bo Nix.
28:04I only have a couple players that I can say I don't have any of strangely.
28:09And it's not like I had an agenda to go fade Bo Nix.
28:13We never talked about Bo Nix in all the startups we did.
28:16We've never talked about Bo Nix. None of the orphans I took over happened to have Bo Nix.
28:22It's just a, he's just a, a placeholder quarterback.
28:24He runs enough. He throws well enough. He just does the bare minimum.
28:28And I'm like, why do I want the bare minimum?
28:31I can get the bare minimum from Geno Smith at a lot less, less cost.
28:36At least if we, at least if you went a little bit harder, a little riskier, like we did, I think what
28:43would happen was we were either trying to get super premium quarterbacks early or wait, like Caleb Williams.
28:48I have Caleb Williams in a bunch of these leagues.
28:51It was basically Cody and I competing for who was going to draft Caleb Williams.
28:56I think one startup I was in with Cody, he took Caleb Williams at the 102 and super flex.
29:01I was like, it's aggressive, Cody. Let's be honest.
29:04He's like, I don't want you to get him.
29:07I was like, well, okay. So we were either going in that direction and then we were waiting and then trying to,
29:13trying to catch a Dak Prescott, trying to catch a round discount on Patrick Mahomes.
29:18So we got a round discount on Patrick Mahomes.
29:21Got Patrick Mahomes in the fourth round, a bunch got a round discount on Prescott, a bunch.
29:26And then the other quarterback we're trying to get after Prescott was shock.
29:30It was, that was the group that was that those were the targets.
29:34And so for whatever reason, it is so strange.
29:37If there was a player that is quite valuable, especially in super flex, I think we could all Bo Nix has value.
29:43If you're in a super flex league, Bo Nix is a valuable piece.
29:47I never think about him. Like he, if, if you just looked at super flex assets, Bo Nix is the player I think about the least.
29:55And that can't be a good thing. He's quarterback 20, right?
29:58Or 21. And he's behind, you just mentioned the bare minimum.
30:02Geno Smith is quarterback 20. So you couldn't have teed that up any better.
30:06It's the only player that's really dropped for us significantly because our quarterback rankings in dynasty on player profiler are much stickier
30:13because things change with systems and situations and game scripts and all these things.
30:17So overreacting to four weeks of data is a path to hell, especially at the quarterback position in dynasty.
30:23Like what are you going to do? You're going to go trade Patrick Mahomes for Bryce young.
30:28You're going to do that. Well, you got to keep trade cut.
30:31But I mean, no one's actually doing that. You know, it's just, no, you're not doing that shit, but you know, you
30:38see these, these quarterbacks, they fly up and down the board on keep trade cut a crowdsourced ranking system.
30:44It just doesn't make sense to me. Whereas that's by far and away the stickiest position for us.
30:49However, there's such a headwind now with the pass rate and the play volume in Denver and the lack of efficiency and
30:56just the meh factor for Bo Nix that he's just been dropping.
31:00Like he's just been every week. It's just been a steady drumbeat down the board for Bo Nix.
31:05And if you have him, what do you do with Bo Nix?
31:09Can you trade him? I wouldn't even think about putting him on the block.
31:13I maybe, maybe you could sell low. If someone's thinks they can get 2025 Bo Nix at a discount of the 11
31:20league mates, maybe one of those guys will be your partner for a trade.
31:24But again, I think that's 50, 50. I think it's probably one out of 25 league mates, something like that would give
31:31you anything close to 2025 value on Bo Nix.
31:33He looks bad to follow up to this. This is perfect.
31:37Teeing up for this debate. Bo Nix, Justin Herbert, who do you buy low on and why?
31:42Well, who has the, who has the better resume?
31:44Statistically, Justin Herbert has several 20 plus fantasy points per game seasons.
31:48He's also had in that run where he had early in his career.
31:52He did have one down season. And even if you look at Tom Brady, look at the most consistent quarterbacks of all time.
31:59They do oscillate pretty wildly. Brady has been like the QB 24 and Brady has been the QB one in a season.
32:06Why? Well, his entire offensive line got hurt and his number one receiver was Troy Brown.
32:11And in that season, Tom Brady was not what you would call a fantasy asset.
32:15Okay. Well, Justin Herbert's offensive line has been hurt.
32:18Now, again, I've heard that this is partly due to the electric substation that is also next to the chargers practice facility.
32:25There's a, they were there, there's a second practice facility apparently that is directly next to an electric, an electric substation.
32:31And it just so happens that the chargers and the 49ers are by far and away the two most injured teams.
32:37And they're the two teams that are in closest proximity to an electric substation.
32:42So that is happening. But anyway, you look up all it's hurt Slater's hurt and their starting receivers are hurt.
32:48And they had one guy that could meet the bare minimum requirements of an X receiver and Trey Harris.
32:53And then he got hurt in the early third quarter.
32:56So it's doom and gloom. It doesn't get any worse in terms of the situation for Justin Herbert.
33:02Last time I checked, Bo Nix has healthy quarter has healthy receivers.
33:05Last time I checked this, this is just a dysfunctional offense.
33:09You can blame on the coaches, but you can also blame the coaches for what's happening in Los Angeles too.
33:15So basically I think it's easily Herbert because Herbert has a more impressive resume is a better thrower of footballs is a
33:22better athlete just in and of himself, just first principles.
33:25But then also his situation has become so much worse in terms of just 2026 temporary, temporary insanity of an offense.
33:31Like if the offense has to declare temporary insanity, temporary dysfunctionalness, whatever it is.
33:35So he's suffering from the highest degree of temporary dysfunctionalness, much more than Bo Nix right now.
33:40I know it looks dysfunctional when you watch the broadcast because Sean Payton's yelling at everybody, but at least they're healthy.
33:47It's an absolute revelation that you came out and told us that there's an electric substation affecting of all teams, the chargers.
33:53So that's just incredible. Actually one little note, people don't realize there are plenty of cheesesteak stations in the area of Philadelphia
34:00that are hurting the Philadelphia Eagles skill position players.
34:03Uh-oh. Stigmon Barkley, Devonta Smith. So not enough is being made of the cheesesteak stations affecting the Philadelphia Eagles.
34:09So you got all these excuses for all these teams for why they're getting hurt and whatnot.
34:14Over to somebody like Jalen Hurts. Is it sell high time on him?
34:18And would you tear down to a Herbert and add some pluses like maybe a 27 one plus like pick side?
34:24I got bad news. I got some bad news.
34:27As of this week, this is the first time in years, years, Eagles fans.
34:31Jalen Hurts is no longer a top five dynasty quarterback.
34:34Oh, sadly, this, this happened. This was, and again, he lost AJ Brown through no fault of his own.
34:40He has lost Devonta Smith recently. He's lost Dallas Goddard recently.
34:43This is one of the more under discussed elements, input factors in a player's lifetime value rating is their supporting cast.
34:49And it's just not talked about enough. Like his number one receiver is Dontavian Wicks.
34:54What can you imagine Jordan Love? We've seen Jordan Love operating with Dontavian Wicks and Matthew Golden, and it looked really bad.
35:01It was not good football. It was not fun to watch.
35:04Hurts is, is dealing with a bad offensive line.
35:07The offensive line is as bad as it's ever been there, which is why Saquon Barkley has no yards blocked like per touch might have negative.
35:15I don't know if Saquon Barkley going to finish the year as the first running back with negative yards blocked per touch.
35:21It's getting that bad with their offensive line. So, I mean, he's not down there with Herbert.
35:26He's certainly in it. He's currently still, I would say two tiers above Herbert still.
35:31So we are not going to be fading Jalen Hurts into oblivion.
35:35That's not going to happen. We have these guys for their careers.
35:38This is dynasty, and this is one season, but if you had to pick two guys that yes, I would consider by
35:45lows right now in dynasty, Hurts and Herbert would be top of the list.
35:49Okay. A note on Hurts, the next few weeks schedule is beautiful.
35:53And if you want to sell and get out of the Hurts business, I would suggest waiting until they first face this week.
36:00Yeah. The Panthers, ready? Cowboys, Commanders, then the Giants.
36:03So the next month is going to be incredible despite the Chief Steak Station diverting their plans.
36:08You cannot sell low on Herbert. That's not the time to sell low on Herbert because everything is destined to improve for him.
36:15He is the same guy. He's still like 29 years old.
36:18He's going to be as good as he's been the last five years.
36:22It's not like he forgot how to play football for the next five years.
36:26And the situation around him is only going to improve.
36:29Jalen Hurts, the situation around him is only going to improve.
36:33And he's a couple of years younger than Josh Allen.
36:36And he has the game that's most similar to Josh Allen.
36:39He basically has Josh Allen with a weaker arm.
36:42That's the best way to explain who Jalen Hurts is.
36:45And that's a really good fantasy quarterback. These are players, I'm happy to buy low on.
36:50Bo Nix is a sell low because you could absolutely open up your computer or your phone or your tablet or your eyes two years from now.
36:58And Bo Nix is a backup quarterback somewhere. The question I have for you is who do you think gets banished first,
37:04gets supplanted first because these guys were drafted back to back in the NFL draft, Michael Penix or Bo Nix?
37:10Because it's now a debate. They're converging in the dynasty rankings.
37:14It's not like there's no pass volume at all in Atlanta.
37:17So Penix can only rise so much, right? Penix is only going to go up slightly, just like a semi sort of
37:24rise up the rankings, not a full, like, you know, all the blood rushing toward that particular asset.
37:29Everybody after that, everybody wanting a piece of that, everyone grabbing at it in dynasty.
37:34That's not going to happen to Penix in the context of this Atlanta offense.
37:38But what could happen is because at least this is a functional offense, because they can move the ball through Bijan primarily
37:45and their offensive line, if they can win games and sustain drives, he could put up fewer fantasy points per game than
37:51Bo Nix, but keep his job longer. Yeah. Think about how you facilitate to the moneymakers in Bijan Robinson and Drake London.
37:58You're not getting that right now from Bo Nix with Jalen Waddell, who was acquired.
38:03They paid a ton just to acquire him. And the other thing that's happening with Bo Nix is he's not rushing and
38:09fleeing and using the ability he has on the ground.
38:12And when you consider the fact that he had that ankle injury, I think it stands to reason that there could be
38:19a little bit of fear street for him in playing more hesitancy.
38:23And it's an issue for his play. I've always thought he's a system quarterback in a good system with Sean Payton.
38:29But if you're messing that up to your point, the rest of the NFL is not going to be as promising for him.
38:36So if you mess it up with Sean Payton, I'm not so sure you can succeed much elsewhere.
38:41I really hope that's what it is with him.
38:44If that's what it is, if you have Bo Nix and dynasty, again, I don't have any of him.
38:50And it's a complete outlier because I have at least some of every quarterback, including Josh Allen.
38:55I have, I found, I have, I did remember, I have a couple of Josh Allen's, which is great.
39:01It's like, I forgot I have Josh Allen. It's just that when you take over orphans, you just never expect to have Gibbs.
39:08You never expect to have Josh Allen. Oh, you have Gibbs.
39:11You have Gibbs on that one league where somebody died and you took it over.
39:16I remember that. I do have a couple Gibbs actually.
39:19It just makes me smile every time I opened up that, that team.
39:23And I have a couple of Josh Allen's and it's just, it's, it's fun.
39:27It's fun to have these players. It's fun to look up and oh, I have Bijan in the league.
39:33That's amazing. I think only have Bijan like one league, no Bo Nix at all.
39:37Total variants have no idea why I just don't have him.
39:41And I'm very, I couldn't be more happy. I mean, to avoid that particular landmine because he is officially, I think the,
39:47one of the great landmine quarterbacks and all of super flex, if it is the ankle and he's just not a hundred percent mentally or physically.
39:55And eventually as the season goes along, we start to see him scrambling.
39:59We start to see him making plays with his arm and his leg.
40:03And all of a sudden it's like, oh yeah, this is the Bo Nix that I remember from a couple of years ago.
40:10Great. Yeah. This is, but this is, this is NFL breakout Bo Nix.
40:14Welcome back. That's very possible. It's very possible, but it's also possible that Bo Nix, the guy that was kicked around college
40:21football for six years, isn't actually a stud, you know, franchise level quarterback in the NFL.
40:25And he finds himself more on like the CJ Stroud path where the team just doesn't want to pay him.
40:32I don't know. I don't know. When is he, when is he up for like a new contract?
40:37Is this his third year? I feel like it's coming up soon.
40:41I think it's coming up soon because, well, it doesn't really matter that he was drafted in the first round quarterbacks, the,
40:47the, the, you know, the fifth year option never comes into it.
40:51It's got one more year, 2027. Oh, call it.
40:54Jesus Christ. I can't, we got to move on.
40:56We got to put another trade up on the screen.
40:59Oh my God. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry to the audience.
41:03Guess what? I just read. Colin cowherd is begging Denver not to resign Bo Nix to an extension.
41:08Okay. I'm now calling cowherd. This is over. I love Bo Nix.
41:12I wish I'm going to go try to trade for him by low on Bo Nix.
41:17I can't be seen or heard having the same take as Colin cowherd.
41:21What is happening to me? Bo Nix stinks. I don't want him.
41:24What's next, Justin? Oh, look at Justin. So fast.
41:27Yes. Talk to us, coach. What is this? Yeah.
41:30And this really set off that league where I'm turning things around and he had shorted me on, I think the, I don't know, 28 sec.
41:38It was like a 28 seconds. That's what it was.
41:41It was a 28 second, this first and that 27 second.
41:44So then I said, Hey, make it a 28 first, 27 first and the second, and we'll turn it around.
41:50He said here, throw on that fourth. So maybe he can go try and acquire Tyler Huntley later.
41:56And I go and I build my team for the future.
41:59And I offset Trevor Lawrence. I have Daniel Jones and Baker Mayfield and Mac Jones as well.
42:04Mac Jones is another piece of that copper that I want to keep for that house because I see him getting an NFL job, especially pot father.
42:12If we end up having somebody like Arch Manning go back to school, one less quarterback.
42:17So yeah, not for nothing. I'm enjoying that. Who talked about that so much that the audience yelled at me?
42:23I believe the audience yelled at me, stop talking about Arch Manning and the propaganda.
42:28There's no way he's going back to school. No way.
42:31I heard there was no chance. And then I'm an idiot and I'm wasting people's time.
42:36And I'm a troll for mentioning for even broaching the subject.
42:39And no, I was like, I was like, no, I think the odds are he comes out, but think about all these
42:46scenarios where he actually doesn't come out. One of those scenarios is what we're seeing now where he's not playing at the highest level.
42:53He's not playing up to his own expectations. The team isn't playing up to his own expectations.
42:58And he might just want to stay in college because playing football at Texas looks like a hell of a lot of fun to me.
43:06It looks a lot more fun. I mean, it doesn't look, it is, it's a hell of a lot more fun to
43:12play football at Texas than it is to play football in Cleveland.
43:16And he can still make a lot of money.
43:19Yeah, exactly. And it's not like he has to eat in the cafeteria anymore.
43:23No, it's not like that. Times have changed. Times have changed back in my day.
43:27Arch Manning would have to go to the cafeteria.
43:30No more. Are we holding Hampton? You have to, you have to, you thank you.
43:35You have to, okay. Pretty much you have to hold chargers.
43:38The chargers are so dysfunctional. They're so broken that the only player that you can afford to sell low on because it's absolutely over.
43:45And the fact that he had any value at all was tied to this offense being good.
43:51And now that this offense isn't good, you can feel free to let him go is Quinton Johnston.
43:56Other than Quinton Johnston, you have to hold, you cannot sell low on a Rondé Gaston.
44:01You cannot sell low on Justin Herbert. You can't get anything for these guys.
44:05You can't get anything for Ladd McConkie at this point.
44:08You can't get anything for Trey Harris, but he had an opportunity and then hamstring injury.
44:13And now he's out for week six. This is just the story of the chargers.
44:17They can't get out of their own way, run blocking, which makes no sense, but their interior line is the worst in the league.
44:25And Hampton has no room to operate. One guy on this team that can actually do anything right now is Keaton Mitchell.
44:31He's the only one that you can put in situations where you get him out in the flat and he can make
44:38a guy miss and he can actually get positive yards and do cool, fun things.
44:43That's about it. And then we saw a little come on even all doing it randomly, but it's mostly on a down to down basis.
44:50When I think about plays, I would call if I were running this offense, it would be a swing pass to Keaton Mitchell.
44:57That works. Other than that, nothing is working. That's the literally the only place working for the chargers.
45:03You cannot sell any chargers. Please, by all means hold Hampton.
45:06And if you're rebuilding, he's a buy. He is a first round running back with an all purpose skillset.
45:12You put that profile up there on the screen and you will be dazzled.
45:16He has a dazzling, super impressive profile, athleticism, production, everything, everything you would want.
45:20He is comparable and it's a close comp to Brees Hall.
45:24He's like a bitter, he's a bigger, better version of Brees Hall.
45:27That is what he is in a vacuum. That is the best way to describe him.
45:32So yes, you are absolutely trying to trade for him, trying to get him selling low is not an option.
45:38If anyone, I want to see trades. If anyone has sold low, has sold Marin Hampton, has put Marin Hampton on the
45:45block and then a trade and traded him away in the last two, three weeks, put that in the chat.
45:51We want to see it. So let's just circle back to this, just Justin Lawrence trade that you pulled off.
45:57You're happy with it. You're happy with the, with what you, with what you did there.
46:02Absolutely. And I actually checked in with the trade partner, uh, just this last week during that London game, cause he is
46:08a Jaguars fan and he did win the championship last year.
46:12He doesn't have any sellers remorse, buyers remorse. He's very happy about his side.
46:16He's trying to run back to back and I feel very fortified with what I'm getting.
46:21I'm really set up very well. And I have just such excellent cornerstone assets where right now it's very stripped down in
46:28my total max points for is looking like I'm going to get the one-on-one for Jeremiah Smith, but yes, I'm going to be quick turnaround.
46:35It's just a matter of, I got a free look at my team and all those older assets where it's the Mike
46:42Evans, the Barkley's the DJ Morris, George Kittles had to find a way to get out.
46:47It just wasn't going to run its course. I would feel really bad right now, right about this time, if I was
46:53a middling team with all those players. So got to get out at the right time.
46:58I should say Jamie Parag is in the chat thanking us for his zero Quinton Johnston shares.
47:03And there's another one. Okay. Bo Nix, no shares of Bo Nix.
47:07Also no shares of Quinton Johnston. He was one of those guys that just immediately got thrown into trades when I would
47:14take over an orphan, just immediately throw in Quinton Johnston, get him out of here, whatever, whatever you want to give me for him.
47:21Here's a little something to help balance a trade out.
47:24Quinton Johnston, whatever. Here you go. That's fine. Here's the problem with Trevor Lawrence, not super mobile, not a guy that's going
47:31to win fantasy championships with his mobility. No one calls Trevor Lawrence a Konami QB.
47:35He's more similar to what you're getting from a Bo Nix or a Justin Herbert, a guy that can run for two,
47:42300 yards and some, some years, maybe five rushing touchdowns.
47:45So he'll have those, those, those years. Justin Herbert has a Jacksonville Jaguars problem.
47:49His defense is too damn good. And his offensive line is too damn good.
47:53Just, just ask Tyler Shuck, ask Tyler Shuck, how the sausage is made blowing past 20 fantasy points week in, week out.
48:00It's your, your offensive line has to be in a position where it can't run block.
48:05And then you have to have some good receivers and your defense needs to be porous, especially in the back half.
48:11So if your secondary can't cover anybody and you can't run the ball that is, and you have a big arm and
48:18some weapons, some downfield weapons, you're going straight to 20 fantasy points per game.
48:22That's what's going to happen. And a guy like Trevor Lawrence can never compete with that because he's going to be in
48:29a lot of these games where they're up 20 to three and it's the basial, it's the basial toot and show.
48:35So I look up on a service like keep trade cut Trevor Lawrence, because of the resume, he was the one-on-one is
48:42such a bias, such a first round pick and especially a one-on-one pick bias.
48:46When you crowdsource data, it's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for the public, how biased they are in favor of the one-on-one again, Bryce
48:53young is the best example of this. How quickly they would just want to course correct on Bryce young.
48:59Oh, he's elite. Right. Trevor Lawrence is, I mean, a top option in those crowdsourced ranking services in dynasty, but on a
49:05weekly basis, he has a very difficult time meeting those expectations because of the team he's on.
49:10It is not a team that's built to score fantasy points.
49:14That team is perfectly designed for one player and one player only to score fantasy points.
49:19And that is basial tootin even Parker Washington. And you don't want to hear this, but even Parker Washington is going to have low volume weeks.
49:27And you look at his targets week in week out.
49:30He's it's not like he's leading the league in targets or air yards or anything like that.
49:35Parker Washington is just that good. And that efficient.
49:37He's taken a slant to the, to the house.
49:40That's how Parker Washington, that's how he rolls. That's how he produces.
49:44He's an efficiency monster. It's not doing it with volume, man.
49:47So a guy like Parker Washington, he'll never be able to compete with Chris Olave in terms of total fantasy points in
49:54a season in the next three or four years.
49:57Chris Olave also, another one of those players. Remember we were stacking shucking Olave a lot.
50:01Yeah, that's fine. That was, that was another, that was another receiver.
50:05Hey, to your point about the Jaguars. So over under last two weeks, last week it was 43 and a half this
50:12week to your point 42 and a half. There's a limitation to the ceiling.
50:16When teams face the Jaguars, they get snuffed out.
50:19It's the same problem that Kyler Murray has like Kyler Murray had to go make plays and put his, put his health
50:25at risk as well with the Cardinals because they had no choice.
50:29They had to score points. Now he can be the good guy.
50:33He can be the new guy that he created this new persona that he created professional Kyler Murray, and just take care
50:39of the football, not make mistakes, manage the game post 15 fantasy points a game and post like a 13 and four record.
50:46And that's what Trevor Lawrence is not being asked to win a lot of games.
50:51So if I said, what's the most talented duo Lawrence and Parker or shock and Olave it's hands down Lawrence and Parker,
50:57Parker, Washington is like one of the most talented receivers in the league.
51:01I also think that because he works out so fanatically, he's also one of the least injury prone since that injury he
51:08had in college that cost him the pre-draft process.
51:11And there's the reason he is ultra durable, does not get some of those ticky tack injuries that so many of these
51:18receivers often are hit with like, like a hip pointer, you know, a mild hamstring strain, calf strain, ankle foot, these receivers, they're sports cars.
51:25They get taken out on the weekends and they get these little nicks and knocks.
51:30Not so Parker Washington built like a running back.
51:32So that's another reason why I love him in dynasty.
51:35And of course you want that guy in dynasty, but in terms of like this year, who's going to accrue value, there
51:42isn't a better offensive environment for scoring fantasy points that we're seeing in new Orleans with that passing game, very similar to what we're seeing in green Bay.
51:51It's just that green Bay is so cartoonishly bad with their offensive line that it does actually impact Jordan love in some games.
51:58Like you saw it impacted shock last week because they went against the best defense.
52:02Like what is, what is shaping up to be potentially an ultra elite defense in the Vikings, but most weeks the saints can figure it out.
52:10They can figure out how to turn it on in the second half and shut goes for three 50 and three touchdowns and two interceptions.
52:18That's the shock experience. That's the Jordan love experience.
52:20More often than not, those two guys are going to outscore Trevor Lawrence.
52:24So you getting out now before we get to say week 12, week 13, and your league mates realize, Oh, Trevor Lawrence
52:31is just kind of like Tom Brady with Troy Brown.
52:34They're, they're winning games with their defense and their running game.
52:37Like it's, it's all about blunt. It's not, or tootin it's not really about Trevor Lawrence this year, but we're fortunately though, Parker Washington, so damn efficient.
52:45He's virtually unaffected by this. There are going to be some weeks where you're not going to get much out of Parker
52:52Washington, just because there's no incentive for them to throw the ball at all.
52:56Most weeks though, he's going to eat the biggest loser by far, by the way, in this whole scenario, the guys that
53:03get the most damaged when they find themselves in these elite offenses that have no incentive to ever pass the ball.
53:09It's the wide receiver twos and wide receiver threes.
53:12Like you used to be able to set your watch by Jacoby Myers and getting 10 fantasy points.
53:18You can't do that anymore. Jacoby Myers is he's a coin flip.
53:21He's even going to be fantasy usable week in, week out.
53:25Brian Thomas is a zero, a literal zero. Brian Thomas is getting three targets in a game and he's dropping the one
53:31that was, would have been a touchdown that would have helped me against my daughter, which I don't want to talk about anymore.
53:38It's talking about on top 10 takeaways. You pick the exact right quarterback in terms of current situation and public perception to
53:45put on the block and bank those picks. Bravo.
53:48Justin's really doing this. I can't believe he's doing this.
53:51He's, he's intentionally doing this to me and he has to understand that I'm smiling so much him trolling me like this
53:57makes me so happy, but here's another trade. I rejected.
54:00This is supposed to be trades. We've done to kind of show our strategy and tactics to the world.
54:06And maybe you want to emulate it. Maybe you don't, but here's what we're doing instead.
54:11It's like, these are all trades that I rejected because I was annoyed.
54:15And here's another one where someone tried to trade me tank, Bigsby Puka Nakua.
54:19Hey, good player. Thank you. And Damon Claiborne. Fine.
54:22I like Damon Claiborne. I like him as a throw in wants me to give up just Jeremiah love.
54:28No big deal. And Parker Washington. This is not a trade I would ever do.
54:32However, this is sure as hell less offensive than some of these other Parker Washington trades I've gotten.
54:38It is comical how some fantasy gamers, especially in dynasty leagues, finally come to Jesus on these players.
54:43And they think that there's enough time. Like I think the buy window, maybe it's still open.
54:48Maybe I can still get this guy. Maybe if I dangle a super high brand equity player, he'll bite.
54:54And I'm like, no auto reject, auto reject Parker Washington from a talent profile.
54:58Isn't that far away from Puka Nakua. In fact, in two years, we'll be thinking of Parker Washington as the next Puka Nakua.
55:05It's already happening. And you want me to give up Jeremiah love.
55:09I wouldn't even sell low on a Marion Hampton.
55:12You think I'm going to sell lower Jeremiah love right now?
55:15Are you insane? You think I'm going to get Jeremiah love for me right now after two fantasy points?
55:21Like it's offensive. Like you think I'm a moron think about here's dumping Jeremiah love what?
55:26And I wasn't even offended by this. This is, I, this is a rule of thumb.
55:30If you want to be a good trade partner, someone that I'm not going to dismiss and laugh at as someone that's
55:37just trying to pawn off Tyrod Taylor or Cooper rush.
55:40When I give me Cooper rush for, and try to get a fourth rounder, right for Cooper rush.
55:46And you're trying to do that shit to me.
55:48No, like that is, that is where I draw the line.
55:52That is where I actually will, will bubble up with anger here though.
55:56No, because at least he had to courtesy the professionalism to offer me the best player in the deal.
56:01At least Puka was involved. You want to put Puka, you want to put an elite, an uber elite prospect player in the deal on my side.
56:10I respect you. You want to go load up the other side and make it ridiculous.
56:14Fine. But at least I had the choice of potentially getting the best player in the deal.
56:20And I respect that. It's a lot better than people who, Hey, give something to get something.
56:25And they have none of that. And there's two things with trades need to give something to get something.
56:30And you have to look at the depth of the other team.
56:34How does it make sense for them? And if you can think that way, you will get more deals done other than
56:41the slapdick offers that you just spam out. You have way more success by just generating that friction point to your trade partner.
56:48Think like you would be in their shoes, offer them something that they would want at the same time, get something that you want.
56:55It's not difficult, but it does take an ounce of attention.
56:58Thank you, coach. Well said there has to be a trade involving Parker Washington.
57:03And that I rejected that illustrates what we're talking about.
57:06Don't we have a slapdick Parker, Washington trade somewhere in the basket?
57:09Here we go. Here we go. Look at Justin, Justin.
57:12He's so on it. He's just there. Bang, bang slapdick offer right here.
57:16Look at this slapdick. Look at this sending me Keenan Allen, Lad McConkie in a 2027 fourth rounder.
57:22Not, not a third, not a second. No, no, not a second.
57:25No, no, no, not, not even a third. No, no, a fourth, a fourth rounder for guess who?
57:31Kamani Vidal and Parker Washington. Okay. I don't remember who offered this to me, but shame on them.
57:36And this is the quintessential slapdick. Where have you been all year?
57:40Are you just assuming that I'm a moron? I mean, that, that, that's the reason it's offensive, by the way, why do you get offended?
57:48It's dynasty. People are competing. They're trying to buy low.
57:51Yeah, I know. But the reason I'm offended is because when you get a deal like this in your inbox, you assume
57:57that there was some empathy by your league mate.
58:00There was some effort as coach laid out to put themselves in your shoes and try to understand how you might value
58:07players and what you might like in a deal.
58:09Let's not waste each other's time. And so if that is the case, then definitionally, if you think I would accept this, then you think I'm a moron.
58:18Like what is happening? Who is this? Why do they think that this is a good use of any of our time?
58:25Lad McDonkey. Now I will say Lad McConkie is not the stronghold that a Marion Hampton is.
58:30A Marion Hampton is a stronghold. Don't even think about selling him.
58:33Trey McBride is a hold, obviously. I don't know why I said Trey McBride.
58:38Trey Harris. Yeah. Very much a hold. Trey Harris is a good football player and he will have an opportunity again.
58:44This could be a Roshan Johnson situation where every time he gets an opportunity, he gets hurt, but hopefully it's not.
58:50This is a, this is a good football player and he's better than the wide receiver version of Roshan Johnson.
58:56I can promise you that. Okay. Do not sell low on Trey Harris.
59:00You can't get anything for him anyway. Do not sell low on a Rondé gas and you can't get anything for him anyway.
59:07Don't sell low on Justin Herbert. Don't sell low on a Marion Hampton.
59:11I am holding Lad McConkie, but you could pry him away from me.
59:15If you assigned any value to him that was even close to what he was three or four weeks ago, I'd be interested.
59:22What if I gave you Jalen Waddle? Oh no.
59:25Why did you have to do that? That's a great, if you were doing one for one, just analog trades.
59:31Sure. I guess I'll take it. I'll take Waddle.
59:34Waddle has a better resume than McConkie. Waddle has a breakout season with air yards and a breakout season with yak.
59:40Very few receivers have ever done that. So he has demonstrated skills that McConkie has not demonstrated.
59:45And they're both in the two signature dysfunctional offenses.
59:48One is performatively dysfunctional in Denver with all the yelling and the blaming.
59:52And the other one is just straight up, obviously on its face, dysfunctional at every turn with an offensive coordinator who is
59:59an absolute fraud and somehow wears glasses like this on the sideline and people don't think that he's a moron.
60:05They're like, oh, that's cool. Oh yeah. Oh, South beach.
60:08Oh yeah. Yeah. No, he's hip. Oh, he's one of the young guys.
60:12Yeah. He uses AI. Yeah. Oh, he understands AI.
60:14Yeah. He must know what he's doing. Yeah. He's got tight pants.
60:18He's wearing these, you know, these, what would you call this?
60:21Amber sunglasses, right? These oversized amber sunglasses. He must be, he must be smart.
60:26No, total fraud. Cody did a trade. Cody Carpenter is in the chat.
60:29If we're talking dynasty, Cody's around. Cody's going to find his way into the show or the chat somehow, some way he
60:36sent Jalen Warren for a 20, 27 second and a 20, 27 third.
60:40And he's rebuilding. I would try to get more.
60:43This is one of those scenarios where I understand you don't want the season to expire with Jalen Warren still on your team.
60:50If you're rebuilding that feels suboptimal considering the guy is well past the AJ packs.
60:54He's multiple years past the AJ packs, but he's also a lightly used race car.
60:59So I am conflicted. And in fact, we should put another trade, a trade that actually, I think is complimentary to this trade.
61:06And just in terms of the analysis around it is a trade, Justin, if you can find it, a trade that I
61:13did that involved Terry McLaurin was Terry McLaurin, Braylon Allen, Will Shipley, Keon Coleman.
61:17This was a trade offer that I received and that you and I talked about because I was very close to accepting this.
61:24I was very, very close. I receive Rashid Jhaid, Torrey Horton, Jalen Knoll, Adam Randall, Eli Heidenreich.
61:29In other words, just the ultimate roster clogging bag of mid-level assets to even be kind, to be kind, right?
61:35We're talking about wide receiver threes or wide receiver twos on run first offenses, running backs that are not active on game day.
61:42And I get a 20, 27 first rounder, okay?
61:4520, 27 first rounder for the best team in the league.
61:48So this is the, projects to be the one 12.
61:51I give up Terry McLaurin, Braylon Allen, Will Shipley, Keon Coleman, and my 20, 27 second, which is going to be early.
61:58On paper, this feels like a smash. I want the 20, 27 first so bad.
62:02I don't want the season to expire with Terry McLaurin still on my roster.
62:06But this turns out to be just a, you know, a trade-up.
62:10This is not a real 20, 27 first. This is just a trade-up.
62:14I have an early 20, 27 second. We're talking about five slots at most, five, six slots that I'm trading up and I'm giving up Braylon Allen.
62:22I wouldn't even be as concerned about doing this trade.
62:25In fact, I probably would have done it if it were just Tara McLaurin.
62:30But trying to sneak Braylon Allen, not going to happen.
62:33You're not going to sneak Braylon Allen past me.
62:35And when you go to our dynasty rankings on player profiler, you can see, oh, wow, look where they have Braylon Allen.
62:42I would have to say with high degree of certainty, we are the only dynasty ranking service in existence that has Braylon
62:49Allen in the top 25 running backs. So no, I'm not doing it.
62:53Braylon Allen is worth a 20, 27 second by himself at this point.
62:57He is earning a job in the league in a major way.
63:00You know how hard it is to get it, to earn a 100% snap share on any team in the NFL at any time.
63:07It's crazy. He's doing great. When I look at this deal and we talked about it, you want to come off that second.
63:14For you, you mentioned Braylon Allen, which is fair, especially after what happened last week.
63:19But you want to come off that second round pick.
63:22That's the part where I thought, and you mentioned it earlier, just a few moments ago, sliding back just a handful of
63:29picks is not worth it with that whole entirety of the package.
63:32So I would want to come off of that second round pick, push it over to a third.
63:38I was here strategizing with Justin, how we're going to get through all these trades.
63:42It's going to be challenging. We have a lot more to go and we're already well over an hour in, and we have yet more trades from Cody.
63:51He sent Derek Henry for a 20, 27 first and third.
63:54Yeah. Fair market value. That's perfect. You get a free look at your team.
63:58And clearly Cody just mentioned it's a rebuild. So you're not going to get much more than a first at this point.
64:05So good on you. And you get the immediacy.
64:08You didn't get a 28 first. You got the 27.
64:11It's going to be liquid and you love to see it.
64:14So if that's a backend one, still even great.
64:17Hey, maybe it's Cam Coleman. Maybe it's a Dante Moore, Charlie Becker.
64:21So good on you, Cody. You got to do it.
64:24Good, good trade. Good trade. Cody, the Jalen Warren one though.
64:27See, we have Jalen Warren and Derek Henry one tier away, right?
64:31I would still much rather have Derek Henry, but it's getting closer.
64:34Jalen Warren has been awesome. Like what Jalen Warren is doing this year is not something that any cardboard cutout running back can do just given opportunities.
64:42But can you get a first for Jalen Warren?
64:45I just don't think you can get up there.
64:48I would almost say that second round pick and maybe add somebody, if you believe in him, a Jalen Waddle.
64:54Do you enter Lab McConkie territory? At what point is more enough if you're selling Jalen Warren?
64:59This is why we're here. These exact topics people need to understand.
65:03That's what they want from us, coach. When I get emails from people, this is the type of conversation they want, they need.
65:10How do I get a deal done and not feel like I'm overpaying?
65:14In the case of Cody with the Jalen Warren deal, I think he's on the wrong side of it.
65:19On principle, just like I wouldn't deal McLaurin because McLaurin is not Chris Godwin, right?
65:24You have these players like DJ Moore that are on the Chris Godwin career arc where they've had so many lower body
65:31injuries and they're not the same player. They're not as explosive.
65:34They can put it together for a week here, a week there.
65:38They're in great volume situations, but they're pretty much dust.
65:41If we're really being honest, what's the difference between DJ Moore and Chris Godwin?
65:45I mean, they are in similar tiers on our dynasty rankings.
65:48I can tell you that. I know that DJ Moore is much higher in most services, especially the crowdsourced ranking services, but I don't see much difference.
65:56I mean, these are very similar players, similar ages with similar injury track records and a lack of explosiveness.
66:02McLaurin, not that. McLaurin has years ahead of him.
66:05He hasn't shown any signs of slowing down. Same with Jalen Warren.
66:09Jalen Warren is young for his age is what I would argue.
66:12So with a Jalen Warren, with a guy like Terry McLaurin, we call it, there's a reason we have the Terry McLaurin corollary.
66:19It is the Terry McLaurin corollary that players that have been largely healthy and efficient throughout their twenties can play well into their thirties.
66:26Jalen Warren just now, just today or around today turned 28 years old.
66:30So we could have age 28 season next year.
66:33So it'll still be 28 start the season. And then an age 29 season in 2028, no reason to deal him.
66:39You should not trade a player like Jalen Warren.
66:42Like he's burning a hole in your pocket. Don't do it.
66:45But what if this is a rebuilder and with what quarterback next year, if Aaron Rogers is out and it's dump off
66:52city and it just works, just everything is aligned perfectly for Jalen Warren.
66:56And I imagine, you know, Cody can let us know in the comments.
67:00I imagine Cody is trying to time the market in this sense.
67:04Speaker 2 Doubles out. I understand it. I totally understand the logic behind it.
67:08The way to do that deal is to get something else back.
67:12You've got to figure out a way to get something else back.
67:15You're not going to get a first rounder. You want to trade him, but you can't make it a fire sale.
67:22You've got to get an Emmett Johnson back. You got to get a Jonah Coleman back.
67:26You got to get even Mike Washington. You got to get someone like that back or a wide receiver.
67:32There's plenty of wide receivers you could get back in that situation.
67:36If a person really needed a running back, you could get a buy low receiver.
67:40You get a good Josh Downs, right? Josh Downs, Devon Vele.
67:44Like you're not going to get a wide receiver that has explosive plays early in his career, like a Denzel Boston.
67:50No, you're not going to get a young, exciting player.
67:53That's not going to happen. You're not even going to get a younger hurt player.
67:58Like ideally you could somehow get like a Jordan Tyson.
68:01Like that's the number one target. If you're rebuilding and you're trading with a win now team and somehow, some way they have Jordan Tyson.
68:08It's just not common, but sometimes yes, you can get a Jordan Tyson from those, those dynasty managers.
68:14You could even target like a reclamation project. You could even target like a Brian Thomas or Jordan Addison, or one of
68:20these rookies that's yet to break out, but things are about to click into place for them.
68:26Chris Bell, Antonio Williams. And my favorite of all, my favorite of all, what would have made this trade a smash to
68:32me, an absolute smash, not only because I would love it so much, but because it's very doable.
68:38It's like, it's the perfect player to tack onto a deal like that.
68:42Like, okay, 20, 27 second and a third and wide receiver X, the wide receiver X that you can get from a win now team.
68:49If you're rebuilding right now, the player to get right now.
68:53And Cody and I have talked about him and I'm sure this player wasn't on the roster that he was negotiating with,
68:59but one of these guys we've listed is add nine Mitchell get somebody on the other side to balance this deal out
69:06because a second and a third for Warren is just not enough.
69:10And whoever you're dealing with wants Warren because Warren has been awesome this year and it has been super efficient, super productive.
69:16He's even underperformed his expected fantasy points. Even though he's putting up like 20 fantasy points a game, he should be scoring more.
69:23He's like a discount version of Jameer Gibbs this year.
69:26If you've been watching the Steelers, that's what he looks like.
69:30It's, it's been amazing. He looks amazing. I'm sure the person who's trying to trade for him knows this, sees this and
69:36would happily throw in one, like an Emmett Johnson, Nicholas Singleton, but the player I want thrown in there, Jacoby Lane.
69:43That is the center of the Venn diagram. Smart.
69:45Is if it Cody, if you could have just got Jacoby lane in addition, we would, we would have been victory lapping
69:52that we would have been shoving that in fantasy receipts face three years from now.
69:57He's like, eat this. No fantasy receipts apparently is victory lapping four week breakouts.
70:01Cool. Didn't see that coming. Really? I didn't. It's a weakness.
70:04I think it, I think all the press has maybe gotten to fantasy receipts under a little more pressure to like be
70:11provocative, go after the pod father after five weeks of max volume, Matthew golden.
70:15Okay, cool. One more from Cody. One more from Cody.
70:18We just want to reinforce that, Hey, you want to bring trades into the chat.
70:23We'll talk about them. That's what we do here on trade gods laid out.
70:27So look, it's non-premium tight end. I'm assuming Laporta Hubbard and a third for 27 first.
70:32So again, rebuild on Cody's end, and it's going to hurt to send away Hubbard.
70:36You like to take what he's doing right now and benefit, but if you're not benefiting on a winning team, you have to offload.
70:44And you said non-premium. So Laporta, it's easy to make up that ground at the tight end position and a third just to get to the 27 first.
70:52I love it, Cody. So great options here on the rebuilding side.
70:56And this is what's fun about, you know, all off season.
70:59We don't have these moving parts like we do.
71:02So as we're entering week six, we have all these moving parts and you can take such advantage.
71:07All these players that we've talked about who are low or who are high, we've reshuffled the deck.
71:13In three, four months ago, you would have thought it was crazy.
71:16The way we are talking about Jalen Warren right now, they even enter the discussion for a one.
71:22So this is just the incredible on the fly.
71:25Some of the best dynasty gamers will be Carpentier.
71:27Sharp. Just for the record, Cody is in first place in a number of leagues.
71:32We're in several leagues together. You and I need to be more leagues together, by the way.
71:37I'm in so many leagues with Cody. He's crushing.
71:40He's either in last or first, which is what you want, right?
71:43It's Talladega Knights, right? Cody is Talladega. Wish we could get that to stick.
71:48Talladega, Talladega Carpentier. Cody Sharp and Tear. That's right.
71:50Talladega. Talladega Cody, man. Talladega Cody. If we ain't first, we last.
71:54That's Cody right there. I mean, he is very good at finishing last in these kinds of situations because he is really
72:01bailing on Sam Laporta at a high point. And I understand it.
72:04Sam Laporta is now the tight end five in dynasty.
72:07I think that's beyond dispute. We have met tight end five on player profiler.
72:12There is an argument for likely. I don't agree with that argument.
72:15There's an argument for a few players. Maybe you could argue Sadiq, the super sicko draft capital zealots might say it's Sadiq.
72:22But for us, you look at draft capital, you look at production, you look at everything.
72:27Laporta has been great. I am not concerned that trading Chuba Hubbard now will blow back at me.
72:32I'm not. I'm very comfortable trading Chuba Hubbard. Nobody thinks that Chuba Hubbard is like this elite asset and oh my God,
72:39what might happen if you trade him? No, this is absolutely a sell high situation on Chuba Hubbard.
72:44No doubt about it. I just don't like the Laporta thing.
72:48I think that sometimes, and I find myself falling into this trap.
72:51If it's non tight end premium, I just treat tight ends like they don't matter.
72:56They're confetti. And that's true down the board. Okay.
72:59If we're talking about, I would say at best case of a player that really who's elite, but he's to the point
73:05where you could trade him in non tight end premium and it really wouldn't hurt you would be a George Kittle.
73:12You traded George Kittle and I agree with trading George Kittle right now.
73:15George Kittle has precious few years left and he has a Chris Godwin problem and that he's had several lower body injuries
73:22and that is going to affect his explosiveness sooner rather than later.
73:26Right? So what do we, what do we call it?
73:29The anti-Terra McLaurin corollary, whatever that is, it's going to affect Kittle soon.
73:33So if it were someone like Kittle, if it were Ferguson, if it were even, I would say Sadiq, I would be comfortable.
73:40It's, it's tough when it's Laporta. Laporta is getting to a point at age 25 where he's past the back problems, putting
73:46up 15 plus fantasy points per game. He's like the tight end four and in points per game scoring this year.
73:53If it were craft, I'd be happy. If it were, you know, Harold Fannin, I'd feel better about it.
73:59I just don't want to trade that tight end in that situation now, because for his age 25 season and next year
74:05and the year after there's no change in sight.
74:08Do you think the lions are suddenly going to have a put together an elite defense in the next year or two?
74:15I don't think so. This run that the lions are on from Gibbs on down, including Laporta and Amon Ross St.
74:21Brown. It's pretty epic. It's a pretty epic fantasy situation.
74:24And so that's what hurts me in the deal.
74:27That's where I put this in the, the trade analyzer on player profiler.
74:31And Cody is losing this deal for the 2027 first.
74:34I am also assuming that his trade partner who is acquiring Chuba Hubbard.
74:38If you are packaging Laporta, who is a Laporta is actually pre apex with a, you know, like the poster child for
74:44post apex sell now running backs, which would be Chuba Hubbard.
74:48Chuba Hubbard is very different than Jalen Warren. Chuba Hubbard is very much a volume dependent running back on a team that
74:54has where the depth chart has been cleared out and he's getting there just based on matchup and game situation and the team over-performing.
75:02If you watch Jalen Warren, that's not what's happening.
75:04Jalen Warren is just the best player on the field.
75:07It's different, right? No, you don't watch the Panthers and go just Chuba Hubbard is the best player on the field.
75:14No one's ever said that people are saying that right now in Pittsburgh.
75:18Tell you that right now. It's a little bit different.
75:21It's just a little different, right? So I would much prefer to deal two post apex assets in that situation.
75:27Even if it were Tucker craft, even just not Laporta, dude, like Laporta to me be very difficult to prime away from me.
75:34I wouldn't do it because I think, I think it's over.
75:37He broke out in a huge way. He showed the world what he's capable of his ceiling as a rookie, just like Kyle Pitts did.
75:45And then we've all been asking him to follow it up, improve it, follow it up, improve.
75:50That's who you are. Or was that an anomaly?
75:53Was that you were the last man standing in a, in a heavy pass volume offense and you were all that was
75:59left and a bunch of guys fell down and you scored a bunch of touchdowns.
76:04That happens every year to some players. We, we asked him to prove that that is not the case that he is
76:10a top five tight end because he was in this exact place three years ago, coach.
76:15Yeah. When he was tight in one. Yeah. He, he was there.
76:19And then it's this circuitous route all the way back to where he started.
76:23And now he's 25 and I'm like, I'm in, I'm in.
76:27And this is dynasty. I get this guy for the next five years instead of me having to go and, and carousel
76:33this goddamn position for the next five years with the Brenton strangers and the Jake Ferguson's he's a ticket out of that hell.
76:40So to me, I need more, I need more.
76:43So basically Cody had three trades that he sent to us.
76:46One, I think was just straight up shock. We all agree rebuilding.
76:50You get a 2027 first, you give up Derrick Henry.
76:53Kabang. The other two, I wish he got more.
76:56I wish he got more. And the crazy thing is I came into this show ready to rant against the Twitter mob
77:02and the social media mob telling me I need to get more.
77:06That was the whole theme of the show. But Justin, our producer has engineered the show in such a way that those
77:13trades that I thought we were going to lead with, he has held back the trades that are the most interesting.
77:19He's decided not to put up on the screen for an hour and a half because I have also been in the
77:26situation very recently where the dynasty theory people, the people that are thinking about the theory of dynasty and what you should
77:32be getting in an optimal world, what I should be getting Justin, do you have a trade involving Lamar Jackson and Christian McCaffrey there?
77:40I need to call this particular trade out and request it to be put on the screen because I don't think you're
77:46going to do it unless I ask for it because you want to put Tyler Huntley trades up on the screen to
77:53troll me, which I appreciate very much. And I love, I love you for it, but we need this trade.
77:59Now is the time to talk about if I'm going to criticize Cody Carpentier, the great, the great Carpentier for not getting enough.
78:06I just, can't you get something thrown in to these deals?
78:09Can't we get a Jacoby lane? Can't we get an Emmett Johnson in these deals?
78:14When now teams have to draft some rookies, right?
78:17When now teams end up with Jonah Coleman and Emmett Johnson and Nick Singleton.
78:21And I mean, I don't know, Cyrus Allen might even get some, some routes this week.
78:26Somebody, somebody that has some story that you can tell as a throw in a Chris Bell, something Ted Hurst.
78:32All you need to do to satiate me with these trades, Cody, just get, give, just get, get, get an extra throwing, get a Ted Hurst.
78:40Do we have this trade that I'm talking about the, the, the great Lamar Jackson trade?
78:45Oh no, we might have to do, oh man, we might have to do Justin's trade of all trades.
78:50Let's put it up on the screen. Let's put Justin's trade up on the screen.
78:55This is a trade that Justin did. And then I'm going to go find this trade that I did, and I'm going
79:02to get it up there, but go ahead and tell Justin what you think of this trade.
79:07Justin gets Jacoby lane and Jacoby Myers, the Jacobes, the Jacoby brothers.
79:10He gives up Jalen Knoll and Jaden Higgins. Yeah.
79:13I want the Jacoby lane side stay in your lane perfectly.
79:16Jacoby Myers right now, it's not hitting, you mentioned wide receiver two, wide receiver three for the Jaguars.
79:22It's truncated a little bit. The one upside with Jalen Noel, I do like the idea of him shifting over to the slot with Marvin Harrison Jr.
79:30being traded. And that's something I'm going to watch as soon as this week.
79:34Jaden Higgins is a great dynasty buy. And actually funny enough, he's a player who you could probably get for dirt cheap,
79:41especially now in the thick of things. So I think he's actually a target, but I do like you getting Jacoby lane.
79:48People have forgotten about him. We just got an alert that he should be back very soon.
79:53So just as Lamar Jackson is coming back, there's so much fancy goodness and sharp gamers were on Jacoby lane.
79:59So I'm really glad in this timing, you were able to Justin go and get Jacoby lane and Jacoby Myers, a nice
80:06little throw in, you get utility, but the Texans receivers, I'll be interested to see how things go.
80:11But also sharp on you. It's kind of turned out to, as much as we like Jaden Higgins in real time, getting Marvin Harrison Jr.
80:19with Neekle Collins, all of a sudden seats for chairs, it's very crowded out there.
80:23So I love this deal for you. And I think you're getting the best immediate player right now in Jacoby lane.
80:29And you love to see it. How often have the Ravens struggled to get a second receiver with Lamar Jackson, or just to get a stud receiver period.
80:38That's not Mark Andrews in his prime. And now you have Zay flowers who's crushing it and Jacoby lane, who's about to come right back.
80:46I love this deal for you. So very good deal, very good trade.
80:49And I'd be interested to see the motivation for the person getting both the Texans wide receivers.
80:55I can only hope the only path out for them right now to win would be if Noel took on like a tank Dell type of slot role.
81:03What about tank Dell though? I mean, he's coming back anytime I can get you Kobe lane.
81:08I'm in, this is the new Parker Washington for me.
81:11This is one where I'm just like, listen, everyone that goes to practice says that the team absolutely loves this player.
81:18It makes no sense that you would want this player.
81:21Like it made no sense to think of any Parker Washington as having any value.
81:25He's parked behind Jacoby Myers and Brian Thomas, and they just drafted Travis Hunter.
81:30And why would they ever hand the keys of the offense over to Parker Washington, a six round pick?
81:35That just seems absurd. Brian Thomas had 1100 yards two years ago.
81:39The idea that this would be the Parker Washington show in 2026 just seems absurd.
81:43I love Zay flowers, but Jacoby lane is a fantastic player, a fantastic talent that reportedly had the best camp in the history of the Ravens.
81:51Knowing that I would rather put my chips on the guy I have conviction in.
81:56Jaden Higgins is never going to be the number one as long as Nico Collins is healthy and playing well.
82:02Nico Collins has a couple of years left of his prime.
82:05They add Marvin Harrison Jr. It's becoming incredibly crowded.
82:08The Texans are not necessarily interested in signing Stroud for the longterm.
82:12Maybe they signed him to a short-term contract, maybe a couple of years.
82:16Maybe he has to settle for something that is just not one of these $300 million contracts, which I know he desperately wanted.
82:23He and his agent, especially desperately wanted, which is why he showed up to camp as a brand new guy.
82:29And now you look up and the team is, is flailing.
82:32And even though there's games where he's playing well, he's getting the blame.
82:36And so we don't know where he's going to end up.
82:39We don't know what this offense is going to look like.
82:43If it's his name's not Nico Collins and you want to trade any member of this passing game, including Dalton Schultz, I'm fine with it.
82:50Dalton Schultz is another one of those players where you want to put Dalton Schultz in there with Chuba Hubbard, ship it, right?
82:57That's the type of tight end. I want to ship to a contending team that needs tight end production.
83:03Here you go. Here's Dalton Schultz. Go ahead. Here's Travis Kelsey.
83:06Here's George Kittle by all means, please not, not ready to do that with Sam Laporta.
83:11Now I found this deal. It was on my phone all along.
83:15It somehow was not shared with Justin. He is blameless in this.
83:18This was 100% my failure to prepare properly for the show.
83:22And so it was not intentional by Justin to only put the worst possible trades that have the least amount of tactical
83:28analysis behind them up on the screen to start the show and burn up my voice and all of our brain cells
83:35before putting the real deal, the real conversation starter, the trade that everyone that follows me on social media doesn't follow me
83:42on social media, cares about me, doesn't care about me on social media.
83:46Nobody likes this trade coach. Nobody wanted this trade, but me.
83:49And I want to defend it. I'm here with a podcast called Trade Guys to defend this trade where I receive Josh
83:56Downs, Basial Tootin, Jackson Dart, Travis Hunter, Trevor ETNHN, Taj Brooks, Mike Washington Jr., a 2027 first and a 2027 third.
84:02This is not necessarily a first place team. So this 2027 first could fall in the mix.
84:07It could potentially even be top five. This is a team that is underperforming this year and the manager is frustrated that
84:14it's underperforming and he's trying to turn it around.
84:17So I think right now this team is in say eighth place, ninth place, but it looks like a team that probably
84:23should finish fifth place or fourth place. But importantly, this is not the 112.
84:28When I talk about a 2027 first, this is not the 112, the 111, the 110.
84:32This is a top 10 pick where if things go poorly for this team, it couldn't end up being a top five pick.
84:39Okay. So that's what I received a 2027 first and a 2027 third.
84:43In addition to the players I listed, I gave up Christian McCaffrey, Lamar Jackson, David Montgomery, Terry McLaurin, Michael Pittman, Dontavian Wicks, Terry Ferguson, not calling him Terrence.
84:52If he wants to produce, if he wants to stay healthy, I'll call him Terrence for now.
84:57He's Terry really should be Terrence McLaurin. Terry McLaurin has been so good for so long.
85:02His name really should be Terrence McLaurin, but he has that great nickname, scary Terry.
85:06He's going to stick with that. I understand that.
85:09But if he wants to be called Terrence, I'm all for it.
85:13Not this Ferguson, man. Get out of here. So I'm in last.
85:16I'm very much rebuilding. I had these two aging assets that were absolutely positively burning a hole in my pocket in Christian
85:23McCaffrey and Lamar Jackson, and certainly David Montgomery, but I didn't think I was going to get anything from David Montgomery.
85:29David Montgomery has no standalone value in dynasty. Go ahead and try.
85:33Go see what you can get for David Montgomery right now.
85:36The only way you can get rid of David Montgomery or Michael Pittman is to throw them into a deal like this,
85:43where it's just, hey, I'm trying to win and anything you give me that I think I can plug into my lineup
85:50at some point this season, I'll take it because I've got a bunch of junk on my bench and I'll just assume you take it.
85:57So I'll take all your junk, all your misfit toys, Taj Brooks, Travis Hunter.
86:02Talk about a misfit toy. That is the ultimate toy.
86:05That is a misfit toy now in fantasy, right?
86:07He has the DB next to his position officially.
86:10I knew this was your deal when you sent away Michael Pittman.
86:14I knew because you sent this to me. I didn't know who was getting what.
86:18As soon as I saw the other side with Pittman, I knew that was the side that you were selling.
86:24So bravo on that. This person is front running McCaffrey Jackson and thinking that they're doing highway robbery, but little do they
86:31know you're getting Jackson Dart, which this is phenomenal for you.
86:34Hazel Tootin. I like the first round pick. These are good options.
86:38Mike Washington could really develop into something. You're getting a little bit more than people realize, than meets the eye, and look at what's happened to David Montgomery.
86:46Of course, we spoke on Michael Pittman Jr., Dontavian Wicks, nothing crazy, and Ferguson.
86:51We can't even give him the full bit of his name because he has not produced yet.
86:56So yeah, I like this deal to a degree for you.
86:59In fairness, in fairness, okay, to my league mate, this was pre-Michael Pittman foot injury that sent him to IR, pre-Terry McLaurin
87:06injury, pre-injury to David Montgomery that caused him to leave week five.
87:09Yeah. The only players that were hurt when I did this deal, actually, Terrence Ferguson and Lamar Jackson.
87:15Now I know they're all hurt, except McCaffrey, ironically.
87:18They're all hurt now, which is why you need to deal them.
87:21I'm not telling Cody, don't do deals. I'm not telling Cody, don't get full value for Chuba Hubbard.
87:27You absolutely need to get out of Chuba Hubbard because Chuba Hubbard gets hurt.
87:31He's worthless. Their value vanishes like that. It was like a two-week period where David Montgomery's value went from something to nothing.
87:38Michael Pittman went from something to nothing. Tara McLaurin has been as healthy as any wide receiver in football the last 10
87:44years, misses one game, and suddenly he can't move him.
87:47That is the danger. That's why when a trade like this comes along, you need to make sure you get it done.
87:54I want to thank my trade partner. I don't remember who it was.
87:58He was with me step for step as we escalated this deal because as it was originally composed, it was never going to happen.
88:05What I started doing was what I requested Cody do, would you start adding, throw in pieces, adding pieces.
88:11I was like, well, I do think that if I'm going to be doing this trade, I need to at least get Josh Downs.
88:18And I need to at least get Mike Washington.
88:21And I can't just get a first. I got to get an additional pick.
88:25And we sort of stepped it up. And what if I add Wicks?
88:29What if I add Pittman? What if I add Ferguson?
88:32Ferguson was, I think, an underrated piece of this deal because he's young and he has potential.
88:37So I'm not just dumping all my old players.
88:40I'm saying, hey, here's a bunch of old players that was, wow.
88:44That was the Freudian slip of all time on the show.
88:47Here's some old players that can help you. Like I'm trying to say it with a straight face.
88:53Here's some old players that can help you. And then by the way, I have these exciting upside plays in Dontabian Wicks and Terrence Ferguson.
89:00You can have them too. It feels too one-sided if you're just getting all the old guys in a deal.
89:06But if somehow your league mate, your trade partner can just sprinkle in some upside, some young upside.
89:12It feels so much better. It really greases the wheels.
89:15I feel like it's such a non-factor in the grand scale of this trade.
89:19But Ferguson, I think, mattered. Including Ferguson mattered. And I remember not wanting to give him up.
89:24Being like, well, I'm a rebuilder. Doesn't a rebuilder want Terrence Ferguson?
89:28The answer is yes, but I also need to get a deal done.
89:32And the one player that every rebuilder needs to be going after aggressively is, of course, Jackson Dart.
89:37Jackson Dart is the perfect player. He's not going to score any points for you.
89:42He's going to help you get Jeremiah Smith. Then he's going to come roaring back, having an early season injury.
89:48He's going to be 100% for camp, 100% to start the season.
89:51He produced big numbers in a Konami role for two straight seasons.
89:55Small sample in 2025. Small sample again in 2026.
89:58You put those small samples together, you get almost a full season.
90:01And whether you go back to Matthew Stafford or number of players back through time, the best example Cody brought up was amazing.
90:08Drew Brees. There have been young quarterbacks, premium quarterbacks that have been injured and some you thought their career was over.
90:15Nick Saban thought Drew Brees was not going to be able to play again, or he would have drafted him when he was in Miami.
90:22In fact, that's his signature mistake. If you ask Nick Saban, hey, what happened your NFL career, Nick?
90:28He's like, I should have drafted Drew Brees, right?
90:31Instead, they went and signed Dante Culpepper and it went to hell.
90:34So point is these quarterbacks, if they have the talent, they're going to figure out a way they're going to Matthew Stafford
90:41had a clavicle fracture every year during his time in Detroit, it felt like early in his career.
90:46And he made it through. He became Matthew Stafford.
90:49Jackson Dart. I have 100% confidence. This injury will not impede his progress at all.
90:54He's going to come back to a healthy Malik Neighbors, who's now well more than a year removed from his knee surgery.
91:00Isaiah Likely is breaking out all over the place.
91:03They're going to add another receiver. They have Malachi Fields, maybe we'll develop into a big slot, but they are going to
91:10add yet another receiver in the draft. They have Cam Scadaboo out of the backfield.
91:14They're going to bolster the offensive line. This is going to be a team that I think sharp people are very bullish
91:21on in 2027 than New York Giants. And if you were able to buy low on Malik Neighbors, good for you.
91:27I couldn't do it. I tried. I couldn't do it.
91:30But as you can see up on the board, there's a little check mark next to accepted.
91:35I was able and with a rebuilding team to get my hands on one Jackson Dart.
91:40And that's not easy to do, but he's out there.
91:43He's out there. Teams have him like when now teams have him.
91:47I mean, it's so exploitable. I mean, I did this.
91:50I went through every single league and I tried to find every team that had Jackson Dart.
91:55And if it was a win now team, I immediately submitted an offer.
91:59I don't remember how this offer came to be.
92:02It might've been, that might've been the Genesis where I was like, I see Basial Tootin's usage going up.
92:08And I know this is a run first team and Basial Tootin's only going to get better and better and better.
92:14And you can see where he's, where he's headed in the, in our dynasty rankings.
92:18If I told you Basial Tootin has passed Quinshawn Judkins, would you think that's crazy?
92:23Not as it sits right now. Not as it sits right now at the beginning of the season.
92:29Yeah. That did. That would have been pretty dumb, right?
92:32No one would have ever thought that would be possible.
92:35The absolute worst case scenario for Judkins, which is what we've seen.
92:38He's been healthy and super unproductive, not a hundred percent his fault, but it's just what's happened.
92:43And Basial Tootin has found his way into the absolute dream scenario for a running back where you have an elite defense
92:50and elite offensive line and you have sub four, four wheels.
92:53It is the best possible scenario. They're going to feed you like a grinder and you're going to be able to bust long runs for touchdowns.
93:01In addition to the other touchdowns, you're going to get just by way of being inside the five all the time.
93:08It's an incredible situation. So yes, I'm very bullish on Basial Tootin.
93:11It's surprising. There was a Basial Tootin hive all summer, all spring, going all the way back to start of the dynasty off season.
93:19There was a Basial Tootin hive, but as the season played out and he clearly has found himself in a situation where
93:25his opportunity share exceeded anyone's wildest imagination, we seem to have beat the public in terms of pushing out ahead on Basial
93:32Tootin because we're like, we have the data now.
93:35We just needed a few weeks of data. The data is clear.
93:38This arrow is going up for Tootin on the opportunity share and it's all gonna, who cares whether he's scoring any fantasy points now?
93:46It's all future value. It's all happening. Get excited.
93:48I thought you all were a hive. I thought there was this Basial Tootin hive and then I haven't seen the pop.
93:55Let us know in the chat. Maybe there's some deals that can illustrate proper value on Basial Tootin, but I mean, this
94:02is the signature high running back of the season is Basial Tootin where I am paying the iron price for this guy.
94:08And you can see what I did. You can see what I did.
94:12You don't think I could pay the iron price?
94:15How about Lamar Jackson and Christian McCaffrey? And this trade happened a couple of weeks ago, but the trend was clear a
94:22couple of weeks ago where Basial Tootin was headed.
94:24And every week he just keeps increasing that opportunity share.
94:27So I was trying to get him trying to get dark.
94:31I'm always and forever will be a sucker for Josh Downs and his target share.
94:35And can you imagine my delight when I pull up this team and it has all these players and it has a 20, 27 first.
94:43And I'm like, oh my God, this is like a trade partner out of a dream.
94:48Then I hesitated because I was like, well, the team's near me in the standings.
94:52So I was like, there's no way I can't, he's not gonna.
94:56But as it turns out, you never know. And this is why you have to make these trades.
95:01And this is the exact opposite of what we complained about at the beginning of the show where I empathized greatly with this guy.
95:09I was like, I don't think he's going to even entertain an offer from me.
95:13So I better actually balance it out to make it so that he might actually want to do it.
95:19I might want to, I want to create something where it looks like an overpay.
95:23So he'll do it because he really should be rebuilding.
95:27He really has no business doing this trade. Then as it turns out, I learned later that no, he's, he's here to win.
95:33He thinks he can make a run. And I fucking love that.
95:37I respect the hell out of that because that's how I'm wired.
95:41And I'm like, you go, you go, here's McCaffrey.
95:43Here's Lamar Jackson. Go win, dude. I'm not trying to spite him in the universe.
95:48I'm not calling upon the powers of the universe to tear his team down.
95:52I don't want McCaffrey getting hurt just because it's possible based on where he is in the standings now that I get
95:59a pick in the top half of the first round that could happen.
96:03I'm perfectly fine with him making a run, making the playoffs and making some money.
96:07I want that to happen. I want these players to find a home and for him to achieve his goals with this
96:14trade, which is to turn his team around. I wish more dynasty managers would do this, but there are precious few.
96:20There are so many that are just ready to wrap it up and move on to next year.
96:26Let's wrap it up and move on to next year.
96:29You get to week five, week six, it's like four teams that want to compete.
96:34And you wonder why you can't get deals done.
96:36So this is my response to these people on, on Twitter X.
96:40Can you come back? Because a couple weeks ago I got fleeced and some things have changed with these players, especially the
96:47players on the side that I dealt away. Many of them have been hurt since some of them it's, it's essentially over Michael Pittman's done.
96:54He's an overcooked Turkey over going to zero. You won't get a thing in trade for David Montgomery at this point.
97:01You're not going to get anything. Don't even try now.
97:04Yeah, that was a few weeks ago. Things were different, but I know this is dynasty and I know I needed to
97:10get a deal done and there was risk holding on to these old assets.
97:14And so I risked my reputation. I put this out on social media.
97:18I said, Hey guys on Twitter, what do you think of this trade?
97:22Ooh, thumbs down pod father. You overpaid. You got fleeced.
97:25A mere two weeks later, crickets, crickets. No one's criticizing this trade now, but I want what's best for these players.
97:32I want him to go. I want this guy to achieve his goals with these players.
97:37I'm not, I did not like voodoo doll David Montgomery and Michael Pittman.
97:41I just want people to know that it just worked out that way.
97:45I did have a voodoo. I did though. I did.
97:48I don't, I want them to fail. I do please.
97:51You want the one-on-one you want. It's not like I, I don't need Michael Pittman on any team to produce just as
97:57soon as he stay at zero for the rest of the year.
98:01I don't have much David Montgomery. I'm fine with him being stuck at zero for the rest of the year.
98:07In fact, in this league I have where I'm battling my daughter, which I talk about on top 10 takeaways a lot.
98:14She has David Montgomery. So I really don't want David Montgomery producing at all.
98:18Anyway, but Christian McCaffrey, come on, man. We all want Christian McCaffrey to slay.
98:22We want Lamar Jackson to come back and be Lamar Jackson.
98:25I absolutely do. But I want to salute that person at the time that person got their flowers on social media because
98:32it was a strong consensus, strong majority of the polling public said that I lost that trade and I got fleeced by that guy.
98:39So that guy got his flowers. Now he has Montgomery and he has Lamar Jackson.
98:44But I have to say after all that, I'm very happy.
98:47At the time that person got their flowers on social media because it was a strong consensus, strong majority of the polling
98:54public said that I lost that trade and I got fleeced by that guy.
98:58So that guy got his flowers. Now he has Montgomery and he has Lamar Jackson.
99:03But I have to say after all that, I'm very happy.
99:06I should have gone out on that right there.
99:09That was your, that was your chance. Yeah. I didn't feel like there was enough of a flourish and I was hoping
99:15that you would come back with something else and then I could maybe build to a bigger flourish.
99:21But I also knew there was a big risk that because you and I are so good at podcasting together that you
99:28would think that that was time to go out and that you wouldn't interrupt me.
99:32And so you were like an awesome co-host right there.
99:35And in the back of my mind, I was hoping that you would be less awesome, but unfortunately you're such a good
99:42co-host that you did exactly the thing that you should have done, which is to just give dead air and let us go out.
99:49But I, I hesitated. Well, it's like when somebody hits a home run and you just let the crowd noise happen.
99:56So that's, that's what I did. Good. Was that good?
99:59I feel like I was long-winded again. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
100:02No, no, no. We didn't go out. I just hit the end screen.
100:06Oh, we're still here. No, no, no. I, I, I, no, this is what, this is what's happening.
100:11This is a live video and we're, we're live streaming right now.
100:15And I hit the wrong button. Can I tell you what's happening right now?
100:19It's 10 30 at night. My brain is melting down.
100:22I couldn't for the life of me even find that trade on my phone.
100:26It was awful. Uh, so this is, this is the outtakes we're still streaming and now officially we need to end it.
100:33So we're going to end it right now. This is the end of the stream.
100:38We're finally ending it. I hit the wrong button.
100:40I couldn't find the show. Justin's been terrific. He's laughing.
100:43We should bring in Justin right here for the, let's bring Justin in one time.
100:48I said he was muted, but he wasn't muted.
100:51So now I'm paranoid about calling him muted when he actually isn't muted, but now luckily you're on.
100:56So you can tell if he's muted or not.
100:59And it sounds like he is muted. Maybe his headset died.
101:02That's what would happen. His headset might've died. I had myself muted.
101:06Yup. Yup. Yup. It was good. It was good.
101:09We, we had a lot of man coaches throwing heaters at the quotes today.
101:13Oh my God. Trashing data centers and bringing up high school quotes, man.
101:17It's good stuff. Coach. We love you very much.
101:20Justin did a great job today. It was my fault that I didn't give you the signature trade that I wanted to cover.
101:26And then I blamed you for trolling me for not showing that trade the entire show, but it wasn't even available in the hat to pull out.
101:35So it was a lot of fun. So it's great time.
101:38For those that have been watching the show at all, the trade guide show since coach and I became the co-hosts.
101:44Do you agree with me that of all the hosts on player profilers podcast network, coach Jeremiah Retzlev is absolutely the fastest riser, most improved.
101:52I see it every time we podcast, dude, you get sharper and sharper.
101:56It's incredible. Your presentation skills, your depth of knowledge and this, the way you segue it's brilliant.
102:01Would you say I'm a good order? I'm Michael Wilson.
102:04I'm wired like Michael Wilson. I'm not Marvin Harrison.
102:07I had a coach once tell me you got to want it when it's not there.
102:12So when it's there, you'll be ready for it.
102:14At least Puka was involved. You want to put Puka, you want to put an elite, an Uber elite prospect player in the deal on my side.
102:23I respect you. You want to go load up the other side and make it ridiculous.
102:27Fine. But at least I had the choice of potentially getting the best player in the deal.
102:33And I respect that. I didn't see you go into global warming on this, but I'm here for it.
102:38We would, we would have been victory lapping that we would have been shoving that in fantasy receipts face three years from now.
102:45Times have changed back in my day. Arch Manning would have to go to the cafeteria.
102:50This receipt might go straight in the trash can, fantasy receipts, and then you can receipt the receipts.
102:56Cody sharpened here. It was like a two week period where Dave Montgomery's value went from something to nothing.
103:01What are you going to do? What are you going to do?
103:05I wouldn't even sell low on a Marion Hampton.
103:08You think I'm going to sell low on Jeremiah Love right now?
103:11Are you insane? No, it sucks. I don't know what my sister's name is right here.
103:16Let's do it in the trash can. Thank you.