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The FF Dynasty - Who's Worth A High 2027 1st Round Rookie Draft Pick? - 2027 Dynasty Fantasy Football

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1 hr 9 min
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Oct 31, 2026
Published
Sat, October 31, 2026
35
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Topics
Luther BurdenOmar Cooper Jr.Ashton JeantyCarnell TateDenzel BostonJordyn TysonJustin JeffersonZay FlowersChris OlaveDrew LockGarrett WilsonGeno SmithKadarius ToneyLamar Jackson
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Ashton Jeanty

PositiveInjury13:00

Ashton Jeanty is currently dealing with an injury that is limiting his rushing production; the source believes Jeanty is not fully healthy and compares his situation to Love Shutt's recent injury shutdown, suggesting that once Jeanty returns to full health, his rushing production will improve significantly from current levels.

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PositiveValue13:00

Ashton Jeanty is valued at an early first-round pick (1.02-1.04 range) in 2027 dynasty trade value; the source expresses strong conviction in Jeanty's talent and receiving upside, noting he is on pace for 105-110 targets over a 17-game season, which would provide elite PPR floor and ceiling comparable to Gibbs-range production.

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PositiveRole15:00

Ashton Jeanty is the focal point of the Raiders' offensive scheme under coach Kubiak, facing a 30% stacked box (top 3-5 in NFL) compared to backup Mike Washington's 17% stacked box; Kubiak's system is predicated on running the ball and dictating play through Jeanty, with the offense designed to open up other receivers (Brock Bowers) once defenses respect Jeanty's role.

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PositiveProjection15:00

Ashton Jeanty is on pace for 105-110 targets over a 17-game season, which would provide elite PPR upside in the Gibbs range; through seven weeks, he has 34 receptions on 44+ targets, demonstrating elite receiving usage that will translate to rushing upside once the Raiders' offensive line and system stabilize.

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Carnell Tate

PositiveProjection20:34

Has the shortest odds on offensive rookie of the year right now despite limited early usage; beginning of career eerily similar to Ted Rowe McMillan. Being moved around the formation away from Denzel Ward, displaying top-five pick traits. Averaging 4.9 receptions per game, 7.3 targets per game, 59 yards per game—all signs of a potential breakout candidate despite playing on an extremely deficient offense with poor quarterback play.

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NegativeValue21:00

Carnell Tate's 2027 first-round value tier (early, mid, or late) is being evaluated; the source begins to assess whether Tate warrants an early first, mid first, or late first in 2027 dynasty rookie draft trade value.

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PositiveValue22:18

Source ranks Tate in the 103-104 range for 2027 rookie draft, firmly in the early first tier. Despite deficient offensive environment, he's shown exactly what you want to see from a high draft prospect—consistent target volume and reception rate that suggest sustainable production even in poor situation.

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Chris Olave

PositiveValue5:15

Chris Alave is positioned in the same tier as Zay Flowers for 2027 early first-round value, ranked as wide receiver 10 in crowdsource rankings with only a four-spot difference from Flowers (WR11); the source describes them as 1A/1B in the early first-round tier, with Alave potentially ranked higher in some systems (WR8 overall) but both commanding similar early first-round trade value.

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Denzel Boston

PositiveProjection32:00

Mid-first tier ranking with big-play upside advantage over Kevin Concepcion. Dominating air-yard share (16.5 yards per reception vs. Concepcion's 6.7); getting deep down-field shots and scoring touchdowns. Can line up at X receiver against best corner and win immediately. Rare skillset allows deployment flexibility; walked into Jerry Judy's role without question.

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PositiveRole34:00

19-20% target share; positioned as X receiver with ability to line up against best corner and win. Passed both eye test and production test. Rare skillset allows him to be deployed flexibly without hiding from anyone. Can interchange with other Browns receivers due to high IQ and caliber. Waterproofed by elite talent regardless of role changes.

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NegativeProjection45:36

The source mentions Denzel Boston as a reference point in his 2027 wide receiver rankings, placing Omar Cooper just ahead of Boston at WR5, indicating Boston ranks around WR6 in the source's 2027 class assessment.

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Drew Lock

PositiveRole62:30

The source highlights that Drew Lock was super efficient in a short game stretch with the Seahawks, suggesting he could be a viable alternative if the team decides to move on from Sam Darnold at quarterback. This efficiency, combined with the team's elite defense and potential need to reset, positions Lock as a potential option the organization might consider.

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Garrett Wilson

NegativeValue6:00

Garrett Wilson is ranked below Zay Flowers and Chris Alave in the early first-round tier, positioned as a mid-first-round value rather than early first; the source notes Wilson is talent-wise comparable to Flowers and Alave but requires better quarterback play to unlock his upside, and is currently cheaper on the market than the top two receivers.

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Geno Smith

PositiveProjection46:06

The source emphasizes that as long as Gino Smith stays healthy and upright, he is one of the best deep-ball and most accurate intermediate and deep-ball throwers in the entire NFL, with stats to back that up. This accuracy is expected to unlock offensive potential for receivers like Omar Cooper, enabling both deep-ball and yards-after-catch production.

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Jordyn Tyson

NegativeInjury24:00

Injury concerns are becoming real and unavoidable. Missed half of college games, then immediately missed first two months of NFL season. Whether you believe in injury-prone label or not, the fact remains he's not playing football games, creating a mid-first discount that reflects injury risk.

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PositiveProjection25:00

Viewed as 1A/1B alongside Carnell Tate despite injury concerns and mid-season return timeline. Has immense ceiling; competing with Alvin Kamara and Juwan Johnson in red zone but positioned for wide receiver one level trajectory. Tyler Shook dropping back at high rate; New Orleans Saints pass offense serviceable and putting up serious fantasy points, creating situational upside over next couple years.

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Justin Jefferson

NegativeValue8:00

Justin Jefferson is ranked at WR8 overall (18th overall in crowdsource rankings) and is valued slightly higher than an early first-round pick in trade value; the source indicates willingness to trade a 1.03-1.04 pick for Jefferson but notes the conversation becomes much closer if the pick is 1.02, suggesting Jefferson's value is near the top of the early first tier but not quite at the Flowers/Alave level.

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NegativeProjection9:00

Justin Jefferson's current production is being hindered by poor quarterback play on the Vikings; the source expresses concern about the Vikings' long-term viability despite their undefeated record, suggesting they may regress to 6-6 over the next six games, which would further limit Jefferson's upside.

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Kadarius Toney

NegativeRole41:20

Despite elite prospect profile at USC—primary slot to outside alignment, contested catch prowess, toughness after catch—Toney is not being used in a way that generates fantasy production; the source refuses to believe he's a bust but emphasizes current usage is preventing him from translating college traits into fantasy points.

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Lamar Jackson

NegativeRole64:36

The source expresses concern about Lamar Jackson's availability and willingness to play when not 100% healthy, noting it feels weird that he didn't play a recent week when many quarterbacks play through injuries. However, another the source counters that Lamar's contract value is actually fair to good—he falls outside the top 10 highest-paid quarterbacks, making him a bargain compared to peers like Dak Prescott, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Brock Purdy, and Justin Herbert. The second the source attributes the organizational weirdness to Lamar negotiating without an agent and protecting his future earnings during contract discussions.

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Luther Burden

NegativeProjection43:07

Luther Burden is mentioned as a player the source wants to touch on in the 2027 rookie draft discussion, but specific analysis is not provided in this excerpt.

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PositiveProjection48:52

The source expresses skepticism about Burden's dynasty asset premium despite a strong first-half breakout game; notes inconsistent usage and opportunity share that don't justify the high dynasty market prices (two to three first-round picks); concerns about sustainability after a five-game stretch at season's end; projects late first-round value in realistic league economies.

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NegativeValue49:21

The source values Luther Burden at late first-round pick in realistic dynasty leagues; acknowledges mid-first argument is fair given his skillset and quarterback/coach pedigree (Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams), but maintains late first is appropriate valuation; notes other mid-first receivers may offer similar or greater opportunity share.

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PositiveBreakout50:47

Luther Burden's skillset is described as tantalizing; mid-first-round valuation supported by the potential upside of his receiving ability and the offensive context (Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams).

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PositiveProjection50:56

The source values Luther Burden at mid-first in 2027 dynasty rookie draft due to his tantalizing skillset and efficiency. the source notes that if Burden were in a different environment with 120 targets, his efficiency profile would likely produce top-10 to top-15 wide receiver production rather than WR3 with WR2 upside. Burden's ability to catch and run, yards after catch, and stop-start ability are highlighted as key traits that could translate to elite production with increased volume.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

NegativeRole51:05

The source discusses Luther Burden's matchup against Christian Gonzalez (Marvin Harrison Jr.'s teammate) in the Cardinals offense, noting that lining Burden up directly against Gonzalez may not result in favorable outcomes very often, but that moving Burden around the formation provides better opportunities for catch-and-run plays and efficiency.

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Nico Collins

NegativeValue6:00

Nico Collins is ranked below Zay Flowers and Chris Alave in the early first-round tier, positioned as a mid-first-round value; the source notes Collins is still a really good player but is available cheaper on the market than the top-tier early first receivers, with age being a minor consideration.

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Omar Cooper Jr.

PositiveProjection30:16

Omar Cooper shows encouraging early production with 12 receptions on 13 targets (92% catch rate), 20.7-yard average depth of catch, and 2 touchdowns in limited sample; source rates him as late first-round pick but cautions that elite efficiency numbers (92% catch rate) likely won't sustain, though early promise justifies the draft capital.

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PositiveValue44:49

The source views Omar Cooper as a strong value in late first-round rookie draft picks (picks 110-112), citing his efficiency and explosive play generation. Despite acknowledging he's not an indictment on the player, the source prefers taking a solid quarterback at the end of the 2027 class but would confidently take Cooper in that range if pursuing a championship run. The source notes Cooper's first career catch went for 30 yards, followed by an IR stint and a 40-yard touchdown upon return, establishing a pattern of explosive plays rather than manufactured touches.

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PositiveProjection45:36

The source was a big Omar Cooper believer, ranking him as his wide receiver five in the 2027 class, just behind Casey and just ahead of Denzel Boston. He maintains confidence in that ranking and would take Cooper in the late first round (picks 110-112) if pursuing a championship, expecting his explosive play generation and dual-skill usage to produce meaningful fantasy points.

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PositiveRole47:20

The source highlights Omar Cooper's dual-skill versatility: he lined up 85% outside in 2024 with a 19-yard per catch average as a deep threat, then was moved into the slot where he demonstrated manufactured touch ability. The source argues this represents demonstrated ability at both positions rather than a limitation, and emphasizes his skillset translates well to his new team's needs. With Gino Smith keeping the ball upright, the source expects Cooper's deep-ball and yards-after-catch abilities to unlock offensive potential.

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PositiveRole47:51

Demonstrated versatility in the NFL across both slot and outside receiver positions; showed ability to make contested catches (yak catch) and take deep shots (bombs), indicating multi-dimensional receiving skill set that supports dynasty value.

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Sam Darnold

NegativeRole61:44

The source believes there is a very real world where Sam Darnold is not the starting quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks next year. Despite the team winning recently, Darnold has been unable to eliminate turnovers from his game; he already has eight interceptions on the season and is on track to throw 16-17 picks this year. The source notes that if the turnover problem persists, the organization may look at different quarterback options this offseason, particularly given that they have an elite defense they'll need to extend and the current quarterback landscape.

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Zay Flowers

PositiveProjection3:15

Zay Flowers, age 20-25, is performing as a true alpha number-one wide receiver with massive target share and no target competition, operating at JSN-lite level production; the source values him at approximately two early first-round picks (1.02-1.04 range) and notes he is producing elite-level fantasy output despite replacement-level quarterback play from Tyler Huntley, with the implication that his ceiling expands significantly when Lamar Jackson returns.

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PositiveRole3:15

Zay Flowers is the clear number-one receiver for the Ravens with no target competition; he is producing at an elite level despite playing with backup quarterback Tyler Huntley rather than Lamar Jackson, suggesting significant upside when Jackson returns to full health.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00What is good? We're back. Well, Shev's Beard isn't back yet, but we're back.
0:04We're going to talk some 27 first values. We're at the point in the season where you're deciding what to do with some future picks.
0:12Obviously, you know, people have been holding on to these for dear life.
0:16We're going to talk about some possible trades to make with those firsts.
0:20We're sort of kind of more so bracketing them in early first, middle first, late first.
0:24Obviously, there's a lot of context that goes into trading and, you know, adding these parts and pieces depending on where your team's at.
0:32We'll try to touch on some of that, but we're generally going to run through sort of, you know, who's worth like an early first in 27?
0:40Who's worth a middle first? Who's worth a late first?
0:43And talk about some players that are in the news.
0:46Talk about some 26 players. So got a fun one for you.
0:49Let's talk 27 pick values. Shev, how you doing?
0:52I've been better. That's for certain. Glad to be here though.
0:55I've been waiting. Like I watch every week. So I am watching sadly while I'm working my W2 job and I'm like, damn, I fucking cooking.
1:03I want to be on here. I want to be, I want to be a part of that.
1:09I want to be in on that. I want to be able to do that.
1:13Stan Seahawks got back in the wind column. Good day for you.
1:17Yeah. Good, good. Get right game. Right. I mean, this defense is absolutely elite.
1:21Fun to watch. I started to have a minor panic attack when Sam Donald threw that pick at the end of the half.
1:28I was like, here we go again. But you know what?
1:31We held it together this time. You saw the cracks in the armor, but we made it through.
1:37Yeah. Hey, Sam Fran lost, but it's all right.
1:39We didn't lose any players in that game and we'll move on under the bye week.
1:44All right. Let's jump into 27 pick values. We've got, let's talk about, let's go early ones.
1:49And when we talk early, we're talking one through four.
1:52Right. And I almost want to take Jeremiah Smith out of this conversation because everyone, everything is going to come down to the caveat.
2:00If it's one Oh one, then I want this guy.
2:03Um, look, the way I'm looking at the early one Oh four one, one to one Oh four here is like Jeremiah
2:09Smith is essentially right now the one Oh one bar none.
2:12And he is essentially to me, like I'm, I'd put just a vague value of three firsts there to get into touching
2:19Jeremiah love or Jeremiah Smith, uh, pause rather. But other than that, I think the rest of those picks, as far as
2:26the singular early one first, I would almost put those at two, two ones.
2:30Right. Does that, is that sort of just in a grand overlay view, make some sense generally to how did his view
2:37just a very broad stroke of one for one, one, one to one for.
2:41Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we can't, if we start talking about Jeremiah Smith, it's going to be how early is he going and die to see startups.
2:49So I've seen the conversation go is like, I'll take Jason.
2:52I'll take tomorrow chase and that's it. Right. So it's like, okay, if we're talking about an asset like that, it metals the entire water.
3:00I'm going to take this as one Oh two and onwards.
3:03Yeah. Uh, so generally I just was trying to paint a broad stroke to like kind of give you a general overarching
3:10value of how I view that now that again, so much context and things go into your team, how it's built.
3:16And then your value should also be inputted into there.
3:19So, um, just to kick off our conversation on the first Zay flowers has had another great game with the backup quarterback again.
3:26Um, is, is, has he vaulted himself into these early first heights here?
3:30Like, is this out again, excluding Jeremiah Smith, right?
3:33We can exclude the one Oh one because there's not very many players that are going to hit that.
3:38So we're using early first. We're talking one Oh two, one Oh three, one Oh four.
3:43Has he gotten into the realm of that area for you guys?
3:47Or is it still not quite there? We were more comfortable with like a mid first.
3:52Uh, if, if not now, then when, what is he, what else do you have to see from Zay flowers to, to
3:58put him in the borderline near cornerstone level asset?
4:01I don't really understand what else, what else do you need to see?
4:05He's 20 with 25 years old. He's the number one.
4:08He's got the massive target share. He's basically no offense to Stan.
4:11He's basically behaving like JSN light. Like it's not, obviously it's not, I mean, JSN is JSN, but he's behaving like a
4:18true alpha number one wide receiver with that type of target share with no target competition.
4:23And he's doing it with let's to be polite, to be totally polite.
4:27It's replacement level quarterback play. Yeah. Cause I like Tyler Huntley a lot.
4:31So I don't want to, I don't want to tap on Tyler Huntley, but I mean, just imagine what this looks like with Lamar Jackson.
4:38The type of chemistry that they have, the, the way that he, the way that he was performing, I mean, five for
4:45one 50 and a half before he goes out with the hamstring injury in week one monster game yesterday.
4:51So yeah, I don't, if you're not going, if you are out on Zay flowers now, you just want to be as a flowers denier, which is fine.
4:59It's just, it's, it's a, it's a fallacy of logic at that point.
5:03And there's nothing you can do about that. Right.
5:06So again, you know, just a broad spectrum, broad brush.
5:09Like I'm saying essentially the early first excluding one-on-one, this is like two firsts for Zay flowers.
5:14Essentially, if you're buying into the, and that, I think that's a fair market.
5:18I think if you're a good team, why wouldn't you want them?
5:22And if you're a rebuilder with a surplus of picks, I don't think it's a bad move to know what you're getting here.
5:28Right. So everybody agrees that you're okay with this.
5:31Is anybody out on this Zay flowers and we'll be selling high?
5:35No. I mean, if you look at it from a roster construction standpoint, which sometimes is a good way to gauge what
5:41you're willing to give up for players. If you were a competitive team right now, and you're looking at your roster of
5:48wide receivers and Zay flowers as your wide receiver one, do you think that you can't win the league right now?
5:54I would say the answer is no. Like if he was my wide receiver one, and as long as I'm not batting
6:01with a bunch of backups, I feel like I could definitely put together a contending run here.
6:06At that point, he's got to be worth those prices.
6:09I mean, Chev maybe mentioned you guys were like a potential cornerstone.
6:13It's not that far away. Right. I think like outside of maybe Drake London, you're looking to that next range of Chris Alave, Garrett Wilson, Nico Collins.
6:21Like, yeah, is there a massive gap between any of those players and Zay flowers at this point?
6:26Not in my mind. Yeah. And I think that's a good kind of place to just kind of.
6:32Take the rest of those players and add them into this equation like you mentioned those guys like I mean, for me,
6:38I think at this point I just redid rankings and he's right there.
6:42But I think I think at this point, like I feel safer with him than almost any of those guys.
6:48I think Alave would be the out the outlier there.
6:51So let's take that group and say like Alave, would you trade Alave for these this this early these early ones?
6:58Yeah. Yeah. I'm still in on that. Yeah. So very much still in Alave and Zay flowers would be ahead or behind Alave if we're ranking them.
7:06And I'll tell you exactly. Same tier. Yeah. Yeah.
7:08I think it's like one A, one B, right?
7:11Like if I was in a startup tomorrow, I'm probably not.
7:14Let's say there's two picks ahead of me here and I need a wide receiver.
7:19I'm not trading up any more to get Zay flowers than I am to just stick with Chris Alave.
7:25But I think those are firmly at the top two of that range.
7:29And I think you've got Garrett Wilson and Nico Collins in there.
7:32But I feel better about the other two. Yeah.
7:35I don't know that I'm not I'm not giving up a high first for either of the other two.
7:41Garrett Wilson and Nico Collins right now. Nico with a little bit of age.
7:45I think he's still a really good player. I would love to add him to my team.
7:50I think he's a lot cheaper than that anyway.
7:53And Garrett just, you know, I think there's still talent wise.
7:56I think he's as good as those guys. You just need somebody to feed him properly.
8:01And he was getting there and we saw some emotion from him this weekend, which you don't see a ton from Garrett Wilson.
8:08So certainly wants to be more aptly fed, if you will.
8:11So would you guys agree that both Garrett Wilson and Nico Collins would have to drop out of this range for pick trades for 27 first?
8:19Right. Got to be lower than this. I agree.
8:22It'd be it shouldn't be. So I'm looking at my rankings right now.
8:26I have Chris Alave, wide receiver 10. Zay Flowers, wide receiver 11.
8:29There's a four spot difference between them and then a six spot difference between Zay Flowers and Garrett Wilson.
8:35So, yeah. They're all right there on the crowdsource rankings to Shiv.
8:38I mean, if you look at, you know, Dynasty PPR, Superflex, it's Zay Flowers at 30.
8:43Nico's at 35. And Garrett Wilson's at 33. Alave's probably higher than all of them.
8:48Yeah. Alave's at 25. So we have Flowers maybe in Alave, a tier elevated, and then Wilson in them.
8:54But I think Wilson and them are just generally cheaper on market to be more of the mid to late first right now.
9:00Let me put you in the hot seat. Let me put you guys in the hot seat real quick.
9:06Would you rather have Justin Jefferson or Zay Flowers right now?
9:09I think if your team's competing and winning right this minute, then you've got to say Zay Flowers, right?
9:15And he's two years younger. Right. And he's putting up points and he's doing what you want him to do.
9:21I think Justin Jefferson can have as long as a career as he wants to have and be in that realm with
9:28the guys that are doing it really well right now into their 30s.
9:32We just got to figure something out here because it's just it's not it's not the points in your lineup that you want right now.
9:39It's more like Garrett Wilson points rather than Zay Flowers points.
9:43That's what I'm saying. It's a good time to buy.
9:46Good time to buy because I have confidence in the player.
9:49But I certainly wouldn't give up a high end first for him.
9:53And I don't think you need to. But that's that's what it's going to take for from a Justin Jefferson owner.
9:59Otherwise, I'll just wait. So would so would you guys give up the high end for would you give up one of
10:05these early first for a Justin Jefferson type of player?
10:08And it's got you know, obviously, if you're a rebuilder, you're not going to do that.
10:13But if you're like, I think what you would want to be is either a middler who feels like they got a
10:20pretty good team and this could take it over the top.
10:23And I don't want to do it in the rookie draft.
10:27Or you're one of those big time contenders where this is just, you know, one of those pieces that you can just
10:33buy and and and wait on because you're luxury picking.
10:36I think out of the respect for what Justin Jefferson is as a talent, I want to say yes.
10:42Like, I still believe at age 27 here, you're going to get like two, if not three more dominant Justin Jefferson performances before it's all said and done.
10:50The question is, is that going to be in years 28, 29 and 30?
10:55Or are you going to have to sprinkle them in over time here?
10:58Because I don't exactly know what is going on with this Vikings team.
11:02They're somehow undefeated. And I'm just not threatened by them necessarily.
11:06But maybe that's me. Maybe that's me. Yeah, I'm not.
11:09I'm not threatened. I think they're kind of pretenders.
11:11But we will see. I mean, they look really good.
11:14And the record sure says they're good. All to be said, I will give up the 103, 104 for Justin Jefferson.
11:21I think if you're 102, like locked and loaded 102, it's a lot closer of a conversation.
11:26Yeah, I mean, he is right now at 18 in the overall crowd.
11:30So wide receiver eight. So it would lean to say, and if you look at the trade value tab on our thing,
11:36that he's higher than what an early first is kind of ranked in the system there, but just barely.
11:42So it's right there. But I think, like you said, you kind of got to give it to him.
11:48And I think I would. I don't have any problem with it.
11:51I think it didn't go anywhere. It just the quarterback play has hindered the upside, which is crazy.
11:57It's crazy right now. So we shall see where the Minnesota Vikings sort of end up here through another six games, because
12:03I don't think anybody would be surprised if they're six and six through another six games.
12:08But I mean, maybe we're all just a little bit of sleep here.
12:12I mean, they're winning games. They're figuring it out.
12:15They're winning games. But like, do we really think that if they went to San Francisco or Seattle right now that like it would be neck and neck?
12:23I don't know. Maybe I'm off on this one.
12:26I think both those teams are comfortably ahead of where Minnesota is at.
12:30Yeah, the X factor is Kyler. If Kyler gets on one, then he could they can beat and compete with those teams.
12:37If he's just going to be average, then no, probably not.
12:40Right. But generally what they wanted was somebody to not make big mistakes.
12:44And he hasn't made huge mistakes throughout. And it's kept them, you know, undefeated, last undefeated team in the league.
12:50Anyway. All right. Let's keep it moving here. I want to talk about Gentry before we move on into we're going to
12:56talk about some 26 players and kind of where they would bracket.
13:00Into these 27 picks. But Gente, somebody who is just week after week, just perennially getting smashed on the Twitter X.
13:06People think he stinks, that he's a bust, that he's terrible.
13:10Still, would you guys still give up an early first in the 2027?
13:14Call it 2-1-2-1-3-1-4 for Ashton Gente moving into the offseason or right now.
13:18There's only a few things I believe in more than Ashton Gentry.
13:21Kim Trails, Bigfoot, and Ashton Gente. All right. Those are like, I believe, I know what I'm watching.
13:27I know. And I know that he's not. I don't believe that he's healthy.
13:31I don't. I don't think so. I mean, love shut down right now on an injury.
13:36Probably pretty similar, right? Yes. And so, you know what this looks like.
13:40I mean, you saw flashes of it when he was healthy with one of the most putrid offensive lines that you could ever imagine last year.
13:47And an actual terrorist. Just actual terrorist, multiple members of our coaches set up shop in Las Vegas last year.
13:53So, I believe in Ashton Gente. I don't think that there's, I mean, you could see when he's able to get the
14:00ball in space, what it looks like in the receiving game.
14:03And what are we even doing? If we're going to get eight receptions from a guy, obviously that's an outlier.
14:09But if we're going to get reception utility from a guy like this with the draft capital, he's going to be valuable for fantasy.
14:17And it's a really dumb assumption to think that he can't play football and not be able to juxtapose that between, like,
14:23is he being given a chance to succeed? And is he just not able to do anything with the ball in his hands?
14:30And the answer is a resounding, yes, he can do things with the ball in his hands.
14:35No, he's not being given a real opportunity to succeed in the run game.
14:39Yeah. Stan, you want to take a shot at this?
14:42Where do you stand with Ashton Gente? Yeah, I mean, first off on the trade, it's a no-brainer for me.
14:48I'll take Gente here. I don't want to piggyback off too much of what Shev said, but, like, I think the point
14:55that he made that's astute and the real baseline of my reasoning here is, normally you see running backs come out, you
15:02know, from college and depending on their prospect profile, the question isn't, especially in Ashton Gentry's case, is he a talented enough runner?
15:09It's what is his PPR upside? Like, can he be in the Gibbs range?
15:13Exactly. Can he be in the Gibbs range, right?
15:16Like, can he catch a bunch of passes and give you this unbelievable floor?
15:20Well, like Shev mentioned, like, he's getting a crazy amount of receiving usage here, and it's probably to take some load off
15:26of the injury of the immediate contact behind the line of scrimmage or something like that, running into the back of his alignment.
15:33But through seven weeks, you've got 34 receptions here.
15:36He's had over 44 targets. I mean, it's like, my question about Ashton Gente as a prospect was, is he a good runner of the football?
15:44Like, yeah, we know that. So, like, if the receiving upside is now in his wheelhouse, then the rushing upside will come back.
15:51He didn't get worse at running the football in the last year.
15:54He's banged up. There's, you know, they're working through a new system, new coach there.
15:59The way they're going to split this time up, I'm sure, is still up to some debate for the long term.
16:05The answer is Ashton Gentry is phenomenal. And if there's a dip on him, you should buy him.
16:11Yeah, that's basically what I wanted to make sure that I wasn't taking crazy pills here.
16:15And if there is any dip and people get fed public, the court of public opinion, and there is a lot of people who are down on him.
16:24And if you're an owner and you were expecting him to just be, you know, outrageous in the, but like he's still,
16:31he's not really letting you down week over week for the most part as far as points scored, right?
16:36Whether it's one way or the other, he's getting it done for you.
16:40And that's what you want. And like you said, the PPR upside is there.
16:44That touchdown he caught yesterday was awesome. It was awesome.
16:47Well, to you two, if I came out in April and told you over a 17 game pace, Ashton Gente right now
16:54is on track for 105 to 110 targets on the season.
16:57Oh, we got GMC? Yeah, like what would you guys say?
17:01Would you be like, oh, I'm buying him as fast as possible.
17:04Right. Instead, there's negativity out there of just like that.
17:07He stinks. And like, I think there is an injury lingering.
17:11Look, the Raiders are overachieving. Generally, the offensive line still is not great.
17:15Right. They don't have a number one receiver. Brock Bowers is out there.
17:18I mean, the bills laid it out. They put their best cover guy on Bowers and then said, do something else.
17:25And now you're seeing Trey Tucker come alive a little bit, but mostly in mop up duty.
17:30And you're looking at the game log like it's just game script.
17:33He's got 15, 10, 10 and eight in the last couple of games as far as carries because they've been getting beat up.
17:40And then they're coming back. And then the end score looks a little closer than it actually was.
17:46Right. But the big thing is, is like all these people.
17:49And this is just anything else there. It's just it was your cry.
17:53I was crying for the backup quarterback. And you're always crying for the backup running back because they look explosive when they
18:00get their chances or this or that. It's just something different.
18:03And look, the reason that it looks different when Mike Washington is out there and Ashton Gentry out there, it's because it is different.
18:10Like Mike Washington is facing 17 percent of a stack box.
18:14That's the 10th lightest in the entire NFL. Ashton Gentry is facing a 30 percent stack box.
18:19That's top three to five, depending on where you're looking at it.
18:22So when you look at it and it looks different, it fucking is.
18:26That's why it looks different. And when you go back a game or two and you see the one big run that
18:33Washington had, it's through a ginormous hole. Like that doesn't happen when he's in there because everybody on that field is concerned with Gentry.
18:40That's what they're and they know Kubiak is going to use the piss out of him.
18:45Like and so they're like, hey, we're going to put this cover guy on Bowers or figure out a way to bracket him and then stop Gentry.
18:53Because the whole rest of this offense is predicated off what Gentry is doing to you.
18:58That's what they want to do. You watch them do it in Seattle.
19:02That's what Kubiak. They want to run the ball.
19:04They want to dictate what they're doing. And then they're going to they don't have JSN right now.
19:10They have Brock Bowers. And if they could get an OK receiver out there, it would open up so many more things.
19:16But like the fact that people are debating whether or not he's Trent Richardson and a bust is you're just not watching.
19:23You're lazy. You just you're just ready like you're the same people who threw JSN away to throw gente away.
19:29We'll be here to catch him with open arms because it's it's crazy.
19:33The Raiders stink. And like that's all there is to it.
19:36And like I get it. And it's the same people who don't want you to take running backs high right in the draft.
19:43And it's like, yeah, well, how'd that work out?
19:46And yeah, it took a minute for it to work with Gibbs and the Lions because they stunk.
19:51And it took a minute for it to work with Bijon and the Falcons because they stunk.
19:56But now they're both their fucking identities. That's how they operate.
20:00Like Bijon is so much of what Atlanta does.
20:03Obviously, they have a good offensive line. But like and so do the Lions.
20:07But that's what you're that's what Kubiak is going to go build.
20:10Kubiak inherited a good offensive line in Seattle that was just banged up through multiple years.
20:15They couldn't there was there were down multiple tackles for two years.
20:19It seemed like like so it's just relax, guys.
20:21Relax. Anyway, sorry. We can move on now. But I just the people the people needed to hear that case.
20:27The people needed to hear that. And the action gente folks that have got them on their trade black should probably be
20:34looking to take a car hold looking to me right now.
20:37Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, let's keep it moving. Let's keep it moving here.
20:41I want to jump into some 26 players here and because this did start off as a mock and then devolved a little.
20:48But let's let's look at the 26 receiver class and we'll we'll put them in the high in the early mid or late here.
20:55OK. All right. So let's go back when we'll do them kind of in order as they're coming off the board.
21:02Carnell Tate and Sheva, I'll kick it to you here first.
21:05Is he worth an early first in 2027, a mid first in 27, a late first in 27 or not?
21:11Where's the first in 27? Hey, I hey, you know, I'm still going.
21:15I'm still going early first. It's I mean, the shortest odds on rookie offensive player of the year, rookie of the year,
21:21offensive rookie of the year right now. And it's he's not done anything.
21:25His his beginning of his career is eerily similar, similar to Ted Rowe McMillan.
21:30And I think that it's just going to get better now that he's getting more utilization.
21:34We saw the big play down at the end of the hour.
21:38Well, you guys probably didn't see it because nobody watched.
21:41I saw it. I watched every single snap of that game bubble.
21:45Now, why would I'm hanging out with you? Yeah, because I like that shit because I want to know if Cam Ward's good or not.
21:52I watched every snap of Caleb Williams for two and a half years.
21:56Just I got Trevor Lawrence. I got to know.
21:59So so you're starting to see them move him around the formation that kept him away from Denzel Ward quite a bit yesterday.
22:06And he's starting to display the traits that you want to see in a guy that you select in a, you know, as a top five pick.
22:14So I'm still I'm still holding steadfast. I'm going early first still right now today.
22:18Stan, you came out a couple of weeks ago and had some graphs, I know, on your Twitter.
22:24And stuff of just showing, hey, all the things that you want to see are adding up for Tate and it's coming to fruition.
22:31So early, mid or late or none. No, I think you've got me on the back of the early.
22:37Like, I don't know if I feel 102. I know we're getting so granular now and I'm getting all specific.
22:43We are going to do these buckets. 102, you probably don't have me.
22:47You still do have me in the 103, 104 range.
22:50I think that's fair. What you have said and what you alluded to, right?
22:54Like so far this season, he's shown you exactly what you want to see out of a prospect that was drafted high
23:00up and is on an extremely deficient offense. Like not a good team, not good quarterback play.
23:06But even per game right now, he's averaging 4.9 reception.
23:09So, you know, you get five catches a game.
23:11He's averaging over seven targets, 7.3 targets a game, you know, 59 yards a game, which isn't exactly, you know, 100 yard games from a bunch of rookies.
23:20But this is all the signs you want to see as far as a potential breakout candidate.
23:25And so I think to re-roll would just be throwing it back into a risky realm of nonsense.
23:30Like you have a product that looks good. Just stick with it.
23:34Yeah. All right. I like it. How about Tyson?
23:37We haven't seen anything. So this one's tough. I think to just be fair, I think it's mid to late for me, right?
23:44I like the player a lot. We haven't seen anything.
23:47Go ahead, Jeff. You'd go mid, but that's as far as I would go.
23:51I mean, this is the dude who I told the reason that he isn't the wide receiver.
23:56He wasn't the unquestioned wide receiver one in the class is because of the fact that he was injured.
24:02Yeah, he was injured. Yeah. Like otherwise, it's pretty clear that there's one guy who is incredibly dynamic and we should, is
24:08like, if there's a special player, it's him, right?
24:11But it's just that he missed half of his college games and then immediately got to the NFL and was like, guys,
24:18I'm going to miss the first two months of the season.
24:21And so you those injury concerns are starting to be real, whether you want them to be or not, whether you believe in injury prone or not.
24:29What's in your face right now is that he's not playing football games.
24:33So if you want to say mid, you're banking in the injury discount.
24:37But if we're talking the highest upside, that's the highest upside swing of all the receivers and pass catchers in the draft, arguably of the last two drafts.
24:45Yeah. And we have to like, I mean, I feel comfortable with the environment, too.
24:50So that's also a plus, right? Yeah, exactly. You know, so Stan, how do you feel about Tyson here?
24:55Yeah, I mean, this is a brutal one. And I think Chev remembers from our conversations this offseason when we're chopping it
25:02up on some of the trade shows and everything.
25:05Like, I'm with him. Jordan Tyson was my wide receiver one in this class.
25:09I do think that his ceiling is immense. Now, yeah, the injury things there, the system.
25:14OK, he's got to compete with Alave. And Shook seems to like Juwan Johnson in the red zone and all these things.
25:20And I guess you could write a million different narratives to try to talk Tyson down.
25:25But I think him and Tate still, even from what I've seen from Tate, I still view him as like a 1A, 1B.
25:32Like, you could make the argument that I think Tyson has a lot better situational upside over the next couple of years.
25:39Because, yeah, like Tyler Shook is dropping back at a crazy rate.
25:42The New Orleans Saints pass offense is, although it seems they take time to get started at the beginning of every game,
25:49they are very serviceable and they are putting up serious fantasy points.
25:53And so I think from the perspective that Jordan Tyson could potentially still have a wide receiver one level trajectory, which I
25:59don't think is a crazy thing to say, just based off the talent that the injuries are in question, I would give him in a heartbeat for him.
26:08Yeah. If Velae's doing what Velae's doing, Tyson's going to be just fine.
26:12Yeah. You know, do we do? Does anyone think Velae is a unique generational athlete?
26:16Right. No, no, he's he's fine. He's fine. Probably Juwan might take a bit of a more of a hit here once
26:23Tyson comes back and maybe and maybe a lot of it takes a small hit as well.
26:28Just if if Tyson is is as dynamic as we think he is.
26:32But I agree. I think that's a great upside swing.
26:35All right. Casey just had the breakout game. Kevin Concepcion coming out here was one of my favorite receivers in this class.
26:41Finally kind of gets going in this one gets fed probably a nobody's lineup.
26:46Then they go back next week and they'll have, you know, seven to nine again.
26:50And you'll be like, what the fuck? But Casey Concepcion in 2027 early, mid late.
26:55What do we do here? I can kick us off here because I actually like think I might differ from from chef here.
27:02I'm not sure I I'm going to go late.
27:04And the reason for the late is maybe it's a crowded room argument, but it's like I still really like Harold Vennon.
27:11And I really love Denzel Boston. And so I think like from the upside perspective of, OK, we've seen a new Browns.
27:18We've seen a Browns that can win games. We've seen a Browns that actually can give you fantasy performers.
27:23And, you know, Judkins came out here even this week and gave you another 20 plus point performance.
27:29It's like, OK, well, this is a unique realm we've been in from where we've seen the Browns in the past.
27:35That all being considered. I just think because there is enough mouths to feed on this offense now and because there is
27:42enough talent there, you're not going to see as much consistency from like the potential quote unquote alpha in this system.
27:48Right. And I think we were talking about Zay Flowers earlier, but it's like, yeah, I would expect Zay Flowers to have
27:55a floor of 14 points per game. I know it's still very early for all these young prospects.
28:00We're talking about guys that are under 24 years old in that entire pass catching room.
28:05But it's like, I think you're going to have big fan in weeks.
28:09I think you're going to have big Boston weeks.
28:11I think you're going to have big KC weeks.
28:14I just don't know if I'm willing to look at any of those players.
28:18And that's even Denzel Boston included, who I really liked and went on a great stretch at the start of the season
28:25and say, yeah, this guy has a floor of 13 or 14 points per game.
28:30I think you're still just going to get these kind of like Jameson Williams style performances for any of these guys, like
28:36six points this week, 23 the next. Right. And so for that reason alone, that's why I'm going to put him in the late category.
28:44But I don't disagree that over time. And if we see some more consistency out of this Browns offense over a period
28:50of less than just seven to eight games, yeah, maybe he is a 12 point per game floor guy, you know, this time next year.
28:58Shev early, middle, late Kevin. Middle. Middle. Middle. Okay.
29:01Yeah. I mean, look, he's 30th in targets right now, but it's been the target count has been rather consistent, but they're
29:07using him like they're using him like he's Kadarius Tony instead of what he's actually capable of.
29:12So you're getting the big boy extra series usage from Boston.
29:16So that makes you that makes you assume that, oh, well, Casey's a gadget guy.
29:20This is what he this is what his is like.
29:23No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
29:26Casey is capable of everything that you see from the other from the other guys.
29:30It's just that the role that he's being asked to play is completely different than what his.
29:35It does not accentuate the the breadth of his skill set to where he's he's able to show you everything.
29:41I mean, we got a glimpse of it yesterday.
29:44He made it. He had an end around there was absolutely nothing.
29:48He just night crawled his way into like a six or seven yard game.
29:52It's you just can't like I can't tell you enough, like how good at football.
29:57I think Kevin F. Concepcion is. So I'm going to go mid just because that's where I was taking him.
30:03One oh five one oh six firmly ahead of Jadarian Price.
30:06No offense, Stan, but I like I just genuinely but I believe in the player.
30:10We got it. We were getting a little bit of a helmet discount because nobody believes in the Browns.
30:16Same thing with Omar Cooper. But I think that this if they if they're going to give him meaningful targets where it's
30:23not just throw it to him behind the line of scrimmage.
30:26He's going to be comfortable wide receiver to and move into that wide receiver one conversation pretty soon.
30:31And then we'll be having to talk about the Browns in a completely different way.
30:36Yeah, I think right now you don't have a facilitator at the moment and maybe Deshaun continues to grow into Munkin's offense here.
30:43And maybe maybe he ends up being the guy with them next year because they keep winning ballgame.
30:48But right now I don't think all three can shine week over week.
30:52And that's a really hard thing to do. You mentioned the Lions, Stan.
30:56I mean, the Bears right now can't can't quite get all three guys going as far as giant fantasy points every week.
31:03And that's unrealistic. It's just the league. And it's unrealistic to think that every player is going to score great points every single week.
31:10Like we just we need we would like to just when it's a bad game to have nine.
31:15You know what I mean? And I think Casey can do that if they're going to manufacture touches and give them the other stuff like you're saying, Jim.
31:24So I'm with you on if you get a random touchdown here and he's got zero touchdowns on the season.
31:30Right. That would dramatically raise his floor. Right. Well, just 20 and a half percent target share thus far is pretty is really good for a rookie.
31:38And I think that if if they continue to grow, like you said, if Deshaun Watson grows in Munkin's offense, that's going
31:45to raise a rising tide lifts all boats. If the quarterback is going to play better, it gives us more opportunities for
31:51these guys to actually do what they're good at.
31:54We're just they're just kind of scraping by with, you know, hey, we'll get it.
31:58We'll do this. We'll do this. There's if he takes that step forward, it's going to be better for everyone.
32:04And then we're talking about Casey and fully unleashed.
32:07And that's an early first easy because, I mean, yeah, I mean, for sure.
32:11I agree. If the talent is for a lot of these guys that we're talking about is all early first.
32:17It's just situationally. Can we get there and stay on the field?
32:21So I like that. All right. Let's go with this teammate, Boston.
32:25And I got Boston Lemon and Omar Cooper here for these last couple of receivers.
32:29So Boston early mid or late first for Denzel Boston.
32:32Without putting my own foot in my mouth, like Boston is a mid, but I like Boston more than Casey.
32:38And I just think that what this comes down to.
32:41Yeah. And I think it just comes down to the big play upside.
32:45Right. Like, you know, what I have seen out of Boston is like if he's going to play the X and he's
32:52going to be out there and he's going to get the deep shot targets and he's got the chance to take big
32:58touchdowns of the house each and every week. Then that's why I have to give him a slight boost ahead of Casey.
33:05And it's not because Casey can't do it to Shem's point.
33:08I think like, you know, he was talking about the talent level.
33:12I don't disagree with that from a, from a, you know, pure argument standpoint, like, yeah, are they equally as talented?
33:18Is one more talented than the other? Those things could absolutely be true.
33:22But in the metrics of fantasy football, if one's got big play touchdown upside that I've already seen and the other one
33:29doesn't yet, then that's the reason I'm leaning. Right.
33:32And this could change dramatically. Right. Like over the next eight weeks, if Casey Conception comes out and has a bunch of deep touchdowns and whatever, then.
33:40Well, I'll, I'll, I'll walk with this all back, like, like a nice and comfortably.
33:44But for now, Boston, Boston's going to be a mid for me.
33:48Jeff. I'm comfortable with moving in from late to mid.
33:51Yeah. I think I would. Yeah. Go ahead. No, looking at the, I'm just looking at, I'm on, I'm on that one website that Scott Barrett has.
33:59And it's, I mean, 19 to 20% target share for between Denzel Boston.
34:03Okay. The biggest difference is just the amount of air yards and the way that they're using Denzel Boston.
34:09It's 17 yards of reception, 16 and a half yards of reception to 10 yards of reception.
34:14And again, that's, or excuse me, a dot 16 and a half to 6.7 for Casey.
34:18It's, it's just a, I mean, Denzel Boston's dominating the air yard share.
34:22So to your point, Stan, you're absolutely right. The, the, the points have flown his way for the majority of the time
34:29because he's getting those big, deep down the field shots.
34:32And he is an outside, you know, for a fact, there's no question right now today, you can stick him out there
34:39at X receiver and he can go score points, put them on the backside of formation and say, Hey, go win against this guy.
34:46Ironically enough, he did, he did not win. And that's what led to a pick yesterday for Deshaun, but he's got everything
34:53that you want in everything that you wanted to see from his skillset.
34:56Cause there's sometimes there's big stiff guys who can't, who can't separate and all this other dumb stuff that people make up
35:03when a guy's big, but he's done everything. He's passed the eye test.
35:07He's passed the production test. So it's just a matter of, it's just a matter of like, Hey, what, what, where, what's the ceiling at this point?
35:15And I don't think we can answer that question for, for any of these guys.
35:20I don't want to take us on a rabbit trail either here, but I am curious specifically to you two, like, you
35:26know, you guys and I were talking early in the season.
35:30I actually believe it was preseason about Tedderall McMillan, potentially getting more usage in the slot.
35:34And that dramatic dramatically, you know, raises his, his floor and even his ceiling.
35:39Right. Like, I guess where do you land in the whole Boston conception fan and thing, as far as like, well, if
35:45Denzel Boston is mostly going to line up on the outside, like, and probably not get worked in too much into the
35:52slot over the next couple of years, because of the other weapons they have, like, does that come into play with the way you're evaluating them?
36:00As far as prospects go and what you're willing to pay for them in dynasty at this current point in time?
36:06I don't, I don't, I don't think so. I, I liked, because I liked Tedderall McMillan in that kind of power slot role.
36:13And I think Denzel Boston could have played that.
36:16I just, I think he is just a better, like profiles better as the, just a straight up go out there and do your thing.
36:23And I think in that division, having a guy out there who can go out there and be that, that X receiver
36:30and go just be that and go be a big target for somebody.
36:34I don't know that it really changes all that much.
36:37I mean, I guess from a volume standpoint, it, you know, that's kind of why you like it with Ted is because
36:43it could potentially secure some more easy, easy layups for you, which, you know, that seems like they'll probably go to Casey and Fannin.
36:51But I think there's going to be enough red zone potential for Boston that I don't know.
36:56I don't know. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm, I don't shit.
36:59What do you think here? Cause I feel like I'm rambling a little bit as I'm sorting this out in my brain.
37:05There's going to be enough pie to go around for everybody.
37:09No, I genuinely believe that. I think that. So the beauty of this is that Denzel Boston has such a rare skillset
37:15and being able to come in day one and you line him up against the best corner and say, go win.
37:22And that he's going to be able to score fantasy points, no matter what, it's almost like waterproofing him.
37:27It's just, Hey, we don't have to hide. We don't have to hide this dude from anybody.
37:32We can line him up here. If we decide that we want to move him around, like he's can't, he walked in
37:39the trap and took over Jerry Judy's Jerry Judy's role without question.
37:43And I think that you're going to be able, because these guys are, are good at football.
37:48They're high and they're high caliber, high IQ players.
37:50You're going to be able to interchange them a bit.
37:53Harold fan is one of the most productive tight ends in history.
37:57One of the most productive tight ends in NFL history as a rookie.
38:01So I think that as they grow, Todd Munkin clearly is a, is a brilliant offensive mind.
38:06It's not just that he had Lamar. It's, he is a brilliant offensive mind.
38:10He's getting the best version of Deshaun Watson that we've seen.
38:14We haven't seen this type of guy since Houston.
38:16So I think that the skill sets are going to allow them to be able to deploy them in ways that they
38:23can all succeed, even if it's in very different ways.
38:26And we just like, we're seeing that. Yeah. Yeah.
38:29It might lower the ceiling for all three, but the floor is going to be so much safer, especially if Deshaun Watson,
38:35like we said, I know it's, it's a big if man, you know, and we're relying on him to stay away from
38:42the massage parlors and all that stuff. But we're, we're talking about the offense being a lot better than we expected.
38:48That's an uncomfortable thing to say about the Browns.
38:51Yeah. Right. Right. No, that's a good question though.
38:54But yeah, I like both of those guys. I've got them ranked back to back right now, as far as a ranking of Boston and Casey, right.
39:02An overall wide receiver ranking. So I think they kind of one goes with the other and they're going to go as the Browns go.
39:09And right now it's the Browns goes pretty, pretty solid way, way better than we thought.
39:14And I think this whole thing of just us doing this and, and the, and why we were going to do the
39:21mock and then it devolved into sort of this is just a reminder of all off season, what you heard and what
39:27the reality is right now of these receivers. And like some of the ones that you didn't even care about, you know,
39:34at the beginning of this cycle, lemon was the best one for sure.
39:38And then, you know, as it went on and on and on now, like, Hey, we're all right.
39:43Next question. Lemon early, middle or later. None. Oh, I'll, I'll, I'll rip off the bandaid here.
39:48I'll, I'm going to go late. I'm going to go late because I'm definitely not in the range of thinking.
39:54Mekhi lemon is like some second round rookie pick value.
39:57Now that all being said, like, I don't feel good about it.
40:01You know, like he's almost in that range kind of that we talk about during the off season of like the Jameson
40:08Williams type players where it's like, if I own him, I'm not selling him for a second.
40:13But if I don't own him, I don't want to buy him for a first.
40:17Like that's where I'm sitting with Mekhi lemon right now.
40:20I would almost say none. I like buying him.
40:23I don't know if he costs even a late first anymore.
40:26If people want to just get rid of him.
40:29And I think we will, and we'll touch on it in a minute, but I would almost, this is like a two twos maybe even.
40:37And I'm still buying him. I'm not, I'm not out on him.
40:40I still think he's good, but. Yeah. I'm not sending a first form today, but I own enough Mekhi lemon that if
40:47someone came into my inbox with two twos, I'd say kick rocks.
40:50Like, I'll just see what I got. All right.
40:53Listen up, pal. Listen up, pal. All right. We, this was in the back of my head.
40:58I felt like this was the worst possible landing spot for Mekhi lemon.
41:02He is getting Matthew golden into the upside down right now.
41:06And what we need to do is we need to let this bottom out.
41:10I'm taking him. I'm still going to take him with a late first because here's the thing.
41:15We know he can play football unless he is just the biggest bust known to mankind.
41:20I refuse to believe that everything that we saw from him at USC, being able to move from being a primary slot
41:26guy to being an outside, to being able to align outside the contested catch prowess, the toughness after like the toughness with the run after the catch.
41:34He's not being used. He's being used again. I hate to pick on my guy, Kadarius Tony and his Megan Fox thumbs,
41:41but he just isn't being used in a way that's going to transform.
41:45He's not turning into any sort of fantasy points.
41:48And for all the geeks out there that are just like, well, it's not turning into his not actually doing anything.
41:54So clearly he's not good. And 60% of the time, if you don't produce 525 yards in your rookie year, you're never
42:01going to be more than 10 points a game.
42:03Look, go by Mekhi lemon. If, if for some reason they're able to remember why they drafted him, this is going to,
42:10this is going to hit like prime Mike Tyson.
42:13He's just not being used in a way that we can rely on anything.
42:17So it's going to be really bad. You're going to have to default to your priors.
42:22There's going to be some jack wagon that comes into your DMS is like, well, just throw him a guy limited and
42:28you're going to have to say, no, I don't want to.
42:32Yeah. I don't, I believe in Mekhi lemon. So yeah, I'm still sticking with the late first.
42:37If you, if you think that he's, he slid out of the first round, that's, that's crazy to me.
42:42Yeah. That's just abandoning the, you're abandoning the evaluation based on the outcome and not just, you just got to have a little bit more poise than this.
42:51Well, and it's just the, it's, it's it cause it hasn't, it won't sort of thing.
42:56And look, we thought jets and Browns were going to be terrible case scenarios.
43:00And, and, you know, there was some concern about the Eagles there, but the Eagles are, are awful right now for one reason or another.
43:07Um, that's just, again, just a reminder. And that's why I kind of wanted to do lemon here.
43:13Cause it's just like, I, we all think the player is still good.
43:17We're all still interested by him. If you can don't sell them for too cheap.
43:21So let's move on to Omar Cooper real quick.
43:24And then I do want to touch on Luther burden and then, uh, one running back before we talk quarterbacks and in the show.
43:31So Omar Cooper early, later, neither right now. It's it's, it's, it's going to be late for me.
43:37Uh, but man, is it encouraging, right? I mean, the, the, the reason why there's even some skepticism here is just the efficiency rate that we're looking at.
43:45So 12 receptions on 13 targets, his average depth of catch is 20.7 yards.
43:49Also has the two touchdowns on top of that.
43:52He's got a 92% catch rate. Um, you've only seen it on a short period of time.
43:57Now, uh, if you were a huge believer in his prospect profile, I'm sure you're taking victory laps like crazy these last two weeks.
44:04Um, and for that reason, I don't think the efficiency numbers are going to stay where they are today.
44:10Uh, all being said though, like, yeah, late first round pick, like, sure.
44:14You want to roll the dice again, or you want to take a guy that's already showing you a good amount of promise and limited sample size.
44:22I've got to be honest, guys. I thought there was going to be more neither or more none or pushing guys even
44:29further down because of the 27 class feels like you guys have.
44:32Everyone is maybe just a little tempered on the 27s.
44:35I would say, I would say none just because I think that there's a really good chance that I get, you know, a solid quarterback.
44:43I like at this, at this juncture, again, not an indictment on the, on the, uh, player at all.
44:49Like I like Cooper. I defended Cooper plenty in this off season.
44:52She has on the way back over there. Um, I think he's a lot of fun.
44:57I think he's a good player. I think we're seeing good stuff from him.
45:01Um, I w I think I would take the end of the 27 right now off of, um, the efficiency that you're getting from Omar Cooper.
45:09I think he's going to be just fine though.
45:12Shev, what do you think? Right now today, if you need points in your lineup, the, everything that he's shown you.
45:18So there's, there's guys who have to be manufactured touches.
45:21And then there's guys who generate explosive plays. You can, uh, an explosive play guy, like the first catch of Omar Cooper's career went for 30 yards.
45:29And then he went and then he went to IR and then he came back and he caught a 40 yard touchdown.
45:36Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's just once as an accident, twice as a trend thrice.
45:40And you're just, you're just living in denial. So he's showing you who he is.
45:45That's what I'm saying. Like I, I, I was a big Omar Cooper believer.
45:49He was my wide receiver five, just behind Casey, right.
45:52Just ahead of Denzel Boston. Right. So I have no reason.
45:55I have no reason if I was taking him in the, in the late part of the first round, if I was
46:02taking them one 10 to one 12, I'm cool with doing that here as well.
46:06Especially, especially if I'm trying to, if I know that I'm going to go make a run for a championship this year, I would send this off.
46:14And I don't think that one, as long as you keep Gino Smith upright, Casey, we've all said, like, we've said this time and again.
46:22Okay. Stan, you can, you are witness to it as a Seahawks fan.
46:26As long as you keep them upright, he's one of the best deep ball and most accurate intermediate and deep ball throws in the entire NFL.
46:34And there are stats to back that up. So I think that this is going to unlock something within their offense.
46:40And then you can still throw the ball to him and let him generate yards after the catch stuff.
46:46So the skillset is translating to what the team needs and what he actually, what he's good at being utilized in that manner.
46:53So I'm going to, I'm rolling. I'm going, I'm going late.
46:56The thing was, is I think he had, he had both parts of the skillset, but the thing that people had seen
47:03most recently was the manufactured touch yak kind of stuff.
47:06Whereas before that he had some deeper, like the way he was used was different than what he was, the way he
47:12was used in the prior year to them, obviously being, nobody was paying any attention to fucking Indiana two years ago, at least normal people were.
47:20And then the first time they see him, he's doing more manufactured yak stuff for that team.
47:25Where as before that he had, he was a deep threat.
47:29He could do, you know, Like lined up 85% outside in 2024.
47:32The loss to Notre Dame in the playoffs where he was, he was a 19 yard per catch receipt, like receiver.
47:38And then they moved him into the slot. And then he was doing more of that stuff.
47:44And it's right. It's like, man, it's both. Yes.
47:46Except instead of us saying, wow, this is a guy who had demonstrated ability at both positions.
47:51We were like, well, he's only a slot guy and he's a manufactured touch guy.
47:56So I don't know if I like him. Yeah.
47:59No, I think, I think he showed you already in the NFL that he can do both of those things too.
48:05Like the first catch he had was a yak catch.
48:08He's had some bombs now. So this is all good stuff for Omar Cooper.
48:12Let's hit one more receiver and then we'll move on to.
48:15Some, some quarterback conversation to end. Luther Burden had a breakout game here in the first half.
48:21So is Luther Burden a early first, a mid first or late first right now in 2027?
48:26Stan. You just, you always set me up for the burden haters to just like come track me down all over the
48:32internet because you know, I'm just, I'm still not a hundred percent bought in and sold on like Luther Burden is this
48:39like premium dynasty asset you have to own. I mean, like you mentioned that the first half was awesome.
48:45I am a hater. I think I am like, I am like a coined Luther Burden hater now, but you mentioned it well, right?
48:52Like the first half was awesome. It was great.
48:55He didn't see anything. The second half, like he just, he evaporated from the game.
48:59And that's not saying that like, you know, some other game he can do nothing in the first half and then come on the scene for you.
49:07The second half, it's just like, I'm yet to see the usage for Luther Burden as far as, you know, snap rate,
49:14opportunity share, all the things that come down to it to warrant the kind of prices I see him go for on the dynasty market.
49:21Now, if we're within a realm of reality here and we're all playing in like a league economy of people that aren't
49:28delusional and suddenly willing to pay three firsts for so sorry, I'm going to throw some strays out there.
49:34It like not willing to pay two, three firsts for an unproven player that had a good five game stretch at the end of the last season.
49:42Like, yeah, yeah. I'll give you a late first for Luther Burden.
49:46That's totally fine. Like a mid first, I think, I think is, I think it's a fair argument.
49:51I think it's a fair argument. I think you could probably get a player in the mid first round that sees as
49:58much opportunity, if not more than Luther Burden. Now, is he going to do as much as Luther Burden's doing with it?
50:04Does he have the Ben Johnson name and the Caleb Williams name and all this stuff behind him that gets everybody excited?
50:11I don't know. But yeah, I'm still at a late first.
50:14Like, I'm definitely not giving up the 104 or 105 for Luther Burden right now, but you guys can flame me and all the comments.
50:22I mean, look, if you want to make the argument for Roma Dunze versus Luther Burden, like Roma Dunze still had more
50:28opportunity share in this offense this year than Luther Burden has.
50:32He hasn't been as efficient with it, but like, well, what, what Rome is doing in this offense right now is pulling gravity.
50:38That's what he's doing. That's what Roma Dunze does in this offense.
50:42There's way more gravity towards what Roma Dunze is doing in this offense than anybody else.
50:47Right. For sure. Regardless of what you think of Roma Dunze as a player, right?
50:51He he's kind of sets the rest of this, the table for, for this off.
50:56At least that's kind of how I've taken away from it.
50:59So Shiv, you can either add onto that, but then where is Luther Burden in the hierarchy of early mid or first
51:06picks for you here in 27, man? Listen, I'm going mid first for Luther Burden because the skillset, the skillset is so tantalizing.
51:13And to your point, to your point, Rome is Rome is the table setter.
51:17Rome is the guy that makes that. Hey, if we have to line Luther Burden up against Christian Gonzalez, do I think it's going to go really well?
51:25Very often? Probably not. But if we're moving him around, we're getting, we're giving him the opportunity to catch and run and
51:32display the yards after the catch, the, the ability, the stop, start ability.
51:36And yeah, I'm, I'm rolling Luther Burden and let's say that he was in a different, let's say he was in a
51:43different environment where he was going to get 120 targets.
51:46What do you think would happen? The type of efficiency that he's displayed, what do you think happens?
51:51Do you think it's more wide receiver three with wide receiver two upside?
51:55Or do you think he's probably top 10 to 15?
51:58I would guess top 10 to 15. So, and we know that things change rapidly in dynasty.
52:03So I would, I would bet that he's going to, he's going to continue to thrive.
52:08So I'm going mid first. I've seen it. I sinked it.
52:11And I'm, I'm really, really, really excited about it.
52:14Yeah. I would, I'm, I'm there with you. I'm, I can give the mid first for, for, um, Luther Burden of just,
52:21you know, being somebody who can catch some, catch some volume here and there and be pretty efficient with it and break some big ones.
52:28Um, before we move to the quarterbacks, cause I think it's a fun conversation to end with.
52:33Um, Stan, you had mentioned Hampton. We had mentioned Hampton a few times and he's, you know, part of that 26 class
52:40that we were going to have this conversation with is a Mario on Hampton.
52:44Somebody as a contender, if you have the, the, the late first that you would be willing to still purchase, or are
52:51you guys out, out on the chargers and Hampton?
52:53Obviously not, if you're a contender, not looking on Hampton to necessarily do anything for you now, it'd be a luxury buy, um, per se.
53:01And if it works out, it works out at the end of this year after they simplify things.
53:06But is Hampton worth spending some future capital on right now, or are you trying to let the bottom fall out even further?
53:13Well, this is a really good question that we talked a little bit about pre-show because I'm seeing a ton of questions
53:20come my way of like, Hey, I've set my team up.
53:23Well, I have three 27 firsts. Like someone's willing to just get rid of Hampton for what I think is going to
53:30be the one 11 right now, because it's on an ultimate contending juggernaut.
53:34Should I just do it? Like, what are the odds?
53:37And I think in that specific circumstance, yeah, I will give up a late first for Hampton.
53:42And knowing what I know there, I think if you only have one 27 first, and that's potentially your best bargaining chip
53:48of either the end of the season to push your chips in as a contender, or to maybe, you know, use in
53:55a, in a big blockbuster to retool your roster, come the off season, say you win the league or, or come close,
54:02then it's a no, because I think at least from where we are today, I think Hampton's value can go lower.
54:08Like people are always like, it's bottomed out. It can't go any lower.
54:12I don't think so. I mean, if it continues the way it's been right now towards the end of the season and
54:19you haven't seen any change, I mean, can you even like justify sending a mid 27 second for Hampton?
54:24Like probably not. Right. Hmm. What'd you think, Shep?
54:27I mean, Stan saying pull over. I don't like, we can't pull over anymore.
54:31I think, but I, I genuinely think that it could get worse.
54:35It can get worse. I just like, that's the, that's the, it now is not, this is, this is almost, this is
54:41a sunk cost season for the chargers. And while I don't think that they'll move on from him, it's not going, I
54:48don't think it's going to, it's going to rebound in a, unless they make a slam dunk higher as you know, as
54:55the offensive coordinator, or if they move on from khakis Harbaugh to hire these wonder kids like Grant Udinski or Declan Doyle
55:01goes and gets, you know, goes and gets a head coaching job, then I, I just don't see one.
55:07If you're a contender, you're buying him and in the hopes that it returns on value, but you could just go get
55:14someone right now that might not be getting the opportunity that you know is going to, that you feel better about their prospects of ascending.
55:21So I would not buy him right now. All right.
55:24All right. Let's end with this. And we don't, it doesn't have to get too, too deep, but Stan, you kind of brought this up.
55:32We've been thinking about it. There's a lot of quarterbacks in the 27 class.
55:36Or at least proposed quarterbacks right now is if, if we move forward with it.
55:40And there's been some rising and falling and guys up and guys down.
55:44But when you look at the overall landscape of it, there, there's going to be an influx next year in the first
55:51and the second round of, of picks. And there's, you know, there's some QB opening spots.
55:56You have the Steelers that we don't know exactly who's going to be.
56:00We think maybe somebody on the team, but jets are, are one that they don't have a quarterback dolphins, maybe Cleveland, potentially Indy.
56:07Um, absolutely. And Tennessee, Tennessee question mark, Philadelphia question mark, Arizona, Minnesota question mark.
56:11Um, and now, you know, some of those teams won't necessarily be picking.
56:15It doesn't look like Cleveland is going to pick super high.
56:18Steelers aren't going to pick high, but they might, they think they, maybe they have a guy, um, jets maybe will be
56:25probably potentially mid pack, but they've dropped a couple of games here recently.
56:29Indy could dismantle and be lower. Um, so generally with the landscape of quarterbacks and, and how much is coming in and what's going to change next year?
56:37Is there any buys or sells at the quarterback position that you guys would be interested in on?
56:42Like, I mean, we, you guys were, we were just talking about LA and Herbert, um, you know, Hertz is out right now.
56:49Um, is there anybody who you think is going to be really affected by the landscape change that you would either want
56:56to get in or get out on general thoughts on how this 27 class will impact, uh, the quarterback position in the NFL.
57:03Now the issue, the issue is that we were promised this incredible quarterback class headlined by Arch Manning.
57:08Now the hopes are resting on Dante Moore, who's currently hurt drew Mestemaker potentially.
57:13Now everybody sees there all of a sudden, everybody sees it back week one.
57:17You guys were shitting just shitting bricks because he didn't play well.
57:20So, I mean, I love you. You guys know that.
57:23So, uh, he might not even come out this year though.
57:27Neither could Arch. So then we're left with so many more questions.
57:30Darian Mensah. I don't, I like Darian Mensah if he goes to Arizona or the dolphins or the jet, like it's all
57:37of the guys that could be affected by this or guys that aren't, you're not having to pay premiums for the guy who gets probably squeezed by this.
57:45The worst is Kirk cousins. Hmm. Like the, the, the sneaky, the sneaky vets, the Geno Smiths, the Kirk cousins.
57:51I think Malik Willis, if they continue to stink it up, they're going to, they're going to try to move on.
57:58Cause I mean, 67 million total, I believe is not a huge number.
58:02So they can have another quarterback on that roster and keep them.
58:05Yeah. And I mean, he could be, he could be, but those are the guys that get squeezed more so than the,
58:12the Hertz's of the world, even though for some reason people think that, well, I guess he doesn't have any guaranteed money after this year.
58:19So that's, that's the biggest, that's it. Herbert's not going anywhere where we let's, let's not be silly guys.
58:25Unless you request a trade, he's not going or doesn't want to play anymore, which I don't think that that's necessarily.
58:31I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true either.
58:35I was just a, that is a, a magnitude of ineptitude that I didn't realize was possible with what they're doing right
58:41now, but it's not, it's not a reflection of how good he is at quarterback to be honest with you.
58:47Is he playing bad? Yes. But also he's very good at football.
58:51The biggest, like Hertz is the biggest domino that has to fall with what the organization does with him or what, what
58:58transpires with his health over the course of the next nine months or so.
59:02So that's, that's the biggest one for me. I don't think any, any of the other spots, I don't think that, I
59:09don't think that we're going to move on from cam ward regardless of how this goes, unless you just go one in
59:1516 and he just regresses to just being a turnover machine and doing his best Nathan Peterman impersonation.
59:21So, yeah. I'm looking, I'm looking at Casey's Casey's direction with that Niners hat on right now and saying, I think the
59:27guys that affects the most are your potential like QB rehab, you know, second chance guys, Mac Jones being the guy, right?
59:34Like I thought for sure, Mac Jones is going to get a starting job in the NFL coming out this next season.
59:40Now, if a ton of people dip on quarterback, then maybe Mac Jones is less.
59:45That's going to have to be the Cleveland's, the Minnesota's of the world who price themselves out of contention for a top
59:52end pick and then just go buy the quarterback in the, but probably still get a good deal on it.
59:58So it could, could have good roster construction and in a way, if you feel confident about that, maybe a better way to go.
60:05But sorry, Stan, go ahead. No, no. It's just like, I think those are the most interesting guys of like, are they going to be worth anything?
60:13I know, you know, we, we've just mentioned Mac Jones.
60:16I think JJ McCarthy ironically is like kind of playing himself into that conversation right now.
60:21Like I always thought like, okay, he'll come in.
60:23If he's flashes for a game or two here, you know, then the off season, the giants might be able to sell them for more than a fifth.
60:32Right. And, and they still got dart on their roster, but it's like, well, uh, I, no, I'm not, I'm definitely not
60:39saying that McCarthy's out playing dart right now, but he's definitely not looking bad.
60:43Like I'll, I'll give them that much. Um, and, and then I think, you know, you saw a short stint of it
60:49at the beginning of the season, but like, are the drew locks, Jacoby Brissett's of the world, like going to have any
60:56place in this league after this next draft class, depending on how many quarterbacks we do see come out.
61:02I think those are the ones that I'm more worried about maybe than the big names.
61:07Yeah, no, I think, you know, what'll happen is, is I think the guys like Gino, Jacoby, Kirk, those are going to
61:13be the guys who went all the chairs, musical chairs ends.
61:16Um, and somebody gets left in the cold without a guy that they feel great about.
61:21They'll, they'll just go there again, you know, and, and play for, play for them.
61:26I mean, is there any world though, that Pittsburgh here, like they just don't seem like they want to really do the young quarterback thing.
61:33Like, are, are they not the prime candidate to pick up one of those quarterback rehab guys and enroll with him?
61:40Just like they had Rogers because they don't think they're that far away.
61:44I mean, they're five and two right now with a 42 year old man.
61:48Like if they win a lot this year with the roster that they have, I mean, they're pretty old.
61:54Um, they're all oldest, you know, but, and maybe at some point they just say, Hey, we're going to reset.
62:00But if they, if things go well, I mean, they could do that again.
62:04I think they feel pretty good about the two guys they have there and Howard and Aller, as far as bringing them along and giving them a chance.
62:12But, you know, could, could Kirk cousins come in there for a season next year?
62:17Um, I don't think it'll be Mac Jones, but maybe, I mean, Pittsburgh doesn't like to be unstable.
62:22You know, I think I'm just going to throw it out there.
62:26And I know maybe last night made some other people feel a little bit better, but like guys, I, I think there's
62:32a very real world where Sam Darnold is not the starting quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks next year.
62:38And if you're talking about like, what's the implication of quarterbacks, that should be one of the top ones.
62:43And I don't say that because I dislike Sam Darnold or I think the organization dislikes Sam Darnold or whatever, but I
62:50think you saw drew lock be super efficient in that short game stretch.
62:54You see how elite this defense is. They're going to have to extend him this off season.
62:59If they want to, I mean, technically he's got a year left on his deal, but I would doubt he plays on
63:06that, you know, in the current quarterback landscape and like if the turnover problem persists, which I know we won last night,
63:12but like, again, I had a short palpitation of, is this going completely back the other direction when Sam Darnold throws that
63:19pick at the end of the first half? And like, he has still been unable to eliminate turnovers from his game.
63:25I think there's a very real world where like the organization looks at him at the end of the year and goes,
63:32I mean, you've already got eight interceptions on the season.
63:35You don't think of Sam Darnold, you know, which he's on track to right now, throws 16, 17 picks this year.
63:41And somehow it ends up being the downfall of the season that the Seahawks this off season don't look at a different quarterback option.
63:49I do. Yeah, I think, I think there's going to be some later.
63:52I think there's going to be a volume of quarterbacks and like you said, maybe some of them end up going back,
63:59but like, I think there'll be a volume of quarterbacks on the later, lower first, early seconds that are possibilities that are
64:06kind of fun guys that could, you know, we were talking about the other day, the dude from SMU, Kevin Jennings.
64:12Yeah. Like he's not a first round player, but like somebody he's interesting.
64:16Right. And he could, you know, he could be somebody Daniels, that thing up for sure.
64:21Right. Yeah. Last question. And we'll get out of here.
64:24I know this wasn't like following along of exactly what we were doing today, but I thought it was a good bit of a conversation.
64:31But like, do you think the Ravens are getting a little tired of Lamar Jackson?
64:36Like I, I hate this is not a conversation I like to have.
64:40And I think it's a little silly, but like, I don't know.
64:43It seems like he should have fucking played this week.
64:46And I can't tell you who's healthy, who isn't healthy.
64:49I just feel like a lot of quarterbacks play when they're not a hundred percent.
64:54And I feel like Lamar is almost refusing to play if he's not a hundred percent in some weird way.
65:00Is there any, either one of you feel, I don't know.
65:03It just feels weird at the moment with Lamar Jackson and I've championed this guy.
65:08I think he's awesome. Like I am not trying to in any way, shape or form throw any shade necessarily, but as
65:14the organ, it's already been a little weird him in that organization.
65:18Like, is there any chance that Lamar Jackson is, is an, and Jalen hurts are on a different team next year.
65:24Yeah. Yeah. It's possible. I mean, you could see that NFL turn into the modern day NBA and everyone's swapping players every year.
65:31But, um, I will say I wasn't as worried about Lamar Jackson.
65:35I, he definitely has had his struggles with the injuries here, but like, if you do pull up quarterback average value right now, right.
65:42For contracts, you are looking at a list and I'll just read it of, you know, Patrick Mahomes is at top.
65:48Then you got Dak Prescott, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Brock Purdy, Justin Herbert.
65:55Then you have Lamar Jackson. I would say for like when Lamar Jackson is playing at his ceiling level, which is league
66:02MVP, you have him on a pretty good deal here.
66:05I mean, he falls outside of that top 10 of highest paid quarterbacks and like, you're going to have other quarterbacks get
66:12paid this off season, I'm sure extended again. And so how much further does he fall down that list?
66:17Now I'm not telling you that like the injuries aren't a problem or maybe there's some other conversation going on there, but
66:24I would say objectively the value you're getting out of Lamar at that cost is bare minimum fair, if not pretty good value, right?
66:31Like you'd be hard to argue that you need to pay Dak Prescott 10 million more a year than Lamar Jackson, even
66:38though I know Dak's been more available this season.
66:40She have final thoughts and we'll get out of here.
66:43I think this is just a, this is just a case of him not playing within the sandbox that the organizations and the, the back, the backroom handshakes.
66:52He doesn't have an agent. He's not there negotiating.
66:55He's negotiating basically for a new contract. So he's saying, look, I'm not healthy.
66:59I'm not gonna go out there and potentially destroy my future earnings.
67:02And you don't want, you're not committing to me long-term it's business that's being played out in a very public perspective.
67:09And you only get to hear one portion of the story.
67:12So I think that, yeah, it's gotten weird with the organization before.
67:16It's probably going to get weird again when we enter into these, these talks, they'll probably refuse to play on a franchise
67:22tag and hold out or do whatever the case may be.
67:26I mean, we saw last year that he requested, I mean, we saw, excuse me, during the last negotiation, he requested a
67:32trade and no team was willing to trade for him.
67:35And so you can see that there's some sort of, there's some sort of media presence that covers Lamar Jackson in a
67:42much different way because of the fact that he doesn't have the media of your agent coming out and putting out the
67:48positive propaganda and then maybe, maybe defending him or painting the portrait in a different light that you would see from several
67:55other quarterbacks that are represented by the Drew Rosen houses and the David Milliguetas and all those guys.
68:01So it's a, it's a little weird, but I mean, he's just, he's protecting himself and looking for, looking out for his best interest in that.
68:08When it doesn't, when the best interest of the player doesn't align with what the best interest of the organization is, it's
68:15always going to look a little weird. And that's just kind of my opinion on it.
68:20Like you said, nobody's carrying water for him as, as they say.
68:23Right. And it has been weird before. And so that all good, well-rounded points there.
68:28All right. We'll wrap this one up. We'll be back tomorrow.
68:31Me and Stan are going to talk about some mustaches and some cheap buy lows for your pleasure.
68:37You can catch Stan at the Dynasty price check on Twitter or anywhere you can find stuff.
68:42You can find Shev anywhere. The FF Dynasty is download the league champ app.
68:46If you haven't, we'll catch you guys next week.
68:49Peace.

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