0:00Well, unlike Patrick Mahomes, one of us on this panel is indeed the best ever.
0:05It's a pretty interesting day in games, I thought.
0:08Been a long time since there's been like six running back plays that were really good.
0:13Been a long time since there were like eight wide receivers who were in play.
0:18And Sammy, probably the weirdest thing about cash was there was actually not a, in my opinion, of all the tight ends
0:25you could have played in cash, I think they were probably all bad.
0:29I think if you had reworked your entire lineup around to get tried, I think you played bad.
0:35Don't really think there was any way to play Bowers in cash.
0:39I don't and obviously of all the guys that people did play Hunter Henry sucked, Kate Otten sucked and Mark Andrews sucked.
0:46It was all it was all up, down and around.
0:49It was all it was all it was all bad.
0:52It was all bad. Just really, really incredible. I mean, who did you have as like the, the must plays?
0:59Cause I think that's maybe more interesting. Cause you, you probably, you probably worked around whoever like the must plays in cash were.
1:06Yeah. I mean, I think I thought it was Puka.
1:10You ended up not playing Puka. So, um, that's off.
1:13Not, I don't think, I don't think Puka was, was, I think Puka was a really good play.
1:19The thing that you have to remember about playing Puka Nakua was that he was playing the Los Angeles Chargers, a team incapable of scoring an offensive touchdown.
1:28So how many pass attempts are we even going to get?
1:31I think that was a key part of the Puka thing.
1:35It was a key part. Um, but his, uh, I wish Nate was here, but his whopper is just so significant.
1:42His whopper is very significant. Yeah. As opposed to, you know, just, just playing the Bengals wide receiver too, which you did.
1:49Fortunately, you knew that the offense, the Tennessee Titans had such crazy offensive firepower that they would push the Bengals to the limit.
1:56Um, so that was, that was a really good job by you, but you know, for, for me, I thought it was, I thought it was, uh, Puka.
2:05I thought it was Braylon Allen and I thought it was Ramondre and you know, Wanda was kind of close.
2:12I just thought Wanda for his price kind of just like made cash lineups work.
2:17It wasn't like I was expecting a smash. Obviously he got the touchdown at the end, which kind of made his day.
2:24Um, but he was getting plenty of volume. You know, you play a $4,200 receiver and you're like, okay, like this is,
2:31this is what I signed up for. So ran a little bit good there, but you know, at the end of the
2:38day, I thought there was a lot of different things you could do.
2:42And I agree with you about tight end. I didn't like any of the tight end stuff.
2:48Um, and so I played a play that I knew was bad because Mark Andrews himself is just completely dust.
2:54Uh, but I knew he was better than Kate Otten who is also completely dust.
2:59And, uh, you know, if you played a tight end on a team that didn't complete a single pass the entire game, you deserve to lose.
3:08Okay. Okay. Honestly, honestly, the Buccaneers guys being values again after last week is truly like the most, like God has a
3:15sense of humor thing of all time. Hey, Don's Kate on his price goes up $200.
3:20Right. And then I think Ted Hearst price went up, I think $400 from where it was last week.
3:26They were both showing in optimals. Frankly, the thing that saved people from playing Ted Hearst and Kate Odden was Cardinal Tate not playing.
3:34If I, I guys promise you, I promise you beyond a shadow of a doubt, Cardinal Tate plays in this game.
3:41You're not playing Wanda. You, you guys are, we're all playing Ted Hearst.
3:45We're all playing kid. I, I promise you guys, people are playing those Buccaneers guys.
3:50And again, it was it's, I don't even actually think this is true.
3:54I actually don't think it's fair to say, when are we going to learn on the box Sims love the Baker?
4:01Like we're going to talk about this later. Cause I played a very funny, um, I played a very funny bucks team
4:08and in GBPs, but it was just so funny that they literally went again.
4:12The first team to win a game in over 50 years, not completing a pass and they went 16 to zero against the Falcons.
4:20So the way that I was thinking of it was, I actually thought there were a fair amount of quarterbacks you could have played in cash.
4:29I was not going to do it, but I thought you could have played Jacoby.
4:33Obviously I think Dak, I mean, we had Dak as the second highest overall projected guy on run the Sims.
4:40I didn't think there was any way to get to burrow.
4:44I certainly think you could have played Trevor Lawrence.
4:46I think you could have played Drake May I did not play, uh, any, I did not consider playing Lamar cause I thought he was too expensive.
4:55So I just settled on, um, I just settled on Mr.
4:59Dakota rain Prescott. I mean, he was, he was like giga mega jammed in, in cash.
5:04Like I think everyone pretty like, so the, the thing that was more interesting than quarterback though, is look at the amount of insane running back plays.
5:13So the 8k running backs were not in play at all.
5:16Right. Gibbs, Bijan Walker, 0% in play. But then you had talk about why that is.
5:21I thought it was true. Uh, considering the pricing of this slate, like we, we just didn't have like a lot of like really stone low values.
5:30It was tough to get in, but like, I don't know.
5:34I'll, I'll bet people played these guys. I think it, I honestly, I mean, I can defer to Nate on this, but
5:41I think the reason why, so Gibbs was in a horrible matchup.
5:45Bijan was in a bad matchup and Walker was in a bad matchup.
5:49They were, they were, they were like legitimately all in bad matchups, bad.
5:53Like the lions team total, I think was like six points lower than their seasonal average.
5:58The total of that, um, Atlanta Tampa Bay game fell by like four points this morning when the wet, when the wind started coming down.
6:06And the chiefs had like a fricking 19 point team total.
6:10Like it just, they were all bad spots. Then you had Braylon in a giga spot.
6:15You had chase Brown in an unbelievable spot. You had Javante in an unbelievable spot.
6:20You had Bucky in a great spot. You had tootin in a great spot.
6:25You had Ramondre Ramondre in like the spot of spot Ramondre failing in this spot was just so good because it was
6:32like against the dolphins with all the pass catchers out.
6:35So Trevion Henderson is out just like the true spot of all time for Ramondre and he gets like 11 points or whatever, which is, is so funny.
6:44Um, and then that's not even sweat is the worst thing in the entire world.
6:49When you have Ramondre watching him play is just the most frustrating.
6:53And then watching Drake may fake to him at the two yard line.
6:57I mean, and then watching them throw a 51.
7:00I mean, the end of that game, the end of that half, I mean, I was, that was the most tilted I've been in a long time.
7:09That Ramondre game was unbelievable because he was the play.
7:12You had to play Ramondre. You, you had to, you had to play Ramondre.
7:16I think Davis, Davis, give me, give me a Ramondre player comp.
7:20Like another, like another sport or, or like, no, no, no, no, no.
7:25Like, like another running back. Is he like David Montgomery ask?
7:28Like, who is he? Um, cause he's kind of fat.
7:31David Montgomery is the Isaiah Pacheco of David Johnson's something like that.
7:35Yeah, no, he's the, he's the Carlo. He's the Carlos Hyde.
7:39Um, there we go. He's, he's very Carlos Hyde ask.
7:42He's, he's the car because it's like, you want to have a, like, who's like the final version of Ramondre?
7:49Well, you know what he is. He's the Carlos Hyde of Kenneth walkers where, where he's a big bodied guy.
7:55He can, you can definitely use them in the passing game.
7:59He's a very competent pass blocker, but unlike these other players, he has absolutely no explosion at all.
8:04See, I don't even think, I didn't think Leonard Fournette is fair.
8:08Fournette was a very explosive runner. Eddie Lacey was a very good short yardage runner.
8:13Ramondre's not good at any. He was explosive. Like in his early days.
8:17Correct. He, he just, I mean, basically he just was not good at, um, he he's just, he's just not, I mean,
8:24the issue is, is he's just not any good.
8:27And then, uh, you also had, I mean, this was too thin for me in cash.
8:33I know one of the guys in my chat this morning, uh, shout out if I remember James bean.
8:39He, he played Jonah Coleman instead of the chase Brown spot so that he could play Puka chase and Zay flowers.
8:46And he also played gunner helm at tight end, which I actually did look at.
8:50And I ended up playing gunner helm in the double spy.
8:54So the $200 single entry I played, I played gunner.
8:57And we're going to get to that line up here in a little bit.
9:02Cause it's a real, it's a real, uh, sunny side of the bus, uh, sad side of the bus meme situation on, on that team.
9:10Um, but like, I, I actually thought helm was totally defensible because Nate, these tight ends, this has got to be the
9:17worst slate of projecting tight ends of all time.
9:20Like it's, it's on, they were all bad. They were, every tight end was bad.
9:25Yeah. There was no, there was no good. There was no good.
9:29I, I, I didn't want to play Andrews. I mean, I think I was telling you guys beforehand, like I partially wanted
9:36to play for like the Parkinson news. Luckily I didn't.
9:39Um, I, I also, I also thought about playing Tyler Higbee for the Parkinson news and very, very, very, very, very glad I did not do that.
9:48Yeah. I think the Tyler Higbee ship, that one has left the dock.
9:52It's in the middle of the ocean. Well, well, we're going to talk, let's, let's actually save the Rams thought.
9:58Cause I have, I actually have some thoughts on, on the Rams that we'll do here in a second.
10:05But yeah, I mean, Hunter Henry ended up being the most owned tight end in cash.
10:10Uh, you know, was he 32%? Yeah. I would have, I would have thought Andrews was.
10:15Andrews was only 20%, at least in the massive $25.
10:18And then, uh, Otten was only 13% and then strange was 10%.
10:22So this is so disappointing because Davis told us that Otten was in the train this morning.
10:28He said, that's the train with Kate Otten. And I'm like, Oh, we're going to win all the money.
10:34This is awesome. So the most, the most duped lineup was not my lineup because I did not play the train.
10:41Um, the most duped lineup in, uh, in, in the massive $50 double up was Dak Prescott, a quarterback.
10:47Uh, it was, it was, yes, it was, it was Nate's team.
10:51So which I'm going to, I'm going to wait and not spoil.
10:54Yeah, it was, it was that team. So I, I, I thought the industry was more on Otten over Andrews.
11:01And I think that while I, I agree that Andrews is like a total dust ball, the potential for a touchdown, the
11:08potential for like volume in this game was way, way better than this Tampa Bay thing.
11:13The Tampa Bay thing last week, wasn't just a, an anomaly.
11:17Like it was, it was clearly like low range, but it was also indicative of what they're trying to do.
11:23They just want to run the ball down your throat and they don't like, they don't want Baker to throw the wall.
11:30And so that's different than the jets earlier. I don't, I, I know there was, it was a fucking monsoon, Nate.
11:37I'm not. No, that's two weeks in a row that we've seen them literally just go, okay.
11:43They were up by a billion. They were up by a gazillion points.
11:47No, no. Nate, you're being a fish right now.
11:50You are having a fish brain. You were, you were obviously swimming around in a bowl.
11:55No pass completions is obviously an anomaly. But what I'm saying is it, there is some signal in there.
12:01There is some signal in that they don't need to or want to pass.
12:06No, there, there is. No, there is. In a Lamar based in a Lamar based Ravens team.
12:11If Lamar's not out the first play of this game, it's, I just think Andrews is a much better play than Otten.
12:18No, no. I think, I think that what you're saying, the, the, the overall point you're making that Andrews is a better play than Otten, I completely agree.
12:27I, I, I like you, you're not going to find anything there from me on, on that, but I, I am, I am right.
12:35That, that this is just all time, like literal all time randomness from the buck.
12:40But it's not just, there is some signal in that they are not, they are not trying to pass the ball heavily to score.
12:48If they can't just run the ball with Bucky, they will.
12:51They literally could not throw. They like passes were incapable of being completed today.
12:56Someone, someone just said this in the chat that they were playing with leather.
13:01Yes. The Buccaneers are playing with leather helmets on today.
13:04That is exactly what happened. It was impossible for there to be forward throws.
13:08There were, there were. I understand that. I'm just saying there is some signal in this.
13:13It's it. Yes, there is. It was an extreme outlier, but it doesn't.
13:18All right. Hey, what, what line, what line can I get on?
13:22Um, uh, Baker Mayfield dropbacks the next two weeks bears lions.
13:25Can I get, can I get 85 combined dropbacks in those two games from, from Baker Mayfield?
13:31Cause I'd like to book that line with you.
13:34No, no, I will go. I will go. I will go under a hundred dollars.
13:38I will. Two hundred dollars. No, no, no, no, no.
13:42I want some of this action. Come on. Davis.
13:45This is a terrible bet. 85, 85 is too many.
13:4885 is too many. That's 80. That's 42 and a half.
13:5142 and a half. Per game. I will take under.
13:55Okay. What, what, uh, what would, what would your number be?
13:58A fair line is like 72, 60, 60. I would take the over for sure.
14:0360. I would take the over. I think 72.
14:06I think Ben Johnson's 70, 72, 72. I'll do a hundred dollars with you 72.
14:11The next two games. No, I'm not saying that.
14:14I wanted to take your under on the 85.
14:17Like, okay. Well, guess what? 72 is a lot more fucking dropbacks than saying they don't ever want to throw the ball ever again.
14:24So you just hoisted yourself with your own petard, Nate.
14:28You just admitted that I was right. There is some signal in what we're seeing and it's not just randomness.
14:34And I do think that there is like very, very, very minimal signal, like true, like, like maybe like 1% signal, 99% noise.
14:42Move on. We're not going to keep having this.
14:45I think there's, well, I'll just go ahead. Let's just go ahead and, and, and say, let's see.
14:50You played, you played wild. I can't believe you.
14:53No, I just easily dunked on you guys again because I play so fucking good.
14:58Cause I'm so good at this. I played Dakota rain, Prescott, chase Brown, Braylon Allen, Jamar chase, Zay flowers, Wondell Robinson, Hunter
15:05Henry, or Mondra Stevenson and the Denver Broncos defense.
15:08The two V two that I played versus you guys was instead of playing the aforementioned Kate Otten or Mark Andrews, I
15:15said, Hey, why don't I play a guy who actually is a big part of his team's passing offense had the first
15:22two completions of the game for the new England Patriots before injuring his foot and in the second quarter and not returning.
15:30Uh, and then why don't I just play Ja'Marr Chase who is going to have the most explosion game of all time against the Tennessee Titans.
15:38He indeed did have the biggest, like actually, I guess his own teammate outscored him in the end because Higgins scored, uh,
15:45finally, um, and their, their final possession and overtime.
15:48I just thought Hunter Henry was so much better than playing Mark Andrews or Kate Otten.
15:53I actually had on when I swapped off of this, maybe, maybe if I was more woke to Andrews, I actually would
16:00not have played this team in the end, but to me, I just thought Jamar chase was if not as good of
16:07a play as Puka, like right, right up next to it.
16:11Chase was like my favorite tournament play. I didn't play any Puka in tournaments.
16:16I, I just wanted to play the Titans, the Titans stink, but more importantly, the Cincinnati Bengals can't run the ball.
16:22So their only way of generating offense is throwing the ball.
16:26I don't, I just thought chase is 7,700. I mean, I, not that I don't, I don't think you guys played poorly.
16:33I think your team was fine. I just, it's fucking Jamar chase.
16:37And I just didn't want to play Mark Andrews, man.
16:40Sue me, sue me. I've seen, I've seen enough of Mark Andrews in my life, man.
16:45I've seen enough. I get it, buddy. I totally get it.
16:49I think the difference between chase and, and Puka just, just holistically, maybe not in this matchup, but like chase can disappear.
16:56He has games where he, where he disappears and Puka legitimately like never does.
17:01He just never disappears. Like his floor is so much higher.
17:04Forget about that. That's right about that. That's right about.
17:07So this is how we run the Sims had Puka for 23.4 Jamar chase for 21.2.
17:13I think that's about right. That to me, that, that sounds about right.
17:17Yeah. And so I felt more comfortable with Puka.
17:20Obviously he was like $900 more, but I didn't love Hunter Henry.
17:24I mean, you know, he's, he's essentially getting cucked by, by Reardon in like many senses to the point where he's not
17:31like what he was, you know, a year or two ago.
17:34Andrew sucks. Otten sucks. Like all these guys sucked.
17:37Maybe it was right to, to go to Henry, but I didn't think the difference was that great where I was willing to like eat it.
17:46Um, you did and, and you had some courage.
17:49I'm happy for you. I just, I like it's, it was also one of those slates where I was, my decision in
17:56cash was being colored by what I was trying to do in tournaments.
18:00And chase was like, I wanted to jam chase in tournaments and I didn't want to play at all in tournaments.
18:07You know, like it was one of those where like I spent all morning working on my tournament teams come back to cash.
18:14And I'm like, I just spent the last 90 minutes figuring out how to get Jamar chase teams.
18:20Why am I trying to spend an extra 900 bucks on Puka Nakuwa when I have to make a sacrifice that I
18:27don't want to make to, to get there? You know what I'm saying?
18:31I asked this like, not just to be dumb, but like how many did you plan on Jamar chase running over twice
18:38as many routes as, as Puka Nakuwa? Oh yes.
18:41This was actually the thing I wanted to get to.
18:45This is, I, I actually told Sammy this right before you hopped on.
18:49I wanted to wait to talk about this. The fact that the chargers are the worst team in football, like straight up,
18:56like they are incapable of generating a first down at this point, I actually do think should trim back your overall play expectation for the Rams.
19:04And also the Rams have done this the most recent, like they did this last week and they did it now.
19:11They, they are negative pass rate over expectation. They were negative PROE last week.
19:16They're negative PROE this week. I think it's pretty clear what they want to do, which is actually I just listened to Sean McVay.
19:23They were just playing his press conference on, um, on red zone.
19:27And he basically was kind of like, yeah, dude, we're, we're a fucking mash unit right now.
19:33Like we don't have any of our guys. We are, we are trying to survive.
19:38Like we are, we, I believe he literally said, uh, survive in advance.
19:42So it's like, they're, they're just trying to, they are not, there's no running up the score.
19:47Like they were, they were up 24 to nine for the entire fourth quarter.
19:52I think they, I think they threw the ball twice in the fourth quarter.
19:57Maybe, maybe not even twice in the fourth quarter.
19:59I can't remember when their last pass attempt came, they got, they got the ball back with six minutes left and did not attempt a forward pass.
20:08They did. They, they, they threw one to Davis Allen on third and five.
20:13My bad. Yeah. A little, a little, a little bullshit ass pass, but the point remains, they just wanted to grind it out.
20:20It's like, it's like, you know who I also didn't play today.
20:24Uh, I didn't play Travis Kelsey. I didn't play Rashi Rice.
20:28I didn't play Ken Walker. I didn't play Patrick Mahomes cause these guys, they're, they're, they're operating of, and it's actually very
20:35funny cause they blew that game in the end.
20:38Well, so bad. Um, but like worst, worst loss chiefs or Cowboys.
20:42I mean, it's the Cowboys of course, but yeah, I'm not like I'm in no way saying Puka is a bad play like that.
20:49I'm not, not, not an iterative part of what I'm saying.
20:53It's just that I do think the insane, crazy 40 point ceiling games for Puka are a little bit harder to access
21:00when you're playing a pathetic team that can't score.
21:03And you also yourself don't have the impetus to do the high flying stuff.
21:07Cause you're all your guys are dead. How funny is it that we're sitting here and we're like, you know, uh, the,
21:15the Tennessee Titans can push the bangles, but the Rams are playing the chargers.
21:19They, they're not going to put it. But like, it's, there is some legitimacy to it, but I will also say Vegas has not adjusted then.
21:28And Davis should be taking Rams unders in every game moving forward.
21:31If you really believe this take, because the Rams still had a very high team total.
21:37The, I mean, Puka legitimately is the only offensive weapon they have when they pass the ball.
21:42And so if you expect the Rams to only have 25 routes run for Puka, then, then yeah, I agree.
21:49Like you should bet the under on them every time.
21:52But I do think this is an anomaly. Like you got a nut low outcome from Puka and a nut high volume
21:59outcome from chase chase running 53 routes is like the top of his range and 25 routes for Puka getting 12 routes.
22:06It's like, to me, the big difference. I don't, why don't we compare you just compare whoppers?
22:12Yeah. Well, we just, the whopper cause well, I mean, Puka's whopper was 12.9 dropbacks.
22:17Yeah. I was going to say, like literally lead the league in whopper.
22:21Yeah. It was at 0.98 whopper for the week where Jamar chase had a 0.74.
22:26And so I obviously like, I mean, I don't know.
22:29Cincinnati had obviously a ton of volume. The game script played out perfectly for them, whatever.
22:34But like this was, you got like the high, high outcome for chase and you got a nut low outcome for Puka and you barely made it work.
22:43Uh, well, he also got to, well, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, barely make it work.
22:49I beat you guys by 11. So I didn't bear, I didn't barely make it work.
22:54I could have given back all of Jamar chase his fourth quarter and overtime points and still beat you just to be,
23:01to be, to be clear about that. Um, I could have just given back some of the points and still beat you.
23:08Um, and Hunter Henry also got injured and didn't play the entire second half of this game and would have beat you by even more.
23:16So just to be, to be clear on that.
23:19This is a fair point. This is a fair point.
23:22So I, I, I, I don't, I don't need you.
23:26I don't need you to say I got away with it, Nate, because I, you did, you did Mark Andrews, literally Lamar had a third three quarterback.
23:34Mark Andrews would have had a way better game.
23:37He certainly wouldn't have just dropped the touchdown. He certainly wouldn't have just, just easily gotten open and dropped it.
23:44Certainly. Yeah. I think, I think Zay flowers would have probably had a better game.
23:49I cannot look deep into my soul and say, you know what?
23:52Mark Andrews would have done a lot better. Lamar Jackson was back there.
23:57Mark Andrews is a fucking, he is a tumbleweed roll, rolling down highway brother.
24:01Like it's over. Um, I guess, I guess maybe the only way to be cash in the year 2026.
24:07What the fuck? I think the, the only other interesting thing to talk about in our lineups is that none of us played tootin.
24:15We all played chase Brown, Braylon Allen and Ramondre.
24:18I mean, or, or, or also text Davis. No, no, you were on it.
24:23And, and I don't, none of us, I don't even think consider playing Coleman either, which, um, I, I considered Coleman in like the first thing.
24:31Correct. I had, I, before we got Braylon, I had Coleman in, um, and Coleman, you know, he ended up getting there at the end.
24:39Like he was a net play. He was okay for his price.
24:43Obviously he got this massive 50 yard catch and then a touchdown, like right at the end of the game.
24:49But I don't think he was like some smash, but certainly I had him in before we got the Braylon news.
24:56But the thing I'm mad about is being a stone goddamn coward yet again, yet again, I'm a stone coward because I
25:03texted you guys this morning and I said, I'm considering Tootin straight up over chase Brown.
25:09And I didn't go for it. I stuck with the projections, you know, depending on where you look, Brown was about a
25:16point and a half better than Tootin. But the thing is that facial Tootin is good and explosive and chase Brown is just ass.
25:23And, uh, and I think he's more fragile. He's so bad.
25:27And I think he's more fragile too, because they've shown that like, at times they'll just like go to P Ryan, you know?
25:34So he's not, he's, I disagree with that. I actually don't think he's fragile at all because he still has the receiving work.
25:42He had eight receptions in this game. Tootin can like, is pretty live to like not have a reception in a given game.
25:49Now he, he functioned very well as a receiver today, but there will, there will be games where Tootin straight up, like does not have a catch.
25:58Chase Brown's going to have three touchdowns here soon.
26:01And everybody's going to be like completely missing, missing it.
26:04I, I, I don't, I'm not worried about Chase Brown at all.
26:08I think the fact that he gets 17 points, he's out there every, he's out there every snap.
26:14He's getting passing work. He's getting rushing work. He's, he does have some juice when he does have the ball and it's
26:21just not working out for touchdowns right now, but it's not like he's not, he's going to get those touchdowns.
26:28He's going to get them. And I do, I don't think he's this bad play.
26:32I don't think the projections are wrong. I think we're just seeing some like touchdown variants, not go his way.
26:39And Tootin obviously is a per touch explosive. Like Tootin has it.
26:43He's, I mean, he's unreal with the ball. He's just really, really good, but I do.
26:48I'm, I'm going to continue to play Chase Brown.
26:51I will probably keep playing Chase Brown, but I feel bad for in a slate where every running back play was good.
26:58There were like 11 running back plays that I think you could have like conceived, like you could have played, I think
27:05defensible running back plays you could have done in cash.
27:08Braylon Allen, Remondre Stevenson, Tootin, Coleman, Bucky, Chase Brown said is there six.
27:13That's a lot. Generally speaking, there normally are not that many.
27:16And to just, and to just ape into Chase Brown and be like, yeah, gotta, gotta do it.
27:22I mean, and the funniest thing about all of this is that Zay Flowers is just sitting here with a freaking is,
27:29is this is 80 is 78% the highest owned a wide receiver has been in was Michael Wilson more on the one week?
27:3778% has got to be about as high as it's been.
27:40It's got to be close and it's got to be the highest non-injury zero from this price tag.
27:46Oh, I mean, it, it, it certainly, I mean, it's, it's more owned than this zero, this Zay Flowers zero is more
27:53owned combined than the Ted Hurst plus KDOT and ownership and cash last week.
27:58It's really insane. Yeah. You know, you know, on a, on, on prize pick slash underdog, I thought I was so sharp
28:05because I took all sorts of Zay Flowers overs at 70.5 receiving yards at the beginning of the week.
28:11And then Lamar was confirmed in and it just started getting pumped and it was to the mid eighties.
28:17And I'm like, God damn, I'm so sharp. Do you guys, do you guys want to see an insane beat?
28:24And like, this is a crazy beat on underdog.
28:27So we don't want to see it. Hell yeah.
28:29So we do the, the ship chasing show, right?
28:32So we do these underdog pickums and we're, and we're sweating it.
28:36This is what we did for the second half.
28:39We did James Cook who scored, McBride who scored, Bucky who scored.
28:43This was a 38 X-er and we took Jamar Chase to get a second touchdown.
28:48And after we took Jamar Chase, T Higgins scored not once, but twice.
28:52And Burrow missed Ja'Marr Chase, who was wide open, who had just easily skinned his defender.
28:57And I don't know what Baker, I don't know what Burrow saw in that play.
29:02I could, I, I, you could watch, you could show me that play 10 times.
29:07I will not, and I will not know what Burrow saw to, to short arm that ball.
29:13But that was, um, that was a sickening one.
29:15All right. I've got some post contest Sims here.
29:18I'll show one team I played that I really liked.
29:22That was good. Uh, that made me some money.
29:25So I played a Joe Burrow, Chase Brown, Braylon Allen, Jamar Chase, Casey Concepcion instead of Godwin, uh, instead of Jacoby Lane, instead of Jeremy Bernard.
29:33I, I, I actually kind of liked KCC today.
29:36I played Wandale. I played McBride. I played Jonah Coleman in the flex and I played the Broncos defense, uh, actual ROI, 135%.
29:43Uh, the projection ROI was not great, but the SIM ROI.
29:47So the pre-lock SIM ROI on this one was really, really good.
29:51Um, I'm assuming because the Burrow doubles, all, all the Burrow doubles were Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, T Higgins, or Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Mike Kosicki.
29:59They were, they were not done with Chase Brown because Nate, I'm assuming Chase Brown stuff SIM really well for you pre
30:06and post-lock because he projected really good. No one wanted to play him.
30:11He turned the cards over. No one played him.
30:13Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chase, Chase Brown projected well. Um, and you just, the, the one reason why I would say this probably
30:21didn't SIM well post-lock is because you don't have T, right?
30:24No, no T. So T was the one who came in under owned of the whole Cincinnati thing.
30:30And so any of the Cincinnati stacks that didn't have T because Burrow actually came in under in most contests.
30:36Um, but if you didn't have T, I think that's where, yeah, I mean, you, you could have gone with IO Manor
30:44and, and got up to T Higgins in that conception.
30:47Well, I, I never, I, I just, I, I, I, I, I didn't want to do the thing I did want to do.
30:54And we'll talk about this in my next line before we get to your guys.
30:59I'll show you guys what I did do with the, um, with the Tennessee Titans.
31:04So this is what I played in the double spy.
31:07I am my, my ass is so fucking chapped because this lineup is so good.
31:12I played Lamar Jackson, Braylon Allen by shell Tootin, Jamar Chase, Zay flowers, P wash gunner helm 9% on 14 points at tight end.
31:20Jonah Coleman, 25% in the flex and the lions defense.
31:23I am just so chapped at this Lamar injury, dude.
31:26I just, I cannot believe this Lamar injury, dude.
31:29I did the first play of the game, the first play of the game, dude.
31:34Are you kidding me, man? Yeah. Hell of a run for the kid.
31:38So you played Tootin and Parker together. Yeah. If I've learned anything from Nate Noling, it's at the team level onslaught stuff
31:45does this, this was one of the, I actually couldn't get lineups to SIM that well.
31:51See Davis. Yes. The, the one thing you did do that I, that I like, it breaks the Cardinal Nate Noling rule as you played good players.
31:59Yeah. So this is what you did. You played Zay flowers, you played Hootin and those are the guys that everybody wants to play.
32:07And same with Lamar. So Lamar came in over on Tootin came in over on Zay flowers came in at 51% known
32:14in that context, but P wash was 10%. P wash was 10%.
32:18But your main stack came in like multiple percentage points.
32:21Yeah. And so it was like you, and then Tootin was the fancy running back play that everybody wanted to play that
32:29projected worse than Chase Brown and worse than all these other guys and came in higher.
32:34But gutter helm dude, 9% owned gutter helm, dude.
32:37But you played Tootin at a higher ownership. You've played since the very beginning, Davis.
32:41It's been your guy. You played Tootin at a higher ownership than Chase Brown for less projection.
32:47And so it's just one of those things of like, I get it that like, he's a better, he looks, but like,
32:54that's what everybody does in tournaments is they play the guy who looks like they have more talent, looks like they have more juice.
33:02And so. All right. Yeah. I shared, I shared one lineup that was good.
33:06One lineup that ran bad. Now we can share a lineup that is just pure fucking dog shit.
33:12Yeah, baby. This is what people want to see.
33:15This is, this is okay. So this is what I played in the big spy.
33:20Oh boy. I played, I played Baker Mayfield, zero completed passes, made sure to have the bring back though.
33:26Bijan Robinson had to get the bring back in there.
33:29Braylon P. Wash, Chris Godwin Jr. And Ted Hearst had to make sure to get Ted Hearst in there.
33:36Trey McBride, Ramondre Stevenson and the Chargers defense, a cool 34% projection neutral SIM ROI, 59% SIM ROI.
33:41I mean that, that is some dog water. That is a, this is, this is field realized?
33:47No, no, no, no. Cause you're feeling real. This is actually a great line.
33:51It is. So this was a really good, this is a good line.
33:56I was going to say this, this lineup, this lineup, this was the best SIM ROI lineup that, that I had.
34:02Dude, Baker, Bijan all came in under owned. Braylon came in under owned.
34:07This is a really good lineup. Let me tell you, let me tell you.
34:11This is going to send post lock. This is going to send post lock as in like one of the top 50 of the contest.
34:19I, I regretted this lineup. I, I literally, I shut down my stream this morning.
34:24I go upstairs. I go, uh, I, I grab a water.
34:28I come back downstairs. I turn on our ship chasing show.
34:31I click on red zone and I see the field.
34:35And I said, Oh dude, no, I saw the Buccaneers game.
34:38And I was like, Nope, Nope, not happening already, already over.
34:42Uh, dude, honestly, if it wasn't for weather, this would be a good lineup.
34:46I like when you look at what those ownerships came in at the Baker stack is like the sharpest stack of the slate.
34:54Yeah. Yeah. It was, uh, it, it was tough.
34:57I mean, do I, do I, do I, so like my, my want plays for GPP this, this morning, like the, the
35:04guys I was like, okay, let me try and get these guys to send.
35:08Well, we're Braylon chase P wash McBride. Those were like, I would just want to try and build as many lives as I could with those guys.
35:17Uh, all right, Sammy, which of these contests, the spy, the red zone, any of the red zones, which one, which one
35:24do you want me to pull up? Yeah. Put the big spy, big spy.
35:29Now let me see if I can, um, let me see if I can spell whirling dervish.
35:34I might, you know, might be a little bit tough.
35:37I still can't believe that's your fucking username. I eat a dick brother.
35:42Whirling. There you go. There it is. Uh, 88% Sim ROI for, for Sammy's lineup.
35:47Oh, well, awesome. Maybe me and you can, uh, go take a nice vacation together with all our Sklansky bucks.
35:53See if Jacoby Brissett, Jacoby Brissett, Ramondre Stevenson, Jonah Coleman, CD lamb, Michael Wilson, IO manner, McBride, Javante in the Bronx.
36:00This actually is a great lineup. Um, you did leave Javante Williams in your flex and play Jonah Coleman at your second running back slot.
36:08Uh, but honestly, I think, buddy, I have, I have kids.
36:11I'm, I'm swapping like 0%. I'm a, I'm at the park.
36:15Like it ain't happening, dude. So like this shit don't matter to me.
36:19Although, uh, I, I see from your screenshot in our, our thread that Jacoby came in at 10% owned.
36:25Am I reading this right? That's fucking insane. Sammy, I don't think that's going to sim super well post lock.
36:32I mean, it is, it is. 10% Jacoby Brissett who got stone ass benched in the middle of the game because he's bad.
36:39Like the era just ended in the middle of the game.
36:43Um, yeah, but there's no way that stems well post lock.
36:46You had Jacoby at 10%. You had Michael Wilson at 11% and trade right.
36:5118%. It it's okay. It did pre lock, but it's yeah.
36:55Negative 31% and if you'll borrow all your staff, I mean, this is the same thing with Davis that I was saying earlier.
37:02If your stack ends up over owned, it's just going to sim very poor because the thing that you correlate around is
37:09already like, it doesn't help you separate. So it's okay to play chalk pieces, but when it should have been, it should
37:16have been pretty clear that like people would do that.
37:19You know what I mean? Cause like Dallas was the team.
37:23So people are just going to take the other side of it.
37:27Um, yeah, yeah, not, not, not the best thing.
37:30I actually think what is saving him and why he does have the SIM, the good SIM ROI here is that Michael
37:37Wilson, the SIM ROI is the post lock number.
37:40The reason why it's simming well is because Michael Wilson was 11% and IO Manner who we had projected very well was
37:4711% and Wandale and Helm and the other Titans guys were simming.
37:51And we also had a really aggressive projection on Jonah Coleman who he got at 22%.
37:56I, I think this is right. I think this is correct.
38:00I don't think this is wrong. Yeah. I wanted, I wanted IO Manner instead of Wandale.
38:05I mean, I thought that was, you know, IO Manner was, I think three stone 3k and he's shown a proclivity to
38:12like be able to make big plays. Whereas Wandale's like the, you know, six catch 47 yard guy.
38:18Um, but I thought, I thought one, I thought IO Manner could, could, could do something.
38:23Uh, as it turns out, Shamir DK was the guy that you wanted to have, um, in that spot.
38:29But, you know, I, I just kind of said, you know, I want access to this game, but I want to do
38:36it in a way that I don't think will be super owned, but obviously people, uh, and, and I didn't want to play a jackass at tight end.
38:45You know what I mean? So like kind of made, put Brissette together with, uh, with Trey McBride, but you know, at
38:52the end of the day, it was not a super unique thought.
38:56I think a lot of people did that. Yeah.
38:59I mean, IO manner was a great play. I think IO manner coming in at 11% is like one of the better
39:06value wide receiver plays you could have done. I mean, when you look at like Ted Hurst last week, he was like
39:1435% owned in tournaments up to 40%, I think.
39:16And he was essentially the same play projection wise as IO manner this week.
39:21And so, yeah, I mean, getting in at 11% is like, that's great.
39:25So what, what the SIM ROI tab is saying is that this is simmed against the real contest field, the actual entries
39:32and ownership, not the pre-lock projected field. So I'm guessing, and I would have to dig under the hood a little bit
39:39more to know it, but I would guess that the field did not play Jonah Coleman with Michael Wilson very much.
39:46That's my guess. My guess is that the ownerships might, the product ownership might be kind of high, but the specific way
39:53that Sammy built it, I would assume that most people who did IO manner and most people who did Coleman were doing so to get three expensive receivers.
40:02They were doing Puka and chase. They were doing, um, you know, T even, even T and chase, you know, together it
40:10was, it was not to play Michael Wilson would, would be my guess as to why I, I feel pretty good about that.
40:17Actually about that being, um, the case here, pull up mine in the spy.
40:22I don't want to go through this lineup too much, but I did have a team in this one.
40:28That'll be, I want to compare it to Sammy's Nate and Nate.
40:32And with Dak, Jameer Gibbs, Jonah Coleman, CD lamb, George Pickens, Wanda Robinson, Hunter Henry, Malik Washington in the Broncos defense.
40:38Uh, I, I was wondering, we literally have not talked about Jameer Gibbs at all.
40:43I was, I was curious to get your guys thoughts on what you wanted to do with him today.
40:49Yeah. So this lineup, I, I got pretty good projection out of it.
40:54Uh, it was like a projection that, I mean, I think I said, uh, what was the, what was Sammy's overall projection?
41:01I bet, I bet my projection here is close and it's probably 40 points under.
41:06Oh, but you got, you got mega SIM ROI.
41:09Yeah. So this lineup came in with really high projection because you have, uh, you have Dak, you have, um, Wandale, you
41:16have, um, Hunter Henry, CD and Pickens and Coleman.
41:19So like there's a lot of really good value plays and then paying up for Gibbs.
41:24I knew Gibbs was going to come in, uh, low.
41:27He came in way lower than I expected. He came in at 5%.
41:31Pickens came in at 3%. And then Malik Washington was 1%.
41:35And so I had three guys, single digit ownership.
41:38Dak at 15% was only a couple of percent more than Jacoby.
41:42And so Dak felt like a great play, uh, when I saw the cards flip over.
41:47And so overall, I really liked this lineup, um, in the spy, but it's an example of like, you can still get
41:54high projection and not have to eat crazy ownership at times, you know?
41:58Well, the other thing that's good about this lineup is that it's got a wide receiver in the flex and not a
42:05lot of people are doing that these days. I would bet.
42:09I was going to say, I literally bet. What do you think?
42:13Like 10, 15% of the field played a wide receiver in the flex, probably even less.
42:18Honestly, I bet, I bet probably even less than that today.
42:21Like no one, no one, no one did it today.
42:25Yeah. Yeah. But the lineup, I want to go ahead.
42:28I was going to say the lineup. I was just going to say because we had Sammy, you fucker your internet.
42:35Why is your internet connection? So great. Great podcasting.
42:38Great. Sammy, go ahead. Sorry. I was just going to say, this was the slate where you couldn't do two tight ends.
42:45So if there were two good tight ends, you know, value that Nate would have played that, but because there weren't, he
42:52went with the fourth wide receiver, which, you know, at the end of the day is just, it's going to give you,
42:59even if you're like some of ownership, isn't that great.
43:02And obviously it is on this team, but like not a lot of people are going to do that.
43:08So it's a way to get unique just in terms of your build.
43:13And, and I think Nate's done a really good job of that just overall this year.
43:18Yeah. Uh, all right, Nate, do you have another lineup you want to look at?
43:23Yeah. Pull up the main event. So this was the one it's not, it's not the, it's not cash yet, but I can run, I'll run it through.
43:32I'll just run it through our regular sim. Okay.
43:35So this was the one I spent a lot of time on.
43:39I, I knew the field was going to be sharper than a typical, uh, field.
43:43It was a little bit of a higher entry, uh, higher entry tournament.
43:48And so, um, I knew I wanted to have like the three best running back values that I saw on the slate.
43:55So I locked in chase Brown, Braylon Allen and Ramondre.
43:58Um, and then I stacked, uh, Trevor Lawrence and Brenton strange.
44:02Um, and then did T Higgins, Puka, Wandale as wide receivers and brought it back and had the Broncos defense.
44:08And so, um, I felt pretty confident that Trevor Lawrence stacked with strange, but not with Washington was going to be a differentiator for me.
44:16And I thought that T Higgins projected similar. And I, and I thought if I could get T Higgins game, what was
44:23the, uh, what was the field size? Uh, 4,000, it was like 4,400.
44:27I think I'll pull it up. Uh, I actually, I actually think that's, um, that's a good, that's like a, such a
44:35good thought that the, the Lawrence like that is so unique.
44:38And, and that, uh, that buys you the ability to play the big, the big chalk with Chase Brown and Ramondre.
44:45Yeah. So it was really two things that I did.
44:48I was like, okay, I want Trevor Lawrence and Brenton strange and then not Washington.
44:53And then I thought that the T Higgins thing was a unique way to play without chase, without burrow.
44:59Um, and I thought that T Higgins, like his projection was just going to be solid.
45:04And if there was anything that happened that didn't go to chase, that didn't go to burrow, I'd pass all the burrow teams with, with, with Higgins.
45:13So, so yeah, I, I really liked this lineup.
45:16Obviously it did cash. It didn't like, um, it didn't like crush, but it did cash, which is important when you're playing something like that.
45:24So yeah, I felt good about it, but, um, would have loved Ramondre to do something.
45:29I mean, Ramondre just got, you just got to play tootin bro.
45:33I wonder, I wonder would this have even, is this even a better lineup with tootin over chase Brown?
45:39Like I don't even really, I don't even really know if it is, you know, because you're in a, in a spot
45:47like this, it's, it's kind of interesting. You are saying like tootin can't really, cause tootin having such a good game murdered Lawrence and murdered strange.
45:55Like tootin tootin being the way that tootin gets there also too, is kind of different.
46:00Like stacking chase Brown with burrow makes sense because chase Brown can kind of get there in a variety of ways.
46:07He can get there in a slower pace game, whatever the way that tootin gets there, he just erases entire possessions for his teammates.
46:15Like he had, I think he had four gains over 25 yards today, which is just like, that's nuts.
46:21That's really hard to do. That's killer for stacks.
46:24Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's really, really bad for stacks.
46:27Yeah. So this one seemed, yeah, seemed pretty well pre-locked, but it was more, I just felt post-locked that it was going
46:34to be something that had, it wasn't a fragile lineup.
46:37I thought it was a pretty anti-fragile build, but yeah.
46:40So pre-lock, I'm assuming why it's not simming that well in our stuff is that we didn't have, so we had Brenton
46:47strange is a pretty bad play because we had him owned and we had him projected worse than Hunter Henry and just
46:55the overall product owner of this lineup is pretty high.
46:58I, I, I mean, obviously they don't let me touch any of this stuff.
47:02So I really am really, I'm really just guessing.
47:05And it could, or it could just be an intricacy of, of how this, I would bet I'll check this tomorrow and
47:12text you when the, when the post contest, I bet it, I bet you're right.
47:17That post contest, I bet the, the SIM ROI actually is better.
47:21Because of the unique combinations maybe because of the unique combinations of chase and T no Burrow strange Lawrence, no Tootin.
47:28Although the, the three guys together, the Braylon chase Brown, Ramondre, I, I would bet running back, running back plus flex.
47:35That's the most owned combination of three players in the field.
47:38My guess is in a sharper field like this, it's not as high as you'd think.
47:44You're, you're, you're probably right about that. I think most people probably tried to not do that.
47:49Like, cause that was like the obvious thing of like, don't do the obvious thing.
47:54And I, maybe I overthunk it, but I, I really did think that like in a, in a field like this, most people wouldn't do that.
48:02Yeah, no, I, I actually, I actually think you are right.
48:06Um, the more, the closer you are to a field size where people will just put their cash team in or, or
48:13like some sub variant of the cash team, the more you're going to find those duplication issues for sure.
48:19Yeah. Uh, all right, boys, we're going to go ahead and get out of here.
48:24You guys can go watch, uh, commanders Eagles. I'm sure that's going well for everyone involved.
48:29Make sure to like the video, make sure to subscribe to the channel and I'll be back with you guys tomorrow.
