0:00J-Mac, did you hear where Jonathan Taylor's getting traded to?
0:03Nuh-uh. Spill the tea bro. Future's now! What a do!
0:06Defeated Niners for you. This is Future First Podcast where we help you win today with a Future First mindset.
0:12I'm your co-host J-Mac here with my co-host Jose.
0:15What up dude? Yeah man, 49ers took a loss.
0:18Chiefs took a loss. What is that? The Vikings only undefeated team left, right?
0:22But yeah man, we got a Trade Rumors Spectacular here to kick off the show.
0:27Jonathan Taylor, a lot of other big names maybe getting traded.
0:30Going to be a fun one I think. Let's get into it man.
0:34You ready for the quick hit? Let's do it.
0:37Alright, on the quick hit, you alluded to it at the top.
0:40Let's talk about the Trade Rumors dude. Cause I mean there's a lot flying.
0:45We got the November, was the November 12th trade deadline, right?
0:48So that's, you know, the Tuesday after week eight games.
0:51Or sorry, not week eight, week nine games here.
0:54And we had some big names being tossed around of people that are interested in.
0:58And let's start with the Colts because there's two names for the Colts that are getting thrown down here.
1:04One of them being Jonathan Taylor. Let's start there man.
1:07Jonathan Taylor, could he get dealt? It's crazy man.
1:10I heard the Colts saying that they wanted to wait to see how these next couple of weeks go and see where
1:17their records at before they, you know, push in to the rebuild mode here and get going.
1:22But yeah, the landing spots that we've seen for Jonathan Taylor, the Seahawks were one of them.
1:27I think the Vikings were also one of them and there was another one involved.
1:32I don't know if you can pull it off the top of your head, but give me your thoughts on this man.
1:39Yeah, I mean, I think for if you're Jonathan Taylor manager him going to an offense that's competing for the playoffs competing
1:45to try to make a playoff run in a Super Bowl run is only a good thing in terms of his potential
1:52to kind of unleash his true natural ability that he still has.
1:56I don't think his career is cooked. It is a pretty significant contract.
2:00I know we're going to talk about Saquon and his ability to get potentially traded, but instead of like Saquon's contract, JT
2:06people would be on the hook if they traded for him.
2:10So, you know, I've heard the Seahawks. I mean, the Seahawks platoon of running backs.
2:14They just drafted one in the first. They have Charbonnet there.
2:18They have Holani. They have, you know, Emmanuel Wilson, but I think pretty much all those guys just disappear.
2:23I wouldn't be surprised if like Holani got cut and maybe even like Emmanuel was I don't know what they put.
2:30They paid him. But, you know, going into the later stages of the season because if they make a trade for Jonathan
2:37Taylor one, it's not potentially going to be cheap.
2:39And two, you're not trading for a guy like Jonathan Taylor to put him into a platoon of running backs.
2:46Yeah, man, that you wouldn't that would feel so bad, right?
2:49It would just kill Zach Charbonnet would kill Jonathan Taylor if we had that.
2:53But honestly, it's kind of what the Seahawks are just doing to the running backs that we have there.
2:59Emmanuel Wilson's been doing somewhat of a decent job when he's had the bell call rule there.
3:04So if Jonathan Taylor did get that rule, bro, he would he would feast in that offense and that offense, that team would just be unstoppable.
3:12So I really hope for the Niners sake that that trade doesn't happen.
3:16But it's not like it's much better for these other trade suitors.
3:20I pulled it up. It is the Vikings as the top one.
3:23There's also the Packers, which are maybe that is gone and done now that Josh Jacobs is back.
3:29But the Denver Broncos also being another one, which also feels a little bit unlikely here.
3:34They're they got three running backs that they're that would that would kill a lot of them if they went and gotten JT and that killed JT, too.
3:42Like I just hate the Broncos offense for any fantasy asset.
3:46It sucks all the way around. But the Vikings could be interesting, man.
3:50Aaron Jones is playing out of his mind this year on a sprained MCL on top of that.
3:55They got they got Jordan Mason back this week, but it wasn't.
3:59You know, I think Jones got hurt. No, he didn't play a lot of this week.
4:04So it kind of made sense. Right. I mean, the dude has a sprained MCL.
4:08He needed a break. But it's not like Jordan Mason came back and was, you know, lighting the league on fire and really help.
4:16I mean, they got the win, which is baffling how these Vikings are seven and oh now with, you know, like Kyler Murray.
4:23They had their by-week already. Yeah. Six and oh without Kyler Murray throwing for any substantial amount of yardage or potency here.
4:30So it's really their defense is winning. I saw a meme the other day where it was like the guy pretending to be the play caller.
4:38And he's like, what is it? First down, kick the field goal.
4:41It's first down. It doesn't matter. Kick the field goal.
4:44If we miss it, it goes on defense. And who's more likely to score the offense or the defense?
4:50Exactly. Yeah, I mean, it would be like, yeah, that's amazing.
4:53I mean, it honestly would be one of the most like old school ways of football and trying to win a Super Bowl.
5:00It's like you have a somewhat capable quarterback who can make some throws.
5:04You're just asking him basically to game manage though, because you have an elite defense and you're just going to ground and
5:11pound the ball with Jefferson over the top. I mean, Jefferson on his career hasn't been somebody that's complained a ton.
5:18I mean, he's played with a bunch of horrible quarterbacks.
5:21So maybe if they're winning games for him, it's it.
5:24That's enough. Like that's getting it done. So it would be very interesting.
5:28I don't hate that for Jonathan Taylor. It would be going to a very serious contender.
5:33I understand that Kyler Murray has not looked like anything special, but that defense is.
5:37And I think they have a great coaching staff and special teams.
5:41So it would be very interesting to see him there.
5:44I think it does kill Aaron Jones and Jared, you know, Jordan Mason off the bat.
5:49I do think that anybody that trades for Jonathan Taylor is going to cost a decent amount.
5:54So for that team, I don't see it being the level of malpractice of saying, hey, we're training for this guy to
6:01make a run and we're not going to have him be a center part or at least the main guy.
6:07Right. Like I don't see him going to basically any situation and him not being the guy.
6:12So I think wherever he goes, it's going to be better than what the Colts have been able to show on offense and they've been able to do.
6:21So I'd be pretty excited. I don't have a lot of time for Jonathan Taylor, but I do enjoy just watching good
6:27football and watching a guy like Jonathan Taylor do his thing.
6:31Yeah, 100 percent. And Javante Williams just scored a Russian touchdown for you.
6:35So that should win your match. I know you're waiting for that one here.
6:39I was I was counting the yards as he was going and I was like, are they going to even get it?
6:46But in that last play, it looked like the Eagles just let him score.
6:50It looked like the Eagles wanted to get the ball back because they didn't even really put up a fight.
6:56But yeah, it's good to see. I mean, this is what the Cowboys got to do to win games, even against back
7:03of quarterbacks has put up 40 points basically. But yeah, man, it's a nice it's a nice win, I guess.
7:09It is. Let's switch back to the trade topic here and let's talk about the other teammate for the Colts here, which
7:16is Josh Downs, who's been getting some buzz as of lately.
7:19He's and again, I think this all just kind of rides on how the Colts are going to do over these next couple of weeks.
7:27So if we see them, you know, they lost already to the Vikings this week, this past week and week seven.
7:33If we see him lose next week and then again in week nine.
7:37It's probably looking like these guys are going to get traded.
7:40So just keep that in the back of your mind if you're trying to, you know, profit or, you know, capitalize on
7:47these kind of rumors here is the timing matters.
7:50And you can kind of play the market and, you know, try to read the tea leaves as things are happening.
7:56Maybe you make a trade in game as you the Colts are getting blown out or something like that.
8:02But the top landing spots that we have here for Josh Downs are the Kansas City Chiefs, which we had to talk about here.
8:10You know, they've been linked to looking for receiver help.
8:13The Pittsburgh Steelers is another one, which I mean, hey, they're winning.
8:16It's a day. They got to make a run and they don't have Michael Pittman as good as Jeremy Bernard has looked.
8:23They only have him and DK Metcalf to really count on.
8:26So some depth would probably go a long way for them.
8:30And the Seattle Seahawks is another one, the Rams, the Raiders and the Vikings.
8:34The Chiefs is probably the most interesting here. So let's talk about that, man.
8:38How would you like Josh Downs on the Chiefs?
8:41I'd love it. I mean, it would be almost not a Rasheed Rice because I think Downs is a more polished route runner than Rice is.
8:49But honestly, any pass catcher that goes to the Chiefs would be an exciting addition if, you know, they're a capable player.
8:56I think most people have a positive feeling about Downs.
8:59I think it would be probably the best quarterback he's played with in his entire career, obviously, with the best schemer and, you know, offensive mind.
9:07So you could maybe fully unlock Josh Downs. I don't think when Rice is healthy, it necessarily would hurt him.
9:13I think they'd be the two main wide receivers playing, especially Taequann Thornton's out.
9:17And I don't think the Chiefs, if they continue, you know, they want to continue to waste Pat Mahomes years without, you
9:24know, some sort of serviceable to good wide receiver.
9:27Like they thought they had Rice in the whole suspension, the car, the incident he's rehabbing in jail, all those things.
9:33But now he's had the hamstring injury, which seems to be lingering even after their bye week and all that.
9:39So I think they just can't continue to waste Mahomes' prime.
9:43So them being aggressive here would make sense. We've said that before about the Chiefs.
9:47And, you know, with Kenneth Walker, they definitely did that in the offseason.
9:51But you need to do more. He needs a reliable pass catcher.
9:55In this last game, this last week, Mahomes didn't look like himself.
9:58He looked rattled. He looked kind of bad. But, you know, not every quarterback's going to play, you know, their best game every game of the season.
10:07So I still think Mahomes has, you know, got it.
10:10He's shown it in other games this season. So I think it'd be great.
10:14It'd be, I think, I don't know. How do you feel?
10:17Do you think Josh Downs would be the better receiver in that group if it's a healthy Rice?
10:23Or would you still kind of favor Rice as the number one there?
10:27Yeah, that'd be really interesting to me because they do kind of want to occupy the same role.
10:32And Rice has been so good in it. But it's been with previous offensive coordinators in a different style of offense.
10:39And he hasn't been completely healthy this year. So it's hard to say whether it's the injury is causing his dip in
10:46production this year or if it's the change in offensive scheme.
10:49Something tells me it's the injury if they're going after a wide receiver.
10:53The Chiefs are looking for a wide receiver like Josh Downs here because they kind of want that role in that offense.
11:00And they don't really have that right now. Yeah, man.
11:03But you are right. Like Patrick Mahomes last night on Sunday Night Football just looked distressed and like a beaten man.
11:09Just like the looks that he had on his face were just like disbelief.
11:13And, you know, like a lot of just sadness in his eyes.
11:17Like he couldn't fathom that this was happening to him.
11:20But the Seahawks defense will do that to you, man.
11:23Like, I mean, Mahomes just didn't look himself either.
11:26He was missing all over the place. Yeah, wide open throws.
11:29Yeah. It was kind of wild. So I think he does bounce back.
11:33You know, maybe he was just like sick or something like that.
11:37The flu has been going around. That's not the Jordan flu game that we were expecting from Patrick Mahomes.
11:43But it could be something like that. But, yeah, I would like Josh Downs.
11:47I mean, I think that he would fill that role.
11:50And I don't know that Rice is going to be healthy this year.
11:54Rice also is on or needing a contract extension.
11:57Josh Downs, if they traded for him, is also going to be a free agent at the end of this year.
12:03So that would be another interesting, you know, dynamic that you need to pay attention to here if you're trading for either one of those players.
12:11Like maybe Rice is just a trade away right now if you can.
12:15I mean, we've been saying it all offseason. So hopefully you could trade him.
12:20But, yeah, the window hasn't really opened to kind of get him off the team there.
12:24Yeah, it's been unfortunate. He, you know, was rehabbing and then got re-injured.
12:28And now it's a lingering hamstring thigh injury, which, you know, for guys that are fast twitched in the slot, that always
12:35seems like it could be a nagging thing that continues to go on.
12:39So maybe it is just an insurance play if that is where Downs goes to cover.
12:44Hey, we can figure it out if they're both healthy.
12:47But if Rice continues to miss time, we need somebody in that slot.
12:51We will need somebody to, you know, combo break with Kelsey and break that middle of the field and just give, you
12:58know, Mahomes some easy targets, easy throws. They could definitely move him around the field, too.
13:03If they realized what they had, if they went and got him, they should know that he's just not a slot-only player.
13:09You know, he can move to the outside and win out there, too.
13:13So that'd be great. I sold a lot of my Josh Downs in the offseason because I stayed disciplined to my true self-design.
13:20I sold on the hype and it was feeling good until these trade rumors started coming up.
13:26Yeah, 100%. All right. Let's talk about one more that we probably should talk about.
13:30He needs to get some love here because it's one of our favorites in the offseason who hasn't really panned out for us.
13:37And that's Brian Thomas Jr. of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
13:40He has been rumored, I don't know, pretty much since like week three or week four to be a trade candidate.
13:46Things are starting to heat up. We had Jeremy Fowler from ESPN say that he's talked to league executives who believe that Brian Thomas Jr.
13:54could be traded here in the next couple weeks.
13:57But obviously that's not coming from the Jaguars themselves.
14:00That's probably from, you know, other executives calling and inquiring about Brian Thomas Jr.
14:04And the Jaguars just being open to listening to trade offers.
14:07So that's kind of the vibe that I'm getting here on what it is.
14:11And I don't think that they're going to let him go for cheap.
14:15So they're going to have to go to a team that has like pretty good capital here.
14:21The rumored landing spots are all the same that we heard for Josh Downs, which is the Chiefs, Steelers, Rams, Raiders.
14:27Commanders is also in there. And the 49ers is another big one that is a big rumor.
14:32And honestly, like the favorite by a lot of people.
14:35I think this is more wish casting because I've heard also now that the 49ers want to trade for defensive help, which
14:42honestly, I mean, we need both sides of the ball here to really come together to kind of patch up the holes that we got on our team.
14:51But Brian Thomas Jr. on the 49ers would be great.
14:54I just they're going to have to send a first.
14:57I know it's going to be a first to go get it.
15:00I feel like because of how bad the situation has been, it feels like maybe two seconds or a second in a
15:07like a second next year and a third, the following or something or or swap a fourth for a six like it
15:14feels like I don't think the Jaguars would be expecting to get a first round return on their investment after, you know,
15:21those last two seasons of injuries and just underperformance.
15:23At least that's what I think. Obviously, you know, like any negotiations, they're hoping to get that first.
15:29But I think they could probably get it done with something else like or maybe a player.
15:34You know, it doesn't just need to be straight capital, but because the Jaguars are not necessarily neat looking, you know, they
15:41have holes that they may need to fill on defense or offense or what have you.
15:46So, I mean, besides the Pittsburgh Steelers, which I think you mentioned, I would be ecstatic about any of those, not just for this season.
15:53I'm not super sure that I'm like trying to buy in for this Brian Thomas Jr.
15:58for this season, but at least for the future, because they'd have him for a year and then the fifth year option
16:05they could pick up before having to extend them.
16:08So, it would mean that there'd be some ability to get that bounce back in value with Kansas City, the Rams, 49ers,
16:14like any of those situations sounds like a much better situation than where he's at now, obviously.
16:20So, it would be pretty exciting. Yeah, the Commanders would be interesting.
16:23The Raiders, I think, would be really interesting also.
16:26Like, I think he fits in a lot of different places.
16:29And yeah, maybe you're right too. Maybe with, you know, the precedence of the Marvin Harrison Jr.
16:35trade, maybe a second with a little plus gets it done.
16:38I mean, Marv was drafted ahead of him in that same draft.
16:42He just also hasn't produced as much as or to the ceiling that Brian Thomas Jr.
16:47has produced too. So, yeah, lots to be untold.
16:49We still have a few weeks here before the whole picture comes into focus for us.
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19:21All right. Welcome in to the future first watch.
19:24Let's go over some candidates here that we think are on the rise that are going to be gaining in their Dynasty
19:31value here as the year goes on. Maybe the offseason does them some good favors here.
19:36We got a long list to get through. We're going to start off here with this category, which we're calling two times the future first watch.
19:44Meaning these guys are probably already worth a future first, you know, maybe not necessarily a 27 first, but you'll be able
19:51to get let me like 28 or even a 29 for one of these guys.
19:55So let's dive in to it and let's talk about your first candidate here, Jose.
20:00So go ahead and pick your favorite from the list that we have and lead us off on why you think that
20:06they're going to be gaining some value here. Yeah, I mean, it was a guy that we were really excited about in draft season.
20:14He was actually my wide receiver one at the beginning of the process before I kind of hopped on to the Carnell
20:20Tate sort of thing and the Tyson, which was Makai Lemon.
20:24I mean, he had a little bit of a weird offseason and draft season with some of the things that came out
20:31about his personality or what have you. But I think with the Eagles retooling here, potentially being sellers looking to maybe move off of Saquon.
20:38Now they don't have hurts for the remainder of the year.
20:42Devontae Smith, there was talks. I mean, I don't think it comes out of nowhere to just say, hey, do we need
20:48to shut down Devontae Smith for the rest of the season?
20:52What are we playing? And the coach was not very committal to saying, no, he's going to continue to play.
20:58I think that would be pretty interesting. And he's a guy that, you know, he was a first round pick, obviously.
21:04And he's definitely probably worth more. But I think if you want to, if you believe in Makai Lemon, I think there's
21:11a chance that we approach the two first by the end of the season.
21:15If he continues to play like this, obviously he's playing with a backup quarterback and you're not always going to get to play the Dallas Cowboys defense.
21:24But their schedule in terms of who they play is not like horrendous in terms of the defenses they play.
21:30They got Dallas today where he had seven, eight targets, seven catches and had a touchdown.
21:35Makai Lemon, that is. So, you know, I think the spike is already starting.
21:39He had that touchdown. He had run some good routes.
21:42They got Washington, New York, then Dallas again, then Arizona and then Indianapolis.
21:46So out of the next, what is it, six or seven games, they have a bye week in there, but they're not
21:53facing any sort of defense that makes you scared about, you know, what they could do to Makai Lemon or what they
21:59could do to that offense just in general. So McKee can be serviceable enough.
22:04I think you'll see that spike potentially in Makai Lemon's value.
22:07And especially if Devontae Smith is shut down or, you know, this, he goes on IR now with this re, I don't
22:14know if it was a re-aggravation of the hamstring injury he was dealing with or, or what exactly it was.
22:20But, you know, he's out again. He missed some time earlier in the, in the year too.
22:25So, you know, it doesn't look good because I think he missed what was it two games week, he was like weeks four and five.
22:33And then he came back for one week and then got injured again and missed this week.
22:38So, you know, like we were talking about the hamstring with who was it earlier that we were talking about a hamstring with.
22:45Oh, Rashee Rice, like these hamstring injuries for these wide receivers, they can lag in nag and kind of just bother throughout.
22:52And if the Philadelphia Eagles feel like they're not playing for anything, why kind of maybe push Devontae Smith to come back or force him back sooner?
23:00And in that case, then McKay Lemon is very clearly the number one wide receiver out of the entire bunch that's left.
23:07So I think there's a very good chance that you get to the two first by the end of this year, if it goes well for McKay Lemon.
23:15If not, you're probably just investing a little bit more than a future first compared to what you had to, you know,
23:22probably pay for the pick that he was taking at last year, which was probably 103, 104.
23:27So I'm in, I was in before the pre-draft.
23:30Unfortunately, I didn't get a lot of him. I only in like one or two spots.
23:35But I'm definitely trying to buy if I can, especially on a rebuilding team, maybe because he might not, he's not going
23:42to score a lot of points to hurt you.
23:44But I think he's a great asset to maybe grow with into next year when you get hurts and potentially a new coaching staff there in Philadelphia.
23:53Yeah, man. I mean, that's a great call. I love Lemon.
23:56And we saw tonight, you know, again, against the Cowboys, he had a big game in the absence of Devontae Smith.
24:02I think, did you, I think you went over it, but I'm just gonna say it again.
24:0827 for 87 yards and a touchdown. So the breakout is on.
24:11And yeah, Devontae Smith can't come back fully healthy, which I do expect him to get back.
24:16But like you said, nagging hamstring injuries, you know, like there's a risk of re-injury coming back.
24:22And Lemon could really take the second half of this season and climb in value if he does well with it.
24:28And I mean, Tanner McKee has played well in relief of Jalen Hurts here, who is going to be out for the season.
24:35We hope to have him back next season. But yeah, that's a great call on McKay Lemon there.
24:41So, and with that, I'm going to kind of turn it over to another rookie, right?
24:45I think one who's got quite a head of steam here coming into this part of the season, that's Jeremy Bernard of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
24:53He's had a couple big games here with gaining the trust of Aaron Rodgers.
24:57And that's probably like the biggest thing that says a lot about him and what he's capable of to earn the trust
25:04of, you know, scraggly, you know, and stubborn old Aaron Rodgers.
25:07Like rookies don't do that very often. And so it's nice to see Jeremy Bernard really coming into his own with, with
25:14old man Rodgers there and, and making some good, good statistical lines here.
25:18Right. I mean, this past week, week seven wasn't really great.
25:22He had three or seven, three receptions for 27 yards, but they leaned a lot on the running game to get it
25:28done there in Paris, France, where they were. But the week before that, he had 11 receptions on 12 targets for 87 yards and a touchdown.
25:36And then in week five, nine targets, six receptions, 80 yards, and no touchdowns.
25:41He's really garnering like quite a bit of the target share over there when they are ready looking to throw the ball.
25:47Aaron Rodgers is looking his way, willing to throw the ball to him.
25:51And this is in the absence of Michael Pittman, who was non-existent when he was on the field.
25:57And if we're looking at, you know, the value here of where Jeremy, Jeremy Bernard is, he's probably worth right around like,
26:03I don't know, like a 28 first is probably what my guess would be.
26:08I'm trying to find them here on the fly here.
26:11It's actually worse than that. He's right around. Yeah.
26:14A 20, 29 first. So in between that area, like an early 27 second, a late or a 20 to 29 first.
26:20So right around that Omar Cooper range, he's in that, um, you know, Ty Simpson, DJ Moore range.
26:26If that gives you any kind of feeling for where he's at.
26:29So definitely I think worth going and inquiring about these, the people who have them are probably diamond hands in him.
26:36When you have a rookie that pops off, like he's been doing, it's going to be a lot to get them.
26:42But if you could go trade like two seconds to go get them.
26:46I like, I like the trajectory of where the Steelers are going.
26:50I know Aaron Rogers is going on his way out next year.
26:54They do have drew Alar waiting in the wings.
26:56Maybe he can, you know, fulfill and be the successor to Aaron Rogers.
27:00If not, maybe they just go in the draft and, you know, they, they move up in the draft to kind of
27:07get their, their quarterback of the future. There it's, it's hard to see where, where it keeps going, but yeah.
27:13DK Metcalf is on the second year of his three-year deal.
27:17So he could be the guy of the future there.
27:20And I'm, as someone I'm looking to buy into.
27:22Yeah. I mean, I think he's perfect for this segment or, you know, this whole episode that we're doing our future first watch.
27:29He's definitely cheaper than some of the other guys we're going to talk about in this segment.
27:35So I think that's his appeal. I don't know if he has the ceiling of some of the other guys, but he's definitely cheaper.
27:42So if you need maybe just more of a futures play to secure your wide receiver room with some youth, I think it makes a lot of sense.
27:51He was a second round pick. So it's not like we're talking about a fifth round guy.
27:56That's just kind of having a couple of good games because people are injured.
28:00I do think that it becomes a big unknown without Aaron Rogers there because of how much it has to do with his confidence in him.
28:08Michael Pittman and DK both are on decent contracts, especially Michael Pittman who just got there this off season.
28:14So who knows what the new quarterback is going to like.
28:17But I think once you, you know, the genie metaphorically speaking comes out of the bottle, it's hard to put it back in.
28:24We've seen what Jeremy Bernard can do. And I think the, at least if it's not the same quarterback, you are going
28:31to have the same leadership and coaching staff there in the future.
28:35So at least they have that backing or he has that backing compared to, you know, and maybe they just get a better quarterback.
28:42Like Aaron Rogers isn't playing at some sort of crazy level where, you know, it wouldn't be too hard to supplement with
28:49either one of these guys that's coming off of.
28:51Coming from another team or, you know, like you said in the draft, it seems to be a decent quarterback draft.
28:58We'll see how many actually come out and, you know, don't stay for NIL money.
29:02But yeah, I like the call. All right, let's go ahead.
29:06Let's take one more. Actually, just take one more off this list of the last three guys that we have here.
29:12And then we'll move on to the next category of players here.
29:16So choose your favorite of these three and let's talk about him.
29:20So, I mean, I got a couple of guys in here that I realized were on the same team.
29:25So maybe I'll just kind of throw both of them in there and I'll, you know, throw it to you and who you like more of the two.
29:34It's Quinshaw Jenkins and Denzel Boston. I think part of it has to do with the resurgence of the Browns and, you
29:41know, Deshaun Watson being better than he is. I don't remember what Deshaun Watson contract is if he's still slated to be there.
29:48He's a free agent next year. Okay, so that's another one where, you know, what is it going to be?
29:54But so Deshaun Watson just hasn't been inept and that offense hasn't been inept and we've seen Denzel Boston be good and
30:01Quinshaw Judkins when he's healthy be a good running back, the running back we thought he would be.
30:06So, you know, they have capital, they have the, you know, I think now that Miles Garrett is gone, they have the
30:13cap space to maybe go sign one of these free agent quarterbacks or trade or do something.
30:18So I like the future for them too. I don't know who you like more.
30:23I know you weren't a huge Denzel Boston guy coming out of the draft.
30:27So I don't know if something has changed for you there or, you know, maybe you just like Judkins more because he, you know, he did prospect better.
30:35How do you feel about the Browns players? I like the Judkins by quite a bit just because I feel like there's
30:42a larger ceiling with Judkins and it hasn't been realized.
30:45And I think people are kind of forgetting, especially with the new hotness that we've had on the Browns here.
30:51There's been a lot of storylines to kind of, you know, subvert Judkins down and into people's rankings and maybe like kind of forget about him, right?
31:00So I think I like Judkins more just because of he's not in the spotlight right now.
31:05And yeah, he was a prospect that I did like quite a bit.
31:09Now, if we're looking at rankings, he's still above Denzel Boston in some ways, right?
31:13Fantasy Calc, Denzel Boston's at 2638. Quinchan Judkins is at 2956.
31:17Judkins is 23. Denzel Boston is also 23. 23.
31:20I do need to give the respect that he deserves because it's been impressive to say the least, right?
31:25I think if I were to probably choose one of these guys, it'd be Judkins.
31:30Yeah, I definitely agree with what you said. I think Judkins has that potential.
31:34I think a lot of people kind of forgotten when he was kind of stuck in this Cleveland Browns, you know, dumpster
31:41fire that we thought they were going to be.
31:44I think a lot of people moved them down and haven't kind of readjusted where we thought Judkins.
31:49I mean, a lot of people like Judkins right behind Hampton.
31:53There was people that liked Judkins more than Hampton coming out of the draft, except for the landing spot, obviously.
31:59So he definitely has that, you know, top eight to 10 dynasty running back in him.
32:04With his youth, it's definitely there. And those prices get really steep really quickly, we've seen with these running backs.
32:10So if you can get in on Judkins before the two-fold future first comes in, I definitely think, like you said, it's calling the higher upside shot.
32:18Yeah. And then just before we move out of this and get into the next category, just a shout out to Amari Hampton, right?
32:25Like, just don't forget about him. Buy low on him.
32:28We had Josh Jacobs in here. He's probably already worth a future first.
32:32I don't know he necessarily grows to two future firsts just because of the age dilemma that we have here, but he looked good coming back.
32:40He hasn't really lost the steps and definitely fresh legs in that Green Bay offense, which they needed because the amalgamation of
32:47running backs that they were putting out there just wasn't getting it done.
32:51And he didn't even play like a full snap share either in his first game back.
32:56So I think there's a lot more to come from Josh Jacobs.
33:00And if you need him on a contending team, that's a good buy low for someone like that.
33:05All right, let's move on to the next category of players here, which is just the future first watch.
33:11You know, as we've done in the past, these guys are not worth a future first as it stands right now in the current market.
33:19But we do think, you know, in the near future that they could vault themselves up to the value here to be
33:25worth a future first or maybe more. So I'm going to lead off here with my first favorite guy, and that's going to be Michael Penix.
33:33And I have quite a bit of Michael Penix in my dynasty portfolio already, just because like I said in previous episodes
33:40coming into the season, he was just way too low to be like a suspected starting quarterback, right?
33:45I mean, we have Tua definitely leading that backfield.
33:48But if you were following the beat, Tua was not impressing.
33:52And so like it was really just he was supposed to be there to let Michael Penix get healthy.
33:57And they had to rush Michael Penix back just because Tua was as bad as he was.
34:03And Michael Penix has looked really good over these first few games back.
34:07He's just feeding his weapons. Drake London is coming to life.
34:10Even Kyle Pitts is getting out there. For some reason, Bajon is just an afterthought, because even when Bryan Robinson Jr.
34:16is out, you got to get Khalil Herbert in there, right?
34:20Like he's too too shifty to not get in there.
34:23Sorry, I'm just a little salty about that. But nonetheless, Michael Penix is slinging the ball.
34:28He beat my 49ers this past week, which I'm still bitter about.
34:31But I'm getting over it slowly here. And I don't even like what is Michael Penix's value right now in the market?
34:38Like I want to say it's probably around a second.
34:41Yeah, I mean, like it's grown. You know, it's like around the Penix is rising.
34:46It's the 2028 first right around that, like maybe around Casey Concepcion, Omar Cooper.
34:50So you may be able to shift like an early second for him if you get luckier, like a late first.
34:56But yeah, you could probably just shift some players around too.
35:00Maybe the person who has Penix isn't really a big believer in him.
35:04And you could go get him. And I think that he'll be worth, you know, a first plus.
35:09Like he's on a trajectory right now where he could be drafted as like a top 12 quarterback in startups next season.
35:16Like I think that's a realistic expectation when we're kind of here.
35:20Like when we talk about the quarterback 12 on this year, we were probably talking about like a.
35:25Like a CJ Stroud and or like a Cam Ward and that kind of sense.
35:30Like Michael Penix is not necessarily young. He was an older prospect coming into the league, but he's still young in his
35:37career and quarterbacks can play well into the 30s.
35:39So I think it's a safe buy if you want and you can get in at a decent price.
35:45I think it's worthwhile here. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a great addition to round out a quarterback room.
35:51I'm not sure I'm in on buying Michael Penix to be my quarterback to in a super flex just yet.
35:57He's definitely looked good. I think his best games have been the last two where he's played some pretty questionable defenses, especially
36:04in Chicago, who he lit up for three touchdowns and 200 yards.
36:08He did again the same thing to the 49ers, but they're, you know, battling a lot of injuries and have not been,
36:14you know, some sort of lockdown defense. So it would be interesting to see where it continues.
36:20He doesn't have a tough matchup until maybe Kansas City in week 10 or the Minnesota Vikings in week 12.
36:26But it is a viable starting quarterback who is drafted in the first round.
36:30So his leash is going to be long and he is older.
36:34But like you said, quarterbacks can play. The health concerns, I think, are still real.
36:38Not that he's injury prone, but just what is the wear and tear on those knees, on that body that he's taken due to those severe injuries.
36:47So I'm not fully in. But if at those prices, those are the type of prices that in season, you know, you
36:53lose a Jalen Hurts and you need a second quarterback or you need a quarterback.
36:58Those are the type of moves you want to make instead of getting, you know, a Matthew Stafford, if you can help
37:05it or one of these older guys, because at least Michael Penix has some room to grow as we were talking about
37:11and kind of flourish and potentially get you more in the future or be worth more.
37:16So I don't hate it if you can get him for a couple of seconds or just a second or late first.
37:23Even I think that is probably where I hit my threshold of I think there's too much risk for me personally, and
37:30I don't believe in it enough to go that route.
37:33But if it's a second or maybe a second and a third for a quarterback to, you know, sure up a quarterback
37:40room on a contending team, I'm definitely in. Yeah, great.
37:43All right, let's move on. And who's your first player in this category of, you know, not worth a first yet, but will be soon.
37:50Yeah, it's going to be Jalen Coker, who I think it's, you know, put a positive somewhat that he had a down game this year.
37:58I mean, the Panthers got, you know, completely boat raced.
38:01That was something that I was not expecting at all for the Bucs to come in and just lay the smack down
38:08on the Panthers out of nowhere because the Panthers are looking pretty good.
38:12But I think he is a guy I've never I wasn't a huge coke head coming into the league, but it feels
38:18like finally he's going to getting into the right scheme.
38:21Tet, I think, is opening things up for him now.
38:25So they're making a good duo. And Bryce Young is looking pretty solid as an NFL quarterback and passer.
38:30So it's going to be Jalen Coker. I think you can be buying in into a really solid wide receiver, too, for
38:37the future, who's also still young before he's worth a future first or maybe explodes because he is one of those cult
38:44following guys where depending on who owns him, maybe they were a big fan and they've been waiting for this breakout.
38:50So you're never going to get him for a reasonable price.
38:54But he was just kind of hanging out on somebody's roster or he's been kind of traded around in your league.
39:00Go give it a shot and see what you can get him for.
39:04I don't have the fantasy calc up like you were talking about, but I can't imagine he's close.
39:09He's approaching a first, I think, when I looked at it last, but he's not quite there yet.
39:15So, you know, a mid to late 27 first could get it done for you.
39:20And I think that's a first well spent. Yeah, he's in the same range that we've been talking about, right around the
39:26Josh Jacobs, above Denzel Boston a little bit. But they weren't, he's not a highly drafted prospect, whereas Denzel Boston, you probably
39:33needed to use a first to go get him.
39:36Jalen Coker, at some point, someone probably got him off of waivers, right?
39:40And so, like, you might be able to buy lower on that if they haven't realized that value on Jalen Coker.
39:46But yeah, I like the great call out. And yeah, like you said, buy low because of what Tampa Bay did to them.
39:53Man, Tampa Bay's defense is kind of sneaky right now.
39:56Like, they felt like frauds coming into the season.
39:59You know, they were kind of getting blown out.
40:02But they've really found their stride and kind of been holding people up.
40:06And yeah, I mean, the running backs just went crazy.
40:09Like, that's, if anything from that game you take away, start your running backs against Carolina.
40:14Just complete run funnel. I think we saw that against the Bears in week one, and now we've seen it again where
40:20all three running backs for the Bucs got involved between Gainwell, Irving, and even Sean Tucker showed out for this week getting a touchdown.
40:28So, I like the call out there for Jalen Coker.
40:31Let's go ahead and move on to the last guy that we were going to talk about here in this tier, which is going to be Terrence Ferguson.
40:39And this is especially true in, like, a tight end premium league.
40:43Might be a little bit harder of a lift.
40:46Like you were saying, Jalen Coker having that cult following.
40:49Terrence Ferguson very much has that new cult following.
40:52He's like what we wanted Ben Sennett to be, you know, two years ago.
40:56He's kind of actually materializing the potential that we see in Terrence Ferguson.
41:00Although I will note this Rams offense is extremely frustrating for tight end starts.
41:04You don't really know which one is going to go off in any given season, but the future is looking good for him.
41:11You know, Tyler Higbee signed a two-year deal at the beginning of this year, so he'll be there for, you know, this year and next year.
41:19But I think Colby Parkinson is on the last year of his deal, so he could be exiting here.
41:25And then they obviously have Terrence Ferguson, who was the guy to start the season above Higbee and Colby Parkinson before he got injured.
41:32He's on IR currently with no real timeline to return.
41:35So that might be your opportunity to go buy Terrence Ferguson.
41:39If we're looking at, you know, what his value is over here on Fantasy Calc.
41:43It's, can't find him. Let's try this one, Terrence.
41:46Here it is. 1926, which is below a 2029 first, right around that J.J.
41:50McCarthy, Travis H.N. range. So you could get him for a second, hopefully.
41:54I think in most of the leagues, I'm in, and I'd be hard-pressed to get done.
41:59I'm probably not selling him for a second. But you might be able to, you know, get him at a second's worth of value in a larger deal.
42:08It's probably the way that you're going to have to do it if you want to kind of sneak him onto your squad.
42:15But we've seen what he can be in that Rams offense, and I want to get ahead of that and put him
42:22on as many teams as I can. Because I do think that he could be, you know, a top five tight end
42:28in the near future, just with how potent that passing offense is in L.A.
42:33And I want to capitalize on that buy low opportunity.
42:36Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I've run into.
42:39I kind of had attempted to when he first got hurt to get him thrown into some deals.
42:44And I actually think him being hurt is worse because now people aren't like, oh, he's sucking.
42:49I should trade him away. They're more like, oh, he's on my RR.
42:53He's just going to sit and chill there. It's a dynasty stash, you know, who you weren't necessarily thinking was going to
43:00do great things this year just because of how crowded the tight end room.
43:04And we don't know. Like, it looked like Higby was going to be the guy.
43:09And then I think last week it was, who was it?
43:12Was it Claire or Davis Allen that had the game with the two touchdowns on four receptions and 20 yards?
43:19You know, like that's just how it happens. And I think while there's multiple, I think that's just what McBerry likes, that
43:25you don't know which guy to target. Like they're all, besides Ferguson, who does seem like he has a higher ceiling in
43:32terms of his athletic and kind of ability in general.
43:35It's kind of more like, hey, these guys are all just any of these guys can hurt you.
43:41So you don't know who to guard. So it makes it more difficult.
43:45I mean, that's what McBerry likes. I do have some, you know, setbacks with the Rams.
43:49Like I don't know what happens with Matthew Stafford retires.
43:53Like it is a prolific passing offense. And we have seen McVay not necessarily do so well without a very established quarterback.
43:59Even a guy like Goff, he traded away. So I don't know how you would do with a rookie like Ty Simpson.
44:06But it's a very interesting and definitely if you can get ahead of the tight end market, which, you know, spikes in
44:13value when any of these guys pop. Like we saw with Fannin or with Loveland, et cetera, like when they get the
44:19hype, just because there isn't so many of them as an elite option, it becomes very expensive to get into.
44:26Yeah. Especially if there's already that hype for them ahead of time.
44:29All right. Let's just quickly throw out these last three names here that we feel like we should mention.
44:35A pair of rookies and Jacoby Lane, who is the wide receiver for the Baltimore Ravens.
44:40Got a lot of love in camp. He's injured, but he's back now and splashing already in his first couple of games back.
44:47Nothing huge, but notable. Then there's Antonio Williams, another rookie wide receiver for the Washington Commanders, who's been kind of showing out
44:54all season, just hasn't really had the full opportunity to kind of materialize the efficiency that he's been doing.
45:00But now with Terry McLaurin probably out for the rest of this season, Antonio Williams could step into a bigger role.
45:06Both of those guys, you're probably not getting off of someone's team for anything less than a late first.
45:12But again, if you can get him at a value of a second and a larger deal, definitely be looking to do that.
45:19And then last on the list is Zach Charbonnet.
45:22I still believe that he could come back and just steal the role.
45:26And I saw some workout videos of him coming off this injury.
45:29He looks good, man. I'm just, what are we waiting for, guys?
45:33Put him in. Remember the Joe Mixon video that was so good, it almost got people to think he was going to get signed?
45:40I mean, it's crazy that he had that and he sounded like he was going to get signed.
45:46And then he literally hasn't had another opportunity. Like that physical must have not been very good whatsoever there.
45:52Yeah, I read that it was like a degenerative foot disorder that is just not well.
45:56So, I mean, his career is probably done, unfortunately.
45:59But it was a good career. Thanks, Joe Mixon.
46:02We'll throw you a party. Your check's in the mail.
46:05Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break here to hear from our sponsors.
46:09And we'll catch you guys on the other side to talk about some dark horses that we like who could be here.
46:16All right. Welcome back. Let's talk about some dark horses here.
46:19Why don't you go ahead and lead off with one of your favorites from this list here, man?
46:25Yeah. I mean, I don't think I've talked about, you know, this guy on the podcast at all.
46:30So, you know, why don't I shout him out?
46:33You know, Brian Thomas Jr. Definitely not somebody we've given any airtime.
46:37But, hey, you know, he's a dark horse. Like we said, the potential for the value to spike just immediately as soon as he gets traded.
46:45Like if he gets traded to the Kansas City Chiefs, I feel like his value instantly just increases without him even taking
46:51a snap in a way where maybe you trade him.
46:55You know, you get him for like I did a second and a third.
46:59And then as soon as he signs with the Chiefs, you can get two better seconds than the ones you traded away or something.
47:06You know, in some sort of play, if you don't even want to wait to see if anything happens, you just want
47:13to, you know, quickly flip the, you know, a penny stock type of thing.
47:17I think you could easily do that. Now, I think there is potential for that to go even better.
47:23That's why he's kind of a dark horse, so to speak.
47:26But, yeah, I mean, I love Brian Thomas Jr.
47:29I can't, for the sake of diversifying the portfolio, really invest and buy him in more situations just because he is pretty
47:36much on every rebuilding team that I have. And if it doesn't work out, it's going to be a bad, like, you
47:43know, it's going to hurt my rebuilding teams quite a bit because he was the central piece.
47:48And in some deals and in other deals, just, you know, trading capital that he probably could have spent better if he doesn't get traded.
47:55But for now, I think just going, you know, that's my dark horse.
47:59That's what I throw out just because I like to talk about Brian Thomas Jr.
48:04Yeah, man, I think, you know, if anyone's following me, you could definitely get him for less than a first.
48:10I've been calling him a solid candidate now for a little bit just because I don't think he gets traded.
48:16But I can most definitely be wrong about that.
48:19A first is more than likely what he's going to be going for, just even off the hype of that trade alone.
48:26So I can't crap on that take too much here.
48:29Let's go with another wide receiver that I like for a different reason.
48:33I'm going to call out Ryan Flournoy here, who has looked pretty darn good this year already for the Dallas Cowboys.
48:39And that's as their wide receiver three. They just throw the ball enough to where a wide receiver three can be relevant.
48:46It feels like, you know, we're back in like 2015 when wide receiver threes were actually a thing in fantasy football.
48:52But lately, they just they just don't matter because you have that one guy that's dominant, someone behind him that can happen.
48:59And then a tight end or something like that.
49:02But no, there's no tight end here in Dallas, at least none, none worth throwing to.
49:07We have Ryan Flournoy instead, who looks good. And I also liked it because you get this contingent fact that if some
49:13reason they don't sign George Pickens next year and he is a free agent and he walks and goes somewhere else.
49:20I think Ryan Flournoy is proven that he can step up into that wide receiver two role and he could be like
49:27this year's Michael Wilson type of player, right? Where he was the wide receiver two to start, but then he steps up into the wide receiver one situation.
49:35Obviously, that's not what happened here because CeeDee Lamb is there.
49:39But because of the prolific passing offense we have here, it's like an equivalent kind of thing, right?
49:44The wide receiver two on Dallas is like the wide receiver one in many other places.
49:49So getting that promotion into that wide receiver two role, maybe he doesn't become worth a first like in the offseason necessarily.
49:56But I do think that he could gain a ton in value.
49:59And if he does produce two wide receiver two numbers, say he goes for 70 catches, a thousand yards and five touchdowns in a season.
50:07I definitely think he elevates himself into like a Tee Higgins or, you know, like a Devonta Smith of past when A.J.
50:14Brown was there or, you know, those elite wide receiver twos that end up going off the board as, you know, wide receiver, you know, 15, 16.
50:22And because they're just in these prolific offenses that we want pieces in and they produce great numbers for you.
50:28So I think he's a dark horse candidate to really kind of project himself up the standings here.
50:34I feel really bad. I had to sell low on him in one rebuilding league because one team was getting real close
50:40to my 101 and I had to get those points off my team.
50:44So I sold him for a 20, 27 third.
50:47But hey, man, that's that's the game we play.
50:50I didn't want to do that, but it's what we had to do.
50:54So you can definitely go get him for a third from some teams if they're desperate.
50:59Yeah. And I mean, I think you also have the added contingency of, you know, CeeDee Lamb has missed quite a few games.
51:06He's already, you know, going to be in hurt this season.
51:09Pickens is working through a shoulder injury that he played through this year.
51:13Yeah, this game. I mean, my biggest thing with Brian Flournoy is that I hate they throw him the ball when they have Pickens and Lamb.
51:21Like it's third and five. Why are we scheming a play for Ryan Flournoy?
51:25Like even today, it was like one guy and Pickens out there blocking for a wide receiver screen for Ryan Flournoy.
51:32And I'm like, would that have not made sense just turning it around?
51:36Ryan Flournoy, I think that's bigger than Pickens. And Pickens doesn't put the effort into blocks or like throw Ryan.
51:42I don't know, man. Like, you know, Shottie's not the greatest schemer.
51:46And, you know, even though he calls himself an elite play caller, I definitely don't see that.
51:51But I think it's just a savvy move to use with one of your thirds.
51:55If maybe you got an extra and you have a late contenders third, especially if you got a couple extra.
52:01Ryan Flournoy is just as good of a shot in the dark or a dark horse to gain value there than anybody
52:08else, especially if the Cowboys didn't do anything after letting Pickens walk, if that's what happens.
52:13He is an older guy who was an older prospect.
52:16I think he came into the league kind of like Penix or Bo Nix.
52:20Like he was like 25 or so roughly when he came into the league.
52:25But, you know, he's produced and he does seem to have good rapport with the offense that's there and with Dak Prescott.
52:31So if there was nobody else to come in, I think he definitely would see a rise in value if you wanted
52:38to just kind of flip it quick or just have one of those guys on your bench that, you know, is a
52:45decent startable guy from week to week. And especially if there is an injury.
52:49Yeah, definitely. All right. Let's burn through these last names that we have on the dark horse list.
52:55There's a trifecta of quarterbacks here that may or may not have a job next year, but that's why they're on this list.
53:02Right. So we have Deshaun Watson, Mac Jones and JJ McCarthy.
53:05Do you like any of these guys to kind of rise into value here for you?
53:10Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest one for me is probably Deshaun Watson, just because he's played well enough that unless
53:17the wheels completely fall off the rest of these like 10 games, he's going to get another job somewhere.
53:23Maybe the Browns will be dumb enough to just give him a contract they said you're here in a few games because
53:29they're like loving what they see out of him, even though it hasn't been great.
53:34But, you know, some of these quarterback needy teams are a team that's maybe looking to tank into the future.
53:40I don't know if Arizona doesn't get a quarterback in the draft because they've been randomly winning games or somebody they want
53:47to have, kind of like Kirk Cousins to sit behind, maybe that he gets a job.
53:52I feel the safest with him in terms of his potential.
53:55Like, I know people are excited about JJ McCarthy, but, you know, they beat Houston and he threw for like 250 yards on 28 passes.
54:03He didn't have any touchdowns. Like, I still think JJ McCarthy is just kind of what he is.
54:08I don't unless he really saddles up with some sort of coordinator that can really turn things around for him.
54:14I don't think he's looking to have a long career.
54:17And then Mac Jones, I feel like at this point is just going to be the ever backup, the guy that people
54:24want to have as their backup, but not really as a starter for whatever reason.
54:29So I just think Watson is the most likely to have a starting role that he can keep for at least another year out of these three guys.
54:37So I think that's why he'd be my choice.
54:40Yeah, I think I'm probably on that same case is like it's the Sean Watson or bus here, but I do see
54:47potentially see a path for JJ McCarthy. We were talking about it off air on Friday before process first.
54:52How what if the Giants win the division and they go to the playoffs and JJ McCarthy wins a playoff game because
54:59they beat, you know, somebody else who's has has no quarterback because they got hurt in the last game.
55:05Well, like there's a there's a narrative you could spin here where JJ McCarthy is in the limelight.
55:11He plays well enough to win a game or like deserve respect, even if they didn't win the game.
55:16Right. And that he could turn around and get a job next year.
55:20I will say for any of these guys, whether it's to Sean Watson, Mac Jones or JJ McCarthy, the quarterback market, I
55:27feel like next year is going to be flooded with with new talent and that there's going to be a surplus of quarterbacks available.
55:34So I feel like some quarterback needy teams are going to be either more likely to just bet on a draft pick
55:41or, you know, they're going to bring in a draft pick and pick up one of these guys and have a quarterback competition.
55:48So there may be a little bit of extra risk with those quarterbacks there.
55:52The last one we have on the list here is just Ricky Pearsall injured relevant still to the 49ers.
55:58I don't think they're going to give up on him.
56:01He had surgery on his knee for his PCL repair, which he should have had last season, but didn't.
56:07Obviously, he's out this year. I think in training camp next year, we'll probably see some buzz where he'll come back to relevancy.
56:14Probably not going to be worth the future first anytime into the future.
56:18But I think you can go by really low on him right now.
56:22And there is a chance where he just outshines to John Shribling and anybody else in that room and actually is the
56:29wide receiver one for a very prolific offense, which is the 49ers here.
56:33So any words on Ricky Pearsall? No. Let's move on, man.
56:36We talked about the dark horses. We talked about guys that we like to elevate themselves in value.
56:42Let's talk about some future first fades. Guys that we're selling that are worth a first today, but we're projected to fall outside of that value.
56:50Maybe in the coming months or the off season, it's a little bit unfavorable to them.
56:55I have a list of four guys here. These are all my guys.
56:59You didn't really have a guy necessarily on this list.
57:02I don't know if there's one on this list that you want to talk about.
57:06So I'm just going to take the lead here.
57:09And I'm going to say Travion Henderson, man. Like it's bad.
57:12It's not good. This is not what we imagined for Travion Henderson.
57:16Ramondre Stevenson is not going anywhere. He's on contract through 2028, I believe.
57:20I looked it up. And Travion Henderson, as long as Ramondre Stevenson is there, is going to be the second fiddle.
57:26I'm going to quickly try to pull up to what JJ Zacharias had on a data dump about him.
57:32Because it was, you know, when they were on the field together, it was, you know, just really, really bad success.
57:39Okay, so Travion Henderson has scored more than 15 PPR points in a game where Ramondre Stevenson has been active just twice in his career.
57:46So every time they've been on the field together, except two times, it's been less than 15 PPR points, which is not
57:53what we wanted from a first round draft pick, at least first round rookie draft pick, right?
57:58And for this explosive player that we thought Travion Henderson was going to be.
58:02And he's not the kind of guy either to go, you know, be a diva and like want a bigger role.
58:09Like he's very humble and like just wants to be a team member.
58:13So I don't know. I don't think it's going to happen for Henderson, man.
58:17And I think that there's still some value in his name right now that you could probably get while in season.
58:24But I don't think that changes unless Travion or Ramondre gets an injury.
58:28But even then, Corey Kiner is just going to be.
58:31They want to split the load there in that backfield.
58:34And Hendo's never going to be the one to profit.
58:37Yeah, it feels like a very frustrating situation where you're almost looking for him to, you know, not be there anymore and go to a different situation.
58:45I think the only thing with Ramondre's contract is that there's technically an out after this year.
58:50He does have two more years, but the dead cap is not some horrendous thing.
58:55But you don't see even at the age of 29, you don't see this particular coaching staff going that direction.
59:01Like it doesn't feel like they'd be cutting Ramondre.
59:04And even if they did, like you said, it doesn't seem like they have confidence in Henderson, which is weird because there was no change in coaching staff.
59:12Right. And Henderson was there when Brable was there and coaching.
59:16I guess they did change offensive coordinators. Did they not?
59:19I want to say maybe. Yeah. So maybe that's it.
59:22But it just it seems weird. It's one of those things where you have a college prospect that, you know, seems pretty
59:28good that the NFL thinks that, you know, he was debt drafted decently high.
59:33But it doesn't seem like it's going to happen for him there in New England.
59:37So you're hoping that a trade or just, you know, he gets released or his contract ends out.
59:43But for the now, I think it's not a bad I think you're also going to have a lot of it's going
59:50to marriage if you're a seller with people trying to buy low technically, maybe in their mind.
59:55They thinking Trayvon is still a first plus. And if maybe you could just recuperate your first from that class into 27,
60:01which is, you know, a primo class. I think that would be a smart move to be making.
60:07All right. Of these three guys that I have on the list here, anyone you want to talk about?
60:13Is there someone else you have on your mind that maybe we could talk about here?
60:18No, I mean, I think some of the guys you have like AJ Brown, for example, is a little bit difficult now
60:24just because of how bad he seemed. I definitely think at the beginning of the season, he was one of those guys that you were getting.
60:32Devontae Smith as well, but he's also injured. So I think you need to wait for him to come back.
60:39But if you can get out of Devontae Smith, he was never a player that has shown to be a fantasy relevant asset.
60:46Like people have that in their mind. But if you go look up his the way he's played, I mean, he's never been a top.
60:53He's never been a wide receiver one except one season in terms of his finishes.
60:58He's also never stayed healthy besides like half of the seasons that he's already missed games this one.
61:03So he's going to have like two or three years of finishing healthy in a six or seven year career.
61:09He's getting going to be 27, 28 next year.
61:12So it's just one of those situations where I feel like it's just never going to happen for Devontae Smith.
61:18Maybe he has a game or year in his career, which was supposed to be this one without AJ Brown.
61:24But yeah, for me, I don't know if either of those guys are super exciting for you.
61:30But that's kind of I feel both. I think you have to wait a little bit because otherwise you are selling way
61:36too low to get out because I don't think the bottom is completely falling out, especially because it's due to injuries this year that they're playing so bad.
61:45Like that. I want to wait for them to have a game or two to go sell.
61:50But they're definitely on the radar on the mind, like you said, to fade and try to get a first back if you can.
61:57This one might be a little controversial and maybe like a little bit of a hot take even.
62:03But I put Bo Nix on here and I just think like what we've seen out of the gate here for the
62:10start of the 2026 season has me a little bit worried about how good he actually is.
62:15I mean, you know, even coming in into the league, he was drafted as what, like the quarterback five of the class,
62:22like and not really on a lot of people's radars to be in the mix for a top five quarterback.
62:28So he obviously showed out his rookie year and kind of backed it up last year, not necessarily growing and instilling more confidence in him.
62:35But I'm just a little bit worried that this might be fool's goal here.
62:40And I don't know how you how do you feel about Bo Nix to the start of the season and for the rest of his career here?
62:48Yeah, I mean, if you could get out into something that you feel more sure about, maybe a more sure quarterback.
62:54I don't hate it coming into the season. He was a guy that I was looking to if he just took a
63:01slight step forward in terms of his accuracy, his passing percentage and his passing overall.
63:06He's already finishing top seven as a quarterback and he wasn't being drafted like that.
63:10But he's definitely taking that slight step back, which takes him into quite an abysmal situation.
63:15He had to be dealing with, you know, what was it?
63:19The other play caller for the first three, four games, whatever it is now back with Peyton.
63:24It hasn't looked that much better. I mean, this week it was 15 completions, I think, for 200 yards.
63:30And then he had the giant rushing touchdown and the giant, you know, deep bomb pass.
63:34So it's not like he's still being a prolific passer.
63:37So it's still it's definitely concerning. I think if you were not a Bo Nix believer and you ended up with him
63:44and you were just really happy the last two years, I definitely think his.
63:49Stock is still pretty high, even though it's been pretty rough.
63:52They're winning. So if I could sell and get into a different quarterback and in the same tier just to feel safer, I would I don't hate that.
64:00Yeah, I mean, in the tier that we're looking at, he's kind of slipped to the QB 20 and dynasty rankings right now.
64:07So behind Jalen Hurts, Justin Herbert and Fernando Mendoza and Dak are the four in front of him.
64:13Behind him, you have guys like Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Matt Stafford, Kyler Murray, Michael Penix.
64:18Definitely in that like no man's range, you know, like outside of the guys that you actually want on your team and
64:25outside of the guys that you don't want on your team.
64:28He's just kind of like there. So I don't know, like we were talking about.
64:33Sorry, good. I was going to say, like, if you can afford it or, you know, in terms of like not needing
64:39a quarterback, can you just go send Bo Nix to get Jalen Hurts right now?
64:44Was that a move that you'd be looking to make if Bo Nix was expendable to your roster?
64:49Yeah, I mean, I think if it was or you're a rebuilding team or something, you're not getting that much older.
64:56I don't know. How much is the age difference there?
64:59I don't remember. Two years. Two years. So for a rebuilder, it's not like you're sending him away for a Stafford or something, somebody in their 30s.
65:07That's an interesting one. I was going to bring up a name that we talked about with Michael Penix.
65:13I mean, I think most people would think it's a tear down to go to Bo Nix to Michael Penix.
65:19But like you're talking about, you're a firm believer in the Penix, then, you know, what can you get on top of it?
65:26You know, it's you're getting two extra letters in the last name.
65:30So how much before the next? Exactly. What can you get added on top of Bo Nix if that's the tier?
65:36I think that's a I think most people, if you told them, hey, I'm going to tear down from Bo Nix to Michael Penix.
65:44They would be thinking of a substantial piece or a pretty significant one, I think, even even with the rough start to
65:50this season, because you've still had 30 point games from Bo in squished in between some pretty big stinkers.
65:56So, you know, what what could that be like if you if you were a Michael Penix believer?
66:02I did want to ask you one thing because we were talking about all these wide receivers earlier.
66:07So just before we get out of here with Makai Lemon, Jeremy Bernard, Jalen Coker.
66:12Given and maybe Denzel Boston as well. Right. So think about the most of them are rookies.
66:17Coker is the oldest one. Given their value and age and everything, who would you rather have of all of them?
66:23Like you can go get potentially all of them at their roughly price.
66:27Right. Some of them are calling more than a first other like Coker.
66:31We're calling maybe barely a first. Who would you rather go after?
66:35It's between Makai Lemon and Boston. I like Makai Lemon for the talent, but there's also, you know, the respect for the target share.
66:42And if Devonta Smith is there and then want to be a run first offense and also just what is the Eagles future?
66:49It has me kind of like a very murky picture of what to project for that team.
66:55So that doesn't make me feel great. Whereas Denzel Boston could be the wide receiver one.
66:59And also it feels like the Browns are ascending.
67:02I don't even want to like claim that because I think like as soon as you say it, it's going to like, you know, grasping at straws.
67:10It's just right right out of your grip here.
67:13It's between those two, I think, for me, because like Jeremy Bernard, I do like.
67:18But much like the Philadelphia, like what is the Pittsburgh's offense into the future here?
67:22Right. We don't really have a clear picture. They still have DK Metcalf on for another year here.
67:28And then the other one being Jalen Coker, you know, with Ted Arola McMillan there, Bryce Young ascending.
67:33He's probably like third in line for this. I think that's the way I would go is it's probably Boston Lemon Coker Bernard for me.
67:41Yeah, I think you nailed it. I think for me, it's been Boston and that's the main guy I'm trying to target.
67:48I think there's a lot of savvy moves with those wide receiver two type guys that you were talking about, like Tee
67:55Higgins for Denzel Boston plus, you know, one of these older producing guys.
67:58Maybe Adams would have been beautiful before he got injured, but maybe not the elite guys, but those middle round guys that you could potentially trade off.
68:07So but besides that, man, yeah, I just I thought that was pretty interesting where we're talking about all these wide receivers and they're all fairly young.
68:15Like, who would you rather have? And I think I have it pretty much exactly that way.
68:20Yeah, the Coker is pretty interesting. If you want to tear off of him to get into one of these younger guys
68:27who maybe has a higher ceiling because it's just they're so new in their career, whereas Coker has been in the league for a few years now.
68:35We we kind of know what to expect from him, although it's been injury riddled.
68:40You know, maybe he's the Parker Washington breakout of next year, something like that.
68:44Highly unlikely, I think, with Tett being there. But that's an interesting one.
68:48You know, Coker for for Boston. Maybe maybe you get that done.
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