The FF Dynasty - Backfields We Hate! Must Avoid Running Backs
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45 min
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Aug 10, 2026
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Mon, August 10, 2026
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12
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Jadarian PriceTravis EtienneAlvin KamaraChris RodriguezEmanuel WilsonGeorge HolaniJeremiyah LoveKaytron AllenKendre MillerTank BigsbyTyler AllgeierZach Charbonnet
Player analysis
Player insights
Alvin Kamara
PositiveProjection1:50
Alvin Kamara is expected to outperform current market expectations, which will negatively impact Travis Etienne's fantasy value. Despite being 31, Kamara remains a significant factor in the Saints' backfield, and his presence as a 'PPR scam' makes him a redundant but dangerous threat to Etienne's workload.
Insight pageChris Rodriguez
PositiveSleeper41:55
Chris Rodriguez is a target in best ball formats due to his potential for spike-week touchdown production; he could replicate a Jamal Williams 2022-style season given his familiarity with offensive coordinator Liam Cohen from their time at Kentucky.
Insight pageEmanuel Wilson
PositiveDepth Chart18:07
Emmanuel Wilson is identified as a quality player who could be a 'sneaky' fantasy asset. Despite competition from George Holani, Wilson is viewed as a player with more talent than his current standing suggests, though his path to playing time remains uncertain.
Insight pageGeorge Holani
NegativeRole18:52
George Holani appears to be competing for the third-down role in the Seahawks' backfield. If he secures this role, it would significantly diminish the fantasy appeal of Jadarian Price, as Price would lose the high-value passing-down opportunities needed to sustain fantasy relevance.
Insight pageJadarian Price
NegativeUsage10:40
Jadarian Price is a 'buyer beware' candidate in redraft leagues. While he may see early-season usage, his fantasy value is expected to decline as Zach Charbonnet returns from injury and potentially takes over high-value touches, similar to how Kareem Hunt capped Nick Chubb's ceiling in Cleveland.
Insight pageNegativeValue21:06
Jadarian Price is a polarizing pick in the sixth round; while he is a solid long-term dynasty asset, the speakers are hesitant to draft him in redraft leagues due to concerns about his path to consistent volume and the organization's usage patterns.
Insight pageJeremiyah Love
NegativeProjection32:07
Jeremiah Love is a high-end dynasty prospect, but redraft managers should be cautious due to the Cardinals' projected poor offensive scoring and the presence of Tyler Allgeier, who will likely siphon short-yardage and goal-line work.
Insight pageKaytron Allen
PositiveSleeper25:54
Katron Allen is considered a capable professional running back who could win over coaches, making him a viable late-round or waiver-wire stash in deeper formats, though he remains a secondary piece in a crowded backfield.
Insight pageKendre Miller
NegativeDepth Chart7:52
Kendra Miller is considered a deep-league stash candidate. With an ADP around RB120, he is a player to hold in dynasty formats to see if he can eventually factor into the Saints' backfield rotation, though he has struggled with injuries throughout his career.
Insight pageTank Bigsby
PositiveBust43:39
The speakers are not fully bought into Tank Bigsby this year, preferring to wait and see if he proves his capability before investing, even if it means missing out on a potential breakout.
Insight pageTravis Etienne
NegativeRole1:41
Travis Etienne's fantasy outlook has soured due to the presence of Alvin Kamara, which creates a committee situation that lowers Etienne's passing-down and reception ceiling. While Etienne is a talented player, the team's commitment to Kamara suggests a 'hot hand' approach that caps the upside for both players, making Etienne a risky pick at his current redraft ADP of 3.11.
Insight pageNegativeProjection42:49
The speakers discuss whether the current Jacksonville running back situation can produce a player as effective as Travis Etienne was last season, noting that the team needs a great running back to emerge.
Insight pageTyler Allgeier
NegativeUsage34:10
Tyler Allgeier remains a threat to Jeremiah Love's fantasy ceiling, as he is expected to continue receiving significant red-zone and short-yardage touches in a low-scoring offense.
Insight pageZach Charbonnet
PositiveRole14:31
Zach Charbonnet is viewed as a high-upside late-round target, especially in best ball formats. Reports suggest he could return as early as October, and his ability to command high-value touches in the red zone makes him a threat to relegate Jadarian Price to a secondary role.
Insight pageFull transcript
Episode Transcript
0:00What is good? We're back and we've done the backfields we love and now we are going to hit the backfields we hate.
0:07You know, these are going to be backfields that the competition is a little more open on or ambiguous if you will.
0:14I've got Shev, I've got Jeremiah, we've got the Fantasy Power Thrupple ready to dissect some backfields here.
0:20Now again, this is going to be a little bit more pointed towards redraft for, you know, coming into the season, but
0:26we'll also think about the backfields we love. We'll throw the Dynasty lens on how we view these backfields because that would
0:33be a little different for some of the players in the backfield, but generally what's moving the needle here is that we
0:40don't like it for the upcoming season. So, Jeremiah, Shev, who wants to go first?
0:45You know what? I'm going to choose. I'm going to let Shev go first here because if you have some hate in your heart, let it out.
0:53Yeah. If you don't like the New Orleans Saints backfield, there's not something wrong with you.
0:58There's something wrong with the New Orleans Saints backfield.
1:01So first and foremost on this side of the dirt, we got to deal with Travis Etienne, Ray Chan.
1:07My apologies. My apologies, Mama A-chan. I don't mean any disrespect.
1:10Salutations. Let's keep it moving. So they give him all of this money and then they just, they extended Alvin Kamara two years ago.
1:17He's in the final year of his deal, if I'm not mistaken.
1:21And just when we thought it was safe, we thought for sure that this meant that there was going to be no more Alvin Kamara.
1:29Alvin Kamara, who famously said, Hey, if you trade me, I will retire.
1:33So, you know, Mickey Loomis in all of his infinite wisdom and paying Taysom Hill and giving his family generational wealth for
1:40no apparent reason over the course of many, many years has done the same thing with Alvin Kamara now.
1:46So at least like we know that he's just got like fetishes for different players.
1:50And so we had a situation that would be phenomenal with Kellen Moore, but we get stuck with, there's some sort of committee, like just committee.
1:58I don't know how the touches are going to be divvied up now.
2:02Travis, Travis, Travis, a chance passing, passing down ceiling and reception ceiling is obviously lowered.
2:07It's it probably will be some sort of hot hand approach unless Alvin Kamara is, is hurt removed from a lot of,
2:14he has lost the last two seasons to injury at the end of the season.
2:19And he's a 31 year old running back. So it's, it went from a beautiful thing when Travis H and initially signed
2:25with the new Orleans saints to really more so of just a 2026 headache where we're, we're capping both players.
2:32We're not going to get a ceiling out. We're probably going to get, if I had to, if I had to say
2:38it, we're going to get a better outcome from Alvin Kamara than we think.
2:43And that is going to hurt more, hurt eight, hurt a chance more than it would.
2:48If vice versa, if he, if Alvin Kamara is going to be a pain in the butt to everyone involved with Travis
2:55H and they got involved in that business over the course of the last six to eight months, we saw him play really well.
3:02We know he's good at football. What does Alvin Kamara have left in the tank?
3:07So you're left with more questions and answers. And we thought that this was going to be pretty easily answered when they
3:13gave Travis H and all that money. Yeah, no, that's certainly interesting that, you know, you, I think when that first happened,
3:20the signing that is for ET to go over to new Orleans, go home to new Orleans.
3:25You, you were excited. You were like, Ooh, this is great.
3:29This is a, this is an up and coming ecosystem.
3:32We like everything about it. We like Kellen Moore.
3:35We like, we saw good things from Shuck. They added a first round receiver, more weapons.
3:40This is exciting. And then Alvin Kamara, all of a sudden just started just sticking his hand up out of the dirt
3:47and being like, Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
3:50And you know, the thing is, is if, if this offense does improve, takes another step forward, right.
3:55And you get the Mark Ingram, Alvin Kamara, except I think the roles would be maybe swapped around a little for those
4:02two players at, you know, ET and, and AK right now.
4:05Um, it still can be a very good outcome.
4:08It's just, I think because we needed to temper our expectations from what we were expecting ET to be.
4:14And that's where you have the hate, right? Cause you're at three 11 right now with ETN.
4:19And while, you know, that could be just fine.
4:22Um, or at one point I would have been excited about that where now I'm like, ah, that there's much more pause in me.
4:30Clicking the button for redraft dynasty wise. He's in our crowdsource, super flexed and premium.
4:34He's dropped a couple of spots. He's at 88 RB 21 mid seventh round ish.
4:39That's, you know, I think I would be buying ETN at the back half of this season.
4:44If I'm in a dynasty position, because I do think he's a really good player.
4:49He's 27 and a half. So regardless, his value is just going to keep, even if the season is better than we
4:56think it's going to be value is going to keep going down and dynasty.
5:00So I think he's a nice contender by near the end of the season.
5:04Cause if you're not a contender, you're going to be wanting to get out of the ET business anyway, cause he's not one of the elites.
5:12And we see the price tag and value of all those guys decline, even though they're still very useful from a points getting perspective.
5:20And I think that's what Travis ETN will be.
5:23And people will be, have a sour taste in their mouth about ETN at the end of the season.
5:29And that's, I think when the time is going to be right to pounce on it and dynasty, but right now hard
5:35to click on a startup either way, Jeremiah, your thoughts on, um, the new Orleans running back situation.
5:41You go three 12 in the redraft streets, having to click on Travis ETN.
5:45That's big trouble, especially juxtaposed with Alvin Kamara, because now the problem in getting away from Jacksonville, it was the skill sets
5:52didn't overlap between ETN and Bajal Tootin, but now they do.
5:56And they're redundant to a degree with the PPR scam.
5:59That is Alvin Kamara. So Alvin Kamara, you can get in round 13 in the redraft streets to your point.
6:05He's no longer really an asset you want in dynasty Alvin Kamara, but HN ETN, it's a high steep price right now in the redraft streets.
6:13And to your point in the dynasty startup, it's taken a little bit away from that and shy of like a Rob
6:20Gronkowski, because this was like the Rob Gronkowski scenario where, Hey, you're going to trade me to the lions back when they sucked.
6:27Hey, I'm retiring. I'm out. And then it vetoed that.
6:30I think the same leverage applies to Kamara. And because of how things have gone with that franchise, they want to treat Alvin Kamara right to the end.
6:39Right. So there's nothing out there. And unfortunately that's going to be kind of damaging to us.
6:44So if you take running backs around like, uh, Cam Scadbo, who goes after in the redraft streets at 41 overall, Bucky
6:51Irving, 44, Travion Henderson, 48 at the 412. Quinch on Jenkins at the five one David Montgomery at the five three, I'm rattling all those guys off.
6:59There's a lot more safety and shorty in those players.
7:02And even with Travion Henderson, who has Ramondre Stevenson in the way they're still set.
7:07Doesn't overlap near the same. So again, a problem there.
7:10And as Shev duly pointed out. Yeah. So, I mean, I can, I can get on board with the kind of hating that, that situation right now.
7:18Um, but the, the offense is rather tantalizing is the only thing of like, Hey, there could be plenty of touchdowns, uh, to go.
7:26And if, if Olave and, and Tyson are terrorizing, then it should be easier sledding for any of the running game.
7:32And you know, it could be fine, but it's, it's definitely something that is, has not been a fun click.
7:38And I haven't really been doing it all in either, which way now, uh, the dynasty wise real quick, Shev, and then
7:45I'll, I'll let you hop in there. Um, you know, the, the two other assets in there are Neil and, and Kendra
7:52Miller, both are stashes in my opinion. Like if this thing goes, goes a one, two punch this year, like I have
7:59every bit of faith that Devin Neal could be part of that one, two punch in the next year.
8:05Or, you know, at least factoring in or being a bigger factor of, Hey, this is your backup running back.
8:11If anything should happen. And then Kendra Miller, these are both guys, Devin Neal on our crowdsource FFD is 457 RB 113 and Kendra Miller's RB like 120.
8:20Uh, so stash those guys away and, and bigger, deeper leagues.
8:23I think both are solid players, just, you know, injuries for, both of them so far throughout their career.
8:29Uh, Shev, tighten us up here and we'll move on.
8:32Well, I like what you did there. The, the, just the, the timeline of events for everybody involved is, oh, Travis HN goes to the saints.
8:40I feel like a Viagra pill of the face.
8:43And then we just gradually, the excitement just gradually dies down until we get some sort of, some sort of definitive outcome on Alvin Kamara.
8:51You can't, you can't predict a high end RB two ceiling or even, you know, just an RB one finish with how
8:57much of the passing game is going to get, that's going to get siphoned off from Travis, Travis, Travis HN to lower his ceiling.
9:05So again, astute point to say, Hey, you need to be buying in dynasty at, you know, at, at different, you know,
9:12at the trade deadline, you know, where you're at team wise, you need to unload them.
9:17If you're, if you're trying to rebuild, he doesn't fit that building award, but that's a guy that falls into that money, money, money, winners, value losers.
9:25Bucket. And he will be there expeditiously. So yeah, it's a great.
9:29And you can, you know, probably not the best time to sell ETM, but people, if you're in dynasty and you're not
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10:29Appreciate y'all. Peace. Jeremiah, tell us a backfield, ambiguous open backfield that you're just unsettled on or you hate, hate, hate.
10:35Loathe entirely. This one is going to be buyer beware, understand what you're buying.
10:40Caveat emptor here. Generian price, Seattle Seahawks. Generian price from Redraft Street skills, 6-5.
10:44And then Zach Charbonnet, 6 rounds later at the 12-2.
10:47This is what I can't help but envision. I can recall, and I've been talking to Shev about this, the Cleveland Browns
10:54years ago when they signed Kareem Hunt off the 8-game suspension.
10:57Everyone and their mother was like, it's going to be irrelevant.
11:01It's not going to cap anything for Chubb's ceiling.
11:04It's all Nick Chubb. You don't even have to worry about it.
11:07Oh, it's so far away. It's 8 weeks away.
11:10You don't even have to worry. Oh, it'll be by about week 10 when everything ramps up because I think they had a bye week somewhere.
11:18So it really won't be until most of the season is gone, and it really won't affect.
11:23What happened when Kareem Hunt showed up? You had just an annoying touchdown in there every single game.
11:29You always had plays where it was a series and a rotation of Kareem Hunt coming in, and we never got that
11:36ceiling that we wanted out of Nick Chubb. It's one of the biggest frustrations I have just for the guy's career.
11:42We never really got to see just unadulterated Nick Chubb.
11:45I see that happening with Zach Charbonnet, be it not a suspension but coming off of injury.
11:51So whether that's halfway through the season, whether that's 10 games in, if it's the first month of the season because it's
11:58an unexpected hurry back, I just think you're going to get off to a hot start.
12:02You're going to love the usage that Jadarian Price has.
12:06But I think buyer beware as the season goes on, be prepared for other running backs hopefully to ascend and climb up.
12:12So the types of running backs that you're getting are hopefully going to be other ramp-up players on the back half of
12:19the season because I think it's going to level off for Jadarian Price.
12:23So it's going to appear good. It's going to taste good at first, and then it's going to get rotten because of Zach Charbonnet coming back.
12:31Go ahead, Chef. There's a couple things here. First of all, you yearning for a full Chubb is just diabolical.
12:38I just wanted to point that out. Blue, two, gold.
12:41We can't skip over that. But I'm 1,000% with you.
12:44I do think that this is going to turn into – I mean, here's my logic, and you guys can tell me if I'm mistaken.
12:51The way that they've used this backfield with McDonald, we had one offensive coordinator who would feature a runner.
12:57Then we had a guy who wanted to very clearly use a committee at all costs, no matter how inefficient it looked.
13:04Now we're back in a wild card territory, and the team, the GM who made this selection, is known to play whoever
13:11shows – like, this is an organization who will play the best player.
13:15That's not – I feel like that's more of an ethos than it is just a coaching philosophy.
13:21So you're taking Jadarian Price with the historical success rates on his side.
13:25He's a first-round running back and a successful offense.
13:27But what if he doesn't demand or command the snap share?
13:31We know for a fact that Mike McDonald or whatever, whichever McDonald it is, or Mickey D's, loves Zach Charbonnet like another kid.
13:38So once he's active – and now he's going – now apparently he's going to be active much earlier than what we anticipated.
13:45A lot of heat was coming out, say, in November.
13:48And now it's like, well, he could be ready by the beginning of October.
13:53That's a significant portion of the fantasy season. So, Casey, I would love to hear – I'd love to hear what your thoughts are.
14:00But I just – I agree with everything Jeremiah said, and I can't be in on this backfield for that specific reason.
14:07I'm not necessarily in on price. I could see where there would be a scenario where I would almost have to be
14:14in on price, just if my draft panned out a certain way or I clicked – you know, I need kind of a running back in that area.
14:22We can talk about that for a second later.
14:25Charbonnet is somebody who I kind of don't mind because it is – it does get pretty late.
14:31And you're like, hey, if I could manage to hold on to this guy and I only – it only costs me
14:37like a 12th round pick, this could be awesome at some point, but it could just be a nightmare.
14:43It would be kind of one of those where this would be like an every other draft scenario for me where it's
14:50like, yeah, I'd pull the trigger on Charbonnet in 50% to 40% of drafts just to see.
14:55And like I don't mind it in best ball right now.
14:59If he comes back and just can get some touchdowns, you know, that would be a great bump that you got in
15:06the 12th round or whatever it is in best ball.
15:09So, I do kind of like that part. The biggest part for me is just like Kubiak's gone.
15:14And the guy who's coming in, Eric Fleury, I believe is his name from Sam Fran.
15:19Sam Fran. Brian Fleury. Ryan Fleury. Already not just no name or as it seems.
15:24And he was a tight ends coach and he's been in that organization.
15:28Like very familiar with kind of a stylistically of how I would believe that the Seahawks want to go about doing what they're doing.
15:35I'm sure that's a big reason why they hired him.
15:39But there's just – you don't know anything about him.
15:42Now, you know, the Shanahan tree has been fairly successful at times throughout the league moving into HC or rather OC positions.
15:48But it's not 100% for sure. And there's certainly been plenty of failures.
15:52I just – I don't know that this offensive roster with somebody who's never done this before is something that I want
15:59to buy into outside of, you know, JSN really.
16:02Right? And, you know, I think Sam's going to be just fine.
16:06Right? I think at this point, you know, he – Sam is – the best part I've liked about Sam over the
16:13last couple of years is having been with Shanahan and then was kind of – Kubiak was like a cheat code already to in there.
16:20Now you get somebody else who's been familiar with Sam.
16:23So I think all those things are positive for him.
16:27I just don't know how this guy's going to call a game, what stylistically, what he's going to run, if it's going
16:33to work, if he's just going to – if it's just going to be a lost year for this offense and he's
16:40out after a year or he's the next hot thing.
16:43That's really the biggest factor in this that I don't really love because I like Price a little bit more than you guys as just a player.
16:52I just don't know about this scenario here being the best situation for him year one.
16:57And then one more note on this too. I should have led off with it.
17:01If Zach Charbonnet could relegate the frustration aggravation that we saw last year with Kenneth Walker and take him off the field, mog him, right?
17:09All the kids say you got mogged in the red zone.
17:12Hate that. Got red zone mogged. Who is Jadarian Price to get in the way of somebody like Zach Charbonnet?
17:19When you compare Ken Walker's prospect profile to Jadarian Price.
17:22So if it can happen to Kenneth Walker, it can happen to Jadarian Price.
17:26Now here would be the caveat for me. If Jadarian Price is going to come out there and catch a decent amount
17:33of balls, then all bets are off and this is fine.
17:36I don't get caught up in his profile from college suggesting that he can't do that.
17:41He's too good of an athlete to not be able to catch footballs, especially checkdowns and stuff.
17:47But if that is going to be a big part of what Jadarian Price can do for this offense, then I think this is fine.
17:54That'd be my kind of one caveat there, regardless of the play calling.
17:58That almost be like the play calling is terrible.
18:01Just run around out there and dump it down to price.
18:05Now is, is Helani or Wilson worth anything in this offense to you guys?
18:09I don't know how Wilson is not well over Helani.
18:12I'm not out there. I don't know, but everything indicates that that's not the case.
18:17I would have bet my life that that was not going to be the case.
18:21I thought every time I've seen Wilson, he's been a solid player, so I don't really understand that one unless Helani is awesome.
18:28And if that's the case and he's keeping him off the field, is he worth a roster spot here at all?
18:35I mean, I feel like you feel I feel like you have to.
18:39If the team is telling you, as our good friend Joseph says, you can't coach your bets.
18:44The team's telling you what they're doing, what they're doing with a player.
18:48We can wish cast all we want to. I can, I can go into the prayer closet and ask for Brashard Smith until I'm blue in the face.
18:57If the team says no, the team just says no.
19:00You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, it makes, to me, to me, based on what I've seen in my eyeballs, I
19:07think that, I mean, I think that George, or excuse me, Emmanuel Wilson is a quality player.
19:12And I thought that this was not a nothing signing and that he would be a sneaky, sneaky deaky pick.
19:18But apparently George Helani is just doing everything that he can to keep that from happening.
19:23So we got to, we have to adapt. We can't be stuck to our priors.
19:28You got to be right so you don't have to get right.
19:32And if Helani is going to be like, is projecting as maybe the third down guy right now, is that kind of how we're seeing it?
19:40Or is that, or are we seeing it vice versa with price being the third down guy?
19:45Cause if reports are out there, but if Helani is going to be the third down guy, or at least projected as
19:52the third down guy, does that skew your thought process on price catching balls?
19:56Yes, you have to, because, okay. Okay. Again, it goes back to, it goes back to the Bejal Tootin problem.
20:02It goes back to the problems that you have when you, when there's a running back that you know, you're going to use between the twenties.
20:10And when we get to third down or we get to the red zone, that's not the same guy that's going to be on the field.
20:18No, no. He could be awesome. He could give us 14.
20:22He could give us 14 carries for 75 yards and give us 7.5 PPR points.
20:26And everybody's going to be like, this guy sucks.
20:29And he could be out there doing the most awesome stuff.
20:33And it's not going to matter for fantasy. Yeah.
20:35If he's not getting high value touches, it can't be great for fantasy.
20:39Yeah. For price. You mean? Yes. Yeah. Especially at a, and redraft 6.5.
20:44We lived through, yeah, we lived through this with Kenneth Walker just last year.
20:48We all know how awesome three sticks is. Right.
20:51And we had to live through, we had to live through this.
20:54And I, I don't think there's any world anywhere where we would say Jadarian Price right now today is a better football player than Kenneth Walker.
21:02Yeah. I wouldn't. Yeah. I know. So, so. Really not.
21:06Yeah. In the sixth round, you're, you're, you're, you have to draft like you're right.
21:10And it's not comfortable. I'm not comfortable making that decision.
21:13Unilaterally, Jeremiah, you and I talked about the fact that, Hey, if you take Jadarian Price, it's irresponsible to not take him at a certain point.
21:21But the point where I have to take him, I'm clicking the button in so many different directions before I get there.
21:28So that's why I don't have as much Jadarian Price.
21:31I'm fine living with that just based on what I've seen from that organization.
21:36And we can move on because I didn't mean to talk about this for this long, but I just don't, I don't
21:42see the clear path that everybody else sees. Everybody else acts like this is a Mario and Hampton or whatever, whatever it is.
21:50And it's not that. Yeah. Yeah. Real, real quick.
21:52And dynasty heat right now on the super flex PPR crowdsourcing, he's at 86 RB 20 up a spot or two.
21:59I don't hate that price tag, you know, especially dynasty long-term.
22:02I think he's, he's going to be a solid player.
22:05Yes. From a dynasty perspective. Absolutely. I'm fine with that.
22:08Right now. And if we're talking redraft and where you have to get him to score points in your lineup, I would make a different bet.
22:16Yeah. All right. Let's move on. We've got another backfield here that both of you guys unanimously entered into the sweepstakes here.
22:23So I don't know who wants to take it first, but the commanders here make the list for both Shev and, and Jeremiah.
22:30Um, and I would tend to agree, although I, I don't mind having, it seems very accessible to have two of the three.
22:38And I think for me, that's probably a bit more of a dynasty thing than a redraft thing.
22:43Um, but how do you guys, what are we hating about this backfield?
22:47Take whoever wants to go. So you have unlimited angular access at the current ADP.
22:52You got Rashad white at one 79, Ja'Core Bill, Bill Krosky married at one 63 and Katron Allen at one 81.
22:58It's just a cluster in the late rounds. You just call your shot.
23:02And we've talked, we talked about this on the Patreon when we went over the NFC East, I believe Casey, uh, or actually no, no, no.
23:10Maybe you stepped out for a second, but my problem is I, I need Rashad white to win this job outright because
23:17if he wins it, then there's a good chance that he handles a three down three down workload and he just gets spelled.
23:24If bill wins it, then 1000% percent Rashad white is going to still be involved in terms of past protection, the third
23:31down roll, all those things, whether or not bill is the more efficient runner.
23:36We know that, but that's not where Rashad white's bread gets buttered.
23:39And this is a team, even though they got them on a cheap deal, it's one year, $2 million.
23:45He's going to show up in the passing game and limit whoever else there is.
23:50So I'd rather have Rashad white win this. And if it's not going to be him, then it just kind of turns
23:57into a mess in my opinion, because he's going to be involved in some way, shape or form that therefore capping the
24:03other player that takes the lead as the early down back.
24:07What do you think Jeremiah? And real quick, what you were noting there was the super flex PPR dynasty HP currently in redraft.
24:14We have Rashad white at one Oh five nine nine JCM to Corey cross Kimera at 10 nine.
24:20And I don't have Kate Ron Allen will be, you know, basically your last round pick or so in there, if you wanted to grab him as well.
24:28So Jeremiah, tell us your thoughts on this backfield and why they made the list free.
24:33I'm sure some of the same sentiments are there, but give us a preview of your mindset on this.
24:39You're asking me. Yeah, you. Okay. All right. So with Corey cross Kimera, this is what you just don't put back in
24:46the bottle, 800 rushing yards and eight rushing touchdowns.
24:49So I think this is one of those things where with Rashad white, we've had anywhere from 40 receptions to 64 receptions.
24:56You can print 50 receptions and feel really well off.
24:59But to chef's point, if it's not all Rashad white, it's just going to be cut up slices of nobody really is happy.
25:06And this kind of reeks of a backfield. The offense will be ebulent.
25:10Jaden Daniels is going to return to form. You're going to have Terry McLaurin going off.
25:15Ideally, you get somebody like Stefan digs in there.
25:18Got Antonio Williams who can show some dynamism. There's a lot that can go right for the commanders as a whole offense as a unit.
25:25Hey, hang five touchdowns on a weekly basis, five, six touchdowns.
25:29And it's just excellent problem being though. This is probably going to be more of a real life NFL.
25:35Damn your fantasy football team usage where it's a whole cut up of bill cross key merit running it on a given week.
25:42Then another week, it's Rashad white getting a lot of the angular access in the passing game, chopping it up and nobody's ever going to be consistently happy.
25:50And then to our preseason takes and our run out on Katron Allen.
25:54He's a good capable back. He's a professional running back and he's going to win coaches over.
26:00So he still has that ability. We saw what he did with Nicholas Singleton at Penn state.
26:05So it's just like a cut up pie of nobody's really getting the job and everybody's going to wish cast want cast somebody like a Rashad white.
26:13Cause he got that teammate angle with Jane Daniels, but I see it just being more of a headache to where the
26:20lazy analysis would be, well, in best ball, let me click bill and be happy whenever those eight to 10 touchdowns occur,
26:27whenever that 800 to a thousand rushing yards occur.
26:30And then other weeks, if I've got Rashad white, whenever those four or five passes occur and it's 50 receiving yards and
26:37a touchdown, and he's getting 16 ish points. You're incredibly thrilled because of the price point that you paid, but it will
26:43be aggravating week to week, kind of like Matthew Barry, shout out to Matthew Barry.
26:48You guys know him. When you talk about whack-a-mole, you're just not going to know which week and in redraft and in
26:55some of your managed dynasty, who to put in your lineup, you're going to be aggravated.
27:00Yeah. I, again, I, you know, I don't mind having two of the three and dynasty.
27:05I don't mind having the two of the three and best ball either for just the reason that you're stating.
27:11Like if, and it's usually cross key merit and Katron Allen, cause Katron Allen's really or rather Rashad white and Katron Allen.
27:18Cause Katron Allen's usually pretty free. And that gives me two of the three.
27:22Um, just like you said, that would be with an injury probably with Katron Allen, unless he's just undeniably that good, uh,
27:29which I don't know that he'll be able to be as dynamic as, as bill shows.
27:34My question was in, when we did the patron was like, if we're going to week three and or week, the third
27:41week of August or whatever, we're getting there and you still have drafts, right?
27:45And, and cross key merit is like, Hey, this guy is clearly our guy now.
27:50And we are just going to spell him with Rashad white.
27:53He will mix in on third downs and do stuff.
27:56Does that make this? I know you guys have kind of stated that.
28:00No, not really. To me, that would give me at least a little bit more confidence to draft bill.
28:06It would probably move his ADP off of 10, which is where I would be like, Hey, I don't, I probably don't want to mess with it.
28:14But if it stayed around there and we did get reports of like cross key merit could certainly be dynamic.
28:21Uh, but you, you guys are of the mindset of, you would rather see that go to Rashad white.
28:27Then you would be more comfortable drafting him. If they named cross key merit, you're still hesitant.
28:32Is that the way that I'm reading that? I would have to.
28:36So it would have to be, we'd have to get the Bucky Irving run out because I don't think that they're just,
28:42I don't think that there's anything that JCM can do right out of the gate to just them cut Rashad white's water
28:49off in terms of his touches early in the season.
28:52I, I just don't, I think they're going to get into a game situation and be like, man, you should have done this better.
29:00You should have done this better. And Rashad white does those things.
29:03He's, he's improved as a runner between the tackles, you know, four, three, a carry, I believe in back-to-back years.
29:10And he was, I mean, honestly, he was better on the ground than Bucky.
29:14So I would, I either, I need going into the season.
29:17I needed to be Rashad white. And then if he gets usurped by JCM or K Tron, then that's what happens.
29:24But out of the gate, I want it to be Rashad white, just so we have some sort of stability and I can be like, all right, cool.
29:33I can stash Ja'Cory Krosky merit. And if we get into week three, week four, week five, and he's consistently more efficient
29:39and he's earning more and more touches, I can be comfortable with that.
29:43But if it's the other way around and he gets off to a slow start or he fucking fumbles like he did
29:50early in the season last year, then we're just going to be in this no man's land of just hot hand approach.
29:57And it just cripples everyone from a fantasy perspective.
30:00And we've got everything that we want. We've got a rebuilt offensive line.
30:04We've got a mobile quarterback. We've got everything that we want in terms of a running back with a huge runway to be great for fantasy.
30:12And it just won't be, in my opinion, if we're just mixing and matching and playing whack-a-mole to borrow Jeremiah's term earlier
30:19in terms of picking who's going to be the back on a weekend, week out basis.
30:24So for redraft, it's super gross for dynasty. Yes.
30:27Two out of the three hell three out of three because Rashad white's going to be on a new team next year, unless he balls out this year.
30:35JCM will be going in a year three of a rookie deal and Katron Allen will be going in a year two of a rookie deal.
30:43So, you know, you're going to be splitting those aces at some point or another in the near future.
30:49Right. Or they just come in with a Trump card and take a big time guy early or something.
30:55And yeah. And then you're out of it, but it's your cost for almost any of the acquisition cost in dynasty for
31:02bill cross key merit or bill and Katron Allen was not a lot.
31:06And, you know, Rashad white has been kind of all over the place and it's still pretty cheap.
31:11So, all right. All right. I like that. The real, the reason I said that was just because I feel like cross
31:18key merits the most dynamic of all of them.
31:21And then if he got the lion's share of the opportunity, I felt like it could be turned into something that was magnified potentially.
31:29Yes. No, no, no, no. I'm 1000% in alignment with everything that you just said.
31:33I just don't think that they're going to hand it over to him early on.
31:38Yeah. All right. All right. I got two more backfields.
31:41I'm just going to float out here before we wrap today's episode up, Arizona.
31:45And this is, this is strictly on a redraft lens.
31:48And the next, and Jacksonville is the other one strictly on a redraft lens.
31:53I guess we could kind of look at that one on a dynasty lens too, but obviously everybody was as fine with Jeremiah love dynasty wise.
32:01Right. And they've got a cluster of other running backs behind them.
32:04And I think that's what clogs it up for redraft this year is like, Hey, you brought in Algeria, you paid him.
32:11And people do, you know, Matt Flynn is, you know, people, organizations do things before they have the opportunity to be in
32:18the draft or, or go through camp and say, Hey, I really like this guy.
32:23And you know, Hey, it is what it is.
32:26You're going to make some mistakes or it's not even a mistake.
32:29You, you might've made the right play. And now, Hey, we're going to, we got to correct it because what we're seeing
32:36on the field, we can't just tell we're going to make our team worse because this guy's, we paid him and we
32:43got to make sure we pay him. But what we've been seeing in practice is this guy's better than that guy.
32:49Right. Um, so, and I'm not saying that's the case with love.
32:53I'm just saying, Hey, they paid Algier, Connor, they brought him back.
32:57I do think one of these guys probably gets traded out of here at some point, Connor or Benson or, you know, somebody.
33:04Um, but Jeremiah love is really the main attraction here.
33:07And at, you know, for redraft right now at, you know, pick 23 overall is, is that, you know, to me, I
33:14don't know that I'm jumping on that grenade super happily right now.
33:18And maybe I'm, I wanted to bring this up because maybe you guys feel differently.
33:22Maybe you guys have a different opinion there. I just feel like Algier is there.
33:27There's obviously, you know, whatever they made him, their RB.
33:30They made love the RB to go into the, I don't care at all about that.
33:35It doesn't matter. Obviously love is their guy. He's a stud.
33:38Um, but year one, you could certainly see Algier just being on the field.
33:43Let's not burn our guy out. Let's let's let love do his thing.
33:47Even if love is doing his thing, like how great can it be?
33:51There's a, there's a realm where Jacoby Brissett can make this offense fun and the Cardinals still aren't good.
33:57Um, but is this, is this cause I kind of hate it.
34:00I kind of hate taking love and redraft. And I, this could be a all time flub on my part, but where do you guys stand on this?
34:09Go ahead. You're, you're, you're on the right track Casey, because if we just go by Vegas and follow what they have,
34:16the Cardinals are a bottom five team in points per game projected.
34:20So they're already a bottom five team projected in scoring.
34:23So, Hey, how many touchdowns are there to go around per game between 27 and 36 red zone touches last three seasons for Tyler Algier.
34:30That's going to suck. That is going to be a dick ass situation that we are not going to like when there's
34:37two touchdowns out there in the Russian game. One of them's going to go to Algier when there's three, one of them's going to go to Algier frustratingly.
34:46You're not going to get as many of the ceiling games as we want from Jeremiah love.
34:51And trust me, there's somebody who wants them to succeed.
34:54It's me. But you have carries the last three seasons attempts for Tyler Algier, 186, 137, 143.
35:00Basically all that to say, it's not nothing. It's going to be enough to put a little dent long-term.
35:05Nothing's going to stop somebody like Jeremiah love. But if we've had that aggravation from not getting the entire ceiling from B.
35:12John Robinson, who we project to have like a 2018 Christian McCaffrey year this year, you can posit the same thing that
35:19Tyler Algier could do it to Jeremiah love. It can happen and it can be aggravating and frustrating when you throw in
35:26that they're going to be a dog water team over their entirety of the season.
35:31And then Carson Beck could be in there at some point.
35:34There's reason to be reticent in the redraft streets, just on a holistic approach, not the prospect, like you said, safe and dynasty.
35:41So there's two scenarios that you, one of which you've alluded to ever so, ever so smoothly with the B.
35:47John Robinson run out from his rookie season where he's basically 200 carries, 970 yards and Tyler Algier is just siphoning off just, just magnificent fantasy goodness.
35:56And the other scenario is the Saquon Barkley scenario where he comes in and he just is undeniable.
36:01It's like, Oh yeah, no, we gotta, we, we've got to hand this to, we gotta hand it all to him right now.
36:08And we're just going to do that because he's our best player.
36:12So I don't think that we're living in the Saquon Barkley scenario.
36:16And that's kind of what I've trained my mind to.
36:19I do think that Jeremiah Love has the type of dynamism that would make you that if he were given 350 touches,
36:26he would be probably the dynasty number one running back overall.
36:29But I don't think that happens this year. Yeah.
36:32I think we're going to be capped. I think as Jeremiah alluded to, it's just not going to be, it's not going
36:39to be a scenario where we get the best version of Jeremiah Love.
36:43We'll get flashes. It'll be awesome. He is cemented as the, as the RB, the running by the rookie running back one,
36:50a top five running back in dynasty. Sure. Probably a lot of people's RB three, but you're going to have to, you're
36:56going to have to practice some patience delayed, not denied from him actually giving you a high end RB one overalls.
37:03Like threatening for that in 2026. If you do that, you expect that you're going, I feel like you're going to be disappointed.
37:10So for redraft, I can't be, I can't be in, but for dynasty, I am, I'm not going to lie.
37:16I'm owned into Menards every time that I click the button on Jeremiah.
37:20I want to own as much Jeremiah as possible, obviously, but yes, redraft two, two points.
37:25And then we'll move on and I'll just ask this on the way out.
37:30Um, one is almost every running like B. John and Gibbs, you know, I, I can, and, and Genty last year fielded numerous questions in their rookie year.
37:38What's wrong with this guy? Should I be trading them?
37:41And it's, and the answer is unequivocally always no, just relax.
37:45Like if you're actually watching the game, you can see how special these guys are.
37:49They're just team is not ready for them to be what they are.
37:53And it's okay to, for that to happen. Right.
37:56Secondly, with all that being said, you running up against the Seahawks defense, the Rams defense and the 49ers defense, which, you
38:03know, you can say whatever you want about their defense.
38:06Overall, the Niners run defense this year is going to be a menace.
38:10Right. And so six of your games as a rookie are going to be against those teams.
38:15You know, that's, that's a bummer. And I don't know exactly if any of them are in, you know, 18 and 17
38:22or whatever it would be for Jeremiah love. But generally, like, unfortunately, like you, every other team that we'd like B.
38:29John for Atlanta, like that division is always relatively softer than at the point when Saquon, I can't remember exactly at the
38:36point when Saquon was a rookie, the Eagles that probably weren't the powerhouse that they are.
38:41The Cowboys are always, and the red, you know, the Redskins are there by the Redskins at the time.
38:46Commanders, you know, just, just a different situation that they're bad teams in not great divisions.
38:51And now you've, you've got a bad team in a great division.
38:55Yeah. Also. Yeah. It's going to take some doing for him to, he's going to have to truly be special to get off in that division.
39:03Against those defenses. Just, just purely. Hey, I've got six hell in a cell matchups.
39:08Yeah. A gente would be a good example of, of basically what we just, you know, and I, because it's a, it's a good division, bad team.
39:16Yes. It's a, it's a big ass setup that Janty had last year, which can change as soon as year two.
39:23Cause we are, we're seeing it. We're low. We love it.
39:26Exactly. Yep. We love it. Love it. Every minute of it.
39:30Love it. And we don't have to spend a whole lot of time on this.
39:34We've talked a ton about toot and C rod and all that from a redraft perspective though, where are we at?
39:41We'll just go around the room. Are you buying in or are you selling out on the Jags running back situation?
39:47I'm going to go to Jeremiah first. More so clicking the other backs in that range over basial toot and the other
39:54players in that range over basial toot. But I wouldn't mind if I've got 10 redraft five, 12 for basial toot.
40:01And sorry, I just wanted to give a, Oh yeah.
40:04Thank you. 60 overall. Yeah. It's, it's just right where you, you really have to commit and be prepared to be burned.
40:10Unfortunately you have to, that's a little too early.
40:13Like I want more of a, a safeguarded pick.
40:16Ironically, I feel safer with somebody like a Travion Henderson because I feel like the ceiling cap is just ceiling as a roof.
40:23Like we could see Henderson be up there with Jameer Gibbs next year.
40:27If we get the full run out of his ascension.
40:30Oh, no way dude. No way. No way. No, there's no way.
40:34It's great. It's crazy until it happens. If you're not early, you're late in fantasy football to that degree.
40:40Well, I see a cap ceiling. That's all. Yeah.
40:43I would, I would say both of those players, Henderson and tootin are, are make or break picks.
40:48Like if they do what there's, if they do what they think you're going to do, you're, they're probably going to put
40:55you in a position to be a top four team.
40:58And if they don't, it's going to hurt. And you're, you're going to really have to make up in the backend and
41:05hit something on the waivers or on the late round to have made up for that, which is certainly possible, but it
41:12does seem like those are two clicks. I'm not, I don't love Henderson and redraft necessarily, but it is a, if that goes, it's going.
41:20And I think, I think tootin's kind of the same way.
41:23Like if he's breaking off runs and being undeniable, he's going to put, I'd rather go down with a ship with my bet is on Henderson.
41:31I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. Live with the result.
41:35Also, you got the proof of concept of him actually being good at breaking long runs, which we didn't get with Bajal Tootin last year.
41:43Right. Like that's the frustrating part about it was like, yeah, he's super athletic.
41:47Yeah. He probably can do it, but just, it didn't happen.
41:50So I'm a little bit reticent as to steal Jeremiah's word about, about what it, what it looks like, because if he,
41:57if he's not, they don't throw the ball to the running back very often.
42:01They run the ball inside the five at the six highest rate in the entire NFL.
42:06And they have a mobile quarterback who's going to vulture those touchdowns that probably go to a guy who's proven that he's really good in short yardage.
42:15So I'm in on, I'm in on C-Rod just because, just because I think that he could give you a crazy random Jamal Williams 2022 season.
42:23Yeah. And he does have that familiarity with Liam Cohen already having been his offensive coordinator at Kentucky.
42:28So I'm in on C-Rod. I'm in on Laquan Allen is basically free.
42:32You'll pick them up on waivers and redraft after your draft.
42:36He might become a sneaky little, a sneaky little sneaky going into the preseason if he impresses, but it's just, there's a,
42:43there's one role that I feel good about and the rest of it is just kind of wish casting.
42:49And I don't think the two is going to step in and be like, be like Travis Etienne was last year.
42:55It's all we just need, you know, we just need him to be as good as Travis Etienne.
43:01Yeah. Yeah. That's it. You just gotta be a, you just gotta, you just gotta be a great running back, you know, in the league.
43:08Um, which at times people have said that he's not, um, so, uh, but I, you know, I'm with you.
43:15I like, I see Rod. I, I find myself with a lot in best ball just cause I feel like the touch,
43:21you know, it's going to be those spike week touchdowns where it's like, you can get two touchdowns and then he's just
43:28in your lineup cause he got you, you know, 15 points and from two touchdowns or whatever.
43:33So I like him a lot. Tootin's not somebody that I have rostered in a ton of spots.
43:39Um, I'm ready to be wrong on that one.
43:42Uh, it's just something that I'm not, I'm kind of, I'm kind of with the group here on that where I'm, I'm just not as quite bought in.
43:51And that's one where I want to see it and I'll be wrong.
43:55And then I'll pay the extra price to say, cause of course it's just like the saints.
44:00We just talked like, I want a part of that backfield.
44:03I want a part of Jacksonville's backfield. Um, and I, what we think he's going to be or what he's capable of
44:10being, then this is a smash, but I'm just, I I'm, I'm okay being wrong this year.
44:15And then being like, Hey, I'm all in on Tootin next year.
44:19And cause I saw it and golly, that's awesome.
44:22Um, so that's kind of where my thoughts stand on that.
44:25Anything else before we wrap this one up, fellas?
44:28It's fun discussion just from the angle of the angular access of how you have to be flipping the switch between all
44:35the redrafts are coming in cause you're going to do your redraft.
44:39And then weekly, as you're playing, you're punching in your redraft lineup.
44:42And a lot of things are aligning with your dynasty lineups as well, because the current year still matters.
44:48Even though dynasty is a chapter in a book and then redraft is a bunch of short stories, that book, that page that you're on is very important.
44:57So it's very fun this time of year when redraft and dynasty are really kind of parked in the same place in many ways.
45:04Wipe me down. All right, let's wrap it up.
45:07We'll catch you next week. Peace. Hey, I want to thank you for being part of this broadcast.
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