0:00Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.
0:05Welcome in! Not yet, Jason. Not yet. Not yet.
0:08Wednesday, August 5th, the Fantasy Footballers. The. The. The.
0:11What? Tight End Ranking Show, NFL News, talking improved offenses, talking fantasy, insights to help you on draft day.
0:17That's the goal each and every day. Help you prepare for your draft and for the season.
0:22Jason has been smirking for a minute. Maybe longer.
0:25Are you in a good mood? I'm in a great mood.
0:29We golfed this morning. That put you in a good mood.
0:32No, sir. No, sir. I got a new high score.
0:35High score. Yes, which is great. Plus 27 through 9.
0:39No, no. That's real? That is real. That is absolutely real.
0:42You're saying it out loud. No, it's not real.
0:45I am not counting a mulligan. So, technically it would be 28, but I'm going to give myself- Plus 30-ish.
0:51I mean, the Falcon was out there with a camera today.
0:55I'm sure he's got some bad shots in there.
0:58I'm sure he does. Well, he was following you.
1:01Does he have any good ones? Of Andy, yeah.
1:03For sure. No, but I'm fine, man. I will say this.
1:07When I started golfing and I was really, really bad, which I have stayed at least consistent, I was breaking clubs.
1:14I was that guy. That guy on the course.
1:17You're saying this has been a mental change that has happened.
1:20This has been something where it's like, grow up.
1:23Golf's hard. You suck. Yeah. The tumor is not operable.
1:26If you don't want to be out here- Yeah, exactly.
1:29The tumor is unoperable. No, it's not the tumor.
1:32Just deal with it. Okay, so sad. Okay. There's nothing you can do, so just get over it.
1:38Good point, Andy. Yeah, but no, I'm in a good mood.
1:41I'm really, really excited about football. I'm really excited about August being here.
1:46Get the golf off the back screen. Yeah, and me being a horrifically bad golfer will not get in my way.
1:52There's a decent chance that we do some work on that.
1:56You know, we get- Yeah, yeah, I think we're going to genuinely- Get some lessons, you know, get better.
2:02But this is not a golf show. It sometimes feels like it.
2:06We have a giveaway, a big giveaway. That's cool.
2:09What are we giving away, Andy? We are giving away a signed B.
2:13John Robinson jersey in honor of- B. John. B.
2:16John Robinson's new contract. No, we're giving away an autographed B.
2:19John jersey, free to enter, footclangiveaway.com if you're interested in that.
2:23We like giving away some stuff in August. It's always fun.
2:26So we're going to start with, that doesn't mean it'll be the only giveaway in August, but we'll start with a signed B.
2:33John Robinson jersey, footclangiveaway.com for that. You guys know the UDK.
2:37It's available right now at ultimatedraftkit.com if you want to prepare for your draft in the best possible way, check that out.
2:44And yeah, I'm excited too, Jay. It's time to get into it.
2:48Quick question of the day comes in from Billy.
2:51Which bottom 10 offense from 2025 do you believe will outperform their touchdown total by 13 plus?
2:56And the reason he's asking 13 plus is because last year, Mike, on your, on the tips and tricks show, you talked
3:03about anticipating offensive systems and they're, you know, basically them improving because over the last decade, at least three teams.
3:10Uh, mind you, it was six last year, at least three teams every year, jump 13 plus total touchdowns.
3:16Yep. And the total out who it is can really, really help you.
3:20Yeah. I mean, because we've said this about rookies going to bad destinations.
3:24It's not always bad. You think it's bad, but things change in the NFL so quickly.
3:29Just for context, last year's touchdown leaders, the Rams, New England, Seattle, Buffalo, Detroit.
3:33The basement was New Orleans, New York, the Jets.
3:36That is Tennessee, Cleveland, and Las Vegas. Those were, and you're talking the Rams just for, just for like to see the difference.
3:44The Rams scored 65 total touchdowns. The Raiders scored 25 total touchdowns.
3:48Oh man. So, uh, but it happens every year.
3:50Um, most of the time it's more than three, six teams last year.
3:55The Rams jumped more than 13 touchdowns. New England jumped more than 13 Jacksonville, Dallas, New York, and Indianapolis.
4:01So what's the team for this year? Mike, why don't you start?
4:04Uh, the, the amount of chips that I have been pushing into the table on the New Orleans Saints is, uh, we are, we're not approaching inappropriate.
4:13It's no, you're almost all in where we are inappropriate.
4:16And now we're borderline just terrifying of how much I believe in, in what they're about to do.
4:22Uh, so I, I think with, with Shuck and co, uh, down there in New Orleans and with Kellen Moore, you know,
4:29calling, calling the plays, getting everything going for the offense.
4:32I think that they are, they are the team to watch to make, you know, a, a New England style jump.
4:39That is, I mean, I guess one thing I hadn't thought about, I didn't realize how low they were last year.
4:46Cause Shuck did play over a great part of the year.
4:49He didn't have a lot of passing touchdowns. Correct.
4:52Tons of yardage. And, but a, uh, like a average or below average touchdown.
4:56I imagine Kellen Moore is not proud of that number.
5:00That 31 number was nearly the bottom of the NFL.
5:03And he has a re a resume that, you know, he can call plays and get it into the end zone.
5:10They're definitely a great candidate for that. I I'm going to go with the Titans.
5:14I've been kind of in their corner this off season, not to the, I think you believe that the saints can compete
5:21in a big way, make the playoffs winning the division.
5:24I don't, I don't think the Titans can win their division, but I think the difference in their offense, um, could be significant.
5:32I mean, the, the giants last year were one of the teams that jumped up 13 touchdowns just with Jackson dart coming
5:39in and then adding cam Scadaboo, the difference that, you know, some pass catchers are going to make in Tennessee.
5:45The fact that they were at the bottom of the league last year, I think that cam Ward's going to take a step forward.
5:53Uh, I'm pretty excited about Carnell Tate wandales there.
5:56They've got the weapons and they got the play caller, Brian Dable coming in.
6:00So, um, I I'm going to go with the Titans.
6:03Yeah. I think a play caller makes a big impact.
6:07Heck that is probably the number one reason for my team.
6:10They were the bottom of the barrel, the, the lowest scoring team in the league, the Raiders last year, obviously you, you had Brock Bowers injured.
6:18You had a terrible offensive line and genuinely, I think that the biggest issue with the Raiders offense last year was the
6:25Pete Carroll nepotism on the offensive line. You know, the, the, the offensive line coach being his son, everyone said it was
6:32a problem, a mistake when they fired their staff and didn't retain him.
6:37It was like, what's going on here? I think Clint Kubiak coming in, bringing in Rick Denison, a really good offensive line
6:44coach going out and getting Tyler Lindenbaum, a great center.
6:47And then you get Brock back. Now you've got Kirk cousins in and you know, we don't know what Mendoza will do.
6:54Obviously Mendoza rookie quarterbacks don't usually have a high touchdown number, but when you only scored 25 touchdowns last year, like the
7:01bar is pretty easy to step over that 13 more touchdown number.
7:05They could still be in the bottom half of offenses and score 13 more touchdowns than they did last year.
7:11Rick Denison, not being a private investigator. I think I've been, I was trying to figure out what that name, like he's
7:18either a sheriff in a wild west town, Rick Denison on the case or a detective.
7:23Yeah. But you're not talking like current era. Oh, no, no, this is old.
7:28He's like of all the places in all the world.
7:31She had to walk into mine. What a dame.
7:34There's just Rick Denison. There's just like a card of cigarette smoke floating in the air.
7:39Um, it beige trend powerful. It is. All right.
7:42We will jump into the news and notes from around the league.
7:46Okay. Is this news? Uh, NFL networks, Ian Rappaport believes to, uh, will likely start week one.
7:51This is not. Don't be surprised. This is a, this is a thought.
7:55That's a thought that is the, and the thought was, uh, it has a equivocator in it.
8:01Right. It's not even a strong thought. It's just like, I think maybe.
8:05Right. I think, I think maybe the two will start.
8:08What's the line that you're bringing up before? Yeah.
8:11Just the, don't be surprised. Don't be surprised if.
8:14I get it. We, we do these things. Sometimes you're talking and then you're trying to gather your thoughts at the exact same time.
8:21And you're thinking sometimes one of those thoughts comes out and you're like, Ooh, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta soften that one up.
8:29I believe most people's expectation here is that two is going to start.
8:33Yes. Two has banged up right now, but Pennix is even further away from getting on the field.
8:39It was just, and he's better. It to, it was not good, but he was better.
8:44Penix was so, I mean, when I watched the film last year, I was like, I did not remember him being this bad.
8:51He was very, very not good. Eight hours ago to a tongue of yellow on training camp with Michael Pennix quote.
8:58It's definitely a competition. Yeah. Well, this is what you'd say if it wasn't one, but no, I noticed that on sleeper.
9:05One of the most added players in dynasty leagues was their third string quarterback.
9:09Oh my for the Falcons. All right. Bucks wide receivers.
9:13We don't know what's going on. Tess Johnson left with a groin injury.
9:17Jaylen McMillan didn't practice after banging his knee a couple of days ago and Godwin and a book were given a maintenance day.
9:24So they, they were like, nah, it's worth noting.
9:27Tess Johnson has gotten a lot of buzz of being like the star of camp, you know, when it comes to the
9:34star of groin index.com right now, it does stink that he, what about me, Jason?
9:39Yeah. Oh, 1999. Oh, there I am. Oh, that's a Ted Hearst reference.
9:43Yeah, that is a Ted Hearst. Now this Ted Fred Durst.
9:46Ted. Ridiculous. Travis, uh, a chance. Come on. He'll get it.
9:50He'll get an opportunity with Ted's injured has taken most of the early down reps at training camp.
9:56Alvin Kamara getting third down reps. Ruh-roh. Yeah. I mean, we, we say it all the time.
10:01Targets are worth more than a rushing attempt for fantasy football.
10:05If you look at a, then that's what HN is much better at receiving than he is at running.
10:11When you look at where is much better at receiving than a chance is a problem.
10:16That is. That is a problem. That's what I've said since they signed was originally when it was signed, it was like,
10:23Oh, Kamara is not going to be on the team.
10:26He's clearly not only going to be on the team.
10:29He's going to be part of this backfield. And I think right now, ADP says that Travis ETN is like, just, he
10:36is guaranteed to be a three down workhorse back.
10:39I don't think that's happening. It's the name that it's, it's, we're, we're still trying to figure it out.
10:45We're trying our best. We're going to find out real soon.
10:49We have, you know, it's August. So you got people coming back to football and they, they might not have any idea, but We petition him.
10:57I know we need to talk. We need to talk to that.
11:01I think it's Brian in line for a bigger slice of the pie in Denver, which would be good because Denver, um,
11:08they need something different on the offensive side of the ball.
11:11I mean, they were one of the teams like for me, Denver is the team that jumps out as a potential 13 plus touchdown jump.
11:19I mean, Denver only had 45 touchdowns last year.
11:22It was middle of the pack. You know, you had Waddle Bryant being the wide receiver three doesn't make me think there's
11:29going to be any regular fantasy value, but no, but it's great for Bo Nils.
11:34I mean, if he establishes himself as the wide receiver three in camp and it's like not just this committee.
11:40Cause right now I'm projecting the third to be a committee.
11:44You're going to have Mims involved. You're going to have Troy Franklin involved.
11:48You're going to have Pat Bryant, maybe leading the three, but if he fully establishes himself as the third, do you think
11:55there's a chance as a young player, he can usurp Sutton, Portland Sutton this year and, and become the wide receiver two for the offense?
12:03Like, is that in the range of realistic outcomes?
12:06I would, I would, I would say that's not impossible, but this is more of a like, but you wouldn't be surprised.
12:13I actually would. I would be surprised. What I would not be surprised of is if heading into next year, they are
12:20like, we're going to move on from Sutton and it's going to be Jalen Waddle and Pat Bryant.
12:26Yeah. Yeah. I think that that whole offense is going to be very, very interesting to watch this year with Waddle's addition with the ensemble of running backs.
12:35Like seems like Dobbins is the guy. Oh yeah.
12:37But then it seems like Harvey might get third downs and Jonah Coleman is just around.
12:43The, uh, and Goughlin is just around. And a last piece of news real quick, Andy, cause this, cause this is just, this is great.
12:51It's fun. I mean, but then Tank Dell. Yeah.
12:53The Houston Texans is practicing with pads. First time in year.
12:57This is awesome. We haven't seen him in like over a calendar year since the, Oh yeah.
13:02It's been basically two years. Horrific injury. Two seasons ago.
13:06He missed all of last year. Was that the, just correct me.
13:09Cause it's a long time ago. Yeah. That injury.
13:12Was that on the block? Yes. He was, he was in line goal line block.
13:17Yeah. Cause, or was that a previous other injury?
13:20No, no, no. Was that? I don't think it's the same one.
13:24I thought it was on a catch. I thought it was on a catch on the back of the end zone.
13:30Yeah. I thought, I thought it was a touchdown.
13:33Cause he, that was so long ago. Yeah. Cause the year before I had traded for him and he was left in
13:40on a blocking down, went in and then was knocked out for the rest of the year.
13:46And that was, um, I forget that. I mean, he's had injury issues throughout his career, but when he's been on the field, he's been awesome.
13:54It's really tough for, and Stroud was. He's been much better with him.
13:58Yeah. A guy that's 165 pounds. I mean, we, we gave him guff when he was in line block.
14:04Like what is he going to do as a blocker?
14:07He's not really changing things. Yeah. He broke his fibula on that block in 2023, missed five games into his season.
14:14And then the dislocated kneecap was the full season.
14:17So there you go. But he's back. If it, man, if the NFL and the Texans are better, if tank tells playing at a high level.
14:25Yeah, absolutely. We'll take a quick break and then get into the countdown.
14:29And all right, guys, we are jumping into our tight end rankings.
14:33Countdown the top 10 looking at positives, negatives of these players.
14:37Obviously the tight end position is what's a polarizing spot.
14:40I mean, you have these high performers, difference makers at a onesie position.
14:44If you have one of those top guys and somebody else is out there streaming the position, it can be a huge
14:51advantage on a weekend week out basis. Problem is identifying the sleeper ones that can perform out of nowhere and making sure
14:58that your draft, if you're going to spend high draft capital, that guy is an every week start.
15:04So we'll also look at the beginning schedules for these guys a little bit.
15:08So let's start counting it down. Number 10. Number 10, Travis Kelsey going on 37 years old.
15:14I have him ranked the lowest. I've talked about it recently.
15:17Yeah, you're OUT. I'm pretty out on Kelsey. He's just not.
15:21One thing I wanted to do and maybe Kyle, while we're talking about Kelsey briefly, final seasons for some of the greats.
15:28I'm just kind of curious where Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, you know, Jimmy Graham, like most of those guys from
15:35my recollection, like I remember Jimmy Graham being pretty irrelevant at the end.
15:39Yeah. I mean, he had the, he came back and had a bunch of touchdowns, right?
15:44In one of those. He had the patella tendon, tendon tear.
15:48That was a different word. Yes. But, but look, it is, you know, whether you believe he can contribute this year or
15:55not, he'll Antonio Gates final year, final two years, he was 37 and 38 years old.
16:00He got 30 passes each year. They were basically irrelevant years.
16:03His last good season, 36 years old, 53 for 5, 48 and seven.
16:07We know the trajectory right now on Kelsey is it's going down.
16:11It's just a matter of how low does it go?
16:14He tends to be out there. I have, but if he gives you, if he gives you six, seven points a game, you're not gonna be happy.
16:23No, no, you won't. The thing is, is right now you've got a tight end who last year had over a hundred targets.
16:30You've got an offense that I think should be better than last year.
16:35Not necessarily a old school, great Kansas city offense, but adding Kenneth Walker, I think really does help the offense in general.
16:42If you have someone that's going to catch 80 passes, they're not going to be bad for where he's being drafted, but the upside is gone.
16:50You're not having a player who's making a difference at the position.
16:54You're just simply trying to say, I think when you draft Kelsey, you're taking your, your, the approach of, I punted the
17:01position, but I don't want to stream. And I'm just going to try to be okay with whatever mediocrity he provides.
17:07And maybe that's the wrong, maybe that's the lazy way and streaming like the, the question should be asked here.
17:14Would it be more valuable? Will you score more fantasy points if you're streaming off the waiver wire this season, or if
17:21you just play Travis Kelsey every game? I think, I think once we establish matchups about halfway through the year, you can stream it better than Kelsey personally.
17:30But I think that's up for debate fair. I mean, it's fairly up for debate.
17:35I think you're going to find yourself thinking this is where I think you're going to end up.
17:40You're going to think you can start him every week.
17:43Cause of the name. Cause you drafted Travis Kelsey.
17:46And I think you're going to not know when to pull the trigger on changing that out.
17:52Now your point about the offense being better. I think that's well within the realm.
17:57I mean, the giant scored seven more touchdowns than the chiefs did last year.
18:01The Pittsburgh Steelers. Did you like that offense? No.
18:04Seven more touchdowns than the Kansas city chiefs last year.
18:07Patrick Mahomes is coming off a serious injury. The identity of this team is going to be the running game.
18:13Rashi rice is coming off a serious injury. And I, I'm not so certain that this offense is going to be significantly better.
18:21I think their defense is outstanding. They spent all of their draft capital and trades on making that defense top in the league.
18:28I'm not sure you're going to have it opened up enough for you to be happy because all of his targets now
18:35are close to the line of scrimmage. And that's why I, I'm still okay with Kelsey as a, if I'm as the
18:42tight end punt of, I, I feel pretty confident that Kelsey will, he will finish in the top 10.
18:48That's not always great for your fantasy team or making a difference, but they, he's going to be the number two target.
18:55He will have a hundred targets again, if he plays in all 17 games and he'll, he'll give you roughly nine points a week.
19:03You think he was the number two target? Cause I think that they're going to have to make a transition at some point in time.
19:11But to, yeah, I mean, whether Cyrus Allen or a Xavier worthy can step up.
19:16I don't know. I just think tight end snaps may come down.
19:20I think you're going to manage him. It's possible.
19:22Yeah. I will say that older players, you know, we've seen this with Keenan Allen recently.
19:27Like sometimes they get off to a decent start to the year.
19:31Sure. The first month of the schedule is, you know, they're favored in all four games.
19:36First week's a little hard at home against Denver, but then Indianapolis, Miami, Las Vegas, those are great matchups.
19:42And then they go on their bye week. So maybe you're right.
19:46The second half of the year, you stream, you grab Kelsey, play him for a month, and then start knowing what the matchups are.
19:54And shout out to Tony Gonzalez who at 37 years old had 121 targets, 83 for eight, 59 and eight.
20:00I think, I think Kelsey, that seems right in the range.
20:04Yeah, it's possible. That's the upper range. Number nine.
20:07It's Kyle Pitts coming in at our consensus. Number nine.
20:10Jason and I have him at eight. This is the man of, what do you possibly do with this?
20:16What do you do with Kyle Pitts? I mean, Kyle Pitts is going to be on the field for 90% of snaps.
20:23Kyle Pitts is the second best pass catcher on the team.
20:27And Kyle Pitts is 25 years old. I don't know where the confidence is in Tua, but I think it's higher than Pennix.
20:34I don't know if it's higher than where you thought Cousins was last year.
20:38It's probably pretty neutral, maybe a little lower. I just, I find myself in a tough spot like all of us forever.
20:45And we will forever be, I think with Kyle Pitts here.
20:49I mean, he was a monster over the final six weeks.
20:52It's been brought up ad nauseum that Drake London wasn't there.
20:56Yeah. I mean, obviously you do have that built in upside.
20:59They said he looks like he's running better than he's ever been before.
21:04I've seen that a lot. This off season, he looks athletically like kind of the player they drafted.
21:09It has been a problem. It absolutely has. Like we've said, like for years when you're watching Kyle Pitts, where the rookie
21:16year, the touchdowns were disappointing, but to have over a thousand yards as a rookie at the tight end position, that's very impressive.
21:24And then kind of since then, we've been watching him saying, this doesn't look like, that doesn't look like the same player.
21:31So maybe he just had, maybe he had long injuries that just were, they wouldn't clear up.
21:36Maybe they're cleared up, but he is. They paid him a lot.
21:40I'm not drafting him. I'm not either. But I think it's worth noting that he does have built in upside of, should Drake London get injured?
21:48We saw him truly dominate when he became the de facto one.
21:52So we know he can do it. And so there is that kind of built in.
21:57That's not built in with everyone else. Like, like right after him is going Sam Laporta.
22:02If, if Jamison Williams goes down, we've seen the splits.
22:05Laporta is the same with and without Jamison Williams.
22:08However, the guys around him like Laporta, better offense, more expected touchdowns, Tucker Kraft, you know, when we've seen him.
22:15Much higher upside. Much higher upside. Harold Fannin. I'm going to say that a lot.
22:19I'm in on Kyle Pitts. I'm in on Kyle Pitts.
22:23They just paid him a ton of money to stick around.
22:26You need the camera? No, I don't need the camera.
22:29Okay, so you're not really. No, no, no, no, no.
22:33Put the camera on Jason. Oh, what? I'm in on Kyle Pitts.
22:36No, that's me. I'm saying it. I just, I don't want the camera.
22:41I mean, Stefanski has given us success at the tight end position.
22:44No, I'm in. I'm going to, I'm going to wipe the slate clean each and every year.
22:50And I'm looking at the contract, the roster, the offense.
22:53Kyle Pitts is going to be a focal point.
22:56Year six breakout. It's happened before the tight end position.
22:59I don't think that's the quote I'd use. Wait, is this year six?
23:03Yeah. Wow. Crazy. Okay. So let me ask you this, because the next tight end we're talking about here is Sam Laporta.
23:10Wait for the number eight. I was, I was putting it on the tee, Mike.
23:15It's pretty good. You can't give the name. No, wait.
23:18You don't normally reveal before the number, but it's fine.
23:21They're going right next to each other in drafts.
23:24So right now the, the, what I'm seeing seven Oh four, seven Oh six.
23:29They're, they're basically, you're picking one of these two players.
23:32So you are picking Kyle Pitts. Yes. Because you are in uncovered.
23:36So you will take him over Laporta. Okay. I just wanted that established.
23:40Yeah, I will. I think that Kyle Pitts is going to be a focal point of the offense on a regular basis.
23:47So I'm not, I'm not proud of it. I'm not, I wouldn't tell anybody else.
23:52We have them ranked identical. We both have them as our tight end eight.
23:56Obviously last year he was the tight end two.
23:59That's a little bit. Here's a real question for you.
24:02Okay. If you think, I mean, are you, are you just drafting crafting Kittle automatically assuming they'll be fine ahead of Kyle Pitts?
24:10I am not. I believe Mike. Yes. So, you know, are you drafting Fannin automatically ahead of Pitts?
24:15Probably. Yes. I, I, if, if the cost was the same, I would much rather have Fannin.
24:21All right. Sam, Sam Laporta is who we're talking about now.
24:24Um, nobody knows this man better than Jason Moore.
24:27Uh, he's been on his team and a bunch of mocks in a row.
24:32I got him at nine, Mike at eight, Jason at seven.
24:35I mean, Sam Laporta, he's a, he's a great tight end.
24:39He's going to be out there every snap for the most part there.
24:43The team has an incredible schedule. They're favored in 14 of the first 15 games.
24:48They also have a ton of weapons. Jameer Gibbs, Alman Ross St.
24:51Brown, Jamison Williams. There will be, I think games are going to end up with the short game.
24:57Short end of the stick. He can make big plays.
25:00He has a chance of double digit touchdowns, but we have seen, you know, I mean, Laporta is a pretty safe pick.
25:07I think. Yeah. I mean, that's what it is.
25:10I don't see Laporta. Like he can't differentiate himself from the other target monsters at the position.
25:16He's never going to have 140 targets the way that a McBride or Bowers or some of these second year tight ends might get to.
25:24But the touchdown upside is clearly there. He's already had double digit touchdowns in his career as a rookie.
25:30He's on a team that is expected to score a ton of points.
25:34And I think this is just a player where you're going to have consistency when he doesn't score a touchdown.
25:40It's not like he just disappears, but you're going to have a lot of touchdowns.
25:45And if you end up with, let's say nine touchdowns this season, very reasonable for him.
25:50That means there's, I mean, when you're tight in scores, a touchdown every other game, at least that week, you have a good chance of winning.
25:58And so I would rather have a guy who can get in the end zone.
26:03Like I think Laporta has way more touchdown opportunities than Pitts.
26:07Pitts might have more targets, but I'll take the touchdowns at the tight end position personally.
26:12Last year in his nine games, you know, Laporta had four of them were over 10 points.
26:17It like, yeah, I would rather, I would rather hitch my wagon to Laporta.
26:22All right. Number seven. Tucker Craft comes in at number seven.
26:25I got him at five. So that's, I thought this was only Mike's dude.
26:30No, I have him ranked at five. All right.
26:33Team Tucker. Which means he is above Fannin in my rankings and below Bowers, McBride, Loveland and Warren right now.
26:39I do think he'll be there from week one.
26:42I think that, look, I think their offense is interesting top to bottom.
26:46I think you have players that we're excited about.
26:49Christian Watson. Yeah. You know, Jaden Reed getting some talk about some two wide receiver sets.
26:54All the, all the feedback. I know we're bitter towards Matthew Golden, but all the camp talk has been very positive around Matthew Golden.
27:02It's an interesting offense, but craft was kind of what made it go last year.
27:06And I do think he's going to be back and healthy.
27:10He was the tight end two and fancy points per game.
27:13So I don't think ranking him at five is insane.
27:17Um, and this is not a one hit wonder either.
27:20You, you have the breakout from last season. That was a, you know, it was a handful of games where he was
27:27upper echelon top tier, but you go back a season.
27:30This was the tight end nine with 8.1 points per game the year before they already knew what they had in, in
27:37Tucker craft and just built him into the offense a little bit more.
27:41He's a complete bully and man to man coverage.
27:44Um, you know, tore the ACL that's the whole storyline, but I think, I think he's going to be good.
27:50They're favored in their first six games of the year.
27:54It's a nice slate for him to come out and get acclimated.
27:57I'm pretty in on Tucker craft consensus wise. We have him at seven Jason.
28:02You are the most bearish. Yeah. So to speak to that, it's really injury and ADP.
28:07So he's coming off of an injury where the expectation early in the off season was he'll start the season on the pup.
28:14Then as time went on, it got more and more positive.
28:18We've seen him at camp. Now he's looking great.
28:21If he's running straight, he looks amazing. He's running straight.
28:24He's looking great. He, you know, he should be there for week one and Tucker craft straight is enough.
28:30Yeah. Just that's all I need people over a in line, run a seam route and then run line feeling fine.
28:37Well, the nice thing is even with that, you've got you.
28:40You have a lot of bars for TK. You have a lot of plays that the Packers set up like play action
28:47where they kind of leak craft out. You don't have to be cutting these amazing routes to catch the little dump off
28:54in the flat and then just go mow guys down.
28:57It's almost unfair to talk about his points per game because his last game, he got injured and wasn't really involved.
29:04He was 14 points per game in the game, you know, full games that he started on pace for 1139 yards.
29:11So I don't blame either of you guys for just taking the shot, the swing of saying if he is healthy, he is going to.
29:19He was truly dominating. However, for me, like he's going right next to Harold Fannin.
29:24If I wanted to take a tight end, he's healthy and looked great and scored more fantasy points last year.
29:30But he's also going next to other guys at other positions like Jordan Tyson.
29:34Are you saying he scored more than the guy who played in eight games?
29:39Availability is the best ability. Oh my gosh. But Jordan Tyson is right next to him.
29:44Okay. Whatever. People do not like that. Do you think...
29:47He scored more than Tank Dell too. Do you think if Tucker Craft plays 17 games that he definitely scores more points than Harold Fannin?
29:55If Tucker Craft plays a full season, yes, he will score more points than Harold Fannin.
30:00Yeah, the difference in that offense is just going to be pretty large.
30:04I mean, Fannin's going to be great, but you did add a couple more weapons in that offense and our quarterback...
30:11You know, that's the differential to me. The quarterback's the offensive system.
30:15I still love Fannin. That's why he comes in at...
30:18Number six. Harold Fannin, 22 years young. And the tight end five last year in Cleveland with shared time with Njoku, with no wide receivers, with no quarterback.
30:27This is only one of two rookie tight ends to go 70 for 706.
30:31So he is an electric player. Harold Fannin is awesome.
30:35And if they were smart, which it seems like Munkin's going to do...
30:39Oh, yeah! He's going to use Fannin a ton.
30:42So if you want to hedge against injury, these guys are back-to-back in my rankings.
30:46I don't blame you at all. If you have a...
30:50This is where I think for you, where you have a tier of superstars, right?
30:54So you've got McBride, Bowers, you've got Warren and Loveland.
30:58Yes. And that's your core four. That is my core four.
31:01And I can kind of see that where it's like, then you can make some really different decisions with like Fannin and Kraft.
31:09Kittle, if he's healthy to start the year. You can throw Laporta or Pitts into that group.
31:14It becomes more muddy. It becomes more plant your flag on the offense that you like a little bit.
31:20You know, you talked about a reason to like Laporta over Pitts is they're going to score a lot more touchdowns in Detroit than they will in Atlanta.
31:29You can make that... That's part of the Kraft call over Fannin, I think, is that I think Green Bay is going
31:36to be a great offense on a great, you know, great team.
31:40I think Cleveland is going to be better than people expect, but offensively not a top, you know, 20 team.
31:46None of us picked them to be the team to score 13 more touchdowns this year.
31:51I did think about it. I mean, they improved their offensive line in the draft.
31:56They've got, you know, an offensive minded head coach now and...
32:00Some good rookie wide receivers. Yeah, I think that they could be a surprisingly, you know, much better offense.
32:06To me, Fannin is the one player I am very fearful of getting wrong because I'm pretty much out on sixth round tight ends.
32:13So like if... And that's what it is for me.
32:16Because I don't have Kraft and Fannin in the tier of the elites, I don't think they are...
32:22Do I think they're better than the other tight ends I'm going to get later?
32:27Absolutely. But I think it's a point a game.
32:30I think it's irrelevant for winning and losing in fantasy.
32:33This was one of my 10 things to remember is that the difference between the tight end two last year and the
32:40tight end 12 was pretty meaningless last year. And so if you're not one of the elites, I would rather have a
32:47fifth round, a sixth round, a seventh round pick of the running backs and wide receivers there, take the shot of those guys.
32:54But Fannin, what he did in college was so productive.
32:58And then to come in rookie year and be that productive is like, oh, maybe he is just that dude.
33:04But on the offense... Can he finish top three?
33:07No. No, I don't think so. No, and I'm...
33:10The argument against Fannin is just the Cleveland Browns.
33:13Like I'm with you guys of... He is an awesome player.
33:16But looking at the competition for Harold Fannin last year was Jerry Judy.
33:20I know he had to, you know, he had to overtake David Njoku, but it's like Judy had a 20% target share.
33:27The next highest wide receiver target share would have been Cedric Tillman, or I'm sorry, Isaiah Bond at 8%, and then Tillman.
33:34Njoku's at 9%. So it's like these, a first round wide receiver, a second round wide receiver.
33:40It's... Let me give you the counter argument there.
33:43It's the pie. Cardinals. Okay. The Cardinals have Michael Wilson, Marvin Harrison Jr.
33:47as part of that offense, but Trey McBride is the bonafide number one guaranteed target in that offense.
33:53Yes. I wonder if... Because when I see Fannin, the part I'm worried about getting wrong is that this guy could lead
34:00the league in receptions at tight end. That's my worry is...
34:03Not impossible. From a quantity... I mean, he had 107 targets last year as a rookie.
34:08That's the part I'm worried about getting wrong is that he is the PPR winner of the year.
34:14It's actually better than the 107 targets. If you look at when Shadur took over in week 12 and you take out
34:21the injury game at the very end of the season, he was on pace for 142 targets with Shadur.
34:27So... And McBride, like those guys don't take away from McBride leading the league in receptions at tight end.
34:33Yeah. So rookies are not going to do that.
34:36I'm saying it's... These are... But these are unknowns.
34:39Yeah, for sure. Where it's like Marv and Michael Wilson, there's some unknown about them of where they could end up this
34:46year, but we have no idea how Concepcion and Boston are going to factor into taking away from the target.
34:52If those... Is there any chance he has fewer than 100 targets on this offense though?
34:57I don't think so. I don't think so. Okay.
35:00So at least that's built in as a floor for Harold Fannin, I think.
35:05Yeah. I mean, I love Harold Fannin. When I say I'm not drafting him, it's really just draft price.
35:11If he was in the ninth round and I'm giving up a mediocre sixth, I believe, right now.
35:16Okay. Yeah, that'll be a tough decision, I think, for where people want to tier him mentally because of the Brown situation.
35:23And I'm curious. I'm going to have Kyle pull some data on top three tight ends over the last decade or so.
35:30And how many of them are on sub-500 teams?
35:33Because I'm very curious about that. So I'll give you that information shortly.
35:37Number five. Well, I can tell you, last year he was on a sub-500 team in Trey McBride.
35:43You're talking about the number one type. Yeah. Yep.
35:46George Kittle. Come on, George! Comes in at five.
35:49We all got him right there. Mike at five.
35:52We're at six. This one's been evolving. It's going to continue to evolve over the course of this month.
35:58Major injury. Not a spring chicken. George Kittle almost 33 years old.
36:02Also not as old as Travis Kelsey by any stretch.
36:05And, you know, the touchdowns with Brock Purdy have been there.
36:08That was an early career situation with Kittle where you're like, he's going to catch a bunch of passes.
36:14He can make a big play, but he's probably going to end up with five or six touchdowns.
36:20He's got higher upside now in this offense. And for goodness sakes, they don't have any wide receivers that are healthy.
36:27No, George Kittle is the entire, the entirety of the bet for George Kittle is, is health.
36:32And so it's like, there is no, there is no doubts of, of how dominant George Kittle can be for, for the NFL, for fantasy football.
36:41You know, his, his rookie year wasn't great. Five point seven points per game.
36:45But since then his lowest is 10.7. That's huge.
36:48Like he's, he's a double digit point machine at the tight end position.
36:52And I, and things like the ceiling that the connection he has with Brock Purdy, it raises the stakes even more in, in my opinion.
37:00So everything is just, do you think George could be healthy?
37:04We have him at five, which is way above market.
37:07And like my bet is a season long bet.
37:10It, I think it starts slower for George Kittle, but he, over the course of the season, I think he returns to
37:17form and becomes the true dominator that, that, that we have seen every year.
37:21And it's tight end 10. So if, if you want to protect yourself, you know, if you want to take George Kittle
37:28and then Dallas Goddard or one of the, you know, like likely or Kelsey or, or, or, or even Travis Kelsey.
37:35Cause Kelsey will give you a floor. And that's a draft strategy that is plausible taking Kittle in the ninth or 10th
37:42round and then coming back and taking Travis Kelsey.
37:45It's, I think it's an interesting strategy for this year.
37:48The splits with Brock Purdy over four years. If you spread them out over a season, it would be 81 catches on
37:55106 targets for 1145 yards and 11 touchdowns. That has been the, you know, that's much better than a splits with a different quarterback in San Francisco.
38:04Now, Mike, you did read the tea leaves on CMC's health last year.
38:08Yeah. Would you mind letting us know the exact, it's pretty important situation for George.
38:13I actually would mind. Oh, you would. Yeah. I thought we were going to get the answer.
38:18I know I am. I am much more worried about the injury.
38:22My, my ranking says how I, your ranking says you believe he's going to be there for, for 17 pretty darn healthy games.
38:29I do think second half of the year, he might be good.
38:33He's a human. And while he's unbelievable, he's 33.
38:36He's not Jason. He's a dog. He's a dog.
38:39He's 33 years. He's a man. He's not a human.
38:42He's a man. Old for a football player coming off of a very difficult injury.
38:47And I know it was a better version. Like the, you know, we keep hearing like, oh, it's the Achilles tore at the right spot.
38:55It's like, well, there's no good spot for the Achilles to tear.
38:58There's worse spots. There are worse spots, but he still tore his Achilles and is coming back.
39:04The last video that I saw of him, he's out on the sideline.
39:08He's, he's working, but he looks to me like he's a ways away.
39:12So I'm, I'm a little bit more skeptical that you will like holding onto him for the first half of the year.
39:19All right. We'll take a break and come back with our top four and some sleeper picks.
39:25All right. I do have that information for you before we move on to our top four, which we'll, we'll probably get through them pretty quick.
39:33You guys know the names top three tight ends over the last five years, six of 15 were sub 500 teams.
39:40So it does lower your odds. Certainly you want to be around the end zone, right?
39:45Um, just, I was curious about that. You know, Bowers McBride twice.
39:49Some of that's tough because like Travis Kelsey is every year, you know, pretty much over the last decade, been in the top three.
39:56And he's always going to be on a winning team prior to this year.
40:01Um, I think it's like the, you're either a dominant player at the tight end position, which there's very few of those.
40:08If you're talking, uh, guys who are getting it done in the passing game, the guys who can rise are that's the offense is going to carry them.
40:17Yep. Makes sense. Number four, Tyler Warren comes in at number four.
40:21Uh, Jason just talked extensively about Tyler Warren on our fire and ice episode.
40:25Um, but the TLDR of that is great. It was a great rookie season when Daniel Jones was healthy focal point of the offense.
40:33You lose Michael Pittman beneficiary of those low or, you know, the intermediate targets that Pittman was great at.
40:39And, you know, Alec Pierce, Josh Downs on the outside, you know, Downs is unproven out there.
40:44They want to try him out, give him more opportunities.
40:47Pierce got paid all that money, but he's been a deep threat most of his career.
40:52Warren's going to soak up the middle of the field benefit from Jonathan Taylor pulling up defenses.
40:58So I think we're all very comfortable with Tyler Warren.
41:01Jason's got him at three. Mike and I have four.
41:04That's the only difference. Jason has him ahead of Loveland and we have him behind.
41:09Meaning number three. Number three. Mr. Loveland. It is Mr.
41:12Loveland. Um, 22 years old. Mike and I have him at three.
41:16Jason had four. Finished 11 last year. Came on like gangbusters at the end of the season.
41:21Uh, a chess piece for Ben Johnson in line 56% of the time, but then in the slot 22% of the time
41:28out wide completely 18% of the time. You know, the debates around burden or doing say how valuable are they?
41:35We know Loveland is going to be a focal point.
41:38Yeah. The quote that we have gotten recently and I don't, I don't have this.
41:43Well, it's from an ESPN article. Okay. From ESPN was that Loveland is the son of the bears solar system of receivers.
41:50And that feels like kind of how we anticipate this going.
41:53Um, we, we have the fight of, I love Rome.
41:57You love burden. And I, I've, I've certainly warmed more and more on burden.
42:01I still don't like his draft price, but, um, that's all right.
42:05We universally come to the same agreement. That is the best weapon on this team.
42:10And I think the, I personally have it now as the target leader for this team is Colson Loveland.
42:16The issue is that there are other really good targets.
42:19So if, if Caleb is throwing for sub 4,000 yards and you have three really good options, is the consistency going to be there for Loveland?
42:27And if, oh, Luther burden went off for these four games and, and Rome went off for these three games or whatever.
42:34Um, will we be disappointed in the price of Loveland because of those weapons?
42:39That's my only concern. Cause I think the tape showed and the playoffs showed that he can be a dominant top end force.
42:46Yeah. I think the interesting thing is looking at the, the final three weeks of the year in the playoffs when he
42:53was really a part of the offense, seeing that playoff target share at 28% in an offense that had DJ more at 17% at the time.
43:01I feel like there'll be plenty of weekly upside combined with, I think a good floor for Colson Loveland.
43:07That's why I have him ahead of war. And I just liked that offensive system better.
43:12Um, yeah, I would expect both are good. I would expect the bears just to outscore the Colts.
43:18I mean, when we were preparing for the show and going through our UDK stats and we were looking because free rankings
43:25kind of disagreed with the UDK rankings because one is done by stat projections.
43:30One is just done by linear rank. And we took a look at these two guys, Loveland and Warren.
43:36I don't even know if you know this Andy, cause it was Mike and I looking at it.
43:42I probably don't then. We were almost identical. I mean, the points between Loveland and Warren for all three of us are
43:49like flip a coin as far as total fantasy value.
43:52I do think it's a one round difference. Yeah.
43:55I mean, that's why I like Warren more. It's cheaper.
43:58And I think his floor might be higher, but when we're trying to win his championship, the ceiling is higher on 100%.
44:05Like if both of these guys go off this year, Loveland will be the winner.
44:10I think about it the exact same way. I think Warren is probably a, a safer pick for like, this is going
44:17to be a top five, a tight end. It's just, if, if Loveland hits the way that the, the, all the chatter
44:24is from this, the, from training camp of the off season, he was the number 10 overall pick.
44:29You know, we have the, the anecdotes of phones were ringing off the hook during the NFL draft.
44:35Colston Loveland gets drafted by the bears, which was a little bit of a surprise per the mock drafters.
44:41And then all of a sudden the phone stopped ringing because people were trying to move up to go get Loveland.
44:48He is, I think he will be the focal part of the bears offense.
44:52And then the ceiling is, he's a more athletically gifted player than Warren is.
44:57And Warren's very good. It's just, Loveland is just much more of them.
45:01If you want to break away touchdown, that's not going to be Warren.
45:05Warren's going to break some tackles and get you 20 yards on a cool catch.
45:10Loveland's going to take it to the house. The, the, the, the, the, the chance of Loveland usurping Brock Bowers as the
45:17number one tight end at the end of this season to me is much higher than Warren.
45:22Yeah. I think that's a good way to put it.
45:26Um, what number two? Nope. No more. Let's go to the next floor.
45:30Trey McBride. Did you, if you want to, I can talk Loveland all day.
45:34I was, I was just going to bring up the negative quote of the, the fact that, uh, he's been seen as
45:41a dynamic pass catcher, but he is rapidly improving as a blocker.
45:45And that's, is that scary for fantasy? No. Because you know who's a great blocker?
45:50George Kittle. I got, I think there is some value to, uh, we love our, our tight ends that aren't, you know, the Jimmy Grahams.
45:58They don't actually play the tight end position. They play wide receiver, but there is definitely value of the, I'm in line.
46:05I'm looking like I'm going to block, but I'm just a chip.
46:09And then I leak out for the play action and then hit a big play.
46:13Number two. You sound like strong fat. You're checking out the emails.
46:17Oh. Is that a homestuck? Trey McBride comes in at number two.
46:21Is that disrespectful? This was the first tight end in history to have a hundred plus catches in back-to-back seasons.
46:27He has Jacoby Brissett fresh off of that sweet $15 million check.
46:31They're writing him. Completely, uh, dominant last year with Brissett.
46:34Number one overall fantasy tight end. And yet he comes in at two at our consensus rankings.
46:40That is not an insult to Trey McBride. That is simply a belief in Brock Bowers.
46:45Trey McBride. They're the only negative thing you could possibly say about his outlook is that it is somewhat probable that during
46:52the fantasy playoffs, he has a third round rookie quarterback slinging him the ball.
46:56That's the only fear I have. I mean, Trey McBride is the leader of this offense.
47:02You know, the questions of Will, is Marv good?
47:04Did the Michael Wilson? All that's irrelevant. Those guys are so far behind in the pecking order of McBride.
47:11The offense runs through him. Um, he will be awesome again.
47:14Much better play caller. You know, you talk about the, you know, the situation for Arizona.
47:19Um, I would trust LaFleur to do more with his best player.
47:23Arizona had a ton of yards last year because the defense was bad and the defense is just as bad this year.
47:30But they didn't score a lot of points when you, when you look at like total team scoring, when we were, you
47:37know, looking at who's going to take that jump, they have room to, to really grow.
47:42And you add, uh, love, you know, in the backfield.
47:45Yeah. Is that a positive or a negative? I think it's a positive.
47:49I think having a better offense is always just good.
47:53They just, they had nothing at the running back position last year.
47:56That's why they, their pass rate was so extremely high.
48:00And like, they were running so many plays. Uh, we brought up the stat, uh, earlier of like, he essentially ran multiple
48:07games, multiple games worth more of snaps. Uh, Kyle, correct me if I'm wrong.
48:11I think the most snaps, uh, or most routes run for a tight end ever in the history of the NFL is just those things.
48:19Jacoby Brissett was on pace for 685 passing. Yeah, which is an outrageous number that has to come down.
48:25Number one. It is Brock Bowers coming in at number one, the most talented tight end up there in football with the
48:32fact that he's the clear number one target with Clint Kubiak who called him a football robot from heaven.
48:38What's better? Being the son of the solar system.
48:41Well, heaven is much better. Or a football, but you're a robot.
48:45But you're from heaven. Uh, you know, heaven is above the sun and the stars.
48:50So, I mean, it's clearly, clearly Brock Bowers is better here.
48:53You want, you want to know something? Remember we were having the debate about Gandalf versus, uh, Dumbledore?
48:59Dumbledore? Mm-hmm. I didn't, I talked to somebody with knowledge of the Lord of the Rings universe.
49:04Oh. Gandalf is part angel. I am unaware of this.
49:08This is what they told me. This is. Now, if I'm quoting it, they said from, I think it's in the.
49:14Get Colbert on the phone. Do you know that book?
49:18Talks about that. I think he's. Interesting. It was spitballers.
49:21We were talking about this on spitballers. Um. Hmm.
49:24But when you said heaven, it reminded me of, I wanted to let you guys know I'd done some research.
49:30Yeah. Well, that's. By talking to a stranger. We appreciate that.
49:33You know, we're, we're looking at these top four elite tight ends.
49:37And, and, you know, my argument for Warren is that Downs and Alec Pierce are not as good as the weapons there.
49:44You know, all of these other three guys have at least capable receivers on the roster who might break out.
49:51Marv might break out. Rome might break out. Burden might break out.
49:55Alec Pierce might break out. There ain't none here, brother.
49:58How dare you? No one on the Raiders. They gave Naylor a bunch of money.
50:02Naylor. He has the same risk that McBride has, though, that you mentioned.
50:07Well, it's. Which is that. It's not a third round quarterback.
50:10No, it's not a third round rookie. It's the first overall pick.
50:14It's the first overall pick. But the same risk of quarterback change at the back half of the year.
50:20You would assume it will happen. It's very rare in this day and age for the number one overall pick to not get in.
50:28But that is enough of a difference to me.
50:31Carson Beck versus Mendoza to where, you know, and, you know, Clint Kubiak.
50:35He was. LaFleur might be a good. You know, they're both offensive minded head coaches.
50:40But Kubiak was the prize of this offseason. What's crazy is that this, you know, may seem really obvious to be like,
50:47OK, one, two is McBride and Bowers in some order.
50:50The truth is you're going to put them in the order that you believe.
50:54But they're going directly back to back in drafts.
50:57So this is a like you do have to just pull the trigger on one.
51:02Like if you're if you're going to be there at 205 or 203 or whatever, wherever you're at, you're sacrificing, obviously, a
51:09very high quality wide receiver running back. And you have to make the call here and you don't want to get it
51:16wrong because you're investing so much into a fantasy tight end.
51:19So is it is it possible to get this pick wrong?
51:23Really? No. I mean, injury will get it wrong with.
51:26Oh, you're saying between the two. I think you're going to be.
51:30Can you really get that wrong? So I think you could get it wrong where you will have regrets.
51:36And the only way that you get that wrong outside of injury on the regret front is that what Bowers does is truly break, you know, the position.
51:45I think that is in the range of outcomes last year.
51:48That's in the range of outcomes. That's the funny part.
51:52Yeah. It's like he did it. What did what did what did McBride score last year on?
51:57What was his? He was 15. He was. Four or five points better than the tight end, too.
52:03Yeah. So that's the part where it's hard for me to be like, you know, the Raiders were what?
52:09Dead last in the NFL and touchdown scored. Correct.
52:12And so now you're bringing in Kirk Cousins. I don't I don't.
52:16That's the part where I have more confidence in the in the connection between like I'm going to I'm going to switch these two.
52:23You're moving. I'm sure. All right. I'm sure they're basically.
52:26Yeah, there's three points apart in my rankings. But out of respect for that connection already built, I'm going to make that tweak.
52:34OK, so I mean, I will say right now McBride is going ahead in ADP.
52:39By exactly one pick. Yeah. I mean, that's that's what Andy's doing right here.
52:43He's saying if I'm on the clock, I'm taking.
52:46I'm going to take McBride. And I look at the end of the year.
52:50I think the Cardinals score more touchdowns than the Raiders do.
52:54So, I mean, I think that's good. And now repeating 11 touchdowns.
52:58Is it hard? Yeah. Is he going to do it?
53:01Probably. He'll probably do it. Bowers might do it, too.
53:04These guys are going to be it's going to be a narrow, very close situation.
53:09But it's it's tough. I know you are the most like in the Brock Bowers you've ever been, you know, in terms
53:16of like looking at him as the bona fide number one overall at the position.
53:21Yeah. I mean, it's tough. They're both great players.
53:24I don't I don't think that there's a bad pick here.
53:27And I will say that I would have been wide receiver for last year, by the way.
53:32My strategy this year is get an elite tight end.
53:36And that means only these four. And perhaps even if you want to take the strategy to just like we know Bowers
53:43and McBride are going to be dominant. Warren and Loveland are projections.
53:46You're hoping now they're a little cheaper, but they still cost a lot in drafts.
53:51If you wanted to take the strategy of it's just Bowers and McBride or else punt like I'm I'm fine with that as well.
53:59Bowers and McBride are both. Isn't this around Josh Allen category?
54:02I mean, could yeah. Won't this be your decision between if you're going to go onesie, you go Josh Allen or you go Bowers McBride?
54:10Probably. How do you view that in terms of advantage for your team, Mike?
54:15I I lean the tight end spot of getting one of those two guys.
54:19It's not a lack of confidence in Josh Allen.
54:22It's just a you know, finding quarterback production is you've got guys you like.
54:27It's just easier and and more predictable on a week to week basis than you streaming a quarterback.
54:32Um, if depending on your league and how they handle the waiver wire.
54:37But in terms of just the process of identifying the quarterback that should have a good week compared to the tight end, it's it's easier on the quarterback.
54:46Yeah. So I mean, we started this episode talking about Travis Kelsey.
54:49He's our 10th ranked tight end. And so if you're going to take one late and one early, the difference between Travis
54:56Kelsey is like the tight end 10 versus, you know, Trevor Lawrence right now.
55:01ADP was is the quarterback 10. It's like, is Travis Kelsey does Travis Kelsey have a chance to be another like absolute difference maker at the position?
55:09Probably not. Does does Trevor Lawrence? Sure. Probably does Dak.
55:13Does Jackson Dart? Those guys. Those are all those guys.
55:16Tyler Shuck. Yeah. Bone Knicks. Um, sleeper tight end you're interested in because this is, you know, we have our top 10
55:23by consensus, but throwing out a sleeper tight end for me, it's Goddard.
55:27I've brought him up a couple of times. Um, whenever AJ Brown or Devante Smith is this time, he's been a huge beneficiary on the offense.
55:35AJ Brown is gone. He's going to miss some time for the high lemon has had two hamstring injuries.
55:41We don't right now. It looks like Don Tavian Wicks is the second man up, which to me makes Dallas Goddard the
55:48wide receiver to Eli Stowers has done nothing. He's he's been buried on the depth chart so far in, in camp.
55:55So I, I, I like that him to get it together.
55:59I agree. Uh, mine is the guy I took in our last mock draft, Dalton Kincaid.
56:04The team picked up his fifth year option. He was first round pick.
56:08He was literally the best in the entire league at tight end at, um, sorry, yards per route run.
56:14The problem was he wasn't healthy. He only ran 15 rounds.
56:17How's he doing right now? Very healthy. There was a, uh, a miniature scare where it was like, oh, he, yeah, he went, yeah, he went down.
56:26And so he was interviewed afterwards about like what happened.
56:29I was like, was this the knee again? It was like, no, he got, he got it in the family jewels.
56:36Yeah. Shout out. Yeah. Not enough. Referencing the family jewels.
56:39I feel like I haven't heard that since like early Simpsons, but currently very healthy.
56:44And obviously having Josh Allen as your quarterback doesn't hurt.
56:47And I'm going as I like to do the Senator with the tight end position.
56:52Oh, Jason guys. Like if Benson, it happens where the show, we're just, we're going to close it down.
56:58Don't worry about good news. We ain't going nowhere.
57:01Just saying. Uh, no, I'm going with a, you know, we've talked about a, you need a tight end who can become
57:08the number two or the number one option. The Miami dolphins.
57:11It's gross down there. Uh, Andy is a big believer in Malik Willis.
57:15I'm more on your side of, I think that he is a, uh, more likely to be a good quarterback than not.
57:22Who's the number one option there? I guess it's Malik Washington right now, just de facto, but Greg Dulcich is there.
57:29His, you know, the, the nerd stats, the yards per route run pretty good.
57:342.38, not a huge sample size for him. He's had his moments as a, as an NFL.
57:39He's had moments and he has the, uh, the, he has the athletic profile that we want it.
57:45When you're, when you're just taking a, a random shot at the tight end position, athleticism matters.
57:50This isn't like, you know, like guys at running back and wide receiver, they can be slower.
57:56It's just, it can happen, but, but an athletic tight end, they are more likely to break through.
58:01He could end up as the number one target for this offense.
58:05That doesn't mean I'm saying top five or anything, but it's a player who is right now undrafted that I think he,
58:12like he could be a sneaky top 12 guy at the end of the year.
58:17There's always, there's always nasty tight ends that, that sneak in there.
58:21Yeah. And this is also something where, look, if you might not get drafted, you probably won't get drafted in your league,
58:28but when you're looking at what happens and you get a sign in week one or two, week one, eight targets show up.
58:35Right. And even if he doesn't catch them all or doesn't get in the end zone, look for, I love looking for
58:42tight ends through the target lens when you're looking at the free agency.
58:46Yeah. See who's getting action. Fannin was there last year on the waiver wire this year.
58:52I mean, Isaiah likely might be that. Chig might be there.
58:55Or Sadiq or somebody. Yeah, Sadiq. There's a lot of options.
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