0:00What's going on everybody? Today we're breaking down five of the biggest questions facing the Cleveland Browns ahead of the 2026 season with Ace Browns
0:07beat reporter Zack Jackson. You can find all of his great work over at The Athletic Akan Jackson on the old Twitter
0:13sphere. Happy training camp, Zack.
0:15>> Yeah, man. Good to be here. Good to be back. I I think it was like last year around this time I was in a bar. That's
0:20probably stunning. And I was talking football. That's probably stunning. And there was this kid, I don't know, young adult I guess, hanging around and like
0:27he didn't want to butt in, but he comes up to me and he goes, "Dude, do you know Ian Artitz?" And I'm like, "Hell yeah,
0:32great day to be great." And then he walked away and we didn't talk anymore, but uh yeah, football is almost back.
0:38So, um right down the road from me in Canton, Ohio, like two or three days. I don't know what day it is, but uh we're
0:44we're we're getting ready to have actual partial football back.
0:49I appreciate Zach in a world full of be reporters who again try to have those rosecolored glasses on. I do think you
0:55do a better job of a lot of being a little more realistic about the standings. Obviously being with the Cleveland Browns makes that maybe a
1:02little bit easier than the other ones.
1:03So I understand everyone neither of us are here to tell you the Browns could be his top five juggernaut offense. But
1:08guess what? We still see plenty of great fantasy players come from even more mediocre offenses. And maybe just maybe this guy Tom Muk could help things out.
1:15But obviously Zach starts at the top of everything. QB situation. It's been a mess kind of forever. Shout out to my
1:21dude Bernie Kart back in the day. But Deshawn Watson, Shador Sanders against kind of the Mclovin Mohamd competition going on. Is there any hope for
1:30something better than just mediocre play under center? And how do you see this competition playing out?
1:35>> Well, the hope for anything better than mediocre would be that the young receivers do look really good and and Harold Fannon is really good. So, like
1:42from a fantasy standpoint, yeah, maybe.
1:45like and I think totally no doubt there's really good young players on this team on both sides of the ball. I
1:51think a hotter take, a wilder take would be maybe it's not going to be a fantasy wasteland because they have good young
1:57players and I think they're going to be losing a lot too.
2:00>> Um but as far as the quarterback, this is the hard one for me for for a lot of reasons is that even entertaining the
2:07thought of putting Deshun Watson on the field as a non-starter for me, right?
2:10Like you are not winning the Super Bowl.
2:11You are probably not making the playoffs. This is the guy that sunk the franchise. So why even go? He's only on
2:17the roster because you can't afford to cut him. So get ready for next year.
2:21Play the young guy. The more gifted young guy is Shador Sanders and and see what happens. So I think it's headed
2:27that way because through the late spring and just now barely a week into camp, Deshawn has been so bad. Like he he has
2:34been so so so so bad that it's reinforced my thoughts. So long way to go. Um, you know, five or six days into
2:41camp, I would say Shador is leading. I wouldn't say he's winning, right? But he's leading. And I I do think in
2:47fairness that he's shown some improvement. Uh, he is an accurate thrower of the ball. And he last year did the smart thing and threw it to
2:54Harold Fannon in camp this year. He's done a lot of smart things and thrown it to the perimeter to Denzel Boston. So
2:59like he's coming along and to me, if the Browns do anything other than put him out there and let him grow and let them
3:05find out what they have, then they are just wasting everyone's time.
3:08certainly flashed a few times last year.
3:10Titans game was a lot of fun. You know, horrible weather, inexplicably getting 60 plus points, getting scored in that one. Made a couple nice deep throws. So,
3:17I'm with you. Always would like to see the younger guy went out. I did see something interesting. I think it was an
3:22interview with Deshawn a couple months ago where he was saying he felt like he was back to 100% which again coming off
3:28not one but two Achilles ruptures. Just sounded wild to me. Have you seen anything close to kind of that pre-shoulder, pre- Achilles version of
3:36Deshawn athletically at least?
3:38>> No. I think he definitely looked healthy and fresh in the spring and and that showed up because he is a good athlete.
3:43Is he the same athlete? I would doubt it. You know, can he stay healthy once he takes a hit? I I don't know. Uh I'm
3:49not a doctor.
3:51>> You know, he he he will occasionally make a good throw. And I think even through the three years that he played,
3:56there were some moments, but man, it's almost always followed up with like this inexplicable decision. Like he threw six picks in the first four days of of camp
4:05and people got excited. They weren't all his fault, right? But two of them he there were three defenders there and he
4:09just threw it and one of them caught it.
4:11>> Like it's it's bad. He he just doesn't process and he just has not been consistently good at anything and there's just no point in playing it. If
4:20he has an NFL future, and I doubt that he does, it's not in Cleveland. So, why are the Browns even entertaining the
4:25thought? Tells me they must not like their other options or they're just the Browns and it's it's the latest inexplicable thing that they're going to
4:32do.
4:33>> Any thoughts? Any propaganda on Tailen Green? This is someone who blew up the combine and hey, in fantasy land, we
4:39love quarterbacks who can run the football, you know, how good they are in real life. Be damned.
4:43>> Yeah, you know, I I I'm afraid that people aren't going to get that preseason fantasy big game out of Tail
4:48and Green because they have to play the other guys, right? Um, I think he is getting comfortable and he's certainly intriguing. He's not getting many reps
4:55now because he's fourth in line and they see him as a development. So, they love the kid. They love the upside. There's a
5:01scenario where he's active for games and plays as a running back and a short yardage guy. Uh, but I think they plan
5:07to develop him and really this is kind of like year zero for him and then next year regardless of what it looks like
5:12the rest of the quarterback room will be his chance to show that he can be an NFL quarterback. But I think there's a
5:18thought on that organization that Talon Green will help them win a game at some point, but will that be as a starting
5:23quarterback? Um, probably not. And right now that's like galaxies away from happening.
5:29>> Interesting though, short package. I know they used Herold Fannon a little bit in that last year and obviously, you know, don't want to take the ball out of
5:35his hands either, but I mean that would be a fun spot there for Tailon Green.
5:38Obviously though, running the football, we want to be going to the bell cow.
5:42Quinn Sean Judkins look fantastic. I've said like I think if we made an alien who had never watched football before watch all these running backs in the
5:492025 rookie class they might very well say Judkins was the best of the group. I mean especially before you know the
5:54second half of the season really was doing good things from your just point of view like having watching practice does he seem all the way back to 100%
6:01coming off that devastating injury?
6:03>> Yeah he seems healthy he seems explosive. So I I agree he's a very talented player and it's a question of
6:08good or great. It's not a question of if you know with any running back it's what's your opportunity? Who's blocking for you? what what game script are you
6:14in? All of those things. But just like from a physical standpoint, it was clearly there last year. He didn't have training camp, which is why he couldn't
6:21play in the past game. And I think that's an important note for fantasy nerds to know this year. But like just
6:26seeing him kind of ahead of schedule back in May and now seeing him, you wouldn't know that that there was an
6:31injury. So I think he's so much better than the other guys. I think what it's going to come down to for the Browns is
6:36a difficult decision on how much to use him. And if they're in a game early in the season that their defense has kept
6:42him in, I'd think he let it rip. Now, over the course of the season, we'll see. But like, if this dude stays
6:47healthy, he's going to produce. And a couple times last year, you heard the Nick Chub thing turn, you know, thrown out there. Um, some of the Vikings
6:54players actually said it after the London game, and I I thought it at times. So, that's getting way ahead, but like he's a top level exploder, and um,
7:05you know, as he adds to his game, which just going through a training camp, my dog needs to shut up. She's so excited
7:09about some questioned him in the third round. Yeah. So, um yeah. So, like yeah, you know, is he going to play 16 games? I I don't know.
7:20But like, is he going to get volume when he plays? Absolutely. And I'm excited to see where where it goes.
7:26>> The pass down skill set's interesting because he never looked out of, you know, position catching the football during his time at Old Miss and then
7:33Ohio State. Even last year, you know, some of the dump downs they would throw him on play action and stuff. It seemed
7:37fine. Don Samson though is someone a lot of us fantasy nerds and virgins are looking at and you know he broke off
7:42some of these screens. He had he has some really good like per route efficiency numbers all right that honestly put him near the top of the
7:47class though. But I did notice you say like Judkins just does seem to be in a different stratosphere than these guys.
7:52Could you see Monin leaning on Judkins more so as that true three down workhorse whereas last year it was at least a little bit more Dylan Samson on
8:00passdowns?
8:01>> Yeah, I think I could. Uh I don't know because we're too early in that, right?
8:04and they're still installing the offense and trying to get reps for for everybody.
8:09>> Um Dylan Samson to me is not an RB2.
8:11He's a specific role guy. He's tiny.
8:13Now, he's quick, but he's tiny. So, um you know, I think it's it's Quinchan Judkins and then it's everybody else.
8:19Dylan Samson's going to be on the team.
8:21He's going to return kicks. He's going to be a third down back, but like if Quinshan would miss time or as this
8:25offense evolves, I don't know what's there. You know, I think Rocket Sanders is the emergency option. I think he will make the team. Uh, and if you know,
8:33assuming health, those those will be the three. But Dylan Samson's just so much different than those guys. And this is no knock on Samson and Sanders, who I
8:41think have a chance to like be decent NFL players. Quinn Sean's just so much better than all of them. Like he he just
8:47is. So you have to keep him healthy and you have to find the best way to use him.
8:52>> Interesting. So Samson not even if he is a second man up in RB drills, you're saying you would expect a little bit
8:58more of a committee as opposed to like Samson stepping into some sort of a bell role without >> I think I think he if I have this right
9:05he was the youngest player in the whole NFL last year and he's also one of the smallest players like he's t so like you
9:11see it the quickness you're like okay that that's why they took a chance on him but like what does that really
9:17translate to over the you know to me it just translates to a specific role and we'll see Um, you know, Quincan did not
9:24do any of the team stuff in the spring.
9:26They were just bringing him along and and usually it was Rocket Sanders getting getting that and they and they have, you know, a guy named Ammani
9:33Marshall who's a hold over from the practice squad last year. They did sign another smaller back in undrafted free agency. The name is escaping me. So,
9:41you're like you're seeing these guys get their turn and like I said, my my just conclusion is just that Quinn John
9:45Juggins is just like better than all of them combined.
9:48>> Hey man, makes sense. Again, we're always looking for those mid round bell cows. So good stuff on Judkins. Maybe pump the brakes a little bit on the
9:54assumption everyone on Samson being that surefire next man up. Let's talk about the breakout guys though. You had a great tweet yesterday that Casey
10:01Conception and Denzel Boston already miles. Wait, Galaxy is better than any of the other wide receivers. And I'm a little bit offended, Zach, cuz I spent
10:08too much of my summer drafting Jerry Judy. I was thinking maybe he can get traded to. So we'll see what happens.
10:12I'm I'll go down with the ship, whatever. But man, what has it been about these pair of rookies that again just have you so impressed?
10:18>> Yeah. Well, Boston, it's the size, right? Right. And then he didn't run the combine. And like I'm just going to be
10:23honest with you, like I kind of assumed he was this huge like lumbering dude and they were just going to throw him passes
10:28on the outside and he's not like he he's lean and he's fairly explosive. So he's he's got a long way to go, but like from
10:35the very start he they've thrown him the ball and like you see him use the size.
10:40He's not just big, right? And and like he he was the undoubted star of the spring uh at a time they're not
10:47completing a lot of passes. and Conpsion U, he's lightning, so he's tiny and he dropped a couple in the spring. He
10:54dropped too many in college, but like five days into camp, man, he's been all over the place. So, the ball is going to
11:00be in his hands. He's going to return punts. He's going to run jet sweeps.
11:03They're going to force him touches. Uh, but like he's a pretty good route runner. And, you know, they didn't know how was they figured they were starting
11:11offensive line, right? They didn't know what exact trade down would come. Kind of Caleb DS was was the emergency, but they wanted to get Spencer Fono. They
11:19made a trade. They did >> right away. They wanted Casey Conpsion.
11:23Like they wanted him. Mai Lemon was out there. Other guys were out there. That's who they wanted. And for some reason, if
11:29that wouldn't have worked out, they would have drafted Boston at 24. They ended up getting him 15 picks later. So I that doesn't that's not super telling
11:36because you start playing that what if game and you can change a lot of things, right? But like these are the guys that
11:42they went through the process. They were like, "Okay, we'd love to have Carnell Tate. We're probably not going to get him." The other guys we're not sure on.
11:48This is who we want and and that's who they went and got.
11:52>> Now with Casey, obviously there's been a lot of kind of parallels to him and Zay Flowers just with again them being these
11:56jitterbug super agile dudes. And I love what you said about the jet sweeps, getting these design touches for the guy because obviously he is electric with
12:03the ball in his hands. first round pick though, I would hope that he's still very much gonna be a starting every down
12:09wide receiver getting gadget touches.
12:11Not someone we have to worry about being, you know, more of a part-time player.
12:14>> Yeah. Yeah. He's going to have those touches and he's going to be on the field. I just don't know what they're
12:18going to do personnel wise because especially if Watson plays, it's going to be a lot of heavy personnel and like just protect him from himself, right? So
12:27like isn't Judy going like 16th round or 17th round in baseball?
12:31>> It's so late, man.
12:31>> It's so late. And so I don't hate now he's he's not very good at football and that's one of the problems. [laughter]
12:37Okay. But he's going to play like when they are out there in September. Jerry Judy is going to play a lot of the snaps
12:43and a lot of the snaps at outside receiver and a lot of the first read it.
12:46What what he's going to do with that I don't know. But but as they go forward, Boston is most definitely that outside
12:53perimeter, you know, red zone sideline wide receiver. And Conpsion is going to be in a bunch of different places. So, he's going to have the touches. He's
13:02going to have the volume. Like, again, I if you're a fantasy player and you're scared of the Browns, I get it. But like
13:09in that, you know, past the 10th round or in the 10th, like >> as your fourth wide receiver, like this guy's going to get volume and he's going
13:18to score some touchdowns. Now, are they going to score 15 touchdowns as a pass offense the whole year? I don't know.
13:24But like, Casey Conpion's going to have opportunities to make big plays. No doubt about it.
13:30I know you're not sitting in the GM's office. You're going out there and you're just again writing fantastic stuff for the Athletic, doing your
13:36thing. Could you see a scenario though where if Isaiah Bond is coming up a little bit, KC is playing well, Boston's
13:41going well. Like, do you have a percentage chance or just like a gut feel? Like, is Jerry Judy still going to
13:46be on the Browns at the end of this year?
13:47>> Well, he's only on right now because they can't afford to trade him. So, down the road once they make some decisions
13:53and know the path like if if someone's willing to give a seven for him, sure.
13:57uh you know, but yeah, he this is probably his last year. Sorry, I was kind of getting ahead of myself talking
14:02October here. Isaiah Bond is interesting and he definitely had a big spring. Now, he he really didn't have much of a
14:07training camp either.
14:08>> He's gifted. Um I would say he's not as good as Conpion and they probably play the same position. So, I think he's
14:14going to get chances and he got a couple last year. Um Shador threw threw him a couple bombs. So, that'll be there. But
14:20again, we're we're still figuring out what this offense is going to look like because Fannon wasn't there in the spring and he missed a day for personal
14:28reasons early. Uh Boston and Conpion are undoubtedly going to play and how everybody else fits and where they are, I don't know. Like Cedric Tilman is
14:37having a good camp because he's out there killing the threes. You know, he he and Dylan Gabriel should not be out
14:42there with the threes. So the Browns have upgraded that and Cedric Tilman might be on somebody else's roster, but he's not as good as Denzel Boston. And
14:48then Denzel Boston's going to be on this team for a long time till men's in the last year of his contract. So the I know
14:54the rookies are going to play and I know Judy's going to play early, but what it looks like in October, I we really don't
15:00have an idea because it's a brand new offense and they're just trying to get everybody up to speed. But Bond's talent
15:05has shown up and I think there's probably worse like last round flyers than him, but he's not as good as Conception. So I where his opportunities
15:13really come remains to be seen.
15:15Cedric Tilman, man. Those four weeks from what, 2023? Hell of a drug. People forget.
15:20>> But what happened is they didn't have a real NFL offense when Watson was in there.
15:24>> Yeah.
15:24>> So, as soon as Jamus came in and started throwing the ball down the field, like guys started making plays. [laughter]
15:29>> Funny how that works.
15:30>> And the thing with Jerry Judy in in full fairness, like he's done it. He's just never done it consistently. But even if
15:36you take away that Monday night game where he went mega nuclear, like he's got hundred yard games. He's got 70 yard
15:41touchdowns. He just does the dumb like last year when he fumbled the ball in in Las Vegas, you know, and like he
15:48is getting so schooled by Denzel Ward at training camp. So, we're all watching the quarterbacks, right? Well, every throw that goes to the outside to Jerry
15:54Judy goes incomplete because Denzel Ward just is absolutely a phenomenal football player and Jerry Judy isn't.
15:59>> Yeah.
16:01Congrats to Ward on getting absolutely paid here recently. Certainly deserves that. So, Judy, it's just one of those things where you look at the receivers
16:07with,200 plus yards in the last two years. Most of them go in the top 15 because they're awesome. Brian Thomas Jr. is a little bit later and to your
16:14point, Judy's like round 16. So at some point they do become a value, but really does sound like Casey Conception is
16:20going to be again probably the guy we're chasing mostly in fantasy football drafts. Accordingly, you guys are trying to get that leg up. Code Ian 20 for all
16:27of our rotorwire tools, rankings, draft assistance, all that jazz. Appreciate you guys hanging out. Harold Fannon though, let's face it, probably should
16:34be the star of the show. I love the, you know, there's a great account out there called Coach Speak Index. that actually
16:39goes through watches all the press conferences and tries to kind of put a grade on exactly you know what coaches are telling the truth when they're
16:45talking about usage and not but it was just you know talking to Monk and it was like hey do you see Harold Fannon being
16:50a big part of it and he immediately was like the Kool-Aid man oh yeah Harold Fannon is going to be a big part of this
16:54offense how does he look coming off the offseason groin surgery and do you see him potentially being the leader in the
16:59clubhouse to again lead this team in receptions >> yes yes and yes um that's how I see it again we don't know um and it's been
17:06kind of a slowish start to him now Monday, he was the guy getting it and I think he's going to get all those
17:11opportunities. But he looks good. I I just think it's a matter of getting on the same page. Like if you don't play
17:16for months, it's it's hard to get in there. But he definitely um came back stronger. He doesn't look slow or anything. He he's he just turned 22 like
17:24two weeks ago, [laughter] right? And and played in the Mid-American Conference.
17:28So that was my thing with Harold Fannon last year is I knew he was good and I was high on him. I just didn't know how
17:34it was going to go, right? Nooku was the starter. it wasn't going to be a good offense. This is a 21-year-old third
17:39round pick. Like, we we got to figure it out. And then he was out there early with the ones and they were lining him
17:44up at fullback and quarterback and I was like, man, are are they desperate? And and they were, but really soon my answer
17:51was they just trying to get this guy on the field and get him the ball in any way that they can. So, um yeah, I think
17:57to me he's still the significant favorite to lead the team in targets and receptions. No doubt. And um I'm going to speak my language. I'm not going to
18:06speak yours. And I I play baseball to an extent. I don't hold any any like delusions that I'm great at it, right?
18:13But I think I've drafted six or seven teams. And the other day I was listening to a fantasy podcast and I logged on
18:18just to see cuz people were getting in an argument about like who had who. And >> there's one player that I've drafted on
18:24like 70% of those teams that I've drafted and nobody else at like 20%. And guess who that player is? Harold Fannon.
18:31Because to me, he's going way way way too low. like he he he is he is really really really good after
18:38the catch. He's a big target. The quarterbacks trust him and if he becomes the focal point of this offense, it would not be a surprise to me at all.
18:47>> He just led the whole position and tackles avoided and it wasn't particularly natural. Him, >> oh my god, him, Tucker Craft, Darnell
18:55Washington, they're so fun to watch, man. Football should be fun, too.
18:58Listen, four years ago, this dude was a high school safety who played receiver and played a little quarterback and he Big 10 wanted him and they wanted him to
19:07play safety. Some of them wanted to put on weight and play defensive end, right?
19:10And and because the way a couple things went, Bowling Green got him and made him a tight end. And then even when the big
19:15schools came with like the million dollars, his coach basically said, >> "They're they're not ready. Like, we need you here and you can turn down this
19:23million now and you're going to make many millions later." and and it was right. And like I said, he just turned
19:2922 like the week before they showed up for camp.
19:32>> I got to start drafting more Herald fan myself. One of the things I did look at this offseason, Zach, which should make
19:37you feel better about that exposure is just what positions can do better. I'm bad or like bottom 10 scoring offenses.
19:43There's been 30 combined like top 12 dudes at quarterback, running back, wide receiver. Bottom 10 scoring offenses do their thing. 24 tight ends alone, which
19:51I think kind of makes sense. You know, your entire passing game is flowing through a tight end. you're playing from behind. Yeah, we just saw with Trenic
19:57Pride last year.
19:58>> Yeah, I think in full fairness like Shador did some good things and Shador did some bad things last year. And you
20:03know, >> how dare you have a rational, [laughter] >> but one of the smartest things he did is he locked in on Harold Fannon. Like he
20:10recognized it right away and he knew, hey, whe whether he trusts what he saw or was comfortable with anything else, like he knew this defense is coming at
20:18me and I'm looking for 44.
20:21>> Zack, fantastic stuff. Again, everyone can and should go find yourself over at the Athletic. have fun continuing to cover Browns training camp. Anything
20:27else you want to get off your chest, my friend?
20:29>> No, it's too early. Um, like I said, we're just kind of figuring this out and I don't know how it's going to go. I do
20:35expect that they'll trade Cedric Tilman if the opportunity, you know, presents itself. I don't know what happens with like a tight end two situation here with
20:43the Browns. And I I I don't you know, you're not going to play Fannon as like a true tight end one and have him
20:48blocking 60% of the time because they're going to run Judkins a lot. So, like what position does he end up playing and
20:53and who who do they have on the field?
20:55We're just too early to know that. But like I said, I I'm down on this team and they should be playing for the future.
21:01But in terms of like good young players, they have a bunch of them. A bunch of them. 21-year-old Conpsion, 22-year-old Boston, 22-y old Fannon, 22-y old
21:10Judkins. And that's before you get to the defense where Carson Swinger's defensive rookie of the year, >> right? So, like there's a potentially a
21:18bright future for the Browns. But I've covered a lot of Browns quarterback competitions and in a weekend this is as bad as I've ever seen. Like it is
21:27dreadful. So it's just a weekend and and preseason doesn't start for 10 days or something like that, but it's dreadful so far.
21:36>> I do hear you on the overall roster building. The last two draft classes have been nice. I think the Travis
21:41Hunter and Miles Garrett trades, you really couldn't ask for getting more back, you know.
21:45>> Absolutely. People are excited about the Miles Garrett trade. Now, the reality is you had to make it because Watson sunk
21:50the ship, right? And the reality of this quarterback competition is it's the guy that sunk the franchise versus a guy who
21:56if he gets a lot better can be an average quarterback. So, temper your expectations, but like if I the next best ball draft I do, I'm going to stare
22:04at Judkins really early because if he can stay healthy even if they stink, like he's going to have the ball all the
22:11time and he's explosive.
22:13>> Judkins, Bellcow, everyone, Harold Phantom, focal point of the offense.
22:17Casey Conception, Denzo Boston flashing and if the quarterback competition is to be believed, maybe, just maybe, Shor Sanders is the one we should actually be
22:24expecting to be starting from the beginning to the end of the year. But again, Zack, thank you so much.
22:28Everyone, thank you so much for watching. If you like the video, please like the video. Hitting that subscribe button always helps us out as well. But
22:34for Zack, I'm Ian. Thanks again for tuning in. Until next time, take care everybody.