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The Reigning Champion is...Underrated?

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1 hr 15 min
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Sep 9, 2026
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Wed, September 9, 2026
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Jaxon Smith-NjigbaKenneth Walker IIIRashid ShaheedSam DarnoldAJ BarnerBrady RussellEmanuel WilsonJacardia WrightJake BoboJalen CokerRicky Pearsall
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AJ Barner

PositiveBreakout43:18

Ej Snyder is interested in a possible A.J. Barner ascension as the Seahawks' new tight ends coach. Barner, a former tight ends coach who worked with Kittle, is expected to focus on the tight end as a focal point of the offense in a way the Seahawks haven't previously. Snyder believes if this happens, people will get introduced to Barner very quickly, suggesting potential breakout opportunity for the tight end position.

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Brady Russell

NegativeRole52:32

Brady Russell is the starting fullback for the Seahawks and was retained by the team. Ej Snyder notes that many of Seattle's retained players at lower salary tiers are still important starters on the team, highlighting Russell's role despite his position's reduced fantasy relevance.

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Emanuel Wilson

NegativeRole93:28

Emmanuel Wilson was brought in from the Packers to add depth to the Seahawks running back room alongside existing backs Terry and Arnold; his role and impact remain uncertain.

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Jacardia Wright

NegativeDepth Chart47:27

Jakardia Wright departed the Hawks in free agency but returned to the team on the practice squad.

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Jake Bobo

NegativeInjury88:28

Jake Bobo is currently on injured reserve after being a valuable contributor for the Seahawks for several years.

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Jalen Coker

NegativeRole19:18

Jalen Coker was mentioned as one of Seattle's ancillary weapons that the offense leaned on more heavily in the second half of the season when JSN was no longer getting backbreaking explosive opportunities. The team made adjustments to involve other receivers more as defenses stopped giving JSN one-on-one coverage.

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Jaxon Smith-Njigba

NegativeUsage17:17

After the Rams' week 11 defensive blueprint, defenses stopped giving JSN one-on-one coverage and instead forced Seattle to beat them with other receivers. In weeks 11+, Darnold's passer rating against man coverage dropped to 89.3 (30-point decline), explosive pass rate fell to 8.8% (cut by two-thirds), yards per attempt declined to 6.8, and EPA per play turned negative at -0.04. JSN only received double-digit single-coverage snaps in one game after week 11 (vs. Falcons, 10 catches, 92 yards, 2 TDs), marking a dramatic shift in how defenses attacked Seattle's offense down the stretch.

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PositiveUsage17:42

JSN was the centerpiece of Seattle's offensive identity in the first half of 2024, engineered to get one-on-one matchups through a run-heavy scheme that forced defenses into cover three. In weeks 1-10, Darnold had a 117.5 passer rating against man coverage with JSN, a 23.8% explosive pass rate, 9.5 yards per attempt, and 0.36 EPA per play. JSN had five games with 10+ receiving snaps in single coverage during this stretch. However, after the Rams set a defensive blueprint in week 11 limiting his explosives while allowing catches underneath, JSN's role changed dramatically; he got double-digit single-coverage snaps in only one game (vs. Falcons) for the rest of the season.

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NegativeRole21:36

Teams have figured out the Sam Darnold-to-JSN connection and stopped giving man-to-man coverage; Mike McDonald acknowledged the adjustment and made counter-adjustments, but JSN's role and target distribution remain subject to defensive scheme evolution.

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PositiveUsage21:36

JSN's yards per reception dropped from 16.5 in weeks 1-11 to 13 flat after week 11, a nearly 25% reduction; teams adjusted their coverage strategy after identifying the Sam Darnold-to-JSN connection as a primary target, moving away from man-to-man coverage that had initially favored JSN's production.

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Kenneth Walker III

NegativeUsage10:33

Kenneth Walker was the primary explosive-play generator for Seattle's run game despite the team ranking 29th in rushing EPA per play. The Seahawks' run game was characterized as inconsistent—'pulling teeth sometimes because it felt like nothing, nothing, nothing, everything'—with Walker typically responsible for the explosive plays. The run game was adequate enough to support the passing offense's elite performance, and Walker's presence was instrumental in forcing defenses into cover three looks that Seattle exploited to get JSN one-on-one.

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NegativeUsage42:00

Kenneth Walker's role in the run game evolved late in the 49ers' season; when power and counter schemes weren't working, the team shifted to gap scheme and trusted Walker to bounce runs outside for explosive plays rather than attacking downhill, suggesting his usage may depend on Brian Fleury's run game philosophy in Seattle.

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NegativeValue50:01

Kenneth Walker signed with the Chiefs for approximately $14.3 million annually, roughly two-thirds of the top of the running back market (set by Bijan Robinson and Gibbs). Ej Snyder notes that Walker's injury history likely factored into the lower price point, but still views it as a good deal for Kansas City.

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Rashid Shaheed

NegativeRole35:00

Rashid Shaheed is listed as a complementary receiver behind JSN; if JSN goes down, Shaheed would be among the primary options alongside Torrey Horton, though the speaker expresses some uncertainty about whether either can function as a true number-one receiver.

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NegativeDepth Chart51:57

Rashid Shaheed was retained and extended by the Seahawks as part of a lengthy list of in-house signings. Ej Snyder notes that Seattle's John Schneider is very loyal to players who have supported the organization, ensuring these players got paid across both the top and bottom of the pay scale.

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NegativeRole87:26

Rashid Shaheed is listed among the Seahawks' lower-paid contributors on the roster, indicating he is a depth or reserve player rather than a core offensive weapon.

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Ricky Pearsall

PositiveValue50:29

Ricky Pearsall signed a one-year, $12 million mercenary deal with the Eagles that Ej Snyder characterizes as 'criminal'—a steal for Philadelphia. Snyder believes Pearsall will 'light it up' and be 'awesome' in the Eagles secondary, and expects him to command a significantly larger contract in 2027 free agency. The one-year structure allows Pearsall to prove himself and reset his market value while the Eagles get a discount.

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Sam Darnold

NegativeProjection17:17

Darnold's performance against man coverage deteriorated sharply in weeks 11+, dropping to an 89.3 passer rating (30-point decline), 8.8% explosive pass rate (two-thirds reduction), 6.8 yards per attempt, and -0.04 EPA per play. This collapse occurred after the Rams set a defensive blueprint that forced Seattle to beat them with receivers other than JSN, a strategy other defenses copied for the remainder of the season.

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PositiveProjection17:42

Darnold's early-season performance against man coverage was elite: 117.5 passer rating, 23.8% explosive pass rate, 9.5 yards per attempt, and 0.36 EPA per play in weeks 1-10. This was driven by Seattle's offensive scheme designed to get JSN one-on-one through run-heavy looks that forced defenses into cover three, then attacking with under-center non-play-action drop backs to punish those coverages and create man-coverage opportunities where Darnold excelled.

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PositiveProjection67:18

Ej Snyder's identifies Sam Darnold as a key ingredient in the Seahawks' back-to-back Super Bowl ceiling; notes the team has all necessary ingredients—talent, coaching, and quarterback—to repeat, which is rare in NFL history. Snyder emphasizes Darnold's role in the team's capability to win 14 games as the ceiling, though acknowledges the NFC West's competitive depth may limit playoff seeding even with a 14-win season.

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Episode Transcript

875
0:00The Pacific Northwest is home to a wide range of apex predators.
0:04Orcas, bears, cougars, and eagles all ply their trades at the top of the food chain.
0:09Last season, another beast was added to their ranks.
0:12The dark side defense. Terrifyingly fast, aggressive, and always hungry, Seattle's defense ran down opponents like prey, crushing their hopes in the process.
0:19Only a precious few were able to escape with victory.
0:22This round of Seahawks success began with EJ Snyder's legendary run in the NFL draft, starting in 2022.
0:28That talent was weaponized by Mike McDonald and his staff over the past two seasons.
0:33And in the end, those players delivered the Emerald City its second NFL title.
0:38Now, comes one of the toughest jobs in sports.
0:40Trying to create back-to-back climbs to the NFL mountaintop.
0:43It's the final day of the Bootleg Summer Series and we're going out with a bang.
0:49We're here to tell you how the Hawks did it and what they'll need to do to do it again.
0:55Welcome to Bootleg. And welcome to the regular season.
0:58Welcome to the Bootleg Football Podcast. I'm Brett Coleman.
1:01That's EJ Snyder. Ladies and gentlemen, we made it.
1:04Team 32 out of 32. This is going live roughly hours before the NFL season kicks off.
1:09Of course, with the Seahawks and the Patriots. And so we are barely making it this year, but we are making it.
1:16This is it. This is the last episode of the Summer Series.
1:20The next time you see us, we're going to be recapping what happened this weekend.
1:25So this is partially a pregame show for you.
1:28Partially a 2025 recap. Partially a 2026 offseason analysis.
1:31But most of all, just a celebration. EJ, another year.
1:34Another Summer Series in the can. Wouldn't rather do it with anybody else.
1:38Well, I appreciate that. It is a labor of love for us and for all of you.
1:43It gets us ready for the season, so it's self-serving in that way.
1:48But really, it is about trying to deliver a product to all of you that you find worthwhile and that enriches your
1:55football experience however you take that in. So we couldn't be happier that you joined us for this one or maybe all
2:0232 for that rare breed that decides they want to burn their summer just like ours.
2:07We appreciate all of you, no matter how you consume this stuff.
2:11But today it is. We didn't necessarily do this to end up with the Seahawks.
2:16That wasn't the point. We do this geographically and by division.
2:19And the Seahawks are the final team in our long, long journey.
2:23And it is a fantastic way to end a fantastic series.
2:27This was a great team. They're a lot of fun to talk about.
2:31They're my most geographically adjacent team. So I get to see a lot of them.
2:36You know, we've covered them a lot. We covered them in our best draft classes for the past few years.
2:42We did a wrap up, certainly, of their Super Bowl win.
2:45And they've achieved the highest heights in the sport.
2:48Now what do you do? And we're going to focus quite a bit of today's show on that.
2:54And of course, with it being a Seattle show, this is literally the most apt time to be drinking our partner whiskey,
3:01Woodinville Whiskey, which is right up near Seattle. See, Woodinville is what, like 45 minutes?
3:06Well, it depends on traffic. But just an hour and a half.
3:10Just across the lake, yeah. This is the Woodinville nine year specifically, which to me is the second finest bottle they've ever produced.
3:17The finest bottle being, of course, our barrel pick with them.
3:21But it is absolutely fantastic. I believe they're almost coming out with a 10 year.
3:26It's about time. I believe that will be before the turn of 2027 when that comes out.
3:31But I went with ours, the finest bottle in our opinion.
3:35There's no better time to celebrate this single barrel that we made with Woodinville was designed for exactly that.
3:41To gather your friends around, say, this is what I want to share with you.
3:46And I wanted to share this with all of you and the very few lucky of you enough to get one of these bottles.
3:53It is for celebrations and this is a celebration.
3:56So cheers to Woodinville. Remember, we will be having another barrel coming out relatively soon.
4:01We actually had a meeting with Woodinville this week to start hammering out that process.
4:06As always, if you guys have suggestions for what you want, because they said, let's go nuts if we want to.
4:13There's a certain cask finish that you've always wanted.
4:15And we've heard some stories about stuff they're experimenting with, which is insane.
4:20I don't know if I'll ever make it to market, but it's insane shit that they're cooking up right now.
4:26If you guys have suggestions for what you want, now is the time to give them.
4:31Again, that barrel should be soon-ish. I think it's a good time frame for now, though.
4:36I got my nine year. If you guys want to check out Woodinville for yourself and see what they have actually available
4:43at the moment, you can do so at the link in the description below or at the QR code on the screen.
4:50They have such a massive selection of excellent, excellent bourbons and ryes.
4:54We love working with them. And for somebody who has a whiskey wall in his background, this is a very convenient partnership to have.
5:02So thankful for that. With that, Ej, let's talk some football.
5:06This was an excellent team. Arguably the best team in the league last year.
5:10Interestingly enough, though, not the number one in power score.
5:13Oh, but one off. So tough to say that the power score is not representative because they were a fraction of a point off the number one score.
5:22So if we want to split hairs and say two is not where they should have ended up, I'll take issue with that.
5:30This is a very strong team. The power score reflected it.
5:33How strong? 14-3. First in the division. 6-2 at home.
5:368-1 on the road. Absolute warriors away from Lumen.
5:39Last five games, they were 3-2. That tied for the most road wins in the league last year with the Patriots.
5:46Eight wins away from their home stadium. Really impressive work by Mike McDonald and company.
5:51In terms of how that all happened, we use something called bootleg power score.
5:55It is six total numbers. If you follow this series, you know them very well.
6:00If you're new, it is passing EPA per play, rushing EPA per play, defense against the pass and the rush.
6:07Again, using EPA per play. Points scored and points allowed.
6:10We assign their league ranks for those numbers. Add them up.
6:13Divide by six. That gives us a raw score.
6:16And then we simply stack those raw scores. And that's their final bootleg power score.
6:21So the Seahawks, passing EPA per play. Top 10 unit.
6:24Not surprising with JSN and Sam. They were number eight.
6:28Rushing EPA per play. This team was, this was the only Achilles heel of this team.
6:33They were not a very strong rushing team for a lot of the year.
6:37They were 29th in league rank in terms of rushing EPA per play.
6:41As far as the defense against the pass, again, elite.
6:45Top 10 unit. Defense against the rush. Time to get out the gold medal.
6:49They were number one. Not surprising. Mike McDonald preaches this in practice every day.
6:54And the Hawks practiced it on the field. Coming out with the top ranking against the rush defensively.
6:59Points scored 483. This was the third best scoring offense in the league.
7:04We talk about Mike McDonald as a defensive mastermind all the time.
7:07The OC, who is now the head coach of the Raiders, managed to rack up the third most points in the NFL.
7:14In terms of points allowed, run it back. Get that gold medal out again.
7:19They were number one in terms of scoring defense, only allowing 292 points.
7:23That gave them a point differential of plus 191 points.
7:26That was the best point differential in the league.
7:29This was an elite football team. So if you add those six numbers up, you get a raw score of 8.33.
7:36That put them second overall by 0.33 points behind the Rams.
7:39So I think that's pretty darn accurate. No measure is perfect.
7:43No set of statistics is perfect. All of them will have holes.
7:47But in terms of ranking the Rams first and the Seahawks second overall in the league, power score is pretty accurate.
7:54I do find it fascinating that they were 29th in rushing EPA per play while the Chiefs were top 10 in rushing EPA per play.
8:02And then the Chiefs brought in Kenneth Walker from Seattle to fix their run game.
8:06So again, EPA per play specifically with the run game is such a weird metric.
8:11And I've gotten so many messages about how to like wait this for next year so that the waiting can kind of take care of the math fuckery.
8:20Because when I created PowerScore, this is now five years ago?
8:24Five or six. Somewhere around there. Yeah, five or six.
8:27We were trying to come up with a number that we thought would be representative.
8:32And I came up with this set of six numbers.
8:35And I talked to my buddy Arjun Menon and said, hey, like which number should we use?
8:41These are the ones I think we should use.
8:43And we went back and forth a little bit.
8:46He basically said, yeah, you're on the right track.
8:49I think we could tweak this. I think we'd load this up a little bit.
8:54And we talked about waiting at that point. And we did some experiments with waiting before we released it.
9:00And it helps sometimes. But you end up with the same level of inaccuracy.
9:05If you wait one area, you'll clean that up.
9:08But it doesn't clean up another area. And so you always end up with outliers in any data set.
9:14You have a bell curve, right? And what you want is that wide middle to be as accurate as possible.
9:20And with power score, I would say we hit it for about 28 teams a year.
9:2527, 28 teams. There are one to two that are maybe too high.
9:29There are one to two that are too low.
9:32Other than that, it is a very representative metric.
9:35And you can look at that in terms of how they finished, how they played on tape, all the other things that
9:42we talk about in these episodes in depth for over an hour.
9:46That's a pretty accurate measurement. If you're talking about percentage and your hit rate is 28 or 29 out of 32 every
9:53year for five or six years, power scores prove to be a very effective measure of how good teams are at football.
10:00I believe the technical term is outlier and the Seahawks definitely are one of the biggest outliers here because in, you know,
10:07watching the running game up until then, it did feel like pulling teeth sometimes because it felt like nothing, nothing, nothing, everything.
10:14And the everything typically was Kenneth Walker, just do it.
10:18And it worked. But at the same time, there are not only four running games.
10:22No, not even three running games in the NFL that I would say were, but like, I'm not putting them in the
10:29category of Vegas and Houston and all of those truly horrific run games because they still were able to generate explosives.
10:36And so I don't know what we'll have to figure that out for next year.
10:41I will say, yes, it was a weakness. This was definitely a better passing team than a running team, but I felt
10:48like the run game for the explosives generated. Was adequate enough.
10:52And I think the evidence of that is they won the Super Bowl.
10:56I think they were OK. This is a fantastic argument for something we've said year over year on this series, which is you need an elite passing offense.
11:05You cannot get by in the modern NFL without an elite passing offense.
11:09If you're outside the top eight or 10 passing offenses in the league, you're probably not even getting to the dance.
11:16If you do get to the dance, you have to be like a like a crazy, crazy, crazy good run game.
11:22Do it. Correct. And if you do get to the dance, you're probably still going to lose.
11:28You need an elite passing offense to advance in the NFL.
11:31You do not need an elite running offense. And 2025 Seattle.
11:35Perfect example. And that's probably a really good segue to talking about the passing game, because the identity of this offense was
11:42just how do we get JSN one on one?
11:45And they did this in multiple ways. A, by running the ball enough, not effectively.
11:50I'm just talking about enough to make teams really, really lean into cover three against them, especially like spot drop zone cover three against them.
11:58Not necessarily match zone, because when they got into spot drop cover three, that is the defenses facing the Seahawks.
12:04That was when Seattle then really leaned into under center drop back passes that were not play action.
12:10That was one of their ways of like really kind of leading to getting JSN one on one.
12:16And I'll explain how. There's only one team in the NFL that did more under center non play action drop back passes.
12:23And that was the Niners, because Brock Purdy is also really good at it.
12:27And what the Seahawks did was they would do these, I don't want to say quick hitters, but like kind of quick
12:34hitters relative to what other teams do from under center, where they would do like these five step drops from under center.
12:42And linebackers like don't know how to handle that because they're used to the two most common like paces of a play,
12:49I guess you can say, or either a long developing play action shot from under center.
12:54Or if it is something that's going to be hitting like intermediate or underneath, a lot of the times that's coming from gun.
13:01Gun, you'll get like these little bullshit fakes from gun and they're used to this kind of like cadence of the play
13:08where maybe they do like a little baby step up, but not really because if it's gun, they can see the ball fake anyway.
13:16And they know it's not really a run. And so they just like are in their landmark already.
13:22It's really tough to hit that area of the field if they're not stepping up.
13:27And if they are facing an under center drop back pass again, that's a longer developing play.
13:32So they're really biting on the run fake and then they're roboting back and getting to their landmarks.
13:38And when you hit them all of a sudden with an under center non play action drop back.
13:44So it's hitting underneath, but they also stepped up because it's an under center like they don't know how to handle it.
13:51It's like a totally different cadence than they're used to.
13:54And we even saw the Rams like they gave up a couple of first downs from that in the NFC championship game.
14:01I believe it was because they played three times.
14:04I think it was in the championship game where you saw the linebackers like there was no ball fake and they still
14:11stepped up anyway because they're so used to teams just when it's under.
14:15Under center, it's a run. And then you had receivers.
14:18It was AJ Barnard just running wide ass open underneath because the linebackers like, wait, what?
14:23What the fuck is this? Like there's supposed to be a play action here and there just wasn't.
14:29So the Seahawks use these under center non play action drop backs to like soften up these spot drop zone defenses.
14:36And the spot drop zone defenses typically cover three was because they had such a high run rate.
14:42That's what teams played against them to stop the run.
14:45And eventually you got to the point where it's like, OK, we have to play with a safety down the box because
14:52it's a high run rate and we want to stop the run and we need bodies on Kenneth Walker to keep him from just breaking our defense.
15:01But at the same time, we can't do spot drop zone or else Sam's going to shred us with these quick hitters from under center.
15:09So what do we do? I guess we play man.
15:12Oh, shit. JSN's out there like that was the whole structure of the Seahawks offense was run the ball, elicit cover three,
15:19punish cover three, make them play man, break them with JSN against man coverage.
15:23And it worked kind of like, I don't know, every time for nine straight games.
15:28And then they played the Rams and the Rams were very match zone heavy.
15:33They rushed for a lot, didn't blitz a lot because they could get pressure with for very high stunt rate team.
15:40If you listen to yesterday's episode, you remember that.
15:42And the Rams whole thing was like, OK, if we're playing these match zone coverages and we're going to be like kind
15:50of pushing everything over in JSN's direction. Math dictates there's going to be a one on one somewhere else.
15:56Match zones are basically just man coverage, but with zone coverage principles.
15:59So there's going to be a one on one somewhere as long as that one on one isn't with JSN.
16:06We're good because we don't think that they can beat us one on one with their other guys, whether it's Shaheed, Barner, whoever.
16:13And not only were the Rams right about that, but pretty much everybody else was right about that as well.
16:20They were willing to give JSN a million catches as long as it wasn't 20 yards down the field.
16:26And so you saw in a lot of games in the back half of the year, like JSN got a lot of
16:33catches, but he wasn't getting those monstrous, like backbreaking explosives that he did in the first part of the year where teams
16:40were playing him more straight up one on one because they felt like they could.
16:45And then teams realized like, oh, wait, no, we actually can't.
16:48And the Rams, like they did a really good job of just limiting his ability to break the game.
16:54He was going to get his, but he couldn't break the game.
16:58And teams kind of copied that. And I actually have a stat on this.
17:03This comes from NextGenStats. In weeks one through 10, including the bye week.
17:07I don't know why I included the bye week.
17:10I think it was just because that's how I set the filter.
17:14But Darnold had a passer rating of 117.5 against man coverage.
17:17His explosive pass rate was 23.8%, which is absurd.
17:20His yards per attempt was nine and a half.
17:23His EPA per play was a whopping 0.36. Sounds like a small number when we're talking about EPA.
17:29Not a small number. Massive number, actually. Everything there is unbelievable.
17:32But in weeks 11 plus, starting with that first Rams game, his passer rating dropped against man coverage down to 89.3.
17:39That's what? A 20? No. 30 point drop. His explosive pass rate was just 8.8%.
17:44So cut by two thirds, basically. His yards per attempt went down to 6.8.
17:48His EPA per play was actually negative 0.04. And to reiterate, that's because all of the man coverage targets that the Seahawks
17:55had from weeks 11 on, not all of them, but the vast majority of them, were not to JSN because teams weren't giving JSN the one-on-one.
18:04It was Bobo, Shahid, Barner, whoever. However, defenses tried to make them beat them with somebody else.
18:09And it didn't go so well. At least not as well as it did in the first half of the season.
18:16And here's another stat for you. This actually comes from Pro Football Focus.
18:20In the first 10 games of the season, again, that same first sample size, JSN had five of those games where he
18:27had at least 10 receiving snaps in single coverage, one-on-one on an island.
18:31By week 12, after that first Rams game, that set the blueprint for everybody else, JSN only got double-digit snaps of one-on-one
18:39for one game the rest of the year. And it was against the Falcons where he put up 10 catches for 92
18:46yards and two scores in that game. Didn't happen again for the rest of the year.
18:51So I think looking back on the Seahawks passing game, the EPA per play number is more because of the first half
18:58of the year than the second half of the year.
19:01It's not that I'm trying to pick nits, but it's just when we're rolling the entire season together, like the first nine,
19:0810 weeks are really the reason why that number was so high.
19:12But I did find it admirable that they still found a way in the back half of the year when JSN was
19:19not getting those like backbreaking explosive opportunities. They still did make it work a little bit better with the run game down the home stretch.
19:27They made it work a little bit better with the ancillary weapons down the home stretch.
19:32It wasn't as as flashy or clean as the first half of the year.
19:37But again, they won the Super Bowl. So it's not like it was horrible.
19:41But one of the things for this season that they need to figure out is, OK, if teams are going to come
19:48out and do that plan against us from the jump, which is double JSN make us beat you with somebody else, they
19:55do need to have an answer for that because I don't think they can survive 17 games of that compared to last
20:02year, where they kind of just had to make it through the home stretch in the playoffs and figure it out.
20:09Well, the offense is going to look different. That's for sure.
20:13They've got a new offensive coordinator. But there are two things that are pretty interesting to me about what you said there.
20:20And one is this is the NFL version of irony or everything comes in cycles, because when McVay was on an absolute
20:27tear with 11 personnel, Vic Fangio set the blueprint against the Rams that basically broke them out of that offense.
20:33And everybody else went, oh, that's the way we're going to play it.
20:37Well, the Rams turn about being fair play, set the blueprint against the Seahawks and said, hey, if you want to make
20:44sure you don't lose quickly, this is the way to do it.
20:48Limit JSN's explosives. Don't necessarily limit his catches, but do not let him get double digit down the field catches on the
20:55regular or you're going to get run off the field.
20:59The second thing on the flip side of that coin that I find really interesting is Mike McDonald over his two seasons
21:06as head coach of the Seahawks has proved to be elite at being fluid, at switching, at not sticking to his guns.
21:13In his first season, it was earlier on. It was week six and him saying, look, my defensive system's not working because
21:20I don't have the player I need. I need to go get a middle linebacker.
21:25They trade for Ernest Jones and things definitely turn at that point.
21:29And the defense starts becoming the dark side defense that we know.
21:32In the second year, midseason adjustments, this time to the offense.
21:36We always talk about Mike McDonald as a defensive mastermind, but he's the head coach now.
21:41He's in charge of all facets. And he was able to say, look, we've run into a couple of things here.
21:48Our run game is not what it needs to be.
21:51And teams have figured out the Sam Darnold to JSN backbreaker.
21:55Right. Again, our plan was definitely to do these two things, to move it into man to man for JSN.
22:01They're not doing it anymore. They're not giving us that.
22:04And he made adjustments for both. And to your point, they won the Super Bowl.
22:09So great coaches are great adjusters because nothing lasts in the NFL.
22:13Sometimes it doesn't last more than a quarter, four games of a season.
22:17Sometimes it lasts half a season, sometimes less. Great coaches adapt and find a way to overcome.
22:22And McDonald's done it twice in very significant ways.
22:25First year on the defense, second year on the offense.
22:29And the Hawks are the beneficiary is they end up holding the trophy in the second year because he is willing and able to do that.
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25:35Just to give you one more number, because I was curious.
25:39I kind of looked it up. Because I didn't have enough numbers.
25:43Because I didn't have enough numbers. Yards per reception.
25:46Weeks 1 through 11 for JSN. 16 and a half.
25:49Everything after that, 13 flat. Yeah. So that's a almost 25% reduction.
25:53Just to kind of give you an idea of how much teams were focused on.
25:57You can eat. You just can't have the whole meal.
26:01And I don't want to say it worked. Because again, they won the championship.
26:05But it is something that they need to be cognizant of and have a plan for.
26:10Another thing they need to have a plan for.
26:13A, the defense is thinner this year. Top line talent, still excellent.
26:17Like, awesome. But they are thinned out a little bit.
26:20Either through free agency or through injuries. Kind of a little bit of both.
26:25And I worry somewhat about the sustainability through injuries.
26:28It's a long football season. Do they have enough gas in the tank this year compared to last year?
26:34But also, tendency-wise. Something that Mike McDonald did an excellent job of last year was kind of being a force multiplier for his pass rush.
26:42And what I mean by that is they rushed the passer in a very specific way because of the type of talent that they had on their team.
26:51They were not a very good pass rush in terms of just a straight-up four-man rush.
26:56They were an excellent pass rush with a four-man rush that was stunting.
27:00Right? This was a team that was top three in terms of stunt percentage on third down.
27:06They were really good at getting third down sacks.
27:08Overall, if you're looking at the total pressure percentages and everything like that, very good pass rush.
27:14But it was a difference between if it was a four-man rush with no stunts, they were 19th in pressure rate.
27:21If it was a four-man rush with stunts, they were 9th.
27:24That is a massive difference. And I would say that was backed up on tape.
27:29If you just watch a cut-up of their front four getting after it, no stunts, go win a one-on-one.
27:35They weren't exactly great at that. Even though they have very good individual players, just for whatever reason, none of them were really winning one-on-ones.
27:43And they were excellent at winning as a unit, right?
27:46Using those stunts and creating opportunities, increases for each other.
27:50But just a, hey, here's a guard, go beat the guard, they actually weren't that good at that.
27:55Even Leonard Williams, his stunt or his pressure rate on stunts was like 19%.
28:00And then when he played against the Rams, you know, later in the year, who had an excellent pass protection plan for
28:07the Seahawks because they knew that they stunted so much.
28:10By the way, the only team that stunted more than Seattle was the Rams.
28:15So they faced it in practice all the time.
28:18But they had a really good pass protection plan for Seattle in terms of handling those stunts.
28:23And Leonard Williams went from 19% pressure rate on stunts in that game or in every other game to that game being 7%.
28:30Did it 14 times. He got like one pressure on a stunt in that game.
28:35So that's my worry is, okay, if teams are going into this year knowing that they have a huge tell in their
28:42tendencies where if Leonard Williams is lined up wider than a 3 technique, it's a stunt.
28:47If they have a plan for that, like in terms of preparing their offensive line to just block stunts all day and
28:54you have to then just go win with something that isn't a stunt, can you do it?
29:00But I'm not sure they can. And so I kind of worry about that as well.
29:05Like what's Mike McDonald going to do to scheme up pressure if the thing that he did last year to scheme up pressure no longer works?
29:13He's obviously a tremendous coach. I'm sure he has an idea or three.
29:18I just don't know what it is yet. And I'm excited to find out what the solution is.
29:23Yeah, we get to see that over the first few weeks of the season because it is the measure of an elite coach.
29:31Coach, we've seen lots of coaches have what I will call single season success or single large stretch of a season success.
29:38The real mark of a successful coach in the NFL, whether it's a position coach or whether it's a head coach, coordinator,
29:45whatever, we've talked about it before, is continued success.
29:48Can you stay ahead of the curve, right? The hounds are going to come out.
29:53People are going to come up with blueprints to stop it.
29:56But everybody's got film. And sometimes that's going to happen as soon as three or four games into your series.
30:03And you're going to have to figure out, oh, well, I need to shift midseason to do it.
30:08Well, even if you can manage it through a whole season, can you turn it on through two seasons?
30:15Can you turn it on through three? That's the mark of elite coaches in the NFL.
30:20And I believe McDonald is an elite coach in the NFL.
30:23So I, like you, am looking forward to the first, oh, say, month, month and a half of the season to see what's he got in the bag.
30:32I do want to get your thoughts on this.
30:35Again, I brought up lack of depth a couple times.
30:38And that was because we got an excellent patron viewer note.
30:42We actually got a lot of patron viewer notes for Seattle.
30:45I'm reminded every summer series that we have a very large contingent of Seattle fans listening to the show.
30:51And there were so many to pick from. It was actually very difficult.
30:56So I might actually bring up a couple during the show.
30:59But this one specifically comes from Coy Loritson. Coy says, Seahawks fan here.
31:03I'm worried the Hawks are down quite a bit of depth.
31:07Yes, we have a lot of starters returning, but a lot of positions feel really thin, especially at D-line.
31:13Would love if you guys could speak on that and if you think it should be a concern.
31:19So I talked about the pass rush and how they were kind of stunt dependent.
31:24I now want to talk about their lack of depth because Boye is gone.
31:28Now, they did sign back Derek Hall. But if we're looking at the second four on this defensive line, remember the first
31:35four-man rotation is Leonard Williams, Byron Murphy, Jaron Reed is your interior trio.
31:39I guess five, not four. Yeah. And then Demarcus Lawrence and Uchenna Nwosu.
31:44After that, your second five are Dante Fowler and Derek Hall, Mike Morris, Brandon Peely, Riley Mills.
31:49While I like a lot of those players in a vacuum, that's a pretty significant drop-off to me.
31:55Like a really, really significant drop-off. And I worry with some of the players that they have that are older, right?
32:02Tank Lawrence is older. Leonard Williams is older. Reed's been around.
32:05He's year 11. Like there's three guys on their first five that are year 11, year 12, and year 13.
32:11Uchenna's year nine. Like Byron's the only guy who's year three or under.
32:16He's the only guy who's year eight or under.
32:19So if they start getting banged up a little bit, I'm not as comfortable with the drop-off this year as I was last year.
32:26And I'm, you know, Josh Schneider might have to do a little bit of wheeling and dealing mid-season if they start taking on water.
32:34Because while the roster, again, the starting 22 is phenomenal, it does feel like the depth has been chipped away at pretty significantly.
32:41Yeah, I'm going to shine a light on another area of the defense in terms of depth.
32:47Thanks again for the question. It's tremendous. It's safety depth, right?
32:50They're starting Tai Okada and Julian Love. I actually like Tai Okada a lot.
32:55I think Julian Love's been great for them. Nick Imanwari is going to be their, you know, Swiss Army knife, whatever you want to call him.
33:03Insert lock for a particular key. Like he is the fixer on defense for them.
33:08But those are their three safeties. Okada, Love, and Imanwari.
33:11And Imanwari is really more of a nickel, third safety, whatever else.
33:15If they take any injuries to that group, there's literally nobody behind him.
33:19They just signed. They already did. Bud Clark was supposed to be the guy.
33:24And they signed DeAnthony Bell on their practice squad to be able to, you know, come up and give them some insurance.
33:31But Anthony Bell is not moving the needle for me necessarily, especially on this defense.
33:36Again, top tier talent, not worried at all. But it's a long season.
33:40People do get dinged up. And if they take a few key injuries on defense, they are not as deep.
33:46That is what happens. It is the Super Bowl tax for teams, right?
33:50Everybody says you've had success. We want to take those guys from you, right?
33:55Seattle did a tremendous job retaining talent. We'll talk about that in the free agency section.
34:00But by definition, they are not as deep. Specifically on this side of the ball, I worry a little bit less about it on offense.
34:08They brought in a lot more reinforcements, in my opinion, on the offensive line.
34:13Even the receivers, I think, have better depth. But like defensive line, it's really age and safety.
34:18It's just pure numbers. They literally have three safeties.
34:21They play three safety defenses. If one of them goes down, you're rotating in your biggest corner or pulling somebody up off
34:28the practice squad, which, again, is a step down in terms of talent.
34:32So those are the areas I worry about. It's, you know, it's kind of tough because Mike and certainly with his Baltimore
34:39Ravens lineage, they always had next man up and they had a lot of sort of legendary next man up stories of
34:46like, I've never even heard of that guy. Holy crap, he can play.
34:51So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not going to say it's not a worry.
34:57Does receiver worry you at all? Because receiver also worries me like on the surface.
35:02You're like, oh, JSN. Awesome. Sure. What happens if Jackson gets hurt?
35:06I know you could say this about any team if their number one goes down.
35:11Absolutely. When Nico Collins goes down, you're like, is Kayshawn Booty our number one, right?
35:16But Seattle goes from JSN and a whole bunch of really cool complimentary pieces to if JSN goes down.
35:22Oh God, are we starting Rashid Shaheed and Torrey Horton?
35:25And I don't have a problem with that pairing, but I understand that you might.
35:30Well, it's like, okay, great twos and threes. Sure.
35:33Can any of them do the Juwan Jennings thing and be a one when we really need it?
35:38Well, here's the good news. Their new offensive coordinator has experience with injury depleted wide receiver course.
35:44So he knows how to shuffle the pieces around the board and make it look pretty good.
35:49Hence Juwan Jennings. But wide receiver, I think worries me less because I like the players they have in backup a little bit more safety.
35:57Literally, when they play a three safety defense, they don't have anybody in backup.
36:02There is not a safety listed behind those three.
36:05So that by definition is just thin. You just don't have as many bodies there.
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37:43All right. From here on out, it's 2026 talk.
37:46Everything this team has done to try to alleviate some of our early concerns here when it comes to depth and roster building and all that stuff.
37:54First things first, the power structure. A lot of familiar names here, but a couple key new ones, especially when it comes to coordinator.
38:02Yeah. And we're going to focus on those because, again, the names that are still with Seattle, you've heard a lot about
38:09at this point in terms of John Schneider as a GM.
38:13We've talked about a lot on this podcast. We're big fans of his work.
38:17So we're not going to go over that territory again.
38:20Mike McDonald, same thing. Big fan of him as a head coach.
38:24Even as a coordinator, we were big fans of his.
38:27So not going to go back down the Mike Mack thing other than to say is an elite coach.
38:34If you watch Hard Knocks this summer, you probably got some insight into why and how that is.
38:39So not ground we necessarily need to tread over.
38:42Assistant head coach. I do want to give a shout out to Leslie Frazier.
38:4727 seasons as an NFL coach, including a head coaching stint in Minnesota and multiple stops as DC on other teams.
38:53He is the number two on this team. Offensive coordinator, this is where we're going to spend our time.
39:00Brian Fleury comes in from San Francisco. So who and what is Brian Fleury?
39:04Well, he was a quarterback himself, interestingly. He played at Maryland as a walk-on, and then he took a step down to Towson in college.
39:12Foreshadowing. Started with the Bills in 2013 as a quality control coach.
39:16Then he moved to the Browns as an assistant linebacker coach.
39:19An outside linebacker coach. Joined the Niners in 2019 as a defensive quality control coach.
39:24Two steps down from his previous role in Cleveland as a full position coach.
39:29So again, second time in his career, he's taken a major step down for an opportunity.
39:34Swapped to the offensive side of the ball as an offensive quality control guy in 20 and 21.
39:40Always fascinating to me when somebody is a player on offense, starts on the defensive coaching side, has multiple roles on the
39:47defensive coaching side, and then goes up. I'm going to go to offense.
39:51Becomes a tight ends coach for 22 and 24.
39:54And then last year was the run game coordinator and tight end coach for San Francisco.
39:59So a variety of experiences, both as a player and as a coach on the defensive side, which I always think helps
40:06out on the offensive side, because you understand what the mindset is of the unit that you're attacking.
40:12Brian Fleury's gotten rave reviews through early going in OTAs preseason as a guy that's adaptable and sort of not beholden to
40:19concepts that, you know, he came from. I think he's going to mix things in really well.
40:24He's obviously got a lot of pieces to play with.
40:28Again, I feel better about the depth on the offensive side than I do about on the defensive side.
40:34But I'm fascinated to see now that he's got the top spot, right?
40:38He is unquestioned. I'm not going to say he's going to be unilateral in his decisions because I don't think any really
40:45good coaches, but I'm fascinated to see how he forges that identity.
40:49What is it about his program on offense that they're going to hang their hat on that he really wants the Seahawks
40:56to be, to become, to take that next step to chase another championship?
41:00And I think Brian Fleury is going to be the must-see TV for the Seahawks this year for me because he's the
41:07newest part and obviously the one that has the hottest spotlight.
41:11I'm really curious what he does with the run game because he was the run game coordinator in San Francisco and there
41:18were issues with the run game last year. And I don't think it was just because of personnel or just because of coaching.
41:25Like, I think it was kind of a mix of everything.
41:29There wasn't a huge jump in effectiveness in the run game.
41:32In fact, they actually ran the ball less after he stepped away, which I found interesting as far as like schematic changes.
41:39They just kind of leaned more into gap scheme.
41:42They took out the counter and power stuff that wasn't working for them.
41:46There was something about, okay, if we have a guy pinning and another guy pulling, like they just missed their targets a lot.
41:54It felt like teams were having a pretty easy time of just gumming up the works whenever a puller was involved.
42:00So they just kind of stopped doing it. I think their power percentage went down to like 3% in the last month
42:08and a half and into the playoffs. It was 10% before.
42:11So, you know, we're working in the margins here.
42:14But if we just kind of stop doing something entirely and then throw all those carries into just run gap scheme, because
42:21if Kenneth Walker can't get up the middle, he's just going to bounce it outside, get an explosive anyway.
42:27Like it kind of felt like towards the end of the year, they're just like, screw it, Kenneth.
42:33You just do it. And it worked better for them.
42:36But I am really curious what Fleury does because one of two things can happen.
42:41Either A, he can make them be better at running power and counter, which the Niners traditionally have been pretty good at that.
42:48They're not just a wide zone team. They're also really good at power and counter.
42:53So either A, Fleury fixes that, or B, if he doesn't think that they have the guys to fix that, he's just
43:00going to do more of what did work last year, which is, OK, we're going to kind of get away from the
43:07wide zone stuff, lean more into gap scheme, and then trust to Darien to make us right or Charbonnet or whoever is back there.
43:15So these are questions that have yet to be answered.
43:18It's honestly going to be a season-long trend that we have to look at.
43:23Like, what does this run game look like compared to last year?
43:27But if anybody has experience at doing it, it's Ryan Fleury.
43:30Also interested in a possible A.J. Barner ascension as a former tight ends coach who's worked with Kittle and focused on the
43:37tight end as part of the offense in terms of production in a way that the Seahawks haven't.
43:43Again, their players at that position have been good, but it hasn't been the sort of focal point of the offense for a while.
43:51And it might be. And if that happens, I think a lot of people are going to get introduced to Barner very, very quickly.
43:58Defensive coordinator on this team, Aiden Durda. We've talked about him at length on previous Summer Series episodes.
44:04Fascinating journey. If you're not familiar with how he got to where he is, go look it up.
44:10It is one of the coolest journeys to NFL coordinator that I know about.
44:14And the special teams coordinator, very familiar NFL name, Jay Harbaugh.
44:18The other Harbaugh. Harbaugh, yes. The Venn diagram of NFL coaching is 10 to 12 families that all overlap a whole lot.
44:25In terms of position coaches on this team, the senior offensive assistant and offensive line coach is John Benton.
44:3122 years of NFL coaching experience. Want to focus on the other senior offensive assistant.
44:36Yes, they have two. This is a large coaching staff, by the way, who also has the title of running backs coach.
44:43Again, replacing the emptied spot from Kennedy Palomalo. It's Thomas Hammock.
44:47So who's Thomas Hammock? He was the head coach at Northern Illinois University, his alma mater, from 2019 to 2025.
44:53But what's the connection to the staff? Oh, before that, he was the Ravens running backs coach from 14 to 18.
45:00Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah, there it is.
45:03Wide receivers coach again. If you have one of the best wide receivers in the NFL, I'm going to call it the wide receivers coach.
45:11Frisman Jackson. If you watched Hard Knocks, you got to see him talking about the dog and Jake Bobo.
45:17That was a pretty good introduction to Frisman Jackson.
45:20Senior defensive assistant on the staff, Kirk Olavadotti. Long time NFL coach.
45:24Defensive pass game coordinator and defensive backs coach is Carl Scott.
45:27Inside linebackers coach. Another familiar name. Zach Orr. He was Baltimore's DC for the last two years after being a linebackers coach for Baltimore before that.
45:35And the defensive assistant slash defensive backs coach is Nico Thorpe.
45:39Speaking of interesting journeys, it's one of the things we do in this section all the time.
45:44Played for the Chiefs, the Argonauts, the Raiders, the Colts, and the Hawks.
45:49There's the connection. Started off his coaching journey as a coaching intern in 22, and he was a defensive assistant in 23.
45:56Then he moved over to the player engagements and ops side for 24, and now he's back on the coaching side.
46:02So it's interesting when I see players turn into coaches and then take multiple different opportunities, whether it's internships, fellowships, whatever it
46:09is, and then move into different parts of the organization.
46:13If they go to scouting, if they go to ops, if they go to player engagement, then come back to maybe the other side of the ball.
46:21Those are interesting people to me because they don't always end up as coaches.
46:26Sometimes they end up as player personnel guys. Sometimes they end up as assistant GMs because, again, they're just sort of apologists.
46:33They're just taking in the entirety of the sport and figuring out where they fit best.
46:38Nico Thorpe's that name on the Hawks. I think there's very few companies or business structures anymore where you can kind of
46:45start in the mailroom and then work your way up to being a position of importance.
46:50Football teams are one of the last bastions of that.
46:53Every single team has people in the front office or just decision makers in general, whether it's the business side, the football side, the finance side.
47:02And you read their bios and it's like started as an intern in 2014, something like that.
47:07And football teams, if there is one last holdout in American culture that does promote from within and like has lifers that
47:14start at the bottom and end up at the top, it's a lot of NFL teams.
47:20And I always find that as a former NFL intern myself, I always find inspiration in that.
47:25For sure. Moving into free agency, there's a lot of turnover on this team, but it's not just all losses.
47:31So in the losses section, we're going to have an interesting sort of twist in this episode of guys that were quote
47:38unquote losses, but are back and on the practice squad.
47:42Yeah. AJ Finley was a departure and then not a departure.
47:45He's on the practice squad. Jakardia Wright, same thing, back on the practice squad.
47:50Kobe Bryant, not back on the practice squad, currently in the blue tent over in Chicago.
47:55Oh, I guess he wasn't. Now he's in the trainer's room in Chicago recovering from an injury.
48:00The moment the Bears paid him, that sucked. Yeah.
48:03He was going to be a massive, massive player for them this year.
48:07And now he's going to be back. What? November?
48:10I don't know that he's going to be back this year.
48:14In fact, it'll be really interesting to see how the Bears' fortunes are going late in this season.
48:20If he is not recovering, I would advocate for shutting him down because his signing is so important to that secondary.
48:26He was going to get paired with first round rookie Dylan Thienemann.
48:30That to me was an incredibly exciting pairing, a large upgrade for the Bears.
48:35And it's just one of the facts. Last like two weeks.
48:38Just one of the facts of NFL life that we're not going to get to see it.
48:44It sucks because Kobe Bryant was tremendous. If you turn on the All-22 last year for the Hawks, Kobe Bryant was making plays all over the field.
48:52And I mean like far hash across the field, the boundary.
48:56Very few safeties in the NFL had his recognition and range combination.
49:00Made him really, really fun on tape. I thought it was a tremendously underrated signing.
49:05One of the best signings in free agency. They pair that with one of the best first round picks in all of the NFL.
49:12I thought this is a great safety pairing. Going to be so much fun to watch in Chicago.
49:18Okay, yeah. No. Injury. Boyamafe, also a great contributor on this defense.
49:22Maybe didn't turn into the star that we hoped he would have coming out of college, but still turned into a pretty damn solid edge.
49:30He got paid by the Bengals. He was relatively modest $20 million a year.
49:34Sounds like an oxymoron, but if you look at the edge market.
49:38I'll take a modest deal, man. A modest $20 million.
49:42It's like 40% of the top of the edge market.
49:45So I do think that was a good signing by the Bengals because they didn't break the bank.
49:51And you got, again, a solid edge. Is he going to put up 12 sacks for you?
49:56Probably not. But I think you could do worse as a starting edge than Boyamafe.
50:01So good for him. Good for Cincy. Kenneth Walker also got paid big money by the Chiefs.
50:06Was a little bit less than I expected for where the top of the running back market is now with Bijan and Gibbs.
50:14I thought it would be a little bit closer to that.
50:17Not a lot of bit closer, but a little bit closer.
50:21But I do think his injury history probably factored into the price.
50:25He's only about $14.3 million. So roughly, what, two-thirds-ish of the top of the market.
50:29Good deal for them. Reek Wollin, this was criminal.
50:32$12 million, one-year mercenary deal for the Eagles. I think he's going to light it up there.
50:38I think he's going to be awesome. I agree.
50:41There's some players you just can't hang on to in terms of when you're looking at where can we use that money elsewhere.
50:48And we'll get to that in the re-signings of where that $12 million goes.
50:53But Reek Wollin was one of the most divisive players in recent Seattle history in terms of started off great guns as a not-very-heralded draft pick.
51:01If you listened to Bootleg, you were well familiar with him because he lit up the pre-draft process.
51:07We were very high on him. Not surprised at all when he came in and played well as a young player.
51:13Ups and downs through his Seattle tenure certainly turned some fans off.
51:17Some fans said, hey, talent's still there. You should keep him.
51:21Some fans were like, get him out of town.
51:24Eagles become the beneficiary. And I, too, believe that in that secondary, his skills are going to prosper.
51:30And he's going to get a really large contract next year.
51:33I would be surprised if it's anywhere in the neighborhood of $12 million that he signed for this year.
51:39The only reason he took $12 million is because it was one year.
51:43Because he knows next year is going to be huge.
51:47And Howie knows next year is going to be huge.
51:50Howie's like, all right, have fun in 2027. I'll take my comp.
51:54It's not with us. Yeah, I'll take the comp pick.
51:57Yeah. Just come earn your money with us and we'll get you there.
52:01But I think everybody in the room knows, like, I'm going to be gone in 12 months and that's okay.
52:07I think it's a great deal for everybody involved.
52:10As for where they did spend their money in-house, this might be the longest list of retentions and extensions that we've had.
52:17It's very similar to the Broncos list. If you listened to that episode last week and Seattle is John Schneider, very loyal
52:24to players that have supported the organization and made sure these guys got paid.
52:29And it is up and down the board. It's the top of the pay scale and the bottom of the pay scale.
52:36A lot of these guys that are at the bottom of the pay scale are still very important.
52:42They're starters on this team. So I'm just going to run through the names.
52:46Leonard Williams, Devin Witherspoon, Charles Cross, Josh Jones, Jackson Smith and Jigba, Rashid Shaheed, Derek Hall, Josh Jobe.
52:52And then you get to the bottom of the pay scale.
52:56Ty Okada at 1.1. Brandon Peely at 1.7. Brady Russell, who's the starting fullback on this team.
53:01I realize that a lot of people think fullbacks don't matter.
53:052.4. Drake Thomas, starting inside linebacker on this team.
53:08$4 million. And, you know, it goes on. Jake Bobo, who unfortunately is on IR, but was a valuable contributor for several years on this team.
53:162.75. So this is the organization. We talk about confessions of an organization.
53:20We usually talk about that as a negative. This is the confession of the Seahawks organization.
53:25If you do well for us, if you come in, if you get with our program, you become a contributor, you become a member of this team.
53:34We're going to make sure you get yours because you're important to our success.
53:38And there's a kind of very interesting example on this list of exactly that.
53:43Yeah. John Taylor, speaking of patron viewer notes, again, we're going to have multiple in this episode.
53:48This was great from him. John said, That extension seemed like a showing of good faith by the Seahawks, basically saying, We
53:55know you're hurt, but a hurt Charles Cross is still better than Josh Jones, and we need you in the playoffs.
54:02So we're going to take care of you right now so you can focus on ball and not worry about ruining that second contract.
54:10I just want to say, John, I had not considered that before reading your viewer note.
54:15And that's why we do these viewer notes is because you guys give us context on everything.
54:20I thought this was great insight into why he was signed when he did.
54:25Because I remember when that extension came through, I was like, that's odd.
54:29It's like we're in the middle of the season.
54:32Like it was such a weird timing on the surface.
54:35And then when you when you explain it that way, I was like, yeah, that actually that makes perfect sense because you
54:42want if you're trying to go on a playoff run and especially a Super Bowl run, you don't want, you know, looming
54:49contract disputes to be hanging over a player and trying to make them decide whether or not they're going to play.
54:56Like I, a I think that's great insight and be I think that's a great move by the Seahawks.
55:02Just be like, hey, you're our guy. We have you get the fuck on the field.
55:07And he did. And they won the Super Bowl.
55:10Yeah, it was a prescient comment. And it was foreshadowed by the contract that they gave Abe Lucas on the other side.
55:17And when they gave Abe Lucas his contract, we said on bootleg and they're sure like they believe that health has been
55:24a problem, but it's not going to be a problem with that number.
55:29We know you're going to be healthy. We like you as a healthy player on the field and we are going to make you whole financially.
55:37So the timing was fascinating for Charles Cross's prescient comment.
55:40Thank you so much for sending it in. As for where they spent their money outside the building, which wasn't a lot
55:47because they didn't have any left after they spent it on all their own guys.
55:52Dante Fowler, 32 years young already. I still remember when he was drafted like it was yesterday.
55:57It's crazy how long he's been in the league already.
56:01He is coming in to be a rotational edge for them being their new boy at Mafia, I guess you can say, right?
56:08The third edge in the group. Emmanuel Wilson brought in from the Packers to add to the running back room.
56:15Terry and Arnold. We'll see, I guess. Yeah, I think that's a we'll see and we don't know and neither does anybody else.
56:22Let's call it a dart throw by the Seahawks on potential.
56:25I want to talk about Emmanuel Wilson, though, because I don't think this is a dart throw.
56:31I think this was a very purposeful kind of laser focused signing for the Hawks.
56:36And a lot of people might not know Emmanuel Wilson's name or game came from the Packers in 2025 with Green Bay.
56:43He is a between the 20s down eating runner.
56:46412 of his 496 yards came in non red zone runs.
56:49313 of those 412 were after contact. Like this is a guy that's going to power through contact, lean forward, finish first downs.
56:57Almost 74% of his total yards gained were after contact.
57:00That's red zone and non red zone. So with Charbonnet on the PUP, this is a key pickup.
57:06They need Emmanuel Wilson to play well, eat those downs, get those tough yards as they're moving down the field.
57:12And I think he's an ideal candidate to do it.
57:15And they get that for 1.6 million. I thought it was a great signing.
57:20This is the kind of thing that Schneider and his front office hang their hat on is finding players that fill very
57:27particular needs in the way Seattle needs them filled for reasonable contracts.
57:31I thought it was, you know, it's tough to call it a master stroke because it doesn't matter quite that much.
57:37But when you put the sort of sum of parts together of all these small moves, it is the envy of the
57:44league and what I'm going to say in terms of looking at Seattle's front office.
57:49I mean, a home run can only be a grand slam.
57:53You've got a bunch of singles ahead of it, right?
57:56So if you just get a bunch of singles, eventually the one move that really matters most is going to be amplified
58:03by just great savvy signings like that. So I think Schneider's always been tremendous at that.
58:08I keep saying tremendous. I'm stealing the EJ-isms over here.
58:11Sure. I got to blow up my vocabulary a little bit.
58:15You need to add absolutely before tremendous and then that's a dead shot right there.
58:20It's like, what's a synonym for tremendous? I'm just going to have a note on my monitor next time we record.
58:27It's like, say anything else, Brett. Let's get to the draft, shall we?
58:31Because I think a mark of a good team is when you have eight picks and three of them are going to
58:38be on your active roster for week one for a couple different reasons, right?
58:42Unfortunately, Bud Clark got injured, but they had four picks.
58:46So half of their draft class is not on the active roster.
58:49It's on the practice squad. Yeah. And again, tough team to make.
58:53We talked about this with Denver. I know I referenced that episode earlier, but they're a very solid roster.
58:59It's tough to make that roster. So whether you are a lower round draft pick or a UDFA, it's going to be
59:06difficult to end up on the 53 because you're talking about the Super Bowl winning roster.
59:12So they start off first round, last pick, 32.
59:14Jadarian Price, the running back from Notre Dame. I really liked Jadarian Price.
59:19He was in the shadow of Jeremiah Love in college.
59:22Jeremiah Love, tremendous playmaker. Again, top five choice in this last draft and gets all the highlights.
59:27But Jadarian Price did a lot of dirty work for Notre Dame and had explosives.
59:32It's not just that he is like Emmanuel Wilson in a down eating runner.
59:37He was literally my RB2 and the only running back I had in my second tier.
59:42Love was alone in the first tier. Jadarian Price was alone in the second tier.
59:47I think he's going to take over the mantle of RB1 on this team fairly quickly and rightfully so.
59:53He has that kind of skill and well-rounded ability.
59:56Very solid runner, but he has explosion. Good patience.
59:58I really like the pick, and I'm kind of happy that it was down at 32 because nobody was like, oh, you
60:06picked a running back in the first round. That's a waste because you're down at 32.
60:11You're trying to fill the biggest hole you can.
60:14And I think the Hawks kind of had an excellent marriage of doing both of those things with this pick.
60:20Well, also you get the fifth year option, right?
60:23So if he's good enough to extend, then you're going to get that extra year of contract runway so it doesn't hurt you so bad.
60:31But when they took him, to me that was, it kind of was an indictment on the running back class, if I'm being honest.
60:39That was their way of saying, okay, Kenneth Walker's gone.
60:42Zach's coming off a major injury. There's nothing else here for us.
60:46Like if we're going to get a one, this is the only way we're going to get a one.
60:52That doesn't cost us $14.5 million a year, which would have been just paying K-Walk.
60:57And Jadarian Price was it, right? And there are running backs in this class that we like as twos and threes.
61:03There were two number ones in this entire class.
61:06One of them went third overall. And Jadarian was the only other one available.
61:11I thought it was a great pick. I thought it was a necessary pick.
61:15This is an offense that absolutely would have felt it if their running game went off a cliff.
61:21It might look like their running game went off a cliff last year because they were 29th in EPA per play.
61:28I promise you that is not what the 29th run game looks like.
61:32If you really want to see what the 29th ranked run game is, go into a season without having anything at the
61:39running back position and some of the blocking issues you had last year.
61:43Because Kenneth Walker was able to make it work and still get explosives and still make the ground game a factor.
61:50That's the reason why teams played so much one high against them to begin with.
61:55If they weren't at least a little bit worried about the run game, they wouldn't have played so much cover three.
62:02But if they went into this season with no real threat at running back, we would have seen what an actual terrible run game looks like.
62:10It would have looked like the Chiefs last year.
62:13Which, by the way, that's why they paid Kenneth Walker.
62:16Yeah. Because they know what it's like to have a shitty run game.
62:20And they were 10th in EPA per play. So just disregard the stats.
62:24Use your eyes on this one. You would not have wanted to live in the alternate universe where they didn't take Jadarian Price there.
62:32Yeah, the offensive line is going to love blocking for him, too.
62:36He is that kind of aggressive, tough, get every possible yard runner that, you know, the linemen come back to the huddle
62:43and they're like, man, if he's working that hard, we got to work twice as hard.
62:48I think he's going to inspire that in the Hawks and the offense this year.
62:53Second round, pick 64. You mentioned it. Bud Clark, the safety out of TCU.
62:57A lot of people were very excited about him.
63:00He was yet another exciting, young, hard-hitting playmaker in this secondary that we all thought, like, Mac's going to make this kid into a star.
63:08And he probably still will, but we won't get to see it this year.
63:13He is on IR, unfortunately. It's a rough injury.
63:16It happens all around the league. Doesn't make it any easier, but we're not going to get to see Bud Clark play football this year.
63:24In the third round, pick 99. Julian Neal, a cornerback out of Arkansas who I really liked.
63:29He's tall. He's got really good size. He is long, linear, fast, played in the SEC.
63:34Not a lot of people were super high on him.
63:38And I remember reaching out to you specifically in the pre-draft process.
63:41I was like, have you gotten a Julian Neal yet?
63:45And you're like, I haven't. And then you did.
63:48And you're like, I don't know. I think he's all right.
63:51And I was like, man, if he goes to the right place, he's going to be able to leverage all those physical gifts.
63:59I think they're there. It's the classic scouting question of can't do it or wasn't asked to do it.
64:05And I think in Arkansas's defense, he necessarily wasn't asked to do some of the things he's going to be able to do.
64:12I would be unsurprised if Julian Neal blossoms in this defense in year two or year three.
64:17We see it all the time with guys with his build, his physical skills.
64:22I thought this was a great choice. A lot of people were surprised he went top 100.
64:27I thought this was appropriate value and one of the best landing spots in the NFL for him.
64:33I think the hope is that he's the new Rick Wallen, right?
64:37Big, long press corner. Just park him on the X, go to war.
64:41Like we can figure out everything else, but just we will pivot around that.
64:46And they have a whole bunch of other kind of multi-tools on this defense, right?
64:51They got Eamon Worry. They got Spoon. You can do anything with those guys.
64:55With Neal, it's very similar to Rick where it's like you're doing one thing for us.
65:00You're doing it really, really well, but you're doing one thing for us.
65:04You're boxing against a receiver that's on a line of scrimmage.
65:08Go do your job. I think he can do that.
65:11Now, will he do it as well as Rick did when Rick was at his best?
65:16It's kind of a high bar to clear, but if he can just be startable, I think that's a win.
65:23Good value at 99 if you can get a starting outside corner, even if it's in year two or year three.
65:29They didn't have a fourth rounder, so we go fairly deep into day three, fifth round, 148.
65:35They get Bo Stephens, the guard out of Iowa.
65:38Early returns are really good for Bo Stephens. His second preseason game was not a word I use for preseason games a lot.
65:45It was dominant. It was an excellent performance. Brandon Thorne, our buddy who studies offensive line, called it out specifically.
65:52I talked to him about it afterwards, and he said that was pretty definitive in terms of this guy's got the goods.
65:59Brandon wasn't the only one. Mike Mack, who is not particularly big on gassing up rookies, had words about Bo Stephens that
66:06were incredibly positive, including I think he's going to have a very long and successful career in the NFL after that game.
66:13So this looks like an early hit for the Hawks.
66:16The next four, a sixth rounder and three seventh rounders, ended up on the practice squad.
66:21You're trying to crack one of the toughest rosters in the league in terms of talent.
66:26So round six, pick 199, Emmanuel Henderson Jr., the wide receiver out of Kansas.
66:31Then we drop into the seventh round. We got a 236, 242, and 255.
66:35It was Andre Fuller, the cornerback from Toledo, Devin Eastern, the DT from Minnesota, and Michael Dansby, the corner from Arizona.
66:42Again, all those guys went through rookie minicamp, OTAs, preseason, ended up not making the 53, but are with the team on
66:49the practice squad, so will be able to continually develop throughout the season.
66:53They also had one of their UDFAs make the practice squad as well, Aiden Hubbard.
66:58One of the things that fascinates me about this team is there was a different UDFA corner from Toledo that the Seahawks
67:05didn't draft, but that one made their final roster because they traded for them, but the actual Toledo corner that they did draft made the practice squad.
67:14So that was odd, but hey, at least John Schneider is like, hey, no stone unturned.
67:19We're going to do what we can to make this team better, even if it's starting somebody else's UDFA or keeping somebody
67:26else's UDFA on our roster over the guy we just drafted, and they were teammates at Toledo.
67:32It's a weird situation. I've never seen that before, but I can't blame them for just trying to make the team as
67:39good as possible going into the season. Yeah, fun thing to try and keep straight, but it also speaks to the gravity of scouting.
67:46So one of the top defensive backs in this particular draft class was Emmanuel McNeil-Warren, who's now a Brown.
67:52When you're watching Emmanuel McNeil-Warren tape, you're also watching the corners.
67:56His teammates at Toledo and both of them end up in the league, one on a 53, one on a practice squad.
68:03Both happen to be with the Seahawks. It's funny how the league turns around sometimes.
68:08That brings us to our last segment here of the 2026 Bootleg Summer Series.
68:12Ceiling and floor for the team that just won the Super Bowl.
68:16I will say, realistically speaking, the ceiling is them going back-to-back.
68:20It's absolutely possible the team is good enough, the coaching staff is good enough.
68:24They are thinner. I think the margin for error is smaller than last year.
68:29Not that the margin for error is ever big in the NFL.
68:33But I do think that they have the talent and they have the coaching and they have the quarterback.
68:39We didn't even really talk about Sam Darnold today.
68:42They have all of the necessary ingredients to go back-to-back.
68:45And that is rare error in NFL history. Not just to win the Super Bowl, but to win two in a row.
68:52It is incredibly hard to accomplish. I think this team is capable of doing it.
68:57The hard part is they have a team that is just as good in their own division that they're going to be
69:04fighting, not just for the division crown, but for the one seed.
69:08And it's very possible that they could be a team that wins 14 games, which is my ceiling.
69:13They could win 14 games and still be a five seed.
69:17If the Rams are as good as we think, and I do think Seattle and the Rams are going to split.
69:24So that's one loss for each of them right there.
69:27If the Rams are as good as we think, and they're like a 15 win team, or even if the Rams are
69:34a 14 win team and the Seahawks win 13, which is a great season.
69:38They could still be a 13 win five seed.
69:41Like that is how ridiculous the NFC West is.
69:44It's unfortunate. I mean, it's great for us. Like I'm a third party viewer, so I'm going to be glued to this division all year long.
69:53But for Seahawks fans in particular, it's going to be a nerve wracking season because you're going to be in the fight
70:00of your lives every single week just to win the division.
70:03And you're one of the Super Bowl favorites. It's it's just tough.
70:07But my floor is 10. I short of Sam Donald getting injured.
70:11I don't think this team is going to win.
70:14Less than 10 games. I find that inconscionable with McDonald, the coach with the quarterback they have, you know, with the reigning offensive player of the year.
70:22With a great defense. I can't see this team winning nine games with without a significant injury to Donald.
70:29So their range is somewhere between wild card and the best team in the NFL.
70:33They're probably closer to the best team in the NFL than they are a seven seed.
70:39So expectations are high. Right. And, you know, something I would be curious to hear from Hawks fans in the comments is.
70:46Do you consider this season of failure if they don't repeat?
70:49Because that's that's a very high bar to clear.
70:52But do you think that they have to clear it for this season to be considered successful?
70:58I I'd be curious to get your thoughts. Yeah.
71:00The challenge is immense to repeat in the NFL.
71:03There is so much luck involved in terms of injury schedule, weather, you name it.
71:08I'm a game higher than you on both the ceiling and the floor and wind ceiling 15.
71:14I think it's achievable. The division is absolute hell.
71:16Like there are two other teams in this division that are going to make it very, very rough to even split with.
71:24And you're going to have to to get to a 15 wind ceiling.
71:28That's that is the maximum number of your losses if you split with both of those teams.
71:33Unfortunately, they're very powerful in your division. But if you want to play the best, if you want to win, you have to beat the best.
71:42And I don't think Mike Mack or the Seahawks shy away from that.
71:46My wind floor is 11. Same reason. Everybody's bringing their A game to try and knock off the champs.
71:52Injuries at safety or defensive line, put defensive depth in a bind.
71:56Even if that happens, we're still talking about a double digit win team.
72:00I'm saying 11 because I just can't see this coaching staff and Schneider's roster not coming up with double digit wins, even
72:07in that division, which is absolute warfare. So look, McDonald's a hell of a coach.
72:12The roster's loaded. If they stay healthy, they have every chance to be, again, one of the very best teams in the NFL.
72:19Then get to the tournament and see what happens because that's the way it is every year.
72:25I'm fascinated by your question to Hawks fans, though, and I'm going to see a bunch of them on Tuesday night up
72:32in Seattle at a sort of kickoff event for the season.
72:35And I'm going to ask them, like, if they don't get the crown again, which is very tough to do.
72:42It's not impossible. If they don't, what will you feel about this Hawks season?
72:46And I think back to Hawks teams of just a few years ago when everybody was just screaming every week, why can't you just be normal?
72:54And now we're talking about if you don't win the Super Bowl, it's a failure.
72:59The worm turns pretty quick. You got to keep up.
73:03It's not that dissimilar to a decade ago when, you know, peak Legion of Boom, that's that was kind of the prevailing sentiment.
73:10Like, if you don't win it, you're a failure.
73:13And then that team evaporated quicker than we thought it would.
73:16And Hawks fans were like, man, we made it better than we thought, huh?
73:21Yeah. The expectation was to win it all every year.
73:24Yeah. Now we have to wander. It's like now we have to wander in the wilderness.
73:29This is not cool. This actually sucks. What the hell?
73:32Now you're back, Hawks fans. So it is a reason to celebrate.
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