0:00The Pacific Northwest is home to a wide range of apex predators.
0:04Orcas, bears, cougars, and eagles all ply their trades at the top of the food chain.
0:09Last season, another beast was added to their ranks.
0:12The dark side defense. Terrifyingly fast, aggressive, and always hungry, Seattle's defense ran down opponents like prey, crushing their hopes in the process.
0:19Only a precious few were able to escape with victory.
0:22This round of Seahawks success began with EJ Snyder's legendary run in the NFL draft, starting in 2022.
0:28That talent was weaponized by Mike McDonald and his staff over the past two seasons.
0:33And in the end, those players delivered the Emerald City its second NFL title.
0:38Now, comes one of the toughest jobs in sports.
0:40Trying to create back-to-back climbs to the NFL mountaintop.
0:43It's the final day of the Bootleg Summer Series and we're going out with a bang.
0:49We're here to tell you how the Hawks did it and what they'll need to do to do it again.
0:55Welcome to Bootleg. And welcome to the regular season.
0:58Welcome to the Bootleg Football Podcast. I'm Brett Coleman.
1:01That's EJ Snyder. Ladies and gentlemen, we made it.
1:04Team 32 out of 32. This is going live roughly hours before the NFL season kicks off.
1:09Of course, with the Seahawks and the Patriots. And so we are barely making it this year, but we are making it.
1:16This is it. This is the last episode of the Summer Series.
1:20The next time you see us, we're going to be recapping what happened this weekend.
1:25So this is partially a pregame show for you.
1:28Partially a 2025 recap. Partially a 2026 offseason analysis.
1:31But most of all, just a celebration. EJ, another year.
1:34Another Summer Series in the can. Wouldn't rather do it with anybody else.
1:38Well, I appreciate that. It is a labor of love for us and for all of you.
1:43It gets us ready for the season, so it's self-serving in that way.
1:48But really, it is about trying to deliver a product to all of you that you find worthwhile and that enriches your
1:55football experience however you take that in. So we couldn't be happier that you joined us for this one or maybe all
2:0232 for that rare breed that decides they want to burn their summer just like ours.
2:07We appreciate all of you, no matter how you consume this stuff.
2:11But today it is. We didn't necessarily do this to end up with the Seahawks.
2:16That wasn't the point. We do this geographically and by division.
2:19And the Seahawks are the final team in our long, long journey.
2:23And it is a fantastic way to end a fantastic series.
2:27This was a great team. They're a lot of fun to talk about.
2:31They're my most geographically adjacent team. So I get to see a lot of them.
2:36You know, we've covered them a lot. We covered them in our best draft classes for the past few years.
2:42We did a wrap up, certainly, of their Super Bowl win.
2:45And they've achieved the highest heights in the sport.
2:48Now what do you do? And we're going to focus quite a bit of today's show on that.
2:54And of course, with it being a Seattle show, this is literally the most apt time to be drinking our partner whiskey,
3:01Woodinville Whiskey, which is right up near Seattle. See, Woodinville is what, like 45 minutes?
3:06Well, it depends on traffic. But just an hour and a half.
3:10Just across the lake, yeah. This is the Woodinville nine year specifically, which to me is the second finest bottle they've ever produced.
3:17The finest bottle being, of course, our barrel pick with them.
3:21But it is absolutely fantastic. I believe they're almost coming out with a 10 year.
3:26It's about time. I believe that will be before the turn of 2027 when that comes out.
3:31But I went with ours, the finest bottle in our opinion.
3:35There's no better time to celebrate this single barrel that we made with Woodinville was designed for exactly that.
3:41To gather your friends around, say, this is what I want to share with you.
3:46And I wanted to share this with all of you and the very few lucky of you enough to get one of these bottles.
3:53It is for celebrations and this is a celebration.
3:56So cheers to Woodinville. Remember, we will be having another barrel coming out relatively soon.
4:01We actually had a meeting with Woodinville this week to start hammering out that process.
4:06As always, if you guys have suggestions for what you want, because they said, let's go nuts if we want to.
4:13There's a certain cask finish that you've always wanted.
4:15And we've heard some stories about stuff they're experimenting with, which is insane.
4:20I don't know if I'll ever make it to market, but it's insane shit that they're cooking up right now.
4:26If you guys have suggestions for what you want, now is the time to give them.
4:31Again, that barrel should be soon-ish. I think it's a good time frame for now, though.
4:36I got my nine year. If you guys want to check out Woodinville for yourself and see what they have actually available
4:43at the moment, you can do so at the link in the description below or at the QR code on the screen.
4:50They have such a massive selection of excellent, excellent bourbons and ryes.
4:54We love working with them. And for somebody who has a whiskey wall in his background, this is a very convenient partnership to have.
5:02So thankful for that. With that, Ej, let's talk some football.
5:06This was an excellent team. Arguably the best team in the league last year.
5:10Interestingly enough, though, not the number one in power score.
5:13Oh, but one off. So tough to say that the power score is not representative because they were a fraction of a point off the number one score.
5:22So if we want to split hairs and say two is not where they should have ended up, I'll take issue with that.
5:30This is a very strong team. The power score reflected it.
5:33How strong? 14-3. First in the division. 6-2 at home.
5:368-1 on the road. Absolute warriors away from Lumen.
5:39Last five games, they were 3-2. That tied for the most road wins in the league last year with the Patriots.
5:46Eight wins away from their home stadium. Really impressive work by Mike McDonald and company.
5:51In terms of how that all happened, we use something called bootleg power score.
5:55It is six total numbers. If you follow this series, you know them very well.
6:00If you're new, it is passing EPA per play, rushing EPA per play, defense against the pass and the rush.
6:07Again, using EPA per play. Points scored and points allowed.
6:10We assign their league ranks for those numbers. Add them up.
6:13Divide by six. That gives us a raw score.
6:16And then we simply stack those raw scores. And that's their final bootleg power score.
6:21So the Seahawks, passing EPA per play. Top 10 unit.
6:24Not surprising with JSN and Sam. They were number eight.
6:28Rushing EPA per play. This team was, this was the only Achilles heel of this team.
6:33They were not a very strong rushing team for a lot of the year.
6:37They were 29th in league rank in terms of rushing EPA per play.
6:41As far as the defense against the pass, again, elite.
6:45Top 10 unit. Defense against the rush. Time to get out the gold medal.
6:49They were number one. Not surprising. Mike McDonald preaches this in practice every day.
6:54And the Hawks practiced it on the field. Coming out with the top ranking against the rush defensively.
6:59Points scored 483. This was the third best scoring offense in the league.
7:04We talk about Mike McDonald as a defensive mastermind all the time.
7:07The OC, who is now the head coach of the Raiders, managed to rack up the third most points in the NFL.
7:14In terms of points allowed, run it back. Get that gold medal out again.
7:19They were number one in terms of scoring defense, only allowing 292 points.
7:23That gave them a point differential of plus 191 points.
7:26That was the best point differential in the league.
7:29This was an elite football team. So if you add those six numbers up, you get a raw score of 8.33.
7:36That put them second overall by 0.33 points behind the Rams.
7:39So I think that's pretty darn accurate. No measure is perfect.
7:43No set of statistics is perfect. All of them will have holes.
7:47But in terms of ranking the Rams first and the Seahawks second overall in the league, power score is pretty accurate.
7:54I do find it fascinating that they were 29th in rushing EPA per play while the Chiefs were top 10 in rushing EPA per play.
8:02And then the Chiefs brought in Kenneth Walker from Seattle to fix their run game.
8:06So again, EPA per play specifically with the run game is such a weird metric.
8:11And I've gotten so many messages about how to like wait this for next year so that the waiting can kind of take care of the math fuckery.
8:20Because when I created PowerScore, this is now five years ago?
8:24Five or six. Somewhere around there. Yeah, five or six.
8:27We were trying to come up with a number that we thought would be representative.
8:32And I came up with this set of six numbers.
8:35And I talked to my buddy Arjun Menon and said, hey, like which number should we use?
8:41These are the ones I think we should use.
8:43And we went back and forth a little bit.
8:46He basically said, yeah, you're on the right track.
8:49I think we could tweak this. I think we'd load this up a little bit.
8:54And we talked about waiting at that point. And we did some experiments with waiting before we released it.
9:00And it helps sometimes. But you end up with the same level of inaccuracy.
9:05If you wait one area, you'll clean that up.
9:08But it doesn't clean up another area. And so you always end up with outliers in any data set.
9:14You have a bell curve, right? And what you want is that wide middle to be as accurate as possible.
9:20And with power score, I would say we hit it for about 28 teams a year.
9:2527, 28 teams. There are one to two that are maybe too high.
9:29There are one to two that are too low.
9:32Other than that, it is a very representative metric.
9:35And you can look at that in terms of how they finished, how they played on tape, all the other things that
9:42we talk about in these episodes in depth for over an hour.
9:46That's a pretty accurate measurement. If you're talking about percentage and your hit rate is 28 or 29 out of 32 every
9:53year for five or six years, power scores prove to be a very effective measure of how good teams are at football.
10:00I believe the technical term is outlier and the Seahawks definitely are one of the biggest outliers here because in, you know,
10:07watching the running game up until then, it did feel like pulling teeth sometimes because it felt like nothing, nothing, nothing, everything.
10:14And the everything typically was Kenneth Walker, just do it.
10:18And it worked. But at the same time, there are not only four running games.
10:22No, not even three running games in the NFL that I would say were, but like, I'm not putting them in the
10:29category of Vegas and Houston and all of those truly horrific run games because they still were able to generate explosives.
10:36And so I don't know what we'll have to figure that out for next year.
10:41I will say, yes, it was a weakness. This was definitely a better passing team than a running team, but I felt
10:48like the run game for the explosives generated. Was adequate enough.
10:52And I think the evidence of that is they won the Super Bowl.
10:56I think they were OK. This is a fantastic argument for something we've said year over year on this series, which is you need an elite passing offense.
11:05You cannot get by in the modern NFL without an elite passing offense.
11:09If you're outside the top eight or 10 passing offenses in the league, you're probably not even getting to the dance.
11:16If you do get to the dance, you have to be like a like a crazy, crazy, crazy good run game.
11:22Do it. Correct. And if you do get to the dance, you're probably still going to lose.
11:28You need an elite passing offense to advance in the NFL.
11:31You do not need an elite running offense. And 2025 Seattle.
11:35Perfect example. And that's probably a really good segue to talking about the passing game, because the identity of this offense was
11:42just how do we get JSN one on one?
11:45And they did this in multiple ways. A, by running the ball enough, not effectively.
11:50I'm just talking about enough to make teams really, really lean into cover three against them, especially like spot drop zone cover three against them.
11:58Not necessarily match zone, because when they got into spot drop cover three, that is the defenses facing the Seahawks.
12:04That was when Seattle then really leaned into under center drop back passes that were not play action.
12:10That was one of their ways of like really kind of leading to getting JSN one on one.
12:16And I'll explain how. There's only one team in the NFL that did more under center non play action drop back passes.
12:23And that was the Niners, because Brock Purdy is also really good at it.
12:27And what the Seahawks did was they would do these, I don't want to say quick hitters, but like kind of quick
12:34hitters relative to what other teams do from under center, where they would do like these five step drops from under center.
12:42And linebackers like don't know how to handle that because they're used to the two most common like paces of a play,
12:49I guess you can say, or either a long developing play action shot from under center.
12:54Or if it is something that's going to be hitting like intermediate or underneath, a lot of the times that's coming from gun.
13:01Gun, you'll get like these little bullshit fakes from gun and they're used to this kind of like cadence of the play
13:08where maybe they do like a little baby step up, but not really because if it's gun, they can see the ball fake anyway.
13:16And they know it's not really a run. And so they just like are in their landmark already.
13:22It's really tough to hit that area of the field if they're not stepping up.
13:27And if they are facing an under center drop back pass again, that's a longer developing play.
13:32So they're really biting on the run fake and then they're roboting back and getting to their landmarks.
13:38And when you hit them all of a sudden with an under center non play action drop back.
13:44So it's hitting underneath, but they also stepped up because it's an under center like they don't know how to handle it.
13:51It's like a totally different cadence than they're used to.
13:54And we even saw the Rams like they gave up a couple of first downs from that in the NFC championship game.
14:01I believe it was because they played three times.
14:04I think it was in the championship game where you saw the linebackers like there was no ball fake and they still
14:11stepped up anyway because they're so used to teams just when it's under.
14:15Under center, it's a run. And then you had receivers.
14:18It was AJ Barnard just running wide ass open underneath because the linebackers like, wait, what?
14:23What the fuck is this? Like there's supposed to be a play action here and there just wasn't.
14:29So the Seahawks use these under center non play action drop backs to like soften up these spot drop zone defenses.
14:36And the spot drop zone defenses typically cover three was because they had such a high run rate.
14:42That's what teams played against them to stop the run.
14:45And eventually you got to the point where it's like, OK, we have to play with a safety down the box because
14:52it's a high run rate and we want to stop the run and we need bodies on Kenneth Walker to keep him from just breaking our defense.
15:01But at the same time, we can't do spot drop zone or else Sam's going to shred us with these quick hitters from under center.
15:09So what do we do? I guess we play man.
15:12Oh, shit. JSN's out there like that was the whole structure of the Seahawks offense was run the ball, elicit cover three,
15:19punish cover three, make them play man, break them with JSN against man coverage.
15:23And it worked kind of like, I don't know, every time for nine straight games.
15:28And then they played the Rams and the Rams were very match zone heavy.
15:33They rushed for a lot, didn't blitz a lot because they could get pressure with for very high stunt rate team.
15:40If you listen to yesterday's episode, you remember that.
15:42And the Rams whole thing was like, OK, if we're playing these match zone coverages and we're going to be like kind
15:50of pushing everything over in JSN's direction. Math dictates there's going to be a one on one somewhere else.
15:56Match zones are basically just man coverage, but with zone coverage principles.
15:59So there's going to be a one on one somewhere as long as that one on one isn't with JSN.
16:06We're good because we don't think that they can beat us one on one with their other guys, whether it's Shaheed, Barner, whoever.
16:13And not only were the Rams right about that, but pretty much everybody else was right about that as well.
16:20They were willing to give JSN a million catches as long as it wasn't 20 yards down the field.
16:26And so you saw in a lot of games in the back half of the year, like JSN got a lot of
16:33catches, but he wasn't getting those monstrous, like backbreaking explosives that he did in the first part of the year where teams
16:40were playing him more straight up one on one because they felt like they could.
16:45And then teams realized like, oh, wait, no, we actually can't.
16:48And the Rams, like they did a really good job of just limiting his ability to break the game.
16:54He was going to get his, but he couldn't break the game.
16:58And teams kind of copied that. And I actually have a stat on this.
17:03This comes from NextGenStats. In weeks one through 10, including the bye week.
17:07I don't know why I included the bye week.
17:10I think it was just because that's how I set the filter.
17:14But Darnold had a passer rating of 117.5 against man coverage.
17:17His explosive pass rate was 23.8%, which is absurd.
17:20His yards per attempt was nine and a half.
17:23His EPA per play was a whopping 0.36. Sounds like a small number when we're talking about EPA.
17:29Not a small number. Massive number, actually. Everything there is unbelievable.
17:32But in weeks 11 plus, starting with that first Rams game, his passer rating dropped against man coverage down to 89.3.
17:39That's what? A 20? No. 30 point drop. His explosive pass rate was just 8.8%.
17:44So cut by two thirds, basically. His yards per attempt went down to 6.8.
17:48His EPA per play was actually negative 0.04. And to reiterate, that's because all of the man coverage targets that the Seahawks
17:55had from weeks 11 on, not all of them, but the vast majority of them, were not to JSN because teams weren't giving JSN the one-on-one.
18:04It was Bobo, Shahid, Barner, whoever. However, defenses tried to make them beat them with somebody else.
18:09And it didn't go so well. At least not as well as it did in the first half of the season.
18:16And here's another stat for you. This actually comes from Pro Football Focus.
18:20In the first 10 games of the season, again, that same first sample size, JSN had five of those games where he
18:27had at least 10 receiving snaps in single coverage, one-on-one on an island.
18:31By week 12, after that first Rams game, that set the blueprint for everybody else, JSN only got double-digit snaps of one-on-one
18:39for one game the rest of the year. And it was against the Falcons where he put up 10 catches for 92
18:46yards and two scores in that game. Didn't happen again for the rest of the year.
18:51So I think looking back on the Seahawks passing game, the EPA per play number is more because of the first half
18:58of the year than the second half of the year.
19:01It's not that I'm trying to pick nits, but it's just when we're rolling the entire season together, like the first nine,
19:0810 weeks are really the reason why that number was so high.
19:12But I did find it admirable that they still found a way in the back half of the year when JSN was
19:19not getting those like backbreaking explosive opportunities. They still did make it work a little bit better with the run game down the home stretch.
19:27They made it work a little bit better with the ancillary weapons down the home stretch.
19:32It wasn't as as flashy or clean as the first half of the year.
19:37But again, they won the Super Bowl. So it's not like it was horrible.
19:41But one of the things for this season that they need to figure out is, OK, if teams are going to come
19:48out and do that plan against us from the jump, which is double JSN make us beat you with somebody else, they
19:55do need to have an answer for that because I don't think they can survive 17 games of that compared to last
20:02year, where they kind of just had to make it through the home stretch in the playoffs and figure it out.
20:09Well, the offense is going to look different. That's for sure.
20:13They've got a new offensive coordinator. But there are two things that are pretty interesting to me about what you said there.
20:20And one is this is the NFL version of irony or everything comes in cycles, because when McVay was on an absolute
20:27tear with 11 personnel, Vic Fangio set the blueprint against the Rams that basically broke them out of that offense.
20:33And everybody else went, oh, that's the way we're going to play it.
20:37Well, the Rams turn about being fair play, set the blueprint against the Seahawks and said, hey, if you want to make
20:44sure you don't lose quickly, this is the way to do it.
20:48Limit JSN's explosives. Don't necessarily limit his catches, but do not let him get double digit down the field catches on the
20:55regular or you're going to get run off the field.
20:59The second thing on the flip side of that coin that I find really interesting is Mike McDonald over his two seasons
21:06as head coach of the Seahawks has proved to be elite at being fluid, at switching, at not sticking to his guns.
21:13In his first season, it was earlier on. It was week six and him saying, look, my defensive system's not working because
21:20I don't have the player I need. I need to go get a middle linebacker.
21:25They trade for Ernest Jones and things definitely turn at that point.
21:29And the defense starts becoming the dark side defense that we know.
21:32In the second year, midseason adjustments, this time to the offense.
21:36We always talk about Mike McDonald as a defensive mastermind, but he's the head coach now.
21:41He's in charge of all facets. And he was able to say, look, we've run into a couple of things here.
21:48Our run game is not what it needs to be.
21:51And teams have figured out the Sam Darnold to JSN backbreaker.
21:55Right. Again, our plan was definitely to do these two things, to move it into man to man for JSN.
22:01They're not doing it anymore. They're not giving us that.
22:04And he made adjustments for both. And to your point, they won the Super Bowl.
22:09So great coaches are great adjusters because nothing lasts in the NFL.
22:13Sometimes it doesn't last more than a quarter, four games of a season.
22:17Sometimes it lasts half a season, sometimes less. Great coaches adapt and find a way to overcome.
22:22And McDonald's done it twice in very significant ways.
22:25First year on the defense, second year on the offense.
22:29And the Hawks are the beneficiary is they end up holding the trophy in the second year because he is willing and able to do that.
22:37I apologize in advance if you're watching this at like 2 a.m.
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25:35Just to give you one more number, because I was curious.
25:39I kind of looked it up. Because I didn't have enough numbers.
25:43Because I didn't have enough numbers. Yards per reception.
25:46Weeks 1 through 11 for JSN. 16 and a half.
25:49Everything after that, 13 flat. Yeah. So that's a almost 25% reduction.
25:53Just to kind of give you an idea of how much teams were focused on.
25:57You can eat. You just can't have the whole meal.
26:01And I don't want to say it worked. Because again, they won the championship.
26:05But it is something that they need to be cognizant of and have a plan for.
26:10Another thing they need to have a plan for.
26:13A, the defense is thinner this year. Top line talent, still excellent.
26:17Like, awesome. But they are thinned out a little bit.
26:20Either through free agency or through injuries. Kind of a little bit of both.
26:25And I worry somewhat about the sustainability through injuries.
26:28It's a long football season. Do they have enough gas in the tank this year compared to last year?
26:34But also, tendency-wise. Something that Mike McDonald did an excellent job of last year was kind of being a force multiplier for his pass rush.
26:42And what I mean by that is they rushed the passer in a very specific way because of the type of talent that they had on their team.
26:51They were not a very good pass rush in terms of just a straight-up four-man rush.
26:56They were an excellent pass rush with a four-man rush that was stunting.
27:00Right? This was a team that was top three in terms of stunt percentage on third down.
27:06They were really good at getting third down sacks.
27:08Overall, if you're looking at the total pressure percentages and everything like that, very good pass rush.
27:14But it was a difference between if it was a four-man rush with no stunts, they were 19th in pressure rate.
27:21If it was a four-man rush with stunts, they were 9th.
27:24That is a massive difference. And I would say that was backed up on tape.
27:29If you just watch a cut-up of their front four getting after it, no stunts, go win a one-on-one.
27:35They weren't exactly great at that. Even though they have very good individual players, just for whatever reason, none of them were really winning one-on-ones.
27:43And they were excellent at winning as a unit, right?
27:46Using those stunts and creating opportunities, increases for each other.
27:50But just a, hey, here's a guard, go beat the guard, they actually weren't that good at that.
27:55Even Leonard Williams, his stunt or his pressure rate on stunts was like 19%.
28:00And then when he played against the Rams, you know, later in the year, who had an excellent pass protection plan for
28:07the Seahawks because they knew that they stunted so much.
28:10By the way, the only team that stunted more than Seattle was the Rams.
28:15So they faced it in practice all the time.
28:18But they had a really good pass protection plan for Seattle in terms of handling those stunts.
28:23And Leonard Williams went from 19% pressure rate on stunts in that game or in every other game to that game being 7%.
28:30Did it 14 times. He got like one pressure on a stunt in that game.
28:35So that's my worry is, okay, if teams are going into this year knowing that they have a huge tell in their
28:42tendencies where if Leonard Williams is lined up wider than a 3 technique, it's a stunt.
28:47If they have a plan for that, like in terms of preparing their offensive line to just block stunts all day and
28:54you have to then just go win with something that isn't a stunt, can you do it?
29:00But I'm not sure they can. And so I kind of worry about that as well.
29:05Like what's Mike McDonald going to do to scheme up pressure if the thing that he did last year to scheme up pressure no longer works?
29:13He's obviously a tremendous coach. I'm sure he has an idea or three.
29:18I just don't know what it is yet. And I'm excited to find out what the solution is.
29:23Yeah, we get to see that over the first few weeks of the season because it is the measure of an elite coach.
29:31Coach, we've seen lots of coaches have what I will call single season success or single large stretch of a season success.
29:38The real mark of a successful coach in the NFL, whether it's a position coach or whether it's a head coach, coordinator,
29:45whatever, we've talked about it before, is continued success.
29:48Can you stay ahead of the curve, right? The hounds are going to come out.
29:53People are going to come up with blueprints to stop it.
29:56But everybody's got film. And sometimes that's going to happen as soon as three or four games into your series.
30:03And you're going to have to figure out, oh, well, I need to shift midseason to do it.
30:08Well, even if you can manage it through a whole season, can you turn it on through two seasons?
30:15Can you turn it on through three? That's the mark of elite coaches in the NFL.
30:20And I believe McDonald is an elite coach in the NFL.
30:23So I, like you, am looking forward to the first, oh, say, month, month and a half of the season to see what's he got in the bag.
30:32I do want to get your thoughts on this.
30:35Again, I brought up lack of depth a couple times.
30:38And that was because we got an excellent patron viewer note.
30:42We actually got a lot of patron viewer notes for Seattle.
30:45I'm reminded every summer series that we have a very large contingent of Seattle fans listening to the show.
30:51And there were so many to pick from. It was actually very difficult.
30:56So I might actually bring up a couple during the show.
30:59But this one specifically comes from Coy Loritson. Coy says, Seahawks fan here.
31:03I'm worried the Hawks are down quite a bit of depth.
31:07Yes, we have a lot of starters returning, but a lot of positions feel really thin, especially at D-line.
31:13Would love if you guys could speak on that and if you think it should be a concern.
31:19So I talked about the pass rush and how they were kind of stunt dependent.
31:24I now want to talk about their lack of depth because Boye is gone.
31:28Now, they did sign back Derek Hall. But if we're looking at the second four on this defensive line, remember the first
31:35four-man rotation is Leonard Williams, Byron Murphy, Jaron Reed is your interior trio.
31:39I guess five, not four. Yeah. And then Demarcus Lawrence and Uchenna Nwosu.
31:44After that, your second five are Dante Fowler and Derek Hall, Mike Morris, Brandon Peely, Riley Mills.
31:49While I like a lot of those players in a vacuum, that's a pretty significant drop-off to me.
31:55Like a really, really significant drop-off. And I worry with some of the players that they have that are older, right?
32:02Tank Lawrence is older. Leonard Williams is older. Reed's been around.
32:05He's year 11. Like there's three guys on their first five that are year 11, year 12, and year 13.
32:11Uchenna's year nine. Like Byron's the only guy who's year three or under.
32:16He's the only guy who's year eight or under.
32:19So if they start getting banged up a little bit, I'm not as comfortable with the drop-off this year as I was last year.
32:26And I'm, you know, Josh Schneider might have to do a little bit of wheeling and dealing mid-season if they start taking on water.
32:34Because while the roster, again, the starting 22 is phenomenal, it does feel like the depth has been chipped away at pretty significantly.
32:41Yeah, I'm going to shine a light on another area of the defense in terms of depth.
32:47Thanks again for the question. It's tremendous. It's safety depth, right?
32:50They're starting Tai Okada and Julian Love. I actually like Tai Okada a lot.
32:55I think Julian Love's been great for them. Nick Imanwari is going to be their, you know, Swiss Army knife, whatever you want to call him.
33:03Insert lock for a particular key. Like he is the fixer on defense for them.
33:08But those are their three safeties. Okada, Love, and Imanwari.
33:11And Imanwari is really more of a nickel, third safety, whatever else.
33:15If they take any injuries to that group, there's literally nobody behind him.
33:19They just signed. They already did. Bud Clark was supposed to be the guy.
33:24And they signed DeAnthony Bell on their practice squad to be able to, you know, come up and give them some insurance.
33:31But Anthony Bell is not moving the needle for me necessarily, especially on this defense.
33:36Again, top tier talent, not worried at all. But it's a long season.
33:40People do get dinged up. And if they take a few key injuries on defense, they are not as deep.
33:46That is what happens. It is the Super Bowl tax for teams, right?
33:50Everybody says you've had success. We want to take those guys from you, right?
33:55Seattle did a tremendous job retaining talent. We'll talk about that in the free agency section.
34:00But by definition, they are not as deep. Specifically on this side of the ball, I worry a little bit less about it on offense.
34:08They brought in a lot more reinforcements, in my opinion, on the offensive line.
34:13Even the receivers, I think, have better depth. But like defensive line, it's really age and safety.
34:18It's just pure numbers. They literally have three safeties.
34:21They play three safety defenses. If one of them goes down, you're rotating in your biggest corner or pulling somebody up off
34:28the practice squad, which, again, is a step down in terms of talent.
34:32So those are the areas I worry about. It's, you know, it's kind of tough because Mike and certainly with his Baltimore
34:39Ravens lineage, they always had next man up and they had a lot of sort of legendary next man up stories of
34:46like, I've never even heard of that guy. Holy crap, he can play.
34:51So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not going to say it's not a worry.
34:57Does receiver worry you at all? Because receiver also worries me like on the surface.
35:02You're like, oh, JSN. Awesome. Sure. What happens if Jackson gets hurt?
35:06I know you could say this about any team if their number one goes down.
35:11Absolutely. When Nico Collins goes down, you're like, is Kayshawn Booty our number one, right?
35:16But Seattle goes from JSN and a whole bunch of really cool complimentary pieces to if JSN goes down.
35:22Oh God, are we starting Rashid Shaheed and Torrey Horton?
35:25And I don't have a problem with that pairing, but I understand that you might.
35:30Well, it's like, okay, great twos and threes. Sure.
35:33Can any of them do the Juwan Jennings thing and be a one when we really need it?
35:38Well, here's the good news. Their new offensive coordinator has experience with injury depleted wide receiver course.
35:44So he knows how to shuffle the pieces around the board and make it look pretty good.
35:49Hence Juwan Jennings. But wide receiver, I think worries me less because I like the players they have in backup a little bit more safety.
35:57Literally, when they play a three safety defense, they don't have anybody in backup.
36:02There is not a safety listed behind those three.
36:05So that by definition is just thin. You just don't have as many bodies there.
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37:43All right. From here on out, it's 2026 talk.
37:46Everything this team has done to try to alleviate some of our early concerns here when it comes to depth and roster building and all that stuff.
37:54First things first, the power structure. A lot of familiar names here, but a couple key new ones, especially when it comes to coordinator.
38:02Yeah. And we're going to focus on those because, again, the names that are still with Seattle, you've heard a lot about
38:09at this point in terms of John Schneider as a GM.
38:13We've talked about a lot on this podcast. We're big fans of his work.
38:17So we're not going to go over that territory again.
38:20Mike McDonald, same thing. Big fan of him as a head coach.
38:24Even as a coordinator, we were big fans of his.
38:27So not going to go back down the Mike Mack thing other than to say is an elite coach.
38:34If you watch Hard Knocks this summer, you probably got some insight into why and how that is.
38:39So not ground we necessarily need to tread over.
38:42Assistant head coach. I do want to give a shout out to Leslie Frazier.
38:4727 seasons as an NFL coach, including a head coaching stint in Minnesota and multiple stops as DC on other teams.
38:53He is the number two on this team. Offensive coordinator, this is where we're going to spend our time.
39:00Brian Fleury comes in from San Francisco. So who and what is Brian Fleury?
39:04Well, he was a quarterback himself, interestingly. He played at Maryland as a walk-on, and then he took a step down to Towson in college.
39:12Foreshadowing. Started with the Bills in 2013 as a quality control coach.
39:16Then he moved to the Browns as an assistant linebacker coach.
39:19An outside linebacker coach. Joined the Niners in 2019 as a defensive quality control coach.
39:24Two steps down from his previous role in Cleveland as a full position coach.
39:29So again, second time in his career, he's taken a major step down for an opportunity.
39:34Swapped to the offensive side of the ball as an offensive quality control guy in 20 and 21.
39:40Always fascinating to me when somebody is a player on offense, starts on the defensive coaching side, has multiple roles on the
39:47defensive coaching side, and then goes up. I'm going to go to offense.
39:51Becomes a tight ends coach for 22 and 24.
39:54And then last year was the run game coordinator and tight end coach for San Francisco.
39:59So a variety of experiences, both as a player and as a coach on the defensive side, which I always think helps
40:06out on the offensive side, because you understand what the mindset is of the unit that you're attacking.
40:12Brian Fleury's gotten rave reviews through early going in OTAs preseason as a guy that's adaptable and sort of not beholden to
40:19concepts that, you know, he came from. I think he's going to mix things in really well.
40:24He's obviously got a lot of pieces to play with.
40:28Again, I feel better about the depth on the offensive side than I do about on the defensive side.
40:34But I'm fascinated to see now that he's got the top spot, right?
40:38He is unquestioned. I'm not going to say he's going to be unilateral in his decisions because I don't think any really
40:45good coaches, but I'm fascinated to see how he forges that identity.
40:49What is it about his program on offense that they're going to hang their hat on that he really wants the Seahawks
40:56to be, to become, to take that next step to chase another championship?
41:00And I think Brian Fleury is going to be the must-see TV for the Seahawks this year for me because he's the
41:07newest part and obviously the one that has the hottest spotlight.
41:11I'm really curious what he does with the run game because he was the run game coordinator in San Francisco and there
41:18were issues with the run game last year. And I don't think it was just because of personnel or just because of coaching.
41:25Like, I think it was kind of a mix of everything.
41:29There wasn't a huge jump in effectiveness in the run game.
41:32In fact, they actually ran the ball less after he stepped away, which I found interesting as far as like schematic changes.
41:39They just kind of leaned more into gap scheme.
41:42They took out the counter and power stuff that wasn't working for them.
41:46There was something about, okay, if we have a guy pinning and another guy pulling, like they just missed their targets a lot.
41:54It felt like teams were having a pretty easy time of just gumming up the works whenever a puller was involved.
42:00So they just kind of stopped doing it. I think their power percentage went down to like 3% in the last month
42:08and a half and into the playoffs. It was 10% before.
42:11So, you know, we're working in the margins here.
42:14But if we just kind of stop doing something entirely and then throw all those carries into just run gap scheme, because
42:21if Kenneth Walker can't get up the middle, he's just going to bounce it outside, get an explosive anyway.
42:27Like it kind of felt like towards the end of the year, they're just like, screw it, Kenneth.
42:33You just do it. And it worked better for them.
42:36But I am really curious what Fleury does because one of two things can happen.
42:41Either A, he can make them be better at running power and counter, which the Niners traditionally have been pretty good at that.
42:48They're not just a wide zone team. They're also really good at power and counter.
42:53So either A, Fleury fixes that, or B, if he doesn't think that they have the guys to fix that, he's just
43:00going to do more of what did work last year, which is, OK, we're going to kind of get away from the
43:07wide zone stuff, lean more into gap scheme, and then trust to Darien to make us right or Charbonnet or whoever is back there.
43:15So these are questions that have yet to be answered.
43:18It's honestly going to be a season-long trend that we have to look at.
43:23Like, what does this run game look like compared to last year?
43:27But if anybody has experience at doing it, it's Ryan Fleury.
43:30Also interested in a possible A.J. Barner ascension as a former tight ends coach who's worked with Kittle and focused on the
43:37tight end as part of the offense in terms of production in a way that the Seahawks haven't.
43:43Again, their players at that position have been good, but it hasn't been the sort of focal point of the offense for a while.
43:51And it might be. And if that happens, I think a lot of people are going to get introduced to Barner very, very quickly.
43:58Defensive coordinator on this team, Aiden Durda. We've talked about him at length on previous Summer Series episodes.
44:04Fascinating journey. If you're not familiar with how he got to where he is, go look it up.
44:10It is one of the coolest journeys to NFL coordinator that I know about.
44:14And the special teams coordinator, very familiar NFL name, Jay Harbaugh.
44:18The other Harbaugh. Harbaugh, yes. The Venn diagram of NFL coaching is 10 to 12 families that all overlap a whole lot.
44:25In terms of position coaches on this team, the senior offensive assistant and offensive line coach is John Benton.
44:3122 years of NFL coaching experience. Want to focus on the other senior offensive assistant.
44:36Yes, they have two. This is a large coaching staff, by the way, who also has the title of running backs coach.
44:43Again, replacing the emptied spot from Kennedy Palomalo. It's Thomas Hammock.
44:47So who's Thomas Hammock? He was the head coach at Northern Illinois University, his alma mater, from 2019 to 2025.
44:53But what's the connection to the staff? Oh, before that, he was the Ravens running backs coach from 14 to 18.
45:00Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah, there it is.
45:03Wide receivers coach again. If you have one of the best wide receivers in the NFL, I'm going to call it the wide receivers coach.
45:11Frisman Jackson. If you watched Hard Knocks, you got to see him talking about the dog and Jake Bobo.
45:17That was a pretty good introduction to Frisman Jackson.
45:20Senior defensive assistant on the staff, Kirk Olavadotti. Long time NFL coach.
45:24Defensive pass game coordinator and defensive backs coach is Carl Scott.
45:27Inside linebackers coach. Another familiar name. Zach Orr. He was Baltimore's DC for the last two years after being a linebackers coach for Baltimore before that.
45:35And the defensive assistant slash defensive backs coach is Nico Thorpe.
45:39Speaking of interesting journeys, it's one of the things we do in this section all the time.
45:44Played for the Chiefs, the Argonauts, the Raiders, the Colts, and the Hawks.
45:49There's the connection. Started off his coaching journey as a coaching intern in 22, and he was a defensive assistant in 23.
45:56Then he moved over to the player engagements and ops side for 24, and now he's back on the coaching side.
46:02So it's interesting when I see players turn into coaches and then take multiple different opportunities, whether it's internships, fellowships, whatever it
46:09is, and then move into different parts of the organization.
46:13If they go to scouting, if they go to ops, if they go to player engagement, then come back to maybe the other side of the ball.
46:21Those are interesting people to me because they don't always end up as coaches.
46:26Sometimes they end up as player personnel guys. Sometimes they end up as assistant GMs because, again, they're just sort of apologists.
46:33They're just taking in the entirety of the sport and figuring out where they fit best.
46:38Nico Thorpe's that name on the Hawks. I think there's very few companies or business structures anymore where you can kind of
46:45start in the mailroom and then work your way up to being a position of importance.
46:50Football teams are one of the last bastions of that.
46:53Every single team has people in the front office or just decision makers in general, whether it's the business side, the football side, the finance side.
47:02And you read their bios and it's like started as an intern in 2014, something like that.
47:07And football teams, if there is one last holdout in American culture that does promote from within and like has lifers that
47:14start at the bottom and end up at the top, it's a lot of NFL teams.
47:20And I always find that as a former NFL intern myself, I always find inspiration in that.
47:25For sure. Moving into free agency, there's a lot of turnover on this team, but it's not just all losses.
47:31So in the losses section, we're going to have an interesting sort of twist in this episode of guys that were quote
47:38unquote losses, but are back and on the practice squad.
47:42Yeah. AJ Finley was a departure and then not a departure.
47:45He's on the practice squad. Jakardia Wright, same thing, back on the practice squad.
47:50Kobe Bryant, not back on the practice squad, currently in the blue tent over in Chicago.
47:55Oh, I guess he wasn't. Now he's in the trainer's room in Chicago recovering from an injury.
48:00The moment the Bears paid him, that sucked. Yeah.
48:03He was going to be a massive, massive player for them this year.
48:07And now he's going to be back. What? November?
48:10I don't know that he's going to be back this year.
48:14In fact, it'll be really interesting to see how the Bears' fortunes are going late in this season.
48:20If he is not recovering, I would advocate for shutting him down because his signing is so important to that secondary.
48:26He was going to get paired with first round rookie Dylan Thienemann.
48:30That to me was an incredibly exciting pairing, a large upgrade for the Bears.
48:35And it's just one of the facts. Last like two weeks.
48:38Just one of the facts of NFL life that we're not going to get to see it.
48:44It sucks because Kobe Bryant was tremendous. If you turn on the All-22 last year for the Hawks, Kobe Bryant was making plays all over the field.
48:52And I mean like far hash across the field, the boundary.
48:56Very few safeties in the NFL had his recognition and range combination.
49:00Made him really, really fun on tape. I thought it was a tremendously underrated signing.
49:05One of the best signings in free agency. They pair that with one of the best first round picks in all of the NFL.
49:12I thought this is a great safety pairing. Going to be so much fun to watch in Chicago.
49:18Okay, yeah. No. Injury. Boyamafe, also a great contributor on this defense.
49:22Maybe didn't turn into the star that we hoped he would have coming out of college, but still turned into a pretty damn solid edge.
49:30He got paid by the Bengals. He was relatively modest $20 million a year.
49:34Sounds like an oxymoron, but if you look at the edge market.
49:38I'll take a modest deal, man. A modest $20 million.
49:42It's like 40% of the top of the edge market.
49:45So I do think that was a good signing by the Bengals because they didn't break the bank.
49:51And you got, again, a solid edge. Is he going to put up 12 sacks for you?
49:56Probably not. But I think you could do worse as a starting edge than Boyamafe.
50:01So good for him. Good for Cincy. Kenneth Walker also got paid big money by the Chiefs.
50:06Was a little bit less than I expected for where the top of the running back market is now with Bijan and Gibbs.
50:14I thought it would be a little bit closer to that.
50:17Not a lot of bit closer, but a little bit closer.
50:21But I do think his injury history probably factored into the price.
50:25He's only about $14.3 million. So roughly, what, two-thirds-ish of the top of the market.
50:29Good deal for them. Reek Wollin, this was criminal.
50:32$12 million, one-year mercenary deal for the Eagles. I think he's going to light it up there.
50:38I think he's going to be awesome. I agree.
50:41There's some players you just can't hang on to in terms of when you're looking at where can we use that money elsewhere.
50:48And we'll get to that in the re-signings of where that $12 million goes.
50:53But Reek Wollin was one of the most divisive players in recent Seattle history in terms of started off great guns as a not-very-heralded draft pick.
51:01If you listened to Bootleg, you were well familiar with him because he lit up the pre-draft process.
51:07We were very high on him. Not surprised at all when he came in and played well as a young player.
51:13Ups and downs through his Seattle tenure certainly turned some fans off.
51:17Some fans said, hey, talent's still there. You should keep him.
51:21Some fans were like, get him out of town.
51:24Eagles become the beneficiary. And I, too, believe that in that secondary, his skills are going to prosper.
51:30And he's going to get a really large contract next year.
51:33I would be surprised if it's anywhere in the neighborhood of $12 million that he signed for this year.
51:39The only reason he took $12 million is because it was one year.
51:43Because he knows next year is going to be huge.
51:47And Howie knows next year is going to be huge.
51:50Howie's like, all right, have fun in 2027. I'll take my comp.
51:54It's not with us. Yeah, I'll take the comp pick.
51:57Yeah. Just come earn your money with us and we'll get you there.
52:01But I think everybody in the room knows, like, I'm going to be gone in 12 months and that's okay.
52:07I think it's a great deal for everybody involved.
52:10As for where they did spend their money in-house, this might be the longest list of retentions and extensions that we've had.
52:17It's very similar to the Broncos list. If you listened to that episode last week and Seattle is John Schneider, very loyal
52:24to players that have supported the organization and made sure these guys got paid.
52:29And it is up and down the board. It's the top of the pay scale and the bottom of the pay scale.
52:36A lot of these guys that are at the bottom of the pay scale are still very important.
52:42They're starters on this team. So I'm just going to run through the names.
52:46Leonard Williams, Devin Witherspoon, Charles Cross, Josh Jones, Jackson Smith and Jigba, Rashid Shaheed, Derek Hall, Josh Jobe.
52:52And then you get to the bottom of the pay scale.
52:56Ty Okada at 1.1. Brandon Peely at 1.7. Brady Russell, who's the starting fullback on this team.
53:01I realize that a lot of people think fullbacks don't matter.
53:052.4. Drake Thomas, starting inside linebacker on this team.
53:08$4 million. And, you know, it goes on. Jake Bobo, who unfortunately is on IR, but was a valuable contributor for several years on this team.
53:162.75. So this is the organization. We talk about confessions of an organization.
53:20We usually talk about that as a negative. This is the confession of the Seahawks organization.
53:25If you do well for us, if you come in, if you get with our program, you become a contributor, you become a member of this team.
53:34We're going to make sure you get yours because you're important to our success.
53:38And there's a kind of very interesting example on this list of exactly that.
53:43Yeah. John Taylor, speaking of patron viewer notes, again, we're going to have multiple in this episode.
53:48This was great from him. John said, That extension seemed like a showing of good faith by the Seahawks, basically saying, We
53:55know you're hurt, but a hurt Charles Cross is still better than Josh Jones, and we need you in the playoffs.
54:02So we're going to take care of you right now so you can focus on ball and not worry about ruining that second contract.
54:10I just want to say, John, I had not considered that before reading your viewer note.
54:15And that's why we do these viewer notes is because you guys give us context on everything.
54:20I thought this was great insight into why he was signed when he did.
54:25Because I remember when that extension came through, I was like, that's odd.
54:29It's like we're in the middle of the season.
54:32Like it was such a weird timing on the surface.
54:35And then when you when you explain it that way, I was like, yeah, that actually that makes perfect sense because you
54:42want if you're trying to go on a playoff run and especially a Super Bowl run, you don't want, you know, looming
54:49contract disputes to be hanging over a player and trying to make them decide whether or not they're going to play.
54:56Like I, a I think that's great insight and be I think that's a great move by the Seahawks.
55:02Just be like, hey, you're our guy. We have you get the fuck on the field.
55:07And he did. And they won the Super Bowl.
55:10Yeah, it was a prescient comment. And it was foreshadowed by the contract that they gave Abe Lucas on the other side.
55:17And when they gave Abe Lucas his contract, we said on bootleg and they're sure like they believe that health has been
55:24a problem, but it's not going to be a problem with that number.
55:29We know you're going to be healthy. We like you as a healthy player on the field and we are going to make you whole financially.
55:37So the timing was fascinating for Charles Cross's prescient comment.
55:40Thank you so much for sending it in. As for where they spent their money outside the building, which wasn't a lot
55:47because they didn't have any left after they spent it on all their own guys.
55:52Dante Fowler, 32 years young already. I still remember when he was drafted like it was yesterday.
55:57It's crazy how long he's been in the league already.
56:01He is coming in to be a rotational edge for them being their new boy at Mafia, I guess you can say, right?
56:08The third edge in the group. Emmanuel Wilson brought in from the Packers to add to the running back room.
56:15Terry and Arnold. We'll see, I guess. Yeah, I think that's a we'll see and we don't know and neither does anybody else.
56:22Let's call it a dart throw by the Seahawks on potential.
56:25I want to talk about Emmanuel Wilson, though, because I don't think this is a dart throw.
56:31I think this was a very purposeful kind of laser focused signing for the Hawks.
56:36And a lot of people might not know Emmanuel Wilson's name or game came from the Packers in 2025 with Green Bay.
56:43He is a between the 20s down eating runner.
56:46412 of his 496 yards came in non red zone runs.
56:49313 of those 412 were after contact. Like this is a guy that's going to power through contact, lean forward, finish first downs.
56:57Almost 74% of his total yards gained were after contact.
57:00That's red zone and non red zone. So with Charbonnet on the PUP, this is a key pickup.
57:06They need Emmanuel Wilson to play well, eat those downs, get those tough yards as they're moving down the field.
57:12And I think he's an ideal candidate to do it.
57:15And they get that for 1.6 million. I thought it was a great signing.
57:20This is the kind of thing that Schneider and his front office hang their hat on is finding players that fill very
57:27particular needs in the way Seattle needs them filled for reasonable contracts.
57:31I thought it was, you know, it's tough to call it a master stroke because it doesn't matter quite that much.
57:37But when you put the sort of sum of parts together of all these small moves, it is the envy of the
57:44league and what I'm going to say in terms of looking at Seattle's front office.
57:49I mean, a home run can only be a grand slam.
57:53You've got a bunch of singles ahead of it, right?
57:56So if you just get a bunch of singles, eventually the one move that really matters most is going to be amplified
58:03by just great savvy signings like that. So I think Schneider's always been tremendous at that.
58:08I keep saying tremendous. I'm stealing the EJ-isms over here.
58:11Sure. I got to blow up my vocabulary a little bit.
58:15You need to add absolutely before tremendous and then that's a dead shot right there.
58:20It's like, what's a synonym for tremendous? I'm just going to have a note on my monitor next time we record.
58:27It's like, say anything else, Brett. Let's get to the draft, shall we?
58:31Because I think a mark of a good team is when you have eight picks and three of them are going to
58:38be on your active roster for week one for a couple different reasons, right?
58:42Unfortunately, Bud Clark got injured, but they had four picks.
58:46So half of their draft class is not on the active roster.
58:49It's on the practice squad. Yeah. And again, tough team to make.
58:53We talked about this with Denver. I know I referenced that episode earlier, but they're a very solid roster.
58:59It's tough to make that roster. So whether you are a lower round draft pick or a UDFA, it's going to be
59:06difficult to end up on the 53 because you're talking about the Super Bowl winning roster.
59:12So they start off first round, last pick, 32.
59:14Jadarian Price, the running back from Notre Dame. I really liked Jadarian Price.
59:19He was in the shadow of Jeremiah Love in college.
59:22Jeremiah Love, tremendous playmaker. Again, top five choice in this last draft and gets all the highlights.
59:27But Jadarian Price did a lot of dirty work for Notre Dame and had explosives.
59:32It's not just that he is like Emmanuel Wilson in a down eating runner.
59:37He was literally my RB2 and the only running back I had in my second tier.
59:42Love was alone in the first tier. Jadarian Price was alone in the second tier.
59:47I think he's going to take over the mantle of RB1 on this team fairly quickly and rightfully so.
59:53He has that kind of skill and well-rounded ability.
59:56Very solid runner, but he has explosion. Good patience.
59:58I really like the pick, and I'm kind of happy that it was down at 32 because nobody was like, oh, you
60:06picked a running back in the first round. That's a waste because you're down at 32.
60:11You're trying to fill the biggest hole you can.
60:14And I think the Hawks kind of had an excellent marriage of doing both of those things with this pick.
60:20Well, also you get the fifth year option, right?
60:23So if he's good enough to extend, then you're going to get that extra year of contract runway so it doesn't hurt you so bad.
60:31But when they took him, to me that was, it kind of was an indictment on the running back class, if I'm being honest.
60:39That was their way of saying, okay, Kenneth Walker's gone.
60:42Zach's coming off a major injury. There's nothing else here for us.
60:46Like if we're going to get a one, this is the only way we're going to get a one.
60:52That doesn't cost us $14.5 million a year, which would have been just paying K-Walk.
60:57And Jadarian Price was it, right? And there are running backs in this class that we like as twos and threes.
61:03There were two number ones in this entire class.
61:06One of them went third overall. And Jadarian was the only other one available.
61:11I thought it was a great pick. I thought it was a necessary pick.
61:15This is an offense that absolutely would have felt it if their running game went off a cliff.
61:21It might look like their running game went off a cliff last year because they were 29th in EPA per play.
61:28I promise you that is not what the 29th run game looks like.
61:32If you really want to see what the 29th ranked run game is, go into a season without having anything at the
61:39running back position and some of the blocking issues you had last year.
61:43Because Kenneth Walker was able to make it work and still get explosives and still make the ground game a factor.
61:50That's the reason why teams played so much one high against them to begin with.
61:55If they weren't at least a little bit worried about the run game, they wouldn't have played so much cover three.
62:02But if they went into this season with no real threat at running back, we would have seen what an actual terrible run game looks like.
62:10It would have looked like the Chiefs last year.
62:13Which, by the way, that's why they paid Kenneth Walker.
62:16Yeah. Because they know what it's like to have a shitty run game.
62:20And they were 10th in EPA per play. So just disregard the stats.
62:24Use your eyes on this one. You would not have wanted to live in the alternate universe where they didn't take Jadarian Price there.
62:32Yeah, the offensive line is going to love blocking for him, too.
62:36He is that kind of aggressive, tough, get every possible yard runner that, you know, the linemen come back to the huddle
62:43and they're like, man, if he's working that hard, we got to work twice as hard.
62:48I think he's going to inspire that in the Hawks and the offense this year.
62:53Second round, pick 64. You mentioned it. Bud Clark, the safety out of TCU.
62:57A lot of people were very excited about him.
63:00He was yet another exciting, young, hard-hitting playmaker in this secondary that we all thought, like, Mac's going to make this kid into a star.
63:08And he probably still will, but we won't get to see it this year.
63:13He is on IR, unfortunately. It's a rough injury.
63:16It happens all around the league. Doesn't make it any easier, but we're not going to get to see Bud Clark play football this year.
63:24In the third round, pick 99. Julian Neal, a cornerback out of Arkansas who I really liked.
63:29He's tall. He's got really good size. He is long, linear, fast, played in the SEC.
63:34Not a lot of people were super high on him.
63:38And I remember reaching out to you specifically in the pre-draft process.
63:41I was like, have you gotten a Julian Neal yet?
63:45And you're like, I haven't. And then you did.
63:48And you're like, I don't know. I think he's all right.
63:51And I was like, man, if he goes to the right place, he's going to be able to leverage all those physical gifts.
63:59I think they're there. It's the classic scouting question of can't do it or wasn't asked to do it.
64:05And I think in Arkansas's defense, he necessarily wasn't asked to do some of the things he's going to be able to do.
64:12I would be unsurprised if Julian Neal blossoms in this defense in year two or year three.
64:17We see it all the time with guys with his build, his physical skills.
64:22I thought this was a great choice. A lot of people were surprised he went top 100.
64:27I thought this was appropriate value and one of the best landing spots in the NFL for him.
64:33I think the hope is that he's the new Rick Wallen, right?
64:37Big, long press corner. Just park him on the X, go to war.
64:41Like we can figure out everything else, but just we will pivot around that.
64:46And they have a whole bunch of other kind of multi-tools on this defense, right?
64:51They got Eamon Worry. They got Spoon. You can do anything with those guys.
64:55With Neal, it's very similar to Rick where it's like you're doing one thing for us.
65:00You're doing it really, really well, but you're doing one thing for us.
65:04You're boxing against a receiver that's on a line of scrimmage.
65:08Go do your job. I think he can do that.
65:11Now, will he do it as well as Rick did when Rick was at his best?
65:16It's kind of a high bar to clear, but if he can just be startable, I think that's a win.
65:23Good value at 99 if you can get a starting outside corner, even if it's in year two or year three.
65:29They didn't have a fourth rounder, so we go fairly deep into day three, fifth round, 148.
65:35They get Bo Stephens, the guard out of Iowa.
65:38Early returns are really good for Bo Stephens. His second preseason game was not a word I use for preseason games a lot.
65:45It was dominant. It was an excellent performance. Brandon Thorne, our buddy who studies offensive line, called it out specifically.
65:52I talked to him about it afterwards, and he said that was pretty definitive in terms of this guy's got the goods.
65:59Brandon wasn't the only one. Mike Mack, who is not particularly big on gassing up rookies, had words about Bo Stephens that
66:06were incredibly positive, including I think he's going to have a very long and successful career in the NFL after that game.
66:13So this looks like an early hit for the Hawks.
66:16The next four, a sixth rounder and three seventh rounders, ended up on the practice squad.
66:21You're trying to crack one of the toughest rosters in the league in terms of talent.
66:26So round six, pick 199, Emmanuel Henderson Jr., the wide receiver out of Kansas.
66:31Then we drop into the seventh round. We got a 236, 242, and 255.
66:35It was Andre Fuller, the cornerback from Toledo, Devin Eastern, the DT from Minnesota, and Michael Dansby, the corner from Arizona.
66:42Again, all those guys went through rookie minicamp, OTAs, preseason, ended up not making the 53, but are with the team on
66:49the practice squad, so will be able to continually develop throughout the season.
66:53They also had one of their UDFAs make the practice squad as well, Aiden Hubbard.
66:58One of the things that fascinates me about this team is there was a different UDFA corner from Toledo that the Seahawks
67:05didn't draft, but that one made their final roster because they traded for them, but the actual Toledo corner that they did draft made the practice squad.
67:14So that was odd, but hey, at least John Schneider is like, hey, no stone unturned.
67:19We're going to do what we can to make this team better, even if it's starting somebody else's UDFA or keeping somebody
67:26else's UDFA on our roster over the guy we just drafted, and they were teammates at Toledo.
67:32It's a weird situation. I've never seen that before, but I can't blame them for just trying to make the team as
67:39good as possible going into the season. Yeah, fun thing to try and keep straight, but it also speaks to the gravity of scouting.
67:46So one of the top defensive backs in this particular draft class was Emmanuel McNeil-Warren, who's now a Brown.
67:52When you're watching Emmanuel McNeil-Warren tape, you're also watching the corners.
67:56His teammates at Toledo and both of them end up in the league, one on a 53, one on a practice squad.
68:03Both happen to be with the Seahawks. It's funny how the league turns around sometimes.
68:08That brings us to our last segment here of the 2026 Bootleg Summer Series.
68:12Ceiling and floor for the team that just won the Super Bowl.
68:16I will say, realistically speaking, the ceiling is them going back-to-back.
68:20It's absolutely possible the team is good enough, the coaching staff is good enough.
68:24They are thinner. I think the margin for error is smaller than last year.
68:29Not that the margin for error is ever big in the NFL.
68:33But I do think that they have the talent and they have the coaching and they have the quarterback.
68:39We didn't even really talk about Sam Darnold today.
68:42They have all of the necessary ingredients to go back-to-back.
68:45And that is rare error in NFL history. Not just to win the Super Bowl, but to win two in a row.
68:52It is incredibly hard to accomplish. I think this team is capable of doing it.
68:57The hard part is they have a team that is just as good in their own division that they're going to be
69:04fighting, not just for the division crown, but for the one seed.
69:08And it's very possible that they could be a team that wins 14 games, which is my ceiling.
69:13They could win 14 games and still be a five seed.
69:17If the Rams are as good as we think, and I do think Seattle and the Rams are going to split.
69:24So that's one loss for each of them right there.
69:27If the Rams are as good as we think, and they're like a 15 win team, or even if the Rams are
69:34a 14 win team and the Seahawks win 13, which is a great season.
69:38They could still be a 13 win five seed.
69:41Like that is how ridiculous the NFC West is.
69:44It's unfortunate. I mean, it's great for us. Like I'm a third party viewer, so I'm going to be glued to this division all year long.
69:53But for Seahawks fans in particular, it's going to be a nerve wracking season because you're going to be in the fight
70:00of your lives every single week just to win the division.
70:03And you're one of the Super Bowl favorites. It's it's just tough.
70:07But my floor is 10. I short of Sam Donald getting injured.
70:11I don't think this team is going to win.
70:14Less than 10 games. I find that inconscionable with McDonald, the coach with the quarterback they have, you know, with the reigning offensive player of the year.
70:22With a great defense. I can't see this team winning nine games with without a significant injury to Donald.
70:29So their range is somewhere between wild card and the best team in the NFL.
70:33They're probably closer to the best team in the NFL than they are a seven seed.
70:39So expectations are high. Right. And, you know, something I would be curious to hear from Hawks fans in the comments is.
70:46Do you consider this season of failure if they don't repeat?
70:49Because that's that's a very high bar to clear.
70:52But do you think that they have to clear it for this season to be considered successful?
70:58I I'd be curious to get your thoughts. Yeah.
71:00The challenge is immense to repeat in the NFL.
71:03There is so much luck involved in terms of injury schedule, weather, you name it.
71:08I'm a game higher than you on both the ceiling and the floor and wind ceiling 15.
71:14I think it's achievable. The division is absolute hell.
71:16Like there are two other teams in this division that are going to make it very, very rough to even split with.
71:24And you're going to have to to get to a 15 wind ceiling.
71:28That's that is the maximum number of your losses if you split with both of those teams.
71:33Unfortunately, they're very powerful in your division. But if you want to play the best, if you want to win, you have to beat the best.
71:42And I don't think Mike Mack or the Seahawks shy away from that.
71:46My wind floor is 11. Same reason. Everybody's bringing their A game to try and knock off the champs.
71:52Injuries at safety or defensive line, put defensive depth in a bind.
71:56Even if that happens, we're still talking about a double digit win team.
72:00I'm saying 11 because I just can't see this coaching staff and Schneider's roster not coming up with double digit wins, even
72:07in that division, which is absolute warfare. So look, McDonald's a hell of a coach.
72:12The roster's loaded. If they stay healthy, they have every chance to be, again, one of the very best teams in the NFL.
72:19Then get to the tournament and see what happens because that's the way it is every year.
72:25I'm fascinated by your question to Hawks fans, though, and I'm going to see a bunch of them on Tuesday night up
72:32in Seattle at a sort of kickoff event for the season.
72:35And I'm going to ask them, like, if they don't get the crown again, which is very tough to do.
72:42It's not impossible. If they don't, what will you feel about this Hawks season?
72:46And I think back to Hawks teams of just a few years ago when everybody was just screaming every week, why can't you just be normal?
72:54And now we're talking about if you don't win the Super Bowl, it's a failure.
72:59The worm turns pretty quick. You got to keep up.
73:03It's not that dissimilar to a decade ago when, you know, peak Legion of Boom, that's that was kind of the prevailing sentiment.
73:10Like, if you don't win it, you're a failure.
73:13And then that team evaporated quicker than we thought it would.
73:16And Hawks fans were like, man, we made it better than we thought, huh?
73:21Yeah. The expectation was to win it all every year.
73:24Yeah. Now we have to wander. It's like now we have to wander in the wilderness.
73:29This is not cool. This actually sucks. What the hell?
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