0:00Why does my Quarterback suck now? That's probably the most common question that we've been getting over the last, I don't know, three weeks.
0:08Because there are some quarterbacks that are usually pretty good that are not playing good at all so far this season.
0:14So today's episode is all about why. We're looking at Drake Mayee, we're looking at Justin Herbert, we're looking at Baker Mayfield,
0:21we're looking at Cam Ward's a little bit different, but more so just why is he struggling?
0:27Got some interesting quotes from Robert Sala today about that.
0:30There was a fifth one whose name I can't remember off the top of my head, but we're doing five quarterbacks today.
0:37EJ, where would you like to begin? Quarterbacks that have quarterbacked well in the past, but have gotten off to really slow starts this year.
0:45So I think we're going to start with Drake May, because the Drake May of it all is one of the most
0:52common conversations I've had with both people that know ball and work in the industry, and also randoms from outside the industry
0:59that are just like, hey, wasn't this guy in the Super Bowl last year?
1:04And he looks rough. And two things can be true.
1:07Even really smart football people that I talk to talk about strength of schedule with Drake May last year.
1:13And it's true. He played a soft schedule, one of the softest schedules in the NFL last year.
1:19But the other thing is also true. When you adjust for that schedule and strength of opponent, he still played really good
1:26football, top five football as a quarterback in the NFL.
1:29And my buddy Tez Sheff put some numbers up that I think encapsulate the difference between last year and this year, and
1:36say, hey, even though the schedule's tougher this year, he really is not playing at the same level.
1:42So last year he played six games against defenses that finished in the top half of EPA per dropback allowed.
1:48Browns, Saints, Steelers, Falcons, and the Bills twice. His EPA per dropback in those games was second best out of 36 qualifying quarterbacks.
1:56So he played tough defenses at a top level, top two level in the NFL.
2:00He also ended up facing four teams that went to the playoffs.
2:04He faced those teams in the regular season, EPA per dropback.
2:08And those games would rank first among 36 qualifying starters from last year.
2:12So yes, it was generally a weaker schedule, but he played at a top level and taped back that up.
2:18He was incredibly sharp. He was decisive. He didn't make big mistakes, and he kept that offense on track all year long,
2:25which is the reason they ended up making it to the Super Bowl.
2:30He didn't put the ball in harm's way last year.
2:33I can't stress that enough. This year, already, six picks and a fumble lost.
2:37That's insult to injury. He's playing at a lower level this year, and I've got some numbers to back that up as well.
2:45It is not the same on tape. He does not look decisive and sharp.
2:49He is not keeping drives going. But on top of that, he has killer mistakes, seven of them in three weeks.
2:56And that, when you look at the EPA formula, is what's really torpedoing his EPA.
3:01So even if you removed those, which you really can't because they are game-turning plays, he would be somewhere in the middle
3:08of the pack this year, which is not where he was last year.
3:12Again, he was elite last year. This year, it is not clicking.
3:16And then you add in these game-changing errors, and you end up with the Drake Maye that we've seen through the first
3:23three weeks, which is not the same one that took the Patriots to the Super Bowl.
3:28To me, it comes down to accuracy, right? He has the second highest percentage of his targets going to open receivers, meaning three-plus yards of separation.
3:36Guys are open. It's just he's missing them, especially down the field.
3:40Now, if you're looking at just targets of 20-plus yards down the field, he's only completed five of them out of 15.
3:47And he also has five incompletions that are just flat-out misses.
3:51Some of those are picks, by the way. He has four picks deep down the field.
3:56And to me, like, that is everything. Because this offense last year was all about the deep ball.
4:01Like, that was their trump card, was we can win one-on-one outside the numbers deep down the field.
4:07Whether it was Kayshaun Booty, whether it was Pop Douglas a couple times.
4:11Like, no matter what receiver was out there, he had a gift for putting the ball in a shoebox at that 22-yard landmark on the sideline.
4:20This year, it's just not working, right? If you're looking at targets deep down the field, they're actually doing it at a
4:27higher rate this year than last year, believe it or not.
4:30They're just worse at it. His EPA per dropback last year on vertical routes was 0.9 EPA per dropback, which is dumb.
4:37Like, that is stupid. Basically means every time he's taking a shot down the field, you just add a point to the
4:44scoreboard, or at least damn near to it. This year, negative .35 EPA per dropback, and that's because he is just flat-out missing throws.
4:52If you're looking at completion percentage over or under expectation, he was plus 13.7% on vertical routes last year.
4:58He's negative 1.8% this year. So if we just normalize it for what the expected completion percentage is on those types of
5:05throws, he was way above it in 2025. That reflected itself in basically everything.
5:10This year, he's really struggling to just hit those all-or-nothing type of throws.
5:14And when those are on 2nd and 10 or 2nd and 8 because our run game doesn't do anything on 1st down,
5:21and last year they would almost use that as like a 2nd down bailout of like, OK, if we're doing bad on 1st down, it's fine.
5:29We could take that 1-on-1 to Kayshaun Booty or whatever.
5:32Get our 1st down, keep rolling. If we're missing that this year, that means we're in 3rd and 8.
5:38And this is a receiving court that still, EJ, believe it or not, we are three weeks into the season, has not
5:45broken a single tackle after the catch. So everything has to be thrown past the sticks or they're not going to pick up a 1st down.
5:54And he's just not accurate enough to do that right now.
5:57I don't know what the fix is because you're just asking a guy who can't put the ball where he wants to
6:04put it to put the ball where he wants to put it.
6:08But it's like, you know, when a hitter has the yips or a kicker has the yips, like it is truly mental.
6:15I don't know how to fix that. Now, it's very possible he comes out against Buffalo this week and gets out of that rut.
6:23But it's one of those, it's kind of like how economists are always like, yeah, we'll tell you when we're in a
6:30recession, like two years into the recession, because we don't know until we're in it.
6:35Well, maybe now I think we can kind of tell.
6:38But that's besides the point. I feel like we're not going to know he's out of the rut until he's out of the rut.
6:46Like we need to see a couple good games in a row that look like 2025 Drake May before I believe it.
6:53But until then, I think he's just kind of stuck in this hole where he looks like this, where he just can't
7:00hit the shots that he normally would hit. And I don't know how to fix that.
7:05If I'm Mike Frable, I have no idea what to do here.
7:09Well, one place they could start is with the offensive line.
7:12He's facing the third highest pressure rate in the league.
7:15And as a result has the fourth highest sack rate in the league right now.
7:20That was not the case last year either. And a lot of people will lean on recency bias and look at, you
7:27know, Will when he was hurt and didn't play well down the stretch in playoffs and certainly in the Super Bowl.
7:34But like before that, he had good protection. He looked very confident and he was flicking those deep balls.
7:40So maybe you start with the little things. Again, the building block approach.
7:44Let's get you some better protection. Let's get the offensive line lapses cleaned up as best we can.
7:50Again, they just signed somebody for a practice squad because they're down to their third string.
7:55I believe right guard at this point. There's some injury contribution to this as well.
8:00But let's start with the basics and see if we can't walk a little bit and then start to run.
8:06Because again, just asking a guy to hit homers when he can't hit singles is not the greatest recipe for getting out of a slump.
8:14Weirdly enough, Will Campbell is one of the only things that's actually working right now.
8:19He has a 2.8% pressure rate allowed per NGS.
8:22That is lowest among all left tackles with a minimum of 25 pass blocking snaps.
8:27So him being healthy probably has a lot to do with him being good.
8:31I want you guys to keep that in mind when you look at what Will Campbell was last year because he wasn't healthy and he wasn't good.
8:40Might be a little bit of a correlation there.
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9:45Now, the other quarterback off the top of the show that I forgot was Jalen Hurts.
9:50So we might as well just talk about Jalen Hurts.
9:53It's fresh in our minds. We watched it on Monday.
9:56We praised Jalen in the first two weeks, right?
9:59If you're looking at the Titans game, there was that real bad pick in the end zone where Imani Hooker just, he just got him, right?
10:08He peeled off of his man. It was quarters in the red zone.
10:12He let the vertical get taken by the low inside corner of the box.
10:16He came off that throw, picked it off. You know, it is what it is.
10:21Veteran safety, doing veteran safety stuff. You just don't expect it.
10:25And then in the Washington game, things weren't going well, but he was able to hit two big balls down the field to Wicks and Devante.
10:33And then he ripped off key scrambles like on that third and 18 that really helped them win that game.
10:39And so we praised him. It's like, okay, he put the team on his back in a few key moments, even though it wasn't pretty all the time.
10:48And then the Chicago game happened. That man does not trust his offensive line.
10:53I went back and I watched it last night.
10:56He does not feel comfortable back there. And it's really mostly a Cam Juergens issue, if I'm being honest.
11:02Like the rest of the line, I think they're fine.
11:05But Cam Juergens has been so detrimental to Jalen Hurts and specifically Jalen Hurts' mental health.
11:10He's almost single-handedly derailing this offense. If you look at the nine possessions the Eagles had in that game, six of them were five plays or less.
11:19Four of them were three plays or less. And the second half was atrocious.
11:23It was about as bad as it gets. And Dennis Allen had this man in hell.
11:28Largely because, again, he didn't trust his offensive line.
11:31And it was a combination of showing pressure and bringing pressure and then showing pressure and backing out of pressure.
11:38And Hurts just didn't know what he was going to get.
11:41And he was so... Scared isn't the right word.
11:44But he knew if they brought it, he was screwed.
11:47Like he knew his line wasn't going to pick it up.
11:51And so he basically acted as if they weren't going to.
11:54Even if they did. So his pocket presence was terrible.
11:57He was making really bad decisions and just throwing the ball to TJ Edwards.
12:02Not once, but twice. TJ just dropped it the first time.
12:05But the first down sack in the third quarter, like he just dropped too deep in the pocket.
12:11He was 10 or 11 yards deep in the pocket, giving his guard a horrible angle to pass protect with.
12:18Whereas if he stayed at about a seven to eight yard depth, he could have stepped up away from it.
12:24But he doesn't trust his line. So he was lingering very deep in the pocket.
12:29There was that second and 15 sack later where they had a false start and they made it second and 15.
12:36It was again on his pocket presence. His clock was sped up.
12:39He had space to step up to his left and rip a throw to Makai.
12:44And he just bailed. He just ran. Because he's like, I don't like the look of this.
12:50I'm getting out of here. Even though I have a pocket to stay in, he just doesn't trust the pocket.
12:56And we've seen this happen with Hertz in the past.
12:59As soon as he loses trust in his line, it's over for him.
13:03He drops his eyes. He makes bad decisions. If he doesn't have complete and utter faith that he will be clean for three seconds, he looks like that.
13:12And that's concerning because he's played a lot of football.
13:16He's been in the league for a while now.
13:18And I would hope that he would be more consistent with bad offensive line play.
13:23But he's not. You just need to have all five of those guys on their P's and Q's.
13:29Or he looks like that. And it's another one of these things where, you know, short of Cam Juergens just magically becoming great.
13:36I don't know what the fix is. Because Hertz is not seeing it right now.
13:41And I don't think there's a way to fix that trust in the middle of the season while he's getting shelled.
13:48It's just... It's a bad place to be if I'm an Eagles fan right now.
13:53It's a really bad place to be. And it's compounded by the fact that even Nick Sirianni is making bad game management decisions.
14:00Like, it's fourth and one at midfield and you're taking a penalty and punting?
14:05That's not you. That's not the Eagles. You're supposed to just push it and go for it.
14:10And if you fail, you fail. But, like, they're not even coaching aggressively anymore.
14:14Let alone playing aggressively. I'm deeply worried here, man.
14:17I'm really deeply worried. Because this is not an easy fix.
14:21Very similar to Drake May. It's not something that you can just rep out and practice.
14:26Either you trust it or you don't. But, unfortunately, he's reverting in those situations where he doesn't trust his offensive line.
14:33And really, in the second half against the Bears, what Dennis Allen did by bringing all those pressure looks, stacking six, seven,
14:40sometimes even eight guys on the line, was really forcing Jalen to adjust and hold in some of his routes.
14:46Hey, back. I need you to block. Hey, tight end.
14:49I might need you to block, too. And then he's down to two routes out in the open, three.
14:55And if one of those routes is in the middle of the field, unfortunately, he's not hitting them either.
15:02We praised him early on. We said, yes, they're going to make him do more play action, drop back passing.
15:08He needs to throw over the middle of the field.
15:11Sean Mannion's offense requires some of those throws. And he did it a couple of times in the first week.
15:18We went, aha, see there? He's fixed. He's done it.
15:21Um, it's not great because it's low sample size success.
15:24He's still not throwing between the numbers. This is one of those stats that lie.
15:29And this is why you watch film and look at stats, not one or the other.
15:34He's sixth in total EPA on throws over the middle of the field.
15:38But it's a fraudulent number because it's on 12 total attempts.
15:42It's in three weeks. That's nothing. The leader in the category has 29.
15:46That's Purdy. So Purdy's number one. Jalen Hurts is number six.
15:49You might say, Hey man, my quarterback six had thrown over the middle of the field.
15:54Yeah, but he does it three total times a game.
15:58That's attempts, not completions. So he's still consistently successful outside the numbers, but he's not consistently hitting the middle of the field.
16:05And when defenses know that, that Jalen's being Jalen again, they can leave the middle of the field open with defenders because
16:12outside of needing a guy to basically spy Jalen Hurts who can run, but doesn't want to.
16:17He wants to pass from the pocket. You can just take an extra defender and put it out on the routes.
16:24That's not good. When you look at the passing map from this game, the reversion or regression is really, really clear.
16:31There was a ton of throws to the right.
16:33Only four of his 16 completions were throwing to his left.
16:37He averaged just 6.1 yards in attempt and only two of six on attempts to travel at least 10 yards.
16:43So the passing map is compressed. It is heavily right side and there is nothing.
16:48There's a big gap in the middle of the field.
16:51That's not really a formula for winning football in the NFL outside of what you were talking about, regaining some trust out.
16:58Strangely, what we talked about with the Patriots to open the show outside of like starting at ground zero and saying, Hey, got some answers for the blitz.
17:07We can kind of baby step you back into, you know, working ranges of the field that are out of your comfort zone.
17:15But until then, if it's going to look like this, man, Devonta Smith has got to be so pissed.
17:21He looks so pissed on the sideline because this was his breakout year.
17:25No AJ focus on him. We were talking about 1400 yards possible during the off season series.
17:30He knows that that time, that window is being limited by his quarterback.
17:35And if you saw, I'm not a huge body language guy, but if you saw the bench shot of him sitting next
17:42to Hertz on Monday night, he was icy. And I don't, I don't know if it's entirely directed at Jalen.
17:48I think it's just directed at the situation because he knows what Jalen is like at his best.
17:54And I think he was also, I think he was frustrated a little bit at, at Nick in terms of how the game was managed.
18:02Again, the, them not going for that fourth and one was inconscionable to me.
18:06You know, there was another fourth down that was an interception by Jalen, but that was set up by the thing you were talking about, right?
18:15Which was showing pressure and then backing out of it.
18:18They baited him into a seven man protection. So Devonta is just out there.
18:22Like they're running a smash concept. It's three on seven out there.
18:26So Devonta is like, how am I supposed to get open with this?
18:30Like they bait us into protecting seven on four or no.
18:34Yeah. Seven on four. I don't think it was seven on five.
18:38Nobody's open whatsoever. And so like, we just have to throw a little like four yard route to Devonta for nothing.
18:44And that sets up a four and five where he threw that horrible interception to TJ Edwards.
18:50And so I think it's, it's just frustrated with the situation of them, of him knowing that he won't be as open
18:57without two extra receivers on the field to stretch out the defense, but they're keeping guys in to help with protection because
19:04if they don't help with protection, then Jalen's getting skittish in the pocket.
19:08It's like a snake eating its own tail type thing, self-fulfilling prophecy.
19:12However you want to phrase it. It's just, he, he knows the whole situation is bad.
19:17It's not just a Jalen thing. It's not just a Sirianni thing.
19:21It's not just a Mannion thing. It's mostly a Camp Jerkins thing, if I'm being honest, but I, I don't see it as a clashing between two players.
19:30I just see this frustration with all of it at once.
19:33Yes. Super frustrated. He actually pulled one of the rarest things in the NFL that is Devonta in this game, a true triple.
19:41He was triple covered on one of his pass routes because again, they baited him.
19:46They dropped extra guys. All the extra defenders are like, what do we do?
19:50I, well, I guess we'll just follow Devonta. They had a triangle.
19:54So it's like triangle in one, right? Or triangle in two in basketball.
19:58Except the triangle was around Devonta Smith as he ran his middle over.
20:02And he's looking around like I have one, two, three guys.
20:06What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do?
20:10Yeah. It's yeah. I don't know. It's just, it's a tough thing to fix until they figure out really the guard situation.
20:17Like that is a bad contract. The Juergens deal.
20:20It is a bad, bad contract. And it just goes back to, you know, one of the oldest truisms in roster building,
20:27which is it doesn't matter if you have a superstar offensive lineman.
20:31It really matters that you don't have one of the five worst guys at his position.
20:36It's very similar to corner. Like if you have one of the five worst starters at his position, teams will pick on you.
20:43They can force one-on-ones just through how they line up.
20:47They can force that guy to have to play football.
20:50And if you're in that situation, you will feel that.
20:53So it's, it's just about not having any cracks in the armor.
20:57And the Eagles have a very, very bad crack in the armor right now.
21:01Which, speaking of cracks in the interior offensive line, you watched any Bucs tape lately, EJ?
21:06Because, oh my God, that was bad against Minnesota.
21:09Strangely, I have because one of our nominees for shot of the week was against Dun, dun, dun, Tampa Bay.
21:16And yes, it did. It was pressure that came through the interior of the offensive line.
21:21And I, I want to caution folks because some folks are going to say that Baker's struggles are due to pressure.
21:28Tough thing to back up numbers wise. Among QBs with 50 dropbacks this season, he's 20th in pressure percentage, meaning 19 quarterbacks have faced more pressure.
21:3614 quarterbacks have a shorter time to pressure, have experienced generally faster pressure than him.
21:41So he's mid-pack. And there's a lot to explain away, even if you do say it's pressure.
21:46He is 31st in EPA per play on pass plays.
21:49He's second to last in passing success rate. He has the eighth lowest yards per attempt.
21:55So again, it's not because he's only trying big bombs down the field, which are higher degree of difficulty.
22:01And despite not being pressured the most, he has the worst pressure to sack percentage in the league at 28.9%.
22:07Gross. The next closest player is Deshaun Watson, who is 6.4% lower.
22:11That's 21% lower than Baker. Like the gap between Deshaun and the next player is like 1.5%.
22:16The gap between Baker at number one and Deshaun at number two is 6.4% out of 28.
22:22Like he is converting more pressure into sacks than any other quarterback in the league.
22:27And he's taken a league high 13 sacks. He has a league high sack percentage, 11% of his total dropbacks end in a sack.
22:34He's also fumbled three times and unfortunately lost all three, tied for third most in the league.
22:40The only good news here is he can still run it.
22:43He has the eighth best rush success percentage among quarterbacks, but that's not how you build a wagon.
22:49Like our quarterback can still run it. What else you got?
22:52Not much. And that is rough. The transition to the new coordinator, I really was hoping that Zach Robinson would mesh with Baker.
23:00That's not been the case so far. He was on pace before he got injured, by the way.
23:06He's out for indeterminate number of weeks as of us recording this, which is Wednesday evening.
23:11So we don't know exactly how long he's going to be out, but we know it's going to be multiple games.
23:17He was on pace for 74 sacks this season.
23:20David Carr is the record holder of 76. Yeah.
23:23Like that, that's how bad it is. And if you're watching the tape, like we don't want to just spew numbers at you.
23:31If you're watching the tape, every single sack by Minnesota was up the gut.
23:35It wasn't just at the interior offensive line. Specifically, it was at the running backs.
23:40The running backs gave up like half those, maybe even more.
23:43And teams figured out that if you don't have a running back that can pass protect or a tight end that can
23:50pass protect, like literally anybody who could pass protect the backfield, they're just going to attack you over and over and over again, because that's a winnable one-on-one.
23:59And we know the Vikings like to blitz anyway.
24:02So there's going to be a one-on-one there. And they were just running over everybody.
24:07The Browns did a similar kind of thing to him last week, although it wasn't necessarily like blitzing and attacking the running backs.
24:14It was more so they were setting him up with stunts.
24:18It's a very stunt-heavy defense in Cleveland. And so you had Mason Graham picking the hip of the tackle and the edge
24:25looping inside, again, getting that immediate interior pressure. Before that, they were having to deal with Dexter Lawrence in week one.
24:32That was the week he fumbled three times and lost all of them.
24:36They get four turnovers in that game. And so the formula here is just attack up the middle because Baker can't get away from it.
24:44And the second he does face interior pressure, he drops his eyes.
24:48Like if you want to stop him from throwing, you get at him up the middle.
24:53He will drop his eyes. He will take off and run.
24:56And at his current age, which he's not young Baker anymore.
25:00He's been in the league for seven, eight years now.
25:03Up there, right? You got drafted in like 2018.
25:06He's not as spry as he used to be.
25:09He's mobile, but not like as mobile as young Baker was.
25:12So he's getting got. He's getting hit. He's taking bad sacks.
25:16Because if you take that shortest line to the quarterback, which is right up the middle, I don't want to call him
25:23a sitting duck, but he is much more vulnerable than he used to be.
25:27And once that was made very apparent on tape, like you could kind of see Minnesota smelled blood in the water, even in the second half.
25:36They're like, every time we attack these running backs, every time we attack these guards, every time we pick off the center
25:43with like a TT stunt and just weasel our way through that crack in the A gap, every time we get up
25:50the middle, he's withering isn't the right word. Panicking isn't the right word.
25:54But he stops playing quarterback. Right. He turns into a runner and that's what you want.
25:59You want to turn a quarterback into a runner, especially when at his age, that's not exactly like the fastest, biggest guy anyway.
26:06So this is another thing where the Bucs have to figure out a solution for their pass protection, specifically with their running backs and tight ends.
26:15They need an answer to handle a blitzing linebacker up the gut until they have that.
26:20I don't think Baker is going to improve. Like when he comes back, I don't think he's going to improve.
26:26Because the tape says he won't. We have 13 sacks in three weeks.
26:30The tape says he's not going to improve until the protection inside improves.
26:35And then also side note on the Zach Robinson thing.
26:38Why does every route have to break 15 yards down the field?
26:42Like why? Why does everything have to be super long developing?
26:45There was a sack he had. I think it was in the Cleveland game, the third sack in the Cleveland game where
26:52he at the top of his drop. Nobody was breaking yet.
26:56Like they had a dagger concept off motion to Emeka.
26:59It was like one of those cheat motions that Miami was doing with McDaniel where it's like at the snap.
27:05Then you turn up the field, you know, Canadian football adjacent motion.
27:09And so it turns into a dagger where Emeka releases that way.
27:13And then he's cutting deep down the field. Like by the time Baker at the top of his drop, Emeka hadn't broken yet.
27:20And so he's just like waiting and waiting and waiting for him to be able to hit that in cut.
27:27So it cleared the defender. And by the time he did, defender was, or, you know, defensive lineman was in his face.
27:34Like why are the route concepts not timed up with the protection?
27:38Like how you're supposed to design an offense. I, that was one of the biggest themes I saw was Baker got to
27:45the top of his drop, just waiting for people to break rather than having an option immediately ready to go.
27:51It's just a poorly designed offense. It's a poorly designed protection plan.
27:55They don't have people that can execute the protection plan.
27:58And while yes, Baker does have his problems, like dropping his eyes, the second there's interior pressure, I kind of don't blame him.
28:06Cause it's not like receivers are open and it's not like he's getting protection either.
28:10So it's, it's not entirely his fault, even though he does have things to fix, but like Zach Robinson and this offensive
28:17line and these running backs should be looking in a mirror today because it's just as much their fault as it is Baker's.
28:25Yeah, they are going to have to do this with smoke and mirrors.
28:29And, and they're going to have to start this week with Jalen Daniels.
28:33And look, he does have more mobility, but he's got a whole lot less experience.
28:38He's a very experienced college quarterback, but I'm talking about NFL experience.
28:42They are going to have to change the game plan.
28:45And I hope they do it in a proactive way, which is to scheme in some more answers for quick pressure, right?
28:52There are answers to just about everything in football.
28:55And if you realize, Hey, our interior line is not great against stunts.
28:59It's not going to hold up. Our time to pressure is going to get shorter.
29:04It's been okay. Again, middle of the pack so far, but if you keep adding up weeks like this, and again, Minnesota
29:11is the nightmare scenario for that, because Flores is going to throw the house at you 80% of the time.
29:17They are going to have to Zach Robinson specifically is going to have to scheme up some shorter, quicker answers for pressure.
29:24Because the idea that you're going to have a rookie quarterback stand behind a leaky offensive line and wait for routes to
29:31break at 13 plus yards is a recipe for disaster.
29:35If they go into this week with that schemed up, it's their own damn fault.
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30:49Speaking of young quarterbacks, let's get to Cam Ward.
30:52He has different problems than everybody else we've talked about so far.
30:56I'm not going to say they're better. I'm not going to say they're worse.
31:00They are different. Robert Salas said earlier today, as of us recording, that Cam Ward has PTSD from sacks that he's taken in the past.
31:08I think that was partially tongue-in-cheek. But the fact that the coach said that, A, doesn't help.
31:14And B, was kind of illuminating for what we see on tape.
31:18This is a very gun-shy young quarterback. He has four deep pass attempts the entire year.
31:23Pass attempts over 20 yards. He has eight completions over 10 yards.
31:27By comparison, Bryce Young has 26. Trevor Lawrence has 25.
31:30Tyler Shuck, somebody from his draft class, has 24.
31:33Much more willing to stretch the field. If we're looking at the offensive line around him, we said they had a very bad week in week one.
31:41They did have a very bad week in week one.
31:45They've substantially improved since then. They allowed 16 pressure dropbacks in week one.
31:49He had nine pressure dropbacks in week two. He only had four pressure dropbacks in week three.
31:54If you're looking at pressure percentages allowed with five men in protection, six men in protection, seven men in protection, the pressure
32:01rate allowed, at worst, in those categories, is 11th.
32:04In fact, in six-man protections, I believe it was 4th.
32:07So, the offensive line is playing a lot better this year.
32:11Kim Ward is just not throwing down the field.
32:14In particular, he is abnormally reluctant to throwing tight window throws.
32:17The only quarterback in the NFL with at least 30 dropbacks, so that's a bunch of them.
32:23The only one in the NFL that has fewer tight window attempts, let alone completions, is Patrick Mahomes.
32:28Why? Well, Patrick Mahomes is just throwing to the open guy.
32:32A lot of people are open in Kansas City, if you've watched Chiefs games lately.
32:37But he's at like 6.8%, I want to say, tight window attempt rate.
32:41And he is the only starting quarterback for all three games that has yet to complete a tight window attempt.
32:47So, he's not trying it, and he's not completing it.
32:50He's not throwing down the field. He's barely throwing over 10 yards down the field.
32:55And he's doing all this while not really being pressured and having a time to throw of about 2.9 seconds.
33:02None of those things are supposed to be happening at the same time.
33:06You can excuse a higher time to throw if you're under pressure a lot, because it means you're running around a lot.
33:13He's not under pressure a lot. He's just not making decisions.
33:16You can excuse not attempting to throw the ball down the field a lot if you're just an absolute assassin underneath and setting guys up for yak.
33:25He's not doing that either. He is sitting there behind an offensive line that's playing fairly well right now and just not making decisions.
33:33He is opting out from the job of playing quarterback.
33:36The tape is bad for that reason. Not bad in the sense of taking bad sacks or throwing bad picks.
33:42Bad in the sense that he's not doing anything.
33:45Like, it's almost unsettling how little he is doing.
33:48And I think it's, to Zala's point, he doesn't want to make mistakes.
33:52And because he doesn't want to make mistakes, he's doing nothing.
33:56So he's just not even contributing offensively. That might be worse, right?
34:00Because I can kind of live with mistakes if you're still taking swings, right?
34:04If you're still going down fighting. He's not. And so the offense is just kind of existing.
34:10And this is such a weird problem to have.
34:12Yeah, that's the thing. Barely. Barely existing. And so it's a weird problem to have.
34:17And I don't. I don't recall the last time I ever saw something like this.
34:22Where a quarterback was out there, but it didn't feel like it.
34:26And Titans fans have been like, why haven't you guys talked about Tennessee?
34:30I don't know what to say. When you watch this team, they're just there.
34:35It's weird. I can remember a time, and it was Sam Darnold, when he said, I'm seeing ghosts.
34:40Right? This is Cam Ward being paralyzed. Paralysis by overanalysis.
34:44And the offensive line is playing better than last year.
34:47That's a very low bar to clear. But when they lose, they lose quickly because he has the fourth quickest time to
34:54pressure in the league this year among qualifying QBs.
34:57So when the pressure comes, it comes quickly. And he's thinking about it happening possibly before it does happen because we've seen this with other quarterbacks.
35:05You're not sure if you're getting pressure or not.
35:08And so you just assume you are. It's a little bit of the Jalen Hurts thing we talked about.
35:14Whereas if you don't trust it, it's not that you don't trust it on just the bad plays.
35:20You just also don't trust it on the good plays.
35:23So it looks the same. He has the 20 seconds slowest time to throw this year.
35:28And when you watch the tape, the way that it unfolds is unnerving.
35:32It looks as though he takes the ball, retreats, waits for everything to kind of play out because he's either not seeing
35:39it, not seeing it clearly, not wanting to make a mistake, whatever it is.
35:44He just doesn't do anything. And then he runs around and tries to make a play.
35:49Problem is usually, or at least last year, some of the time, all of that extra time to throw really translated into these bomber deep shots.
35:57And Cam Ward's got an amazing arm. He's not using it.
36:01So Dable, as the offensive coordinator, is, you know, noticeably frustrated because, again, he's drawing it up.
36:06Okay, you do this, this timing, you look here, then you look here, then you look here.
36:12None of that's happening. Like all that sort of burning and then Cam Ward's doing whatever it is he wants.
36:18And Dable boiled over after the late game interception last week, got caught on camera.
36:23And it's just not really functional because it's not, again, what Dable's drawing up or how the line's blocking it up.
36:29That stuff is there. It's not being executed by the guy that's touching the ball every single play.
36:35And when you compare how that looks, how Cam is playing right now on tape to both pre-snap and, you know, immediately post-snap.
36:43Compare that to what Case did. Case Keenum did against the Eagles, right?
36:47Complete command. He was an elite pre-snap communicator. Everybody knew.
36:50Pre-snap operation was clean. They were not late in the play clock.
36:54Everybody was online. Post-snap, like Case got free runners.
36:57He got guys that weren't accounted for. And he was able to quickly, again, within structure, get that ball out and not take any negative play.
37:05Now, Cam might, you know, twirl and avoid the sack, but then he's 8, 10, 12 yards in the backfield.
37:11It's now two and a half seconds into the play.
37:15He's outside the tackle box. All the routes have basically expired while he was doing that, and we're back to just chuck it up and see what happens.
37:24And the difference is just jarring to be able to see a ostensibly third-string quarterback come in, you know, agreed, one that's
37:31much more experienced, but run an operation that was that smooth and that clear, both pre-snap and immediately post-snap.
37:37And then you watch the pure muddiness of what's happening in Tennessee.
37:41And last year it was muddy, but at least it was exciting because Cam was making things happen when he bought that extra time.
37:48Now he's just kind of burning all the prime time for what's drawn up and then not delivering those big game-changing plays.
37:55So you're kind of left with, what is this?
37:58Last quarterback on the docket for today, Justin Herbert.
38:01This is an odd one, because how often do you see a quarterback that I think most people, even if you don't
38:08consider him tier one, firmly in tier two. And he's been that way since he got into the NFL.
38:14You know, there's been playoff mishaps, but if you just watch Justin Herbert, it's hard to find 14 quarterbacks you think are better than him.
38:22Until this year. This is not a tier one quarterback.
38:25This is not a tier two quarterback. I'm struggling to call him a tier three quarterback right now.
38:31He has been bad this year. The decision making has been atrocious.
38:35He's just throwing up YOLO picks and YOLO opportunities for defenses every single game.
38:39Like, literally every single game so far, he's had at least one attempt where I'm like, Justin, what the hell are you doing?
38:47Like, you're throwing it into double coverage. Not even, like, in a defensible way of, like, oh, I'm putting the ball in
38:54between the defender and the sideline, and I'm giving my guy a shot.
38:58It's like, no, he is throwing it down the seam to a route that has no shot of being open in between
39:05the corner and the safety, and he's getting picked off.
39:08And then giving this, like, nonchalance isn't the right word, but, well, maybe it is.
39:13Maybe nonchalance is the right word. Like, it doesn't look like he gives a shit that he's making bad decisions.
39:19It's very, I hate to invoke this name, Jay Cutler-y, right?
39:23Late Bears Jay Cutler, where when Jay would do that, he would throw those dumb picks and then just kind of be like, oh.
39:31It's like, what do you mean? That was a dumb throw, dude.
39:35Like, we're in a dogfight. It's a one-possession game.
39:37What the fuck are you doing making that throw?
39:40And he just, he can't help himself. It looks bad.
39:43It just looks bad. I've never seen him play like this.
39:47It's not good football. And for the longest time, we've been saying, and I mean we, the collective football media, have been
39:54saying, look, if Justin Herbert just has all the things, he'll be unstoppable.
39:58And it might be time to change that conversation to, he might just be what he is.
40:04And so what actually is that? And it's funny that you bring up Jay Cutler because Jay Cutler was the name I had in my notes.
40:12Insanely physically talented. We know that with Herbert. We've seen multiple, multiple seasons worth of plays like that.
40:18He's also tough as nails. He's been hit a ton.
40:21And Cutler was as well. He was an underrated tough guy.
40:24He got the hell beat out of him. He kept getting back in there.
40:29And they can make wild plays, you know, on the regular highlight plays, even though the odds are usually stacked against them.
40:36But just don't rise to the occasion as often as they need to.
40:40And then, to your point, this rot starts to creep into their game.
40:44They make some absolutely head-scratching killer mistakes. And those have been largely absent.
40:48Herbert's had them for sure. But if you look at them on volume for his total career, it's been pretty low.
40:55So, this year, it's not. So, you know, the Jay Cutler comparison, I think, is apt because of the high-end arm strength and mobility.
41:03Jay could really move. Herbert can move even better.
41:06They're insane, highlight-worthy plays. But they just make enough mistakes to have a career record right around 500.
41:12Almost exactly 500. Jay Cutler, for his entire career, was 75 and 80.
41:16That's a 484 winning percentage across 155 starts. Now, again, big sample size.
41:20And QB wins are, you know, wins are not a QB stat.
41:24But that stat tends to lie less when you're looking at a very large sample size, like Cutler's career.
41:30Well, Herbert is no longer a spring chicken. He is 52 and 48.
41:34We're talking about a guy that's played 100 regular season games.
41:37Yes, you can talk about the postseason struggles, and many people will.
41:41But that's 0 and 3. That's three games out of 100.
41:45If you're looking at the larger sample, the 100, he's right at the 50% mark.
41:50And you can say, oh, well, he hasn't had offensive line.
41:53Oh, he's had crappy offensive coordinators. And, oh, yeah, that's all true.
41:57But we're also now multiple years into a career.
42:00And maybe the best case scenario, as I was thinking about it, for Herbert is like Trevor Lawrence.
42:06We saw Trevor Lawrence with high-end physical tools, again, up and down, roller coaster, lack of consistency, but some really good moments.
42:13And we'd all say, aha, it's in there. That's what he can do.
42:17And it wasn't until Liam Cohen came along. And really the second half of the season last year where Liam Cohen came
42:24along, it looks like Trevor's picked right up where everybody goes, aha, that's the guy right there.
42:29And Matt Stafford is another name who in Detroit, everybody, you know, Pat Stadford and all that.
42:35He's never going to win anything. He was deep into his career, very physically talented.
42:40He's never going to win. Goes, meets up with Sean McVay, wins the Super Bowl the first year, becomes the MVP.
42:46Looks like one of the top five quarterbacks in football.
42:49Would Stafford change, like, physically as a quarterback? No.
42:52And so Herbert might just need to find that situation.
42:56And right now it doesn't look like Mike McDaniel is that situation because he's actually playing worse, not better.
43:02and that's the surprising part is i don't think mike mcdaniel can't call an offense it's just there's something there is something
43:09about herbert this year that is making him not we love arrogant arm talent but there is a line between arrogance and
43:16recklessness he is flat out reckless yeah if you're looking at attempts down the field it's actually the opposite problem of camp
43:23ward he's got way too much dip on his chip compared to camp ward over 10 yards past the line of scrimmage
43:30his adjusted completion percentage is 50 which is not great his yards per attempt is 10.1 which is good in a vacuum
43:37but you have to look at the rest of the stats along with it because yards per attempt can lie if you're
43:44just taking so many shots that you're getting all or nothing like the explosives can skew the yards per attempt stat but
43:51if you're just looking at touchdowns and picks he has one td and four picks when he's targeting 10 plus yards down
43:58the field his passer rating is 44.1 so you can't just take yards per attempt you have to look at everything else
44:05too and those stats paint a picture of he's just throwing it up there and hoping yeah or rather thinking oh i
44:12can hit that keyhole it's like not really man not against nfl safeties and you would think that that he would know
44:19that by now playing so many games in the nfl but he's hitting windows or rather attempting to hit windows that are
44:26just not possible even for him and i i don't know where this recklessness has come from because he's always been aggressive
44:33but not not to the detriment of his team like we talked all last year about how he was super safe with
44:40the ball and efficient even in the face of unbelievable pressure like he has a high pressure rate face this year but
44:47it's not nearly as bad as last year right right i'm not saying his offensive line's good but it's not as bad
44:54as last year but he's playing much worse yes and i i just who is this guy i don't i don't know
45:01who this is that's that's the problem is this is an enigma wrapped in a riddle right this is how how do
45:08we get the best out of this obviously very talented tough and you know up until now smart player and i mean
45:15smart on the football field right again uh aggressive but not foolish and seems to have tipped over that line this season
45:23so i'm gonna put a couple things out in the universe because let's just say the chargers crater because that is very
45:30very possible they have not had a hot start in the midst of doing it yeah they have not had a hot
45:37start and we've been talking about how difficult their schedule is over the next six to seven games it's an absolute meat
45:44grinder so there is a possibility that they're going to come out of that stretch like one and nine which in the
45:51nfl is dunzo you're you're not doing anything if you're one and nine in an nfl season so maybe there are some
45:58trades at the deadline maybe the staff gets fired now i don't think that's particularly likely but let's just say for the
46:05sake of argument chargers decide to move on and they interview two guys grant udinski and Declan Doyle oh please please Declan
46:12Doyle oh my god yeah i know ravens fans are like please god no right exactly but that's who i want maybe
46:19that's who i want and again would it work i can't say at this point for the the reason i said this
46:26is a riddle like you have this very talented guy who i've met a couple of times and as for the body
46:33language stuff he's a reserved guy he always has been highs and lows are are right down the middle he is not
46:40a he he doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve quite the opposite he he's even when things go really well he's
46:47like yeah okay guys and when things go really poorly he's like yeah that wasn't so good like he is he is
46:54not a fiery guy and he never has been that was the knock on him when we saw him at the senior
47:01bowl when we met right they were like can this guy really lead an offense does he have it it was very
47:08clear that his teammates were responding to him so i wasn't so worried about that not going to read a lot into
47:15the body language but the answer is i don't know what's best for him because i really thought the mcdaniel pairing was
47:22going to help him and it has done the opposite so what does he need to unlock like trevor or like matt
47:29stafford who was always a good quarterback but nobody was talking about matt stafford being a top five quarterback in the league
47:36when he was in detroit as a quarter as a guy playing quarterback i'm not talking about as a physical thrower of
47:43the football like the whole job description he wasn't a top five guy last year he was arguably top one like top
47:50five on my fantasy team that's for damn sure yeah well that was always the thing wasn't it but in order to
47:57get justin herbert on a winning track like off this whatever train track this is that's barreling towards a cliff like i
48:05i want to see that talent maximized and you might say well what needs to happen to make that happen and the
48:12answer is i don't know and i'm not sure anybody else does either but it's not this this whole episode has just
48:19been us airing grievances and not knowing how to fix them i've actually kind of feel bad because we said oh we're
48:26gonna tell you what's wrong i can't promise solutions though folks i could just point out uh the the crack in the
48:33windshield i don't know how to replace it so it's yeah it's rough it's rough out here for for fans of teams
48:40with bad quarterback play because in the middle of the season to your point it's it's hard to fix anything yeah when
48:47live bullies are flying you kind of have to wait for the bye week to take that breath and regroup and uh
48:54three weeks into the year i just yeah and all these spiraling and all these quarterbacks have played really good football right
49:01with cam ward in the past yeah cam ward played a lot of really good football in college jalen hurts obviously super
49:08bowl winner right uh justin herbert you go back and look at multiple times his rookie season was better than what he's
49:15doing right now by far uh baker you know in the early tampa years especially um all of these guys drake may
49:22last year's run was sensational and and maybe that's the curse is you get you know young quarterback starters who go farther
49:29deeper into the playoffs than maybe everybody thinks they should with like jalen daniels and then the wheels fell off drake may
49:36looks like the wheels have fallen off a little bit maybe it's just too much too soon but like all of these
49:43players are good players we're not we're not bagging on the players or their physical skills or or even their ceiling it's
49:50like how do you get them there because right now they're not playing anywhere close to it any of the five of
49:57these guys yeah the frustration comes from what we've seen in the past right and comparing the present to the past that's
50:04what's so annoying because we know what's in there we've seen it yes and it's just it's not happening um all right
50:11we're gonna end the show with shot of the week this was yet another competitive vote but i do acknowledge i cheated
50:18because one player got two plays on their nominee uh and that was jay shambaram he did win with 32 percent he
50:25wins for stuffing derrick henry i technically three times not even twice he got him three times in this game he got
50:32him twice in the goal line then later on third one threw a fullback jay shambaram uh was asked about it today
50:39by the way and uh reporter was like how do you feel about stuffing derrick henry he's like it's football that's right
50:47he's like you're not excited by that whatsoever he's like no it's football that's right it's my job okay it's what i'm
50:54here to psycho yeah it's like psycho in a good way by the way i love the fact that they have not
51:01tried to legislate that out of him because that was the best thing about his scouting report was the physical prowess and
51:08the fact that he just played with his hair on fire he would unleash it right he would you want a guy
51:15to hit guys like jay shambaram was hitting guys all the time it was not like oh once every five games he
51:22opens it up so we know it's in there no like several times per quarter he lights somebody up and whether that's
51:29a you know a pulling guard fullback or whatever like they've just been like nope jay shambaram just keep doing that man
51:36like the guys are bigger but you're you're pretty darn big just roll and he is he's already playing fast and that's
51:43so cool to see for a rookie so i deeply appreciate it here's jay shambaram i don't know what you have i
51:50already took my shot so here's my empty glass toast what'd you have uh you know classic wooden bill there you go
51:57the six year not not anything fancy but still my only shot of the day but still incredibly solid of course of
52:04course all right that'll wrap up today's show we'll be back obviously in a few days to recap week four and uh
52:11hopefully be able to talk about some better quarterback performances from these guys we'll see what happens but thank you once again
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52:32the shot of the week we'll be back in a few days