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"Why is my Quarterback playing bad?"

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53 min
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Oct 2, 2026
Published
Fri, October 2, 2026
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Baker MayfieldJustin HerbertCam WardDrake MayeJalen HurtsJalon DanielsCase KeenumDerrick HenryDeVonta SmithTrevor Lawrence
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Baker Mayfield

NegativeProjection21:00

Baker Mayfield is struggling significantly despite not facing above-average pressure. Among QBs with 50+ dropbacks, he's 20th in pressure percentage (19 QBs face more pressure) and 14 QBs experience faster pressure. Yet he ranks 31st in EPA per play on pass plays, second-to-last in passing success rate, and has the eighth-lowest yards per attempt. Most concerningly, he has the worst pressure-to-sack percentage in the league at 28.9%, nearly 6.4 percentage points worse than the next-closest player (Deshaun Watson).

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NegativeProjection21:28

Drake May notes Mayfield is 31st in EPA per play on pass plays, second to last in passing success rate, and has the eighth lowest yards per attempt among QBs with 50+ dropbacks; despite mid-pack pressure (20th in pressure percentage), he has the worst pressure-to-sack conversion rate in the league at 28.9%, nearly 6.4 percentage points worse than Deshaun Watson (second-worst), and has taken a league-high 13 sacks (11% of dropbacks) while fumbling three times and losing all three.

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NegativeRole23:00

Drake May identifies that Mayfield's sack problem stems from interior offensive line vulnerability, particularly running backs failing to pass protect; Minnesota attacked the running backs on roughly half or more of sacks, and Cleveland used stunts to create immediate interior pressure. The formula is to attack up the middle because Mayfield drops his eyes when facing interior pressure, takes off to run, and at his current age (seven to eight years in league since 2018 draft) is no longer as mobile as young Baker, making him vulnerable to this attack pattern.

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NegativeInjury23:00

Drake May reports Mayfield is out for an indeterminate number of weeks (as of Wednesday recording) with multiple games missed; he was on pace for 74 sacks this season, approaching David Carr's record of 76 sacks.

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NegativeProjection49:48

Drake May includes Baker Mayfield in a cohort of young quarterbacks who have demonstrated strong play in the past but are currently struggling. Mayfield's early Tampa Bay years are cited as evidence of his capability, but the current season represents a departure from that standard. The broader point is that all five QBs discussed (Cam Ward, Jalen Hurts, Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield, Drake May) are good players with high ceilings but are not currently performing near those levels.

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Cam Ward

NegativeProjection30:52

Drake May reports Cam Ward has only four deep pass attempts (20+ yards) and eight completions over 10 yards all season, compared to Bryce Young (26), Trevor Lawrence (25), and Tyler Shuck (24) from his draft class; he is the only starting QB with 30+ dropbacks that has fewer tight window attempts than Patrick Mahomes, and has not completed a single tight window attempt. Despite an offensive line that has improved substantially (allowing only four pressure dropbacks in week three vs. 16 in week one) and a time to throw of 2.9 seconds with minimal pressure, Ward is not throwing downfield or attempting tight window throws.

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NegativeRole33:00

Drake May describes Ward as gun-shy and paralyzed by overanalysis, opting out from the job of playing quarterback; he sits behind an offensive line playing fairly well with a 2.9-second time to throw and minimal pressure, yet makes no decisions, does nothing, and is barely contributing offensively. Coach Robert Salas said Ward has PTSD from past sacks, which doesn't help. The offense is barely existing because Ward is not executing the timing and structure that offensive coordinator Dable is drawing up; instead of making the big game-changing plays he made last year with extra time, he's now just burning prime time and delivering nothing.

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NegativeUsage34:00

Drake May notes Ward has the fourth quickest time to pressure in the league this year among qualifying QBs, and when pressure comes, it comes quickly; he appears to anticipate pressure before it happens, similar to Jalen Hurts, and doesn't trust the protection on good plays either, resulting in the same muddied look. His 2.0-second slowest time to throw (20 seconds slowest in league) unfolds in an unnerving way: he takes the ball, retreats, waits for everything to play out, does nothing, then runs around trying to make a play. Last year this extra time translated into bomber deep shots, but he's not using his amazing arm this year.

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NegativeProjection43:37

Drake May uses Cam Ward as a contrasting case study to Justin Herbert's current struggles. Ward has the opposite problem from Herbert: he's not taking enough deep shots downfield, whereas Herbert is taking far too many. Ward's conservative deep-ball approach is presented as a cautionary tale of under-aggression, while Herbert's recklessness is over-aggression; both represent deviations from optimal quarterback play.

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Case Keenum

PositiveProjection36:00

Drake May contrasts Case Keenum's performance against the Eagles as elite pre-snap communication and clean pre-snap operation with no late play-clock issues; post-snap, despite getting free runners and unaccounted defenders, Keenum quickly got the ball out within structure and avoided negative plays. This is jarring compared to Cam Ward's muddiness, showing how a third-string but experienced quarterback can run a smooth operation both pre-snap and immediately post-snap.

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Derrick Henry

NegativeUsage50:18

Derrick Henry was stuffed by Jay Shambaram three times in a single game, including twice at the goal line and once on a play involving a fullback. This defensive performance by Shambaram against Henry is notable enough to win the show's Shot of the Week vote with 32% of the vote, indicating Henry faced significant run-stopping pressure in that particular matchup.

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DeVonta Smith

PositiveUsage17:00

Devonta Smith's breakout year is being limited by Jalen Hurts' struggles and the Eagles' defensive adjustments. He was triple-covered on one pass route because the Eagles baited extra defenders into coverage, leaving him with three defenders around him. The Eagles are keeping extra receivers in for pass protection due to Cam Juergens' poor play, which reduces Smith's opportunities and compresses the passing game. Smith appeared frustrated on the sideline during the Monday night game against Chicago.

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Drake Maye

NegativeProjection0:45

Drake Maye's 2025 performance has regressed significantly from his 2024 elite level despite facing a tougher schedule. Last year he posted top-two EPA per dropback against top-half defenses and ranked first in EPA per dropback against playoff teams; this year he's middle-of-the-pack even when removing his seven turnover-worthy plays (six picks, one lost fumble). His EPA per dropback on vertical routes collapsed from 0.9 last year to negative 0.35 this year, and his completion percentage over expectation on deep throws fell from plus 13.7% to negative 1.8%, indicating he's flat-out missing throws he used to make.

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NegativeRole5:10

Drake Maye is facing the third-highest pressure rate in the league and has the fourth-highest sack rate, a stark contrast to last year when he had good protection. The Patriots' offensive line has deteriorated significantly—they've signed someone to the practice squad because they're down to their third string at right guard due to injuries. While Will Campbell (left tackle) is performing well with a 2.8% pressure rate allowed (lowest among left tackles with 25+ snaps), the interior line collapse is contributing to Maye's struggles.

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NegativeProjection49:48

Drake May (the speaker) reflects on his own 2024 decline, noting that his sensational rookie playoff run last year has given way to wheels falling off this season. He groups himself with other young QBs (Cam Ward, Jalen Hurts, Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield) who have played really good football in the past but are currently underperforming. The implication is that early success followed by regression is a pattern among this cohort, possibly due to increased expectations, defensive adjustments, or other factors.

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Jalen Hurts

NegativeProjection9:00

Jalen Hurts has regressed significantly in week three against Chicago after two solid weeks. His passing map was heavily compressed to the right side (only 4 of 16 completions to his left), he averaged just 6.1 yards per attempt, and completed only 2 of 6 attempts traveling 10+ yards. He's sixth in EPA on throws over the middle of the field but on just 12 total attempts in three weeks (compared to leader Brock Purdy's 29), indicating he's still not consistently throwing between the numbers despite early-season praise.

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NegativeRole10:00

Jalen Hurts' pocket presence and decision-making deteriorated in the Chicago game due to lack of trust in his offensive line, particularly center Cam Juergens. He dropped too deep in the pocket (10-11 yards) on one sack, giving his guard a poor angle, and bailed on another play with space to step up and throw. His clock was sped up and he made poor decisions like throwing to TJ Edwards twice. When defenses bring pressure looks (six, seven, sometimes eight guys), Hurts is forced to hold receivers in for blocking, leaving him with only two to three routes available.

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NegativeProjection49:01

Drake May groups Jalen Hurts among young quarterback starters who have played really good football in the past but are currently underperforming. Hurts is a Super Bowl winner, establishing his pedigree, but the episode's broader theme is that multiple talented young QBs (Hurts, Cam Ward, Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield, Drake May) are not currently playing anywhere close to their ceiling or past performance levels.

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Jalon Daniels

NegativeRole28:20

Drake May notes Jalen Daniels will start this week for Tampa Bay as a replacement; he has more mobility than Mayfield but significantly less NFL experience, being a very experienced college quarterback. The offense will need to change the game plan and scheme in quicker, shorter route answers for pressure rather than waiting for routes to break at 13+ yards, or it will be a recipe for disaster behind the leaky offensive line.

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NegativeProjection50:29

Drake May cites Jalen Daniels as an example of a young quarterback starter who exceeded expectations early (going deeper into playoffs than anticipated) but whose performance has subsequently declined. Daniels is grouped with Drake May as a cautionary tale of early success followed by regression, suggesting that the pattern of young QBs overperforming early then underperforming is a recurring theme.

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Justin Herbert

NegativeProjection38:00

Drake May assesses Justin Herbert as no longer a tier-two quarterback but struggling to call him tier-three; his decision-making has been atrocious with YOLO picks and YOLO opportunities for defenses every single game. He throws into double coverage in indefensible ways—seam routes with no shot of being open between corner and safety—and gets picked off with a nonchalant demeanor reminiscent of late-career Jay Cutler, appearing not to care about making bad decisions in one-possession games.

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NegativeProjection40:00

Drake May notes that for the longest time the collective football media said if Justin Herbert had all the right things, he'd be unstoppable, but it may be time to change that conversation to 'he might just be what he is.' Herbert is 52-48 in 100 regular season games (50% win rate), similar to Jay Cutler's 75-80 career record (48.4% win rate) across 155 starts. While Herbert hasn't had ideal offensive line or coordinator situations, he's multiple years into his career, and the pattern suggests he may not rise to the occasion as often as needed, with head-scratching killer mistakes creeping into his game at higher volume than his career average.

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NegativeProjection42:00

Drake May suggests the best-case scenario for Herbert is a Trevor Lawrence or Matt Stafford situation: Lawrence had high-end physical tools, inconsistency, and good moments until Liam Cohen arrived in the second half of last season, after which he looked like the guy everyone expected. Stafford was written off in Detroit as never winning anything despite physical talent, but met Sean McVay, won the Super Bowl his first year, and became an MVP-caliber top-five quarterback. Herbert might just need to find the right situation to unlock his talent, as he wouldn't physically change as a quarterback.

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NegativeProjection42:17

Herbert's 2024 performance has deteriorated significantly despite improved offensive line support compared to 2023; he's playing worse under Mike McDaniel despite the scheme change, suggesting the issue is not situational but behavioral. Drake May notes Herbert has become reckless rather than aggressively confident: on 10+ yard attempts, he has 1 TD and 4 INTs with a 44.1 passer rating and 50% adjusted completion percentage, indicating he's attempting impossible windows even for his arm talent. This represents a stark departure from his 2023 efficiency and ball security despite facing similar or less pressure.

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NegativeRole42:36

Drake May expresses uncertainty about how to unlock Herbert's talent, noting the Mike McDaniel pairing has done the opposite of helping. Herbert's reserved demeanor and lack of emotional volatility were concerns at the Senior Bowl regarding leadership, though teammates responded to him. The core problem remains unsolved: Herbert is a very talented, tough, and historically smart player who has tipped over the line into recklessness this season, and it's unclear what situation change (coaching, team, system) would restore his 2023 form or unlock further growth.

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Trevor Lawrence

PositiveProjection42:17

Drake May cites Trevor Lawrence as a success story of quarterback turnaround through coaching change. Lawrence's performance improved dramatically in the second half of last season once Liam Cohen arrived as offensive coordinator, demonstrating that the right scheme and play-caller can unlock a talented quarterback's potential. This example is used to illustrate that Herbert might similarly need a different situation to maximize his arm talent.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Why does my Quarterback suck now? That's probably the most common question that we've been getting over the last, I don't know, three weeks.
0:08Because there are some quarterbacks that are usually pretty good that are not playing good at all so far this season.
0:14So today's episode is all about why. We're looking at Drake Mayee, we're looking at Justin Herbert, we're looking at Baker Mayfield,
0:21we're looking at Cam Ward's a little bit different, but more so just why is he struggling?
0:27Got some interesting quotes from Robert Sala today about that.
0:30There was a fifth one whose name I can't remember off the top of my head, but we're doing five quarterbacks today.
0:37EJ, where would you like to begin? Quarterbacks that have quarterbacked well in the past, but have gotten off to really slow starts this year.
0:45So I think we're going to start with Drake May, because the Drake May of it all is one of the most
0:52common conversations I've had with both people that know ball and work in the industry, and also randoms from outside the industry
0:59that are just like, hey, wasn't this guy in the Super Bowl last year?
1:04And he looks rough. And two things can be true.
1:07Even really smart football people that I talk to talk about strength of schedule with Drake May last year.
1:13And it's true. He played a soft schedule, one of the softest schedules in the NFL last year.
1:19But the other thing is also true. When you adjust for that schedule and strength of opponent, he still played really good
1:26football, top five football as a quarterback in the NFL.
1:29And my buddy Tez Sheff put some numbers up that I think encapsulate the difference between last year and this year, and
1:36say, hey, even though the schedule's tougher this year, he really is not playing at the same level.
1:42So last year he played six games against defenses that finished in the top half of EPA per dropback allowed.
1:48Browns, Saints, Steelers, Falcons, and the Bills twice. His EPA per dropback in those games was second best out of 36 qualifying quarterbacks.
1:56So he played tough defenses at a top level, top two level in the NFL.
2:00He also ended up facing four teams that went to the playoffs.
2:04He faced those teams in the regular season, EPA per dropback.
2:08And those games would rank first among 36 qualifying starters from last year.
2:12So yes, it was generally a weaker schedule, but he played at a top level and taped back that up.
2:18He was incredibly sharp. He was decisive. He didn't make big mistakes, and he kept that offense on track all year long,
2:25which is the reason they ended up making it to the Super Bowl.
2:30He didn't put the ball in harm's way last year.
2:33I can't stress that enough. This year, already, six picks and a fumble lost.
2:37That's insult to injury. He's playing at a lower level this year, and I've got some numbers to back that up as well.
2:45It is not the same on tape. He does not look decisive and sharp.
2:49He is not keeping drives going. But on top of that, he has killer mistakes, seven of them in three weeks.
2:56And that, when you look at the EPA formula, is what's really torpedoing his EPA.
3:01So even if you removed those, which you really can't because they are game-turning plays, he would be somewhere in the middle
3:08of the pack this year, which is not where he was last year.
3:12Again, he was elite last year. This year, it is not clicking.
3:16And then you add in these game-changing errors, and you end up with the Drake Maye that we've seen through the first
3:23three weeks, which is not the same one that took the Patriots to the Super Bowl.
3:28To me, it comes down to accuracy, right? He has the second highest percentage of his targets going to open receivers, meaning three-plus yards of separation.
3:36Guys are open. It's just he's missing them, especially down the field.
3:40Now, if you're looking at just targets of 20-plus yards down the field, he's only completed five of them out of 15.
3:47And he also has five incompletions that are just flat-out misses.
3:51Some of those are picks, by the way. He has four picks deep down the field.
3:56And to me, like, that is everything. Because this offense last year was all about the deep ball.
4:01Like, that was their trump card, was we can win one-on-one outside the numbers deep down the field.
4:07Whether it was Kayshaun Booty, whether it was Pop Douglas a couple times.
4:11Like, no matter what receiver was out there, he had a gift for putting the ball in a shoebox at that 22-yard landmark on the sideline.
4:20This year, it's just not working, right? If you're looking at targets deep down the field, they're actually doing it at a
4:27higher rate this year than last year, believe it or not.
4:30They're just worse at it. His EPA per dropback last year on vertical routes was 0.9 EPA per dropback, which is dumb.
4:37Like, that is stupid. Basically means every time he's taking a shot down the field, you just add a point to the
4:44scoreboard, or at least damn near to it. This year, negative .35 EPA per dropback, and that's because he is just flat-out missing throws.
4:52If you're looking at completion percentage over or under expectation, he was plus 13.7% on vertical routes last year.
4:58He's negative 1.8% this year. So if we just normalize it for what the expected completion percentage is on those types of
5:05throws, he was way above it in 2025. That reflected itself in basically everything.
5:10This year, he's really struggling to just hit those all-or-nothing type of throws.
5:14And when those are on 2nd and 10 or 2nd and 8 because our run game doesn't do anything on 1st down,
5:21and last year they would almost use that as like a 2nd down bailout of like, OK, if we're doing bad on 1st down, it's fine.
5:29We could take that 1-on-1 to Kayshaun Booty or whatever.
5:32Get our 1st down, keep rolling. If we're missing that this year, that means we're in 3rd and 8.
5:38And this is a receiving court that still, EJ, believe it or not, we are three weeks into the season, has not
5:45broken a single tackle after the catch. So everything has to be thrown past the sticks or they're not going to pick up a 1st down.
5:54And he's just not accurate enough to do that right now.
5:57I don't know what the fix is because you're just asking a guy who can't put the ball where he wants to
6:04put it to put the ball where he wants to put it.
6:08But it's like, you know, when a hitter has the yips or a kicker has the yips, like it is truly mental.
6:15I don't know how to fix that. Now, it's very possible he comes out against Buffalo this week and gets out of that rut.
6:23But it's one of those, it's kind of like how economists are always like, yeah, we'll tell you when we're in a
6:30recession, like two years into the recession, because we don't know until we're in it.
6:35Well, maybe now I think we can kind of tell.
6:38But that's besides the point. I feel like we're not going to know he's out of the rut until he's out of the rut.
6:46Like we need to see a couple good games in a row that look like 2025 Drake May before I believe it.
6:53But until then, I think he's just kind of stuck in this hole where he looks like this, where he just can't
7:00hit the shots that he normally would hit. And I don't know how to fix that.
7:05If I'm Mike Frable, I have no idea what to do here.
7:09Well, one place they could start is with the offensive line.
7:12He's facing the third highest pressure rate in the league.
7:15And as a result has the fourth highest sack rate in the league right now.
7:20That was not the case last year either. And a lot of people will lean on recency bias and look at, you
7:27know, Will when he was hurt and didn't play well down the stretch in playoffs and certainly in the Super Bowl.
7:34But like before that, he had good protection. He looked very confident and he was flicking those deep balls.
7:40So maybe you start with the little things. Again, the building block approach.
7:44Let's get you some better protection. Let's get the offensive line lapses cleaned up as best we can.
7:50Again, they just signed somebody for a practice squad because they're down to their third string.
7:55I believe right guard at this point. There's some injury contribution to this as well.
8:00But let's start with the basics and see if we can't walk a little bit and then start to run.
8:06Because again, just asking a guy to hit homers when he can't hit singles is not the greatest recipe for getting out of a slump.
8:14Weirdly enough, Will Campbell is one of the only things that's actually working right now.
8:19He has a 2.8% pressure rate allowed per NGS.
8:22That is lowest among all left tackles with a minimum of 25 pass blocking snaps.
8:27So him being healthy probably has a lot to do with him being good.
8:31I want you guys to keep that in mind when you look at what Will Campbell was last year because he wasn't healthy and he wasn't good.
8:40Might be a little bit of a correlation there.
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9:45Now, the other quarterback off the top of the show that I forgot was Jalen Hurts.
9:50So we might as well just talk about Jalen Hurts.
9:53It's fresh in our minds. We watched it on Monday.
9:56We praised Jalen in the first two weeks, right?
9:59If you're looking at the Titans game, there was that real bad pick in the end zone where Imani Hooker just, he just got him, right?
10:08He peeled off of his man. It was quarters in the red zone.
10:12He let the vertical get taken by the low inside corner of the box.
10:16He came off that throw, picked it off. You know, it is what it is.
10:21Veteran safety, doing veteran safety stuff. You just don't expect it.
10:25And then in the Washington game, things weren't going well, but he was able to hit two big balls down the field to Wicks and Devante.
10:33And then he ripped off key scrambles like on that third and 18 that really helped them win that game.
10:39And so we praised him. It's like, okay, he put the team on his back in a few key moments, even though it wasn't pretty all the time.
10:48And then the Chicago game happened. That man does not trust his offensive line.
10:53I went back and I watched it last night.
10:56He does not feel comfortable back there. And it's really mostly a Cam Juergens issue, if I'm being honest.
11:02Like the rest of the line, I think they're fine.
11:05But Cam Juergens has been so detrimental to Jalen Hurts and specifically Jalen Hurts' mental health.
11:10He's almost single-handedly derailing this offense. If you look at the nine possessions the Eagles had in that game, six of them were five plays or less.
11:19Four of them were three plays or less. And the second half was atrocious.
11:23It was about as bad as it gets. And Dennis Allen had this man in hell.
11:28Largely because, again, he didn't trust his offensive line.
11:31And it was a combination of showing pressure and bringing pressure and then showing pressure and backing out of pressure.
11:38And Hurts just didn't know what he was going to get.
11:41And he was so... Scared isn't the right word.
11:44But he knew if they brought it, he was screwed.
11:47Like he knew his line wasn't going to pick it up.
11:51And so he basically acted as if they weren't going to.
11:54Even if they did. So his pocket presence was terrible.
11:57He was making really bad decisions and just throwing the ball to TJ Edwards.
12:02Not once, but twice. TJ just dropped it the first time.
12:05But the first down sack in the third quarter, like he just dropped too deep in the pocket.
12:11He was 10 or 11 yards deep in the pocket, giving his guard a horrible angle to pass protect with.
12:18Whereas if he stayed at about a seven to eight yard depth, he could have stepped up away from it.
12:24But he doesn't trust his line. So he was lingering very deep in the pocket.
12:29There was that second and 15 sack later where they had a false start and they made it second and 15.
12:36It was again on his pocket presence. His clock was sped up.
12:39He had space to step up to his left and rip a throw to Makai.
12:44And he just bailed. He just ran. Because he's like, I don't like the look of this.
12:50I'm getting out of here. Even though I have a pocket to stay in, he just doesn't trust the pocket.
12:56And we've seen this happen with Hertz in the past.
12:59As soon as he loses trust in his line, it's over for him.
13:03He drops his eyes. He makes bad decisions. If he doesn't have complete and utter faith that he will be clean for three seconds, he looks like that.
13:12And that's concerning because he's played a lot of football.
13:16He's been in the league for a while now.
13:18And I would hope that he would be more consistent with bad offensive line play.
13:23But he's not. You just need to have all five of those guys on their P's and Q's.
13:29Or he looks like that. And it's another one of these things where, you know, short of Cam Juergens just magically becoming great.
13:36I don't know what the fix is. Because Hertz is not seeing it right now.
13:41And I don't think there's a way to fix that trust in the middle of the season while he's getting shelled.
13:48It's just... It's a bad place to be if I'm an Eagles fan right now.
13:53It's a really bad place to be. And it's compounded by the fact that even Nick Sirianni is making bad game management decisions.
14:00Like, it's fourth and one at midfield and you're taking a penalty and punting?
14:05That's not you. That's not the Eagles. You're supposed to just push it and go for it.
14:10And if you fail, you fail. But, like, they're not even coaching aggressively anymore.
14:14Let alone playing aggressively. I'm deeply worried here, man.
14:17I'm really deeply worried. Because this is not an easy fix.
14:21Very similar to Drake May. It's not something that you can just rep out and practice.
14:26Either you trust it or you don't. But, unfortunately, he's reverting in those situations where he doesn't trust his offensive line.
14:33And really, in the second half against the Bears, what Dennis Allen did by bringing all those pressure looks, stacking six, seven,
14:40sometimes even eight guys on the line, was really forcing Jalen to adjust and hold in some of his routes.
14:46Hey, back. I need you to block. Hey, tight end.
14:49I might need you to block, too. And then he's down to two routes out in the open, three.
14:55And if one of those routes is in the middle of the field, unfortunately, he's not hitting them either.
15:02We praised him early on. We said, yes, they're going to make him do more play action, drop back passing.
15:08He needs to throw over the middle of the field.
15:11Sean Mannion's offense requires some of those throws. And he did it a couple of times in the first week.
15:18We went, aha, see there? He's fixed. He's done it.
15:21Um, it's not great because it's low sample size success.
15:24He's still not throwing between the numbers. This is one of those stats that lie.
15:29And this is why you watch film and look at stats, not one or the other.
15:34He's sixth in total EPA on throws over the middle of the field.
15:38But it's a fraudulent number because it's on 12 total attempts.
15:42It's in three weeks. That's nothing. The leader in the category has 29.
15:46That's Purdy. So Purdy's number one. Jalen Hurts is number six.
15:49You might say, Hey man, my quarterback six had thrown over the middle of the field.
15:54Yeah, but he does it three total times a game.
15:58That's attempts, not completions. So he's still consistently successful outside the numbers, but he's not consistently hitting the middle of the field.
16:05And when defenses know that, that Jalen's being Jalen again, they can leave the middle of the field open with defenders because
16:12outside of needing a guy to basically spy Jalen Hurts who can run, but doesn't want to.
16:17He wants to pass from the pocket. You can just take an extra defender and put it out on the routes.
16:24That's not good. When you look at the passing map from this game, the reversion or regression is really, really clear.
16:31There was a ton of throws to the right.
16:33Only four of his 16 completions were throwing to his left.
16:37He averaged just 6.1 yards in attempt and only two of six on attempts to travel at least 10 yards.
16:43So the passing map is compressed. It is heavily right side and there is nothing.
16:48There's a big gap in the middle of the field.
16:51That's not really a formula for winning football in the NFL outside of what you were talking about, regaining some trust out.
16:58Strangely, what we talked about with the Patriots to open the show outside of like starting at ground zero and saying, Hey, got some answers for the blitz.
17:07We can kind of baby step you back into, you know, working ranges of the field that are out of your comfort zone.
17:15But until then, if it's going to look like this, man, Devonta Smith has got to be so pissed.
17:21He looks so pissed on the sideline because this was his breakout year.
17:25No AJ focus on him. We were talking about 1400 yards possible during the off season series.
17:30He knows that that time, that window is being limited by his quarterback.
17:35And if you saw, I'm not a huge body language guy, but if you saw the bench shot of him sitting next
17:42to Hertz on Monday night, he was icy. And I don't, I don't know if it's entirely directed at Jalen.
17:48I think it's just directed at the situation because he knows what Jalen is like at his best.
17:54And I think he was also, I think he was frustrated a little bit at, at Nick in terms of how the game was managed.
18:02Again, the, them not going for that fourth and one was inconscionable to me.
18:06You know, there was another fourth down that was an interception by Jalen, but that was set up by the thing you were talking about, right?
18:15Which was showing pressure and then backing out of it.
18:18They baited him into a seven man protection. So Devonta is just out there.
18:22Like they're running a smash concept. It's three on seven out there.
18:26So Devonta is like, how am I supposed to get open with this?
18:30Like they bait us into protecting seven on four or no.
18:34Yeah. Seven on four. I don't think it was seven on five.
18:38Nobody's open whatsoever. And so like, we just have to throw a little like four yard route to Devonta for nothing.
18:44And that sets up a four and five where he threw that horrible interception to TJ Edwards.
18:50And so I think it's, it's just frustrated with the situation of them, of him knowing that he won't be as open
18:57without two extra receivers on the field to stretch out the defense, but they're keeping guys in to help with protection because
19:04if they don't help with protection, then Jalen's getting skittish in the pocket.
19:08It's like a snake eating its own tail type thing, self-fulfilling prophecy.
19:12However you want to phrase it. It's just, he, he knows the whole situation is bad.
19:17It's not just a Jalen thing. It's not just a Sirianni thing.
19:21It's not just a Mannion thing. It's mostly a Camp Jerkins thing, if I'm being honest, but I, I don't see it as a clashing between two players.
19:30I just see this frustration with all of it at once.
19:33Yes. Super frustrated. He actually pulled one of the rarest things in the NFL that is Devonta in this game, a true triple.
19:41He was triple covered on one of his pass routes because again, they baited him.
19:46They dropped extra guys. All the extra defenders are like, what do we do?
19:50I, well, I guess we'll just follow Devonta. They had a triangle.
19:54So it's like triangle in one, right? Or triangle in two in basketball.
19:58Except the triangle was around Devonta Smith as he ran his middle over.
20:02And he's looking around like I have one, two, three guys.
20:06What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do?
20:10Yeah. It's yeah. I don't know. It's just, it's a tough thing to fix until they figure out really the guard situation.
20:17Like that is a bad contract. The Juergens deal.
20:20It is a bad, bad contract. And it just goes back to, you know, one of the oldest truisms in roster building,
20:27which is it doesn't matter if you have a superstar offensive lineman.
20:31It really matters that you don't have one of the five worst guys at his position.
20:36It's very similar to corner. Like if you have one of the five worst starters at his position, teams will pick on you.
20:43They can force one-on-ones just through how they line up.
20:47They can force that guy to have to play football.
20:50And if you're in that situation, you will feel that.
20:53So it's, it's just about not having any cracks in the armor.
20:57And the Eagles have a very, very bad crack in the armor right now.
21:01Which, speaking of cracks in the interior offensive line, you watched any Bucs tape lately, EJ?
21:06Because, oh my God, that was bad against Minnesota.
21:09Strangely, I have because one of our nominees for shot of the week was against Dun, dun, dun, Tampa Bay.
21:16And yes, it did. It was pressure that came through the interior of the offensive line.
21:21And I, I want to caution folks because some folks are going to say that Baker's struggles are due to pressure.
21:28Tough thing to back up numbers wise. Among QBs with 50 dropbacks this season, he's 20th in pressure percentage, meaning 19 quarterbacks have faced more pressure.
21:3614 quarterbacks have a shorter time to pressure, have experienced generally faster pressure than him.
21:41So he's mid-pack. And there's a lot to explain away, even if you do say it's pressure.
21:46He is 31st in EPA per play on pass plays.
21:49He's second to last in passing success rate. He has the eighth lowest yards per attempt.
21:55So again, it's not because he's only trying big bombs down the field, which are higher degree of difficulty.
22:01And despite not being pressured the most, he has the worst pressure to sack percentage in the league at 28.9%.
22:07Gross. The next closest player is Deshaun Watson, who is 6.4% lower.
22:11That's 21% lower than Baker. Like the gap between Deshaun and the next player is like 1.5%.
22:16The gap between Baker at number one and Deshaun at number two is 6.4% out of 28.
22:22Like he is converting more pressure into sacks than any other quarterback in the league.
22:27And he's taken a league high 13 sacks. He has a league high sack percentage, 11% of his total dropbacks end in a sack.
22:34He's also fumbled three times and unfortunately lost all three, tied for third most in the league.
22:40The only good news here is he can still run it.
22:43He has the eighth best rush success percentage among quarterbacks, but that's not how you build a wagon.
22:49Like our quarterback can still run it. What else you got?
22:52Not much. And that is rough. The transition to the new coordinator, I really was hoping that Zach Robinson would mesh with Baker.
23:00That's not been the case so far. He was on pace before he got injured, by the way.
23:06He's out for indeterminate number of weeks as of us recording this, which is Wednesday evening.
23:11So we don't know exactly how long he's going to be out, but we know it's going to be multiple games.
23:17He was on pace for 74 sacks this season.
23:20David Carr is the record holder of 76. Yeah.
23:23Like that, that's how bad it is. And if you're watching the tape, like we don't want to just spew numbers at you.
23:31If you're watching the tape, every single sack by Minnesota was up the gut.
23:35It wasn't just at the interior offensive line. Specifically, it was at the running backs.
23:40The running backs gave up like half those, maybe even more.
23:43And teams figured out that if you don't have a running back that can pass protect or a tight end that can
23:50pass protect, like literally anybody who could pass protect the backfield, they're just going to attack you over and over and over again, because that's a winnable one-on-one.
23:59And we know the Vikings like to blitz anyway.
24:02So there's going to be a one-on-one there. And they were just running over everybody.
24:07The Browns did a similar kind of thing to him last week, although it wasn't necessarily like blitzing and attacking the running backs.
24:14It was more so they were setting him up with stunts.
24:18It's a very stunt-heavy defense in Cleveland. And so you had Mason Graham picking the hip of the tackle and the edge
24:25looping inside, again, getting that immediate interior pressure. Before that, they were having to deal with Dexter Lawrence in week one.
24:32That was the week he fumbled three times and lost all of them.
24:36They get four turnovers in that game. And so the formula here is just attack up the middle because Baker can't get away from it.
24:44And the second he does face interior pressure, he drops his eyes.
24:48Like if you want to stop him from throwing, you get at him up the middle.
24:53He will drop his eyes. He will take off and run.
24:56And at his current age, which he's not young Baker anymore.
25:00He's been in the league for seven, eight years now.
25:03Up there, right? You got drafted in like 2018.
25:06He's not as spry as he used to be.
25:09He's mobile, but not like as mobile as young Baker was.
25:12So he's getting got. He's getting hit. He's taking bad sacks.
25:16Because if you take that shortest line to the quarterback, which is right up the middle, I don't want to call him
25:23a sitting duck, but he is much more vulnerable than he used to be.
25:27And once that was made very apparent on tape, like you could kind of see Minnesota smelled blood in the water, even in the second half.
25:36They're like, every time we attack these running backs, every time we attack these guards, every time we pick off the center
25:43with like a TT stunt and just weasel our way through that crack in the A gap, every time we get up
25:50the middle, he's withering isn't the right word. Panicking isn't the right word.
25:54But he stops playing quarterback. Right. He turns into a runner and that's what you want.
25:59You want to turn a quarterback into a runner, especially when at his age, that's not exactly like the fastest, biggest guy anyway.
26:06So this is another thing where the Bucs have to figure out a solution for their pass protection, specifically with their running backs and tight ends.
26:15They need an answer to handle a blitzing linebacker up the gut until they have that.
26:20I don't think Baker is going to improve. Like when he comes back, I don't think he's going to improve.
26:26Because the tape says he won't. We have 13 sacks in three weeks.
26:30The tape says he's not going to improve until the protection inside improves.
26:35And then also side note on the Zach Robinson thing.
26:38Why does every route have to break 15 yards down the field?
26:42Like why? Why does everything have to be super long developing?
26:45There was a sack he had. I think it was in the Cleveland game, the third sack in the Cleveland game where
26:52he at the top of his drop. Nobody was breaking yet.
26:56Like they had a dagger concept off motion to Emeka.
26:59It was like one of those cheat motions that Miami was doing with McDaniel where it's like at the snap.
27:05Then you turn up the field, you know, Canadian football adjacent motion.
27:09And so it turns into a dagger where Emeka releases that way.
27:13And then he's cutting deep down the field. Like by the time Baker at the top of his drop, Emeka hadn't broken yet.
27:20And so he's just like waiting and waiting and waiting for him to be able to hit that in cut.
27:27So it cleared the defender. And by the time he did, defender was, or, you know, defensive lineman was in his face.
27:34Like why are the route concepts not timed up with the protection?
27:38Like how you're supposed to design an offense. I, that was one of the biggest themes I saw was Baker got to
27:45the top of his drop, just waiting for people to break rather than having an option immediately ready to go.
27:51It's just a poorly designed offense. It's a poorly designed protection plan.
27:55They don't have people that can execute the protection plan.
27:58And while yes, Baker does have his problems, like dropping his eyes, the second there's interior pressure, I kind of don't blame him.
28:06Cause it's not like receivers are open and it's not like he's getting protection either.
28:10So it's, it's not entirely his fault, even though he does have things to fix, but like Zach Robinson and this offensive
28:17line and these running backs should be looking in a mirror today because it's just as much their fault as it is Baker's.
28:25Yeah, they are going to have to do this with smoke and mirrors.
28:29And, and they're going to have to start this week with Jalen Daniels.
28:33And look, he does have more mobility, but he's got a whole lot less experience.
28:38He's a very experienced college quarterback, but I'm talking about NFL experience.
28:42They are going to have to change the game plan.
28:45And I hope they do it in a proactive way, which is to scheme in some more answers for quick pressure, right?
28:52There are answers to just about everything in football.
28:55And if you realize, Hey, our interior line is not great against stunts.
28:59It's not going to hold up. Our time to pressure is going to get shorter.
29:04It's been okay. Again, middle of the pack so far, but if you keep adding up weeks like this, and again, Minnesota
29:11is the nightmare scenario for that, because Flores is going to throw the house at you 80% of the time.
29:17They are going to have to Zach Robinson specifically is going to have to scheme up some shorter, quicker answers for pressure.
29:24Because the idea that you're going to have a rookie quarterback stand behind a leaky offensive line and wait for routes to
29:31break at 13 plus yards is a recipe for disaster.
29:35If they go into this week with that schemed up, it's their own damn fault.
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30:49Speaking of young quarterbacks, let's get to Cam Ward.
30:52He has different problems than everybody else we've talked about so far.
30:56I'm not going to say they're better. I'm not going to say they're worse.
31:00They are different. Robert Salas said earlier today, as of us recording, that Cam Ward has PTSD from sacks that he's taken in the past.
31:08I think that was partially tongue-in-cheek. But the fact that the coach said that, A, doesn't help.
31:14And B, was kind of illuminating for what we see on tape.
31:18This is a very gun-shy young quarterback. He has four deep pass attempts the entire year.
31:23Pass attempts over 20 yards. He has eight completions over 10 yards.
31:27By comparison, Bryce Young has 26. Trevor Lawrence has 25.
31:30Tyler Shuck, somebody from his draft class, has 24.
31:33Much more willing to stretch the field. If we're looking at the offensive line around him, we said they had a very bad week in week one.
31:41They did have a very bad week in week one.
31:45They've substantially improved since then. They allowed 16 pressure dropbacks in week one.
31:49He had nine pressure dropbacks in week two. He only had four pressure dropbacks in week three.
31:54If you're looking at pressure percentages allowed with five men in protection, six men in protection, seven men in protection, the pressure
32:01rate allowed, at worst, in those categories, is 11th.
32:04In fact, in six-man protections, I believe it was 4th.
32:07So, the offensive line is playing a lot better this year.
32:11Kim Ward is just not throwing down the field.
32:14In particular, he is abnormally reluctant to throwing tight window throws.
32:17The only quarterback in the NFL with at least 30 dropbacks, so that's a bunch of them.
32:23The only one in the NFL that has fewer tight window attempts, let alone completions, is Patrick Mahomes.
32:28Why? Well, Patrick Mahomes is just throwing to the open guy.
32:32A lot of people are open in Kansas City, if you've watched Chiefs games lately.
32:37But he's at like 6.8%, I want to say, tight window attempt rate.
32:41And he is the only starting quarterback for all three games that has yet to complete a tight window attempt.
32:47So, he's not trying it, and he's not completing it.
32:50He's not throwing down the field. He's barely throwing over 10 yards down the field.
32:55And he's doing all this while not really being pressured and having a time to throw of about 2.9 seconds.
33:02None of those things are supposed to be happening at the same time.
33:06You can excuse a higher time to throw if you're under pressure a lot, because it means you're running around a lot.
33:13He's not under pressure a lot. He's just not making decisions.
33:16You can excuse not attempting to throw the ball down the field a lot if you're just an absolute assassin underneath and setting guys up for yak.
33:25He's not doing that either. He is sitting there behind an offensive line that's playing fairly well right now and just not making decisions.
33:33He is opting out from the job of playing quarterback.
33:36The tape is bad for that reason. Not bad in the sense of taking bad sacks or throwing bad picks.
33:42Bad in the sense that he's not doing anything.
33:45Like, it's almost unsettling how little he is doing.
33:48And I think it's, to Zala's point, he doesn't want to make mistakes.
33:52And because he doesn't want to make mistakes, he's doing nothing.
33:56So he's just not even contributing offensively. That might be worse, right?
34:00Because I can kind of live with mistakes if you're still taking swings, right?
34:04If you're still going down fighting. He's not. And so the offense is just kind of existing.
34:10And this is such a weird problem to have.
34:12Yeah, that's the thing. Barely. Barely existing. And so it's a weird problem to have.
34:17And I don't. I don't recall the last time I ever saw something like this.
34:22Where a quarterback was out there, but it didn't feel like it.
34:26And Titans fans have been like, why haven't you guys talked about Tennessee?
34:30I don't know what to say. When you watch this team, they're just there.
34:35It's weird. I can remember a time, and it was Sam Darnold, when he said, I'm seeing ghosts.
34:40Right? This is Cam Ward being paralyzed. Paralysis by overanalysis.
34:44And the offensive line is playing better than last year.
34:47That's a very low bar to clear. But when they lose, they lose quickly because he has the fourth quickest time to
34:54pressure in the league this year among qualifying QBs.
34:57So when the pressure comes, it comes quickly. And he's thinking about it happening possibly before it does happen because we've seen this with other quarterbacks.
35:05You're not sure if you're getting pressure or not.
35:08And so you just assume you are. It's a little bit of the Jalen Hurts thing we talked about.
35:14Whereas if you don't trust it, it's not that you don't trust it on just the bad plays.
35:20You just also don't trust it on the good plays.
35:23So it looks the same. He has the 20 seconds slowest time to throw this year.
35:28And when you watch the tape, the way that it unfolds is unnerving.
35:32It looks as though he takes the ball, retreats, waits for everything to kind of play out because he's either not seeing
35:39it, not seeing it clearly, not wanting to make a mistake, whatever it is.
35:44He just doesn't do anything. And then he runs around and tries to make a play.
35:49Problem is usually, or at least last year, some of the time, all of that extra time to throw really translated into these bomber deep shots.
35:57And Cam Ward's got an amazing arm. He's not using it.
36:01So Dable, as the offensive coordinator, is, you know, noticeably frustrated because, again, he's drawing it up.
36:06Okay, you do this, this timing, you look here, then you look here, then you look here.
36:12None of that's happening. Like all that sort of burning and then Cam Ward's doing whatever it is he wants.
36:18And Dable boiled over after the late game interception last week, got caught on camera.
36:23And it's just not really functional because it's not, again, what Dable's drawing up or how the line's blocking it up.
36:29That stuff is there. It's not being executed by the guy that's touching the ball every single play.
36:35And when you compare how that looks, how Cam is playing right now on tape to both pre-snap and, you know, immediately post-snap.
36:43Compare that to what Case did. Case Keenum did against the Eagles, right?
36:47Complete command. He was an elite pre-snap communicator. Everybody knew.
36:50Pre-snap operation was clean. They were not late in the play clock.
36:54Everybody was online. Post-snap, like Case got free runners.
36:57He got guys that weren't accounted for. And he was able to quickly, again, within structure, get that ball out and not take any negative play.
37:05Now, Cam might, you know, twirl and avoid the sack, but then he's 8, 10, 12 yards in the backfield.
37:11It's now two and a half seconds into the play.
37:15He's outside the tackle box. All the routes have basically expired while he was doing that, and we're back to just chuck it up and see what happens.
37:24And the difference is just jarring to be able to see a ostensibly third-string quarterback come in, you know, agreed, one that's
37:31much more experienced, but run an operation that was that smooth and that clear, both pre-snap and immediately post-snap.
37:37And then you watch the pure muddiness of what's happening in Tennessee.
37:41And last year it was muddy, but at least it was exciting because Cam was making things happen when he bought that extra time.
37:48Now he's just kind of burning all the prime time for what's drawn up and then not delivering those big game-changing plays.
37:55So you're kind of left with, what is this?
37:58Last quarterback on the docket for today, Justin Herbert.
38:01This is an odd one, because how often do you see a quarterback that I think most people, even if you don't
38:08consider him tier one, firmly in tier two. And he's been that way since he got into the NFL.
38:14You know, there's been playoff mishaps, but if you just watch Justin Herbert, it's hard to find 14 quarterbacks you think are better than him.
38:22Until this year. This is not a tier one quarterback.
38:25This is not a tier two quarterback. I'm struggling to call him a tier three quarterback right now.
38:31He has been bad this year. The decision making has been atrocious.
38:35He's just throwing up YOLO picks and YOLO opportunities for defenses every single game.
38:39Like, literally every single game so far, he's had at least one attempt where I'm like, Justin, what the hell are you doing?
38:47Like, you're throwing it into double coverage. Not even, like, in a defensible way of, like, oh, I'm putting the ball in
38:54between the defender and the sideline, and I'm giving my guy a shot.
38:58It's like, no, he is throwing it down the seam to a route that has no shot of being open in between
39:05the corner and the safety, and he's getting picked off.
39:08And then giving this, like, nonchalance isn't the right word, but, well, maybe it is.
39:13Maybe nonchalance is the right word. Like, it doesn't look like he gives a shit that he's making bad decisions.
39:19It's very, I hate to invoke this name, Jay Cutler-y, right?
39:23Late Bears Jay Cutler, where when Jay would do that, he would throw those dumb picks and then just kind of be like, oh.
39:31It's like, what do you mean? That was a dumb throw, dude.
39:35Like, we're in a dogfight. It's a one-possession game.
39:37What the fuck are you doing making that throw?
39:40And he just, he can't help himself. It looks bad.
39:43It just looks bad. I've never seen him play like this.
39:47It's not good football. And for the longest time, we've been saying, and I mean we, the collective football media, have been
39:54saying, look, if Justin Herbert just has all the things, he'll be unstoppable.
39:58And it might be time to change that conversation to, he might just be what he is.
40:04And so what actually is that? And it's funny that you bring up Jay Cutler because Jay Cutler was the name I had in my notes.
40:12Insanely physically talented. We know that with Herbert. We've seen multiple, multiple seasons worth of plays like that.
40:18He's also tough as nails. He's been hit a ton.
40:21And Cutler was as well. He was an underrated tough guy.
40:24He got the hell beat out of him. He kept getting back in there.
40:29And they can make wild plays, you know, on the regular highlight plays, even though the odds are usually stacked against them.
40:36But just don't rise to the occasion as often as they need to.
40:40And then, to your point, this rot starts to creep into their game.
40:44They make some absolutely head-scratching killer mistakes. And those have been largely absent.
40:48Herbert's had them for sure. But if you look at them on volume for his total career, it's been pretty low.
40:55So, this year, it's not. So, you know, the Jay Cutler comparison, I think, is apt because of the high-end arm strength and mobility.
41:03Jay could really move. Herbert can move even better.
41:06They're insane, highlight-worthy plays. But they just make enough mistakes to have a career record right around 500.
41:12Almost exactly 500. Jay Cutler, for his entire career, was 75 and 80.
41:16That's a 484 winning percentage across 155 starts. Now, again, big sample size.
41:20And QB wins are, you know, wins are not a QB stat.
41:24But that stat tends to lie less when you're looking at a very large sample size, like Cutler's career.
41:30Well, Herbert is no longer a spring chicken. He is 52 and 48.
41:34We're talking about a guy that's played 100 regular season games.
41:37Yes, you can talk about the postseason struggles, and many people will.
41:41But that's 0 and 3. That's three games out of 100.
41:45If you're looking at the larger sample, the 100, he's right at the 50% mark.
41:50And you can say, oh, well, he hasn't had offensive line.
41:53Oh, he's had crappy offensive coordinators. And, oh, yeah, that's all true.
41:57But we're also now multiple years into a career.
42:00And maybe the best case scenario, as I was thinking about it, for Herbert is like Trevor Lawrence.
42:06We saw Trevor Lawrence with high-end physical tools, again, up and down, roller coaster, lack of consistency, but some really good moments.
42:13And we'd all say, aha, it's in there. That's what he can do.
42:17And it wasn't until Liam Cohen came along. And really the second half of the season last year where Liam Cohen came
42:24along, it looks like Trevor's picked right up where everybody goes, aha, that's the guy right there.
42:29And Matt Stafford is another name who in Detroit, everybody, you know, Pat Stadford and all that.
42:35He's never going to win anything. He was deep into his career, very physically talented.
42:40He's never going to win. Goes, meets up with Sean McVay, wins the Super Bowl the first year, becomes the MVP.
42:46Looks like one of the top five quarterbacks in football.
42:49Would Stafford change, like, physically as a quarterback? No.
42:52And so Herbert might just need to find that situation.
42:56And right now it doesn't look like Mike McDaniel is that situation because he's actually playing worse, not better.
43:02and that's the surprising part is i don't think mike mcdaniel can't call an offense it's just there's something there is something
43:09about herbert this year that is making him not we love arrogant arm talent but there is a line between arrogance and
43:16recklessness he is flat out reckless yeah if you're looking at attempts down the field it's actually the opposite problem of camp
43:23ward he's got way too much dip on his chip compared to camp ward over 10 yards past the line of scrimmage
43:30his adjusted completion percentage is 50 which is not great his yards per attempt is 10.1 which is good in a vacuum
43:37but you have to look at the rest of the stats along with it because yards per attempt can lie if you're
43:44just taking so many shots that you're getting all or nothing like the explosives can skew the yards per attempt stat but
43:51if you're just looking at touchdowns and picks he has one td and four picks when he's targeting 10 plus yards down
43:58the field his passer rating is 44.1 so you can't just take yards per attempt you have to look at everything else
44:05too and those stats paint a picture of he's just throwing it up there and hoping yeah or rather thinking oh i
44:12can hit that keyhole it's like not really man not against nfl safeties and you would think that that he would know
44:19that by now playing so many games in the nfl but he's hitting windows or rather attempting to hit windows that are
44:26just not possible even for him and i i don't know where this recklessness has come from because he's always been aggressive
44:33but not not to the detriment of his team like we talked all last year about how he was super safe with
44:40the ball and efficient even in the face of unbelievable pressure like he has a high pressure rate face this year but
44:47it's not nearly as bad as last year right right i'm not saying his offensive line's good but it's not as bad
44:54as last year but he's playing much worse yes and i i just who is this guy i don't i don't know
45:01who this is that's that's the problem is this is an enigma wrapped in a riddle right this is how how do
45:08we get the best out of this obviously very talented tough and you know up until now smart player and i mean
45:15smart on the football field right again uh aggressive but not foolish and seems to have tipped over that line this season
45:23so i'm gonna put a couple things out in the universe because let's just say the chargers crater because that is very
45:30very possible they have not had a hot start in the midst of doing it yeah they have not had a hot
45:37start and we've been talking about how difficult their schedule is over the next six to seven games it's an absolute meat
45:44grinder so there is a possibility that they're going to come out of that stretch like one and nine which in the
45:51nfl is dunzo you're you're not doing anything if you're one and nine in an nfl season so maybe there are some
45:58trades at the deadline maybe the staff gets fired now i don't think that's particularly likely but let's just say for the
46:05sake of argument chargers decide to move on and they interview two guys grant udinski and Declan Doyle oh please please Declan
46:12Doyle oh my god yeah i know ravens fans are like please god no right exactly but that's who i want maybe
46:19that's who i want and again would it work i can't say at this point for the the reason i said this
46:26is a riddle like you have this very talented guy who i've met a couple of times and as for the body
46:33language stuff he's a reserved guy he always has been highs and lows are are right down the middle he is not
46:40a he he doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve quite the opposite he he's even when things go really well he's
46:47like yeah okay guys and when things go really poorly he's like yeah that wasn't so good like he is he is
46:54not a fiery guy and he never has been that was the knock on him when we saw him at the senior
47:01bowl when we met right they were like can this guy really lead an offense does he have it it was very
47:08clear that his teammates were responding to him so i wasn't so worried about that not going to read a lot into
47:15the body language but the answer is i don't know what's best for him because i really thought the mcdaniel pairing was
47:22going to help him and it has done the opposite so what does he need to unlock like trevor or like matt
47:29stafford who was always a good quarterback but nobody was talking about matt stafford being a top five quarterback in the league
47:36when he was in detroit as a quarter as a guy playing quarterback i'm not talking about as a physical thrower of
47:43the football like the whole job description he wasn't a top five guy last year he was arguably top one like top
47:50five on my fantasy team that's for damn sure yeah well that was always the thing wasn't it but in order to
47:57get justin herbert on a winning track like off this whatever train track this is that's barreling towards a cliff like i
48:05i want to see that talent maximized and you might say well what needs to happen to make that happen and the
48:12answer is i don't know and i'm not sure anybody else does either but it's not this this whole episode has just
48:19been us airing grievances and not knowing how to fix them i've actually kind of feel bad because we said oh we're
48:26gonna tell you what's wrong i can't promise solutions though folks i could just point out uh the the crack in the
48:33windshield i don't know how to replace it so it's yeah it's rough it's rough out here for for fans of teams
48:40with bad quarterback play because in the middle of the season to your point it's it's hard to fix anything yeah when
48:47live bullies are flying you kind of have to wait for the bye week to take that breath and regroup and uh
48:54three weeks into the year i just yeah and all these spiraling and all these quarterbacks have played really good football right
49:01with cam ward in the past yeah cam ward played a lot of really good football in college jalen hurts obviously super
49:08bowl winner right uh justin herbert you go back and look at multiple times his rookie season was better than what he's
49:15doing right now by far uh baker you know in the early tampa years especially um all of these guys drake may
49:22last year's run was sensational and and maybe that's the curse is you get you know young quarterback starters who go farther
49:29deeper into the playoffs than maybe everybody thinks they should with like jalen daniels and then the wheels fell off drake may
49:36looks like the wheels have fallen off a little bit maybe it's just too much too soon but like all of these
49:43players are good players we're not we're not bagging on the players or their physical skills or or even their ceiling it's
49:50like how do you get them there because right now they're not playing anywhere close to it any of the five of
49:57these guys yeah the frustration comes from what we've seen in the past right and comparing the present to the past that's
50:04what's so annoying because we know what's in there we've seen it yes and it's just it's not happening um all right
50:11we're gonna end the show with shot of the week this was yet another competitive vote but i do acknowledge i cheated
50:18because one player got two plays on their nominee uh and that was jay shambaram he did win with 32 percent he
50:25wins for stuffing derrick henry i technically three times not even twice he got him three times in this game he got
50:32him twice in the goal line then later on third one threw a fullback jay shambaram uh was asked about it today
50:39by the way and uh reporter was like how do you feel about stuffing derrick henry he's like it's football that's right
50:47he's like you're not excited by that whatsoever he's like no it's football that's right it's my job okay it's what i'm
50:54here to psycho yeah it's like psycho in a good way by the way i love the fact that they have not
51:01tried to legislate that out of him because that was the best thing about his scouting report was the physical prowess and
51:08the fact that he just played with his hair on fire he would unleash it right he would you want a guy
51:15to hit guys like jay shambaram was hitting guys all the time it was not like oh once every five games he
51:22opens it up so we know it's in there no like several times per quarter he lights somebody up and whether that's
51:29a you know a pulling guard fullback or whatever like they've just been like nope jay shambaram just keep doing that man
51:36like the guys are bigger but you're you're pretty darn big just roll and he is he's already playing fast and that's
51:43so cool to see for a rookie so i deeply appreciate it here's jay shambaram i don't know what you have i
51:50already took my shot so here's my empty glass toast what'd you have uh you know classic wooden bill there you go
51:57the six year not not anything fancy but still my only shot of the day but still incredibly solid of course of
52:04course all right that'll wrap up today's show we'll be back obviously in a few days to recap week four and uh
52:11hopefully be able to talk about some better quarterback performances from these guys we'll see what happens but thank you once again
52:18for watching thank you to our sponsors thank you to all of our patrons especially our executive producers on patreon fitzy connor
52:25kels mike owen eiken stewart and major thank you all once again thank you to everybody who voted on the patreon for
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