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The Anatomy of an Upset

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1 hr 11 min
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Sep 30, 2026
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Wed, September 30, 2026
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Brock BowersColston LovelandDerrick HenryJ.J. McCarthyLamar JacksonTrey McBrideAaron RodgersAlvin KamaraBaker MayfieldBo NixBrock PurdyBryce LanceBucky IrvingCeeDee Lamb
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Aaron Rodgers

PositiveUsage19:00

Rodgers finally threw the ball downfield against Cincinnati, posting a 3.19-second time to throw (second-highest as a Steeler) and completing 11 of 21 passes on dropbacks longer than 2.5 seconds for 213 yards at 10.1 yards per attempt—possibly his highest YPA as a Steeler. He had 15 attempts of at least 10 yards downfield (most as a Steeler), three touchdowns, and one interception. The source states: 'They finally opened it up, right?' after fans had been 'begging them to do' this for the entire 2025 season.

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Alvin Kamara

NegativeMatchup76:22

Alvin Kamara was blown up in the backfield by Raiders linebacker Nekobe Dean, who fired through the gap and met Kamara in the hole with an old-school, physical tackle that knocked him off his feet.

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Baker Mayfield

NegativeMatchup74:48

Baker Mayfield was dumped by Vikings linebacker Eric Wilson on a play where Wilson caved in the middle of the offensive line, ran through the rubble, and delivered a sack; this was a visually stunning defensive execution that highlighted the Vikings' interior pressure.

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Bo Nix

NegativeProjection53:00

Bo Nix's inconsistency across four quarters is a significant concern; in the Broncos-Rams game, he was 13 of 25 (52%) for 3.9 yards per attempt in the first three quarters with largely inefficient play, then 4 of 9 with 9.9 yards per attempt in the fourth quarter. The source notes that 60 of his 89 fourth-quarter yards came on back-to-back throws on the final scoring drive, meaning without those two throws his night was 'bad.' The broader pattern is that Nix plays poorly for three quarters and relies on his defense to keep games close, then makes crucial throws in the fourth quarter; this dichotomy is unsustainable and the source expresses frustration that he cannot play efficiently for all four quarters consistently.

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Brock Bowers

PositiveRole37:31

Bowers returned in his first game with new head coach and was incredibly entertaining and effective. Only 8 of his 33 routes were from tight alignments; the rest were wide or slot. He was targeted 13 times and ran a ton of great routes, made a bunch of tough contested catches, and was really the engine of the Raiders' offense. The source argues he should be called a wide receiver, not a tight end, based on alignment data, and notes his eventual contract extension will be fascinating because his agent will ask for receiver money while the team lists him as a tight end.

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PositiveRole42:17

Brock Bowers' production and role as a receiver-tight end hybrid creates significant contract negotiation implications; when healthy and on the field, he is described as unstoppable and very difficult to contain, similar to his college performance. His first game with the Raiders produced 10 catches for 116 yards and a touchdown, and the source notes the head coach prioritizes getting him on the field because of the offensive possibilities his skill set creates.

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Brock Purdy

PositiveProjection12:00

Purdy is putting up MVP-caliber numbers through three weeks: third in completion percentage over expectation at +7.5%, second in yards per attempt at 9.5, first in passer rating at 133.1, and first in EPA per play at 0.63—nearly 50% higher than second place (0.44). He has nine touchdowns and one interception with a 22.5% pressure rate, the lowest of any QB with 50+ dropbacks. The source states: 'this is MVP numbers right here. If they sustain it for a large stretch of the season, he's going to be an MVP front runner because this is ridiculous.'

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Bryce Lance

NegativeUsage38:58

Lance got open three times in the Raiders-Saints game but Shuck didn't hit him on any of those plays. The source notes there were two big explosive plays and another solid gain that went uncompleted, suggesting missed opportunities in the Saints' offensive attack.

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Bucky Irving

NegativeMatchup74:48

Bucky Irving was railroaded on a pass-protection rep against the Vikings' Eric Wilson, getting run over in a situation where he had no realistic chance to win; with two Vikings screaming down the middle, Irving was going to get run over regardless, but Wilson was the one who delivered the finishing blow for the sack.

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CeeDee Lamb

PositiveProjection60:00

CeeDee Lamb made plays in the Cowboys-Ravens game in Rio, contributing to the Cowboys' offensive performance in what was described as an early contender for game of the year.

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Chris Olave

NegativeMatchup44:09

Chris Olave was targeted on a difficult third-and-six play call in the Buccaneers-Raiders game where he was splitting two safeties but angling toward the boundary safety; the quarterback would have needed to make an extremely difficult throw to get him back inside, and the play design put the offense in a position where all three route options were more than five yards past the sticks, leading to an interception.

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Colston Loveland

PositiveUsage42:11

The source jokingly mentions Loveland in the context of tight ends who might benefit from Brock Bowers' contract extension precedent, but notes sarcastically that Loveland hasn't caught a football or gotten a target yet. The source says 'if he could ever catch a football catch or target at all target would be nice by the way catches,' suggesting Loveland has not been involved in the Bears offense.

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NegativeRole42:22

Colston Loveland's inability to generate consistent target volume is a concern; the source humorously notes that if he could 'catch a football catch or target at all target would be nice,' highlighting his lack of involvement in the Raiders offense despite being a tight end in a system where Brock Bowers is receiving receiver-scale production.

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Dak Prescott

PositiveProjection60:00

Dak Prescott showed out in the Cowboys-Ravens game in Rio; the source notes he is an MVP hopeful who had a strong performance in what was described as an early contender for game of the year.

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David Njoku

PositiveRole30:39

Njoku was sensational in the Commanders' upset of Seattle, running great routes and making tough contested catches as part of the Commanders' offensive attack. The source highlights him as part of the good football both teams played in this game.

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Denzel Boston

NegativeUsage15:00

Boston is one of the young receivers the Browns have taken deep shots to in their recent wins, though the source notes these deep attempts have been infrequent. The Browns' offense has been built around short air yards (4.9 average) and yards-after-catch efficiency rather than vertical passing, with Boston receiving limited but notable deep-ball opportunities.

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Derrick Henry

NegativeMatchup60:00

Derrick Henry was stopped twice on goal line carries in the Cowboys-Ravens game in Rio; the Cowboys defense got a fourth down goal line stop on Henry, and then stopped him again on a third and one a few plays later through a fullback, limiting his scoring opportunities in the game.

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NegativeMatchup76:08

Derrick Henry was stopped twice by Ravens linebacker Jason Barham—once on a goal-line carry and once on a third-and-one situation—highlighting the Ravens' ability to shut down Henry's power running in short-yardage situations.

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Harold Fannin

PositiveRole15:00

Fannin was key to the Browns' win over Carolina, implied to be central to their yards-after-catch passing game strategy. The source notes that the short air yards (4.9 average) passing attack is 'very much been a yards-after-catch based passing game,' with Fannin as the primary beneficiary of this scheme.

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J.J. McCarthy

NegativeProjection0:00

McCarthy is one of four first-round QBs in the past 25 years to start 10 or fewer games for the team that drafted him, joining Paxton Lynch, Trey Lance, and Johnny Manziel—a historically poor cohort. His stats were described as 'terrible, terrible,' bouncing off the bottom in multiple important statistical categories, making a significant turnaround unlikely. He has one more shot based on first-round status, but if he doesn't play well, he'll be labeled a miss.

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NegativeInjury4:00

McCarthy missed his entire rookie season and returned with a persisting ankle injury in year two, plus other injuries that kept him banged up throughout the year. He wasn't healthy in the offseason either. The source notes that you can't develop a quarterback who is hurt that much, especially a young, inexperienced player who needs reps to improve.

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Jalen Hurts

NegativeRole27:37

The source mentions JSN (Jalen Hurts' teammate) carving up Seattle's defense early in the Commanders game, suggesting the Eagles' offense was performing well, though the focus is primarily on the Commanders' upset rather than Hurts' specific performance.

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Javonte Williams

PositiveProjection60:00

Javante Williams looked like vintage Javante Williams from North Carolina in the Cowboys-Ravens game in Rio; the source notes he looks legitimately faster this year, suggesting improved performance and efficiency compared to previous seasons.

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Jaylen Warren

PositiveUsage22:22

Warren had a breakout performance against Cincinnati with multiple explosive runs, including several 25-30+ yard gains; he recorded 11 carries for 108 yards (9.8 yards per carry) to the left side of the Steelers' line, with seven of those 11 carries attacking Dexter Lawrence. The source notes this was the pop and explosiveness they hadn't seen in the first couple of weeks, and every time they looked up Warren was busting off good six, seven, eight-yard gains with occasional 25-30 yard runs.

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Lamar Jackson

PositiveProjection64:00

Lamar Jackson was highly efficient in the Cowboys-Ravens game in Rio despite limited pass attempts; he completed 15 of 20 for 186 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions for a 136.7 rating. The source notes that while the stats don't blow you away, watching the game reveals how good he really was, especially getting out of trouble and making the right decisions with precise ball placement.

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PositiveProjection74:22

Through the first three weeks, Lamar Jackson has been tremendously sharp and efficient; he completed 15 of 20 passes for 186 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions for a 136.7 passer rating against the Ravens' Week 3 opponent. The source notes his ball placement is 'otherworldly,' his accuracy rivals Mario Mahomes on tight-window throws, and he's been executing at an elite level week-in and week-out under new offensive coordinator Declan Doyle, not only picking up where he left off with previous coordinator Monken but potentially ascending further.

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Marcus Mariota

PositiveUsage28:48

Mariota was very good across from Sam Darnold in the Commanders' upset of Seattle, making tight window throws repeatedly against a Hawks defense that doesn't allow much space. The source notes his execution on those throws into tight windows was what made the Commanders' offense work despite lackluster overall offensive statistics. Mariota also changed a critical play at the line on third-and-long late in the game, seeing the blitz and adjusting the back to a run around the end that barely worked and sealed the game.

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Pat Bryant

NegativeMatchup48:00

Pat Bryant drew a pass interference penalty in the Broncos-Rams game by selling contact through acting; the source notes that while the refs were fooled by Bryant's flailing, they don't have the benefit of replay for PI calls (which was removed after Al Riveron torpedoed the review system), so the refs' mistake is understandable even if incorrect.

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Roman Wilson

PositiveUsage20:00

Wilson was the target on a big downfield ball from Rodgers in the Steelers' win over Cincinnati, part of the team's newly aggressive vertical passing attack.

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Sam Darnold

PositiveProjection27:37

Darnold returned from injury against Seattle and was incredibly sharp from the start, not rusty at all. He was particularly effective on tight window throws, going 3-for-4 for 40 yards and a touchdown with 10.0 yards per attempt on tight window throws and a 128 rating. His completion percentage over expected on tight windows was 44.4%, which the source calls ridiculous since that number typically declines under pressure or into tight windows but jumped 40+ percentage points. The source credits his execution on tight window throws as what made the Commanders' upset win possible.

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Trey McBride

NegativeValue42:22

Trey McBride's contract expectations are affected by Brock Bowers' receiver-scale compensation; if Bowers receives top receiver money despite the tight end designation, other agents for tight ends like McBride would use that precedent to justify raises for their clients.

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PositiveRole75:08

Trey McBride delivered a standout physical play this week with a pile-driver stiff arm that impressed the source; he's among the top shot-of-the-week nominees for the sheer force and impact of the play, demonstrating his willingness and ability to move the chains through physicality.

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Tyler Warren

NegativeValue42:22

Tyler Warren is mentioned as an up-and-coming tight end whose contract expectations could be influenced by Brock Bowers' receiver-scale compensation; if Bowers sets a precedent for tight ends receiving top receiver money, Warren's future negotiating position would be strengthened.

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Zay Flowers

PositiveProjection60:00

Zay Flowers looked 'all the way back' in the Cowboys-Ravens game in Rio, indicating a return to full health and performance after previous injury concerns.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00And just like that, 9 is no longer a Viking.
0:03J.J. McCarthy has been traded to the Giants. That is where we start our show today.
0:08Happened shortly before we started recording. Well, not shortly, a few hours before we started recording.
0:13The trade terms are a fifth-round pick going from New York to Minnesota in exchange for J.J.
0:19McCarthy, who is now in year three. So one, I guess if you count the fifth-year option, two more years where the
0:26Giants can evaluate what he even is at this point.
0:29Is he a viable backup for long-term? Can he even be, you know, maybe rehabilitated and traded for even higher draft capital down the line?
0:37I guess we'll see. But for now, EJ, your reaction.
0:40Ugh, not great. If we're looking at this historically, Kevin Seifert from ESPN posted this.
0:45According to Elias Sports Bureau, J.J. McCarthy is one of four first-round QBs in the past 25 years to start 10 or
0:52fewer games for the team that drafted him. The others?
0:55This is not the neighborhood you want to be in.
0:58Paxton Lynch, Trey Lance, and Johnny Manziel. So, yeah, not a list you want to be on for that reason.
1:04Obviously, there's some Harbaugh-to-Harbaugh intel here. You know, one brother had him in college and was one of his biggest supporters, is
1:11still one of his biggest supporters, was able to talk to his brother, who's now the coach at the Giants, and say,
1:18hey, this is what you're getting if you go after it.
1:22Giants, obviously in need. A couple of games at Jameis has been quite enough for them.
1:27Now they say that, you know, J.J. McCarthy's coming in as a backup.
1:31Sure, sure, of course, we'll see. But Jameis hadn't exactly played the lights out in the last couple of weeks.
1:37So, I get it. My Giants fans' friends are not thrilled about this for multiple reasons, but it is only a fifth.
1:44And the Vikings, on the other hand, clear up the uncertainty of having J.J.
1:49in the locker room. They also clear $4.6 million in cash for this year and next combined.
1:54They get a 2027 fifth. They do absorb $3.18 million worth of dead cap for next year.
2:00That's just prorated signing bonus from J.J. So, it's basically a wash, but it does sort of wash their hands of J.J.
2:07McCarthy and let them move on with the quarterbacks that they have now.
2:11So, it'll be fascinating to see. We've seen talented quarterbacks hit different destinations and thrive or learn some things that they needed to know.
2:18I have less hope that that's going to happen in this case because J.J.'s stats were terrible, terrible.
2:24They were not just like middling or, hey, he's got to learn some things.
2:28He was bouncing off the bottom in multiple, I would say, very important statistical categories.
2:33That kind of turnaround we haven't seen. But, again, he's got some time here.
2:38I would say he doesn't have a ton of pressure.
2:41It is the New York media market, so there's going to be some pressure for sure.
2:46But, look, anywhere you go in the league, people are going to be watching.
2:50He needs to play well if he wants his career to continue.
2:54He's probably got one more shot just based on that first-round status tag.
2:58Draft capital does travel with you throughout your career.
3:01But if he doesn't play well, everybody's going to say, look, it just didn't work out.
3:06He's a miss. And this is his shot whenever he gets it, whether it's sooner, which I would hope not for his sake.
3:13He does have to learn the offense and get used to his teammates.
3:18I would hope that he gets a shot somewhere down the line to get on the field and show people that really
3:25liked him in the draft what maybe he has to offer in the NFL.
3:29But I'm not going to put folding money on that.
3:32The thing that I find interesting is if you watch the Vikings this weekend, it's not like they were getting quarterback play that was sufficient as it is.
3:41Right? Kyler hasn't exactly looked great. We know what Wentz is.
3:44They don't have the quarterback situation settled. And they still traded J.J.
3:48McCarthy. And you can interpret that one of two ways.
3:51Either they think he is so bad that he still can't beat out what they have, which in itself is concerning.
3:58Or they feel that it's just not going to work in Minnesota, even if it might work for him eventually.
4:04Which does kind of bring that old O'Connell quote back around of organizations fail quarterbacks, more than quarterbacks fail organizations.
4:11I sort of see that as true. But I think if you're looking at McCarthy specifically, you can't really develop a guy that's hurt that much.
4:19Right? You miss your entire rookie season. You come back out your next season.
4:23You have a persisting ankle injury. In addition, I think he had a couple other things as well.
4:29It just felt like he was banged up the entire year.
4:33You know, wasn't healthy this summer either. I just, you can't get better if you're not on the field, particularly at the quarterback position.
4:40And especially for a young guy who already was, you know, inexperienced as it is.
4:45So I think they realize, hey, we're in year three.
4:48We're so far behind the developmental timeline. Let's just redo this thing with a new prospect.
4:53We'll let the Giants do what they think they can with him.
4:57But I think Minnesota realized like, hey, we have a really good team.
5:01We don't have time to develop this kid anyway.
5:04Right? So I think they're just kind of continuously cycle through veterans.
5:08If Kyler doesn't work out, they'll figure out another veteran next year.
5:12I really do think that's where the Vikings are right now is we have too good of a team to do the
5:19rookie developmental thing, at least with a high pick.
5:21Maybe they'll invest in a day two pick in this upcoming draft.
5:25But I think they are so far beyond that at this point.
5:29It does kind of feel almost Colts-ish. I was going to say.
5:33In fact, it's almost exactly Colts-ish because they did the same thing with Anthony Richardson after a whole bunch of vets and Anthony didn't work out.
5:41And then they got a vet in Daniel Jones.
5:44And then Daniel Jones got hurt. But these two franchises kind of mirror each other to the point where I wouldn't be
5:51shocked if they just take that fifth round pick and give it to the Colts for Anthony Richardson just to see.
5:58Yeah, it can't be a whole lot worse. Again, some marriages in the NFL are just not going to work for whatever reason.
6:05And people will want to assign blame. Some folks will say J is not that good.
6:10Some folks will say KOC is not the quarterback whisperer that he was promised to be.
6:15Like that kind of doesn't matter anymore because Minnesota as an organization with a new GM, who again was not attached to J.J.
6:22McCarthy, said, nope, we're going to clear our decks of this player, of this contract, of this issue.
6:28And we're going to move forward now. To your point, they don't know exactly where that's going to be because Kyler didn't exactly set the world on fire.
6:37Far from it. Wentz has been middling at best.
6:40So it's not like they were like, oh, oh, we're good.
6:43We just don't need him. It was, hey, we think we can leverage this for a pick.
6:49And at the same time, sort of move on organizationally.
6:52So J.J. is not sitting over there in the corner and people are going, well, what about the kid?
6:58Should we give him another shot? They obviously didn't want that.
7:01And they chose this as the path to take.
7:04Right or wrong? Time will tell. We'll see if J.J.
7:07blossoms somewhere else. Maybe it'll come back to haunt them.
7:11But in general, for now, for where they're at, I don't blame their new GM for saying, yeah, we're going to take
7:18what we can get and move on. To be clear, they do need a quarterback.
7:22They're just saying they don't need him to be the quarterback, which I think is a different sentiment altogether.
7:28Now, as for the rest of this show, the show we originally planned, it was all about underdogs, EJ, because we had
7:35a lot of underdogs that either almost won this week or outright won this week.
7:40I don't know what I finished on picks because Trev and I over on NFL Pro have a competition every single week.
7:47I feel like both of us probably did pretty bad because I don't think any of us picked any of these underdogs
7:54to win, and yet all of them did. Yeah.
7:57Teams that were struggling, that were considered underdogs, heading into this weekend roared back.
8:01And we talked about many of these teams over the past couple of weeks.
8:06These teams that were trending towards looking like they were having a problem this season.
8:10They sort of righted their wrongs, and we're going to talk about why.
8:15We're going to call this one Who Let the Dogs Out and talk about specific reasons that each of these teams that won this weekend actually did.
8:23What changed for them after two weeks of not looking great?
8:27And then at the end, we're going to talk about the Brazil game.
8:31Hold your horses. We know that's an instant classic.
8:34That'll be our capper to get out of the show.
8:37But to get started, Browns, Steelers, Commanders, Raiders, and Broncos were all underdogs.
8:41I want to talk about the Cardinals for a minute, though, because they didn't win.
8:46They were also underdogs. But they gave the 3-0, now 3-0 Niners, all they could handle.
8:51And it's pretty impressive because the Niners are operating at a level of efficiency I feel like we need to point out.
8:58So Josh Dubow posted this on Blue Sky. 49ers have scored TDs on 48.2% of their possessions this season.
9:04For the highest rate through three games since at least 2000, which for those of you counting at home, and I know
9:11this is painful, that's a quarter century ago. That's a lot of years at this point.
9:16I know. Hurts. Previous high was the Dolphins at 47.2% in 2023.
9:20So a full percentage point lower. 49ers are clipping along.
9:23And all the storyline about the 49ers is all the players that aren't playing for them.
9:28All their wide receivers are off the field. Trent left this week with an injury.
9:33Like, he looks like he's going to be back.
9:35But all these players that the 49ers are missing, they're still scoring at the highest rate in 25 years in the league.
9:42And Cardinals only lost by six. LeFleur had them pressing to win this game.
9:47And they did, to their credit, to the Niners' credit.
9:50But again, sort of like all these other teams were talking about, the storyline preseason for the Cardinals was tank-a-thon.
9:56That was it. They're just going to try and not win.
10:00They're going to hold Africa. LeFleur's come out and said, anything but.
10:04We're going to win with this group one way or another.
10:07Obviously, the other teams on that list, including the Raiders, had similar storylines in the offseason.
10:12They found a way to really sort of light it up this week and turn around the narrative, if nothing else.
10:19All these other teams got a W out of it.
10:22But Cardinals deserve to mention. I mean, the NFC West, three out of four teams in the NFC West are three of
10:29the six best teams in football, maybe even five best teams in football.
10:33And the fact that in two of the Cardinals' first three games, they hung tough with Seattle.
10:39That was a one-possession game deep into the second half.
10:42And then Seattle did Seattle stuff and just kind of pulled away.
10:46But they hung tough with them and they hung tough with the Niners.
10:50These are two teams that we expect, if the Niners stay healthy and if the Seahawks stay healthy, to be, you know,
10:57right there at the end of the season with the Rams fighting for, you know, supremacy in the NFC.
11:03Like all three of these teams are probably, if not the favorites, pretty damn close to being the favorites to reaching the
11:10Super Bowl out of their conference and they're all in the same division.
11:14Cards played two of the three already and were competitive.
11:17So I think this is a very solid Cardinals team.
11:20We actually said that over summer that this roster is a lot better than people think.
11:25It's just, you know, they have a deficiency at quarterback or maybe deficiency is not the right way to say it.
11:32But like Jacoby Brissett against Brock Purdy is not really a fair comparison.
11:36But you drop a really capable or even just like slightly above average, slightly above league average starting quarterback on this Cardinals
11:43team and they'd be a real threat. Like it's a good roster and they seem to be pretty well coached.
11:49It's just, they went up against a buzzsaw this week and that buzzsaw is Brock Purdy and Kyle Shanahan.
11:55Like Brock is, he's just been unbelievable this year.
11:58And I would say it's a continuation of what happened when he came back from injury last year.
12:04Because when Brock got back, I think we pointed this out in the Niners episode in the summer series, their scoring drive percentage was 55%.
12:12They were the most efficient offense by far when Brock got back.
12:16It's just, they were so beat up on defense that, you know, and really they're beat up everywhere that by the end
12:23of the season, they just kind of ran out of guys when they had to play against their own division in the playoffs.
12:30But like Brock was, he was sensational in the back half of 2025 and he's been just as sensational, if not more
12:37so in the first three weeks of 2026 among all quarterbacks with at least 50 dropbacks so far this year, which is
12:44a lot of them because we're three games in.
12:47He is third in completion percentage over expectation. That's from next gen stats at plus 7.5%, meaning his completion percentage is seven
12:54and a half percent higher than what it quote unquote should be for the types of throws that he's making.
13:00He is second in yards per attempt at 9.5.
13:03He is first in passer rating at 133.1. He is first in EPA per drop back at 0.63.
13:09Imagine every time your quarterback is dropping back, your score on the little ticker on TV just goes up by, you know,
13:15a sixth of a point or no, six tenths of a point.
13:19Like that, that is massive. Like second place in the entire league is 0.44.
13:24He's at 0.63. Like he's damn near 50% over second place.
13:27That is a ridiculous number. Nine touchdowns, only one pick.
13:30A 22.5% pressure rate face. That's the one qualifier.
13:33He has the lowest pressure rate of any quarterback with at least 50 drop backs.
13:38So his offensive line is playing very well this year.
13:41Even after Trent got a stinger, they were, they were playing great.
13:45But to see what he's doing with that low pressure rate, like this is, this is MVP numbers right here.
13:51If they sustain it for a large stretch of the season, he's going to be an MVP front runner because this is ridiculous.
13:59Yeah. With a lot of his guys on the bench.
14:02In fact, I had to chuckle when you said if they stay healthy because something came up this week for the 49ers
14:09that I don't know that I've heard of before.
14:12They're considering not putting Bosa on IR because they're running out of IR spots.
14:16I didn't even know that was a thing. Me neither.
14:19And the 49ers are the ones that show. Even the Niners haven't done that before.
14:24Right. So you're like, if they stay healthy, I was like, buddy, how could they be less healthy?
14:30They're running out of IR spots, which neither one of us knew was a thing.
14:34I think a lot of people were introduced to that concept this week.
14:39And Brock is still putting up these numbers. So the Brock and Kyle Shanahan, mind meld marriage, whatever you want to call
14:46it, is so incredibly effective that when they're both there, regardless of the supporting cast, and Kyle's done this before when running
14:53backs have gone down, when offensive linemen have gone down, he just doesn't really stop.
14:57As long as Brock and Kyle Shanahan are together, this team's going to put up a ton of points.
15:03And it's amazing to watch it happen, the precision with which they do it.
15:08To me, it makes it even more impressive that the Cardinals were able to hang in this game and really be competitive
15:15and have a chance to win it. That's really, really impressive.
15:18Now, as for the underdogs that are actually winning their games, we'll start with the Browns, who just beat Carolina this week.
15:25They are 2-1 on the season. They've won two straight.
15:28And the way that they've won the last two games just fascinates me.
15:32Because their average air yards per attempt is 4.9, which is crazy short.
15:37It's very much been a yards-after-catch based passing game.
15:39They've taken a couple shots here and there down the field to their young receivers, primarily Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion.
15:46But they've tried to win on efficiency. They've tried to, you know, weaponize what has been a resurgent defense over the last
15:53couple weeks to give them better field position and also, you know, try to respond with sevens when the defense holds teams to threes.
16:01That was a consistent theme of this game as well.
16:04Carolina started out with four straight field goals as far as the points that they scored.
16:09Didn't get a touchdown until really late in this game.
16:12But those field goals were from the Cleveland 17, the Cleveland 22, and that was after Carolina recovered a fumble, by the way.
16:19So they started with the turnover and then, you know, basically went four plays and then had to kick from the 22.
16:26Then the Cleveland 35. Interestingly, NGS said Carolina should have gone for that one, but they kicked.
16:32And then finally from the Cleveland 19. So you could get to about the top of the Browns red zone and that was about it.
16:40They were holding you to threes. They weren't letting you get sevens.
16:43So Cleveland was just kind of in this war the entire time trying to out-efficiency a team that last year out-efficiencyed everybody.
16:50So it was it was just fascinating to me.
16:53Like, is it sustainable in the long term? Probably not.
16:56Right? You can't win that many ball games throwing the ball 4.9 yards down the field.
17:02But when you have seven different players getting three plus pressures in this game, you have Jared Verse teeing up Mason Graham to have a great game.
17:10It's just good complete team football. And if you play good complete team football, you can win games like that one.
17:17A, I will not tolerate the Harold Fannin Jr.
17:20erasure, but we'll talk about that in a moment.
17:22B, the Cleveland defense. I said they got yards after catch.
17:26That's just implied to be Harold Fannin. I'm literally talking about him without talking about him.
17:31I know. We should say his name. He was key in this game for Cleveland, but not the reason they won it.
17:38Back to the defense. Jared versus power with miles off that line.
17:42His power is the special asset, the trump card along that four or five, you know, that group of four or five rushers.
17:49And to Cleveland's credit, they are leveraging that even when he's not getting home using his power himself.
17:55Like you said, he's making big dents in the offensive line that other players are taking advantage of and that's complimentary complimentary football within the defense.
18:03So they are finding ways to win based on the way they're built.
18:07Is it going to last against teams that play better defense or, you know, create more turnovers or create more pressure?
18:14Probably not, but, you know, they could change their offense yet again.
18:18Todd Mocken still getting this group up to speed, but they are finding a way to win with what they have.
18:24Again, playing the games on their schedule that they didn't set.
18:28Credit to Cleveland for finding ways to make it work.
18:31You need to do that during an NFL season, but I'm with you.
18:35The real rubber hits the road moment is when they run into more quality opponents down the line.
18:41Can they up their offensive output? Because again, defense is bend but don't break and honestly, not even bend that far.
18:47If you're letting people into about the 25, you're doing a great job enforcing threes and that allows you to stay in
18:54the game even if your offense has been, let's just call it what it has been, moribund.
19:00It has not been great. It's been fits and starts, few sort of deep shots to Denzel Boston, but I do mean
19:07few and other than that, they're just sort of chipping away, banging away with a run game, four-ish yards a pop.
19:13It's an interesting start for the Browns and again, not one that most people, including us, predicted.
19:19Now, also in the AFC North, the Steelers won this week in a game that I really did not think was going to be that close.
19:27I thought the Bengals were going to wax this team.
19:30So consider this my mea culpa. I was wrong on this one.
19:34They did it in the exact opposite way. In fact, they did something that we've been begging them to do for pretty
19:41much the entire last year than Aaron Rodgers has been there, right, since the start of 2025 season.
19:47They threw the ball down the field. This comes from Ben Solak.
19:51Aaron Rodgers had a 3.19 second time to throw today.
19:54Second highest as a Steeler. The only other time he had a higher time to throw was ironically also against the Bengals last year.
20:01On dropbacks, longer than two and a half seconds.
20:04He was 11 of 21 for 213 yards, 10.1 yards per attempt.
20:08I don't know if he's ever reached 10.1 yards per attempt as a Steeler.
20:12He had three touchdowns and one pick and he had 15 attempts at least 10 yards down the field, which we were begging him to do.
20:21That was his most as a Steeler as well.
20:24So they finally opened it up, right? You hit a big ball to Roman Wilson.
20:28You hit a really crafty touchdown to Ben Skoranek where they faked him as an insert.
20:33Hard play action fake. Everybody got drawn up. He just took off and hit the vertical behind everybody.
20:39Like super, I don't want to say genius, but just nifty design kind of playing off everybody's tendencies for using these receivers as inserts on the run.
20:48Love that from them. Mike McCarthy, credit to you.
20:50Called yourself a hell of a game. I also want to bring up special teams.
20:55Cincinnati special teams was atrocious in this game, which in a way, leaving the door open for the Steelers isn't the right
21:02way to phrase it, but I feel like if Cincinnati special teams just was league average in this game, they still possibly
21:09could have won, but when you have a critical roughing the kicker penalty, which then gives the Steelers another opportunity to get
21:16a touchdown, which they did get a touchdown, and then you have a muff later in the game, which sets up the Steelers again for another scoring opportunity.
21:25You just can't win football games that way, even if you are quote unquote the favorite, like you can't be given away extra possessions like that.
21:33So their special teams was atrocious. They've now lost 6.4 EPA on special teams this season, which is second worst in the league.
21:41When you also factor in the explosive play rate that Cincinnati's given up, you know, we like their defensive line, but their secondary has got got this year.
21:49You just can't give up that many explosives through the air and be that bad on special teams.
21:55Like, pick a struggle, right? Like, you're going to lose to the Steelers if you do that.
22:01So, a combination of great game by Pittsburgh, mostly terrible game by Cincinnati outside of a few, you know, standouts.
22:07Like, Amarius Mims is just unbelievable. But, yeah, it's classic AFC North football, the team that we didn't expect to win won,
22:14and I feel like at this point we probably should expect that from the AFC North.
22:19It happens almost every time. Yeah, Steelers offensive explosion and the offensive line playing better, those two things were integral.
22:25Jalen Warren in this game, bunch of long runs, and they didn't even all count.
22:30A couple of them came back due to penalty, but he looked extremely explosive.
22:34Again, been big fans of his, but we haven't seen that pop over the first couple of weeks, and every time I
22:41looked up at this game, Jalen Warren was busting off, you know, good six, seven, eight-yard gains, and then occasionally 25, 30 and farther.
22:49Which, by the way, just one side note on that, those were at Dexter Lawrence.
22:54If you're looking at the run splits in terms of left versus right, they ran left 65% of the time in this
23:01game, which they were starting a new right side of the line.
23:05You can kind of understand that. 11 carries for $1.08 to the left.
23:09That's 9.8 yards per carry, and I want to say seven out of those 11 were at Dexter Lawrence.
23:15Like, even that big 30-yarder, you know, it was Mason and Fatanu that scooped Dexter.
23:19Like, they went right at him and won. You compare that to the week before where Dexter, like, shut down the Texans run game by himself.
23:28The Steelers were like, nah, we think we can take you.
23:31We have a young, talented offensive line. Like, this game, to me, was like the Steelers offensive line coming out party.
23:38This is what it was supposed to look like the entire time.
23:42Nah, I completely agree. and Max Ahanachor had a coming out party as well.
23:46We were big fans of his because of his massive potential.
23:50Everybody said, oh, I mean, saw him move with the combine and on tape.
23:54He had some very, very special reps and everybody said, oh, well, he's raw.
23:58And it's like, nope, he's inexperienced, but he does some things that are very polished from an offensive line standpoint.
24:05He just hasn't done them a ton. So, you know, inexperienced is one thing.
24:09Raw means you've got all kinds of physical gifts and you're just all over the place.
24:14You don't know what you're doing. He was not raw and he's showing that, again, he is getting up to speed extremely quickly.
24:22We're talking about game three of your pro career and you basically shut out the opposition.
24:27He had a very, very good game against Dave Bengals, you know, defensive pass rush that we just talked about in last
24:34week's pod at length and, you know, they're a tough unit to handle this year.
24:38I know it hasn't been the case in years past.
24:42It is this year. Here comes a rookie and he basically shuts it down for all the one-on-ones that he got.
24:48It was a very, very good game for the Pittsburgh offensive line.
24:52Yeah, per next-gen stats, Ihanachor, nickname IMAX because he's big and he's awesome.
24:5627 one-on-one pass blocking reps in this game. Only three pressures given up and even then I would argue against two of them.
25:03If I was just personally charting it, I would say one pressure but that's just me.
25:09He was great. Like, we said not just at the time during the draft but we also repeated it multiple times throughout summer.
25:16The Steelers got lucky that the Makai Lemon thing happened because they needed somebody to force them to eat their vegetables and
25:23I feel like Howie Roseman forced them to eat their vegetables.
25:26Makai Lemon was not going to fix this offense.
25:29They needed a real solution at right tackle because at the time we weren't sure what was going to happen with Broderick Jones and his neck.
25:37You got Fah Tanu who is great when he was on the field.
25:42He also had some injury issues as well. You needed a real solution at tackle and those are much harder to find
25:48than guys that are Makai Lemon's archetype even if we really like Makai Lemon as a player.
25:54You don't pass up on what could potentially be a very good starting offensive tackle.
25:59You just don't do it and the Steelers almost did it until somebody almost like kind of took the grenade out of
26:06their hand and put the pin back in. They took Ihanachor I don't want to say incredulously but like clearly it wasn't
26:13their first play but I think their backup option was their best option and I'm really happy they were forced to doing it.
26:20I think Steelers fans should be ecstatic. Like they really got something here and I think the offense is going to be better for it.
26:28Now as for our next underdog that won this was the most stunning game of the weekend to me.
26:34Yeah. The Washington Commanders upset the Seattle Seahawks Washington on Washington crime in Northwest Stadium ironically enough.
26:39There was a lot that went into this game that made it possible for Washington to win.
26:45If you're just looking at the box score it seems weird because the Commanders had 2.8 yards per play less than Seattle.
26:52They were worse on third down. They were worse in terms of overall success rate.
26:56They were out gained in total through the air nearly two to one and if you're looking at just yards per pass
27:03it was eight and a half to 5.3 Krosky Merritt had a 1.9 yards per carry like every number here was bad
27:10and then you look at the scoreboard and they put up a bunch of points on Mike McDonald won the game like
27:17there is so much context lacking in the box score which is why we watch these games but it was almost unbelievable
27:24unless you watched it live like that's the only way it made sense and still kind of unbelievable even if you did
27:31watch it live because Sam Darnold came back in this game and he was not rusty he was incredibly sharp from the
27:38get-go and that looked like okay again if you're calling these games early which is never a good idea I would have
27:45said all right Seattle's defense is what it is but Sam's back he's sharp JSN is carving him up like I'm gonna
27:52give this one to Seattle and go watch something else luckily I get to watch all the games on Sunday and what
27:59started to stand out very early on was the young offensive coordinator who we highlighted in summer series David Blau is aggression
28:06and timing he has it everybody talks about what you need as a play caller it's not just play designing it's not
28:13understanding tendency and anything else there is the art part of it not the science part of it and it's when to
28:20call what when to push the hammer down just that little extra bit to go for victory and quite frankly Shane Steichen
28:27could learn a thing or two from David Blau who just started this about when to really smash the pedal and hunt
28:34wins he was a aggressive and the combination of him and a very veteran quarterback Marcus Mariota who was really good across
28:41from Sam Darnold in this game I think overshadowed by a lot of throws that that Darnold made but Mariota made tight
28:48window throws over and over again which is what you have to do against the Hawks defense on any given weekend because
28:55they don't allow a lot of space in their secondary we talked about this I think it was on the Patreon pod
29:02in week one about how well that defense was clicking this early in the season they aren't giving up big busts and
29:09large gaps they are they're basically presenting you with very small windows and saying if you can hit him sure but most
29:16of you can't Mariota did the execution on those throws into tight windows was what made all of this work and strung
29:23it together despite the other sort of lackluster offensive statistics he was three for four for 40 yards and a touchdown 10
29:30point 10.0 yards per attempt on tight window throws very very good to 128 rating on those throws also very good completion
29:37percentage over expected 44.4% into tight windows what ridiculous it should go down it typically either under pressure or into tight windows
29:44that number declines it does not jump by 40 plus percentage points so when he needed to be absolutely nails he was
29:51and the play caller quarterback combination to steal the game and I say that because Mariota changed that play at the line
29:58and it's still only barely worked if you watch it back end zone angle in all 22 the Hawks almost had that
30:05play like in three different places or are you talking about that run that like the third and long run at the
30:12end right and Mariota goes to the line he changes it he sees the blitz they pack in he very clearly changes
30:19the play adjusts the back and they still barely like what he's asking his offensive line to do on that play it
30:26was a run around the end to the right and they had to clear and the way he'd align the blocking he
30:33needed basically all three players on his offensive line on the left to make reaches against the Hawks let me let me
30:40slow that down and reiterate it you need to reach blocks three of the best defensive linemen playing in the NFL right
30:47now and all three of you need to do it to make this play work and they did and again they were
30:54you know we're talking about a game of inches they were a hands-width away from grabbing the running back it is a
31:00bang bang play super tight tolerances but Washington gets away with it they get a large gain that is it that seals
31:07the game that is an aggressive play call now was it blouse play call was it one two if you get this
31:14was a Mariota just going whatever we have called is not going to work I'm I think this is our best shot
31:21we don't really know what that balance is but that combination of Mariota and blouse sort of clicking and going yeah we
31:28can make this work against one of the best defenses in football made this I think the most surprising result of the
31:35weekend and a ton of fun to watch because again just box scoring this one you would have said Hawks in a
31:42wash I would have said Hawks by 13 or 14 points in this one easily just looking at the yards gain time
31:49of possession success rates everything else in the end the commanders come out with a victory they deeply needed against an opponent
31:56that nobody expected them to be just the creativity to run the ball in that situation right it's third long you're you're
32:03seeing zero there's seven bodies in the line of scrimmage to call G lead there whether it was called in the huddle
32:10or just Mariota making the change of the line like it doesn't make sense on paper it's like G lead into zero
32:17like are you sure against the Hawks like against the Hawks right then you realize like okay if we're going G lead
32:24away from the pressure there's no linebackers in the second level so if we just clear the defensive line it's a foot
32:31race like we can win that and even then like the the intended hole is supposed to be off the right tackles
32:38right hip because the tackle is going to be coming down guard pulls kicks out the edge it's supposed to hit in
32:45between the pulling guard and the tackle but that backside reach block like God bless them they tried they did what they
32:52could and still it closed so quickly the running back was like I'm not gonna get there I gotta bounce this thing
32:59so it didn't even hit in the hole that was intended but because he was able to bounce it and there was
33:06no second level defenders because it's zero like we're just racing to the corner at that point I'm faster than you it
33:13was super creative it was ballsy ballsy and it worked great I loved it I mean to hit it at that time
33:20contrast that to what Shane Steichen did at the end of the Colts game after the long completion and then I would
33:27say much less creative or aggressive play calling blouse got a future and the future might be now I also want to
33:34talk about that pick six because none of that would have even mattered were it not for that pick six it came
33:41a John I believe said that Sonny Styles the one who got him into that correct because throughout the game I mean
33:48this is it's it's a Seattle kind of thing is it's boot flood boot flood boot flood and we'll either have like
33:55a down flat from the tight end as the fourth guy the chaser sometime you know Ben Solek pointed out sometimes it's
34:02actually the running back who will then come back and he'll be the fourth guy but flood isn't just you know a
34:09high a middle and a low it's a high middle low and then a fourth guy it's like trailing everything and and
34:16the idea is if you're not hitting that intermediate read that that trail guy whatever route it is whether it's a shallow
34:23whether it's a down flat or like it's a tight end faking a block and then pivoting back out whatever that fourth
34:30guy is ideally it's gonna be wide open and when you have JSN as that intermediate threat the idea is okay well
34:37naturally his gravity is gonna pull one linebacker there and then the other linebacker is just gonna follow the running back on
34:44the rail so when this tight end runs the down flat it's gonna be wide open it's gonna be nobody there but
34:51the little adjustment the commanders made which apparently was Sonny Styles call was no we're gonna have the edge play a peel
34:58technique the edge is gonna take the running back that's gonna free up Medrano to then fall back inside and Sonny stayed
35:05glued on that down flat as well they let the intermediate go Medrano floated back inside picked it off took it all
35:12the way back like I guarantee you that is not an adjustment that Seattle saw coming because who would realistically see like
35:19you're gonna have an edge peel on a running back running a rail in that situation like never happens so man just
35:26this game was so good for people who love watching tape because there was so much just good ball here from both
35:33sides like JSN was sensational Darnold other than the pick six was you know look like Sam Darnold you had the commanders
35:39just just just grinding it out and making key calls and key decisions and key throws and key runs like God this
35:46was this was good football box score doesn't look good but this was good football and Styles deserves a lot of credit
35:53for his mental acumen again we're talking about a rookie in his third NFL game who is calling the defense and made
36:00that adjustment and then physically on top of it oh yeah he's a mutant he's carrying yeah RB vertical routes 25 yards
36:07downfield making PBUs at 244 pounds that's that's Erlacher stuff that's yeah whatever stuff like you shouldn't be able to do that
36:14and he can do both in his third game in the NFL special special player there's another one coming out this year
36:21by the way have you watched Chris Cole from Georgia not to derail us into draft talk real quick you you sent
36:28me that and I was like man Cole can absolutely wheel and then it comes out today that he hit 22 on
36:35the GPS as a linebacker 22 I was like oh the old calibrated eyeballs still work that guy was flying and he's
36:42gonna be he's gonna be something during testing I mean obviously he's already putting tape on the field but yeah again not
36:49many folks who are that size can move in that way and usually the ones that can go to Georgia apparently because
36:56they just they never run out of them all right let's talk Raiders again boy this might be the most we've ever
37:03talked about the Raiders in a three-week period ever in the history of this show I'm not mad about it I'm actually
37:10very happy about it I'm just kind of surprised because the Las Vegas Raiders are 3-0 EJ and they they won again
37:17this week when they were not favored and they did so in a very Raiders-y way right it's grinding it out it's
37:24just giving a ton of touches to Ashton Gentty even if it's not working we have to show you that we're willing
37:31to do it you know Brock Bowers was back and looked like Brock Bowers I want to discuss the two numbers or
37:38the two letters in front of his name on the depth chart because he's not a tight end to me but he
37:45is a weapon and he's very good you know Kirk was good in this game he still still got a little bit
37:52of gas left in the tank you know the defense they started bringing more pressure as the game went on and had
37:59I think a 50% pressure rate in the fourth quarter when they were when they actually did start blitzing which which helped
38:06a lot and even though Tyler Shuck threw four touchdowns they were able to force four turnovers late in the game and
38:13get the win it was just a very very gutsy Raiders-y kind of win again I want to reiterate good football the
38:20kind of game that when you just watch it you're entertained from start to finish between two teams that I don't think
38:27get enough national love but this was a damn entertaining game to watch yeah and the Saints I'm gonna whisper this so
38:34the Raiders fans don't get mad Saints had it like the Saints oh they did the Saints 85% chance to win they
38:41had it they should have had it and there was even stuff that didn't factor into that that had like Bryce Lance
38:48got open three times in this game why do I know hmm I wonder anyways no Bryce Lance got open three times
38:55in this game and Shuck didn't hit him Shuck was very good on the day but there were two two big plays
39:02explosive gains and another one that would have been a solid gain that they didn't even hit not to mention the turnovers
39:09in the fourth quarter but credit the Raiders they're who we're here to talk about and they forced bumbles recovered three of
39:16them as a guy mass is who we talked about last week picked off another pass he has three on the year
39:23for extra possessions were the difference in a tight game both teams playing well to your point in that balance is what
39:30makes games fun that back and forth everybody's got a chance I'm not sure who's gonna win this if you don't have
39:37any skin in the game like that's the kind of game you want to watch as a fan and this was one
39:44of those N'Kobe Dean has been immense as an addition in free agency for them he is on a freaking mission both
39:51of us really enjoyed his college tape he struggled with some injuries is why he fell in the draft it's what happened
39:58to him in Philadelphia it's why they were willing to let him go he is healthy and he is mashing people he
40:05is tied for six with TFLs and three it's also tied for four tied for fourth enforced incompletion say that one time
40:12fast also has half a sack but he's been a missile we mentioned him last week as well he was all over
40:18the field in this one Quay Walker had one of the biggest hits from a linebacker I've seen yet this season and
40:25that you know that's just on the defensive side you get to the offensive side Brock Bowers first game back with his
40:32new head coach and I'm gonna say Brock Bowers the wide receiver and here's why only eight of his 33 routes were
40:39from tight alignments ones you would typically consider whether it's in line backfield fullback alignment whatever for for tight ends all the
40:46rest were wide or slot and every time he was targeted I think it was 13 times wider in the slot so
40:53you can call him what you want to I don't really care because he's incredibly entertaining and he's incredibly effective as a
41:00player again designation notwithstanding he put up a ton of yards ran a ton of great routes made a bunch of tough
41:07contested catches and was really the engine of the offense for the Raiders so call him what you want Brock Bowers just
41:14good football player his eventual contract extension fascinates me yes it should because what what pay scale is he going to be
41:21on I know what his agent's going to ask for yep he's going to ask for receiver money and the teams are
41:28like well he's a tight end it's like is he though it is he like let's look at the alignment data and
41:35the same exact thing happened to Jimmy Graham by the way back in the day correct Saints fans remember when there was
41:42the Jimmy Graham franchise tag fight because he got tagged as a tight end and he's like I'm a receiver like check
41:49where I line up it's in the slot over 50% of the time I think we're barreling towards the exact same thing
41:56happening Brock Bowers where you know the team is going to list him as a tight end but the agent the player
42:03is going to say you know if you franchise tag me it's going to be with a receiver tag and if we're
42:10negotiating an extension I'm going to be comparing my contract to Jamar Chase not to Trey McBride and that fascinates me and
42:17there's also massive ramifications around the rest of the league because if he does get paid on a receiver scale but he
42:24has the two little TE letters in front of his name every other agent for tight ends you'd be like well Brock
42:31Bowers got that money right so then Trey McBride deserves a raise or you know insert up and coming Tyler Warren Colston
42:38Loveland if he could ever catch a football catch or target at all target would be nice by the way catches I
42:45should know we are recording this before Monday Night Football so if Colston Loveland goes for like 11 catches in 200 yards
42:52you know why it's because we mentioned him but I just I don't I don't know how that negotiation is going to
42:59go as of this moment we still got a couple years to figure it out but he's not a tight end you
43:06know who's going to be terrified by that who the head coach of the Raiders yeah because he's gonna be like uh
43:13yeah team he is a tight end meanwhile he's gonna be like don't want to lose my top wide receiver pay man
43:20uh so he's gonna be straddling a very delicate line there because the production is obvious when Brock is healthy and on
43:27the field he's unstoppable the same way he was in college he is very difficult to contain and I'm sure the head
43:34coach at this point is like I really don't care like just make sure he's on the field so I can throw
43:41him the ball because I have so many good ideas about how to do that and obviously does it's their first game
43:48together talking about 10 catches for 116 yards and a touchdown and could have been more um again fascinating game the balance
43:55of this game hangs in the little things the small details the turnovers that go the Raiders way that is just enough
44:02to tip the scales and get them to win even though they weren't favored in this one one more note on this
44:09game I was not a fan of the play call on third and six that led to the Hezekiah Massa's interception which
44:16was the biggest swing in the game at at the time of that pick I believe it had vaulted back to a
44:2350-50 in terms of who's gonna win if you look at like the win probability chart on next gen stats like late
44:30in the third quarter it was down to I think 11% for the Raiders might have been slightly higher than that at
44:37the start of the fourth quarter it was 15% for the Raiders you hit a big catch and run to Jenty puts
44:44it back up to uh to close to 50-50 and then at the time of that Massa's pick it went from 50-50
44:51to all of a sudden the Raiders are favored because you get a big return down inside the 10-yard line as well
44:58so that was a huge huge swing play and I really didn't like the play call because every single route other than
45:04you know the check down to the running back which he didn't throw was more than five yards past the sticks and
45:11not only was it down the field on third and six where we we could have tried to high low somebody or
45:18you know run something at the sticks and just try to fit the ball in there just move the chains to me
45:25at that at that moment in time it wasn't about trying to get a chunk it was about just moving the chains
45:32and they wanted it all right it's a Tampa 2 look um they didn't show Tampa 2 pre-snap but they eventually got
45:39into Tampa 2 and from the far hash you're asking him to either a throw the ball like really really far vertically
45:46to give Olave time to then readjust away from the boundary side safety to go back to the middle because Olave was
45:53splitting it like if you look at on tape Olave was splitting the two safeties but he was kind of angling himself
46:00towards the boundary safety and so Shuck was going to have to throw it throw him back inside which means putting a
46:07ton of air on the ball and it's a hard adjustment to make as it is you're asking him to either do
46:14that or hit the far hash hole shot which in itself is tough to do against Hezekiel Massas who's tall and rangy
46:21and all that like even though he's a young player like the skill set of the skill set it's not somebody I
46:28want to test a far hash hole shot on because of how he's built and failing those two things like you can
46:35try to just absolutely drill the drift route in between the pole runner and the hook dropper but that's not a good
46:42option anyway like they were asking him to make one of three incredibly difficult throws on third and six with the game
46:49on the line and I was not with that I would have liked for them to try to open up something rather
46:56than having your quarterback bail you out with a hero throw I would have liked to see Kellen Moore help him out
47:03a little bit more try to drag these defenders away from each other a little bit more just I don't know scheme
47:10it up I guess for lack of a better word they didn't do that they put all of their faith in Tyler
47:17Shuck and when you have a left tackle getting caved in so he gets hit as he throws and you know ham
47:24sandwich goes towards Massas that was the ball game right there to me so not a fan of that play call but
47:31you know excellent job by the Raiders to execute and take advantage of that all right next up Denver versus the Rams
47:38the Broncos were the underdog in this game not by a lot I think yeah ish it was a narrow margin because
47:45they were at home but still like technically they were the dog and they kind of looked like it for most of
47:52the game at one point they were down 16-0 they clawed their way back into it you had a wild fourth quarter
47:59that ultimately ended with the Broncos coming out on top I just want to say first things first yes there was bad
48:06officiating Broncos fans I'm not taking the win away but I would like to acknowledge there was bad officiating and it tended
48:13to go one way the hands to the face by Quentin Lake I just don't know how you make that call in
48:20that moment you know I can kind of understand the refs getting got by you know the acting job of Pat Bryant
48:27because of the way he flailed and like they don't have the benefit of the replay because we had replay for PI
48:34calls a while ago and then Al Riveron decided to like torpedo that from the inside so we don't get to review
48:41PI calls so when Bryant sells it like that like I can understand the refs getting fooled that's what it was they
48:48got fooled by that but the Quentin Lake hands to the face penalty like that that wasn't them getting fooled that was
48:55just a shit call there's no other way to describe it it was a shit call on third down in the red
49:02zone and that that heavily impacted who won the game because if that call wasn't made okay Broncos kick a field goal
49:09it's tied there's a minute left either the Rams can go back down and respond or we just go to overtime right
49:16made the best team win but that call was massive Sarah Barshop had an interesting stat on this the Rams were called
49:23for five penalties in the final two minutes of the fourth quarter which is tied for the most penalties on any team
49:30in the final two minutes in a game since 2000 according to ESPN research if I'm a Rams fan I am enraged
49:37if I'm a Broncos fan I am I'm happy but I also acknowledge we kind of got away with one there again
49:43it's not invalidating the Broncos they're a good team I'm not saying they're fraudulent or any of the other stuff I'm not
49:50getting caught up in that I'm just saying that wasn't good officiating and it heavily impacted not just who won the game
49:57but how that game was won and it did put a little bit of a damper on what I otherwise thought was
50:04a really really good football game yeah a bit of a different game here in the fact that both teams were pretty
50:11much a slow burn for the first three quarters looked like the Rams were playing better football for that period but they
50:18weren't playing great football they started to slow down the Broncos had not yet heated up and then we got the fourth
50:25quarter which was exceptional theater and television that yes was tainted by two calls that I don't believe were correct the first
50:32one because it was just physically not correct it was literally the wide receiver dragging the defensive back down throwing his arm
50:39up again it's not a look that the refs typically see usually when there's that much commotion it is a defensive back
50:46trying to hold the wide receiver this was quite obviously on replay to us in slow motion obviously the other way and
50:53then the other one was more situational and this is if you want to talk about the art and science of play
51:00calling this is the art and science of calling a game as a ref there are times you let guys play and
51:07if it's something that's not really affecting the play yes technically you can call a penalty on just about every single play
51:14in the NFL there are so many people in motion it's dynamic you can find some infraction if you want to this
51:21one like it is a hand brushing across the face mask as you know the defensive backs going left and the wide
51:28or the wide receivers going left and the defensive backs going right it was slight contact it did not interrupt the route
51:35it was not purposeful it was not forceful again if we're talking about forceful contact to the head and neck that is
51:42something you're going to let go as incidental contact like when wide receivers down the field and you know legs get tripped
51:49up and two guys go to the ground flailing and you just go hey that's football like it happened it was incidental
51:56it was incidental contact but the problem was it was stacked on top of the other incorrectly called penalty and now the
52:03end result is the Broncos get eight bites at the apple inside the 10 yard line and if you give any offense
52:10even the worst ones eight bites inside the 10 yard line they're probably coming away with a touchdown because it's just too
52:17many variables for the defense to contain that many times in a row and to have it be in crunch time in
52:24a game that had accelerated and was exciting and felt fairly balanced to that point it was a little bit of home
52:31cooking for Denver I'm not saying Denver asked for it or paid for it or anything else that is not my supposition
52:38it was a two poor calls that stacked to really influence the outcome of this game and that's unfortunate Broncos are going
52:45to get the win it's always going to go down as a W for them Rams can you know lick their wounds
52:52and go for the next one but it was it left a bad taste in my mouth at the end of what
52:59was otherwise at least a thrilling fourth quarter I'm not going to say a thrilling game I do want to give credit
53:06to you know at least the Broncos defense for doing what they did all last year which is when Bo Nix would
53:13have a bad first three quarters and he did in this game in the first three quarters he was 13 of 25
53:20so 52% for 3.9 yards per attempt a sack had a couple touchdowns but just a largely inefficient game leading up to
53:27that fourth quarter and then in the fourth quarter four of nine so still not like crazy efficient in terms of completions
53:34but he had 9.9 yards per attempt and a pick because 60 of his 89 yards in the fourth quarter were on
53:41back-to-back throws on that last scoring drive so without those two back-to-back throws which was 60 yards in two throws his night
53:48was actually not even pedestrian I would just say it was bad right but in typical Bo Nix fashion when his defense
53:55is getting stops or in in Talano Hifunga's case just outright scoring and putting them in position for him to make the
54:02two throws that he needs to make he made them right and at that point you know if you are either in
54:09the lead late in the game or you're driving for a lead late in the game or driving for a tie late
54:16in the game everything else kind of goes out the window as long as you make those two throws right if we
54:22are down by three you make those two throws and then that eventually led to them getting you know eight tries inside
54:29the red zone as long as you make those two throws everything else is forgiven it's not forgotten but it's forgiven and
54:36I think that's the key difference you know when I when I dip my toe into the toxic Bo Nix discourse it's
54:43not me saying he's a bad quarterback it's me saying that he has had very bad stretches and were it not for
54:50his defense being as good as they are they probably would have lost a lot more games because of his inability to
54:57elevate this team for all four quarters he's able to elevate them for the two to three throws in the fourth quarter
55:04that he needs to but the only reason why they're not getting blown out the only reason why they're in position for
55:11those throws to matter is because his defense is so good is because Talonoha Funga gets a sack on third and five
55:18that turns a touchdown opportunity into a field goal opportunity it's because of Funga then gets a pick six which puts them
55:25back in the lead and even though the Rams did then immediately get a 48 yard touchdown and put the ball back
55:32in Bo Nix's court at that point you're one drive away you just need one drive the rest of the game doesn't
55:39matter at that point and he put together the drive that he needed to put together penalties notwithstanding so that is my
55:46frustration with the Broncos is because if Bo Nix played like that the entire time they would blow people out but because
55:53he doesn't play like that the entire time they just kind of hang around and it feels bad it feels gross it
56:00feels like disgusting football until you finally get to the last 10 minutes of the game where it feels like you're watching
56:07the team that you expected to be there and then you get to the next week and he does it again then
56:14you get the next week he does it again you're like this is this is insane like why can't he do it
56:21for the entire game this team should be so much better than they are so I again I'm not saying he's bad
56:28I'm saying he's really frustrating he's really frustrating because I know what this team should be and they're not that right now
56:35and I don't know if they will be that but until he puts together four straight quarters consistently not for like a
56:42week not for two weeks I'm talking for a month two months straight until he puts together four quarter games for an
56:49entire stretch of the season I don't think we're ever really going to see what this Broncos team can be and that
56:56frustrates me I'm not even a Broncos fan that frustrates me because this roster is really good the coaching staff is really
57:03good and I do feel like these 16-16 dogfights in the fourth quarter shouldn't be as ugly as they are and that
57:10is it's because of how he plays in the first three quarters quite frankly he is a dichotomous quarterback and the dichotomy
57:17is if he played like he does for again not the first quarter or even the first half typically the first two
57:24and a half to three quarters about three quarters worth of a football game they would lose every week if he played
57:31like he does as you said in the final 10 to 12 minutes all the time they would blow everybody out and
57:38be you know Super Bowl favorites so it's that he can have these incredibly cold bad performances to start games and the
57:45rest of the team plays complimentary football special teams defense they keep it close they know they just need to keep it
57:52close and then they basically deliver him the football on a platter in the fourth quarter and go okay it's time you
57:59gotta light it up now we need you to play like we know you can because we've seen you do it before
58:06it is a difficult way to play football it is a you know we didn't necessarily see the luck run out last
58:13year again they just maintained this very what seems to be precarious but in actuality isn't balanced and win that way but
58:20it's tough when you see him make these absolutely nails throws in fourth quarter deep down the field again these are not
58:27dinkin dunk and you know big yak gains he's drilling it 25-30 yards down the field on the money and you're like
58:34where has that been you've been missing eight yard outs for three quarters and it is it is difficult yes if the
58:41situation was different which it's not right he does exist in the Denver ecosphere of very good defense well coached football team
58:48that allows him to play this way and still win and I think the frustration for the people that don't really like
58:55his game is if he was anywhere else this wouldn't work they're probably correct and then Broncos fans going yeah but it
59:02does look at look at the look at the scoreboard there it's results over process and it's like well correct the results
59:08over process is fun while it lasts until the process catches up and creates new results that you don't like very much
59:15I would agree so that's that's why we're walking that's why we have this discourse we're not saying Bo's not gonna get
59:22there but again it can't be a week where he plays three good quarters and one bad one it's gotta be a
59:29stretch and we've seen this from other quarterbacks who've had similar assessments leveled against them Trevor Lawrence being one of them for
59:36a long time and then he did hit a stretch a couple years ago for six or eight games where he played
59:43the lights out he was super hot everybody said ah this is the reason he was highly drafted this is the reason
59:50we penned all our hopes on him it's in there see and we've seen it for a while now and of course
59:57he fell off that pedestal ended up getting a new head coach and he's sort of back on it but Bo is
60:04going to have to find a way and it's you know difficult for him as well he's under a new play caller
60:11lots been made of the handover from you know Peyton to Davis Webb and and how that's going and how tenuous that
60:18might be I appreciate it's a very difficult position for Sean to be like hey man crank it up like this is
60:25the not for long league we need results now and that's and at the same time wanting to let Davis Webb sort
60:32of take his lumps and develop but he's also doing it with Bo who isn't always hitting what he's drawing up and
60:39that too is frustrating as play caller so there's there's several levels a lot of moving pieces to this particular thing but
60:46Bo for his part controlling the things he can control does need to play better earlier in games and if he does
60:53so Broncos will have more comfortable wins here all right let's get to our last game of the day before we get
61:00the shot of the week possibly the best international game we've ever seen and that is a sneaky high bar there have
61:07been some really good international games including the one the last one that we had in Brazil the Eagles Packers game that
61:14one was also really good but this Cowboys Ravens game in Rio that to me was an early contender for game of
61:21the year it was awesome from start to finish there was great defensive plays there was great offensive plays there was drama
61:28literally to the last seven seconds you had former MVP quarterback showing out you had MVP hopefuls and Dak Prescott who's gotten
61:35close a couple times he was showing out you know pickings and CD making plays Javante Williams looking like vintage Javante Williams
61:42from North Carolina like he looks legitimately faster this year Zay Flowers looked all the way back I mean Jay Sean Barham
61:49welcome to the NFL right you get you get a fourth a fourth down goal line stop on Derrick Henry and then
61:56you come right back a few plays later get a third and one stop again on Derrick Henry through a fullback this
62:03game just had everything EJ I don't even know where to begin it was a sensational game and the NFL loves that
62:10more than anybody because if you are exporting a product and saying you should pay attention to this when you're talking about
62:17a country where it is not the preeminent sport this is the product you want on the field almost 800 yards of
62:24offense 793 no picks thrown only one fumble lost insane scoring runs five total lead changes or pulling even to a tie
62:31time of possession was split almost perfectly down the middle there was exactly 60 seconds more possession for Dallas in this game
62:38it was right down the middle you've got a wild ending that is theatrical and really sort of made for television Cowboys
62:45making multiple questionable decisions and the Ravens squeezing in that winning kick which again is redemption for loop the kicker you know
62:52had a similar opportunity couldn't hit it last year ends up hitting it this year for a huge win on the road
62:59per NFL research it was the first game in the last quarter century with two made field goals in the final seven
63:06seconds so a unique experience for the fans in Brazil it's a huge win for the NFL each team had many wins
63:13of their own within the game but nobody is happier than Roger in the shield that this is the game that ended
63:20up on Brazilian soil and Brazil is a huge market you know when whether it's on the bootleg channel or on my
63:27personal channel when I go through and look at the international markets for five maybe six straight years now Brazil's been in
63:34the top four right it's always UK Canada Germany and and Brazil right it's them and Mexico that kind of flip-flop but
63:41like it's it's a huge huge football country people don't realize that that's why they put games there in the first place
63:47it's why they put games in Ireland it's why they put games in Australia like they go where the fans like the
63:54sport and Australians like it the Irish love it thankfully gives me an excuse to make more trips to Ireland in the
64:01future so I'll always take that excuse but you know they're they're putting one in Paris I bet they're gonna put one
64:08you know probably in Italy at some point I'm I'm sure the Australia trip was a tester to see if like a
64:15Tokyo game would work like there's a lot of fans all over the world and and especially in Brazil like literally multi-million
64:22American football fans like not Americans but fans of American football in Brazil it's a it's a really really great thing to
64:29happen for the league to have that kind of game in that kind of environment in an emerging market you know huge
64:36huge win for the NFL obviously huge win for the Ravens too I do want to take a moment to acknowledge Lamar
64:43they didn't throw a lot of passes in this game but he was so efficient with the opportunities that he did have
64:50he was 15 of 20 for 186 not it's not going to blow you away but if you watch this game you
64:57realized how good he really was especially getting out of trouble just making the right decision putting the ball exactly where it
65:04needed to be two touchdowns no picks 136.7 rating he was awesome in this game I thought Jesse Minner coached really well
65:11like situationally you know they kind of bounced back from the situational mistakes that I thought they made against New Orleans they
65:18were perfect situationally in this game even down to post game when Minner was like man we were happy they kicked the
65:25touchback they gave us five extra yards like just having the awareness between you know the difference in field position between a
65:32touchback or if you try to kick it and pin them you know the average return there is going to be the
65:3930 but you do you know have the opportunity to stop them even shorter than that if you have a really good
65:46cover unit the Texans didn't have that kind of awareness today because they also kicked it and gave the Colts a touchback
65:53late in the game when when the Colts just needed a field goal so you know coaches that are on their P's
66:00and Q's in terms of of special teams rules and field position and kicking versus not kicking and punting versus not punting
66:07and it adds up it really does and and the Ravens just ever so slightly outcoached Dallas in in what I think
66:14was a great football game yeah we opened up the show talking about how good Brock Purdy has been through this early
66:21season if he has a counterpart in the AFC for execution at the quarterback position Lamar is that guy he's been tremendously
66:28sharp this year and we mentioned it in week one we said hey Declan Doyle called a hell of a game and
66:35and Lamar was up to speed immediately that mesh seems to be working he is an all-time classic at NFL quarterback he
66:42has a skill set that is rare it's not unique but it is rare you don't see the combination that he's had
66:49it's very very smart as a passer he's been in a ton of systems he is wildly accurate when he is on
66:56it his ball placement is otherworldly we talked about Mario hitting tight window throws Lamar has that kind of accuracy week in
67:03week out generally and it's so much fun to watch so seeing him get with a new offensive coordinator after having been
67:10with a good one in Monken and seeing him sort of not only just pick up where he left off but also
67:17maybe even ascend is has been a ton of fun through the first three weeks and and I'm glad the folks in
67:24Brazil got to see some of that as well all right we're gonna wrap this up with shot of the week we
67:31have really good nominees this week as always film is going to be on screen if you want to vote for this
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67:59for the patron episode is going to be this week but we'll get there in a couple days all right first nominee
68:06Eric Wilson bulldozing his way for a sack over Baker Mayfield or rather on Baker Mayfield poor Bucky Irving just getting railroaded
68:13on this rep he didn't really have a possibility of winning in this situation you have two Vikings screaming down the middle
68:20he was going to get run over regardless Eric Wilson's the one who does the dirty work on it nominee number two
68:26Trey McBride another just pile driver of a stiff arm we've had a couple of these so far this season and Trey
68:33McBride delivered this week's edition nominee number three speaking of something we've already seen so far this season Mansoor Delane once again
68:40crushing a screen he wasn't necessarily known for this in college not that he couldn't do it it's just he a lot
68:47of teams just didn't run screens at him but so far in the NFL he has been tested and he has stepped
68:54up and answered that bell he's made multiple great tackles for loss and stops on screen so far this season quickly developing
69:01a reputation for not being somebody to screw with in that regard nominee number four I cheated not gonna lie Jason Barham
69:08getting a two play nominee for his goal line stop on Derrick Henry and his third and one stop on Derrick Henry
69:15maybe it's unfair I don't care it's our competition I'll just make up rules as I go and then nominee number five
69:22Nekobe Dean blowing up Alvin Kamara in the backfield we mentioned he had a great game this is evidence of that really
69:29happy to see him healthy he's just been great for the Raiders so far like I said EJ stacked stacked shot of
69:36the week nominee list this week if you had a choice who would it be it's tough to not go with the
69:43Trey McBride pile driver stiff arm because of how hard he planted the defensive back the Eric Wilson one is interesting to
69:50me though as a dark horse because Eric Wilson was a guy mentioned in our Viking summer series episode and Flores always
69:57has a guy and you could you could argue that he has two currently in his defense but Eric Wilson is one
70:04of them who people the name of but is like absolutely critical to making that that system and that scheme work Wilson
70:11is that guy right now and this was just visually stunning watch him cave in the middle of the offensive line just
70:18kind of run through the rubble in the pile get up and then dump Baker Mayfield so those two are great the
70:25other three are awesome Nekobe Dean I like because so many people think of him as a as a rangy backer that
70:32can play the pad like this is old school linebacking this is him seeing the key and absolutely just firing through the
70:39gap meeting Kamara in the hole knocking him off his feet old-fashioned D cleater just I love that kind of football and
70:46it's again really good to see him healthy and making such a huge impact because we know he can once more you
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