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The Bo Nix narrative is only half-true.
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1 hr 19 min
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Sep 5, 2026
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Sat, September 5, 2026
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Bo NixJ.K. DobbinsDallen BentleyJaleel McLaughlinJaylen WaddleJonah ColemanJustin HerbertMarcedes LewisSam Darnold
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Bo Nix
PositiveProjection0:21
Bo Nix is a good quarterback who is unfairly maligned by national media and fans. While often ranked around 20th, he is effectively in a tier of solid starters (12-23 range) and is capable of leading a high-performing team. The source argues that the '14-win' success of the Broncos is a team effort, and Nix is good enough to win at that level, even if he isn't a top-tier superstar.
Insight pageNegativeUsage27:19
Contrary to the 'fourth-quarter magician' narrative, Bo Nix's statistical performance actually declines in the fourth quarter compared to the first three. His adjusted completion percentage drops from 76.6% to 72.6%, his turnover-worthy play rate nearly doubles (2.3% to 4.1%), and his big-time throw percentage decreases. The Broncos' perceived fourth-quarter dominance is largely due to the team's superior stamina and the fact that opponents tend to collapse late in games, rather than a surge in Nix's individual play.
Insight pageNegativeProjection29:02
Bo Nix is not currently viewed as a top-12 quarterback in the league, but he has room to grow. While he won 14 games last year, the team's success was heavily supported by a dominant defense and offensive line; if Nix improves his consistency and avoids long stretches of offensive stagnation, the team's ceiling could rise even higher.
Insight pagePositiveProjection116:27
Bo Nix is expected to perform better in the passing game this year due to having another year of experience in Sean Payton's system.
Insight pageDallen Bentley
PositiveDepth Chart112:31
Dallin Bentley is a tight end who made the Broncos' roster despite being part of a deep position group; the source expects him to be a contributor for the team.
Insight pageJ.K. Dobbins
PositiveUsage21:20
J.K. Dobbins was a key catalyst in the Broncos' comeback victory against the Giants in Week 7. He provided a significant spark in the fourth quarter, recording approximately 48 yards on four carries to help drive the offense into the red zone.
Insight pagePositiveUsage21:57
J.K. Dobbins provided a critical spark in the fourth quarter, recording 48 yards on four carries to help drive the offense into the red zone.
Insight pageJaleel McLaughlin
NegativeDepth Chart89:52
Jaleel McLaughlin, described as a pass-catching back extraordinaire, is currently off the Broncos' roster following cut-down week but remains a candidate to be picked up by a team.
Insight pageJaylen Waddle
PositiveRole98:26
Jalen Waddle was acquired by the Broncos to serve as a marquee receiving threat. The source views this as a win-now move, noting that Waddle is a superior option to Marvin Mims for deep-field and after-the-catch production.
Insight pageJonah Coleman
PositiveRole107:11
Jonah Coleman is a pro-ready running back who does not need further development; he is a powerful runner who maximizes yardage and is also highly effective in the passing game, making him a perfect fit for Sean Payton's system.
Insight pageJustin Herbert
PositiveProjection30:11
The source perceives Justin Herbert as a significant upgrade over Bo Nix at the quarterback position, suggesting that if Herbert were swapped into the Broncos' system, the team could have potentially won 15 or 16 games.
Insight pageMarcedes Lewis
NegativeRole86:50
At 42 years old, Marcedes Lewis remains a highly effective blocking tight end whose skill set allows him to function as a sixth offensive lineman. While he is currently on the notable departures list, the source suggests he could still be signed by a team needing blocking help, as his role has remained consistent for a decade.
Insight pageSam Darnold
PositiveBreakout34:01
Sam Darnold serves as a prime example of a quarterback who played poorly before being rewired in San Francisco and subsequently finding success in Minnesota and Seattle, demonstrating that quarterbacks can undergo significant growth and perception shifts.
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Episode Transcript
0:00You know what? I'm not afraid to say it.
0:03It is okay to be wrong, and there were a lot of wrong opinions about this Broncos team last year.
0:09It wasn't that long ago when people said the game had passed Sean Payton by, and Vance Joseph too.
0:15Remember, when he gave up 70 to Miami, people thought he was going to be fired the next day.
0:21And don't even get me started on Bo Nix.
0:24Could there possibly be a more overrated quarterback in the eyes of the average NFL fan?
0:29Truly, this was not a good team. It was a lucky one.
0:33That was a remarkably common opinion. But like I said, it's okay to be wrong.
0:38Because to me, the best part of admitting when you're wrong is that once you do, you're immediately right.
0:44Nix, in zone bound, pulled in, touchdown Broncos! A little word of advice as we start the 2026 season.
0:50Maybe don't doubt the Broncos this time, and just let yourself be correct.
0:54Welcome to the Bootleg Football Podcast. I'm Brett Coleman.
0:57That's EJ Snyder. And today, we're going to do the impossible.
1:01We're going to have a nuanced discussion about if Bo Nix is good.
1:05EJ, are you ready to get yelled at? Yes, by both sides of the aisle.
1:10By folks we've influenced to believe that quarterbacks are superhuman, and that they are everything to a team, and also that it's a team sport.
1:18And both things can be true. So I'm excited, because we're going to dig into the whys and the hows.
1:24And the thing I'm most excited about is it comes from a patron question.
1:29Like, this is, again, questions from folks that watch the series and are invested and say, Hey, can you tell me why
1:36it looks like this, but I hear this? And can you help me reconcile those two things?
1:41And we're going to do that today. So we're going to start off, as usual, recapping 2025.
1:47What happened? How did it happen? And then we'll dig into all the nitty gritty about what the hell we watched in the Eagles and the Giants games.
1:56Because those, I think those kind of established a narrative about what the Broncos were last year that I'm not entirely sure was accurate.
2:03Again, great team. Like, I really do think that they could have challenged the Seahawks in the Super Bowl better than the Patriots could have.
2:11I thought they matched up a little bit better than New England.
2:15So, you know, if Bo Nix didn't get hurt last year, very easily could have gone to the Super Bowl.
2:22I really do think it's an elite, elite team.
2:24But the national perception of how they won and why they won, to me, is a little off.
2:30So we'll recap 2025, then get into that, then talk about everything they've done in 2026 to ideally be even better.
2:37And when we talk about national narratives, I think the national narrative on the Broncos was off for several reasons.
2:43Again, this was an elite team. It was a 14-win team.
2:47We've been saying it all summer. It was incredibly difficult to win 14 games in the NFL in any year.
2:53And they did it in a not fluky way at all.
2:57They did it in a very strong way because they were a strong team, because they were well-coached, because they outplayed their opponents.
3:04This wasn't a turnover-based organization. This was a solid football team on both sides of the ball, wrecking other teams all the way throughout the year.
3:12And they came up a little bit short. And the national narrative was like, well, yeah, they're all right.
3:19No, they were great. They were 14-3, first in the division, 8-1 at home, 6-2 on the road.
3:24Didn't matter where they were playing. Last five games, when you want to be strong, they were down the stretch, 4-1.
3:31And again, came up just a tick short in the playoffs because they lost their starting quarterback.
3:37Again, with the narrative that the quarterback's so important.
3:39Oh, why do we do this? Anyways, the effectiveness summary.
3:43How did they do that? Everything is true at the same time, EJ.
3:47That's the theme of today's show. Don't listen to the first part.
3:51Just listen to the second part. Oh, the effectiveness summary.
3:54The way we do this for power score. And again, we've had some power scores this week that lied.
4:00This power score is, I would say, quite truthful.
4:03Passing EPA per play. Rushing EPA per play. Defense against the pass and the rush.
4:08Points scored and points allowed. Six ranks. We assign them their league rank where they finished 1-32.
4:13Add those up. Divide by six. That gives us a raw score.
4:17Then we stack the raw scores. And that's where they come in, in terms of power score.
4:22Generally, I will say, usually for somewhere between 28-30 teams a year, it is quite accurate in terms of where they finished,
4:29in terms of how they looked on film. And this one is quite accurate.
4:34Passing EPA per play. 10th. Rushing EPA per play.
4:3714th. It's top half. It's almost top 10. Pass defense.
4:40They shined. One of their best ranks on the board.
4:43They were sixth best in the NFL. Defense against the rush.
4:47They were tied for 13th. Again, we haven't had a rank lower than 14th so far.
4:52And we're four in. Points scored. 14th. Points allowed.
4:55An elite scoring defense. Top three scoring defense. They were third in the NFL.
4:59So 10, 14, 6. Tied for 13th, 14th, and third.
5:02Add all those up. Your raw score is... 10.
5:05Again, lower is better. You want to be number one in everything.
5:09Nobody is. But that put them fifth overall. And when you look at how the teams shook out and finished, that's pretty darn accurate.
5:17And even then, by the end of the season, they felt better than a top five team.
5:22Right? They kind of felt like a top four, maybe even top three team.
5:27In fact, the only teams I think by championship weekend, again, if Bo Nix was healthy, the only teams I think I
5:34would have taken straight up against the Broncos were the top two teams in the NFC, which we're going to get to next week.
5:41The Rams and the Seahawks. So that's how good they are.
5:45But again, there is this national perception about the most important player in the organization, Bo Nix, that I think makes people
5:52kind of expect a regression to the mean this year.
5:55Like, I've seen a lot of people say, oh, yeah, it could be 10 wins, maybe 11 for various reasons.
6:02You know, people expect a big bounce back from the Chiefs.
6:05People, you know, if the Chargers can stay healthy, they're everybody's favorite 13-win team on paper.
6:10And so I feel like Denver is kind of getting forgotten.
6:14And a lot of it is because of what Spencer Post sent in for us.
6:19This is a patron note. Again, every single episode we have, our patrons kind of help guide us along how we write
6:26these episodes and research for these episodes, whether it's with notes or questions or anything like that.
6:31And Spencer, I think, kind of cut to the core of the consternation in Broncos country this offseason about not getting respect for being a 14-win team.
6:40Spencer says, hey, guys, I think I've ridden with you through all of these since your first time doing a mock draft
6:47with Connor and Trev over at NFL SE, which I want to say was like 2023?
6:52A couple of years ago, easily. It's been a while, right?
6:55So thank you for sticking with us, Spencer. Now, for my Broncos-centric question, can you please explain to me why NFL GMs,
7:02head coaches, and fans all believe Bo Nix is a bad QB, but my eyes tell me he's a good QB.
7:09Please help me understand why the perception exists that he's the 20th best NFL quarterback and not the 12th best NFL quarterback.
7:16A couple things here. Number one, if Bo Nix is, let's just say, rated the 20th quarterback in the NFL, that's not bad.
7:24Bad is if you're 30th, right? If you're staring down the barrel of like a Dylan Gabriel season, that's bad.
7:30And I think, you know, people have this warped perception of if you're lower than 12, it means you're bad.
7:36If you're top 12, it means you're good. And there's this like black and white denomination between you have to be in
7:43the top 12 or your quarterback isn't worth anything.
7:46You might as well move on. And that's half the reason why, you know, most first round picks at quarterback are seen as failures.
7:54Like even if you get somebody who's solid, if they're not a top 12 guy, then you have to move on.
8:01Because why would you pay somebody who's not even in the top 12?
8:05Kind of like divorcing. Divorcing the quality of the player from the value in the market.
8:10And it just causes all of these misalignments and discourse, I guess is the best way you could put it.
8:16Where you see a quarterback who's the 20th best in the sport.
8:20He's making no money on a rookie contract. And there's people who wrongly say, ah, Broncos got to figure out their future
8:27because I don't think it's both next. It's like the 20th best quarterback.
8:31Let's just say he's 20. I'm not saying he is, but let's just say he's 20.
8:37They won 14 games. Why? Because it's a team sport.
8:40And the reality is at the quarterback position, straight up rankings don't matter.
8:44It's about what tier are you in? And if we are just taking straight rankings, 12 to 20 are all basically the same.
8:51Right? You have like the elite of the elite.
8:54You know, top four to six guys, let's say.
8:57Right? The four horsemen of the AFC. Matthew Stafford's in there.
9:01You know, Drake May, I think, could get in there.
9:04There's a couple things I want him to clean up.
9:07But, you know, he's right outside there. And then you got like the tier two, we'll call it, where you have like
9:14the Jared Goffs and the Dak Prescott's of the world.
9:17Again, I would say Drake is in that category right now.
9:21And then below that, you have, I think, the tier that Bo is in.
9:25Which is a lot of it's like seven, eight guys.
9:29And so if you're if you're putting him in that tier, OK, well, now we're 20 names deep.
9:34And it makes you feel like he's a quote unquote below average quarterback because there's only 16 starting quarterbacks in the NFL
9:41or 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL. And if you're below 16, that means you're below average.
9:47That's not how it works. There's more solid to great starting quarterbacks in the league than there are not right now among the starters.
9:54And he's in the group that's good. So I think we need to move the Dalton line, I guess, is the best
10:01way to put it, from 16 down to like probably 22, 23.
10:05And if you're above that, you're good. And Bo Nix is above that.
10:10He's good. Yeah, there's multiple layers to this particular onion.
10:13And this is really a shell or a container, a play space that we in the media have built.
10:19And we're as guilty of it as anybody. We talk about quarterback as the most important position in the sport.
10:25And if you don't have one, you're sunk. I myself have said that several times.
10:30That's true. But if you do have something, not just the best, brightest, shiniest thing, you can win if the rest of your team is constructed well.
10:39The Broncos are constructed very well. They are an excellent football team.
10:42And I'm not saying they're dragging Bo along. Bo is good enough to play on a very good team to win 14
10:50games, which is an extremely rare achievement in the NFL.
10:53And these lists, these rankings, again, it is content that fills up most people's summers, not necessarily ours.
10:59We didn't want to do that kind of content for a bunch of reasons.
11:03So we built this instead. Glad you like it.
11:06But everybody looks at these lists all summer long for quarterbacks and gets mad about them.
11:11And quite frankly, that's what they're for. They're to drive engagement and to make you angry that your quarterback is 12th, not 8th.
11:18And I don't think that's fair because X. And to just stir up debate.
11:23That's what they're for. When in reality, yes, there are tiers of quarterbacks.
11:27And even if you're slicing the onion pretty darn thin, there's at least three to four tiers within the top 20.
11:34And there's a lot of quarterbacks in each of those tiers.
11:37There are very few of those tiers with only one or two guys that are extraordinary in some way.
11:43So on any given Sunday, Bo Nix could be the 12th best quarterback in the NFL.
11:48And on any given Sunday, he might be the 20th.
11:52It doesn't mean that either of those Sundays was bad, depending on how the rest of his team played.
11:58They might beat a very powerful team or lose to a bad one.
12:02They didn't do that very much last year because they were a complete organization.
12:06But these lists, people get very upset because, quite frankly, they're supposed to about their quarterback not being rated next to some
12:13other quarterback, maybe in the division whose team didn't finish as well.
12:17And they're like, but my team won 14 games and that guy's team won six games.
12:22So he's a better quarterback. And we have inadvertently built that perception.
12:26And we need to walk that back a little bit and have these discussions about Bo Nix is a very good quarterback.
12:33And we are going to do that today and talk about some specific examples of why he's seen the way he is.
12:40Some of the perceptions about Nix and the Broncos that are correct and some of them that are incorrect, factually incorrect.
12:47People will say things about the Broncos that simply aren't true.
12:51And so I think righting those wrongs and getting people aligned to what's actually occurring on the football field will help.
12:57Will it erase this? No, because the industry, quite frankly, wants this.
13:01They want hue and cry about things like rankings.
13:04And what better to rank than quarterbacks because it's a hot button issue?
13:08Everybody will look at it. And most everybody will get angry about it outside of two or three teams.
13:14Yeah, when's the last like positive Bo Nix discourse we've had?
13:18Think about this. If you make a ranking and 28 of 32 fan bases go, yeah, I actually think that's really fair for my starter.
13:26Did you get what you wanted in terms of engagement?
13:29No, you didn't. I mean, even today, again, we are recording this August 31st.
13:34This goes live in a few days. Again, we are towards the end of the series.
13:39We're kind of cutting a little close here. But earlier today, Dan Orlovsky said that if the Rams win the Super Bowl
13:46again and Stafford has two rings and MVP in his back pocket, he's going to be, you know, in the discussion for
13:53top five, top seven quarterback of all time. First of all, no.
13:57Second of all, that take did its job. It got two million views.
14:01Yeah, on Twitter. And I would say anytime somebody says something about any of the AFC West quarterbacks, the take is doing
14:08its job because it's so easy to be like, yeah, Mahomes is washed.
14:12They were terrible last year. Justin Herbert can't get it done in the playoffs.
14:16He's a fraud. Bo Nix, you know, Sean Payton, good offensive line merchant.
14:21Like, it's just, it's so easy to fire off takes about the AFC West quarterbacks and know that you're going to get engagement.
14:28That being said, I want people to give me a little bit of rope on this one.
14:33Maybe I'll hang myself with it if I execute this wrong.
14:37Just give me a little bit of leeway here.
14:40Careful on the footing. I think three things can be true at once.
14:44And the issue we run into is when people only think that one of these things is true.
14:50Not all three of them simultaneously. They sound contradictory.
14:53I promise they're not. So thing number one, the Broncos defense gave Bo Nix a margin for error that very few other quarterbacks get.
15:00Thing number two, in a couple key games, Bo capitalized on that margin for error where I think a lot of other quarterbacks wouldn't have.
15:08Take number three, Bo Nix has to get more consistent.
15:12The highs are very high. The lows are maddening.
15:14He has to smooth out that curve. He's not there yet, which is why he's in the tier that he's in, not the one above it.
15:23All of those things are true simultaneously. And here's why.
15:26The perception of the Broncos last year, and really the perception of Bo Nix, is this team got nothing done in the
15:33first three quarters, and then they were magicians in the fourth quarter.
15:37That's when they turn it on. That's when we see the real Broncos.
15:41That's when, if they could just play that way the entire game, they would be an unstoppable force of nature.
15:47And I will admit, I've played into that as well, because when we come on this show after the Eagles game or
15:54after the Giants game and we see what we saw, we get so excited by the tape.
16:00We get so excited by the crazy throws. We get so excited by, you know, delivering in these big moments that we're like, there it is.
16:08That's what it's supposed to be. Not to mention, I was also a Bo Nix guy pre-draft.
16:14So like, I've got to confirm my prior somehow, right?
16:17Right. And that plays into the narrative of that's what the Broncos are.
16:21Would you be surprised to know, and this is really more of a question for the people at home, because I read
16:28these numbers to EJ pre-show, and he was like, what do you mean?
16:32So for the audience, would you be surprised to know that if you take season long the numbers for Bo Nix in
16:39quarters one through three, and season long the numbers for Bo Nix in quarter four, he's actually a worse quarterback in the fourth quarter.
16:47Than he is in quarters one through three. Doesn't seem that way because of the high profile comebacks, but walk with me here.
16:54Adjusted completion percentage. This factors in drops. This factors in throwaways.
16:58He goes from 76.6% in the first three quarters down to 72.6%.
17:02So he drops by 4%. It's quite a bit when it comes to accuracy over a season long sample size.
17:08His passer rating goes down. His turnover-worthy play rate damn near doubles.
17:12Goes from 2.3 to 4.1. Big-time throw percentage goes down.
17:15TD to interception ratio gets worse. Yards per attempt, basically flat 6.3 to 6.4.
17:20You could argue that he's actually not an impressive fourth quarter quarterback compared to the first three quarters.
17:25But what do we remember? We remember, are you putting the ball in the paint?
17:30Right? Are you scoring? If you look at their scoring drive percentage, first three quarters, season long, they were 25th.
17:37If you look at their scoring drive percentage in the fourth quarter, season long, they were 6th.
17:42What's interesting about it is if you're looking at rankings, that's one thing.
17:46If you're looking at percentages, that's another. And I'll also use two other numbers to hammer this home.
17:52Rushing success rate, first three quarters, season long. They were 19th.
17:56Fourth quarter, they were 4th. Third down conversion percentage, season long, first three quarters.
18:00They were 16th. Fourth quarter, they were 6th. Here's the actual percentages.
18:04Scoring drive percent went from 37.8 to 41.0. That's actually pretty good.
18:08All right, nice little bump there. Rushing success rate went from 52.5 to 50.7.
18:12They actually went down. But their ranking got better.
18:15What's up with that? Third down conversion went from 42.9 to 41.7.
18:19Again, percentage went down. Ranking went up. Why is that?
18:22Because teams get worse as the game goes on.
18:25They get tired. Game plans fall apart. Sometimes there's mid-game injuries, like Micah Parsons tears his ACL in the third quarter against the Broncos.
18:33And so teams get worse. The average for scoring drive percentage first three quarters league-wide goes from 41.9% down to 36.4 in the fourth quarter.
18:41The average rushing success rate league-wide goes from 53.2 to 44.2.
18:44The average third down conversion percentage goes from 40.8 to 36.3.
18:48So the reason why the Broncos' rankings are so much better in the fourth quarter is they don't get worse as the
18:55game goes on at the same rate as everybody else.
18:58They're not necessarily a wagon in the fourth quarter, but they don't fall apart, which I think is a testament to the
19:05coaching staff and a testament to the players. Like, they have great stamina.
19:09I think they play, you know, physically from start to finish.
19:13Like, they really rise to the occasion and they don't wilt as the game goes on like a lot of other teams.
19:20And it makes them look like a fourth quarter juggernaut.
19:23But if you're looking at the actual quality of play, it's not really anything special.
19:28Which brings us back to the Eagles and the Giants games.
19:31There were only two games the entire year where at the start of the fourth quarter, the Broncos were behind.
19:38And it was the Eagles game and the Giants game.
19:41Week five, week seven. They obviously won both of those games, which I think is where the perception comes from because it was two dramatic comebacks.
19:49But if you're looking at how those comebacks happened, brings me back to the first statement.
19:54This Broncos defense gives them a margin for error that most other quarterbacks do not get the benefit of.
20:00So, start off with week five. At the start of the fourth quarter, they were down 17-3 against Philly.
20:07The Broncos offense started that game with this sequence of events.
20:10Punt, field goal, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt.
20:13They did fuck all the entire game. At the end of the third quarter, they started a drive that became a touchdown drive.
20:21Capped it off a couple minutes into the fourth quarter.
20:24That's great. Gets me to 17-10. Then the defense forced a three and out.
20:28The Eagles lost six yards and punted. So, no time bled off the clock and they got better field position.
20:35Then they scored on an admittedly great drive by Bowe.
20:38Bunch of explosive passes. Went for two. Took the lead.
20:41Forced another three and out after that. 11-play drive after that.
20:45Only one play in 11 got more than five yards.
20:48It was very much whittled you down in the fourth quarter.
20:51Because, again, it's not that they're getting better in the fourth quarter.
20:55You're just getting worse. And so they're going to take advantage of that.
20:59And then, at the end, the defense got a stop on their own 29-yard line to win the game.
21:05It's more of outlasting the enemy than anything. Get to the Giants game.
21:10Week 7. Down 19-0 entering the fourth quarter. Broncos offense started that game.
21:14Punt, punt, punt, punt. Turnover on downs. Punt, punt.
21:17Similar kind of story. Terrible. Then, J.K. Dobbins activates.
21:20Remember when I said good rushing success rate in the fourth quarter?
21:23Well, J.K. Dobbins to the rescue. Got about 48 yards on four carries.
21:28Got him into the red zone. Bowe finished it off.
21:31Touchdown. We're in business. Gets him to 19-8 because they went for two.
21:35Defense gave up a touchdown. Which, not common for them in the fourth quarter.
21:39Okay. Still on our back heels. 13-play Bowe drive.
21:42Plus another two-point conversion. 26-16. Five minutes left in the game.
21:4626-16. Still not great. Dart throws a pick. We're back in business.
21:50Again, defense showing up. Giving me an extra possession.
21:5319-yard touchdown drive because they started on the 19.
21:55Defense then forces a three and out. Uh-oh. It's 26-23.
21:59Then we get the first Bo Nix legacy drive.
22:01Takes the lead 30-26. Again, everybody was tuning into this game because it was absolutely insane in the fourth quarter.
22:08In fact, I also think it was one of the standalone afternoon games too, which helped.
22:13Defense then gave up another touchdown because of a 38-yard pass interference call.
22:17I always love that when it happens in the last 90 seconds of a game.
22:22That's great. Then we get the second Bo Nix legacy drive because Drew Lock completely shits the bed.
22:28And they win that game. The only two games all year where they start the fourth quarter down.
22:34And they win both of them. Because the defense gave them a shot and Bo Nix capitalized.
22:39But at the same time, you saw all the punts and all the turnovers there in the first three quarters.
22:45You want more from your starting quarterback if you want him to be considered one of the best in the league.
22:52You want to not be starting with like seven straight punts against the Giants and the Eagles last year.
22:58Right? All that to say, if you take out the Eagles game and the Giants game.
23:03Remember I said their fourth quarter scoring drive percentage was sixth in the NFL.
23:08If you take out just those two games, they drop down to 25th.
23:12The same as what they were in the first three quarters.
23:15Yeah. So I think all of those things are simultaneously true.
23:19The defense gave them a margin for error. They had the third most offensive possessions in the NFL because the defense kept giving them the ball.
23:27And they were not efficient, but they had volume on their side.
23:31And they were so good at not getting worse as the game went on that they were able to outlast and endure and just be the Denver Broncos.
23:40Because they have a better defense than you. They have a better offensive line than you.
23:45And eventually they were going to crack that nut and win the game.
23:49But I want everybody to understand the mechanics behind what this team actually was.
23:54They weren't fourth quarter magicians. They entered the fourth quarter with a lead most of the time.
23:59Yeah. And if you're going against that defense and you're behind, you're kind of fucked to begin with.
24:05We just we need to be realistic about what they actually were while also praising Bo for making the plays that he did in those two crucial games.
24:14This is why math is fun is when you look at disparate numbers and say, well, if that's true and that's true.
24:21How did we get here? And my take in looking at those numbers is Denver Broncos last year scored 401 points.
24:28Their point differential plus 90 was seventh best in the league.
24:31OK, if they have the 25th best scoring percentage or, you know, seventh worst.
24:36Right. If they're near the bottom league in scoring drive percentage for the first three quarters, how the hell they score all those points?
24:44And the answer is they had more bites at the apple than almost anybody.
24:48So anybody who believes that that whole diatribe is not true, that we're just trying to praise the defense and take some shine off of Bo or not.
24:57We're trying to shine a lot on Bo and say Bo is this.
25:01And that's good. We've said that several times and we believe that.
25:05But again, if you put Bo in a different situation where the offensive line was not as good or the offense in
25:12general, like the Broncos offense is a bit of a wagon in terms of skill positions.
25:17Or you put them on a team where the defense is a complete sieve.
25:22He doesn't win 14 games with the way he played.
25:25He could play exactly the same way in a different set of surroundings and it would not be a 14 game winner.
25:32It could be anywhere from a 10 or 11 game winner down to a six game winner, depending on how bad the thing that went away was.
25:41But the math, the leak in the math here is that the defense is going to give this offense more possessions than everybody else.
25:48So even though they're going to score at a lower percentage than most teams, than 24 other teams in the NFL, they're
25:55still going to put up the ninth or the seventh best point differential and go over 400 for the year because they're just going to keep grinding.
26:04And they're going to get a lot of, a lot of chances, a lot of bites the apple.
26:10So this is a team that's built the way you want it to be built.
26:15And this is going to come full circle when we talk about free agency, because there's a semi astounding number in that
26:22section that set me back on my heels. This is a complimentary football team.
26:26You want all the players on your 53 contributing.
26:29You want your defense supporting your offense and your offense, not putting your defense in holes.
26:34The Broncos do all of that because of the roster construction, because of the coaching, whatever.
26:39This is not a bad way to play football.
26:42We're not trying to characterize it that way. We're saying this, when you said being the Denver Broncos, the Broncos being the
26:49Broncos, the Broncos are good and they play to their identity and this is it.
26:54And they don't need a top five, six, eight quarterback to play that style.
26:58Bo won them 14 games playing this style because they played to their strengths and the team has been built in a very level.
27:06And I'll say sustainable way. And we'll get to that free agency.
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28:55And with that, let's get back to it. And I think, you know, the benefit of if Broncos fans are realistic and
29:02they allow themselves to be open to accepting the premise that he's not one of the 12 first quarterbacks that you're going to draft right now.
29:10If the entire league was put up for a draft, would he be one of the 12 first quarterbacks taken?
29:16Probably not. And if you allow yourself to accept that, in my opinion, reality, what that means is the Broncos last year were not at their ceiling.
29:25That means that 14 is actually not the upper limits of what this team is capable of.
29:31Because, not to oversimplify it, if you swap him with Justin Herbert, I really do think that they could have probably won
29:38maybe 15, potentially even 16, just because I perceive Justin Herbert to be that much of an upgrade at the quarterback position.
29:45Not that Bo Nix can't get there eventually, but just for what they are right now, Justin Herbert went 11-6 with the
29:52Chargers, which was a complete shell of a football team by like week 12, right?
29:56Still went 11-6, still was only three wins behind the Broncos last year.
30:01If you swap them, I don't think Bo Nix wins 11 on that team, and I don't think Herbert wins 14, I
30:08think is the best way to put it. And I think Broncos fans get offended by that, but it means, again, you guys have room to go up.
30:17You have room to go up to heights that I don't know if any other team other than the present-day Rams could get to.
30:24Because Bo Nix didn't play like one of the 12 best quarterbacks in the league last year, and they still won 14 games.
30:32Because of how dominant you are in the trenches, they have good skill position talent.
30:37I know when they traded for Waddle, it was like, oh, now they have their real receivers.
30:42Like, they had receivers last year. They had weapons.
30:45They're fine. But they're great up front. They have a great coaching staff.
30:49They've got weapons. Like, everything is there for this team.
30:52And if they had another tier-up of quarterback play, which here's the kicker, I think Bo can get there.
30:58So if you get Bo playing like Justin Herbert, yeah, they could win 15 or 16 games.
31:04It's just the frustration that he hasn't yet. And I think Broncos fans kind of want to skip to that part.
31:10Or they want their team to be perceived that way.
31:14Because they feel like they're being discounted as a 14-win team and thrown aside in favor of the shiny new object.
31:20And it's like, guys, you have to understand. They kind of played like shit a lot on offense and still won 14.
31:27It means that you have a ways to go.
31:30And that's exciting. That's good. Embrace the fact that you haven't hit your ceiling yet.
31:35Because there's a lot of teams around the league that have hit their ceiling.
31:40And they're not good enough to go all the way.
31:43You guys are. It's not in that neighborhood. And that should excite Broncos fans.
31:47Because, again, if Bo can reach that consistency. And a lot of people think Bo, as an older quarterback, obviously one of
31:54the most experienced quarterbacks ever to come out of college football, think, well, he doesn't have that capacity.
32:00I disagree. I think he can find that consistency.
32:03If we were just saying, look, it's a physical limitation, right?
32:07He just doesn't have very good wheels. Not true.
32:09He can absolutely move. He's not very tough. Absolutely untrue.
32:13He is a warrior back there. And he can throw the ball pretty well.
32:17It's about consistency. It's about making, I would say, more pedestrian plays.
32:21Not more stratospheric plays. Right? We've seen very big throws from Bo in big moments.
32:26It's not that he can't make those plays. It's, hey, man, you can't have whole games where you go three quarters without
32:33any substantive scoring with this offense and this offensive line.
32:36You have to be more consistent as the leader of that offense and as the trigger of that offense.
32:42And he knows that. I think Bo would say the same thing.
32:46And if he does that, which is doable, it's not like asking him to suddenly become superhuman and throw the ball twice as far, twice as hard.
32:55It's just saying, hey, with the skills you have that are good, find a way in those moments, in the earlier moments,
33:02to make sure that you're not in a hole approaching the third quarter.
33:06And for the most part, again, outside of two games, they did that as a team.
33:11They only entered the fourth quarter trailing in two games last year, which is an astounding stat all by itself.
33:17So they're not starting from a bad place. He is not a bad quarterback.
33:22He is not at his ceiling or, you know, unable to progress further.
33:26That's a scary thought. A 14-win team still has room to improve.
33:30And it's, I would say, reasonable to expect that they will.
33:33Well, like you said, a lot of teams have killed for that.
33:37They've already sort of topped out and they were a 9 or 10-win team.
33:42They either have to tear it down and start over or get really lucky and get one of those top five guys
33:49that everybody's after to elevate their game. They just don't have another path to that success.
33:54The Broncos do. I mean, shit. Some guys aren't seen as top 10 quarterbacks until they're seen as top 10 quarterbacks.
34:01You look at Sam Darnold. Yep. Right? Sam Darnold played a lot of bad football.
34:05Before he got to San Francisco, kind of got rewired a little bit.
34:10Then went to Minnesota, played great, went to Seattle, played great, won a Super Bowl.
34:14And now there's this perception of Sam Darnold that didn't exist 18 months ago.
34:19And I refuse to believe that Bo Nix can't undergo that.
34:22Now, he's not going to have to get cut by multiple teams and go be a backup of San Francisco first.
34:29But, like, I don't know. I've seen quarterbacks grow in the age that Bo Nix is right now.
34:35I've seen the leaps that they can take. And I do believe he has that capacity.
34:40Now, before we kind of go to the 2026 section, well, this is kind of partway into the 2026 section.
34:46I do want to talk about the star of the show to me, which is the defense.
34:52This team had the best pressure differential. Wow, sounded out, Brett.
34:55Best pressure differential in the league, meaning second best pressure rate allowed, third best pressure rate generated on the same team.
35:02Now, we've seen teams that have good pressure rates generated, terrible pressure rates allowed, and vice versa.
35:07The differential is like how good are you relative to your opponent on both sides?
35:12They're the best in the NFL. They're also the best in the run game as far as yards before contact per attempt.
35:19They're differential. Best in the NFL. They're eighth best in terms of generating it.
35:24They're best in the league in terms of stopping it.
35:27Yards before contact. Just incredible, incredible team in the trenches, which, again, is why they had the margin for error that they did.
35:34As far as philosophy, very blitz heavy team, very man coverage heavy team.
35:39Not only did they have one of the highest pressure rates in the NFL, they also had one of the highest sack conversion rates in the NFL.
35:47And that's because when they sent bodies at you, they sent a lot of bodies, and it's hard to dodge six of them.
35:55They were second most in five-man rushes. They were sixth most in six-man rushes.
35:59Overall blitz rate, sixth in the NFL. And in particular, on early downs, they were fourth.
36:04Like, they sent bodies at you. And they played a lot of man coverage behind it.
36:09Again, second highest in man coverage rate in the entire NFL.
36:13Now, the concern that I have, it's not about the secondary.
36:16It's not about the linebackers. It's about the pass rush.
36:20Because they did have a lot of guys that were really good at finishing rushes.
36:24We've talked about some teams where they get pressure, but they can't finish.
36:29Their sack conversion rate's terrible, even if their pressure rate's high.
36:32In some teams, the pressure rate's low, but their sack conversion rate's high.
36:36This team's good in both. Because there's two different components to rushing the passer.
36:41It's disrupting the quarterback and actually getting them on the ground.
36:44They had a bunch of guys that could finish the play and get the quarterback on the ground.
36:50Two of them won't be there. Right? John Franklin Myers, he's in Tennessee.
36:54Jonathan Cooper, he's on the commissioner's exempt list. For good reason, by the way.
36:59It's a really rough story. So, I don't know if he's coming back this year.
37:03Quite frankly, a lot of Broncos fans don't want him to.
37:07Again, for good reason. But that means they have a lot of production they have to replace.
37:12So, they're hoping they can get something out of DeAndre Tillman.
37:16They're hoping they can get something out of Quay Robinson, out of Jonah Ellis.
37:20They're going to have to platoon this thing like they did once upon a time when it was Barron Browning, Nick Benito, and a young John Cooper.
37:29Yeah. They've done it before, but it is a legitimate concern of mine.
37:33It should be. And again, they have done it before, and the player, the aforementioned Jonathan Cooper, was not considered a top pass rushing threat coming out.
37:42He was a mid-round choice. He had potential. He had to develop.
37:46Not even. I think he was seventh round. He was...
37:49Was Cooper seventh, or was he... Yeah. No, he's way down in the draft.
37:53Now, we valued him as a mid-round pick, but he ended up going way late.
37:58Yeah. I'm probably confusing the two because I had a fourth slash fifth round grade on him coming out.
38:04And again, it was like, hey, there are some flashes there, but much like Bo Nix, he needs to be more consistent.
38:11He needs to show that more often. And he grew into that role with the Broncos and became a preeminent part of the pass rush last season.
38:20He is not going to be there. They decided, again, team building for this team is fascinating.
38:25John Franklin Myers, to let him out the door.
38:28And I think with good reason. But one of those guys that you mentioned is going to have to step up and
38:35create pressure or a couple of them. That would be the ideal, right?
38:40It doesn't happen that often in the NFL that all three of your young pass rushers actually take a step.
38:46They just need one of them to take a big step and then another one to take a sort of mid-step so
38:53that they can be more than just down eaters, more than taking up space on that defense because this team, again, rests on its defensive success, right?
39:02The ability to stop the run is really where it starts.
39:05Fans, Joseph is always going to send a blitz.
39:08As you mentioned in multiple statistics, he needs guys that can finish those, right?
39:12Because we see teams that say, well, can't do anything else.
39:16We're just going to blitz the hell out of people, but they're not very good at it.
39:21It's all they have, so they do it a lot.
39:25Broncos do it a lot, but they're also good at it.
39:28And Vance Joseph counts on those guys to finish.
39:31And we've seen Vance Joseph defenses without guys that can finish.
39:35And he still sends blitzes, but the results are not as good.
39:38He needs people to get people on the ground.
39:41So those guys are going to have to step up.
39:45And the other part that you said is you're not worried about the secondary and they have a very high rate of playing man.
39:52We always say, well, if you can't play man, don't play man.
39:56You got Pat Sertan, man. You can play man.
39:59Like, play man if you want to. And they do because, again, they have the personnel.
40:04It reminds me of the Browns secondary several years ago now.
40:08It was loaded. And they were like, no, we'll match up.
40:11We'll play a lot of man. Like, our starting five is better than your starting five in terms of receivers.
40:18So let's go. We're going to win more often than we don't.
40:21And so the Broncos can play either way. Again, zone is the predominant defense played throughout the NFL.
40:27They have a higher man rate than most of the people.
40:31They still play plenty of zone. They're good at that too because, again, linebackers are solid.
40:36The secondary is very good. And the pass rush is making their job easier about, oh, 80% of the time.
40:42So they're going to have to continue that. If not, there's going to be more pressure put on the second level and the third level of that defense.
40:51And they might not be as good, again, if they're not creating as much pressure.
40:56That stands to reason. So they're either going to have to find that pressure from unlikely sources or find other ways to
41:03generate it through scheme, matchups, motion, any number of things.
41:06Vance Joseph is capable of doing that. But boy, he'd like to sit back as a defensive coordinator and go, my guys
41:13are going to beat your guys with what I got.
41:16Hi, Alternate Timeline Brett here. Before we get to all the 2026 stuff, if you've liked a lot of the data that
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44:14Absolutely. That nine year, by the way, is complete wizardry.
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44:34I just like the magic. It's fantastic. In terms of the power structure, I'm going to go through this.
44:40I'm going to put on my Brett hat for a little bit.
44:44I normally don't like blast a whole bunch of numbers at you, but there are a whole bunch of impressive numbers about this coaching staff.
44:52So we're going to hit those. And then we're going to get to what I think is really the meat of this
44:59episode in terms of how their team building works.
45:02One of my favorite parts of football overall. This free agency recap is staggering.
45:06Like I can't wait to get to it. A lot of times it's more of a pro former.
45:12Hey, here's who came in. Here's who they retained.
45:15Here's who they gained from outside. We just kind of run through it.
45:19And this one's a little bit different. We're going to spend some time on this one.
45:24But starting with the GM that's in charge of all those processes, George Payton, obviously the head coach, Sean Payton, I don't think gets his due, right?
45:33I think he did a masterful job of coaching this team last year.
45:37And, you know, again, the new shiny thing, right?
45:40Ben Johnson was new in Chicago. Liam Cohen was new in Jacksonville.
45:44They got all the plot. It's about, oh, they turn their teams around.
45:48Sean's up there in the mountains like 14 wins, guys.
45:51It's like, buddy, I dealt with Russell Wilson. Give me some credit.
45:5514 wins, guys. Come on. His assistant head coach and run game coordinator is Zach Streif.
46:00Again, an offensive lineman for him when he was coaching in New Orleans, who is now ascended to that position.
46:06And I think is one of several assistants on this team that could be in line to be a head coach down the road.
46:14The other one that is most notably talked about as the offensive wonder kid is offensive coordinator Davis Webb.
46:20We've been hearing for the last three years that he's on the fast track to being certainly an offensive coordinator.
46:26And he was. But a lot of people don't think it's going to stop there.
46:31Many, many people within the league think Davis Webb will be a head coach in this league at some point.
46:38And I don't think they're wrong. So defensive coordinator, Vance Joseph, longtime defensive coordinator, again, has a very particular style.
46:44But when he has the right ingredients assembled, it is obviously very effective.
46:48Again, we've seen it with and without. Without, it's not quite as good.
46:52And a lot of people have questions, not unlike some other defensive head coaches throughout the league like Todd Bowles.
46:59But when he has the pieces, nobody argues with the success.
47:02Special teams coordinator is Darren Rizzi. This is the number.
47:06We're going to start with the numbers piece now.
47:08Just between the two most experienced coaches on offense, not including Sean Payton, and the two most experienced guys on defense, there's
47:15over 125 years of coaching experience between four guys.
47:18Offense is Morton and Morgan, 27 and 28 years respectively.
47:22And then on the defensive side, it's Vance Joseph and Joe Vitt.
47:25And Joe Vitt is good for 45 years worth of coaching experience by himself, which is why that number goes to 125 between four coaches.
47:33Again, we talk about an entire staff in this division with over 200 years worth of NFL coaching experience between all of them.
47:41We're talking about four guys and this staff's at 125.
47:44Sean's been doing it since probably the mid 90s.
47:47That's without Sean Payton, who is a well-tenured head coach himself or just a well-tenured NFL coach himself.
47:53Unreasonable. The pass game coordinator is John. The aforementioned John Morton.
47:56And the offensive line coach is Chris Morgan. In the second level, but I'm going to give Chris the benefit of the doubt here.
48:04The front line is outstanding in terms of the offensive line.
48:07And one of the major reasons for this team's success.
48:11They are hoping they don't have to go to their reserves, just like the Chargers are hoping they don't have to go to their reserves.
48:19That ship sailed. Well, ding, ding. We're past that already.
48:22Exactly. Drink. Chargers are on a backup offensive lineman.
48:25Drink. Wide receivers coach is Ronald Curry. One of my favorite coaches to bring up, a former North Carolina quarterback and college hoop star.
48:32He was both and he chose football back in the day when he could have made probably a lot more money playing basketball, just like you can today.
48:41Salaries are larger there because rosters are smaller, but Ronald Curry is an absolute football gym rat and has been for a long time.
48:49The offensive quality control coach. This one's fun. Willie Sneed the fourth.
48:53So this is the son of Willie Sneed the third who played collegiately at Virginia and Florida and was drafted by the
49:00Jets in the get this 12th round of the 1989 draft number 321 overall.
49:04Yes, there used to be 12. Can you imagine if we had 12 rounds today, buddy?
49:09I, oh, I'll tell you this. Yes, it's dating myself.
49:13I don't have to imagine. I was a senior in high school.
49:17No, imagine doing a show. Oh, the day three stream for 12 rounds.
49:21The live stream. Yeah, no, no, we wouldn't. We wouldn't.
49:24That's yeah. That's what the chip marks are for.
49:27That's crazy. Senior defensive assistant. Saints legend, by the way, Willie Sneed the fourth.
49:31Did play for Sean for four years in New Orleans.
49:34That's where that comes from. These family relations that we talk about.
49:38The big Venn diagram of coaching families throughout the NFL.
49:42Well, this is how it happens. But it's fantastic to see that particular relationship on this staff.
49:47Senior defensive assistant, Joe Vitt. Again, 45 years of coaching experience by himself.
49:51Defensive line coach. Always going to call him out because we just talked about how good the pressure rates were on both sides.
49:59Generating and finishing. Usually teams are better at one than they are at the other.
50:03Broncos are good at both. Got a shout out to Mark Kane.
50:07Fourth season with the Broncos. Third as the defensive line coach.
50:11So he's in front of a lot of that.
50:14And then, interestingly enough, a former player, Michael Wilhoite, never seen this title before.
50:18His coaching title is Front Seven. Just all of it.
50:21Just Front Seven. Everybody. Same time. That's all it says.
50:24Front Seven. Never seen that coaching designation anywhere else besides here.
50:28So, again, Michael Wilhoite, former player himself, outside linebacker, and is now in charge of coordinating their Front Seven.
50:34Interesting approach. We've seen teams do this in the past with, at first it was nickel coaches.
50:39It was, you know, a secondary coach or a DB coach or a safeties coach.
50:44And then there were nickels specific coaches. That started seven, maybe eight years ago.
50:49And we saw pass rush specialists, right? It wasn't that I was a defensive line coach or an edges coach or an outside linebackers coach.
50:57I was a pass rush specialist. I'm just here to get everybody.
51:01The DTs, DEs, edges, offensive linebackers, or outside linebackers.
51:04I said offensive last time too, huh? That sucks.
51:06Sounded out. Anyways, getting all the players that rush the quarterback to do it better.
51:11And we see these specific titles is, again, there's no cap on coaching salaries.
51:16You can bring in any specialist you want to solve problems, attack an offense or defense differently.
51:21And we see certain staffs do that. And this is the Broncos take on that.
51:26And, you know, I'm not going to argue the results are really good.
51:30Also, I'm going to take this opportunity to shout out the Omaha Nighthawks.
51:34That's where Michael Wilhoite started his playing group before he got to the 49ers.
51:39He played under Vic Fangio on that 49ers. I was going to say, not in Omaha.
51:44He didn't. Not in Omaha. But he was there when all four of their linebackers were all pros, right?
51:50That was the Olden Smith, Bowman, Willis. Ahmad Brooks, I think, was the other outside linebacker.
51:55And then you had Justin Smith there. Like, just nasty, nasty, nasty front seven.
52:00So if anybody understands how the front seven works together, it would be Michael Will Hoyt.
52:05He was there for all that. So from there, I want to get to free agency.
52:10I want to take a moment to shout out Mercedes Lewis.
52:13He is 42 years old. That's why I highlighted him.
52:17He's one of the notable departures. I'm not convinced he's done, done.
52:20I think if somebody calls, they're like, our tight ends can't block.
52:24Can you run even a little bit? Like, give me like five yards of being able to run.
52:30Can you come in and basically be a sixth offensive live in for us?
52:34Which I feel like that's been his role for a decade now.
52:38Easy. Since he was the ripe young age of 32.
52:42You know, he's one of the best blocking tight ends ever.
52:45And that skill set can play forever. Again, I'm not totally sure we've seen the last of him.
52:51But the fact that he is a 42-year-old tight end that is still on the notable departures list on this summer series.
52:58That is incredible. Yeah. He's the guy you want.
53:01If you're talking about degrees of separation among football players, Mercedes Lewis is your cheating bridge at 42 years old.
53:07The people he played with as a rookie, well into the Hall of Fame now.
53:12You know, he's the guy. He's the string that connects.
53:15And, you know, could he play another year? I don't know if he even wants to.
53:20But I highlighted him because very rare to see a still effective in a role NFL player at over 40.
53:27I mean, occasionally we see kickers that old. Sometimes, obviously, notably quarterbacks.
53:31But in terms of a guy that basically played in the trenches for his entire career, especially in the last part of
53:38his career, he got closer to the formation. Unreal.
53:40Unreal. Yeah, it's like Jason Peters who played tackle until he was 40.
53:45Trent might play tackle until he's 40. I mean, he's still doing it.
53:49Like, just rare, rare, rare athlete. Yep, they can do that.
53:52Jaleel McLaughlin, pass catching back extraordinaire. Also gone. Currently not picked up, but could get a phone call here this week.
53:59It is cut down week right now. PJ Locke is now at the Cowboys.
54:04He went over there because he knows this defense, right?
54:07Again, knows Christian Parker's scheme really well. Christian Parker, Vic Fangio Lieutenant.
54:11PJ Locke thrived in that kind of defense. Makes sense, right?
54:14He'll be their third safety. And I think they are going to play a bunch of three safety stuff.
54:20So I could see him getting on the field quite a bit for Dallas this year.
54:25John Franklin Myers. This one just hurt. Right? Because I feel like he's been a good player for a long time.
54:32He just keeps bouncing around different teams. And he's been effective in every single destination.
54:37I wish they could have kept him. But again, $21 million.
54:40Maybe they were looking at their future cap. And they're like, eh.
54:44Like, we got some expensive contracts coming up. Like, we're going to have to deal with paying a quarterback pretty soon here.
54:51Again, assuming Bo continues on this trajectory. He's going to get paid.
54:55I think they felt good enough about the rest of the room that they could try to replace the production in the aggregate.
55:02But still, just from a, man, he's a good player.
55:06Sucks he's no longer here perspective. J.F.M., pretty big loss.
55:09Yeah. And here's the part that got me as I started assembling all of these lists and then the draft list after this.
55:16There are only two players on this entire list that came in from outside the org this year.
55:22They added. They draft well. They added. You have to.
55:25That's my point. Has to be a league low.
55:28Most teams simply could not operate this way. They wouldn't have enough players.
55:32They just wouldn't be able to field a team, period.
55:35So as we get into the re-signings, there are a lot of them.
55:40But then when you stack the fact that they only signed two outside free agents, they only had a single choice on
55:47the first two days of the draft. And of their total picks, they cut two of them on cut down day.
55:53It's a hard team to make. Like, it's a very hard team to make and a very quality roster construction to say,
56:00we're just going to nibble at free agency. And obviously the big one was Jalen Waddle.
56:06We'll get to that. But there were only two.
56:08It was just him and Tyson Anderson. That's it.
56:11Everybody else is either homegrown talent. And again, they didn't have many draft picks and that's not really going to hurt them because where would they go?
56:20They had two of them. They didn't even sign.
56:23So, I mean, or keep at the cut down to 53.
56:26So, in terms of re-sign, where the Broncos spent their money for all this homegrown or acquired talent, Ben Powers, the left
56:33guard, Alex Singleton, the linebacker, Adam Troutman. Shout out Adam Troutman.
56:37The first guy we ever interviewed together as we weren't even bootleg yet.
56:41We'd met each other. Was it him or was it Dane?
56:45It was one of those two. It was two guys in the same room.
56:49You said, who do you want to talk to?
56:52And I said, Dane Jackson and Adam Troutman. And Adam was the first one available.
56:57Uh, and we went and talked to him and then, uh, you ended up meeting his family at game day on Saturday and a whole bit.
57:05Just doing shots in the parking lot. Great group.
57:08Drove like 14 hours down from Dayton, Ohio, him and all his teammates.
57:12It was awesome. Great people. And Troutman's still getting it done.
57:16He's 29 now. So, shout out to him. He's always going to get shouted out if he's on these lists.
57:22Justin Stranod, the other linebacker. J.K. Dobbins, who was a big part of this team.
57:27Little Jordan Humphrey, backup wide receiver. Jake Womick Millen, the corner.
57:30Nickel. You can call him what you'd like. Um, and a bunch of others.
57:35And interestingly enough, when you look at that John Franklin Myers number of 21 million, like how many of these guys can you throw in that bucket?
57:44And the answer is like 11 or 12 of them.
57:47So for that $21 million, they got backup interior offensive line.
57:50They got backup safeties, backup edges. Deandre, uh, Deandre Tillman is on this list.
57:55Um, you know, there's so many players that they just went, okay, we can have one John.
58:00Franklin Myers or we can have like eight or nine guys that play substantive snaps for us.
58:06And that was the choice they make. It's the choice that all teams have to make in this process.
58:12And that's just the way they weighed it out.
58:15Again, not that JFM is not a good player.
58:18He was for them. And like you said, he's been at multiple other stops, but he keeps being a mercenary because he's
58:25good enough to generate those big dollar contracts because he keeps putting up results.
58:29And then people go, uh, do we want to pay him $20 million?
58:33I want to pay all these other guys. So he moves on, but they only brought in two players from the outside,
58:40Tyson Anderson, the safety for the Bengals. And then Jalen Waddle comes in, he gets the big 35, almost $36 million, uh,
58:47to be a, you know, marquee receiving threat in this offense.
58:51I do want to touch on that trade a little bit.
58:54I thought it was great. I thought it worked for both teams.
58:58You know, if you're looking at the timeline of each organization, right, Broncos trying to win a championship, felt like they needed just one more weapon.
59:07Not that they were bereft of weapons, but they felt like they needed one more, you know, somebody who could be effective
59:14after the catch and also be effective deep down the field.
59:17Um, you know, I think that was a role that they had hoped that Mims would really seize hold of and be like the guy for that.
59:26Not that I think Mims is a bad player.
59:29I think he's perfectly fine, but Waddle is just better.
59:32Better at it. Right. And if you're trying to win a championship right now, like, do we really care about having another
59:39first rounder when we're just trying to go win the whole damn thing?
59:43Like we're going to have to deal with the Rams.
59:46We're going to have to deal with the Seahawks.
59:49We feel slightly undergunned if we're going to have to do that.
59:53So let's go, go get a real difference maker that we don't have to wait to develop.
59:58So I thought it was a great trade for them for their timeline.
60:03And I thought it was a great trade for Miami for their timeline.
60:07They're like, well, we're not winning shit right now.
60:10By the time we think we're going to be good, he's going to be like 30.
60:15Yeah. So let's just get what we can for him.
60:18I thought it was great. Yeah. Interestingly enough, again, Waddle's 28, not, you know, overaged as a wide receiver.
60:24But if you're looking at a two to three year building timeline like you are in Miami, he's going to be 31 or 32.
60:32And is that what we really want? Interestingly enough, we're recording this on the day after the cut down to 53 and the establishment of practice squads.
60:40You know who the new youngest team in the NFL is?
60:44Who? Miami. Well, they better be. They better be.
60:47But it's interesting that Halfley came from Green Bay and Green Bay was notably for the last several years, the youngest starting team in the NFL.
60:55And now that designation follows him, transfers to Miami.
60:58We talked about how hard this team is to make.
61:01I think that was reflected in the draft. Again, they would rather spend their picks or their more valuable draft assets on
61:08somebody that they know can contribute right now. Because what do they really need another rookie receiver for if we can go
61:15out and get in jail at Waddle? So they ended up with six, no, seven draft picks total.
61:21And five of them made the team, I believe.
61:24Yeah. And again, no picks on day one. First pick they had was 66 in the third round.
61:30So no picks until the third round on day two.
61:33Tyler and Yadam, the interior defensive lineman from Texas A&M.
61:36I like him a lot. There were a lot of interesting DTs.
61:40We talked about at this point, most of them during the summer series that brought something.
61:45There was a lot of talent defensively on that Texas A&M squad.
61:49That's to say the least. And when you ended up watching that film, there were flashes from Tyler that I thought were really good.
61:57And again, did they happen often enough? No, but it felt like we're talking about a 22, almost 23 year old player.
62:04So again, not an overage player, not a guy necessarily to the ceiling.
62:08It's a player that I think landed in a perfect spot.
62:11We talked about the pressure that Vance Joseph wants to bring.
62:15We talked about the fact that he's going to rotate players in and out, that you need players who can play down
62:22the stretch and give you that juice on the pass rush into the fourth quarter.
62:27However, I think Njadim can become that. I don't think he is that right now.
62:31But if you, again, he's one of those players that when you're looking at all the other flashy talent on that defensive
62:39line, if you took his 10 best plays and put them in a highlight reel and put them in front of the
62:46coach or this defensive line coach and said, hey, do you want this?
62:50Because I don't think there's a defensive line coach in the NFL that would be like, you know, again, they would ask, well, how often does that happen?
62:59But if that's what he can give me, of course, I want that guy on my team.
63:04So the fact that, you know, he's their first overall pick, but he didn't get picked until 66.
63:10And he is just the rich getting richer, right?
63:13They already have a strong defensive line. They already have a versatile and very defensive line.
63:18He is another piece that's going to fit into that rotation and just give them killers down the stretch so that they
63:25don't fall off in the fourth quarter. And he's going to play, right?
63:29Like they, they rotate their guys a lot. So as far as my evaluation of him, I don't want to say it was a reach.
63:37It was, it was slightly earlier than I thought he would go.
63:41Well, not even slightly. It was earlier than I thought he would go.
63:45But I see the vision. And again, this is a roster that's so good that they're really just swinging for upside.
63:52They're not swinging for guys that, that are just going to be okay.
63:56They're like, we need to find needle movers here, or at least somebody who we think can be a needle mover if we develop them.
64:04And he's got enough talent that they, they like the long-term play there.
64:08Um, as far as the rest of their picks, I mean, it was one, two, three, four, five, six day, three picks,
64:15which for a roster that's talented, I'm actually not that surprised that, that two of them didn't make it.
64:21Yeah. Me neither. Again, they hopped down to the fourth round.
64:25They had two fourth rounders, a fifth rounder, and then two seventh rounders or sorry, three seventh rounders.
64:31So no sixth rounders in this group. Um, but Jonah Coleman, the player they got at one Oh eight, the running back out of Washington.
64:39I unabashed Jonah Coleman fan, not just because he was a Husky.
64:42I love the style with which he plays. I obviously have gotten to watch him play a lot of football and he is ready to go.
64:51You're talking about players that are ready to go right now and contribute.
64:55Jonah Coleman is that he does not need to be further developed.
64:59We saw some of that in the preseason as well.
65:02This is a guy who was in my tier three of running backs.
65:06He was right behind Emmitt Johnson. We talked about Emmitt Johnson in the chiefs episode this week.
65:12Jonah Coleman was in the same tier with him and Mike Washington.
65:15Is he as flashy? No. Is he as powerful?
65:18Yes. Is he as savvy as a runner? You very rarely see Jonah Coleman falling backwards.
65:23He is always getting the extra yard, falling forwards, maximizing the creases that the offensive line generates for him.
65:30That's a perfect fit in Denver. It's also scary good in the passing game.
65:34He is built like an absolute tank. He is, let me see, Jonah Coleman is 5'8", 220.
65:39It's just, he's just round. He's just a sentient, muscled up circle.
65:43He is a bowling ball and so much fun to watch.
65:47So powerful, but also very good in the swing game, passing game.
65:51And Sean Payton's used that famously in his time in New Orleans and has found a way to bring that to Denver as well.
65:58And Coleman's again, going to step right in. It's not like, oh, he's a good between the tackles runner and he's super
66:05powerful, but we're going to have to teach him the passing game or the pass pro game.
66:11No, Coleman's ready to go. He's a pro right now.
66:14And the Broncos are going to get good use out of him because of that.
66:19Wow. I was wrong. They didn't cut two guys.
66:22They cut three. Oh, who's the third one? They cut Miles Scott.
66:26Oh, I didn't know they cut Miles Scott. But again, another, so two seventh rounders and a fifth rounder, to be fair.
66:33It's not like they're cutting third rounders. That's a red flag.
66:36And Murdoch was also Mr. Irrelevant too, which again, considering the last, lack of depth now on day three because of NIL,
66:43it's, that's basically the equivalent of a, of a UDFA.
66:46Correct. We're just talking about quality of player in, in the draft, but man, so their next four picks, cage Casey, the
66:53guard out of Boise state, we both like, um, again, really great offensive line, probably not going to play because of that.
67:01But I think that if somebody gets injured, you could put them on the field and like, feel okay about it.
67:07Honestly, uh, Justin Jolie, um, who, you know, undersized, but really explosive, kind of like move tight end full backy hybrid figure
67:14out what he is kind of guy, uh, didn't make the team.
67:18Um, he got claimed by the dolphins, which I'm actually kind of jazzed about that fit for him.
67:24Uh, miles Scott, who we mentioned safety at Illinois.
67:27He also got cut, um, Dallin Bentley tight end at a Utah.
67:31So remember they took two tight ends really realistically.
67:34Only one was going to make it anyway. He's the one that made it.
67:38And then red Murdoch, the other linebacker out of Buffalo, Buffalo kind of cranking out linebackers lately.
67:43For sure. Um, he, he also didn't make the team.
67:47So I mean, looking at this class, that's the draft of a team that knows that they're ready to go.
67:53Yeah. Like really, none of them are really going to play more than 20% of snaps.
67:58Like that's probably the max I would say. Yeah.
68:01I mean, with looking at where they are in their position designations, Peyton famously, not huge on playing rookies anyways.
68:07And that's just a, you know, an organizational philosophy that served him very well.
68:12Uh, not all his fellow coaches feel that way, but he certainly does.
68:16And you look at where these guys stack up in the depth charts and again, situationally where they're probably going to be brought in.
68:24And yeah, they're going to be eased into this thing.
68:27None of these guys are the guy. And you, if you've been listening to this series all summer, we go through the
68:34drafts like this guy's going to start from day one.
68:37He's going to be counted on. He's going to have to be an engine of the offense or else they're going to be bad.
68:45That's not the case with the Broncos. This team already has all those guys in place.
68:50These are their backups. They're understudies. The guys that are going to learn, provide depth, and eventually be that cheap labor that
68:57we see re-signed in that big re-signing block that we just talked about when we went through free agency.
69:03So you'll see some contributions here. Uh, again, I liked, I liked Justin Jolie.
69:08I thought he was an interesting player, but again, I fit might actually be better with Miami.
69:13Dallin Bentley was a player that I really liked, got lost in a, what I think is a very deep tight end class.
69:20He made this roster. He's, he's going to be a player for them.
69:25Red Murdoch was an absolute hammer in the middle of this defense, like, or in the middle of his Buffalo defense.
69:31I, I think he could still latch on with another team in the NFL.
69:36He is the kind of player that's going to bounce around.
69:39He's going to be a bottom five player that's elevated back and forth between the practice squad and special teams and everything else.
69:47That's how he's going to have to make his star.
69:50I think he could eventually be a rotational starter, but again, they're just trying to put their tab on him in the
69:57seventh round and say, we don't want him to go to UDFA.
70:01UDFA as a result doesn't make this team just because they're really deep, not because he's a bad football player.
70:07So not a single UDFA made this team. I'll start with that.
70:11Here's a stat for you. Apparently the last time the Broncos did not have a single UDFA make the roster, they won the Superbowl.
70:19It was about 10 years ago, which I think it was the 2015 team.
70:23Was that the year that Peyton's arm was cooked, but they were so good.
70:28I think that was that year. But the last time no UDFAs made it, it was that year.
70:34So that's how good this team is. Again, just hammering that point home over and over and over again.
70:40They're like the anti-dolphins at this point. It's tough.
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71:46It's a show full of caveats. I'm doing it again.
71:49Yes, they won 14 last year. You could talk me into 15 win Broncos team.
71:54Looking at their schedule and also the fact that I am a little worried about the pass rush relative to last year
72:01in the pass rush, boy, did a lot of work for them.
72:05I'm setting the ceiling at 13. That's still good enough to be the one seed in the AFC.
72:11As far as I'm concerned, a one seed is a one seed.
72:14Doesn't matter how many wins you get. If the playoffs run through Denver again, good enough for me.
72:20It's hard to win 14 games, let alone back to back years.
72:24I still think 13 is a perfectly respectable ceiling for a Super Bowl contender.
72:29And really the telltale sign of a great team is floor.
72:32I would be stunned short of quarterback injury again.
72:35I would be stunned if this team won single digit games.
72:38I'm putting the floor absolute floor at 10, which means wild card is damn near worst case scenario.
72:44And first seed is the more realistic one of the two.
72:48If I had to guess. I think this is the first time all summer that we have matched.
72:53Exactly. We've matched in ceilings and we've matched in floors, but I don't know that we had another episode where we matched in ceiling and floor.
73:02It is 13 and 10 for me in terms of why it could all work.
73:07I said, it's already all working. And they added even more gas at wide receiver competition in their division is going to be tougher.
73:14The other teams are going to be better this year.
73:18That means they might win one less game, two less games.
73:21It could be more of a dogfight in this division, but there's still the leaders to win their division again.
73:27I do not. I'm not saying that they are the dark horse to win.
73:32I think they are the favorites to win this division.
73:35This is an incredibly strong foundation for this team, both in personnel and coaching.
73:40And because of that, in terms of how it could all fall apart, fall apart's in air quotes, because if the O-line
73:47health gets dinged up or the pass rush juice with Cooper suspended, there's potential pitfalls there.
73:52Other than that, this feels like no worse than a double digit win team.
73:56That's worst case is that they're going to win double digit wins, 10 wins.
74:01And again, they'd still be in the, in the hunt for a wild card.
74:05Most likely at that point, that's if everything goes wrong, that's crazy.
74:09That's a sign of respect for this team that they're not going to do worse intent.
74:14And I think they're actually going to be much closer to 12, 13.
74:18And again, like you, if somebody told me right now, Hey, I'm from the future and the Broncos won 15 games this year, I'd be like, huh?
74:27Okay. Yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't scoff at it.
74:30I'd be like, yep. I could see that. Not like, are you sure?
74:34So did Bo win MVP? Cause that's prove your future.
74:37Yeah. At that point, everything's good. But even at 13, they win the division.
74:42You don't want to play in Denver in the playoffs against this team with Bo Nix staying on the field.
74:48It's, it's not going to go particularly well for you.
74:51So again, we'll see how it plays out throughout the season.
74:55Preseason is very different than when we start getting into the post season.
74:59Lots of things happen. That's why we watch the sport.
75:02That's why we love this sport. It's why you love this sport.
75:06But right now at the outset with everything we know with a 53 man roster set, Denver is one of the most
75:13powerful teams in the AFC and a strong threat to win it as a conference.
75:18Side tangent here. Cause I was trying to think of like, okay, other than Bo, like what's the one injury that could
75:25make them go down to 10 Garrett Bowles. Maybe I was thinking Sertan.
75:29I mean, Bulls too. I mean, I think they honestly, I think they could survive.
75:34Yeah. I think they could survive Bulls getting injured easier than they could survive Sertan getting injured.
75:39If something happened again, knock on, this isn't wood, knock on metal.
75:43That's why I have a wood desk, man. He stays healthy.
75:47So right here. Wish injuries away. If Pat gets hurt.
75:50Sure. I really do think he might be one of the only DBs in the league that is worth three wins.
75:57Like truly, just because the entire structure of their defense kind of relies on him being Pat Sertan.
76:02But if he stays healthy again, I struggle to see a path to 10.
76:07Yeah. It's very difficult. Sean Payton is a really good coach.
76:10And again, this is not a team that is dependent on a quick strike offense or a gimmick on defense or anything else.
76:18The offense and the defense are both very sound, right?
76:21They can run the ball. They can throw the ball.
76:24They can probably throw the ball even better this year.
76:27Because Bo has another year of experience in the system, the offensive line.
76:32They didn't really have major losses at all. And they added a major piece to the passing offense in Waddle.
76:38Okay. They're still going to be able to do things on offense.
76:42Okay. Defense. We have our reservations about the pass rush, finding another player.
76:46They've got waves of guys, but somebody does have to step up.
76:50Linebackers. The same. Pretty much. Secondary. The same. And very talented.
76:53Again, there are two. There's too much talent on the coaching side, on the roster side, to imagine this team just completely hitting the skids and falling apart.
77:02Like, I can't imagine that scenario. And I can imagine a lot of scenarios.
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The Reigning Champion is...Underrated?
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How good are the Rams, actually?
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