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League-Winning 3rd Round Fantasy Football Targets & FADES

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Jul 18, 2026
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Sat, July 18, 2026
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DeVonta SmithRashee RiceZay FlowersGarrett WilsonDerrick HenryGeorge PickensJeremiyah LoveChris OlaveA.J. BrownKenneth Walker IIIMarvin Harrison Jr.CeeDee LambCourtland SuttonJaxon Smith-Njigba
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A.J. Brown

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A.J. Brown is a far more physical, bigger wide receiver who typically runs most of his routes at the X position and is a much better yards-after-catch player than DeVonta Smith.

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A.J. Brown has consistently been top 10 in first read rate, target share, and air yard share across multiple years regardless of offensive coordinator, demonstrating elite efficiency metrics.

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A.J. Brown is a far more physical, bigger wide receiver who typically runs most of his routes at the X position and is a much better yards-after-the-catch player than comparable receivers.

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PositiveProjection6:13

A.J. Brown has maintained elite yards per route run efficiency throughout his career, never dropping below 2.5 until the most recent year, demonstrating unrivaled per-target efficiency with downfield ability and YAC skills.

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Amon-Ra St. Brown

PositiveValue0:31

Analyst prefers St. Brown slightly over George Pickens in round three, ranking him ahead of Pickens in draft priority.

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Carnell Tate

PositiveBreakout0:27

Ohio State wide receiver expected to crush ADP in 2025, continuing the trend of Ohio State receivers outperforming draft expectations.

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CeeDee Lamb

PositiveProjection0:28

A healthy CeeDee Lamb could change George Pickens' outlook, as Lamb's return to full health may reduce Pickens' target share and efficiency.

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When Lamb misses time, Pickens shows contingent upside and spike week ability, demonstrating his value as a secondary option in the Dallas offense.

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Chris Olave

PositiveProjection0:18

Analyst really likes Chris Olave, who is living in round three coming off a career year in Kellen Moore's first season as offensive coordinator.

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Olave is coming off a career year with 16.8 PPG, 156 targets, 100 catches, and 1,163 receiving yards under new head coach Kellen Moore and QB Tyler Shuck, and the speaker believes the offense will be 'catered towards Olave' with a history of wide receiver success under Moore.

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NegativeBust0:18

Olave was a disaster pick in 2024 when he went at the 2-3 turn, playing only eight games due to concussion concerns, representing a cautionary example of paying premium prices for receivers.

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PositiveValue0:19

Despite paying a premium price in round three, the speaker still likes drafting Olave there and believes the Saints offense is 'one of the ones that we're betting on to break out.'

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NegativeProjection0:21

Olave is getting a boost from last year's results but is being faded this season; the analyst prefers Waddle as an equivalently talented number one receiver.

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Ohio State wide receiver expected to crush ADP in 2025, continuing the trend of Ohio State receivers outperforming draft expectations.

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Courtland Sutton

NegativeValue0:21

The speaker has less optimism for Courtland Sutton compared to Jordan Addison as a talent-based upside bet in the Denver offense.

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Sutton is viewed less favorably than Jordan Addison as a talent-based upside bet in the Denver offense.

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Denzel Mims

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Mims is coming back for a second year with the Jets as part of their skill group additions.

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Derrick Henry

PositiveProjection0:00

Derrick Henry was nearly the league winner at running back in his first year in Baltimore in 2024, and would have been a bigger storyline if not for Saquon Barkley's season.

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Henry, who usually goes in round two, is being considered as a potential third-round target when he falls, having delivered spike weeks and league-winning performances in the fantasy playoffs last year.

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Henry is ranked just ahead of Jeremiah Love at the two-three turn, with the analyst believing he will be a very good rusher despite his age profile, and has massive sprint upside especially in FFPC format.

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PositiveValue0:39

Ranked just ahead of Jeremiah Love at the 2-3 turn and considered reasonably priced this year; analyst would strongly consider him at picks 101-102 despite his age 33 profile.

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PositiveProjection0:40

Possesses one of the highest ceilings of any running back in the sport, with massive sprint upside in cumulative scoring formats where a single 42-point week carries through the rest of the season.

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Historically unprecedented at age 33—no running back has averaged more than 15 points per game at that age in NFL history; continues to destroy drafters and gains production as weather gets colder.

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PositiveProjection0:41

Structurally makes sense as a running back target in this range; unlikely to burn you despite being younger alternatives with more upside and pass-catching potential.

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DeVonta Smith

PositiveValue0:02

Jacob Sanderson has DeVonta Smith ranked at 302 overall, viewing him as a major priority in round three with a significant drop-off after pick 301, and considers him his favorite floor and ceiling combo among the next group of receivers.

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DeVonta Smith showed he could elevate to WR1 level as a rookie, but has settled as WR2/WR3 due to A.J. Brown's arrival; Smith can win as a receiver at every depth of the field and from every position (slot, X, Z).

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PositiveProjection0:03

In 2024, Smith played without A.J. Brown for a couple of games with a competent offensive coordinator and crushed it, seeing 20 targets in under two games (before injury), 155 yards, a touchdown, and averaging 18 PPR points per game.

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PositiveBreakout0:03

Without A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith has an opportunity to stake his claim as one of the better wide receivers in the NFL.

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PositiveValue0:04

Theo Greminger included DeVonta Smith in a dark horse league winners video, noting that simply inheriting the A.J. Brown role would be enough for him to be a smash value, and Philadelphia beat reporters believe he could be used like JSN.

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PositiveProjection0:04

DeVonta Smith has averaged 15 points per game twice at age 27, demonstrating a proven floor rather than theoretical upside.

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PositiveValue0:20

The speaker compares Devonta Smith's talent level to Chris Olave's, suggesting they are 'pretty similar guys' in terms of pure talent despite Olave's recent production spike.

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PositiveProjection5:03

DeVonta Smith is projected to be a low-end wide receiver one with an estimated 2.2-2.3 yards per route run, making him a fringe WR1 or just inside the top 12 in fantasy rankings.

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PositiveRole5:29

DeVonta Smith is a more precise player than A.J. Brown who can get open on a wider variety of routes, and the new offensive coordinator Sean Mannion is expected to use him more on post routes, dig routes, and lateral movement in addition to downfield throws.

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PositiveValue6:30

DeVonta Smith is ranked at 27 overall in PPR rankings at RotoWire, slightly higher than ADP in some formats, with analyst Jacob ranking him at 26 overall.

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Garrett Wilson

PositiveValue0:33

Wilson is a talent-based case who occasionally falls into round four but appears in round three, making structural sense in this range.

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Wilson is one of the best target earners in the league since entering the NFL and will walk into a massive target share even with the Jets' added weapons.

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Wilson is one of the easiest receivers to get open on Earth and will command a massive target share regardless of offensive circumstances.

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Wilson is ranked 33rd overall and is getting a much cheaper price than ever since his rookie year due to market fatigue, despite setting career highs in targets per route run and efficiency last year.

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Wilson set career highs in targets per route run and was more efficient than most of his career last year, suggesting he may have been leveling up as a player before his injury.

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Wilson is ranked ahead of Tulu Atwell McMillan and just behind Jaylen Waddle among the three receivers the analyst wants to be overweight on in the draft.

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Wilson was tracking as an unbelievable pick last year with WR1 weekly finishes in four of his first five weeks, scoring 19 points in each of those finishes before getting injured.

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Wilson is now priced in the fourth round after previously going at the 1-2 turn in high stakes drafts post-rookie year, making him structurally interesting especially in round four.

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Geno Smith

PositiveProjection0:35

The analyst is more of a Geno optimist than the market, having been a big fan when he was in Seattle, though he played poorly last year.

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George Fant

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Fant is going into year three as one of two really young tackles on the Jets with upside on the offensive line.

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George Pickens

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Sitting in round three with tremendous efficiency metrics: third in red zone targets, top 10 in first downs per route run, 17+ PPG, top-five WR with career highs (137 targets, 93 catches, 1,400+ yards) at age 25.

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Analyst compares Pickens' profile to Tee Higgins, noting the talent gap between Pickens and Lamb is closer than the gap between Higgins and Chase, making him a reasonable early third-round target.

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Pickens' talent gap to CeeDee Lamb is closer than Higgins' gap to Chase, making him a reasonable early third-round target with upside in a fun Dallas offense.

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Pickens is positioned between Smith and Rashee Rice in rankings, with the analyst expecting to own a share or two in their main event portfolio.

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Analyst expects to own 'a share or two' of Pickens in main event portfolio, ranking him between Amon-Ra St. Brown and Rashee Rice.

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Pickens is going off the board as wide receiver 12/low-end WR1 and is expected to finish in a similar range, with contingent upside when CeeDee Lamb misses time.

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PositiveValue0:31

Pickens is not a player to reach for in the second round; he should be available at the end of the third round and doesn't require an early pull.

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Isiah Pacheco

PositiveRole0:17

The speaker advocates for running the ball more with Pacheco, describing him as 'the first time they have a real threat at running back' for the Chiefs, and believes the team should 'run a lot more and do it with Walker and try to create explosives in the run game.'

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James Cook

PositiveProjection0:00

James Cook had a career year last year with 1,600-plus rushing yards and averaged nearly 18 points per game, going very close to JSN in ADP.

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Jaxon Smith-Njigba

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JSN was an early third-round pick last year and lit the fantasy football world on fire, living in the middle of round three for most of the summer before being drafted at the two-three turn.

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PositiveBreakout0:27

Ohio State receiver who caught 100 passes, part of the trend of Ohio State wide receivers crushing their ADP.

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Jaylen Waddle

PositiveValue0:20

The speaker prefers Jaylen Waddle over Chris Olave, believing Waddle is 'equivalently talented' but runs 'even more routes than Olave with how much Denver passes,' making him a better value at similar draft cost.

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PositiveProjection0:21

Waddle probably runs even more routes than Olave given Denver's passing volume, making him an attractive target in the 3rd round.

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Jeremiyah Love

PositiveValue0:39

Love is straddling the two-three turn with Derrick Henry, with the analyst ranking Henry just ahead of him despite Love being the choice a past version of the analyst would have made.

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PositiveBreakout0:42

Elite talent and third overall pick being faded by drafters; possesses peak Alvin Kamara-type fantasy ceiling with great receiving upside and explosive big-play ability comparable to Jahmyr Gibbs and James Cook.

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Getting a crazy discount for the number three overall pick; available at end of third round and becomes an auto-pick if he falls to round four.

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Ranked at FFPC ADP of 25 and going at that price consistently; represents the right cutoff point and analyst really wants to be in on him.

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PositiveRole0:43

Pathway to upside comes through the passing game; not worried about Tyler Allgeier or James Conner taking carries between the 20s, as Love can still rack up significant fantasy volume.

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PositiveProjection0:44

Cardinals likely to justify their third overall pick investment by giving Love goal-line carries rather than Tyler Allgeier, given the largest guaranteed money ever given to a running back.

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PositiveValue0:44

Difficult to draft over players going directly above him (Chase Brown, Derrick Henry, AJ Brown, Nico Collins) despite analyst's desire to be in on him.

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Jordan Addison

PositiveProjection0:21

The speaker has 'a lot more optimism for Jordan Addison as a talent-based upside bet,' noting his ability to draw volume with a career targets per route run over 30% in college.

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The second speaker expresses concern that Jordan Addison, compared to CeeDee Lamb, will compete with Chris Olave for targets in the Saints offense, potentially limiting Olave's volume.

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Kenneth Walker III

PositiveValue0:17

Co-host prefers Kenneth Walker over Rashee Rice in the third round, viewing Walker as the better way to play the Chiefs offense.

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Analyst is bullish on Kenneth Walker as the Chiefs' first real threat at running back and believes the team should lean into the run game with him.

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Analyst believes Walker should be featured in both the run game and passing game to create explosive plays and improve the Chiefs' offensive efficiency.

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Kenny Stills

PositiveRole0:34

Stills was drafted as a first-rounder by the Jets to add to their offensive weapons.

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Malik Nabers

PositiveBreakout0:01

Malik Nabers was targeted as a rookie and finished as a top-five wide receiver coming out of round three, providing league-winning value.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

PositiveValue0:23

Harrison is being drafted at a discount (ranked around 60th overall, round 5-6) after his underwhelming rookie year, presenting value as the market has severely punished him despite his prospect pedigree.

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PositiveBreakout0:25

With a new scheme and a couple years older, Harrison should show his best production; similar to how outside receivers like Pickens and Nico Collins took time to reach their apex.

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PositiveBreakout0:27

Ohio State wide receiver expected to crush ADP in 2025, continuing the trend of Ohio State receivers outperforming draft expectations.

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Mekhi Becton

PositiveRole0:35

Becton is going into year two as one of two really young tackles on the Jets with upside on the offensive line.

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Michael Wilson

NegativeValue0:24

Wilson is being faded in favor of Marvin Harrison Jr., with the analyst preferring Harrison's discounted price and upside over Wilson at current ADP.

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Rashee Rice

PositiveValue0:13

Rashee Rice is ranked 28th, slightly behind ADP, and is going in the third round as a polarizing player with limited league-winner type arguments.

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Ranked at 28, slightly behind ADP, but analyst expresses significant concerns about his sustainability as a fantasy asset due to over-reliance on short-route PPR production.

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Rice's value is significantly higher in full PPR scoring compared to half PPR, making him a better target in FFPC leagues.

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Analyst prefers full PPR scoring for Rice due to his PPR-dependent production style, suggesting he's better valued in FFPC leagues than standard formats.

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Rice's role has been weird and inconsistent, though he had been efficient within that role prior to last year.

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NegativeBust0:14

Despite maintaining volume and fantasy production last year, Rice's efficiency took a significant nosedive, and opposing defenses have begun to shut down his short-route game by season's end.

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NegativeRole0:14

Analyst questions the sustainability of the Chiefs running 28-30% of their targets through Rice on 6-yard routes, viewing this as an inefficient offensive strategy that teams will continue to exploit.

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NegativeBust0:16

Analyst expresses nervousness about Rice as a fantasy bet because he views Rice as a limited player compared to other wide receivers at his ADP, making him a risky investment.

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PositiveProjection0:16

Co-host believes Rice is priced correctly at current ADP and expects his PPR-dependent production to be reduced this year due to increased Kenneth Walker usage in the Chiefs offense.

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PositiveValue0:31

Analyst ranks Rashee Rice in the same tier as George Pickens for round three, with Pickens positioned between St. Brown and Rice.

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Rashod Bateman

NegativeRole0:12

Rashod Bateman is being discussed as potentially more productive than Elijah Serrat, which speaks to how limited the Ravens' wide receiver competition is.

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Tee Higgins

PositiveValue0:30

Analyst compares Higgins' profile to George Pickens, noting that while Pickens was going two rounds later last year, now Higgins is going later, suggesting shifting market valuations.

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Terry McLaurin

PositiveBreakout0:27

Ohio State wide receiver who crushed their ADP in 2024, part of a trend of Ohio State receivers outperforming draft expectations.

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Travis Kelce

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Analyst views Kelce as a highly limited player at this point in his career.

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Tutu Atwell

PositiveValue0:20

The speaker mentions Tutu Atwell as a comparable talent to Chris Olave in the late round two to early-to-mid round five receiver range, suggesting similar talent profiles.

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Xavier Worthy

PositiveBreakout0:15

Analyst finds Xavier Worthy interesting coming off a shoulder injury, suggesting we may see a better version of him this year compared to last season.

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Despite potential improvement from injury recovery, Worthy remains limited as a player due to his size and ball tracking issues.

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Zay Flowers

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Flowers has underperformed his peripherals due to limited routes (declining from 588 as a rookie to 470-479 recently) and lack of goal-line targets, but has clear opportunity for improvement.

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Flowers is being priced as a fine pick based on recent performance, but has significant upside if routes and touchdowns increase, potentially performing like a round 1-2 player.

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With a new offensive coordinator and Mark Andrews aging, Flowers has a massive opportunity to improve to 7-8 touchdowns and increase routes, which would significantly boost his fantasy value.

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Flowers is going at the end of the third round and represents a nice consolation prize with higher upside potential.

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If Baltimore improves from 31st-32nd in pass attempts to 20th-22nd, Flowers would be the big beneficiary, and could achieve 8 touchdowns with career highs in catches and targets if Lamar Jackson returns to high touchdown pass seasons.

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The speaker prefers Zay Flowers over Chris Olave at similar ADP, noting that Flowers is 'probably way more of the clear number one in his offense than Olave is in his,' making her a better value bet.

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PositiveBreakout7:06

Zay Flowers has generated positive vibes with strong relationships with new offensive coordinator Declan Doyle, ended the year on a high note, and is expected to have a big year in the new scheme.

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PositiveValue7:06

Zay Flowers has moved up from the fourth round to the third round in early drafting and is ranked at 30 overall, representing good value in the middle of the third round.

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PositiveProjection8:22

Zay Flowers has shown elite efficiency improvement, increasing from 1.72 yards per route run as a rookie to 2.25 as a sophomore and 2.53 last year, matching the elite efficiency numbers A.J. Brown has consistently produced.

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Zay Flowers' route count has declined from 588 as a rookie to 470 and 479 in subsequent years, not due to team limiting him but because the Ravens have had lower pass rates in recent seasons.

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Episode Transcript

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0:05>> Can we find league winning values inside of the third round of drafts in 2026?
0:11Theo Greminger, RotoWire lead fantasy football analyst, joined today by Jacob Sanderson. Jacob, we have seen some unbelievable values come out of these this round in back-to-back
0:22years. Last year, Jaxon Smith-Njigba sort of lit the fantasy football world on fire. He was an early third-round pick.
0:29>> The really the highest we ever saw him go was the two-three turn, but for most of the summer, he was living sort of in
0:35the middle of round three. And then we saw James Cook, who was going very close to JSN. Of course, James Cook had a
0:42career year last year, 1,600-plus rushing yards, and averaged nearly 18 points per game. Both of those guys were fantastic. Go back to 2024. Derrick
0:53Henry was nearly the league winner at running back in his first year in Baltimore. If it wasn't for Saquon Barkley, he probably would've been a
1:00bigger storyline that year. And we had Malik Nabers, a guy that we were both in on as a rookie target. He finished as
1:07like a top-five wide receiver coming out of round three. So, we find league winners. We also find some absolutely awful picks in this range. That's what
1:16makes it a little harder. I had your guy Mike Shope on. We broke down the second round. The second round feels a lot
1:21better than round three right now. Who are Who are players you're gravitating towards in these in the round in round three right now that you think provide
1:30potentially league-winning value?
1:33>> Yeah, first off I'll say I tend to agree with you about round three. I think it's a tricky spot.
1:38Round three, I just released my FFPC rankings this week. You can go check those out on Thinking About Thinking.
1:45And I probably had more guys that I pulled up into round three than in any of the other initial rounds. Where I was I was
1:53pretty willing to at a certain point pull guys that have round four, mid to late ADP's even, and just pull them up
2:00into round three. And if there's two guys in round four that I like better than some of these guys in round three,
2:05I'll just draft two of them. But there definitely are exceptions. There's a few guys I am making uh a major priority to grab in this
2:13round. First one's Devonta Smith. Um he is an interesting spot in my rankings where I feel like there is a pretty
2:21significant drop-off after 25. So right after the 301, and then it becomes kind of a dealer's choice. And Smith is my
2:29next player up. So I have him ranked all the way up at the 302 currently.
2:34Um I've always been a huge fan of Devonta Smith.
2:37I thought as a rookie he already showed that he could potentially elevate to that wide receiver one level in fantasy football. Unfortunately, or well
2:46fortunately for the Eagles, but unfortunately for Devonta Smith, A.J.
2:49Brown kind of gets brought in right on top of him as he's in the middle of this ascent. And for the most part he's
2:55settled in as kind of a wide receiver two, wide receiver three since that time.
2:59I don't think that it's a talent issue.
3:02Everything that I see from Devonta Smith in terms of what he can do at every single depth of the field, playing from
3:07the slot, playing from X, playing from Z, he can win as a receiver in every way that you want. I think you could design
3:12an offense around him with a 28% target share and it would be a completely fine passing game.
3:17We saw a snippet of him without A.J.
3:20Brown in 2024 for a couple of games with a competent offensive coordinator. He crushed. He was able to see 20 targets
3:28in under two games cuz he left the second one injured, had 155 yards and a touchdown in that spot, averaged 18 PPR
3:35points per game. Um so I see Smith without A.J. as having an opportunity to really stake his claim as one of the
3:42better wide receivers in the NFL. Um I think he's probably my favorite like floor and ceiling combo of kind of everyone in that next group of receivers
3:51if you want to talk about him and Pickens and Flowers and Wilson and kind of whoever else from that group.
3:58>> Yeah, so it's interesting. Like DeVonta Smith, I agree with you. He's a really, really fun click. I dropped like a dark
4:03horse league winners video, one of the first things I did here at RotoWire.
4:07Um and Smith was one of them because just simply inheriting the A.J. Brown role would be sort of enough for him to
4:15be a smash value here. And it's not a player that's like a theoretical, this guy could explode. Like we've seen him
4:21average 15 points per game twice. He's 27 years old and we hear all this like Philadelphia uh beat reporters sort of
4:28saying, "DeVonta Smith could be used like JSN if we wanted to do it." Like they all believe in the talent there.
4:34How similar do you think some of like the the the the analytical numbers will look when you look at A.J. Brown? Like A.J.
4:41Brown, you know, we've seen multiple years where regardless of the offensive coordinator, A.J. Brown is like top 10 in first read rate, if not top five.
4:50He's top 10 in target share, air yard share. Like do you think this is like a one-for-one or it's going to look kind
4:57of different when we get to the end of it?
4:59>> I think it's going to look a little different, more in deployment and style than in statistics. Um so like they're
5:06very different wide receivers.
5:08Uh I'm A.J. Brown, of course, far more physical, bigger wide receiver, typically is going to run most of his routes at the X wide receiver position.
5:16I think the biggest thing that you can say for Brown over Smith is he's just a much better yards after the catch player. Smith just
5:22at his size is not really going to be the one trucking guys in the open field and breaking off 20 yards after a slant
5:29route. But I do think at least at this point in their respective careers, Smith is probably a more precise player, um
5:36probably able to get open on a wider variety of routes. And so I'm going to put my faith in Sean Mannion that he is
5:43going to be the the quality of coach that will change up kind of how this offense has run from previous years and
5:50I think using Smith more on post routes, dig routes, in addition to some of the downfield stuff that Hurts always throws
5:57well, um get him moving laterally. I think he's going to have a lot of success. So, in terms of where the stats end up, I I
6:03think he could be a low-end wide receiver one, which is kind of what we've seen of Brown the last couple of
6:07years. Um you know, if we want to get into like a yards per route run stuff, Brown has been unbelievable throughout
6:13his career. Like he until this most recent year, I think he'd never been below 2.5. Um that's a lofty ask, you
6:21know, I don't I don't know if I would forecast Smith to be all the way at that level because I think Brown's per target
6:26efficiency with the combination of downfield ability and YAC skills at his peak was pretty unrivaled. But like I would probably project Smith somewhere
6:35in like the 2.3 uh 2.2 yards per route run range and I mean for fantasy, I I think he'll be a fringe wide receiver
6:41one if not I'm just inside the top 12.
6:45>> Yeah, and my rankings over at RotoWire, the PPR rankings are fully up. I have Smith at 27 overall. So, I think a
6:51little bit slightly higher than ADP in some formats. Do you think that that's about right, Jacob? Are you steaming him up even more?
6:58>> I mean, I'm steaming him up literally one spot more. I'm at 26. So, we're pretty darn aligned on that.
7:02>> We didn't even talk about this before the show. So, we're we're pretty locked in on Smith. Let's talk about Zay
7:07Flowers though and I had this conversation with Mike Shope um and again, Jacob and Mike Shope, you can find them over ADP chasing, ship chasing
7:15all the good stuff you guys are doing over there. I think you're drafting a main event um in about an hour and a
7:19half here. Uh Jacob, that should be pretty good. But uh Mike and I sort of talked about Zay where we in early
7:26drafting, we were drafting him all the time. Like Zay was a guy we were taking in the fourth round like clockwork. Now,
7:32he's steamed up. He's living in the third round. The vibes have been great.
7:36Declan Doyle saying nice things about Zay Flowers. Zay Flowers basically talking about Declan Doyle like he's the smartest guy in the universe. It feels
7:44like this could be a big Zay Flowers year. He ended the year on a high note.
7:48Then you get sort of people when when I'm positive about Zay Flowers, they'll come out and say, you know, I'm tired of
7:53drafting him. He never scores touchdowns. A lot of the the a lot of the scoring was back loaded last year.
8:00He feels like a capped upside guy. I don't know why you're pushing him, Theo.
8:03What do you say to that? Do you think it's sort of a our preconceived notions of Zay Flowers could be really wrong
8:10this year in a new scheme and maybe with a new coordinator that's a little more open-minded to the passing game.
8:16>> Yeah, I I've been in on Zay Flowers. I I also preferred when he went in the fourth round, but I have him ranked
8:22currently I have him ranked right at 30.
8:24So I would still take him happily in the middle of the third.
8:27Um Zay Flowers from a pure talent perspective I I was higher on by a lot as a rookie prospect than than I think the market
8:36was generally. Um and then he came out as that in the first year and immediately asserted himself as the number one pass catcher on the team, ran
8:43a ton of routes. Although his efficiency has really increased each of the last two years. He went from 1.72 yards per
8:50route run to 2.25 as a sophomore and last year a ridiculously elite 2.53.
8:56Right? That's what we're talking about the type of numbers that AJ Brown was always putting up and why he's been held
9:00in in such justifiable reverence.
9:03The reason why I think people don't view it as as much of a linear progression is that the routes, unfortunately, have
9:10declined despite him in in him getting much better. So he went from 588 as a rookie, then down to 470 and 479. And
9:18it's not like he's, you know, not running a full route share um because the team is limiting him.
9:23He's out there whenever the Ravens are passing. They just haven't had as high of a pass rate in the last couple
9:29seasons. And if you look throughout the Ravens history under Lamar Jackson, it's more volatile than you might think. Like their base expectation is to be a run
9:38heavier team, but we saw in 2023 like I mentioned the first Zay Flowers season, there was a big spike. I I forget
9:46exactly what year it was, but there was the one season where their defense was atrocious and I think it was like 2020
9:53or 2021, but there was another year where their pass rate spiked massively.
9:58Um, I think it was 20 21 cuz I think it was Bateman's rookie season. So any anyways, my point is we've seen multiple years where they've
10:05had over 600 drawbacks. It's not completely out of the question. Um, you bring in a new offensive coordinator, I think that they might be a little bit
10:12more balanced. And then probably the biggest question mark with Zay is like the reason why he keeps underperforming his peripherals is in
10:19part routes um, and in a large part it's just touchdowns. He is just not gotten the end zone targets and I I get that he
10:25is small, you know, you're probably never going to see him turn into Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson or anything anytime soon, but it's really an outlier
10:35amongst even similarly sized, you know, good wide receivers that this guy is just not featured in the game plan at the goal line. I I have to think that
10:43with a new offensive coordinator, we might see some different looks because he is just very clearly their best weapon and like Todd Monken ran a much
10:51more heavy personnel offense. Um, they were typically utilizing the tight ends a ton in tight and I'm sure they will still use Andrews to some extent, but
10:59like with Likely gone, with Andrews, I think pretty close to washed. Um, I think that there's a pretty massive opportunity for Flowers to even just
11:08improve to get like seven or eight touchdowns. Like if he just scores an average number of touchdowns for the amount of targets he occurs, that's
11:14going to be a huge impact plus potentially more routes. So I I think it's a it's a player that's being priced
11:20to be a a fine enough pick if he's who he's been in the last while, but if the routes and the touchdowns come up,
11:26that's where you start to get into like oh, this guy's performing like a round one two type of player.
11:30>> Yeah, and you still get the occasional fourth round exposure. He's sort of going at the end of the third round. So,
11:36I think it's a nice consolation prize.
11:37You're getting this this higher upside type click. Um and I think that like you brought up the touchdowns, I think he's
11:44got a lot of outs there. You brought up the drop backs and just in the terms of like the sheer pass attempts,
11:50Baltimore's been like 32nd or 31st in all these seasons. If Declan Doyle can just get them to like be 20th, 22nd, I
11:58think Zay Flowers is the big beneficiary. And then we sort of have the Mark Andrews corollary where I think people are settling in on Mark Andrews
12:06is this strong uh you know, value at tight end. He's got this clear role. If we see any sort of age-based uh regression from Mark
12:15Andrews this year, I think Zay Flowers should benefit. And the fact that we're hearing about like Rashod Bateman might be more productive than guys like Elijah
12:23Serrat, I think kind of speaks volumes to just how limited his teammate competition is at the wide receiver position. So, Flowers really being like
12:33the focal point of this passing game is almost a given. It's just how good can this passing game be? We've seen Lamar
12:39Jackson have very high touchdown pass total seasons in the past. If he returns to that sort of form, I think Flowers
12:45getting that eight touchdown grab season like you're talking about could be there with career highs in catches, career highs in targets. So, I think
12:52structurally he makes a ton of sense.
12:54Let's talk about a wide receiver going ahead of them and really one of the more polarizing polarizing guys this off season, Rashee Rice, where he's living
13:03in the third round now. We see Kenneth Walker enthusiasm. The offense could look different. Uh you hear people still open-minded to drafting Rashee Rice. Not
13:13hearing a whole lot of the league winner type arguments. Do you view him as a structural pick? A pick you're looking
13:20to avoid? Or a player that you're sort of struggling with?
13:24>> So, I I if he falls, I'll take him. I have him ranked at 28, which is right behind Devonta Smith and George Pickens.
13:31I think it's slightly behind ADP.
13:34Um I have a really hard time with Rice. If I'm going to draft him somewhere, it would be on FFPC because I think that
13:40the full PPR obviously makes a huge difference for him, probably more for him than almost any wide receiver compared to the half PPR scoring
13:47settings.
13:48Um I've I was more optimistic on Rice last year. And the reason is prior to last year, he'd always been really efficient. The role had been
13:58super weird, but within that role, he'd always been very efficient in it. And they didn't really have any other op- options that I believed in in terms of
14:08engines to run their passing game through. And so I thought that they would probably just try whenever Rice was on the field to run their offense
14:15through him in the short areas. And that is what they did last year. He was he was super productive once again.
14:20The big difference is is just that the the efficiency despite the volume in the fantasy production really took a nose dive last year. Not super surprising
14:28with a limited player. And the overall effect of this of their offense when it was being run through Rice, I thought it
14:33was just not it. Like towards the end of the year especially, felt like teams really locked in to what they wanted to
14:39do. They weren't just giving him those free 8-yard drag routes off the line whenever he wanted. They didn't feel threatened deep by anyone in the offense
14:46at all. So they could just sit on Rice's production.
14:49And I just think that if the Chiefs want to have a successful explosive offense this year, they need to seriously reduce
14:57their reliance on him.
14:59He'll obviously have a role. He's he's legitimately good in a role, but is it a good strategy for an NFL offense to run
15:0728-30% of their targets through Rashee Rice running 6-yard routes? Like I I just don't think so. And I have a really
15:13hard time making a big fantasy bet on a team kind of acting in my opinion against their interests because I just feel like that's not a
15:23sustainable way to to play winning football. The other side of the coin is I don't know what is. I just don't
15:28really have a lot of belief in this Chiefs passing game. I think Xavier Worthy is interesting coming off of the shoulder injury that maybe we see a
15:36better version of him than what we saw last year by a long shot.
15:41But I do think he's always been a pretty limited player due to his size and some of the ball tracking issues
15:48and I think Kelsey at this point highly limited player and and I think Rice is a limited player. So maybe they just decide well, Rice is the
15:56best thing we got and he's able to keep kind of PPR spamming his way to borderline wide receiver one production. It's totally
16:03possible, but he just makes me very nervous because I feel like compared to every other wide receiver that he's going around. I just don't think he's
16:10good of a player as most of these guys and so trying to balance between okay, what is the talent case in a
16:17vacuum versus what is the fantasy utility of this player? It's it's challenging.
16:21>> Yeah, I'm with you and I feel like I'm not going to get burned this year by Rashee Rice and and I think there's been
16:26seasons where Rice was priced correctly to really like crush it in ADP. We saw last year sort of the suspension discount where you got him and he was
16:36giving you that wide receiver one production like right out of the gate.
16:39This year you're sort of paying about where I think he's going to finish and a lot of that PPR scam stuff I think is
16:46going to not disappear, but it's going to it's going to be reduced with a lot more Kenneth Walker. Rice was almost
16:54like an extension of the run game failures where now I think they're going to have a successful run game and I
17:00think they're really going to try to build their offense around Walker. So if I'm looking for an early Chief there's a lot of guys I like in round
17:07two, but I think Walker would be the one I'd if I had to give a bunch of exposure to like one Chief or another, I'd rather
17:14have Walker than take Rice in the third round when there's other wide receivers.
17:18So, I think we're sort of in lockstep there.
17:20>> Yeah, I agree on Walker. Like if it I I expressed a lot of bearishness with the Chiefs offense. The one thing I'm
17:25bullish on is Walker. I To me, if I were in charge of the Chiefs, and I mean, thank god I'm not cuz Andy Reid's a lot
17:32more qualified than than I am. But like, I would be try to lean into the run game because this is the first time they have
17:38a real threat at running back. I I think that they have to find some sort of way to get them advantageous looks in the
17:44passing game because I just don't think that their pass game weapons are enough to to hold up against difficult looks. So, I would
17:51run a lot more and and do it with Walker and try to make create explosives in the run game. And then maybe you you get a
17:59better personnel groupings onto the field that you can throw against more easily, either Worthy down the field or, you know, maybe they're not able to just
18:06sit on those short zones for Rice. But I I agree. I think Walker's the way that I'm playing this Chiefs team.
18:11>> So, one of the other reasons that I I don't feel like I need to take any Rashee Rices. You talked about some wide
18:16receivers that I like. I also really like Chris Olave. Olave's living in round three, coming off of a career year. It was Kellen Moore's first season
18:27as head coach in New Orleans. We had Tyler Shuck take over. The Tyler Shuck-Chris Olave splits were very promising. And the overall counting
18:35numbers for Olave, 16.8 points per game, 156 targets, 100 catches, 1,163 receiving yards. Really a career year.
18:44And what But what's interesting about Olave is we saw him in this ADP back in 2024. He 2024 he was going at the 2-3
18:52turn, even more expensive than he is now. And he was a disaster pick. Ended up playing eight games. The concussion fears, all that stuff. Then last year
19:00he's a seventh-round pick, like a huge overcorrection. Kellen Moore's like, "We're going to feature Chris Olave.
19:06We're going to feature Chris Olave."
19:07Told us all off season long. He still goes in round seven and is like a huge win rate guy for that range of the
19:13draft. Now we're back to paying a premium price tag for Chris Olave, but I still like drafting him there, Jacob. I
19:20feel like that offense is one of the ones that we're betting on to break out.
19:24Even if Jordan Addison is really good, even if Travis Etienne has a predictable volume-based role, this offense is going to be catered
19:32towards Olave, and we have a history of wide receiver success with Kellen Moore.
19:37Am I too optimistic about this player?
19:40Is he a a purgatory pick in this range, or do you have sort of apprehension about him paying a premium price tag
19:46after it burned us 2 years ago?
19:49>> Yeah, I I'm probably a little below on Olave. I mean, he's a very good player.
19:54There's no question about that. Um I don't really know how to factor in the concussion stuff. It's not been a a
19:58major part of my ranking on him, just cuz it's kind of unpredictable to me. I I guess you can kind of bake in some
20:05abstract level of risk. I was massively in on Olave last year. Like I I just felt like he was a guy that was clearly
20:12way more talented than he was being priced in.
20:15I I feel like we have a tendency with this group of receivers that goes late round two to early to mid round five to just kind of
20:24price up whoever hit their 90th percentile outcome the year before. Um and I think Olave is the guy that is kind of getting the benefit of that now.
20:32And like you look at just pure talent, like yeah, I think he's fantastic. I I don't know that he is meaningfully better of a
20:39talent than Devonta Smith, Zay Flowers, Jaylen Waddle, uh Tutu Atwell, you know, um you you know, and maybe that's a blasphemous thing to say last year cuz
20:50of the results, but like you can go and find tweets from me last year being like Chris Olave is the most talented wide
20:57receiver going anywhere within two rounds of him when he was going in the sixth, and people thought that was ridiculous because he had just been
21:04hurt. People have a lot of recency bias into this thing and I think keeping in mind a long view and and looking at
21:11these profiles overall, it's like no, these are pretty similar guys. And Olave is the one who just got, in my opinion,
21:18the best wide receiver in the NFL draft to come in right alongside of him. And Jordan Addison his best attribute is just his ability
21:28to draw volume. Everywhere he goes, he earns a ton of targets. He has a career targets per route run in college over
21:3330%. So, you know, if if I'm looking at like Olave versus Flowers, I'm like, well, I think they're similar talents and and maybe Olave was getting run of
21:42you a few more routes. But like Flowers is probably way more of the clear number one in his offense than Olave is in his.
21:50I would say the same thing about Jaylen Waddle. I think Jaylen Waddle probably runs even more routes than Olave with how much Denver passes. And
21:57I have, you know, a lot more optimism for Jordan Addison as a talent-based upside bet than I do for Courtland Sutton. So, like I look at that team,
22:04I'm like, I would rather bet on Waddle as a number one who I think is equivalently talented. And you know, you
22:09go so on and so on throughout a lot of these names. And I just feel like Olave is getting a little bit boosted because
22:15of the result last year. So, a guy I've been in on for much of his career, probably not so much this season.
22:21>> Yeah, you make a good point. I think this that for me, I'll I'll be more bullish on him than you are. But the
22:26scariest thing that you said to me is Jordan Addison where you go from like Chris Olave having guys like Devonta Smith next to him last year after Rashid
22:35Shaheed was traded to now you have Jordan Addison. And you've seen the Jordan Addison sort of CeeDee Lamb comps out there. How fast track can he be in
22:45this offense? Could it be a second half of the year Jordan Addison's production is similar to Chris Olave? I think if
22:53anything, it sort of caps the upside.
22:55But I do believe in the offense. I do believe in in Olave's role at least for the start. It's more of like, what does
23:00the second half of the year look like but Jordan Addison very very very good player for sure and you're mixing in some Addison I
23:07imagine in your builds Jacob.
23:09>> Definitely definitely. I mean it's it's a tough one because uh this is like people are going to turn off the episode
23:16when they hear this but one of my big stands this year is is Marvin Harrison and I've never been on Marvin Harrison
23:23before but like hey you know you know what I just talked about like with Chris Olave where it's like I think
23:27sometimes we overreact a little bit on talent and I and I think this is now a guy that is being pushed down I feel like I'm
23:33getting a discount on so I've been Marv over Addison um but when if I can get Addison uh in some spots I definitely want to
23:42cuz I I love the prospect profile on him.
23:45>> Yeah agreed the Marvin Harrison discussion I know uh you know I my former colleague Ryan Heath is also open-minded drafting
23:51Marvin Harrison. I'm sure he's a guy that I'm going to cover when I break down I mean Jacob you guys are doing
23:56your best to get him into round six we called him round seven Marv occasional round six Marv I'll break it down those
24:02rounds I've tried to hit all these rounds.
24:04>> have him ranked right at the right at 60 so I have technically have him ranked in the fifth.
24:08>> There you go and if you're an NFFC drafter you're sort of seeing Marvin Harrison in that range in a wide
24:13receiver heavy format FFPC drafter a little bit easier easier player name to click on so it's a fade of of Michael Wilson and an embrace
24:22of Marvin Harrison Jr.
24:24>> It's like it's it's a it's a fade on Michael Wilson I mean it is I'm not drafting Michael Wilson but I'm not like I'm not going out of my
24:34way to like hate on Michael Wilson it's it's it's more just about feeling like the price is right to get in on a player that I still think has a
24:44ton of talent upside that's that's no longer being super priced in like I was not in on Marv last year because I felt
24:50like his rookie year was pretty deeply underwhelming and everyone was drafting him as though it wasn't. And I don't view him that differently than I viewed
24:58him last year, but the market is now I think pretty severely punished him.
25:02Um and maybe they're right to. I I mean, he hasn't shown what we wanted him to show as a prospect at all. That's totally
25:08fair. But we have seen some of these brawling outside wide receivers, they just seem to take a little bit longer to
25:16reach their apex for me. Like we saw Pickens break out a bit in year three, fully in year four. We saw Nico Collins
25:21break out fully in year three. I think with a new scheme a couple of years older, Marvin Harrison, we probably see the best out
25:29of him. So I've been optimistic, but I know he's he's an uncomfortable player to make a case for because he's he's
25:35enraged a lot of people with his production over the last couple of years.
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27:34Yeah, maybe it's a every year there's an Ohio State wide receiver that crushes their ADP. 2024, Terry McLaurin.
27:412025, Chris Olave. And I mean, JSN had already caught 100 passes, so he's not exactly on the Marv trajectory, but did
27:49certainly go nuts. So, maybe that's a trend and we see Marvin Harrison Jr. and like Carnell Tate crush it and and Ohio
27:55State continues to print. Um, that's for another show though. Let's continue the wide receiver discussion and we have to talk about George Pickens cuz we haven't
28:02talked really about him in detail yet.
28:04We're seeing people sort of settle in on the the bull case for CeeDee Lamb. And I get it. CeeDee Lamb's phenomenal. But
28:12George Pickens is sitting there inside of round three. Uh, he was tremendous last year and it wasn't just the overall counting stats. A lot of the analytics,
28:20I mean, he was super, super efficient. I think he was third in in red zone targets overall. Uh, he was top 10 in
28:27first downs per route run and then just went nuts on the overall counting stats.
28:31Had 17+ points per game. He was a top five wide receiver. Uh, career highs in everything. 137 targets, 93 catches and
28:40over 1,400 receiving yards. Now he's in round three. Jacob, he's young. Like what what's stopping me from drafting George Pickens in every single third
28:49round? 25-year-old George Pickens.
28:52Um Or is it a healthy CeeDee Lamb, things are going to look a little different. This is a regression candidate.
28:59>> Um maybe I'm a little bit in between. I don't have super strong thoughts on George Pickens against ADP. I'm at 27. I
29:06don't know I don't know exactly where his ADP is. I think it's probably right around >> About in line. About in line, yeah.
29:10>> Yeah. So, I'm okay with George Pickens.
29:14I'll I'll say last year, again, this kind of the theme of the last 10 minutes of of me talking about kind of having a
29:19different stance on a lot of these guys this year than I did last year.
29:22>> [snorts] >> Last year, he was like the number one guy that I talked about on almost every show that I went on because it was I
29:29thought the easiest and most straightforward case of like, here's a guy that in the peripheral data has shown that he's already broken out. But
29:36people aren't woke to that because he hasn't been able to run enough routes because he's been stuck in this Arthur Smith hellhole in in Pittsburgh. In that
29:45third year where he really looked a lot better on on a per route basis than he did his first 2 years.
29:51And then, I was projecting to run like a hundred more routes on the Dallas Cowboys and he did and and he ends up
29:56paying off massively. Um probably even more than I could have predicted, especially because CeeDee Lamb missed time and I don't think was like 100% the
30:04same when he came back.
30:06Going into this year, um it's hard for me to get super pumped about Pickens. I feel like have Haven't we seen with these number two receivers
30:15in in these very good offenses where one season kind of everything will go their way and then they got pushed up
30:22to the two-three turn and then they they usually have tended to not perform very well at that price and then, you know,
30:28they they get pushed back down to the fourth and eventually everything aligns again and they they go off.
30:34You know, last year, if you wanted to make the case for Pickens, like an easy thing that people said and I said was like, what's really
30:41difference between George Pickens' profile and Tee Higgins' profile?" And Pickens at the time was going like two full rounds later. And now, I would once
30:50again ask people, "What's the big difference between George Pickens' profile and Tee Higgins' profile?" But now it's Tee Higgins that's going around after. So, um I I
30:58haven't made Pickens a major priority in drafts, but I'm certainly not completely fading him. I I think he's an absolutely outstanding receiver. I think that the
31:06talent gap between him and and Lamb is probably closer um than the talent gap between Higgins and Chase. And so, if
31:14you want to bet on a a fun offense, on a player that I think is amazing, uh totally reasonable in the early third. I
31:20I like Smith slightly more than him. I have Pickens right between him and Rashee Rice. Uh I I would bet that I
31:26probably wind up with like a share or two of Pickens in my main event portfolio.
31:32>> I think that's fair. And I think like George Pickens, I think you could you could say he's going off the board as
31:37like wide receiver 12, sort of like a low-end wide receiver one. Does he finish in that range? He probably finishes pretty similar. We saw the
31:45contingent upside when CeeDee Lamb missed time. We saw the spike week ability. I I I'll take sort of a bull case, but I don't think he's a player
31:53you need to reach for. You're going to get access to him sometimes at the end of the third round. He's not a guy I
31:58think you need to pull uh up into the second round this year. Um but we know he's super talented. And like you said,
32:05I think one way to sort of avoid landmines in this range is do we think the offense is going to score a ton of
32:11points? I think Dallas could print this year. Uh if everybody stays healthy, this could be a really fun offense for us to just take shots on. And they're
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33:08some of these running backs as well. I think we you know, there's really one more wide receiver I want to get your
33:12opinion of which is a player that occasionally falls into round four, but we see him in round three. Garrett Wilson. The Jets offense, hey, I'm on
33:20Long Island. We're a little bit optimistic this year on the Jets. I mean, I'm into Breece Hall. We'll talk about him in a minute. But Garrett
33:27Wilson just sort of sitting there. We've seen him drafted more highly than this in years past. And he's sort of in a
33:33range where structurally he makes some sense. Does he provide edge to you in terms of upside in this range though?
33:41>> Yeah, I like Garrett Wilson. I I think that the the case for him largely is just the talent-based case. And I think it's fair
33:50to question how much of the efficiency issues that he's had have been on him.
33:55Basically since he's come into the NFL, he's been one of the best target earners in the league.
33:59But the yards per target has always been a little bit iffy. And I think it is kind of into the eye of the beholder to
34:05decide how much blame for that goes to the quarterback play that he's suffered through for most of his career versus potentially some of the issues being on
34:13him. It probably is a little bit more on him that maybe I gave it credit for early on in his career. But regardless,
34:21I think it's undisputable whether you prefer just looking at how many targets he earns or whether you prefer qualitative metrics like an open score or reception
34:31perception or if you just want to watch him yourself, that this is one of the guys who can get open easier than almost
34:37any wide receiver on Earth. Um and so I think pretty much no matter what, he's a guy that's going to walk
34:42into a massive target share. I think that's going to be the case even this year on the Jets where they've added a few more interesting weapons. Um
34:50they have Denzel Mims coming back for a second year. They they drafted two first-rounders in Kenny Stills and Omar Cooper.
34:56My hope is that this just makes the offense more functional.
34:59Um I I have been optimistic on this Jets offense compared to the market. Like it's kind of a frustrating um thing for
35:09me to say cuz I feel like I've also been more optimistic on than the market on previous Jets offenses that obviously
35:14turned out terrible.
35:16But I think that their skill group is really good. Um and I mean if if it turns out that's not the case, then
35:22that's probably even better for Wilson.
35:24I think that their offensive line has upside. They have two really young tackles, Mekhi Becton going into year two, George Fant going into year three.
35:30The interior is a little sketchy, but I think that they could be at least an average offensive line.
35:36And I guess I'm a little bit more of a Geno optimist than the market. I was definitely a big Geno fan when he was in
35:42Seattle. He obviously played very poorly last year. Um maybe he's completely cooked. I tend to give almost every individual member of the Raiders uh
35:53quarterback and skill group like at least a 50% pass for the disaster class that was last year with that offensive line being just such a complete sieve
36:02and Chip Kelly and whatever they were doing. Um You know, Chip Kelly there were stories of him calling plays that weren't even
36:08on the play sheet and they had to figure out what they were doing in the huddle.
36:11So, I think if you protect Geno, he can give you serviceable quarterback play.
36:15The The nice thing about him too is is that he's going to never have like the type of combined sack and scramble rate that
36:24Justin Fields had. So, you're not going to be burning as many empty routes. You also probably see a much more balanced
36:29offense between run and pass than what they were last year. So, I think that the macro level environments will have stronger for Wilson. And you're getting
36:36again a much cheaper price on him than we've basically ever gotten since his rookie year. Because I think people are just tired of things going wrong for
36:44him.
36:45You also look at his year last year, set career highs in in targets per route run, was more efficient than he'd been
36:52for most of his career as well.
36:55You know, he ends up getting hurt, but like maybe we were in the middle of him leveling up as a player last year. I
37:00don't think that that's off the table.
37:01So, I'm very optimistic about Garrett Wilson. I have him ranked right now at 33.
37:08And it's it's a difficult part for me to draft cuz there's kind of three guys in Jaylen Waddle, Garrett Wilson, and
37:17Tutu Atwell McMillan, each of whom I would like to be overweight on.
37:21And and often it's a choice that you have to make. You you might only be able to get one of those guys.
37:25You know, maybe one of them comes back to you if you're if you're drafting like on the 3-4 turn or something. But,
37:31Wilson right now I have him slotted right behind Waddle, but I have him ahead of McMillan.
37:37And and I think that's probably where I'm going to land. I definitely want to have shares of him in my portfolio. I've
37:41always been a massive fan of him as a player.
37:44>> Yeah, and if you look back at last year, he was tracking towards being an unbelievable pick. If we look at like
37:50the very beginning of the year, it was wide receiver one weekly finishes in four out of his first five weeks. And he
37:56scored 19 points in all of those wide receiver one finishes.
38:01And then Sauce Gardner Island where he gets banged up in that Denver game, and then he plays one more game the rest of
38:06the year. So, it's really like uh I think you nailed it where people are just kind of tired of taking Garrett
38:13Wilson, but now he's priced in that fourth round where we look at post rookie year, he was going at like the
38:181-2 turn in some of those high stakes drafts. So, really an interesting player. I think structurally makes a lot of sense, especially in round four. But,
38:25like you said, there's a lot of really interesting wide receiver values when we look at like wide receiver 15 through 24
38:32right now. So, you don't have to go Wilson, but I don't think he's going to hurt you this year. Let's talk running
38:37backs. And And a lot of times when we find these landmines in this range, this is sort of the traditional dead zone.
38:45There's going to be some running back failures in this range. It happens pretty much every year. Let's talk about at the very top, the big dog, Derrick
38:52Henry, who usually is going in round two. When he falls in round three, are you interested in mixing in some exposure to to Henry? Again, turning 33
39:02years old, but ended the season last year delivering absolute spike weeks, was a league winner in the fantasy playoffs.
39:09>> Yeah, so Derrick Henry, he goes in a very tight range where I mean, I've not done as many of these
39:16as you have. I think I've done four drafts so far. But, it feels like that end round to early round three corner,
39:25feels like it's almost the same guys every time where a lot of people seem to have kind of an exact ranking. So,
39:30Derrick Henry, I think that the big question for me with him has been, okay, you know, do I How do I value him versus
39:37Jeremiah Love?
39:39Because I have those guys right now straddling the two-three turn.
39:43A past me would probably just want to go with Love. I don't know. Maybe I've I've grown older or I don't know if I've grown
39:50wiser. I guess I've I've grown slightly more more of an FFPC boomer over time because I I wound up ranking Henry just ahead.
40:00He's a pretty scary profile to bet on going into his age range. But, at this point in time, like I kind of just
40:08almost believe that he's going to be a very, very good rusher until he, I don't know, his body breaks down or he calls it quits. I'm not
40:17really sure. So, you also have the massive massive sprint upside like you mentioned where if especially in the FFPC format where
40:26it's a cumulative sprint and you don't have to redo it every single week, if he goes off for 42 in week 15,
40:32even if he gets you 12 and 13 the next 2 weeks, like you really want Derrick Henry to be a part of your lineup
40:38because you're going to carry that score through and we know he has one of the highest ceilings of any running back in
40:43the entire sport. So, I've been a pretty neutral position on Derrick Henry. I haven't drafted him yet. I've only done a few teams, but
40:49like if if I have a team at the 101 or the 102 and he's there, I'll strongly consider Derrick Henry.
40:56I think he's pretty reasonably priced this year.
40:59>> Yeah, I'm with you. It's and and you talk about structure where you can get a Puka Nacua Ja'Marr Chase team and
41:05potentially get that predictable volume with Derrick Henry.
41:09And we've seen it year in year out where he starts gaining speed and gaining production when it gets colder. Scott Barrett had a great you know, post on
41:19this where it was like October Derrick Henry looks better than September, November looks better and then last year we saw him go absolutely nuts. It's
41:28not AJ flex has to go out the window with Derrick Henry. He just continues to destroy drafters where the only reason
41:36he's even available in this range now is because he's 33. There's literally no one that's average more than 15 points per game at 33 years old at the running
41:43back position like in NFL history. If you're trying to find historical comps, it's like one guy and that's it. So, Derrick Henry I think could fall in the
41:52end zone a bunch of times. He could run for a bunch of bunch of yards and I don't think he'll burn you in this
41:57range. Is there other guys that I think have more upside because they're younger and and maybe a little bit have a little
42:03bit more potential to catch passes.
42:04Sure, but Henry structurally if you need to get a running back there, I think he makes some sense. Let's talk about
42:09Jeremaih Love though cuz I think >> Yeah.
42:12>> drafters are playing it super scared, and Jeremiah Love was the third overall pick. He is an elite talent. I had Matt
42:20Waldman on the other day, and Matt is comparing him to like potentially having peak Alvin Kamara type outcomes, like that kind of fantasy ceiling. And I'm
42:29seeing that as well. The The receiving upside that he possesses is great. He's got the explosive big play ability that we've associated with guys like Jahmyr
42:39Gibbs and James Cook.
42:41>> Um >> And now there's people pushing him down where he's almost out of the cutline here. You're getting him at the end of
42:48the third round, and the reason I I'm kind of pounding the table for him is I'm starting to see him go in round
42:53four, where it becomes like an auto pick for me if I see him in round four.
42:57>> We've seen round four Love in NFFC 350s, where the NFFC drafters are fading him even more.
43:04>> Yes, like you were saying NFFC's three wide receivers, non-tight end premium FFPC two and two.
43:09I This makes me want to go and draft on NFFC like right now, because this has been one of the things that's
43:15bothered me the most is I have Love right now ranked right at his FFPC ADP of 25. And he's gone, I think pretty
43:23much at literally 25 in each of the first three FFPC drafts that I've done.
43:27And I think that it it makes sense to me because that to me is right at the cutoff, like there's a I really want to be in on
43:34Jeremiah Love. I think we're getting a pretty crazy discount for the number three overall pick. I'm not really that worried about Tyler Allgeier or James
43:40Conner, because I think the pathway to upside for Love comes through the passing game, and those [snorts] guys aren't threats there. So, I think he can
43:47still rack up a ton of fantasy volume even if he's losing some carries between the 20s to Tyler Allgeier and such.
43:54And like I'll I'm just going to put myself on the side of not being that worried if Tyler Allgeier was taking
44:00like uh goal line carries. Because one, they're not going to have any goal line carries, so that's fine. Um two, I I
44:08just think that the Cardinals are going to clearly feel the need to justify spending a third overall pick on this guy. Everyone made fun of them on draft
44:14night. They bullied them relentlessly.
44:16Like, if you're the Cardinals, wouldn't you want to give the goal line carries to the guy that you need to justify that you just gave the largest
44:23ever guaranteed money to a running back to instead of giving them to Tyler Allgeier? I mean I mean maybe that doesn't factor into it. I think it
44:30factors into it a little bit. Um, and then the only issue I've had with Love is as much as I want to be in on him, the
44:38players going directly above him I do have a really hard time drafting him over. It's it's Chase Brown, it's Derrick Henry, it's AJ Brown, it's Nico
44:44Collins.
44:46I I I like all of those guys, too, and I do find it a little bit tricky to project Love ahead of that group. I find
44:52it very easy to project him ahead of everyone he goes behind. Like, if this were an auction format, I'd probably be
44:57in on him more. Hearing that he's going apparently late three, early four in NFFC makes you want to go make a deposit
45:03and get in there because I would love to just stack up as many Jeremiah Love teams as I could towards the middle or
45:09late third round. I would make that a massive stand because I think he is a a There is a cliff at running back to me
45:16right after him.
45:18>> Yeah, and a shout out to Darren Armani Fantasy Mojo for FFPC Main Events. And again, FFPC, you're talking about like
45:25the difference between NFFC, FFPC, it's not only the tight end premium, but it's the the structure of the lineups where NFFC you start three wide receivers with
45:35one flex. FFPC, it's two flexes, two wide receivers.
45:39Um, so you could start four running backs in FFPC. In NFFC, you can only start three running backs essentially, but even in the FFPC Main Event, Jacob,
45:49you've seen a wide range. Um, this is over the last two weeks.
45:53Uh, Jeremiah Love has gone as high as the 209, but he's gone as low as the 308. So, you're still seeing him fall to
46:00that range where structurally you can get get access to a player that I think his rookie year could look a little bit
46:07like Jahmyr Gibbs in a worse offense, but with potentially less running back competition than we saw with like David Montgomery that year. Um, you know,
46:16Tyler Allgeier, even if you love him, even if you think James Conner has a little juice, neither one of those guys
46:21is sniffing what David Montgomery looked like in like 2024, not even close. And then Jeremaine Love, I think the receiving upside is really, really
46:30underrated. I think he's elite there.
46:32So, I understand it like it feels like it's almost an overcorrection from drafters who were burned last year on Ashton Jeanty at the 1-2 turn, and it's
46:40like an overly pushing down. And these are big tournaments, too, where you're not just competing for your 12-man league. You're trying to win that big
46:48money. So, getting access to elite talent, elite-level players, um, you got to do it. You got to mix it in. Let's
46:55talk about a bunch of running backs here, Jacob. I want to throw these guys all in a bag. And I don't think you're
47:00going to necessarily be be in on all of them. You might be in on one of them.
47:03Um, Kyren Williams, Kyren's the highest-drafted, most frequently in round three, Javonte Williams, Travis Etienne, Cam Akers,
47:15and now you're occasionally seeing Josh Jacobs go at the beginning of round four after a lot of fear. Of those five guys,
47:21who's the best player to draft, if any, and who's the worst player to draft of the that group?
47:29>> It's a good question. Um, probably my favorite one at cost would be Jacobs, um, just because I think he's being
47:35priced down.
47:37I won't say artificially cuz, you know, the legal situation is unpredictable.
47:42But I I would say it's like probably 80 to 90% that that has zero effect on his season. And if that's the case, then I
47:49think he is the best of a lot of these bets, which are similar. Like if you were to line up kind of all of the
47:55boring, dead-zoney backs.
47:59Jacobs, Kyren, Javonte, Etienne. Like, you know, before there was any legal situation, everyone was drafting Jacobs first of this group, and I think that's
48:07for pretty good reason.
48:09And I would be drafting him first of this group as well. So, the fact you're getting him later than a lot of these
48:13guys because of some off-field questions that I think are pretty unlikely to matter, I just think that's that's kind of the closest thing to what
48:21I would say made the dead-zone running back less of a pliable term the last few years, which was that we were just getting kind of
48:29every dead-zone profile a round or two cheaper than you traditionally had to.
48:34And so, if that's the case, it changes the cost equation, and like, that's how a Joe Mixon at the 5-6 turn becomes a
48:40really great pick is like, yeah, he is a dead-zone profile, he's a dead-zone profile we used to draft in round three,
48:45and now he's going in round five, and so he's a much better pick. And Jacobs to me is like the type of dead-zoney
48:51profile we would have typically taken right at the start of the third, and now he's going, you know, in the early to mid-fourth, and it's like,
48:58well, better pick there.
49:00The The guy that I think is the worst pick of this group is Javonte Williams, and and I think he is the most He is the
49:07poster boy for me of um people have stopped caring about the running back dead zone because there's been hits from running back dead zone
49:15type profiles, but people aren't realizing or or I think are not appropriately drafting with the realization that that's because a lot of these profiles are going way
49:25later than they used to. Javonte going um in round three is like pretty much exactly where all of the profiles that made the dead zone a
49:35dead zone used to go. And he is the most dead-zoney profile of them all because it's largely based completely on projectable volume. I I I don't think
49:45many people think he's actually that talented. And in particular, if you want to get hits from the dead zone, the two
49:51big things that you want to go for is you want to hit um on on talent-based bets uh where maybe the reason that
49:58they're going in that round three to seven area is because there's confusion about uh the touch count or there's ambiguity in
50:05the backfield. That's certainly not Javonte. And the other big thing you want is pass-catching upside. And his raw totals, like if you look at oh he
50:13had 51 targets, well, he had 3.9 yards per reception last year.
50:2035 for 137 on 51. That's ghastly. Um and even the volume went away pretty quickly. While CeeDee Lamb was hurt, he
50:29had a run where he had six receptions, five receptions, three receptions, then one, and then five.
50:35Once CeeDee Lamb came back, the party was completely over for Javonte Williams' receiving profile. He had one game with more than two
50:41receptions. He had two games the entire rest of the season with more than 10 receiving yards. I'll I'll literally read out the box score. He had one
50:51catch, two yards, one for eight, one for zero, one for zero, two for 14, three 21 and a touchdown, two for zero, zero for
50:59zero, two for nine, zero for zero. Like that that it ain't it. If if that's the profile, like that is like a a round
51:07eight profile from a receiving perspective, where you better get 1,200 rushing yards and 15 touchdowns because if if we're talking about like one, two
51:15receptions per game and no efficiency, that's a killer. So, I I think Javonte um it's a lot of primacy effect, where
51:22he was this workhorse, through true three-down profile early in the year. People got really excited about that. He was so cheap that even though he was not,
51:32you know, being that effective later in the year, it was still a big hit for people. But you better project that the
51:38receiving profile looks very different than how it actually looked with CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens both healthy. Um I think if you're betting on him at at
51:45three-four turn.
51:46>> Yeah, that's a that's a really interesting take. The Jacobs one is like if Ja- Jacobs if of all those guys, the
51:52ADP is going to trend up if he just survives the next few weeks. I mean, if we get to the end of August and it looks
51:59like Jacobs is going to have maybe no suspension or a 2027 suspension based on sort of the competition and the lack of
52:07movement that Green Bay has had at running back besides like Marshawn Lloyd enthusiasm, there's been nothing there.
52:13Um then I think Jacobs the ADP will move up. So, if you're drafting now and you want to get sort of a uh
52:18bad news discount, it's still sort of there with Jacobs. Interesting fade on on Javonte Jacob where you were so adamant about that. Let us know in the
52:27comments where you're at. Are you with Jacob on the Javonte fade cuz I will say Jacob, there are some Javonte enthusiasts out there um and it's an
52:36interesting one that the full fade there. Does it mean you're Are you sort of mixing in a little bit of Jayden Blue
52:41late in drafts just on the on the Javonte fade as >> part of like a double bet?
52:47>> Yeah, I have been a little bit. Um most of my Javonte fade is not like he's going to lose the job. Uh I'm I'm not
52:54you know, I'm not trying to be hyperbolic about it. But if I had to guess, the most likely scenario for Javonte is I think he he performs
53:00basically the way he performed last year in games that both CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens played, which is that you can expect between 15 to 20 carries per
53:10game um and like two targets per game and like probably a touchdown every other game um and that's
53:20fine, but it it's it's just it to me that's going to be like what um I think like my buddy Pat Kerrane calls a silent
53:26killer, which is just the idea of like you know, you you took this profile in round three and it's it's going to be in
53:32your lineup, but like it's not providing you the type of upside that you need from the pick and then obviously you
53:37always have the chance that he gets hurt and and then it's a disaster of a pick.
53:42Um so yeah, I mix in a little bit of Jayden Blue.
53:45Um, I I think probably I'm more intrigued on Jayden Blue and like a best ball set up because Javonte was so poor
53:51in the passing game last year. I think there's a pretty easy lane for Blue to come in and play as a as a passing game
53:56compliment and to have a real role.
53:59I I'm not like that confident that if Javonte went down that Jayden Blue would be some league winner. Like I think
54:05there's other running backs that have a more intriguing three down profile than Jayden Blue does. He's just never really done it. He doesn't have the the touch
54:13volume in college to support it. But as a as a fun complimentary piece, yeah, I'm pretty interested in him.
54:20>> Let's talk about Tyler Warren because Tyler Warren, this is kind of a and if if you're if you're drafting in any sort
54:27of just non-tight end premium format, uh, you can sort of ignore this conversation. Tyler Warren's like a fifth rounder or a sixth rounder on like
54:35Underdog or an NFFC and he'll probably settle in there for like if you're in a sleeper league or Yahoo or ESPN. But for
54:42tight end premium format drafters, Tyler Warren at tight end four overall, he's sort of in a little mini island of his
54:49own there at the tight end position where he goes behind Colston Loveland, but he always seems to go ahead of the
54:55Tucker Kraft, Sam LaPorta, Harold Fant, and Kyle Pitts tier.
54:59Do you think Tyler Warren provides it provides an edge to fantasy managers in a 1.5 point tight end premium format and
55:06he's worth taking as like a late third round pick or is this sort of a pick you're looking to avoid?
55:13>> Uh, I'm open-minded to Tyler Warren. I do have him a little behind ADP and it's mostly just we mentioned earlier I was
55:19talking about all these wide receivers that I love in this range and I I it's just he goes at a portion of the draft
55:26that has a lot of receivers that I'm higher than the market on and if you want to mix Tyler Warren into your
55:32portfolio, that that probably has to come at the expense of Zay Flowers, Tee Higgins, Jaylen Waddle, Garrett Wilson, Tut McMillan. Like, those are the guys
55:41you're going to have to deprioritize to get uh Warren shares. And I don't think that that's something that I'm looking to do. Um I'm a fan of Warren. I'm a
55:48Colts fan. I I for people that don't know. So, I I will I've watched every play of Warren's uh rookie season with vested interest.
55:56Um I think he's excellent in what he's able to provide off of the run game.
56:00My view of the Pittman disappearance has been that the most likely beneficiary is Downs because I think he provides um the
56:09most overlap in skill set as a man beater and in the intermediate area of the field. I think that could be Warren.
56:15The The way that this pays off massively for Warren is I think he just steps up as a player. He's a more refined
56:22uh route runner than what he was in year one. And so, he's able to take on more of that late down passing situation
56:29go-to guy element compared to in year one when I thought most of his production came like as a extension of the run game either on some of these
56:39RPOs, some of these leaks off of play action. Like, I thought it was more about scheming him into space and less
56:44about him just going out and winning. I I thought last year his role was more similar to like a Tucker Kraft's. Um and
56:50you can get Kraft obviously um about two rounds later on FFPC. So, I I've been a little bit soft on Warren. The The Colt
56:57that I've been drafting the most has been Downs.
57:00Um but I I can definitely see the case for him for sure. And I I'd like to not have zero in my portfolio. I think he's
57:06a a pretty interesting player.
57:08>> Yeah, I'm I I think Warren the the target ceiling that he possesses is really high. It you you kind of nailed
57:15it where opportunity cost for Warren versus some of those high-upside wide receivers, it makes it a little bit difficult to pull to to pull the trigger
57:23there. But I do think he has somewhere in like the multiverse, maybe Downs is not as good as you think he could be in
57:31two-wide receiver sets. Maybe Alec Pierce sort of never gets going and stays sort of banged up. And there's a scenario where Tyler Warren is like Trey
57:38McBride light and has 145 targets this year and just sort of delivers from the PPR edge, especially in tight end premium. I have drafted him in a recent
57:47NFFC league where I took him in like I think the sixth round and I like that one. I was stuck OTC. I end up getting a
57:55tight end that I think can provide some value. So, I'm sort of open-minded to Warren, but I think you nailed it, the
58:00opportunity cost is tough. Let's end the show with this. Josh Allen, the everybody's QB1. I'm sure he's your QB1 right now, Jacob.
58:08>> Of course.
58:09>> But are you pulling the trigger?
58:11Are you pulling the trigger on the occasional Josh Allen exposure? Like if I'm stuck OTC and I'm at the three-four turn, are you looking to mix in Josh
58:19Allen in some of these like FFPC? NFFC goes a little bit higher, but third round Allen or are you waiting for the
58:26multitude of very appealing quarterback picks that are available really pretty much from round six through 12.
58:35>> Uh yeah, the latter. Um obviously it's not no disrespect to Josh Allen. He's the very deserving QB1.
58:43It's just the cost is really tough, I think, in these one-QB formats. Almost every time that I've taken an early quarterback since I started drafting on
58:51NFFC and FFPC, I've lived to regret it.
58:54Um and I've lived to regret it not only at the end of the season, but usually like an hour later.
59:00>> And when >> when it's round 12 and there's like a guy that's falling three rounds past ADP and I'm staring down Khalil Shakir and
59:11you know, I I could go ahead and take Justin Herbert instead, but I I already drafted Josh Allen. It's just not a good
59:16spot to be in.
59:18Like I've actually been a proponent of taking earlier quarterbacks, though not really Josh Allen as much, in my Underdog content. And the reason for
59:25that is that there's this massive compression this year at quarterback in in the best ball market where the QB2s are getting priced way up the board
59:35because people want to build these three quarterback rooms. All those factors are are of course completely absent from the NFFC FFPC managed redraft landscape.
59:45And so you're still going to see naturally there's only 12 starting quarterbacks in a league and probably half your room might not even take a backup. So
59:56you get to a certain point and the demand at quarterback declines very precipitously and all of the reasons that these QB2s are getting pushed up on
60:05Underdog and on DraftKings where I think there's a pretty strong quarterback middle class right now are are just reasons for me to wait on quarterback.
60:14So the way I've played it is I I haven't even really like I in my rankings right now I have Allen considerably behind
60:21his ADP at least on FFPC. I have him towards the end of the fourth. I have Lamar behind ADP 2 towards the end of
60:28the sixth. And then I start ranking pretty much all these other quarterbacks in a row almost in the eighth and early
60:36ninth round between Daniels and Burrow and Maye and Hurts and Williams and Herbert.
60:42And I I know the ADP is the ADP but when you actually get into the rooms you're you're often seeing fallers from at
60:47least one of this group just because of the natural element of like there's only so many teams that are looking to take a
60:53quarterback in that range. Teams are making some decisions based on stacking partners rather than pure rankings. And so you can see someone fall pretty
61:01considerably and so probably the first time I start looking at quarterback is in in and around the ninth where maybe I
61:07take whoever is falling from that sort of QB3 through eight group. And then if that doesn't work out for any reason I'm
61:15also completely fine to just keep pushing and draft two of Brock Purdy, Jackson Dart, Patrick Mahomes, Bo Nix, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Kyler Murray,
61:26Jordan Love, Malik Willis. Like that that's fine, too, if that ultimately ends up being my team where it's two very late quarterbacks. So,
61:33um I I've done um a few drafts so far. I I think I forget who my quarterbacks were in the first one that I did. I think I ended up
61:42going double late quarterback. It was like Jordan Love and Brock Purdy or something. Uh the next two drafts I've done I took Jalen Hurts both times, and
61:50I took him in the ninth and one and then in the 10th in another where he starts to fall and I think like you start
61:55looking at the 2v2 and it's like would I rather have Matthew Golden and Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts and Jaylen Waddle? And it's
62:05like that's pretty much what the 2v2 is.
62:08I'm taking the Hurts-Waddle side of that every single time.
62:11>> Yeah, I think I think you nailed it.
62:12It's it's you're getting access to potential league winners at running back and wide receiver.
62:18And the safety of Josh Allen sort of it's appealing because you know he's not going to bust, but you're missing out on
62:25potentially a league-winning value and you're able to recover at quarterback super easy. I think another point is structurally, if you're listening to
62:32Jacob, you're listening to me, there's if you're going to take a one-off position this year early, I prefer the elite tight ends than the elite
62:40quarterback because I think there's some potential league winners there and it's very difficult for you in any of these formats to go early tight end and early
62:48quarterback in the same draft. That sort of really kills your build. So, this was this was an awesome one today with
62:54Jacob. Make sure you're checking out his Substack, Thinking About Thinking. Check him out over on Dynasty Points podcast.
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