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0:20Welcome to the Monday edition, the week one recap of Beyond the Box Score here in the Fantasy Football Today feed.
0:26Adam Azer, Dan Schneier and Jacob Gibbs. And congratulations to Dan and Jacob for growing Beyond the Box Score, the separate YouTube channel and podcast so much.
0:33You guys are killing it! And I'm excited to do this with you here in 2026.
0:38Jacob, what's going on? You started the Beyond the Box Score party, man.
0:42You ain't crashing the... Exactly. Is that true? I guess that's...
0:45You can't crash a party that you started. Where are you?
0:48Where are you? Where are you? Oh, you didn't hear about...
0:51Yeah, I got issues. I got issues going on in my life.
0:54Moving and I'm not even anywhere close to setting up.
0:57Moving during the first week of the NFL season was a lot of fun.
1:01Not... And the reality is, I'm not set up yet.
1:04So I just was happy to get enough done from an internet standpoint and have anything here.
1:09So the background is going to be bad for at minimum a week.
1:12I won't be touching this until at least the weekend.
1:15Wow. Dan said... Dan did a not joke. Wow.
1:18That's such a bad not joke. That joke was fat.
1:21P-H-A-T. Let's... What's important is the audio sounds good.
1:23That's what's important. Sounds great. Sounds great. Yeah. All right.
1:26Anyway, today on the show, Colston Loveland's dud. Jalen Coker's big day.
1:29Players that we're worried about. Players that we're not worried about.
1:33How do we feel about Jamar Chase and Baker Mayfield and many, many more.
1:37Start out though with the Giants and the Cowboys.
1:3928-20 Giants. They had the ball for 36 minutes and 40 seconds.
1:43They had the ball for 21 minutes and 33 seconds in the second half.
1:46Yeah. Insane. Also, credit to Giants all you want.
1:49I can't help but bring up they fumbled four times and only lost one of them.
1:54That's how the ball bounces some weeks. Some weeks got pretty lucky.
1:57Only one explosive play in the entire game. That's a play of 20 or more yards.
2:01Do you remember what it was? It was a 17-yarder to Mooney.
2:05That wasn't it. I think there was a 19-yarder to Neighbors.
2:08That wasn't it. The likely touchdown was only 16.
2:11There were a lot of 16, 17s. What was the 20-plus?
2:14Wow. I should know. Dart run. Dart run. Oh, it was the dart run.
2:18I was going to get there. The 22-yard dart run.
2:20I was going to get there. Sorry. Same time as you thought slightly before you.
2:25Yeah, I love it. All right. Let's start with the Giants, Dan.
2:28I'm sure you've broken down the tape six times today.
2:31What are you seeing against the team that was one of the worst, if not the worst defense in football last year,
2:37but they made some improvements and it didn't matter.
2:40They got sliced up by this Giants juggernaut. Well, listen, they were supposed to be one of the most improved events in the NFL.
2:47The Cowboys will find out throughout the rest of the season.
2:50What's actually true and what's not true here. Are the Cowboys still just one of the worst defense in the NFL or
2:56the Giants going to be a much better offense than people think?
2:59And the reason I asked that question is this.
3:02The Giants came into this game with a lot of skepticism surrounding the Matt Nagy era of Giants football.
3:07And I got to say this from watching the tape.
3:10And this was true of both the tape and the broadcast angle.
3:13Matt Nagy cooked. He really, really cooked last night.
3:16I'm not just talking about the red zone TD that looks so awesome.
3:20And so chiefs ask with Travis Kelsey, I'm talking about pre snap second and long.
3:24He comes out in 22 personnel with a fullback or running back to tight ends and one receiver in the bunch for
3:30me in a, in a tight formation, making it look like an obvious run.
3:34And then the red zone, boom shifts to shotgun gets an easy in breaker one on one for neighbors to set up
3:40the third touchdown all throughout the night. He was countering everything that Dallas was doing when Dallas overplayed Malik neighbors toward the
3:47end of the game and start to shade coverage and double team neighbors in the second half.
3:51He took the free access plays on the checks down to Devin Singletary, and he had designs for Jackson dart every single
3:58step of the way that kept him in full command of the offense and throwing the ball on time and accurately.
4:04He used multiple personnel groupings. He found matchups that win, and that was just a phenomenal performance from Matt Nagy and the entire giants offense.
4:11Jackson dart was number one in EPA per drop back among all quarterbacks by far in week one.
4:16They barely had a single play that didn't work.
4:18Dart missed one throw all game toward the end of the game neighbors on the out and then immediately made up for
4:25it with a pass on third and nine to Isaiah likely it was phenomenal stuff all around.
4:29I don't know how I could not how anyone could not be excited about Matt Nagy after that and this Greg Roman
4:36run scheme that is creating tons of room and space up front giants average over five yards per carry design quarterback runs in there as well.
4:43We're uber efficient in the red zone. They basically played a perfect game on offense.
4:47Honestly, it's hard to it's hard to dispute that Jacob except for the three fumbles or was the four fumbles that they
4:53had, but I say yeah besides that yeah four fumbles lost one of them.
4:57And I don't think Tyrone Tracy. I don't know if he saw the field after his fumble was lost.
5:03He did not. He did not play another snap.
5:05Yeah, but Jacob. It was great and the Cowboys.
5:08They still I don't think they have a pass rush.
5:11Their defense is only going to get worse. Malik hookers going to miss a lot of time over shown left in the
5:17fourth quarter with an injury, but what do you think of the Giants?
5:21Are you buying it? We've got the Rams next with no miles Garrett.
5:24So another opportunity I think to see them potentially play well.
5:27We'll see. I thought that the defense was really bad from Dallas, but definitely a lot of this credit does belong to New York.
5:34I'm really curious how this will work going forward as teams get more and more film on them because it was kind
5:40of a it was a weird offense. Dan would you like say like it wasn't it was not a traditional office.
5:46It was like a mix of it reminded me of the Greg Roman offense a lot.
5:51And we've seen at times teams kind of like get figured out some of the stuff that just like worked so well
5:57where they're overloading and like like the dart run where they fake that motion in the right and got all the defense like over on that side.
6:05I don't know if they're going to be able to keep getting away with that, but as far as the drop back game, I was encouraged.
6:12That's the I mean the the run game was obvious really really successful run game for the Giants.
6:17Both teams ran the ball well actually, but the drop back game was what encouraged me is the dart was patient.
6:23I thought and read things out. Well made the right reads pretty much throughout the whole game, which we've seen glimpses of
6:29but I think people really have criticized dart a lot as a passer and a lot of people just don't believe in dart.
6:36Um and his ability to operate an actual drop back game and Dan and I have like continuing to pound the table
6:42like I think there's at your at least there's at least a chance you should leave it open that he could progress in this way.
6:49And as far as your one year two leaps as like a pure quarterback, I thought that was really really encouraging start for him.
6:56So I want to see more of that. Yeah, and let's take a look at this Twitter poll that I did last
7:02night in the heat of the moment. See how people felt.
7:05Who would you rather have rest of season in PPR Colston Loveland with his zero fantasy points or Isaiah likely with what
7:12did he have like 27 or something. Um, and if 55% 56% said Loveland 44% said Isaiah likely who had eight catches
7:1878 yards and two touchdowns on eight targets. Is this a tough one for you guys Colston Loveland versus Isaiah likely rest of season.
7:25I mean, I think we were both really in on likely to like one of my bold takes week one was a
7:31likely was going to have 30 points. Um, so I think I just feel good about it.
7:36I think I just feel good about it and Loveland.
7:38Yeah, we're not worried about level. We'll talk about him.
7:41I would still take Loveland. They're going to be games where it doesn't flow as easily for the as it did for the Giants in this game.
7:49Jacob brought up a good point. What about when teams adjust to what they're doing a little bit?
7:54Um, I'll say this though. Likely really impressed me.
7:57I was aware based on his Ravens tape of his ability to create separation as a mismatch and then what he could
8:03do post catch in addition to kind of like some high points of the football.
8:07But that second, that first touchdown he had was a crazy body control catch where he flipped his hips completely, turned his
8:13body around high point the football and then toe tap both feet in.
8:17And then he had a few other catches, including the final one on third and three down the stretch.
8:22We really plucked the football reached fully extended and made a really difficult catch through the catch point almost through the ground.
8:29Twice he did that in the second half. His hands looked so much better than I was aware of.
8:34He's really good. Really good player. Yeah. I said this before the season.
8:38We were like, he's in the mat. He's in the man.
8:41Agu. Rashid Rice role. And I'm like, yeah, that's awesome.
8:44Like a better version of Rashid Rice gets to run this play this role.
8:48Right. We kind of laughed about it, but it's like, he's actually really good.
8:52Like, I don't think he's quite as good after the catches rise, but as a receiver, he's one of the best receiving
8:58tight ends you're going to find in the league right now.
9:01I'm kind of surprised. He only ran, yeah, speed it up.
9:04He only ran two thirds of the routes, which is low.
9:07No top eight tight end on a per game basis last year ran that few.
9:11The lowest for any top eight tight end in terms of route participation rate when they were playing, not full season, was Harold Fannin Jr.
9:1871.3%. That included the game where he left in the first quarter, I believe.
9:22And it was much, much, and he was tight at eight per game.
9:26So if you look at the top seven tight ends per game, none of them were below 75.2%.
9:31And that was Tucker Kraft. And he left the game injured.
9:34So I, you know, he's, I say likely had a 34% target per out run rate.
9:39We'll see how things unfold. But there's another guy, him, he and Dalton Kincaid, they ran two thirds of the routes.
9:45That was really good for Kincaid. Not as not what I expected from likely.
9:49They probably need to run more of that to be impactful week after week.
9:53Giants will have a much stiffer test with the Rams next week, even though Myles Garrett is not playing.
9:58I assume Aaron Donald will play on the Cowboys side of the ball.
10:02I can't think of a better by low team.
10:04I think, I mean, you can't really say it about Javante, I suppose.
10:08And Lamb had the touchdown, but he only had 44 yards.
10:11But I mean, they're obviously, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't get things figured out.
10:16It's the same coaching staff. It's the same players.
10:18They didn't really not figure anything out. They were Dak was fourth in EPA per drop back.
10:23They just got a ton of penalty yards and didn't get touched the ball.
10:27Like they had no possessions. They had two possessions the whole second half.
10:31How insane is that? And Pickens had two drops.
10:34And also they, they, they got a bunch of, they got at least two pass interference calls that, you know, Pickens had like 40 yard play potentially.
10:41That was ended up being a DPI. Two, right?
10:44They had like eight of those. They had like eight of those.
10:47Yeah, whatever it was. So I don't know. I mean, I don't want to, I don't want to just like skip over
10:53the Cowboys, but can we agree better times are ahead?
10:56They should be fine. Yeah. If someone's willing to, if you can trade for them, go get them.
11:01Yeah. I think my only issue would be they have a, they have a fairly tough early season schedule.
11:07Washington in week two, Washington was really good up front rushing the passer, but still that should be fine.
11:12Baltimore. Maybe they're good. They played well yesterday. Houston, Tampa Bay at Green Bay at Philadelphia.
11:17Philadelphia. There's some tough matchups there, but the Cowboys are the Cowboys.
11:20I almost feel like the fact that their defense looks so bad in week one is a good sign to it could
11:26look like more of last year's game scripts. A hundred percent.
11:29And they got two major injuries. One, one major, two injuries to major players.
11:33One of them, a major injury. All right. I, uh, scatter, scatter, boob, by, by sell, hold scatter, boob did not have
11:39a catch was not their third down back score to touchdown.
11:43Good game. It curious where you're at with this one, Jacob.
11:46First. First. Oh, I wanted to leave it to you.
11:49Just knowing the giants more intimately. I felt like a lot of those Devin Singletary looks could have been him and could be him in the future.
11:56I thought overall it was really encouraging. They were able to run the ball so well.
12:01We know he has a receiving skillset, so it wouldn't be surprised to see that built out in time, but I definitely
12:07want to hear your opinion on it. So I'll start by just saying this.
12:11It's great to see, you know, he was back for the start of training camp, got the first rep, whatever, but no
12:17one knew if he'd still have that lateral agility and burst that made him special as a year one back.
12:23And at Arizona State, when he forced a hundred miss plus missed tackles in a season, it was back.
12:28It was there. The vision, the pacing behind the line of scrimmage as a runner.
12:32He looked just the same as last year. So that to me was encouraging and he's still their red zone hammer.
12:38I would like to see his past game real expanded.
12:41This was a little disappointing to be honest, not just the role, just the fact that like every third down was Singletary.
12:47It felt like in last year, there was a concerted effort to get him the football as a receiver because he's a good route runner as a receiver.
12:55So I am a tiny bit concerned by that, but I don't think it ultimately will matter because this is a dude
13:02who, if healthy, is one of the closer locks we have in the NFL to 10 plus touchdowns.
13:07Yeah. All right. I think he might struggle in week two, but we'll see at the Rams.
13:12If the Giants get into a bad game script, we'll see what that means for Scadaboo.
13:16Beyond the Box score. Jacob, give me a 20 second promo for Beyond the Box score.
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13:50Excellent stuff. And I never know when Jacob is on the air.
13:53I just never know what his hair is going to look like.
13:57Sometimes it's really long. Sometimes it's super short. It's pretty curly right now.
14:01You just, you're like a man of many hairstyles.
14:03It's good for you. I don't have time to think about my hair right now, man.
14:08These are important things, Jacob. All right. Let's take a quick break.
14:11And when we come back, we're going to give you a couple of winners from the week.
14:16And all the things you've come to expect on Beyond the Box score.
14:19The snap counts that matter. The formations that matter.
14:22Under center versus shotgun. Reviewing the Bears-Panthers game, which had a ton of storylines.
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15:44All right. So, Jacob, your big winner for week one, or one of them anyway, is Bucky Irving.
15:49Sorry. I'm just in awe. That was the most electric ad break I've ever seen.
15:54I'm the biggest winner here because I got to sit and watch that while I relaxed and took a freaking drink of water.
16:00Bucky Irving, yeah, 62% snap rate. When this guy has given – when they've given him a 60% snap rate or higher,
16:06he's averaged 17 fantasy points per game. He got 8 of 13 running back rushes.
16:10He got 2 touches inside the 10-yard line, finishes with 20 PPR points, led the team with 7 catches on 7 targets.
16:17And most encouragingly, he looked freaking awesome out there.
16:19He averaged almost 4 yards after contact per rush.
16:22He had 5 missed tackles forced. That's what he did his rookie season when he was going crazy in fantasy.
16:27Everybody remembers that's exactly who he was. We did not see that last year, whether that was his health, offensive line, whatever was going on there.
16:35He didn't look like the same player. And that was borne out in the statistics, but all of that bounced back to
16:41year 1, and I feel really, really good about Bucky going forward.
16:44And it's Dalton Kincaid, or is it Caleb Williams?
16:47Who are you going with, Dan? We'll go with Dalton Kincaid for this one.
16:51Yeah, he was somebody that moved up my draft board at the very end.
16:55Was not high enough. I think he finished as tight end 10 or 11 for me.
16:59Felt good about him going into the year because he was finally healthy.
17:03And what happens in his first healthy game in a long time, he kind of pays off what he was supposed to be.
17:10A first-round drafted capital guy who's an absolute mismatch from re-watching his snaps and his big catches.
17:155 for 130. He was pretty much an unstoppable force up the seam in the intermediate areas of the field as well.
17:21High pointed to make a really incredible catch at one point.
17:24130 receiving yards. 98 air yards. And 38 of those yards after the catch.
17:2838 to 130. 130. More importantly than anything else, a 77% snap rate, which is a massive sign given in the past.
17:34He's kind of played a much lesser role in this Bill's offense.
17:37I think they realize at this point, he's their clear-cut second best option in the passing game.
17:42And he has to be on the field for at least, let's say, 77% of the snaps moving forward.
17:48That's a really good sign with Josh Allen as his quarterback.
17:51And a run scheme that's going to create a lot of one-on-one looks for Kincaid.
17:55Pretty good stuff for Dalton Kincaid. And the fact that it happened against the Houston Texans is really impressive.
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18:37Okay, news and notes. Todd Monken, the Browns head coach.
18:39I think he's regretting it. He did not commit to Deshaun Watson starting going forward.
18:44We'll see what happens. I mean, it's obviously going to – there's going to be a change at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later, I think.
18:51Can we please see Taylon Green at some point?
18:54I think he's hurt, though. No, we don't want to see that.
18:57That would be so good. Oh, I want to see that.
19:00If you design the right scheme, you will create more offense with Taylon Green than you will with the others.
19:06He's not ready. Come on. Does he need to be?
19:09Sanders and Deshaun were 37th and 38th in EPA over the last two years.
19:13Dead last and second to last. Sanders at least will take some shots.
19:17No, he doesn't. Barely. Takes one or two a game and everything else he sits on.
19:21It's true. He's 37th in EPA. I know he was.
19:24Give him a little – he was a rookie, you know.
19:27Oh, yeah. He's better than Deshaun Watson. I guess.
19:30I don't think he's better than Deshaun, personally. No.
19:32Well, I don't know if Todd Monken might agree with you.
19:35Kyler Murray has a concussion. Carson Wentz, 1% rostered.
19:38Big game yesterday. Running back news, Dylan Sampson. Dylan Sampson left in the first quarter.
19:42They still didn't use Quinchon Judkins as the third down back.
19:45I think a little bit on third down, but they used Raheem Sanders there.
19:49Ja'Cory Krosky-Merritt fumbled and did not get back in after that.
19:52That was late in the game. We'll see if there are any ramifications.
19:56They're at Dallas next week. And Travion Henderson is going to practice today on Monday, so that's really good news.
20:02They have Pittsburgh this week. Wide receiver news. You know what?
20:05I'm just going to give the big headlines here.
20:07Zay Flowers, hamstring injury, but not a serious one.
20:10That is awesome. Look, maybe the Colts are really a great matchup, but maybe if you drafted any of those top three
20:16Ravens, you're just going to be in a great position to crush your league.
20:20And Ladd McConkie left with me. Are you feeling a little nervous about your Zay Flowers bet?
20:25A little? Does that brought up on the show earlier?
20:28I missed it. No. Yeah, it was brought up.
20:30Oh, yeah. That's an every weeker. I think we should change the bet.
20:34Who do you have? Who's your guy? Devontae Smith.
20:36Oh, God. The most overrated player in all the preseason by analysts.
20:40I'm just joking. That's an overreaction week one, though.
20:42I was about seven spots lower on him and feel gross about him, and I can't wait to hear what Jacob says.
20:49Regardless, you are in a lot of trouble there.
20:51You're relying on the Eagles passing game to get you back.
20:54Oh, yeah. I mean, okay, forget it. Ladd McConkie.
20:57I'm not even sure what it is at this point.
21:00Hip, chest. He got hit on the hip, and they called it a chest injury.
21:04I haven't seen any updates on McConkie. We're waiting on that one.
21:07And defensively, Cowboys got beat up. The Texans lost two linebackers, one an inside linebacker, one an outside linebacker.
21:13And those are multi-week absences, I believe, for Henry To'o To'o and Jake Hummel.
21:17So that's not a small deal. They get the Bengals this week.
21:20And, yeah, I mean, there's some other stuff, but you don't care about that.
21:24What you care about are the snap counts and whatever else Jacob and Dan have up their sleeves.
21:29I don't even know what it's going to be.
21:32So I'm going to turn it over to the stat.
21:34He's the stat, man. You know? Yeah, he's the stat, man.
21:38Oh, I thought you were going a different route.
21:40Tax, man. You know that one? He's the stat, man.
21:43Yeah, he's the stat, man. I got you both.
21:46This is good stuff. Okay, so yeah, the first thing I want to point out is this from Ryan Pagnetti.
21:51We got way more under center usage in week one.
21:54And that was something that a lot of these coaches told us they were going to do.
21:59But it was a really significant change. 66% of the time, teams were under center on normal first and 10 type situations.
22:05That rate was 46% last year. So that's a massive, massive jump per Ryan.
22:09That's the highest rate since 2012. So, you know, Dan, I'll let you talk about real quick, like anything you think that that impacts.
22:16Like obviously under center is generally going to be bigger personnel packages with, you know, maybe fewer receivers on the field.
22:22And so it's a little bit more concentrated. Is there something on those receivers in terms of like Nico Collins, Jackson Smith, and Jigby?
22:29Last year, those type of players can get really big target totals, save flowers.
22:33We've talked about it a lot during the offseason.
22:35And it seems like we're actually getting it. I was really curious how much of a change it would be.
22:41We saw these tight ends drafted really early and everything.
22:44And we got a significant change. So I'm going to throw up on the screen for the YouTube viewers, the teams that
22:50I noticed that made a big change in week one.
22:53And if you have anything you want to add to this discussion, go for it.
22:57Okay, go ahead and read it out loud. Or I can if you want.
23:01Yeah, go for it. All right. So Jacob's posting here.
23:04Offenses that used way less shotgun in week one.
23:06So more under center. The Commanders, the Eagles, the Giants.
23:09These are teams that were more under center. So three NFC East teams, not the Cowboys.
23:14The Raiders, the Ravens, the Bengals, Falcons, and Jets.
23:16I think what stands out to me is we got some very mixed results here.
23:20Well, I think that may be true for those teams.
23:23But according to more data from Sean's side, who's a really good follow on Twitter for their summer sports, not only was
23:29the highest usage of under center since forever at this point, 706 plays.
23:33The next closest was back in 2022. 626. This is from week one data.
23:3742%. The highest before this was 30%. We're talking about a massive jump.
23:41Every single metric from an efficiency standpoint went up as well.
23:44So percentage of dropbacks under center. Percentage of EPA per play under center was higher this season than in any of the
23:50last four seasons when the dropback percentage was topped out at 30%.
23:54This was 42%. And the EPA per dropback and the EPA per rush all were season week one highs over the last
24:00five years with this massive jump in the under center percentage.
24:03And the teams, according to Sean Syed, at least from Summer Sports, that were a 10% change from 2025 to 2026 under center were the Raiders.
24:10Some of the ones we see here, the Raiders, the Jets, Ravens, Jaguars, Falcons, Arizona, Detroit, Washington, San Francisco, and Cincinnati.
24:16I guess the Giants didn't make this cut, probably pretty close.
24:19But the teams that were pulled all together, that stat that I talked about with EPA per play under center, EPA per
24:26dropback and EPA per rush all being week one highs, that's for just all teams in week one.
24:31So clearly it's something that teams are doing more often right now.
24:34And it's something that they're finding more success with on both a per dropback and a per rush standpoint.
24:39The Ravens are the most exciting to me. There were a lot of quarterbacks we were told are going to do this
24:46this year, but we had never really seen them do it.
24:49Like Jaden Daniels, for example. Lamar, we had seen do this some, and it really, really worked well.
24:54The Colts defense might be a problem all year.
24:56That might be an easy one to attack. But definitely in week one, this worked really, really well for Declan Doyle, their new offensive coordinator in Baltimore.
25:04I loved what Lamar Jackson said after. You know what?
25:07Instead of paraphrasing it, I'm just going to get the quote if you want to keep talking.
25:12Well, yeah, there were a few other teams that really stood out.
25:15I mean, the Giants are certainly one of them.
25:18We talked a lot about them, but what that led to was a really concentrated passing game with Likely and with Neighbors,
25:24and that could be what we see moving forward.
25:26It really helps define things for the quarterback, and it helps them kind of lock into the one player like Neighbors, who
25:33in his first game back had a really good volume.
25:35And I think we'll see with these teams we mentioned throughout, the ones Jacob brought up and the ones I brought up,
25:42that we're going to see a lot of these concentrated passing games, which is really what we want for fantasy football.
25:48Yeah, the Jaguars did it a lot too. You brought the Lions as well.
25:52It's hard to say for sure with those teams because of the fact that they're playing with a big lead.
25:57But even early in the game, the Jaguars and Lions were both doing it a lot.
26:02I think Parker Washington really benefits from all this.
26:04He was the receiver who stayed on the field when they went to one receiver sets, which I think would probably shock
26:11a lot of people because he's been a slot player mostly.
26:14If you remember the beginning of the year last year, they had him as a backup perimeter receiver.
26:19That's how he's being used before the Travis Hunter injury.
26:22Now it looks like he might be in the slot for three receiver sets where he dominates, and then on the field in almost all situations.
26:29And when Trevor Lawrence was on the field, before it turned into a complete blowout game script, he had a 29% target
26:35share and 46% of the air yards. So I don't want to say he's this year's Jackson Smith and Jibba because I
26:41don't think he's as good as JSN. But this is where we saw JSN able to push his target share from a
26:48normal wide receiver one to just by far the highest in the league is so many of these plays where he's basically
26:54the clear primary read in the dropback game. I think one thing that jumped out to me, I'm sure you guys noticed
27:00it as well on Thursday, and I mentioned it on the Friday morning show, is that in the 13 personnel, in the
27:06goal-to-go situations for the Rams, Puka Nakua was on the field.
27:09And I think they had three of those plays.
27:12And last year, Devontae Adams ran almost all of those routes, and he scored five or six touchdowns on those routes.
27:18So I'm very heavily invested in Devontae Adams, and that was a very concerning sign.
27:22Puka had played a lot in 13 personnel last year too, but when they got near the goal line, that was Adams
27:28almost every single time from weeks one through 14 before his injury.
27:32And in week one, it was Puka Nakua every single time.
27:35So that was a change. Yeah, for sure. Lamar Jackson, by the way, they come out, they score 41 points, and I
27:41feel like they kind of took their foot off the gas in this game too.
27:45He said, quote, We were all on point from the play calling to the execution.
27:50I've been dialed in since OTA. We all have stayed locked in like this.
27:54I've got a ton of confidence in these guys that they can do that.
27:58And I just think with the Ravens, you know, you heard all offseason long, they're just heaping praise on Declan Doyle, and
28:04they come out and they look amazing. So it's just one week, but those three players could have huge seasons, Jackson, Henry, Flowers.
28:10All right, anything else? Keep going, fellas. Let's talk about Jalen Coker.
28:14Holy crap. Yeah. The dude is so good. He's so good.
28:17He looks so good out there. Yeah. I just, that's like, I sent out this tweet a while back.
28:22I said this in the FFT newsletter, and I just was like, let's get a few things straight about Jalen Coker, because
28:28like even my brother, who's a total sicko, I asked him, I was like, how big do you think Jalen Coker is, dude?
28:35And he's like, six foot, like 190, 195. I'm like, he's like six foot three, 213 pounds.
28:40People think he's a little slot guy, but it's like he had a 43 inch vertical and almost an 11 foot broad jump.
28:46And he was wildly productive in college. He just happened to be a UDFA because sometimes we get these things wrong.
28:52And he ran a four or five, seven. I don't know why, but like all the guy has done is produce.
28:58And he got paid this off season. His last two games, he has 272 yards and three touchdowns with a 30% target share.
29:05I don't think he's like taking over Ted Earl McMillan or anything like that.
29:09I think Ted Earl McMillan is going to clearly be the top guy, but these two are both really, really good.
29:15Matt Harmon, when he did his reception perception charting on Coker, effusive with praise to the point of comparing these two to
29:21Chris Godwin and Mike Evans and saying that he really thinks that Jalen Coker can unlock things for Ted Earl McMillan in
29:27the same way that Godwin did for Evans, where you don't have to always have him tied to the perimeter.
29:33They're interchangeable. Coker can win on the outside. And that's what it looked like in week one is like Coker just winning down this island.
29:40Obviously, all this needs to be taken with a great insult because that very secondary is bad.
29:45It shouldn't be though. I mean, there aren't cornerback is a tough position, but you line up Jalen Johnson and Tyreek Stevenson.
29:51You should be decent. Now, obviously they're missing a starting safety, big free agent acquisition.
29:55They don't have much of a pass rush, I guess.
29:58He had a 26 yard catch Jalen Coker where he actually stumbled.
30:01And it really, I think it threw off Jalen Johnson.
30:04Jalen Johnson kind of like attacked him as he stumbled and then he got back up.
30:09I don't think he expected Coker to regain his balance.
30:12And then he had a 26 yard catch, nearly a touchdown.
30:15But on the long touchdown, he just cooked Tyreek Stevenson.
30:18It's funny. I guess I never really thought he was what you guys see, but I'm probably wrong here.
30:23I don't see like some, some freak. He's big.
30:25I get that, but he's not fast. But I think he looks pretty fast out there.
30:30I don't think so. I mean, it's not traditional speed.
30:33It's like Anquan Bolden level speed. Yeah. Which is game speed.
30:36You don't need to be right. You can still be productive that way.
30:40Last seven games for him and Tedderola McMillan. They have almost the same amount of targets.
30:4445 for Coker, 46 for McMillan. And McMillan has been so much more productive.
30:48On pace for 1,253 yards and 15 touchdowns. McMillan on pace for 940 yards.
30:52So about 300 fewer yards and five touchdowns on pace for 10 fewer touchdowns.
30:56And not only that, Coker in those seven games, he has five red zone, four green zone, four end zone targets.
31:02McMillan has two red zone, zero green zone, two end zone targets.
31:05I still like, I still like McMillan better. But it's, I think what I would say is like this offense last year, they threw for 3,300 yards.
31:13They, like Bryce Young might actually be good. He played so well yesterday.
31:17Maybe it was just a great matchup, but he played so well.
31:20He played well. He played great with his legs.
31:23He extended plays. He was accurate. He played, they could easily take a, they get to over 4,000 yards.
31:28Wouldn't be a shock. 3,800 yards. I mean, they take a 500 plus yard jump in passing yards.
31:33And both these guys could really benefit from it.
31:36Because they're the only ones who are going to get targeted heavily.
31:39I will say that Bryce has had a few of these games.
31:42And then he's kind of gotten back to doing his thing.
31:46So I don't want to react too strongly to it.
31:48But I do just want to keep letting people know that Jalen Coker is really, really, really good.
31:54This isn't some random thing. Yeah, he's 70% rostered, 13% started at Atlanta next week.
31:58I'd like to also give a little bit of credit to Bryce Young.
32:01I know it wasn't a complete game. There were some moments in the second half that led to them maybe not pulling off a win or a comeback.
32:09But some of those throws were absolute dimes in this game.
32:13Yep. Yeah, they really were. All right. We had a question about Coker and Chuba Hubbard later.
32:17We'll talk about that a little bit later. It's one of our big topics.
32:21I'll throw some stuff out. Then you guys can hop back in.
32:25Romo Odunze only played 48% of the snaps, most likely because of the injury.
32:29Kalief Raymond. I think we got... Well, when we talk about Loveden, we'll talk about Kalief Raymond, but he was very, very involved.
32:35He played 60% of the snaps. Both Raymond and Odunze ran 58% of the routes.
32:39Jalen Knoll only played 30% of the snaps. That was disappointing.
32:43One of the biggest disappointments for me was Josh Downs.
32:45He ran 94% of the routes and only had a 12.5% target per route run rate.
32:50And then stupid Keenan Allen had a 23% target per route run rate.
32:54Stupid Keenan Allen. That's not very nice. Great debut for Antonio Williams for Washington, but he only played 37% of the routes.
33:00So we're going to hope that... Terry McLaurin. Yeah, you know, it wasn't a shock to me.
33:05It wasn't a shock. Like against the Eagles, it wasn't a shock.
33:08Oh man, all offseason this O.C. Oh, we're going to move him around.
33:12He's going to be the focal point of the offense.
33:15Didn't seem like it in week one. That didn't feel like a focal point game plan or anywhere close.
33:20Yeah, you know who they play next week? Who's that?
33:23Dallas. Well, that's good. Okay. Maybe a bounce back spot.
33:26It's a... He needs to. He needs to bounce back.
33:28Yeah. A 30%... 29% slot rate for Terry McLaurin.
33:31I feel like that's probably on the high side for him.
33:34His career high in a season is 24%. Last year, his rate was 13%.
33:38Yeah. Okay. So they did move him around. Didn't put him in motion at all.
33:42Let's see. Anything else? Oh, Caleb Douglas. Caleb Douglas played 91% of the snaps.
33:46Chris Bell played 52% for the Dolphins. Caleb Douglas had a really good game.
33:50Malik Washington played 98% of the snaps, but he's probably not going to matter.
33:54Most third down routes among running backs. McCaffrey, Ramondre Stevenson, Chuba Hubbard right up there at the top.
33:59Rashad White, Bijan Robinson, Tyje Spears, Devon Achan, Sione Vaki for the Lions.
34:03Bucky Irving ran six third down routes. Kenneth Gamewell ran two third down routes.
34:07So those are your top nine in third down routes for running backs.
34:11McCaffrey, Ramondre, Chuba, Rashad White, Bijan, Tyje Spears, Achan, Vaki, and Bucky Irving.
34:14And the Packers, if anything's going to derail their offense, it could be their line.
34:19They were missing starting guard Aaron Banks yesterday. And according to ESPN, the Minnesota Vikings had a pass rush win rate of
34:2590.6%, the highest by any team in a game since 2022.
34:28Wow. And they still passed the ball decently. I mean, Love still scored like 23 points.
34:32And that's all I've got. It had a ton of quick pressures.
34:36It was a mess. That's all I've got for my, you know, advance.
34:39Let me throw this up on the screen real quick on Terry McLaurin.
34:43I've got his alignment data. You can see here on the screen if you're watching on YouTube.
34:48The last couple of years, it's been this by far the highest in the league, 72, 74% of the reps all on the outside left receiver.
34:55You see here, it's like much, much more balanced left in the slot and on the outside on the right.
35:01So hopefully it will get a little bit better.
35:04I need to dig into it before I say for sure that this means that it was better in terms of like
35:10how he was actually used on his routes. What does Rattree look like?
35:13I don't know. I'm just nervous as hell about Washington, but maybe that was just an Eagles thing in week one.
35:19I think their line, though, is just potentially disqualifyingly bad.
35:22It's definitely going to be a struggle. Definitely. And I think Diggs is a problem, too.
35:27Diggs had nine targets and a terrible penalty and a touchdown.
35:30I wanted to hear. I don't know if we have time for it, but I wanted to hear your thoughts, Jacob, on the Eagles offense line.
35:37I didn't get a chance to watch that all 22.
35:40And I saw your stat where Barkley had, I think, all but what was it?
35:44What was the yards for contact? Barkley had 83 yards rushing and 82 of them came after contact.
35:49Wow. That's bad news. That's oldie. That's that's like that's nearing on borderline.
35:53Gentie 2025 status. The commanders, to give them credit, they put a lot of resources into their defensive line this offseason.
35:59I don't know if it was anything like game changing or whatever, but they wanted to be, I think, bigger up front, better up front.
36:06But but yeah, I had that game on one of my laptops and I noticed it a lot.
36:11Like it was kind of a disjointed performance. The Eagles had a decent performance offensively, but it just it wasn't easy.
36:17It wasn't easy. It was the pressure was was pretty consistent.
36:20I know I didn't look at the pressure rate, but I'll look at it now.
36:25See, we're excited to watch that game on all 22.
36:27Yeah. See, we're Washington. They were only 15th in pressure rate, but to me, it felt felt pretty significant.
36:33OK, I watched Chris Godwin tape and better than last year.
36:36But this was one of the biggest duds for me this week.
36:39I told a lot of people to start Chris Godwin.
36:42He had four targets. He had three air yards.
36:45Oh, but I don't know how that's possible because he got like there must have been a couple of screens, but he had a very low.
36:52So I got Jamar Chase. Yeah, I watched Jamar Chase and compared him to his game tape from the last game of
36:58last season or maybe the second to last game of last season.
37:02And I would just say like I'm not I'm not 100 percent convinced he's not playing through something here because he was on.
37:08You know, he missed time in camp with a knee injury.
37:11He had he practiced in full Wednesday and Thursday, and then Chase did not practice on Friday.
37:16They downplayed it. I'm not saying he looked bad out there.
37:19We have that one screenshot. Check this out. He's at the bottom of the screen.
37:23Look at that release. He's wide open. That was like instantly.
37:27Ball was where did Burrow go with the ball left side?
37:30I don't remember. I could probably zoom in and find out who he threw it to, but he threw it in.
37:36That's crazy. You have Chase one on one without safety help, and that's not where you look.
37:40Yeah, he's wide open, but even if he catches a two yard touchdown there or whatever, it's still a bad game for him.
37:47But yeah, I don't know. I feel like it wasn't quite.
37:50I feel like it. Oops, sorry. I feel like he wasn't quite himself to be 100 percent honest.
37:55So I think it's probably nothing. But just because he had the knee issue.
37:59Might want to just say he's not like this.
38:02The super mega high end by low candidate that he may be.
38:05By the way, Jamar Chase never does well in week one, but this was a little bit worse.
38:10Okay. Anything else, guys? Or should we get to the big topics?
38:14Jameer Gibbs had more first downs than any player in any game last year.
38:18Any non-quarterback. He had 34 touches, 180 excrimmage yards, eight of the Lions' 14 red zone touches in total, not just the backfield.
38:24This was the stone worst outcome probably for the Lions from a scoring standpoint we'll see almost all year.
38:29Like maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt they have too many games 24 or under in regular time.
38:35And he still went off Jameer Gibbs. This is, look, this is, I mean, we all kind of said it, Jacob.
38:40You were the most ahead of it with the $70 win on the auction bid we had on our joint team for Gibbs.
38:47Just blew out the load on a super flex budget.
38:50But you said it, and we both kind of felt it.
38:53He was so far ahead of any player, Bijan included, in this year's class.
38:57And if he stays healthy, I don't see why he's going to outpace what McCaffrey did last year for sure.
39:03And it's probably going to look a lot like prime Andy Reid Chiefs Jamal Charles types fantasy seasons.
39:08Remember those back in the day that just single-handedly won you leagues?
39:11Yes, that was my bold prediction that he would have the second.
39:14Oh, I like that. He would have the second best running back season.
39:18Well, he'd have a better running back season in the last 10 years than anyone other than Christian McCaffrey when McCaffrey had
39:24a couple of years where he averaged 28, 29 points per game.
39:28But I will say I don't like that he had 29 carries.
39:31Yeah, that's weird. It's too much. I thought it would be more than a pair.
39:35It is a lot, man. It's great for a guy like him too.
39:39What is he, 200? Like he's not a big dude.
39:42Yeah, I don't love it. Okay. All right, we're going to take a break.
39:46We got our four big topics. I know you want to hear what we think about Colson Loveland.
39:51That's coming up after this. I think it's time to break out the old Worry-O-Meter.
39:55Oh, yeah. I think the Worry-O-Meter needs a theme song.
39:58It does. It's on you, though. You're the guy who does that type of stuff.
40:02And then you're the guy who will butcher it.
40:05Yours wasn't much better. I think we have proof of that.
40:08That's insane. That is just insane. You both were bad.
40:11Mine was like a one. Mine was a 0.7 out of 10.
40:14Yours was at 1.4. I think it's fair. I really don't.
40:17Which is double. Double as good as mine, but just really bad.
40:21I think mine was at least a 7.4. You think you were 7.4 out of 10 on that?
40:26Yeah. Well, then do me a favor. Cut it up and show it on the next mailbag, and we can judge it.
40:32And we'll rank it one. The audience will rank that one to 10 with decimals.
40:36Okay. All right. Our first big topic is from Rubens Wright.
40:39Oh, no. That's our second one. Our first big topic is from Sean.
40:43It starts and ends with Colston Loveland's goose egg, despite the Bears scoring 59 points.
40:47And I'd have to agree. No catches on two targets.
40:50And what's our worryometer level, Jacob, on Colston Loveland?
40:53Not worried. Zero percent. Wow. Zero percent. Wow. Dan?
40:55Let's see. I'll go eight percent. Just eight percent.
40:58Eight percent. I'd be more worried if he did this and the Bears didn't score a lot of points and look unbelievable on offense.
41:05Then I'd be like, okay, crap. Not only can he not be a part of a game plan that much, but they're also not really moving the ball.
41:13The opposite happened. They put up 59 points and looked like what Ben Johnson said might be a proclamation of what's to come.
41:19We may score the most points in the NFL history this year.
41:22I doubt they'll play the Panthers-Evens every year. The Panthers-Evens ends the year pretty good, though.
41:27Last year. They looked phenomenal, the Bears on offense.
41:30Just unstoppable. And there's nothing. I wrote about this in yesterday's article from CBS Sports.
41:34There's nothing really to make me feel, indication-wise, that this will slow down.
41:37They have a top three, four, or four offensive line.
41:40I think Caleb Williams is taking the step forward.
41:43They have a top one or two ground game.
41:45They ran for 291 yards rushing combined. That's insane.
41:48And they have weapons in the passing game. What will slow this offense down at this point?
41:53And the best play schemer in the NFL. And Ben Johnson.
41:56So what is... Let's keep it on Loveland here, though, just to focus it.
42:00My point is, as this offense continues to dominate, there'll be some weeks for him.
42:04It's probably not going to be a situation like we talked about earlier with those teams who are going under center and
42:10really narrowing the offense to certain two targets. I don't think it'll be that, but I think he'll have some big weeks.
42:17I'm going to go 15% on Loveland. You know, I think that...
42:20You're not very worried either. No, I'm not. I think he's a great by-low.
42:24Phenomenal by-low. They are going to score a ton of points.
42:27I think the worst-case scenario for Colson Loveland would be like a good Sam Laporta season, where there's some bad weeks in
42:33there, whatever, but he's still going to score a lot of touchdowns.
42:37And I think he's a more talented player than Sam Laporta.
42:40He's a more talented player than most tight ends.
42:42And yeah, he's going to be on arguably the best offense in the NFL.
42:46The Kalief Raymond thing is interesting. I want to know what you guys think about that with Kalief Raymond getting nine targets in this game.
42:53And by the way, they scored 59 points, but there are still a very run-heavy...
42:58This is why I'm a little concerned. There's still a very run-heavy team.
43:01They only threw 29 passes in this game. And he still, Colson Loveland, now in his career, still does not have a catch on a screen pass.
43:09He had the second-highest average route depth of any tight end, any fantasy-relevant tight end.
43:13And the only one that was higher that I'm considering is Terrence Ferguson.
43:17And I would say that he's probably not even fantasy-relevant at this point.
43:21So this is what concerned me. I've seen this version with Kyle Pitts.
43:24Super high ADOTs, very few easy throws, very few layups.
43:27That's not the best way to be a sustainably successful tight end.
43:30And now you want to trust Caleb Williams and Colson Loveland more than Marcus Mariota, right?
43:35And whoever else is playing quarterback for those Falcons teams dragging Kyle Pitts down.
43:39But I'd like to see more easy catches. They don't exist for Colson Loveland.
43:43So those were some of my concerns going into the year.
43:46That being said, I pretty much cast all those concerns aside and fully bought into Colson Loveland.
43:51I didn't like him in the third round. I loved him in the fourth round.
43:55But I'll go 15% just because of that profile and this Kalief Raymond stuff.
43:59And by the way, Romo Dunze wasn't even fully healthy in this game.
44:03So that's a factor too. Jacob, what do you make of the Kalief Raymond role?
44:07Raymond was out there and was open a lot.
44:10There were a lot of plays where the defense was gravitating towards Loveland.
44:13The defense was gravitating towards Adunze. To your point, Loveland was used down the field a lot and was drawing a lot of safety help.
44:20And that was opening things up over the middle of the field.
44:24And that ended up being Raymond a lot. Maybe defenses will watch this film and say, yeah, that's fine.
44:29It's fine that they put up 59 points and Caleb Williams was able to...
44:33Caleb Williams got anything he wanted in the run game, got anything it wanted.
44:37We just have to make sure Loveland doesn't beat us.
44:40And that will continue to happen. But I also think it's possible that defenses will adjust after seeing 59 points in that game.
44:46And that you'll start to see Loveland getting some more one-on-one looks.
44:50And I think he wins those pretty regularly. I think the key difference between him and somebody like Kyle Pitts, who you
44:56compared him to, is obviously, like you said, the offense is much better.
45:00And then also, he's much better. He's a really, really, really good red zone target.
45:04And so he might not get a lot of easy catches.
45:07But I do think he has more built-in touchdown equity in terms of being able to project it than any tight end in the whole league.
45:14Yeah, he also was open for a touchdown at least once in this game and just didn't get targeted.
45:20He was wide open over the middle on two throws that easily could have been 50 yards between the two of them.
45:26One of them was just a miss by Caleb.
45:29The other one, he took the check down to Kyle Mononga instead.
45:32I just think things could go a lot differently and will go a lot differently.
45:36And yeah, it's clearly a buy low. I don't know exactly how it will play out.
45:41There might be games like this where defenses are hyper fixated on stopping him.
45:45And then it ends up being everybody else. Because what Ben Johnson has told us all offseason played out in week one,
45:51which is that Caleb is a lot more comfortable in the offense going through his reads and just taking what's there.
45:57And so if that's the case, then that does hurt Loveland.
46:00And that's fair. But again, it's tight end, right?
46:03Like it's pretty, it's tough to get zero. And everyone's really frustrated with it because they drafted Loveland around three, around four, whatever.
46:09But there were like a bunch of tight ends who got zero or basically zero this week.
46:14You know, like that's just kind of how it is as much as that is frustrating to hear.
46:19Yeah. And Bauer's got zero too. Right. It's true.
46:22Okay. Ruben's right has our second big topic today.
46:24Which studs are worth buying low immediately? And which duds are a sign of things to come?
46:29I think he means like which duds are worth, but well, okay.
46:32What's real and what's not from the bad performances of week one.
46:36Blip versus trend is his short way of saying it.
46:39And Jacob, you came up with a nice convenient little list here of players you're worried about, players you're not worried about.
46:45And who'd you want to focus on here? Oh, look.
46:48Ooh, look at this. There's a lot of guys.
46:50Go ahead. Run us through it. Who are you not worried about?
46:54Producers are killing it today. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm worried about Devante Adams.
46:57You brought up those reasons already. So we'll just wait and see what happens with that.
47:02But if he doesn't get that red zone role, then that is a little bit concerning.
47:06Um, I am a little bit worried about Terry McLaurin.
47:09Um, well, I want to dig into that more, but I'm just worried about the offense as a whole.
47:14And especially if Antonio Williams is as good as he looked right.
47:18That's now two targets you have to compete with, you know, um, and both of them being kind of short area targets,
47:24which I think we might see have to be the point of emphasis at the line struggles.
47:29And then I'm, I'm definitely worried about Quinchon Jenkins.
47:31He was somebody I was worried about coming into the year, um, split backfield on a terrible offense.
47:37Um, it was exactly what we saw last year.
47:39I think it might get better, a little bit better in terms of like creating yards before contact, you might have better rush efficiency than this.
47:46They might be able to sustain first downs and give them 15 or 18 carries instead of 12.
47:52That's what we saw last year was the average 19 rushes per game when he was healthy.
47:56So like, I don't want to totally overreact to the bad game from Judkins, but also it's like, this is exactly what we were scared of.
48:04Yeah. I'm sorry. I just want to add that the Jaguars happen to have a terrific run defense, but I I'm completely
48:10with you on being worried about Judkins, but this was kind of a worst case scenario.
48:15It seemed with a team with a great run defense and a great offense.
48:18Just running away from, from Cleveland, the worst possible game trip.
48:22So I think he's going to be a guy who's a little schedule dependent and, uh, let's get the schedule out for Judkins here.
48:28Um, sorry. So it's get, you know, so it's at Tampa Bay, Carolina, Pittsburgh, which is just looking at that feels like
48:35all those games are better for him than Jacksonville.
48:37I guess. But at the same time, like I'm, I'm totally feel you.
48:41Yeah. So this was a clear avoid preseason for me.
48:44No, no shares of him. Just seemed like an obvious trap back.
48:47I mean, there'll be some good games though. That's the thing.
48:50Just like last year, it never looked good on paper.
48:53I don't think to start Judkins any week. And then he just had a lot of good weeks because he's a talented player.
49:00Definitely more of a best ball feel for me.
49:02Rest of the year. I mean, you can just put him in a flex and pray and it's going to work out
49:08sometimes because again, he's going to get random touchdowns, but there's just doesn't seem to be a single game script.
49:14I'm looking forward to. I get it. Some are going to be better than Jaguars, but not really like it.
49:20I, this offense looks unbelievably bad. Okay. Let's go to the, a little worried category for, and their defense sucks this year.
49:26Yeah. Do we have Travis, do we have Travis HN thoughts here?
49:29Oh yeah. I, I got a little bit better in the second half, but in the first half I was like, what
49:35the heck is going on right now? This is like the whole reason you draft this guy is because you think he's like a locked in bell cow.
49:43And then you're just putting the backfield, even though they've had like every single writing back to, they've tried get hurt over
49:50the past month and they've landed on Kendra Miller and he gets the red zone touchdown and just like, what is that?
49:56Stating. Um, so like, yeah, if you drafted him as the bell cow, that was a really, really concerning start to a lesser extent.
50:03The same thing kind of happened to Jalen Warren.
50:05In fact, he almost kind of looked like he was losing out on the backfield and that was happening before the fumble.
50:11Um, he ended up having more carries, but Rico Dowd played more.
50:15I don't really know what to make of that backfield either.
50:18And he was another guy who people were drafting thinking that like, he kind of had a near locked in role on like passing downs at least.
50:26Um, but it was kind of a kind of weird mix there.
50:29Yeah. Thoughts on those two. Yeah. I have a lot of thoughts.
50:32My first thought is that Warren and Dowdle, I think, I think I'm sorry to say, I think it has to, I
50:39think it's okay sometimes to say, I don't know.
50:41And I don't know. I want to continue to see how this plays out.
50:45My whole thing with Warren and Dowdle was like, I just feel like Dowdle is not that good at the end of the day.
50:52And Jalen Warren is going to prove to be the better rusher over the course of time.
50:57But I also thought Warren was going to be the third down back.
51:00And that was not the case. Dowdle was more of the third down back in this game.
51:05However, they both got enough targets because that's what Rogers does.
51:08So they're flexes this week. They're placing facing the Patriots.
51:11I'm not interested with it. With the Travis H and thing, I'm pissed.
51:15I think on the show last night, Dave thought Dave maybe said that he thought a channel like came out with like
51:21a little, I'm a little dinged up kind of situation.
51:24And then Miller had some carries there. Okay. They did run a play from the one yard line or the two yard line.
51:30And Travis H and was in, um, I think it's insane.
51:34And I think it's also concerning that Camara didn't play in this game.
51:37Do you look at like the seven catches that he had?
51:40Well, they threw 56 times and Camara didn't play.
51:43So I'm very nervous about a guy that I drafted a lot of was I thought he was, you know, I thought
51:49he was like a guy that's going to be, Oh, he should have been a sec, maybe a second round pick.
51:55Right. But I'm really worried about a chant. Uh, no, I would say I'm a little worried about a chant over time.
52:01If they don't, if they gave him that contract and don't use him more than screw them, they're stupid.
52:07Uh, but yeah, I I'm concerned. My rate is on my radar, Jacob, for sure.
52:11I'd say this about the Steelers situation. Go back and watch the tape before tomorrow's episode.
52:16Jacob, once I get through all the giant stuff, I need to see what happened there.
52:20Cause I was wildly disappointed with the Steelers offense as a whole in that matchup with the game script they got and
52:26how many times Atlanta turned the ball back over to them over and over again with Cooper rush, basically unplayable player.
52:32I'm really just disgusted and surprised with Atlanta and not playing Jack strand over him.
52:36At least try to move the football with a guy we know who can't.
52:40Cooper rush, but the offense didn't move the ball on this Steelers offense line was really bally hooded.
52:46They'd had a, they've added a lot of first round talent.
52:49They were supposedly having a great camp, the offensive line, and they weren't moving bodies at all in that game.
52:54From what I've seen on the broadcast, like Warren Dowdle, they didn't really have much many places to go.
53:00And Aaron Rogers wasn't doing much either. I was just kind of shocked at how bad they were on offense in what
53:06should be one of their best matchups of the year.
53:09They went super drop back heavy too. And again, they were leading the whole time, which I think maybe signals that they
53:15didn't feel a lot of confidence in the right game.
53:18It was weird. Other players are a little worried about a pair of Eagles on here.
53:22Well, actually, before we get to that, I just, I don't really care about what happened with Drake London and Kyle Pitts.
53:29I'm not going to start them as long as Cooper Rush is playing quarterback.
53:33Yeah. Like it's just not going to happen. You know, maybe I'll take another shot on, on Drake London if I have
53:39to, but I just kind of, I'm guessing you saw something else because I think you could easily explain their struggles by just saying the quarterback.
53:46I just think that Zach Robinson, we're going to talk about him a little bit at some point.
53:51We'll definitely talk about beyond the box score on our YouTube channel with like a Mecca Buka and everything.
53:57Like the usage was really, really good. Like all the motion at the snap of the football creative stuff that we saw
54:03last year, Atlanta transferred over immediately with the bucks.
54:05Um, and Atlanta, it didn't really feel that way.
54:08London was used in motion a little bit before the snap, never at the snap of the football and pits.
54:14It was just like very little intent or design or creativity to get him the ball.
54:18It felt like the offense was just get Bichon the ball and fair enough.
54:22But like, I don't know. I'm, I'm nervous about those two right now.
54:26Yeah. Why Barkley and Devante Smith? The Eagles were dead last and pass success rate.
54:30Um, and they weren't much better on the ground as I, you know, alluded to with the yards before contact earlier.
54:36Um, I need to dig into the film to really give you my full thoughts on it, but yeah, I didn't get
54:42hardly any play action in this game. Oof. Um, I wonder if maybe they're not very comfortable with the install of what
54:48they've been trying to do this off season. Um, and this should have been a soft matchup.
54:53So I was hoping to see some semblance of like a potentially explosive offense and everything.
54:58We got a few big plays, but it was, it was just kind of, I don't know.
55:03It just looked like pretty much like last year, but we'll see.
55:06I need to dig into it more. Okay. And then for the players that Jacob's not worried about, basically the Bengals, the
55:12chargers, we have a question separately about the chargers.
55:15Colson Loveland, Luther Burden, Christian McCaffrey. I mean, I am a little worried about Christian McCaffrey.
55:19Not that he's going to be bad or anything, but, um, way too much.
55:23Kaylon Black, way too much. And you know, H and you have on there, George Pickens totally agree.
55:28Baker Mayfield and Emeka Buka. You are not worried about, you know, Mayfield.
55:32One thing I didn't like about him going into last year was that in 2024, his great year, he led the NFL
55:38in fumbles and he only lost two of them.
55:41And he's just a big fumbler. So it's caught up to him a little bit and he's got to stop doing that
55:47garbage, but they could definitely put up some points, but let's talk about McCaffrey and H and you're not worried about them.
55:53And I am a little worried about them. Yeah.
55:56Um, I, I, obviously we don't know what's going to happen with the backfield in San Francisco.
56:01Um, and if Kaylon Black, especially if he takes like goal line touches, if he like plays well enough that Shannon just
56:07kind of keeps him in there, that would be really annoying.
56:10And I think that's possible. I think Kaylon Black is really good.
56:13Um, but mostly these are low value touches. And so CMC is still, I think, going to get a lot of high value touches.
56:20And just overall to me, it felt good that the offense looked good.
56:24Yeah. Um, I thought that Brock Purdy, I mean, we've seen a lot, we saw a lot of quarterbacks this week struggle
56:30against all this deep zone cover six stuff, just like for like kind of baiting them into these bad throws down the field and they were taking it.
56:38And Brock Purdy was the opposite. He was methodical.
56:41He just like dropped back and took what was there over and over and over and over and over.
56:46Mike Evans looked like fricking Jawan Jennings or something.
56:48Like that was not the role I was expecting, but like, that's what he was doing.
56:53And it's like, I think we're going to see, I think Evans will offer them some field stretching at some point.
56:59I thought he did a good job of that last year.
57:02I know a lot of people might think he's toast, but I think he's still got it.
57:07Um, and I think that offers a different element to this offensively we've seen.
57:11And then if we also have the consistency, the chain moving and everything there, it's just, it's just such a good machine
57:17man for fantasy point producing, just like bet on that.
57:20And so to me, I thought CMC looked good.
57:22There's been kind of concerns with like the soreness or whatever, but I thought he actually looked like he had some juice.
57:29Um, and I think it might be a good thing to get him where he's not taking a beating.
57:34Um, and so the, there's a little more like, uh, selectivity with when he gets the ball.
57:39Yeah. I felt that. I feel that too. H and I mean, I felt like this was a game where they might
57:45be able to run the ball a little bit and he had 11 carries.
57:49Now they're at San Francisco, Kansas city at Minnesota, Cincinnati, you know, we know how great Devon H and is, but all
57:55the things, if you were worried about Devon H and they all kind of came to fruition, uh, yesterday.
58:01Yeah. Right. Yeah. I know. That's why I wanted to put them on here.
58:05And I, again, I could be wrong. It could be a problematic thing all year long, but, um, I thought that they
58:11did a pretty good job of trying to get him out into space.
58:15I'm trying to design receiving touches to him. My guess is that we'll see.
58:19It was a pretty bad day for Miami's offense.
58:21And maybe it's just gonna be like that all year.
58:24It could be like that. Maybe Malik Willis is not who I think he is, but there were good flashes with Willis.
58:30I'm, I'm nervous about this one a little, maybe I should put him a little worried because I'm personally worried that I'm
58:36too invested in wanting Malik Willis to succeed. And so I gravitate towards the flashes and ignore the fact that like it was pretty inconsistent and bumpy.
58:44If you look at like time to throw, um, on plays that were in the pocket, not outside of the pocket, he
58:50had by far the highest time to throw of any quarterback in week one.
58:54And that's kind of what we've seen from the leak.
58:57Um, but when it was like designed and on time and everything, I thought it functioned well.
59:02And we just need HN to give us one of these plays where he creates something in space.
59:07We just didn't get very much of in week one.
59:10I think that's kind of random. Would you guys rather have Deandre Swift or Devon HN rest of season?
59:15HN. It's a great question. I was so low on HN preseason.
59:19Didn't draft him in a single of my 26 leagues, but that's because he was priced differently than Swift.
59:24If I was on the board, I would have taken HN thinking about this rest of season going with Swift.
59:30I'm already there. Okay. And I'm going with Javante over him.
59:33I'm just, I, I, I, I'm much more scared of this HN situation, I guess, than Jacob is, which is fair because
59:39he watched the tape and I haven't watched it yet.
59:42I want to see it if they are in, and they did look like the, in the joint practice against the giants
59:48that I saw down in Miami, like he was getting targets.
59:51He was involved, but you know, this run scheme didn't look as good to me on the broadcast.
59:56And I watched a lot of that Raiders game was in the four o'clock window.
60:01That's no McDaniel. And generally speaking, I didn't think their offense looked very good either overall.
60:05So it's kind of similar to like a each hand situation in new Orleans, but just a better talent and getting all the red zone work.
60:12Like, I don't know. It just seems that all these teams, all these bad offenses, I have trouble buying into the running backs.
60:19I was just laughing at the name thing. Yeah, me too.
60:22You can compare HN to HN for the first time.
60:25I think we've really ever done that. All right.
60:27We got to move on here. I'm sorry to two more questions here.
60:31We'll wrap it up. From ghost Kerrigan. Is it possible?
60:34The chargers offense just isn't good. They scored 14 points, but Jacob, you just basically said you're not worried about them.
60:40I would say I am worried if lab McConkie misses time.
60:43I don't know how you feel. Yeah. No, that's fair.
60:46Lab McConkie produced five of their eight receiving first downs.
60:49The only other player to produce a receiving first down was David Njoku.
60:52He produced three. One of them was a play where it bounced off of a lineman's helmet and went to Njoku and he got like 15 yards.
61:00Yeah, it was pretty bad. McConkie was the only one getting open.
61:03QJ got open on a couple of plays and Herbert missed them.
61:07So that's my thought is like, it could be bad all year if you think Herbert's bad.
61:12If you think Herbert's just not a good quarterback, which some people legitimately do.
61:16And so if you think that this is like a fraud alert and Herbert is just going to be a fraud all year, then yeah, sell these guys.
61:23Sure. You said he looked bad, right? I saw on Twitter, you tweeted that he just had a bad game.
61:29Yep. I think it was one of the worst games.
61:32Was he, was he not seeing the field well or the, the, the, didn't seem like he was target.
61:37Didn't seem like he was seeing the field. Well, um, he was getting the ball out quick a lot of times and kind of missing things.
61:45And he just felt kind of uncomfortable. He made a couple of nice throws.
61:49He made a lot of weird throws. Um, in terms of accuracy, putting it behind people, but part of that though, too,
61:55is like, I don't know exactly what the design was.
61:58It's possible that Trey Harris wasn't going where he thought he was going to go.
62:02Yeah. For example. Um, but there were definitely some throws that were just off for sure.
62:07And some decisions that were just bad. And was the O line a problem?
62:10Cause I think that's probably the guards are terrible.
62:13The guards are terrible. Can't believe we might have another year of this.
62:17He had an 11, Justin Herbert had an 11.1% off target rate, which, uh, is high.
62:21I mean, but he's had, he had games like that last year, 14.9%, 10.9%, 12%, 23% as wild, but he struggled yesterday.
62:27Not great. Give him look at that. It's not like, uh, you get a new offensive coordinator and you snap your fingers.
62:34And in week one, it's always great. Obviously it took the bears a little while to find their footing last year.
62:40Um, so hopefully things will just get better for them.
62:42McConkie was terrific. And Justin Herbert averaged, let me see if I have this 10.3 yards per attempt with McConkie and 5.4
62:49yards per attempt without McConkie on the field last, uh, yesterday.
62:52And another thing I'd say is like, they had a very impressive touchdown drive in the first half.
62:57They got the ball again. They're driving down the field and Omar and Hampton fumbled.
63:01And that was a big turning point in the game.
63:04And on the next possession, they got inside the five yard line and they, they went for it on fourth down.
63:10Like just take the freaking points. It was fourth and three.
63:13Sure. They got sacked. So those were two drives that probably would have ended in some points.
63:18And they turned the ball over once with a fumble, once on downs.
63:22And then in the fourth quarter without McConkie, they were really stuck in the mud and they were trailing and just throwing and throwing.
63:28But, um, yeah, I, I, that was pretty bad.
63:31And I also thought the fact that they couldn't run on Arizona is a little concerning.
63:35But Chuba Hubbard was good yesterday. And that's our last question is from Scott.
63:39He wants to know about Chuba and Coker. We talked about Coker.
63:43We're buying in here. Chuba Hubbard, um, a terrific game.
63:4610 carries, 49 yards and a touchdown, three catches, 38 yards and a wide open touchdown.
63:50And he pretty much dominated snaps here. Do you guys think this is Dan, a sign of things to come in the car in the Panthers backfield?
63:58Or will it become more of an even split going forward?
64:01It's a great question. I know in the past we saw just recently as like a week or two ago, John, uh,
64:07their head coach basically say in the past, we've used a workhorse and it's worked out well.
64:12When we have the hot hand, we want to ride it.
64:15We saw this last year with Rico Dowdle previously with Hubbard.
64:18So it may just be a situation where right now they're riding the hot hand with Hubbard, especially given the fact that Brooks may not be fully healthy.
64:26He's playing, but maybe he's not fully healthy. And Brooks may have those plays like he had down the right side on
64:32the big passing play, get some work. But I think for now we got to consider this Chuba Hubbard's backfield.
64:38Yep. That's exactly how I feel. Everything we've heard from the coaches is that like, they're going to have one guy who's
64:44the lead back and like gets a feel for how the line is doing against the defense.
64:49Um, and then the other guys like a change of pace back.
64:52I thought it might be Brooks coming into the year because Hubbard had been banged up and then we had the weird injury stuff before the season.
65:00And then we get to week one and it's like all Hubbard.
65:04Um, so I think that's just where we're at.
65:06Like Brooks wasn't really even mixing in like the second half.
65:09He didn't get on the field until like the third drive.
65:12And it's just like, I think that's just, he's, he's just there to change it up right now.
65:17So unless there's an injury or something or Hubbard like has a bunch of fumbles or something, it's probably just his backfield.
65:24Okay. I think I'm a little more open-minded to the fact that this could be kind of fluid throughout the year because
65:30I'm not the biggest Chuba Hubbard guy. He, his longest run last season was 12 yards and he did not eclipse that.
65:36Oh no, sorry. He had one run longer than 12 yards last year.
65:40He had an 11 yard run yesterday, but he did fine.
65:43I mean, that was fine. I just, I guess we don't really know if Jonathan Brooks is any good, right?
65:49We've never really seen it, but I'm not convinced that Chuba Hubbard is so much better than him.
65:54Like right now it is his role. It's his job, but you know, it was his role to start last year.
66:00And then he got hurt. Rico Dowdle was awesome against some easy matchups and they kind of split, but I think it could be a little more fluid.
66:08However, I do think that you should, you should approach as if it's Chuba Hubbard's backfield.
66:12I'd be hesitant to be looking at Chuba Hubbard in my lineup and say, okay, I've got an RB2 for the rest of the season.
66:19I'd be a little hesitant there. Uh, but I think I'm, I think I'm starting to feel this, uh, this Panthers offense
66:25a little bit more, uh, because Bryce Young looks so good yesterday.
66:29So we'll see if he can do it again.
66:31I can't, I forget who the hell they play next week.
66:34Um, Hubbard was running back for an expected Atlanta this week running back for an XFP.
66:39Like his crazy, his role was great. I think you do have a running back to that.
66:44You never know what is going to happen the rest of season.
66:47Yeah. But like, until he gets hurt, until the wheels fall off, I think you got an RB2 that you're riding.
66:53Yeah. I mean, I'm certainly, I'm certainly starting him.
66:56I mean, he could be a top 12 guy next week.
66:59You know, I'd start him over Cam Scadaboo at the Rams.
67:02I'd start him over Quinchon Judkins. I'd probably start him over who the saints playing.
67:06Probably start him over Travis H. And, um, yeah, it's interesting.
67:09There's really no reason not to. I'd be really surprised if he got rug pulled.
67:14I think it would probably have to be an injury or him like having a bunch of fumbles.
67:19Yeah. Gradual, you know, but, but right. Like next week, Tyler's or Travis H.
67:23Chanette Baltimore versus the Falcons for Chuba Hubbard. You're certainly going to feel more comfortable with Hubbard in your lineup.
67:28Yeah. Right now he's an RB2 for sure. Okay.
67:31Uh, if, if not an RB1. That's it for fantasy football today.
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