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1:31It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races!
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1:39Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
1:42Welcome to the show. It's Sunday night. We're recapping week one, baby!
1:45Winners, losers, high scorers, and everything in between, I guess.
1:49Because, uh, there we are. Alright, so, exciting times.
1:52Let's jump right into it. Dave Richard, biggest winner of week one.
1:55The biggest winner of week one. And when you hear us say these things, that means that we don't remember the biggest winner that we sent you.
2:04And we have to race to our phones to see who we sent you.
2:08I am going to go with Parker Washington. Let's go full circle on this.
2:13When the offseason started, I felt like Parker Washington could build on it.
2:17And as the training camp period moved forward, it was obvious that Parker Washington was the number one target for Jacksonville.
2:24Saw it with my own two eyes when he was beating double teams against Tampa.
2:28And now it's Cleveland. And granted, it's Cleveland. But we saw this Jacksonville Jaguars offense look great through the air.
2:35And Parker Washington on six targets. Five catches, 83 yards, one touchdown, 19 PPR points.
2:39A stud, a must start, a superstar. Adam, a winner.
2:43Yeah. And it don't, it's Cleveland. I mean, Cleveland's not an easy matchup.
2:47They were today. Yeah, well, look. 23 pass attempts.
2:49This is what was a little bit of a concern.
2:5323 pass attempts for Trevor Lawrence. I mean, and he's completed 18 of them for 245 yards and four touchdowns.
2:59So definitely a winner there. Heath, who's the biggest loser?
3:02So am I supposed to give my biggest loser or the biggest loser that anyone sent in?
3:08I think I have to say the guy that scored zero fantasy points in a game that his team scored 59 points.
3:15And he was a third round pick. The son of the Bears offense.
3:19There was no son today. And they scored 59 points.
3:22I guess they don't need a son. Colston Loveland.
3:25And really putting the love in Loveland if you're a tennis fan.
3:28Um, absolutely astonishing. Cole commit with the touchdown reception.
3:31Loveland wasn't even targeted for a large portion of this game.
3:35Clearly not the focus, the son, the center, anything like that in a game where the Bears could literally do anything they wanted offensively.
3:42Um, woof. It was pretty shocking. And Kalief Raymond was their, their high target getter here, um, in a tremendous game for the offense here.
3:50So what do you make of it? Are you legitimately concerned?
3:54Yeah. Well, we asked 100%. I'm not saying I'm like benching Colston Loveland next week.
3:59I might, but that's not, that's not my plan.
4:01I'm not, I'm not thinking I'm definitely benching him.
4:04Um, there were a couple of leagues where I didn't draft Kyle Pitts.
4:08Yay. Um, who scored the same number of fantasy points.
4:12Um, but it was, I think it was more concerning than Pitts because at least Pitts has the excuse of there's this
4:19terrible quarterback and we didn't run a normal offense.
4:21And so that's why I didn't score any fantasy points.
4:25The Bears scored 59 points. Right. Um, I, I think if I had to guess, I'm going to rank Colston Loveland as
4:32a low end tight end one and not a high end tight end one.
4:36Wow. Wow. That feels a little overreactionary. If he was Trey McBride, who I was probably the most wrong about this year.
4:43Um, like I think for the most part, it's, it's important for us to say the guys we think we were actually
4:50wrong about versus it was one week. We'll see next week.
4:53Um, McBride feels like I was just wrong. If it was him that had a game where he scored zero points, it'd
5:00be much different than Colston Loveland, who had like a, a five or six game sample size where he was awesome.
5:07Yeah. Yeah. There were no games like this last year once he got rolling.
5:11So I, I want to wait until. I'm not telling you to bench him.
5:16Whether or not. I don't think anybody should do anything but start him.
5:20Okay. Hey Heath, what do you think about this?
5:23How's it? Uh, so I, I actually, I tweeted this out.
5:26That looks fantastic. I tweeted this out. I like, does not look like a beer.
5:31I wanted to, uh, I, I, sometimes it seems.
5:34Like on air, I'm not being a good friend.
5:37Dave, I'm sorry. I didn't, I didn't pick up on that.
5:40I did not pick up on that. Uh, yeah, go ahead.
5:44Uh, sometimes it seems like I'm not being a good friend and I want to be a good friend.
5:50And even the books will sometimes offer you an out to bets where like you can get $40 of your $50 back or $30 of your $50 back.
5:59Early cash out. I, I, yes. Early cash out.
6:01I wanted to offer you an early cash out on our wager.
6:05You can start right now. Uh huh. Not shave until Thanksgiving.
6:09Thanksgiving morning. It's only two week or two months and one week.
6:13So it's almost a 50% discount. Hmm. I don't know if I can do that.
6:17One week. You don't shave until Thanksgiving and you have served the bet and accepted defeat.
6:22I don't, I'll tell you off the air why I don't think I can do that.
6:27It's legitimate. It's a work excuse. It's a work excuse.
6:31Um, but, uh, I'll think about it. But by the way, the guy that you're backing has a hamstring injury.
6:37It might miss some time. So I don't know.
6:40He's fine. Jay Flowers on one hamstring in one half is better than Devante Smith.
6:45Devante Smith. I love the target share though for Devante Smith.
6:48All right, let's, uh, let's move forward. So some storylines today.
6:52Jamar Chase had a terrible game. Quarterbacks were great.
6:54I think when I look at three former number one picks making a huge statement today, Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence.
7:01And how about Bryce Young? You know, there was a beat reporter who's, who cover, who said, I've been covering the, I'm sorry.
7:08I wish I remembered his name. I've been covering the Panthers for 20 or 25 years or whatever.
7:14And I'm telling you, Bryce Young is going to have a big year and we didn't take it seriously.
7:20He comes out. He's the number three quarterback right now behind Caleb Williams and Josh Allen here in week one.
7:26We saw Jalen hurts in a new look offense.
7:29Honestly, like didn't really feel like it was as good as a, the 30 point performance.
7:34Of course, because it's Jalen hurts. Like I'm not sure that it was really sustainable and he wasn't really playing real football.
7:41No. And he scored 30 fantasy points. I was disappointed in the protection.
7:45They were, he was under pressure a lot. I was a little surprised.
7:49Um, the whole offense looked very disjointed and I'm very nervous about seeing what happened when he tried to look downfield between
7:56the numbers because he held the ball a lot and ended up either checking down, running, getting hit or throwing it incomplete.
8:03And it's, it's kind of awesome that he got to 30 fantasy points all said and done.
8:09And he should buy Dallas Goddard a steak dinner or something for that.
8:13But I thought he did not look very good.
8:15Yeah. I mean, I didn't think Jerry, I thought Jared golf played like crap today too.
8:21I'm not saying it's going to score 30 fantasy points.
8:24No, he didn't. He did play that crap. Yeah.
8:27He did. Um, yeah. I thought Carson Wentz played like crap and he had a pretty big game.
8:32He was extremely inaccurate. Made some terrible passes, but he's definitely the comps we should be used for Jalen.
8:38I'm just saying you can score fantasy points and not, I don't think Jalen hurts played that poorly.
8:44I just think the offense was a little, it wasn't on hurts.
8:48Just the offense wasn't, wasn't great. Um, Carson Wentz.
8:51Yeah. He's so here's your news and notes. All right.
8:54By the way, we have a 1230 PM tomorrow beyond the box score.
8:58Me, Dan and Jacob will give you some of the leftovers.
9:01Things we don't talk about today. Uh, Kyler Murray left with a concussion.
9:06They're at Chicago next week. That could be a fun game.
9:09Carson Wentz, 1% rostered, scored over 20 fantasy points today.
9:12He scored about 26. 25. Yeah. 25 to 26.
9:15He's made five starts last year and he scored more than 19 points.
9:1919.3 once was pretty hurt though. Last year. Uh, Dylan Sampson left in the first quarter.
9:24Uh, Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt. This is, I don't know if this matters, but Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt did fumble very late in the game.
9:32And I don't think he came back in unless he was in on the last two point try.
9:37I'll confirm it, but I'm pretty sure he did not come back in after he fumbled and did not lose the ball.
9:44Right. I thought he was a minor minor winner before that too.
9:48Yeah. And he may still be, but I thought it was interesting that Katron Allen came in and really took over his role and not Rashad white.
9:57Yeah. He was done after the fumble. I don't know if it's cause the fumble.
10:01I don't know if he got hurt. We, we don't know.
10:05Wide receiver news. AJ Brown could be out six weeks.
10:08Dajon Stribling could be out at least four weeks.
10:11Say flowers, hamstring injury, Jacoby lane wrist injury. Lamar Jackson was having an amazing game and basically shut it down in the
10:18second half during the game of the week. I think he had five pass attempts in the second half, something like that.
10:25Lad McConkie left late in the third quarter with what's being called a chest injury.
10:29Also for the chargers, Keandre Lambert Smith left with an injury.
10:33I don't know if he came back. A couple of guys left and came back.
10:38Three of them actually. Brian Thomas Jr., DJ Moore, Chris Olave.
10:41They left and came back. Two of them had huge games and jets wide receiver Omar Cooper Jr.
10:47left with an ankle injury. Chigo Conquo got hurt late in the game on the offensive line.
10:52Chris Lindstrom for Atlanta. He left with a concussion.
10:55He's our guard. Aaron Banks for the Packers. He was inactive.
10:59And boy, did they get whooped up front in the fourth quarter, at least of that game.
11:04That was the Packers against the Vikings. Packers had that game in hand and just blew it.
11:09I mean, credit to the Vikings too. And then there's some defensive stuff I can go through tomorrow.
11:15Nothing too huge here. Although I will say this about the Jets.
11:19The Packers get the Jets at home on the road next week.
11:23Jets already came into the game with a suspect secondary.
11:26I don't know if these guys came back. I don't think they did.
11:30But they lost two defensive backs in this game.
11:33Minka Fitzpatrick and Jarvis Brownlee. So could be a big day for Jordan Love.
11:37And I was looking to see if anybody was shadowing.
11:40The only one that I feel for sure was a shadow.
11:44Because like Stingley didn't shadow. The Eagles didn't shadow McLaurin.
11:47There wasn't a lot of that. But Christian Benford did shadow Nico Collins.
11:51Honestly, from what I saw, I think he actually did a pretty decent job.
11:56And Nico still had like seven for 70 and a touchdown.
11:59And I don't know about Jalen Johnson on Ted O'Reilly McMillan.
12:03I don't know if anybody noticed that. I saw him line up on him a few times.
12:08But maybe that was a reason why. Ted had a good game.
12:12Not a great game. But yeah, there's that. We'll take a look when I get the tape.
12:17Tomorrow. Early waiver wire. Some good options here. Heath, you want to take a stab at the early waiver wire?
12:24Caleb Douglas? I'll throw that at you. You had a big game.
12:27Caleb Douglas is for sure in consideration. Kendrick Bourne?
12:30They won't be playing the Raiders next week. I have a hard time putting...
12:35It seems so dumb. But like Kendrick Bourne seems equally dumb to me to Khalif Raymond.
12:40And I think Khalif Raymond's in a better offense.
12:43And so I would probably lean Raymond... I don't want it.
12:46I'd like to pretend like both the Khalif Raymond and Kendrick Bourne thing will never happen again.
12:51Right. That's what I want to pretend like. I think Bourne is more likely than Raymond.
12:56I like Veily better than both. Part of it does have to do with the fact that we saw this from Veily
13:03at the tail end of last year. And that Veily looked pretty good.
13:08I don't have an answer that I'm going to write in ink Sunday night with the waiver wire guys.
13:14But Veily would headline the list. Put it in pencil, Adam.
13:17Oh, Antonio Williams. I was really encouraged and surprised when we found out like Traylon Burks was inactive.
13:23And Williams was the clear number three. And then actually ahead of Terry McLaurin when it came to targets.
13:29Antonio Williams came up a yard short of a touchdown.
13:32He almost had a two-touchdown game. He had four catches, 64 yards, and a touchdown.
13:37And he had an almost touchdown. By the way, the almost touchdowns on today's show are brought to you by DK Metcalf,
13:44who almost had three big plays in this game.
13:47One of them he definitely was interfered with. And they didn't call it on AJ Terrell.
13:52The other two, like one was a tough play.
13:54One was just a bad drop. But he had 10 targets and didn't do much with them.
14:00It's too bad. Yeah, Jamie is about to enter the studio.
14:03And he's listening to me. But I haven't put him in yet.
14:07So I can say whatever I want about him.
14:10And he is powerless. But we're going to let Jamie, if he wants to give anyone for an early waiver wire.
14:17Oh, that won't end with Jamie cursing. Hey, Jamie.
14:19No, don't do it. Early waiver wire. We talked about Veily, Bourne, and Caleb Douglas.
14:24Did we steal all the good ones? Kalief Raymond.
14:27Yeah, we talked about him too. He's interesting. I think Kalen Black is under our threshold of guys to roster.
14:33So he should absolutely be added. You know, today was really an argument for two quarterback leagues.
14:39I mean, there's some really good quarterbacks. What am I going to do?
14:43Am I going to pick up Bryce Young? No.
14:46Yes. I don't need him. What league do I need Bryce Young in?
14:50The league where you have Drake May or Justin Herbert.
14:53Or Justin Herbert. Were you going to take Bryce Young over Justin Herbert rest of season?
14:58No, but you're going to want to have the option on your bench in case this isn't a one-week thing.
15:04I know. What's up? Yeah, I was just... I bet Kyler Murray's on the line.
15:09I don't even know if Bryce Young has a good matchup next week because the Steelers game was so weird.
15:16Right. At Atlanta, I would argue that it's good.
15:18All right. We got a lot of winners and losers to tell you about.
15:23We're going to do it after we take this break, and we'll break down every single game.
15:28And I think the running back splits are super...
15:31You know what? Yeah, on the other side of the break.
15:35On the other side of the break, Dave, I want you to tell us two backfields that really caught your eye in terms of playing time.
15:43And as we go through each game later, we'll talk about the splits there and what really stood out.
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17:27Let us surprise you. Oh my gosh. Imagine drafting Jamar Chase over Bijan Robinson today.
17:31That is an almost 30-point difference. For a point.
17:34Yeah. And apologies. I've already got at least one guy I mentioned saying, Jamar Chase is a total bust.
17:40Weird, right? One of his worst games. His worst game than...
17:44Which early-round player do you feel like is going to be a bust after one week?
17:49Bijan. I don't know if I'm ready to say any of them.
17:53Who'd you say, Adam? I said Bijan, but I was kidding.
17:56I mean, Bijan with 173 yards and a touchdown?
17:59Yeah, I was joking. First two rounds or first round?
18:02First two rounds. Well, the layup here is Bowers, because I'm worried about him when he comes back.
18:08He was a third-round pick. You can't use him.
18:11No, he wasn't, was he? Yes, he was. Where's Jeremiah Love?
18:14No, he... Third? Yeah. Well, I mean, you got to look at the A-chan game and be a little concerned.
18:21Hampton. Yeah. Hampton could be up there. Did he have a target?
18:24No. Not a lot of pass attempts, but still.
18:27I mean, what was A.J. Brown's ADP? Yeah. That's true.
18:30That's A.J. Brown's the answer. Yeah. A.J. Brown is the answer.
18:34Devon, A. Chan would be up there, too. Okay, you wanted backfields with some surprising splits.
18:39Here's one. Who was drafted first, Jonathan Brooks or Chuba Hubbard?
18:42Brooks. What a mistake. Chuba Hubbard, 69% of the snaps.
18:46Brooks didn't even play 20% of the snaps. Third downs inside the five, dominated by Chuba Hubbard.
18:51And then speaking of Jeremiah Love, who was not a round two pick, Tyler Algier led the way for the Cardinals in their win over the Chargers.
19:00And in the fourth quarter, the Cardinals had 18 snaps.
19:03Jeremiah Love was in on three of the 18 snaps.
19:06The rest went to Algier. Algier had the edge on third downs.
19:10Algier had the edge inside the five. I don't expect it to stay this way all season long, but this was a
19:17sucky way for Jeremiah Love's career to begin. The Cardinals play a good team next week, though.
19:22They do. Who do they play next week? They play the Seahawks.
19:26They're going to put up points, man. They'll probably have to play their good players against them.
19:31Well, this was the one. Honestly, this one I didn't expect Love to play that much, I guess.
19:37Sure. Because he was questionable coming in. I thought it was interesting that Bucky Irving had three catches on third down.
19:44He looked great, except for the fumble. He did.
19:46Right. All right. Let's get to some winners and losers.
19:50We'll talk about the backfields again as we go through all the games in just a bit.
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20:16The number two wide receivers on these teams, Jalen Coker and Devon Vele both had nine targets.
20:21Coker had a massive game. Eight for 138 and two touchdowns.
20:25Vele had seven for 69 and a touchdown. Coker and Vele are winners for you.
20:30Are we sure Coker's the number two receiver on his team?
20:33This is now you go back to the last seven games of last season where he has outscored Ted Orell and McMillan significantly when you include this game.
20:42You know, I was excited about him coming into the season.
20:45Drafted him on a lot of leagues. I hope this is clearly not going to do this, but a sign of things
20:52to come that he's going to continue to be involved and continue to be a significant weapon.
20:58And as I said, you know you're getting concentrated targets for these guys.
21:02We'll see, you know, how this moves forward. Darren Waller should have had a touchdown callback.
21:07But, you know, do they find like a consistent third weapon in the passing game, in the receiving core?
21:13But I think you got to be excited about Coker.
21:16I'm still excited about Ted Orell and McMillan. And I don't think we get 90-point games for the Panthers every week.
21:23But Jalen Coker is somebody that I thought could eventually be a starter in three-receiver leagues.
21:28That looks like it could happen as early as week two.
21:31And then for Devon Vele, you know, we said this going into the weekend.
21:36Like, this was a guy you want to pick up just in case he picks up where he left off.
21:42And where he left off was people forget because he missed the final four games of the season last year with a shoulder injury.
21:50But in the final four games that he played, he was averaging his six-plus targets per game.
21:55He was averaging over 11 PPR points per game, just shy of 12.
21:59And no Jordan Tyson. And so here we go, nine targets, seven for 69 in a touchdown.
22:05I don't think he's going away. I don't think, again, he's going to do this.
22:09But I don't think he's going away. So when we talk about waiver wire options, I don't remember who said it.
22:16If it was Dave or RJ White, we were sitting in the room at the night watching games about who are the waiver wire receivers.
22:24And one of them said, Vele is the only one I'm interested in of the group of receivers that we talked about.
22:31Sounds like me. I think it might have been you.
22:34But when you start to talk about the Kalief Ramons and Caleb Douglas and some of these other players that had some
22:41stronger out-of-nowhere performances, I just don't think Vele is going to disappear until Jordan Tyson comes back.
22:46And we don't know when that is. So Caleb's offense we thought was going to be explosive.
22:52Tyler sucked 400 passing yards today. And I think Vele is going to be a significant contributor.
22:57Shuck is one of my winners too, Adam. I just think that the way that he rallied in the second half was outstanding.
23:04And he was a little rusty. He didn't play in the preseason, if I recall correctly.
23:10Neither did Olave. Neither did Vele. Neither did Juwan Johnson.
23:13They held those guys out. But we saw Chris Olave.
23:16Man, it looked like he was on and off the field three different times in this game.
23:21And he still put up huge numbers. But there's obviously a world where Olave misses some time.
23:27And if that were to happen, Devon Vele is going to be the number one target in the Saints offense.
23:33And Tyler Shuck looks like he knows what he's doing.
23:36And I kind of feel like the game script for the Saints is going to be pretty much the same every week.
23:43And we got a taste of it this week.
23:46So I love Vele. I think that he's somebody that you could go and chase after.
23:51And I wish I had gotten more of him in drafts.
23:54I thought it was one of Jamie's best calls.
23:57Remember we got into an argument because I was saying Vele.
24:01And you go, yeah, why are you putting Vele?
24:04Take Caleb Douglas and Chris Bell. And now they both look like, you know, Caleb Douglas.
24:09Great job, Jamie. I was arguing with you? Yeah, you were saying why use your bench spot on Devon Vele when you could use that.
24:17I was arguing with you, Vele. I liked Vele.
24:20Yeah, but you wanted me to take the Dolphins guy.
24:23No, but I just – I remember, Jamie. Shut up.
24:26Okay, anyway, Vele, just one word of caution here.
24:29I have to bring this up. They did throw 56 passes.
24:32And I remember – In overtime. Yep, and I remember – Because he had a 16% target share today, Devon Vele.
24:39He also scored in regulation for what that's worth.
24:42No, he's 7% rostered. I mean, it's a great call.
24:45I'm not disputing it. But just to – 56 pass attempts, a lot of times you get those types of games.
24:52They come back down to earth. They throw 35 passes the next week.
24:56Things don't quite look the same. I remember it exactly happened just like that with Dontavian Wicks a few years ago with
25:03a Green Bay-Minnesota game where they threw like 50-something passes.
25:06Dave has Parker Washington and Tyler Shuck. Tyler Shuck is 66% rostered.
25:10He's at Baltimore next week. He scored 29.2 fantasy points.
25:13And like you said, you think they're going to be playing like this.
25:17Can I ask you actually, what's the backfield split there?
25:20Because I didn't love what I saw from Travis A-Chan.
25:23They didn't run that much. A-Chan had 58% of the snaps.
25:27Kendra Miller 30%. And I have A-Chan with one of one snap inside the five.
25:31Miller had a touchdown run that was – It wasn't short yardage.
25:35It was from eight yards out. So, I can get you the number from inside the 10.
25:41But I think if I remember – I didn't watch that game closely in the first half.
25:46So, I might be speaking out of school here.
25:49But I think Travis A-Chan was like in on the drive and then either got banged up or he called himself out for the game.
25:57And in came Kendra Miller and that's why he scored.
26:00Okay. Seven catches, I think, for Travis A-Chan. But no Camara.
26:03Heath, your winners. I'm going to give you three.
26:06Because you had Trey McBride and you said, get rid of McBride and let's throw in Christian Watson.
26:12But I think McBride deserves it here with 13 targets in this game and Marvin Harrison Jr.
26:17having very little role here. But big game. Yeah, one great catch.
26:21Big game for McBride. Nine for 95 and a touchdown.
26:24Brees Hall and Christian Watson are your winners. Yeah, I think I already said he was the guy I feel like I
26:31was most wrong about after one week. Dave, kudos to him for having McBride tied in one.
26:37Not sure there's much to say about that. Brees Hall was a bell cowl, which is what we were hoping that Brees Hall would be.
26:45Only two catches, which was a little disappointing. But they didn't have to throw the ball a lot because they were up
26:52big in this game for most of the second half.
26:55I think Brees Hall is a borderline RB1. Rest of season.
26:58Christian Watson. I remember at some point this summer you said, like, what's the upside for Christian Watson if everything goes right?
27:05And we said, I mean, I did at least.
27:08If everything goes right, he's a borderline top 12 wide receiver.
27:12That's exactly what he looked like in this game.
27:14It was kind of disappointing that he disappeared in the second half for a while.
27:19But I think he's the clear wide receiver one for the Packers.
27:23And they were extremely, I'll be very interested to watch their splits next week because they were extremely pass heavy in this game.
27:30I don't know how much of that had to do with the Minnesota front and how much of that had to do
27:37with the fact they didn't have Josh Jacobs and didn't trust the running game.
27:42And the run game wasn't very good anyway. So if they're going to throw the ball 35 times a game and Christian
27:49Watson's going to be the clear wide receiver one on a weekly basis, he does have top 12 upside.
27:55I mean, just like, obviously it was a great game for him.
27:58He had a very long play for a touchdown, but he had a couple of long plays.
28:04Yeah, that's what he does. But he wasn't even the target leader.
28:08Golden had three more targets than him or four more targets than him.
28:12Does that bother you? By the way, they had a 70% pass rate in the first half.
28:17Like, forget about the comeback effort in the first half.
28:20They can't run the ball right now. Yeah. Well, they couldn't today.
28:24And Lloyd didn't look great either. But we knew they might have trouble against Minnesota.
28:29But the fact that Golden out-targeted him, does that bother you?
28:32He was more of a winner when I sent it in at halftime than he was for the whole game.
28:39But I still think he's a winner. After three quarters, Watson and Golden were tied in targets at six each.
28:45Okay. David, I... About half those targets for Golden came in the third quarter, none for Watson.
28:50Obviously, I can't help but love what we saw from Brees Hall.
28:54We figured this would be a good game for him.
28:57Me too. But I think there was only... I only remember one short yardage play.
29:02It was a fourth and one. And Braylon Allen scored a touchdown on it, but it was called back.
29:08Called back. So, I don't know that we got any short yardage answers or goal line answers.
29:14I've got them for you. Brees had all three of their snaps inside the five.
29:18Braylon Allen was their third down back. Oh, wow.
29:21Nine of 12 on third downs. That was very surprising.
29:24Because if you had asked me before the game, I would have said Brees Hall would be the guy that would still play on third downs.
29:33And Braylon Allen would have short yardage goal line.
29:35And I love Brees this week. And I told you all offseason long that Brees Hall wasn't going to be my guy,
29:42but he's got a great early season schedule. And week one was no exception.
29:47Go ahead. Heath? Isaiah Davis didn't touch the ball, right?
29:50No. Does he act like a committee with two guys is fine?
29:54Almost everybody has that. The concern with Brees Hall was that Isaiah Davis is handling third downs.
29:59Braylon Allen's handling short yardage. And Brees Hall is a trap back.
30:03And he wasn't. Isaiah Davis was active. Yeah, but he wasn't really all that active, was he?
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30:37That's join.whoop.com slash FFT. On to our losers. Colson Loveland we talked about.
30:41But this, I mean, are we putting the buy low label here?
30:45Like, how low are we talking here? Would you give up?
30:49Would you give up? Who had a good game today?
30:52Like, Ted Aroa McMillan or Colson Loveland? Who would you rather have?
30:56Loveland. Woodleen Loveland. I'm probably not selling low on Loveland.
30:59But, well, you would because he had an extremely thin profile and he scored zero points in a game they scored 59 points.
31:06He's so good, though. He's going to be, he's so good.
31:09Come on. Yeah, he was great today. I think Ben Johnson kind of told you, I'm going to lead the NFL in scoring.
31:17And they went out and scored 59 points. Like, they're, the potential is clearly there.
31:22So, I don't know. I don't want to give up Ted to get Loveland.
31:26I don't want to give up Loveland to get Ted.
31:29I'd like to have pieces of both of those players.
31:32But, like, if that's the type of player you have to give up to get what I still think is going to
31:39be one of the better players on that team, like, you do so.
31:43And your other loser was Jonathan Brooks. And we talked about both of those guys.
31:48I guess the only thing, if you want to have a little optimism for Jonathan Brooks is maybe I don't know if he was fully healthy.
31:56Maybe they would just give him a game and maybe next week looks different.
32:01And I'm not dropping him. Sure. He just looks more like a handcuff again.
32:05Yeah. All right. Well, we'll see what happens next week.
32:08Dave's losers are Quinchon Judkins, who was 73% started and had 50 total yards and two catches at the Jaguars and the
32:15Steelers, who, you know, I watched a lot of that game.
32:19It was one of the games I had streaming by choice.
32:22And it was like, how is this game not a blowout?
32:26Right. It's crazy. But Quinchon Judkins and the Steelers.
32:29I'm scared to death that this is going to be how the Browns games are going to go this year, where the
32:36offense is just not going to be able to hold up its end of the bargain.
32:41It puts the defense in bad positions. Browns have to chase points in the second half.
32:46What's left for Quinchon Judkins? One of the things that I was hoping for was that Quinchon Judkins would get a lot
32:53of targets and catches as part of the offense for them.
32:56He had two targets and two catches. And I don't know if that's a Deshaun thing and it'll get better when it's
33:03Shudder Sanders or Taylor Green or Dylan Gabriel or Arch Manning.
33:07We just don't know. But I'm officially nervous about Quinchon Judkins coming through where we drafted him and being able to overcome
33:14what seems to be kind of a hopeless situation for however long the Browns offense flounders like it did in this game.
33:21And the Steelers, speaking of floundering, their offense wasn't really that good.
33:24I thought DK Metcalf really blew an opportunity to be good this week and then a sell-high candidate and then we can run them off our teams.
33:33Their schedule is really bad coming up. The run game was very messy.
33:37I did not feel good about where the Steelers are offensively.
33:41And I don't know if I feel good about starting any of them moving forward.
33:45All right. I mean, can I, you know, that's a little, like, for now, right?
33:50For now. It was only one week. Well, there, was there any Steelers?
33:54New England, Cincinnati, Cleveland. Maybe that Cleveland game. No, that's exactly, Jamie, you're right.
33:59I mean, they all, they're not a single must-start on the team.
34:02Right? Right. The thing that I was hoping to see, which I don't think we have a definitive answer, is do we
34:09have roles for the running backs that you could sort of say, okay, this guy's going to do this, this guy's going to do that.
34:17If there's anything, it's the five catches for Warren and maybe that's the Kenneth Gainwell short area target guy for Rodgers.
34:24So, like, he was my preferred running back. And I went back and forth on it.
34:29So, I'm not going to sit here and say I was Warren the entire offseason.
34:34But he was the one that I settled on just because I thought this was how it was going to go.
34:40It could change next week, for all we know.
34:43You know, just because it's not like Dowdle's a bad pass catcher or can't pass protect.
34:48It's not like Warren can't run. But if there's something that you take away from this, at least for me, it's, okay,
34:55if I drafted one of the two or if I drafted both for any reason, I'm going to lean Warren over Dowdle.
35:02And I'm pretty optimistic about the 10 targets for DK.
35:05Yeah, it was a good thing, for sure. And Aaron Rodgers even kind of talked about that.
35:11He's like, I didn't really have a training camp with Michael Pittman.
35:15And his Pittman was hurt, right? Yeah. As far as Warren versus Dowdle, I mean, Dowdle had a really bad game as a rusher.
35:2215 yards on what, like eight carries? Pull up the stats here.
35:26Sorry. He had, yeah, he had eight for 15.
35:29Warren had 10 for 46. Warren had five catches on six targets.
35:33Dowdle had five targets. If you didn't look at those stats and you just looked at the snaps and you looked at
35:40who played on third down and that kind of stuff, Dowdle out snapped him.
35:44Dowdle played more on third down. Um, they were kind of split it pretty evenly, but there were some third and threes where Dowdle was in there.
35:53But, but Warren just outperformed him, but he did also fumble Warren.
35:56Uh, Jamie's got Jamison Williams who didn't do much with nine targets.
36:00Weird game for the Lions. Four for 45 on nine targets for Jamo and Chris Godwin.
36:05Yeah. I mean, this just sucked. Four for 40 on four targets.
36:09It's, I thought a book could look good, you know, so that's something there.
36:14So, you know, for anybody that has both or, you know, hoping to see a healthier book, I think that was a
36:21problem for Godwin a little bit early. They were trying to feed a book to start the game.
36:26So hopefully Godwin is a little bit better. I mean, really the whole Bucs offense was very disjointed with all the turnovers.
36:33Baker did not have a good game. Thankfully they play Cleveland next week where Trevor Lawrence just did whatever he wanted to
36:40do and all the receivers did well. So I wouldn't necessarily panic about Godwin per se for Jamo.
36:46Yeah. It's just, uh, you know, what felt like a failed game for a lot of the Lions.
36:52I mean, Derek golf was my start of the week.
36:55Got lucky that he got the last touchdown there to get him to 20 fantasy points.
37:00Um, Jamir Gibbs was awesome and, and, and St.
37:03Brown, but you know, Laporta and Jamison Williams really combining the two of them.
37:07You just hope to see a little bit more when they're getting those chances.
37:12And, you know, I think they will. So I wouldn't panic on any of these guys, but it was just frustrating that
37:19the Lions, I was just trying to think of like, which line could I, could I put in there?
37:25And the fact that he got nine targets, you, you tell me most weeks that he's going to get north of seven targets.
37:32I'm starting Jamison Williams. And this is just one of those poor games.
37:36I thought he was the reason the Lions had a weird game.
37:40He just had a hard time grabbing the ball when it was right there, both on a, an end around and, and several targets.
37:47He was also one down at the one. Yeah, he did.
37:51Yeah. Jamo had normal touchdown. Yeah. Cut his hair.
37:54You never want to do that. That's bad. But yeah, do I have to update the photo here?
37:59I think if you got to look at the last three games that Sam Laporta has played, he and Jamison Williams are now are within one target.
38:08Basically every game they've had the same amount of targets.
38:11Basically. I think like it's probably 24 to 23 Jamo and over the last three games.
38:16Okay. Some goal line. We talked about the goal line stuff.
38:20We didn't really see much from the Jaguars in terms of that, but Chris Rodriguez, they've gotten to goal and goal to
38:27go from the eight or nine yard line. And Rodriguez was in.
38:30Um, Chikori Krosky merit really controlled that backfield for the most part until the fumble in Minnesota.
38:36It was probably a pretty even split. It's at the goal line.
38:40They both got goal line touchdowns in Arizona. We had Algier mostly, but love had what a four yard touchdown.
38:46I think five yard touchdown. We had a lot of almost touchdowns when Zay Flowers had his first big catch and he
38:53came up short of the end zone. I was like, yes, it was not to be.
38:58He had another one. Um, there was a lot, uh, but, uh, yeah, you know, you probably don't need to know anything.
39:05Okay. Well, to get into the games when we come back, Cincinnati, Tampa Bay is the first one.
39:11Oh, you know, we got to do the leaderboard too.
39:14We'll look at some of the top scores and then we'll get into the games.
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40:59Heath, what do you think about this one? Uh-huh.
41:02As the Dynasty guy. I just got offered from Adam a first-round pick next year for Jalen Coker.
41:08You give up your first-round pick for Jalen Coker?
41:11Yeah. I would not do that. Oh, come on.
41:14Are you sure? I would not. I would do it.
41:17What's happening? Did you win this week? Did I win?
41:20No, Jamie. Oh. Oh, I don't know yet. I think I'm in a dogfight.
41:24Okay, well, if you win, you should definitely trade for Coker.
41:28I sent it to him while he was talking about Coker as a winner.
41:32I just figured, you know, get those good vibes going.
41:35Oh, you have Coker in that league. I think the other league, I have Coker.
41:40Yeah, I have Coker, and I offered you him for your first-round pick.
41:44Oh, okay. I thought you wanted a first-round pick.
41:47That's a no. Yeah. Second-round pick? You don't have a second-round pick.
41:51Oh, no, I'm getting killed. You don't have a second-round pick, unfortunately.
41:55I'm getting killed. Okay, Caleb Williams, Josh Allen, Bryce Young, Trevor Lawrence, and Jalen Hurts are your top five quarterbacks.
42:01Dave, are you buying Bryce Young as a guy that is going to be good for fantasy this year?
42:07Do I want to carry him on my bench and see what happens over the next week or two?
42:13Sure. Would I rather have Tyler Shuck? Yes. Okay.
42:16Oh, Heath, would you have Bryce Young and CJ Stroud, right?
42:20In the Superflex League, yes. And I might lose.
42:22We're both projected for 190 points this week. Wow.
42:25Atlanta, Cleveland, Detroit, the next three games for Carolina, and then they're on a bye after that.
42:31It's pretty good. It's not bad. I mean, based on today, if we're just going by week one, is there a bad matchup that exists?
42:39I mean, there was a lot of offense today.
42:41All right. The top five running backs in week one were Derek Henry.
42:45He's good. Jameer Gibbs. He's also good. DeAndre Swift, Ashton Gentry, six catches, 45 yards and two touchdowns, plus 23 carries, and Bijan Robinson.
42:53So it was like some of the very best.
42:56This was a star-studded group. So why don't we talk about...
42:59I'm sorry, just to cut you off real quick, but did you know that just the one o'clock games alone, there were 21 running back touchdowns?
43:08Wow. Wow. And the Bears game was the highest scoring week one game ever.
43:12It was the third highest score for the Bears ever.
43:15Wow. Amazing. Heath, DeAndre Swift, man. Like, Monongai... By the way, Giants are going to the Super Bowl.
43:21Monongai, not really much of a factor. I know he had the big run, but Swift had a great role today.
43:28Yeah, he had a great role early in the game.
43:31Monongai carried a lot of the stuff late in the game.
43:34They both looked fantastic. The run offense remains the best part of this offense.
43:39You got to feel great about DeAndre Swift as a high-end RB, too.
43:4356% of the snaps to Monongai's 44%. That's not a great split.
43:47I wonder... You have first three quarters? I can get it.
43:50Yeah, when we get to that game... It was a bigger split in the first three quarters.
43:56I would think so. I believe. Yeah. Okay, we've got the top wide receivers this week.
44:01Jamar Chase had six... No, Jamar Chase was not one of the top five.
44:05That's weird. But Jalen Coker was number one. Top 55.
44:08Christian Watson, two. Justin Jefferson, three. Amon Ross St.
44:11Brown, four. Chris Olave, five. And I would say, Jamie, that if you told me Carson Wentz was going to be the
44:18quarterback, I probably would have drafted Justin Jefferson. Do you think Jefferson is better off with Wentz than Kyler?
44:24I think that remains to be seen. But clearly, we saw Jefferson perform very well with Wentz last season.
44:30He averaged 16.6 PPR points per game in the five starts that they had together.
44:35Four or five starts. I forget exactly what it was, so I apologize.
44:39So we'll see what the Vikings decide to do.
44:42They are not committed to Kyler Murray long term, so these are two guys that are not franchise staples for them.
44:48So I'm going to guess that if Kevin O'Connell feels that Carson Wentz is his best quarterback, he will probably stick with that.
44:56But they chose Kyler Murray for a reason, and hopefully we can get great production from Kyler and from Justin Jefferson.
45:02But you talk about most added players. Super flex leads.
45:06Carson Wentz should be at the top of your list.
45:09Yeah, for sure. Chicago, Tampa, Miami, New Orleans, bye.
45:12That's up next for Minnesota. Okay, tight ends. Trey McBride, one.
45:15Dallas Goddard, two. He had five targets. I think Jalen Hurts threw 24 passes.
45:19Mike Kosicki. That was weird. Seven targets for him, 78 yards and a touchdown.
45:24Dalton Kincaid was insanely good today. And Pat Friermuth is a top five tight end.
45:29Wow. So, you know, running back, wide receiver. Well, I guess running back, super chalky.
45:33Wide receiver, kind of a mix. Tight end, not that chalky at all other than McBride.
45:38Jamie, quick thoughts on tight end? Anyone? Got lucky with the Juwan Johnson catches late, the touchdown late.
45:44I think Loveland will clearly be better. I'm trying to think who else.
45:48How about Goddard? What kind of a statement was this from Goddard?
45:52Is this a sell-high statement or is this a you stole the drafts with Dallas Goddard?
45:57I don't think it's a sell-high statement for a team that we knew was having to replace his number one receiver and
46:04Goddard scored 11 touchdowns last year and got you off to a great start with two.
46:09So, I'm very happy to have Dallas Goddard on several teams and I'd be, you know, looking.
46:15I mean, look, would you turn Dallas Goddard into Colston Loveland?
46:18That's a move to make. So, you know, if you really believe in Colston Loveland, which I think a lot of people
46:25do, I wouldn't be trading Colston Loveland for Kyle Pitts right now.
46:29So, you know, just looking at guys that were...
46:32You wouldn't be trading Dallas Goddard for Pitts. I would not be trading Dallas Goddard for Kyle Pitts.
46:37You said Loveland for Pitts. No, no. I said both.
46:41I think Dave shook his head when Jamie suggested the Goddard for Loveland and I assume that means he'd rather keep Loveland.
46:48I would. Yeah. I thought Pitts had a better excuse today than Loveland did.
46:52Yeah, but... I agree. Who'd you rather have rest of the season?
46:56Loveland or Goddard? Loveland. Loveland. Oh, Heath, don't question yourself.
46:59This is probably Loveland. What a bad game. It was just very thin evidence coming into the year.
47:05Come on. Give him a break. Through the 4 p.m.
47:08games, there were 10 tight ends that had at least six targets.
47:12All but one had at least nine PPR points.
47:14It continues to be the thing to look for when you start a tight end.
47:19You just stare at him and say, all right, can this guy get six targets?
47:24And if he can, you've got a good shot for good fantasy numbers.
47:28I think if there's a takeaway, another takeaway from the Bears-Panthers game, it's that the Bears defense is going to be absolutely atrocious.
47:35And that's going to lead to them not playing with a significant lead.
47:39They're going to be probably in some games where they're chasing, and that's where Loveland will come into play.
47:46I'm sick to my stomach that I don't have enough Chicago Bears on my rosters.
47:50Cincinnati 33. I worked out this week. Except for Caleb.
47:53That's the funny thing. Is it like, you know, if I had Burden and Loveland, then...
47:58Cincinnati 33, Tampa Bay 27. Strange game. Baker Mayfield with three fumbles.
48:02Lost them all. Um... Also a pick that was called back because of an offsides.
48:07Mm-hmm. Yeah, very turnover-prone today. Good thing you signed that contract.
48:11So, Heath, you, me, and Jamie were very high on Chris Godwin.
48:14Dave was like 10 spots lower in the rankings.
48:17Are you concerned about Godwin? Four for 40 on four targets.
48:21Only 28 pass attempts for Mayfield. This was a defense that was very good against wide receivers last year.
48:27I didn't entirely believe that had to do with their skill level.
48:30They were pretty good against wide receivers again in this game.
48:34I'm slightly concerned. I wasn't really... Like, I didn't draft any Chris Godwin.
48:38I was more high on him this week because I thought it was a shootout.
48:43Mm-hmm. And I thought Baker was going to hold on to the ball.
48:47So, he'll probably be a low-end wide receiver three next week.
48:50They only ran 52 plays, the Bucs. I wonder if that was the lowest in the NFL this week.
48:56The Chargers were pretty low. The Titans ran 49.
48:59The Seahawks ran 48. The Cowboys only ran four.
49:02Oh, wait. This is their second possession. Browns, 49.
49:05Actually, the Bucs... A lot of teams were around 50.
49:08That's pretty low, though. Okay. On the other side of the ball, Dave, what do we make of Jamar Chase and his
49:15invisible game of two catches for 12 yards on four targets?
49:19His worst game in his last 63 games. You're going to keep starting him.
49:23There's no way it's going to be like this every single week where Mike Gusecki is dominating Jamar Chase.
49:29There's no reason to be... You can be upset because your first-round pick had a terrible game.
49:34I did not watch enough to know whether or not Jamar Chase was, like, limited.
49:39Did he look limited to you guys? Did anybody get eyes on him?
49:43No. He is coming off a hyper-extended. It's a fair point.
49:47Right. So, if he didn't look under percent, then that's a reason to be concerned.
49:52I don't know if he did or if he didn't.
49:55Someone in the chat probably watched that game closely and has a better idea than I do because I didn't watch this game closely.
50:02But I would imagine that as long as Burrow and Chase are on the field, there will be opportunities for huge games from each of them.
50:11The whole point of drafting them was because you know what their upside is.
50:15Why would you set them? Okay. Fair enough. And is anybody going to add Mike Kosicki?
50:20He is 4% rostered. I'm not. Kosicki? Are we in a deep tight end premium league?
50:25No. Then no. Okay. Buffalo 36, Houston 31. Very fun game.
50:29Yes. You definitely shouldn't take Josh Allen too early.
50:32I want to make sure you don't draft him too early.
50:3539. That's defense, man. They look bad. Honestly, I mean, I've obviously watched a lot of Josh Allen.
50:41We all have. And this could be a silly statement because I don't remember every performance.
50:46But this was like as good as I've ever seen the man play.
50:50He was – when a great player has one of his best games, it's really fun to watch.
50:56And he just was amazing. Especially against a tough defense that's had his number before.
51:00He also – I don't know who said this, but I saw it somewhere.
51:05He should send Lasseter a fruit basket for dropping the interception at the end.
51:09DJ Moore, I was way off on DJ Moore.
51:12I don't know if you guys felt the same.
51:15Same. Oh, yeah. Of course. Going to play well.
51:18And incredible catch to get the touchdown. Most of his damage came in the first half.
51:23But I think the thing that it does, it just opens up – it opens up Kincaid.
51:28It opens up a little for Shakir. Palmer gets that touchdown at the end.
51:33There's just now plus an offensive-minded head coach that – I get the benefit.
51:37Dave does a little bit at the end of the day watching games with Pete Prisco and Rand Carthon and guys that know the game very well.
51:46And Pete for years has been complaining about the Bills being so predictable and running on first down all the time.
51:52And they did not do that today. And Joe Brady was a little bit more open with the offense.
51:58And so that just shows you like you heard all training camp, Kincaid playing more snaps, doubling his snap count.
52:05I don't know what the snap count was today.
52:08But, you know, you can see what that guy's capable of when he's on the field.
52:13So DJ Moore, Kincaid, you know, I think these guys are clearly must-start options moving forward.
52:18And James Cook, I wouldn't panic. I think he's going to be fine.
52:22I think this is a signal to the rest of the league of what they're going to do.
52:27And I agree that James Cook is going to be fine.
52:31But it sure looks like this offense will be in Josh Allen's hands, maybe even a little bit more than it had been in the past.
52:39And the fact that they were willing to go after Houston's secondary with DJ Moore on a bunch of downfield throws.
52:46It wasn't just one or two. And, yeah, it was a little fluky how he caught that touchdown because Reed Blankenship went
52:53for the interception, missed it, missed DJ Moore. Moore caught the ball, and it was a walk-in touchdown from 43 yards out.
53:00It's still very interesting just what his usage was in this passing game.
53:04And it did open up everything underneath for Dalton Kincaid, Palmer on the post route for the touchdown.
53:10There was a lot there, and this could be, finally, to Pete's enjoyment, the best version of the Buffalo Bills offense under Josh Allen at quarterback.
53:18He asked me today during the game after watching this Josh Allen, so to your point, Adam, who would you take right now, healthy Mahomes or Josh Allen?
53:27And I still think most people would say healthy Mahomes, but like… I don't think so.
53:32I'd take Herbert. Of course. Yeah, 52 snaps for Kincaid.
53:35That's a really high share. That's great, yeah. All right, listen, to move things forward, Heath, David Montgomery had three touchdowns today, and he wasn't great per carry.
53:44But for all the talk about a 50-50 split, it was nothing like that.
53:48The split was really good. The efficiency from Montgomery was really not, and the touchdowns were awesome.
53:54And that's what you're banking on with David Montgomery.
53:56Okay. He's not going to score three, but he'll probably score one most weeks.
54:01No, but you got to, like… Do you feel better about him or Bejal Tootin right now?
54:06Probably him. Him. Montgomery. I'm more confident that the Jags offense is going to be closer to what they did this week
54:13than I am that the Texans offense is going to be closer to what they did this week.
54:19So… It's true. I think Tootin's still on a better offense.
54:22It's still a better offense, but here was a high-scoring game that Houston hung around in.
54:28And I don't know how many times recently they've been in a lot of those games.
54:33There have been some, but I remember the one from last year.
54:36It was Davis Mills at quarterback. There were probably more than one last year.
54:41I think it is a little concerning that Montgomery and Marks basically split snaps.
54:45It was 51% for Monty, 49% for Woody Marks.
54:48They each played 8 of 16 on third downs, 3 of 3 inside the 5 for Montgomery.
54:54So he's got the edge there. Yeah, but who cares?
54:57They do not want Marks near the goal line if they can help.
55:01All right. Let's go to our next game here.
55:04A lot of touches. Chicago. Free yards carry. Oh, no, wait.
55:07I got balled. Oh, the game of the week.
55:10Baltimore 41. Yeah, great call. Yeah, great call. Indianapolis 23.
55:13Look, it started out great. Wait, can I ask a question?
55:17I don't know if you guys talked about it.
55:19Is the bet per game or is the bet total points?
55:23I think both. I offered them an ouch. No, I think it's both though, right?
55:28That's so weird. To win? No, to win? You have to win both.
55:32To win both, yeah. Or the tiebreaker is points in the playoffs.
55:36Yeah, which I never agreed to. I thought it was stupid.
55:39You've 100% agreed to it. Yes. Because points per game, like Zay Flowers may be done for the season.
55:45Heath's going to win. Yeah, I know. We're never going to catch these points per game.
55:50Well, it might take Zay, what, two and a half more weeks to catch?
55:55Or Devontae, two and a half weeks to catch Zay.
55:58If Zay Flowers didn't play half the snaps, this game doesn't count.
56:02That's right. No, I told Dave that. I said, you know, by Adam's original rules, this game would not have counted for Zay Flowers.
56:09Okay. So Lamar Jackson was great today. We'll talk about him later in the week to see if we think maybe he won't be as great without Lane.
56:18Who knows how long Lane and Flowers are out.
56:21On the other side of the ball. Lane looked bad.
56:24Well, on the other side of the ball, Josh Downs played over 80% of the snaps, which was great, but he only had four targets.
56:32Jamie, Heath, what were your takeaways for the Colts?
56:35I would say I almost put Downs as a loser.
56:38And then I went and saw that he played so much.
56:42And so we'll give him another week. But it's the same thing that we've seen for each of the last two seasons
56:49is Keenan Allen ruining wide receivers that we want to start for fantasy football.
56:53And Keenan Allen didn't do anything that we want to start, but he did just enough to make the other guys gross.
57:00Yeah. I kept thinking about your first read rate for Daniel Dones, and his first read was Keenan Allen way too much.
57:07Yeah. And, you know, Alec Pierce, I think, give him credit here, 61 yards on six targets.
57:12That's awesome. I thought he looked a little bit better as the game went on.
57:17Yeah. And Tyler Warren just got lucky. Tyler Warren did get very lucky with the touchdown.
57:22And Josh Downs had both of his catches early on, both, I think, on slant routes over the middle.
57:28And then Daniel Jones just totally went away from him.
57:31Maybe it was something the Ravens didn't coverage to shut him down, but I thought that that was very odd.
57:38Man. Their opening drive was awesome. Yeah. And Taylor's awesome.
57:41I was ready to gloat. They should script the whole game.
57:44Jonathan Taylor is awesome. Man, he's so good. Chicago 59, Carolina 37.
57:48So, I mean, obviously the whole talk's about Loveland, but Burden didn't have a great game either.
57:53Five for 63 on five targets. You imagine you'll be starting him against Minnesota next week, Luther Burden?
57:59Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. And then on the other side, I think we've really covered this.
58:04Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's anything else to say about the Panthers that we haven't said.
58:09Anything you guys want to add? No. No. Okay.
58:12Jacksonville 34, Cleveland 10. Harold Fannin Jr.? Yep. Ugh.
58:15It's going to be... They're going to have to make a quarterback change sooner rather than later, right?
58:21You can change the goal. They accomplished their goal.
58:24You should have done it at halftime. Nope. Oh, man.
58:27Accomplish your goal. Right. If you're trying to lose games, Deshaun Watson's your man.
58:31Yep. He is awful. He was terrible. Yeah, he's...
58:34One great throw. And it was with a minute 50 left in the game.
58:38What do you make of... I don't know. The whole receiving core.
58:42Brian Thomas Jr., three targets. Parker Washington, six. Caught five of them for 83 yards and a touchdown.
58:48Thomas left for a while, right? Yeah, I'm looking it up right now.
58:52So, Dave, let me ask you a question. Would you drop Concepcion for Vele?
58:57It would be a move I would consider at this point.
59:00If I told you that Devon Vele was going to have a 16% target share, then you probably wouldn't.
59:0619 snaps for BTJ out of a possible 49 with Trevor Lawrence.
59:10Obviously, he wasn't going to play once Trevor Lawrence was pulled.
59:13His last snap was well into the third quarter.
59:16I think we have to see what they look like in a competitive game.
59:21They should get one next week. So, let's see what...
59:24At Denver? Yeah. So, let's see how this all shakes out.
59:27Parker Washington definitely made a great statement for the contract negotiations that were going on this weekend, obviously.
59:33I don't know. I think you feel pretty justified if you drafted him fifth round, maybe sixth round, seventh round, wherever he
59:40was going, depending on when you drafted. Like, he's their guy.
59:43Okay. Let's go to the Atlanta-Pittsburgh game. Atlanta 20, Pittsburgh 13.
59:47Believe it or not... I forgot about that. If somebody asks, is Tootin a Bilo candidate?
59:52I would say yes. Sure. I just don't... Is he?
59:55Because I really think that Chris Rodriguez is going to be the goal linebacker.
60:00I don't think that. I think it's... If I had to guess, I would guess it's Rodriguez more often than not.
60:06I just feel like... Yeah, but the idea would be is that you're getting Tootin cheap now.
60:12Or cheaper than he was going, so... Like, if you had...
60:15If you can... If there's a manager in your league that has Tootin and A.J.
60:20Brown, and they need a receiver, and they have a good running back, that's like trying to give them a receiver to get Tootin.
60:27Okay. How about... Believe it or not, nothing that happened today with Kyle Pitts and Drake London matters for their rest of season value.
60:35Believe it. Okay. And we talked about the Steelers running backs.
60:39They're at New England next week. That will not be an easy task.
60:43Detroit 31, New Orleans 30, an overtime thriller. Tyler Shuck, 56 passes, 29.2 pass attempts.
60:47What do you guys make of Trevor A. Chan, or Travis A.
60:51Chan? Nine carries. Miller had nine carries. A. Chan had seven catches.
60:55He ran 29 routes. The other running backs for the Saints ran a combined 12.
61:00But, Jamie, I think you're the only one who didn't comment on this.
61:04We talked about it early in the show. But there was no Camara today.
61:08I don't know. In a game that went like a full overtime, it was 31-30.
61:13You would hope for more than nine carries from Travis ETN A.
61:17Chan. Yeah. And it's not like they were behind.
61:20You know, they got down 21-0. But they were in 7-0 in half and I think 14-0 through three quarters.
61:26So, it was a good comeback effort by the Saints.
61:29But they still could have run the ball a little bit more early in the game.
61:34I think the most encouraging thing is, you know, Heath brought this up with Kellen Moore in Philadelphia.
61:40Like, he doesn't typically throw to his running backs.
61:43And so, that was a concern knowing that, and it still should be a concern, that Camara will probably play on a little bit more passing down situations.
61:52Or obvious passing down situations, I would assume. And that could hurt A.
61:56Chan. But if they're going to involve the running backs in the passing game, I think that's an encouraging thing moving forward.
62:03So, hopefully that's something that we see as a staple of this offense.
62:07But I think if you're Travis A. Chan, we got excited.
62:10And I know, Adam, you were sort of in on him the majority of the offseason.
62:15I know you got more encouraged when the Camara news happened, as did I.
62:20I think we probably all did. The fact that he's back as soon as he is, because I think, at least for
62:27me, I was thinking maybe three or four games he could miss.
62:31Yeah. That that's going to be a problem for A.
62:34Chan. And maybe they use three running backs now, which could be an even bigger problem.
62:39So, we'll see what this looks like moving forward.
62:42I'm still going to start him, even if Camara plays.
62:45You just hope that it's not going to be this lack of involvement as a rusher.
62:50If he's still going to be involved this much as a receiver, I love it.
62:55Okay. And the Lions are the Lions. Keep starting them.
62:58Would you rather have Sam LaPorter or Colson Loveland rest of the season?
63:02Still Loveland. Still Loveland. Yeah. Okay. Jets 23, Titans 10.
63:05You're bailing on your number two tight end already.
63:08I know. It's crazy. They scored zero points in a game.
63:12They scored 59 points. He was supposed to be the son of the offense.
63:16He was not even a factor in the offense.
63:19Yeah, but you can't bail now. I feel like this is a bet.
63:23It was cloudy. It was cloudy. There was no sun today.
63:26I'm not telling anybody to do anything drastic with Colson Loveland, but I don't think we should just act like, yeah, you know, he's clearly an established superstar.
63:35We shouldn't worry about this. Maybe the Panthers are the new Bills.
63:39They're just the best team against Tennessee. Maybe. You never know.
63:43You never know. So, Jets 23, Tennessee 10. Reese Hall, we talked about.
63:47Garrett Wilson had a nice game. Six catches, 79 yards on seven targets.
63:51I mean, the Jets were the Jets. Cam Ward was bad.
63:54I feel like he was under pressure a lot.
63:57But, wait, Tony Pollard, 53% started. Dave, can't feel too great about that.
64:01Yeah, that's why I didn't rank him as a top 30 running back.
64:05It's not the matchup that really worried me as much as what's going to happen when they fall behind.
64:11And you see TyJ Spears playing a larger chunk of the workload in the fourth quarter.
64:16It was 12 of 17 snaps in the fourth quarter for Spears.
64:20They had 13 combined touches. Yeah, that's not even a real game.
64:24Yeah, I just think that this is an ugly offense and you shouldn't start players from it.
64:29Yeah, Carnell Tate was only 19% started. Maybe another one or two bad games, people might start dropping Carnell Tate.
64:36Pollard's in a contract here? Yeah, I think so.
64:39Yeah, I think we both do. We need to start rooting for him to get traded.
64:44Okay. Minnesota 39. Sorry, would you drop Carnell Tate for Devon Bailey?
64:48No. Ooh. Worst player on my team. If Carnell Tate is the worst player on my team, I might think about it.
64:54I'd think about it. Jamie, what were your major takeaways from Minnesota 39, Green Bay 22?
65:00Take the points, man. Keep the field goal. That was amazing what happened after that play.
65:05Just how Minnesota's defense completely destroyed Green Bay's offensive line and Jordan Love couldn't do a thing.
65:10And everything went right for Minnesota from that point forward.
65:13So I thought Jordan Love looked good until the end.
65:16And so the interception was off a tip. The run game, though, is you've got to be a little concerned.
65:23Yes, it's Minnesota, so I wouldn't necessarily panic. But I think as Heath brought up earlier with Christian Watson, I think it'll be better for Jaden Reed.
65:31Matthew Golden, I thought, got off to a good start.
65:34I think Doug Craft will get better as well.
65:37But until most likely Josh Jacobs is back, this team could struggle to run the ball.
65:42They do get the Jets next week. Jets are coming off a big high.
65:47The Packers are coming off a terrible loss. So you know it usually happens in those moments.
65:52So I'm going to be encouraged about almost everything Green Bay with the running backs, most likely still Marshawn Lloyd, at best a flex.
66:00Christian Watson, now these numbers here I find in true media, it's probably accurate, but tomorrow it'll definitely be accurate.
66:0683% route run rate for Christian Watson was terrific.
66:0920% target share. We're hoping for higher than that.
66:12But 20% could be okay if they throw the ball a lot.
66:16But just keep in mind, what he did last year was eight months removed from an ACL tear.
66:21He's now two years removed from the ACL tear, which is when we see these guys usually at their best.
66:28Like this could be an absolutely smash season for him.
66:31As you know, Heath said before, it could be, you know, top 12 type wide receiver.
66:36Okay. I guess I was going to say, like, would you consider selling high or you just want to ride it out?
66:43You know, like if you're turning Christian Watson and into Jamar Chase, clearly, yes, you do that.
66:48If you're, you know, same thing with Puganakua coming off at this point in game too.
66:53I'm not selling for somebody in the same draft range.
66:56Yeah. Okay. No. I'm not turning Christian Watson into Luther Burton.
67:00Everybody drafted Luther Burton first. All right. And on the Minnesota side, Aaron Jones, Jordan Mason, pretty, pretty similar stuff here.
67:07They both scored, but if they didn't score, they're having terrible games.
67:10So it's right. Yeah. But that's going to be the case for them every week.
67:15Not if one of them catches passes. Neither of them had a catch.
67:19Right. I think, which is weird for Jones. Yeah.
67:2219 pass attempts for Watson five from her. So only 24 pass attempts in the game.
67:27Keep that in mind, but that is weird for Jones.
67:30Any interest in Hawkinson? Five targets, four for 36 and a touchdown for TJ Hawkinson.
67:35Slightly more than Mike Gusecki. And more interest than I had a week ago.
67:40Right. Dave, what was the snap count for Tucker Craft today?
67:43I'll look it up. All right. Let us know.
67:46Arizona 26, Chargers 14. 14. I love it. I love it.
67:49I'm just so glad that real football is back.
67:52Real football is back. This is what it looks like.
67:55They did make the playoffs last year, and the Chiefs didn't.
67:59You know that, right? It's true. It's true. They won a playoff game.
68:03They should hang that banner. No, they didn't win a playoff game.
68:07Everybody lost. Made the playoffs. No, Justin Herbert's never won a playoff game.
68:11He's never right. That's right. Do you want Tucker Craft now before we let Heath take the floor?
68:17Yeah, go ahead. His Chargers discussion. About two-thirds of the snaps for Tucker Craft.
68:21Pretty good. And Tucker Craft had three catches for 65 yards on six targets.
68:25Yeah. I guess I would just, to make the point about the Packers, maybe we can make it about the Cardinals.
68:32Is there going to be, maybe there's going to be some Christian Watson weeks, and then the next week is a Matthew
68:39Golden week, and then there's a Jaden Reed, and there's a Kraft week.
68:43You know, it's week one. You know, and for Marvin Harrison Jr., he got three targets today on 37 pass attempts.
68:50Is that just a bad week, or is this really concerning?
68:53You have to be concerned. I mean, you know, it's not just the fact that he had, that there was a lack of targets.
69:01It's that there's somebody else in the mix in Kendrick Bourne.
69:04You know, and we didn't see a fourth player last year.
69:08You know, it was two or three, depending on who was healthy.
69:12And I think you look at it, when's the last time that they had 100 yards combined from their running backs?
69:18Because it felt like last year they didn't have that at all.
69:22And so run game better. Defense obviously was better.
69:25You know, I don't know how much of that was just the Chargers just being completely inept.
69:30But, like, next week's going to be a problem for them playing Seattle.
69:35Like, they could be ugly. But at the same time, their offense, you're starting McBride.
69:39You're probably starting Love as at least, you know, a low-end number two running back flex range.
69:45And then Wilson, Marvin, I wouldn't buy into Kendrick Bourne just yet, are probably still in the wide receiver three discussions.
69:51So, you know, this was just a great game.
69:54Give LeFleur credit. Like, he coached a great game, and the Chargers looked like complete ass.
69:59Here's a question from the chat. It's a good one here.
70:03Would you drop Quentin Johnston for Jalen Coker? Quentin Johnston had two catches for 17 yards on six targets.
70:09I'd like to know what Ladd's injury is first.
70:12Right. I would no matter what. You would? Wow.
70:14I would drop Quentin Johnston for Jalen Coker. Okay.
70:17I'm not there. I don't think I'm there, especially if McConkie was out for a considerable period of time.
70:23The Chargers only had the ball for 22 minutes and 29 seconds.
70:27They had a bad day. The bad day at the office.
70:31First game with their new offensive coordinator. We expect more from them.
70:34Maybe Heath doesn't, but I think most people do.
70:37No, I expect more than losing to one of the worst teams in the NFL by double digits.
70:43They get what? The Raiders next week? They get the Raiders.
70:46Yeah. Yeah. Buffalo and Seattle. Denver after that. Yeah.
70:49They could be one and four. They won't be one and four.
70:53They could be on five. They're a good team.
70:56They had a bad day. Survivor pools. We get these every year, right?
71:00We get the Browns beat the Bengals last year, you know, in week one.
71:05The Raiders beat the Patriots last year. The Raiders beat the Patriots.
71:08This is a great point. And the Raiders beat the Dolphins, even though I put it in my notes as the Dolphins beat the Raiders 27-13.
71:17I'm pretty sure the Raiders beat the Dolphins 27-13.
71:19Do we have a Devon Achan problem yet? Yeah.
71:22You tell me. What do you think? Achan had 11 carries for 36 yards.
71:27He had four catches for 30 yards. He had five targets on 27 pass attempts, which is a very good target share.
71:34Yes. That's encouraging. But how worried are you? The offensive line was awful.
71:38You're probably asking the wrong person if I'm worried, but I was always worried.
71:42This team stinks. Like, it's bad. The offensive line was one of the worst I saw all day.
71:48Yeah. Overmatched against the Raiders. I didn't see much of it, so that's bad to know.
71:53It's Jente. Sell high on Jente. Achan or Jente rest of the season?
71:57Jente. Dude, if Jente's going to catch two touchdowns and get six targets every week, it's 100% Jente.
72:03Yeah, he's not. Dave. Six targets? I'll just be honest.
72:06Maybe not six targets, but maybe four? I'll be transparent.
72:09I had Jente ranked ahead of Achan before the ankle injury.
72:13You did. Yes. So, had that not occurred, I would have gladly drafted Jente first, and I would take Jente over Achan now.
72:20Before the ankle injury, Jente was going in the first round.
72:23I mean, it was top 10 pick, I think, in ADP.
72:27At least some ADPs. Yeah. And maybe the ankle was nothing.
72:30The whole Mike Washington's going to have a role thing.
72:34I'm just so sick of this crap. These reporters telling us and these coaches telling us that people are going to have roles, and they're just not.
72:42There's a role, but great. You went out of technicality.
72:45It could also, part of it being they played Miami, and Jente had got off to a good start in the game, and they leaned into it.
72:54And this is going to be probably the easiest matchup the Raiders have all year long.
72:59Wait. I don't know. They got the Chargers next week.
73:02That could be even better. No, come on. Start the Raiders DST next week, huh?
73:07Cousins had some very nice throws, and two of the worst you'll see of the week.
73:12I think maybe you could argue that when Brock Bowers comes back, that Jente isn't as involved in the passing game.
73:19Sure. Sure. It was disappointing for Tucker to see that.
73:22It was a nice touchdown catch by Jack Besh.
73:25This was the fear, I think, for this Raiders offense, was that there's not going to be a lot of anybody else but the tight end.
73:33And maybe it's both tight ends when Bowers is healthy, especially after what they just paid Mayer.
73:38So, you know, I think Mayer gave you good enough production that Dave gave you the numbers with the targets like anybody was north of six.
73:46Yep. You know, so six for 32, you would have loved to see him get a touchdown.
73:52But this is now four games without Brock Bowers where he's averaged over seven targets per game.
73:57Right. It's five. There were four last year. He only played three.
74:01I'm sorry. You're right. You're right. He was four.
74:04It was four. Three of them, he was good.
74:07No, two of them, he was good. So there's three.
74:10He's only been good in two of the five games that he's played without.
74:14Right. He played three games without Bowers of the five that Bowers missed.
74:18He played four of the five. How did Trey McBride do this week against the Chargers?
74:23I think I got concussed. Yeah, he played four of the five and he was bad in week 18.
74:29I think maybe you didn't count week 18. He was bad in week 18.
74:34Both of the bad games last year were against the Chiefs for Mayer.
74:38And today was disappointing. Six catches for 32 yards.
74:41But in a full PPR league, six catches didn't kill you.
74:44One more game here. And that would be Philadelphia 24 and Washington 22.
74:49Really fun one. Stefan Diggs with a terrible penalty.
74:51I guess you could say it didn't really haunt them, I guess, because they got the two-point conversion opportunity at the end.
74:58But that really bothered me. Well, they could have, you know.
75:02Yes, it was bad. They shouldn't have. It was bad.
75:05It was a topic after the game for sure.
75:08He was only starting 7% of leagues and he had nine targets, four for 55 and a touchdown.
75:14How surprised would you be if Stefan Diggs were the best wide receiver on the commanders this year?
75:19I'd be surprised. Just a little. Got a little range there.
75:23Okay. I think there's one thing to keep in mind.
75:26David and I noticed this at the end of the game.
75:29Krosky Merritt after the fumble. Jacoby Lane had come into the game.
75:33Not Jacoby Lane. Katron Allen. Katron Allen, excuse me.
75:36Katron Allen's got a wrist injury. He's going to be out.
75:40Yeah, I don't know where I got that. I was thinking of Jalen Lane.
75:44I don't know why. But Katron Allen came into the game earlier in the second half.
75:49Had one carry, came out. Krosky Merritt had the fumble.
75:52The commanders recovered it. And then Lane was in essentially the rest of the game.
75:57Nope, Katron Allen. Yes, Jesus Christ. And also, we talked about that about 35 minutes ago.
76:02We did. At the top of the show. That's okay.
76:05No, it's okay. Worth repeating. My bad. And it was, I think, it was really kind of an altering thing.
76:12Because I thought Bill was a winner up until that moment.
76:15Like, I thought that game had gone pretty well for him.
76:18Yeah. He got a little lucky with the touchdown score that he's lying on top of somebody's body.
76:24But still, like, Rashad White had very little role in this game.
76:28Yeah, totally. It was a good game for him in a matchup that we thought could be tough.
76:34And I would also, my last thing would be, forget about the bet thing.
76:38But I think an opportunity to buy low on Devontae Smith.
76:42I like the fact that he had 25% target share.
76:45And usually, you know, he'll do pretty well with that, I think.
76:49Should be a nice wide receiver, too. I think borderline wide receiver one, I'd say.
76:53And, you know, Zay Flower's doing better than Jamar Chase right now.
76:57Okay? It's only one week. It's only one week.
77:00I offered him an out, Jamie, but he wouldn't take it.
77:03No, I'll tell you why. How nervous are you about Zay Flower's injury, though?
77:08Forget about the bet. I'm not really. He looked more annoyed to me, because I was watching quite a bit of that
77:15game on the sideline, than, like, hurt. So maybe he misses a week.
77:19That was the issue he was dealing with in camp, right?
77:22That's why I'm concerned. So that's why you've got to have some concern.
77:27He might take a week off. He might take a month off if it's significant.
77:31I hope he... I will gladly lose the bet.
77:34The people who drafted Zay Flowers deserve to have Zay Flowers.
77:38I hope he gets out there. He's such a great player.
77:41So we have A.J. Brown going on IR. We have Stribling probably headed to IR, sounds like.
77:47Yep. Right? Yep. What are the other injuries that we know?
77:50Zay Flowers, we don't know. Lad McConkie, we don't know.
77:53Man, I got a lot of these players. Yeah.
77:56Well, a lot of teams. All right. Thanks, everybody, for watching and listening.
78:00We will talk to you... I thought we were going 90 minutes.
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