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0:17We are going beyond the box score today on Monday, November 2nd.
0:20We'll recap Washington's 17-point win over Philadelphia to vault them back into contention in the NFC East.
0:25And to lower the Eagles still into contention in the NFC East.
0:29We will give you some news updates here. Brees Hall status for Week 9 and whether he'll be on the Jets.
0:35Quarterback changes or the potential quarterback changes and what they could mean for fantasy.
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0:48Whatever is holding you back, HIMS has a real plan for it.
0:51Be confident and be HIM. What's their plan for Amari and Hampton teams?
0:55Oh, there's not enough HIMS in the world for Amari and Hampton teams.
0:59I probably was really mad that I only had Hampton in one league when the season started.
1:04It was probably a big regret of mine. But again, I'm so thankful that I only have Hampton in one league.
1:10Same happened for me. I was very regretful of it at the time.
1:13I only got him in the one league where he didn't get bid up on in the auction.
1:18And now I'm thankful even though that team is a disgusting potentially 0-8 after tonight.
1:23I've never had a team this bad. Amazing. 0-8?
1:25Did you say 0-8? It's about to be. Wow, I've never had an 0-8.
1:29I had an 0-6 this year. I don't think I have either.
1:33That was the worst I've ever had. Wow. By the way, Dan, I love your courage.
1:37When my team loses, I don't want to see their logo for a while.
1:41Yeah. Well, courage is one word for it. Laziness is probably the more apt word for it.
1:46It's just one of the clean shirts left before I got to do a laundry run.
1:51But I will say this. Wisconsin embarrassed themselves on Saturday against Iowa.
1:54And I'm really nervous to go see Emma this week, our producer on Beyond the Box Score, because she sent me a couple messages.
2:01She's an Iowa fan and I was kind of talking a little trash.
2:05And I'm about to get hit hard by Emma on Tuesday and Thursday.
2:08And I mean hard. I love it. All right.
2:11Washington 27, Philadelphia 10. Eagles jumped out to a 10-0 lead in this game.
2:15We had a, you know, you got, I guess, enough from Barkley to be an RB2, I'm thinking.
2:2012.4 fantasy points. He scored a touchdown and he has played 32% of the snaps.
2:24This last night, 32% of snaps, 15% of the snaps the week before.
2:28He's just not healthy. They get the Giants this week and then a bye.
2:32So I think we're just hoping he can get healthy during that bye week.
2:36But I'll give you the Eagles, Dan. I'll give Jacob the commanders.
2:39And we'll start with Jacob. The commanders to me are more interesting.
2:43Let's look at the commanders here. Yeah. And Jacob, your thoughts on the commanders.
2:47So I really like Antonio Williams, their rookie. I think a lot of people were hoping for a breakthrough game for Chico
2:53Conco and he made some awesome catches. But not much in the box score for him.
2:58The rookie led the team in routes run and targets in this game without Terry McLaurin.
3:02I think he's really fun. Um, I think Stefan digs for as long as the team is competitive is someone you can go to for PPR formats.
3:10He's been, um, again, productive on a per route basis, just like he was last year.
3:15So when he's out there, he's producing and Jay Daniels, I think is playing well enough for them to have some production.
3:21Um, in games where he doesn't get super heated up where the offensive line isn't a problem.
3:26So I'm focused mostly on those two for fantasy trail and Burks can make plays down the field.
3:31Um, or shot wide gun the end zone, but it was a gross three way split in the backfield.
3:36Um, before the end of the game there with white.
3:39So I don't know if you can really trust any of them.
3:42So I think Williams is fun and could break through here as the season moves along.
3:47I was happy to see him not just stuck on the outside doing Terry McLaurin stuff.
3:52They moved him around. They got him some, some targets as the priest, that motion, man, I think he had a 36% slot rate.
3:58Um, and he was targeted five times out of the slot.
4:02All five of his receptions were, um, catches that came from the slot.
4:05Um, I think he can went on the outside, but it was good to see him move around.
4:10As far as Rashad white goes, I think we just have to keep an eye on Jeremy Mcnichols.
4:16Cause he left with a foot injury. If Mcnichols who had the goal line role, I'll be at, you know, as I'm
4:22like one player or something, two weeks ago or two games ago.
4:25Uh, he was out late in the game. Rashad white had that long run.
4:29He had three carries for 37 yards and a touchdown.
4:32Rashad white on the last drive of the game.
4:35He had a one yard touchdown run, but if Mcnichols is out, I think it would probably help white a little bit.
4:41And there's two more games before score across America come back.
4:44They have a tough matchup this week with the Rams coming to town, but we'll keep an eye on that injury.
4:50And, uh, okay. Stefan digs. Yeah. He's not, he's not getting a lot of yards, but he seems to catch a touchdown most weeks.
4:57So that's, that's good. Um, for the Eagles, Dan, what do you think about Philadelphia right now?
5:02I think we're probably more dead in the water than we even thought we'd be.
5:06I will say this Washington does. I mean, it's right.
5:09I mean, Washington does have a sneaky underrated defense in my mind, just because they play that floor as the cycle scheme.
5:15And it's so that to me is just the way the NFL is going to move and it makes it difficult for the quarterback.
5:22But at this point with Tanner McKee, he's borderline unplayable in my mind.
5:26He did end up finding his way to 200 yards passing, which, you know, provided like, you know, somewhat of a floor
5:32for guys like lemon, I guess, in PPR leagues.
5:35Moving forward, you can kind of play a lemon type.
5:37You can kind of play a Goddard, but I wouldn't really, the touchdowns will be limited and low.
5:43Look, we had zero last night. Um, I just wonder if they're going to make any kind of move at the quarterback position.
5:49It feels like, no, I talked about this last week with Jacob.
5:53They have the kid. They drafted it right from the fifth round.
5:56Um, who's their number two Milton is there three.
5:58A lot of people say, let Joe Milton cook, but I don't think he's like, the plan is to even go to him next.
6:05Some people have said like, well, they trade for Brissette or whatever, but I don't think the Eagles are rolling in that direction.
6:12I think they're ready to kind of tank it down and get a good draft pick for their rebuild.
6:17So I think this is what we got from this point on when Smith gets healthy.
6:22I won't feel comfortable starting him at all. And I think he'll be super disappointing.
6:26Lemon to me is probably their best bet just based on the routes he runs, but I could be wrong on that when Smith returns.
6:33Oh yeah. It's going to be Smith over lemon.
6:36Maybe. I mean, Smith had one game with Tanner McKee and you know, he had a lot of fun.
6:41He had a big catch in that game, but he ended up one big cat.
6:46Yeah. Really good. Seven for 74. I trust it.
6:48Well, he caught a touchdown in the game. Not that I trust it or anything, but you know, he, he was, he was good in that game.
6:56He's better than McKay lemon. Uh, he's still for 210 to 215 yards in all three games.
7:01But I have, there was a kind of like game script dependent, right?
7:04I mean, I mean, he'll probably have that. Yeah.
7:07He'll probably have that though. That's a good point.
7:10Like he's going to be playing in catch up mode a lot.
7:13Yeah. And he's, so he's averaging more yards per game than Jalen hurts.
7:17Remember I talked about this, uh, when the job is like, it did the math.
7:21If he throws this many times per game, then he'll have more yards and Jalen hurts and this and that.
7:27And it's happening. Not to say he can't throw for, you know, 80 yards next week and be bad, but again, I
7:33know, not, you know, the giants are not that bad of a matchup.
7:37They do have some good matchups left on the schedule.
7:39The giants, then a buy, then Pittsburgh. Giants are not a good matchup.
7:43I know that everybody keeps saying they are, they're not, but the fantasy points suggest they are, you know, the court is there a bet.
7:50Yeah, I know. But like the defense has not allowed a 200 yard passer this year.
7:55Yeah, that is true. Um, so maybe the run defenses is bad, but what about the past defense?
8:00Past defense? I mean, they haven't allowed a 200 yard passer.
8:03CJ Stroud came into that. We caught as heck did nothing.
8:06So look, you got to stretch at Dallas, Arizona and Indianapolis.
8:09Indianapolis. Other than that, it's not that great for Philadelphia.
8:12Yeah. Barkley, however, looks amazing. I mean, I know what happened with you and he's bet.
8:17Is that just like defaulted to zero at this point?
8:20It's still on. It's very, there was no quarterback stipulations.
8:23There should have been. This, this bet should be, you may come back to win that thing.
8:27Dullen Boyd. Dullen Boyd. We have, what's his name?
8:30John Pagano. If we have to go another week at John Pagano, is that his name?
8:34I don't even remember or care. Not his name.
8:37What's his name? Joey Fagnano or Joe. Yeah. That, I don't, I, who knows what's going to happen.
8:42There, I don't think Joey Fagnano can play another snap of a ball.
8:46Chuck Pagano playing quarterback. Yeah. He's going to play.
8:48He's going to start this week. He's playing Thursday.
8:51I mean, I don't know if he's, oh, but what if they just, I mean, Baker Mayfield came a few years ago
8:57to the Rams on, on three days rest or three days notice and started.
9:01I just wonder what they'll do there. He also got a little banged up in the game.
9:06Fagnano. He hurt his knee. Yeah. He was getting beat up.
9:09Yeah. Justice Hill apparently was their emergency quarterback. Maybe it'll be him.
9:13All right. That's a third. He's not him. He's not him.
9:16I'll tell you. He's not him. He's not our him of the week.
9:20Monday night football recap for you there. Now, listen, got a couple of things to tell you about.
9:25We've got an AMA ask me anything on the bleacher report app tomorrow at 11 a.m.
9:29Eastern. This is very cool. We're super excited for this.
9:32If you have the bleacher report app, turn your fantasy alerts on at 11 a.m.
9:36Me, Dave and Jamie are going to be answering your questions.
9:40Cool. And that's pretty cool. So it's going to be your, mostly your waiver wire questions, but that's fun.
9:45And of course, a full week of beyond the box score with the usage, with the buy lows and the sell highs
9:51and all the things you've come to expect from beyond the box score.
9:55Now it is time for he's him sponsored by him.
9:58There's the guy you are right now. And there's the guy you could be.
10:02Whatever's holding you back. Him's has a real plan for it.
10:05Be confident. Be him. Dan, Tony Pollard has been him two straight weeks.
10:09Jacob, you're not in your head. What do you want here?
10:12You got lucky Irving is him. Okay, that's fair.
10:14I'll give you a historic game. They literally just ran the ball every play and they couldn't stop it.
10:20126 yards after contact for Bucky Irving in this game.
10:23That's his second game this year with over 120 yards after contact last year.
10:27Only two guys had multiple games like that. B.
10:29John Robinson and Jonathan Taylor this year. B. John Robinson is the only other guy who has a game like that.
10:35Not Kenneth Walker, Jameer Gibbs, just B. John Robinson.
10:38And Bucky Irving with 120 or more yards after contact in a game.
10:41In two different games. He's so good, man. That's fair.
10:44He's a better him than Pollard. I think that's...
10:47And what's crazy about that is he was able to do it despite everyone on that defensive side of the ball understanding
10:53the Bucks weren't even going to pass the ball.
10:56It was wild. They were like at a pistol and running the football.
10:59Maybe kudos to this Bucks offensive line as well if we're going to give out a second him's award.
11:05But yeah, Bucky takes the cake and he's kind of emerging as these late hero for fantasy football in the post-apocalyptic world
11:11that we're in where there's so many injuries. At this point, he's one of the most reliable 20 players every week.
11:1715, 20 players. Faced a stack box on 13 of his 27 rush attempts.
11:21There you go. One of the highest rates of any running back game this year.
11:25Wow. I wonder if the conditions maybe helped him though.
11:28I mean, might not be easy to tackle in those conditions, but...
11:32Well, B. John didn't do anything really. 76 yards.
11:34Yeah. I mean, they didn't have the ball that much.
11:37I think it's worth noting that just because, you know...
11:40This is a week where Dan is getting what's coming to him.
11:43Okay? You got the Wisconsin story from earlier where he's just talking ass about...
11:47What else is coming to me? You know, you run your mouth about your team in the auction league that I invited you in.
11:54You named the anti-Ager. I did finally have a bad week.
11:57You're six and one, this and that. You played me, the sad sack three and four team.
12:02I whooped your ass. Unless you get 56 points, 47 points tonight from Luther Burden in half PPR, you're going to six and two.
12:09I'm going to 500 on the strength of Bucky Irving and Josh Jacobs.
12:13I finally got my running back tandem. I didn't even get a good game.
12:17I got a zero from Omar Cooper. I got a zero from Omar Cooper and I whooped you.
12:22Whooped you. I got four guys on by. I'll be back.
12:25I mean... You started panics. I know. That was a mistake.
12:28If I knew about that weather, it would have never happened.
12:31But you know what? I did get what's coming to me and I do deserve that.
12:36I've talked a lot of crap. And you got to eat that crap sometimes when you talk a lot of crap.
12:42All right. Well, that was He's Him. Sponsored by HIMS.
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12:51Email today is from Scott Vecchino, I think it's pronounced, but he said, but it's pronounced A-chan as a joke.
12:57Yeah. Yeah. And Scott says, Stats from overtime should not count in fantasy.
13:01Why should players get extra minutes to accrue fantasy points?
13:03I know people are going to be immediately dismissive as they are to any Acer League rule suggested.
13:09But seriously, why should overtime fantasy points count? Back in the day, it was probably too difficult to manually exclude points, but
13:15easy today to have a setting to just exclude overtime stats.
13:18I'd love to get Dan's take on it. I put this in here just so Dan could say, I got a lot to say about this.
13:25I don't have that much to say about this one, unfortunately, for podcasting sake.
13:29I don't really, I don't think it's a good idea.
13:32It's a terrible idea. I've never really had it presented to me and I'm like confused why, like, I guess because it's
13:39unfair that they get extra time in the game.
13:41I don't know. I don't like this one at all.
13:44You set your line up based on what you expect to happen for four quarters.
13:48So I guess I could, I could get the, I mean, that's like saying if I bet the under in a game
13:54and it goes to overtime, I should get, it should be fine.
13:58I 100% think that bets should not have overtime, should not have overtime.
14:02100%. I think it's garbage. Crazy. That's why I don't, I would never want to bet unders.
14:06Stupid overtime, especially college football. How many times can they score?
14:10You know, if it's Miami, it just giving up a touchdown, every possession, then getting a touchdown or back every possession.
14:16Jacob, what do you think? Uh, overtime stats, yay or nay?
14:19Um, it's, I'm looking up the overtime fantasy point numbers and it's very minimal.
14:23Like last year, Puka Nakua led the league with 17 fantasy points in overtime.
14:27Jamir Gibbs had 13. Hmm. This year, nobody has more than nine total overtime points and it's no offense.
14:32I don't know. Really? Burrow brought a big overtime.
14:35Burrow has nine as well. Yeah. All right. Well, bad email, Mr.
14:38A-chan. The notes, Lamar Jackson could be out for the season.
14:41Tyler Huntley is going to miss multiple weeks and Joe Fagnano will likely start this week.
14:46But again, he did tweak his, so we'll see what happens.
14:49Gardner Minshew replaced Jacoby Brissett. Kyler Murray did have hamstring tightness in this game.
14:53He's got a great matchup coming up against Buffalo.
14:56Nothing's a great matchup for Kyler. Apparently not. Although actually he, he put together a good fantasy game.
15:01I know he found a way, but. And Anthony Richardson replaced Daniel Jones.
15:04And we're going to talk about quarterbacks. Yeah. I, I want it to, I guess it's not going to be, but I want it to be Riley Leonard.
15:12Oh, why? For the sake of, oh, because the cops are coming for Riley Leonard, apparently.
15:17Um, for the sake of the pass catchers. I mean, Anthony Richardson is, I said this once about Jacoby Brissett like years
15:23ago, but Anthony Richardson is fantasy poison. He's terrible for pass catchers.
15:27He just runs all the time and doesn't throw touchdowns.
15:29Um, yeah. Well, we'll see. Um, Jeremiah love left with the ankles on of a night left with a head injury.
15:35Travis H and his status is unclear for this week coming off the by he's eligible to return.
15:41But the fact that they haven't opened up his practice window isn't to me a great sign.
15:45We'll see if they do it early this week.
15:48They got a great matchup against Cleveland. One of the worst run defenses in football.
15:52We don't have any major updates on David Montgomery coming off their by.
15:56So I'm thinking right now, probably not going to play.
15:59That's as of right now. Uh, the jets are going to keep Brees Hall and he is expected to play in week
16:05nine at Kansas city against a really tough run defense.
16:08Uh, wide receiver. I didn't see anything on DJ more.
16:11He limped off late in the game there at Minnesota this week.
16:14He didn't play all that much. He, well, he ran most of the routes.
16:18He didn't play a ton of snaps, play about two thirds of the snaps.
16:22DJ more AJ Brown status is unclear for green Bay this week.
16:26Jordan Tyson status is unclear for the, for their game against the Packers against the Browns this week.
16:31I didn't mean to say AJ Brown is on the Packers.
16:34I mean, he's playing the Packers and Michael Wilson.
16:36I mean like this guy's playing with broken ribs and now Kendrick Bourne has an ankle injury that might keep him out.
16:43So Michael Wilson, you know, even if he didn't have broken ribs, Scott at Seattle, then the Rams, then the chiefs coming up.
16:49Yikes. That's a bad Wilson stretch. Yeah. Jake Ferguson, ankle, Hunter Henry.
16:53We forgot what the injury was. Foot. I think he library and season maybe and blah, blah, blah.
16:58Great. Great stuff. We'll take a break. Come back with some snap counts, some stats, some usage and four big topics after this.
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17:26Terms and conditions apply. All right, Jacob, I'm going to throw it over to you for some stats, however you want to approach it.
17:33Okay. So, um, I watched the Jets game. I was really curious, like, so it was a massive game from 80 Mitchell.
17:39He had the third highest catchable air yardage number of any receiver in any game this year.
17:44Uh, the only other games that were higher was like Chris Halave's massive week one, Devonta Adams crazy week two, and then 80 Mitchell three.
17:51And then obviously Garrett Wilson had a ton of targets in this game to 12 targets funneled his way.
17:57So I think we got this week. He will narrative come through here.
18:0039% target share. Omar Cooper Jr. has zero. Um, and so obviously that's frustrating.
18:04For a lot of people who had picked him up and gone to him here.
18:09Um, the playing time didn't change at all. He had 26 routes.
18:12He just didn't get targeted. Um, I actually thought he played really well in this game.
18:17Uh, especially early in the game. Like he was getting open consistently.
18:20Um, I think he'll have a good game against the chiefs next week.
18:24If I had to guess, just thinking about Mitchell, Omar Cooper jr, Omar Cooper.
18:28Okay. I'm sorry. Okay, go ahead. Um, just thinking about the way that that matchup lines up.
18:33I think they're a lot easier to attack through the slot.
18:36Um, so yeah, I, he's still his first in fantasy points per snap among wide receivers this year, which is hilarious after
18:42a cardio day, but like, that's how good it had been.
18:45And I really do think he looked electric on film.
18:48So I would not react to this at all, even though I know it's frustrating.
18:52Um, this is, I mean, it's the jets and this is kind of my problem with Gary Wilson and all of them
18:59is like, they have like six or seven skill position players that are actually legitimately good.
19:03They have two tight ends. They have three receivers.
19:06They have two running backs. Um, so there's going to be weeks like this.
19:10I don't really know where, how you'll be able to predict it, but I think that he's a good player.
19:15Uh, where do you think 80 Mitchell ranks in fantasy points per snap?
19:19I said Omar Cooper jr. Was one on the year four, four is exactly right.
19:23Omar Cooper jr. Devonta Smith better than McKay lemon for my money.
19:27Uh, Mike Evans, Mike Evans, third 80 Mitchell, fourth.
19:29Um, speaking of Eli Raridon season, Dan mentioned that, um, with Hunter Henry injury, 93% snap rate for Raridon in this game.
19:36Dan 83% snap rate for Kyle Williams. Oh yes.
19:38First time we've really ever seen that all it took was 16 and a receiver injuries.
19:43Um, 83% snapper for Williams, 88% for Efton Chisholm.
19:45Williams gets one target. It's a touchdown 43 yards.
19:48Uh, I thought he was open a decent amount.
19:50I went back and watched every drop back in this game.
19:54There are only 20 past attempts from Drake may.
19:56Um, he, it was a weird game, man. I don't know if he was like not trusting the progressions, not trusting Kyle
20:02Williams, what it was that, uh, he got pressured on 54% of his drop X.
20:07Miami did some funky stuff at the line. Um, but they only ended up with a 12% blitz rate in this game.
20:13So to get a 54% pressure rate on a 12% blitz rate is unacceptable.
20:17Um, so that has me a little bit concerned, right?
20:20We were worried about the Patriots offensive line and now they're down receivers too.
20:24Um, like that call. Tyler Warren had 18 yards on 10 targets this week.
20:28Uh, I watched that entire game for the show.
20:30My God. You watched that entire game? For the show.
20:33Yeah. I wanted to see the Jags stuff that we're going to talk about.
20:37And then I was just watching the Colts cause it was part of it.
20:41All right. Uh, Daniel Jones. God, was it bad?
20:44It was so bad. So Warren's average depth of target on his catches this year is 2.5 yards past the line of scrimmage.
20:50Uh, his average depth of target on incompletions is 9.3 yards.
20:53So basically what I'm saying is it's not working unless it's a really short target.
20:58I think he has five catches of more than 10 or 10 plus air yards.
21:02Hmm. It's basically just been short stuff, which is a little bit disappointing for somebody who's as talented as he is.
21:08Somebody who does get a lot of downfield looks is Matthew Golden.
21:11He leads the NFL with 1100 and 65 air yards and nine drops.
21:151165 air yards for Matthew Golden. Next is Michael Wilson at 921.
21:19Wow. It's not even close. So I don't remember there being this big of a gap.
21:23Um, he's really interesting. I've got some more golden stuff for you later when we talk about Parker Washington.
21:29Some interesting comparisons there. Okay. I've got some Ashton Jinty stats that I think are fun.
21:33Ashton Jinty has run. It can't be that fun.
21:36Ashton Jinty has run 176 routes. Justin Jefferson has run 156 routes.
21:39So 20 fewer, but in the same ballpark. Who has more fantasy points scored as a pass catcher?
21:44Obviously Jinty based on how you set that up.
21:47Yeah. Well, see, this is, I play the who has, who has more game every Tuesday.
21:51And I like to set people up just like that to make them think.
21:55I'm going to say, um, I know. I'm going to say Jinty.
21:59I'm going to say Jinty. Dan's played this game with me enough to know.
22:03I know both of your versions of this game.
22:05I've lived through them both. And I know the way Jacob plays it.
22:09So it's Jinty, right? Look at, I'm sorry. I, I, you inspired me to go back and watch Tyler Warren's targets, which I'm doing right now.
22:16And this interception by Daniel Jones. Like, oh my God, what a bad pass.
22:20He's so bad at football. So underthrown. It's incredible.
22:23Now the first interception was Tyler Warren's fault, but that one was really bad.
22:27Okay. Uh, yes. Jinty keep going. Jinty has more fantasy points scored as a pass catcher than Justin Jefferson.
22:32Wow. He has 20 more routes around them to be fair.
22:36Uh, some players who have significantly more routes than Jinty.
22:38Jinty has 176. Sam Laporta has 226. Tucker craft is 235.
22:42Denzel Boston has 288. And Jinty has more than all of them on 176.
22:46Parker Washington has scored 1.6 more PPR points than Jinty as a receiver this year.
22:50Wow. Wow. What? And this is what I just, I really don't want to see Mendoza in there.
22:55Like I, you know, for his sake I do.
22:58And I, I'm excited about him as a player, but at least I kind of know what I'm getting.
23:03And you know, I, I don't want any, I don't want any changes for Brock Bowers.
23:07This is amazing. Agreed. Yeah. I think the Mendoza change would be really, would be consistent.
23:12I don't want to say would be. I said, I should say could be really bad for Bowers.
23:17That's my take. And I'm standing by it. I've stood by it the whole time.
23:21Even just listening to the post game when Kirk was like, it's kind of like when I was in Minnesota and when
23:28Jefferson is not open, throw it to him. Anyway, that mindset, I'm not sold.
23:32Mendoza will have, but I know Kirk has it.
23:34Yeah, that's right. And maybe he will, but like it cannot get any better than this.
23:39So why would I want to change for Brock Bowers sake?
23:42It was only four targets for Gentty yesterday. Jacob has the second lowest of the, of the season for him.
23:48For what people are, um, people are saying that Parker Washington is overhyped.
23:51I'm curious where you guys are at on that.
23:54Well, we have a segment on that for later, right?
23:57Or no, it's a big topic. Spoiler alert. I mean, maybe for fan.
24:01First of all, though overhyped, like he was a seventh round pick basically that I think we had to convince that I
24:07had to be convinced because he had six good games in his three year career, basically.
24:11So now he has wildly exceeded his, his expectations, maybe overhyped from a few weeks ago, but he's freaking great.
24:17I mean, you see some of the play. If you could find a reel of the four touchdowns that he has caught,
24:23they are all like a pretty high degree of difficulty.
24:26Yeah, it's not overhyped. Now for fantasy, it's another question because this team's just blowing everyone out, but we'll get to that.
24:32But hell no, he's not overhyped. He's really good.
24:35I did not realize how good he was. He's awesome.
24:38Jameson Williams has four red zone touchdowns over the past three games.
24:41He had two career red zone touchdowns before that.
24:44That's awesome. He had a 42% first read target rate this week, which is the second highest of his career.
24:50He had a 43% game last year. I'm curious if you guys are buying this at all.
24:54Yeah, well, I think it's a change or it's just a three week five end zone targets in his last three games.
25:01I have a somewhat funny Jameson Williams story for you, but do I buy it?
25:05I mean, I basically feel like every week St.
25:08Brown's going to be good, which hasn't been the case, but I feel that way.
25:12And then every week, either Laporta or Jameson Williams would be good.
25:15And some weeks they're all going to be good.
25:18So yeah, I pretty much buy it. I don't think he's going to be great every week.
25:23It has come at the expense of Laporta though, right?
25:26I mean, Laporta over the last two weeks has four or seven total targets and four receptions and he has no touchdowns under 50 under 60 yards.
25:33He only actually has what 12 targets over his last three games averaging four targets a game.
25:38It has been there's been a significant change in my opinion in like the progression of this offense and where they're going with the football as of now.
25:46I just don't know that's going to change like Laporta is too good.
25:50And I think he's going to be good this week against the Dolphins.
25:53It could be matchup based. I have to watch a little bit more lines that kind of lock in on that.
25:59But to me, it looks like they're unlocking the passing game a little bit more vertically by going through Williams.
26:05Well, let me see what the a dot was.
26:08Yeah, it was I like two weeks ago for for JMO was 9.9 yards and I always say wanted to be lower.
26:14You always say yeah, you look at his career when he's better.
26:17He's not just this vertical guy, but this week it was 15 yards.
26:21Yeah, he had a deep ball. Anyway, I have to pick two starts and two sits every week for some for NFL play action.
26:28And I said sit Jamison Williams and you know, I haven't been doing that.
26:32Well, I said start Jalen Coker. I need Caleb to be bad tonight every week.
26:36Basically, I go like two and two but last week I think I did poorly.
26:41So I really wanted to come through this week.
26:43He caught that touchdown and I was I was alone in the house and I reacted like a six year old.
26:49I started I cursed so loud. I threw my I took up.
26:53I have to say this quietly because I don't want anyone my wife to hear but I like threw a pillow onto the floor over.
27:00I like slammed that's like bleep bleep bleep. I went crazy.
27:03I was so mad because it's just like you play this stupid game of fantasy football.
27:07I was an hour looking at film and old games and Vikings tape and Lions tape and yeah stats and trying to
27:14figure out what was going to happen with Jamison Williams.
27:16And he was basically a sit until he's standing wide open in the back of the end.
27:21Right. It's like what are you supposed to do about that is so like I always say the touchdowns are worth so
27:28much more than people realize in fantasy football. And I will say this.
27:31I don't really know why you need to get quiet there.
27:34So your wife went here that you threw a pillow on the ground like what the heck man like that's that's faux pas bad.
27:41It was bad. I went crazy. Um, but by the way is he close to his career high.
27:46He's he's getting close to a career high at touchdowns.
27:49He's had seven each of the last two years and he already has five.
27:53Yep. Touchdowns are worth a lot. Dan, you're right.
27:56And Matthew golden is a man who has had plenty of those go through his hands, but he redeemed himself on Thursday night.
28:02Um, he has three straight games with 12 or more targets.
28:06He's so good. Uh, he has five of those games on the year.
28:09Last year, Jackson Smith and jig bud, Jamar chase in a monitor.
28:13St. Brown led the NFL with six games with 12 or more targets.
28:16Already has five. It's just a completely different Packers than we've ever seen.
28:20It's the perfect storm. Maybe their defense will get better.
28:23Maybe they'll lean to the run more. Maybe at the end of the year, they'll be playing in bad weather.
28:29I don't know. But like right now they can't run the ball.
28:32And so they're dropping back like crazy. Both games since Josh Jacobs has been back, their pass rate of our expectation has remained very high.
28:39And it's super focused on golden. And occasionally Christian Watson goes to the hospital during the game and it gets even more focused on golden.
28:46Guess, guess where they are in points per game allowed Packers.
28:49Packers. Mm hmm. Middle of the pack. I don't know.
28:52They're 10th. Yeah. So it's not even like they're, you know, just throwing because they have a terrible defense.
28:58They're 10th. No, they're throwing because they, they have to, to move the ball.
29:02And what's interesting to me is they are throwing.
29:04I would, I don't know if I have this stat on, maybe Jacob, you have this in front of you.
29:10If not, no worries, but like, it feels to me like they must be up top of the NFL and air yards too.
29:17Cause they're taking vertical shots to open up other aspects of the offense.
29:20And it's just really cool for me to see like a quarterback.
29:24Who's just this, in my opinion, one of the better vertical throwers in the NFL watching Jordan love from a timing standpoint,
29:30from an anticipation standpoint, from the ability to just kind of flick from any platform.
29:34And I think it's cool that he keeps going back to gold in spite of the drops.
29:39It kind of proves it. Like the drops are most, in my opinion, one of the more overrated things by fans as
29:45well, because again, the year Tyreek Hill led the NFL in receiving, he also led the NFL in drops.
29:51Does anyone, did the dolphins care? No, but he was doing so much good to outweigh it.
29:56He basically going into this week, going into the Thursday night game where he had at least one drop to two drops.
30:02He had more drops in the first seven weeks of the season than any player, at least any wide receiver.
30:08Right. And then it didn't matter though. It didn't matter.
30:10It didn't matter. He keeps going back to him love.
30:13Cause he knows he'll make a big play on the next one where a lot of these guys won't even get open to get the drop.
30:21That's the thing. Like I'd rather the guy who can get separation.
30:24Who'd you rather have golden or Watson rest of season?
30:27That's a great question. I spent a bunch of time with this last week.
30:31I do a rest of season rankings updates every Wednesday on beyond the box score.
30:35I landed on Watson over golden. But golden just keeps creeping up into that range.
30:40The golden stuff. He's pretty much like Chris Alave on paper.
30:43Except he's just not as good as a lava, but the quarterback play is better.
30:47So there's the, there's really the potential for him to push that high.
30:51I just think that what Watson does is generally speaking easier to convert on.
30:55Whereas like golden, it has to be, you have to thread the needle of like offensive line play, love finding him in
31:01rhythm and on time and catching the ball on these deep targets.
31:04Okay. I'm with him on that. Anything. So yeah, Gardner Minshew did his best Jordan love impression this week.
31:10Um, really like impressive stuff there. We're going to talk about the quarterback changes there, but he, he was lights out throwing down the field to Michael Wilson.
31:18And this is a team that definitely does have to throw a ton out of necessity because the defense since the start
31:24of last season, only three players have more than two games with 15 or more targets.
31:29So last year and this year, 15 or more targets.
31:31Puka has four of those games. Jamar chase has five of those games.
31:35Michael Wilson has five of those games. And they are the worst defensive team in football.
31:40They give up the most points per game, Arizona, and they have the most pass attempts in the end.
31:45And are they going to Minshew and Michael, I would think so.
31:49It's that report that it was expected. I would have to think so.
31:52Right. Like they came back and won that game.
31:55They literally were playing behind the entire game and then came back and won at the end all along the back of Gardner Minshew.
32:02It was, it was terrific. And, uh, well, what was I going to say?
32:06Um, yeah, no, for him, like same, same horrible schedule, right?
32:09At Seattle, then the Rams, then at Kansas city.
32:11Then it's, it's pretty good after that, but the next three weeks could be tough.
32:16He's a guy who got benched. I think twice the last time he was a starter.
32:20It's when maybe that was 2023. I think it was 2024 for Gardner Minshew.
32:24He got benched at least twice. Got benched for Aiden O'Connell.
32:27And the problem with the Minshew thing is it's like, I feel like our experience is the same every time he's hot at first.
32:34And then he just settles in and it's terrible.
32:37Yeah. I think it was Adam rank, uh, you know, NFL, NFL network fantasy analyst.
32:41I pretty sure it was him who said he's like the McRib.
32:44He's, he's not around for long, but he's a great, whatever.
32:48He's like great short spurts or something like that.
32:50But yeah, I, it was also like the comeback mode to hurry up.
32:54No, no, no. Right. This is the Cowboys bump, man.
32:57The Cowboys are horrible. If you watch the throws though, like they were really good throws.
33:01They're also going to say that at least it doesn't feel like it's going to be a huge drop off from what we've had.
33:08Oh, for sure. From Brissette. You're right about that until they go to back.
33:12Then I'm not like, Oh, Minshew here. We're through the roof.
33:15Michael Wilson, top 10 receiver. I'm just like, well, that was wild and impressive and maybe it'll keep being okay.
33:21I'm with you on that. And I hope they don't go to back anytime soon.
33:25Uh, anything else? I've got running back stuff. I have three running back, like movers.
33:29I did my rest of season rankings already for this and next week.
33:33And like, we could talk about it after the break.
33:36Maybe they could fit into the overachievers section of today's show, or we can just do it now.
33:41Oh yeah. Go for it. Okay. So the first thing, um, before that is just Bucky Irving.
33:46I wanted to mention at 19 of 25 running back rushes in the first half and he had a 72% snap rate in the first half.
33:53I think that they went to gain one more because like, what are you going to do?
33:58Give Bucky the ball 40 times. Um, he had 19 touches in the first half.
34:03Yeah. I think in a normal game where they complete a pass, it won't be a, an even split.
34:08I think it literally just kind of had to be so that Bucky was still able to play going forward.
34:14Um, but yeah, the last two games, it's clearly been like 70 ish percent.
34:18Bucky gain was running well and has probably earned a bit of a bigger role, but Bucky, I think is clearly the lead back.
34:25I don't think it's a split. It's a split.
34:27Similarly to, and this is one of the three movers I want to talk about.
34:31He keeps going up my rankings by show to, and I moved him ahead of Derek Henry this week.
34:37Um, we'll talk about some other guys, 66% snap rate, um, before the game got out of hand 13 of 15 running
34:43back rushes before the game got out of hand.
34:46So I definitely think it was like he out of the by is the lead back.
34:50Um, he's averaging 19 touches and 108 scrimmage yards over his past four games.
34:54He's sick. Yeah. Uh, there've been moments where like Rodriguez is getting in there more the game before the by, but I
35:00think it's pretty clear that tune is the lead back here.
35:04I keep thinking about the discussion we had a few weeks ago about tootin versus Bucky Irving and, uh, they both look, the answer's just yes.
35:11Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The answer's not. Yeah. The answer's tootin.
35:14Yeah. Um, there are seven running backs averaging at least 60 yards after contact per game.
35:19Bucky is one of them. Tootin is one of them as well.
35:22I just wanted to show you this, like they're both playing awesome.
35:26Obviously Jalen Warren on this list playing awesome. Then the other guys are exactly who you'd expect.
35:30Um, what I wanted to point out here is next to this rush yards after contact column is rush yards before contact.
35:37Tootin's averaging 10 yards before contact. I still think that there's meat left on the bone here.
35:42Like obviously the touchdowns had been called back, but also the, the run blocking has been really bad.
35:47There were, there was one play in this game where he like sprung the long touchdown, which he did run over guys
35:53to on his way to the end zone. And it wasn't just like run through an open hole for 40 yards for
35:59a touchdown, but it was just like one play where finally there was a little bit blocked and it's like, Oh, there's a 40 yard play.
36:07Like there's just been like none of that this year.
36:09And I really think I know Jacksonville doesn't have a ton of talent on the line, but if this can be just
36:16like a middle of the pack run scheme, blocking set up here for Tootin, I think it could be even better.
36:22I mean, for most of this year has been averaging under four yards per carry.
36:26Yeah. And I don't, they lost their left tackle for the year and they just lost Ezra, Ezra Cleveland.
36:31I don't know their right guard. I don't know the extent of that, but it was Cleveland left with an injury.
36:37I know what you're saying. And I, and I do want to say, I just, sorry.
36:42Um, we have like 15 minutes left and we have all these topics to get to.
36:47Um, but I did want to say that their left tackle, they had the highest pressure rate of the year, uh, on,
36:53on Trevor Lawrence, like Jaguars offensive line had its worst performance last year.
36:57But their left tackle was not a problem. He was great.
37:00I don't think he gave up pressure all game.
37:02It's Walker little, it's an experienced guy. Um, so, uh, I don't know what that was all about, but yeah, like even
37:09though they, they destroyed the Colts, like they actually had, he was under pressure almost 50%, like 45% of the time.
37:15Uh, so, you know, I, I think they have, I think if you're going to go with Bucky over tootin, the argument
37:21is the bucks seem to have a better offensive line than the Jaguars, but whatever.
37:25They're both awesome. All right. I didn't mean to hurry you there.
37:28I totally blanked that we had to get out of here early.
37:32The other guys are Braylon Allen and, um, Jonah Coleman.
37:35We can just talk about them on the Tuesday beyond the box score show.
37:39Yeah. I think I'd rather have Jonah Coleman is unless the jets trade Brees Hall.
37:43I do not know what's going to happen there, but I feel like my run of starting Braylon Allen is probably over, you know, what a run.
37:51I think so too. Yeah. Well, we'll see how that plays out.
37:54I, he might just be a better fit for this team right now, but he's also, he has had such a cupcake
38:00schedule and it is about to get so much harder for the jets run game.
38:05As soon as Braylon Allen comes back. Sorry, Braylon Allen.
38:08Um, a couple of snap count things. Uh, I said DJ Moore played ran eight, 90% of the routes.
38:13Ryan Flannoy ran more routes than George Pickens. I don't know if that was because two weeks in a row.
38:19Now he's, he didn't run more routes the previous week.
38:22He just, Oh, sorry. He just played more snaps.
38:24Gotcha. Pickens. This is by far a season low 65% of the snaps or routes for Pickens.
38:29And he does have this shoulder injury. That could be it, but you know, it's not great right now for him.
38:35Um, Trey Tucker had a terrible game, zero fantasy points.
38:38I believe he ran 63% of the routes, which is really low for him.
38:42It's usually over 80%. He still only had a 6% target per route run rate.
38:46And he played more in the slot, played 35.5% in the slot.
38:49Trey Tucker, that was a season high, but I didn't realize he just wasn't on the field that much.
38:55Uh, Quinchon Judkins, not great trends here since Dylan Samson's come back.
38:58And even the week before that, he has not exceeded a 24% route participation rate in three consecutive games.
39:04Quinchon Judkins, Kamani Vidal played the most snaps of any charges running back.
39:07Keaton Mitchell played the most routes. Amari and Hampton made the most people angry.
39:11Lad McConkie ran 95%, 94% of the routes. We did see the average route depth come down.
39:16We did see the slot rate go up. All I think all those things are really good because they don't have time
39:23to throw downfield, but he had a super lucky 50 yard catch on the dumb hail Mary.
39:27Um, and, uh, and Rasheed Rice, you know, he had a good game.
39:31He nearly had two touchdowns. Still didn't think he looked that explosive, but he 3.4 yard, eight.
39:36That sounds like Rasheed Rice. Yeah. But we're back.
39:39The only thing I wanted to make was he only ran 61% of the routes.
39:43He had a 29.6 target per out run rate.
39:45So you got to figure as he gets healthier, he's usually running 80, 90% of the routes.
39:50You know, 61.4% is very low. All right. We got to take one more break and get to our big topics.
39:56We'll be right back on fantasy football today. Hi, I'm Tony DeCoppo.
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40:20Topic number one, what could the potential quarterback changes mean for fantasy for Baltimore, for Indianapolis and for Arizona?
40:25Uh, let's start with Baltimore. We all loves a flowers.
40:28We all loved Derek Henry. Do we consider Henry and flowers to be must start guys going forward?
40:33No. Henry. Good. I have Henry running back 15.
40:36So like that's the higher of the two. I have Zare.
40:39Yeah, that's still my start. Rest of season. Um, I guess I'm running back to.
40:43Yeah. I must start. I mean, if he had Tyler Huntley, I would consider him a borderline must start.
40:48He was pretty damn good with Huntley. He had one amazing game with Huntley.
40:52He had one like 12 point game. Then he had a game with about 14 and a half PPR fantasy points.
40:58Or if you remember, he had a 15 to 20 yard catch late in the game where they declined the cat.
41:04They took the penalty instead of the catch to save them time and gain more yards against Atlanta.
41:10So that's like a 16 point 17 point game typically.
41:12Um, so that's two of three games where he was pretty good with Tyler Huntley and Huntley's not out for the year.
41:19So that's, you know, I don't know when he'll be back and maybe they make a trade.
41:23We got a week to go before the trade.
41:26Right. But if it's Fignano, then it's going to be, it's going to be tough.
41:30I'm super worried about Henry. I mean, like I'm way more worried about flowers though than Henry.
41:35I pretty worried about both flowers to me is like, so like Henry, I guess I view the question differently.
41:41Must starts probably more of like RB one range.
41:43So I guess he's not that like matchup independent, but for me flowers is, is, is borderline like a kill you when
41:50he's in your lineup type play from this point on until they get something better at quarterback.
41:55Okay. For the Colts. How do you feel about, I mean, really it'd be just Tyler Warren, maybe Keenan Allen.
42:00Uh, yeah. Well, you mentioned it fast. Like if they go to Richardson, it's going to be bad news for, I guess
42:07everyone in that passing game based on his history.
42:09I'm not as sold on that to be completely honest.
42:12And you can call me maybe too much of a truth or I guess, but I just think the passing game can't
42:18get much worse than it looked to me on tape.
42:21I mean, it was all quick. The only completions they had were quick game.
42:25Every ball was thrown behind the receiver, a constantly low or behind the receiver, no room for yak.
42:30I just can't imagine it could get worse than Jones personally.
42:33So I think the same, if not better, if they make the change, Jones is averaging 192.8 passing yards per game.
42:39They are, that's fifth worst in the NFL, not for a player, but for a team.
42:44They are the fifth. And then the yards per attempt is even worse, right?
42:48The yards per attempt is, is horrible. Um, only, only Tanner McKee and Jacobi Bursette are averaging fewer yards per attempt than Daniel Jones.
42:55Right. Problem. Like, even though you'll get a better yards per attempt from Richardson, you're going to get fewer attempts.
43:00So in his last, right in 2024, Anthony Richardson made 10 healthy starts.
43:04I'm not saying he's going to do this. Maybe it'll be better.
43:08Maybe it'll be worse. I think, you know, you last week, you talked about the chiefs having a Taequann Thornton problem.
43:14I think the Colts have an Alec Pierce problem.
43:16They had do not have a single field stretcher.
43:19Nothing close. They have a Daniel Jones problem is what they have.
43:22They do. But Richardson, like Richardson was on pace for 2,963 passing yards, 14 touchdowns and 20 interceptions.
43:27Right. That is worse than Daniel Jones. That is, uh, that is 174 yards per game.
43:32Now it could be a boost for Jonathan Taylor though.
43:35Even though he'll get fewer receptions just could open up a little bit more in the run game.
43:40I think he's going to get traded. Okay. But, but it's yeah, it could be.
43:44I mean, we saw, so here's the thing. Cause I remember doing this research with Jonathan Taylor when I don't know, 2024, whatever 2025, probably.
43:51It is fewer catches, but it's also fewer goal line touchdowns.
43:54Cause right. Daniel Jones doesn't do any of that.
43:57And Richardson does. I don't, I don't want to say, I mean, I'm making it clear.
44:01I don't want to see Richardson. I'd rather see Leonard, but it seems like it's, I don't know why it would be Leonard at this point.
44:09It's probably going to be Richardson. They get Dallas and Miami their next two games.
44:13And I'm Houston. Houston's been a horrible defense. I mean, I have a hard time saying that out loud, but it's true.
44:19So their schedule gets good here. Um, Jacob, any thoughts on the Colts?
44:23No, nothing on the Colts. How about the Cardinals?
44:26You know, what, what do you think about McBride and Wilson?
44:29Right. And also the Kendrick Bourne injury is pretty, pretty important.
44:32I think for, for Michael Wilson, but, uh, you want, you want to see Gardner Minshew in there?
44:37It definitely helped this week. Um, Wilson looked like he was having another one of those games where at eight targets, 147
44:43air yards, but 34 receiving yards with Brissette. And then he scored 20 points with Minshew McBride at 16 points with Minshew
44:5065% of the targets went just to those two players with Minshew.
44:53So I don't know if he's actually a sustainable, like improvement, but it definitely was good to see it.
44:59So concentrated on those two players as we want for fantasy.
45:02Absolutely. And again, Michael Wilson, I'm pretty sure he had an end zone target in this game and he continues to, Oh
45:08no, he finally did catch an end zone target.
45:11Yeah. He's off the shot. He has 15 end zone targets and finally one touchdown.
45:15He had, did not have, how many do you have in this game?
45:18He had five end zone targets in this game and he caught one of them.
45:23So he was over 10. I guess he was probably over 14 before that last one is my guess.
45:28Uh, okay. All right. So that's, uh, that's the Arizona situation is definitely the best one.
45:33They have the worst defense. They have the most pass attempts in the NFL.
45:37So Minshew, I'm gonna have some tough choices in super flex this week for sure.
45:41Um, okay. Who are some players that you are actively trying to trade for, for the stretch run and through the playoffs?
45:47This is our second topic. Who are some players you're actively trying to trade for?
45:52Parker Washington. Ooh. Drake London, Omar Cooper jr. And Mike Evans.
45:55If you can like stash a player, if you're, if you don't really, really need points right now, you can just take that risk.
46:02I think that's a good, good list. I will add a few players to it.
46:06Just looking through the schedules. It's what I did before the show.
46:09I spent like an hour and a half just looking through all the schedules and using kind of a little bit, a few resources.
46:16Shout out to this, uh, fantasy Reddit actually fine.
46:19Try did a rest of season strength of schedule adjusted based on adjusted fantasy points allowed, which I think is very interesting.
46:25Um, and this kind of goes along with just, you know, parsing your way through the schedule.
46:30I want all Jaguars, all Jaguars. Go ahead. Look at their schedule.
46:33It is really pretty moving forward. Um, we've got Ravens, Titans, Giants, Titans, uh, just, just along the way.
46:39Texans is in there. I believe there's either one, there's one Texans left there and then Cowboys Washington in week 16, 17
46:45really almost as good as it gets in that stretch run of the fantasy playoffs.
46:49So tootin is a player that I still don't think has hit his ceiling.
46:53I still think you could buy high on him and it would be a good buy.
46:58Um, I'd even be willing to consider him as like a major part of package for some of the disappointing players we expect are better than him.
47:05If you can get like tootin and a startable receiver for a player.
47:09No, we're not going to like to hear it, but like tootin and a good receiver for Bijan Robinson.
47:15I don't hate it personally. I sounded the alarm on Robinson two weeks ago.
47:19Everyone laughed it off, boo-booed it. It's two straight bad weeks for Robinson.
47:22It just doesn't look like it did last year in the old blocking scheme.
47:26It doesn't look like it did with their line last year.
47:29And offensively speaking, it just doesn't feel the same to me there.
47:33Uh, maybe I'll be wrong about that. I think you're wrong.
47:36Yeah. It's been too bad. You said that two weeks ago though, and it's been too bad weeks for Robinson.
47:42I have him on a team script though. You know, like this game was, was absurd.
47:46Sure. Look, you're not going to, I don't think you're ever going to have a lower value than for Bijan Robinson.
47:52If you want to get Bijan Robinson, this is the time to get, I hope so.
47:57Um, they are a team that actually has, I would say like a mid pack schedule for running backs.
48:02And he's just someone I named, but I would say all the Jaguars I'm looking to trade for.
48:07I love the idea. And I've come around hard on this one, Jacob of trading for Coleman from the Broncos.
48:13I think he's going to have a super fun stretch run.
48:16Their schedule gets super easy rest of the way, uh, for running backs at least.
48:20And in addition to it just being super easy for running backs, I mean, just some of the matchups they have from
48:27a running back standpoint, the Panthers, the Raiders, the Dolphins, all teams that are bad against running backs.
48:32The Raiders, again, the bills who have not been good against running backs, and that's in week 15, 16 of your fantasy
48:38playoffs with Harvey on IR Coleman clearly looking like the best back by far in that offense.
48:43Shout out to Jacob for seeing the talent that I may have missed with him.
48:47Love what I've seen at the NFL level so far.
48:50Think Coleman and tootin are two of the best buys you can make at the running back position moving forward.
48:56All right. I think Chase Brown's a good buy low.
48:59I mean, I don't get a 30 ish yard touchdown catch called back on yesterday.
49:03The catch the week before he got stopped at the two yard line and then much PR Ryan.
49:08He was there's not there's hardly any Samajan. That's the thing like any PR Ryan is too much PR Ryan.
49:14There's going to always going to be some there's always going to be some PR Ryan.
49:18He's their third down back. There's red zone PR Ryan to that.
49:22You know, look, I don't know what happened with that one yard touchdown run in week seven.
49:27I know that later in the game talked about on this show.
49:30There was a three three play sequence first and goal from the six handoff to Chase Brown four yard gain.
49:36He's in on the next two plays. They happen to be pass plays.
49:39This guy has one touchdown in seven games at a buy one touchdown in seven games.
49:44And the thing is I'm buying low. Are my expectations lower for Chase Brown?
49:48Of course, I don't think he's going to win your league.
49:51I don't think he's going to average 20 fantasy points per game like he's done as a starter with Joe Burrow all that stuff.
49:58I think he's going to average like 16 points per game be basically a must start guy.
50:03He's got one touchdown. He's still dominating touches. This offense is is humming a little bit here and it's going to be through the passing game for him.
50:11That's what we want. We want those catches like a better version of Ashton Gentty.
50:15Okay, Washington. I think is a great by low and I think buying high.
50:19I mean, I'm not sure how many by lows there are but buying high I'm into so yeah, like Bejal Tootin and those guys.
50:26I like your list. It's super flex. I like buying low or lower whatever you want to call it on Darnold.
50:32I think he's going to have a very nice stretch run with really easy matchups coming up.
50:37So you could even throw a buy high if you can kind of throw like a Bejal into a jet to get
50:43JSN type of deal because I think that's going to be a really strong connection on stretch run just given their matchups.
50:49Panthers Eagles Giants Cowboys as four of them down the final and the final weeks except Rams is the only difficult one in week 16.
50:56But if Jadarian Price is active tonight, I am going to drop in a super flex league.
51:01I am probably going to drop Emmanuel Wilson for drew lock because Sam Darnold if he struggles tonight and throws two more interceptions.
51:08I think they should maybe bench you're crazy. Why does everybody keep saying this?
51:12This guy talking about Sam Darnold has been garbage this year.
51:15Are you kidding? He's got eight interceptions in six games, five, five.
51:18They're going to bench Sam Darnold. It they are going to start calling for it if he struggles tonight and they lose.
51:25This would be let's say he throws two interceptions tonight.
51:28That would be his fourth game with two interceptions.
51:30This is one of the most outrageous takes you've ever had on you, man.
51:34They already addressed it a few weeks ago. Someone asked them and he said, no, we're not going to drew lock or whatever.
51:41Like I just won them a Super Bowl. There's almost a zero percent chance they're benching him.
51:46He is playing like crap. I'd be stunned if they benched him.
51:49I think he's gonna have a good game tonight.
51:51But if he doesn't because he's had some really tough games, San Francisco, Denver, Kansas City.
51:56Usually when he has a good matchup, he lights it up.
51:59So I think he's going to be good tonight.
52:02But if he struggles against the Bears and he throws two more interceptions, maybe they don't bench him this week.
52:07But maybe he's one week away from it. Wow.
52:10You can't do it's playing through a torn ass.
52:13Like, I don't know, man. And by the way, like they're not.
52:16What's their record? Four and three. Yeah, there. It's not like they're cruising in first place here.
52:21Right. They can't afford to lose games. You know?
52:23Yeah. I know you think I'm crazy. That's fine.
52:26All right. Mike Campana wants to know if Parker Washington is still a must start.
52:30We've talked about this a lot. I got about six minutes left.
52:34Sorry. I think so based on the schedule express with Jamie.
52:37But yeah, I don't know. He ran 16 routes in this game, you know, and Trevor Lawrence barely through.
52:42I guess if I had a concern is they have some pretty easy games on their schedule and maybe Trevor Lawrence just
52:49won't have to throw Ravens this week. Right. True.
52:51That is a problem. Ravens, Titans, Giants, Titans could be a few blowouts in there, but you never know.
52:57Hmm. Like your Titans are pretty competitive. That is an interesting point though.
53:00Like he's still great, but they're the problem is if they're up by so much.
53:05Hmm. Six of his last nine games. This speaks to what Dan was talking about.
53:09Six of his last nine games. Parker Washington are against teams that are currently 21st or worse against opposing wide receivers.
53:15Right. Um, I don't know. I I'm just not that worried really.
53:18I think at worst, he's going to be an, a wide receiver too.
53:22I'd take him over Jamison Williams, you know, if that, yeah, you guys feel the same way.
53:27Yep. Yeah. I'm not worried. I mean, I've moved a few guys ahead of him, my recipes and rankings, but I still have them quite high.
53:34Um, I think let's just talk about this on Tuesday.
53:37Dan, I prepared some comparisons here. I will say in reference to like the blowouts and stuff, he has a 27% target
53:43per route run rate in one score game. So when the scoreboard is eight or fewer points, um, between the two teams,
53:50he's been targeted on 27% of his routes that drops to 19% when Jacksonville was leading by nine or more points.
53:56It has just kind of been a weird year for him.
53:59I think there, there've been two games. One of them was like, Liam Cohen's amazing.
54:03I don't mean to like disparage Liam Coney. Obviously it knows way more about football than I ever will.
54:08If I lived a hundred lifetime, definitely. I think sometimes, um, gets an idea in his head and like fixates on it.
54:15And we saw that happen in the game where it was like 15 targets or whatever to, uh, Britain Strange at Parker
54:21Washington was literally just like cardio guy, like clear out space for Britain Strange.
54:25Um, does have a very high average route depth.
54:28I mean, it's like, it's over 10. It's been like that all year.
54:31Yeah. So they need, but yeah, outside of those two games, it's been really, really good.
54:36I mean, the two games before this was like a 27%, 23% target share.
54:40Just has two awful games. And one of them was blown deuce.
54:43The other one was, I think just a weirdly I'm calling thing.
54:47Uh, you guys are going to talk more about him.
54:49I'm sure we'll talk more about him on the Wednesday FFT episode.
54:53Cause there are some concerns like spectacular catches that you can't really rely on and the average route depth and the offensive line injuries.
55:00Like I get it, but the guy's really good.
55:02And so the last thing we wanted to talk about were overachievers, you know, just some guys that maybe we haven't really talked about that much.
55:10So I'm just going to go real quicker. I'm gonna say Jordan love is an overachiever, even though he's only QB 10 per game and four point QB.
55:18Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's like 10, 11 and four and six point Jordan love something like that.
55:23Yeah. QB 10 and four QB nine and six.
55:25There we go. Um, but he's leading the league in passing yards.
55:29He's second in yards per game behind Joe burrow.
55:31And the drops are insane. 23 drops leading the NFL for Jordan love eight more than anyone else.
55:37The most drops in the first eight weeks of the season since 2018.
55:40Uh, I'm very high on Jordan love. The schedule same is about to get much harder at new England, Minnesota at the Rams.
55:47Um, you know, so there are good matchups after that, but I don't know.
55:51I feel like he's kind of matchup proof. Like I don't expect him to score 28 points against new England and Minnesota,
55:57whatever, but 22 feels like a floor. I went, he's not running at all.
56:01He's averaging like one rushing yard per game, 1.3.
56:04And that's weird. Cause last year he averaged over 13 rushing yards per game, but I'm really encouraged by Jordan love.
56:10So I don't think he's a sell high. I don't know that he's going to win you your league, but I, uh,
56:16you know, I want him on my team. T Higgins is my other overage.
56:20And also the matchups and pretty strong for Jordan love, right?
56:23Bills dolphins, bears Texans to end are all plus matchups.
56:26T Higgins is a top five receiver per game.
56:28He's second per game in non PPR fourth and half PPR fifth in full PPR.
56:33This one, I don't really buy it. I think if you look at what's going on here, if you take out the
56:39game that Jamar chase left early with an injury, the numbers are not nearly as good.
56:44He had 16 targets in that game. He had 11 catches for 157 yards.
56:48The last two weeks, Joe Burrow has thrown nine touchdowns.
56:50Passes. So I'm going to sum it up and say like, I'm not really looking to sell T Higgins.
56:56After all, he was a top five wide receiver per game two years ago.
57:00So it's certainly within the realm of possibility. I expect him to be more like wide receiver 12, something like that.
57:06But I think you hit a home run with T Higgins.
57:09He's just really solid. He's going to have a great season there.
57:12They throw that they throw enough. Like they're he's, he's awesome.
57:15And then Jalen Warren, I know that's somebody that Jacob really wanted to talk about too.
57:20Yeah. I think that like the profile, it scares me a little bit.
57:24He's played about 60% of the snaps the last two weeks.
57:27He's averaging 5.9 yards per carry this year. He's not going to do that.
57:31His last two games have been against the Saints and the Browns.
57:34Only the Raiders allow more yards per carry to running backs than the Saints and the Browns.
57:39Part of that is they face Jalen Warren, but they've been pretty bad all year.
57:43He's got harder, a hard, not a brutal schedule, but harder coming up.
57:47He's splitting a little bit too much with Rico Dowdle for me.
57:51He's, he's not running as many routes as he did before the Dowdle injury.
57:55So I think you've got to sell like super high on Jalen Warren.
57:58Cause I do think he's going to be really good, but this might be like two straight games with overall, with 17,
58:0518 carries and over a hundred rushing yards. This might be the peak value for Jalen Warren.
58:09Jacob, what do you think? Yeah, I had a tough time when I was doing the rest of the season rankings.
58:15Like what do I do Warren or Henry? Um, and that's kind of where I drew the line.
58:21I saw him above chase Brown. Um, but I do have Henry ahead of him, but Warren's playing so well that that might not be right.
58:28This Pittsburgh offense is playing well. They're run blocking really well.
58:31I think basically Warren's a awesome fantasy player. And I think Rico Dowdle is one of the best stashes you can have at any position.
58:38Like Rico Dowdle is an interesting guy to get thrown into trades.
58:42Um, if something were to happen to Warren, this offense is working pretty well, particularly on, on the ground.
58:47Yeah. And look, just because he hasn't run as many routes or caught as many passes the last two games, no one's
58:53going to be surprised if he has six catches next game, right?
58:57That's just part of Jalen Warren. So you hit a home run with that one too.
59:01I am very sorry guys to cut you off and not let you get to your overachievers.
59:06I have to run. You can keep it going.
59:09You can keep it going if you want. We'll hit him Tuesday.
59:12Yeah, we'll just do this on Tuesday. We've got lots of good stuff here.
59:16Like you bring up to Higgins. We can talk about this in more detail.
59:20Three of his top six career yards in terms of like games and three yards.
59:24Um, three of his top six games have come this year.
59:28T Higgins is really just playing phenomenally. That's the thing.
59:30Like the fantasy points are good. Obviously he's exceeding.
59:33He hasn't even scored touchdowns until this past game.
59:36He had just two touchdowns because freaking Mike is sick.
59:38He scores a touchdown every single week. Yes, he does.
59:41All right. Um, well, thank you all for watching and listening and we appreciate it.
59:45And we will talk to you tomorrow on beyond the box score with Jacob and Dan on fantasy football today with me, Dave and Jamie.
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